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• 50[00:47:27] <galex-713> usb like ssd are flash memory right? why aren’t usb drives as fast as ssd?
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• 52[00:50:32] <Tom-_> well USB isn't as fast as SATA
• 53[00:50:38] <Tom-_> maybe that's what you mean
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• 156[02:12:07] <JustSayin> STOP BEING A PROSTITUTE YOU ASSHOLE
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• 161[02:14:04] <Akuw> hi, i am using debian 5.0 and virtualbox, but configure as Bridge, but from my host can't see it
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• 163[02:14:26] <Akuw> Host: Debian 9, Guest: debian5
• 164[02:14:36] <abrotman> 5?
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• 166[02:15:09] <Akuw> yes
• 167[02:15:25] <Akuw> i installed to test one app using old version of php
• 168[02:15:51] <Akuw> my computer has wifi
• 169[02:16:09] <mrxrobot> hello guys
• 170[02:16:24] <mrxrobot> Does anyone here know how to install the "toxic"?
• 171[02:16:26] <Akuw> i selected wlp3sO
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• 173[02:16:47] <Akuw> and enp9sO
• 174[02:17:00] <Akuw> none works, i test before using wired network and work fine
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• 179[02:18:13] <Akuw> in my guest i see eth0
• 180[02:18:24] <abrotman> Akuw: Did you try rebooting the 5 host, and did you check dmesg to see if it was renamed?
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• 183[02:18:42] <Akuw> let me see
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• 186[02:22:13] <Akuw> NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex
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• 188[02:22:26] <Akuw> but when use ifconfig no ip is there
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• 201[02:30:19] <Akuw> no renamed
• 202[02:30:23] <Akuw> it is eth0
• 203[02:30:31] <yesno> mrxrobot you can clone its git repository and build it
• 204[02:31:20] <yesno> assuming you mean the messaging client
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• 207[02:32:12] <mrxrobot> yesno: yes
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• 209[02:32:33] <mrxrobot> toxic is a messaging client
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• 211[02:33:14] <yesno> there are instructions on their github repo
• 212[02:33:18] <yesno> replaced-url
• 213[02:33:29] <mrxrobot> thank you
• 214[02:33:55] <yesno> np
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• 275[03:29:25] <styks1987> I’ve always relied on fail2ban for basic filtering. Is this still a somewhat good tool nowadays or has something supersceeded it?
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• 280[03:34:44] <somiaj> styks1987: it is still a good tool, though my understanding it is mostly setup for ssh. You may have to add some confgiurations if you have other types of logins (such as a webapp) you want it to work with, but it is scriptable and possible to ban if the webapp logs the login attempts.
• 281[03:35:07] <somiaj> I know some who like to have both fail2ban and denyhost as two tools wantchign things, but fail2ban is a good tool
• 282[03:35:24] <styks1987> somiaj: thanks!
• 283[03:36:04] <somiaj> hmm, found an intersting iptables method, this will drop hosts who try to connect to often.
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• 287[03:37:01] <somiaj> ,i sshguard
• 288[03:37:02] <judd> Package sshguard (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: Protects from brute force attacks against ssh. Version: 1.7.1-1; Size: 356.8k; Installed: 2429k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 289[03:37:08] <somiaj> seems that is a newer project you could look into
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• 292[03:38:13] <styks1987> Thanks, I’ll look into that
• 293[03:38:46] <somiaj> anyways, fail2ban looks like the most versitle tool to me, and it is very configurable, and as I said you can use it on any service that logs login attempts and teach it how to parse the logs.
• 294[03:39:05] <michael2> somiaj: do you mean clients who try to open too many connections? I think that is usually something associcated with DOS attacks - which I think apache has security plugins for
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• 296[03:40:16] <somiaj> michael2: It was more a rate limit in iptables, the example would make it so any ip that requests more than 10 connections a minute is blocked. It is an iptables only solution, but I still think fail2ban is better
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• 298[03:40:36] <somiaj> but yea dos attacks, could also be brute force password login attacks
• 299[03:41:36] <michael2> makes sense - lots of SYN packets could be a precursor to either attack. yeah, fail2ban also has the ability to drop packets of hosts who make http requests which keep 404'ing
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• 403[05:23:50] <awal1> just right mouse clic and copy the link, no selection of the link needed ^
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• 444[06:00:03] <kirk781> My bluetooth headphones stutter on PC when I am using wi-fi[since they presumably use the same frequency]; however the same problem does not occur when I pair it to my mobile
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• 452[06:06:01] <catz> If i open a local .html file (with content), i get a "File not found" page in firefox. When i try to open/upload a file i have to restart so it shows up and sometimes the same if i download/export stuff.
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• 456[06:07:36] <catz> the firefox window says (sandboxed or root) and the file browser doesn't so i guess it has to do something with that
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• 461[06:10:11] <allizom> catz: your description is not clear to me
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• 465[06:12:36] <catz> allizom: i want to create a website and test it, but whenever i open the local index.html firefox shows me a file not found page
• 466[06:13:29] <allizom> what do you mean with "sandboxed or root"?
• 467[06:13:58] <catz> allizom: and whenever i want to upload a file via a form or something like that i have to make sure i restart firefox so the "new" file shows up in the list as well
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• 469[06:15:01] <catz> allizom: on top of that HexChat window for example it says "HexChat (sandboxed or root), same for firefox and some other programs
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• 472[06:15:51] <allizom> are you using some software which sandboxes other programs?
• 473[06:16:54] <catz> allizom: i just installed parrot 2 days ago and i think they preinstalled something like that
• 474[06:17:22] <allizom> are you using debian or a derivative? the latter ones are not supported here
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• 476[06:18:17] <catz> allizom: ok thanks, have to try my luck in their forums then
• 477[06:18:31] <allizom> yep, good luck :)
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• 480[06:23:41] <silverballz> ,kernels
• 481[06:23:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 482[06:23:43] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 758[09:38:45] <mi11k1> I need some help please, I am confused about a lot of things actually. But I need to get this file system working, I'm currently running (3) Dell Poweredge 510 and a HP 580, As per my boss Proxmox is running on an SSD on each one of those servers , and then there's an array of hard drives that are controlled by hardware and I have them under a raid 6 on each system.
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• 760[09:40:07] <mi11k1> They're set up as a cluster with Ceph, but im mixed up how to make it a shared filesystem with failover by fencing.
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• 776[09:50:14] <mkesper_> mi11k1: Maybe there's a better channel for that? Ceph is used with CloudStack a lot, afaik.
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• 778[09:51:09] <mi11k1> mkesper_, i was just wondering because proxmox is debian
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• 780[09:51:44] <annadane> !proxmox
• 781[09:51:45] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 782[09:51:51] <annadane> perhaps ask there
• 783[09:52:24] <mi11k1> im there as well
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• 785[09:53:20] <mi11k1> annadane, you are local to me
• 786[09:53:31] <mi11k1> im in st Cath
• 787[09:54:01] <melissa666> what would be equivalent of this command using ip instead of ifconfig? --> `ifconfig wlan0:avahi netmask 255.255.255.255`
• 788[09:54:32] <mi11k1> thats not an ifconfig command i dont think
• 789[09:54:39] <mi11k1> o nm
• 790[09:54:46] <mi11k1> just install ifconfig
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• 794[09:56:38] <melissa666> mi11k1, you must have trouble reading. I said "using ip instead of ifconfig"
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• 797[09:57:05] <melissa666> so installing ifconfig won't help me, will it?
