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28 [00:26:42] <ksk> upon apt-get upgrade and building new initramfs apt says: "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100
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30 [00:27:32] <ksk> " -- will this effect my wifi connectivity after reboot? I have the package firmware-iwlwifi installed for my wifi-card, but cannot really make out the possible connection
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32 [00:28:33] <themill> that's in firmware-misc-nonfree; the firmware might not actually be required but the module for this card wants to load it
33 [00:28:54] <themill> (it's for a wired card not wifi)
34 [00:29:12] <ksk> ah okay. so thats gonna stop working? :D future will tell..
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47 [00:38:28] <tharkun> Good $DAY. I need to compile some apps for iOs and android. What are my Debian weapons of choice?
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50 [00:41:09] <davis> hello its been a while since I used debian. I installed vim, but it does not any colorschemes. the vim-full package does not seem to be available.
51 [00:41:52] <davis> i also get this error when I use my vimrc, Sorry, the command is not available in this version: function! HighlightSearch()
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69 [00:54:24] <davis> ahh it was vim-tiny and not vim. apt-get vim fixed my problem.
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93 [01:17:24] <RoyK> davis: quite usual issue ;)
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240 [02:08:07] <michael2> hi all, Ive just deleted a file on my system. -and I need it back, is this possible?
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243 [02:11:28] <annadane> how did you delete it, if you did it with rm it'd be very hard to retrieve
244 [02:11:29] <ChmEarl> michael2, feed the path to `dpkg -S <path>` , perhaps its owned by a package and can be reextracted
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247 [02:13:25] <michael2> I rm'ed it
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249 [02:14:07] <JustTheDoctor> i just compiled and installed python 3.5.5 how can i install pip for this same version? i used this guide to install python 3.5.5
250 [02:14:08] <JustTheDoctor> replaced-url
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255 [02:17:09] <annadane> eww
256 [02:17:14] <annadane> i... no
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261 [02:18:45] <gkwhc> hey guys, im transitioning from archlinux to debian. but for the life of me i cant seem to find how to remove a package along with its dependencies. googling says "apt-get remove <package>" but that only removes the package, not also the installed dependencies as pacman -Rssu in arch. any ideas?
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263 [02:19:02] <annadane> gkwhc, apt autoremove
264 [02:20:02] <gkwhc> annadane: tried that but it says 0 to remove.
265 [02:20:13] <gkwhc> for example, package pasystray
266 [02:21:16] <gkwhc> has two dependencies: gnome-icon-theme, libpulse-mainloop-glib0
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286 [02:37:52] <MarcLandolt> I need help with hybrid graphics card. i'm using buster but have no invitation to debian-next. it seems that the driver combination that comes with apt-get install nvidia-driver or with apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia does not correctly work with hybrid graphic card: in my case a intel coffeelake graphics and a gtx1050Ti. ubuntu got it working with the package nvidia-384 but not debian
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291 [02:40:46] <annadane> the channel for #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
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298 [02:48:09] <MarcLandolt> annadane: thank you :)
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326 [02:59:39] <quagmire> giggity giggity
327 [02:59:40] <quagmire> giggity
328 [02:59:41] <quagmire> giggity
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337 [03:01:00] <quagmire> giggity giggity
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364 [03:07:53] <misternumberone> hello, I am trying to install debian onto a device that has a realtek RTL81111/8168/8411 ethernet network controller. however the controller is not functioning when i complete the installation or use a live image, and the device cannot access internet. I was told that I would have to either use non free driver software or purchase an additional network adapter.
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371 [03:09:18] <dvs> !tell misternumberone about firmware iso
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375 [03:11:49] <quagmire> !ops giggity
376 [03:11:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: quagmire complains about a problem (see above)
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378 [03:12:41] <ml|> gkwhc: Try 'apt autoremove --purge'
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381 [03:15:14] <annadane> is that really for dependencies too?
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384 [03:16:40] <misternumberone> dvs: my problem is that I used the install image firmware-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso at replaced-url
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386 [03:18:48] <dvs> misternumberone, I don't think it has r8168-dkms, just r8168.
387 [03:18:48] <ml|> annadane: That purges auto-installed packages which are no longer required. So yes should work if the dependency was auto-installed and nothing else needs it.
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392 [03:20:24] <misternumberone> dvs: i used dpkg -l r8168 and no package is found
393 [03:20:39] <ml|> dpkg: autoremove
394 [03:20:39] <dpkg> autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed; apt-get and synaptic will prompt you to do so.. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>.
395 [03:20:48] <dvs> misternumberone, I think the package is called firmware-realtek
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402 [03:26:06] <misternumberone> dvs: firmware-realtek is present in dpkg -l, however in lsmod only r8169 is present. how can I enable the non free driver instead of the default driver?
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405 [03:28:39] <dvs> misternumberone, Dunno, I've never used it.
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450 [04:03:33] <rant> misternumberone: the firmware is not a driver and thats not your problem
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453 [04:04:14] <rant> misternumberone: I'm guessing you have an adapter with the rtl8187B chipset
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455 [04:05:26] <rant> misternumberone: in which case the problem is due to a bug in the firmware, you need to pass net.ifnames=0 on the kernel command line
456 [04:05:34] <misternumberone> rant realtek RTL81111/8168/8411 ethernet network controller
457 [04:05:44] <rant> misternumberone: usb?
458 [04:05:59] <rant> oh this is ethernet, not wifi
459 [04:06:05] <misternumberone> rant: i will try anything though, so I type "net.ifnames=0" at #?
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463 [04:06:30] <misternumberone> rant: the realtek device is integrated into the system main board
464 [04:06:48] <misternumberone> rant: it connects using internal pci express lanes
465 [04:06:59] <rant> no, at boot, but that may not be the issue but worth a try as my adapter USB Wifi (rtl8187b) doesnt work with the new long interface names.. it may be possible the bug is more widespread
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467 [04:08:14] <rant> misternumberone: but firmware is not a driver, its software loaded onto the hardware itself when the driver loads.. you need both not one or the othr
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471 [04:10:53] <rant> misternumberone: if you've already checked for firmware errors in dmesg, and reloaded the driver, you could try disabling the ifnames and see.. I only know it affects the RTL8187B chipset
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473 [04:12:05] <misternumberone> rant: ok so this would prevent my network interface names from changing from traditional to systemd scheme during boot? ok where do i paste that line to do it?
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476 [04:12:39] <rant> misternumberone: edit /etc/default/grub add it to I believe line 11 .. lemme check
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478 [04:13:02] <rant> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"
479 [04:13:08] <rant> is what the line should read
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481 [04:13:47] <rant> then you update-grub when you save that file
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485 [04:14:32] <rant> misternumberone: and yes it will revert back to the eth0, wlan0, etc naming scheme.. for my adapter it all appears to work but dissociates everytime unless its using the old ifnames
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496 [04:15:30] <rant> I also have a RTL ethernet though that uses r8169 and it works fine, but I have the ifnames disabled for the rtl8187b so.. maybe thats why my ethernet works
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498 [04:16:04] <rant> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c)
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904 [04:55:56] <H3nz> hey guys i need a file named libcrypto.so.1.0.0, can i download on site this lib?
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906 [04:56:34] <H3nz> i need do download in ftp or replaced-url
907 [04:56:38] <H3nz> no
908 [04:56:39] <H3nz> on
909 [04:57:02] <H3nz> without apt-get
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914 [05:01:32] <ChmEarl> H3nz, its in libssl1.0.0
915 [05:01:34] <ChmEarl> replaced-url
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918 [05:04:25] <H3nz> ChmEarl i dont know
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920 [05:04:35] <H3nz> do download in this link
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923 [05:05:19] <H3nz> how to do?
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930 [05:08:42] <annadane> H3nz, replaced-url
931 [05:08:56] <annadane> "You can download the requested file from the pool/main/o/openssl/ subdirectory at any of these sites:"
932 [05:09:19] <annadane> you get to that page by clicking the architecture section on the page ChmEarl linked
933 [05:09:26] <annadane> or sorry, no
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935 [05:09:37] <annadane> on the package description page. replaced-url
936 [05:09:54] <annadane> btw why do you need that specific file, helps to know what you're doing
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954 [05:28:01] <qc170422> how to install sid + fluxbox on a laptop without rj45?
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965 [05:41:12] <Tom-_> qc170422, i guess you need wifi or a usb converter dongle
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971 [05:45:25] <qc170422> Tom-_: it's not the way i want
972 [05:45:32] <qc170422> :(
973 [05:45:50] <Tom-_> how did you install the system in the first place?
974 [05:46:13] <qc170422> i am using Lubuntu now
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984 [05:52:38] <Tom-_> you can make a sid bootable CD
985 [05:52:56] <Tom-_> but you need Internet access to get on the Internet once you install your system
986 [05:52:59] <Tom-_> !usb
987 [05:52:59] <dpkg> Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. replaced-url
988 [05:53:06] <jada> hey, I just installed notepadqq from *.deb package: notepadqq-common_1.4.4-1_xenial1_all.deb ; now dpkg --get-selections shows notepadqq-common installed, but I don't have notepad* executable anywhere in /usr/sbin
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990 [05:53:21] <jada> what do I do next? should I remove the whole thing and try to install again?
