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• 28[00:17:55] <rant> that'd be ¿hablas inglés? unless you were being formal then it'd be ¿habla usted inglés?
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• 38[00:28:06] <bletch_> hi, why can I not find this package anywhere? replaced-url
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• 40[00:28:57] <themill> If it's still listed in NEW then it's still in NEW
• 41[00:29:00] <RoyK> rant: what is that "usted" bit?
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• 43[00:29:31] <bletch_> themill: where is NEW, and can I get it anywhere? I can't find it in experimental either.
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• 46[00:30:14] <themill> no
• 47[00:30:29] <rant> RoyK: its a formal "you" tu/usted mean the same thing its just a matter of formality and conjugation of the verb. Usted form is same as el/ella
• 48[00:31:16] <bletch_> Oh, I see how it is now, guess it's a timely process then. Thanks themill, I've never seen the NewQueue stuff before.
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• 51[00:33:24] <rant> just figured I'd mention it since channel was slow and its horribly gramatically incorrect to say "habla inglese?" cause there is no ¿, inglese isn't a word, and usted generally isnt implied like tu, else it wouldnt be quite formal.. so the verb was cojugated wrong :P
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• 54[00:35:40] <afidegnum> hi, can anyone please explain this traffic ? using nethogs, this is what i m getting replaced-url
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• 90[01:06:28] <msiism> the standard ~/.bashrc file in debian has a case statement at the beginning that is apprently there to prevent the file from being read when bash is not run interactively. but why would this be needed when ~/.bashrc is defined as "the individual per-interactive-shell startup file" (man bash)?
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• 97[01:08:23] <msiism> also, if i understand those 3 lines right, they won't have any effect whatsoever.
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• 99[01:08:35] <msiism> s/3/4
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• 108[01:13:40] <msiism> ok, 'return' exists a script if it is sourced, i see. so, it does have an effect. but why is it needed?
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• 110[01:13:52] <msiism> s/exists/exits
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• 127[01:27:20] <msiism> ok, question answered: replaced-url
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• 145[01:36:43] <Kurogane> how i can delete a directory via ftp cli?
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• 149[01:39:34] <rant> Kurogane: rmdir
• 150[01:39:40] <rant> Kurogane: man ftp
• 151[01:40:14] <Kurogane> yes but give me this error: 550 Can't remove directory: Directory not empty
• 152[01:40:26] <rant> imagine that
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• 154[01:40:55] <Kurogane> ?
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• 213[02:17:44] <catz> Hello, is there a way to mount and access my LUKS crypted HD via caja/nautilus as normal user in i3? when i enter my password it says not authorized to perform operation. in mate it's just working fine.
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• 219[02:21:59] <craftyguy> has anyone had issues with the past few weekly netinst testing ISOs when trying to load e1000, igb, and igbe (and probably other ethernet) drivers? I get a 'unknown symbol refcount_inc'
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• 221[02:25:41] <rant> catz: not sure which piece is responsible for this but I know the mate/gnome-settings-daemon is responsible for things like icon themes and such, and it probably relies on gvfsd for various things. if you're going to use a filemanager from a more bloated DE you gotta run the support applications it needs to work
• 222[02:26:23] <rant> catz: try starting those things, see what happens, and if need be add them to your session
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• 234[02:34:15] <catz> rant: thanks, i started mate-settings-daemon but still the same issue. i would rather not use caja though, do you know a filebrowser that can mount and access the hd as normal user?
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• 265[02:57:00] <rant> catz: no, I dont.. of the two things I mentioned you only tried the one less likely to have anything to do with your issue :P
• 266[02:57:20] <rant> gvfsd is for managing filesystems
• 267[02:57:57] <rant> catz: any filemanager would need some sort of backend to handle this sort of thing
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• 299[03:19:42] <queso> Does Debian support WQHD displays?
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• 476[05:20:40] <heston> hello, not sure if for what it's worth but the solution to getting xfce to stop locking me out of my computer with a blank screen is to replace light-locker with xscreensaver
• 477[05:21:14] <deicide-> my laptop
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• 479[05:21:23] <deicide-> doesn't get into screensaver
• 480[05:21:37] <heston> are you running xfce?
• 481[05:21:43] <deicide-> i think
• 482[05:21:49] <deicide-> ye
• 483[05:21:55] <Sveta> heston, i think there is a config utility for lightdm
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• 485[05:22:07] <heston> xscreensaver was removed as the default for lightdm in stretch
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• 487[05:22:25] <heston> there isnt a screensaver installed unless you install one
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• 489[05:23:16] <deicide-> which screensaver is recommended to install
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• 492[05:23:21] <heston> Sveta, what would I do with the config utility? light-locker was failing randomly
• 493[05:23:39] <deicide-> thing is, it doesn't even get into locking screen unless i close the lid
• 494[05:23:41] <heston> deicide-, xscreensaver isnt very pretty but it does the job well
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• 496[05:23:50] <deicide-> i just need black screen
• 497[05:23:59] <Sveta> heston: oh i didn't know it was random
• 498[05:24:01] <Sveta> heston: in this case i'd report a bug to the distribution as a matter of urgency
• 499[05:24:03] <heston> then just change your power saving settings
• 500[05:24:09] <deicide-> i did
• 501[05:24:14] <deicide-> its still not working
• 502[05:24:30] <Pusteblume> hello, how can i download (not install) a package including its dependencies?
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• 506[05:25:01] <heston> deicide-, where did you change them?
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• 510[05:25:59] <heston> when i mean xfce was locking me out with a blank screen was that it was impossible to get my screen back up and you can't change ttys
• 511[05:26:43] <heston> sometimes it would work, other times not
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• 617[06:36:55] <deicide-> oh fucking great now it suspends the system when watching a stream
• 618[06:37:17] <deicide-> apparently watching video is inactivity
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• 621[06:37:51] <Sveta> i have this issue with kde, it starts showing a black screen in the middle of a youtube
• 622[06:38:09] <Sveta> but i didn't investigate screensaver properties or what screensaver i'm using - once this is done, a bug may be reported
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• 628[06:40:10] <deicide-> shit like this is why i hate linux
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• 631[06:41:47] <jak2000> strange, why: replaced-url
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• 680[07:33:29] <deicide-> how do i stop it from charging? like having charge threshold
• 681[07:33:41] <deicide-> i had it work and all of a sudden it doesn't work anymore
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• 877[09:42:38] <michael2> I keep getting this error when connecting to bluetooth: "Connection Failed: blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not available..." and here is output of `systemctl restart bluetooth.service' replaced-url
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• 897[09:49:56] <FightingFalcon> hi, how could i add ppa:ondrej/php repository directly to the sources.list file?
