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1 [00:00:09] <tree25> even with 320x240@30fps
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5 [00:01:08] <hxmuller> tree25: based on that link, it looks like you require usb3 cameras
6 [00:01:31] <hxmuller> If you want to have multiple usb cameras attached
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9 [00:02:37] <tree25> hxmuller: simple usb 3.0 camera's are hard to find
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11 [00:02:46] <tree25> it's all usb 2.0
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30 [00:08:34] <Ouroboro> dhollinger: are you distributing this somehow?
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40 [00:16:45] <tree25> hxmuller: it should actually possible to run the camera's simultiously, because the camera's are requesting too much budget
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42 [00:16:56] <tree25> so it is a software prblem
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65 [00:28:27] <tree25> I am searching for 630x480@30fps usb 3.0 camera
66 [00:29:15] <tree25> 50$
67 [00:29:31] <tree25> not 500$
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106 [00:55:52] <josefig> hi guys, someone has configured correctly the magic mouse on debian 9 ? I have some issues, like a simple click is not detected sometimes or even closes the window from status bar
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118 [01:01:27] <hxmuller> I just had a problem with a dell pixart optical mouse. Research indicated an hid quirk might be in order. Switched it out with an identical mouse, problem went away.
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144 [01:16:01] <Pakaran> Hi, I just started a VM that had been hibernating for several weeks, and it's refusing to update with the following: replaced-url
145 [01:16:08] <Pakaran> Apparently ntpdate got removed at some point
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161 [01:22:16] <somiaj> Pakaran: systemd in stretch has a timesync tool that should be running
162 [01:23:03] <tabakhase> also "ntpdate-debian" should be a thing
163 [01:23:18] <somiaj> The service is systemd-timesyncd, check out that service with systemctl
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165 [01:23:41] <somiaj> usually ntpdate is not suggested, and ntpd is prefered (an actual daemon). You could also just use 'date' to change the time
166 [01:23:46] <somiaj> well date/time
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179 [01:31:36] <Pakaran> thanks guys
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182 [01:33:22] <tree25> How do you run multiple webcams on a single usb 3.0 controller?
183 [01:33:34] <tree25> This can be solved in software
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422 [04:28:03] <trinity84> Hi all
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443 [04:44:36] <rant> what are thoughts on encrypting a whole 1tb passport vs just a partition that takes up the whole drive?
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445 [04:44:50] <rant> more often than not with my thumbdrives I dont even partition it
446 [04:45:32] <rant> are there any concerns to just luksFormat /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1?
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454 [04:54:24] <rant> hmm found a good enough answer to this.. which is dont do it.. heh
455 [04:54:30] <m0rd3cai> hey guys, im trying to disable a drive with blacklist. the only problem im having is choosing which is my sound card and which is my microphone.
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457 [04:54:46] <rant> apparently it makes it easier to screw up the header when not using a partition
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459 [04:55:16] <m0rd3cai> i did 'less /proc/asound/modules' and I see 2 options, 0 snd_hda_intel then 1 snd_hda_intel. anyway to tell which is my microphone?
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463 [04:58:07] <rant> m0rd3cai: is english not your first langauge?
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465 [04:58:54] <m0rd3cai> no my keyboard is crap.
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467 [04:59:06] <rant> first of all "disable a drive" implies a disk, if you me "driver" we call those modules.
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469 [04:59:24] <m0rd3cai> microphone module is what im referring to
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471 [04:59:38] <rant> secondly your microphone is not seen as a piece of hardware by the kernel unless it is a sound card itself
472 [04:59:42] <rant> i.e. a USB one
473 [04:59:59] <m0rd3cai> so its disable sound card completely or not do it?
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476 [05:00:36] <rant> disabling a microphone is usually done by unplugging it, switching it off, or using the mixer
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478 [05:00:51] <m0rd3cai> its onboard in my laptop :-/
479 [05:01:11] <rant> well you should still be able to mute the channel in tthe mixer
480 [05:01:27] <rant> and plugging one in should override the internal one
481 [05:01:51] <m0rd3cai> awesome, thanks rant
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489 [05:06:48] <rant> usaully on devices with jacks and internal speakers/mic the jack is a switch that inserting a jack pushes the switch open turning off the internal devices
490 [05:07:13] <Ouroboro> he left
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498 [05:11:04] <Ouroboro> re encrypting drive vs partition, the only difference should be 1MiB of extra header, if you are not in the habit of issuing random raw write commands as root, then i do not see why it would be any more or less dangerous
499 [05:11:33] <Ouroboro> and you should be backing up the luks header regardless
500 [05:12:52] <jtay> EXIT
501 [05:12:55] <jtay> LOL
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511 [05:25:07] <rant> yes.. I ignore joins/parts/quits in here
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514 [05:25:42] <rant> and I see your point and I never had an issue before but badly designed programs on any given machine may think the drive is blank and mess witth it
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516 [05:26:03] <rant> and there seems to be no real advantage to not using a partition table
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527 [05:30:18] <Ouroboro> i do not think that any standard linux programs would, but no comment about badly designed installers or other oses
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529 [05:31:05] <Ouroboro> and, yeah, there is no point, except for some abstract notion of cleanliness, i suppose
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531 [05:31:44] <rant> yeah its a bit simpler to not type that one whole char :P
532 [05:32:57] <Ouroboro> then again, this is commonly done for other uses, so why not, if you feel like it
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542 [05:37:08] <Javabean> what on earth... thats twice today stretch has hardlocked on this system
543 [05:37:28] <Ouroboro> but definitely back up the luks header if you feel that a problem may happen, the data is absolutely unrecoverable without it
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545 [05:38:18] <Ouroboro> Javabean: did you check for bugs?
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547 [05:38:24] <Ouroboro> roaches and such
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549 [05:39:22] <Javabean> dusted yesterday before installing stretch... on a system that had 160+days uptime
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553 [05:40:44] <Javabean> 160+days uptime on debian jessie
554 [05:40:50] <Ouroboro> maybe you dusted too much
555 [05:41:23] <Ouroboro> i usually run memtest for a while after such manipulations
556 [05:41:41] <Javabean> i didn't notice anything, i popped it back open when i got home for work to check for that (system had hardlocked while i was gone)
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558 [05:43:01] <Ouroboro> reseating the ram may be worthwhile
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563 [05:46:48] <Javabean> and i lost audio... wtf
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566 [05:49:00] <Mysterytrain> wow that was fun. I started up my bo and I was getting absolutely no keyboard input, could not select my boot device or anything. then I went dwon behind the computer and discovered the KB was plugged intot he mouse slot (ps2)
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570 [05:51:27] <Ouroboro> Mysterytrain: this was the main reason for the invention of usb
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572 [05:51:39] <Mysterytrain> yeah. talk about a desk/head moment
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574 [05:52:08] <Ouroboro> Mysterytrain: but they did not realize that usb and rj45 plugs are interchangeable... which is why they then had to invent usb-c
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577 [05:53:48] <Nautilus_> that seems odd
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588 [06:00:41] <whjms> This might be a general Linux question, but has anyone had issues with keyboard keys periodically 'sticking' and lagging when the keyboard is plugged into a specific USB bus? I'd blame hardware, but the keyboard works fine in windows
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597 [06:03:10] <rant> nope.. that only happened to me over ssh due to lag.. and I swiched to mosh
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611 [06:14:25] <Ouroboro> whjms: are there any usb errors in dmesg?
612 [06:15:00] <whjms> Nope, just messages about detecting/adding the HID device
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614 [06:15:10] <Ouroboro> just once?
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616 [06:16:06] <whjms> Yep, it doesn't seem like the keyboard was getting disconnected or anything like that. I switched USB ports so it's not a huge deal, just a curious annoyance
617 [06:17:12] <Ouroboro> then no idea, but usb is a pos, so who knows
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622 [06:20:14] <rant> usually you'd see usb descriptor read errors if there was a problem with the port/cable or device
623 [06:20:53] <rant> though who knows you could've had a lot of bandwidth in use on that partticular bus or something
624 [06:21:45] <Ouroboro> that was my thought as well
625 [06:22:27] <Ouroboro> but you know the solution to most usb problems...
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853 [08:49:37] <tdn> I have an IBM Thinkpad T42 with a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG wifi card. It does not seem to work on a vanilla Debian 9 32 bit installation. How do I fix this?
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855 [08:49:46] <tdn> Do I need ndis wrapper or something like that?
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857 [08:50:53] <divagante> hello! ndis we no longer use.
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859 [08:51:56] <divagante> tdn, please, you can do on the equipment a command: "lspci" and paste your output here
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865 [08:53:22] <divagante> tdn, Will you have ethernet?
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934 [09:23:23] <melissa666> I have a laptop with wifi and ethernet. I want to make it use wifi for internet, and I want it to act as a DHCP server over ethernet, so that when I plug ethernet cable from laptop to raspberry pi, the laptop will assign IP to the pi. Can I do this?
935 [09:23:49] <somiaj> It is possible to do that.
936 [09:23:54] <megaTherion> melissa666: yes.
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938 [09:24:17] <melissa666> what term would I look up to learn how? I'm having trouble finding info
939 [09:24:30] <megaTherion> nothing specific term, its just networking stuff
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942 [09:24:47] <megaTherion> what kind of info are you looking for?
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944 [09:24:52] <megaTherion> network topology details?
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947 [09:25:17] <melissa666> megaTherion, no, more like debian configuration details. i.e. how would I configure my debian laptop to do that?