991 [05:53:31] <Tom-_> jada, not sure what notepadqq is, but it's likely to be in /usr/bin, not /usr/sbin
992 [05:53:36] <jada> I got deb from replaced-url
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994 [05:53:56] <jada> Tom-_ /usr/bin also doesn't have executable
995 [05:54:14] <Tom-_> i think you need more packages to install than just notepadqq-common
996 [05:54:20] <Tom-_> those are usually just support files
997 [05:55:19] <jada> fair play, there are 2 extra .deb files there
998 [05:55:52] <jada> hey, it works now!
999 [05:55:54] <jada> so simple
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1001 [05:56:19] <jada> Tom-_ notepadqq is a Linux version of notepad++ which is better/tabbed notepad with syntax highlighting
1002 [05:57:16] <Tom-_> i figured it was related to that
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1068 [06:57:58] <pingfloyd> did you try install exfat-utils?
1069 [06:58:12] <pingfloyd> *installing
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1120 [07:43:02] <cyb3rpunk> anyone here?
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1123 [07:46:56] <somiaj> !chat
1124 [07:46:57] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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1225 [08:51:47] <iceroot> hi, could someone tell me why snap is reporting that all snaps are up to date? am i using it wrong? replaced-url
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1230 [08:55:28] <tomreyn> iceroot: are you sure that you run Debian?
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1232 [08:56:06] <iceroot> tomreyn: of course, debian stretch with snapd installed from the debian repos. mbasse@bbclnx-rocket:~$ cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 9 \n \l
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1235 [08:56:36] <tomreyn> oh sorry, then, i wasn't aware debian also comes with snapd
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1242 [08:58:08] <iceroot> tomreyn: its coming originlly from canocial/ubuntu?
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1245 [08:58:37] <tomreyn> iceroot: yes. so why do you think you dont have the latest versions already?
1246 [08:59:54] <iceroot> tomreyn: the find command ist telling me there is rocketchat 0.66.2 and a snap list is showing me, locally i have 0.65.1 and snap refresh --list is telling me there are no updates.
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1248 [09:00:36] <iceroot> i thought that it will tell me there are new updates in the repo (like apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade would do)
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1250 [09:02:45] <tomreyn> iceroot: i agree, i would have expected the same. looks like i didnt read your output properly the first time.
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1253 [09:04:14] <tomreyn> iceroot: this might help siagnosing this situstion replaced-url
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1255 [09:05:23] <iceroot> tomreyn: thank you, maybe a good way to understand the system :) never used it before but rocket.chat only offers tar.gz and snap, so i decided to use snap :)
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1262 [09:09:41] <tomreyn> there are other 'modern' chat services.
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1266 [09:11:04] <Fox> like Mattermost
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1296 [09:28:14] <simcop2387> So I've created (I assume it's my fault) a unique situation. I've got a server that kernel panics (tried to kill pid 1) when installing or removing anything that deals with an initscript (instead of a systemd service file). anybody have any hints on what kind of stupid i've managed to do?
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1298 [09:29:05] <simcop2387> specifically it seems to die when invoke-rc.d gets called
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1310 [09:33:26] <hassonofer> Hey, I've just installed Debian Stretch on a new Dell Latitude laptop, and the touchpad keys are not working, the right one doesn't do anything and the left one acts as the right one ,any ideas ?
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1314 [09:35:12] <bch> hello.
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1317 [09:35:32] <bch> i am looking for python3-flask-oauthlib in Debian Stretch. does anyone know where to find it?
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1319 [09:36:17] <bch> looks like to be unstable / not sure if i can get it with backports?
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1330 [09:42:04] <jolt> bch: Worst case if you don't find it, install with pip
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1334 [09:45:32] <bumblebee> @bch replaced-url
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1345 [09:52:45] <atralheaven> Hi, I can't boot from USB, I tried two softwares and dd, and USB boot is enabled from bios, iso file is verified too. what can I do?
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1354 [09:56:20] <pingfloyd> what was the dd command you used?
1355 [09:56:21] <atralheaven> btw I want to install debian from USB flash drive, not a live boot
1356 [09:56:35] <pingfloyd> verbatim
1357 [09:56:49] <atralheaven> pingfloyd: the one on the arch wiki, I've used it before and it worked
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1359 [09:56:59] <pingfloyd> that doesn't help
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1361 [09:57:15] <atralheaven> let me take a look and paste it here
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1364 [09:57:50] <atralheaven> sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/atralheaven/Desktop/debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress oflag=sync
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1366 [09:59:12] <atralheaven> system is set to UEFI, is that ok?
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1407 [10:21:15] <_736c6f> RESET
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1410 [10:21:48] <atralheaven> pingfloyd: any idea...?
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1413 [10:23:29] <lessthan0> atralheaven I only use bs=4K
1414 [10:23:40] <lessthan0> and sync on a new line when I am done
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1416 [10:23:53] <lessthan0> just sync
1417 [10:24:39] <lessthan0> sudo dd if=/home/atralheaven/Desktop/debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4K
1418 [10:24:41] <atralheaven> lessthan0: do you think it might be something related to UEFI or secure boot being off?
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1421 [10:25:10] <lessthan0> I DD the debian 9.4 amd64 and can use it on both UEFI and EFI
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1423 [10:25:29] <lessthan0> never had a problem but I don't have your motherboard so
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1425 [10:25:53] <lessthan0> some motherboards are very picky
1426 [10:26:18] <lessthan0> they are tested with windows booting the installer over usb created with microsoft tools
1427 [10:26:28] <lessthan0> and then never tested for anything after that
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1429 [10:26:45] <lessthan0> we only get linux to boot by copy paste a lot of windows crap
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1433 [10:27:06] <lessthan0> obviously secure boot is off when installing windows or linux
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1437 [10:27:12] <lessthan0> so check that in the bios
1438 [10:27:18] <atralheaven> I will try it, that should work... I don't know why it doesn't. the weird thing is that it worked with Ubuntu. but I had weird problems with ubuntu after installation, so I thought I better install debian
1439 [10:27:28] <epicmetal> ap
1440 [10:27:30] <lessthan0> I would want to know if you ever had anything boot from USB ever
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1445 [10:28:47] <lessthan0> thats the answer!
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1448 [10:29:03] <lessthan0> check the differences between the two USB flash drives
1449 [10:29:09] <lessthan0> one works and one does not
1450 [10:29:10] <atralheaven> lessthan0: yes, ubuntu worked, I installed it selecting minimal install, but it's acting weird, I wanted to try normal installation but it just freezes at the begining
1451 [10:29:26] <atralheaven> it's the same usb flash drive
1452 [10:29:27] <lessthan0> they both have linux in the debian/ubuntu style
1453 [10:29:43] <lessthan0> that is a big victory
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1455 [10:30:04] <lessthan0> you got linux to boot over usb using off the shelf standard issue stuff
1456 [10:30:15] <lessthan0> do you have two?
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1458 [10:30:55] <atralheaven> yes, I will check with the second one.
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1462 [10:31:35] <lessthan0> you should look in /boot
1463 [10:32:01] <lessthan0> look in /boot/efi
1464 [10:32:32] <lessthan0> you can trace the steps it takes
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1466 [10:32:41] <atralheaven> how?
1467 [10:32:44] <lessthan0> you can also hack things together
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1470 [10:33:49] <lessthan0> I don't have a ubuntu iso here to look
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1472 [10:34:06] <lessthan0> debian uses .deb to run the installer
1473 [10:34:22] <lessthan0> I think ubuntu is grub but not sure
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1475 [10:34:52] <lessthan0> the point is you can probably plug in the working boot loader and chain load the debian boot loader
1476 [10:35:04] <lessthan0> its not easy but not hard
1477 [10:35:16] <lessthan0> just need to google common questions
1478 [10:35:22] <lessthan0> how does linux boot
1479 [10:35:26] <lessthan0> how to edit grub
1480 [10:35:34] <lessthan0> syslinux
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1483 [10:36:59] <atralheaven> I would love to install debian, I just wanted to try ubuntu, but it didn't work well for me
1484 [10:37:13] <atralheaven> ok let me try with dd in the new usb drive
1485 [10:38:21] <lessthan0> replaced-url
1486 [10:38:28] <lessthan0> this is the exact iso I used
1487 [10:38:42] <lessthan0> skip all that
1488 [10:38:45] <lessthan0> just use this
1489 [10:38:48] <lessthan0> it works for me
1490 [10:38:56] <atralheaven> I think I have that too
1491 [10:39:00] <lessthan0> no need to build a patch
1492 [10:39:11] <lessthan0> I can confirm this works
1493 [10:39:34] <atralheaven> I never had problems like this... at least dd always worked. but it's a new laptop
1494 [10:39:59] <lessthan0> I used rufus in DD mode
1495 [10:40:24] <atralheaven> ok copied, let's see if it works...
