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75 [00:42:43] <KeVaNo> Whomst is dutch
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77 [00:43:07] <KevinOtten> whos up
78 [00:43:17] <KevinOtten> bitchface malone IIII
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80 [00:43:44] <KevinOtten> uuuuh
81 [00:43:49] <KevinOtten> how does this work
82 [00:44:49] <KevinOtten> which linux version are y'all on>
83 [00:45:14] <megaTherion> none
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249 [02:20:49] <SirJls> good evening :)
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252 [02:22:22] <SirJls> I was wondering if there was anybody would could help me with a particulair problem i'm facing... I'm trying to install gtk+-3.0 on a docker container running debian strech-slim, but I get quite a nasy dependency hell...
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254 [02:22:45] <SirJls> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
255 [02:22:47] <SirJls> gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 : Depends: gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 (= 0.33-3.3) but it is not going to be installed
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257 [02:22:49] <SirJls> gir1.2-spiceclientgtk-3.0 : Breaks: gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 (< 0.34) but 0.33-3.3 is to be installed
258 [02:22:51] <SirJls> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
259 [02:22:53] <SirJls> Y
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263 [02:24:29] <jim> you might try this... if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999
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270 [02:29:54] <annadane> i think the package name is netcat, not nc
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273 [02:30:24] <jim> I see gtk3 in apt-cache search gtk
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276 [02:30:44] <jim> yeah, for nc, the package is netcat as annadane says
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285 [02:31:39] <petn-randall> ,v gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0
286 [02:31:41] <judd> Package: gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.12-5; jessie: 0.25-1+b1; stretch: 0.33-3.3
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290 [02:32:09] <petn-randall> SirJls: Seems as though you're trying to mix releases. That is not supported.
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294 [02:32:29] <petn-randall> SirJls: If you think it's a bug in Debian, please provide the following:
295 [02:32:30] <petn-randall> !bat
296 [02:32:30] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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304 [02:35:03] <kittonian> can anyone tell me why when I'm sudo'd to root the global /etc/profile PATH works as it should, but when I sudo su to any other user it does not?
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306 [02:35:26] <kittonian> I have a path to postgresql in the /etc/profile file and yet only root gets a valid response when I do a type -a pg_ctl
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308 [02:35:54] <RoyK> sudo -i
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312 [02:38:51] <petn-randall> kittonian: What are you exactly typing? Details matter.
313 [02:39:25] <kittonian> if I sudo to root and type "type -a pg_ctl" it shows me the correct response of where that command exists
314 [02:39:48] <kittonian> if I then sudo su username to any other user and type the same command it says command not found
315 [02:39:51] <petn-randall> kittonian: *How* do you sudo to root?
316 [02:40:03] <petn-randall> What are the exact command you use?
317 [02:40:17] <petn-randall> +s
318 [02:40:19] <kittonian> and I cannot start our calendarserver because any user besides root is not reading the gobal path
319 [02:40:26] <kittonian> forget about sudo'ing to root
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321 [02:40:35] <kittonian> I was just explaining what works and what doesn't
322 [02:40:53] <kittonian> just as any normal user, typing type -a pg_ctl says command not found
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325 [02:41:14] <kittonian> so the server won't start because it cannot find the postgres commands specified in the global path
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328 [02:41:32] <petn-randall> kittonian: Sure, but you've still not told us how you actually switch users.
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330 [02:42:08] <petn-randall> kittonian: There are ways that preserve ENV, and ways that change it to the one that a logged in user would get.
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332 [02:42:52] <kittonian> petn-randall, who cares?
333 [02:43:01] <kittonian> i am not even switching users
334 [02:43:08] <kittonian> it was just an example to explain
335 [02:43:23] <kittonian> even if I login as me and never sudo to root, I get the same issue
336 [02:43:38] <kittonian> entering type -a pg_ctl does not read the global path to find that command
337 [02:44:17] <kittonian> the point is why no other user besides root can see the postgres commands when they are in the global path
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340 [02:46:34] <RoyK> kittonian: just "sudo - postgres" and then run pg_ctl
341 [02:46:50] <petn-randall> kittonian: That's likely because pg_ctl does not lie in your $PATH.
342 [02:47:10] <RoyK> or "sudo -i -u postgres", that is
343 [02:47:17] <RoyK> or just "su - postgres"
344 [02:47:23] * RoyK is tired
345 [02:47:39] <kittonian> petn-randall, but it does. it's in the global /etc/profile path
346 [02:47:40] <kittonian> replaced-url
347 [02:47:50] <kittonian> that's the output for my user only of a bash -x -l
348 [02:48:07] <kittonian> and RoyK, while I would love to do that, calendarserver is very specific and I cannot
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350 [02:48:58] <RoyK> kittonian: don't you have root on this?
351 [02:49:00] <petn-randall> kittonian: I'm sure the channel can help. Good luck.
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357 [02:51:26] <petn-randall> FWIW, pg_ctl is not installed by Debian into any path. So either you're changing PATH for one of your users, or you've got a 3rd party installation.
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360 [02:52:17] <petn-randall> Running `which pg_ctl` as the user that can access it, and then comparing `echo $PATH` of all users should help you finding out what the issue is.
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437 [03:50:05] <yokowka> havenno everysoul!!!! some of you sing dash-to-dock in debian 9 stretch gnome?
438 [03:50:44] <annadane> plenty of people use dash to dock, yes, it's one of the most common extensions
439 [03:51:19] <yokowka> annadane, directly you sing?
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441 [03:51:52] <annadane> not me, no
442 [03:52:04] <annadane> if you have a question about it, you should just ask and someone will get to it
443 [03:52:26] <melissa666> test
444 [03:52:27] <melissa666> test
445 [03:52:35] <dvs> !test
446 [03:52:35] <dpkg> Test failed.
447 [03:52:40] <annadane> or ask #gnome
448 [03:53:17] <melissa666> dvs, thanks - sorry lol - was just watching the traffic in wireshark ... should have just used PM :)
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451 [03:56:22] <yokowka> in manual: Installation from source The extension can be installed directly from source, either for the convenience of using git or to test the latest development version. Clone the desired branch with git <pre>git clone replaced-url
452 [03:56:22] <yokowka> цели и не найден make-файл. Останов. That is mean : no targets, no make-file. stoped.
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455 [03:58:15] <annadane> i want to say, instead of make it's better to put it in its own directory
456 [03:58:27] <annadane> but i'm not entirely certain
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458 [03:59:02] <Tom-_> dpkg, efi
459 [03:59:02] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
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462 [04:02:23] <bb36e> Does anyone know if there are plans/a timeline to backport kernel 4.17 to stretch?
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464 [04:02:54] <annadane> it first has to get into testing
465 [04:03:37] <annadane> ,kernels
466 [04:03:38] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
467 [04:03:39] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
468 [04:03:46] <annadane> even sid still has 4.16
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471 [04:05:00] <bb36e> Oof, gotcha. Apparently there's been a bunch of power improvements from 4.10-17, so my laptop will definitely appreciate it when it lands 😁
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477 [04:07:36] <csmall> bb36e: I just installed 4.17 and I'm excited to see if it helps my laptop power consumption as well.
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489 [04:18:08] <yokowka> watch you
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493 [04:18:40] <Cthu_> is apt-get -f upgrade relatively safe for production?
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495 [04:18:48] <Cthu_> after update
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497 [04:19:08] <Cthu_> looks like it upgrades a ton of my packages
498 [04:19:16] <Cthu_> haven't done it for years
499 [04:19:18] <annadane> i'd probably think it's fine
500 [04:19:22] <annadane> but get a second opinion
501 [04:19:51] <Cthu_> how do I check my Debian version and update it?
502 [04:19:58] <annadane> cat /etc/debian_version
503 [04:20:12] <Cthu_> I guess it's a good idea to update the OS to avoid security issues. thanks
504 [04:20:33] <annadane> if you're still on jessie and want to upgrade to stretch then read the release notes
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508 [04:21:35] <Cthu_> I'm on 8.10
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510 [04:21:51] <Cthu_> I think I'm good
511 [04:21:54] <Cthu_> or...
512 [04:21:58] <Cthu_> hell I have no clue
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514 [04:22:16] <annadane> well, full support for jessie ended, but there's still LTS for more server-side packages
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516 [04:23:05] <annadane> !lts
517 [04:23:05] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
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519 [04:23:22] <Cthu_> interesting
520 [04:23:26] <annadane> !jessie-lts
521 [04:23:26] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "jessie" from the Debian Security Team will end 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
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523 [04:23:45] <annadane> dpkg, no, lts is <reply> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
524 [04:23:45] <dpkg> annadane: okay
525 [04:23:53] <Cthu_> how risky is it to update it from 8 to 9? if I use a normal web-stack: LAMP
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527 [04:25:22] <Cthu_> okay
528 [04:25:31] <Cthu_> is it possible to undo the upgrade?
529 [04:25:33] <Cthu_> I think not
530 [04:25:37] <annadane> well, it depends on your needs but debian aims to make stable transitions seamless as possible
531 [04:25:41] <Cthu_> I just dropped my production
532 [04:25:43] <Cthu_> awesome
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535 [04:26:24] <annadane> um... maybe ctrl + c out of it? i don't know what you did to "upgrade" or what "dropped" means
536 [04:26:57] <annadane> but it really is best to, if you decide to upgrade to the next stable, read the release notes
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538 [04:27:57] <annadane> also if your sources list says jessie, apt upgrade won't put you on stretch
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540 [04:28:38] <annadane> apt -f upgrade may or may not even be necessary and it's kind of weird to have to do that on debian stable, did you have problems with apt upgrade by itself?
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546 [04:37:15] <limbo_> install etckeeper
547 [04:37:18] <limbo_> like, now.
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550 [04:37:59] <limbo_> It lets you undo anything you did to /etc/ by putting it in a git repo.
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552 [04:38:34] <Cthu_> it's good that I make images
553 [04:38:39] <Cthu_> well I pay for it
554 [04:38:52] <Cthu_> I've been pauying for it for more than two years
555 [04:39:03] <Cthu_> it's the first time I'm restoring from an image
556 [04:39:07] <Cthu_> like a freaking charm
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559 [04:40:36] <bb36e> I've read too many horror stories about backups to never start a backup system without testing the backups lol
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566 [04:48:05] <Cthu_> testing backups is a good idea
567 [04:48:13] <Cthu_> I should've done it before
568 [04:48:26] <Cthu_> but I'm lucky and it restored exactly what it used to be yesterday
569 [04:48:30] <Cthu_> didn't lose anything
570 [04:50:06] <Javabean> good backup solution.... which one is it?
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572 [04:51:04] <annadane> pUt It iN tHe ClOuD
573 [04:51:22] <dvs> ...so I can steal it
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575 [04:53:48] <bb36e> cat backup.tgz >> /dev/null, I have an SSD so this is fast
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577 [04:54:06] <annadane> why /dev/null?
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580 [04:54:57] <Javabean> 100% compression... but decompression is rather tricky
581 [04:55:26] <bb36e> lol
582 [04:55:53] <limbo_> Write-only filesystem.
583 [04:55:55] <Javabean> seriously, sending things to /dev/null just destroys it
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585 [04:56:41] <Cthu_> I use Wable's VDSes
586 [04:56:51] <Cthu_> they have their native imaging system
587 [04:56:57] <Cthu_> I'
588 [04:57:07] <Cthu_> Im thinking about moving to Amazon though
589 [04:57:12] <Javabean> will have to remember them
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592 [04:57:27] <Javabean> thanks for the information
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595 [04:57:45] <asarch> Is it possible to know the content of a uninstalled package?
596 [04:57:59] <asarch> dpkg -L only works with installed packages
597 [04:57:59] <dpkg> No packages found matching only works with installed packages
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601 [04:59:04] <Javabean> be careful asarch, dpkg is simply a bot. don't start a message with its name
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608 [05:02:46] <asarch> I know. Thank you :-)
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622 [05:08:41] <Nicolas> Hello there. I'm new with emacs, and I'm losing hair. Just too used to work with evil tabs, and (setq-default indent-tabs-mode t) doesn't work :(
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627 [05:09:04] <annadane> Nicolas, try #emacs
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629 [05:10:35] <Nicolas> annadane: thanks, I will cheer up
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639 [05:14:39] <tropicat> why is docker command not found\
640 [05:14:59] <tropicat> I installed the package through apt, and it still says command nount found
641 [05:15:03] <tropicat> when I type: "docker"
642 [05:15:16] <tropicat> same for sudo docker
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651 [05:22:51] <tropicat> don't worry. i figured it out. docker was referring to the wrong program (in this case a GUI app when I wanted the application container)
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676 [05:39:01] <akd> why sometimes do my google do exchange rate sometimes it does not ?
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678 [05:39:56] <annadane> that's not really relevant to #debian
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684 [05:42:17] <heston> hello guys, is it fairly normal for stretch to not receive any package updates over the course of about 2 weeks?
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686 [05:43:35] <annadane> i'd say so, but maybe you need to apt update
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688 [05:44:10] <heston> i do before i ever apt upgrade though I mostly use synaptic
689 [05:44:46] <annadane> and subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org - packages are frozen except security fixes and occasional bug fixes
690 [05:45:40] <heston> ok then, thanks
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711 [05:59:30] <Xavi92> Hello, I'm trying to install Debian 8 on an AMD K6-II-based laptop
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713 [06:00:00] <Xavi92> Problem is that the installation process always fails when uncompressing the kernel
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715 [06:00:40] <jimm> Xavi92, what is the filename of the installer you're using?
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718 [06:01:06] <jimm> also, is your cpu 32 bit or 64?
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720 [06:01:46] <Xavi92> firmware-8.10.0-i386-netinst.iso
721 [06:01:49] <Xavi92> IIRC
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723 [06:02:19] <jimm> ok, that's for 32 bit
724 [06:02:25] <Xavi92> Yup
725 [06:02:42] <Xavi92> The AMD K6-II is a 586 CPU, in the end
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727 [06:02:50] <Xavi92> Does not even support pae or cmov
728 [06:02:50] <jimm> how much ram do you have?
729 [06:02:55] <Xavi92> 160 MB
730 [06:03:05] <Xavi92> I know, it's a pretty old computer
731 [06:03:26] <jimm> hmm, that's very small, I wonder if that's the reason?
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733 [06:03:49] <Xavi92> I don't have access to "top" while running the installer, unfortunately
734 [06:03:56] <Xavi92> That could give us some useful info
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737 [06:04:14] <Xavi92> I mean,
738 [06:04:20] <jimm> but the kernel doesn't boot?
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740 [06:04:41] <Xavi92> It does not even get installed
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742 [06:05:02] <annadane> heston, and the reason there are few updates is because people run debian stable on their servers and servers require uptime
743 [06:05:09] <jimm> like, when you first boot, you get a menu including text-based install?
744 [06:05:41] <annadane> (among other reasons)
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747 [06:06:39] <Xavi92> Yup, that works OK
748 [06:07:00] <jimm> ok, what happens when you pick one of those?
749 [06:07:02] <Xavi92> It always returns an error while "Installing the base system"
750 [06:07:21] <jimm> oh, so the kernel and installer does load
751 [06:07:22] <Xavi92> When it reaches ~83%, which is when the kernel itself gets copied into HDD
752 [06:07:40] <jimm> hmm.
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754 [06:08:06] <jimm> how much disk space do you have?
755 [06:08:45] <Xavi92> 8 GB, ~7.5 GB on a ext2 partition (sda1) and a ~0.5 GB swap partition
756 [06:08:55] <Xavi92> That should be more than enough
757 [06:09:04] <jimm> yeah, should work fine
758 [06:09:23] <Xavi92> Moreover, I can't find any "not enough space" or similar messages on logs
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761 [06:09:42] <jimm> when the kernel is installed, it does some special stuff...
762 [06:09:55] <jimm> it tries to figure out how / is mounted
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764 [06:10:16] <jimm> and from that, it finds out what drivers are needed
765 [06:11:01] <jimm> once it knows that, it writes out an image whose purpose is to be loaded into a ramdisk at boot
766 [06:11:26] <jimm> the image gets the kernel modules necessary to mount /
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770 [06:12:14] <jimm> and when it boots, it loads that into ram, then loads the modules from that ramdisk, then it's done with the ramdisk so it frees it
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773 [06:13:16] <jimm> -maybe- something in that process is crashing the machine
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775 [06:14:34] <Xavi92> jimm: Could it be possible to load a 486 kernel instead?