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952 [09:25:53] <mutante> melissa666: i would start by searching for available DHCP servers with "apt-cache search dhcpd"
953 [09:25:54] <megaTherion> melissa666: setting DHCPd up isnt absolutly debian specific - I'd rather focus more on the dhcpd and networking part :)
954 [09:26:00] <mutante> then pick one of them and install the package
955 [09:26:19] <mutante> which probably means isc-dhcp-server
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957 [09:26:51] <mutante> then find out the MAC of the Raspberry IP and add it to DHCP config
958 [09:27:16] <mutante> how your laptop goes online seems secondary/unrelated
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960 [09:27:23] <megaTherion> indeed
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962 [09:28:12] <megaTherion> wasnt there ##networking too?
963 [09:28:32] <tdn> divagante, lspci: 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
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965 [09:28:37] <tdn> divagante, I do have ethernet
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968 [09:29:08] <mutante> it might be as little as one line to installt he package, one line to edit in config file and starting service. done
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970 [09:29:47] <megaTherion> well I guess one should be concious about what net to use and maybe not to overrule another DHCPd on the net
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972 [09:30:29] <megaTherion> despite they are physically seperated, not using the same net as on the wifi link might be a good idea ;)
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975 [09:31:12] <melissa666> yeah, part of it is my lack of understanding of networking stuff probably, but I was more concerned with things like how to keep from running dhcp server available on my wifi. I only want it running on ethernet ... but y'all are right - that's more of a dhcp config question than debian probably ;)
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979 [09:31:40] <megaTherion> melissa666: you define it within the config file on which networks its supposed to listen on
980 [09:32:29] <Kurogane> Hello, there is any tools to see what app cause high load in the past hours?
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984 [09:33:47] <megaTherion> Kurogane: past in time?
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986 [09:33:50] <Haohmaru> if there was nothing "recording" the past hours - it's gone
987 [09:34:00] <megaTherion> that was just what I was about to say ;)
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990 [09:36:46] <Kurogane> I've specify time or random times when the load is too high for example yesterday at 5:00PM load very high but i miss it to see it so i want to check what happen that hour.
991 [09:37:08] <megaTherion> I'd simply suggest you check it next time the load is high
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995 [09:40:01] <Haohmaru> there's a tool for that sort of thing in windows (but i'm not sure if it's meant to be ran for hours recording) so i guess there might be something similar for linux
996 [09:40:04] <jolt> Kurogane: You can use atop for long term analytics
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1009 [09:45:01] <Xtreme> Hello Everyone, I have shifted my mysql data directory from /var/lib/mysql to /home/me/mysql. Everything is working smooth. no issues. no errors. I configured apparmour as well. Only problem is, I cannot upgrade mysql. It gets "hung" at "Setting up mysql-server-5.7 (5.7.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1)". I do get following warning "insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `mysql' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).". But with quick google
1010 [09:45:01] <Xtreme> i found out it got nothing to do with the problem i am facing. Previously, how I used to solve this issue is moving the data directory back to /var/lib/mysql and then moving it back after upgrade. But I want to stop doing that. I am currently trying to upgrade with apt-get upgrad and since its stuck, i need to do "dpkg --configure -a".
1011 [09:45:30] <Xtreme> After discussing it in #mysql, we concluded that its nothing to do with mysql but with apt/dpkg.
1012 [09:45:38] <Xtreme> Can someone please advice?
1013 [09:45:55] <Haohmaru> ubuntu?
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1015 [09:46:03] <Xtreme> Yeah.
1016 [09:46:14] <Haohmaru> you entered the wrong door
1017 [09:46:25] <Xtreme> isnt Ubuntu debian based?
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1020 [09:46:43] <jolt> Xtreme: can you symlink? ln -s /home/me/mysql /var/lib/mysql and see if that works?
1021 [09:46:45] <Xtreme> Directly coming to the father instead of knocking on the son's door.
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1023 [09:46:55] <Xtreme> jolt, i tried that. i didnt work.
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1025 [09:47:20] <tdn> divagante, what to do with the lspci output?
1026 [09:47:40] <Xtreme> jolt, what should be the apparmour config after symlink?
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1028 [09:48:33] <divagante> identify the wireless, paste it here.
1029 [09:48:48] <jolt> Xtreme: NFI. I don't use it
1030 [09:48:58] <jolt> ANd I also don't move my mysql partitions
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1033 [09:49:35] <Xtreme> How can i see dpkg logs to see what exactly is going wrong?
1034 [09:51:22] <jolt> Xtreme: if you want more output from the pre/post hook, just edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/file.(pre|post) and add -x after #!/bin/sh
1035 [09:52:20] <jolt> (if you have already tried --debug on dpkg)
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1039 [09:53:58] <Xtreme> yup trie dthat
1040 [09:54:00] <Xtreme> no luck
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1043 [09:55:16] <jolt> Xtreme: Well, since you are running Ubuntu and haven't pasted any logs, I conclude that we are out of guesswork now. Good luck!
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1045 [09:55:44] <Xtreme> jolt, the only reason i didnt paste logs is coz i dont have them... And I am looking for the same.
1046 [09:56:04] <Xtreme> So if you can point mt to the direction where i will get more logs then what I have pasted above, it will help me as well
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1048 [09:56:09] <mutante> Xtreme: /var/log/apt/history.log ?
1049 [09:56:16] <jolt> Xtreme: Well, you say "didn't work", but we don't know what didn't work, so we are just guessing here
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1051 [09:56:18] <SwedeMike> beak: /win 207
1052 [09:56:20] <SwedeMike> oops
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1054 [09:56:27] <jolt> SwedeMike: Thats a lot of windows!
1055 [09:56:28] <mutante> SwedeMike: close some windows :)
1056 [09:56:49] <SwedeMike> this is windows 585. I don't have a problem with lots of windows.
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1058 [09:57:12] <SwedeMike> irssi handles these things just fine.
1059 [09:57:13] <Xtreme> mutante, pastebin?
1060 [09:57:19] <mutante> and i thought windows 98 was bad
1061 [09:57:45] <mutante> Xtreme: dont know, just saw you were lookign for "dpkg logs
1062 [09:57:50] <Xtreme> replaced-url
1063 [09:57:51] <mutante> and thought maybe he used apt
1064 [09:58:06] <Xtreme> mutante, jolt ^^
1065 [09:58:37] <mutante> Xtreme: ? yes, synaptic did something. context?
1066 [09:58:54] <mutante> btw, i dont know anything about synaptic
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1068 [09:59:02] <Xtreme> history.log of apt
1069 [09:59:15] <mutante> also i see "sury" in there. that tells me 3rd party repos
1070 [09:59:19] <mutante> and PHP 7.2 ?
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1072 [09:59:52] <Xtreme> mutante, its LAMP
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1075 [10:00:21] <jolt> Xtreme: can you run apt-get upgrade and paste the output as well
1076 [10:00:51] <Xtreme> jolt, Sure
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1092 [10:05:34] <Craig> hi, i have a strange problem with remmina on debian. it WAS installed, i went to use it and its gone! i went to reinstall it and i get a message saying its been moved out of incoming:
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1094 [10:05:47] <Craig> unmet dependencies: remmina : Depends: libssh-4 (>= 0.8.0~20170825.94fa1e38) but 0.7.3-2 is to be installed
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1098 [10:08:27] <Craig> it looks like it came from backports, not sure why it got removed
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1102 [10:09:21] <petn-randall> Craig: If in doubt, check /var/log/apt/history.log. It will tell you the whole story.
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1105 [10:09:56] <blaztek> Craig: use the libssh-4 from backports
1106 [10:10:45] <blaztek> I mean, that's the one it's looking for
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1153 [10:42:11] <brontosaurusrex> Besides nitrogen and feh, what else could one use to set wallpaper in openbox session? (Or a color) < In a way that tint2 would not be a black mess.
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1165 [10:48:50] <Iridos> brontosaurusrex, xset is the classic… but pretty horrible to use. And I don't think that the program you set a background picture with has anything to do with your problem with tint2
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1204 [11:06:48] <brontosaurusrex> Iridos: you are right of course, dowloading compton pkg did the trick
1205 [11:07:01] <dzove855> 10
1206 [11:07:06] <dzove855> heu sorry guys
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1213 [11:08:07] <brontosaurusrex> xsetroot should be fine as well i guess?
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1314 [11:53:04] <Craig> petn-randall: it seems that packagekit removed it, while trying to install remmina-common
1315 [11:53:12] <Craig> still not sure why it would do that
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1326 [11:57:43] <petn-randall> Craig: Share the output with us, and we can help you. → replaced-url
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1328 [11:58:14] <haasn> With `dpkg-divert`, is there an ability to completely delete a file instead of just renaming it? In theory I could move it to /some/place/that/doesn't/matter/ but I'm wondering if there's a "clean" solution
1329 [11:58:49] <petn-randall> haasn: Try /dev/null maybe?
1330 [11:58:55] <haasn> I tried that, fails overwriting /dev/null
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1340 [12:03:09] <Craig> petn-randall: replaced-url
1341 [12:03:26] <Craig> i dont have the original log entry to install remmina from backports, that seems to have been rotated out
1342 [12:03:46] <Craig> just the automatic removal at 11th June, and my reinstall today 12th June
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1355 [12:09:42] <petn-randall> Craig: No idea, does packagekit upgrade things automatically, or prompt first?