1496 [10:40:25] <lessthan0> because I am constantly formatting and never have anything stored on my test machines
1497 [10:41:00] <lessthan0> debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-gnome.iso is hmmmmm
1498 [10:41:07] <lessthan0> if that is giving you problems
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1500 [10:41:24] <lessthan0> not sure where you got it from or when
1501 [10:41:30] <lessthan0> or who packed it
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1503 [10:42:06] <atralheaven> just yesterday, with debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-gnome.iso.torrent, I checked the hash
1504 [10:42:23] <atralheaven> booted!
1505 [10:42:42] <atralheaven> do you use gnome?
1506 [10:42:51] <atralheaven> I'm installing
1507 [10:43:12] <lessthan0> you pick gnome in the installer
1508 [10:43:18] <lessthan0> first option in the list
1509 [10:43:21] <lessthan0> I do
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1511 [10:43:32] <atralheaven> stable repo?
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1513 [10:43:49] <lessthan0> everyone wants stable
1514 [10:44:01] <lessthan0> unless you are a developer
1515 [10:44:11] <lessthan0> or you are a beta tester
1516 [10:44:32] <epicmetal> or other reasons
1517 [10:44:36] <lessthan0> or you have old hardware or you like to be insecure
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1519 [10:44:55] <lessthan0> did I leave anything out?
1520 [10:44:59] <epicmetal> yes :)
1521 [10:45:00] <lessthan0> new hardware?
1522 [10:45:23] <kemisten> hi
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1524 [10:46:01] <atralheaven> I always used stable repo, but I manualy installed firefox and python because I wanted the last versions
1525 [10:46:18] <lessthan0> it is a dice roll
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1527 [10:46:52] <lessthan0> latest version of firefox could work great on some distros and totally break everything on another distro
1528 [10:47:06] <lessthan0> firefox broke caja
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1530 [10:47:23] <atralheaven> should bootable flag be on for the root partition?
1531 [10:48:03] <lessthan0> I think / should be bootable
1532 [10:48:05] <atralheaven> I have it on this system now, it works fine
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1535 [10:48:46] <lessthan0> so problem solved?
1536 [10:48:56] <lessthan0> with the bootable usb?
1537 [10:49:15] <atralheaven> yes!
1538 [10:49:25] <lessthan0> !next
1539 [10:49:26] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1548 [10:50:31] <lessthan0> also try #debian-offtopic
1549 [10:50:38] <atralheaven> 24gb for root should be enough, yes? on this machine I have 17gb and I always get warnings about how little free space is left on it...
1550 [10:51:02] <atralheaven> why offtopic?
1551 [10:51:16] <_MMx> you can run root on 1-2 gb also. Just partition home and usr with more
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1553 [10:52:06] <atralheaven> then I would need a partition for /usr, I prefer to keep things simple
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1555 [10:52:20] <atralheaven> 24gb should be enough
1556 [10:52:38] <_MMx> it is
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1560 [10:53:01] <_MMx> you can always install your system with LVM, then if you want just extend it later
1561 [10:53:18] <lessthan0> you are fine
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1563 [10:53:51] <lessthan0> but if you get tired of technical questions and you want to hang out with us there is also the other room
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1565 [10:54:20] <atralheaven> aha, thanks! I will join there :)
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1569 [10:54:43] <atralheaven> what about swap? for 16gb of ram, 4gb seems fine I think?
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1571 [10:55:05] <lessthan0> 16GB system ram = no need for swap ever
1572 [10:55:19] <lessthan0> wasted space on the disk
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1575 [10:55:55] <lessthan0> unless you have a massive SSD then maybe swap 8GB or 32GB
1576 [10:56:03] <lessthan0> for a server maybe
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1578 [10:56:13] <jelly> absolutely not
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1582 [10:57:19] <jelly> a server gets 1-2GB swap unless you have a specific leaky long running process. Typically you don't want a server to slow down to crawl swapping, it's better it die sooner
1583 [10:58:30] <atralheaven> it's installing :)
1584 [10:59:00] <atralheaven> can I install a few packages from testing/unstabe repo on debian stable? is it ok?
1585 [10:59:06] <jelly> separate /usr is useless, too. Separate /usr/src might make sense if you do a lot of building and put sources there
1586 [10:59:17] <jelly> atralheaven: it's not ok
1587 [10:59:31] <jelly> it's the easiest way to mess up an installation
1588 [10:59:45] <jelly> !backports
1589 [10:59:45] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
1590 [10:59:45] <atralheaven> jelly: how about installing them from source?
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1592 [11:00:18] <jelly> atralheaven: in a separate prefix, sure
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1601 [11:05:07] <afidegnum> offtopic.... .anyone in germany? i can't have # key working on a remote console
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1607 [11:09:29] <p0lyph3m> afidegnum: im from germany , what do y mean ?
1608 [11:11:11] <annadane> !tell atralheaven about don't break debian
1609 [11:11:26] <afidegnum> p0lyph3m: no '#'
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1611 [11:11:50] <afidegnum> i typed the # key near the enter key but had no success
1612 [11:12:02] <p0lyph3m> copy/paste '#' to remote console#
1613 [11:12:06] <atralheaven> jelly: may you explain a little more? how can I install it in a separate prefix?
1614 [11:12:09] <afidegnum> it rather rinted |
1615 [11:12:29] <afidegnum> unfortunately i m having some java type of console which is not allowing pasting
1616 [11:12:39] <annadane> you can install *some* packages in testing/unstable, via apt pinning. but it's almost better you don't unless you understand the methodology
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1618 [11:12:52] <afidegnum> lara console
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1620 [11:13:28] <rtp2342> afidegnum: if the keymap is US, you may try shift+3
1621 [11:14:11] <p0lyph3m> or $>loadkeys de
1622 [11:14:13] <afidegnum> my local keymap is us but the remote console is interpreting into it's keymap
1623 [11:14:21] <afidegnum> hence german
1624 [11:14:28] <rtp2342> afidegnum: have you tried shift+3 ?
1625 [11:14:45] <p0lyph3m> loadkeys en
1626 [11:15:23] <jelly> atralheaven: ./configure --prefix=/opt/pieceofsoftware
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1628 [11:15:49] <jelly> afidegnum: what kind of remote console?
1629 [11:15:56] <afidegnum> rtp2342: it printed some weird
1630 [11:16:14] <afidegnum> Lara Console which were sent via a .jnlp extension
1631 [11:16:18] <afidegnum> using Hetzner
1632 [11:17:49] <jelly> afidegnum: not familiar with that, but try setting your local keymap to US and setting the one on the remote to us as well
1633 [11:18:17] <afidegnum> the only way i could be allowed to do that is by login
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1636 [11:18:28] <afidegnum> unfortunately, that's what most of my passwords are made of
1637 [11:18:33] <jelly> heh
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1650 [11:22:02] <rtp2342> afidegnum: maybe this shitty java thing allows inserting "special" chars via menu?
1651 [11:22:08] <p0lyph3m> afidegnum: open local terminal ; do loadkeys de ; push all keyboard keys & find # ; remeber key , use it at remote login
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1657 [11:22:44] <p0lyph3m> s/remeber/remember/
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1659 [11:23:57] <afidegnum> the problem is i have just change the ssh port 22 to a different one, and i forgot to allow that port in ip tables
1660 [11:24:10] <bauruine> afidegnum, replaced-url
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1663 [11:25:05] <afidegnum> thanks,
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1665 [11:26:04] <afidegnum> i think i have to change icetea java web start to something
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1673 [11:30:33] <jsqkldhf> Hi, I have a freshly installed debian 9.4
1674 [11:30:58] <p0lyph3m> jsqkldhf: congrats
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1676 [11:31:10] <jsqkldhf> I have python3.5, how to also install py 2.7 ?
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1682 [11:32:19] <p0lyph3m> sudo apt-get install python2.7
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1684 [11:33:10] <p0lyph3m> or better :sudo aptitude install python2.7
1685 [11:33:17] <annadane> you already have it
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1688 [11:33:27] <annadane> don't need to install it
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1690 [11:33:54] <annadane> you can verify this by typing dpkg -l python2.7
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1693 [11:35:57] <annadane> aptitude and apt-get are the same thing for the purposes of installing a package
1694 [11:36:06] <annadane> there are specific reasons to use aptitude, that's not one of them
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1697 [11:37:43] <p0lyph3m> annadane: thought aptitude is more advanced and shouldbe used generally , only first thing comes to mind is apt-get ;muscle/brain memory :)
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1699 [11:38:22] <annadane> apt and apt-get are virtually the same, except apt-get should be used in scripts. aptitude is more different, and has a bunch of neat tools
1700 [11:38:22] <apt> ...but and apt-get is already something else...
