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45 [00:34:30] <ryouma> when i boot, i get a few colored warnings before the login prompt. dmesg does not seem to show these. i did install bootlogd, but i do not seem to find its logs anyplace in /var/log. do i have to configure bootlogd?
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47 [00:37:40] <ryouma> alternatively, can i have it pause befoer the login prompt so i can scroll back?
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54 [00:41:29] <aaro> what about /var/log/boot.log?
55 [00:41:49] <annadane> the colored messages are probably service messages, check systemctl list --failed
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58 [00:42:02] <annadane> er
59 [00:42:32] <annadane> whatever the command is
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61 [00:42:52] <ryouma> aaro: there is no such file. there is a boot file but mtime is 3y ago.
62 [00:43:34] <ryouma> annadane: "~# "Unknown operation 'list'."
63 [00:43:44] <ryouma> annadane: "Unknown operation 'list'."
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65 [00:43:58] <annadane> yeah i forget what the command is
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72 [00:46:03] <ryouma> not finding anything that speaks to me in the man page
73 [00:46:09] <ryouma> then again i don't speak that language
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75 [00:46:39] <ryouma> there is list-jobs
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77 [00:47:14] <LtL> ryouma: try 'systemctl list-unit-files'
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83 [00:49:04] <ryouma> LtL: big list of enabled disabled static masked
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88 [00:50:18] <LtL> ryouma: if anything failed, that would likely be listed as failed.
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90 [00:51:24] <ryouma> nothing says failed
91 [00:51:35] <ryouma> i guess bootlogd is broken in jessie now? i think it used to work.
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93 [00:54:57] <ryouma> well thanks. i have to reboot again. i will hope it wasn't anything worth paying attention to. have been trying turning off drives to see if drives still work.
94 [00:55:02] <ryouma> in bios
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98 [00:57:39] <morgana_> hey guys, just a simple question which is driving me crazy... I have installed a program called Ktouch for teach typing to my girlfriend. But this program launches with just the english course and keyboard layout, turns out that I have to change the kde app languages to portuguese brazilian to use it, but how can I do that using gnome?
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116 [01:09:32] <LtL> morgana_: suggested program for ktouch is khelpcenter. maybe that will help
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128 [01:19:53] <has3knivesinpant> It runs Debian 8.
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238 [02:37:00] <galaxie> Hi, I am overwriting and then reformatting a microSD card through a USB reader on Debian 9. I'm using 'shred -vzn88 /dev/sdXX' but I realized it would take several days for the process to complete all the passes. Is it safe (i.e. won't brick card) if I interrupt after one or two passes?
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242 [02:38:25] <somiaj> I don't see why, it is just writting data to the card and don't think it would destroy the card, it may destroy the data you were writting to the card, but it seems like that is the point
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244 [02:38:54] <galaxie> somiaj: Now, if it were, say, a dd command, interrupting THAT would be bad?
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246 [02:39:21] <somiaj> well if you were saying writting an image, yes, if you interupted the middle of the image, you wouldn't have a fully functional image, but the card itself should be fine
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248 [02:39:32] <somiaj> provided all this writting hasn't damaged the card (some sd cards are cheap)
249 [02:39:51] <somiaj> but this is independent of the command that is writting to the card
250 [02:42:29] <galaxie> Hmm, makes sense. Another question: what's a good, unified way to connect, say, XBox, XBOx 360, XBox One, Wii, Wii U controllers on Debian? I've tried AntiMicro so far with XBox One..
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314 [03:40:13] <awal1> ,v abiword
315 [03:40:14] <judd> Package: abiword on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.2+svn20120603-8; jessie: 3.0.0-8+b1; stretch: 3.0.2-2+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.2-6+b1; sid: 3.0.2-6+b1
316 [03:41:59] <awal1> apart the almost obsolete abiword ( and the heavy libreoffice & caligra), is there any graphical word processor?
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325 [03:44:19] <Javabean> i am sorry to say, but is libreoffice really that heavy?
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328 [03:44:29] <kruug> rebooted my debian vm that's set up with a static IP. It was working pre-reboot, but not it's not. I've confirmed settings in /etc/network/interfaces and restarted the networking service. What am I missing?
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332 [03:45:54] <awal1> Javabean, I find it heavy and bloated with hard dependencies , yep
333 [03:46:21] <Javabean> hmm, sorry i can't help
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335 [03:46:28] <awal1> np
336 [03:47:52] <awal1> not a crucial necessity, after all; I rarely use windows stuff
337 [03:48:12] <awal1> if i do, it it is bcoz of work/studies, only
338 [03:49:35] <Javabean> yeah, i usually just use kate/nano for regular text files. if i need/want formating i runup librewriter
339 [03:50:41] <kruug> "Failed to start Raise network interfaces." error on boot...
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341 [03:51:49] <awal1> librewriter?
342 [03:51:50] <somiaj> awal1: I use LaTeX myself, as I prefer a typesetter over a word processor
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344 [03:51:55] <awal1> ,v librewriter
345 [03:51:56] <judd> No package named 'librewriter' was found in amd64.
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349 [03:52:46] <awal1> somiaj, i installed latex time ago but I was lazy to read docs; I found it complicated :P
350 [03:52:56] <awal1> I may have to check it again
351 [03:53:50] <somiaj> well it is more a programing style typesetter (maybe like html) as opposed to a wysiwug editior, though those do exist for latex, Id on't use such things
352 [03:54:37] <Javabean> awal1: libreoffice writer, sorry i wasn't clearer
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454 [05:34:12] <mnuhmnuh> awal1: latex is _potentially_ deep, but not really complicated. done right, it'll do all the really diff. stuff behind the scene leaving you with just composition. great system.
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458 [05:36:04] <awal1> mnuhmnuh, i guess you right; it is a matter of time for read docs....
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460 [05:37:01] <mnuhmnuh> awal1: try it starting out small. it's impressive.
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538 [07:12:55] <strive> How's Debian on the desktop?
539 [07:13:09] <strive> Or is it best suited for servers?
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541 [07:14:07] <somiaj> strive: I have been using debian as my desktop since 2004ish, and I find it works nice
542 [07:14:26] <somiaj> but I also find I have limited needs from a desktop compared to others (though I have been using it as my gaming desktop since then)
543 [07:15:01] <ardualabs> strive: Debian has a lot of choice when it comes down to *which* desktop you want as well.
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546 [07:15:30] <ardualabs> For example, I use Cinnamon, but have also had lxde, gnome3, kde... gnustep.
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549 [07:16:18] <somiaj> and 10+ window managers, I use fvwm as it is all I need
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556 [07:25:51] <strive> somiaj: thanks!
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559 [07:26:14] <strive> I'm more of an i3 guy.
560 [07:27:09] <ardualabs> strive: Just showed in my apt search, so you'd be gtg
561 [07:27:22] <strive> ardualabs: Woot!
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563 [07:31:13] <ardualabs> thank goodness for tmux, I'm installing it right now and restarting my session. I've never messed with i3 :D
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567 [07:34:04] <strive> ardualabs: "workflow" is nice.
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571 [07:36:51] <ardualabs> Intersting.
572 [07:37:05] <ardualabs> Probably OT, but thanks for mentioning it. Playing now.
573 [07:37:20] <strive> :)
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575 [07:38:14] <somiaj> i3 is one of the many small window managers out there, it is one of the currently more popular ones. I just started with fvwm and haven't found much reason to switch.
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589 [07:46:23] <ardualabs> somiaj: Yeah, I read up on it.
590 [07:47:19] <ardualabs> I'd switch from twm to fvwm in 1992, it's nice and steady.