776 [06:14:52] <Xavi92> It seems to crash while uncompressing linux-image-586.deb
777 [06:15:32] <jimm> I need to pause for something irl
778 [06:15:50] <Xavi92> I've tested two different CD-ROM (netinst and standard images)
779 [06:15:51] <Xavi92> OK
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785 [06:20:58] <jimm> you could try building a 486 kernel on another machine?
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788 [06:24:00] <jimm> there's the process of configuring the source (which writes .config file), there's building the kernel... those two things are not debian specific, but debian has a process for also building a package with the results of the compile (including the image itself and the kernel modules) and that process -is- debian specific
789 [06:24:27] <jimm> it puts code into the packaging that does the figuring I mentioned above
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795 [06:29:13] <jimm> so that when that package is later installed on some machine, it figures out how / is mounted -on that machine-
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798 [06:30:46] <jimm> having said -all- that, I still think your ram size is low for more modern debians (which 8 == jessie is)
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801 [06:32:09] <jimm> I'm in a hackerspace that's in the process of closing... I have to leave; good luck finding something that works...
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811 [06:40:54] <pi__> i want to capture radio on raspbian stretch
812 [06:40:54] <pi__> rpi3 but i cant see any capture devices
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814 [06:41:45] <pi__> i want to capture radio on raspbian stretch rpi3 but i cant see any capture devices listed in "record -l"
815 [06:42:32] <pi__> wat do i hav to change in .asoundrc to be able to capture audio output?
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818 [06:43:57] <jimm> pi__, I think you'd have to have a radio card for that
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820 [06:44:15] <pi__> it is internet radio
821 [06:44:31] <jimm> oh ok, like streamers
822 [06:45:06] <pi__> i tried so much with sox, arecord. i get errors
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824 [06:46:26] <jimm> I wonder if you'd get better info on either a hardware channel or a channel about raspian more specifically?
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826 [06:47:09] <pi__> tried in raspbian channel. no response
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829 [06:48:11] <jimm> here's something maybe you can use: there's a bot, alis, that can help you look for channels on the freenode irc net.. to get started, /msg alis help
830 [06:48:49] <jimm> anyway best of luck to you; I have to leave
831 [06:49:05] <pi__> ok thank u
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839 [06:56:42] <vuex> I'm on an older version of debian. With 9.4, which filesystem does it use? ext4
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841 [06:57:28] <vuex> better question, likely.. which filesystem should people be using?
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843 [06:57:35] <pi__> ext4
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847 [07:03:05] <vuex> how do i take 2 drives, and share the space on like /data
848 [07:03:21] <vuex> these are 2 new drives, but i'm thinking i want to combine them so that /data mounts both
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899 [07:39:53] <jelly> vuex: you might use LVM, mae the two disks parts ("physical volumes") of the same "volume group", then create a large "logical volume" inside that VG and a filesystem on top of that LV
900 [07:40:34] <jelly> any of two disks dying means you lose the whole filesystem
901 [07:42:11] <jelly> or if they're same size and similar performance, you might make a md raid0 array out of them. md is linux' soft raid subsystem
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909 [07:51:09] <heston> annadane, i gotcha, I just figured there would be more frequency security updates even
910 [07:51:32] <heston> but i need to call it a night here, gnight
911 [07:51:35] <annadane> you can sub to that mailing list i gave and also check out security.debian.org
912 [07:51:37] <annadane> night
913 [07:51:54] <heston> ok, ill check it out, thanks
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924 [07:54:20] <vuex> ty
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942 [08:08:55] <kingsley> My humble submission for Buster's artwork[1] is at
943 [08:08:59] <kingsley> replaced-url
944 [08:09:14] <kingsley> [1] replaced-url
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972 [08:26:27] <sveta2> after update from wheezy to jessie, wireless is no longer available
973 [08:26:43] <xormor> there was a command to look at the "ELF" magic etc. on an executable file. What command is that?
974 [08:27:00] <annadane> xormor, i don't understand your question
975 [08:27:08] <sveta2> using kde. tray icon applet says 'wlan interface - unavailable'. reinstalling firmware-iwlfiwi does not help
976 [08:27:45] <xormor> annadane, I mean the command showed the properties of the executable file on GNU/Linux. what was the name of the command?
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978 [08:28:50] <Kocane> Anyone got a tip to find out what spins down my hdds?
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980 [08:29:30] <Kocane> It's wd reds, they usually never spun down automatically before but after I installed 'tuned' and messed with that, it seems like I cant avoid my disks spinning down. Even my god damn spare SSD is listed as being in standby.
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984 [08:30:06] <Kocane> Obviously I've removed tuned, after fiddling with the settings didnt work. I've set HDPARM -S to 0 on all disks but they still go into standby.
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987 [08:31:07] <annadane> xormor, properties... well, you can use ls -l to get general parameters of a file
988 [08:31:15] <annadane> ls -l blah.exe
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990 [08:31:27] <annadane> or file blah.exe to determine what kind of file it is
991 [08:31:32] <annadane> i may be misunderstanding your question though
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997 [08:33:12] <xormor> annadane, the info was more detailed, it showed file properties like the "ELF" encoded in hexadecimal. I read about it in an assembly tutorial earlier, but I do not remember the name of the command. "file" is a good command though, so is "ls -l".
998 [08:33:34] <annadane> oh sorry, i don't really know in that case
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1000 [08:36:06] <xormor> I was shifting through the "file" commandline arguments/options to find the view.. I think it is somewhat a rare command to use.
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1005 [08:39:33] <bites> xormor: are you looking for readelf? e.g. readelf -h <binary>
1006 [08:39:49] <annadane> oh that does sound familiar
1007 [08:41:10] <xormor> bites, yes, I already found it on Google before I looked at your answer, but thank you!
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1021 [08:48:30] <mail-man> Hi all, I'm having some issues when making any sort of I/O operations on any type of medium (SSDs, regular HDD, USB flashdrive, etc), for some reason, my CPU usage goes nuts, the system becomes sluggish, and iowait goes up to 600% whenever I attempt to copy a file, here's a screenshot of my system monitor: replaced-url
1022 [08:48:42] <mail-man> I'm running Debian stretch on an Intel 2600 CPU, z77 chipset, and an SSD, I haven't changed any kernel parameters or implemented any exotic configuration, strangely enough, this happens on all of my 4 debian systems
1023 [08:48:55] <annadane> :(
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1033 [08:56:23] <AlwaysHigh> huh my debian is saying apt-get doesnt exist
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1041 [09:05:08] <annadane> AlwaysHigh, hmm... any apt functionality at all? is apt installed?
1042 [09:05:22] <AlwaysHigh> annadane, i just had to try reinstall
1043 [09:05:34] <AlwaysHigh> seems to have fixed the commands ive used so far
1044 [09:05:45] <annadane> well, that'll certainly do it...
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1075 [09:20:04] <fiet> AlwaysHigh: You might want to check /var/log/apt* to find out what happened.
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1087 [09:25:13] <zprd> hi
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1089 [09:25:53] <annadane> hi
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1094 [09:27:08] <zprd> I am running integration tests with lxc that runs among other tasks, intallation of some packages, is there a quota on replaced-url
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1096 [09:27:11] <testingthisappar> hitherecoderbuddies u like apparmor?
1097 [09:27:25] <zprd> can I be banned or throttled?
1098 [09:27:31] <testingthisappar> zprd: yes
1099 [09:27:36] <testingthisappar> you can do it!
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1101 [09:28:09] <themill> zprd: no, but you could be polite to donated bandwidth and also get improved performance by using a local apt caching proxy such as apt-cache-ng
1102 [09:28:15] <zprd> testingthisappar: I can do it, you mean no risk to be banned
1103 [09:28:27] <testingthisappar> zprd: they won't ban you. just do what you need to do.
1104 [09:28:41] <zprd> yes a cache would be the best, I do agree
1105 [09:28:52] <testingthisappar> cash is king
1106 [09:29:03] <annadane> please stop trolling the channel
1107 [09:29:10] <testingthisappar> ok annadane
1108 [09:29:15] <themill> zprd: also you should use deb.debian.org and you'll find that is pointing you towards a commercial cdn
1109 [09:29:52] <testingthisappar> commercialism is rampant these days
1110 [09:29:52] <zprd> hum I got resolved this replaced-url
1111 [09:30:02] <themill> testingthisappar: that's enough, thanks
1112 [09:30:16] <testingthisappar> ok themill
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1118 [09:30:58] <zprd> ok thanks for confirming
1119 [09:31:39] <zprd> I will dig on today's problem, cannot resolve some libs like replaced-url
1120 [09:31:59] <zprd> (original query replaced-url
1121 [09:33:09] <themill> what version of debian is that supposed to be for?
1122 [09:33:20] <themill> (it's nowhere in debian)
1123 [09:33:23] <zprd> stretch
1124 [09:33:37] <themill> you need to apt-get update first
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1126 [09:33:53] <zprd> I hope I do
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1128 [09:33:58] <zprd> i got to check
1129 [09:34:10] <themill> not if you're requesting a package that has long since been superseded ;)
1130 [09:34:18] <themill> ,v libssl1.1
1131 [09:34:20] <judd> Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.1.0f-3+deb9u2; buster: 1.1.0h-4; sid: 1.1.0h-4; experimental: 1.1.1~~pre7-1
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1143 [09:37:44] <zprd> well I did apt-get -qq update && apt-get install -qq -y ...
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1146 [09:38:02] <zprd> but must somthing about update
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1148 [09:38:08] <zprd> thx guys
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1153 [09:41:24] <momomo> I have a printer that I've successfully installed using WPS and without cables ... however, the Scanner functionality seem to work, at least with my program on Ubunut (Mint). Is there a program or an easy way to get the scanner functionality to work as well without cables ?
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1156 [09:42:49] <somiaj> You say it works without calbes in Ubuntu Mint? What software is used there, and is it packaged for debian?
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1162 [09:43:49] <momomo> somiaj: the printer is setup as a network printer
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1166 [09:44:44] <somiaj> that wasn't really the question, does it work as expected in ubuntu mint, if so what software are you using there to make it work as a scanner?
1167 [09:44:46] <momomo> somiaj: i do have a page for the printer where I can see a bunch of information
1168 [09:44:52] <momomo> somiaj: the printing does
1169 [09:44:53] <momomo> yes
1170 [09:45:08] <momomo> somiaj: normally with a cable there is a program called simplescan
1171 [09:45:19] <somiaj> are you running ubuntu mint or debian?
1172 [09:45:24] <momomo> I think it was bundled in.. i can't really configure anything there as to what the source is
1173 [09:45:32] <momomo> it seems to just know when the cable is connected
1174 [09:46:04] <momomo> so I think the program is good enough
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1176 [09:46:17] <somiaj> again, are you running ubuntu mint or debian?
1177 [09:46:29] <momomo> problem googling scanner wps or ip on google leads to a lot wireshark related
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1179 [09:47:00] <momomo> ubuntu mint ... but it is debian underneath no? i guess I could install a debian program if there is one
1180 [09:47:05] <somiaj> !mint
1181 [09:47:05] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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1183 [09:47:24] <somiaj> momomo: we don't support based on debian here, they change things. But what you are asking just may not be possible in linux in general.
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1186 [09:48:07] <momomo> somiaj: do you know any great scanner programs for debian?
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1188 [09:48:22] <somiaj> I have not heard of a wireless scanning protocol, so unless your printer/scanner can do this functionality by canning/sending an email or something like that to make it avaialble, as far as I know, you will need to use a cable.
1189 [09:49:01] <momomo> somiaj: hehe .. so much for "wireless" and cable free setups
1190 [09:49:03] <somiaj> momomo: You are choosing to run ubuntu/mint, you should use their support, and get software for them. There are differences between mint and debian, and we may not know them, so our policy in #debian is to support Debian.
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1192 [09:49:29] <momomo> somiaj: lots of noobs ...
1193 [09:49:37] <momomo> but forget my background now
1194 [09:49:41] <momomo> and let me repeat my question
1195 [09:49:46] <somiaj> so, this is not the place to ask for support for ubuntu/mint
1196 [09:49:47] <momomo> do you know any great scanner programs for debian?
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1201 [09:53:17] <tlatelolco> Hello. I'm trying to install ampache on raspbian and here is the error message: replaced-url
1202 [09:53:30] <somiaj> !raspbian
1203 [09:53:31] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1205 [09:54:00] <themill> tlatelolco: you'd ask the people who are giving you these packages for non-broken packages.
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1218 [10:00:28] <sveta2> 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) -- debian jessie -- network-manager says i am connected (and i can reach the modem htt://192.168.1.1) but beyond that nothing is sent or received. please help
1219 [10:00:52] <sveta2> ping 8.8.8.8 returns 100% packet loss
1220 [10:01:03] <sveta2> i have to use eth0 to surf the web or connect to irc
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1222 [10:02:18] <sveta2> replaced-url
1223 [10:02:40] <somiaj> if you can ping your gateway, but can't get past the gateway, it is some issue with the gateway/modem/router
1224 [10:03:13] <sveta2> it works ok with a live cd of another distro, somiaj
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1226 [10:03:28] <sveta2> it also worked ok yesterday when this was wheezy. it stopped working after upgrading it to jessie
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1228 [10:04:04] <somiaj> maybe it is a lease issue, but if you can ping 192.168.1.1 your network is reaching out, and your gateway for some reason isn't wanting to forward info.
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1230 [10:04:45] <sveta2> replaced-url
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1234 [10:05:13] <somiaj> sveta2: what is the output if 'ip a' and 'ip route'
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1236 [10:06:30] <sveta2> replaced-url
1237 [10:06:33] <melissa666> sveta2, what happens if you try "sudo killall wpa_supplicant" and then restart network-manager (sudo service network-manager restart)
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1239 [10:07:02] <sveta2> replaced-url
1240 [10:07:10] <sveta2> brb
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1244 [10:07:45] <sveta2> melissa666: it then says 'wlan not connected' in the tray icon applet
1245 [10:07:45] <somiaj> well you have two interfaces setup to the same network, and so it is hard to see what the problem is, but it appears you are connected to your gateway just fine.
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1252 [10:08:24] <sveta2> somiaj: i'd like to position the laptop more than a meter away from the modem, the ethernet cable is rather short
1253 [10:08:39] <sveta2> somiaj: when i take it out, internet disappears..
1254 [10:08:54] <somiaj> but your wifi is connected to the the ap and has an ip address, I don't see any configuration issue on the machine.
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1256 [10:09:14] <somiaj> well it would be ncie to get the output if 'ip route' during a time you aren't pluged into the router with a wire
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1258 [10:10:09] <somiaj> but if you can ping 192.168.1.1 with your wifi, you are sucesffully connected to your router, so something in your router is blocking connenction.
1259 [10:10:43] <somiaj> maybe it has some cache or something, have you tried rebooting your modem/router?
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1265 [10:17:01] <zprd> ok I think I have some clues about lxc vs apt-get update
1266 [10:18:25] <zprd> sources.list on not working containers are different
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1270 [10:20:06] <zprd> those working use replaced-url
1271 [10:20:20] <zprd> those not: replaced-url
1272 [10:20:32] <zprd> (on different machines)
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1279 [10:24:19] <themill> zprd: httpredir is certainly deprecated but I thought it was still working.
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1281 [10:24:52] <zprd> Im not sure how to update lxc containers templates though
1282 [10:25:24] <zprd> i can certainly change sources.list but that sould not be the best solution
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1285 [10:27:05] <zprd> any hint would help, to update templates
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1288 [10:27:22] <zprd> I use thouse comming with the debian, notjhing special
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1291 [10:28:52] <themill> I don't know that debian distributes any lxc templates
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1294 [10:29:18] <zprd> hum?
1295 [10:30:06] <zprd> maybe my wording is not correct
1296 [10:30:32] <zprd> on lxc-create /var/cache/lxc get populated I think
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1298 [10:30:36] <themill> I don't use lxc so I'm not the best person to help you here
1299 [10:30:42] <zprd> ah ok I see
1300 [10:30:58] <zprd> no problem
1301 [10:31:10] <sveta2> somiaj: melissa666 : replaced-url
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1306 [10:32:06] <sveta2> somiaj: melissa666 : it does not always succeed at connecting to 192.168.1.1, i could not get it to connect to the modem the last 5 mins :/
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1310 [10:33:09] <melissa666> sveta2, looking at the output of dmesg, and how it was associating and immediately dropping, I'm wondering if the times you've managed to connect were just luck, where you hit the router admin page before it dropped connection
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1312 [10:34:23] <melissa666> there are a variety of problems that can cause it to do that - but I would google for the error "aborting authentication by local choice reason =3 " and see if any solutions fix your problem
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1315 [10:36:04] <guvner_nl> At the moment we have a debian 8 preseed configuration on our pxe server with tftp. Would it in some way be possible to have a Debian 8 and Debian 9 choice? Or do I need to stay with one of the versions?