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1367 [12:15:49] <Craig> petn-randall: it prompts, but it didnt mention removing anything
1368 [12:16:04] <Craig> i only realised it had gone this morning when i came to remote into a pc
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1373 [12:21:01] <coffeecupp__> can someone tell me the best practice for handling accounts that need some root commands but not all??
1374 [12:21:13] <coffeecupp__> or point me in the right direction
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1376 [12:21:40] <slax0r> sudo
1377 [12:22:08] <coffeecupp__> slax0r: the root group??
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1379 [12:22:17] <slax0r> sudo is not a root group
1380 [12:22:25] <slax0r> sudo is a tool to execute commands as the super user
1381 [12:22:37] <coffeecupp__> what's the root group then?
1382 [12:22:47] <slax0r> you define which user and/or group may execute which commands with which arguments in the sudoers file
1383 [12:23:26] <slax0r> adding a user to the root group might allow them more permissions than you'd like
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1388 [12:25:23] <coffeecupp__> So the best practice would be to define a group with a certain level of access and assign a user to that group right?
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1395 [12:26:53] <petn-randall> coffeecupp__: Define "some root commands".
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1398 [12:27:48] <coffeecupp__> I guess the starting point would be apt-get??
1399 [12:27:50] <TyrfingMjolnir> For openssl How do I do mulitple IPs( one public and 3 local IPs ) for the same device cert?
1400 [12:27:54] <TyrfingMjolnir> CN=?
1401 [12:27:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> Multiple NICs on the same node, i e
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1404 [12:29:44] <slax0r> do you really want to allow some user a possibility to remove all packages from your system?
1405 [12:29:48] <petn-randall> coffeecupp__: It really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. You can for example add users to the sudo group, and then they can run any command as root by prepending it with sudo and then authenticating with their password.
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1408 [12:31:47] <coffeecupp__> Let me try and format my question better and get back to you??
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1410 [12:32:16] <coffeecupp__> coz at the moment I only really have a half idea of what I want
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1419 [12:36:50] <Mysterytrain> I want a coffeecupp__, that's what i want
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1421 [12:37:06] <Mysterytrain> wrestling with networking always does that to me
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1423 [12:37:31] <coffeecupp__> Mysterytrain: networking kills me
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1445 [12:53:08] <siraben> What do people use to read articles offline?
1446 [12:53:14] <siraben> I'm trying to find an alternative to Instapaper.
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1448 [12:53:27] <petn-randall> siraben: Some people buy a newspaper for that.
1449 [12:53:31] <siraben> I tried Liferea, but it doesn't fully save the articles
1450 [12:53:45] <siraben> petn-randall: Yes... but I don't get newspapers.
1451 [12:54:07] <petn-randall> siraben: Firefox Pocket maybe? Never tried it, though.
1452 [12:54:24] <siraben> petn-randall: What do you use?
1453 [12:54:51] <petn-randall> siraben: I usually just keep the tabs open and read them later when I'm in the train.
1454 [12:55:27] <siraben> petn-randall: I already downloaded Wikipedia for offline use with Kiwix (60.8 GB w/ images), but having the ability to save articles would be great.
1455 [12:56:09] <siraben> If anyone has ever used Safari on macOS, it has a great "save webpage for reading later" feature, I can't find an alternative on Debian.
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1457 [12:56:18] <Mysterytrain> I had that wikipedia dump at one point
1458 [12:56:33] <Mysterytrain> I wanted to find a way to convert everything to plain text, but I never got around to looking into a way
1459 [12:56:37] <siraben> petn-randall: Accessing the Pocket list from Firefox requires an internet connection.
1460 [12:56:53] <bites> i use zotero for research. the standalone application plus the browser plugin. saves a copy of what you view in the browser with some metadata, which you can then view in the standalone application.
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1463 [12:57:54] <mutante> /win 36
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1465 [12:58:16] <petn-randall> Yes, I used zotero too in the past.
1466 [12:58:40] <petn-randall> Though it does a lot more than just saving web articles.
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1468 [12:59:28] <siraben> petn-randall: Is it free software?
1469 [12:59:49] <bites> it's in debian too.
1470 [12:59:57] <bites> ,v zotero-standalone
1471 [12:59:58] <judd> Package: zotero-standalone on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 4.0.22-1~bpo70+1; buster: 4.0.29.16+dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.29.16+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.0.29.16+dfsg-1
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1479 [13:03:51] <siraben> bites: Wow thanks for recommending Zotero, fills my need to aggregate my reasearch
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1481 [13:04:37] <ZaZaQR> hello
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1483 [13:04:54] <ZaZaQR> i can't install debian
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1485 [13:05:11] <siraben> Why did dpkg quit?
1486 [13:05:14] <bites> siraben: no problem. i think you will need to install the browser plugin seperately.
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1488 [13:05:27] <siraben> bites: Is it easy to save the articles offlkine?
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1491 [13:05:37] <bites> it's just one click.
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1496 [13:06:47] <gunix> hey guys
1497 [13:06:56] <ZaZaQR> hi gunix
1498 [13:07:01] <gunix> how do you configure persistent SNAT iptables rule on debian 8 ?
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1500 [13:07:28] <petn-randall> gunix: reboot persistent?
1501 [13:07:37] <gunix> petn-randall: yes
1502 [13:08:16] <petn-randall> ,v iptables-persistent
1503 [13:08:17] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; buster: 1.0.4+nmu2; sid: 1.0.4+nmu2; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2
1504 [13:08:30] <petn-randall> gunix: Have you checked out this package yet? ^^^
1505 [13:08:45] <bites> siraben: you will also need zotero connector for your browser. replaced-url
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1507 [13:08:54] <gunix> petn-randall: i need something that can be injected with ansible
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1510 [13:12:09] <ZaZaQR> so i downloaded debian 9 cinnamon, i dd the command line to the usb flash drive, and used unetbootin, and usb-creator on ubuntu. i still can't get debian to live cd on the usb flash drive. is there another way?
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1512 [13:12:52] <petn-randall> ZaZaQR: unetbootin will break the image. What did not work with the documented way?
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1516 [13:13:54] <ZaZaQR> oh ic
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1519 [13:14:50] <petn-randall> ZaZaQR: In general, it's a better approach to look what went wrong instead of just trying more creative new ways. They might all have the same problem in common.
1520 [13:15:11] <ZaZaQR> i'm doing another dd if=/home of=/dev/
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1522 [13:17:22] <petn-randall> ZaZaQR: That's not the documented way, though, and I hope you'd be using different parameters.
1523 [13:18:05] <ZaZaQR> the documented way isn't easy
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1525 [13:19:09] <siraben> Thanks bites
1526 [13:19:18] <petn-randall> ZaZaQR: replaced-url
1527 [13:19:57] <petn-randall> ZaZaQR: How is that not easy? It has a whopping two commands in a grey box.
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1533 [13:23:54] <Axtroz> Hey everyone. Would anyone explain how does Debian 9 do hotplug when there's no support in the kernel?
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1539 [13:26:04] <well_laid_lawn> what do you mean by no support in the kernel ?
1540 [13:26:22] <Axtroz> I'm running 4.9.0-6 and there's no /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
1541 [13:26:22] <well_laid_lawn> what's not working ?
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1544 [13:28:08] <Axtroz> I'm building a system that runs from ramdisk. In the initial ramdisk I have busybox, a custom init script and a bunch of kernel modules. My hard disk is not auto detected, so I have to manually load modules with modprobe before I gain access to it.
1545 [13:28:42] <Axtroz> Few years back I had the same issue that was solved by `echo /sbin/mdev > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug` and that did module loading for me
1546 [13:29:34] <Axtroz> The primary OS works and hotplugging devices also works, as I've been attaching various usb devices to it and everything loads automatically, so I was just wondering how when /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug is not enabled?
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1549 [13:31:35] <petn-randall> Axtroz: I'm guessing that it got replaced by something else.
1550 [13:32:40] <Axtroz> Yep, same thoughts here. Was wondering with what :)
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1552 [13:33:51] <well_laid_lawn> udev is what is used now apparently
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1558 [13:34:17] <well_laid_lawn> replaced-url
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1568 [13:40:19] <Axtroz> Hm, I guess I'll have to recompile with hotplugging in /proc as I can't afford udev. Thanks guys!
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1573 [13:42:40] <siraben> What is the emoji package for Debian?
1574 [13:42:43] <siraben> Or unicode
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1595 [13:49:46] <kemisten2> whats the name of a shell scripting channel? vcant seem to find any
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1598 [13:51:48] <Mysterytrain> kemisten2: #bash
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1601 [13:52:38] <abrotman> hard to find, right?
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1603 [13:52:55] <abrotman> siraben: that probably depends on which application you want it for
1604 [13:53:23] <siraben> Emacs
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1611 [13:54:12] <offline> Mysterytrain: is that nickname related to the jim jarmusch movie?
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1613 [13:54:32] <Mysterytrain> never heard of it
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1617 [13:56:33] <bites> can i somehow get the netmask from ip a in ipv4 format instead of cidr notation like ifconfig did?
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1622 [14:02:39] <offline> c
1623 [14:02:49] <offline> bites: don't think so
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1629 [14:07:45] <jim> offline, hmm?
1630 [14:08:58] <jim> bites, the latest ip has output in json format, so you can pipe that into jq
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1632 [14:10:14] <jim> but the latest ip (from the git repo) isn't in debian yet (I don't think even sid or experimental have it)
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1645 [14:15:56] <bites> jim: and that shows the netmask in ipv4 format?