• 898[09:50:40] <michael2> you need to url to the repo and the archive you want
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• 900[09:50:59] <michael2> you need the url I mean
• 901[09:51:05] <FightingFalcon> yes, whats the url?
• 902[09:51:27] <Fox> FightingFalcon: are you using debian or ubuntu ? ppa is for ubuntu
• 903[09:51:34] <FightingFalcon> debian
• 904[09:52:39] <FightingFalcon> i need to install php7.2-fpm
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• 906[09:53:19] <Fox> what version of debian ? strech ?
• 907[09:53:21] <FightingFalcon> yes
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• 909[09:54:02] <Fox> echo "deb replaced-url
• 910[09:54:10] <Fox> as root, or via sudo
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• 912[09:54:28] <FightingFalcon> could i add this directly to sources.list file in the main folder?
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• 914[09:54:54] <Fox> sure you can, I just like to separate stuff, but you can do as you want
• 915[09:54:58] <FightingFalcon> thank you
• 916[09:55:10] <Fox> you're welcome
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• 918[09:56:01] <Aebian> can someone give me an example of how I can run a command after su - <user> ? The problem here is that the command will only be found after the user's profile has loaded specific variables
• 919[09:56:41] <Sveta> Aebian, read 'man su', does it have an option to transfer the user's current env vars to the command?
• 920[09:56:43] <Fox> Aebian: do you have a specific example that does not work ?
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• 923[09:57:59] <michael2> does anyone know the command to check if there are any packages whose dependencies are not resolved?
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• 929[09:59:06] <Aebian> Fox: yes, I tried ``su - otadmin -c 'dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin' // So the command is dsclient with three arguments
• 930[09:59:25] <Aebian> Sveta: I will check
• 931[09:59:26] <Fox> Aebian: and the output of the command is ?
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• 933[10:01:02] <Aebian> replaced-url
• 934[10:01:05] <Fox> michael2: I usually "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii"
• 935[10:01:06] <Aebian> command not found
• 936[10:01:15] <Aebian> and I don't even get user switched
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• 938[10:01:35] <FightingFalcon> Fox, the latest version of Curl is 7.6 but debian package provides 7.52 only. Do you know the repository address to 7.6?
• 939[10:02:08] <michael2> Fox: thanks
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• 941[10:02:35] <michael2> FightingFalcon: why dont you install from debian repository?
• 942[10:02:41] <Fox> Aebian: you should read the man as said by Sveta, specially the part that talks about ENV_PATH
• 943[10:02:43] <FightingFalcon> older version
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• 948[10:04:20] <Fox> FightingFalcon: no, sorry
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• 953[10:07:53] <Aebian> I'm looking at it but I don't understand. Can take -p (or -m) arugments to link to an existing .profile or similiar? Because the man-page tells that the parameter resets the variables or preserves the variables of the current user session
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• 999[10:54:02] <Aebian> I even tried to use a sleep before the actual command but also then it is not working. Also tried the -l (LOGIN) option but normale just - should do the trick
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• 1001[10:56:40] <jelly> FightingFalcon: do you _need_ curl 7.60 ?
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• 1003[10:56:49] <Fox> Aebian: did you try su -m user -c command ?
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• 1008[11:02:12] <FightingFalcon> thanks, i've installed it
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• 1010[11:03:27] <Aebian> Fox: yes, replaced-url
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• 1012[11:04:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1607
• 1013[11:05:26] <Fox> Aebian: in fact I don't know what dsclient is, are you sure you're not trying to execute dhclient ?
• 1014[11:05:45] <Fox> oh, it's for AD
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• 1016[11:06:41] <Fox> Aebian: what does `type dsclient` say ?
• 1017[11:07:28] <Aebian> yes, dsclient is correct --> replaced-url
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• 1019[11:08:04] <Aebian> but that program is not part of /usr/bin or generally /bin. Thats why the user .profile needs to be loaded first
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• 1021[11:08:32] <Fox> maybe you should just copy/paste the result here 11:03 Aebian: Fox: yes, replaced-url
• 1022[11:08:33] <Aebian> so the ENV variable will be set so it is in fact in the PATH variable and recognized by the user
• 1023[11:08:37] <Fox> 11:04 --- debhelper sets modes [#debian +l 1607] AfroThun~
• 1024[11:08:40] <Fox> 11:05 Fox: Aebian: in fact I don't know what dsclient is, are you sure you're not trying to execute dhclient ? afx237
• 1025[11:08:43] <Fox> oh, sorry...
• 1026[11:09:09] <Fox> just c/c here replaced-url
• 1027[11:09:28] <Fox> NXclient is such a pita sometimes...
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• 1029[11:11:05] <Aebian> replaced-url
• 1030[11:11:18] <Aebian> well there you go if thats what you are looking for
• 1031[11:11:20] <Fox> ok
• 1032[11:12:43] <Fox> su - otadmin -c "source ~/.profile && dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin"
• 1033[11:13:09] <Aebian> replaced-url
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• 1035[11:13:27] <Fox> or su - otadmin -c "/sw/OT/AC_16.2.0/bin/dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin"
• 1036[11:13:35] <Aebian> bingo
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• 1038[11:13:38] <Aebian> su - otadmin -c "source ~/.profile && dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin"
• 1039[11:13:39] <Aebian> works
• 1040[11:13:57] <Fox> I'm sure there's a better solution, but a least it works
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• 1043[11:14:59] <Aebian> well the profile will be loaded soo thats fine. Thats an acceptable workaround
• 1044[11:15:16] <Aebian> never tought about sourcing the .profile manually lol
• 1045[11:15:52] <jelly> which login shell does "otadmin" user have?
• 1046[11:16:45] <jelly> perhaps that shell does not use .profile
• 1047[11:17:10] <Aebian> it has the z-shell and that .zshrc sources the .profile
• 1048[11:18:16] <Aebian> replaced-url
• 1049[11:18:17] <jelly> you should probably read the manual and put env. vars in .zshenv
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• 1053[11:20:39] <jelly> and perhaps avoid customizing shells for users that run services
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• 1059[11:23:15] <SeductiveShark> Hi, I ordered a couple of ancients laptops, because I have no life and nobody to spend it on, one of them, a Dell Inspiron 510m has (I *think), an Intel Extreme Graphics 2 iGPU.... I was wondering... would Debian's X.org serer and/or Mesa work with this card?
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• 1063[11:24:43] <pingfloyd> do they do color?