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• 836[10:16:28] <jolt> melissa666: probably ip addr add avahi/24 dev wlan0
• 837[10:16:55] <jolt> but I haven't seen avahi as an ip before, but that is how you add an IP with netmask with ip
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• 841[10:20:50] <melissa666> jolt, thanks - I will try that
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• 845[10:22:48] <melissa666> jolt --> Error: inet prefix is expected rather than "avahi/24"
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• 847[10:23:36] <jolt> melissa666: I think it couldn't parse avahi there
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• 869[10:28:58] <jelly> melissa666: what is that command supposed to do anyway?
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• 871[10:29:23] <jelly> it looks like it just sets a /32 netmask on an interface with a weird name
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• 876[10:30:58] <melissa666> jelly, here it is in context: replaced-url
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• 878[10:31:13] <melissa666> the author says in another page "Note that the netmask is 255.255.255.255 so that IP addresses are not looked up on the local network with ARP requests. Note, however, that this will make the interface unreachable with a regular non-babel computer, and will break completely non-babel setups."
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• 880[10:31:43] * annadane still hasn't yet learn how to arbitrarily put # in links such that it scrolls down correctly (that page doesn't count as there are links)
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• 882[10:31:51] <annadane> s/learn/learned
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• 886[10:33:30] <annadane> (why is my typing getting worse daily?)
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• 888[10:34:31] <melissa666> annadane, if you really care, you can look at HTML source and find the name of the anchor and tack it on to end of URL. in this case, the correct one would have been <a href="#index2h2">Debian</a>
• 889[10:34:44] <annadane> oh neat, thanks
• 890[10:34:48] <melissa666> ... but yeah, when I am not being lazy, I usually just click the links in TOC :)
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• 906[10:47:29] <jolt> Oh, and I wrote /24 instead of /32 as well, however, I guess it doesn't matter due to the avahi part not being recognised
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• 990[11:52:07] <akd> !work
• 991[11:52:07] <dpkg> [work] a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-)
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• 1049[12:35:39] <hexnewbie> So I'm facing this problem with Debian Stretch: There's no working character map (GNOME's can't display characters matching a filter, KDE's crashes when you do anything, debian issue #869116). I work arounded KCharSelect's crashing by using dpkg-statoverride forcing /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher to have a-x permissions, so it never starts. Now GNOME programs start horribly slowly, because they
• 1050[12:35:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1051[12:35:41] <hexnewbie> wait for at-spi for 10 seconds.
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• 1055[12:36:45] <hexnewbie> I workarounded the slow start of GNOME programs by NO_AT_BRIDGE=1, but now some programs (notably GNOME Terminal) never start. And I need GNOME terminal, because KDE's has severe destructive bugs.
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• 1057[12:40:21] <hexnewbie> I am two months into writing my own character map software to fix the issue, but in the meantime is there way to nuke accessibility form orbit, without breaking GNOME?
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• 1225[14:41:41] <medfly> on a scale of 1 to 10, if I have a /etc/debian_version, can I assume /bin/bash exists?
• 1226[14:42:17] <medfly> I'm just gonna check, easier.
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• 1228[14:42:29] <bites> uh, 9
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• 1231[14:42:43] <medfly> :D
• 1232[14:43:27] <abrotman> medfly: there's /bin/sh which should point at a reasonable shell, bash or dash usually
• 1233[14:44:21] <jelly> given bash is an Essential package, 9 seems reasonable
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• 1240[14:45:52] <jelly> ,popcon bash
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• 1242[14:45:53] <judd> Popcon data for bash: inst: 199096, vote: 165238, old: 19619, recent: 14150, nofiles: 89
• 1243[14:46:00] <jelly> ,popcon base-files
• 1244[14:46:01] <judd> Popcon data for base-files: inst: 199135, vote: 165262, old: 19597, recent: 14158, nofiles: 118
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• 1247[14:46:28] <ksk> what is popcorn jelly?
• 1248[14:46:46] <jelly> voluntary inventory service
• 1249[14:46:49] <jelly> !popcon
• 1250[14:46:49] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
• 1251[14:46:50] <ksk> this package-summary debian installs ask about on install? ah okay
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• 1253[14:47:23] <medfly> it's because this command acts differently in dash
• 1254[14:47:25] <medfly> dash -c 'echo "\\100"'
• 1255[14:48:09] <jelly> and what is it supposed to do?
• 1256[14:48:34] <medfly> good question, but it's the test for 'echo behaves as expected' that people have chosen for this
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• 1258[14:48:48] <FinalX> When using Microsoft packages on Debian/Ubuntu, it's at least more likely to have /bin/bash than /bin/sh ... :D
• 1259[14:48:53] <medfly> :D
• 1260[14:48:59] <FinalX> (because they forcibly remove /bin/sh to symlink it to /bin/bash..)
• 1261[14:49:15] <jelly> there's no such thing as Debian/Ubuntu
• 1262[14:49:23] <medfly> read / as "or"
• 1263[14:49:26] <FinalX> ^
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• 1266[14:50:00] <jelly> I'm reading it as "people don't realize two different OS vendors make products that behave in different ways"
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• 1268[14:50:26] <FinalX> I only mentioned one vendor, Microsoft, doing the same thing for both.
• 1269[14:50:37] <FinalX> I only mentioned one vendor, Microsoft, doing the same thing for both OSs.
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• 1271[14:50:46] <jelly> the vendors in question are Debian and Canonical
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• 1273[14:51:05] <ksk> medfly: why not just test if a bash is invokable, and has version <=X, and quit your script otherwise? sounds like religious war otherwise :P
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• 1275[14:51:08] <FinalX> No, Microsoft is the vendor of the software packages. I never said anything about Debian or Ubuntu's vendors doing something stupid.
• 1276[14:51:14] <medfly> ksk: Yeah I should do this
• 1277[14:51:26] <jelly> you've used "Debian/Ubuntu", it's a red flag
• 1278[14:51:48] <Javabean> debian is not ubuntu, ubuntu is not debian*
• 1279[14:51:54] <FinalX> You're misinterpreting, not my fault you're frustrated about people thinking they are the same.
• 1280[14:52:03] <FinalX> And reading it into everything.
• 1281[14:52:06] * ksk goes installing some ubuntu .debs on his debian.
• 1282[14:52:19] <medfly> ksk: TRAITOR
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• 1286[14:52:36] <jelly> might not apply to you, but I see it used in many places that do not actually test both at all
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• 1288[14:53:32] <bites> what microsoft package is that that changes the default shell?
• 1289[14:53:42] <medfly> who knew that a separation implementation diverges over 20 years
• 1290[14:53:57] <jelly> medfly: however, nothing stops you from writing a #! /bin/bash script, there are many in Debian
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• 1292[14:54:54] <medfly> For shame. I'm seeing if I can fix dash!
