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• 45[00:30:27] <negatratoron> how do you deselect a package so that it is not explicitly installed, without removing it?
• 46[00:30:49] <negatratoron> e.g. in "apt list --installed" how do you change its state from [installed] to [installed,automatic]?
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• 48[00:33:18] <abrotman> !unmarkauto
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• 50[00:33:18] <dpkg> Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
• 51[00:33:30] <abrotman> or vice versa
• 52[00:34:32] <negatratoron> unmarkauto isn't an apt command, it's an aptitude command...
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• 54[00:35:24] <negatratoron> ah, `apt-mark auto`
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• 61[00:38:54] <DIRT> is gallium 9 packaged in mesa for debian? i want to use dx9 pass through for wine
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• 63[00:39:13] <DIRT> some distros remove it
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• 66[00:39:45] <negatratoron> hm, i seem to have circular dependencies between automatic packages and `apt autoremove` won't remove them
• 67[00:39:52] <negatratoron> i'm working on a bash script to help prove it
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• 73[00:42:09] <DIRT> nvm. found it
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• 80[00:44:16] <negatratoron> nvm, there's another explanation other than circular dependencies between automatic packages
• 81[00:44:20] <somiaj> DIRT: with stretch it was more it was still experimential at the time of the release and not included due to that. I'm unsure if it will be included with buster or not.
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• 87[00:44:58] <jim> DIRT, you can find stuff using apt-cache search (put terms here)
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• 90[00:46:03] <somiaj> in this case that most likely won't work, gallium 9 is an extension of mesa, and not its own package.
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• 92[00:46:39] <DIRT> yeah. what i found you have to compile it to use it in debian. but mesa is an important part of the system so im not doing that
• 93[00:46:40] <somiaj> DIRT: replaced-url
• 94[00:46:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 96[00:47:05] <jim> somiaj, oh? what package is it in?
• 97[00:47:14] <somiaj> jim: mesa
• 98[00:47:15] <DIRT> hope it gets in
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• 100[00:47:47] <DIRT> i been using wine-nine for a few years, no real issues just faster dx9
• 101[00:48:01] <somiaj> still kinda a nitch market who use it, and debian may be cautious and not enable it due to the large majoirty won't use it, and it could cause unexpected problems.
• 102[00:48:30] <somiaj> sure, but debian suports such a wide variety of archetictures and hardware, it is hard to know what the full impact would be in the debian echosystem.
• 103[00:48:43] <DIRT> yeah i woulndt use it for the default wine install. but having it as an option would be nice
• 104[00:48:59] <DIRT> two different packages
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• 106[00:49:29] <jim> I just did this... "apt-cache search allium", misspelled as you can see... and I got two packages: mesa-va-drivers and mesa-vdpau-drivers
• 107[00:49:55] <DIRT> i wouldn't expect it on anything other than x86 and 64 bit
• 108[00:50:13] <DIRT> allium? lol
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• 110[00:50:31] <jim> yeah I'm running 64 bit
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• 113[00:50:55] <DIRT> what do the va drivers do?
• 114[00:50:58] <jim> yeah, my key pressing was challenged...
• 115[00:51:15] <jim> no idea
• 116[00:51:24] <somiaj> note these won't give you gallium 9, look at 'apt show packagename' and you'll see This package enables support for VA-API for some gallium drivers.
• 117[00:51:48] <DIRT> some people use the obiaf ppa on debian testing
• 118[00:52:02] <DIRT> oibaf
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• 121[00:52:42] <DIRT> ubuntu doesnt have it either but there is several ppa options
• 122[00:54:00] <DIRT> arch just has it
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• 128[00:56:09] <DIRT> another question. Is there any debian live iso that have nonfree firmwares for things like wifi?
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• 131[00:56:55] <DIRT> i see there is a nonfree release but it didnt have the firmware i needed. it just had the repo enabled
• 132[00:58:11] <DIRT> lol nvm
• 133[00:58:36] <DIRT> it does have firmware just not what i need.
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• 135[00:59:37] <DIRT> replaced-url
• 136[00:59:44] <DIRT> good documentation
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• 196[01:45:29] <taoiseach> I know sometimes debian is just as good
• 197[01:47:06] <taoiseach> Gg
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• 200[01:49:04] <taoiseach> lol amerikkka
• 201[01:49:18] <taoiseach> Gerald clemens
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• 211[01:56:28] <abrotman> taoiseach: do you need help with Debian?
• 212[01:56:50] <RoyK> taoiseach: replaced-url
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• 214[01:57:10] <taoiseach> I am a big fan of Debian....here to offer support...still learning a bit myself
• 215[01:57:21] <taoiseach> will ask
• 216[01:57:35] <taoiseach> Big fan of fedora
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• 218[01:58:06] <abrotman> ?
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• 225[01:59:49] <michael2> taoiseach: does anyone know how to find out what font urxvt has loaded?
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• 232[02:02:24] <expert975> Where can I find an install image that does not come with a Desktop Environment?
• 233[02:02:37] <michael2> expert975: netinstaller
• 234[02:03:03] <expert975> michael2: What comes with it?
• 235[02:03:21] <taoiseach> @michael2 not sure
• 236[02:03:23] <michael2> base install + tasksel standard system utilities
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• 239[02:03:49] <abrotman> expert975: any can do that, or any can install a DE
• 240[02:04:08] <expert975> michael2: Do I need internet connection to use netinstall?
• 241[02:04:23] <michael2> abrotman: yeah but youll have to download a bunch of redundant data if you download full installer
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• 243[02:04:30] <michael2> expert975: no
• 244[02:04:50] <expert975> michael2: That's great. Thanks
• 245[02:05:00] <michael2> expert975: you'll have a super minimal install though
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• 247[02:05:16] <expert975> michael2: Arch-like?
• 248[02:05:42] <michael2> expert975: put it this way, the install is so minimal you won't have man pages...
• 249[02:05:57] <expert975> michael2: Oh
• 250[02:06:03] <abrotman> michael2: not really
• 251[02:06:15] <abrotman> it's still install whatever you like
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• 254[02:06:58] <abrotman> more to the point, if expert975 already has one installer, no point in downloading another
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• 256[02:07:06] <Ouroboros> the minimal install is still something like 2GB?
• 257[02:07:11] <expert975> michael2: Seems educational. I'll give it a try
• 258[02:07:30] <michael2> Ouroboros: yeah the final install will take about 2G on disk
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• 260[02:08:14] <michael2> abrotman: if they have installer already sure, no point in downloading another
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• 265[02:09:40] <michael2> if I want to setup a collection of log files in $HOME, can anyone recommend where I should place those files?
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• 269[02:10:14] <Ouroboros> in $HOME, probably
• 270[02:10:26] <michael2> expert975: yeah, its a good way to learn. if have questions people in here can help
• 271[02:11:07] <michael2> Ouroboros: thinking more along the lines of the freedesktop specification
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• 273[02:11:27] <abrotman> uh, ~/log/ ?
• 274[02:11:38] <expert975> michael2: Does the installer support full disk encryption?
• 275[02:11:47] <michael2> expert975: yes
• 276[02:11:47] <abrotman> dpkg: tell expert975 about ig
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• 279[02:12:37] <Ouroboros> expert975: not for /boot, but it can be done with some manual changes
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• 286[02:14:33] <Ouroboros> expert975: you always have a shell available during the install, so you can change many things
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• 293[02:18:19] <michael2> Ouroboros: why would someone want to encrypt /boot? its just the kernel image and initrd?
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• 296[02:19:22] <expert975> michael2, Ouroboros: That's what I was wondering...
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• 298[02:19:48] <padomay> Hi guys, i need help
• 299[02:19:52] <Ouroboros> well, if the encryption was authenticated, then it would prevent tampering
• 300[02:20:12] <padomay> Debian isn't taking any input
• 301[02:20:42] <Ouroboros> but luks1 does not have authentication, and i have not yet read how the authentication in luks2 works, but grub does not support luks2 anyway
• 302[02:20:43] <padomay> And it's still in the very first login menu
• 303[02:20:49] <padomay> What should i do?
• 304[02:21:35] <expert975> padomay: are you able to toggle the capslock LED by pressing the capslock button??
• 305[02:21:44] <padomay> Nope
• 306[02:21:51] <padomay> Exactly nothing
• 307[02:21:57] <Ouroboros> expert975: not sure that is a good test
• 308[02:21:57] <expert975> padomay: then the system is probably frozen
• 309[02:22:07] <Ouroboros> expert975: e.g. on mine it does not work for some reason
• 310[02:22:18] <padomay> The keybord worms on grub but when debian is running it freezes
• 311[02:22:40] <padomay> Is there anything i can do?
• 312[02:22:53] <padomay> Keybord works on*
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• 314[02:23:49] <padomay_> Wow i crushed on the irc also lol
• 315[02:23:59] <Ouroboros> michael2, expert975: but yes, you do not need encryption, only authentication
• 316[02:24:06] <michael2> Ouroboros: good point - I hadn't thought of that
• 317[02:24:42] <Ouroboros> and also, i am not 100% certain that the debian installer does *not* support encrypted /boot, i have not personally tried it
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• 320[02:25:14] <eraserpencil> is this the right channel to be querying about patching bugs at bugs.debiian.org?
• 321[02:25:28] <Ouroboros> it is just a matter of generating the right grub stuff, so it may well support it by default
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• 324[02:27:13] <somiaj> eraserpencil: there maybe better, if you have a patch, you can just submit it to the bug report on the bts.
• 325[02:27:17] <Ouroboros> also, do not ask me how this works with uefi, if you can get it to work
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• 333[02:29:34] <somiaj> eraserpencil: but if you ahve a question about how debian deals with this, please elobrate on what info you are seeking
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• 340[02:34:02] <eraserpencil> somiaj, do you mean asking on the bug page?
• 341[02:34:48] <rpifan> so my machine has decided randomly today that i no longer have an audio card
• 342[02:34:52] <rpifan> just like out of hte blue no audio
• 343[02:34:55] <rpifan> only dummy output
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• 347[02:36:13] <farruinn> Can I use the same exact size argument for resize2fs and lvreduce?
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• 349[02:36:35] <somiaj> eraserpencil: well I guess I'm not sure what you are wanting. If you have a patch to a bug, you can attach it to the bug report, or create one and attach the patch. But maybe you are looking for something else.
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• 353[02:40:51] <eraserpencil> somiaj: Keen to dip my toes into helping to fix bugs, but not sure if im doing the right thing, so was looking for a channel where I could clarify the normal practice and if im doing the right thing.
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• 355[02:42:21] <somiaj> eraserpencil: there are various ways, often it is with the software you are familar with and the testing/unstable versions. But one thing to do is if you find a bug you think you can fix, you can make a patch and submit the patch via the BTS, and then the matainer will send it upstream (if appropriate)
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• 357[02:42:42] <somiaj> eraserpencil: since there are lots of difference bugs (from packaging bugs to upstream bugs) it is hard to classify a single method that works best.
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• 366[02:47:33] <tafryn> What do I need to do to use tmux in a systemd
• 367[02:47:35] <tafryn> unit file?
