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4 [00:01:22] <zerocool> omg dude this is a nightmare
5 [00:01:45] <zerocool> looks like im going to have to use centos
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7 [00:02:21] <annadane> we are no longer friends
8 [00:02:34] <annadane> superslacker, not an extension for it? sorry, no clue about gnome stuff
9 [00:02:40] <zerocool> i want to be your friend though
10 [00:02:43] <zerocool> i dont want centos
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24 [00:06:27] <superslacker> annadane, I will take another look, seems like there was for older versions of gnome (<3.14)
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27 [00:08:01] * annadane knows nothing about centos other than "old packages"
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38 [00:15:48] <Sokomine> sadly no success yet with booting my encrypted system. not even after doing a chroot, installing a new kernel and letting debian do all the work. the initrd system does not detect the encrypted partition
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57 [00:27:13] <zerocool> annadane: its true but then why can't i have `libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster`!!
58 [00:28:07] <zerocool> oh well, i think i found another and maybe better solution anyway... using nfs-ganesha as an nfs gateway to the glusterfs volumes
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60 [00:28:48] <zerocool> nfs-ganesha *is* available from stable repos :)
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62 [00:28:52] <almostdvs> zerocool: what are you trying to do?
63 [00:29:25] <zerocool> almostdvs: i have three kvm/libvirt hypervisors and one active nas, i need the nas which holds the vm disks to be replicated
64 [00:30:07] <zerocool> decided to give gluster, replicated volumes, a go... found gluster volume support in libvirt but only in testing/sid
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66 [00:30:40] <dvs> almostdvs, you'll never catch up!!! :-)
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79 [00:38:59] <michael2> does anyone know how to use msmtp?
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81 [00:40:39] <almostdvs> i don't really understand gluster. what is it zerocool
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85 [00:43:42] <superslacker> annadane, it seems I can use devilspie2 to do this (included in Debian Stretch repo)
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92 [00:46:57] <michael2> how can I list the loaded "accounts" in msmtp?
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109 [00:59:29] <zerocool> almostdvs: it's for like... clustering storage. you can replicate data to a cluster or distribute data across a cluster evenly, or stripe it
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113 [01:00:14] <zerocool> kinda like RAID but instaid of disks it's servers... "redundent array of inexpensive" NAS's
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116 [01:00:19] <zerocool> instead*
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154 [01:25:41] <acu> hello guys - I am trying to connect to a windows machine RDP - and I get kicked out after a split second- tried remmina and others, - is any tutorial about that ?
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163 [01:31:21] <Akuw> hi how can i run X11 remote
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166 [01:31:30] <Akuw> i configured ssd_conf
167 [01:31:45] <Akuw> but i got Can't open display
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181 [01:34:52] <klys> akuw, ps waux | grep X and make sure the Xorg command line has -listen tcp
182 [01:35:32] <klys> akuw, and if it doesn't, edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
183 [01:35:56] <klys> akuw, and if it does, use DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 xhost +
184 [01:36:27] <klys> akuw, and then it should work if you specify the right DISPLAY
185 [01:36:43] <Brigo> Akuw, connect with ssh -X
186 [01:36:50] <klys> akuw, if not, you may need an entry for your remote ip in /etc/hosts.allow
187 [01:36:52] <Akuw> wait please
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191 [01:39:18] <Akuw> to start x11 from remote x11 should be running in server, i mean GUI should be running?
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193 [01:40:18] <Brigo> Akuw, yes
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204 [01:47:08] <RoyK> klys: no need to xhost + if you're using ssh
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207 [01:48:50] <RoyK> klys: and btw, hosts.allow etc are long gone for most systems
208 [01:50:17] <RoyK> klys: tcpwrappers went out of style some 10 years ago - some still use them, though
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245 [02:17:59] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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248 [02:18:37] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to debug a connection. To do that I ran a netcat udp "server" using: "nc -u -l 2399"
249 [02:18:51] <tobiasBora> and in parallel I ran "nc -u localhost 2399"
250 [02:19:14] <tobiasBora> however this second connection closes immediately, so I can't even try to type anything
251 [02:19:18] <tobiasBora> any idea why?
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255 [02:21:40] <tobiasBora> (I also try as a server command nc -l -p 2399, same problem)
256 [02:23:17] <tobiasBora> (note that in tcp, I've the same problem, except that I can use telnet to do the connection instead)
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261 [02:26:37] <tobiasBora> whooo really strange, the exact same command on my laptop is not the same as in the raspberry...
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271 [02:32:42] <Brigo> tobiasBora, use a sniffer
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273 [02:32:56] <Brigo> maybe there is some kind of firewall there.
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280 [02:34:36] <bites> tobiasBora: netcat tries to use ipv6 for some reason. try nc -4u localhost 2399
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283 [02:35:30] <Dagger> ...UDP should work fine over v6 though
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285 [02:36:01] <bites> but the first command only listens on v4
286 [02:36:41] <Dagger> so it does. WTF, nc?
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289 [02:37:04] <bites> it's a weird inconsistency.
290 [02:37:15] <mnuhmnuh> nc: invalid option -- '4'
291 [02:37:25] <tobiasBora> Strance, invalid option -- '4' also
292 [02:37:26] <Dagger> with no bind address specified, it really should be listening on ::
293 [02:37:28] <rant> something I have always wondered, what do these file managers do when you tell them to "eject" a USB storage.. how would you do the same on command line and can you get the device "back" wihout unplugging it and plugging it back in?
294 [02:38:00] <tobiasBora> Dagger: I know the problem is not from the server, because I use the same server when I access from my laptop
295 [02:39:09] <bites> there are two versions of netcat. -openbsd and -traditional. i'm using the openbsd version.
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297 [02:40:21] <bites> hmm... which you seem to also use. which version of debian are you using?
298 [02:40:28] <rant> cause near as I can tell when I do "eject" the device is as good as unplugged and kernel doesnt see it and can't mount it anymore
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301 [02:41:17] <mnuhmnuh> rant: assuming it doesn't show up in df, you should be at 0.
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304 [02:42:11] <rant> idk what you're talking about.. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly file managers do to "eject" a device and can it be done or undone via the commandline
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309 [02:42:56] <bites> tobiasBora: what's the first line of nc -h ?
310 [02:43:00] <rant> cause obviously it doesnt actually unplug a thumbdrive but makes it so I gotta go unplug it and plug it back in to use it.. I can't just mount it anymore
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315 [02:43:59] <rant> which is real annoying when you're working remotely and such
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318 [02:45:04] <kion> I just had a bunch of updates ready to go, but when I sudo apt upgraded i got this!
319 [02:45:06] <kion> The following packages have been kept back:
320 [02:45:07] <kion> libcuda1 libegl-nvidia0 libegl1-glvnd-nvidia libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx libgles-nvidia1 libgles-nvidia2 libgles1-glvnd-nvidia libgles2-glvnd-nvidia libglx-nvidia0 libglx0-glvnd-nvidia
321 [02:45:07] <kion> libnvcuvid1 libnvidia-cfg1 libnvidia-compiler libnvidia-eglcore libnvidia-fatbinaryloader libnvidia-glcore libnvidia-ml1 libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia nvidia-alternative nvidia-driver nvidia-driver-bin
322 [02:45:07] <kion> nvidia-driver-libs nvidia-egl-icd nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-support nvidia-opencl-icd nvidia-smi nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-vulkan-icd xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
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327 [02:46:38] <tobiasBora> bites: On my debian laptop, where the command works, it's "[v1.10-41.1]", but on my rasp it's "GNU netcat 0.7.1, a rewrite of the famous networking tool."
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329 [02:46:54] <tobiasBora> But no worries, I'll see directly with the people from the rasp distro
330 [02:47:07] <tobiasBora> I'm suspecting a problem in the compilation of nc
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332 [02:48:36] <bites> then please don't waste our time next time if can't reproduce the problem on debian.
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334 [02:53:17] <Sokomine> still no success regarding booting from my crypted root partition :-( i get "cryptsetup (root): lvm is not available". i'm not using lvm. just unencrypted /boot plus encrypted /root partition
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344 [03:00:52] <brieweb> I tried installing a guest using Xen-tools and what used to work now doesn't work
345 [03:01:02] <brieweb> the host installs, but it will not boot
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358 [03:10:54] <kion> after a sudo apt upgrade I got:
359 [03:10:56] <kion> replaced-url
360 [03:11:06] <kion> any ideas why?
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368 [03:14:20] <dvs> kion, because those packages will be installed (as opposed to upgraded)
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370 [03:15:39] <kion> dvs, ok so how do I get them to be installed?