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• 1296[14:58:34] <jelly> IME it's not worth the troulbe if you're dealing with third party scripts or software
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• 1363[15:40:49] <yokowka> hello everysoul!!!! such unworking in the boot: [10.002633] usb 3-1.5: device later read/64, error - 110 [failed] failed to start raise network interfaces. How to decide this unworking?))))
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• 1369[15:42:57] <ProprietaryFreew> I'm on Debian testing/buster, and I can't make a venv with python3. I get this error: replaced-url
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• 1374[15:45:40] <bites> yokowka: what's the output of ip l and what's inside /etc/network/interfaces please paste to paste.debian.net what happens when you try to raise the network interfaces manually with ifup?
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• 1377[15:47:32] <kcuf> .
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• 1382[15:48:13] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1383[15:48:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1384[15:48:28] <petn-randall> ProprietaryFreew: ^^^ Try this channel, where all the testing/sid users hang out.
• 1385[15:49:06] <petn-randall> yokowka: Please paste the full logs, including at least 20 lines before and after to replaced-url
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• 1393[15:52:09] <ProprietaryFreew> petn-randall: thx
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• 1656[17:47:31] <guru_> any debian for smartphone
• 1657[17:48:00] <shtrb> What type of a smartphone ?
• 1658[17:48:14] <guru_> moto g 3 TE
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• 1661[17:49:14] <shtrb> that does sound like something that can run anything other than it's original firmware, there was a debian for armv4 in the past
• 1662[17:50:18] <shtrb> guru_ , wiki.debian.org/Mobile#Devices
• 1663[17:50:44] <jelly> guru_: sometimes you can put a debian chroot onto an android phone. There is however no device that runs Debian as the native OS and is primarily used as a mobile phone.
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• 1665[17:51:05] <shtrb> jelly, you forgot OpenMoko
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• 1667[17:51:16] <guru_> shtrb, yeah you right but i get bored of android
• 1668[17:51:26] <jelly> shtrb: OpenMoko is not Debian
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• 1670[17:51:50] <guru_> i tried to install kali though
• 1671[17:51:52] <jelly> and is probably not really alive
• 1672[17:52:03] <guru_> but not happened
• 1673[17:52:12] <shtrb> !kali
• 1674[17:52:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1675[17:52:41] <shtrb> jelly, replaced-url
• 1676[17:52:43] <jelly> I'd probably look at postmarketOS, it might be able to make calls by now with some devices
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• 1678[17:53:00] <guru_> dpkg yes i know kali is not supported by debian
• 1679[17:53:01] <dpkg> okay, guru_
• 1680[17:53:18] <greycat> dpkg, forget yes i know kali
• 1681[17:53:19] <dpkg> i forgot yes i know kali, greycat
• 1682[17:53:27] <shtrb> lol
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• 1684[17:53:38] <guru_> haha
• 1685[17:53:47] <mefistofeles> xD
• 1686[17:53:53] <jelly> shtrb: that seems both very old and useless for phoning
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• 1690[17:54:34] <jelly> but sure, maybe you can still find a provider that has a 2G network
• 1691[17:54:46] <guru_> i think some debian for smartphone should be present
• 1692[17:54:57] <guru_> who trust google
• 1693[17:55:33] <shtrb> guru_, I have bad news for you, SS7 and LTE is worse than google
• 1694[17:55:34] <jelly> it's a nice idea, that requires 9 digits of money to be viable
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• 1696[17:56:03] <guru_> shtrb yeah
• 1697[17:56:04] * shtrb searches for some Nigerian prince to help him out
• 1698[17:56:23] <guru_> world is full of spammers...
• 1699[17:56:26] <petn-randall> guru_: You can always run Android on your phone without the proprietary Google bits.
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• 1703[17:56:49] <jelly> keeping just the proprietary hw vendor bits
• 1704[17:56:56] <guru_> petn-randall how
• 1705[17:56:57] <yokowka> petn randal how to make log?
• 1706[17:57:18] <jelly> guru_: an AOSP distro, like Lineage OS
• 1707[17:57:22] <shtrb> jelly, vendor[s] not one vendor
• 1708[17:57:48] <guru_> jelly that is good option
• 1709[17:57:51] <petn-randall> yokowka: petn<tab>
• 1710[17:58:15] <jelly> don't get your panties in a bunch pat'n'rantall
• 1711[17:58:24] <yokowka> petn-randall, how to mke log?
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• 1713[17:58:35] <petn-randall> Chop it out of a tree?
• 1714[17:58:44] <petn-randall> yokowka: I don't know what you're referring to.
• 1715[17:58:56] <jelly> yokowka: we need more details
• 1716[17:59:00] <jelly> !ask
• 1717[17:59:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1720[17:59:25] <yokowka> petn-randall, hello everysoul!!!! such unworking in the boot: [10.002633] usb 3-1.5: device later read/64, error - 110 [failed] failed to start raise network interfaces. How to decide this unworking?))))
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• 1726[18:01:44] <petn-randall> yokowka: Right. Take that output, and all the output around it, and paste it to replaced-url
• 1727[18:02:06] <greycat> I'm guessing he can't paste it because he has no networking
• 1728[18:02:57] <yokowka> petn-randall, i'd love to, but do not know how to get this all information from 5 seconds booting system?
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• 1731[18:03:21] <shtrb> yokowka, can you try using a different port ?
• 1732[18:03:21] <petn-randall> yokowka: Run 'dmesg' as root.
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• 1735[18:03:47] <petn-randall> yokowka: Or run `less /var/log/kern.log` to scroll through the output with a viewer.
• 1736[18:03:48] <yokowka> petn-randall, well do.
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• 1743[18:05:35] <yokowka> petn-randall, here it is replaced-url
• 1744[18:06:10] <petn-randall> yokowka: that ... doesn't show the error you're reporting.
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• 1751[18:07:54] <yokowka> petn-randall, here it is II)))) : replaced-url
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• 1753[18:08:50] <petn-randall> yokowka: I can see your paste. Which line do you have a problem with?
• 1754[18:08:56] <yokowka> shtrb what is the different and also - port?
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• 1757[18:09:39] <shtrb> yokowka, I think your network device is a usb device which is plugged into a USB port, you might try using a different usb port
• 1758[18:09:44] <greycat> I think he meant "try plugging the USB network interface into a different USB port"
• 1759[18:10:13] <shtrb> yeh , that too
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• 1762[18:12:01] <somiaj> is this a wifi device whose predicitable interface name is dependent on what usb port it is plugged into?
• 1763[18:12:33] <shtrb> wan't that change to use the mac address ?
• 1764[18:12:52] <somiaj> I thought it should for usb devices, but the one I see in dmesg isn't using the mac address
• 1765[18:13:27] <somiaj> wlp2s0 is what is in the paste, and it is assoicated with some access point, but unsure about an ip. Maybe the output of ip a would help
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• 1767[18:14:16] <yokowka> petn-randall, 788 757 654 243
• 1768[18:14:58] <shtrb> Is that a teamviewer address ?!