• 368[02:47:46] <eraserpencil> okay! shall give it a try
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• 372[02:48:22] <somiaj> eraserpencil: replaced-url
• 373[02:48:32] <tafryn> I get (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) every time.
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• 376[02:50:48] <tomboy65> debian is driving me nuts. i used to have a package installed (i2p). i removed it, removed dependencies via autoremove. but now apt-get install i2p cannot find it anymore. i'm using debian buster.
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• 378[02:51:04] <somiaj> ,v i2p
• 379[02:51:05] <judd> Package: i2p on amd64 -- sid: 0.9.32-2; sid: 0.9.34-1
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• 381[02:51:14] <somiaj> tomboy65: that is because i2p is only in sid, and not buster.
• 382[02:51:25] <farruinn> ,v i2pd
• 383[02:51:26] <judd> Package: i2pd on amd64 -- buster: 2.18.0-1+b1; sid: 2.18.0-1+b1
• 384[02:51:27] <tomboy65> uhhhhhhhhh
• 385[02:51:45] <tomboy65> then how did i get it installed before? -.-
• 386[02:51:53] <somiaj> tomboy65: replaced-url
• 387[02:51:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 389[02:52:04] <somiaj> tomboy65: it was removed, due to using a version of openjdk not in buster, buster only has 10 now
• 390[02:52:19] <tomboy65> niceeeee
• 391[02:52:22] <tomboy65> -.-
• 392[02:53:12] <annadane> tomboy65, packages are sometimes removed from testing for various reasons
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• 394[02:53:31] <tomboy65> yeah, i get that. contemplating on what to do now
• 395[02:53:38] <somiaj> seems you'll have to wait for the package to depend on openjdk 10. You can install it from sid (and openjdk 9 from sid) if you want, but openjdk 9 is at end of life, so ymmv
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• 397[02:53:52] <annadane> some people do run mixed testing/sid systems
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• 399[02:54:00] <tomboy65> oh, if that's possible i wouldn't mind
• 400[02:54:15] <annadane> replaced-url
• 401[02:54:59] <tomboy65> what's more recent: testing or unstable?
• 402[02:55:06] <annadane> unstable is more recent
• 403[02:55:13] <somiaj> tomboy65: unstable is the first places packages enter debian
• 404[02:55:33] <somiaj> tomboy65: they then migrate to testing if they meet certain conditions
• 405[02:55:48] * tomboy65 bows
• 406[02:56:03] <tomboy65> thanks, you guys made my day. let's see if i can get **** working again
• 407[02:56:53] <annadane> i run pure unstable myself but not everyone wants that
• 408[02:57:44] <tomboy65> i cannot do that, as i'm using a custom hack-version of debian for a dev-board that's working as my nas/homeserver now.
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• 410[02:58:10] <somiaj> in general we only support debian proper here, so custom hack-versions aren't really supported.
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• 414[02:58:37] <tomboy65> i don't even want to imagine what would happen with my drivers if i switched to debian testing
• 415[02:58:44] <tomboy65> yeah, figured.
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• 417[02:59:09] <somiaj> so you aren't running debian testing?
• 418[02:59:17] <tomboy65> is unstable always called sid? i think i remember something like that
• 419[02:59:21] <annadane> correct
• 420[02:59:33] <somiaj> yup, sid is the kid that breaks things, it is quite fitting
• 421[02:59:39] <tomboy65> it's debian buster, with linaro stuff sprinkled in, mostly for driver stuff.
• 422[02:59:46] <annadane> hey i linked to the debian reference, which reminds me i should READ the damn thing...
• 423[02:59:52] <annadane> buster = current testing
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• 425[03:00:22] <somiaj> but as mentioned policy here is not support systems which mix things, you are kinda on your own when you do that.
• 426[03:02:33] <tomboy65> :D wouldn't want it any other way
• 427[03:02:33] <abrotman> What if I'm mixing potato and sid?
• 428[03:02:43] <tomboy65> i break it, i get to keep the trash
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• 449[03:11:37] <jsync> Can I attach a command to a symlink?
• 450[03:11:54] <somiaj> jsync: what do you mean by that? Point a symlink at an executable? yes you can.
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• 452[03:12:13] <jsync> Like, if the symlink attached to a file folder location, can I attach a command of "mono OpenSim.exe", etc.?
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• 457[03:14:29] <jsync> (I'm tired of repetitous, "navigate to file path location & type command". I'd like to make a simple executable for a server software.)
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• 459[03:15:47] <tomboy65> create a file mysim, enter 'mono OpenSim.exe' (without '), then run `chmod u+x mysim` - et voilà, you have a rudimentary batch file.
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• 461[03:16:36] <tomboy65> if you need to change directories, put `cd /bla/directory/bla/another directory/` before and `cd -` after, so it returns to the previous directory after you're done
• 462[03:17:00] <tomboy65> (always without the ` - they are just to signify stuff you gotta type)
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• 469[03:17:58] <abrotman> jsync: you can use a shell alias
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• 472[03:20:07] <jsync> tomboy65, all on the same line?
• 473[03:20:43] <tomboy65> jsync: no, 3 lines. it's 3 commands.
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• 478[03:21:27] <jsync> So, cd to directory is 1 line. Then mono OpenSim.exe is the 2nd line?
• 479[03:21:45] <tomboy65> also, if you have spaces in your directories, put them in "" - e.g. cd "/bla/directory/bla/another directory/"
• 480[03:21:52] <tomboy65> jsync: correct
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• 486[03:25:35] <jsync> So, like this?
• 487[03:25:39] <jsync> cd /Videos/OpenSim Projects/Diasteirasein/Robust & Welcome/dia
• 488[03:25:39] <jsync> mono Robust.exe -inifile=Robust.HG.ini
• 489[03:25:39] <jsync> cd ~
• 490[03:26:15] <jsync> & then sudo chmod u+x My\ Sim
• 491[03:26:18] <jsync> ?
• 492[03:26:30] <jsync> It's still set to open with gedit. :/
• 493[03:26:33] <tomboy65> the directory on your first line needs to be enclosed in "
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• 495[03:26:57] <jsync> The directory, or the total line?
• 496[03:27:07] <tomboy65> e.g. "cd /Videos/OpenSim Projects/Diasteirasein/Robust & Welcome/dia"
• 497[03:27:11] <tomboy65> ugh
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• 499[03:27:17] <tomboy65> e.g. cd "/Videos/OpenSim Projects/Diasteirasein/Robust & Welcome/dia"
• 500[03:27:24] <jsync> Alrighty.
• 501[03:27:44] <tomboy65> and the last line is cd -
• 502[03:27:47] <tomboy65> not cd ~
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• 505[03:28:35] <tomboy65> also, you're supposed to run it from the console. no idea what's necessary to have your filemanager execute it. probably right-click and "execute in shell" or something like that.
• 506[03:28:42] <jsync> Though when I do sudo chmod u+x My\ Sim, it still stays as open using gedit.
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• 508[03:28:56] <jsync> Aha.
• 509[03:29:04] <tomboy65> if you really want to run it from the desktop, you need to create a proper .desktop file.
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• 513[03:29:38] <jsync> Yeah, the desktop or a simple icon executable. Either way would be awesome.
• 514[03:29:42] <tomboy65> no idea how to do that. hardly ever use the desktop. too much mouse.
• 515[03:30:11] <tomboy65> desktop is a whole different thing. what i just showed you is console only.
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• 517[03:30:57] <michael2> hi all. Ive created a wrapper script in the /usr/sbin/sendmail location - is there any way I can tell dpkg that there is now a "mail-transport-agent" virtual package on the system? to prevent any future software trying to install a mail-transport-agent as a dependency?
• 518[03:31:04] <Ouroboros> if you are going to +x it, then you may want to put an interpreter in there
• 519[03:31:25] <abrotman> michael2: why not just use a real package there?
• 520[03:32:00] <michael2> abrotman: because I needed a custom script
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• 522[03:32:47] <abrotman> you cuuld have put that custom script sooner in the path, like /usr/local/bin/
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• 527[03:33:33] <jsync> So, I'm trying to make a terminal command file that instantly opens the terminal & fulfills the startup command with the click of a single file.
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• 531[03:35:39] <michael2> abrotman: yeah, possibly but preventing any other programs from getting installed should fix it I expect.
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• 533[03:36:14] <abrotman> and break who knows what else ...
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• 552[03:42:10] <Ouroboros> michael2: dpkg redirect may be an option too
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• 572[03:52:14] <jsync> How would I make an Application-File.desktop that required a terminal command?
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• 582[03:56:20] <Led_Zeppelin> anyone here use the github API? I am trying to delete a repo curl -X DELETE but i keep getting not found.
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• 610[04:25:20] <expert976> I've installed a package called 'harden-doc' and it has placed files in '/usr/share/doc/'. How do I open the documentation other than opening 'index.html' in the web browser?
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• 614[04:27:56] <Ouroboros> why do you need an 'other than'?
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• 616[04:28:55] <expert976> Ouroboros: Because it's as simple as 'man harden'. I must browse to the docs directory
• 617[04:29:06] <expert976> Ouroboros: *because it's not
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• 620[04:33:02] <krytarik> expert976: "xdg-open <filepath>"
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• 648[04:55:31] <jsync> Alright, I am thinking that I need a simple shell script to open a terminal, cd /to/file/location, & then a secondary command to initiate the process. I've not made shell files before though.
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• 652[04:57:46] <somiaj> jsync: what is your actual goal?
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• 657[04:59:10] <somiaj> as in what is the point of having it open a terminal?
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• 660[05:02:42] <jsync> My actual goal is to make a shell file that opens the terminal, does a cd to the destination location, & then runs a command of mono OpenSim.exe
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• 664[05:04:05] <somiaj> you can do that in a single command, then after that make it an alais or a oneline script
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• 669[05:08:09] <jsync> somiaj, to simplify, I'd like to learn to make routine bash & shell scripts, though I want to start with making a simple script that I can place on my desktop to open a terminal, cd to the destination of a server software, & startup the server with a command out of the script. Simple double click & server is running.
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• 671[05:09:26] <somiaj> Is this a server? Again I don't see why you need to open a terminal for this.
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• 673[05:09:46] <somiaj> also things you place on your desktops, best to use a .desktop file for most desktops these days
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• 676[05:10:50] <jsync> Yeah, it's an OpenSim.exe server instance that I want to startup with a bash or shell script placed on my desktop or in a convenient folder. I need to run mono OpenSim.exe to start the server.
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• 679[05:11:55] <jsync> Once the terminal is on the desktop, I can input commands. I'm just tired of navigating through my filesystem for each of my Region servers. I'd rather double click & open the terminal, server started.
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• 681[05:12:29] <jsync> I'd like to make a gui, eventually. I need to learn a few things first though.
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• 685[05:15:45] <jsync> ("Kaiser Sosei" is a Greek name, spelled like the Greek.)
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• 688[05:18:07] <jsync> ("Kaiser Sosei" is like the expression, "Time Heals" in meaning.)
• 689[05:21:07] <jsync> So, yeah. I'd like to eventually make a gui for the server software. There aren't many developers working on the software, & a gui would help a lot of folks that use the software, though I'd like to start simple.