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592 [07:48:00] <somiaj> yea, its a very solid and configurable window manager. To me it really only lacks RandR support, but that is a minor thing
593 [07:49:49] <ardualabs> I mean, I use full desktop now, but if I want to go minimal I ctrl-alt-f1 and let tmux be my window manager (yes, I know it's not a window manager)
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595 [07:50:18] <somiaj> I just don't really need all the extrea features of a full DE, so when someone says desktop I don't think I really understand what they mean.
596 [07:50:32] <ardualabs> *nod*
597 [07:50:35] <somiaj> I prefer to just congiure the few thigns I use
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601 [07:53:16] <ardualabs> There's some nice things I can do with cinnamon that help - I have scroll-wheel-over-title-bar dial transparency back so I can glance at what's behind a window or read a doc behind an editor... multiple desktops to keep different workflows organized, scripts in and for the filemanager with triggers, so I can be drag/drop + automated events.
602 [07:55:32] <ardualabs> And yet ironically - replaced-url
603 [07:56:07] <somiaj> just need a keybinding + compton and scripts for that in fvwm
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606 [07:56:32] <somiaj> I like the desktop and page setup, I can move around my desktops by scrolling to around the edge of the monintor
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608 [07:57:24] <somiaj> I think people like the ease of not having to configure most things. I find I like to be able to tweak things more.
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611 [07:57:52] <somiaj> but to me that is a difference, isntall a preset of tools linked together in a desktop, or install a window manager and the tools you want, often times you'll have to make the link
612 [07:57:54] <ardualabs> Okay. Well either way we're probably OT
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614 [07:58:23] <ardualabs> thanks for indulging a bit.
615 [07:58:23] <somiaj> yea, debian provides a wide variety of possiblities
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639 [08:25:58] <mos_basik> I only have access to wifi, and only to an network whose SSID contains a comma. I'm running into the bug described here: replaced-url
640 [08:25:58] <mos_basik> so far, debian, ubuntu, and crunchbangplusplus), I have to use the buggy text-based installer.
641 [08:25:58] <mos_basik> In the manually enter an SSID option, I've tried a few things: double quoting, single quoting, no quotes, backslash escaping the comma, the spaces, both, and url encoding the string (a faint hope).
642 [08:25:58] <mos_basik> Anyone have any suggestions for me? Is it possible to bootstrap a debian install like an arch install?
643 [08:25:59] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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645 [08:27:20] <somiaj> mos_basik: you can do a manual install from debootstrap, but my suggestion would be just install debian (the net install contains a minimial install you can do without the internet, then get the wirelss working after debian is installed
646 [08:27:30] <somiaj> you could also use a cd or dvd image if you awnted more than a minimial install to start with
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648 [08:28:55] <mos_basik> somiaj: you can do a minimal install without the internet?! that's good news. I've figured out how to use wpa_supplicant or networkmanager to get around the issue on a running system. But how do you do it? netinst seems like it keeps looping back to the network setup if I try to continue on without configuring it.
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651 [08:29:29] <somiaj> mos_basik: I personaly use the expert install, and you can just skip over the internet stuff
652 [08:29:46] <somiaj> I think in the standard install, there should be a cancle option when it asks to detect yoru network
653 [08:30:04] <mos_basik> somiaj: aha, ok, I'll give that a shot and report back
654 [08:30:09] <somiaj> network manager won't be in a minimial isntall, but wpa_supplicant will be
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660 [08:36:02] <hesperaux> hello. I have a noob question... Trying to add an apt repository to my sources.list.d. It appears the structure of the repo online is not aligned with the standard format (dists/jessie/main, etc). What can I do about this? The repository I want to use is: replaced-url
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662 [08:37:58] <hesperaux> btw, my reason for doing this instead of using bareos from the main Debian repo is that bareos-webui is not included in the main repo
663 [08:38:26] <somiaj> and you are running jessie?
664 [08:38:33] <hesperaux> yes
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669 [08:42:45] <somiaj> deb replaced-url
670 [08:42:48] <somiaj> I think something like that
671 [08:43:19] <hesperaux> somiaj, doesn't apt automatically put a dists/ in there though?
672 [08:43:40] <hesperaux> and main/ isn't a subdirectory on the web host
673 [08:43:46] <hesperaux> i'll give it a try
674 [08:43:48] <somiaj> the / makes it an exact path, as per the man page. suite can specify an exact path, in which case the components must be omitted and suite must end with a slash (/).
675 [08:44:07] <hesperaux> oh, nice
676 [08:44:21] <somiaj> there is a space there, though i guess you want Debian_8.0 instead of mane, taht is what they call their archive
677 [08:44:40] <somiaj> actoually you can just leave the main off I think, components are optional
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679 [08:45:04] <hesperaux> somiaj, perfect - you're exactly right
680 [08:45:09] <hesperaux> thanks a lot!
681 [08:45:17] <hesperaux> where is the tip jar?
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684 [08:47:47] <hesperaux> well, apt-get update worked, but the download paths are incorrect. hmm.
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693 [08:58:03] <hesperaux> sigh...I just used the repo to define the dependencies and installed the deb with dpkg
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695 [08:58:49] <hesperaux> the path in the repo's Packages file isn't correct when combined with the apt source url, and I have much to do still. Thanks for your help though somiaj - you got me far enough!
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733 [09:40:45] <jim> In case any of you use FileZilla, the main author again packs a malware installer ... replaced-url
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746 [09:51:19] <CyberManifest> Jim is FileZilla not open source?
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751 [09:53:56] <rant> which of the dpkg-architecture vars would be most accurate to query to see if the system is i386 or amd64? Making an install script that needs to check for multiarch and install i386 libs on amd64
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754 [09:54:49] <rant> DEB_HOST_ARCH or DEB_TARGET_ARCH would be my guess
755 [09:55:12] <rant> not sure really what any of those vars mean though
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779 [10:17:40] <mdlpe> hello, I didn't found why I can't open a raw file with gimp. I installed rawtherappee. And I have usr/bin in $PATH. But don't work
780 [10:18:36] <rant> might have better luck in #gimp
781 [10:19:01] <rant> I'm not even sure what a raw file is exactly.. but I'd just convert the damn thing, personally
782 [10:19:13] <mdlpe> rant: i'll try
783 [10:21:54] <rant> idk what makes you think gimp would use some random app to load files to begin with
784 [10:22:53] <mdlpe> yes normally gimp open a raw file with ufraw or rawtherapee. After that, it is open inside gimp. But the link is broken for me
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786 [10:23:23] <rant> nothing in gimp or rawtherapee's package info suggests this is the case
787 [10:23:55] <mos_basik> wew, when apt-get says "you are about to do something potentially harmful, to continue type 'Yes, do as I say!'", it's probably time to double check in here
788 [10:24:12] <rant> heh
789 [10:24:36] <mos_basik> I'm trying to install network-manager. my first attempt got an error saying something about holding broken packages and unmet dependencies
790 [10:24:45] <mos_basik> sudo apt-get install -f didn't fix it
791 [10:24:49] <rant> yeah its not often things make you type complex verification.. even cryptsetup only makes you type YES in all caps to ruin a whole drive :P
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793 [10:26:06] <mos_basik> i installed aptitude and tried installing network-manager with aptitude because sometimes the dep resolution is better/different, but it didn't work. It DID tell me that i had systemd 232-25+deb9u3 installed, and that what I wanted required systemd=232-25+deb9u2
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799 [10:27:03] <rant> mos_basik: run this in your terminal as your user then goto paste.debian.net and upload the file apt.log: (cat /etc/apt/sources.list;apt policy)>apt.log
800 [10:27:05] <mos_basik> so I tried sudo apt-get install systemd=[smaller version number], and that completed... kind of... at least, it now told me that I had the higher version of libsystemd0 installed and it wanted the lower version
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803 [10:28:25] <rant> mos_basik: you are not running Debian Stretch.. that much was apparent from the first thing you said.. how bad it is remains to be seen
804 [10:28:38] <mos_basik> oh boy
805 [10:29:33] <mos_basik> how did you know that? I think it would be useful for me to recognize
806 [10:30:07] <rant> mos_basik: cause I am running debian stretch, and so are a ton of other people.. and we can install network-manager without issue
807 [10:30:21] <rant> and we dont ever see that message from apt
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809 [10:30:35] <rant> something you did resulted in frankendebian
810 [10:31:42] <rant> a short indicator of the extent of damage would be dpkg -l libc6 and tell us the version number it outputs
811 [10:31:55] <rant> if it got that far, you're screwed
812 [10:32:11] <mos_basik> uname -a gives Linux localhost 4.9.0-6-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) i686 GNU/Linux, if that is helpful. I'm not sure if I can get the log uploaded real quick, seems like there's no wgetpaste in debian. Anyone have any alternatives?