• 1769[18:15:06] <yokowka> shtrb - be bleas, but there is no one devicr plugged in to usb
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• 1771[18:15:15] <shtrb> ok
• 1772[18:15:33] <petn-randall> yokowka: We already talked about the last two entries (654 + 243) the other day.
• 1773[18:15:33] <somiaj> it is a list of line numbers
• 1774[18:15:37] <yokowka> shtrb this is answer to petn-randall
• 1775[18:16:04] <yokowka> petn-randall, yep, and what with 788?
• 1776[18:16:17] <petn-randall> yokowka: I'm sounding like a broken record: Those are purely cosmetic, and if at all, your BIOS vendor needs to fix that.
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• 1778[18:17:15] <yokowka> petn-randall, BIOS updating will helps me?
• 1779[18:17:16] <somiaj> yokowka: I would identify what isn't working as expected, and try to debug that, not just look for errors in dmesg. Is it that your usb wifi device isn't working?
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• 1781[18:18:08] <shtrb> yokowka, does it reboot ? shutdown ?
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• 1783[18:18:50] <Sir_Designer> potrzebujesz sobie skonstruować phase array, jakieś 48 nadajników/emiterów.
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• 1785[18:19:07] <Sir_Designer> masz w końcu działkę, chamie.
• 1786[18:19:07] <yokowka> petn-randall, wi-fi module is on. I talk in net trow that. USB - i do not use now.
• 1787[18:19:10] <shtrb> !klingon
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• 1789[18:19:21] <Sir_Designer> wrong ch, sorry.
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• 1792[18:19:50] <yokowka> shtrb, this is reboot if You about [10.002633] usb 3-1.5: device later read/64, error - 110 [failed] failed to start raise network interfaces.
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• 1795[18:20:38] <shtrb> error -110 normally is either a firmware or a bad cable / port
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• 1797[18:21:00] <somiaj> yokowka: What is your actual problem? dmesg can be full of warnings that may not affect the actual problem.
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• 1801[18:21:45] <yokowka> shtrb - how to make good cable/port?
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• 1803[18:22:10] <shtrb> replace (if that is really the reason)
• 1804[18:22:22] <yokowka> somiaj [10.002633] usb 3-1.5: device later read/64, error - 110 [failed] failed to start raise network interfaces!!!! this is line in booting.
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• 1807[18:22:46] <somiaj> yokowka: that is not a problem. Does your network interface work? Which interface is this, a wifi usb?
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• 1811[18:23:12] <petn-randall> yokowka: AGAIN. What is the user-visible problem? A spooky error message is not a problem.
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• 1813[18:23:37] * petn-randall has a horrible deja-vu.
• 1814[18:23:39] <somiaj> if you look later in dmesg, you clearly see the wifi device is correct assoicating with an AP, and from what I see that means it most likely is working.
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• 1818[18:24:35] <shtrb> yokowka, што дакладная праблема, калі ласка, пішыце на англійскай (using google translate)
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• 1825[18:26:07] <yokowka> shtrb, somiaj petn-randall error message about failed, is my trouble.... if some is failed it must be fixed, I think that!
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• 1827[18:26:36] <petn-randall> yokowka: What are the contents of /etc/network/interfaces?
• 1828[18:27:08] <somiaj> yokowka: Does your wifi device work? I see it is correctly assoiating with an AP, can you share the output of 'ip a' please
• 1829[18:27:13] <yokowka> petn-randall, type your mentioned line in console?
• 1830[18:27:31] <petn-randall> yokowka: `cat /etc/network/interfaces`
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• 1834[18:27:53] <yokowka> somiaj will do, petn-randall will do
• 1835[18:27:55] <shtrb> yokowka, type ip addr in the a konsole application and hit enter
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• 1839[18:29:21] <yokowka> shtrb here replaced-url
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• 1844[18:30:43] <somiaj> yokowka: your wifi device looks like it is working correctly.
• 1845[18:30:50] <somiaj> yokowka: I do not see any problem in any info you have shared.
• 1846[18:30:53] <yokowka> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1849[18:31:40] <yokowka> somiaj, as seen in booting trouble is in usb 3.0....
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• 1852[18:31:58] <yokowka> for my opinion
• 1853[18:31:59] <somiaj> what is the actual problem, and don't say a warning in demsg.
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• 1855[18:32:17] <somiaj> do you have an actual usb device that you have plugged in and is NOT working?
• 1856[18:32:32] <yokowka> let's try
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• 1858[18:32:49] <somiaj> let's try? So you have no actual problem. You should probably ignore dmesg
• 1859[18:32:50] <petn-randall> …
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• 1862[18:33:10] <somiaj> there is a reason windows hides this info from its users, it is really only useful if debugging an actual problem.
• 1863[18:34:00] <petn-randall> I'm sure there are better ways to spend you weekends than picking random log messages, and then constructing a hypothetical problem around it.
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• 1868[18:34:53] <petn-randall> yokowka: What is the output of `systemctl list-units --state=failed`, run as root?
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• 1870[18:35:30] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm normally an Ubuntu guy but I need to run Linux in a VM because I need a newer version of gcc. What's the latest version of gcc supported in debian?
• 1871[18:35:32] <yokowka> petn-randall, for previous message your - not be angry to a newer
• 1872[18:35:56] <shtrb> ,v gcc
• 1873[18:35:57] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.3.0-3; sid: 4:7.3.0-3; experimental: 4:8-20180425-2
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• 1875[18:36:00] <somiaj> Richard_Cavell: debian most likely won't have a newer version of gcc than Ubuntu (here I'm assuming you mean a debian stable release)
• 1876[18:36:02] <shtrb> Richard_Cavell, ^
• 1877[18:36:29] <Drakonis> the default for buster/sid is 7.3
• 1878[18:36:37] <Drakonis> you can also run it inside a container
• 1879[18:36:40] <Drakonis> see nspawn or docker
• 1880[18:36:41] <somiaj> Richard_Cavell: And depending on what you want to compile, you could get away with using a chroot as opposed to a full vm
• 1881[18:36:48] <somiaj> or just debootstrap in a chroot
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• 1883[18:36:54] <Drakonis> by the way, a rare thing has happened, someone bothered to update docker on sid
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• 1885[18:37:07] <Drakonis> its no longer years behind
• 1886[18:37:16] <Drakonis> ,v docker.io
• 1887[18:37:17] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.13.1~ds3-4; experimental: 17.12.1+dfsg-3
• 1888[18:37:18] <yokowka> petn-randall, replaced-url
• 1889[18:37:24] <Drakonis> experimental, rather.
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• 1893[18:37:43] <somiaj> Drakonis: maybe one day docker and node-js will slow down and be something debian could support.
• 1894[18:37:54] <Drakonis> by that timke
• 1895[18:37:55] <Drakonis> time
• 1896[18:38:01] <Drakonis> we'll have something else take its place
• 1897[18:38:03] <somiaj> but it was removed because debian stable's version would fall so far behind it wasn't useful having it in stable.
• 1898[18:38:10] <greycat> Pffff. Might as well expect C++ to stabilize.
• 1899[18:38:20] <Drakonis> ie: podman will nuke docker into oblivion and node.js will disappear in the sea of js frameworks
• 1900[18:38:53] <somiaj> well slow down enough that one could use the forzen version in stable and not need the current version.