1701 [11:38:27] <annadane> oh shut up
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1703 [11:38:47] <annadane> the manpage for aptitude is worth a look
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1705 [11:40:58] <annadane> or for that matter the section in the reference manual about it
1706 [11:40:59] <p0lyph3m> as far as i understand it gives you proposals on conflict resolution, if you have any
1707 [11:41:03] <annadane> indeed
1708 [11:41:12] <annadane> which is not really needed in stable :P
1709 [11:41:25] <hahainternet> i'd like to contribute by fixing bugs in a couple of packages, but i'm not sure of the right process to submit these fixes
1710 [11:41:31] <hahainternet> a couple of them are one-line changes and quite old
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1712 [11:41:41] <p0lyph3m> and aptitude search is nicer than apt-cache search :)
1713 [11:41:44] <shtrb> What is the expected flow connecting to the web if I have a wwan (over usb) in network manager (I see a the gsm icon listed but I can't find any option to add a connection) ?
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1720 [11:49:21] <OlofL> is there any risk in letting a user have no password defined in /etc/shadow ? i can't login with that particular user its just a "!" in shadow files
1721 [11:49:50] <OlofL> I login with a ssh key insted
1722 [11:49:50] <RoyK> OlofL: passwd <username>
1723 [11:49:55] <RoyK> then give the user a password
1724 [11:50:01] <petn-randall> OlofL: They can't log in with a password, that's right.
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1726 [11:50:09] <OlofL> are there any risks to it?
1727 [11:50:10] <RoyK> to allow empty passwords is madness
1728 [11:50:33] <OlofL> RoyK: does "!" allow empty password login? how?
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1731 [11:50:57] <petn-randall> OlofL: You can lock a password with 'passwd -l <user>', then they can't log in with password.
1732 [11:50:59] <RoyK> OlofL: it doesn't - it just sets the password to "blocked"
1733 [11:51:07] <petn-randall> OlofL: There's no risk other than locking that user out.
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1735 [11:51:30] <RoyK> petn-randall: it doesn't lock the user if (s)he's using keys, though
1736 [11:51:41] <OlofL> I cant set password, because its a vyos system (based on debian) and the ansible module wont set encrypted password
1737 [11:51:50] <OlofL> thats why i am asking
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1739 [11:51:56] <RoyK> OlofL: use keys
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1742 [11:54:11] <RoyK> OlofL: I use keys with ansible - simple and easy
1743 [11:54:31] <p0lyph3m> why doesnt aptitude haye super-moo-powers ?
1744 [11:54:49] <p0lyph3m> ... and apt-get and apt do ?
1745 [11:55:10] <RoyK> I thought aptitude had expired years ago
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1748 [11:55:21] <OlofL> RoyK: yes, thats why I am asking. is it safe to keep using "!" in etc shadow file and only use ssh keys ?
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1751 [11:55:36] <RoyK> OlofL: it's safe
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1754 [11:57:16] <p0lyph3m> RoyK: i thought aptitude superseeded dselect
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1756 [11:58:25] <p0lyph3m> ... and is more advanced then apt && apt-get
1757 [11:58:46] * RoyK just uses apt/apt-get
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1760 [12:00:06] <annadane> apt-get is too long to type. :P
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1763 [12:00:29] <p0lyph3m> what is suggested officially these days by Debian ? apt , apt-get or aptitude ?
1764 [12:00:44] <OlofL> RoyK: replaced-url
1765 [12:01:13] <annadane> really, apt is fine, or apt-get, or really aptitude is also fine, any of them work
1766 [12:01:41] <annadane> though i think basically the most important difference is apt/apt-get use dist-upgrade and aptitude uses safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
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1769 [12:03:09] <p0lyph3m> oh , ok
1770 [12:03:44] <annadane> and you should use apt-get in scripts, not apt
1771 [12:04:22] <RoyK> OlofL: it locks login with password, not key. it's a common misconception that it locks everything
1772 [12:04:44] <p0lyph3m> ive used aptget for long time , since i read aptitude is preferable , never used apt
1773 [12:05:13] <p0lyph3m> s/since/until/
1774 [12:05:29] <RoyK> OlofL: to lock an account, set an expiration date
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1776 [12:06:19] <annadane> p0lyph3m, replaced-url
1777 [12:06:57] <annadane> really, the entirety of section 2 is worth reading replaced-url
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1782 [12:09:25] <annadane> (anyone under the impression "debian has no good documentation" should at least glance at the reference manual. we ain't arch, but...)
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1788 [12:12:34] <ahoi_steff> hello, I had edit the file /etc/vte/termcap and now I cannot start any editor, terminal or midnight-commander zu restore it. What can I do??
1789 [12:14:35] <p0lyph3m> annadane: thanks
1790 [12:15:43] <rtp2342> ahoi_steff: is vte a specific terminal emulator? then use a different one (xterm, rxvt, ...)
1791 [12:16:42] <ahoi_steff> I cant start another
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1793 [12:17:13] <ahoi_steff> I have installed xfce4-terminat, terminator but cannot start
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1796 [12:19:21] <shtrb> did anyone answer about the wwan question /
1797 [12:19:42] <p0lyph3m> ahoi_steff: switch to text console (alt-shift-f2) ; login ; export DISPLAY=:0 ; xterm
1798 [12:20:07] <ahoi_steff> ok
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1803 [12:22:03] <ahoi_steff> -bash: xterm command not found
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1805 [12:22:35] <p0lyph3m> ahoi_steff: rxvt
1806 [12:23:21] <ahoi_steff> rxvt?
1807 [12:23:41] <p0lyph3m> rxvt = another terminal emulatot
1808 [12:24:16] <rtp2342> ahoi_steff: well, if you can login on a text console, why not use the editor there?
1809 [12:24:42] <rtp2342> ahoi_steff: to fix the /etc/vte/termcap setting
1810 [12:24:58] <ahoi_steff> iam logged in, in the console via ctrl+alt+f1
1811 [12:25:59] <ahoi_steff> i had open with sudo the folder with thunar, but it dont open the file
1812 [12:27:42] <p0lyph3m> do you have /usr/share/vte/termcap ? cp it to /etc/vte
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1816 [12:28:46] <ahoi_steff> moment i try
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1819 [12:30:21] <ahoi_steff> p0lyph3m, it dont works
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1823 [12:32:20] <p0lyph3m> ahoi_steff: where did u get /etc/vte/termcap from ; apt-file doesnt find a pckage that it belongs to . Did u install it yourself somehow ?
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1826 [12:33:54] <ahoi_steff> it was already there. I use bunsenlabs linux, it based on debian. And I added a line to the xterm-file to get 256 colors in midnight-commander. But after adding the line..my sytem wont start any editor or bash
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1829 [12:34:45] <p0lyph3m> not even in text console ß
1830 [12:34:48] <p0lyph3m> ?
1831 [12:35:06] <annadane> i'd try asking bunsenlabs support then, we don't know what changes they've made
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1834 [12:35:18] <contrapunctus> o/
1835 [12:35:21] <Fox> ahoi_steff: /join #bunsenlabs
1836 [12:35:37] <contrapunctus> I was looking at replaced-url
1837 [12:35:58] <ahoi_steff> oki, but thank u very much for info and help!
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1843 [12:39:41] <ahoi_steff> p0lyph3m, i tty it was possible to edit the damn file...now is all fine. Thx!
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1848 [12:41:15] <p0lyph3m> ahoi_steff: ur welcome
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1911 [13:22:45] <michael2> hi all. looking inside my official (non-firmware) netinstaller directory - I can see a sub-directory "firmware" - is this the directory for adding .deb files which the netinstaller will look for and use to initialise hardware during install process?
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1920 [13:29:25] <Iridos> michael2, replaced-url
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1933 [13:33:24] <michael2> Iridos: are you linking to that page because it contains the answer? or are you linking because that page has a title which seems relevant?
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1939 [13:35:04] <michael2> ah, it seems to give an answer. cool, thanks :)
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1973 [13:53:15] <msl09> is postfix no longer installed on debian by default?
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1981 [13:56:14] <shtrb> Any one here have an idea how to drop modemmanger state change to sim not when it is really there (I think it uses the wrong port) ?
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2049 [14:37:59] <GwaiLo> Hi, I'm trying to get chromium to play nicely with my hidpi i3wm on ubuntu 18.04. I'm following the hidpi wiki page but getting the following error:
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2051 [14:38:23] <GwaiLo> $ chromium --force-device-scale-factor=2 // ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. // Created new window in existing browser session.