813 [10:32:42] <rant> there are alternatives but I didnt suggest them cause your package system is broken :P
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815 [10:33:02] <rant> do you have netcat installed? might be able to work with that.. which nc
816 [10:33:07] <mos_basik> dpkg -l libc6 gives libc6:i386 2.24-11+deb9u3 i386
817 [10:33:07] <dpkg> No packages found matching libc6 gives libc6:i386 2.24-11+deb9u3 i386
818 [10:33:26] <rant> ,v libc6:i386
819 [10:33:27] <judd> No package named 'libc6:i386' was found in amd64.
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821 [10:33:30] <rant> ,v libc6
822 [10:33:31] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3
823 [10:33:45] <rant> well thats still a stretch version anyhow..
824 [10:33:59] <rant> so you haven't completely ruined the system :P
825 [10:34:06] <mos_basik> woohoo
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827 [10:34:35] <rant> are you on irc from the box in question? no you have nc installed?
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829 [10:35:34] <mos_basik> no, on irc from another computer. I do have a network connection, and I was just able to install netcat
830 [10:36:51] <rant> well if you could install stuf you could've installed pastebinit.. but netcat will work for termbin.com
831 [10:37:16] <mos_basik> yeah, i just found that too. working on getting something up!
832 [10:37:18] <rant> just change the > apt.log to |nc termbin.com 9999
833 [10:38:03] <rant> i.e. (cat
834 [10:38:12] <rant> erm..
835 [10:38:38] <rant> i.e. (cat /etc/apt/sources.list;apt policy)|nc termbin.com 9999
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837 [10:39:01] <mos_basik> rant: here you go replaced-url
838 [10:39:08] <rant> pastebinit is more fancy, can work with more pastebins and their features
839 [10:39:46] <rant> ok, who is maintaining that mirror?
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841 [10:40:19] <rant> thats not exactly a normal debian sources.list.. you have no security, no updates, and no official debian mirrors
842 [10:40:25] <rant> which is probably the issue
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845 [10:41:02] <mos_basik> :P i had no mirrors after installation, because i did the bare minimum installation without a network config because of an installer bug - so when i got the system running i got online and picked a mirror that netselect-apt spit out as the fastest
846 [10:41:09] <mos_basik> help me i have no idea how to mirrors
847 [10:41:43] <rant> hmm..
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849 [10:41:51] <rant> where are you located?
850 [10:41:52] <mos_basik> first time using debian / using debian documentation
851 [10:42:00] <mos_basik> california
852 [10:42:35] <rant> ah, well mirrors.kernel.org is really fast, and official.. but deb.debian.org is what it should be for most things.. here is my current sources.list: replaced-url
853 [10:42:55] <rant> I changed my main package mirror to kernel.org recently cause I was having issues with multiarch
854 [10:43:16] <mos_basik> what's the difference between deb and deb-source?
855 [10:43:29] <rant> you should have lines like 1,3,5 at least
856 [10:43:36] <rant> deb-src is for source packages
857 [10:43:49] <rant> if you are going to compile something for example
858 [10:44:15] <rant> if you are building something external, you only need -dev packages which are headers, and those are in the main deb binary mirrors
859 [10:44:33] <rant> the deb-src are only if you are rebuilding something from debian source code
860 [10:44:36] <mos_basik> there was a demo mirror file with everything commented out that I still have a copy of, but i wasn't sure how much of it would apply to me or even if they were valid (i tried uncommenting a few of them and couldn't install anything). should I upload to show you?
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864 [10:45:31] <mos_basik> default source.list after my install: replaced-url
865 [10:46:02] <mos_basik> what are the names that come after the urls?
866 [10:46:05] <rant> there are 3 main lines you'd want, like lines 1,3,5 in my sources.list a main package mirror (line 5) which is the only line you have, but from some odd mirror, then a security (line 1) and updates (line 3)
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868 [10:46:30] <rant> mos_basik: thats the release then the sections
869 [10:47:12] <mos_basik> so for instance, stretch-updates is a release, followed by some number of sections like main, contrib, non-free, etc?
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871 [10:47:21] <rant> yes
872 [10:47:48] <mos_basik> what's the difference between something like stretch-updates and stretch/updates? i saw both in the default I had
873 [10:47:49] <rant> its kinda weird how we do updates and security now.. but thats how it goes as shown in lines 1 and 3 of my sources.list
874 [10:48:25] <rant> one is security updates from security.debian.org and the other is what we used to call volitile updates for things that need to be updated frequently
875 [10:48:35] <rant> !volitile
876 [10:48:35] <dpkg> Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". replaced-url
877 [10:48:46] <rant> !stable-updates
878 [10:48:46] <dpkg> it has been said that stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
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880 [10:49:14] <mos_basik> wew, that's not confusing at all
881 [10:49:16] <rant> !security
882 [10:49:17] <dpkg> Put "deb replaced-url
883 [10:49:29] <rant> !stretch/updates
884 [10:49:29] <dpkg> On Deian 9 "Stretch" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "stretch/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "stretch-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list>.
885 [10:49:38] <rant> called up the wrong factoid there :P
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887 [10:49:58] <rant> but yeah, its a little confusing but its all done to keep your system up to date and secure
888 [10:50:40] <rant> the sources.list factoid shows a basic sources.list
889 [10:50:46] <rant> dpkg, sources.list?
890 [10:50:46] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
891 [10:50:55] <mos_basik> my daily laptop has been arch for a couple of years, so i'm pretty clueless yet about how updates work on systems with a little less frantic update schedules :x
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893 [10:51:46] <mos_basik> ok let's see if I can build a better sources.list with this info!
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895 [10:51:50] <rant> yes well debian follows a WIR release schedule.. so to deal with the fact WIR usually takes 2 years or so.. we have some odd update proceedures
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901 [10:53:26] <rant> my sources.list is working, valid, and should be fast for you in cali.. but it has sources and backports enabled as well which would only result in a slightly longer time to update the cache really as you have to specifically tell apt to get anything from sources or backports
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904 [10:54:15] <rant> I also often have a sid sources line in there to do my own backports, but I havent needed to lately
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908 [10:55:15] <rant> mos_basik: anyhow, my thoughts are your mirror isnt official and isnt up-to-date which is what caused your issue
909 [10:55:42] <rant> mos_basik: if I'm right, a new sources.list and apt-get update will solve your issues
910 [10:56:05] <mos_basik> I went ahead and put in the three suggested by the bot up there. updated, upgraded, made sure systemd was newest version and network-manager seems to be installing correctly!