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1653 [14:20:15] <jim> bites, no, I had to put each of the possible ipv4 netmasks in a bash array, and pick out the cidr number to choose one of the netmasks to putput
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1655 [14:20:31] <jim> output
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1659 [14:22:10] <jim> I got the code in one of the helper scripts of the ipmasq calculator I'm working on
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1664 [14:24:20] <bites> i will just use ifconfig for now..
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1668 [14:25:43] <jim> lots of people are saying different things... and, ifconfig is going away at some point, it's deprecated... I'd suggest holding onto its source code
1669 [14:25:54] <jim> you'll eventually need to switch
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1672 [14:28:07] <bites> not in the forseeable future.
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1675 [14:29:18] <bites> why do you think i asked in the first place?
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1683 [14:31:50] <Night_Elf> ip generates json format output. Prepare coffee, when?
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1698 [14:36:24] <stealintv> #trivialand
1699 [14:36:24] <jelly> jim: net-tools (ifconfig being part of) are being maintained upstream again for some reason
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1701 [14:36:40] <jelly> stealintv: forgot /j ?
1702 [14:36:45] <stealintv> lol yep...
1703 [14:36:46] <stealintv> ops
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1705 [14:37:12] <Night_Elf> jelly: It's good news then.
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1712 [14:40:46] <jim> jelly, yep, heard that rumor... hope they can get what
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1714 [14:40:55] <jim> they need into it
1715 [14:41:18] <jim> and hope they can get some kind of xml or json option for output
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1719 [14:42:34] <zodd> hi. My apt update hangs at 0% using replaced-url
1720 [14:42:36] <jelly> iproute2 already has json so parse that if you have to and if you're on stretch or other new enough OS
1721 [14:42:43] <zodd> is there an issue with that server?
1722 [14:43:10] <jelly> zodd: it's a couple of servers, load balanced via DNS
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1725 [14:43:32] <jelly> zodd: are you behind some sort of a firewall maybe?
1726 [14:43:56] <zodd> jelly, yes, but strangely enough this happened multiple times. Other apt sessions work ok
1727 [14:44:23] <zodd> for instance this works ok: Get:1 replaced-url
1728 [14:44:53] <zodd> same for regular debian archive mirror
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1732 [14:46:11] <dgp> maybe use wireshark or tcpdump to see if the http requests are actually happening?
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1739 [14:49:38] <zodd> lynx replaced-url
1740 [14:49:47] <zodd> weird
1741 [14:50:00] <jelly> zodd: does it work any different if you «apt-get -o APT::EnableSrvRecords=false update»?
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1743 [14:50:28] <zodd> nope, same issue
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1747 [14:52:07] <zodd> hmm. it seems to stall on random lines in sources.list
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1750 [14:53:37] <mawk> problems like that pop up often for me
1751 [14:53:48] <mawk> I just try a dozen times and it finally works
1752 [14:53:53] <mawk> looks like some dns issue
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1756 [14:54:35] <dgp> When I have issues like that it's usually because it's trying an IPv6 address and my machine's routing for IPv6 is broken
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1763 [14:56:33] <zodd> it is a VM, I do not have that issue elsewhere on the network
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1767 [14:58:56] <sine0> folks how can I do a asterisk search in grep apt-cache
1768 [14:59:13] <sine0> apt-cache search php5.6 | grep ssl
1769 [14:59:14] <sine0> does not work
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1772 [14:59:40] <dgp> you can do apt-cache search php5.6 ssl
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1775 [15:00:23] <dgp> you probably want to do just php ssl though as it looks like php5.6 doesn't return anything
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1779 [15:00:58] <DrBunsen> Hello, I just installed mysql-server and it didn't prompt me for a password during the installation so I couldn't login to mysql, so I purged everything, same problem. Now to be sure I started a clean vm and installed mysql-server, same issue. I websearched, and started mysql in safe mode and overwrote the root password, no dice. Now I saw that in /etc/shadow that the password of the mysql user is a '!' so meaning it is locked(not sure w
1780 [15:00:58] <DrBunsen> hy I should look in shadow when the service starts, but this was a tip on the web). Is there anyone that can help me fix this problem?
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1786 [15:02:18] <tony_> hello
1787 [15:02:28] <dgp> DrBunsen: any password in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow would be for the user mysql runs as and not the root password within mysql itself
1788 [15:02:34] <tony_> has people?
1789 [15:02:56] <DrBunsen> dgp: That is what I thought, thanks.
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1791 [15:03:04] <petn-randall> tony_: Do you have a question?
1792 [15:03:20] <zodd> no DNS issue. Switched DNS providers.
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1795 [15:05:59] <DrBunsen> disregard my question, I just solved it, seems I have to start mysql with sudo the first time and then one can use the native password plugin to null the password to mysql.
1796 [15:06:12] <jim> tony_, hi
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1800 [15:07:31] <petn-randall> DrBunsen: Something seems broken on your system though, it should ask for it via debconf.
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1802 [15:08:39] <zodd> wierd. apt-get install works like a charm
1803 [15:08:55] <DrBunsen> petn-randall: I thought so too. But I tried it in a fresh vm, and the same happened. This solved it replaced-url
1804 [15:09:29] <DrBunsen> apt-getted the mysql-server package
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1807 [15:11:34] <jim> DrBunsen, oh, did you have a different (maybe self-compiled) version of mysql?
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1810 [15:11:57] <DrBunsen> jim: nope, all stable debian repo
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1816 [15:12:38] <petn-randall> DrBunsen: What does 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server' do on your system?
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1819 [15:13:03] <zodd> aptitude reveiled the problem: the method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found
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1823 [15:13:24] <jim> zodd, there's a package for that
1824 [15:13:45] <zodd> which was easily resolved by: apt-get install apt-transport-https
1825 [15:13:51] <jim> do you have https sources in your sources.list?
1826 [15:14:12] <jim> right that's the package
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1828 [15:14:42] <zodd> yes, thanks jim. No I have not, but apt-get update seems to rewrite to https, while apt-get just uses http
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1831 [15:15:17] <DrBunsen> petn-randall: It certainly doesn't return anything
1832 [15:15:22] <jim> you might need to either change your sources temporarily to non-https versions to get it, or else just download the package from sopme pool dir
1833 [15:15:43] <petn-randall> DrBunsen: You're running it on the terminal? Or through some tool?
1834 [15:15:44] <zodd> sources do not use http
1835 [15:16:13] <jim> zodd, what version of debian do you have (cat /etc/debian_version)?
1836 [15:16:17] <zodd> all sorted now. I installed the package and everything works now
1837 [15:16:17] <DrBunsen> petn-rendall: direct input on the vm
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1839 [15:16:25] <petn-randall> zodd: Why are you using https in your sources.list?
1840 [15:16:28] <jim> oh ok, good
1841 [15:16:30] <zodd> jim, Stretch
1842 [15:16:36] <zodd> petn-randall, I am not
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1845 [15:17:18] <jim> petn-randall, probably some of the mirrors are redirecting to https versions of themselves
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1848 [15:17:36] <zodd> hence my assumption apt-get upgrade/update resolve differently than apt-get does strangely enough
1849 [15:17:38] <petn-randall> jim: I'd be quite suprised if that was the case.
1850 [15:18:34] <zodd> I was/am surprised as well
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1856 [15:21:18] <tijeretas__> Didn't some Debian devs claim that using https is of little use to deb repos anyway since there are other security checks (reproducible builds,...) and the likelihood of someone actually adding a wild repo for the main deb packages is very slim? Most of us use very trusted local mirrors.
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1860 [15:23:13] <bites> yes, but not reproducible builds. that doesn't work with every package yet.
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1864 [15:24:21] <bites> debian uses signed files containing checksums to verify package integrity.
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1867 [15:24:53] <tijeretas__> yeah, forgot about that. anyway, it makes little sense other than on websites that you actually give private data to.
1868 [15:25:41] <bites> unless you want to hide which packages you download. then https and tor are an option.
1869 [15:26:08] <tijeretas__> see, I haven't thought about that. Thanks.
1870 [15:26:32] <tijeretas__> Although I wonder if that is a better way than just using repos that support Tor
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1872 [15:26:56] <bites> it's faster for sure. tor is terribly slow.
1873 [15:27:19] <tijeretas__> true
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1875 [15:27:49] <detha> https does not in any way hide which packages you download - there are very few collisions in package file size
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1882 [15:31:54] <jsavalle> anybody have worked with SMTPS around here? Postfix configured with smtps, openSSL client test working, yet I keep getting an error "A stable connection to the server could not be established." from the mail client
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1884 [15:32:18] <jsavalle> (working fine with STARTTLS for info)
1885 [15:32:25] <jelly> jsavalle: look at /var/log/mail.log for clues
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1890 [15:33:20] <jelly> jsavalle: pastebin your "postconf -n" and "postconf -Mf" output to see if your config makes sense, replaced-url
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1898 [15:34:48] <petn-randall> tijeretas__, bites, and even with https it only adds a thin level of obscurity to your package downloads. From the download size you can already deduce which package is being downloaded.
1899 [15:34:59] <jsavalle> jelly: ok
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1901 [15:35:41] <tijeretas__> petn-randall: tnx
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1905 [15:37:42] <bites> petn-randall: true, but i doubt that's being done on a massive scale. scanning for keywords on the other hand, especially in places like china where they do deep packet inspection on everything.
