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43 [00:19:11] <hxmuller> is cdebootstrap not working for Stretch?
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46 [00:21:28] <hxmuller> I'm getting this error when running cdebootstrap: replaced-url
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91 [00:45:18] * mnuhmnuh define crazy.
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104 [00:51:14] <kingsley> How would you find which package, if any, contains GNU's version of the "iconv" command?
105 [00:51:21] <kingsley> It's documented at
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107 [00:51:29] <kingsley> replaced-url
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112 [00:51:55] <kingsley> When I do
113 [00:51:59] <kingsley> # dpkg -S $( which iconv)
114 [00:52:03] <kingsley> I get
115 [00:52:16] <kingsley> libc-bin: /usr/bin/iconv
116 [00:52:50] <kingsley> which is a different version of iconv. It doesn't support the "−−unicode−subst" option.
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129 [00:59:34] <Mr_Queue> Anyone here familur with RedFish?
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221 [02:05:25] <rant> I'm familiar with that as well as BlueFish, OneFish and Twofish :P
222 [02:06:10] * rant seriously never heard of RedFish only Blufish (markup editor) and Twofish (algorithm)
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246 [02:21:13] <kk> Hello Guys, Linux noobie here..I am trying to script a quick bash script that will start ssh-add command so that I don't have to type the passphrase again and again.
247 [02:21:18] <kk> replaced-url
248 [02:21:32] <kk> I wrote this..But its not working
249 [02:21:42] <kk> Can anyone please help
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532 [04:36:39] <Mr_Queue> rant: Looks like it might replace IPMI
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538 [04:38:17] <Mr_Queue> rant: replaced-url
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581 [05:05:35] <ThiagoCMC> guys, what is the alternative to the "auto-apt" ?
582 [05:05:37] <ThiagoCMC> It is gone.
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588 [05:10:20] <Mr_Queue> unattended-upgrades?
589 [05:10:50] <ThiagoCMC> Hmm... I'll give it a try! =)
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591 [05:11:29] <ThiagoCMC> I was thinking about search, with auto-apt, for with package will bring file "/usr/bin/something"...
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593 [05:12:18] <somiaj> I don't know auto-apt, but it sounds like you want apt-file? Or can you clairfy what the search does?
594 [05:12:49] <Mr_Queue> unattended-upgrades will be default in 10.
595 [05:13:03] <ThiagoCMC> For example... auto-apt search Xlib.h
596 [05:13:10] <somiaj> in this case, auto-apt is something different.
597 [05:13:10] <ThiagoCMC> will tell you which package will bring that file.
598 [05:13:24] <somiaj> ThiagoCMC: apt-file does that, auto-apt does something different.
599 [05:13:34] <Mr_Queue> It won't restart services, but you can scrit that out too. Check out the package 'debian-goodies'
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601 [05:13:35] <somiaj> but if all you want to know is what package contains a file, use apt-file
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603 [05:13:47] <ThiagoCMC> somiaj, thank you!
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605 [05:14:11] <somiaj> you wont have the auto ability of automatically isntalling a package that contains that file, but give a monet
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608 [05:15:27] <somiaj> seems auto-apt was just broken, and no one to matain/fix it
609 [05:15:35] <somiaj> replaced-url
610 [05:15:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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612 [05:16:00] <somiaj> though I think using apt-file to find the package you want, and manually isntalling it is a better solution than having a program automatically install it if a program requests the file.
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615 [05:17:10] <Mr_Queue> what could go wrong?
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617 [05:18:11] <somiaj> Seems it was mostly designed for building software to help ./configure scripts manually get what they need as they go.
618 [05:18:30] <somiaj> It might work okay, I just find it 'iffy' because I don't like things automatically installing packages like that.
619 [05:18:46] <somiaj> overall it is not in debian due to no one want to maintain it and keep the software up to date.
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640 [05:31:17] <Mr_Queue> You really only need unattended-upgrades. Get used to it, it's comming. You'll need to disable it if you know how to do that. Else it's assumed you need help. Which is a good thing, should cleanup servers/laptop/devices plugged in and forgotten about.
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643 [05:33:22] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: apt-auto is a different tool that unattended-upgrades would not help with.
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657 [05:44:23] <Mr_Queue> I guess I have no idea what apt-auto would fix. What's the problem?