• 1901[18:39:00] <petn-randall> yokowka: Seems as though there is a minor problem. Can you show us the output of `journalctl -u networking`?
• 1902[18:39:09] <shtrb> c++ is stable !
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• 1905[18:39:33] <Drakonis> c++ updates every 3 years
• 1906[18:39:43] <greycat> then why are we *still* getting people coming in here saying they need a newer GCC for some new iteration of C++
• 1907[18:39:52] <yokowka> petn-randall, yes do.
• 1908[18:39:55] <Drakonis> because gcc is trash
• 1909[18:39:59] <greycat> that shit should've stopped 15 years ago
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• 1911[18:40:24] <shtrb> greycat, because people wish to play with new compiler features ?
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• 1913[18:40:40] <yokowka> by the way i've try all 4 usb ports by iphone connection - they are works!!!!
• 1914[18:40:55] <Drakonis> gcc has major releases once a year
• 1915[18:40:56] <Drakonis> hooray
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• 1917[18:41:50] <yokowka> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1919[18:43:55] <shtrb> yokowka, did you touch if-up scripts ?
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• 1921[18:44:32] <yokowka> shtrb, i don't know what that is....
• 1922[18:44:49] <yokowka> if-up scripts
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• 1924[18:45:12] <petn-randall> yokowka: Do you have any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/?
• 1925[18:45:55] <yokowka> petn-randall, setup there
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• 1927[18:46:49] <petn-randall> yokowka: Can you show us the contents?
• 1928[18:47:11] <yokowka> auto lo
• 1929[18:47:12] <yokowka> iface lo inet loopback
• 1930[18:47:12] <yokowka> auto eth0
• 1931[18:47:12] <yokowka> iface eth0 inet dhcp
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• 1933[18:47:32] <petn-randall> yokowka: Did you create that file?
• 1934[18:47:38] <yokowka> nop
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• 1937[18:48:04] <yokowka> *nope
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• 1940[18:48:12] <petn-randall> yokowka: What is the filename?
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• 1943[18:48:38] <yokowka> petn-randall, setup is filename
• 1944[18:48:47] <yokowka> 'setup'
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• 1946[18:49:17] <shtrb> file content ...
• 1947[18:49:54] <yokowka> auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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• 1950[18:50:11] <yokowka> one on one other
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• 1952[18:50:25] <yokowka> lines i mean
• 1953[18:50:32] <petn-randall> yokowka: Then delete that file, it's not created by Debian.
• 1954[18:50:39] <petn-randall> yokowka: Where did you install this OS from?
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• 1957[18:52:09] <yokowka> petn-randall, I can't delete file system says. File is for reading only.
• 1958[18:52:22] <petn-randall> yokowka: Use root.
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• 1960[18:53:04] <yokowka> petn-randall, i've installed debian gnome from link of one chater of #debian
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• 1962[18:53:16] <yokowka> send to me
• 1963[18:53:56] <petn-randall> yokowka: Send what now?
• 1964[18:53:57] <yokowka> petn-randall, what is chain of actions to delete setup as root?
• 1965[18:54:16] <petn-randall> yokowka: `sudo rm /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup`
• 1966[18:54:39] <petn-randall> Assuming you have configured sudo. Else it's logging in as root, then running `rm /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup`.
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• 1969[18:56:29] <yokowka> petn-randall, allredy done. now inteface.d - is empty.
• 1970[18:56:45] <petn-randall> yokowka: Now one of your cosmetical problems is gone.
• 1971[18:57:14] <yokowka> petn-randall, be bleas YOU! I'm your owner!!!!
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• 1973[18:57:43] <greycat> something didn't translate well...
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• 1978[18:58:10] <yokowka> petn-randall, rant link me debian.iso and i'd installed)
• 1979[18:58:18] <petn-randall> hahahaha
• 1980[18:58:19] <shtrb> he used chown one too many times ?
• 1981[18:58:34] <petn-randall> yokowka: Slavery was abolished a long time ago, you can't own me.
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• 1983[18:59:10] <shtrb> petn-randall, assume you are a migrant workers who had his passport confiscated
• 1984[18:59:26] <yokowka> petn-randall, how to says. banks all over the planet amoung iceland, iran, north korea)))))
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• 1988[19:00:21] <yokowka> petn-randall, shtrb - heavenno to you both!
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• 1991[19:01:33] <yokowka> petn-randall, that trouble i talded you ago)))) what next with cosmetic problems?))))
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• 1995[19:03:16] <yokowka> shtrb, your question about used chown.... i do not clearly understand it....
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• 1997[19:03:32] <shtrb> It was a pun
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• 2004[19:08:05] <yokowka> shtrb, angry joke?
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• 2006[19:08:37] <shtrb> no, just an word play, chown change ownership on files
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• 2010[19:09:47] <yokowka> well, no my Э.В.М. is not my((((? :)
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• 2012[19:10:00] <yokowka> *well now
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• 2017[19:10:57] <otyugh> Why doesn't the connman package conflict with network manager in apt ? They both will conflict if installed on the same computer, isn't it ?
• 2018[19:11:14] <otyugh> *doesn't
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• 2022[19:11:58] <somiaj> what do you mean by conflict?
• 2023[19:12:02] <jhutchins_wk> otyugh: You can have them both installed, but only one enabled at a time. Also true of wicd.
• 2024[19:12:20] <somiaj> you could also have them manage different interfaces and both running
• 2025[19:12:28] <otyugh> okay
• 2026[19:12:57] <somiaj> that is kinda like asking why doesn't network manger conflict with the /etc/network/interfaces file
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• 2029[19:13:47] <otyugh> Ahm. somiaj any idea what package creat /etc/netork/interfaces ? Always wondered.
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• 2031[19:13:55] <otyugh> (random new question I know)
• 2032[19:14:05] <yokowka> petn-randall, is you here?
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• 2036[19:15:59] <yokowka> shtrb, how to get back ownership on my Э.В.М.?
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• 2038[19:17:08] <shtrb> sudo chown $USER filename
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• 2040[19:17:20] <somiaj> otyugh: /etc/network/interfaces I think is created by the installer. The ifupdown package provides the scripts that read that file, but it isn't a conffile of the ifupdown package
• 2041[19:17:32] <bites> otyugh: the interfaces file is created and used by ifupdown
• 2042[19:17:49] <somiaj> bites: do you see where ifupdown actually creates it?
• 2043[19:18:06] <otyugh> doesn't list down in apt-file
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• 2045[19:18:15] <bites> somiaj: in the postinst script i believe.
• 2046[19:18:18] <yokowka> shtrb, here is the answer: chown: невозможно получить доступ к 'filename': Нет такого файла или каталога
• 2047[19:18:36] <somiaj> yea, I found it in the post install script, it creates the file if it doens't exist
• 2048[19:18:36] <bites> somiaj: i don't know why it's not directly provided by the package.
• 2049[19:18:39] <greycat> LC_ALL=C chown ...
• 2050[19:18:47] <somiaj> but the installer does create its own file too.