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• 691[05:24:21] <somiaj> again I don't see why you have to run this in a terminal, but whatever, start reading up, it isn't hard. xterm -e "cd somedir; mono OpenSim.exe"
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• 708[05:38:41] <jsync> I'm reading these various pages about making bash & shell scripts & each try results with nada. Most typical is error line 0: cd" blablabla: No such file or directory.
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• 711[05:41:11] <jsync> Simply following your instructions, somiaj, results with similar errors. That's not the way that shell & bash scripts are created. They're technical about what works & what results with error.
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• 713[05:42:50] <jsync> All of these instruction pages corroborate what you said though, somiaj, while none of them work.
• 714[05:43:36] <jsync> I've gone through various command tests for these files, & not a single of them can even get my terminal to open & cd to a directory path destination.
• 715[05:43:47] <jsync> replaced-url
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• 717[05:44:01] <somiaj> well you should maybe join #bash if you want help with bash programing, this really isn't debian specific
• 718[05:44:13] <jsync> That's an example page that corroborates somiaj instructions precisely, & it doesn't work.
• 719[05:44:30] <jsync> Aha. I'll try them. Thanks. :)
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• 754[06:02:49] <jsync> Alright, that group is good luck. I made the bash script work with the first correction I made upon talking with them.
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• 837[07:22:19] <darxmurf> morning
• 838[07:23:39] <darxmurf> I want to extract a bunch of targz files but ignore all hidden files/folders. I found this to add --exclude=".[^/]*", it works but I don't understand this pattern. Somebody to explain ?
• 839[07:23:59] <darxmurf> the --exclude option understands regex ?
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• 854[07:37:01] <somiaj> darxmurf: Not quite sure, that . should mean any character, [^/] means any character except /, and * means any number (zero or more) of the previous character. That first . is strange to me, but assuming the . is literal, it means match anything of the form .foo except things of the form ./foo
• 855[07:38:20] <somiaj> my understanding is if you want to exclude things of the form .foo, you want to match things [.][^/]*, this basically makes it so ./blah (which could be considered top level of the tar archive are not matched but .foo things are)
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• 857[07:39:28] <somiaj> oh wait, reading the wrong part of the manpage, --exclude just uses shell globbing patterns, so yea .[^/]* matches anything of the form .foo but won't match ./foo
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• 859[07:41:10] <darxmurf> yep it's apparently that
• 860[07:41:31] <somiaj> yea, I didn't check that my search found a different flag, the --exclude flag dosen't use regex, it uses shell globbing
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• 868[07:47:28] <darxmurf> holly crap, some users a definitely dumb. the guy apparently just renamed the .tar file to .tar.gz... maybe expecting an automatic compression? ^^
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• 870[07:48:20] <somiaj> because the extension is all the matters
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• 904[08:11:05] <siraben> What are some easy to use (GUI) programs for backing up Debian?
• 905[08:11:39] <siraben> Currently the user is using Deja Dup, but what else is there?
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• 909[08:15:36] <darxmurf> rsync ? :D
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• 911[08:17:10] <darxmurf> you want something automatic ?
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• 913[08:17:24] <darxmurf> there is duplicati which works quite well
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• 915[08:17:34] <Haohmaru> hm, doesn't "fdisk -l" show cdrom/dvdrom ?
• 916[08:17:57] <somiaj> usually cdroms/dvdroms don't have a partition table in the classic since
• 917[08:18:14] <somiaj> also they are not editable either, so they won't show them.
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• 919[08:18:45] <Haohmaru> ah, right.. fdisk's job is to format disks.. that means writing..
• 920[08:18:54] <somiaj> not format, partition
• 921[08:19:01] <somiaj> format is something different, done by mkfs
• 922[08:19:11] <somiaj> what are you trying to do?
• 923[08:19:13] <Haohmaru> so what can i use to find out the "name" of a dvdrom so i can "dd" it to an .iso?
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• 925[08:20:18] <somiaj> seems file might work, file -s /dev/cdrom
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• 928[08:23:59] <Haohmaru> that tells me something about a symbolic link to sr0 or some such
• 929[08:24:12] <somiaj> ahh run file on what the link poitns to
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• 931[08:24:28] <Haohmaru> but.. is "dd" actually the right tool?
• 932[08:24:58] <somiaj> depends, what is on the cd/dvd?
• 933[08:25:05] <somiaj> but yes cd/dvd should be able to image it to an .iso file
• 934[08:25:05] <Haohmaru> the DVD is some "movie" dvd which i need to clone to an iso
• 935[08:25:15] <babilen> handbrake might come in handy
• 936[08:25:24] <babilen> judd: i handbrake
• 937[08:25:25] <judd> Package handbrake (graphics, optional) in stretch/amd64: versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder (GTK+ GUI). Version: 0.10.5+ds1-2+b3; Size: 5470.8k; Installed: 10528k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 938[08:25:30] <darxmurf> handbrake will create a mkv file
• 939[08:25:33] <darxmurf> not as iso
• 940[08:25:38] <babilen> Sure
• 941[08:25:39] <somiaj> I think you want something else to get a dvd movie off than dd, I use to use some vobripper tool, forget the name though.
• 942[08:25:42] <darxmurf> which is fine too but maybe not what expected
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• 944[08:26:13] <babilen> I have assumed the issue is more "get video of DVD" rather than "write .iso", but sure, that's an assumption
• 945[08:26:17] <babilen> (hence "might")
• 946[08:26:27] <Haohmaru> i've no idea what is expected, this is some DVD from the boss' kindergarten
• 947[08:26:27] <babilen> *off
• 948[08:26:43] <babilen> What are you supposed to do with the data ?
• 949[08:27:04] <Haohmaru> "make an iso, put the iso onto this external hdd"
• 950[08:27:11] <babilen> And then?
• 951[08:27:24] <Haohmaru> then.. i continue soldering PCBs *shrug*
• 952[08:27:30] <Haohmaru> NOP NOP ;]
• 953[08:27:36] <babilen> No, I mean what is that supposed to be used for?
• 954[08:27:51] <Haohmaru> probably the boss will want to watch it from the iso
• 955[08:27:55] <babilen> You probably won't toss the external hard drive into mount doom
• 956[08:28:05] <Haohmaru> or might want to burn it onto another dvd
• 957[08:28:14] <darxmurf> if you want movie files you can play on computers or presentation screens, then go for handbrake to create them
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• 959[08:28:23] <babilen> So the goal is to have some digital file that can be copied around and that would allow other people to watch it?
• 960[08:28:25] <Haohmaru> :/
• 961[08:28:36] <Haohmaru> i've no idea, i'm not a dvd/movie kind of guy
• 962[08:28:48] <darxmurf> ask him then
• 963[08:28:49] <darxmurf> :D
• 964[08:28:50] <Haohmaru> babilen i'd think so
• 965[08:28:53] <Haohmaru> he ain't around
• 966[08:29:01] <babilen> Neither am I, but my guess would be that handbrake and what it allows you to do is what you're after
• 967[08:29:27] <Haohmaru> okay..
• 968[08:29:37] <Haohmaru> i hate doing such things
• 969[08:30:04] <babilen> "copy DVD to other DVD" is, however, quite different from "be able to watch a digital copy of the content"
• 970[08:30:06] <darxmurf> having a .iso files of a movie DVD is not that helpfull except if you want to backup it somewhere "RAW"
• 971[08:30:14] <babilen> ^
• 972[08:30:20] <Haohmaru> the boss has given the instructions to my collegue, then my collegue gives instructions to me and they both take off
• 973[08:30:38] <darxmurf> and what was the instructions ?
• 974[08:30:45] <Haohmaru> i wasn't there.. no idea
• 975[08:30:51] <babilen> heh
• 976[08:30:57] <babilen> Chinese whispers!
• 977[08:31:24] <Haohmaru> darxmurf well, i think making a raw iso won't hurt
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• 979[08:31:31] <Haohmaru> even if that's not what the boss wanted
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• 981[08:31:44] <Haohmaru> right?
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• 983[08:32:03] <babilen> "Boss, here's your DVD content encoded as a play on the nothingness of being, danced by me, while wearing a banana skin on my head"
• 984[08:32:19] <babilen> "What do you mean, that's not what you asked for?"
• 985[08:32:39] <pingfloyd> if they can't play an mp4 they've got problems
• 986[08:32:50] <Haohmaru> babilen have you been spying on us thru the windows? IT WAS U!!!1
• 987[08:32:51] <babilen> Why not copy with dd (or better dcfldd) and encode the movie in a nice container with handbrake?
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• 989[08:33:37] <Haohmaru> babilen "why not" - coz i don't know.. i don't even have/use DVDs nor watch movies
• 990[08:33:38] <babilen> External harddrive should be large enough for both and I'm sure the ripped copy will be appreciated
• 991[08:33:44] <fredl> Guys... I have an USB Ethernet device configured in /etc/network/interfaces, it has auto eth1 in it
• 992[08:33:58] <babilen> fredl: Nice!
• 993[08:34:11] <babilen> (apart from the USB bit, but go on)
• 994[08:34:12] <fredl> But the interface does not come up at boot, however after it boots through, we can do ifup eth1 and it works without a problem
• 995[08:34:25] <fredl> howdy babilen :)
• 996[08:34:25] <darxmurf> Haohmaru you said your colleague gave you instructions
• 997[08:34:46] <babilen> darxmurf: probably along the lines of "do the DVD thingie for boss"
• 998[08:34:56] <Haohmaru> yes, eggzactly
• 999[08:35:24] <Haohmaru> he suggested "Nero" on windows
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• 1001[08:35:42] <Haohmaru> i don't want to plug this into a windows machine, nor the external harddisk
• 1002[08:35:44] <babilen> If people were able to specify exactly what they want, the world would be a better place. I think that at least 50% of your time is spent on clarifying what people are after, before implementing the technical solution
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• 1006[08:36:42] <Haohmaru> yeah.. redesigning the pcb and firmware for this thing 4 times because there are no design plan from the start.. tell me about it ;]
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• 1008[08:36:57] <Haohmaru> anywayz.. i'll install this handbrake thing
• 1009[08:37:00] <babilen> brb
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• 1018[08:44:24] <Haohmaru> looks like that thing suggest to "get" the contents into a .mp4 or so
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• 1022[08:46:39] <darxmurf> yes it's what we said :-)
• 1023[08:46:52] <darxmurf> it ripping the DVD to create a mp4 movie file
• 1024[08:46:55] <Haohmaru> except i did not fully understood it
• 1025[08:47:02] <Haohmaru> right
• 1026[08:47:03] <darxmurf> I would say like a DivX :)
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• 1028[08:47:20] <Haohmaru> i guess the DVD is made to be played by these home-cinema systems, not so much a computer?
• 1029[08:47:50] <darxmurf> DVD is made to be played in a disk playing device or DVDrom
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• 1031[08:48:00] <Haohmaru> right
• 1032[08:48:01] <darxmurf> files out of handbrake are like mp3
• 1033[08:48:09] <darxmurf> just a file you can play on computer
• 1034[08:48:14] <Haohmaru> mp4
• 1035[08:48:36] <Haohmaru> i got a photo camera, it spews out mp4 videos.. so i know i can play those on PC
• 1036[08:48:40] <allizom> Haohmaru: you can play the DVD Video with software such as VLC
• 1037[08:49:22] <allizom> if it uses CSS, you need libdvdcss though
• 1038[08:49:33] <Haohmaru> i'm currently "dd"ing /dev/sr0 to an iso, then imma press "Start" on handbrake.. and imma call it "job done" *shrug*
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• 1126[09:45:42] <ansyeb> hello. I want to display all processes in the system and arrange them in way so that I can see how many of each is running also in descending order. say: php -200; kworker -37; mysql -7. is there a way to display it like this?