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372 [03:16:03] <dvs> kion, sudo apt full-upgrade
373 [03:16:20] <kion> dvs, thanks ok so here I go!
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376 [03:18:55] <kion> dvs, wow thanks that was it! Can you please explain to my enlightment, why was that? why they needed to be installed as opposed to upgraded?
377 [03:19:45] <dvs> kion, "apt upgrade" will only update already installed packages. It will not install or remove packages.
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380 [03:21:21] <kion> dvs, why did new packages needed to be installed?
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384 [03:22:10] <dvs> kion, because new versions of already installed packages needed new packages?
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387 [03:23:08] <kion> dvs, Ok got it!
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405 [03:54:52] <brieweb> anyone using Xen and xen-tools?
406 [03:55:05] <brieweb> my guest creation does not seem to work
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408 [03:55:16] <brieweb> previously create guests boot, so I am baffled
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410 [03:55:23] <brieweb> created guests
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415 [03:57:53] <mnuhmnuh> brieweb: jounalctl -b 0
416 [03:58:16] <mnuhmnuh> brieweb: journalctl -b 0
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536 [05:56:51] <pantato> so the current debian-live-xfce-nonfree *does not* come with gparted? what am I to use instead to make my usb drive persistent?
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538 [06:02:39] <rabbitear_sdf> parted ?
539 [06:02:45] <rabbitear_sdf> without the g
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541 [06:04:46] <Hooloovo0> last I checked, you could always install things with apt on live installs
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544 [06:06:31] <zentris> I'm trying to make a debian wiki account so I can submit a wallpaper/theme for the buster art proposal, however getting "Account creation failed: To prevent spam"
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550 [06:07:27] <zentris> I'm using a website I own as the email, and the website name as the FirstLastname since I want to remain anonymous, is that allowed?
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552 [06:08:59] <sleepyhead> zentris: i doubt that has anything to do with it. find out who's in charge of that wiki and make a request to them directly.
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555 [06:10:28] <zentris> sleepyhead: yeah I will be doing that, thanks
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569 [06:27:57] <zentris> I'm making a proposal for debian buster, this is my current direction with a simple wallpaper, thoughts? replaced-url
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571 [06:32:50] <epicmetal> zentris: IMHO the waves feel dated
572 [06:33:20] <epicmetal> zentris: have you considered simply removing them and having just the colour gradient and logo
573 [06:33:37] <zentris> yeah that's possible as well, thanks for the suggestion
574 [06:33:55] <epicmetal> NP
575 [06:34:23] <zentris> do you have any examples of modern vector based designs for wallpapers?
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577 [06:34:38] <zentris> I'd like to make a very good proposal for buster
578 [06:35:40] <epicmetal> Not really. I tend to browse toplist on wallhaven and use whatever speaks to me at the time. I tend to go for things that feel illustrated and not too busy.
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584 [06:39:02] <zentris> Seems like most modern OSes use photographs now
585 [06:39:30] <zentris> well anyways I've email wiki, hopefully I can make an account soon to start submiting some ideas/work
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593 [06:57:34] <rant> ok, I was proceeding to do a chroot (cross) install of Stretch from Stretch.. I just partitioned sdc with a 200mb ext4 for boot, and lukFormatted the remaining 300G or so and made an ext4 on there for the rootfs, I mounted the target-crypt-root on /mnt and then did mkdir /mnt/boot and then tried to mount -o bind /dev/sdc1 /mnt/boot and it says /mnt/boot is not a directory.. wtf? heh
594 [06:58:14] <rant> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 16 00:54 boot
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596 [06:58:30] <rant> (output of ls -l /mnt)
597 [06:59:10] <rant> am I missing something here? I don't understand why its saying this
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601 [07:00:20] <rant> oh wait, I think its because I didn't mount /dev/sdc1 which means the error is wrong
602 [07:00:32] <rant> mount: mount(2) failed: /mnt/boot: Not a directory
603 [07:00:42] <rant> is not the right error
604 [07:01:11] <rant> what it MEANS is /dev/sdc1 is not a directory :P
605 [07:01:39] <rant> idk what I was thinking, I dont even need a bind here
606 [07:02:01] <rant> I wonder if I should file a bug on that one
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615 [07:10:36] <rant> I guess there is nobody here but the crickets but I think thats a bug if the error is not correct.
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659 [07:45:08] <jak2000> my file system is on reaonly
660 [07:45:22] <jak2000> i erstarted and restarted and continue same, how to do a fsck ?
661 [07:46:06] <rant> fsck /dev/sda1
662 [07:46:14] <rant> or whatever the device node of the fs is
663 [07:46:51] <rant> jak2000: you could use df to determine the correct device node
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665 [07:47:31] <rant> eg: /dev/sda1 7634872 7341356 277132 97% /
666 [07:47:52] <jak2000> ok
667 [07:47:54] <jak2000> sda2
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670 [07:50:06] <rant> if the fsck completes successfully you can just remount the fs
671 [07:50:12] <rant> mount -o remount,rw /
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675 [07:53:32] <jak2000> done, thanks
676 [07:54:14] <rant> no problem.
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865 [09:52:31] <selroc> Hello, I am trying to register a new account on replaced-url
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867 [09:52:54] <pantato> I would like to create a usb stick that has debian on it with a fully persistent file system. I've looked at some guides and they seem outdated. I can't seem to create a partition on top of the iso/hybrid scenario.
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869 [09:53:07] <annadane> selroc, debian moved to salsa.debian.org
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873 [09:55:29] <selroc> thank you , so where should I register on salsa ?
874 [09:56:59] <annadane> replaced-url
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962 [11:05:00] <lol-md5> why is the latest version of ca-certificates 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1? isn't that wildly out of date?
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971 [11:08:52] <rant> pantato: just insall normally with a usb stick as the hdd
972 [11:09:18] <rant> its that simple
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982 [11:18:13] <Antares> replaced-url
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994 [11:24:03] <petn-randall> ,v ca-certificates
995 [11:24:04] <judd> Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 20130119+deb7u3; jessie: 20141019+deb8u3; stretch: 20161130+nmu1; buster: 20170717; sid: 20180409
996 [11:24:35] <petn-randall> lol-md5: "wildly out of date" for doing what?
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998 [11:25:21] <lol-md5> for connecting to websites with some semblance of verification of trust
999 [11:25:38] <lol-md5> …
1000 [11:25:41] <lol-md5> isn't that obvious
1001 [11:25:52] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Are they though? Did you get any errors?
1002 [11:26:04] <lol-md5> not yet…
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1004 [11:26:17] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Because CA certificates have a rollover measured in decades.
1005 [11:26:21] <lol-md5> and, connecting to a site you shouldn't have, isn't an error either
1006 [11:26:27] <lol-md5> in 2 years we could have another startcom
1007 [11:26:38] <lol-md5> given how rarely this seems to be updated, that seems feasible
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1010 [11:27:03] <lol-md5> stretch isn't really supported if the CAs aren't updated
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1012 [11:27:13] <lol-md5> this is the point of a distro. i shouldn't have to do this myself
1013 [11:27:19] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
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1016 [11:28:02] <lol-md5> petn-randall your word against mine
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1018 [11:29:23] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Well, have you seen a certificate error on stable due to "wildly out of date" ca-certificates? If not, you might be making assumptions about a subject you have little understanding about.
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1021 [11:30:40] <lol-md5> startcom went defunct in 2018 due to trust issues
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1023 [11:31:04] <lol-md5> it is an error to trust any site whose cert is signed by startcom
1024 [11:31:21] <lol-md5> 9's latest version predates 2018
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1026 [11:31:35] <petn-randall> 2018? You might be a little old on that info.
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1028 [11:31:46] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Have you read the changelog of that package yet?
1029 [11:32:25] <petn-randall> lol-md5: You might want to do that before we continue discussing.
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1031 [11:32:42] <lol-md5> ok
1032 [11:32:56] <nylonstrap> hi people. I am trying to move a lot of files from an ext4 partition to an ext2 partition on the same disk. Is it possible to mount both partitions or something?
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1034 [11:33:30] <HappyLoaf> nylonstrap, I usually just make two folders in /tmp/
1035 [11:33:34] <HappyLoaf> Like /tmp/hdd1 /tmp/hdd2
1036 [11:33:44] <HappyLoaf> Then mount each partition on each location
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1038 [11:34:00] <blackflow> lol-md5: 2018-07-07, "Add StartCom and WoSign certificates to mozilla/blacklist.txt..." is what petn-randall is trying to say here
1039 [11:34:07] <HappyLoaf> mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/hdd1
1040 [11:34:07] <petn-randall> I would do it in /mnt/, because /tmp is world-writeable, but apart from that I'd do that.