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912 [10:56:35] <rant> mos_basik: did you use only main like the bot said or did you add contrib and non-free sections to the lines?
913 [10:57:05] <rant> most common need for non-free is for firmware packages
914 [10:57:06] <mos_basik> only main. would contrib and non-free be something you'd only add to the main source, or for the security and updates ones as well?
915 [10:57:34] <mos_basik> i see you have them in all
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918 [10:58:41] <rant> mos_basik: you'd add it to all of them if you want to use those sections.. if you're not aware main is for packages which comply with the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG) where contrib are packages which comply, but require things that dont like perhaps a nintendo emulator that is DFSG but requires copyrighted roms, and non-free is stuff that is not free software
919 [10:59:16] <rant> such as binary firmware blobs
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921 [10:59:56] <mos_basik> ah. so for instance, if you put non-free in the main one, you could install it - but if you omitted it from the security one, then if a security update was pushed, you wouldn't pick it up. you'd only pick up the next big update in two years' time.
922 [11:00:20] <rant> yes, this is why its important to enable it on all of them
923 [11:01:36] <rant> again, 2 years is roughly how long it takes.. many distros follow a time based release schedule and just push something out every 6mo or something.. like ubuntu.. and they wind up with broken systems cause stuff isnt ironed out.. debian uses a When Its Ready (WIR) approach..
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927 [11:02:42] <mos_basik> as an arch user, i'm uh, i'm curious about this "debian unstable" thing i've heard about
928 [11:03:09] <rant> we move new things into sid, if they go 10 days (old info, exact policy may have changed) without release critical bugs, they get moved into testing which will be the next release.. once testing has undergone significant updates we agree to freeze it and then have to squash all RC bugs or remove offending packages before it can be declared stable
929 [11:03:55] <rant> Unstable is codenamed Sid after the kid in toy story who breaks things.. its also commonly thought of as an acronym for such things as Still In Development or such..
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931 [11:04:15] <rant> but its always called sid.. stable and testing however change release names with each release
932 [11:04:27] <rant> testing is currently buster, which will be the next release
933 [11:04:44] <mos_basik> wow, that makes it much easier to remember when there's a meaning attached to it
934 [11:04:44] <mos_basik> i've been having trouble keeping all the s-names straight: squeeze, stretch, sid
935 [11:05:31] <rant> bo, rex, buzz, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny, wheezy, jessie, squeeze, stretch, buster, sid.. are the names we used so far in order if I recall correctly
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939 [11:05:49] <rant> all toy story characters
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944 [11:06:50] <mos_basik> should I go to bed or should I try to get my network back again? i kind of wanted to go to bed an hour ago, but *progress is being made*
945 [11:06:53] <rant> I'd started with Potato many years ago myself.. was onle 3 cds, couple thousand packages back then.. now its so big we dont even host all the ISOs anymore and is over 50,000 packages
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949 [11:07:37] <mos_basik> I think the oldest one I remember is wheezy. Was jessie the first with systemd?
950 [11:07:49] <rant> yes jessie had systemd
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956 [11:08:37] <mos_basik> I remember trying crunchbang back in the day and it was based off of one of those two I think, before it stopped. Only realized today that there is a crunchbangplusplus.
957 [11:08:49] <rant> I dont recall exactly when it was but the worst stuf I ran into was when we were switching to things like devfs, hal, udev.. etc that resulted in a lot of broken upgrades
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961 [11:10:54] <rant> mos_basik: we only support stable here in this channel and this is still the larger support community though its no longer the "official" one.. so keep that in mind, and I advise you to stick with stable and learn it before trying testing or unstable
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964 [11:12:01] <rant> mos_basik: did you install from a normal install media or from a live image or what?
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966 [11:12:29] <mos_basik> rant: oh yes, I agree. For now, I'm trying to set up an old laptop with a barebones system and a basic media center, so stable is just fine for me! Might be different if I was going to daily it.
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976 [11:14:07] <mos_basik> I installed with the netinst media from a usb, but this bug replaced-url
977 [11:14:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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979 [11:15:12] <mos_basik> If/when I set up my own wifi networks, they will have single word, alphanumeric SSIDs
980 [11:15:23] <mos_basik> so much swearing this has caused me
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982 [11:16:12] <rant> mos_basik: hmm.. didnt know about that one.. but my wifi a Netgear WG111v3 usb dongle (RTL8187B) wont work with the new long ifnames.. it appears to work but deauths even on open APs
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985 [11:16:55] <rant> though thats solved with a simple net.ifnames=0 kernel command line param at boot
986 [11:16:57] <mos_basik> oof. how long did that take to pin down?
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988 [11:17:30] <rant> heh.. it wasnt easy.. especially since I had been using the thing fine on other systems
989 [11:17:42] <rant> found it buried deep in some obscure forum
990 [11:18:15] <rant> and actually ran into another person with an RTL8187 in here a few weeks ago.. luckily I'd already figured that one out :P
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992 [11:19:14] <mos_basik> hahaha, lucky them indeed
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994 [11:19:22] <mos_basik> and it looks like networkmanager is working for me!
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996 [11:20:36] <mos_basik> and maybe the misconfigured sources were mucking other things up too, because seems like Openbox isn't freezing on launch any more. Nice.
997 [11:21:07] <rant> well did you upgrade after you added new sources?
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1000 [11:21:20] <mos_basik> yep
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1003 [11:22:49] <rant> mos_basik: so I'm guessing you have just a base install then and were aiming for a desktop install
1004 [11:23:13] <rant> there are metapackages that would be equiv to installing a DE from the installer
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1007 [11:25:15] <mos_basik> rant: no, base install is what I was looking for. I didn't want a full DE, in fact, i was considering something like tinywm or dwm, but it seems like openbox's memory footprint isn't prohibitively large. The problem (which went away) was it was freezing indefinitely a few seconds after running startx.
1008 [11:26:02] <mos_basik> not entirely diagnosed yet - it's happened with other distros today, like lubuntu and tinycore - and sometimes I think it was an out of memory thing, and other times I think it was an incorrectly burned image.
1009 [11:26:04] <rant> yeah I had tested black|flux|openbox on my orange pi lite and openbox seemed to be lighter
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1011 [11:27:20] <mos_basik> I was trying antiX today as well - I forget what the problem was that made me decide not to run with it. Maybe it was running out of memory during the installer.
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1013 [11:28:18] <mos_basik> come to think of it, I think it was still the wifi parsing bug, because it was still the debian text based installer. I just didn't know to check for an expert install that would let me skip the network setup at that point yet.
1014 [11:29:08] <ellyacht> can someone please help me install flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64
1015 [11:29:14] <ellyacht> its on my desktop
1016 [11:29:29] <rant> well you dont need expert to do that.. you can just cancel and go back and it'll show you a menu of the steps and you can choose do not configure the network at this time
1017 [11:30:02] <rant> ellyacht: we'd rather tell you not to
1018 [11:30:04] <mos_basik> with the non-expert one it kept prompting me after every step with the network config screen again and I got scared haha
1019 [11:30:30] <rant> idk I done it beore and I just cancel it and it has a do not configure at this time option
1020 [11:31:38] <mos_basik> hmm, maybe I missed a checkbox or something. pretty likely :)
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1023 [11:32:09] <rant> ellyacht: I havent needed to install anything flash in years.. and if I did I'd use the debian installer for it
1024 [11:32:46] <rant> ellyacht: my advice would be to delete that file, and back up a few steps to what made you get it in the first place
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1031 [11:35:34] <Li> replaced-url
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1035 [11:36:18] <Li> the above file indicates there are 14 dvd for debian 9.4.0 but I can find only 3
1036 [11:36:30] <Li> any clue where is the rest of them?