• 2051[19:18:52] <yokowka> greycat, you to me?
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• 2053[19:19:17] <greycat> to get the error messages in English
• 2054[19:19:18] <shtrb> yokowka, filename is a place holder for the filename
• 2055[19:19:23] <somiaj> bites: because you don't want updates to the package changing that, and being a conf file is kinda silly, since there isn't a central configuration for that file, and you won't want to accidently replace it with the package version on an upgrade.
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• 2057[19:19:47] <bites> yeah, makes sense.
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• 2062[19:21:41] <yokowka> shtrb, there is : 'chown: can't get access to the filename: no sich file or folder....
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• 2065[19:22:17] <yokowka> shtrb, what is the right command?
• 2066[19:22:42] <shtrb> forget it
• 2067[19:22:55] <greycat> yokowka: what are you trying to do?
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• 2072[19:23:24] <shtrb> <yokowka> shtrb, how to get back ownership on my Э.В.М.?
• 2073[19:23:27] <shtrb> greycat, ^
• 2074[19:23:35] <shtrb> what ever the last part mean
• 2075[19:23:38] <greycat> I have no idea what a thatchar.B.M. is
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• 2077[19:23:48] <yokowka> greycat, deside cosmetic troubles of debian booting.
• 2078[19:23:48] <shtrb> I assume a file
• 2079[19:24:02] <greycat> yokowka: close your eyes while it boots
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• 2083[19:24:26] <shtrb> lol
• 2084[19:24:32] <yokowka> Э.В.М. = Эlectronic Computing Maching
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• 2086[19:25:06] <yokowka> on Rus' yazyk
• 2087[19:25:14] <shtrb> What is 3Lectronic ?
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• 2091[19:26:00] <yokowka> Э = both letters A+E in Rus' yazyk
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• 2094[19:26:34] <yokowka> Э лектроника = Electronic
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• 2099[19:27:36] <shtrb> æ ?
• 2100[19:27:44] <yokowka> greycat, closing eyes not new proposing)))) petn-randall says so))))
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• 2104[19:29:00] <yokowka> shtrb, æ = ИЖА, not Э, сlosely to ia
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• 2106[19:29:18] <yokowka> but Э is ae
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• 2108[19:30:48] <yokowka> i am only one here now?
• 2109[19:31:05] <greycat> We're still here.
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• 2111[19:31:35] <bites> busy learning russian.
• 2112[19:32:03] <yokowka> so what to do with that replaced-url
• 2113[19:32:26] <yokowka> bites - not the badest learning.
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• 2116[19:33:06] <bites> yokowka: i thought you fixed that already. what happens if you run systemctl restart networking? it should run without problems now.
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• 2118[19:33:52] <yokowka> bites now i try? and later told you. promisse!
• 2119[19:33:59] <yokowka> so wide!
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• 2123[19:34:15] <bites> bye weird russian friend.
• 2124[19:34:19] <somiaj> You really need to reboot to test that, the networking service isn't relaly designed to be restarted.
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• 2129[19:35:23] <shtrb> or to reload services (fancy systemd`)
• 2130[19:35:33] <bites> it just brings up all with ifupdown configured interfaces, which he shouldn't have any now. he wanted a cosmetic fix. ^^
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• 2133[19:36:32] <yokowka> heavenno to you!!!!
• 2134[19:37:02] <yokowka> now booting with no failed)))) only two cosmetic errors....
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• 2138[19:37:38] <yokowka> how to restle them?))))
• 2139[19:37:54] <shtrb> What now ?
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• 2141[19:38:25] <yokowka> shtrb, how to see booting errors when boots is over?
• 2142[19:38:38] <yokowka> *boot is over
• 2143[19:39:08] <greycat> Lots of ways -- dmesg, journalctl, less /var/log/syslog, etc.
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• 2146[19:40:49] <yokowka> greycat see you self replaced-url
• 2147[19:41:05] <yokowka> i mean shtrb
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• 2149[19:41:26] <yokowka> greycat - heavenno to you
• 2150[19:41:28] <shtrb> I do not see any "errors" there
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• 2154[19:42:47] <yokowka> there are two errors when booting for paste here i used les\var....etc. what correctly comand helps me to show you booting cosmetic errors?
• 2155[19:43:05] <yokowka> shtrb?
• 2156[19:43:08] <greycat> If you can't even find the message, then it's not very important.
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• 2158[19:44:06] <yokowka> greycat been smarter to make desigions for cosmetic error!
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• 2160[19:44:40] <greycat> If cosmetic is important to you, run Mac OS.
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• 2164[19:45:10] <yokowka> greycat, why you use f word?))))
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• 2166[19:45:42] <shtrb> the f word is for find ?!
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• 2168[19:47:17] <yokowka> Mac a = Matsa jews - jaws food! That's why it is Mac OS to me - f... word!
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• 2171[19:48:13] <greycat> If you choose Linux, then you choose something that gives you ugly, often unnecessary, detail. Sometimes that detail will be critical to fixing an actual problem. When it isn't, you just ignore it.
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• 2173[19:48:28] <greycat> If you care about cosmetics, you're in the wrong place.
• 2174[19:48:40] <yokowka> i do not take something that thakes before me someone, esspecially food - apples for example!
• 2175[19:49:15] <yokowka> so greycat i can ignored that.....
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• 2180[19:50:21] <shtrb> There was an option to hide boot message
• 2181[19:50:36] <Drakonis> remove quiet
• 2182[19:50:48] <yokowka> shtrb, interesting. go on!
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• 2185[19:51:57] <Mot0Kus4n> Hey,anytime i start my debian by wifi i get ip by dhcp i have to do #dhclient -r to start to navigate
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• 2187[19:52:13] <Mot0Kus4n> via eth0 no problem :/
• 2188[19:52:36] <greycat> Most boot messages *are* hidden by default in Debian.
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• 2191[19:53:07] <greycat> grep quiet /etc/default/grub
• 2192[19:53:18] <yokowka> greycat not quite that
• 2193[19:53:19] <shtrb> greycat, I remember there was an option to leave just a logo during boot
• 2194[19:53:43] <yokowka> shtrb very interesting!!!!
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• 2196[19:54:36] <yokowka> grey cat this comand will help grep quiet /etc/default/grub?
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• 2199[19:55:05] <greycat> It shows you that in a normal Debian installation, GRUB passes the "quiet" parameter to the kernel. Which suppresses most of the kernel's boot messages.
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• 2203[19:56:32] <yokowka> shtrb, what do you think 'grep quiet /etc/default/grub' will be shown only logo when debian is booting on? that comand you mean?
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• 2205[19:56:47] <shtrb> no
• 2206[19:57:00] <somiaj> They use to call that a splash screen
• 2207[19:57:11] <shtrb> yes
• 2208[19:57:15] <shtrb> I forgot the name
• 2209[19:57:32] <somiaj> but with efi and kms drivers, unsure what is the prefered method to get a logo on boot. quiet just supresses most stuff and you leaves you at either a login console or display manager
• 2210[19:57:38] <yokowka> shtrb, can find needed comand?