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• 1065[11:25:46] <Aebian> our Installation guide even refers to ksh instead of bash so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I know that .zshenv should be filled with env variables but our software is only familiar with ksh or bash and takes arguments from the .profile ^^ So I just sourced it since for some reason ksh does not have a command history and instead creates chars like [^A or similiar
• 1066[11:25:58] <SeductiveShark> Pretty sure it does color, as the Intel Extreme G 2 could run Halo 1/Combat Evolved on XP back in the day
• 1067[11:26:09] <Aebian> and even then, its just a test system so no critical action there
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• 1074[11:27:10] <JyZyXEL> how does one get log output from a custom initramfs-tools hook?
• 1075[11:27:42] <SeductiveShark> Ah. I've checked replaced-url
• 1076[11:27:52] <SeductiveShark> Intel 855GM is supported it seems
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• 1078[11:28:08] <BanHammor> whether it will be fast is anyone's guess at this point
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• 1080[11:28:34] <BanHammor> I remember running Cinnamon on pentium-3-800, it wasn't fun.
• 1081[11:28:47] <SeductiveShark> I'm pretty sure it'll be fast enough for TWM, BanHammor :P
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• 1088[11:31:33] <BanHammor> sure. You might have some slowdowns with modern browsers and websites, modern creative software, etc too
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• 1096[11:34:46] <SeductiveShark> lynx, irrsi, rtorrent, vim, mc, gdebi, sc, mplayer, wicd-curses, nethack
• 1097[11:34:55] <SeductiveShark> I'll be okay BanHammor :P
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• 1101[11:36:44] <SeductiveShark> Oh.. htop, jnettop and iotop too
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• 1103[11:38:46] <p0g0_> fwiw,swapping in a SSD for the HD in old laptops helps the terrapin speed issues a little.
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• 1105[11:39:43] <SeductiveShark> p0g0_, hold on while I save $200 for a PATA SSD
• 1106[11:39:44] <SeductiveShark> Lol
• 1107[11:40:29] <p0g0_> eh, less than half that, but yes, they do cost $.
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• 1149[12:09:58] <FinalX> p0g0_: the other guy left already, but kingspec has pretty good and cheap pata ssd's (ebay) :) it's far less than "half that", more like a quarter or less :)
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• 1199[12:46:04] <Plasmoduck> I'm trying to remember the name of this software I used to use, it's CLI based and runs in a TTY console. It's a system monitor software that show all kinds of sysinfo like cpu info, ram, hdd, processes, network traffic etc. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
• 1200[12:46:25] <Plasmoduck> I think it might be glances?
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• 1203[12:49:14] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: 'atop' maybe?
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• 1213[12:57:42] <deicide-> how do i keep debian from going to sleep when i'm watching stuff
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• 1215[12:58:03] <petn-randall> deicide-: Which DE are you using?
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• 1218[13:01:32] <Plasmoduck> petn-randall: nah, it was glances. Love this app
• 1219[13:01:46] <Plasmoduck> petn-randall: you ever seen/used it?
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• 1222[13:02:20] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: Not yet, will test it, though.
• 1223[13:02:21] <Plasmoduck> It's Curses-based
• 1224[13:02:27] <petn-randall> deicide-: Desktop environment
• 1225[13:03:35] <Plasmoduck> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 1226[13:03:38] <deicide-> xfe
• 1227[13:04:01] <[E]sc> I'm running debian stretch and was playing urbanterror. unfortunately, the computer crashed while playing and now won't display anything on the monitor even after a reboot. i'm curious, since i'm currently strapped for cash, what's the likely hood it was the GPU that's causing this? i've tried removing and reseating the RAM, monitor was tested already. the keyboard lights up, and there's one beep but nothing on the monitor.
• 1228[13:04:52] <petn-randall> [E]sc: Could be the GPU died. Does the BIOS come up?
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• 1230[13:05:10] <deicide-> xfce*
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• 1235[13:07:46] <[E]sc> petn-randall, sadly nothing shows up on the monitor,..so i'm hoping it's something that won't cost me too much to diagnose since i don't have any spare parts to test with.
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• 1237[13:09:40] <petn-randall> deicide-: In that case you can either turn it off permanently in Settings -> Power Manager / Screensaver. Or install "caffeine", that just blocks the screensaver if something is running fullscreen.
• 1238[13:10:12] <deicide-> but i need screensaver
• 1239[13:10:35] <deicide-> just not when i watch stuff
• 1240[13:10:49] <petn-randall> deicide-: Then use "caffeine".
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• 1250[13:18:33] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: Ah, it's quite nice. I like atop a little better though. Might be because I'm used to its features :)
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• 1263[13:26:31] <deicide-> sudo apt-get caffeine does not work for me
• 1264[13:26:45] <deicide-> what rep do i need to add?
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• 1269[13:29:52] <babilen> judd: v caffeine
• 1270[13:29:53] <judd> Package: caffeine on amd64 -- stretch: 2.8.3-3; buster: 2.9.4-1; sid: 2.9.4-1
• 1271[13:30:01] <babilen> deicide-: Should be in the standard repositories
• 1272[13:30:04] <babilen> dpkg: bat
• 1273[13:30:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1274[13:30:13] <babilen> deicide-: ^ Could you provide this information?
• 1275[13:30:23] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
• 1276[13:30:23] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 1277[13:30:41] <babilen> That might come in handy too .. All information in a single pastebin would do nicely
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• 1279[13:31:53] <deicide-> e:invaild operation caffeine
• 1280[13:32:18] <deicide-> blah i forgot to add install
• 1281[13:32:23] <deicide-> after apt get
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• 1288[13:36:01] <deicide-> does it works automatic or i need to configure it?
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• 1291[13:37:04] <beepnboop-> sudo tlp setcharge 70 90 BAT0
• 1292[13:37:04] <beepnboop-> Error: ThinkPad extended battery functions not available.
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• 1294[13:37:45] <beepnboop-> i have the thinkpad thingy installed
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• 1326[13:59:10] <Logg> So, I have a disk that changes UUID frequently and also its device filename (/dev/sdX) changes. Is there any possible way to pin something down in /etc/fstab for it?
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• 1328[14:00:18] <colo-work> Logg, what? why would its UUID change?
• 1329[14:00:51] <Logg> it's a usb floppy controller. Apparently every floppy disk has a different UUID. because it's USB, it gets disconnected and may reconnect with different /dev/sdX
• 1330[14:01:03] <colo-work> yuck!
• 1331[14:01:08] <Logg> lol
• 1332[14:01:16] <colo-work> maybe /dev/disk/by-path/ is for you, then
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• 1334[14:01:45] <colo-work> or you could try a custom udev rule that pins that USBID onto a fixed device node
• 1335[14:01:55] <Logg> ooh
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• 1341[14:07:33] <MidTwitter> while we're on the topic of disks, anyone got hibernation to work alongside full disk LUKS encryption? or are they mutually exclusive
• 1342[14:08:10] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: Works fine with the default installation.