1041 [11:34:14] <nylonstrap> Oh ok, i was not sure that you could mount two times from one disk :)
1042 [11:34:18] <HappyLoaf> Good point
1043 [11:34:34] <blackflow> lol-md5: actually, it was back in may, I read the timestamp for the entry above.
1044 [11:34:48] <lol-md5> yep i see it now
1045 [11:34:51] <lol-md5> i'm v sorry
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1048 [11:35:03] <lol-md5> why is it called 20161130?
1049 [11:35:15] <nylonstrap> thanks HappyLoaf
1050 [11:35:16] <petn-randall> blackflow: 19 May 2017, though
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1053 [11:36:08] <themill> lol-md5: because that's the version from stretch on top of which these changes are built. (and it's not called that, it's called 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1)
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1056 [11:37:12] <themill> ,v libxen-4.8 --release stretch
1057 [11:37:13] <judd> Package: libxen-4.8 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.8.3+comet2+shim4.10.0+comet3-1+deb9u5
1058 [11:37:17] <themill> (for more confusion)
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1060 [11:37:52] <lol-md5> wew
1061 [11:38:02] <petn-randall> themill: Some devs surely are scared of using an epoch ;)
1062 [11:38:19] <themill> petn-randall: that was a stretch-update actually
1063 [11:38:37] <blackflow> petn-randall: yah, was reading timestamp for the entry above it
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1086 [11:56:00] <fredl-pc> Any idea why Apache2 is statically linked against libopenssl?
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1090 [11:57:56] <Haohmaru> grandma, y r ur teeth so big
1091 [11:58:15] <apollo13> :D
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1093 [11:58:35] <fredl-pc> ldd /usr/sbin/apache2 ?
1094 [11:58:46] <fredl-pc> No manual installation apollo13 :)
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1096 [11:59:35] <apollo13> fredl-pc: what do you think that ldd tells you?
1097 [11:59:43] <Haohmaru> could it be maybe for security reasons?
1098 [11:59:54] <fredl-pc> shared object dependencies maybe?
1099 [11:59:58] <apollo13> Haohmaru: no, I think fredl-pc does draw wrong conclusions
1100 [12:00:10] <apollo13> fredl-pc: maybe? so what makes you say libopenssl is linked statically
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1103 [12:00:32] <fredl-pc> because it's not listed in the output of ldd as a shared object dependency
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1106 [12:00:50] <apollo13> fredl-pc: that is the wrong conclusion
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1108 [12:01:01] <apollo13> mod_ssl is yet another loadable module which apache dynamically loads
1109 [12:01:03] <fredl-pc> At best it's an incomplete conclusion
1110 [12:01:04] <Haohmaru> wait, what if it dynamically decides to load it or not
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1112 [12:01:14] <apollo13> so it will __never__ show ssl there
1113 [12:01:17] <fredl-pc> yes, hence incomplete.
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1115 [12:01:36] <fredl-pc> Not wrong, the world has grey shades, not just black and white :P
1116 [12:01:41] <apollo13> *shrug*
1117 [12:02:02] <apollo13> drawing conclusions just because some information isn't there is imo dangerous, but hey…
1118 [12:03:15] <apollo13> fredl-pc: fwiw; the better question imo opinion would have been: "could it be that apache in debian statically links libopenssl", cause your question indicates that you verified that it does staically link openssl ;)
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1124 [12:03:57] <fredl-pc> mod_ssl.so indeed links libssl
1125 [12:04:14] <apollo13> I'd hope so :)
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1129 [12:04:27] <annadane> re certificates... /me trusts the debian stable people to know what they're doing
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1179 [12:46:26] <lmw> Hi! Is it possible to run Debian Sid while keeping the stable kernel?
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1182 [12:48:08] <Haohmaru> i think you can just install a kernel with specific version..
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1184 [12:49:42] <p0g0_> lmw: that's likely undefined, and I'd guess that there are times when the answer is no.
1185 [12:50:05] <p0g0_> Sid is where bleeding edge things happen, and sometimes those are about a new kernel.
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1187 [12:51:42] <themill> lmw: yes, that should work fine
1188 [12:52:13] <lmw> Some say yes, some say no, … what now?
1189 [12:52:28] <p0g0_> themill is a more adept agent here.
1190 [12:52:28] <themill> well, I know I'm right... but try it and see.
1191 [12:52:33] <themill> ;)
1192 [12:52:52] <lmw> Okay, I will try. Thanks! :)
1193 [12:52:56] <themill> One of the questions would be why you want to do that.
1194 [12:53:12] <lmw> Just experimenting :D
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1196 [12:54:02] <themill> If you go to a sufficiently old kernel then some things will not work, but stable kernel/unstable are pretty much always guaranteed to be OK, otherwise we wouldn't be able to build software or do upgrades
1197 [12:54:34] <p0g0_> That's more my sense, that libraries would get stale.
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1204 [12:57:23] <jake_> Hello all. I am running Debian [stretch] with Gnome. When I close the laptop lid, it suspends/logs me out and stops sending a display to my 2 external monitors. I have set in the Tweaks, under [power], to not suspend on lid close. It doesn't seem to have had any effect. How can I close the lid and have it continue to display on my external monitors?
1205 [12:57:28] <Xsisec> Hello guys I am dualboting with windows 10 and debian, suddendly after I have opened the ext4 file system from windows with a shitty tool, suddenly then when I start my debian it get into emergency mode. It feels like its about the mount/unmount thing_ now I am here from a debian live with usb. could someone please help me out?
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1213 [13:00:19] <Xsisec> this is how my disks looks like inside qparted --> replaced-url
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1221 [13:03:16] <Haohmaru> this won't help you, but i wouldn't let windows touch the linux
1222 [13:03:33] <Xsisec> I understood that from now..
1223 [13:04:41] <Haohmaru> if no one has better ideas, and if you've not found anything useful on the internet based on the errors you're getting - i'd suggest you backup anything important that you got on the linux, and reinstall it *shrug*
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1227 [13:08:13] <p0g0_> Xsisec: did Windows bust your linux filesystem? With that USB boot, you should (might) be able to use the Debian Install CD Rescue mode to repair the file system.
1228 [13:08:43] <jake___> Ok now Gnome just crashed when I logon with both monitors attached
1229 [13:08:46] <p0g0_> Depending on your setup, you may be able to make that repair in other ways too.
1230 [13:09:09] <p0g0_> eh, he left
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1259 [13:36:23] <jackassboi> hello!
1260 [13:36:53] <jackassboi> I'm trying to setup a client-server application
1261 [13:37:08] <jackassboi> the client reads a file and sends it to the server with a socket
1262 [13:37:09] <jackassboi> but
1263 [13:37:15] <jackassboi> the socket returns broken pipe
1264 [13:37:21] <jackassboi> I've tried everything
1265 [13:37:33] <jackassboi> is it possible to be a configuration in debian that's doing this?
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1269 [13:38:55] <blackflow> jackassboi: "sends it to the server with a socket"? care to elaborate on this? what does the application listening on that socket do? and this is maybe not debian specfic at all, but network programming in general.
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1271 [13:39:47] <jackassboi> oh sorry, well the application listening just reads the raw bytes and stores it back into a file in it's own directory
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1273 [13:40:03] <jackassboi> basically just transfering the file with raw bytes
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1275 [13:40:38] <jackassboi> I've tried the same code on windows and android and it works
1276 [13:40:56] <jackassboi> and my guess is that a configuration in debian is doing something, but I'm not sure
1277 [13:40:56] <blackflow> jackassboi: which programming language is used? perhaps ask in a channel relevant to it.
1278 [13:41:00] <jackassboi> Java
1279 [13:41:18] <blackflow> I'm pretty sure this is not something specific to debian as a distro.
1280 [13:42:05] <jackassboi> but why does it work on those other platforms?
1281 [13:42:13] <blackflow> also, "broken pipe" implies there's multiprocessing involved and one side of the pipe connecting the processes closed.... I think #java here on Freenode can be more helpful.
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1286 [13:42:57] <jackassboi> Cannot join #java (Channel is invite only)
1287 [13:43:01] <jackassboi> when I try to join
1288 [13:43:03] <jackassboi> damn
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1292 [13:43:29] <blackflow> jackassboi: are you registered with nickserv?
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1294 [13:43:41] <jackassboi> no
1295 [13:43:48] <jackassboi> i'll do it now
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1297 [13:43:55] <blackflow> yeah, the channel is +r
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1302 [13:45:33] <jackassboi> thanks anyway!