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2055 [14:40:00] <GwaiLo> it doesn't seem to appear in any google searches specifically, seems like a more generic message
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2058 [14:40:39] <annadane> !ubuntu
2059 [14:40:39] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2061 [14:42:28] <GwaiLo> ah right, apologies
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2087 [14:54:48] <Iridos> michael2, are you asking that because you didn't read the page? ^^
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2101 [14:58:28] <Iridos> but actually I was linking to the page because it was the most relevant page of the authorative documentation… and I would probably have linked to it even if it had not given a clear answer
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2130 [15:07:52] <jsqkldhf> re
2131 [15:08:05] <jsqkldhf> python3.5 is installed by default
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2133 [15:08:40] <jsqkldhf> apt-get install python2.7 would install version 2.7 (which i need), but then how to set what is "pip install" => 2.7 instead of 3.5
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2137 [15:09:57] <annadane> well first don't ever run pip as root
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2139 [15:10:13] <thnee> jsqkldhf: You dont want to do that
2140 [15:10:28] <thnee> You do not want to change what the default pip or python points to in a global way
2141 [15:10:35] <thnee> Use things like virtualenv or pyenv
2142 [15:10:50] <msl09> or pip install --user
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2147 [15:11:12] <jsqkldhf> why don't i want to do this,
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2149 [15:11:34] <msl09> it screws with your PYTHONPATH
2150 [15:11:44] <jimm> that's not quite true... you can run pip as root if the destination of the modules you're installing are going to go into dirs that debian packaging "owns"
2151 [15:11:44] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: python 3.5 is not installed by default. What problem are you trying to solve?
2152 [15:11:47] <petn-randall> !xy problem
2153 [15:11:47] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
2154 [15:12:02] <thnee> The OS uses Python for its tools. If you change the default Python, you are changing your OS
2155 [15:12:13] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: it seems it is
2156 [15:12:15] <petn-randall> jimm: If you do that, nobody will be willing to help fix your system.
2157 [15:12:16] <msl09> pip was not built with distros paths in mind
2158 [15:12:47] <annadane> is 3.5 seriously not installed by default? i've been mistaken, then
2159 [15:12:47] <msl09> also that ^
2160 [15:12:48] <jsqkldhf> pip isn't installed but python3.5 is
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2162 [15:12:54] <Batfly> hi! We have a small problem in our channel. It's not registered and there are not operators, a guy use mult account and flood. Is there a possibility to get the operator statue?
2163 [15:12:59] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: On a minimal system python3.5 is not installed, and it's not marked as essential. It would really help if you tell us about the problem you're trying to solve.
2164 [15:13:00] <jimm> but you should not run pip to install mods in the debian-installed place for modules
2165 [15:13:08] <annadane> Batfly, which channel, try #freenode maybe
2166 [15:13:14] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: ok, here it is:
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2168 [15:13:33] <jsqkldhf> I just installed my new dedicated server with a fresh new debian 9.4
2169 [15:13:53] <jsqkldhf> i want to install the websites (running python 2.7) on it
2170 [15:14:05] <thnee> Did you christen it with a bottle of champagne too?
2171 [15:14:30] <annadane> soon to be crusty old 9.4 and fresh new 9.5 :P
2172 [15:14:31] * msl09 didn't know it was a necessary part of the ritual
2173 [15:14:33] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: I don't see a problem yet.
2174 [15:15:18] <Batfly> ok, I try in #freenode, thanks
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2176 [15:15:41] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: so i need to install python 2.7 and i also want to do "pip install ..." without having to prefix pip2.7 install thisandthis all the time
2177 [15:16:02] <jsqkldhf> *without having to suffix 2.7 all the time
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2180 [15:16:14] <thnee> jsqkldhf: I already told you the answer, use tools like virtualenv
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2182 [15:16:53] <annadane> apt install virtualenv, (exit root) virtualenv <name>, source <name>/bin/activate, pip install <name of program>
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2185 [15:17:48] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: python 2.7 is the default python. And also pip by default runs as python2.7.
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2187 [15:18:11] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: Are you experiencing something contradicting?
2188 [15:18:12] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: on 9.4? it seems it is not installed
2189 [15:18:44] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: it seems it's not the default and it's not installed at all (only 3.5 is installed)
2190 [15:18:58] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: How did you install the server?
2191 [15:19:10] <petn-randall> I just checked, python2.7 isn't essential, either.
2192 [15:19:22] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: what do you mean by essential?
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2194 [15:19:53] <jsqkldhf> i installed by choosing Debian 9.4 by my server provider, they deployed it
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2196 [15:20:11] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: Removing essential packages would throw an error or when forced break your system.
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2202 [15:20:30] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: oh ok
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2204 [15:20:45] <petn-randall> jsqkldhf: Ah, in that case they probably don't provision python 2.7. You can just run 'apt install python2.7' and you done.
2205 [15:20:50] <jimm> petn-randall, well it's mainly because debian has pakaging ownership rules, so there's not just that you shouldn't do (in order to keep your debian system happy), but there's also a lot more you shouldhn/'t dofor similar reasons
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2207 [15:22:03] <msl09> of course the ultimate-mega-power solution is pipenv and pyenv but it's a different can of worms
2208 [15:22:09] <petn-randall> jimm: If you run pip install --system as root, it will happily overwrite files owned by the system, and when you installed package updates you'll end up in an undefined state. And fixing that is a PITA. Which is why we don't really support it other than recommending to reinstall.
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2212 [15:22:33] <jsqkldhf> petn-randall: apt install python2.7 installed it succesfully. but "python" isn't still recognized. should i do a shortcut manually to python2.7?
2213 [15:22:50] <jsqkldhf> ln -s path/python path/python2.7 ?
2214 [15:22:51] <annadane> "which python"?
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2217 [15:23:05] <annadane> it should just be /usr/bin/python i guess
2218 [15:23:09] <jsqkldhf> annadane: which python => gives nothing
2219 [15:23:09] <Fox> jsqkldhf: use update-alternatives if you want to do that
2220 [15:23:23] <jimm> but, aay you have a venv womewhere outside /usr but still owned by root... it should be ok to run that copy of pip as root (and you wo't install modules to that venv without being root
2221 [15:23:28] <jelly> jsqkldhf: did you run "hash -r" or "rehash" in your shell to make it reread the contents of PATH
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2224 [15:23:35] <msl09> it's pretty much necessary for python deployment unless if you use docker arora
2225 [15:23:36] <jsqkldhf> : /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
2226 [15:23:37] <jelly> jsqkldhf: ls -ld /usr/bin/python
2227 [15:23:49] <thnee> jsqkldhf: Why do ou ask the same question over and over expecting a different answer? Do NOT change the global python version. Do NOT overwrite operating system files
2228 [15:23:55] <annadane> jimm i find the best approach is just basically to tell people not to do things unless they specifically need to for x niche case
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2230 [15:23:58] <msl09> specially if you use some compiled stuff like numpy
2231 [15:24:03] <jsqkldhf> thnee: there is NO global python version :)
2232 [15:24:29] <jelly> jsqkldhf: what does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/python" say?
2233 [15:24:32] <jsqkldhf> thnee: it's not asking the same quesiton, it's probably a misunderstanding: there is no global "python". which python gives nothing
2234 [15:24:53] <jsqkldhf> jelly: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/python
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2236 [15:25:07] <jsqkldhf> running "python2.7" or "python3.5" works, though
2237 [15:25:09] <jelly> jsqkldhf: then you did not install "python2.7" package, or this isn't Debian 9
2238 [15:25:24] <jelly> jsqkldhf: or you installed using --without-recommends
2239 [15:25:31] <annadane> you said "someone else set it up for me" basically
2240 [15:25:34] <annadane> so... hm.
2241 [15:25:45] <jelly> jsqkldhf: install "python-minimal" manually if the latter.
2242 [15:25:50] <jsqkldhf> jelly: i did precisely: apt install python2.7
2243 [15:25:54] <jsqkldhf> a few minutes ago
2244 [15:25:55] <jelly> s/manually//
2245 [15:25:56] <arora> How much does it cost to maintain a server?
2246 [15:25:58] <arora> I wonder
2247 [15:26:00] <annadane> cat /etc/debian_version?
2248 [15:26:05] <thnee> jsqkldhf: Just because you broke your OS installation doesnt mean you get to tell me how Debian works. There is a global Python. Stop trying to convince me there isnt when you are the one asking for help
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2250 [15:26:10] <jelly> arora: depends on support level
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2253 [15:26:32] <jsqkldhf> thnee: broke my OS install? it's a fresh Debian 9.4 install
2254 [15:26:43] <jsqkldhf> i have done nothing at all
2255 [15:26:46] <jsqkldhf> on it yet
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2257 [15:26:56] <thnee> jsqkldhf: jsqkldhf | ln -s path/python path/python2.7
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2259 [15:27:16] <jelly> jsqkldhf: if you have output of that "apt install python2.7", pastebin it. It shouldn't be easy to install that one without python-minimal
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2261 [15:27:20] <arora> jelly: What about a personal server?
2262 [15:27:27] <jsqkldhf> thnee: *i haven't* done it, i just asked for advice before doing it
2263 [15:27:40] <jsqkldhf> i have done nothing except install the OS, and "apt install python 2.7"
2264 [15:27:45] <jelly> arora: same answer. It might be $100 a month, it might be $500
2265 [15:27:55] <arora> oh
2266 [15:27:57] <jelly> arora: it might be based on hours of work
2267 [15:28:03] <thnee> jsqkldhf: You came here asking how to change the default version of python, then you start talking about linking over operating system files. Why are you surpised that I think you did it
2268 [15:28:29] <Caretaker13> Hi! Just upgraded from stretch to buster, changing entries in /etc/apt/sources.list from "stretch" to "buster". Seemed to go okay. but should I leave it like that, or change the entries from "buster" to "testing", so that it will continue to track testing after buster becomes the new stable? Opinions?