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• 1147[09:58:30] <jelly> ansyeb: pstree aggregates all processes with same name and same leaf position in the process tree
• 1148[09:59:32] <jelly> other than that, you may have to write a small uniq -c, or awk or perl oneliner to count and sort
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• 1152[10:00:37] <jelly> ansyeb: eg. ps -eo comm | sort | uniq -c | sort -n
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• 1164[10:04:08] <srged> my network manager says "device not ready" and shows no wifi AP's ... yet im online via wifi (maybe supplicatnt works in the background)... how can i get the network manager to work properly ?
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• 1166[10:04:57] <Ool> srged: perhaps is just you don't use network manager
• 1167[10:05:26] <petn-randall> srged: If you connected via ifupdown, network-manager won't touch that network device.
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• 1177[10:13:23] <ansyeb> @jelly, thank you
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• 1187[10:19:02] <ansyeb> your ps -eo does the job. but then for certain occurences I want to cut last 2 chracters so that they get summed up correctly and only then output
• 1188[10:19:29] <ansyeb> for some 2, for some 4 etc
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• 1190[10:20:31] <ansyeb> or cut everything following "/" and/or "_"
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• 1197[10:23:20] <ansyeb> ps -eo comm | sort | cut -f1 -d"/" | uniq -c | sort -nr
• 1198[10:23:22] <ansyeb> ok, that worked
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• 1204[10:25:28] <ansyeb> can I awk the sum of 1st column in output BUT for the first 14 rows only?
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• 1213[10:28:30] <ansyeb> replaced-url
• 1214[10:28:37] <ansyeb> and why do results of these 2 differ o_O
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• 1257[11:13:44] <Craig> on debian 9, the ping command doesnt seem to respond to ctrl+c any more. the only way i can kill it is by opening a second terminal and killing it with 'kill' or 'killall'
• 1258[11:13:48] <Craig> is this normal?
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• 1263[11:16:09] <srged> my network manager doesnt show the access points and says "device not ready". why
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• 1265[11:18:31] <petn-randall> srged: Did you check if it's managed by ifupdown yet?
• 1266[11:18:50] <srged> petn-randall: how do i chk that?
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• 1268[11:19:55] <petn-randall> srged: `cat /etc/network/interfaces` paste the output to replaced-url
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• 1276[11:23:58] <petn-randall> srged: Also, can you run `rfkill list` as root and paste that output, too?
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• 1278[11:25:04] <srged> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1283[11:28:14] <petn-randall> srged: Ah, it's not managed by ifupdown, and doesn't seem to be blocked by hardware switches or other settings. What OS release are you running?
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• 1285[11:28:56] <srged> petn-randall: debian9
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• 1287[11:29:57] <petn-randall> srged: Is the wifi built-in, or connected via USB?
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• 1294[11:34:37] <srged> petn-randall: builtin
• 1295[11:35:07] <petn-randall> srged: Can you paste the output of `lspci -nn`, run as root?
• 1296[11:36:28] <srged> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1302[11:39:36] <petn-randall> srged: Do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? `dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi` will tell you.
• 1303[11:40:14] <srged> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1309[11:44:19] <petn-randall> srged: Missing firmware doesn't seem to be the issue then. I'd check the output of `dmesg` for any issues with you wifi.
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• 1317[11:47:50] <dionysus69> does the process launched through ssh in a non-daemon way terminate when ssh is disconnected? let's say the internet connection is the reason
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• 1322[11:48:22] <petn-randall> heh :)
• 1323[11:48:29] <dionysus69> does the process launched through ssh in a non-daemon way terminate when ssh is disconnected? let's say the internet connection is the reason
• 1324[11:48:36] <petn-randall> dionysus69: "depends"
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• 1326[11:48:46] <bites> heh, thought you answered that yourself.
• 1327[11:48:56] <michael2> dionysus69: I think ssh will die eventually when the TCP dies
• 1328[11:49:02] <dionysus69> does the process launched through ssh in a non-daemon way terminate when ssh is disconnected? let's say the internet connection is the reason
• 1329[11:49:04] <michael2> "expires"
• 1330[11:49:09] <petn-randall> dionysus69: systemd will clean up a user session, killing any processes that didn't terminate themselves. I don't think sysv init does that.
• 1331[11:49:20] <dionysus69> lol sorry for spam I thought you didn't receive the messages
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• 1333[11:49:57] <dionysus69> I just have build process running and it takes more than hour already and maybe there's couple more hours left
• 1334[11:50:09] <petn-randall> srged: It seems as though your wifi got wedged into a broken state, and also the kernel threw an exception. I would restart and see if the issue persists.
• 1335[11:50:31] <michael2> dionysus69: why not run tmux on the remote?
• 1336[11:50:48] <michael2> then it doesn't matter about the connect state
• 1337[11:50:54] <srged> petn-randall: no need to restart it does this all the time 24/7
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• 1339[11:51:02] <dionysus69> never used tmux so I dont really know what it is, I know it is a bash something
• 1340[11:51:07] <srged> i got tired always reconnecting the damn wifi
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• 1343[11:51:46] <michael2> dionysus69: ok if not familiar with tmux, what about screen?
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• 1345[11:52:02] <dionysus69> not familiar with that either
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• 1347[11:52:07] <dionysus69> I just use terminator
• 1348[11:52:13] <bites> screen works as well.
• 1349[11:52:31] <michael2> what is terminator?
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• 1351[11:52:41] <dionysus69> it is a terminal emulator
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• 1353[11:53:00] <dionysus69> it supports multi terminal layouts etc
• 1354[11:53:13] <petn-randall> srged: You could try a newer kernel from backports to see if the issue goes away.
• 1355[11:53:29] <michael2> dionysus69: oh ok tmux is that plus it solves your ssh problem
• 1356[11:54:09] <dionysus69> ah I see
• 1357[11:54:27] <dionysus69> so do I install tmux on host or target, or both?
• 1358[11:55:03] <michael2> only necessary on remote - if you want to solve this ssh timout/disconnect problem
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• 1360[11:55:43] <michael2> tmux will start a tmux server process on your remote host
• 1361[11:56:10] <michael2> then when you ssh in, your ssh pseudo terminal will attach that client to the tmux server
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• 1363[11:57:12] <srged> petn-randall: when i had debian8 it was doing the same. i guess my wifi card is not fully compatible with linux or something
• 1364[11:57:17] <michael2> then your ssh can break but the process is contained within a tmux server pseudo terminal which keeps it alive
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• 1369[11:58:05] <michael2> dionysus69: whats even better is you can log in from another machine or even a mobile device and re-attch to tmux
• 1370[11:58:28] <dionysus69> hmm sounds complicated :D
• 1371[11:58:41] <dionysus69> but not that complicated I guess
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• 1373[11:59:59] <michael2> yeah its complicated - just like everything else...
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• 1376[12:00:32] <dionysus69> lol
• 1377[12:00:42] <dionysus69> thanks for the insight
• 1378[12:00:52] <petn-randall> srged: A backports kernel is always worth a shot. Especially if the hardware was built sometime in the last 4 years.
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• 1381[12:02:50] <srged> petn-randall: its an old laptop im using, 10 yrs old...
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• 1383[12:02:59] <srged> petn-randall: its an old laptop im using, 10 yrs old...
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• 1387[12:05:04] <srged> petn-randall: it would be better if id just get the NM to work, coz it auto reconnects fast when connection drops... so id be able to use the machine decently
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• 1389[12:06:04] <srged> coz for some reason the wicd im using does not reconnect fast, i need to wait too long for it, and manual reconnecting all day long is annoying...
• 1390[12:07:07] <petn-randall> srged: It can also be a HW issue, as you can see from the dmesg output. *maybe* downgrading the firmware package can also help. At this point it's just trial and error to find out what works for you.
• 1391[12:07:43] <srged> petn-randall: i see. ok. thx for the support
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• 1403[12:15:41] <yokowka> hello everysoul!!!! boot with erors: radeon firmware, bluetoth patch, etc.... Can help me with it somesoul?
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• 1405[12:18:24] <petn-randall> !ask
• 1406[12:18:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1407[12:18:38] <petn-randall> Hi yokowka: Try framing your question along the lines of the factoid above. ^^^
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• 1425[12:39:16] <yokowka> petn-randall replaced-url
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• 1434[12:44:06] <petn-randall> yokowka: "Entry not found"
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• 1436[12:44:47] <yokowka> I have a problem with booting debian 9.3 gnome distributive. When I'm booting it system shows errors with working of radeon
• 1437[12:45:46] <petn-randall> yokowka: Can you show us these errors?
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• 1439[12:46:17] <yokowka> replaced-url
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• 1443[12:47:40] <petn-randall> yokowka: It seems like you copy/pasted it from an IRC chat log. It doesn't show your problem, though.
• 1444[12:47:56] <petn-randall> yokowka: What is the user-visible problem you have?
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• 1447[12:49:36] <yokowka> petn-randall - teach me what to do to show You booting errors?
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• 1450[12:50:26] <petn-randall> yokowka: What *problem* are you seeing? Does gnome not boot up? Does your computer turn off, etc?
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• 1454[12:51:33] <petn-randall> yokowka: That is the latter part of the factoid: "When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."
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• 1459[12:54:23] <yokowka> petn-randall when booting is on I see system message that usb not boots, etc. radeon set boots with no firmware, bluetooth also have no something there.... When I try to do clear booting with no errors I have previous shown output.... I expected it to do booting with no errors of hardware....
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• 1461[12:55:59] <kale> how can i find out how many packages from testing i have installed and what they are?
• 1462[12:56:35] <petn-randall> yokowka: But does the actual hardware work or not?
• 1463[12:57:10] <petn-randall> yokowka: Meaning: Are you just worried about those scary messages, or is some of the hardware actually not working?
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• 1472[13:02:19] <yokowka> petn-randall harware works. I'm terribly worring about scary messages) See you 3/4 our later. Баня not waits.
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• 1479[13:05:38] <petn-randall> yokowka: Ok, there's no reason for alarm then. Can you paste the output of 'dmesg' to replaced-url
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• 1544[13:52:23] <yokowka> petn-randal I return and think - can! replaced-url
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• 1572[14:07:20] <yokowka> petn-randall replaced-url
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• 1608[14:31:42] <petn-randall> yokowka: You just need to install firmware-amd-graphics and firmware-atheros, and those warnings will go away.
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• 1616[14:38:17] <yokowka> petn-randall can you wright tutorial? I'll be Your owner))))
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• 1618[14:38:53] <petn-randall> What?
• 1619[14:39:00] <petn-randall> yokowka: Do you know how to install packages?