1316 [10:36:29] <sveta2> melissa666: ok
1317 [10:36:53] <melissa666> sveta2, ... wait a sec. I might be wrong (not an expert) but I think having two default routes (one for eth0 and one for wlan0) might be causing the issue. try removing the route for e
1318 [10:37:11] <melissa666> oops, that is "try removing the default route for eth0"
1319 [10:37:16] <zprd> is there a special chan for lxc on debian?
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1322 [10:39:33] <sveta2> melissa666: ok
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1327 [10:42:08] <guvner_nl> Anyone from NL with knowledge of the preseed configurations on and pxe server?
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1336 [10:46:14] <melissa666> sveta2, do 'sudo ip route del default via 192.168.1.1' then do 'sudo ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0' ... not permanent fix, but curious to see if that's the problem (eth0 default overriding wlan0)
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1342 [10:48:50] <physkets> Hi!
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1344 [10:49:00] <physkets> In the "Software selection" step of the install,
1345 [10:49:20] <physkets> there is an option that says "Debian desktop environment"
1346 [10:49:30] <physkets> What all programs come under that?
1347 [10:49:50] <petn-randall> physkets: It's most things gnome, AFAIR.
1348 [10:49:53] <physkets> (I'm installing a headless server)
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1350 [10:50:06] <petn-randall> physkets: If you want a headless server, I'd untick that.
1351 [10:50:06] <physkets> petn-randall: ah, okay; so then I can skip that
1352 [10:50:10] <physkets> cool
1353 [10:50:22] <physkets> If I choose the "SSH Server" option,
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1355 [10:50:29] <physkets> will it come pre-confiured?
1356 [10:50:36] <petn-randall> physkets: You can always install things after the system installation is through, as long as you can log in and use the network.
1357 [10:50:36] <melissa666> physkets, you can type 'tasksel --task-packages desktop' at command line to get a list
1358 [10:51:08] <petn-randall> physkets: yes? I don't know what you're expecting, though.
1359 [10:51:10] <physkets> oh, thing is, I'm isntlling this on to the storage drive separately,
1360 [10:51:20] <physkets> and I'm going to pug it into the server and hope it works
1361 [10:51:26] <physkets> so I need SSH up an runnign
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1363 [10:51:57] <petn-randall> physkets: It should run as long as it's the same architecture (x86 64bit) and boots the same way (legacy BIOS or UEFI).
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1369 [10:52:50] <physkets> yes, same Arch; but my laptop (from which I'm performing this install) is UEFI, but during partitioning, I did not create an EFI partition
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1371 [10:53:06] <physkets> does that mean that it will perform a BIOS style install?
1372 [10:53:17] <petn-randall> physkets: Then your installer was booted in legacy mode.
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1375 [10:53:43] <physkets> but my laptop is a UEFI machine
1376 [10:53:59] <physkets> so shouldn't it have booted in UEFI mode?
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1378 [10:54:33] <petn-randall> physkets: Apparently not.
1379 [10:54:39] <yokowka> hello everysoul!!!! do you read me?
1380 [10:54:54] <physkets> ah okay; I'll know when I put it in the server
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1383 [10:55:29] <physkets> after the software selection step,
1384 [10:55:31] <melissa666> yokowka, LOUD AND CLEAR!
1385 [10:55:32] <petn-randall> physkets: You can check in the UEFI setup if it's set to 'both', or CSM is enabled. If one of them is true, it likely booted in legacy mode.
1386 [10:55:34] <physkets> it says:
1387 [10:56:09] <physkets> "Executing 'grub-install dumy' failed"
1388 [10:56:16] <physkets> "This is a fatal error"
1389 [10:56:21] <shtrb> physkets, UEFI does not mean what boot type you do
1390 [10:56:50] <petn-randall> physkets: How did you prepare the installation medium?
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1392 [10:57:04] <physkets> shtrb: okay, so what does it mean? the firmware of my laptop is UEFI...
1393 [10:57:20] <physkets> petn-randall: I 'dd-ed' the ISO onto a USB
1394 [10:57:39] <yokowka> melissa666, then i have a trouble. after installing antivirus i've crashes one after one. firefox crashes, update center crashes. what to do?
1395 [10:58:05] <petn-randall> yokowka: Which antivirus?
1396 [10:58:06] <physkets> yokowka: What anti-virus?
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1398 [10:58:23] <yokowka> eset-nod 32 av4
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1400 [10:58:34] <shtrb> physkets, petn-randall said it a second before me (in your setup there are several boot modes , and only one is selected (Legacy/Uefi Mode ) )
1401 [10:58:39] <petn-randall> yokowka: Ask their support then, it's not supported by Debian.
1402 [10:58:55] <shtrb> yokowka, is that a linux app ?
1403 [10:59:04] <yokowka> shtrb, yep.
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1405 [11:00:08] <physkets> petn-randall: shtrb Could the UEFI/Legacy thing be interfering with the grub install?
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1409 [11:01:50] <petn-randall> physkets: Maybe. The UEFI BIOS must protect the EFI system partition if booting in legacy mode by hiding it to the booted system.
1410 [11:02:22] <petn-randall> physkets: So if you have a ESP on the disk, it will be protected and then installing the bios grub bootloader will maybe fail.
1411 [11:02:42] <physkets> Looks like it was booted in pure-UEFI
1412 [11:02:57] <petn-randall> physkets: It's best if you double check the settings in the UEFI setup and make sure they're the same as the ones you want to boot your server with.
1413 [11:03:06] <petn-randall> physkets: How are you checking?
1414 [11:03:10] <physkets> I want to perform a Legacy install because the BIOS of my server is not UEFI
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1416 [11:03:24] <physkets> petn-randall: I looed at the firmware menu of my laptop
1417 [11:03:28] <physkets> *looked
1418 [11:03:34] <petn-randall> I see
1419 [11:03:55] <physkets> I enabled "Legacy oprtion ROMs"
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1425 [11:05:15] <petn-randall> physkets: opROMs are firmware on PCI cards that add menus to the BIOS.
1426 [11:05:18] <shtrb> If you have enabled it , you should not be booting in UEFI
1427 [11:05:29] <physkets> I just enabled it
1428 [11:05:43] <petn-randall> physkets: You're looking for something called 'BIOS' or 'legacy MODE'.
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1430 [11:06:13] <physkets> will the installer tell me what mode it is in?
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1432 [11:06:29] <physkets> is there somehow I can confim from within the installer?
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1438 [11:07:26] <petn-randall> physkets: IIRC it will show you in the grub boot menu which mode it started in.
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1443 [11:09:02] <petn-randall> Hmm, it doesn't say anything in legacy mode at least (checked with a VM)
1444 [11:10:52] <petn-randall> physkets: replaced-url
1445 [11:10:55] <earendel> for me OPROM & Legacy mode is one entry, opposing UEFI. i can also set the both, and the order
1446 [11:11:05] <yokowka> souls! eset nod 32 AV 4 is not runing, i'd not see it in list of installed apps - to delete! TROUBLE!!!!
1447 [11:11:43] <shtrb> If nvme list does not return results (and I have an SSD), does it mean it is connected to a M.2/Sata interface ?
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1449 [11:12:10] <zprd> arf still, on my fetch problem. apt is looking for replaced-url
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1451 [11:12:35] <physkets> earendel: when I boot with the iso USB plugged in, I only see one boot entry for it
1452 [11:12:43] <zprd> on the other hand replaced-url
1453 [11:12:56] <physkets> should I be seeing two, one for UEFI, and one Legacy?
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1455 [11:13:18] <petn-randall> I can confirm, in UEFI mode it says so on the splash screen. There's no such info on the legacy boot screen.
1456 [11:13:26] <earendel> don't know what the UEFI shizzle is good for. it just added additional points of failure, without giving any benefits i would be aware of. (if i would have designed sth new, i would let have it a nice menu asking from which toaster i want to boot.. but then it's just me)
1457 [11:13:45] <petn-randall> yokowka: That antivirus is unsupported here, ask *their* support channel.
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1459 [11:15:01] <yokowka> petn-randall, i'de love to uninstall it. what is console command?)
1460 [11:15:17] <petn-randall> yokowka: No idea. I don't know about it. Ask their support.
1461 [11:15:35] <physkets> petn-randall: on the installer's splash-screen?
1462 [11:15:43] <physkets> there is nothing like that in my case
1463 [11:15:50] <petn-randall> physkets: Check the link I sent you, it compares the splash screens side-by-side.
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1466 [11:16:00] <shtrb> yokowka, how did you install that thing ?
1467 [11:16:02] <shtrb> apt-get ? some binary ?
1468 [11:16:03] <petn-randall> physkets: It's when you first boot the installation image.
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1470 [11:16:10] <physkets> I get the second
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1473 [11:16:53] <earendel> it would have options to create boot images, mount vdisks etc.. yes the graphics are nice. fancy temperature masuring diagrams in calming colors.
1474 [11:16:54] <physkets> But I'd had the same thing the first time round
1475 [11:16:56] <petn-randall> physkets: That's legacy mode then.
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1478 [11:17:42] <petn-randall> earendel: EFI allows you to have several bootloaders installed on one system that can peacefully coexist.
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1480 [11:17:56] <petn-randall> earendel: And many other things, but that's getting a bit offtopic.
1481 [11:17:59] <earendel> petn-randll: ewllt?
1482 [11:18:02] <earendel> really?
1483 [11:18:38] <yokowka> shtrb, download app for debian. make downloaded file run as program. installing program says need libc6 i386 be installed. i've installed this lib and one some.
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1487 [11:19:02] <shtrb> was it a .deb file ?
1488 [11:19:03] <earendel> i hoped so. have you implemented such successfully? if yes, i may try it harder.
1489 [11:19:18] <yokowka> then i've activated by the net sight keys.
1490 [11:19:34] <shtrb> yokowka, was that file a .deb or something else ?
1491 [11:19:59] <yokowka> shtrb, else: .linux
1492 [11:20:11] <shtrb> yokowka, did you run something like ./OUR_SUPER_DUPER_SCRIPT.run ?
1493 [11:20:21] <earendel> so why can't physkets boot from from his .. erm was it usb-stick? i missed the first part.
1494 [11:20:33] <physkets> I can boot
1495 [11:20:34] <earendel> shouldn't he just plug it in, and play?
1496 [11:20:42] <earendel> ok.
1497 [11:20:49] <physkets> But the install gets stuck at the'grub installation' step
1498 [11:20:49] <earendel> but?
1499 [11:20:55] <shtrb> yokowka, that sound like some blob, check if that file have an uninstall option or ask their channel (NEVER just download stuff from the internet and run it)
1500 [11:20:57] <earendel> alright.
1501 [11:21:03] <yokowka> shtrb, our_super_duper_script.linux
1502 [11:21:39] <physkets> wait, now it shows a slightly different menu after the 'software selection' step
1503 [11:21:47] <shtrb> check it options ./our_super_duper_script.linux --help or some maybe ./our_super_duper_script -h
1504 [11:22:07] <yokowka> same second antivirus note me that it was succesfully updated 0.0
1505 [11:22:23] <yokowka> 0.0 - my eyes
1506 [11:22:33] <physkets> It asks me if I want it to install GRUB to my "first hard-drive"
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1508 [11:22:42] <physkets> but what does that mean?
1509 [11:23:15] <physkets> my laptop alreay has a drive with another linux install
1510 [11:23:31] <earendel> iit means you have to plug anything else out, or you may be screwed since the order may apparently change
1511 [11:23:36] <earendel> ok.
1512 [11:23:53] <petn-randall> physkets: Doesn't it show you a list of device to pick from?
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1514 [11:24:12] <physkets> can I somehow install GRUB to the 'second' drive?
1515 [11:24:37] <petn-randall> physkets: Ah wait, is the HDD connected via USB bridge or something?
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1519 [11:25:22] <physkets> yay!
1520 [11:25:26] <physkets> it allows me to choose
1521 [11:25:26] <earendel> i think you would need to boot first and then chroot .. and do a few mountings and then install grub or so. probably that script does that?
1522 [11:25:46] <physkets> So the first time, looks like it tried to install grub on my laptop's harddrive
1523 [11:25:59] <physkets> petn-randall: yes, it is connected via USB
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1527 [11:27:36] <physkets> oh shit
1528 [11:27:41] <petn-randall> physkets: Cool, glad it worked out.
1529 [11:27:47] <physkets> I seem to have wiped something from my laptop's drive
1530 [11:27:53] <petn-randall> … or not
1531 [11:27:55] <petn-randall> yikes
1532 [11:28:22] <earendel> well.
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1534 [11:28:50] <earendel> maybe not.
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1537 [11:29:27] <shtrb> yokowka, do you have /opt/eset/esets/bin/esets_gil ?
1538 [11:30:29] <yokowka> shtrb, Yes i have!!!!
1539 [11:31:38] <shtrb> sudo /opt/eset/esets/bin/esets_gil should let you an option to uninstall (I have no idea what damage it will do to your OS)
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1541 [11:31:45] <shtrb> dpkg, uninstall eset is replaced-url
1542 [11:31:45] <dpkg> okay, shtrb
1543 [11:31:53] <shtrb> !uninstall eset
1544 [11:31:53] <dpkg> uninstall eset is probably replaced-url
1545 [11:31:59] <shtrb> perfect
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1548 [11:33:55] <yokowka> shtrb i've uninstalle antivirus app
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1550 [11:34:22] <shtrb> !next
1551 [11:34:23] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1557 [11:38:13] <physkets> I fixed it!!!
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1559 [11:38:45] <petn-randall> physkets: Yay \o/. What happened?
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1561 [11:39:16] <physkets> the grub step had reset the UEFI entry to point to EFI/boot/bootx64.efi
1562 [11:39:32] <physkets> but I was using EFI/refind/refindx64.efi
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1564 [11:39:46] <physkets> so I just made that boot entry in the UEFI
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1568 [11:42:45] <yokowka> heavenno everysoul! shtrb, after program uninstalling crashes - stoped!
1569 [11:42:51] <physkets> I'll come back when I put it into the server
1570 [11:43:06] <physkets> I hope SSH will work
1571 [11:43:11] <physkets> also the network
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1574 [11:43:55] <shtrb> yokowka, what does that even mean ?
1575 [11:43:55] <shtrb> yokowka, can you use Google Translate or something ?
1576 [11:44:40] <yokowka> shtrb, heavenno? who can tell good antivirus?
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1578 [11:45:03] <physkets> You are the best anti-virus
1579 [11:45:10] <physkets> for your machine
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1581 [11:45:35] <shtrb> what is "havenno" ?
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1583 [11:46:17] <physkets> 'clamav' is used often... but AFAIK, it is mainly for finding Windows viruses in mail servers
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1585 [11:46:33] <physkets> if that is what you want then try it out
1586 [11:46:34] <shtrb> Do you eally think you need an Anti Virus for debian if you have standard common scence rules ?
1587 [11:46:54] <shtrb> physkets, clamav failed misserably
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1589 [11:47:00] <shtrb> even for windows :-(
1590 [11:47:17] <physkets> ah.... Is see... but better than nothing, I guess?
1591 [11:47:50] <shtrb> I don't know, it did not identify ransomeware ...
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1593 [11:48:16] <physkets> did you use the lates bytecode/signature files?
1594 [11:48:20] <yokowka> i invent this word!!!! hellO means on(h) hell. heavennO means on heaven. if hello - went you to the satan, then heavenno - take you to an angels!!!! everysoul use word this: heavennO.
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1597 [11:49:15] <yokowka> physkets, clamav is online av?
1598 [11:49:28] <physkets> no, it is local
1599 [11:49:53] <erasmus> freshclam
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1601 [11:50:03] <physkets> yes, that^ is the updater
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1603 [11:50:24] <physkets> if uusing clam, maybe put that as a cron job, or do it manually
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1606 [11:52:20] <yokowka> erasmus, freshclam - has graphic interface? as i seen clamav is very minimal interface))))
1607 [11:52:49] <erasmus> I don't think it does
1608 [11:53:01] <erasmus> just type freshclam -v
1609 [11:53:22] <physkets> I think there is a gui called 'clamtk'
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1611 [11:53:41] <physkets> you'll have to check if it is there in the Deb repos
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1614 [11:54:31] <physkets> replaced-url
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1619 [11:57:12] <yokowka> physkets, downloaded yet. how to install?