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1330 [14:05:12] <Haohmaru> well that's interesting.. i got this scope connected to the computer (via USB), when i switched on the scope - the debian got out of suspend o_O
1331 [14:06:18] <Something1> Maybe it gets out of suspend with any USB activity
1332 [14:06:42] <Haohmaru> no, cuz both the mouse and keyboard are on USB, and i can't wake it up with those
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1334 [14:06:51] <Haohmaru> it only responds to pressing the power button
1335 [14:07:16] <oerheks> maybe the button on that scope acts like a power button trigger too
1336 [14:07:19] <Haohmaru> when it's in suspend - i think it shuts off the power on the USB
1337 [14:08:33] <Haohmaru> btw, the scope has also a USB-A (host) port, i think it's for usb mass storage, it's possible that the scope can appear as either a composite device and/or a USB hub or something weird like that
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1453 [15:48:27] <carp_> Hi, when I do apt-get upgrade it says The following packages have been held back: linux-headers-686-pae linux-image-686-pae
1454 [15:48:39] <carp_> Is this normal, something I need to worry about perhaps?
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1473 [15:57:08] <petn-randall> carp_: `apt-get dist-upgrade` will install them. By default `apt-get upgrade` won't take any action that would result in any packages getting removed or installed.
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1482 [16:02:18] <carp_> petn-randall: Ah i see that a new version of debian has been released 2 days ago, yes that must be it. Thankyou
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1537 [16:29:49] <petn-randall> carp_: You mean the point release?
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1539 [16:30:26] <zentris> Who is in charge of the debian wiki, in regards to account creation?
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1542 [16:30:47] *** greycat changes topic to 'Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.5 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.10 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
1543 [16:30:53] <greycat> (9.4 -> 9.5)
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1545 [16:31:41] <zentris> I worked on some ideas in regards to a new theme proposal for Debian Buster last night. I was wondering if I can get an opinion from anyone here.
1546 [16:31:57] <zentris> Here are 4 samples of some ideas, which one do you like best: replaced-url
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1548 [16:32:36] <petn-randall> zentris: Looks good! Let me find the docs about theming proposals for buster ...
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1550 [16:33:01] <petn-randall> zentris: replaced-url
1551 [16:33:19] <zentris> I've seen the docs, the issue is that I want to post a theme on the wiki on behalf of my website/business versus my own identity
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1553 [16:33:28] <zentris> and I cannot seem to make an account
1554 [16:33:38] <annadane> i do like those designs. :)
1555 [16:33:52] <zentris> I've emailed the email provided in the error msg
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1557 [16:34:05] <annadane> can also try #debian-replaced-url
1558 [16:34:14] <niggger> annadane: hello
1559 [16:34:19] <niggger> are you a fart?
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1562 [16:34:33] <niggger> omg wtf how am i so funny?
1563 [16:34:34] <zentris> alright, might just wait for an email response
1564 [16:34:38] <niggger> hi greycat
1565 [16:34:42] <niggger> do you like me?
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1569 [16:35:07] <zentris> yeah I was wondering why someone with a name like that...
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1579 [16:40:20] <carp_> petn-randall: Yeah Ive now 'dist-upgrade' and installed the point release and its all up to date again. Didnt even have to close my browser or anything, debian is amazing :)
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1581 [16:40:40] <annadane> well for kernels you probably have to rebot
1582 [16:40:41] <annadane> reboot
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1591 [16:45:51] <SerajewelKS> carp_: yeah, what annadane said. for kernel or some systemd upgrades, you need to reboot. also, see checkrestart in the debian-goodies package, which will tell you what programs you need to restart if you aren't going to or don't have to reboot.
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1612 [16:55:32] <asyd> morning folks. I have an issue with nvidia driver on debian sid since 390.67 upgrade (and it's not slab_common.usercopy_fallback=y). Xorg start but complains with "Failed to initialize the GLX module;" so all 3d softwares are not working
1613 [16:55:44] <greycat> !debian-next
1614 [16:55:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1615 [16:55:59] <asyd> my bad
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1630 [17:06:34] <carp_> SerajewelKS: Yeah, I turn this machine off every day too, just a personal home computer.
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1637 [17:08:25] <carp_> Something that is strange though is that when I turn the computer on, the fan on the back of the case spins up, but then after 10 seconds it stops and tells me there is a problem with the fan, and asks me to press F1 to continue.
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1642 [17:09:51] <carp_> Currently I have the side panel off and a big desk fan blasting into the machine haha
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1647 [17:12:04] <annadane> i'm not the biggest fan of this idea
1648 [17:12:39] <petn-randall> carp_: Sounds like a hardware issue (which is out of scope for #debian).
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1650 [17:12:55] <annadane> ##hardware
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1652 [17:13:13] <carp_> righto, thanks.
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1657 [17:16:12] <blackflow> annadane: badum-tss?
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1681 [17:32:07] <lizardlarry> any suggestions on how to unblock a hardblock. I ran rfkill
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1685 [17:33:29] <Brigo> lizardlarry, usually there is a button for that
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1688 [17:34:53] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: "hardblock" usually means that there's a physical switch you need to flip.
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1694 [17:39:35] <lizardlarry> when I toggle the f12 on my keyboard (the airplane mode in the original windows system) the softblock goes on and off but no the hardblock
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1697 [17:40:10] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: No physical switch on the sides somewhere?
1698 [17:40:10] <msl09> Idk if I should ask here or on kde channel but using stretch the behaviour "tray icons"/"notificaiton area" is very strange
1699 [17:40:28] <msl09> some you click some application and it doesn't open when it was supposed to or when you right click it, it doesn't open the menu (when it exists)
1700 [17:40:36] <Raybih> Interpretatio Christiana
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1704 [17:42:48] <petn-randall> Raybih: wrong channel?
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1708 [17:43:59] <ksk> rather spamming.
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1711 [17:45:43] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall not that i know of. I am using a standard hp sleekbook.
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1714 [17:47:42] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: Seems to be a common problem on Windows, too. I don't know how to fix that.
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1718 [17:52:27] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall I added this scrip blacklist hp_wmi but that didnt work. I am thinking of uninstalling the wifi driver but I do not know how to do this.
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1723 [17:56:02] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall to be more clear the script was 'blacklist hp_wmi' in the /etc/modprob.d
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1743 [18:01:25] <Sokomine> hi. no progress regarding booting my encrypted partition :-( the initrd/initramfs doesn't seem to discover any devices at all. no /dev/sda1, no /dev/disk-by-label/ ...what am i doing wrong?
1744 [18:02:01] <ksk> Sokomine: if you use lvm, did you start it?
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1746 [18:02:21] <ksk> mhm nvm, you should have some devs then still
1747 [18:02:26] <Sokomine> there's complaint at the start about lvm not beeing available; however, i don't use lvm
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1754 [18:04:01] <Sokomine> i can manually mount the root fs (form my current system) through the usual losetup /dev/loop1 /dev/sdb2; cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop1 croot; mount -o rw -o noatime /dev/mapper/croot /somewhere
1755 [18:04:15] <Sokomine> the boot partition is not encrypted
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1757 [18:05:11] <Sokomine> the devices somehow really don't show up in the initramfs. i wonder why
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1762 [18:05:43] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: How is that related to your problem?
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1767 [18:08:37] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall I read it on a forum. I dont exactly how it would be. Some people said that the hp_wmi was the cause of the hardblock for them.
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1770 [18:09:37] <annadane> can anyone with double commander tell me if there's an option in stretch for keyboard shortcuts for switching between left and right pane? it's there in sid and i can't seem to find it in stretch
1771 [18:10:20] <annadane> or, well, i guess i can see what the sid version of it uses for that and create it in this one
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1774 [18:11:53] <annadane> or better idea, search the internet for the syntax
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1776 [18:12:40] <annadane> oh. ok. it's literally just tab. and it's there by default.
1777 [18:12:45] <annadane> i'm going to go crawl into a hole and die.
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1779 [18:13:37] <Sokomine> annadane: no worry. but it's fine that you found the right shortcut and where able to solve your problem
1780 [18:14:27] <lizardlarry> @annadane relax dude. No one knows who you are, plus ELE.
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1790 [18:17:57] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall do you think uninstalling the wifi module then reinstall could help?
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1792 [18:18:59] <annadane> some irc clients don't notify with @
1793 [18:19:03] <annadane> just say the person's name
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1802 [18:22:56] <lizardlarry> annadane like this :)
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1804 [18:23:25] <petn-randall> Yes, this isn't twitter, nor Perl. ;)
1805 [18:23:25] <annadane> ok but now, like, actually highlight the person you're asking a question to
1806 [18:23:31] <annadane> oh. he's here. never mind.
1807 [18:24:24] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: If you added that, you'd need to reboot and then check with `lsmod | grep hp_wmi` that the module did not get loaded.