• 1620[14:39:23] <yokowka> Not clearly
• 1621[14:39:41] <petn-randall> yokowka: run `apt install firmware-amd-graphics firmware-atheros` as root.
• 1622[14:40:07] <yokowka> and that will help?))
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• 1625[14:42:32] <yokowka> I'm allready doing that.
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• 1628[14:44:43] <cluelessperson> does systemd not follow symlinks? :(
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• 1637[14:48:49] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: Context?
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• 1656[14:56:12] <yokowka> pent-randall : failed to start rise network entertainment, if all words are correct wrights by me)) This is now scarry message(( And a lot of not scary messages, but in previous linux distributive ubuntu thera no such lines as: .... done, loading success, was in ubuntu startpage and then desktop!
• 1657[14:56:46] <yokowka> how to fix it?
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• 1660[14:57:21] <yokowka> *there are
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• 1670[15:01:39] <Peyam> I got a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 3050 and want to set it up on debian. it is recognized by debian when I do lsusb
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• 1679[15:04:18] <yokowka> pent-rantall , be You blessed by heavens fathers, mothers, grandpa's and grandmom's!!!! I'm Your owner.
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• 1685[15:06:37] <petn-randall> yokowka: petn<tab>
• 1686[15:06:50] <petn-randall> You have very creative ways to spell my nick.
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• 1688[15:07:00] <Peyam> I got a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 3050 and want to set it up on debian. it is recognized by debian when I do lsusb
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• 1691[15:08:23] <yokowka> petn-randall, sorry for that!
• 1692[15:08:56] <petn-randall> Peyam: You should get it to work by installing 'hplip' and running `hp-setup`.
• 1693[15:09:17] <petn-randall> Peyam: HP printers have fairly good Linux support, unlike other manufacturers.
• 1694[15:09:37] <Peyam> installing now
• 1695[15:09:46] * petn-randall stares at Brother Industries.
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• 1697[15:09:54] <Peyam> but it is not printer servet, I just want it to be install on this machine
• 1698[15:10:01] <Peyam> is it the correct package to install?
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• 1701[15:10:59] <jelly> Peyam: yes
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• 1703[15:11:25] <Peyam> jelly, replaced-url
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• 1708[15:14:32] <yokowka> petn-randall, failed to start rise network entertainment, if all words are correct wrights by me)) This is now scarry message(( And a lot of not scary messages, but in previous linux distributive ubuntu thera no such lines as: .... done, loading success, was in ubuntu startpage and then desktop! how to fix it?
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• 1710[15:16:15] <Peyam> what do I do now?
• 1711[15:16:16] <petn-randall> yokowka: I have no idea what you're trying to say. Can you rephrase?
• 1712[15:16:30] <jelly> Peyam: I have no idea how hp-setup tool works. Perhaps you need to install hplip-gui as well.
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• 1715[15:18:28] <Peyam> jelly, it works now with gui but it does not find any printer but when I do lsusb I can see that the printer is there
• 1716[15:19:49] <petn-randall> Peyam: What exactly is "it"? The hp-setup should guide you through installing the printer.
• 1717[15:19:56] <yokowka> petn-randall, May be.... look up here for fauilers replaced-url
• 1718[15:19:58] <Peyam> now it works. I needed to do sudo
• 1719[15:20:31] <Peyam> Can I have a fax even if I dont have any phone at home and no phone number
• 1720[15:20:32] <Peyam> ?
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• 1723[15:21:38] <Peyam> no
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• 1727[15:22:49] <Peyam> it works now yeeeeeeeey
• 1728[15:22:51] <Peyam> thanks
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• 1730[15:23:16] <petn-randall> yokowka: I don't see any problems.
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• 1732[15:24:43] <yokowka> [ 300.390489] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged , [ 18.505163] usb 1-1.5: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 13.161195] uvcvideo 1-1.8:1.0: Entity type for entity Extension 4 was not initialized!
• 1733[15:24:43] <yokowka> [ 13.161198] uvcvideo 1-1.8:1.0: Entity type for entity Extension 3 was not initialized!
• 1734[15:24:44] <yokowka> [ 13.161201] uvcvideo 1-1.8:1.0: Entity type for entity Processing 2 was not initialized!
• 1735[15:24:44] <yokowka> [ 13.161203] uvcvideo 1-1.8:1.0: Entity type for entity Camera 1 was not initialized!
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• 1738[15:26:41] <yokowka> [ 12.685661] CRAT table not found, [ 10.717470] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI(PEGP) defines _DOD but not _DOS
• 1739[15:26:41] <yokowka> [ 10.720022] ACPI: Video Device [PEGP] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no)
• 1740[15:26:41] <yokowka> [ 10.720027] ACPI Error: [\_SB_.PCI0.GFX0.DD02._BCL] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160831/psargs-359)
• 1741[15:26:41] <yokowka> [ 10.720036] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.PCI0.RP05.PEGP.DD02._BCL] (Node ffff9dcbda9f55a0), AE_NOT_FOUND (20160831/psparse-543)
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• 1743[15:27:32] <jim> yokowka, alternatively to pasting into the channel, you could use this: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1744[15:28:24] <petn-randall> yokowka: What is the problem? This is debug output from the kernel, purely cosmetical.
• 1745[15:29:10] <petn-randall> yokowka: Just because you don't understand a line in dmesg it doesn't mean it's a problem.
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• 1747[15:29:53] <petn-randall> yokowka: Debian is not Windows. Debian will provide you all details, so you can see them. Windows would just hide these messages to comfort you.
• 1748[15:30:02] <petn-randall> That's not The True Way™.
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• 1751[15:33:16] <yokowka> petn-randall, is it possible to hide system messages? to comort debian?
• 1752[15:33:26] <petn-randall> yokowka: Yes. Close your eyes.
• 1753[15:33:28] <yokowka> *comfort
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• 1755[15:33:53] <yokowka> petn-randall, so easy))))
• 1756[15:33:58] <petn-randall> Debian doesn't need any comforting, it likes it that way.
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• 1759[15:34:28] <yokowka> petn-randall, understand
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• 1764[15:38:37] <yokowka> petn-randall, two more last questions: ACPI error and failed to start rise interface - deleted can be?
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• 1768[15:41:18] <petn-randall> "deleted can be"? What do you mean with that?
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• 1770[15:41:32] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox
• 1771[15:41:40] <NetTerminalGene> :|
• 1772[15:41:47] <NetTerminalGene> .firefox
• 1773[15:41:54] <yokowka> can be desides this lines not shown?
• 1774[15:42:13] <NetTerminalGene> has stretch switched to firefox quantum yet?
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• 1776[15:42:49] <yokowka> *dessigions
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• 1778[15:43:36] <petn-randall> yokowka: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1779[15:43:43] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
• 1780[15:43:44] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.8.1esr-2; sid:
• 1781[15:43:45] <judd> 52.8.1esr-2; experimental: 60.0.2esr-1
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• 1783[15:43:58] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: It's running on firefox-esr (52). ^^^^
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• 1787[15:46:04] <yokowka> petn-randall, ACPI error line and failed to start rise interface line - became empty or something that lines
• 1788[15:46:35] <yokowka> *that likes
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• 1793[15:52:32] <petn-randall> yokowka: What do you mean with become empty? I'm still telling you, those are PURELY COSMETIC messages, there's no need to remove or hide them.
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• 1795[15:53:52] <yokowka> Ah, then let it be))))
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• 1798[15:54:36] <petn-randall> yokowka: I'm 100% sure any other distro (including Ubuntu) will have those messages. Because those are bugs in your BIOS (specifically, the ACPI DSDT provided by your BIOS).
• 1799[15:54:55] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall, thanks
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• 1801[15:55:48] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: In a few months upstream support for 52 ESR will run out. Then stable will likely start shipping ESR 60.
• 1802[15:56:27] <yokowka> petn-randall, that bugs can be fixes? can be docky installed on debian desktop?
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• 1806[15:57:16] <yokowka> can be transferred data "from must die" to debian?
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• 1808[15:57:38] <yokowka> *from "must die"
• 1809[15:57:50] <yokowka> qindows I mean
• 1810[15:58:25] <petn-randall> yokowka: What is docky?
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• 1815[15:59:05] <yokowka> bottom panel to desktop looks like in macOS
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• 1833[16:07:40] <hassoon> 'evening
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• 1845[16:15:08] <Guest20454> bonjour y a t il un français dans la salle ?
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• 1847[16:16:22] <darxmurf> Suisse, ça va aussi ? :D
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• 1855[16:18:30] <petn-randall> !fr
• 1856[16:18:30] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
• 1857[16:18:36] <petn-randall> Guest20454: ^^^
• 1858[16:18:55] <Akuw> hi
• 1859[16:19:14] <Guest20454> ok thanks
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• 1862[16:19:38] <darxmurf> The guy who does not want to speak with a french speaking swiss ^^
• 1863[16:19:43] <petn-randall> (or feel free to ask in english here)
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• 1872[16:22:20] <darxmurf> folks... it's beer time \o/ have a good week-end !
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• 1883[16:30:43] <Toadisattva> not sure if this one is a debian/os level question or a browser question. when i play music locally from my computer (via vlc or similar) and in chromium browser the music plays perfectly, but when I try playing anythign through firefox it comes out with all this crazy static
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• 1885[16:31:21] <petn-randall> Toadisattva: Which OS release is this?
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• 1887[16:31:53] <Toadisattva> I just upgraded to stretch 9.4 but it was happening in debian 8 as well before I upgraded
• 1888[16:32:47] <petn-randall> Toadisattva: Did you finish the upgrade cleanly? You likely also need pulseaudio installed to use firefox now.
• 1889[16:33:46] <Toadisattva> yeah update went fine no orphaned/broken/messed up packages, pusle audio is installed and up to date
• 1890[16:33:54] <Toadisattva> pulse*
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• 1894[16:36:39] <Toadisattva> it's not a huge deal I'm fine with just using chromium, just more of a curiousity thing
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• 1901[16:40:47] <Toadisattva> okay I got one more too
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• 1904[16:41:30] <Toadisattva> I'm using this on an arm based chromebook so it doesn't really have a bios, and I can't seem to figure out how to change the clock time since I can't access a bios to change it
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• 1913[16:47:11] <BCMM> Toadisattva: i'm not sure i understand the problem - what's wrong with changing the time with Linux?
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• 1918[16:49:35] <Toadisattva> I think I probably just need the right command to change the hardware clock
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• 1921[16:51:07] <BCMM> Toadisattva: typically, the hardware clock would be set by debian during clean shutdowns
• 1922[16:51:47] <Toadisattva> it's reading UTC so it's several hours off for me
• 1923[16:51:48] <BCMM> Toadisattva: i suppose it's possible, if not very likely, that there isn't a proper linux driver for your laptop's hwclock
• 1924[16:51:58] <BCMM> Toadisattva: the hardware clock should always read utc
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• 1930[16:53:07] <Toadisattva> so my issue here is that I'd like the desktop to read the US mountain time zone
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• 1934[16:53:36] <BCMM> Toadisattva: every civilised system (i think everything but windows) uses UTC internally, and converts to local time only when displaying times to the user
• 1935[16:53:53] <Toadisattva> the local conversion isn't happening
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• 1937[16:53:54] <BCMM> this way you avoid things like files appearing to have been modified in the future when daylight saving kicks in
• 1938[16:54:02] <BCMM> Toadisattva: have you actually set a timezone?