1037 [11:36:38] <rant> Li: yes, we no longer make them.. you have to make them yourself using jigdo
1038 [11:36:49] <rant> Li: or buy them online from someone
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1040 [11:36:58] <rant> but chances are you do not need them
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1042 [11:37:52] <rant> the repo has grown beyond what can sensibly be made into ISOs and hosted
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1044 [11:38:21] <rant> Li: what is it you want them for?
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1046 [11:38:36] <Li> rant: how can I download entire debian repo and keep using it from external hardrive?
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1048 [11:39:04] <Li> i work in place with NO or very expensive internet connection
1049 [11:39:05] <rant> Li: you have about 10TB available?
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1051 [11:39:22] <Li> not really
1052 [11:39:31] <rant> you don't want the whole debian repo
1053 [11:39:34] <Li> I thought it something gigabytes
1054 [11:39:49] <rant> first o it contains many different architecture, source and binaries..
1055 [11:40:11] <Li> say ony amd64
1056 [11:40:11] <somiaj> something like apt-cacher-ng will work well as a local repo, and only cache the packages you actually use
1057 [11:40:17] <rant> even if you only wanted amd64 binary, you're still talking over 0.25TB
1058 [11:41:01] <rant> about 290GB for just amd64 binary
1059 [11:41:20] <rant> which is 50,000 packages of which you'll only ever use 2,000
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1061 [11:41:51] <rant> ..which is why we made popcon which makes sure the most used ones are on those first 3 dvd isos
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1063 [11:42:43] <rant> I exaggerated though.. whole thing is more like 3TB not 10
1064 [11:42:55] <rant> not including iso images
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1066 [11:43:54] <Li> for 3TB that is possible to make it available to all users offline
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1068 [11:44:48] <Li> shoud I use apt-cache-ng to download offline? or another program?
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1071 [11:47:28] <rant> an apt cacher requires a connection to work
1072 [11:48:16] <rant> its a proxy that when you request a package it checks the mirror, if you've already downloaded it, it gives you the cached local version, if not, it fetches it from the mirror
1073 [11:48:50] <rant> it saves bandwidth when you have many machines all installing the same stuff but also saves space and time of not downloading things you dont need or use
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1077 [11:49:45] <rant> it also requires a network connection to all the machines using it and a system to act as the caching proxy
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1079 [11:50:36] <rant> I'd more carefully explain your use case because there are a lot of options out there for all sorts of different scenarios
1080 [11:50:52] <rant> for most people the dvd1 iso will be enough
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1082 [11:51:14] <rant> that'll get you over 5000 packages IIRC with a desktop of your choosing
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1086 [11:52:42] <rant> well 4,616 packages..
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1095 [12:02:14] <Li> I want to create a LAN with such apt-cacher-ng proxy where all debian based users are able to download any package without having to access internet
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1097 [12:02:42] <Li> that is why I'm asking .. anyway thanks for you valuble information
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1100 [12:04:27] <rant> well a cacher requires internet
1101 [12:04:55] <rant> what you want is a local mirror which would be 300GB roughtly for binary/amd64
1102 [12:05:11] <rant> but that probably isnt what you NEED
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1112 [12:11:47] <somiaj> Li: only the machine that is working as the cacher needs access to the internet, the other machiens just need access to the cacher.
1113 [12:13:36] <p0g0> Isn't this a job for squid or the like?
1114 [12:14:01] <p0g0> a vanilla proxy server and maybe a repo mirror?
1115 [12:16:54] <rant> Li: replaced-url
1116 [12:17:20] <rant> ,i aptly
1117 [12:17:21] <judd> Package aptly (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: Swiss army knife for Debian repository management. Version: 0.9.7-1+b1; Size: 2568.9k; Installed: 10027k; Homepage: replaced-url
1118 [12:17:49] <rant> almost as easy to use as a cacher
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1124 [12:20:26] <perr-paranoic> Hi, I want to open an extension file ( .vym ) With an application (vym) but I can't do default opening, I have to cooche everytime
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1126 [12:21:19] <rant> heh
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1128 [12:22:11] <rant> you're gonna have to be more specific than that.. there are probably 500 shells and file mangers in debian all work diferently and there is no global system that manages file associations
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1131 [12:22:57] <rant> unless you want me to just asume you're using MATE and Caja file manager like I am
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1137 [12:25:22] <rant> even as far as "defaults" go you could be talking about any of our 6 main DEs or file managers
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1143 [12:28:27] <perr-paranoic> rant: I use KDE, I have change association settings and now I have to select everytime how I want to open file (.vym). Before it was open with Ark (for zip file)
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1145 [12:28:58] <rant> well I can only google as could you.. I haven't used KDE in 15 years.. I grew up :P
1146 [12:29:21] <rant> not even sure what kde uses for a file manager these days
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1148 [12:29:35] <rant> was konqueror last I used it
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1150 [12:30:21] <rant> there is a kde specfic channel on OFTC if googling or someone else doesnt help
1151 [12:30:28] <rant> !kde
1152 [12:30:28] <dpkg> KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See replaced-url
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1155 [12:31:03] <perr-paranoic> thank you rant
1156 [12:31:49] <rant> no worries.. in caja/nautilus on mate/gnome you just right click a file and goto the properties and select the Open With tab to manage that stu
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1160 [12:33:05] <rant> perr-paranoic: for future ref when asking general questions about things in your DE mention which DE and I'd recommend #debian-kde on OFTC because KDE isnt real popular here
1161 [12:33:09] <perr-paranoic> Yeah it is same, but it doesn't remember... like a bug...but I think that it depends for something
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1163 [12:33:28] <perr-paranoic> ok,
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1166 [12:33:55] <rant> maybe something is overriding it.. like the archive manager is claiming those extensions when its run or someone is telling it to use that and its remembering the last used action'
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1168 [12:34:09] <rant> I really could only guess
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1228 [13:27:05] <brutser> hi, in my laptop there is "Qualcomm Atheros QCA8172" but the link is going down the whole time and i am losing the connection. The laptop is lenovo g505, not the newest laptop, but ok. how can i troubleshoot the eth problem?
1229 [13:27:20] <brutser> just small output to give idea: replaced-url
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1236 [13:28:31] <abrotman> brutser: might want to tell us which version of linux you're using
1237 [13:28:54] <abrotman> are you using your wired ethernet?
1238 [13:28:57] <brutser> sorry deb stretch
1239 [13:29:04] <brutser> yes wired
1240 [13:29:28] <abrotman> and you can see link lights on the NIC/switch?
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1244 [13:30:47] <brutser> abrotman, yes link works normally, but stops randomly
1245 [13:30:56] <abrotman> IP conflict perhaps?
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1248 [13:31:26] <abrotman> brutser: what is 'uname -r' ?
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1250 [13:31:44] <brutser> abrotman: i think it's driver related or perhaps hardware issue i found already some articles describing the same, but the articles are quite old
1251 [13:32:09] <abrotman> Right, I was going to suggest you try a kernel from backports to see if it's more stable.
1252 [13:32:23] <brutser> wait for output uname -r
1253 [13:32:42] <brutser> 4.9.0-6-amd64
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1256 [13:34:37] <abrotman> judd: kernels
1257 [13:34:38] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1258 [13:34:39] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1259 [13:34:53] <abrotman> so, if you wanted to try the kernel from stretch-backports, you could
1260 [13:35:52] <abrotman> dpkg: tell brutser about stretch backports
1261 [13:36:39] <brutser> ok i will give that a try, will need to read about it yes, not familiar
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1297 [14:01:22] <beeperdeeper089> If I get assigned a pool of IPs, how can I use the different IPs for different things through out the system? (Sorry. I'm new to this)
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1301 [14:03:03] <abrotman> beeperdeeper089: that depends on what you're trying to use them for
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1304 [14:06:13] <beeperdeeper089> abrotman: I'm not really too sure, I'm getting server space, with a /29 of addresses. I was thinking I can run an Apache server on one IP, and have other services running on other IPs, like create a VM for Jenkins builds, and have that with it's own IP
1305 [14:08:35] <abrotman> Most daemons have a way to bind to a specific IP
1306 [14:08:52] <beeperdeeper089> ah ok.