1620 [11:57:16] <petn-randall> yokowka: What do you need antivirus for? Is this a server to scan files from Windows?
1621 [11:57:55] <yokowka> petn-randall, network protection most of all.
1622 [11:58:12] <likcoras> ,v clamtk
1623 [11:58:13] <judd> Package: clamtk on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.41-1; jessie: 5.11-1; stretch: 5.24-1; buster: 5.25-1; sid: 5.25-1
1624 [11:58:17] <likcoras> It's in the repos, it seems?
1625 [11:58:42] <petn-randall> yokowka: Antivirus scans files for virii. A firewall takes care of network protection.
1626 [11:58:45] <physkets> yokowka: use dpkg to install
1627 [11:59:06] <physkets> if you have the .deb file
1628 [11:59:12] <petn-randall> Noooooo
1629 [11:59:19] <physkets> no?
1630 [11:59:24] <petn-randall> `apt install clamtk`, no need to install .deb by hand.
1631 [11:59:44] <rabbitear_sdf> by eye to screen
1632 [11:59:56] <shtrb> yokowka, use apt-get never download stuff from the internet or add some custom repos to your sources.lists
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1636 [12:00:33] <physkets> yokowka: ah; I did ask you to check the repos
1637 [12:00:56] <rabbitear_sdf> I ask you, do
1638 [12:01:15] <yokowka> likcoras ,v clamtk what is it? shtrb blease You! physkets by using dpkg?
1639 [12:01:38] <rabbitear_sdf> nope, its just apt
1640 [12:01:38] <yokowka> check repos....
1641 [12:02:02] <rabbitear_sdf> I'm the one that knows best ;)
1642 [12:02:08] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: Do you have a Debian support question?
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1644 [12:02:22] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: what?
1645 [12:02:37] <melissa666> rabbitear_sdf, Can you feel the worms underneath your skin?
1646 [12:02:44] <rabbitear_sdf> no
1647 [12:02:53] <melissa666> Me either.
1648 [12:03:18] <rabbitear_sdf> just got done talking to Trump on twitter
1649 [12:03:24] <petn-randall> !ot
1650 [12:03:24] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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1652 [12:04:01] <rabbitear_sdf> I do have a ubuntu style question
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1655 [12:04:26] <shtrb> !ubuntu
1656 [12:04:27] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1658 [12:04:27] <yokowka> physkets, now i know what to do - check the repository, but not know - how?
1659 [12:04:31] <rabbitear_sdf> what do they they mean, via iptables these days?
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1661 [12:04:50] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: you know how things used to work?
1662 [12:04:54] <physkets> yokowka: you should figure out how to use Debian first
1663 [12:05:04] <physkets> I'm sure it has docs/manuals
1664 [12:05:13] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: If you don't have a Debian question please take the chatter to another channel.
1665 [12:05:22] <rabbitear_sdf> its rtfm all the way ?
1666 [12:05:39] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: look, I don't have a question
1667 [12:05:52] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: listen, and read
1668 [12:06:12] <physkets> yokowka: how do you normally install software on Debian?
1669 [12:06:21] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: Great. Then keep the noise down please. See the dpkg factoid if you want to chat.
1670 [12:06:22] <physkets> is this your first time?
1671 [12:06:25] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: how do you use interfaces in systemd style to do NAT?
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1674 [12:07:22] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: it might take awhile for you to have an answer
1675 [12:07:35] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: Are you using Ubuntu?
1676 [12:07:43] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: I use all
1677 [12:08:10] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: you have any ideas?
1678 [12:08:11] <yokowka> physkets, console comand, app center, not often from developers site
1679 [12:08:13] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: You're not answering my question, and that's getting annoying.
1680 [12:08:21] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: what?
1681 [12:08:28] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: Which OS are you using?
1682 [12:08:29] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: I'm asking the question
1683 [12:08:44] <rabbitear_sdf> petn-randall: the one with systemd
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1687 [12:08:57] <physkets> yokowka: ya, so then just use the console or the app centre
1688 [12:09:29] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: No, you're not. You're just adding noise to the channel. Come back if you have an actual Debian question.
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1693 [12:10:13] <shtrb> wow sdf is still alive ?!
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1696 [12:11:16] <yokowka> perfect
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1701 [12:17:25] <physkets> installed it?
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1705 [12:19:45] <yokowka> so low!!!!
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1764 [12:58:17] <sveta2> melissa666: regarding wifi, when upgrading from wheezy to jessie, I had hit replaced-url
1765 [12:58:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1766 [12:58:40] <sveta2> melissa666: the bug has a workaround, and it works.
1767 [12:59:22] <sveta2> however, now I am struggling with bluetooth; in kde, the 'turn bluetooth on' button leaves it off still;
1768 [12:59:32] <sveta2> "sudo systemctl status bluetooth" returns "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1"
1769 [12:59:48] <sveta2> 'blueman', 'bluetooth' packages are installed...
1770 [13:00:16] <sveta2> somiaj **
1771 [13:02:15] <sveta2> replaced-url
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1773 [13:03:01] <melissa666> sveta2, what is output from dmesg?
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1775 [13:03:27] <melissa666> (glad you got your networking issue figured out btw)
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1778 [13:03:39] <sveta2> ("sudo hcitool dev" returns "hci0 00:16:CF:F6:28:47")
1779 [13:03:56] <sveta2> replaced-url
1780 [13:04:02] <petn-randall> sveta2: Do you have dbus installed?
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1783 [13:04:35] <sveta2> petn-randall: yes, I've just upgraded it from 1.6.8-1+deb7u6 to 1.8.22-0+deb8u1
1784 [13:04:47] <sveta2> petn-randall: same issue, however
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1787 [13:05:24] <petn-randall> ,releases
1788 [13:05:25] <sveta2> this dmesg is cut off...
1789 [13:05:35] <sveta2> (this is debian jessie)
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1791 [13:05:51] <Kelsar> is there an easy way to install mysql/mariadb 5.5?
1792 [13:05:56] <sveta2> ,releases
1793 [13:06:03] <Kelsar> in stretch
1794 [13:06:36] <petn-randall> sveta2: Did you just dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
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1796 [13:06:41] <sveta2> petn-randall: yes
1797 [13:07:08] <petn-randall> sveta2: Oh right, you wrote that in the first message. My bad.
1798 [13:07:09] <sveta2> petn-randall: installed a 32bit wheezy for someone by mistake, they'd like 64 bit now, so I've started with a wheezy 64bit image and upgraded from that...
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1800 [13:07:35] <petn-randall> sveta2: If it's a fresh install, why not use the current stretch release?
1801 [13:07:39] <sveta2> petn-randall: I would like to keep their user settings etc absolutely intact to keep the changes minimal, this turns out to be a tad more pain for me however
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1803 [13:08:25] <sveta2> petn-randall: in a fresh install it would perhaps take forever to restore their correct settings (desktop is heavily customized) so I'm starting from exactly same release as they started with back then
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1805 [13:09:51] * themill can't spot the difference between installing an old release and upgrading and just installing a current release
1806 [13:09:58] <sveta2> Kelsar: are they in version 10 now?
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1809 [13:10:08] <Kelsar> sveta2: yes
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1812 [13:10:55] <sveta2> themill: I've got another user of debian 8 here (starting from that release initially), and their desktop looks a bit different and I could not tweak it. with this case keeping the appearance unchanged is high priority...
1813 [13:11:19] <sveta2> the current issue being bluetooth not seeing dbus, and dbus not seeing bluetooth, or something similar
1814 [13:11:36] <themill> you're not going to magically keep it looking the same by upgrading vs installing
1815 [13:11:57] <sveta2> so far that seems to work
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1817 [13:12:19] <sveta2> I restored /home from a backup and nearly everything seems happy with it
1818 [13:12:22] <themill> the packages aren't changing $HOME
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1820 [13:12:45] <sveta2> I did use /etc from the wheezy release, and they're probably changing something there
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1823 [13:13:00] <sveta2> I mean I will try this later but not with this system
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1835 [13:20:33] <sveta2> replaced-url
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1854 [13:31:52] <Guest71387> what is use of LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
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1867 [13:37:09] <Guest71387> someone suggest me cmd to launch any application that require external graphic with only intergrated graphic ? I do LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 ./OBS but there is any other ways to do it on ubuntu ?
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1870 [13:38:06] <sveta2> replaced-url
1871 [13:38:28] <josj> hello, does anyone know how to get correct thumbnails for videos in a filemaneger or something ? For some reason .MTS files do not all show thumbails, though by preferences they should. I read there has been an issue with this in the past. I have all gstreamer stuff and totem, tried several viewers / managers. I need video thumbnails because it takes way too much time to troll through masses of clips. Thanks, I'm on the latest Debian.
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1875 [13:39:13] <sveta2> josj: are you familiar with kodi (xmbc)?
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1877 [13:39:26] <Guest71387> my kdenlive crash when using many clips without making them proxy first
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1884 [13:41:21] <josj> sveta2, ok let me try that
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1887 [13:42:29] <petn-randall> Guest71387: You might want to ask in #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian only.
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1889 [13:43:12] <Guest71387> yea those could not helped
1890 [13:43:22] <Guest71387> someone suggest me cmd to launch any application that require external graphic with only intergrated graphic ? I do LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 ./OBS but there is any other ways to do it on ubuntu ?
1891 [13:43:38] <petn-randall> Guest71387: That doesn't make Ubuntu on-topic in this channel, though.
1892 [13:43:57] <Guest71387> i have debian installed too on my pc
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1894 [13:44:18] <Guest71387> i love debian mandriva/magiea and porteus
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1897 [13:44:48] <Guest71387> debian is father of all distros haha
1898 [13:45:53] <petn-randall> Guest71387: You could boot into Debian and we could debug the issue there, but there are no guarantees that the solution will also work on Ubuntu.
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1910 [13:48:15] <jelly> now there's one of you!
1911 [13:48:52] <Guest71387> darn too much compition between distros,what user like me will end up in ?..DEBIAN should restrict all new distro using deb ...Its hard to go to channel for help..They all says that your query is about ubuntu debian magiea bla bla but my query is general to linux.
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1913 [13:49:22] <jelly> Guest71387: you can ask in ##linux then
1914 [13:49:24] <petn-randall> Guest71387: If it's general to linux, there's ##linux.
1915 [13:50:20] <petn-randall> Guest71387: It's not about competition, it's about separation of concerns. You wouldn't ask your dentist about problems with your stomach, would you? And yet those doctors are not competing.
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1917 [13:51:08] <josj> sveta2: ok, it is a nice thing and handy to play movies quick, so thanks for that. It seems to also fail making many of the .MTS thumbnails.
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1920 [13:52:52] <Guest71387> all distros origin is debian...Just use is different but they all use deb packages or all apps pack in deb but now a days appimage work on almost all distro is a very intelligent idea
1921 [13:53:46] <petn-randall> Guest71387: That's not true. Redhat is another huge distro that has lots of spin-offs. But we're getting offtopic here.
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1923 [13:55:25] <Guest71387> ah thanks
1924 [13:56:17] <Guest71387> i like if debian make a modular iso just like porteus
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1930 [13:59:14] <Guest71387> debian is father and redhat is mother of all distros that ?
1931 [13:59:20] <Guest71387> than
1932 [14:00:00] <Guest71387> i guess rpm is also a deb derivative ?
1933 [14:00:40] <Guest71387> source packages are compiled in deb first than rpm or both together by thier devs ?
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1936 [14:01:25] <shtrb> maybe cousin, you can use alien to convert one into the other
1937 [14:01:48] <no_gravity> So I am sitting in a coworking space today and via the "Displays" manager in Gnome, I can only set a resolution up to 1680x1050. But I suspect the monitor can run a higher resolution. Is there a way I can try 1920x1080?
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1939 [14:02:40] <shtrb> you can add a mode via xrandr
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1941 [14:02:49] <Guest71387> cool
1942 [14:02:51] <no_gravity> shtrb: How so?
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1945 [14:03:33] <no_gravity> Should I try this? xrandr -s 1920x1080
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1951 [14:05:17] <no_gravity> I will try it ...
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1953 [14:05:32] <no_gravity> pfff "Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes"
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1955 [14:05:45] <shtrb> xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_59.90" 172.51 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -HSync +Vsync (use at your own risk)
1956 [14:05:54] <Guest71387> i like if debian can make a modular live iso about 350 MB size just like porteus
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1958 [14:06:48] <shtrb> and xrandr --addmode eDP-1 (or what ever screen it is) 1920x1080_59.90
1959 [14:07:08] <no_gravity> shtrb: ok .. 3.. 2.. 1..
1960 [14:07:17] <Guest71387> there is channel for obs ?
1961 [14:07:34] <no_gravity> shtrb: Nothing happened. And I still get "Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes"
1962 [14:07:52] <shtrb> no_gravity, replace the eDP-1 with your connection
1963 [14:08:07] <shtrb> xrandr -q
1964 [14:08:10] <Guest71387> wow it taken me to opensuse build service but not to openbrodcaster
1965 [14:08:11] <shtrb> to list all modes
1966 [14:08:13] <no_gravity> shtrb: eDP-1? connection?
1967 [14:08:43] <shtrb> I gave you two commands (one to declare a mode, and one to add it to a screen)
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1969 [14:09:07] <Guest71387> can you suggest me a better vid editor for debian ? i am using kdenlive i guess pitivi is good too.
1970 [14:09:14] <no_gravity> shtrb: Ok, let's seee...
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1973 [14:09:35] <shtrb> use xrandr -q to get all the names you have
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1975 [14:09:59] <raindev> Guest71387, replaced-url
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1978 [14:10:16] <no_gravity> shtrb: Ok, I think I got it working. But then the screen goes dark :)
1979 [14:10:28] <no_gravity> I better remove that mode again...
1980 [14:10:29] <Guest71387> raindev thanks
1981 [14:10:44] <Guest71387> thanks petn
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1984 [14:12:10] <no_gravity> Maybe 1680x1050 really is the max this monitor can handle.
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1986 [14:12:27] <shtrb> no_gravity, maybe it's not supported
1987 [14:12:59] <no_gravity> shtrb: What is not supported?
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1992 [14:13:20] <shtrb> the upper mode (you wrote the same thing few seconds before me)
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1994 [14:13:33] <no_gravity> Ah.
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1996 [14:14:08] <no_gravity> It is a Flatron E22...
1997 [14:14:58] <Guest71387> what is replied with $ xrandr | fgrep '*'
1998 [14:15:16] <shtrb> It's rated 1920x1080 maybe my refresh rate is incorrect
1999 [14:15:16] <shtrb> oh it's 83 no 60
2000 [14:15:20] <shtrb> mom"1920x1080_83.00" 246.76 1920 2064 2272 2624 1080 1081 1084 1133 -HSync +Vsync
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2002 [14:15:48] <shtrb> no_gravity, that is the mode you need not the one I gave you before
2003 [14:16:13] <Guest71387> xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
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2005 [14:17:57] <no_gravity> shtrb: ok, let me try...
2006 [14:18:14] <Guest71387> xdpyinfo | grep dimensions | awk '{print $2}' | awk -Fx '{print $1, $2}'
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2008 [14:19:11] <no_gravity> shtrb: after I added the mode, I do this? xrandr -s 1920x1080
2009 [14:19:52] <no_gravity> That gives me a blank screen on the monitor and this on the console: Failed to change the screen configuration!
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2011 [14:21:13] <no_gravity> Guest71387: dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (508x286 millimeters)
2012 [14:21:23] <no_gravity> Guest71387: That's what "xdpyinfo | grep dimensions" outputs.
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2014 [14:21:42] <Guest71387> cool
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2016 [14:22:07] <no_gravity> But how do I set it to 1920?
2017 [14:22:11] <Guest71387> it support same as mine but mine monitor is also having xrandr | fgrep '*' 1600x900 60.00*
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2019 [14:23:16] <Guest71387> its new version of mesa may be i am not a dev i just duck duck go...I think newer version of debian will automatically choose highest resolution
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2021 [14:24:00] <no_gravity> I wonder why it is so hard to just set the resolution to 1920x1080...
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2023 [14:24:34] <Guest71387> xrandr -s 1920x1080 Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes
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2028 [14:25:02] <Guest71387> no it s not harder .we just do not know tech hehe
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2031 [14:27:22] <Guest71387> xrandr | egrep '^[^ ]|[0-9]\*\+' Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767 VGA1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 440mm x 250mm 1600x900 60.00*+ VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
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2034 [14:28:06] <shtrb> no_gravity, sorry I was kicked out did it work for you ?