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661 [05:46:56] <somiaj> It automatically installs packages when something requests a file that is missing. It was designed for building software, it would automatically install any missing -dev libary that a ./configure script would try to use but was missing, so someone woudln't have to track down the package with apt-file and manually install it with apt-get
662 [05:47:18] <somiaj> but since it has been broken since jessie, and no one seems to want to matain it, it has been removed and is no longer a tool debian has.
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666 [05:48:47] <r_rios> Hello, all. Does anyone else has a problem of apt getting stuck at 0% for a while on any network operation?
667 [05:48:56] <r_rios> It happens for me on both apt update, upgrade and install
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669 [05:49:15] <somiaj> Are you using a proxy? Could it be something with your network? Does it eventually become unstuck?
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671 [05:50:18] <r_rios> I'm not using a proxy. It does eventually get unstuck
672 [05:50:36] <somiaj> It sounds like an issue with your network, but that is mostly a guess and I can't say more.
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674 [05:50:46] <somiaj> also pealse don't cross post.
675 [05:50:46] <r_rios> And I don't believe it has anything to do with my network. Another Debian machine of mine doesn't have the problem
676 [05:51:26] <somiaj> wonder if there is some io wait or network wait, and the process is stuck waiting for time to work.
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678 [05:52:01] <r_rios> It gets stuck at 0% [Working]
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681 [05:52:19] <somiaj> well it is waiting for something, I don't know what it could be waiting for.
682 [05:52:22] <r_rios> I tried cleaning the cache, the package lists, etc
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686 [05:52:48] <somiaj> is this with both apt and apt-get?
687 [05:52:49] <r_rios> Okay. Thanks for the help anyway
688 [05:52:55] <r_rios> (Sorry about the crosspost)
689 [05:53:05] <r_rios> somiaj: Yes
690 [05:53:35] <somiaj> do both machines (one that works and one that doesn't) use the same mirror? What mirror is the broken one using?
691 [05:54:12] <r_rios> somiaj: Not right now, but I've changed mirrors several times in this machine and it didn't change the results
692 [05:54:49] <r_rios> Also, I though it might have something to do with PackageKit competing for resources with apt, but I uninstalled everything PackageKit-related and it didn't help
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698 [05:57:58] <somiaj> sounds like you have tried what most the hits in google I see suggested. One came up that it was trying to use ipv6, but you would have seen that
699 [05:58:29] <somiaj> but you can create a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 and then include the line Acquire::ForceIPv4 true;
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701 [05:59:02] <Dagger> you can also fix your network
702 [05:59:57] <thatpythonguy> can anyone help me with an mpd/ncmpcpp problem
703 [06:00:00] <Dagger> if apt-get is trying v6 first, then your system has some kind of global v6 config set up. if that v6 config isn't working, then figure out what's wrong and fix it. going around and configuring programs to avoid it isn't the right way to go
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705 [06:00:29] <Dagger> also `wget` is a good tool for debugging HTTP fetches, since it prints useful log output
706 [06:00:37] <somiaj> though that may not be the issue, it is just a guess what is causing apt to fail.
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712 [06:05:08] <r_rios> somiaj: I'll see if that helps
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715 [06:06:20] <r_rios> Dagger: I'm using a normal wifi connection via nm, so I'm not sure what I could do wrong there
716 [06:06:58] <somiaj> does the other machine that works use wifi?
717 [06:07:02] <r_rios> Yup
718 [06:07:22] <somiaj> unsure what is the best way to debug what is causing a wait
719 [06:07:40] <r_rios> "if apt-get is trying v6 first"
720 [06:07:48] <r_rios> It is, from the looks of it
721 [06:08:23] <somiaj> did that conf fix your issue?
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723 [06:09:06] <r_rios> No, but, when apt finally gets unstuck, it shows me ipv6 addresses
724 [06:09:31] <r_rios> All I have to do is create the file and I'm done, right?
725 [06:09:36] <somiaj> correct
726 [06:09:51] <r_rios> So, no, it didn't help
727 [06:10:01] <somiaj> !disable ipv6
728 [06:10:01] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
729 [06:10:25] <somiaj> you will have to reboot for that, again this is a hack approach, but you could didsable ipv6 altogether, and see if that helps
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731 [06:10:40] <somiaj> If this ends up being the issue, then as Dagger pointed out, fix your network.
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733 [06:10:54] <Dagger> no, please *don't* disable v6 systemwide, we're long past the point where that's a reasonable response to anything
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735 [06:11:05] <r_rios> What do you mean by "fix" my network?