1906 [15:38:11] <jsavalle> replaced-url
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1910 [15:39:07] <petn-randall> bites: Point is, either it arrives at your host unadultered and the signature matches, or it doesn't. You can always manipulate HTTPS connections, too. The mirrors do not need to be trusted for secure apt to work.
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1912 [15:39:42] <bites> petn-randall: i know that. that's not what i was arguing.
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1914 [15:40:42] <bites> privacy, not security.
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1920 [15:41:58] <jelly> jsavalle: nothing obvious. You could define those mua_*_restrictions in main.cf, or get rid of them. to avoid warnings
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1923 [15:42:24] <petn-randall> bites: And I'm arguing the added privacy does not exist for above reasons.
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1930 [15:46:06] <jelly> jsavalle: FWIW, I can connect with: openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -connect mx.seineingenierie.com:465
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1934 [15:47:08] <jsavalle> yep, I have tried using openssl and indeed it worked. I'll comment out the undefined variable
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1937 [15:47:25] <jsavalle> but the var log mail give me some extra info
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1945 [15:49:46] <jsavalle> replaced-url
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1948 [15:50:06] <jsavalle> apparently some issue with SSL
1949 [15:50:12] <jsavalle> creating instability
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1955 [15:53:39] <jelly> jsavalle: which client software are you using and on which OS?
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1958 [15:54:07] <jsavalle> did the test with Spark on macos
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1962 [15:55:33] <jsavalle> but I need ultimately need it for a VB script in MS Access... (else I wouldn't bother with SMTPS)
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1968 [15:57:29] <jsavalle> maybe I should specify the root CA
1969 [15:57:46] <jsavalle> (SSL certificate generated from letsencrypt)
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1972 [15:58:12] <jelly> can you force spark not to try SSLv3 and SSLv2?
1973 [15:59:13] <jelly> I'm just guessing wildly, from search results for replaced-url
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1977 [16:02:50] <jelly> jsavalle: or explicitely disable sslv3 in postfix and see if that changes anything
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1981 [16:03:09] <jsavalle> thx ! I'll that one
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1988 [16:06:50] <jelly> smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
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1991 [16:07:33] <jsavalle> jelly: yeeessh! it worked
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1995 [16:09:39] <jelly> !win jsavalle
1996 [16:09:39] <dpkg> Congratulations, jsavalle! You have won the US presidency!
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1999 [16:11:10] <jelly> jsavalle: it is kind of possible that something somewhere is trying to MITM and force your traffic down to SSL v3 without you noticing </conspiracy>
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2001 [16:13:18] <jelly> or, more likely, random SSL libraries have bad defaults, and that includes openssl on debian 9 and whatever your spark thing on OSX uses
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2040 [16:29:44] <cryptocat1094> Hi, I was wondering, is there any current attempt to create a coreCLR package? A quick search didn't reveal anything, but that only proves I didn't manage to find one.
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2043 [16:31:14] <petn-randall> cryptocat1094: What would a coreCLR package do?
2044 [16:31:30] <cryptocat1094> petn-randall: It's the name for the open-source version of the .NET Core runtime.
2045 [16:31:50] <petn-randall> !rfp
2046 [16:31:51] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
2047 [16:32:12] <cryptocat1094> petn-randall: I'm aware of this, I was just wondering if I missed something while searching.
2048 [16:32:13] <petn-randall> cryptocat1094: You can check and, if not existing, file a RFP bug. ^^^
2049 [16:32:50] <petn-randall> cryptocat1094: If someone is working on this, they'd file a ITP (intent to package) bug.
2050 [16:32:56] <themill> I'd be surprised if the existing .net framework maintainers are not well ahead on this
2051 [16:32:59] <jelly> cryptocat1094: does "apt-cache search mono clr" not return anything?
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2053 [16:33:41] <cryptocat1094> jelly: Mono has some stability issues that made it less desirable.
2054 [16:33:54] <cryptocat1094> petn-randall: replaced-url
2055 [16:33:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2057 [16:34:41] <jelly> oh, you want actual MS .Net CLR, that was apparently open sourced recently?
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2075 [16:44:04] <jhutchins_wk> I thought stuff like that was better managed from the original publisher rather than waiting for it to go through the Debian vetting process.
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2079 [16:44:51] <jelly> stuff like what, libraries with a well defined and forward compatible API?
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2081 [16:45:34] <jelly> what do we need distros for then, get everything from github *tablethrow*
2082 [16:46:23] <cryptocat1094> jhutchins_wk: If it's for anything urgent, indeed. But I somewhat like the guarantees the Debian packaging process provides. The few alternatives I know that might be "better", Nix and Guix, suffer from inactive maintainers.
2083 [16:46:24] <dgp> jelly: distros are so you can get an initial version wget to download a docker image
2084 [16:46:27] <petn-randall> jelly: wget -O - replaced-url
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2091 [16:49:31] <cryptocat1094> jelly: Source-Based distros can have some practical issues when updating things, and possibly stability.
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2098 [16:51:05] <jelly> cryptocat1094: and yet every fucking language makes their own source-based package manager
2099 [16:51:22] <jelly> some have three
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2110 [16:53:21] <dgp> I like having loads of random packages locally installed all over the place with no hope of keeping them up to date or secure thanks ;)
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2114 [16:53:56] <colo-work> I'd love to relentlessly exterminate all this crap.
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2116 [16:54:00] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: I've worked with Wordpress and Drupal, and they have their own internal update managers. It's much more practical to use those than to wait for a Distro to release updates, and they both go extensively into extension modules that would be just too much for a distribution to maintain.
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2121 [16:54:20] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: They're well known and trustworthy.
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2124 [16:55:27] <jhutchins_wk> Then there are the minor upstream projects that get all pissy if you try to troubleshoot a bug with them and you haven't hand-compiled the latest and greatest from their private code repo.
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2128 [16:55:47] <jelly> we must have wildly different definitions of trust
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2130 [16:55:57] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: wordpress has no LTS releases, so you either fix your stuff to work with the new version, or bust. Also, their updater has had well known criticial issues in the past.
2131 [16:55:58] <zodd> I installed the Android SDK from Deb repo (Stretch). Where can I find the Android emulator? I see no ´android´ in the tools directory
2132 [16:56:59] <petn-randall> zodd: Emulator? IIRC it's not part of the Android SDK.
2133 [16:57:17] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Yes, and they've had very serious zero-day vulnerabilities.
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2137 [16:57:43] <petn-randall> zodd: Maybe you're looking for Android Studio? That's not packaged in Debian.
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2142 [16:58:05] <dgp> jhutchins_wk: I'm not sure how much worth wordpresses updater etc has when random bots inject code into all of wordpresses files including the updater
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2145 [16:59:04] <jhutchins_wk> There are paranoid speculators, and there are people who run hundreds of Wordpress sites for a living.
2146 [16:59:05] <ksk> its too late then for sure. but havin a picture about how wordpress is setup and maintained by a random wordpress user Id say the auto-update is a good thing.
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2154 [17:01:00] <cryptocat1094> Android Studio has licensing issues that make it unincludable in Debian.
2155 [17:01:14] <zodd> petn-randall, I noticed some articles on the net describing it to be in the SDK. Platform 24 is the same. However at closer look it seems the docs are from 2013/14 which is ancient in the Android world
2156 [17:01:38] <zodd> so the emu is only in Studio?
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2158 [17:02:39] <ksk> maybe ask the android people. when I installed SDK the time pokemon go came out it had a virtual mobile phone thingy included (on windows, that is)
2159 [17:02:44] <dgp> zodd: you can get the emulator via the package manager in the minimum SDK tarball thingy google ship
2160 [17:04:12] <zodd> dgp, thanks, I installed the SDK installer from debian repo. Hopefully the pm is in there as well. Although I hate package manager sideloading stuff next to apt ...
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2163 [17:05:54] <dgp> zodd: me too but once you load up the source for an android app it'll be downloading more packages from random sources either way so if you need AS you might as well just use the tarball for it
2164 [17:06:38] <zodd> dgp, do you know the name (or location) of the pm?
2165 [17:06:52] <dgp> I think it's just called "android"
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2168 [17:07:36] <RedSoxFan07> Hey folks!
2169 [17:07:58] <zodd> nope. Unless I did not install it
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2171 [17:08:42] <dgp> zodd: apparently it's now called "sdkmanager"
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2175 [17:08:58] <zodd> ty. Let me check
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2178 [17:09:28] <zodd> nope. Not installed :-(
2179 [17:10:03] <RedSoxFan07> I've done a fresh install of Debian 9 and I'm trying to install the nvidia-driver package from stretch backports (version 390.48). It's telling me that there are a bunch of dependencies for it which won't be installed because I've "held broken packages". What can I do?
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2182 [17:10:50] <zodd> RedSoxFan07, apt-get install -f
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2184 [17:10:57] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2185 [17:10:57] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2186 [17:10:59] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: ^
2187 [17:11:14] <jelly> before that, make sure you have contrib and non-free sources enabled properly
2188 [17:11:21] <jelly> !non-free sources
2189 [17:11:21] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
2190 [17:11:42] <jelly> if you have all that, this recipe ought to work:
2191 [17:11:45] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2192 [17:11:45] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2193 [17:12:03] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
2194 [17:12:04] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+3; buster/non-free: 390.48-3;
2195 [17:12:05] <judd> sid/non-free: 390.59-1
2196 [17:12:28] <jelly> not sure how well it works for backports tho.