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• 1940[16:54:15] <Toadisattva> that's what I can't figure out how to do lol
• 1941[16:54:19] <BCMM> ah, i see
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• 1943[16:54:50] <BCMM> ... doesn't the installer prompt you to set a timezone?
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• 1945[16:55:16] <BCMM> Toadisattva: anyway, as root, do `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`
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• 1947[16:55:18] <Toadisattva> since I'm using a chromebook I wasn't able to just install via the live usb
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• 1949[16:55:21] <BCMM> ah, ok
• 1950[16:55:26] <Toadisattva> aha that's what I need!
• 1951[16:55:28] <Toadisattva> thansk!
• 1952[16:55:35] <BCMM> so i guess you've already tried changing the time, but ntp or something changed it back?
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• 1956[16:56:42] <Toadisattva> I had tried one ctl command or something but it just kept returning an error and there was no gui way to do it
• 1957[16:56:53] <Toadisattva> it looks like the dpkg-reconfigure did it
• 1958[16:57:20] <Toadisattva> gotta log out and back in real quick just to make sure
• 1959[16:59:02] <Toadisattva> yep I'm squared away
• 1960[16:59:06] <Toadisattva> thanks for your help :)
• 1961[16:59:45] <BCMM> Toadisattva: no problem! i don't know how your install method worked, but it might be worth checking other thing the installer usually prompts for, like locale
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• 1965[17:01:31] <Toadisattva> how do I check that I tried dpkg-reconfigure locale but got an unable to locate package error
• 1966[17:01:59] <BCMM> dpkg-reconfigure locales (note the s)
• 1967[17:02:05] <Toadisattva> aha!
• 1968[17:02:07] <BCMM> Toadisattva: how did you do the install? debootstrap?
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• 1970[17:02:42] <Toadisattva> yeah I did deboostrap
• 1971[17:02:54] <Toadisattva> well I ran a script that did that for me lol
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• 1973[17:03:08] <BCMM> Toadisattva: well, looks like that script made a few assumptions! :)
• 1974[17:03:13] <Toadisattva> locales returns no installed and no information available
• 1975[17:03:24] <Toadisattva> not*
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• 1979[17:04:09] <BCMM> Toadisattva: this is the official steps for a debootstrapped install. obviously most of this was already done for you but might be worth skimming it replaced-url
• 1980[17:04:28] <Toadisattva> thanks! giving it a look
• 1981[17:04:37] <BCMM> in particular it's worth checking your sources.list
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• 1983[17:05:16] <BCMM> oh well strictly i gave you the amd64 version there but you get the idea i hope
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• 1986[17:06:32] <BCMM> Toadisattva: if you're an English speaker with an American keyboard you're probably ok with defaults for most things, but these days you really ought to use a utf8 locale regardless of your language
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• 1988[17:06:43] <BCMM> you can check what you've got by just running `locale`
• 1989[17:07:50] <Toadisattva> language options are blank and most everything else is reading posix
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• 2014[17:19:50] <bellicapelli> Hi there. My debian freezes at startup and i'm going to change distro. So does someone know where can i find the directory of the main hdd from a live usb?
• 2015[17:20:29] <bellicapelli> Cause i need to copy a lot of files but with this dead system it's impossible
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• 2034[17:28:50] <jelly> bellicapelli: start with "lsblk" and "blkid" output, then figure out which filesystem to mount
• 2035[17:29:06] <jelly> or mount them all and see what's inside
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• 2039[17:31:23] <bellicapelli> Ok i'll try
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• 2053[17:39:31] <youri_> hi
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• 2060[17:45:11] <BCMM> bellicapelli: the filesystems on your hard drive won't be mounted, by default, on most live distros
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• 2062[17:45:37] <BCMM> bellicapelli: so you will have to identify the relevant block device and mount it before you can read that directory
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• 2131[18:28:01] <physkets> BCMM AliceKelly Hey!
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• 2133[18:28:34] <physkets> I got myself a USB-mSATA adapter to perform an install on the mSATA SSD
• 2134[18:28:57] <physkets> Is there some way I can perform the install without booting from another USB?
• 2135[18:29:01] <BCMM> physkets: does it work with smartctl?
• 2136[18:29:21] <physkets> let me check
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• 2142[18:31:05] <physkets> BCMM: well, what do you mean when you ask if it "works"?
• 2143[18:31:19] <physkets> I did a '-i', and it gives some info
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• 2145[18:31:40] <BCMM> physkets: well, can you send SMART commands to the ssd, basically
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• 2147[18:32:14] <physkets> the output of '-i' does say:
• 2148[18:32:22] <physkets> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
• 2149[18:32:27] <physkets> SMART support is: Enabled
• 2150[18:32:39] <BCMM> nice; what adaptor is that?
• 2151[18:32:46] <physkets> SO I'm guessing yes; but is there anything in particular that I should test?
• 2152[18:33:02] <contrapunctus> o/
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• 2154[18:33:28] <physkets> BCMM: replaced-url
• 2155[18:33:39] <BCMM> physkets: thanks
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• 2157[18:34:10] <BCMM> physkets: smartctl -l selftest is a decent, non-destructive test of actual smart features
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• 2164[18:36:51] <physkets> looks like it is `smartctl -t long /dev/sdX`
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• 2170[18:43:00] <contrapunctus[m]> Debian 9.4. I installed ibus and ibus-m17n, which on previous Debian installations would IIRC provide a 'devanagari-inscript' input method, but now it seems to be nowhere to be seen in the 'add input method' menu.
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• 2178[18:44:29] <contrapunctus[m]> Some page recommended running `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources show-all-sources true', but that didn't result in any change.
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• 2188[18:51:32] <physkets> BCMM: Finished the sleftest:
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• 2190[18:51:42] <physkets> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
• 2191[18:51:51] <physkets> # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 0 -
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• 2208[18:59:22] <jhutchins_wk> !debootstrap
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• 2210[18:59:22] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 2231[19:10:00] <physkets> BCMM: so the ssd looks fine
• 2232[19:10:23] <physkets> Do you know any way I can install to it with out booting with the iso?
• 2233[19:10:40] <physkets> Can I just mount the iso, and do something?
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• 2274[19:27:54] <physkets> Does anyone know of a way I can achieve this?
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• 2276[19:28:35] <Brigo> physkets, deboootstrapt
• 2277[19:28:59] <Brigo> !debootstrap
• 2278[19:28:59] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
• 2279[19:29:22] <jim> physkets, are you having trouble booting?
• 2280[19:29:29] <physkets> Brigo: one small issue I am not already on debian
• 2281[19:30:03] <Brigo> physkets, you don't have to. debootstrap runs in other linux systems
• 2282[19:30:16] <jim> physkets, what are you on?
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• 2284[19:30:30] <physkets> jim: well, no, I want to know if I can somehow 'run' the iso to start the installer, and install onto an attached USB
• 2285[19:30:40] <physkets> I'm on an Arch derivative
• 2286[19:30:51] <Brigo> physkets, virtualbox or qemu?
• 2287[19:30:54] <BCMM> physkets: you could do that using qemu, for example
• 2288[19:31:01] <jim> you could probably run debootstrap from that
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• 2290[19:31:06] <BCMM> physkets: just pass the block device as the disk "image" file
• 2291[19:31:18] <BCMM> physkets: or you could just run debootstrap on arch instead of using the installer
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• 2293[19:31:34] <physkets> I see... I'll checkout both these ways
• 2294[19:32:07] <Brigo> i have to go, sorry
• 2295[19:32:08] <BCMM> it's not as user-friendly and guided as the debian installer but it should be managable if you've installed arch before
• 2296[19:33:09] <BCMM> i dunno why dpkg has a dead link to debian-administration.org instead of replaced-url
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• 2298[19:33:20] <jim> if you can set up a qemu and get a guest working, you can boot the netinstaller inside that (other than setting up vbox or qemu, it would probably be easier than figuring out debootstrap
• 2299[19:33:23] <jim> )
• 2300[19:33:46] <BCMM> eh debootstrap isn't that bad
• 2301[19:34:04] <BCMM> coming from Gentoo, it's easier than the installer, dunno if arch users would feel the same
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• 2310[19:39:35] <jim> I'm just saying running the netinstaller would be easier than figuring out debootstrap
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• 2320[19:46:14] <physkets> jim: I tried the qemu... "qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom debian.iso"
• 2321[19:46:29] <physkets> the installer starts, but ends in a kernel panic
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• 2324[19:47:15] <physkets> it says "no working init found"
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• 2355[20:06:13] <physkets> jim: the qemu installer said that the memory was too low...
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• 2357[20:06:20] <physkets> is there any way I can increas that?
• 2358[20:07:00] <Ouroboros> download more ram
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• 2360[20:09:19] <annadane> don't say that, people *will* take you seriousness
• 2361[20:09:22] <annadane> seriously*
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• 2370[20:13:14] <jim> physkets, hmm. how much physical ram do you have in your machine?
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• 2374[20:14:30] <jim> annadane, they would? interesting! what would they interpret "well, you should just download more ram" to mean?
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• 2376[20:14:57] <annadane> idk. people are strange
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• 2380[20:15:56] <hypn0> its a riddle :-)
• 2381[20:16:37] * jim would download an acura tl and vacation homes in oregon and brasil
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• 2383[20:16:46] <hypn0> ebay/amazon some ram :-)
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• 2385[20:17:02] <galex-713> jlacroix: taking “ram” as something they don’t know about, they might think it’s data and it can be downloaded from some unknown place on the web, by searching on google
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• 2388[20:17:42] <galex-713> jlacroix: also, they might think it’s possible to download material and for software to upgrade hardware, the way people actually really thought a (fake) iOS upgrade could (fakely) make their phone waterproof
• 2389[20:17:46] <greycat> google results for "download some ram" are humorous
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• 2391[20:17:57] <greycat> including replaced-url
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• 2393[20:18:12] <V7> Hey all
• 2394[20:18:17] <jim> hi
• 2395[20:18:25] <Ouroboros> jim: i have just the site for you!
• 2396[20:18:32] <V7> Could anyone suggest a debian for cpu such: replaced-url
• 2397[20:18:54] <hypn0> that might be correct greycat :-D
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• 2401[20:21:36] <jim> V7, what kind of cpu is that
• 2402[20:21:45] <jim> is it like an intel?
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• 2407[20:22:10] <V7> Don't know, it's integrated to some mobo
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• 2409[20:22:42] <jim> hmm... which motherboard?
• 2410[20:22:47] <V7> Already tried a bunch of different OSes, so askign for help.
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• 2412[20:23:10] <V7> No OS worked, only TinyCore
• 2413[20:23:23] <V7> So, is there any chance that Debian would work ?
• 2414[20:23:30] <jim> what's tinycore? and you say it worked?
• 2415[20:23:57] <greycat> Tiny Core Linux is a non-Debian Linux-based OS ("distro").
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• 2418[20:24:45] <jim> V7, which motherboard is this? can you provide a link to info about it?