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• 1344[14:09:07] <MidTwitter> petn-randall: have you tried it with high % ram usage? mine works but is unreliable, even with enough swap space
• 1345[14:09:13] <MidTwitter> what kernel version are you using?
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• 1349[14:10:36] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: What error do you get?
• 1350[14:10:52] <petn-randall> Or rather, how does the problem show?
• 1351[14:11:24] <MidTwitter> just black screen on boot
• 1352[14:11:31] <MidTwitter> nothing gets written to the kernel log
• 1353[14:11:32] <beepnboop-> ?
• 1354[14:11:34] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: The hibernate part works?
• 1355[14:11:40] <MidTwitter> yep
• 1356[14:11:55] <MidTwitter> only happens when a significant % of the ram is used
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• 1358[14:12:12] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: I'd remove the "quiet" kernel parameter from grub and see where it hangs.
• 1359[14:12:25] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: But it generally works?
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• 1361[14:12:36] <MidTwitter> yea generally
• 1362[14:12:52] <MidTwitter> it's definitely not a problem with the swap being too small
• 1363[14:13:00] <MidTwitter> as the swap is the same size as the ram
• 1364[14:13:09] <MidTwitter> and the swap is at 0% when it happens
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• 1366[14:13:23] <MidTwitter> (before hibernation i mean)
• 1367[14:13:33] <MidTwitter> cool will try without quiet
• 1368[14:14:06] <Logg> /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:16.2-usb-0:1.3:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 is working. Thanks colo-work :)
• 1369[14:14:16] <colo-work> yw :)
• 1370[14:14:38] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: It generally should be larger than RAM, as you can already be using swap when you want to hibernate.
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• 1372[14:15:03] <MidTwitter> yea, makes sense
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• 1375[14:15:33] <petn-randall> However, it should /fail/ if the swap is too small, so I don't think that's the issue.
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• 1377[14:15:42] <petn-randall> fail hibernating, that is, not fail resuming.
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• 1380[14:16:21] <MidTwitter> true
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• 1382[14:16:52] <MidTwitter> doing a bit of googling it seems that hibernation is very hit-and-miss on debian systems
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• 1384[14:17:10] <MidTwitter> debian-based
• 1385[14:17:11] <MidTwitter> is it seen as somewhat of a low-priority?
• 1386[14:17:21] <MidTwitter> something that needs more contributors
• 1387[14:17:33] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: Not in my experience.
• 1388[14:17:38] <oo_miguel> I have a gtx980 and the nouveau module is inserted on boot. but I do not see anything in `dmesg` AND xrandr tells me only about one monitor with 640x480 resolution which is reflected in how X looks like. In fact I have 3 moniors with much higher resolutions. It works fine with the nvidia driver.
• 1389[14:17:42] <oo_miguel> What am I missing?
• 1390[14:18:02] <MidTwitter> cool
• 1391[14:18:02] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: However, if you're using nvidia kernel blobs, it's a hit-or-miss, as you're at the mercy of this company for caring about clean hibernate.
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• 1393[14:18:18] <MidTwitter> oh no i don't go near nvidia drivers
• 1394[14:18:54] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Don't see anything of what in `dmesg`?
• 1395[14:19:17] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: I expected that something will appear there on successfull insertion of the nouveau module.
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• 1397[14:19:38] <oo_miguel> like: successfully identified your NVIDIA gtx980 bla bla
• 1398[14:20:15] <oo_miguel> however it seems my nvidia is using this module, when I check with lspci -vv
• 1399[14:20:37] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Have you tried `dmesg | grep -i nouveau`?
• 1400[14:20:50] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: this is excatly what I tried
• 1401[14:20:55] <oo_miguel> and nothing shows up
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• 1403[14:21:49] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Do you have the non-free firmware? Maybe that kernel version doesn't support that card yet.
• 1404[14:22:18] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: oh I do not have any additional firmware
• 1405[14:22:45] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: but `lspci -v | grep nouveau -C 10` shows me the module next to my card
• 1406[14:22:56] <oo_miguel> not sure if this 'proofs' anything :P
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• 1408[14:25:54] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: That should mean it's using the driver. You'll need to install firmware-misc-nonfree, though, which likely contains the firmware for your card.
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• 1416[14:29:19] <oo_miguel> ah thank you. seems I need this extra firmware. :(
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• 1421[14:33:10] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: It works now?
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• 1423[14:34:26] <oo_miguel> hold on, I will reboot
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• 1434[14:37:33] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: hmm it still does not work... :P
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• 1438[14:38:20] <oo_miguel> I guess I will stick with the nvidia driver for a while.. I am also not fully satisfied with using nouveau, when it depends on some non-free binary blobs
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• 1442[14:39:47] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: thank you very for pointing me in the right direction (of missing non-free firmware)
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• 1447[14:40:20] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: You won't get around those binary firmware blobs. Maybe if you use Intel GPUs you can, though it's just a matter of time until the also use it.
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• 1465[14:51:36] <dibledydoo> hi all
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• 1469[14:52:39] <dibledydoo> on my debian 9 machine, after the grub handover to the kernel but before the session login screen there are two resolution changes as the kernel load screen runs its course
• 1470[14:53:06] <dibledydoo> does anyone know where this is handled and how that process works?
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• 1473[14:53:35] <dibledydoo> i am googling a ton on the boot process and how to configure grub but no one really seems to talk about how resolution changes are handled post grub
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• 1479[14:54:58] <petn-randall> dibledydoo: Is this causing an issue, or just general curiosity?
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• 1482[14:56:05] <dibledydoo> petn-randall: no issue at all, just curious. would like to see if i can get the system to more gracefully handle the process (lets sasy avoid the initial 640x480 resolution switch to 1920xwhatever) and add a background image or something to make it nicer
• 1483[14:57:37] <petn-randall> dibledydoo: Do you use nvidia drivers?
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• 1485[14:57:48] <dibledydoo> nope, intel
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• 1487[14:58:27] <petn-randall> dibledydoo: Ok, then it's possible. Set the correct resolution in /etc/default/grub, then it should work without a single resolution change.
• 1488[14:58:37] <dibledydoo> oh!
• 1489[14:59:02] <petn-randall> That's one of the switches, at least. There shouldn't™ be a 2nd one, though.
• 1490[14:59:38] <dibledydoo> well lets give that a try
• 1491[14:59:50] <lmw> dibledydoo: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=1920x1080x32 .. GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
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• 1494[15:00:12] <lmw> I don't know if you need the x32, just try it out.
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• 1496[15:01:16] <lmw> dibledydoo: Don't forget to update-grub :)
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• 1498[15:01:29] <dibledydoo> lmw: that goes in /etc/default/grub file as well? or grub.cfg?