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2199 [17:17:05] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: paste.debian.net/1028912
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2201 [17:18:31] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: if you can, put ALL the info into a single paste
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2203 [17:18:59] <RedSoxFan07> root@DebPlex:/home/joshua# apt -t stretch-backports install nvidia-driver
2204 [17:18:59] <RedSoxFan07> Reading package lists... Done
2205 [17:18:59] <RedSoxFan07> Building dependency tree
2206 [17:18:59] <RedSoxFan07> Reading state information... Done
2207 [17:18:59] <RedSoxFan07> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
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2209 [17:19:20] <jelly> !next
2210 [17:19:20] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2216 [17:23:44] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: I just got kicked off because the output was too large for debhelper.
2217 [17:24:01] <nkuttler> RedSoxFan07: paste.debian.net
2218 [17:24:02] <greycat> We saw.
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2221 [17:24:58] <RedSoxFan07> nkuttler: Yeah. That's what I did the first time. Then jelly asked me to paste the whole output here.
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2223 [17:25:32] <greycat> No, he asked you to put it all into a single paste, instead of spreading it across multiple pastes.
2224 [17:25:53] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: jelly told you to put all in a single *paste*. Besides, you've been here long enough to know the drill. :)
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2226 [17:26:24] <RedSoxFan07> I tried that and got kicked off.
2227 [17:26:30] <greycat> Are you dense?
2228 [17:26:34] <greycat> A single paste ON THE WEB SITE.
2229 [17:26:44] <nkuttler> RedSoxFan07: what you did was a flood, not a paste
2230 [17:26:52] <greycat> You only put PART of the requested info into your first paste.
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2232 [17:27:14] <RedSoxFan07> I put the whole output into that paste.
2233 [17:27:18] <greycat> !bat
2234 [17:27:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2235 [17:27:24] <nkuttler> RedSoxFan07: which one?
2236 [17:27:29] <greycat> He only did step 1.
2237 [17:27:44] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: You might want to read the factoid to the end.
2238 [17:27:47] <RedSoxFan07> nkuttler: apt -t stretch-backports install nvidia-driver
2239 [17:28:02] <nkuttler> what they said
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2250 [17:33:03] <RedSoxFan07> paste.debian.net/1028914
2251 [17:33:30] <RedSoxFan07> That's the output for nvidia-driver and nvidia-driver-dkms.
2252 [17:33:43] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: You're still failing to read the factoid. Read it again.
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2256 [17:35:02] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: You got the command in 2) wrong, and forgot about 3) completely.
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2265 [17:39:16] <RedSoxFan07> paste.debian.net/1028916
2266 [17:39:40] <RedSoxFan07> Is that better?
2267 [17:40:01] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: You're still missing 3)
2268 [17:40:09] <petn-randall> We're getting there, very slowly.
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2270 [17:40:22] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
2271 [17:40:23] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+3; buster/non-free:
2272 [17:40:24] <judd> 390.48-3; sid/non-free: 390.59-1
2273 [17:41:23] <jelly> FREE GUESS 1: u no hav stretch-backports repo non-free (or contrib)
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2275 [17:41:52] <jelly> and that's what command under step 3 would confirm or deny
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2277 [17:42:00] <RedSoxFan07> I forgot about the last part. Here it is: paste.debian.net/1028917
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2283 [17:42:47] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: Confirmed, what jelly said. You're missing contrib and non-free for stretch-backports.
2284 [17:43:07] <RedSoxFan07> I guess someone needs to edit these instructions to include that info: replaced-url
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2287 [17:44:16] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: those instructions do not assume you're going to use non-free section
2288 [17:44:24] <jelly> because that's technically not part of debian
2289 [17:44:31] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: I guess it makes Stallman happy.
2290 [17:44:44] <jelly> not happy enough
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2295 [17:45:54] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: True, he won't recommend Debian as a free distro because it has non-free repos and lets you install non-free software. Though, I think Trisquel is authoritarian because it won't let you install any proprietary software.
2296 [17:46:12] <RedSoxFan07> I just want my crap to work, even if it takes some non-free software.
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2298 [17:46:23] <jelly> yes, some people are like that
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2310 [17:48:48] <RedSoxFan07> Is this better? paste.debian.net/1028918
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2315 [17:51:20] <minton> Upgrading VLC from 2.2.7 to 3.0.2 in Stretch with XFCE has made it so it won't launch for me - errors mostly involving "XCB error: 3 (BadWindow)". Has anyone here had that problem with 3.0.2, or experience with it working fine, particularly in Stretch and/or XFCE?
2316 [17:51:39] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: get rid of lines with same URI values
2317 [17:51:45] <jelly> s/same/duplicate/
2318 [17:51:46] <minton> I've tried purging and reinstalling - it didn't help.
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2321 [17:52:42] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: like 26, 27, and 7-8. 14-15 are needless as well
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2323 [17:53:06] <minton> Sorry, to clarify, I actually purged with autoremove and reinstalled. "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove vlc"
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2330 [17:54:32] <jelly> ,v vlc-nox
2331 [17:54:33] <judd> Package: vlc-nox on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.0.2-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.2-0+deb9u1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.8-dmo1+deb8u1; stretch-
2332 [17:54:34] <judd> multimedia: 1:3.0.2-dmo1+deb9u2
2333 [17:54:36] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: Really? I don't need 26 and 27?
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2337 [17:54:58] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: you've duplicated all of that in 29-30
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2348 [17:57:23] <RedSoxFan07> I took your advice, and it's working! It's installing!
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2352 [17:58:17] <RedSoxFan07> I'm sorry I was such a pain in the ass. I was just desperately trying to get this thing working. I've been struggling to get my GT 1030 working in Debian for a week.
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2357 [17:59:48] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: No worries, we're here to help. For the future though: Take the time to read the actual things we request from you. You could have gotten it running a bit quicker, and with less hassle.
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2361 [18:00:19] <RedSoxFan07> petn-randall: I will heed your advice.
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2364 [18:00:38] <RedSoxFan07> I was making the mistake of letting my panicking go too far.
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2374 [18:04:10] <RedSoxFan07> Should I worry about this xconfig thing?
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2377 [18:04:42] <jelly> you don't need a complete xorg.conf, so no
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2380 [18:04:53] <jelly> you just need that one bit from the recipe
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2392 [18:06:53] <jelly> > [...] mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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2394 [18:07:24] <RedSoxFan07> When I opened Nvidia X Server Settings, I got an error message telling me that "You don't appear to be using the Nvidia X driver. Please edit your x configuration file (just run nvidia-xconfig as root), and restart the xserver".
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2396 [18:07:55] <jelly> you have to reboot after installing, that's also in the recipe
2397 [18:08:20] <RedSoxFan07> I rebooted once, but I'll give it another go.
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2416 [18:08:59] <jelly> and you have to tell X server to use nvidia X11 driver instead of mouveau
2417 [18:09:28] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: How?
2418 [18:09:42] <jelly> by doing that part from the recipe oneliner
2419 [18:09:52] <jelly> quoted
2420 [18:09:54] <jelly> above
2421 [18:10:08] <RedSoxFan07> This part?
2422 [18:10:09] <RedSoxFan07> mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
2423 [18:10:14] <jelly> yes
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2444 [18:15:10] <RedSoxFan07> Alright. Just did that. Waiting for my system to reboot to see if it worked.
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2446 [18:15:19] <RedSoxFan07> Dammit!
2447 [18:15:26] <RedSoxFan07> Failed to start Light Display Manager.
2448 [18:15:31] <jelly> good
2449 [18:15:41] <RedSoxFan07> How is that good?
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2451 [18:15:59] <jelly> because it did not start with wrong driver
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2453 [18:16:06] <RedSoxFan07> Good point.
2454 [18:16:09] <RedSoxFan07> Now what?
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2456 [18:17:09] <jelly> now look at whether nvidia kernel driver is loaded. If it's not, run "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" and see if it builds at all. If it doesn't, maybe you forgot to install kernel headers and build tools.
2457 [18:17:13] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: What do I do now?
2458 [18:17:26] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: I've got no GUI right now.
2459 [18:17:40] <jelly> and maybe wait a bit until I type the whole sentence, too
2460 [18:18:10] <RedSoxFan07> Fair enough.
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2463 [18:19:22] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: How do I check if the nvidia driver is loaded?
2464 [18:19:22] * jelly hopes the actual support suggestion will be read
2465 [18:19:51] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: find the "nvidia" substring in lsmod command output
2466 [18:20:10] <jelly> eg. lsmod|grep nvidia
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2468 [18:20:25] <RedSoxFan07> nothin'
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2471 [18:21:02] <jelly> then it's not loaded. So investigate why it's not loaded, and whether the dkms package managed to build it from source+blob at all.
2472 [18:21:27] <jelly> easiest way to do that is to force it to do the build again
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2474 [18:21:44] <jelly> "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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2476 [18:22:16] <RedSoxFan07> This is what I got when I tried that:
2477 [18:22:32] <RedSoxFan07> error: conflicting actions -e (--control) and -r (---remove)
2478 [18:22:54] <jelly> dpkg-reconfigure is a single command. No spaces.
2479 [18:23:43] <RedSoxFan07> "Kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed"
2480 [18:24:06] <jelly> that means you have to install them, this is the first step doing the nvidia stuff
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2482 [18:24:21] <jelly> if you skip the first step, other steps fail
2483 [18:24:32] <jelly> so let's recap
2484 [18:24:36] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2485 [18:24:36] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2486 [18:24:59] <jelly> aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
2487 [18:25:23] <RedSoxFan07> I'll give it a shot.