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• 2421[20:26:05] <V7> When trying to run some installers it tells: replaced-url
• 2422[20:26:40] <hypn0> replaced-url
• 2423[20:27:16] <Ouroboros> why does the tty scrollable fb (shift-pgup|pgdn) get truncated sometimes?
• 2424[20:27:36] <V7> Mobo serial: P3-1491-NNN. I've already tried to google such mobo, but there're only cyrillic sites
• 2425[20:27:43] <greycat> The Linux virtual console stores a very small amount of scrollback, and even that disappears whenever you switch VCs.
• 2426[20:27:59] <greycat> If you care about this, use tmux/screen or X11 like a normal person.
• 2427[20:28:15] <Ouroboros> nah, that would make too much sense
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• 2431[20:28:53] <jim> V7, is there a model number and manufacturer name?
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• 2433[20:30:15] * jim has never heard of this thing "normal person"...
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• 2435[20:30:44] <Ouroboros> greycat: the amount of useful stuff that i lost by not configuring bash history or not using screen is... large
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• 2437[20:31:18] <_abc_> open R...m /bin/sh for debian replaced-url
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• 2439[20:31:37] <greycat> been seeing a different link for that in #bash for a few days
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• 2442[20:32:40] * _abc_ assumes it was not incompetence but stupidity, like a zero budget intern tasked to do the install script
• 2443[20:32:44] <V7> jim: This was a model name "P3-1491-NNN"
• 2444[20:32:56] <_abc_> greycat: about the R?
• 2445[20:32:56] <V7> There're no any marks at all
• 2446[20:33:49] <physkets> jim: my laptop has 8GB; but it looks like qemu is looking at something else....
• 2447[20:34:00] <physkets> anyway, I'm attempting debootstrap right now
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• 2453[20:35:51] <_abc_> qemu is looking at something else?! qemu has a default ram size to use, it tries to guess something if you do not pass in params.
• 2454[20:36:02] <_abc_> Related: does usb work properly in wine now?
• 2455[20:36:16] <_abc_> In jessie and beyond? I have a legacy program I need to run
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• 2457[20:37:48] <physkets> _abc_: no, I didn't pass it anyting; that might have been the issue; I should've asked it to take ~2GB
• 2458[20:38:40] <_abc_> Ask it
• 2459[20:38:47] <jim> physkets, sounds like you have plenty of ram... you could give anywhere from 2g to 4g to the virtual guest
• 2460[20:38:51] <_abc_> I searched for wine and usb ... replaced-url
• 2461[20:39:40] <_abc_> Of course it's French.
• 2462[20:40:07] <hypn0> isn't wine an emulation layer, so usb should work?
• 2463[20:41:40] <_abc_> replaced-url
• 2464[20:42:11] <_abc_> hypn0: yes but it has no concept of native windows drivers, the usb devices have to be supported by the underlying linux or passed through via one of the userland libusb versions
• 2465[20:42:29] <_abc_> So that thread is amazing but hey in unix everything is a file, right?
• 2466[20:42:59] <hypn0> why use wine, there must be a native linux program
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• 2469[20:44:02] <hypn0> replaced-url
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• 2471[20:44:11] <_abc_> There is not, this is external dedicated hw from China with a Chinglish only gui interface that expectes windows xp
• 2472[20:44:18] <jim> physkets, I have a friend looking at what this motherboard is... maybe busy, dunno yet
• 2473[20:45:00] <physkets> jim: what d'you mean, looking at it?
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• 2475[20:46:12] <jim> physkets, the person might be able to read the google search hits
• 2476[20:46:47] <physkets> uh?
• 2477[20:47:12] <jim> wonder if I have the wrong nick
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• 2479[20:47:43] <jim> yeah I have the wrong nick, let's see...
• 2480[20:48:42] <physkets> :D
• 2481[20:49:12] <jim> V7, I have a person searching for your motherboard, who might be able to read the links
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• 2483[20:50:01] <V7> jim: What do you mean ?
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• 2492[20:57:16] <jim> V7, the overall goal here is what, to determine whether a debian can run on the motherboard, and if so which one?
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• 2509[21:16:25] <Xavi92> Hi there. I'm trying to install Debian 8 on an AMD K6-II-based computer, but the CD tray opens itself during the installation process at random
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• 2511[21:16:42] <Xavi92> Does anyone have a clue why this could be happening?
• 2512[21:16:48] <greycat> replace the CD-ROM with one that's not broken?
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• 2515[21:17:44] <Xavi92> It's a very old laptop, so replacing the CD-ROM drive is not an idea, unfortunately
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• 2518[21:18:37] <megaTherion> hmm K6-2... these days
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• 2520[21:18:48] <megaTherion> when L2 cache was not a thing for everyone
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• 2522[21:19:18] <megaTherion> or well rather L3 I guess
• 2523[21:19:21] <greycat> sounds like a waste of time to install an OS on this rectangular lap-heating device
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• 2527[21:19:59] <Xavi92> People likes throwing old hardware away just for the sake of being old
• 2528[21:20:08] <megaTherion> I dont :)
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• 2530[21:20:17] <greycat> that said, maybe it can boot from a USB drive, in which case perhaps writing the installer to a USB stick instead of a CD could work
• 2531[21:20:24] <megaTherion> or network
• 2532[21:20:30] <Xavi92> There is no support for that, unfortunately
• 2533[21:20:35] <Xavi92> No Ethernet port, either
• 2534[21:20:39] <megaTherion> then get ethernet
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• 2536[21:20:43] <megaTherion> no ethernet means no game
• 2537[21:21:01] <Xavi92> Only a USB Wi-fi adapter
• 2538[21:21:06] <megaTherion> uhhh
• 2539[21:21:15] <Xavi92> Which requires some non-free drivers that Debian asks me to look somewhere else
• 2540[21:21:20] <greycat> and you think this is going to be useful for...?
• 2541[21:21:29] <physkets> I'm folllowing this guide to install:
• 2542[21:21:31] <physkets> replaced-url
• 2543[21:21:33] <Xavi92> greycat: just for the sake of using Linux on such an old PC
• 2544[21:21:37] <physkets> and I'm stuck at
• 2545[21:21:43] <physkets> # apt install makedev
• 2546[21:21:50] <physkets> it says that no such package exists
• 2547[21:22:16] <greycat> then your source.list is mangled or you haven't run apt-get update
• 2548[21:22:20] <Xavi92> What Linux distro are you using?
• 2549[21:22:20] <greycat> sources.list *
• 2550[21:22:24] <Xavi92> Debian, I guess right?
• 2551[21:22:56] <physkets> greycat: what's the difference between 'apt update' and 'apt-get update'?
• 2552[21:23:03] <Xavi92> apt-get update is a backend for apt
• 2553[21:23:15] <Xavi92> Also, apt introduces a fancy progress bar at the bottom of the command line
• 2554[21:23:19] <greycat> physkets: basically no difference
• 2555[21:23:26] <greycat> one of them probably has colored output
• 2556[21:23:29] <Xavi92> I like fancy progress bars :)
• 2557[21:23:31] <physkets> ah, cool
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• 2559[21:23:50] <physkets> in that guide link above,
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• 2561[21:24:03] <JoeD> Hi
• 2562[21:24:04] <physkets> is it necessary to perform the "Create device files" step?
• 2563[21:24:14] <physkets> and when is it needed?
• 2564[21:24:18] <dcabro> hi guys, I have an [atd] process which consumes all of the cpu. I don't have atd package installed. What is it and how to debug it?
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• 2566[21:24:34] <greycat> atd is in the "at" package
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• 2569[21:24:56] <physkets> this is the link: replaced-url
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• 2571[21:25:13] <JoeD> I'm trying to install debian, but the first install didn't have any sudo and I was unable to "apt update". Also didn't figured out how to install sudo; su didn't work as well
• 2572[21:25:17] <greycat> physkets: we are not going to read the release notes TO you. Read then yourself and do what they say.
• 2573[21:25:21] <Ouroboros> hm, you say this progress bar is fancy?
• 2574[21:25:31] <greycat> JoeD: use su.
• 2575[21:25:32] <dcabro> greycat: don't have "at" installed either
• 2576[21:25:35] <JoeD> Sendond attempt was with a live gnome image, and the system didn't want to login
• 2577[21:25:36] <Blueeyez> Ive installed Debian with KDE De in virtualbox. I've noticed theres no high contrast theme. Is that a theme i should install next to all this?
• 2578[21:25:44] <JoeD> greycat: I did, it also gave errors
• 2579[21:25:56] <physkets> greycat: I did read it; it says "For the next steps of the installation additional device files may be needed."
• 2580[21:25:56] <JoeD> greycat: su, enter password, try apt update, nothing
• 2581[21:26:10] <greycat> impossible.
• 2582[21:26:11] <JoeD> Now I'm stuck with a fresh install of ubuntu lol
• 2583[21:26:27] <greycat> Oh, you're not using Debian? Then go to #ubuntu.
• 2584[21:26:36] <JoeD> I'm trying to using debian
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• 2586[21:26:42] <JoeD> To move to debian
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• 2590[21:27:18] <LtL> JoeD: don't install using 'live' images... bad mojo
• 2591[21:27:27] <JoeD> My ethernet is qualcomm card, and touchpad is synaptics. Do I need the firmware images?
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• 2593[21:27:38] <JoeD> LtL: I tried with Dvd-1 image first
• 2594[21:27:49] <greycat> If it has a touchpad, it's a laptop, and therefore it almost ALWAYS needs non-free firmware.
• 2595[21:27:56] <JoeD> LtL: I found something about a bug where debian wouldn't put sudo
• 2596[21:28:02] <greycat> IT IS NOT A BUG
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• 2598[21:28:14] <JoeD> lol
• 2599[21:28:16] <JoeD> A feature?
• 2600[21:28:18] <Ouroboros> JoeD: i think that sudo does not get installed by default unless you provide a blank password for root during the install
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• 2602[21:28:24] <greycat> correct.
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• 2604[21:28:30] <JoeD> Ouroboros: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
• 2605[21:28:35] <JoeD> I did put a password for root
• 2606[21:28:39] <JoeD> and a different one for user
• 2607[21:28:41] <greycat> And you never install with a Debian Live image.
• 2608[21:28:45] <Ouroboros> JoeD: but su should always work
• 2609[21:28:45] <greycat> !firmware images
• 2610[21:28:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 2611[21:28:54] <greycat> Use one of those ^^
• 2612[21:28:56] <physkets> greycat: installing any package fails with the following errors:
• 2613[21:28:56] <JoeD> greycat: firmware images?
• 2614[21:29:04] <greycat> See the bot's response.
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• 2616[21:29:13] <physkets> E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - posix_openpt (19: No such device)
• 2617[21:29:21] <greycat> physkets: fix your computer.