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2270 [15:28:46] <jsqkldhf> thnee: sorry, my bad then. I don't want something exotical, i just want to be able to have "python" and "pip" accessible with 2.7
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2272 [15:28:51] <jelly> Caretaker13: leave it like that, and ask in
2273 [15:28:53] <jelly> !debian-next
2274 [15:28:54] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2275 [15:29:07] <thnee> jsqkldhf: So after all this, your actual question is "how do I install Python 2?"
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2278 [15:29:38] <afidegnum> hi, using debian 9, how do i restart the iptables?
2279 [15:29:40] <jsqkldhf> The following NEW packages will be installed: libpython2.7-minimal libpython2.7-stdlib python2.7 python2.7-minimal
2280 [15:29:46] <jsqkldhf> this is done ^ successfully
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2284 [15:30:20] <thnee> jsqkldhf: cat /etc/debian_version
2285 [15:30:28] <jsqkldhf> thnee: 9.4
2286 [15:30:31] <Caretaker13> dpkg, jelly: Okay. so this is just to talk about debian stable?
2287 [15:30:32] <dpkg> okay, Caretaker13
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2289 [15:30:44] <jelly> jsqkldhf: that seems sensible, but is not the complete output. If you want /usr/bin/python, install the "python" package, or at least "python-minimal"
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2293 [15:30:45] <annadane> - dpkg is just a bot ^
2294 [15:30:58] <annadane> and, yes
2295 [15:31:06] <annadane> #debian is for stable mainly
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2297 [15:31:40] <annadane> with buster, you track a codename. "testing" always tracks testing and results in nasty surprises when stable releases thus making a different release testing. just use codenames.
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2299 [15:31:53] <jsqkldhf> jelly: the package named "python-minimal" is it 3.5 or 2.7 ?
2300 [15:32:04] <jelly> Caretaker13: there are a lot more users with actual testing or unstable experience in -next and suggestions might differ depeding on whether someone is running testing, vs. stable or older
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2303 [15:32:32] <jsqkldhf> the packages python2.7 python2.7-minimal are installed. should I also isntall python-minimal?
2304 [15:32:38] <jsqkldhf> what is the difference between them?
2305 [15:32:43] <annadane> jsqkldhf, slow down
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2307 [15:32:47] <jelly> jsqkldhf: that one brings /usr/bin/python
2308 [15:32:51] <thnee> jsqkldhf: which python2
2309 [15:33:16] <Caretaker13> annadane, jelly: Okay, thanks. I'll check #debian-next at oftc.
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2311 [15:33:24] <jsqkldhf> thnee: nothing for which python2
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2313 [15:33:46] <thnee> jsqkldhf: execute that in a terminal
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2315 [15:33:51] <jelly> jsqkldhf: because that symlink is also in python-mininal
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2320 [15:34:11] <jsqkldhf> thnee: i did
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2322 [15:34:45] <thnee> jsqkldhf: what was the exact output?
2323 [15:34:47] <jelly> jsqkldhf: basically, if you want python2, the simplest thing to do is install the "python" metapackage
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2325 [15:35:03] <annadane> oh. jesus christ.
2326 [15:35:11] <annadane> TIL
2327 [15:35:36] <jsqkldhf> jelly: "apt install python-minimal" solved it: now: which python => /usr/bin/python => /usr/bin/python -> python2.7
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2333 [15:37:01] <jimm> annadane, about the python thing, I think it would be more correct to say "if you run pip as root, you could seriously damage your debian install as a whole"
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2335 [15:37:30] <annadane> it's also just good practice to stay away from the root account in general
2336 [15:37:47] <jsqkldhf> annadane: yes i know that
2337 [15:37:50] <jimm> yeah, that i true
2338 [15:38:28] <jimm> and, that's also a dist-wide thing
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2341 [15:39:56] <jimm> (for me, the advice would have been, 'if you're gonna be logged in as foot habitually, you better be -great- at the shell... and don't irc as root')
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2343 [15:40:15] <greycat> You should not be logged in as root habitually.
2344 [15:40:27] <greycat> Or probably not foot either.
2345 [15:40:51] <jimm> oh did I typo again
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2347 [15:41:20] <Something1> foot is a great username
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2351 [15:42:56] <jimm> greycat, those were the early days of linux, I was running slackware and a bunch of us were on the efnet #linux channel
2352 [15:43:52] <jsqkldhf> what is the current PHP version I should install on a new server?
2353 [15:43:58] <jsqkldhf> apt install php5 or a newer one?
2354 [15:44:11] <greycat> You still shouldn't have been logging in as root habitually, nor IRCing as root. No matter how long ago it was.
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2356 [15:44:25] <greycat> jsqkldhf: if you install current stable, there is only php 7.0
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2358 [15:45:19] <jsqkldhf> greycat: ok so apt install php7 would be the current recommended way?
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2361 [15:45:30] <greycat> It's more complicated than that, typically.
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2363 [15:45:43] <babilen> cli/fpm/...
2364 [15:45:48] <greycat> If you intend to use it via a web server, you choose either the -fpm daemon version, or the apache-module version.
2365 [15:46:08] <jsqkldhf> greycat: i remember that in the past apt install php5 did even install apache if not already isntalled
2366 [15:46:12] <jsqkldhf> iirc
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2368 [15:46:29] <babilen> What do you want to use it for?
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2372 [15:48:02] <jsqkldhf> babilen: typical usage for websites
2373 [15:48:05] <jsqkldhf> apache+php
2374 [15:48:36] <greycat> then you probably want libapache2-mod-php
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2376 [15:49:35] <babilen> jsqkldhf: My "typical for websites" is "nginx + fpm" which is why I asked, for Apache use ^
2377 [15:50:01] <greycat> But he specifically said apache, so libapache2-mod-php
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2383 [15:51:07] <epicmetal> How do I make /etc/asound.conf apply without rebooting?
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2385 [15:51:18] <babilen> greycat: Yes, the ^ refers to your "then you probably want libapache2-mod-php" (as in pointing upwards)
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2387 [15:51:36] <greycat> epicmetal: restart whatever program is reading it
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2398 [15:53:13] <jsqkldhf> greycat: so "apt install libapache2-mod-php" will install php7.0, apache2.4 etc. as dependances?
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2401 [15:54:00] <jelly> mod php isn't typical any more... go with php-fpm which at least can do per-user separation
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2403 [15:54:17] <greycat> I'd say apache isn't typical any more, but what do I know.
2404 [15:54:29] <jelly> that too, but it's good enough
2405 [15:54:32] * greycat is another who uses nginx + php-fpm by preference.
2406 [15:54:40] <jelly> right
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2408 [15:55:11] <jsqkldhf> hum right. I initially thought about "apt install apache2 php7.0 libapache2-mod-php7.0"
2409 [15:55:18] <epicmetal> greycat: apparently I have to reboot
2410 [15:55:30] <RoyK> I guess apache has had its time
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2413 [15:56:47] <jak2000> exist command, for ait 100 seconds? i want do this: #command1;wait 100 seconds;command2 how to do?
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2415 [15:57:06] <greycat> jak2000: sleep 100
2416 [15:57:18] <rtp2342> jak2000: command1 ; sleep 100 ; command2
2417 [15:57:22] <iateadonut> i had a bad block and was getting messages from dmesg (for quite some time, it seems) but i never saw them because i always login through X
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2420 [15:58:19] <jak2000> checking
2421 [15:58:37] <greycat> jak2000: "man sleep" if you need reassurance
2422 [15:58:40] <iateadonut> saw it recently when i ctrl-alt-f1'ed my way over there. it was slowing some stuff down - i'm wondering if there's an X module that tells you your dmesg stdout. or any universal stdout.
2423 [15:59:12] <greycat> iateadonut: there's "xterm -C" I guess... very old school
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2428 [16:00:39] <iateadonut> is it always dmesg that sends those messages to the stdout of all users? or could it have been something else?
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2430 [16:01:29] <greycat> Either the kernel or (r)syslogd has the ability to write "to the console", and xterm -C will receive message "from the console" if the stars align.
2431 [16:01:38] <iateadonut> main thing is, i want to see those messages. like if someone did 'shutdown -r 5 minutes from now' and it sends the message to all the terminals 'hey, we're going down!' - i'd want that to popup.
2432 [16:01:48] <greycat> Users who are logged in on /dev/tty* may also qualify as "console" and receive those.
2433 [16:02:10] <greycat> Writing to ALL logged-in terminals is a different thing.
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2436 [16:02:40] <iateadonut> when you do 'shutdown -r now', what is it that sends a message to everyone's stdout?