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1313 [14:15:05] <bites> or use containers with public ips.
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1319 [14:18:44] <bites> beeperdeeper089: funny that you get a /29 subnet without a real reason. what provider is that, if i may ask?
1320 [14:21:03] <blackflow> bites: OVH gives out /24 per server, like halloween candy.
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1322 [14:23:02] <bites> blackflow: /24 of public ips? do you have a source for that?
1323 [14:24:09] <bites> blackflow: oh, found it.
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1325 [14:24:54] <JPT> For the more expensive servers, i assume?
1326 [14:25:18] <bites> for the dedicated servers it seems, yes.
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1329 [14:25:39] <abrotman> and /64s for IPv6
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1332 [14:25:51] <JPT> Sure, a /64 is easy and cheap to hand out.
1333 [14:25:57] <JPT> But a /24 for one machine?
1334 [14:26:03] <bites> madness
1335 [14:26:20] <abrotman> JPT: and absurd
1336 [14:26:44] <JPT> As far as i know, we only have about half of a /8 worth of addresses left in the IPv4 space
1337 [14:27:08] <JPT> [See replaced-url
1338 [14:27:15] <blackflow> well it's a good thing OVH is wasting them like that. The sooner we deplete it, the faster we'll all get on board ipv6 once and for all
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1340 [14:28:00] <JPT> I like that idea, but i also know that there will be a lot of machines that will still run IPv4 for the next ~16 years
1341 [14:28:35] <JPT> The ipx protocol was just recently removed from the linux kernel with no one complaining. So, there's that. :D
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1349 [14:34:16] <blackflow> JPT: the part I'm concerned about is carrier grade IPv4 NAT. an incentive for them not to go ipv6. dual stack issues for us who'll have to support it for years to come.
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1351 [14:34:32] <JPT> CGNAT is the worst.
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1353 [14:34:55] <JPT> A friend of mine is affected. Setting up P2P multiplayer games is a hell
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1356 [14:36:11] <JPT> At least my ISP offers proper dualstack with one v4 address and a /56 prefix on v6.
1357 [14:36:27] <blackflow> ooh, /56. generous :)
1358 [14:36:47] <JPT> Well, i had to set my isp-provided router to ask for 56 bits, but i get them. :D
1359 [14:37:39] <JPT> Well, my ISP got a whole 2003::/19, so they should not be greedy with it for now.
1360 [14:38:33] <blackflow> that's sad. the whole point of it was to hand out things like /48 per org, so you don't end up with a gazillion of subnets smaller than /48 per provider.
1361 [14:39:08] <JPT> Well, my ISP is "Deutsche Telekom". They are probably large enough to ask for a bit more.
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1363 [14:39:14] <JPT> Either that or they messed up the whois data
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1365 [14:39:48] <JPT> I work at a university - we got a /48 through the DFN, and that's still a lot of subnets
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1372 [14:40:57] <jelly> a RIPE entry is one thing, and routing is another, it's not a problem if there're lots of subnets owner by different folks as long as everything is still routed to one place
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1374 [14:42:28] <JPT> Also, with IPv6 you can do hierarchical, tree-like structures. So you can hide the 10k of subnets behind the router at your point of presence
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1386 [14:47:02] <nejeeeee> i have a strange problem, whenever i take a screenshot in the picture there's a black square hiding part of the screen
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1388 [14:47:27] <JPT> What tool do you use for taking that screenshot?
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1392 [14:51:31] <nejeeeee> keyboard
1393 [14:51:37] <nejeeeee> i'm in cinnamon
1394 [14:52:00] <nejeeeee> the problem started when i added another screen
1395 [14:52:42] <JPT> Are those screens set to different resolutions?
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1397 [14:53:53] <nejeeeee> i don't think so
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1401 [14:54:13] <nejeeeee> maybe yes, the screen have a different resolution
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1403 [14:54:59] <danielh1234> nejeeeee: is there actually something hidden that you can see on the screen, or is there just black padding where the screens don't line up?
1404 [14:57:12] <JPT> Just to take at your screen configuration: Can you paste the output of 'xrandr' here and link it to us? replaced-url
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1406 [14:58:24] <JPT> Apart from that, i am already out of ideas, since i don't use cinnamon. :|
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1408 [14:58:57] <nejeeeee> replaced-url
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1412 [15:00:37] <JPT> Okay, so you have two screens with different resolutions next to each other. Alignment looks okay. I would expect a black area where the screen with the 1920x1080 resolution is since the screenshot of that screen will be smaller than the bigger one next to it
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1416 [15:01:29] <nejeeeee> how can i show you a screen?
1417 [15:01:41] <JPT> Sure. Just make sure you don't accidentally leak private information
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1419 [15:01:52] <abrotman> picpaste.com
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1425 [15:06:08] <nejeeeee> replaced-url
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1429 [15:06:40] <JPT> Okay. The black area in the bottom right is expected.
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1431 [15:06:50] <JPT> But that rectangle in the middle of your left screen is not.
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1434 [15:07:22] <JPT> Maybe cinnamon shows a popup before taking the screenshot or maybe there is a window behind your video player?
1435 [15:07:38] <bites> is that a background image or a video player in flull screen? is that black rectangle still ther if you close the video?
1436 [15:07:39] <nejeeeee> this always happens
1437 [15:07:57] <JPT> Maybe there is another application hooked up to your "screenshot" hotkey that does this?
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1440 [15:08:48] <iLogic> i'm using wpa_supplicant for wifi and it seems to work fine with outside ips, but somehow i cant access my local servers on debian jessie.. anyone has a hint where the problem might be?
1441 [15:09:02] <nejeeeee> is there a way to verify this? anyway removing the second screen will fix the problem
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1444 [15:10:07] <JPT> nejeeeee: Can you change your configuration so that the screenshot hotkey is on a different key? Maybe that already helps
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1447 [15:10:42] <JPT> Removing your monitor will probably not change the result, i think
1448 [15:10:43] <danielh1234> iLogic: how do you set up your IP? maybe check the routes `ip r`
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1450 [15:11:14] <nejeeeee> i've already tried it, without the second monitor the screenshots are fine
1451 [15:11:23] <JPT> Oh, okay? :|
1452 [15:13:34] <danielh1234> nejeeeee: Do other screenshot programs have the same problem? Or can you start your screenshot application without using the screenshot key?
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1454 [15:14:04] <iLogic> danielh1234: dhcp via /etc/network/interfaces
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1458 [15:15:17] <nejeeeee> i've never tried with other software
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1461 [15:16:46] <lucas-arg> hey guys, wanted to connect an ipad pro to debian to transfer some files, in kde dolphin sees the ipad as a camera but cant access to its folders... no clue why, in ubuntu gnome i can see it a pendrive mounted as Documents in iPad
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1463 [15:17:59] <danielh1234> iLogic: does this dhcp setup occur after the connection? if so, and if other devices in the network can communicate just fine there should be an appropriate local route in `ip r`. Also check for weird routing options in your router that might isolate local devices.
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1468 [15:19:47] <iLogic> danielh1234: i'll check, thanks!