• 2211[19:57:54] <shtrb> somaij says it's not workable , sorry
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• 2213[19:58:53] <yokowka> shtrb, quite pretty!!!! greycat 'grep quiet /etc/default/grub' makes me more comfort?
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• 2219[20:00:14] <yokowka> somiaj, heavenno to you! so splash i have in ubuntu, and three minutes of black screen.....
• 2220[20:00:17] <jelly> plymouth
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• 2222[20:00:32] <jelly> ,i plymouth
• 2223[20:00:33] <LtL> yokowka: all that command does it tell you if the word 'quiet' is in that file.
• 2224[20:00:33] <judd> Package plymouth (misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer. Version: 0.9.2-4; Size: 114.8k; Installed: 450k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2228[20:02:47] <yokowka> who can answer 'grep quiet /etc/default/grub' will more comfort booting, while greycat not answer question that!?
• 2229[20:03:01] <shtrb> no, it will not change a thing
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• 2233[20:03:17] <greycat> It only SHOWS you something. It does not CHANGE anything.
• 2234[20:03:26] <yokowka> shtrb, but beter try?
• 2235[20:03:31] <yokowka> or do?
• 2236[20:03:37] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep quiet /etc/default/grub
• 2237[20:03:37] <greycat> #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
• 2238[20:03:43] <LtL> yokowka: all that command does it tell you if the word 'quiet' is in that file. and it should be IF you want init messages suppressed
• 2239[20:03:50] <greycat> On mine, it's commented out, because I didn't WANT it to be quiet.
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• 2247[20:06:22] <yokowka> greycat, so shall i don't see something needed to see warning or etc if make 'grep quiet /etc/default/grub'?
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• 2250[20:06:40] <yokowka> while booting....
• 2251[20:07:09] <yokowka> mistackes i misse?
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• 2254[20:07:29] <yokowka> important
• 2255[20:07:45] <bites> just forget about that command. take a look at plymouth.
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• 2257[20:08:39] <yokowka> LtL, jelly, blease you!
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• 2261[20:10:06] <greycat> Again, grep only SHOWS you information. It does not CHANGE things.
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• 2265[20:10:12] <greycat> It's like cat.
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• 2267[20:10:58] <yokowka> greycat, )))) bites, plymouth - very good looks
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• 2286[20:17:03] <donkey_boy> i am so angry
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• 2299[20:20:30] <yokowka> bites, how to installed plymouth? the link is not works(
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• 2301[20:20:51] <yokowka> replaced-url
• 2302[20:21:57] <greycat> !plumouth
• 2303[20:21:59] <bites> yokowka: it's a debian package. you will then need to configure it. replaced-url
• 2304[20:21:59] <greycat> !plymouth
• 2305[20:22:04] <greycat> gaaahhhh
• 2306[20:22:07] <LtL> yokowka: apt install plymouth
• 2307[20:22:19] <greycat> Fine, just use bites's abridged version.
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• 2310[20:22:59] <bites> just installing it will not be enough if you want graphics during boot.
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• 2316[20:24:52] <yokowka> bites, greycat comand of LtL easyest.... for my 'onion' opinion))))
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• 2321[20:25:40] <farfadet> Hello everybody out there!
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• 2326[20:25:51] <donkey_boy> farfadet: get out of here you foolish gay infidel
• 2327[20:25:57] <yokowka> farfadet, heavenno there!!!!
• 2328[20:26:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
• 2329[20:26:05] <yokowka> everysoul
• 2330[20:26:12] *** greycat sets mode: +q *!*@dsl-hkibng32-54fb54-126.dhcp.inet.fi
• 2331[20:26:27] *** greycat sets mode: -o greycat
• 2332[20:26:39] <farfadet> Thanks @yokowka
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• 2334[20:26:58] <yokowka> farfadet, not for....
• 2335[20:27:10] <farfadet> @donkey_boy: I do not know, thanks?
• 2336[20:27:18] <LtL> yokowka: you will need to configure plymouth, most likely.
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• 2340[20:28:08] <farfadet> I am a Debian user, for several years, but my apologies:
• 2341[20:28:36] <farfadet> I came here just to ensure I can connect to Freenode, because I am having some troubles on #nouveau.
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• 2343[20:29:26] <farfadet> Well, the test is positive: I can connect to Freenode, so the problem is probably with #nouveau.
• 2344[20:29:34] <farfadet> Thank you and sorry for the noise.
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• 2349[20:31:04] <yokowka> LtL, now i'm trow tutorial making instalation. How to save editing file, which opened for read only?
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• 2351[20:31:26] <greycat> You don't.
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• 2353[20:31:51] <greycat> You either write the contents to a temp file somewhere so you can read it back in later, or you simply discard changes and start over.
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• 2355[20:32:15] <greycat> Then you EXIT the editor, restart the editor AS ROOT, and then redo the changes.
• 2356[20:32:54] <yokowka> greycat how to restart editor as root?
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• 2358[20:33:40] <greycat> Depends on whether you're an sudo user or an su user.
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• 2360[20:33:54] <greycat> Either "sudo myeditor myfile", or "su" and then "myeditor myfile".
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• 2362[20:34:11] <greycat> Or in other words, "Same way you do anything as root."
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• 2372[20:36:58] <yokowka> greycat, i've opened text file, and when after editing tryin save it - dyan da lyan (*china)
• 2373[20:37:28] <greycat> Which editor?
• 2374[20:38:08] <yokowka> greycat, file with text named /etc/initramfs-tools
• 2375[20:38:24] <greycat> I didn't ask what file you're editing. I asked which editor you're using.
• 2376[20:38:41] <yokowka> greycat, standard debian
• 2377[20:38:55] <greycat> ... no, I quit. I'm done. I can't take any more of this. *plonk*
• 2378[20:39:21] <greycat> There are about a hundred different text editors in the world. Probably half a dozen are popular.
• 2379[20:39:25] <yokowka> textpad probably
• 2380[20:39:38] <greycat> There's nano, emacs, vim, joe, jed, ....
• 2381[20:39:50] <LtL> yokowka: no editor by that name. what did you type? you didnt use a GUI app did you?
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• 2383[20:39:59] <bites> close your editor, open it again as root user or with sudo.
• 2384[20:40:16] <greycat> I heard a rumor once that someone made an X11 client that claims to be a text editor. But that can't possibly be right. Nobody would ever use an X11 text editor, especially since you can't run it as root.
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• 2386[20:41:06] <yokowka> greycat, you is right - text editor!
• 2387[20:41:56] <bites> ,i gksu
• 2388[20:41:57] <judd> Package gksu (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: graphical front-end to su and sudo. Version: 2.0.2-9+b1; Size: 71.0k; Installed: 289k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2390[20:42:07] <bites> hmm... is that still used? i don't even know.
• 2391[20:42:11] <yokowka> LtL, Configuration Edit the file /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add the modesetting for your graphics card: For Intel: # KMS intel_agp drm i915 modeset=1
• 2392[20:42:24] <yokowka> this from tutorial
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• 2394[20:42:53] <greycat> If you are a Debian user, you MUST learn at least one terminal-based text editor. Even if it's just nano. MUST learn. This is not optional.