2488 [18:25:42] <jelly> I'm... not sure what -r is for, or why aptitude specifically, but I trust whoever changed that knew what they were doing.
2489 [18:26:26] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: what does «uname -r» say anyway?
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2491 [18:26:58] <minton> Upgrading VLC from 2.2.7 to 3.0.2 in Stretch with XFCE has made it so it won't launch for me. Has anyone here had that problem with 3.0.2, or experience with it working fine, particularly in Stretch and/or XFCE?
2492 [18:27:24] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: depending on which other steps you missed, you might also have to install build-essential
2493 [18:27:49] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: I'm still struggling with your first uname step.
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2496 [18:28:12] <RedSoxFan07> I'd cut and paste if I could, but I've got GUI on my Debian machine.
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2501 [18:28:44] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: ok, what does "uname -r" say, then?
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2505 [18:29:09] <RedSoxFan07> 4.9.0-6.amd64
2506 [18:29:31] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: 4.9.0-6-amd64, okay. Install linux-headers-amd64 then,
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2508 [18:29:55] <jelly> and try to dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms after that succeeds
2509 [18:29:56] <RedSoxFan07> apt install linux headers-amd64
2510 [18:30:32] <jelly> you'll have to be more careful with spaces and dashes and dots.
2511 [18:30:38] <RedSoxFan07> apt install linux-headers
2512 [18:30:48] <RedSoxFan07> Is that right?
2513 [18:31:01] <jelly> it's not
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2515 [18:31:24] <RedSoxFan07> Because I didn't do aptitude?
2516 [18:31:26] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: Install linux-headers-amd64
2517 [18:31:33] <jelly> because you're making typos
2518 [18:32:00] <RedSoxFan07> apt install linux-headers-amd-64
2519 [18:32:03] <jelly> nope
2520 [18:32:05] <RedSoxFan07> crap.
2521 [18:32:07] <jelly> but closer
2522 [18:32:15] <RedSoxFan07> apt install linux-headers-amd64
2523 [18:32:21] <jelly> yay!
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2525 [18:32:55] <RedSoxFan07> linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version (4.16+93~bpo9+1)
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2527 [18:33:12] <RedSoxFan07> linux-headers-amd64 set to manually installed.
2528 [18:33:21] <greycat> freakin' backports... do those headers match your running kernel version?
2529 [18:33:23] <jelly> weird. That implies your machine is not patched completely
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2531 [18:33:49] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: be more explicit then and install linux-headers-4.9.0-6-amd64
2532 [18:34:01] <jelly> or linux-headers-`uname -r`
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2534 [18:34:33] <jelly> greycat: linux-headers-amd64 is really just a metapackage
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2536 [18:35:08] <jelly> to make things consistent it probably ought to be downgraded back to normal stretch but eh
2537 [18:35:08] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: oh, okay.
2538 [18:35:12] <RedSoxFan07> installation in progress.
2539 [18:35:28] <RedSoxFan07> 87% through
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2541 [18:35:51] <RedSoxFan07> Should I also remove the 4.16 headers once this finishes or leave them alone?
2542 [18:35:58] <jelly> they don't matter at all
2543 [18:36:03] <RedSoxFan07> great
2544 [18:36:36] <RedSoxFan07> Now what?
2545 [18:36:48] <jelly> <jelly> and try to dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms after that succeeds
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2548 [18:37:24] <RedSoxFan07> reconfigure in progress
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2550 [18:37:38] <jelly> it doesn't matter if building for 4.16 fails, just the kernel that is actually booted is important
2551 [18:37:44] <RedSoxFan07> Okay, cool.
2552 [18:38:05] <jelly> and I have to go now
2553 [18:38:10] <jelly> good luck
2554 [18:38:15] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: thanks.
2555 [18:38:35] <RedSoxFan07> DMKS: install completed
2556 [18:38:48] <RedSoxFan07> Now do I just reboot?
2557 [18:39:49] <RedSoxFan07> Aside from rebooting, the only thing I haven't done is this: -`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms
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2574 [18:40:59] <RedSoxFan07> And that's partially because I've having a hard time making about some of the marks there. and because it doesn't look right to me.
2575 [18:41:22] <RedSoxFan07> What do I do now?
2576 [18:41:50] <greycat> That's why you paste the bot's commands into your terminal instead of trying to type them.
2577 [18:42:57] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: I couldn't because I didn't have a GUI at the time.
2578 [18:43:11] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: I haven't done that step yet, but I just rebooted and everything looks good.
2579 [18:43:14] <jelly> those silly `` just grab "amd64" out of 4.9.0-6-amd64
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2581 [18:43:39] <RedSoxFan07> NVidia X Server Settings reports the correct info. And Settings shows the correct display resolution.
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2583 [18:44:24] <RedSoxFan07> Or is there still something more I have to do?
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2586 [18:45:20] <dob1> have fun
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2590 [18:49:14] <RedSoxFan07> The only thing that looks wrong to me is that Nvidia X Server Settings says the GPU has an x4 link instead of a x16 link.
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2596 [18:52:54] <shaundlew> hello I cant seem to install mysql-server on my parrot os, ive tried adding ubuntu repository source into my /etc/apt/sources.list.d but still wont work
2597 [18:53:02] <greycat> !parrot
2598 [18:53:02] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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2656 [19:20:33] <s1nus> Sup yall
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2662 [19:21:27] <s1nus> What is "sid"?
2663 [19:21:42] <annadane> sid is the toy story codename for debian unstable
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2665 [19:22:16] <s1nus> Oh. What's the difference between Sid and Buster
2666 [19:22:17] <greycat> (The villain who breaks all the toys.)
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2669 [19:22:47] <annadane> buster is the codename for testing
2670 [19:22:47] <greycat> buster is going to be the next release of Debian, when it's ready
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2673 [19:23:04] <annadane> (except sid is always unstable and buster just happens to be current testing)
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2676 [19:23:31] <s1nus> Cool.
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2684 [19:30:00] <somiaj> s1nus: might be worth reading a quick overview about how debian development works. Basically packages get dropped into sid, if they exist in sid for 10+ days with no bugs (and can be installed in testing), they migrate to testing, and eventually testing freezes and becomes stable.
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2686 [19:30:15] <somiaj> s/no bugs/no RC bugs/
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2688 [19:30:32] <cryptocat1094> Then it starts rotting and becomes old-stable :p
2689 [19:30:52] <somiaj> and then lts, then extended-lts...some people just don't want to give up on wheezy
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2694 [19:31:17] <Ouroboro> i don't think there is a name for the one i am running
2695 [19:31:31] <greycat> wneezy->jessie is a pretty huge jump, with the change of init system (and yes, I know you can take steps to keep using sysvinit)
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2697 [19:32:44] <Ouroboro> etch is pretty decent... why change
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2700 [19:33:12] <somiaj> I personally found the udev upgrade more problematic than wheezy->jessie, but my use case is limited.
2701 [19:33:14] <annadane> replaced-url
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2732 [19:45:40] <areyouloco> i couldnt find gpg related channel so I will ask here. if wrong point me to correct channel.
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2735 [19:45:51] <greycat> #gnupg
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2786 [19:51:41] <areyouloco> greycat: thx. I asked therere. but my question is related to debian packages as well. I am trying to make a debian package with my own public gpg key used to sign debian repository. The problem I encountered is that I have to have a file in "GPG key public ring" format and I do have a key in "PGP public key block Public-Key (old)" according to file command. How do I export public key to the keyring format?
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2789 [19:52:16] <annadane> if nobody answers you here then try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
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2801 [19:58:39] <brutser> hi, im trying to configure a debian live distro for some kiosk system - now i want to security harden the debian basic install. anyone got suggestions/links to articles that can help me?
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2803 [19:59:13] <jolt> brutser: make sure to lock down so they cant exit X or change console to start with
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2808 [19:59:55] <areyouloco> brutser: #debian-live and its mailing list?
2809 [20:00:15] <brutser> jolt: yes i already thought of that, implemented part of it already
2810 [20:00:16] <jolt> brutser: replaced-url
2811 [20:00:37] <annadane> #debian-live is irc.oftc.net, not freenode
2812 [20:00:38] <brutser> jolt: great, ill have a read there
2813 [20:00:46] <jolt> wow, that was an old one though
2814 [20:00:53] <jolt> but might be a start
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2816 [20:01:04] <brutser> annadane: yes it is not very active there
2817 [20:01:20] <annadane> yes but on freenode nobody's actually in that channel :P
2818 [20:01:31] <brutser> this can be seen as general debian question no?
2819 [20:01:56] <areyouloco> i think so
2820 [20:02:07] <greycat> It's not a matter of whether something is a "debian question", but whether the people in this channel can answer it.