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• 1500[15:01:55] <lmw> /etc/default/grub . There should be a line already (GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD).
• 1501[15:02:14] <lmw> If you want to keep the same resolution in Linux like GRUB has just add the _LINUX=keep line too.
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• 1503[15:02:29] <dibledydoo> huh
• 1504[15:02:45] <dibledydoo> okay lets try that :)
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• 1509[15:05:28] <dibledydoo> well, lets see if i make it back ... or not!
• 1510[15:05:30] <dibledydoo> ha!
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• 1512[15:05:40] <dibledydoo> thank you very kindly for the tips, this helps
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• 1514[15:06:10] <lmw> You're welcome :)
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• 1568[15:54:47] <FightingFalcon> What settings should i use for my open file limit?
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• 1573[15:56:48] <Guest40574> How can we install http server?
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• 1575[15:57:48] <Guest40574> anyone?
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• 1578[15:58:20] <Brigo> Guest40574, apt get install nginx or apt install apache2 should be a good start
• 1579[15:58:28] <Brigo> ainchs
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• 1591[16:02:15] <Cork> os-prober seams to expect chroot to expose the outer mounts, as if it isn't it will included them in its list
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• 1593[16:02:31] <Cork> this breaks grub-mkconfig in a chroot in debian 9
• 1594[16:02:37] <Cork> anyone know of a workaround for that?
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• 1605[16:07:23] <rant> Cork: bind mount /dev and perhaps /proc and /sys inside the chroot
• 1606[16:07:37] <rant> so it can get a map of the devices
• 1607[16:07:44] <Cork> you mean after the chroot?
• 1608[16:07:48] <Cork> cause i am binding it
• 1609[16:07:56] <Cork> but the /proc/mounts are filtered
• 1610[16:08:12] <rant> beore/after is irrelevant
• 1611[16:08:27] <Cork> one min
• 1612[16:09:00] <rant> grub obviously does low-level stuff and can't work inside a chroot without access to the hw and info about it
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• 1615[16:09:20] <deicide-> can somone help me with tlp?
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• 1617[16:09:59] <rant> deicide-: ask a better question, allow dpkg to help..
• 1618[16:10:03] <rant> dpkg, ask
• 1619[16:10:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1620[16:10:19] <Cork> rant: replaced-url
• 1621[16:10:20] <deicide-> i did asked it like hour ago an was ignored
• 1622[16:10:24] <deicide-> rant
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• 1625[16:10:40] <rant> deicide-: I can backlog as I was here, but others may not have been
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• 1631[16:11:25] <rant> las confo from you I see was 2.5hrs ago and was related to caffeine
• 1632[16:11:44] <deicide-> trying to do this command: "sudo tlp setcharge 70 90 BAT0
• 1633[16:11:44] <deicide-> " and i'm getting this error: "Error: ThinkPad extended battery functions not available." but i have the thinkpad thingy installed so why do i get that error?
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• 1635[16:12:18] <rant> you may need to load a thinkpad specific kernel module to expose the interface that command uses
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• 1638[16:12:29] <petn-randall> deicide-: You need to compile a kernel module for that to work, it's documented.
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• 1640[16:13:13] <deicide-> but i had it working just fine, i don't get how all of a sudden it stopped working alltogether
• 1641[16:13:42] <rant> deicide-: do you offhand know the device node or such it accesses? it may be a permission issue, try it as root
• 1642[16:13:58] <rant> either that or maybe the module was loaded before and now its not
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• 1645[16:14:27] <deicide-> i tried to install it but its didnt do anything which means its already installed
• 1646[16:14:30] <rant> without you zooming out on the issue and providing more info about the hw and what you're trying to do, I can't even begin to know what to tell you
• 1647[16:14:46] <rant> there is a really good thinkpad wiki
• 1648[16:15:00] <deicide-> i'm trying to do battery threshold
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• 1651[16:15:09] <rant> installing a package and loading a kernel module are two toally different things
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• 1654[16:15:48] <beepnboop-> apt-get install tp-smapi-dkms acpi-call-dkms
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• 1656[16:15:55] <deicide-> ^this thing
• 1657[16:15:55] <rant> userland commands access the hardware through device nodes and /sys or /proc inerfaces which only exist when the modules are loaded in the kernel
• 1658[16:16:01] <deicide-> i already have it installed
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• 1661[16:16:13] <rant> doesn't mean its loaded :P
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• 1663[16:16:25] <petn-randall> I'm guessing a kernel update happened and the new kernel doesn't have the module compiled/loaded.
• 1664[16:16:25] <rant> or that you have permission to access it
• 1665[16:16:44] <deicide-> probablly petn-randall
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• 1667[16:17:04] <deicide-> anyway i'm a total noob, how can i get it to work again?
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• 1671[16:17:11] <bites> this one? lsmod | grep thinkpad_acpi
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• 1673[16:18:01] <beepnboop-> thinkpad_acpi 86016 1
• 1674[16:18:01] <beepnboop-> nvram 16384 1 thinkpad_acpi
• 1675[16:18:01] <beepnboop-> snd 86016 17 snd_compress,snd_hda_intel,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,thinkpad_acpi,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm
• 1676[16:18:01] <beepnboop-> rfkill 24576 4 thinkpad_acpi,cfg80211
• 1677[16:18:01] <beepnboop-> video 40960 2 thinkpad_acpi,i915
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• 1681[16:18:38] <deicide-> umm what am i looking at
• 1682[16:19:00] <rant> someone getting kicked for flooding the output of lsmod
• 1683[16:19:19] <deicide-> its my laptop thingy
• 1684[16:19:45] <bites> thought that was the module tlp needed, but looks like it's loaded.
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• 1687[16:20:41] <deicide-> like when i look in the config the threshold\settings that i put months ago are still there
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• 1689[16:21:02] <deicide-> it just has no effect on the system
• 1690[16:21:20] <bernat> Hi. I'm seeing segfaults on my Debian Stretch amd64 + backports installation. Almost always when starting yakyak and Chrome. These were installed from the developers.
• 1691[16:21:42] <bernat> [mié jul 4 15:38:25 2018] gnome-session-f[4154]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff9ea6d4e19 sp 00007fff3cbe5be0 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7ff9ea3f2000+700000]
• 1692[16:21:44] <bernat> [mié jul 4 15:38:25 2018] Chrome_~dThread[3154]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f864e1fbc08 sp 00007f864cc78b20 error 6 in libxul.so[7f864df0e000+4c74000]
• 1693[16:22:06] <Cork> rant: you have a clue?
• 1694[16:22:10] <petn-randall> bernat: Both tools are not shipped with Debian, so ask whoever provided them.