1808 [18:24:31] <annadane> your irc client can probably do tab completion. type the first few letters and tab
1809 [18:25:03] <annadane> and yes i'm aware of the irony of not being able to find tab in double commander and advising someone to use t... never mind
1810 [18:25:22] <lizardlarry> petn-randall: I can the command nothing came up
1811 [18:25:37] <lizardlarry> annadane I dont got tab completion
1812 [18:25:42] <annadane> tragedy.
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1825 [18:30:20] <lizardlarry> petn-randall thanks for your help. Dont know where to go from here but I'll keep trying
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1831 [18:32:52] <jhutchins_wk> Did we already determine which driver is the correct one using the pciid of the chipset?
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1862 [18:54:02] <NetTerminalGene> i heard apt is way superior than rpm package system. bot can install softwares without problem. did i miss something?
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1865 [18:57:05] <greycat> dpkg, forget your not... why,.
1866 [18:57:05] <dpkg> i didn't have anything called 'your not... why,.' to forget, greycat
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1868 [18:57:27] <greycat> dpkg, forget your not... why,
1869 [18:57:29] <dpkg> i forgot your not... why,, greycat
1870 [18:58:50] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, i'm assuming bot = both, otherwise i don't understand the question
1871 [18:59:39] <NetTerminalGene> yeah both.
1872 [19:00:17] <mnuhmnuh> NetTerminalGene: they both work. rh makes piles of cash every day with theirs.
1873 [19:00:44] <blackflow> also, to compare apples with apples, rpm compares to deb. apt compares to yum or dnf.
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1878 [19:03:47] <greycat> replaced-url
1879 [19:03:48] <mnuhmnuh> suse still uses rpm too, yes?
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1881 [19:04:52] <greycat> The one thing I'm not seeing on the page, which is a HUUUUUGE issue in #bash, is the actual structure of the .rpm file *names*. .rpm files just hyphens between the pacakge name and version, but hyphens are allowed INSIDE a package name too, so it's hard to parse the file name.
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1888 [19:06:39] <greycat> whereas .deb file names use _ between package name and version and architecture, and _ is NOT allowed inside a package name, version, or architecture. Almost like someone had a brain.
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1890 [19:07:03] <Sokomine> any ideas why my encrypted root won't boot? even ran dpkg-reconfigure kernel-package-name in chroot
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1893 [19:07:53] <jhutchins_wk> There's a big difference in how the repos are managed as well, an RPM repo will contain EVERY version of a package released for a distro, so for something like RHEL5 that's been out for several years, the repo is HUGE.
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1895 [19:08:29] <jhutchins_wk> I believe rpm also stores more metadata about installed packages (but I'm not positive about that).
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1897 [19:09:20] <annadane> you install rpm's in debian via the alien package
1898 [19:09:25] <annadane> *you can install
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1900 [19:09:33] <greycat> No, you don't. Unless you like a broken computer.
1901 [19:09:41] <annadane> fair.
1902 [19:09:51] <pingfloyd> that's probably worse than mixing releases
1903 [19:09:51] <annadane> oh, right, it's not recommended
1904 [19:09:54] <annadane> i had forgotten about that
1905 [19:10:35] <petn-randall> Sokomine: You need to add a lot more info for us to be able to answer. Start with what error you get when you try booting.
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1921 [19:20:58] <Sokomine> ah. i get cryptsetup (croot): lvm is not available. which is true..it really isn't available. i do not use lvm
1922 [19:21:55] <Sokomine> when initramfs finally gives up and tells me that a device with the given uuid doesn't exist (i checked with the running system that it's the right one), there are no /dev/sda1 etc. and no /dev/disk-by-label/ devices at all
1923 [19:22:25] <Sokomine> so it's no wonder that it can't mount root. but: why are those devices not discovered?
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1926 [19:24:28] <petn-randall> Sokomine: How did you install the machine?
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1932 [19:29:18] <Sokomine> copied it over via rsync from my current installation
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1934 [19:30:45] <Sokomine> then somehow got grub2 to run. it boots - it even asks for the password. that it managed to decrypt the partition can be seen by grub's menu changing the background to the image from the encrypted partition. this doesn't happen if the password is misspelled
1935 [19:30:59] <Sokomine> but then...when trying to actually boot...no success :-(
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1943 [19:35:25] <Sokomine> i mount the device with the copied root file system as above. then mount -o rw -o noatime /dev/mapper/croot /mntn2; mount -o bind /proc /mntn2/proc; mount -o bind /dev /mntn2/dev; mount -o bind /dev/pts /mntn2/dev/pts; mount -o bind /sys /mntn2/sys; mount -o bind /tmp /mntn2/tmp; cd /mntn2; chroot /mntn2 /bin/bash; there: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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1946 [19:37:13] <Sokomine> is there anything wrong with those steps?
1947 [19:37:36] <Sokomine> it has to be something obvious somewhere :-/
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1949 [19:38:27] <Sokomine> ah yes, and a mount /dev/sdb1 /boot before the dpkg-reconfigure
1950 [19:38:46] <Sokomine> but that's about it...dpkg-reconfigure of the kernel doesn't complain
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1956 [19:40:29] <Sokomine> petn-randall: is that helpful information? or something missing?
1957 [19:41:46] <Sokomine> ok...dpkg-reconfigure kernelimage_package doesn't add a new grub config file. perhaps doing that anew could help as well
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2000 [19:58:04] <Mot0Kus4n> Hey, how can i edit /etc/resolv.conf and avoid to rewrite anytime?
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2002 [19:58:31] <Mot0Kus4n> i modify but when i restart i have to modify or do #dhclient -r | #dhclient
2003 [19:58:37] <Mot0Kus4n> and start to navegate
2004 [19:59:04] <greycat> !fixresolvconf
2005 [19:59:04] <dpkg> To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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2007 [19:59:27] <greycat> !override dns
2008 [19:59:27] <dpkg> To have dhclient use a specific nameserver rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i. replaced-url
2009 [19:59:34] <Mot0Kus4n> thankx
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2012 [20:00:10] <greycat> For what it's worth, *I* do not consider chattr to be a "crazy idea", but some other people do.
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2014 [20:00:50] <greycat> These other people do not have the decades of experience that I do, banging my head against a wall, trying to get the damned thing to Just Leave The Fucking File Alone, so I forgive them.
2015 [20:02:02] <Sokomine> greycat: :-) i hope my installation will start to work without too much damage to my head. right now there's a serious risk :-)
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2017 [20:02:08] <Sokomine> anyway...will try it again...
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2022 [20:03:27] <blackflow> lol, such a dumb idea... listed as _first_ solution by none other than nixcraft
2023 [20:03:58] <greycat> And the *only* solution that works across all Linuxes.
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2027 [20:05:19] <greycat> "Do I spend hours trying to track down how to 'fix' this the 'right way' on CentOS and then another hour verifying that the actual vendor didn't modify this part of CentOS... or do I just chattr the bastard?"
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2031 [20:08:09] <blackflow> "We've found chattr not to be a 100% robust solution, so we mount a special directory from cdrom and symlink resolv.conf into there"
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2034 [20:08:32] <greycat> anything that will undo a chattr will unlink a symlink
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2036 [20:08:56] <blackflow> that's why it's funny :)
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2038 [20:08:58] <greycat> To date I have not found anything that undoes a chattr.
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2040 [20:09:11] <blackflow> greycat: tmpfs? ;)
2041 [20:09:26] <blackflow> isn't resolv.conf symlinked to somwhere into /run these days?
2042 [20:09:28] <greycat> I don't understand what you're asking.
2043 [20:09:34] <greycat> No, not by default it isn't.
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2045 [20:09:44] <greycat> Only if you hand over control to resolvconf or nm.
2046 [20:09:56] <blackflow> ah.
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2048 [20:10:40] <greycat> *My* goal is to stop EVERYTHING from touching the file, because it's not a fucking laptop, it's not a fucking tablet, it's not migrating across networks, I KNOW what I want resolv.conf to contain, and I don't want anything to CHANGE IT.
2049 [20:10:48] <zerocool> blackflow: running stretch my edits to /etc/resolv.conf work immediately
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2051 [20:11:09] <greycat> zerocool: and then in a few hours, when the DHCP client daemon renews the lease...?
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2053 [20:11:44] <blackflow> I personally don't have a problemw ith resolv.conf, I configure dhcp not to touchh it, and on static configuration systems there's no dhclient or resolvconf or NM or systemd-resolved (yuck!)
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2055 [20:12:12] <zerocool> actually im transfering into the volume over ssh maybe that's it
2056 [20:12:15] <zerocool> whoops
2057 [20:12:19] <blackflow> in fact I don't remember ever having to chattr the thing. finding what modifies it was always relatively straightforward.