736 [06:11:23] <r_rios> And pinging to ipv6 addresses seems to work fine
737 [06:11:24] <Dagger> pastebin the output of `wget <URL to mirror>` and let's see what's actually happening
738 [06:12:49] <r_rios> Dagger: replaced-url
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743 [06:16:45] <Dagger> see, that does seem to be working fine
744 [06:18:53] <Dagger> it's possible that your v6 connectivity is intermittent... or also perhaps that your DNS is intermittent
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768 [06:35:31] <r_rios> Dagger: my v6 connectivity is fine. This was just after trying to update and still getting stuck at 0% [Working]
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771 [06:36:28] <r_rios> Dagger: I forced v4 in apt's configs and I still got the same problem, so I doubt this is related to ipv6
772 [06:37:03] <r_rios> I even tried to edit the v4 ips into sources.list just in case. Still no good
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775 [06:38:41] <r_rios> My only guess is that this could be related to some lost cache file somewhere making my life difficult, but I'm not sure where
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786 [06:43:40] <Dagger> I don't suppose the problem shows up in `wget -O/dev/null replaced-url
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792 [06:47:37] <r_rios> Dagger: it doesn't
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795 [06:49:43] <Dagger> replaced-url
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808 [07:00:07] <r_rios> Dagger: Nope
809 [07:01:13] <somiaj> it's a ghost!! *hides*
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813 [07:03:40] <Dagger> r_rios: I'm out of ideas then. I can't think of anything else that would affect apt-get and not wget
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816 [07:04:13] <somiaj> does aptitude have the same issue?
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819 [07:04:54] <somiaj> wonder if it is some io wait or something else, and the process is waiting for an io bus...though I can't think of what could be the problem.
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846 [07:19:07] <r_rios> Dagger: It's fine. I've been struggling with this issue for months now, so I knew it would be hard
847 [07:19:15] <r_rios> Thanks for all the help, though[
848 [07:19:32] <somiaj> r_rios: did you try aptitude?
849 [07:19:45] <r_rios> somiaj: aptitude does have the same issue
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851 [07:20:18] <somiaj> thought it might, some underlaying process is waiting. I wonder if you could watch something like iotop or the process to see what it is waiting on
852 [07:21:05] <r_rios> I have to install iotop first
853 [07:21:13] <r_rios> It will take a little while
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855 [07:24:33] <somiaj> iotop more shows what io is being used, but maybe you'll notice something strange, again I'm unsure what tools to debug what could be causing the wait. Since wget seems to be fine, leads to wonder if it is something else causing the wait.
856 [07:25:24] <Dagger> I'd try to tcpdump and see if staring at the traffic reveals any useful info
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859 [07:26:16] <Dagger> could also run under strace, or (if you can work out how to get it to give you useful symbols) maybe gdb. if you break into apt-get while it's hung and print a stack trace, it may give you an idea of what it's doing
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1006 [08:43:52] <michael2> hi, I have this notification in top right corner of screen - which won't go away:
1007 [08:43:54] <michael2> replaced-url
1008 [08:44:07] <michael2> does anyone know how I can remove this?
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1020 [08:53:04] <darxmurf> reboot
1021 [08:53:04] <darxmurf> :D
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1023 [08:53:56] <darxmurf> why the hell CentOS does not provide a list of mirrors during install. Damn are we in 1980 ?!
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1031 [08:57:59] <jim> it's possible some here know... and, as you know, debian did solve that problem, which needed to be solved because it installs stuff after installing the base
1032 [08:59:21] <jim> I dunno, it's possble you can find a place where more centos devs are to ask that question too
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1034 [09:00:17] <jim> here's a resource for that: there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
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1137 [09:57:30] <dracc> How do I find cmake variables used to create a specific .deb ?
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1140 [09:57:52] <dracc> (I.E. how do I find what cmake options was used to build libbullet-dev ?)
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1151 [10:02:08] <Fox> dracc: can't you get the info into the sources ?
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1165 [10:06:06] <dracc> Fox, I guess I could. Am noob though, so did not think that far.
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1187 [10:17:11] <jolt> dracc: I imagine there might be something useful in the auto-build logs: replaced-url
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1193 [10:19:25] <dracc> jolt, Thank you very much!
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1197 [10:22:18] <dracc> It seems as if the package maintainers does no magic. Current git master HEAD of bullet is broken (for me) then.
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1283 [11:12:29] <srruby> should i use buster for development?