• 1695[16:22:14] <rant> bernat: yes well, what do you want us to do about it? file a bug upstream
• 1696[16:22:14] <bernat> Anyone knows what might be related. I'm using latest kernel and some random packages from backports.
• 1697[16:22:27] <bernat> they're making the desktop crash
• 1698[16:22:32] <petn-randall> bernat: Neither "yakyak" nor "Chrome".
• 1699[16:22:51] <bernat> yes, I know, but the applications are making the desktop crash.
• 1700[16:23:00] <rant> yeah, well the desktop probably wouldnt crash if you werent using stuf outside debian stable
• 1701[16:23:10] <petn-randall> Don't start them then? Or remove them?
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• 1704[16:23:38] <bernat> So that's a feature then. :S
• 1705[16:23:46] <bernat> sick
• 1706[16:24:20] <rant> you can't seriously expect a different answer.. if you do you misunderstand everything about Debian
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• 1708[16:24:35] <ksk> bernat: but its not a feature of debian, since you installed 3rd party software
• 1709[16:25:23] <petn-randall> bernat: There's simply not much we can do, other than tell you to remove them, since we don't ship the software. So there's nothing Debian can fix.
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• 1711[16:25:36] <bernat> Well, then I should expect Firefox bugs to be archived when they're triggered buy non free websites.
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• 1713[16:25:52] <bernat> I wouldn't expect it because a bug is a bug
• 1714[16:25:55] <deicide-> so by saying nothing i assume you don't have an answer
• 1715[16:25:59] <petn-randall> bernat: No, Firefox is free software shipped by Debian.
• 1716[16:26:03] <bernat> whoever or however it triggers
• 1717[16:26:34] <bernat> yes, but browsing non-free websites... that's not the philosophy I guess
• 1718[16:26:44] * petn-randall yawns.
• 1719[16:26:48] <bernat> nevermind
• 1720[16:26:53] * rant *crickets*
• 1721[16:26:54] <petn-randall> bernat: You can make up some rules, but those aren't the Debian ones.
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• 1723[16:27:22] <petn-randall> bernat: It's not about non-free or free, it's about being shipped with Debian or not.
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• 1731[16:31:38] <bernat> the desktop has crashed now two times, one runnin chromium and another one in the overview screen after recovering from the first crash.
• 1732[16:32:00] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:29 2018] gnome-session-f[10833]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fd3ffd4ee19 sp 00007ffea4080b90 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7fd3ffa6c000+700000]
• 1733[16:32:02] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018] Chrome_~dThread[9609]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa9d81fbc08 sp 00007fa9d6c78b20 error 6
• 1734[16:32:04] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018] Chrome_~dThread[6473]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fea5bafbc08 sp 00007fea5a578b20 error 6
• 1735[16:32:06] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018] in libxul.so[7fa9d7f0e000+4c74000]
• 1736[16:32:08] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018] in libxul.so[7fea5b80e000+4c74000]
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• 1741[16:33:04] <petn-randall> bernat: Check the /topic on how to not flood.
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• 1743[16:33:18] <bernat> I know, I'm just a bit pissed, sorry.
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• 1771[16:53:43] <treepalm> hi all, I need some help with the configuration of a usb wifi dongle
• 1772[16:54:16] <rant> treepalm: lsusb, show the full line for the wifi
• 1773[16:54:27] <treepalm> it's a sitecome 300N, typing lsusb it returns me the wireless adapter with its bus number
• 1774[16:54:46] <rant> and its vend/prod id code
• 1775[16:54:58] <treepalm> bus 001 device 003: ID 0df6:0040 Sitecome Europe B.V. WL-344 Wireless Adapter 300
• 1776[16:55:04] <treepalm> rant ^
• 1777[16:55:51] <rant> treepalm: apt install firmware-ralink
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• 1779[16:57:51] <rant> treepalm: with that firmware package, the device will be supported by the rt2800usb module
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• 1784[17:00:30] <treepalm> rant I'll try it, first I've to update it, it's a long time I'm not using it
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• 1792[17:07:20] <treepalm> rant unable to locate package firmware-ralink
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• 1797[17:08:29] <treepalm> rant I'm trying with ndisgtk
• 1798[17:09:59] <rant> treepalm: yeah idk what ndisgtk is, but you need non-free sources to get the firmware
• 1799[17:10:05] <rant> !non-free
• 1800[17:10:05] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
• 1801[17:10:15] <rant> !non-free sources
• 1802[17:10:15] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 1803[17:10:58] <deicide-> ?
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• 1820[17:20:41] <treepalm> dpkg all right, it's installing then reboot
• 1821[17:20:41] <dpkg> treepalm: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 1822[17:21:03] <treepalm> rant all right, it's installing then reboot
• 1823[17:21:06] <rant> there is no need to reboot this isnt windows
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• 1828[17:21:58] <rant> at most you rmmod rt2800usb; modprobe rt2800usb or just unplug it and plug it back in
• 1829[17:22:07] <treepalm> I installed other stuff and doing other things in the meanwhile, I don't use windows in years lol
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• 1831[17:22:30] <treepalm> yep! now works, it sees other wifi networks! thanks
• 1832[17:22:39] <rant> you dont even have to reboot linux to upgrade the kernel..
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• 1834[17:23:08] <petn-randall> Well, it does help, though ...
• 1835[17:23:19] <rant> kexec
• 1836[17:23:33] <petn-randall> You could use ksplice to fix bugs, but kexec is a different beast.
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• 1840[17:24:06] <petn-randall> It doesn't powercycle the system, but it does boot a new kernel and kills all userspace in the process. So it's pretty much a reboot.
• 1841[17:24:47] <petn-randall> And I guess that some hardware will act weird if it doesn't get reinitilialized.
• 1842[17:24:58] <petn-randall> s/il//
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• 1855[17:29:31] <jak2000> share please the source packages for debian jessie 8 thanks
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• 1859[17:30:42] <BanHammor> jak2000, apt source <package>
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• 1861[17:30:50] <jak2000> apt source jessie
• 1862[17:30:53] <jak2000> !apt source jessie
• 1863[17:31:09] <BanHammor> !source
• 1864[17:31:09] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
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• 1867[17:31:43] <jak2000> but something: deb replaced-url
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• 1881[17:37:21] <BanHammor> jak2000, well, add the required line to the sources list.
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• 1883[17:38:00] <BanHammor> the syntax and location is the same as the deb line
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• 1908[17:51:02] * jak2000 /msg dpkg jessie packages not give me the 3 line :(
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• 1912[17:55:11] <jak2000> !dpkg jessie
• 1913[17:55:11] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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• 1940[18:10:25] <jak2000> where can download entire cd for install debian (new version) not net inst... ?