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2060 [20:13:07] <zerocool> greycat: i may have turned it off
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2067 [20:14:34] <greycat> The "obvious" way is to tell dhcp-client not to ask for resolvers, and on some networks, that works. On other networks, even if dhcp-client does not ask, the DHCP server *still* sends resolvers, and then dhcp-client edits the file.
2068 [20:14:56] <Sokomine> greycat: would be great if tablets and phones could eventually be actually owned and used
2069 [20:15:18] <greycat> So then you try to figure out how to tell dhcp-client not to edit the file IN THE FIRST PLACE, and the obvious way to try to learn how to do THAT is to read "man dhclient.conf", and you can read that file up and down and backwards and forwards and it's NOT IN THERE.
2070 [20:15:42] <greycat> It's not even in the SEE ALSOs.
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2072 [20:16:00] <blackflow> so you uninstall dhclient for dhcpcd? :)
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2076 [20:16:23] <greycat> The only way to find out how to tell dhcp-client not to edit the file IN THE FIRST PLACE is to backtrack UP to "man dhclient" and the follow the SEE ALSOs to "man dhclient-script".
2077 [20:16:29] <greycat> And good luck figuring THAT out on your own.
2078 [20:17:10] <blackflow> much anger. as if you've been doing this for over ten years ;)
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2082 [20:17:53] <greycat> So you spend hours, days, weeks, banging your head against the walls, never being able to figure out WHY THE FUCK this program doesn't have a simple OFF SWITCH for this ludicrous behavior, and then you start to see why chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf is NOT so bad after all.
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2085 [20:18:15] <greycat> It takes seconds, it's simple, it's intuitive, it works on all systems. It actually works.
2086 [20:18:27] <greycat> But people say it's "crazy".
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2088 [20:19:28] <annadane> i love this channel.
2089 [20:20:32] <blackflow> mounting resolv.conf from a readonly cdrom also works. is the TheRightThingToDo(tm) tho?
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2093 [20:20:58] <greycat> You could mount a loopback file system read-only. No need for a CD-ROM.
2094 [20:21:40] <greycat> But... you can't mount it on a FILE. You can only mount on a directory. So you would still have a removable symlink in the "real" /etc.
2095 [20:21:42] <blackflow> I like exaggerating. :) the problme with chattr is that you forget about it. and it's not immediately visible it's there.
2096 [20:22:18] <blackflow> similar to ACLs or a MAC. Y U NO DELETE! oooooooh, facl!
2097 [20:22:39] <greycat> Sure, but you get an error when you try to save inside vi, and then you can :!chattr -i %
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2100 [20:24:37] <blackflow> I personally don't like that solution. it's wrong. it's like wearing full rubber suit around your house because there are exposed electrical wires. instead of insulating the wires. lol best analogy I could come up with, sowwy.
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2103 [20:24:58] <OnceMe> useradd: Can't get unique subordinate UID range
2104 [20:25:00] <blackflow> as in, fixing the result, not the cause.
2105 [20:25:19] <OnceMe> I've changed adduser.conf and /etc/login.defs where I raised UID_MAX and GID_MAX in login.defs to 60000 and also LAST_UID and LAST_GID in adduser.conf set to 59999
2106 [20:25:26] <OnceMe> what to reset next>
2107 [20:25:40] <OnceMe> linux 4.9.0-6-amd64
2108 [20:25:44] <OnceMe> kernel
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2118 [20:28:57] <blackflow> how many uids you have there man... wth is this?
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2121 [20:29:25] * Sokomine throws some uuids in that don't get read at boot time
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2125 [20:29:58] <arunpyasi> what is the default mysql version in stretch ?
2126 [20:30:03] <FinalX> none
2127 [20:30:11] <greycat> mariadb 10.something
2128 [20:30:13] <FinalX> there is no mysql in stretch, there's only mariadb
2129 [20:30:21] <FinalX> and mariadb 10.1 is ~ mysql 5.6
2130 [20:30:26] <greycat> ,v mariadb-server
2131 [20:30:27] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2; buster: 1:10.1.29-6; sid: 1:10.1.29-6
2132 [20:30:43] <FinalX> if you must have mysql, they have their own official repository, also for stretch.
2133 [20:30:58] <FinalX> otherwise mariadb-server is a more than capable drop-in replacement.
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2135 [20:31:14] <FinalX> (it's a mysql fork from the *original* authors of mysql)
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2143 [20:34:36] <greycat> bug #860928
2144 [20:34:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2146 [20:36:22] <greycat> replaced-url
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2151 [20:37:51] <greycat> dpkg, no, override dns is <reply>To have dhclient (et al.) leave your /etc/resolv.conf file alone, see <replaced-url
2152 [20:37:51] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2169 [20:43:50] <Guest3712> greycat: not dure if I got the context right from backlog, but Imo you *can* mount on a file - bind-mount
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2173 [20:44:40] <greycat> you can mount a loopback file system in such a way that /etc/resolv.conf is the only thing affected in all of /etc ?
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2175 [20:45:15] <greycat> and is that really preferably to chattr +i?
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2183 [20:46:56] <Guest3712> you'd have to mount the loopback fs somewhere, and then mount --bind <somewhere>/etc/resolf.conf <dest>/etc/resolv.conf
2184 [20:48:16] <greycat> somewhere else. The call is:
2185 [20:48:16] <greycat> mount --bind olddir newdir
2186 [20:48:39] <greycat> ... oh, it says something about files below that.
2187 [20:48:44] <Guest3712> read further n the manpage
2188 [20:48:50] <arunpyasi> FinalX, I installed mariadb on an existing mysql-community-server and I am getting the following error: replaced-url
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2193 [20:49:36] <greycat> I hate it when authors write that way. "Here the general syntax which only shows one subset of the actual usage" andhereisawalloftextbelowthatwhichlistsexceptionsthatyoucannotcomprehend
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2195 [20:49:52] <Guest3712> true
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2199 [20:50:11] <Guest3712> prolly later version of mount
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2203 [20:52:40] <Guest3712> currently have a large hosts file on my sdcard that wouldn't fit on android system partition, and since I cannot symlink across part. boundaries - bind-mount
2204 [20:52:49] <arunpyasi> FinalX, ok, I fixed it :D by removing tc.log :D
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2212 [20:58:30] <OnceMe> why nobody helps?
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2219 [21:01:15] <annadane> i think blackflow kinda started to answer
2220 [21:01:21] <annadane> i'd help if i knew the answer
2221 [21:01:38] <annadane> alas, i am a moron and probably shouldn't be in irc at all
2222 [21:02:06] <annadane> OnceMe, try reposting your question?
2223 [21:02:16] <greycat> man page says that the default values of UID_MAX and GID_MAX are already 60000 so it's not clear that you actually changed anything
2224 [21:02:21] <OnceMe> blackflow: how to check
2225 [21:02:27] <OnceMe> how many uids I have?
2226 [21:02:36] <greycat> wc -l /etc/passwd
2227 [21:02:46] <greycat> or whatever you use for accounts
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2232 [21:03:31] <OnceMe> 36723
2233 [21:03:53] <blackflow> annadane: I was actually just wondering what kind of system is that if the regular UID space is exhausted.
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2236 [21:04:10] <greycat> you seriously made thirty-six THOUSAND unix accounts?
2237 [21:04:26] <greycat> on one computer, no NIS, no LDAP, ...?
2238 [21:04:27] <OnceMe> yes
2239 [21:04:30] <OnceMe> in for loop
2240 [21:04:31] <OnceMe> :D
2241 [21:04:58] <blackflow> now do it again, for each primary UID namespace
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2243 [21:05:06] <OnceMe> ?
2244 [21:05:09] <OnceMe> I think this is issue replaced-url
2245 [21:05:10] <blackflow> joke.
2246 [21:05:20] <OnceMe> find_new_sub_uids returns exit code 15
2247 [21:05:22] <OnceMe> 16(
2248 [21:05:24] <OnceMe> 16*
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2252 [21:05:39] <OnceMe> from here replaced-url
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2254 [21:05:43] <greycat> *sigh*
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2256 [21:05:56] <OnceMe> not sure why I cant obtain uid
2257 [21:06:02] <greycat> OnceMe: are you actually trying to do something REAL, or are you just trying to find a bug in a random C program?
2258 [21:06:17] <blackflow> OnceMe: btw, did you check google? the frist result for that literal error you have suggests SUB_UID_(MIN|MAX|COUNT) something something
2259 [21:06:19] <greycat> If you're just bug-hunting, this isn't the right channel. File a bug report.