2035 [14:28:46] <no_gravity> shtrb: No
2036 [14:28:59] <Guest71387> Enumerate the names of all your video outputs, and the possible resolutions for those currently connected to a monitor: xrandr -q
2037 [14:29:14] <Guest71387> Choose the name of the output you wish to change the resolution of, and: xrandr --output <OUTPUT> --mode 1024x768
2038 [14:29:29] <Guest71387> Note: If running from a text terminal, that is not running in gfx environment, you'll have to add a -d :0 parameter, i.e: xrandr -d :0 -q xrandr -d :0 --output <OUTPUT> --mode 1024x768
2039 [14:29:35] <no_gravity> Maybe it's because the monitor is connected via the vga output to a vga->mini-display-port adapter?
2040 [14:29:45] <shtrb> As Guest71387 said , can you post the output of xrandr -q in some paste site
2041 [14:31:04] <Guest71387> replaced-url
2042 [14:31:42] <shtrb> no_gravity, It is possible
2043 [14:32:26] <no_gravity> Here is the output of xrandr -q: replaced-url
2044 [14:32:27] <shtrb> but DisplayPort usually give you 4K (the ones that I used usb to DisplayPort)
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2057 [14:35:37] <Guest71387> Samsung 20 Inch Widescreen LCD Monitor/ TFT (B2030N) Display Resolution Max 1600x900 SO MAX supported officially is 1600x900 for my monitor
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2059 [14:36:04] <Guest71387> its not 1042HD or 4k
2060 [14:36:13] <no_gravity> Well, I'm giving up on it. I think it only supports 1680x1050.
2061 [14:36:26] <shtrb> Where did you the Samsung 20 bit ?
2062 [14:36:45] <shtrb> he said it was Flatron E22 (LG)
2063 [14:37:07] <Guest71387> This will definately help him replaced-url
2064 [14:38:14] <no_gravity> Guest71387: I gave up on it.
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2066 [14:39:08] <Guest71387> yea resolution is automatically selected max supported by monitor by a distro ..we can lower it as per requirement and
2067 [14:40:39] <Guest71387> good bye have farewell
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2069 [14:40:43] <Guest71387> thanks all
2070 [14:41:19] <no_gravity> cu
2071 [14:41:22] <shtrb> cu
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2100 [14:52:14] <kminor> Hey guys my wheezy to jessie dist-upgrade freezes on removing cpp-4.1-doc & breaks the dist-upgrade please help im stuck
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2102 [14:52:49] <petn-randall> !bat
2103 [14:52:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2104 [14:53:05] <petn-randall> kminor: Can you provide *ALL* of the info above in a single paste?
2105 [14:53:23] <kminor> ya i'll do 2 2 line pastes
2106 [14:53:54] <kminor> dpkg: error processing cpp-4.1-doc (--remove):
2107 [14:53:54] <kminor> subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
2108 [14:53:54] <kminor> Errors were encountered while processing:
2109 [14:53:54] <kminor> cpp-4.1-doc
2110 [14:53:54] <kminor> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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2112 [14:53:55] <dpkg> kminor: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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2114 [14:54:01] <kminor> whoops i guess not
2115 [14:54:06] * petn-randall facepalm.
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2117 [14:54:25] <petn-randall> kminor: Read the factoid again, please. It has a link to the paste site.
2118 [14:54:33] <kminor> Errors were encountered while processing:
2119 [14:54:33] <kminor> cpp-4.1-doc
2120 [14:54:35] <kminor> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
2121 [14:54:39] <kminor> there u go
2122 [14:54:50] <shtrb> kminor, stop!
2123 [14:55:04] <kminor> then it just stops the dist-upgrade & im not sure where to go from here.
2124 [14:55:12] <petn-randall> kminor: And what about 2) and 3) from the factoid? I told you twice now to read the factoid.
2125 [14:55:16] <kminor> reading it now
2126 [14:55:24] <kminor> sorry i should have used pastebin
2127 [14:56:08] <kminor> im just kind of in a hurry & didn't know if anyone had encountered this & could offer advice,because it seems its happened to so many systems on dist-upgrades
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2129 [14:56:48] <petn-randall> !hurry
2130 [14:56:48] <dpkg> rumour has it, hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
2131 [14:56:57] <kminor> !factoid
2132 [14:56:57] <dpkg> A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
2133 [14:57:43] <petn-randall> !bat
2134 [14:57:43] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2135 [14:57:48] <petn-randall> kminor: This one here ^^^
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2137 [15:03:21] <Iridos> I understand the pressure… but being in a hurry and as a consequence breaking more stuff is usually not very helpful either
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2147 [15:10:51] <shtrb> kminor, you are upgrading from ancient to old stable ,
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2156 [15:16:10] <josj> sveta2: yay magical awesomeness, kido shows thumbs for everything now, maybe it was lagged earlier or some cache deletion helped. Thanks again !
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2158 [15:16:26] <josj> kodi*
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2175 [15:32:03] <Kobaz> having a problem starting x... i'm unable to start x as a regular user, i get /dev/tty1 permission denied
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2177 [15:32:25] <Kobaz> permissions look like this: crw------- 1 root tty 4, 1 Jun 19 09:30 /dev/tty1
2178 [15:32:37] <Kobaz> and i'm running startx as a normal user
2179 [15:32:38] <shtrb> did you enable it ?
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2181 [15:32:45] <Kobaz> enable what?
2182 [15:32:58] <greycat> When you logged in on tty1 as yourself, the ownership of /dev/tty1 should have changed.
2183 [15:33:05] <Kobaz> yeah
2184 [15:33:09] <Kobaz> well it does initially
2185 [15:33:09] <greycat> Something is wrong with your login session/systemd/something.
2186 [15:33:13] <Kobaz> i log in as 'kobaz'
2187 [15:33:20] <greycat> what do you mean "Initially"? what are you talking about now?
2188 [15:33:21] <Kobaz> the ownership is then kobaz:tty
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2190 [15:33:26] <greycat> what changes it?
2191 [15:33:33] <Kobaz> and then i do startx, and then after the startx it's root:tty
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2193 [15:33:52] <greycat> That is not how Debian 9 works for me. Ownership remains mine.
2194 [15:34:01] <greycat> crw------- 1 wooledg tty 4, 1 Jun 5 08:18 /dev/tty1
2195 [15:34:21] <Kobaz> so, let me rewind... i'm on stretch.... had a power failure at 3am this morning
2196 [15:34:38] <greycat> Did it work yesterday?
2197 [15:34:39] <Kobaz> everything was fine previously... and i shut down... now i'm back up and x is teh borks
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2199 [15:35:11] <Kobaz> and i don't use systemd... standard sysv, pretty much all the systemd packages are removed
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2201 [15:35:15] <greycat> That's going to be hard to diagnose. Some sort of bizarre file system corruption?
2202 [15:35:29] <Kobaz> i don't think so, it was a clean shutdown
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2204 [15:35:35] <Kobaz> btrfs scrub is clean
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2206 [15:36:07] <greycat> Oh, btrfs. I'm backing away slowly now... not making eye contact....
2207 [15:36:11] <Kobaz> so the weird problem
2208 [15:36:27] <Kobaz> is that when i booted back up, systemd hikacked everything
2209 [15:36:33] <Kobaz> so i had to remove it again
2210 [15:36:55] <shtrb> how did systemd` get in after you removed it ?
2211 [15:37:03] <Kobaz> not sure
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2214 [15:37:25] <shtrb> If you uninstalled it , only apt or you can bring it in
2215 [15:37:34] <greycat> Did you know that tens of thousands of Debian users KEEP systemd installed, and everything simply works?
2216 [15:37:45] <greycat> Also they don't use freakin' btrfs.
2217 [15:37:50] <Kobaz> until it breaks
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2219 [15:37:57] <Kobaz> and btrfs is fine for raid-1
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2223 [15:38:47] <shtrb> greycat, populism
2224 [15:38:58] <graff> what is the proper way to update a debian system
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2226 [15:39:11] <Kobaz> exactly
2227 [15:39:14] <graff> i want to make sure our server is getting all the security updates and whatnot
2228 [15:39:15] <greycat> What kind of update exactly?
2229 [15:39:18] <Kobaz> just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's good
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2231 [15:39:38] <greycat> graff: make sure a security.debian.org sources.list line is present, and do "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" daily or so.
2232 [15:39:44] <graff> greycat: idk. just basic measures to takes care of some level of security responsibilities?
2233 [15:39:50] <graff> greycat: hmm daily, that is a lot
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2235 [15:39:59] <shtrb> back to the issue, you need to understand how systemd` got installed (if you say you have removed it)
2236 [15:40:11] <Kobaz> yeah, not sure
2237 [15:40:21] <Kobaz> could have been anything since the last reboot (months ago)
2238 [15:40:23] <shtrb> and by remove you mean apt-get remove ?
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2240 [15:40:34] <Kobaz> apt-get remove and dpkg --purge
2241 [15:40:41] <RoyK> apt-get purge, perhaps
2242 [15:41:08] <Kobaz> so the only systemd stuff left is the bare minimum
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2244 [15:41:12] <Kobaz> like shim and whatnot
2245 [15:41:21] <graff> greycat: does that require any kind of rebooting ever?
2246 [15:41:27] <graff> I don't want to have to reboot the server
2247 [15:41:33] <Kobaz> firefox:8044): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly.
2248 [15:41:38] <greycat> If there's a kernel upgrade, yes, you'll want to reboot for the new kernel. Otherwise, typically not.
2249 [15:41:41] <Kobaz> having all kinds of permission issues
2250 [15:41:47] <realm> hey all how do I get postgresql or apt to reinit my postgres db
2251 [15:41:47] <graff> oh jesus
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2253 [15:41:56] <realm> I tried purge
2254 [15:42:01] <realm> and re'isstalling
2255 [15:42:03] <realm> still did not recreate it
2256 [15:42:04] <shtrb> greycat, and systemd` does not "just work" it is like a toothache you are waiting for a dentist appontment , you know it's broken but you don't have much except accept it
2257 [15:42:13] <greycat> shtrb: Funny, it works for me.
2258 [15:42:32] <RoyK> why did you remove systemd in the first place?
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2260 [15:42:39] <Kobaz> personal opinions shouldn't be expanded out to describe the world as a whole
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2263 [15:43:04] <Kobaz> RoyK: because shit randomly breaks and it's insanely time consuming to diagnose
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2265 [15:43:27] <Kobaz> i would rather things "just work"
2266 [15:43:31] <Kobaz> like it does with sysv
2267 [15:43:35] <Kobaz> personal preference... you know
2268 [15:43:45] <RoyK> Kobaz: IMHO systemd "just works"
2269 [15:43:49] <greycat> The only true thing you've said so far is "personal preference".
2270 [15:43:57] <Kobaz> anyway
2271 [15:44:00] <RoyK> I was a sceptic until I learned a bit more
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2273 [15:44:02] <Kobaz> so something is broken
2274 [15:44:19] <shtrb> greycat, I was bitten by systemd` too many times but I still use it (the fact it didn't happen to you is nice , but does not cover the rest)
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2276 [15:44:24] <Kobaz> systemd does seem like a mix of 'the right way' and an utter pile of monolithic turds
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2278 [15:44:38] <Kobaz> so.. i'm not sure if i want a mix of the two
2279 [15:44:40] * graff is scared to upgrade and get a poetterbug
2280 [15:44:41] <greycat> that's why all the monolithic crap is turned off by default
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2282 [15:44:57] <shtrb> Kobaz, can you check the commands you run to see how systemd` was installed ?
2283 [15:45:04] <Kobaz> probably not
2284 [15:45:06] <graff> i will need to wait until after work and then back everything up first
2285 [15:45:09] <Kobaz> i don't keep history back that far
2286 [15:45:11] <RoyK> greycat: the linux kernel is monolithic ;)
2287 [15:45:18] <Kobaz> right
2288 [15:45:21] <Kobaz> it's monolithic
2289 [15:45:22] <shtrb> greycat, let's move that to #debian-offtopic ? (systemD a divine creation that can not do any harm)
2290 [15:45:27] <Kobaz> but not filled with turds
2291 [15:45:38] <Kobaz> there's a pretty big difference
2292 [15:45:43] <Kobaz> anyway... so i still have permission problems
2293 [15:45:57] <graff> i don't understand why the kernel is not statically compiled for race free run time upgrading and then i could just upgrade with kexec!
2294 [15:46:05] <greycat> Kobaz: It definitely seems like something is failing to assign ownerships in your login session.
2295 [15:46:10] <Kobaz> yeah
2296 [15:46:29] <shtrb> Kobaz, can you verify is systemD is really installed ?
2297 [15:46:33] <graff> though that would be a really big kernel :p
2298 [15:47:04] <graff> anyway, thank for the help. i will do this after a backup tonight
2299 [15:47:10] <Kobaz> shtrb: why? i want to make sure it's gone
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2302 [15:47:34] <greycat> I'm also seeing "I use btrfs and shit keeps randomly breaking all the time so I blame systemd so I removed systemd and installed sysvinit core and shit is still breaking all the time but it couldn't POSSIBLY be btrfs"
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2304 [15:47:38] <shtrb> Kobaz, I'm talking about the state (you said it was installed after you removed, not to install it again )
2305 [15:47:46] <Kobaz> yeah i'm not sure
2306 [15:47:57] <Kobaz> like i said anything could have happened since i last rebooted probably in like april
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2310 [15:48:30] <Kobaz> i'm going around reinstalling a bunch of the core packages
2311 [15:48:31] <shtrb> Kobaz, dpkg --get-selections | grep The project that shall not be named
2312 [15:48:32] <Kobaz> we'll see..
2313 [15:48:39] <shtrb> grep systemd` sorry (auto replace)
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2315 [15:49:40] <Kobaz> some lib stuff is still in there
2316 [15:49:45] <Kobaz> lemme fix that
2317 [15:50:23] <shtrb> Kobaz, dpkg --get-selections | grep systemd
2318 [15:50:37] <Kobaz> right
2319 [15:50:38] <Kobaz> replaced-url
2320 [15:50:41] <Kobaz> yeah
2321 [15:50:43] <Kobaz> i weas still removing stuff
2322 [15:50:48] <Kobaz> so that's basically the bare minimum
2323 [15:50:48] <realm> ah got it
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2325 [15:51:05] <realm> ok so now when I type 'systemctl enable postgresql; systemctl start postgresql' it said it has started
2326 [15:51:10] <realm> but it appears to just immediately exit
2327 [15:51:13] <realm> with no hint as to why
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2329 [15:51:22] <Kobaz> i can't remove systemd because things like hplip need it
2330 [15:51:36] <Kobaz> i gotta put in another bug report on that
2331 [15:51:44] <Kobaz> there's no reason for a hard dependecy on systemd being installed
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2333 [15:51:46] <greycat> realm: start with "systemctl status postgresql" as root, and see if you get enough info from that. If not, you may have to read log files.
2334 [15:52:02] <realm> Active: active (exited) since Tue 2018-06-19 14:49:28 BST; 2min 29s ago
2335 [15:52:08] <realm> exited with 0
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2337 [15:52:34] <greycat> Not just that line. There should be all kinds of lines, including stuff that looks like it was grepped out of a log file, if you ran it as root.
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2339 [15:52:43] <Kobaz> shtrb: haha so you have an auto replace for systemd to 'The project that shall not be named' ?
2340 [15:53:04] <realm> greycat, nothing
2341 [15:53:12] <realm> just exit 0 no lines else at all
2342 [15:53:21] <greycat> realm: guess you need to look for the postgresql log files, then
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2344 [15:53:35] <realm> greycat, I am they are utterly as uninspiring
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2346 [15:54:00] <realm> infact if I tail the log files
2347 [15:54:10] <realm> and try to start postgres it adds nothing to its log files
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2352 [15:54:43] <realm> if I purge postgres
2353 [15:54:50] <realm> it should automatically reinit its self right
2354 [15:54:59] <shtrb> Kobaz, yes
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2356 [15:55:31] <greycat> realm: I'm not sure if purging the -server packages also purges the database directories
2357 [15:55:40] <realm> greycat, rm -RF should have though
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2359 [15:55:55] <realm> and .. nope
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2361 [15:56:01] <realm> did not init anything empty data directories
2362 [15:56:05] <realm> how do I force apt to do the init
2363 [15:56:06] <greycat> It's -rf and please tell me you did that WHILE the -server packages were purged....