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• 2057[19:18:21] <mdlpe> hi, after update, my Deb don't start with the updated kernel
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• 2063[19:20:14] <jhutchins> mdlpe: Gonna need a LOT more detail.
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• 2092[19:37:14] <mdlpe> jhutchins: ok, I installed bootlogd, enable it, but /var/log/boot is always empty
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• 2104[19:42:19] <Tenkawa> got a tricky one for you
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• 2107[19:44:55] <Tenkawa> any theories on why a debian box (dell with AMD) with 4.17, 4.16, 4,14, etc kernel might work just fine with any filesystem to an mmc card if its on a usb-mmc adapter but soon as i try to use its on board interface... corruption
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• 2109[19:45:04] <Tenkawa> week old machine
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• 2124[19:47:06] <gr8> hi, why is there a libqt5webenginewidgets5 package in Debian, but no libqt5webenginewidgets5-dev? I need the development headers
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• 2126[19:47:19] <Tenkawa> just thought I'd see if anyone's had that interesting one yet
• 2127[19:47:21] <pseudonymous> Hi - I am on Deb9 with the Mate desktop. For some reason, my ability to get music out of the headphone jack (of my laptop) has stopped. Using pavucontrol, I see the channels aren't muted, volume bars still modulate with the beats of the music, the default device changes from speakers (which work!) to headphones when the minijack is inserted. I've even tried 2 different headphones.. ideas ?
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• 2129[19:47:55] <Tenkawa> cheers all I'll be back later
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• 2137[19:51:32] <pseudonymous> (did a full upgrade of packages with apt; installed firmware-linux-nonfree; will reboot & retry)
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• 2149[19:54:52] <gr8> ok found it, it's in qtwebengine5-dev
• 2150[19:55:28] <pseudonymous> Strangely - upgrading all packages and installing firmware-linux-nonfree did the trick. I now have sound even via the headphone jack :)
• 2151[19:56:05] <pseudonymous> gr8: generally, install apt-file - it's the single most helpful tool for tracking down which packages provides which files
• 2152[19:56:44] <gr8> pseudonymous, thanks, I actually have it lol. Just didn't know what to look for
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• 2154[19:56:57] <pseudonymous> Ah, IC :)
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• 2249[20:55:19] <expert975> I've purged openjdk-10-jdk to make my applications compile with Java8 instead of Java10 but 'java --version' still returns version 10. Isn't purge suposed to remote the program from the system?
• 2250[20:56:14] <expert975> I want to switch beetween jdk8 and jre8 without needing to edit 20 update-alternatives entries. How can I do that?
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• 2253[20:56:50] <expert975> I've thought of uninstalling jdk10 to use jdk8, but it does not want to let go of my system
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• 2255[20:57:21] <expert975> *remove
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• 2263[21:02:20] <expert975> Why is jdk10 still in my system after a purge?
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• 2271[21:05:13] <jhutchins> I would have thought jdk would include jre...
• 2272[21:05:41] <jhutchins> expert975: File have probably been installed, moved, or altered within Java and are not where dpkg thinks they are.
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• 2277[21:07:19] <expert975> jhutchins: does the installer do that? What a mess...
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• 2279[21:08:07] <jhutchins> expert975: No, the installer wouldn't do that, but a process within java might. Java has it's own package management available.
• 2280[21:08:57] <expert975> jhutchins: I've never ran java as sudo. How could it've done this?
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• 2282[21:09:42] <expert975> jhutchins: *as root
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• 2296[21:18:38] <expert975> How can I remove jdk10?
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• 2303[21:22:46] <expert975> update-java-alternatives :O
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• 2306[21:25:53] <expert975> ,,testing
• 2307[21:25:58] <expert975> ,,test
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• 2312[21:26:03] <expert975> How does this bot woks?
• 2313[21:26:04] <expert975> ,,help
• 2314[21:26:08] <expert975> ,help
• 2315[21:26:09] <judd> (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
• 2316[21:26:17] <expert975> ,testing
• 2317[21:26:19] <expert975> ,test
• 2318[21:26:37] <jhutchins> expert975: Please /msg the bot instead of triggering it in-channel.
• 2319[21:27:12] <somiaj> also stretch doesn't have jdk10, so how did you install java 10 or what vdersion of debian are you running?
• 2320[21:28:00] <expert975> somiaj: I'm on testing. The package I've installed is "openjdk-10-jdk"
• 2321[21:28:42] <somiaj> then remove the package if you don't want it installed, also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the support channel for testgin
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• 2326[21:29:29] <expert975> somiaj: I've ran "sudo apt purge openjdk-10-jdk". It's still here. How to proceed?
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• 2331[21:33:47] <ttyS1> I'm running Debian 9.4 on a laptop with 1 VGA outpout and 1 HDMI output. Both work but only one at a time. When connecting both VGA and HDMI monitors, I can see both of them in the Display configuration GUI but one of them is turned off on the settings. When I turn it on a long failed to apply configuration message pops up. replaced-url
• 2332[21:33:47] <ttyS1> ows
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• 2343[21:39:23] <David_Hedlund> There are 30 listed Debian that cannot be loaded. Example: I get "ERROR 404: Not Found." for `wget replaced-url
• 2344[21:39:32] <David_Hedlund> files*
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• 2350[21:42:36] <expert975> David_Hedlund: forgot to "apt update"?
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• 2370[21:52:06] <David_Hedlund> expert975: Some files are missing on the server. You can access replaced-url
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• 2372[21:55:04] <jsqkldhf> what's the most popular way to install a VM inside a Debian server?
• 2373[21:55:10] <jsqkldhf> to have a second "isolated" from host development machine
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• 2381[22:00:37] <jhutchins> !virtualization
• 2382[22:00:37] <dpkg> For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see replaced-url
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• 2384[22:01:33] <jsqkldhf> jhutchins: thanks but I'm a bit lost about all these keywords. Which one is a simple popular one?
• 2385[22:01:44] <jsqkldhf> i.e. the number one I should try to have a debian VM inside my debian?
• 2386[22:01:45] <expert975> jsqkldhf: I've used qemu
• 2387[22:02:31] <jsqkldhf> expert975: is the guest VM much slower than running code in the host?
• 2388[22:02:34] <jsqkldhf> because of the virt?
• 2389[22:03:23] <expert975> jsqkldhf: When I installed WinXP it was very slow
• 2390[22:03:28] <expert975> jsqkldhf: Slower than usual
• 2391[22:03:41] <expert975> jsqkldhf: But it worked :D
• 2392[22:03:44] <jsqkldhf> ok :)
• 2393[22:04:18] <jsqkldhf> expert975: how did you choose kvm vs qemu?