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2263 [21:07:38] <OnceMe> im not bug hunting
2264 [21:07:43] <OnceMe> blackes__: sub_uid in which file
2265 [21:07:46] <greycat> OnceMe: what are you trying to do?
2266 [21:07:48] <OnceMe> adduser.conf or login.defs ?
2267 [21:09:19] <Guest3712> possibilities I couldthink of: not starting loop count at 0 ; accidentall bumping into 1 existing UID after 33000 non-existing ones ...
2268 [21:09:45] <OnceMe> how can I check if uid exist
2269 [21:09:49] <OnceMe> I did run adduser with strace
2270 [21:09:54] <OnceMe> seeing more in depth error
2271 [21:10:10] <OnceMe> The default values for SUB_GID_MIN, SUB_GID_MAX, SUB_GID_COUNT are respectively 100000, 600100000 and 10000.
2272 [21:10:16] <OnceMe> I dont think I need to set this one
2273 [21:10:57] <Guest3712> dunno, man -K UID and half an hour of patience?
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2279 [21:12:03] <OnceMe> ?
2280 [21:12:15] <greycat> OnceMe: to check a given UID, "id 1000" or "getent passwd 1000"
2281 [21:12:21] <greycat> OnceMe: Now, what are you trying to do?
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2284 [21:13:04] <OnceMe> that returns 2
2285 [21:13:07] <OnceMe> means its not used
2286 [21:13:13] <OnceMe> but useradd cannot obtain that uid
2287 [21:13:17] <OnceMe> wtf on earth is happening
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2290 [21:13:57] <greycat> sounds to me like you're really just trying to stretch this program to its limits so you can file a bug report on it, and YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL GOAL OTHER THAN THIS
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2292 [21:14:34] <OnceMe> im not a bug hunter man
2293 [21:14:44] <OnceMe> it just weird it cannot obtain next uid
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2295 [21:14:50] <OnceMe> when limits in adduser.conf and login.defs are in place
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2297 [21:14:56] <OnceMe> it must be something that I miss
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2299 [21:15:11] <razer2> Has anyone thought it might be better if XFCE was the default Debian desktop? Was it in the past?
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2301 [21:16:05] <razer2> I've had trouble with audio working properly in the Gnome Desktop and the Software app at times and just thinking.
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2303 [21:16:12] <greycat> Why does anyone care what the default choice is? Use what you want.
2304 [21:16:24] <blackflow> OnceMe: uhm... what do you think those limits do actually? maintain an infinite supply of uids?
2305 [21:16:36] <razer2> greycat, That is a good point. As long as people know about it. I'm thinking more about first time users.
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2307 [21:16:45] <OnceMe> hold up
2308 [21:16:51] <OnceMe> Im hitting SUB_UID_MAX default value limit
2309 [21:16:57] <OnceMe> damn
2310 [21:17:03] <razer2> Just a thought, not much more I can say.
2311 [21:17:19] <OnceMe> can I go above 600100000 ?
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2318 [21:19:36] <Guest3712> razer2: I'd think the audio system is relatively independent of DE - in most cases, it will be pulse -> alsa today
2319 [21:19:36] <blackflow> greycat: because choice is inherently bad for new users, or at least those who haven't tried all the DEs and have personal experience to rely on. people want defaults, want recommendations. the greatest power of foss is also one of its weak points: choice.
2320 [21:20:06] <greycat> I don't know who chose GNOME 3 as the default or why, but it's definitely not what I would have chosen.
2321 [21:20:07] <blackflow> FearOfMissingOut(tm) too
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2324 [21:21:36] <annadane> i'd change it, personally. it's not intuitive for beginners.
2325 [21:21:41] <annadane> xfce would be fine.
2326 [21:21:56] <greycat> the people in this channel generally don't have any power to enact such changes
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2329 [21:22:22] <Guest3712> razer2: apps not finding audio can be their audio out set to something wrong, or 'auto' not working
2330 [21:22:55] <greycat> or you need to run pavucontrol or something
2331 [21:23:23] <annadane> oh. razer already mentioned xfce.
2332 [21:23:28] <annadane> i read, like, 2 lines of conversation
2333 [21:23:31] <Guest3712> razer2: if you have pulse, in most DEs a right click on the Volume icon will give you the pulse audio control gui - aka pavucontrol
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2336 [21:23:46] <razer2> Guest3712, The issue is audio stuttering and skipping. There is a fix which is to turn on real time scheduling in pulse audio. It is a wide problem.
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2338 [21:24:00] <Guest3712> ooof
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2340 [21:24:05] <razer2> I mean turn off real time scheduling
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2342 [21:24:41] <Tenkawa> uggh I hate realtek usb card readers
2343 [21:24:46] <razer2> greycat, Yes, audio works fine in XFCE. I've tried gnome in Debian and Fedora and the audio stutters and skips.
2344 [21:24:53] <razer2> I have an extremely powerful computer too.
2345 [21:25:47] <Guest3712> real time scheduling should not be on unless you have a rt/low-latency kernel, my 2ct
2346 [21:26:09] <razer2> greycat, Ah, ok. What Desktiop do you use?
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2349 [21:26:34] <greycat> None.
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2351 [21:26:43] <Guest3712> you can run pasuspender and test if everything runs fine w/ alsa only
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2353 [21:27:17] <razer2> greycat, Yeah, but window manager. Do you not use xorg?
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2355 [21:27:26] <greycat> I use startx + fvwm
2356 [21:27:40] <Tenkawa> good ole fvwm... the memories
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2359 [21:27:52] <razer2> I've gone back and forth between XFCE and Awsome/DWM
2360 [21:28:03] <annadane> all the fvwm documentation i've been able to find is from like 2004 which i suppose is the point
2361 [21:28:46] <Tenkawa> it goes way back before that
2362 [21:28:56] <Tenkawa> its been around forever
2363 [21:28:59] <razer2> I found DWM to be a bit confusing even after I got the hang of it I still had questions. I also wonder if there would be any way to prevent the window ghost stamp effect and if I was using it right all the time.
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2365 [21:29:10] <Guest3712> you can familarize yourself with the pulse cli, it's either pactl or pacmd, razer2
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2367 [21:29:20] <annadane> my implication was that the basics haven't changed
2368 [21:29:26] <Tenkawa> ahh
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2370 [21:29:29] <annadane> good luck using KDE documentation from 2004
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2372 [21:29:46] <annadane> but then again maybe i just suck at searching
2373 [21:29:53] <razer2> Guest3712, I don't think I need to. I did find somebody else having the problem and turned off the real time scheduling in the pulse audio config file, but audio should work out of the box.
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2375 [21:30:33] <Tenkawa> I got my start with twm
2376 [21:30:38] <razer2> I'd like to try FVWM, I recently heard somebody else reference that.
2377 [21:30:40] <Tenkawa> it was.... intriguing
2378 [21:30:45] <razer2> I used motif in the Unix days.
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2380 [21:31:26] <Tenkawa> yeah
2381 [21:31:31] <Tenkawa> that was fun
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2383 [21:32:01] <razer2> twm was the original default x11 I read.
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2385 [21:32:14] <greycat> Yeah, pretty much.
2386 [21:32:35] <Tenkawa> I was sysadminning at&t and ncr svr boxes
2387 [21:32:38] <greycat> On a commercial unix workstation, you probably had twm, and whatever fledgling "desktop" they were trying to create.
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2389 [21:32:53] <Tenkawa> so yeah twm is what you had
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2392 [21:33:08] <Guest3712> that looks like a bug - default shout be rt sheduling off. I'd be curious where pulde is getting that config from, razer2
2393 [21:33:21] <Guest3712> pulse
2394 [21:33:23] <annadane> i just can't believe xfce is *slow* on this computer. this pc must really suck
2395 [21:33:48] <razer2> greycat, What other WM's have you tried before deciding on FVWM. I'd like to give FVWM a try.
2396 [21:33:59] <Tenkawa> xfce should be pretty zippy on almost anything unless something else is contending
2397 [21:34:04] <Tenkawa> I'd check tp
2398 [21:34:04] <razer2> Guest3712, That is strange. It was on by default with Debian.
2399 [21:34:06] <Tenkawa> er top
2400 [21:34:14] <greycat> I think the only ones I've ever used are twm, fvwm, and Common Desktop Environment(tm).
2401 [21:34:16] <blackflow> annadane: something something disable compositor if it can't use gpu accel
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2404 [21:34:45] <annadane> maybe
2405 [21:35:00] <greycat> (install nonfree firmware)
2406 [21:35:30] <annadane> it's probably just because i don't have an ssd like the cool kids
2407 [21:35:35] <annadane> because i want more than 5 GB of space
2408 [21:35:38] <razer2> I have a an intel i7 7700k and dedicated E-MU sound processor. So the audio should not be skipping.