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1290 [11:13:47] <petn-randall> srruby: For what kind of development?
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1297 [11:14:23] <petn-randall> srruby: In general, unless you want to contribute to Debian's next release, I would use stable.
1298 [11:14:26] <srruby> ruby php,react,npm, html
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1321 [11:26:51] <Tom01> stable is too outdated
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1325 [11:31:43] <bites> stable is on php 7.0 and buster on 7.2. for npm and node you would want to use the upstream repo anyway and for react and html it doesn't matter.
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1327 [11:32:23] <bites> but i'd go with stable and use something like vagrant to get reproducible environments with the deps you want to target.
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1335 [11:37:38] <padomay> hi there. i need to install the amd audio card's firmware
1336 [11:37:48] <padomay> and I don't know where to find them
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1341 [11:40:21] <BCMM> padomay: what audio device is this?
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1345 [11:40:55] <BCMM> padomay: actually, do you know what firmware file you need? if the driver is otherwise working properly, you should have a "failed to load" messaged in dmesg
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1347 [11:42:20] <padomay> here's my inxi output
1348 [11:42:21] <padomay> replaced-url
1349 [11:42:50] <BCMM> padomay: what makes you think you're missing firmware?
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1352 [11:43:07] <BCMM> i would expect the audio device to not show up with missing firmware
1353 [11:43:13] <padomay> well... not the whole firmware obviously
1354 [11:43:27] <padomay> le tme explain
1355 [11:43:33] <BCMM> can you pastebin `aplay -l` and `dmesg`?
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1359 [11:45:08] <padomay> i downloaded the amd-graphics firmware because i was missing the extensions for the rendering 3d
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1365 [11:46:08] <padomay> and my audio card is working bad
1366 [11:46:21] <padomay> like.. the sound is not clean
1367 [11:46:28] <BCMM> padomay: ah, i think i get it - was your sound working fine before you installed firmware-amd-graphics?
1368 [11:46:30] <padomay> and it's also laggy
1369 [11:46:37] <padomay> no no
1370 [11:46:49] <padomay> i just forgot about it
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1372 [11:47:09] <BCMM> sorry, i have to go
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1374 [11:47:38] <padomay> BCMM, don't worry..
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1409 [12:06:10] <Nothing4You> i'm trying to figure out how to shrink a physical lvm partition
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1412 [12:06:41] <Nothing4You> i've got a vg with 200gb size and 19gb allocated / used
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1415 [12:08:35] <Nothing4You> `pvs --segments /dev/disk` tells me that i have plenty of free space at the end, my lvs are at the beginning
1416 [12:08:57] <Nothing4You> i can't figure out how to reduce the vg size
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1421 [12:09:41] <Kelsar> Nothing4You: you want to reduce a lv not a vg
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1423 [12:10:15] <Kelsar> vg just shrinks and expands with the pvs added to/removed from it
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1428 [12:14:05] <Nothing4You> Kelsar: no i don't
1429 [12:14:09] <Nothing4You> Kelsar: my lvs are reduced
1430 [12:14:17] <Nothing4You> i have 2 lvs that sum up to less than 20G
1431 [12:14:30] <Nothing4You> i have /dev/sda2 which is a 200G partition used by lvm
1432 [12:14:39] <Nothing4You> i want to shrink /dev/sda2 so i can create a new partition on the disk
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1434 [12:16:31] <Nothing4You> `pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize` tells me "requested size x is less than real size 200 GiB. Proceed?"
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1445 [12:22:13] <Kelsar> then you want to proceed
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1447 [12:22:45] <Kelsar> usually you shrink the pv a bit more then you want to shrink the partition, then shrink the partition and resize the pv to the final size
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1453 [12:29:15] <Nothing4You> i see
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1455 [12:29:24] <Nothing4You> gparted seems to have been breaking my attempts
1456 [12:29:28] <Nothing4You> fdisk worked
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1458 [12:30:03] <pinkos> hi
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1460 [12:30:16] <pinkos> is anyone using linux well with ryzen 2400g?
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1468 [12:40:20] <deface> hi all
1469 [12:40:27] <deface> David please
1470 [12:40:30] <deface> use it
1471 [12:40:41] <petn-randall> deface: What are you talking about?
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1552 [13:23:35] <disposable2> i need to create a simple debian package that contains a shell script, a systemd unit file and a postinst script that does daemon-reload and enables the service. is there a guide for such simple things? every guide i've found so far just pushes me closer to instanity. i'm not using a source package, i don't need to compile anything...