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2438 [16:03:21] <greycat> It's not stdout. It goes to all logged-in terminals.
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2440 [16:04:08] <greycat> *Some* of the detail is mentioned in wall(1) but not all.
2441 [16:04:25] <iateadonut> aha!
2442 [16:04:31] <iateadonut> thank you
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2444 [16:04:37] <r3> heh "if the stars align"
2445 [16:04:41] <greycat> This is all ancient stuff that predates X11.
2446 [16:05:02] <greycat> It is from the old days when everyone was connected by a serial line, either a hard-wired terminal, or a modem.
2447 [16:05:05] <r3> back when the 1's and 0's were carved from stone
2448 [16:05:11] <iateadonut> i mean, the main thing is, the 'wall' messages are pretty important it seems, so they should be shown on a popup on X.
2449 [16:05:57] <greycat> iateadonut: I *think* you can qualify as a "logged-in terminal" if you run "xterm -ls", which creates a login shell instead of a regular shell. Maybe. I don't know if that actually does the utmp/wtmp magic necessary.
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2452 [16:06:07] <rtp2342> iateadonut: the wall(1) like shutdown messages has nothing to do with *kernel* messages. if you want to suppress kernel messages on a console, you have to change console loglevel with "dmesg -nLEVEL".
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2454 [16:06:57] <rtp2342> iateadonut: for example "dmesg -n1" filters all kernel messages except panic
2455 [16:07:13] <rtp2342> iateadonut: from being spilled to console
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2457 [16:07:25] <greycat> So, going back to the Days Of Olde, everyone was on a terminal which was connected to a specific serial port, but ONE terminal was special, and that one is called the "console", and it's the one that has special privileges and gets the system messages and so on. Because that's where the admin is.
2458 [16:07:51] <greycat> Very often, you could only login directly as root on the console, not on the other terminals, etc.
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2460 [16:08:17] <rtp2342> yeah, /etc/securetty and stuff
2461 [16:08:25] <iateadonut> so perhaps the subject for my stackoverflow question would be: "show system messages in a popup on an X window manager"
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2463 [16:08:38] <greycat> So, medium-priority kernel and syslog messages go to "the console", which in Debian is the Linux virtual consoles + anything that gets marked as "a console", like an "xterm -C".
2464 [16:09:12] <greycat> High-priority or wall(1)/shutdown(8) messages may go to "all logged-in terminals", which are the ones that got registered in utmp/wtmp, so not EVERY xterm gets it.
2465 [16:09:14] <iateadonut> i fixed the bad block now, though, so it's hard for me to test. a bad block message would have come from dmesg?
2466 [16:09:28] <greycat> Or you could just ignore me.
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2468 [16:09:38] <iateadonut> (i will keep xterm -C open for a while)
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2470 [16:10:04] <rtp2342> iateadonut: yes, the bad block thing very likely comes as a kernel message
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2472 [16:10:32] <rtp2342> iateadonut: just run the "dmesg" command without parameters and check
2473 [16:10:33] <iateadonut> the thing is i want xterm -C to open automatically when such messages are sent. not just keep it open. if i could remember to do that i could also just ctrl-alt-f1 over there all the time.
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2475 [16:11:04] <rtp2342> iateadonut: i keep running root-tail for this purpose
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2481 [16:12:03] <rtp2342> iateadonut: it displays several logfiles in a "tail -f ..." manner on the root window
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2485 [16:12:54] <greycat> At the end of /etc/rsyslog.conf I have "# Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in." "*.emerg :omusrmsg:*"
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2487 [16:13:43] <greycat> Testing with "echo testing | logger -p emerg" actually did send it to ALL of my terminals, which was unexpected.
2488 [16:14:25] <greycat> "Broadcast message from systemd-journald@wooledg ..."
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2490 [16:14:57] <ayekat> hi - is there a way to get the data type for a debconf option displayed with `debconf-show {pkgname}`? I'm trying to find out how I need to tell d-i to set a specific keyboard layout variant
2491 [16:15:03] <greycat> I guess things have changed a bit in the systemd world.
2492 [16:15:34] <ayekat> (i.e. whether it's a string or a selection)
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2495 [16:17:17] <iateadonut> rtp2342, so maybe i can root-tail /var/log/dmesg and have that pipe into xmessage...
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2497 [16:17:46] <iateadonut> that sounds like it'd send a lot of messages on startup though. but i guess i won't be logged in yet.
2498 [16:17:52] <rtp2342> iateadonut: no, just run root-tail on that file. no need to pipe that to anything.
2499 [16:18:04] <iateadonut> greycat, neat. checking that out...
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2503 [16:18:41] <iateadonut> rtp2342, i want this to be automatic, though... when something appears, open up a console for me. running this in the background.
2504 [16:18:50] <iateadonut> (this is for a deskop with X, not a server)
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2515 [16:22:24] <iateadonut> thanks, guys
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2519 [16:24:09] <r3> greycat++
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2522 [16:24:40] <r3> I didn't know about root-tail so will squirrel that nugget away for later when needed on X
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2526 [16:27:38] <greycat> ... oh god, all of my terminals show up under "who". Well, that explains why syslogd found them all.
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2542 [16:32:49] <rtp2342> greycat: in the old days xterm was running sgid to manipulate utmp/wtmp. now this is done by libutempter and its sgid helper binary.
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2544 [16:33:16] <greycat> (I'm using rxvt-unicode)
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2547 [16:33:30] <rtp2342> greycat: okay, maybe rxvt is using libutempter as well
2548 [16:33:36] <greycat> (which is ... setgid utmp)
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2550 [16:33:42] <rtp2342> wow
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2553 [16:35:10] <greycat> And the man page says that the "utmpInhibit" option which would STOP it from doing that is off by default. In other words, it writes to utmp by default, even for a non-login-shell instance. :-/
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2559 [16:37:04] <r3> replaced-url
2560 [16:37:14] <r3> oh heck, sorry, please ignore that
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2569 [16:40:13] <shtrb> any one who understand ModemManager around ?
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2573 [16:40:44] <shtrb> Any one here have an idea how to drop modemmanger state change to sim not when it is really there or to use a different port ?
2574 [16:40:53] <shtrb> *sim not found
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2588 [16:45:34] <xav1us> how do I install openssl 1.1 dev libs in debian 9?
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2590 [16:45:55] <greycat> libssl-dev
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2597 [16:47:56] <xav1us> greycat: doesn't it install 1.0 instead? :|
2598 [16:48:02] <greycat> No, that's libssl1.0-dev
2599 [16:48:11] <xav1us> :|
2600 [16:48:16] <xav1us> I am confused now.
2601 [16:48:28] <greycat> ,info libssl-dev
2602 [16:48:29] <judd> Package libssl-dev (libdevel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - development files. Version: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; Size: 1537.8k; Installed: 6885k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2604 [16:49:19] <xav1us> i see..
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2623 [16:57:06] <xav1us> greycat: does it contain 1.0 shared objects as well? Or that's only for libss1.0-dev :\ I just don't get why I have this libssl-dev installed in debian 9 docker image, showing openssl version as 1.1.0f and still not capable to compile code with calls to 1.1.0 interfaces while 1.0 work just fine :S
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2625 [16:57:23] <greycat> shared object files are in the NON -dev packages, libssl1.0 and libssl1.1
2626 [16:57:35] <greycat> those can coexist just fine
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2628 [16:57:51] <greycat> only ONE of the -dev packages can be installed. libssl-dev conflicts with libssl1.0-dev
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2630 [16:58:44] <xav1us> greycat: ah I see.And dev packages contain what, headers only?
2631 [16:58:54] <greycat> headers and .a (static libs) typically
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2633 [16:59:25] <xav1us> Aha, I see where it goes now.
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2643 [17:03:53] <xav1us> Oh, I see now it was a different container. A real one was 14.04 trusty, and libssl-dev are of 1.0.1f version, that's why it didn't work at all :| My problem is now out of scope of debian distro, sorry for confusion.
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2702 [17:42:23] <gkwhc1> hey guys, anyone use terminal with fake transparency? i tried out urxvt with fake transparency but whenever i move the window around, there is a delay in rendering the background/transparenc
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2719 [17:49:07] <jelly> gkwhc1: that's normal with fake transparency
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2721 [17:49:45] <babilen> gkwhc1: Years ago, I used xcompmgr for transparency/shadows and whatnot, but decided that it distracts from the actual content of the windows and abandoned that
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2724 [17:50:04] <babilen> Maybe that tool is working still (or has been replaced by something new and awesome)
2725 [17:50:13] <jelly> also, randr-based xcompmgr compositing is S. L. O. W.
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2728 [17:50:42] <babilen> Is there something new and hipster these days?
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2731 [17:51:30] <jelly> kde and gnome have their own compositor. One can use compton with xfce or a plain wm
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2733 [17:52:03] <jelly> and then use real alpha transparency with rxvt-unicode
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2737 [17:53:39] <babilen> Yes, compton was the one I had in mind. Thanks!