2364 [15:56:37] <realm> yeah I chained them apt-get purge postgresql; rm -Rf /var/lib/postgresql/10 && apt-get install postgresql
2365 [15:57:11] <greycat> looks like the server package is named "postgresql-9.6"
2366 [15:57:23] <realm> I use version 10 from the postgresql upstream
2367 [15:57:24] <greycat> You only purged postgresql and not postgresql-9.6 ?
2368 [15:57:29] <greycat> *sigh*
2369 [15:57:31] <greycat> *plonk*
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2371 [15:57:47] <greycat> Another non-Debian user on the /ignore list. NEXT!
2372 [15:57:54] <shtrb> realm, if that's not from debian it does not exist
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2375 [15:58:09] <greycat> It may exist, but we can't possibly be expected to support it.
2376 [15:58:16] <realm> shtrb, I see
2377 [15:58:31] <petn-randall> realm: What does 'pg_lsclusteers' return?
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2379 [15:58:47] <petn-randall> `pg_lsclusters`
2380 [15:58:50] <realm> -su: pg_lsclusteers: command not found │
2381 [15:58:56] <shtrb> realm, when you install from non debian stuff there is virtually no option for apt to be sure about it
2382 [15:58:58] <realm> I am the postgres system user
2383 [15:59:10] <petn-randall> realm: Then you're not even using the Debian packages from postgres, it seems.
2384 [15:59:33] <petn-randall> Or you don't have it properly installed.
2385 [15:59:35] <`whoami`> there's a typo in the command
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2388 [15:59:59] <realm> interesting
2389 [16:00:04] <realm> I do not seem to be using the postgres upstream
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2392 [16:00:07] <petn-randall> realm: Right, I corrected it to `pg_lsclusters`
2393 [16:00:09] <realm> seems I am just using the debian ones
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2395 [16:00:17] <realm> according to sources.list
2396 [16:00:35] <petn-randall> realm: sources.list is not the way to figure out where it's installed from.
2397 [16:00:36] <realm> 10 main 5432 down <unknown> /var/lib/postgresql/10/main /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-10-main.log
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2400 [16:00:59] <petn-randall> realm: Check /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-10-main.log why it's not coming up.
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2403 [16:01:16] <realm> petn-randall, It does not appear to be written to even when I try to start postgres
2404 [16:01:22] <realm> tail -f in another tab
2405 [16:01:24] <realm> it never changes
2406 [16:01:54] <shtrb> tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
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2408 [16:02:26] <petn-randall> realm: Try purging all those packages (and also the postgres cluster) and installing those from Debian.
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2411 [16:02:40] <realm> permissions errors all over th eshop
2412 [16:02:43] <realm> cannot write to the pid
2413 [16:02:44] <shtrb> And make sure you only have DEBIAN in sources.list
2414 [16:02:47] <realm> cannot read th edata directory
2415 [16:02:55] <realm> easy to fix those at least
2416 [16:02:57] <realm> one mo
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2418 [16:03:13] <shtrb> if you have non debian mirrors nuke them out
2419 [16:03:37] <realm> shtrb, replaced-url
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2423 [16:04:37] <realm> replaced-url
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2426 [16:06:13] <realm> /var/lib/postgresql/10/main
2427 [16:06:17] <realm> won't exist
2428 [16:06:19] <realm> its not been init'd
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2432 [16:07:03] <petn-randall> …
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2434 [16:08:14] <petn-randall> realm: `pg_dropcluster 10 main` will remove that cluster.
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2437 [16:08:57] <realm> done with warnings
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2440 [16:09:52] <realm> I assume the opposite and createcluster?
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2442 [16:11:47] <realm> ok we now have main/ with all the DB files
2443 [16:11:51] <realm> owned by postgres:postgres
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2445 [16:12:22] <realm> finally got that dman thing running
2446 [16:12:34] <realm> kinda moronic to think knowledge of another OS would translate well >.>
2447 [16:12:35] <realm> cheers guys
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2461 [16:21:40] <no_gravity> Sometimes my laptop takes ages to shut down. It seems to happen when I have logged into certain wifi spots while it was on. Any ideas to find out what is going on?
2462 [16:21:58] <petn-randall> no_gravity: I'd check the logs.
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2465 [16:22:06] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Which one?
2466 [16:22:14] <petn-randall> no_gravity: /var/log/kern.log and daemon.log for starters.
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2470 [16:23:25] <petn-randall> no_gravity: If you have a persistent systemd journal, `journalctl -b -1` will show you all of it in a single journal.
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2473 [16:23:47] <no_gravity> petn-randall: I don't.
2474 [16:24:28] <no_gravity> petn-randall: how do I see what took long in those logs?
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2476 [16:25:36] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Scroll to the last boot and have a look at the timestamps.
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2481 [16:25:50] <no_gravity> petn-randall: How do I find the boot?
2482 [16:26:00] <no_gravity> There are gazillion lines in kern.log
2483 [16:26:04] <petn-randall> no_gravity: From the bottom (end), scroll up (pgup) and look at the timestamps to find the last boot.
2484 [16:26:10] <no_gravity> I do that.
2485 [16:26:18] <no_gravity> I scroll past trillionzillion lines...
2486 [16:26:23] <no_gravity> How do I notice its boot time?
2487 [16:27:17] <petn-randall> no_gravity: All lines in kern.log start with "kernel: [ 0.110417]". That number is the seconds since boot.
2488 [16:27:31] <no_gravity> Not here
2489 [16:27:42] <no_gravity> They start like this: Jun 19 16:26:42
2490 [16:27:52] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Can you paste a single line from that log?
2491 [16:28:01] <no_gravity> Ah, after it comes the number you mentioned.
2492 [16:28:06] <petn-randall> yes :)
2493 [16:28:11] <greycat> After that, there should be [800379.551138] or similar
2494 [16:28:24] <no_gravity> Yeah
2495 [16:28:37] <no_gravity> For *some* lines.
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2501 [16:29:04] <petn-randall> no_gravity: That way you can pin-point the exact time when you rebooted. All of the lines should have that, though.
2502 [16:29:09] <greycat> For literally every line. Note that some lines may be longer than your tty and therefore may wrap.
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2506 [16:30:45] <no_gravity> Most lines have it. Not the ones starting with "Jun 19 15:46:57 mymachine NetworkManager[..." though.
2507 [16:31:36] <no_gravity> There are many of those before the boot. So that hardened my suspicion it has to do with wifi.
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2510 [16:32:47] <no_gravity> I wonder why the machine thinks it has to use the wifi before shutdown.
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2514 [16:33:55] <no_gravity> I will try to disable wifi before shutdown.
2515 [16:33:59] <no_gravity> Lets see if that helps...
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2543 [16:44:51] <lembron> uhm... Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) "[revoked: 2018-06-09]" :/
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2549 [16:46:31] <lembron> where and how can i find the replacement? for AED4B06F473041FA
2550 [16:46:47] <perr-paranoic> Hi, Access to google drive with Institutional email crash only with Debian... How I can do? Thank you
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2552 [16:47:14] <jelly> lembron: which repo are you accessing?
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2555 [16:47:51] <lembron> "in the end" its pulling in a package from lenny - while running in jessie
2556 [16:48:10] <jelly> which SPECIFIC repo?
2557 [16:48:13] <jelly> !bat
2558 [16:48:14] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2566 [16:49:55] <lembron> worked 7 months ago by first pulling in AED4B06F473041FA (what is now revoked) - and with its help pull the expired lenny key 4D270D06F42584E6 - "last worked" is dockerbuild 6 months ago
2567 [16:50:20] <petn-randall> lembron: See the factoid from dpkg. Can you provide all the info in a single paste?
2568 [16:50:26] <greycat> Oh, it's a DOCKER question. OK. Now I know I can just /ignore.
2569 [16:50:43] <greycat> See, life is so simple.
2570 [16:50:44] <lembron> working on paste yes
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2573 [16:52:03] <jelly> lembron: you will want to have the whole debian-archive-keyring package from something like squeeze, squeeze-lts or lenny installed, not specific keys
2574 [16:52:24] <jelly> and then you'll "only" see KEYEXPIRED issues
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2577 [16:52:43] <petn-randall> greycat: I know showing sass can be fun, but it's not always helpful.
2578 [16:52:44] <jelly> cherry picking keys is not a greatest idea
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2580 [16:53:21] <jelly> whether we like it or not people now run Debian inside crappy container-based automation solutions
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2582 [16:53:57] <lembron> but id need the "first key" still to then install the lenny archive keyring dont i? - and thats kinda what i used todo - but that first one got revoked "last week" ;D
2583 [16:55:04] <jelly> lembron: the tool used to create the OS installation ought to install that package I guess
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2585 [16:55:39] <petn-randall> Well, docker is packaged in Debian, and also the Debian images are officially provided by Debian, so it can't be all that bad.
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2589 [16:56:08] <jelly> debootstrap has --keyring=
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2593 [16:56:53] <AliceKelly> interested in knowing what was / is wrong with webgl ?
2594 [16:57:19] <greycat> Are you the one trying to get webgl to work on some ancient mobility radeon thing?
2595 [16:57:30] <AliceKelly> i am / was
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2598 [16:57:58] <greycat> See "/topic #xorg" maybe?
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2600 [16:58:22] <AliceKelly> i figured out what was wrong and theres no fixing it
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2620 [17:02:19] <AliceKelly> I have 18 different machines of varying age up to an i7 i tested with both stretch debian and winblows 10. any machine that ran a 32 bit os webgl failed on
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2622 [17:03:05] <AliceKelly> but when insalled as 64bit on a 64bit system webgl ran fine
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2649 [17:11:48] <jelly> AliceKelly: which browser did you test?
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2654 [17:12:46] <AliceKelly> chromium/chrome firefox opera internet exploder ms edge
2655 [17:13:32] <jelly> I meant on Linux
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2659 [17:14:02] <AliceKelly> chromium firefox opera and a couple no name ones
2660 [17:15:01] <jelly> chrome, not chromium, worked for me WHEN the stars and drivers were aligned, but then they stopped making 32bit builds
2661 [17:15:04] <shtrb> AliceKelly, wine for the rescue
2662 [17:15:28] <AliceKelly> exactly
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2664 [17:16:21] <no_gravity> Back again. The shutdown took long again :/
2665 [17:16:32] <AliceKelly> im not sure exactly exactly what the problem is but it can be replicated. webgl doesnt want to run on a 32 bit os
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2667 [17:17:32] <no_gravity> Maybe I should kill -9 everything related to networking before shutting the machine down?
2668 [17:17:51] <greycat> ... not funny.
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2672 [17:18:57] <jelly> no_gravity: systemd?
2673 [17:19:02] <no_gravity> jelly: ?
2674 [17:19:06] <jelly> which init?
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2676 [17:19:15] <no_gravity> jelly: What does that mean?
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2679 [17:19:28] <greycat> no_gravity: ls -l /sbin/init
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2682 [17:19:42] <jelly> no_gravity: which init system is used on the machine that "shutdown took long again"
2683 [17:19:42] <no_gravity> greycat: systemd
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2686 [17:20:45] <no_gravity> It seems to happen when I logged into certain wifi hotspots
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2690 [17:23:15] <no_gravity> Some people on the net suggest removing wifi drivers with modprobe -r before shutdown.
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2696 [17:26:31] <RedSoxFan07> I'm running Debian Stretch and I installed nvidia-driver and its dependencies from the stretch-backports repositories. I want to see if there's an update for nvidia-driver and its dependences in stretch-backports so I can just update them and not everything else. How do I have apt list the updates available in the stretch-backports repository?
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2699 [17:27:09] <greycat> Why don't you want to update "everything else"?
2700 [17:27:30] <greycat> It's not like there's a shit-ton of security updates in stretch at the moment.
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2704 [17:28:35] <shtrb> no_gravity, NFS ?
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2706 [17:28:58] <no_gravity> shtrb: What is that? A network filesystem?
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2711 [17:30:00] <shtrb> yes , if you are using NFS it may cause slow shutdown
2712 [17:30:15] <no_gravity> No, I'm not using it.
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2714 [17:31:03] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: I thought updating everything else would bring my Stretch installation all the way up to Buster.
2715 [17:31:16] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: Or am I wrong about that?
2716 [17:31:17] <greycat> Why would you think that?
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2719 [17:31:36] <greycat> If your sources.list lines say "stretch" and "stretch-backports" then you will not get buster packages.
2720 [17:31:48] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: Okay, cool.
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2726 [17:34:10] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
2727 [17:34:10] <RedSoxFan07> libglvnd0-nvidia : Conflicts: libglvnd0 but 1.0.0+git20180308-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed
2728 [17:34:10] <RedSoxFan07> Conflicts: libglvnd0:i386 but 1.0.0+git20180308-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed
2729 [17:34:10] <RedSoxFan07> libglvnd0-nvidia:i386 : Conflicts: libglvnd0 but 1.0.0+git20180308-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed
2730 [17:34:10] <RedSoxFan07> Conflicts: libglvnd0:i386 but 1.0.0+git20180308-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed
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2737 [17:37:36] <lembron> well after some more digging, seems "there is no new key" replaced-url
2738 [17:38:44] <AliceKelly> anyone know a debian alternative to bulk image downloader
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2744 [17:42:14] <no_gravity> AliceKelly: What does it do?
2745 [17:42:45] <AliceKelly> you righ click a page and say download all images
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2747 [17:43:03] <AliceKelly> and it downloads all images to a folder
2748 [17:43:06] <no_gravity> That sounds like a browser plugin.
2749 [17:43:32] <AliceKelly> winblows program
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2752 [17:45:27] <greycat> Sounds like a browser extension to me too.
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2770 [17:56:47] <GNU\colossus> AliceKelly, maybe replaced-url
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2797 [18:10:21] <limbo_> AliceKelly: all images from the page, or all images open in tabs?
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2817 [18:22:30] <lembron> guess ill go with "deb [trusted=yes] ..." repo until they release a new key, if ever :/
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2833 [18:36:02] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: Come on, dude. You've been here long enough to know that you need to use a paste site.
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2838 [18:37:56] <sidetracking> what's the absolute, 100% EASIEST way to run a command on boot, every time
2839 [18:37:59] <sidetracking> don
2840 [18:38:07] <sidetracking> don't mind downloading a package or something like that
2841 [18:38:16] <greycat> put it in /etc/rc.local and chmod +x /etc/rc.local and make sure it has a proper shebang
2842 [18:38:18] <nkuttler> what kind of command?
2843 [18:38:19] <petn-randall> sidetracking: Add a cron job with time @reboot?
2844 [18:38:30] <greycat> Oh, hmm, that's easy too...
2845 [18:38:31] <petn-randall> sidetracking: Or what greycat said.
2846 [18:38:39] <sidetracking> thanks boyz
2847 [18:38:40] <greycat> OK, one of those two has to be easiest.
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2850 [18:39:12] <greycat> (Mine was easier in jessie than it is in a brand new stretch install, since the rc.local file is no longer created and chmodded for you.)
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2853 [18:40:03] <petn-randall> It depends on if the process returns or not. If it doesn't, rc.local will likely block. At least on sysv init.
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2856 [18:40:33] <greycat> If the process blocks, then you put & on the end of it, just like any other shell script.
2857 [18:40:38] <sidetracking> it's just a Go program that needs to run continuously
2858 [18:41:04] <nkuttler> if that's a need, you might want to use a supervisor
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2860 [18:41:12] <petn-randall> sidetracking: Then creating a systemd unit might be a tad more sensible.
2861 [18:41:26] <sidetracking> i know, i tried and failed
2862 [18:41:29] <greycat> Depends on how you weigh BETTER vs. EASIER.
2863 [18:41:30] <sidetracking> can i show you my init.d script
2864 [18:41:36] <greycat> NEVER make an init.d script!
2865 [18:41:37] <greycat> EVER!
2866 [18:41:40] <sidetracking> >_________>
2867 [18:41:40] <greycat> That's horrible!
2868 [18:41:48] <petn-randall> hahaha
2869 [18:41:54] <greycat> A systemd unit file is like 1000 times easier.
2870 [18:41:55] <petn-randall> greycat is at it again ;)
2871 [18:41:55] <sidetracking> wat do then
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2874 [18:42:01] <sidetracking> how
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2876 [18:42:13] <greycat> Either make a systemd unit file, or use rc.local correctly, or use crontab correctly.