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1522 [15:51:45] <maroloccio> Hi. Reporting bug with Testing and GNOME thumbnailing system, now front-ended by bwrap, it fails for thumbnailers that are shell scripts because the sandbox containerised filesystem does not mount all required paths (e.g. can't find /bin/bash, and if I copy that to /usr/bin it advances, but can't find other things like /sbin/ldconfig, ...)
1523 [15:53:10] <annadane> maroloccio, try filing an actual bug via email or reportbug; #debian is not for bug reporting and no one is likely to see it
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1547 [16:08:01] <limbo_> How do I get aptitude to hide :i386 packages by default? Makes searching for somehting take twice as long.
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1616 [16:47:45] <maroloccio> annadane: ok, sorry, I filed it here (thanks) -> replaced-url
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1689 [17:22:38] <infodigital> hello guys
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1692 [17:23:09] <infodigital> hi
1693 [17:23:24] <annadane> !ask
1694 [17:23:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1695 [17:23:54] <infodigital> why my wifiphisher is incorrectly for connect
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1697 [17:24:07] <annadane> is wifiphisher in debian?
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1700 [17:24:32] <infodigital> yes in version parrot linux with debian
1701 [17:24:35] <annadane> !parrot
1702 [17:24:35] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
1703 [17:24:42] <annadane> sorry, not supported here
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1705 [17:24:55] <infodigital> is one distro debian
1706 [17:24:59] <annadane> !based on debian
1707 [17:24:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1710 [17:25:41] <infodigital> ok friends thank for your help
1711 [17:26:02] <infodigital> have nice day
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1765 [18:00:47] <zxd> anyone familiar with tool vmstat?
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1808 [18:30:01] <strive> What's Debian 9s default desktop env?
1809 [18:30:20] <strive> If there's one.
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1825 [18:36:06] <mtn> strive: you get lots of choices at install time
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1977 [20:18:11] <quantum> Anyone know how to download a dynamic website?
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2016 [20:42:03] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> hi, i just installed Debian 9 using CD1, and then proceeded to install xorg, lightdm and MATE. When I rebooted the computer, X did not start, the monitor went black and then I saw an Out of Frequency message on the screen which shows HF: 72.9kHz and VF:81.0Hz. My monitor is an LG FLATRON ez T710BH
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2019 [20:42:59] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> My monitor refresh rates, according to the manufacturer, are HorizSync 30-71 VertRefresh 50-160
2020 [20:43:40] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> How can i solve my problem and have X working?
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2027 [20:45:32] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> For the record, i am a desktop newbie
2028 [20:46:18] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2029 [20:46:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.16-2); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2030 [20:46:21] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2036 [20:50:18] <jhutchins> upgrade seems to have skipped the kernel headers...
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2040 [20:51:05] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> i read replaced-url
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2055 [20:57:56] <phogg> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: In your situation I would write an xorg.conf that specifies a Monitor section with your known-good refresh rates and then try again.
2056 [20:58:23] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> i am a desktop newbie, how can i do that?
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2060 [20:59:45] <phogg> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: see if you have a file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf and if you do edit it. If you don't create one using your favorite text editor.
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2064 [21:00:40] <phogg> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: the file contents must be at least on X "Monitor" section, although I believe you may require a bit more than that to avoid autodetection. Google can provide examples; I believe the arch wiki covers a minimal config file.
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2066 [21:00:50] <phogg> s/least on/least one/
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2070 [21:01:47] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> phogg, can you tell me ALL the info that i have to write into that xorg.conf file? arch wiki? i have debian 9
2071 [21:01:47] <phogg> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: running Xorg -configure is supposed to generate one for you. Did you run that?
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2073 [21:02:10] <phogg> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: I can't. You may require a lot or only a little; covering every possible option would take many hours.
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2076 [21:03:15] <phogg> even if the generated xorg.conf file is not entirely correct it would give you a template to edit
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2081 [21:05:05] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> phogg, many hours for a desktop newbie?
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2086 [21:07:25] <jhutchins> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: X configuration is a very big subject, we can't possibly tell you everything.
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2088 [21:08:29] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> jhutchins, but where is the desktop newbie friendly guide to deal with problems like mine?
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2097 [21:10:49] <somiaj> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: do you have an xorg.conf file, did you try to startx without any xorg.conf file?
2098 [21:11:10] <somiaj> the monintors edid should tell xorg what modes it can support (both resolution and refresh rates)
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2105 [21:16:43] <agio> hi all, Im running minimal debian install, yet something is causing my screen to turn off about every 5 or 10 minutes. does anyone know how to fix this?
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2108 [21:18:20] <Chip_CPU> hi
2109 [21:18:35] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> somiaj, i installed debian 9 using CD1 and then I rebooted the computer. Once the computer was up i installed xorg, ligthdm and mate-desktop-environment. After i rebooted the PC, i saw the light blue grub menu and the computer booted up but at some point the screen went pitch black and the message "out of frequency" appeared on the screen a few seconds later
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2137 [21:33:14] <somiaj> LG_Flatron_EZ-T7: I'm unsure why the edid isn't being detected correctly. What video card do you have by chance?
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2140 [21:35:22] <LG_Flatron_EZ-T7> somiaj, GeForce FX 5200 (rev a1)
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2143 [21:36:48] <somiaj> and you are just using the stnadard nouveau drivers? I don't see why your monintor isn't being detected correctly
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2147 [21:37:45] <somiaj> you could check your Xorg.0.log file to see what is actually being detected. Though if you had ssh, the output of xrandr from that dispaly could be helpful as well in seeing what modes xorg has detected for your monintor. It wont' be too difficult to change modes that have been detected. Creating a custom ModeLine is a bit more work
2148 [21:37:57] <somiaj> maybe share /var/log/Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net
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2189 [22:00:45] <kingmallu> hi
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2192 [22:01:41] <kingmallu> other than using an external usb adapter is there anyway to enable wlan through vmbox in kali linux
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2194 [22:02:29] <annadane> !kali
2195 [22:02:30] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2196 [22:02:48] <kingmallu> ok
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2259 [22:48:13] <exifbono> hello everyone. I installed debian stretch with LXDE on chroot on a 5" mobile phone, but of course the bar is very small, fonts difficult to read... is there any quick tip to make X fit the screen in an actually readable, pleasurable way?
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2266 [22:51:52] <jelly> exifbono: connect it to a larger screen?
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2270 [22:53:35] <exifbono> jelly, ahah, point is to have a small but still usable debian with me when I travel and don't feel like having the whole laptop
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2274 [22:54:57] <mike__> is it the right place to ask for help here ?
2275 [22:55:13] <annadane> mike__, for debian, yes
2276 [22:55:16] <exifbono> Hi mike__ , if it's debian related you are in the rigth place
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2279 [22:55:51] <mike__> ok . it is sure Debian -ish :)
2280 [22:55:54] <jelly> exifbono: I don't think X can be usable on a 5" screen. Perhaps a single terminal would work.
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2282 [22:56:46] <jelly> mike__: which distro is it really? if it's a derivative distro and not actually Debian there are better places.
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2285 [22:57:41] <exifbono> jelly, yeah lxde is working just fine, I just had to play around with size and now got WxH 310x550 =D
2286 [22:57:47] <mike__> jelly, i am not sure i am trying everyone to find a "nice one "
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2288 [22:58:11] <exifbono> mike__, just ask
2289 [22:58:15] <jelly> you're not sure what you installed?