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2412 [21:36:51] <Guest3712> razer2: afaik, rt sheduling of the various audio servers is meant for use in audio recording setups, with a rt/low-latency kernel, and a setup of allowing userspace apps to run with rt privileges , by means of an 'audio' group
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2417 [21:39:09] <Guest3712> if puse is running fine under xfce, razer2 , and you have the possibility to compare, you could check if pulse is using rt under xfce, or not, (and if it is running at all)
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2419 [21:39:15] <annadane> if i'm using the nvidia bulls... sorry, i mean, driver, i wonder whether disabling the compositor and using it as is, leaving the compositor on, or disabling the compositor and using compton results in the best performance
2420 [21:39:28] <blackflow> annadane: areplaced-url
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2422 [21:39:45] <annadane> not a hater! i just can't find anything good space-wise
2423 [21:39:52] <annadane> i'd drop everything and buy one if i could
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2427 [21:41:04] <blackflow> space-wise or monies-wise. they be expensive, aye.
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2430 [21:42:29] <annadane> space.
2431 [21:42:39] <annadane> anyway, off topic
2432 [21:43:17] <blackflow> Samsung EVO 850 1TB thingy has been good to me. /drops offtopic
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2435 [21:44:07] <Guest3712> off, topic!
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2437 [21:45:21] <Tenkawa> anyone versed with setting usb port modes by hand?
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2480 [22:07:07] <kalin> hi all
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2485 [22:07:55] <kalin> can someone tell me what player support .json video sream
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2487 [22:08:33] <greycat> .json does not sound like a video container format
2488 [22:08:58] <greycat> JSON is Javascript Object Notation, a way of representing data for applications
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2491 [22:09:46] <kalin> ok, i use Da player for android on my phone to watch iptv
2492 [22:10:09] <kalin> and i use alternative for debian
2493 [22:11:17] <greycat> If I had to guess (and I do, never heard of ANY of those things except "android"), you clicked on something on a web page, and your browser downloaded a file, and the filename ends with ".json", and it's very small, and you should open it and read it, and you will probably see nearly-human-readable data fields pointing you to where the actual data resides.
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2495 [22:12:38] <kalin> no
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2497 [22:13:34] <kalin> i must add replaced-url
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2501 [22:13:52] <greycat> So it's JSON data that encodes a list of locations where the data resides.
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2504 [22:16:41] <Something1> kalin, have you tried VLC or mpv?
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2510 [22:18:34] <kalin> ok, only way that i guess is to run da player with adnbox i debian
2511 [22:18:48] <kalin> but it must exist better way
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2515 [22:19:17] <greycat> If you're just going to ignore everything we suggest, why did you even ask?
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2521 [22:20:06] <jhutchins_wk> kalin: So the json file is a playlist in json markup language. You should still be able to read the links to the objects you're trying to play, and the real question is what program will play those objects and what format those are.
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2523 [22:20:31] <greycat> plus, what can you find or write that can extract the list of media-locations from the json
2524 [22:20:37] <debron> hello. could someone help me please? broken package when executing this line: apt-get install php7
2525 [22:20:59] <greycat> You just want "apt-get install php"
2526 [22:21:00] <debron> hello. could someone help me please? broken package when executing this line: apt-get install php7.0 mysql-server php7.0-mysqli
2527 [22:21:20] <debron> greycat need version 7
2528 [22:21:21] <kalin> i did not extract anything
2529 [22:21:25] <greycat> ,v php
2530 [22:21:27] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+61; sid: 1:7.2+61
2531 [22:21:34] <debron> aahhh they upgraded
2532 [22:21:35] <debron> great
2533 [22:21:41] <debron> thanks you greycat
2534 [22:21:51] <greycat> were you using third party repositories? that will cause issues.
2535 [22:21:54] <kalin> just add url in Da player and i have list of iptv channels
2536 [22:21:57] <debron> you are always around and help people, really appreciate
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2539 [22:22:08] <debron> greycat non-free :(
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2541 [22:22:16] <greycat> kalin: did you TRY anything? Did you open the damned file yet?
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2543 [22:23:00] <Something1> non-free is a normal repository, not third party :)
2544 [22:23:10] <kalin> i try with vlc
2545 [22:23:17] <kalin> but with no success
2546 [22:23:35] <debron> oh then not, i was okay
2547 [22:24:03] <debron> But anyway, I cant do anything now, some bug occurred, I cant install any package, not even php, always get the same message
2548 [22:24:09] <greycat> !bat
2549 [22:24:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2550 [22:24:39] <debron> okay!
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2552 [22:26:17] <kalin> greycat, what you mean?
2553 [22:26:59] <greycat> You tried vlc; good. Did you also try mpv, which was also suggested? Have you READ the file yet, with your eyes, with a text file reading program like less, nano, cat, ...?
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2555 [22:27:10] <razer2> Do you guys use visudo or do "adduser [name] sudo?
2556 [22:27:28] <greycat> razer2: those are two totally different things
2557 [22:27:56] <razer2> greycat, Yeah, they might be. I think some people are saying that the second is a substitute for the first. Is it not?
2558 [22:27:57] <greycat> the former is for fine-tuning stuff, and the latter is for carte blanche
2559 [22:27:58] <_Coffee> Yo guys, 2 questions. Where is libc.so.6 on Debian? and how do I upgrade it? I think my version is 2.27
2560 [22:28:13] <greycat> ,v libc6
2561 [22:28:14] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3
2562 [22:28:22] <greycat> 2.27 is testing (buster), so you're already in #debian-next
2563 [22:28:53] <annadane> (on oftc)
2564 [22:28:56] <_Coffee> wow
2565 [22:29:09] <annadane> bad greycat.
2566 [22:29:13] <greycat> as for "where is it", it's in the libc6 package, and as a testing or unstable user, you should know how to use dpkg -L to see the contents of a package
2567 [22:29:23] <greycat> annadane: he should know THAT too
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2569 [22:29:29] <annadane> probably
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2571 [22:29:47] <annadane> _Coffee, start by putting on paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list
2572 [22:29:56] <debron> !bat
2573 [22:29:57] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2574 [22:30:00] <debron> here replaced-url
2575 [22:30:08] <debron> could someone help me please?
2576 [22:30:48] <greycat> debron: seems like you are missing everything except security.d.o in your sources.list
2577 [22:31:02] <debron> aahhh
2578 [22:31:07] <greycat> oh, and stretch-updates, but you are missing the main stretch repositories
2579 [22:31:11] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2580 [22:31:11] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
2581 [22:31:51] <debron> thanks greycat will try correct my sources.list and update, then try again
2582 [22:31:54] <annadane> _Coffee, and also dpkg -l libc6
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2585 [22:33:06] <kalin> greycat, i've openet with leafpad
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2588 [22:33:34] <kalin> file contains some key and url for any cannel
2589 [22:33:41] <kalin> channel*
2590 [22:33:47] <greycat> Well, as I guessed, it contains the URLs for the actual media files.
2591 [22:34:08] <greycat> So you want to paste one of THOSE to your media player, or write an application to extract them from the JSON, or find a pre-written one.
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2593 [22:34:46] <greycat> (realplayer lives on it seems :( :( )
2594 [22:35:11] <debron> greycat fixed, thanks
2595 [22:35:21] <kalin> i will try
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2604 [22:39:20] <kalin> hm
2605 [22:39:39] <kalin> links maybe is incomplete
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2607 [22:40:32] <greycat> You said this thing was called "iptv"? Have you tried googling "iptv linux"?
2608 [22:40:44] <dbristow> If you get the files in cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.5.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd, the debian-update-9.5.0-amd64-DVD-?.jigdo checksums from the SHA512SUMS file there don't match
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2610 [22:41:21] <greycat> "apt-cache search iptv" also gives me three results
2611 [22:41:27] <kalin> greycat, i know what is real iptv
2612 [22:41:44] <greycat> kalin: You do? That makes ONE of us. As I said, I have never heard of this thing before.
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2615 [22:42:26] <kalin> but this file gves me a way to free watching of payed tv channels
2616 [22:42:44] <greycat> Have you tried googling "iptv linux" yet? Have you tried "apt-cache search iptv" yet?
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2619 [22:43:43] <annadane> or what extensions vlc supports in the first place
2620 [22:44:00] <kalin> greycat, kodi maybe?
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2695 [23:28:10] <lessthan0> what is the preferred mainstream samba server package that is used in debian?
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2698 [23:28:30] <lessthan0> I see two different server packages
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