2821 [20:02:31] <brutser> greycat: then i am 100% sure this is the place :)
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2824 [20:04:05] <annadane> first of all debian live doesn't generally have persistence, though i think you can enable it
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2826 [20:04:30] <annadane> second, yeah it's a debian question but it's a bit niche and perhaps best asked in the live channel
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2831 [20:05:56] <brutser> annadane: dont need persistence if can configure the sec hardening in the image itself
2832 [20:06:11] <brutser> that is actually my goal
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2835 [20:07:12] <annadane> right, which i'm sure most people here won't know how to do
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2837 [20:07:20] <annadane> i'd either ask the mailing list or the live channel
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2839 [20:07:55] <annadane> you _can_ ask here, it's not off-topic... but whether you get a useful answer is another question
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2841 [20:08:15] <brutser> anndane: sorry to debate that, i understand you, but i am not asking how to do it with a live build, all i ask are good sec hardening concepts for debian in general when you would try to implement a kiosk kind of build
2842 [20:08:44] <brutser> the live build issue i can take care of, that's not what i need to know
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2845 [20:09:21] <annadane> replaced-url
2846 [20:09:36] <annadane> copyright 2013 is... jessie, i think
2847 [20:09:51] <annadane> possibly wheezy
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2850 [20:11:13] <brutser> ok will use as starting point, will google bit more to see if anyone got more directed to kiosk stuff, but will find it, thx
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2852 [20:11:42] <jhutchins_wk> brutser: You might check out the debian security mailing list. Lower traffic subjects tend more toward forums and mailing lists rather than IRC.
2853 [20:12:02] <areyouloco> brutser: I will suggest using openbox graphical env
2854 [20:12:21] <areyouloco> or fluxbox
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2856 [20:12:32] <jhutchins_wk> brutser: Security hardening is more of a general Linux question rather than distribution specific.
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2858 [20:12:51] <greycat> Off the top of my head, you'd want to disable virtual console switching, disable X zapping (pretty sure that's off by default these days), do not use a window manager at all, just launch the application you want with a -geometry spec, and try your best to keep the app from exiting.
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2860 [20:13:36] <brutser> yes all valid points, for sure will need some more research on this, came here too early askin - will come back when have more specific q's
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2871 [20:19:42] <minton> Upgrading VLC from 2.2.7 to 3.0.2 in Stretch with XFCE has made it so it won't launch for me. Has anyone here had that problem with 3.0.2, or experience with it working fine, particularly in Stretch and/or XFCE?
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2874 [20:21:53] <annadane> ,v vlc
2875 [20:21:55] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.0.2-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.2-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.3-1; sid: 3.0.3-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia:
2876 [20:21:55] <judd> 1:2.2.8-dmo1+deb8u1; stretch-multimedia: 1:3.0.2-dmo1+deb9u2; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.0.3-dmo1
2877 [20:22:26] <annadane> this looks like a frankendebian
2878 [20:22:58] <annadane> oh, wait
2879 [20:23:24] <greycat> No, stretch to stretch-security apparently.
2880 [20:23:27] <annadane> yeah reading it wrong, sorry
2881 [20:23:43] <greycat> I don't use vlc so I'm not familiar with this decision or its ramifications.
2882 [20:23:57] <annadane> minton, try launching it from the terminal and see what it says
2883 [20:24:06] <annadane> maybe post the output to paste.debian.net and we can try to figure it out
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2887 [20:25:58] <jhutchins_wk> minton: Launch it in a virtual terminal, see what it's unhappy about.
2888 [20:26:22] <greycat> "virtual" here meaning an X terminal emulator, not a Linux virtual console
2889 [20:26:35] <minton> ok, one sec
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2891 [20:29:15] <minton> annadane: greycat: jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
2892 [20:29:39] <minton> some of that is generated after Ctrl-C'ing out of the failed launch
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2895 [20:32:40] <jhutchins_wk> I would guess that the Painter is not active.
2896 [20:33:03] <jhutchins_wk> Have you tried pasting that first entry into google?
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2909 [20:41:45] <preview> hallo, could anyone help me with an lsof issue? I can't get it to return output
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2911 [20:42:06] <preview> command is lsof /dev/snd/*, but it doesn't show anything
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2916 [20:43:22] <RoyK> greycat: try adding 'sudo' in front of that
2917 [20:43:47] <nkuttler> preview: well, do you have a working audio system?
2918 [20:43:51] <RoyK> or just 'sudo lsof | grep dev/snd'
2919 [20:44:38] <RoyK> another thing is that a device node isn't a file, really, it's a device node, so it's not kept open the same way IIRC
2920 [20:44:51] <annadane> preview, you crossposted this to #debian-next, are you running debian stable or buster/sid?
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2922 [20:45:39] <preview> sid, yes annadane
2923 [20:45:44] <annadane> then ask in #debian-next
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2929 [20:50:55] <Iridos> brontosaurusrex, ah… I had wondered if it might need a compositor… but I couldn't remember the name of one… neither the word compositor :D
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3039 [21:30:45] <shazbotmcnasty> hey there guys I'm having some problems changing permissions on a folder. I've chmod'd and chown'd this folder with the groups/users that i want to have access, but when checking permissions with 'ls -ld /directory' it only lists the root user. IE: " drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jun 12 09:55 /directory " - anyone have a sec to help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?
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3044 [21:32:05] <greycat> Well, it's clearly owned by root.
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3066 [21:40:12] <mefistofeles> hello, I'm trying to setup Dell's idrac in a debian server, but I'm getting a bit confused on what I have to install in the OS, I see ISM (idrac service module) but also de openmanage in dell's repository, anyone has some tips or hints on what should I install/configure? Thanks
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3076 [21:43:10] <ksk> mefistofeles: you dont have to install anything at all to use a drac
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3079 [21:43:23] <ksk> you can either configure it during bootup (press some buttons, the drac tells you..)
3080 [21:44:02] <ksk> or you can install ipmitool and send commands to configure an IP, password and so on (you shoud be able to google that, like "dell drac setup via ipmitool" or so).
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3082 [21:44:42] <ksk> If you are just a linux user wanting to use the DRAC as remote managment card Id suggest against installing the DELL software.
3083 [21:44:51] <jsavalle> yo! any good recommendation on a web interface to manage dovecot?
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3088 [21:46:47] <Ouroboro> who writes /var/log/dmesg?
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3091 [21:47:52] <greycat> ... on my machine, looks like "nobody". It's a year old.
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3094 [21:48:14] <greycat> It might be something that can be configured, either in systemd or rsyslog.
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3106 [21:52:22] <jolt> jsavalle: Haven't found one. Scripts or go home :/
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3126 [21:58:48] <shazbotmcnasty> greycat: I can see that it's owned by root. I have a user named "backup" that I'm trying to get to own it. But even after "chown -R Backup:Backup /directory" it still says its owned by root
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3128 [21:59:19] <greycat> I bet it's on a VFAT or NTFS file system.
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3130 [21:59:33] <shazbotmcnasty> ich. it is.
3131 [21:59:46] <shazbotmcnasty> do i have to make the user then on another device?
3132 [21:59:55] <Ouroboro> greycat: is your uptime a year?
3133 [22:00:02] <greycat> nope
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3136 [22:01:26] <Ouroboro> well, someone clearly wrote it once, not sure if they will do it again, or whether i should rotate it
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3141 [22:03:18] <Ouroboro> maybe it happens on each boot, or maybe it happens only on the first boot
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3145 [22:04:04] <mefistofeles> ksk: thanks for the response, I was trying to get the virtual console working in the DRAC website, I was thinking this needs somethign installed in the OS, but not sure.
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3161 [22:10:20] <ksk> mefistofeles: set the virtual console to not-java in settings. should work then
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3190 [22:21:42] <jsavalle> jolt: mmm... ok :) but how do you let your users change their passwords ?
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3197 [22:23:12] <jolt> jsavalle: I use roundcube for that! Found a plugin for changing passwords
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3212 [22:27:45] <mefistofeles> ksk: Ok, I just found out it's a licensing issue, I don't have the license that actually has the virtual console, thanks for the feedback and sorryf or the noise :)
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3217 [22:29:33] <shazbotmcnasty> is it possible to change group permissions on an NTFS folder mounted by cifs?
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3219 [22:30:25] <shazbotmcnasty> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jun 12 13:19 /directory ---- I am seemingly unable to change those permissions from this linux box. Do i have to do it in Windows?
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3239 [22:37:10] <jolt> shazbotmcnasty: I would think that the permissions are just emulated due to how ntfs is handled, so yes, you probably have to do it somewhere else.
3240 [22:37:36] <jolt> shazbotmcnasty: It might also be possible to change mount owner and permissions when you mount it, but all of that is just emulation
3241 [22:37:46] <jolt> shazbotmcnasty: That being said, I have no NTFs experience myself
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3298 [22:50:17] <shazbotmcnasty> jolt: Ok. I'm at a loss and am going to step away from it for a while so it doesn't drive me insane.
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3310 [22:52:03] <jolt> shazbotmcnasty: Yeah, unfortunatly I think NTFS should be handled on wintendo
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3379 [23:09:42] <__m4ch1n3__> how are nodejs modules on debian managed/installed?
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3395 [23:13:40] <__m4ch1n3__> and why is there no npm package in the repository?
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3415 [23:15:42] <dob1> m?
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3417 [23:15:54] <__m4ch1n3__> ??
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3444 [23:28:57] <ksk> __m4ch1n3__: there is one sane way of doing nodejs on debian afaik, and its hidden deep (like, really) in nodejs docs.
3445 [23:29:31] <ksk> no debian support for nodejs as far as I know.
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3453 [23:32:19] <__m4ch1n3__> :3 where?
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3455 [23:33:46] <ksk> you may ask in #nodejs, they gave me a link to a document in the past. the official docs from nodejs regargind debian where outdated or something like that
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3459 [23:33:54] <__m4ch1n3__> is the sane way maybe nvm?
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3461 [23:34:02] <ksk> which sheds a good light on the whole thing, if you asked me ;)
3462 [23:34:25] <ksk> mhhm could be, yes. sorry, it was some time ago and I dont really remember..
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