2290 [22:59:10] <jelly> exifbono: it's not "just ask", this channel is likely to point elsewhere and agressively refuse help if it's a derivative (for technical and social reasons)
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2292 [22:59:45] <mike__> ok whenever i "click" on Videos ( vlc opens it self ,always with same video,even on that directory is few of them
2293 [23:00:03] <mike__> if it make sense
2294 [23:00:07] <exifbono> jelly, I understand, but we already said that and he's idling, maybe the question will make clear what OS is he actually using
2295 [23:00:18] <exifbono> what OS, mike__ ?
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2297 [23:00:36] <jelly> !debian suite
2298 [23:00:37] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
2299 [23:00:37] <mike__> parrot ?
2300 [23:00:43] <jelly> !parrot
2301 [23:00:43] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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2303 [23:01:02] <mike__> ok
2304 [23:01:46] <mike__> well i had debian before to and just coz of lack of support i am trying everythig
2305 [23:02:02] <annadane> "lack of support" doesn't really define debian for me
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2307 [23:02:29] <annadane> use what you want but it's generally not recommended to use pentesting tools like kali/parrot for a daily desktop especially if you're a novice
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2311 [23:04:57] <mike__> well iv ben here many times asking for help with wifi ,gpu ,etc.. it was terrible . so i am switching for every os that wil work for me . parot has a home option and all (that did not work) on debian works . just a problem with vlc . but sure i understand your pressure
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2313 [23:05:53] <annadane> up to you. sorry we couldn't help, the support here is generally good (except when i do it)
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2317 [23:07:15] <mike__> isn't it sick that you all ppl try to compete on linux ?
2318 [23:07:51] <annadane> in what sense?
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2321 [23:08:38] <mike__> oh thats parrot "go fuck your self" you want to "hack" ! or maybe for some reason i just like the interface and it is DEBIAN
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2323 [23:09:08] <exifbono> mike__, is not that we compete, but if we put in one room all the issues of every distro it becomes a mayhem in no time. I don't see much competition in the distros, to be honest.
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2325 [23:09:38] <mike__> thx exifbono
2326 [23:09:42] <mike__> i do
2327 [23:09:47] <annadane> what exifbono said and also, we're not likely to know the solution to problems in other distributions that we're not familiar with
2328 [23:10:09] <mike__> and i am wonder why ?
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2330 [23:10:12] <exifbono> And the interface has nothing to do with it, distros are different on a more deep level. I don't even know how to use pacman, how can I help you with Arch?
2331 [23:10:20] <annadane> because nobody can know everything?
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2333 [23:10:53] <mike__> what arch or pacman have to do with debian ?
2334 [23:11:11] <mike__> parrrot is pure debian
2335 [23:11:57] <exifbono> mike__, I was giving you an example about another distro
2336 [23:12:38] <mike__> unfortunately on parrot i can wait forever for help so i come here .
2337 [23:12:40] <exifbono> I'm not here to argue anyway. With all due respect for every FOSS project in the world, this is just the debian support room
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2340 [23:13:26] <mike__> so if it is debian support may i ask for "debian" support please ?
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2350 [23:17:24] <exifbono> what's the issue, mike__ ?
2351 [23:17:36] <mike__> thank you :) it was a pleasure no matter what i use :)
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2356 [23:19:38] <mike__> exifbono, when i click on panel or i hover for videos instead of directing me to that folder vlc is opening it self always with the same movie . then i have troubles to close it
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2358 [23:20:07] <exifbono> wasn't this the problem on parrot?
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2361 [23:20:50] <annadane> "panel"... is this the xfce panel?
2362 [23:20:57] <mike__> exifbono, i wish i know
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2368 [23:22:40] <exifbono> What's the output of lsb_release -sc
2369 [23:23:09] <mike__> exifbono, me ?
2370 [23:23:19] <exifbono> yes
2371 [23:23:37] <mike__> stable
2372 [23:24:36] <exifbono> what DE?
2373 [23:25:23] <mike__> exifbono, would you please provide me a command that answers all at once ?
2374 [23:25:28] <mike__> :)
2375 [23:25:53] <mike__> and thank you
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2377 [23:26:33] <exifbono> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
2378 [23:26:36] <mike__> i guess it is mate ?
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2382 [23:27:09] <mike__> indeed
2383 [23:28:04] <mike__> └──╼ $ echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
2384 [23:28:04] <mike__> MATE
2385 [23:28:23] <exifbono> So, you try opening a file, VLC opens but always with another movie, without opening that file specifically?
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2387 [23:28:27] <exifbono> is that the thing?
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2389 [23:28:57] <mike__> no
2390 [23:29:04] <mike__> not really
2391 [23:29:22] <mike__> if i open a folder videos
2392 [23:29:38] <mike__> it opens the vlc
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2394 [23:30:20] <mike__> i can only open a right video with terminal
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2396 [23:30:57] <exifbono> what does it mean to open a folder videos? A folder that only contains videos?
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2400 [23:31:18] <mike__> yes
2401 [23:31:18] <mike__> indeed
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2403 [23:31:59] <exifbono> ok, so with your file manager you go to a folder, you click on the folder and..?
2404 [23:32:22] <mike__> no
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2407 [23:33:20] <mike__> on the panel (top one ) i have "Applications" ,Places, System
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2410 [23:34:44] <mike__> if i go to places and choose videos instead of option what video i want . vlc opens always with same one
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2412 [23:36:10] <mike__> my English sucks but i hope you can get some value :)
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2416 [23:38:24] <mike__> normally i guess if you go to"places" and choose "videos" it will show you a content of that folder instead of opening whatever the comp choose to
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2419 [23:40:50] <mike__> here the moment i choose videos (even there is few) i have no choice . the vlc just open same video over and over again
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2422 [23:41:24] <mike__> hope that make sence exifbono
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2424 [23:41:38] <mike__> and thx
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2428 [23:44:54] <mike__> exifbono, ?
2429 [23:45:20] <mike__> we done ?
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2431 [23:46:54] <exifbono> sorry I have troubles understanding. It could be just that I am not used to mate, so I may not get the situation on my head.
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2434 [23:50:53] <mike__> exifbono, ok fair enough :) is there a way to help you to help me ?
2435 [23:51:41] <exifbono> Basically I don't understand what is "go to places"
2436 [23:51:56] <exifbono> are you opening a file manager, or what?
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2438 [23:52:35] <mike__> on the panel i have 3 options
2439 [23:53:03] <mike__> Applications . Places .System
2440 [23:53:15] <annadane> if you use the mozo package (that's what it is in debian, i don't know about parrot) you can edit menu items and you can edit the path associated with locations
2441 [23:53:31] <annadane> don't know if that fixes the issue or not
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2443 [23:54:00] <mike__> i just realized no matter what i choose on "Places" always vlc opens without asking
2444 [23:55:06] <mike__> annadane, thank you i am trying all distros just to make it wark :) i am not sure what to do
2445 [23:55:26] <mike__> work*
2446 [23:55:43] <annadane> um, well, if you "try all distros" and you start from scratch then you should not have that issue at all because it'd be a fresh system
2447 [23:56:14] <annadane> is that why you're trying debian and parrot and all this, purely to avoid the vlc problem? how long have you had this issue and with how many distros?
2448 [23:56:17] <mike__> it is fresh ! two or 3 days ?
2449 [23:56:23] <mike__> 3
2450 [23:56:27] <annadane> i've never had this vlc problem
2451 [23:56:38] <annadane> and i don't know how parrot handles it
2452 [23:56:47] <mike__> me too:)
2453 [23:56:55] <exifbono> never heard of it neither. And in all the distros you tried VLC gave this same problem?
2454 [23:57:05] <mike__> is there a way to prove it ?
2455 [23:57:11] <mike__> i am serious
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2460 [23:58:18] <mike__> exifbono, no it is a first time . but almost all else works fine
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