2877 [18:42:35] <sidetracking> how can i test rc.local
2878 [18:42:35] <greycat> here's a tutorial for systemd unit files: replaced-url
2879 [18:42:37] <sidetracking> just reboot?
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2884 [18:43:34] <greycat> Ultimately, rebooting is the only full test of your changes.
2885 [18:43:53] <greycat> !rc.local
2886 [18:43:53] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
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2891 [18:45:05] <sidetracking> sounds good to me
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2930 [19:02:50] <Freenoodle> Since upgrading to sid today, I have got the warning from replaced-url
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2933 [19:04:16] <Freenoodle> Also, anybody can tell me a working way of downgrading all from unstable to testing? Setting up apt pinning with testing priority 1001 and unstable priority 60 doesn't do anything.
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2935 [19:05:59] <jelly> Freenoodle: remove unstable repos, wait 2-6 months
2936 [19:06:09] <jelly> and try again
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2938 [19:06:18] <jelly> also
2939 [19:06:21] <jelly> !debian-next
2940 [19:06:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2941 [19:06:47] <jelly> Freenoodle: and /msg dpkg partial downgrade
2942 [19:07:11] <Freenoodle> jelly, no that's not what I what. I did downgradessssss in the past with apt-pinning, they worked. But I was surprised to see that they down't work anymore
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2944 [19:07:27] <rfleming> Greetings.
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2946 [19:08:03] <jelly> I honestly have no idea why pinning to 1000+ would not work, but then again, it's sid. and testing.
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2949 [19:08:25] <jelly> if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces
2950 [19:08:33] <greycat> s/if/when/
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2952 [19:08:44] <rfleming> In KDE, on the plasma panel, how does one change the highlight colour from that blue... to anything that isn't blue. I've changed color schemes, I've changed desktop appearance... everything I could find, and still have blue as the highlight colour.
2953 [19:09:19] <rfleming> everything else has changed... just that one dumb thing
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2955 [19:09:58] <jelly> task manager mouseover hilight?
2956 [19:10:03] <rfleming> yeah
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2958 [19:10:07] <jelly> no idea :-)
2959 [19:10:16] <rfleming> and the app menu mouseover highlight
2960 [19:10:24] * rfleming is sick of blue
2961 [19:10:42] <jelly> ah, I almost never use that so I never noticed
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2964 [19:10:53] <rfleming> jelly: hell, I even switched to Latte Dock to get away from it, and the highlight colors there are still blue
2965 [19:10:56] * jelly just Alt-F2 and starts typing
2966 [19:11:31] <jelly> perhaps upstream might know, #kde
2967 [19:11:40] <rfleming> good idea.
2968 [19:11:43] <Freenoodle> jelly, thanks for trying to help, anyway
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2970 [19:11:54] <rfleming> I'll bug them :)
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2972 [19:13:08] <jelly> beware of the inevitable "5.8!??! So old we don't even! (support it)"
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2975 [19:13:31] <rfleming> I'm using testing, so I'm up to 5.12 :)
2976 [19:13:57] <jelly> but the same blue as on my stretch.
2977 [19:14:20] <rfleming> yeah... blue line under each task, and mouse-over on app menu
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2995 [19:21:15] <rfleming> jelly: the sound of silence is all that can be heard on #kde right now :)
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2997 [19:21:42] <greycat> great time to ask your question, then
2998 [19:21:53] <rfleming> hehe, that's after asking :)
2999 [19:21:59] <megaTherion> better not, enjoy the silence
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3053 [19:45:24] <mallxs> setting up a new stretch as router, i see that if i remove a eth card that then a other eth card gets a other name enp11s0 -> enp12s0 making my interfaces file not wordking any more, is there a rtfm some where i should consult ?
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3059 [19:47:34] <jim> mallxs, I think there are device rules (maybe udev?) that associate mac address to interface name... maybe you can find the rule in question and change its mac?
3060 [19:47:35] <Ouroboros> persistent interface names were supposed to fix this :P
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3063 [19:47:59] <Ouroboros> no, this is not udev, i don't think
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3067 [19:49:01] <mallxs> thanks folks for the udev hint.. will look into it
3068 [19:49:02] <Ouroboros> well, not the old udev way, i mean, it is still udev
3069 [19:50:01] <Ouroboros> mallxs: there are n different ways of doing this now, i suggest that you search for "persistent interface names" on se etc
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3071 [19:50:15] <jim> mallxs, you might also have to find the rule that has the current interface's mac addr and delete that rule
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3077 [19:51:20] <Ouroboros> mallxs: but why are you removing cards so much?
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3079 [19:51:34] <mallxs> jim: is't there a command to clean that upas i'm swapping carts all the time now
3080 [19:52:21] <mallxs> Ouroboros: i'm testing how many cards i can get in my asrock p67 extreme4 gen3
3081 [19:52:42] <Ouroboros> mallxs: maybe the simplest way is to disable persistent interface names by passing a flag on the kernel command line
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3083 [19:52:55] <Ouroboros> but then they may not be persistent in a different way, so ymmv
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3085 [19:53:08] <jim> I don't know of a command that specifically does that
3086 [19:53:37] <mallxs> thx again for the keywords .. i will google
3087 [19:54:15] <Ouroboros> mallxs: i have all the links on my other computer, but i am too lazy to get them now :P
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3099 [20:06:15] <Ouroboros> in what situations is ipv6 link-local address actually used?
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3102 [20:07:29] <Dagger> RAs and NDP use it (which also means default routes tend to be pointed to link-local addresses)
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3108 [20:08:24] <Dagger> it's also quite useful for connecting to machines when you screw up/don't know the network config on them
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3113 [20:11:56] <Ouroboros> sorry, let me clarify, i know that routers may use and advertise their ll address, but when do non-routers use their own ll address? i believe that they use the unspecified address for ndp?
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3115 [20:12:40] <Ouroboros> in other words, if i were to disable the ll address, it should not break ndp or any global communication?
3116 [20:13:10] <greycat> why would you touch it at all?
3117 [20:13:23] <Ouroboros> shrug, because ocd
3118 [20:13:38] <Dagger> ...yeah, leave it alone
3119 [20:13:44] <greycat> You obsessively and compulsively break shit at random all day long?
3120 [20:13:51] <Ouroboros> yes
3121 [20:13:53] <Dagger> tcpdump shows that it's used for NDP, so there
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3123 [20:14:22] <greycat> Couldn't you get some LEGOs or something?
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3126 [20:15:41] <Ouroboros> it is more about understanding how it all works
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3128 [20:16:35] <greycat> My understanding is "this is an address that's guaranteed to be here if I need it, even when other addresses come and go", so removing it seems like a really poor idea.
3129 [20:17:28] <GNU\colossus> lol @ legos :D
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3132 [20:19:20] <jim> but legos are harder to break!
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3134 [20:19:52] <greycat> the intent was you'd build something and then tear it apart, and that would satisfy the "breaking" impulse, but who knows
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3137 [20:21:03] <jim> and then use the pieces to build some other thing
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3166 [20:38:38] <Ouroboros> mallxs: askubuntu.com/questions/628217 serverfault.com/questions/856850 unix.stackexchange.com/questions/396382 unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28878 major.io/2015/08/21/understanding-systemds-predictable-network-device-names/ and references therein
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3169 [20:40:34] <Ouroboros> greycat: actually, the way that ipv6 configuration is currently done is really opaque, after digging through sysctls and iproute options for days, i finally understand some things
3170 [20:41:00] <Ouroboros> was any of it necessary? of course, no :P
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3173 [20:42:06] <greycat> replaced-url
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3177 [20:44:51] <Ouroboros> there were... other things too
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3179 [20:47:44] <Ouroboros> and, documentation is no substitute for testing, e.g., do you know how many things are plain wrong in ip-systctl.txt? many
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3185 [20:51:01] <somiaj> file bugreports and submit patches to fix them then.
3186 [20:51:05] <Ouroboros> i may submit a patch at some point, but really whoever wrote it should fix it
3187 [20:52:46] <somiaj> sure, pass the responsibility, or contribute and fix things.
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3190 [20:53:13] <somiaj> it could be it was correct at the time it was written, and just hasn't been updated or overlooked. You seem to notice some things and might even know how to fix them, hence best to contribute.
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3197 [20:56:43] <Ouroboros> yeah, exactly, the documentation needs to match the kernel version, but it takes a long time to dig through the kernel source changes
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3200 [20:57:56] <Ouroboros> it costs me 10x more than it costs them, and still i will likely submit a patch, but it is not as if i feel that i do not contribute enough :P
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3249 [21:32:27] <dutchfish> Ouroboros, i think you are right about the docs, same goes for latest changes in ipv6 and nftables.
3250 [21:33:33] <dutchfish> Ouroboros, on the other hand i use most of the time the docs inside the sources
3251 [21:33:58] <Ouroboros> some of the comments in there are hilarious
3252 [21:34:09] <dutchfish> :)
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3259 [21:36:58] <dutchfish> Ouroboros, i use this for a quick overview of the changes replaced-url
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3261 [21:37:23] <dutchfish> Ouroboros, good luck
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3263 [21:37:36] <logginghelp> My debian brothers
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3266 [21:38:06] <logginghelp> what is a good way to aggregate all system logs (/var/log, journald, etc) into a mysql database
3267 [21:38:13] <frozenrouter_> quick question about scp, which I am backing up a system with just now (strange noises from HDD, ironically none so far during backup), is there any sort of data integrity (tcp/hashing) used with the scp command?
3268 [21:38:43] <logginghelp> frozenrouter_: just tcp's packet checksums
3269 [21:39:25] <frozenrouter_> IIRC, they will allow it to be known if data was corrupted during transport, and the order it is in?
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3272 [21:40:05] <nic_> debian iso from usb error File Not Contiguous ! solution please
3273 [21:40:56] <greycat> If you're doing a full backup I would use rsync instead of scp.
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3276 [21:41:13] <logginghelp> ^
3277 [21:41:30] <greycat> Hell, I would use tar cf - . | ssh root@remote 'cd /foo && tar xf -' over scp.
3278 [21:41:46] <frozenrouter_> rsync is probably preferrable, however I am not familiar with it, and wanted to get my important data folders first, if the disk was bad and likely to fail
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3281 [21:42:02] <RoyK> greycat: try rsync
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3287 [21:43:12] <logginghelp> I need a good simple way of log collection and storage
3288 [21:43:19] <logginghelp> :>
3289 [21:43:26] <logginghelp> Something that scales
3290 [21:43:47] <frozenrouter_> The general important question for me (I suspect the answer will be yes, but I need to be really sure), is if I copy something over scp, can I trust it to not be corrupted or missing parts of the file?
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3292 [21:44:06] <greycat> It will be corrupted if the source file on disk is corrupted.
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3294 [21:44:19] <greycat> It will be intact if the source file on disk is intact.
3295 [21:44:42] <logginghelp> ^
3296 [21:44:42] <jhutchins_wk> frozenrouter_: I belive scp does checksumming, I know rsync does.
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3298 [21:44:45] <frozenrouter_> alright, thats good to know, thanks greycat :)
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3301 [21:45:05] <greycat> It's like cp with a network involved, and mangling of destination pathnames if they have spaces in them.
3302 [21:45:05] <nic_> any defraggler alternative for linux
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3305 [21:45:35] <logginghelp> nic_: your filesystem auto de-frags if its ext
3306 [21:45:38] <greycat> (source pathnames with spaces are fine, just not destination pathnames)
3307 [21:45:43] <jhutchins_wk> logginghelp: rsyslog can log to a remote server.
3308 [21:45:46] <logginghelp> I'm pretty sure ext, xfs, openzfs
3309 [21:45:51] <frozenrouter_> sounds like my files should be in the best condition they can arrive in for my ASAP backup, thanks guys :)
3310 [21:45:51] <nic_> its fat32 usb
3311 [21:46:28] <nic_> ext will ate my usb
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3316 [21:47:11] <logginghelp> ???
3317 [21:47:25] <nic_> alternative to defraggler in debian ?
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3319 [21:48:22] <ksk> nic_: as far as I know flash memroy based things dont work like spinning disks, so running a "defragmentation" is not a thing.
3320 [21:48:24] <greycat> If it's FAT32 then it's probably a tiny plastic "thumb drive" that you use for sneakernetting files, so you can simply delete all the files once in a while and that will defrag it.
3321 [21:49:23] <nic_> no other way around to make iso contigious in debian ?
3322 [21:49:32] <ksk> like, on a HDD it takes time if one block of a file is far away from the next block, because the disk needs to move. flash does not have this problems.
3323 [21:49:48] <Ouroboros> dutchfish: so is nftables recommended now?
3324 [21:50:17] <ksk> nic_: do you have an actual problem you are trying to solve? I dont understand that last part about an debian iso.
3325 [21:50:45] <greycat> It can't be both FAT32 and ISO9660.
3326 [21:51:28] <Ouroboros> frozenrouter_: best to checksum whatever possible yourself
3327 [21:51:56] <nic_> when i boot debian.iso from usb it stop at error File Not Contiguous and does not boot .So how to make iso of debian contigious not fragmented
3328 [21:52:14] <ksk> frozenrouter_: my (maybe naive) approach to something like this always was: run the rsync command again, if it does not transmit anything you are good.
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3330 [21:52:39] <logginghelp> ok stupid question jhutchins_wk
3331 [21:52:47] <greycat> nic_: sounds like the image is corrupt, or you didn't write it to the USB device correctly.
3332 [21:52:50] <frozenrouter_> Ouroboros: Sounds like a good idea, hopefully a sha512 or md5sum will work on the directory the same
3333 [21:52:51] <logginghelp> well, there are no stupid questions but lets try and be stupid with this one
3334 [21:53:01] <logginghelp> journald collects all service logs and kernel logs
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3336 [21:53:12] <logginghelp> and rsyslogd collects everything else
3337 [21:53:13] <logginghelp> >
3338 [21:53:15] <nic_> i use defraggler on windows to defrag debian iso than it booted correctly so i would like to do it from debian distro ..So any alternative for defraggler in debian ?
3339 [21:53:16] <logginghelp> ?*
3340 [21:53:29] <greycat> logginghelp: it gets whatever is written via syslog()
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3345 [21:54:45] <logginghelp> greycat: journald?
3346 [21:54:46] <nic_> there is no defragler in debian for fat 32
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3348 [21:54:59] <ksk> logginghelp: afaik journald gets stuff "automaticly" when services are started via sytemd and do log to stdout/stderr. you would need to specify for a service to log to syslog (most common services can do that)
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3350 [21:55:25] <greycat> nic_: you're just spewing nonsense. The netinst installer images are known to work for everyone else on the planet except you, and none of us have ever used a "defraggler".
3351 [21:55:54] <logginghelp> ksk: ah
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3353 [21:56:04] <greycat> I sure as hell would not trust whatever a "defraggler" does to a Debian netinst image to continue being a usable netinst image.
3354 [21:56:05] <Ouroboros> frozenrouter_: e.g. using 'find -type f -exec openssl sha512 {} \; > sums', or similar
3355 [21:56:14] <Ouroboros> oops
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3357 [21:57:07] <nic_> because your usb does not have extra files on it so i need a defraggler .I do it on windows ,But there is any defraggler for fat32 in debian as application or terminal command ?
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3359 [21:57:31] <jhutchins_wk> nic_: Why would it matter if an iso were contiguous?
3360 [21:57:44] <greycat> Because he's NOT FOLLOWING THE FUCKING INSTRUCTIONS.
3361 [21:57:48] <logginghelp> nic_: no.
3362 [21:57:52] <logginghelp> the answer is no.
3363 [21:57:56] <ksk> nic_: it does not matter. if you have copied your debian image to an usb-stick correctly you can just add files and it will stay working..
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3365 [21:58:03] <greycat> He says he has other crap on the USB device and he's trying to make it coexist with the netinst image.
3366 [21:58:06] <greycat> 15:57 Ignoring ALL from nic_
3367 [21:58:25] <ksk> chrchr. okay.
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3370 [21:59:16] <nic_> oh no defraggler available than one must make it available for debian.I wish to use it
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3373 [21:59:53] <Ouroboros> i, too, am interested in this 'defraggler' o.O
3374 [22:00:16] <greycat> Putting the Debian installer image onto a USB device will NUKE whatever is on the device already. It overwrites the partition table at the start of the device, and then lays down its own file systems/partitions/everything. Whatever you had before, is gone. This is NORMAL. This is EXPECTED. USB thumb drives are transient storage media. You use them and then wipe them.