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• 2396[20:43:08] <greycat> Then you can do "sudo nano /etc/whatever/file" and be happy.
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• 2398[20:43:20] <LtL> yokowka: i didn't ask for that information, it seemed you were stuck in a editor.
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• 2400[20:43:42] <yokowka> greycat, heavenno blease you!
• 2401[20:43:58] <yokowka> LtL, true!
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• 2424[20:51:05] <yokowka> LtL, in tutorial for jeezy wheezy, for stretch there is no such instruction, ' apt install plymouth' will help?
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• 2456[21:04:29] <AliceKelly> hello
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• 2463[21:07:47] <Mot0Kus4n> hi there
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• 2466[21:08:27] <LtL> yokowka: i have never used plymouth, you probably want themes also. apt should have recommended it. plymouth-themes after that you are on your own.
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• 2470[21:11:29] <yokowka> LtL, how to install the plymouth-themes package?
• 2471[21:11:57] <LtL> yokowka: apt install plymouth plymouth-themes
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• 2473[21:12:24] <LtL> yokowka: think twice before you do this
• 2474[21:12:25] <yokowka> LtL, heavenno blease You!
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• 2482[21:16:28] <yokowka> brothers - heavenno blease You all!!!! watch you later!!!! beter to You!!!!
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• 2499[21:36:05] <SwK> can anyone point me in the right direction for setting some additional static routes in preseed file for additional routes required during the install? (not worried about routes after the post install reboot thats easy enough to handle)
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• 2607[22:42:20] <costello_> Is there any idea when qt5.11 is coming to unstable?
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• 2609[22:42:35] <greycat> if #debian-next doesn't know, then we certainly don't
• 2610[22:42:54] <costello_> haven't asked there yet..
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• 2613[22:44:02] <annadane> (on irc.oftc.net, not freenode)
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• 2627[22:50:34] <jgkamat> 5.11 has a lot of bugs, so I'd hope they wait for at least a bugfix release
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• 2630[22:52:07] <annadane> even then #debian-next may not even know, i still don't really know the answer to "when will x be in unstable"
• 2631[22:52:17] <annadane> the obvious answer is ask the maintainer but that's arguably rude
• 2632[22:52:34] <annadane> the next obvious answer is "if you want it in unstable quicker, volunteer"
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• 2641[22:57:31] <gunix> where do you see who created this package: replaced-url
• 2642[22:59:09] <annadane> packages generally have a copyright file, i believe
• 2643[22:59:28] <annadane> in this case it doesn't list the creators, though
• 2644[22:59:37] <annadane> oh it does
• 2645[22:59:40] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2646[23:00:01] <annadane> (on the sidebar, on the right)
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• 2648[23:00:35] <gunix> yea, maintainers, i saw it
• 2649[23:01:04] <annadane> maintainers isn't necessarily creators, though
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• 2657[23:02:58] <gunix> hmm, yea
• 2658[23:03:13] <gunix> annadane: any idea why the packages on sid are not always the latest from upstream?
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• 2662[23:03:34] <gunix> i mean, can't maintainers do some CI infra that repackages the software everytime upstream puts a new version out ?
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• 2667[23:04:21] <annadane> i don't know about the technical side, my guess is it's sufficiently complicated to not be fully automatable
• 2668[23:04:31] <annadane> really not my area
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• 2670[23:05:10] <greycat> because packaging by a robot would be of utterly shitty quality and then you might as well be running like Gentoo or something
• 2671[23:05:33] <kittonian> hi all. I am trying to get the new calendarserver 9 running on my wheezy machine and have seemingly solved almost every installed issue thus far, but when it tries to install cryptography it is failing on openssl errors. I have libssl-dev installed and pip installed cryptography without issue
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• 2673[23:05:46] <annadane> and, right, what greycat said
• 2674[23:06:37] <brontosaurusrex> Any clean ways to upgrade libfreetype6 ? (Stretch)
• 2675[23:06:46] <gunix> greycat: why would it be utterly shitty quality ?
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• 2677[23:07:12] <gunix> in most cases, when it's just a bug fix and not a major version change, you probably just need to add the new binary
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• 2680[23:07:57] <greycat> If the package maintainer decides that the new upstream is just a bug fix release with no feature/API/ABI changes then packaging it can be done very quickly.
• 2681[23:08:13] <annadane> brontosaurusrex, are you familiar with how debian stable works? packages are frozen except security fixes and occasional bug fixes
• 2682[23:08:24] <annadane> if there is an update, you can apt install libfreetype6
• 2683[23:08:34] <greycat> ,v libfreetype6
• 2684[23:08:35] <judd> Package: libfreetype6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.4.9-1.1+deb7u7; jessie: 2.5.2-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.5.2-3+deb8u2; stretch: 2.6.3-3.2; buster: 2.8.1-2; sid: 2.8.1-2
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• 2687[23:09:04] <greycat> there doesn't appear to be a stretch-security or a stretch-backports for it
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• 2689[23:09:51] <gunix> greycat: check that vagrant for example. 2.0.2 is 6 months old
• 2690[23:09:51] <annadane> or just apt upgrade to upgrade all packages
• 2691[23:10:11] <greycat> so it's still fresh out of the womb and dripping with placental fluid
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• 2693[23:10:20] <brontosaurusrex> Or somebody backported it to make me happy.
• 2694[23:10:22] <greycat> whatever a "vagrant" is
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• 2696[23:10:46] <annadane> brontosaurusrex, try one of these solutions replaced-url
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• 2700[23:12:22] <bites> upstream provides debian packages if you need the latest and greatest vagrant. when it gets updated in debian is up to the maintainer.
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• 2706[23:13:35] <gunix> bites: it was just an example, the main question was if CI could be set up in order to speed up the packaging process for sid
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• 2708[23:13:48] <gunix> bites: or ... better put ... if CI in this scope would be a good idea
• 2709[23:13:57] <bites> i'm sure it could, i doubt it would.
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• 2727[23:23:58] <brontosaurusrex> annadane: That actually did a trick
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• 2729[23:24:26] <brontosaurusrex> I mean, i upgraded libfreetype, but the silly app still won't run ...
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• 2731[23:24:55] <annadane> have you tried running "the app" (which app?) in a terminal and seeing what the output is?
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• 2733[23:25:08] <brontosaurusrex> App is called kitty
• 2734[23:25:24] <brontosaurusrex> replaced-url
• 2735[23:25:32] <annadane> which is packaged for debian, so just try invoking it from the terminal
• 2736[23:25:34] <annadane> ,v kitty
• 2737[23:25:36] <judd> Package: kitty on amd64 -- buster: 0.9.0-1; sid: 0.9.0-1
• 2738[23:25:38] <annadane> oh.
• 2739[23:25:44] <brontosaurusrex> oh
• 2740[23:26:40] <annadane> still, according to the link it should install in .local
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• 2746[23:31:44] <brontosaurusrex> getting a useless error: [169 23:21:59.654064] Unknown uniform in cursor program: _main_pos_map_0[0]
• 2747[23:31:51] <brontosaurusrex> Well, useless for me.
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• 2752[23:32:44] <brontosaurusrex> well, thanks, will bother the dev a bit more.
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