• 2618[21:29:21] <physkets> dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
• 2619[21:29:22] <dpkg> physkets: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
• 2620[21:30:01] <JoeD> I tried live image because ubuntu images are so smaller compared to Dvd 1 2 3
• 2621[21:30:11] <JoeD> I was afraid of putting to much packages I don't really use
• 2622[21:30:13] <greycat> USE THE NETINST
• 2623[21:30:33] <JoeD> greycat: Also afraid of bad connection and packages bein corrupted
• 2624[21:30:53] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2625[21:30:54] <Ouroboros> netinst with no additional tasks selected will produce about a 2GB install
• 2626[21:30:55] <JoeD> greycat: I'm would rather download image and checksum
• 2627[21:31:16] <greycat> I'd rather not listen to any more idiotic mumblings from an ubuntu user. *plonk*
• 2628[21:31:29] <JoeD> Lol
• 2629[21:31:54] <Ouroboros> JoeD: apt already verifies checksums and signatures
• 2630[21:32:09] <physkets> dpkg replaced-url
• 2631[21:32:09] <dpkg> wish i knew, physkets
• 2632[21:32:16] <greycat> Want to know why we aggressively push ubuntu users out of our channel? Because you are all STUPID.
• 2633[21:32:23] <Ouroboros> or dpkg, whichever
• 2634[21:32:49] <JoeD> Ok, I'll try net install with firmware packages
• 2635[21:33:02] <JoeD> Wish me luck to move on!!
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• 2638[21:34:10] <physkets> This is the error I get when I try to install a pacakge:
• 2639[21:34:12] <physkets> replaced-url
• 2640[21:34:34] <JoeD_> I've just hit my ethernet cable
• 2641[21:34:39] <greycat> physkets: fix your computer. I'm guessing it's not even a computer. It's probably a VM or a container or a chroot or something and you didn't do it right.
• 2642[21:35:01] <physkets> greycat: I'm trying to install using debootstrap
• 2643[21:35:01] <greycat> are you fucki....
• 2644[21:35:17] <greycat> 15:35 Ignoring ALL from JoeD_
• 2645[21:35:39] <greycat> physkets: then follow the bot's instructions. Or the install guide's instructions.
• 2646[21:35:51] <physkets> that is what I'm doing
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• 2648[21:35:59] <physkets> I'm currently chrooted into it
• 2649[21:36:14] <greycat> and ...?
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• 2651[21:36:20] <physkets> I'm at step D.3.4.1. Create device files
• 2652[21:36:26] <physkets> of replaced-url
• 2653[21:36:38] <physkets> and it asks me to install 'makedev'
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• 2655[21:36:44] <physkets> but then I see that error
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• 2662[21:39:25] <greycat> physkets: well, if that ain't working then stop following that one. I asked "/msg dpkg debootstrap" and it gave me a wiki page.
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• 2665[21:39:58] <greycat> The wiki page has two commands for setting up stable in a deboostrap. And one of them is mkdir.
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• 2667[21:40:15] <greycat> At a guess, your debootstrap command didn't WORK and you didn't bother SEEING that it didn't work.
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• 2674[21:41:18] <physkets> it looked like it worked; it didn't give any errors
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• 2681[21:44:06] <greycat> Well then my second guess is you didn't chroot completely.
• 2682[21:44:07] <greycat> !chroot
• 2683[21:44:08] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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• 2686[21:46:12] <expert975> Is it possible to combine RAID LVM and full disk encryption?
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• 2688[21:47:41] <physkets> greycat: ah
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• 2692[21:51:11] <physkets> greycat: will doing "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" affect my regular machine's /dev ?
• 2693[21:51:40] <jolt> expert975: Yes, you can encrypt the lvm part
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• 2696[21:52:08] <greycat> depends on what you do inside /target/dev
• 2697[21:52:29] <jolt> expert975: And RAID is below LVM, so it doesn't change anything
• 2698[21:53:42] <expert975> jolt: I'm having a hard time understanding what goes where in this setup
• 2699[21:53:46] <jolt> expert975: ...as long as you don't use LVM-RAID (which is just a wrapper for mdadm anyway)
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• 2702[21:54:45] <jolt> expert975: First create the raid with the physical disk and you will get a partition, make lvm onto of that and encrypt it
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• 2753[22:21:52] <Ouroboros> actually, why is the installer its own thing instead of just being live? it is a bit annoying that stuff works slightly differently in the installer
• 2754[22:22:27] <greycat> Different teams of people?
• 2755[22:23:06] <annadane> the live images afaik are unofficial anyway and maybe they just didn't want to combine installer + live enviro
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• 2757[22:23:24] <Ouroboros> there are probably also compatibility reasons
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• 2760[22:23:38] <greycat> I basically ignore the Live images entirely. If you pretend they don't exist, and never think about them or talk about them, then nothing about them matters.
• 2761[22:23:48] <greycat> Until some poor unfortunate noob comes into #debian having tried one.
• 2762[22:23:50] <Ouroboros> but it would be nice if things were completely identical
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• 2764[22:24:31] <annadane> i have to keep a live image around, for when sid goes horribly wrong
• 2765[22:24:42] <tharkun> I have 2 files one is a video the other is the audio of the same time lapse. A well recorded audio file. What is the weapon of choice to merge the two files together?
• 2766[22:25:01] <annadane> (though really it's debateable if i even need that)
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• 2768[22:25:47] <bites> tharkun: ffmpeg
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• 2770[22:26:13] <Ouroboros> greycat: it is not about live but about the fact that the environment in the installer is not the same as in the final installed system
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• 2774[22:26:31] <Ouroboros> greycat: kernel differences, networking differences, etc
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• 2784[22:32:31] <Johnkcg> Does someone here knows about debian powerpc?
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• 2788[22:34:11] <Johnkcg> Cause I have two projects I would like to make use
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• 2791[22:34:54] <annadane> powerpc itself was discontinued in stretch but there's a port
• 2792[22:35:03] <Johnkcg> Well
• 2793[22:35:12] <Johnkcg> Here is the deal
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• 2795[22:35:33] <Johnkcg> I have an Apple cube, I found it for 10 dolars
• 2796[22:35:55] <Johnkcg> With everything working, but Leopards OS is old af
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• 2798[22:36:32] <Johnkcg> Is 1gb ram and 450 mhz, what you would recommend to do with it Debian Community?
• 2799[22:36:47] <expert975> Is there any benefit to using anything other than a single partition for the whole system?
• 2800[22:36:57] <greycat> figure out the newest version of Debian that *can* be installed on it?
• 2801[22:37:06] <Johnkcg> Yes
• 2802[22:37:12] <Johnkcg> Debían 8.10
• 2803[22:37:13] <annadane> i mean jessie still runs on it
• 2804[22:37:17] <Johnkcg> Powerpc
• 2805[22:37:19] <annadane> but yeah that's not ideal
• 2806[22:37:29] <greycat> why not? too new? should he go wheezy?
• 2807[22:37:30] <Johnkcg> Will it run on it? Maybe
• 2808[22:37:36] <Johnkcg> Will it do well
• 2809[22:37:52] <greycat> depends on what you try to do
• 2810[22:37:53] <annadane> well, it's in LTS now
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• 2812[22:38:17] <Johnkcg> I use Fedora as main diestro and Im going to be humble and honest
• 2813[22:38:44] <Johnkcg> I know basic things of Linux, Ican put a SSd on the cube
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• 2815[22:38:59] <Johnkcg> Will it be worth the effort?
• 2816[22:39:07] <greycat> CPU and memory will still be slow, and 1 GB could be tight if you try to run a modern web browser with a lot of open tabs
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• 2818[22:39:17] <greycat> But it's not going to be useless.
• 2819[22:39:28] <Johnkcg> Well, I can upgrade ram to two gb
• 2820[22:39:33] <Johnkcg> Processor also
• 2821[22:39:50] <Johnkcg> But the processor upgrade is nowhere to be found
• 2822[22:40:01] <Johnkcg> Is just like they dissapeared
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• 2825[22:41:15] <Johnkcg> In conclusion, I can upgrade the cube to two gb of ram and a SSD, will it run decently on Jessie?
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• 2827[22:41:45] <greycat> Again, depends on what you try to do with it. It won't be a good high-end 3d gaming platform.
• 2828[22:42:07] <Johnkcg> For basic libreoffice and browsing
• 2829[22:42:22] <Johnkcg> Will it be enough Grey at?
• 2830[22:42:31] <Ouroboros> you can probably run contra
• 2831[22:42:32] <Johnkcg> Greycat?*
• 2832[22:42:39] <greycat> Try it and see.
• 2833[22:43:24] <Johnkcg> Well, considering that is a 15+ years system
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• 2835[22:43:34] <Johnkcg> Gaming would kill it
• 2836[22:44:02] <Johnkcg> And replacement parts for old macs is impossible
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• 2839[22:45:24] <Johnkcg> Well, thanks for the info, I am going to put the cube in top shape with Jessie
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• 2863[23:01:46] <jhutchins_wk> expert975: Yes there are benefits, but for general computing and if you're not sure where data will end up, I prefer the single partition (+ swap).
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• 2871[23:05:27] <mefistofeles> expert975: also if you use a FS with subvolumes it may not be necessary
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• 2873[23:05:57] <expert975> What would be the benefits?
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• 2878[23:07:09] <mefistofeles> expert975: it allows using different filesystems for different partitions, as in, there are FS which handle better certain types of files and such
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• 2880[23:07:38] <mefistofeles> expert975: you can also use the same partition for different systems or containers and such, without redundancy of data
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• 2884[23:09:46] <expert975> mefistofeles: how about full disk encryption? Will I have to type the password once for every partition?
• 2885[23:10:02] <mefistofeles> expert975: yes
• 2886[23:10:05] <mefistofeles> well, depends
• 2887[23:10:11] <mefistofeles> on your setup
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• 2889[23:10:23] <mefistofeles> but in general you will have a password for each partition, yes
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• 2893[23:11:48] <expert975> mefistofeles: How can I avoid that?
• 2894[23:12:24] <mefistofeles> expert975: one way is using LVM and setting it up properly
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• 2912[23:25:40] <Ouroboros> expert975: if you don't know why you need multiple partitions, then you don't need multiple partitions
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• 2923[23:30:07] <Abcdefg> Hello. I'm having trouble with keyboard layout. I change the layout through terminal, but on reboot it changes back to the wrong one.
• 2924[23:30:27] <Abcdefg> How to set the proper ABNT keyboard I want in a way it doesn't reset wrongly?
• 2925[23:30:30] <Ouroboros> expert975: i recommend just /boot on ext4 and / on luks->ext4, and leave some space unpartitioned in case you want to experiment with something else later
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• 2927[23:31:33] <Ouroboros> expert975: everything else just adds unnecessary complexity, unless you really know why it is neceessary
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• 2960[23:49:29] <unkmar> I've googled and find nothing. I have USB ports that are now refusing to respond to one particular usb device. It is usb audio and hid. If I reboot everything will be fine until the computer the ports have issues again.
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• 2962[23:49:52] <unkmar> Who can I reset/reboot the usb system without rebooting the computer?
• 2963[23:50:00] <unkmar> *how can I.
• 2964[23:50:40] <unkmar> It is as if that device is blacklisted until reboot.
• 2965[23:51:20] <unkmar> I am okay for a little while. but eventually I run out of alternate usb ports until I am forced to reboot. :(
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• 2973[23:53:16] <unkmar> I've googled and find nothing. I have USB ports that are now refusing to respond to one particular usb device. It is usb audio and hid. If I reboot everything will be fine until the computer the ports have issues again.
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