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3376 [22:02:22] <nic_> ksk i have files on usb already and when i put debian iso live boot using rufus or unet boot in the iso od debian gets fragmented and when i try to boot it .It does not boot with error debian iso is not contigious and than i start windows and use defraggler to defragment debian iso..than i reboot and debian iso boot to live system ..SO I WANT TO DEFRAGMENT DEBIAN ISO IN DEBIAN ..There is any alternative for defraggler in debian ?
3377 [22:02:42] <ksk> nic_: what greycat said.
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3383 [22:05:08] <nic_> no when i put debian iso on usb do not delete anything it just put iso file on it.Try to use Yumi boot iso grub from 4th partition
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3385 [22:05:19] <logginghelp> greycat:
3386 [22:05:27] <logginghelp> Can I throw a stupid idea at you?
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3391 [22:05:45] <annadane> oh no.
3392 [22:06:02] <jhutchins_wk> nic_: You do not understand what's happening. It has nothing to do with fragmentation.
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3395 [22:06:20] <Ouroboros> nic_: so you are using seven third-party tools and then wondering why things are going wrong?
3396 [22:06:21] <jhutchins_wk> nic_: In spite of what your silly windows program might have told you.
3397 [22:06:33] <logginghelp> nic_: It's not. Fragmentation
3398 [22:06:49] <logginghelp> nic_: also, there is no tool that does that on Linux
3399 [22:06:49] <greycat> A debian installer image is a whole DISK image, not a file system image. The ".iso" is misleading. It is more than a simple ISO 9660 file system.
3400 [22:06:53] <logginghelp> Linux filesystems are sane
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3402 [22:07:20] <logginghelp> nic_: please for the love of god just use etcher to make a usb
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3404 [22:07:24] <logginghelp> replaced-url
3405 [22:07:32] <nic_> greycat debian live iso not installer image
3406 [22:07:38] <logginghelp> You *literally can not screw up*
3407 [22:07:40] <uniqdom> i need to run a script at boot so i have added this line in rc.local: /home/user/Documents/pumpMonitor.py >> /tmp/pump.log 2>&1 &
3408 [22:08:04] <uniqdom> the scritp is exected at boot, can't see anything in /tmp/pump.log
3409 [22:08:10] <greycat> Oh yes, I store all of the commands that I want to run with root privileges during boot in some random user's ~/Documents/ directory.
3410 [22:08:22] <greycat> What could possibly go wrong.
3411 [22:08:53] <uniqdom> what could possibly go wrong?
3412 [22:09:02] <jhutchins_wk> uniqdom: Does it run if you call it from the command line?
3413 [22:09:11] <uniqdom> yes. as user and as root
3414 [22:09:11] <jhutchins_wk> uniqdom: As root?
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3417 [22:09:31] <logginghelp> please stop
3418 [22:09:31] <greycat> Start by putting it in /usr/local/sbin and then changing rc.local to run it from /usr/local/sbin.
3419 [22:09:37] <logginghelp> My soul hurts
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3422 [22:09:57] <annadane> would anyone mind getting me some more popcorn?
3423 [22:10:00] <greycat> Make sure rc.local has a valid shebang and +x permissions. The fact that your log file *exists* is a good sign.
3424 [22:10:11] * logginghelp hands annadane popcorn
3425 [22:10:36] <logginghelp> I'm just here trying to understand how to make logging less awful on Linux
3426 [22:10:40] <logginghelp> by making it more awful
3427 [22:10:44] <logginghelp> 10/10
3428 [22:10:51] <Ouroboros> logginghelp: syslog-ng? i dunno
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3430 [22:11:09] <Ouroboros> my solution was to just not care
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3433 [22:12:14] <uniqdom> rc.local is using #!/bin/sh -e as shebang
3434 [22:12:14] <logginghelp> I want to bring important logs into a mysql database
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3436 [22:12:19] <logginghelp> or even a sqllite database
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3439 [22:12:33] <ksk> logginghelp: please no.
3440 [22:12:45] <ksk> use logstash or similar.
3441 [22:13:00] <logginghelp> I don't want big bulky one size fits all
3442 [22:13:03] <jhutchins_wk> logginghelp: You can do that, but it's not a Debian-specific question/project.
3443 [22:13:12] <logginghelp> I just want to be able to pull the data into a database and query it :>
3444 [22:13:14] <greycat> If "important" means "things that write via syslog()" then you can configure rsyslog (or syslog-ng or whatever you use globally) to duplicate stuff through a program of your choosing. Write something that appends them all to one giant file if you like.
3445 [22:13:17] <Ouroboros> please no sql where a simple text file will suffice
3446 [22:13:20] <jhutchins_wk> logginghelp: If you put it in a database it'll be bigger.
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3448 [22:13:38] <logginghelp> jhutchins_wk: fair enough
3449 [22:14:10] <logginghelp> ok
3450 [22:14:19] <logginghelp> So look at logstash / rslogd
3451 [22:14:27] <logginghelp> rsyslog*
3452 [22:14:51] <jhutchins_wk> Here we go, Remote Logging Using Rsyslog and MySQL: replaced-url
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3454 [22:15:10] <logginghelp> Thanks my dude
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3457 [22:15:25] <logginghelp> dude/tt
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3459 [22:15:39] <jhutchins_wk> logginghelp: See also replaced-url
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3462 [22:17:16] <Ouroboros> damnit, now i have to learn nftables, thanks guys
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3464 [22:17:38] <logginghelp> jhutchins_wk: I'm setting up a Alpine box to ingest logs from my Debian VM's
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3466 [22:17:51] <logginghelp> Alpine's smallness and ability to rebuild on reboot is nice
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3468 [22:18:08] <logginghelp> Debian's rock solid never need to reboot reliability is unbeatable
3469 [22:18:10] <jhutchins_wk> It is _possible_ to build a bootable iso image from scratch, and people have built multi-boot installers, but it's not a trivial project for a new admin.
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3474 [22:19:39] <logginghelp> I'm just going to ask the stupid question.
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3477 [22:19:59] <logginghelp> How bad is it that I have debian installs that haven't been rebooted in years...
3478 [22:20:07] <greycat> fairly typical, I'd say
3479 [22:20:34] <logginghelp> Debian is just too stable.
3480 [22:20:38] <greycat> once a box goes past LTS into EOL territory, there are no updates, so no reason to reboot it
3481 [22:20:47] <logginghelp> I forget to reboot these machines for updates
3482 [22:20:52] <FinalX> but to answer your question: if any other user has access to it that does not normally have root/sudo access, or if the machine is remotely reachable over the internet: (very) bad
3483 [22:21:09] <greycat> Yeah, you wouldn't want to do this on public machines.
3484 [22:21:15] <FinalX> if it went past EOL territory, it might still have had security updates that were important.. though not the most recent ones
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3486 [22:21:45] <FinalX> (you really shouldn't be running anything below jessie)
3487 [22:21:46] <somiaj> ,i needrestart
3488 [22:21:47] <judd> Package needrestart (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 2.11-3+deb9u1; Size: 45.8k; Installed: 227k; Homepage: replaced-url
3489 [22:22:01] <FinalX> but certainly not wheezy or below.
3490 [22:22:13] <greycat> Well, um.
3491 [22:22:25] <greycat> I won't tell you how many "wheezy or below" systems we have, then.
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3493 [22:22:52] <FinalX> we also have a few, but they're not reachable over the internet at least, and most are having stretch replacements set up
3494 [22:23:04] <FinalX> wheezy's no longer getting security updates, though
3495 [22:23:22] <somiaj> hmm, unsure if needrestart tells you if you need to reboot due to a new kernel
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3497 [22:23:29] <jhutchins_wk> For a while there was a project to do a live patch of the running kernel so you didn't have to reboot.
3498 [22:23:39] <FinalX> somiaj: quite sure it does
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3500 [22:23:44] <greycat> That never happened in Debian AFAIK.
3501 [22:23:49] <somiaj> FinalX: there is now an ELTS (Extended Long Term Support) for wheezy for another year and it will have updates for core server side stuff
3502 [22:24:00] <somiaj> basically stuff that sponsors are paying to keep secuity updates on
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3505 [22:24:30] <FinalX> yeah.. so... suggestion still stands.. you shouldn't be running it :)
3506 [22:24:40] <FinalX> (the fact that we are, doesn't mean we should be)
3507 [22:25:10] <somiaj> whezzy with ETLS (you may need to update sources.list) should be just fine, there is a group of people paying money to debian developers to keep it alive.
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3509 [22:25:39] <somiaj> As as long as people (coorprations I belive) are willing to keep funding this, they will keep supporting the kernel and server side stuff on x86
3510 [22:25:41] <FinalX> think until a couple of months ago we even still had an etch box somewhere ;-)
3511 [22:26:00] <FinalX> ..nobody dared to touch it anymore
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3516 [22:26:28] <somiaj> after using centos6 fora while, I find debian quite up to date
3517 [22:26:39] <somiaj> and we only recentally updated from centos5 when it hit end of life last summer
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3519 [22:27:33] <somiaj> but anyways, replaced-url
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3522 [22:28:01] <FinalX> thanks for the tip - though I also kinda don't want to give people reason to not start worrying about upgrading
3523 [22:28:25] <FinalX> or else it'll still be as it is a year from now :)
3524 [22:28:50] <greycat> Near as I can tell, there are no publically available wheezy ELTS sources.
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3526 [22:29:08] <greycat> Or if there are, they're quite hidden.
3527 [22:31:03] <FinalX> replaced-url
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3529 [22:32:36] <somiaj> And suggest that if people are going to use them, they donate to freexian
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3532 [22:33:02] <FinalX> hm, interesting. "There are currently no mirrors of this service and it runs on a small dedicated server." .. maybe we should host a public mirror for them.. we run ftp.debian.nl as well :)
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3535 [22:34:02] <Ouroboros> FinalX: i have some etch installs still, but they mostly stopped working because of lack of hardware support
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3537 [22:34:15] <kminor> Hey guys, I cannot remove package cpp-4.1-doc it just breaks my system
3538 [22:34:38] <annadane> you're going to get the same answer here you did in the other channel
3539 [22:34:44] <annadane> or is freenode "worthless" as well?
3540 [22:34:57] <kminor> started on a wheezy to jessie upgrade, all is fixed but this one if anyone quickly has an answer or encountered it
3541 [22:35:16] <FinalX> Ouroboros: same reason why we didn't upgrade that one back then :)
3542 [22:35:18] <kminor> annadane: I don't like you
3543 [22:35:26] <annadane> that's ok, i don't like you either
3544 [22:35:27] <greycat> Oh, we're off to a good start.
3545 [22:35:40] <greycat> annadane: can you spoil us and reveal what the answer was?
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3547 [22:35:57] <annadane> exclamation point bat
3548 [22:36:00] <kminor> great.. just was curious if anyone had encountered that. This network won't allow pastebin
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3550 [22:36:17] <kminor> !bat
3551 [22:36:17] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3552 [22:36:18] <greycat> Pick a different paste server. Like replaced-url
3553 [22:36:31] <greycat> Or whatever one works for you.
3554 [22:36:36] <kminor> ok
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3556 [22:37:24] <Ouroboros> FinalX: i may still fix them, but it requires getting a much newer kernel from backports or something
3557 [22:37:48] <greycat> The *worst* paste servers are hastebin and the others that require Javascript to read the pastes. They fail in every non-JS browser (which basically includes all tty browsers). Second place in badness after that is pastebin.com due to ads and mangling of content.
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3561 [22:39:40] <Ouroboros> FinalX: actually, i went pretty much straight from etch to stretch, so the only difference was in the str :P
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3568 [22:46:37] <FinalX> Ouroboros: haha
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3576 [22:50:22] <louisdk> Doing some mysql packages updates with apt I get this "Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'louis-server.lan' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1." I just can't figure out where it gets louis-server.lan from and how I can change it to localhost. Looking in /etc/mysql/ didn't gave any clues.
3577 [22:50:32] <mallxs> Ouroboros: "but why are you removing cards so much?" your right, just insert all cards and accept the given names ... it works fine ... tkx
3578 [22:50:41] <greycat> louisdk: grep louis /etc/hosts
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3582 [22:52:31] <Ouroboros> mallxs: problem solved
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3584 [22:53:02] <oomph> can anyone recommend a good open source fax server that runs on debian?
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3586 [22:53:10] <louisdk> greycat: 127.0.1.1 louis-server
3587 [22:53:11] <petemc> ive used hylafax
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3589 [22:53:26] <jhutchins_wk> oomph: Yeah, hylafax is pretty much it for Linux fax servers.
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3591 [22:53:44] <oomph> petemc I have a jumior admin here, does Hylafax have a web interface that would be easy for him to use?
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3593 [22:53:58] <petemc> yeah
3594 [22:53:59] <jhutchins_wk> oomph: Occasionally needs to be restarted because the modem becomes "stuck".
3595 [22:54:12] <greycat> louisdk: are you for some reason connecting to IP address 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1? Or instead of localhost, or the local unix domain socket or whatever MySQL uses?
3596 [22:54:12] <jhutchins_wk> oomph: Use for what?
3597 [22:54:23] <oomph> small business
3598 [22:54:27] <Ouroboros> is there any difference between 'ip address delete' and 'ip address flush', besides selection criteria?
3599 [22:54:57] <jhutchins_wk> oomph: There's not much interaction, it receives faxes and posts them to email, and you can get a driver for a desktop to "print to fax".
3600 [22:55:16] <oomph> petemc is the web interface an another package or is it included in the Hylafax package?
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3602 [22:55:26] <petemc> i used it with maybe 5 or 6 modems sending to kyocera printers
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3604 [22:56:14] <louisdk> greycat: don't think so. Would like to change get mysql to connect to localhost. Just don't know where to change it.
3605 [22:56:15] <oomph> we have a circuit delivering the DID's
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3611 [22:57:08] <oomph> the previous admin used a company called Open Text, but the renewal cost of their appliance is insane. For how little we use faxing these days.
3612 [22:57:09] <greycat> louisdk: well, it would be in your script.... oh, you said you got it from *apt* ?! No idea.
3613 [22:57:56] <louisdk> I'm trying to update the mythtv-database package. Will ask in the mythtv channel.
3614 [22:58:09] <greycat> ,v mythtv-database
3615 [22:58:10] <judd> Package: mythtv-database on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.26.2-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 0.27.7-dmo1+deb8u1; stretch-multimedia: 0.28.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 29.1+fixes20180603.git1777cc4425-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 29.1+fixes20180603.git1777cc4425-dmo1
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3618 [22:58:35] <greycat> all of 'em say -multimedia :-/
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3624 [23:02:16] <jhutchins_wk> I would say he needs to figure out his mysql login before he bothers mythtv.
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3627 [23:02:44] <jhutchins_wk> It's possible he's messed with his hosts fike and doesn't have a localhost entry.
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3629 [23:03:02] <jhutchins_wk> hosts file
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3631 [23:03:17] <greycat> Hmm, I was thinking of suggesting "grep 127 /etc/hosts" also, but thought that might be too nitty-gritty at this point.
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3633 [23:03:37] <Ouroboros> i don't quite understand the point of 127.0.1.1, i guess i should read through the original bug report
3634 [23:03:56] <greycat> 127.0.0.1 maps to the name "localhost" and vice versa, which gives you no place to put your own host name
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3637 [23:04:17] <greycat> so Debian uses 127.0.1.1 for your actual host name + domain, aliased to your host name
3638 [23:04:21] <Ouroboros> i.e. if the machine does not have an external address, what is the argument against mapping the hostname to 127.0.0.1 as it used to be done?
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3643 [23:05:30] <Ouroboros> what would be the problem with '127.0.0.1 localhost hostname'?
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3647 [23:06:43] <greycat> replaced-url
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3649 [23:07:26] <greycat> <3 google
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3658 [23:12:34] <Ouroboros> yeah, i saw that already :P
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3660 [23:12:45] <greycat> then why are you asking us?
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3663 [23:13:19] <Ouroboros> because i just read through half of the original mailing list thread and i still do not fully understand the point
3664 [23:14:12] <Ouroboros> they want the hostname to be canonical for some address, so if it was as i proposed above, then localhost would be canonical instead, which is bad because ...
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3666 [23:14:52] <Ouroboros> i guess i will keep reading
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3755 [23:56:57] <somiaj> FinalX: you could contact the owner of freedian and see if they would like such a service. It might be they have only a few big clients who use caching and updates in wheezy don't happen that often, nice thing is most security bugs are in new features not present in wheezy codebase
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