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• 2398[22:06:25] <expert975> jsqkldhf: I haven't heard of kvm
• 2399[22:06:42] <expert975> jsqkldhf: The other one I've used was VirtualBox
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• 2406[22:12:31] <expert975> jsqkldhf: Found a log at ~/.netbeans/8.1/var/log/messages.log
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• 2427[22:22:57] <ksk> jsqkldhf: if you like it simple and have buttons to click on ID reccomend taking a look on virtualbox (also available on windows)
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• 2432[22:24:33] <ksk> depending on which level of isolation you want to archieve even systemd (via namespeaced services) could do the trick
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• 2454[22:30:26] <pklat> greetings fellow debians
• 2455[22:30:35] <expert975> ksk: What's the level of isolation of systemd services?
• 2456[22:30:41] <expert975> pklat: Greetings!
• 2457[22:31:54] <ksk> expert975: it might be hard to grasp / you should google for a nice overview
• 2458[22:32:07] <ksk> expert975: this would offer kernel level isolation
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• 2460[22:32:47] <ksk> like, there is code in the kernel to a) namespace (google that :P) and b) cgroup (google this :P) things
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• 2462[22:33:20] <ksk> applying isolation from other processes/users and ressource-limits
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• 2464[22:34:32] <ksk> like if $attacker got a rootshell of your apache2 he would just sit in a "jail" or "chroot" to use some ancient methods terms
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• 2466[22:35:05] <ksk> with not the real filesystem available to him, and for example only as much RAM as you gave this systemd-unit
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• 2469[22:35:29] <J0ca_> hey guys
• 2470[22:35:34] <J0ca_> what can i do
• 2471[22:35:36] <bites> then i would much rather use containers, like lxd.
• 2472[22:35:36] <J0ca_> to fix it
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• 2474[22:35:39] <J0ca_> replaced-url
• 2475[22:35:47] <ksk> this of course only enables you to run linux services(or programmes), you cannot run windows that way.
• 2476[22:35:49] <J0ca_> my opensshd dont work
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• 2478[22:36:19] <ksk> bites: Iam on lxd with my private server farm right now, but Ive been thinking about the systemd way
• 2479[22:36:38] <expert975> ksk: Windows as a systemd service haha
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• 2481[22:36:47] <pklat> lxd would be much better with wayland
• 2482[22:36:49] <pklat> i think
• 2483[22:37:16] <ksk> expert975: just saying, you would need "full (para maybe) virtualisation" for that, not "linux kernel level"
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• 2485[22:37:21] <pklat> I've been trying to use containers with viber and teamviewer, but..
• 2486[22:37:38] <ksk> you should run ubuntu for lxd afaik.
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• 2488[22:38:19] <Iridos> J0ca_, possibly just wait a bit… sometimes takes some time to free a port… else, look at (run as root) fuser 22/tcp …
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• 2491[22:39:36] <bites> ksk: systemd-nspawn? i don't know what you mean by namespaced services. it can do user namespaces, but lxd does that by default.
• 2492[22:40:20] <micw> hi. is it common that bugs are closed as soon as a fix is in testing? even if the bug still exists in stable? I'm occuring this one: replaced-url
• 2493[22:40:22] <ksk> bites: one can use systemd unit files to make services spawn inside a namespace and with cgroups applied.
• 2494[22:40:40] <ksk> kind of the same as lxc/lxd just with another approach on how to handle things
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• 2497[22:41:05] <ksk> not cnotainer, but service based. systemd will replace them all, ha!
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• 2509[22:42:52] <ksk> micw: I am not 100% sure how debian handles that, but "stable" in debian means "not changing". kind of depends on the bug and the fix
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• 2513[22:43:26] <bites> you mean their network namespace?
• 2514[22:43:32] <micw> the bug was introduces by a "security" update which actually upgraded from chromium 66 to 67
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• 2516[22:44:24] <bites> ksk: do you have a link for that?
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• 2531[22:50:17] <rant> micw: nowhere is this mentioned in tthe bug so there is no reason it'd keep the bug open since there is absolutely no mention of 67.0.3396.87
• 2532[22:50:35] <ksk> bites: one second ;)
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• 2534[22:50:46] <ksk> I love these systemd manpages.
• 2535[22:51:00] <rant> but its good to know anyhow.. so I dont upgrade :P
• 2536[22:51:06] <micw> rant, for some reson it's marked as solved for this version
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• 2538[22:51:41] <ksk> bites: take a look at replaced-url
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• 2540[22:52:19] <micw> i've responded to the bug and attached a link to a sample video. the big players (youtube et al) seems to use different codecs. but others are affected
• 2541[22:52:46] <rant> micw: oh so my text search of 67.0.3396.87 turning up 0 results must just be mistaken then :P
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• 2543[22:53:23] <micw> rant, true, it says it's solved since chromium-browser/67.0.3396.79-2,
• 2544[22:53:27] <ksk> bites: eg PrivateUsers and the other statements around.
• 2545[22:53:40] <bites> nice, thanks.
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• 2547[22:54:01] <micw> which should include the latest version ;) - my mistake, thought I saw this particular version
• 2548[22:54:40] <rant> micw: well as far as the mainainer is concerned the bug only applies to non-stable versions.. you'd have to confirm the bug in the stable security package or they wouldnt know
• 2549[22:55:11] <micw> i did (sent the email a minute ago)
• 2550[22:55:42] <f91w_> I rsync'd my home dir (ext4/60GB) to a local usb disk(ntfs), and it completed, however when issuing sync(1) it takes forever. The page cache has 2GB+ worth of dirty page tables. How can I speed this up in the future, or even right now?
• 2551[22:56:06] <micw> oh, a 6 year old bug in the bluetooh stack was fixed - finally allowing linux users to use bluetooth headsets ;) replaced-url
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• 2554[22:56:53] <f91w_> At this speed it will take hours until it's fully synced.
• 2555[22:57:08] <ksk> bites: and also this one I would think: replaced-url
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• 2557[22:57:36] <ksk> looks like the most useful things you would want from cgroups
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• 2573[23:01:15] <gkwhc> hi, i was wondering if debian has something like AUR in arch that lets users install 3rd party software easily? based on some googling it seems like it doesnt?
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• 2580[23:03:03] <annadane> not really no
• 2581[23:03:17] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2582[23:03:31] <petn-randall> gkwhc: Not really, and it's not realliy encouraged. However, Debian comes with over 50,000 packages, so it's not always needed.
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• 2587[23:05:17] <gkwhc> petn-randall: ah i see. i did a keyword search for a package named hyperledger and it doesnt seem to exist
• 2588[23:05:32] <gkwhc> could be my problem not knowing my way in debian
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• 2603[23:12:33] <rant> no its def not in debian
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