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2739 [17:54:12] <jelly> grep URxvt.background ~/.Xresources
2740 [17:55:07] <jelly> URxvt.background: rgba:0000/0000/0000/eeee
2741 [17:55:24] <jelly> (read about ALPHA CHANNEL in the manual)
2742 [17:55:39] <jelly> gkwhc1: ^
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2745 [17:56:18] <jelly> works if you have good, not buggy OpenGL-based compositing
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2753 [17:58:38] <bittin_> good man Mozilla inviting me to a meeting i am not allowed to watch :D
2754 [17:58:43] <gkwhc1> jelly: hm is there a way to have it render while dragging the window?
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2756 [17:59:48] <jelly> gkwhc1: no idea. best use non-fake if possible
2757 [18:00:01] <gkwhc1> i actually dont want true transparency which show all the windows underneath it. would just like it to go transparent to the wallpaper
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2760 [18:00:18] <jelly> how much work do you do while dragging windows?
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2762 [18:00:20] <shtrb> bittin_, what have happened ?
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2764 [18:00:32] <gkwhc1> jelly: what do you mean?
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2766 [18:00:37] <bittin_> shtrb: automatic mail that did not have check of that my Mozilla NDA has expired
2767 [18:01:03] <jelly> gkwhc1: is it a significant amount of time spent?
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2771 [18:02:09] <jelly> I'm hinting it might be a silly thing to spend more than 5 minutes trying to make it work, since you don't usually do it the whole time
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2773 [18:02:23] <gkwhc1> jelly: its just rather visually annoyting, because you know the background is supposed to change wihle dragging, but it stays the same
2774 [18:02:36] <jelly> yes. that's why it's called fake
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2779 [18:03:33] <gkwhc1> jelly: but true transparency shows all the windows behind the current one, right?
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2781 [18:04:02] <jelly> yes
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2785 [18:04:17] <gkwhc1> so is "native" the one i want, where it renders the wallpaper?
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2787 [18:04:53] <RoyK> wtf - Unable to connect to libvirt.
2788 [18:04:54] <RoyK> no connection driver available for qemu:///system
2789 [18:05:10] <RoyK> I got this after upgrading kernel to 4.9 (from 4.1 - jessie)
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2791 [18:05:20] <SerajewelKS> i'm attempting to live-grow a / volume stored on a disk with a gpt label. i've used fdisk to delete and recreate the partition as normal, but i get this message after creating the new (larger) partition: "Partition #2 contains a ext4 signature. The signature will be removed by a write command."
2792 [18:05:28] <RoyK> can't find any VMs - virsh list is empty
2793 [18:05:32] <SerajewelKS> this makes it sound like writing the new partition table will destroy the ext4 volume
2794 [18:05:32] <RoyK> virsh list -a the same
2795 [18:05:44] <jelly> gkwhc1: you could use true transparency (with alpha channel or not), and use workspaces, virtual desktops, what have you, and keep each urxvt with its activity on its separate desktop where nothing will stand between the background and the terminal emulator windows
2796 [18:05:51] <SerajewelKS> what's the correct way to go about this? googling the message has returned irrelevant results (which surprises me)
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2798 [18:07:10] <SerajewelKS> is it sufficient to use --wipe=never?
2799 [18:07:59] <jelly> SerajewelKS: don't use fdisk, use parted, maybe?
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2802 [18:08:35] <jelly> sorry, I have no idea how fdisk' gpt support works, that's too new for me
2803 [18:08:49] <SerajewelKS> jelly: apparently it's -W never (-w is for raw devices, -W for partitions)
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2805 [18:08:56] <SerajewelKS> it never fails that i find the solution after asking
2806 [18:09:06] <SerajewelKS> been puzzling about this for 10 minutes
2807 [18:09:18] <jelly> why would it touch the _contents_ of a partition container at all?
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2813 [18:11:15] <jelly> that's why it's good to ask :-D
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2818 [18:15:21] <gkwhc1> jelly: yeah thats true!
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2820 [18:15:46] <rant> things are usually in the last place you look.. :P
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2830 [18:18:11] <SerajewelKS> jelly: the documentation for -W says: "Wipe filesystem, RAID and partition-table signatures from a newly created partitions, in order to avoid possible collisions."
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2834 [18:19:00] <SerajewelKS> that's their rationale... i guess the idea is if you're creating a new partition, you don't want raid/lvm/volume probes to find something there and do things with it automatically, because you're probably creating something new in its place
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2837 [18:19:26] <SerajewelKS> but it's a bit scary when you're extending a partition and almost destroy your volume because fdisk is trying to be smart
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2839 [18:19:43] <SerajewelKS> "-W never" disables the behavior. TIL.
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2869 [18:30:35] <Trel> When I run select-editor, it's not listing all options. I get nano, vim.gtk, vim.gtk3, and vim.tiny, I want just vim
2870 [18:30:50] <Trel> I know I can manually edit the file it generates
2871 [18:31:28] <Trel> Any idea why it doesn't show it?
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2875 [18:32:47] <Brigo> Trel, /usr/bin/vim is a link
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2879 [18:34:02] <Trel> I think I know what's up then, let me verify
2880 [18:34:41] <Trel> Yep, thanks vim wasn't installed directly.
2881 [18:34:48] <Trel> (which I think is vim.basic)
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2889 [18:37:49] <tyzef> hi ! i am trying to display the world cup with epiphany but it doesn't work due to HTML5 error, any idea?
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2900 [18:40:56] <gkwhc1> so im trying to downgrade pithos by apt-get install pithos=1.1.1-1, but it says version was not found. am i missing something?
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2906 [18:44:31] <jhutchins_wk> ,v pithos
2907 [18:44:32] <judd> Package: pithos on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.17-1; jessie: 0.3.17-3; buster: 1.1.2-1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch: 1.1.2-1
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2914 [18:47:57] <gkwhc1> judd: those are the current versions tho. what if i want to go older?
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2917 [18:48:47] <greycat> !snapshot
2918 [18:48:47] <dpkg> replaced-url
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2929 [18:51:18] <gkwhc1> greycat: yep thats where ive been looking! would i have to change anything in apt/conf? or do i just download binaries and install
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2933 [18:51:43] <greycat> download the .deb and then you are on your own. unsupported.
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2938 [18:54:55] <gkwhc1> hmm seems like there are alot of dependency issues :/
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3049 [19:59:07] <qswz> why are images so big? replaced-url
3050 [19:59:20] <qswz> 1.9GB for debian-lxde
3051 [19:59:35] <greycat> !netinst
3052 [19:59:35] <dpkg> i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
3053 [19:59:46] <qswz> oh
3054 [20:00:02] <qswz> thanks
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3056 [20:00:31] <jelly> qswz: because live OS is more useful with a full set of desktop env. apps
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3060 [20:00:57] <greycat> People still try to use a "live" image?!
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3089 [20:15:13] <rant> idk my recent experience with live install has led me to highly recommend against it in nearly all situations. It resulted in an install more than double the normal size with every lanuage package I never heard of, input helpers, custom terminals, internationalization packs for major apps like mozilla, libreoffice, special dictionaries and frontends, fonts, manpage translations..etc
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3091 [20:16:13] <rant> it rather blanket like policy, installed ever language imaginable rather than fine tune to a selected language
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3094 [20:18:21] <rant> for test driving, or more easily partitioning or prepping an install, or rescue.. sure.. but as an actual install media.. the debian live are lacking IMHO
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3096 [20:20:01] <rant> from what I seen they dont even support just installing from live like most spinoffs do.. you gotta boot it in install mode which looks like but doesnt act quite like any other install media
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3127 [20:42:33] <RoyK> RebelCoder: I don't know which languages you know, but hey, see it as a possibility to learn something new :D
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3152 [20:53:11] <RebelCoder> RoyK, What ?
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3154 [20:54:39] <jelly> a miscompletion of nickname, you can ignore that rebel coder
3155 [20:55:12] <jelly> that message was meant for someone else starting with R
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3159 [20:57:55] <RoyK> rant: erm, tht was for you ;)
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3163 [20:59:35] <rant> yeah idk thats the way to go about it :P
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3268 [22:12:28] <KaffeeJunky123> hm, my chromium does not want to play back anything in html5 video tags
3269 [22:13:06] <KaffeeJunky123> and it's supposed to be compiled with proprietary codecs enabled and all, I checked the source package
3270 [22:13:22] <KaffeeJunky123> what do I do now :<
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3296 [22:26:38] <jhutchins_wk> !chromium
3297 [22:26:38] <dpkg> Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Ask me about <pepper flash>. replaced-url
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3304 [22:30:17] <KaffeeJunky123> jhutchins_wk: so I should ask in #chromium-support?
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3308 [22:32:54] <KaffeeJunky123> maybe I need to ditch chromium after all these years :<
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3343 [22:55:42] <jhutchins_wk> KaffeeJunky123: Well, you don't seem to be getting a response here, so I'd at least try.
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