1553 [13:23:48] <disposable2> s/instanity/insanity
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1558 [13:25:48] <petn-randall> disposable2: Use a source package, even if you don't compile anything.
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1561 [13:26:14] <petn-randall> disposable2: It's much easier than packaging binary packages by hand.
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1563 [13:26:48] <disposable2> petn-randall: it's a shell script that sets up and tears down swapping to zram. there is no source package.
1564 [13:27:09] <petn-randall> disposable2: Then make one.
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1894 [16:32:43] <noirx> hello, i print things, but no printing happens, printer queue is empty
1895 [16:33:07] <noirx> i have fresh debian 9
1896 [16:33:22] <noirx> can someone help me please
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1902 [16:34:37] <jpw> noirx: what debugging steps have you tried so far?
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1908 [16:35:57] <Haohmaru> noirx, is it plugged in, does it have ink, paper, everything..?
1909 [16:36:03] <noirx> yes
1910 [16:36:26] <jpw> is the printer showing as ready in CUPS?
1911 [16:36:27] <noirx> and recognized by debian, test page prints
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1913 [16:36:44] <noirx> from printer
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1915 [16:37:04] <noirx> but no printing happens when i print
1916 [16:37:06] <Haohmaru> you're not accidentally trying to print your file thru a different printer, are you?
1917 [16:37:13] <jpw> how is the printer connected to the computer? wifi, ethernet, usb, (LPT?)
1918 [16:37:19] <noirx> usb
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1924 [16:38:29] <noirx> when i print a page, nothing happens, it is detected,
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1932 [16:40:20] <jpw> norix: and you say when you print a test page from your computer it works?
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1948 [16:45:20] <Haohmaru> is he printing the test page from the computer or from the printer itself (some of them have menus and buttons for that kind of stuff)
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1950 [16:46:03] <jpw> he implied he was printing the test page from his printer
1951 [16:46:11] <jpw> hence why I tried to get him to clarify
1952 [16:46:17] <Haohmaru> oh, right
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2069 [17:40:35] <RedSoxFan08> I've got an issue with a GPU. I'm not sure if it was an update or something, but I can't get my nvidia gpu to work with the proprietary driver. I installed the proprietary driver a couple days ago, but I can't get the GPU working. Whenever I try to boot with the GPU in the PC, Debian stops loading once it gets to the part where it seems to have run fsck.
2070 [17:40:49] <RedSoxFan08> Do I need to disable Nouveau?
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2072 [17:40:57] <RedSoxFan08> Or is it a different sort of issue?
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2077 [17:43:08] <RedSoxFan08> Anybody?
2078 [17:43:23] <FreyjaDomville> running both drivers actively is a bad idea. Try disabling nouveau.
2079 [17:43:30] <RedSoxFan08> How do I do that?
2080 [17:44:01] <greycat> Before you DO anything, you should tell us which video chipset it is, and which release of Debian.
2081 [17:44:18] <greycat> Also, did it work PREVIOUSLY? If so, what changed since then?
2082 [17:44:18] <FreyjaDomville> first you'll need to add nomodeset to your GRUB command so the drivers don't attempt to load.
2083 [17:44:27] <FreyjaDomville> ah, very true
2084 [17:44:33] <FreyjaDomville> apologies, greycat
2085 [17:44:38] <RedSoxFan08> greycat: The GPU is an Nvidia GT 1030. The Debian release is Debian Buster.
2086 [17:44:47] <greycat> !debian-next
2087 [17:44:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich oftc.
2088 [17:45:05] <greycat> I knew it sounded like a testing issue. There's been a lot of testing users complaining about changes in nvidia drivers.
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2099 [17:49:10] <jhutchins_wk> RedSoxFan07: The proprietary drivers don't actually support testing, although they may work.
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2103 [17:52:51] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Well, they worked before with a GT 740 and then quit.
2104 [17:53:10] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: And that was just a couple days ago.
2105 [17:53:10] <greycat> Probably because you upgraded xorg to 1.20 in testing.
2106 [17:53:22] <greycat> That seems to be the common trigger that those insane testing users talk about.
2107 [17:53:36] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: I'll give that a shot.
2108 [17:53:50] <greycat> You should be talking to them in #debian-next @ OFTC.
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2111 [17:54:26] <jhutchins_wk> I would expect to at lest have to re-build the drivers for the new hardware, and if xorg upgraded to rebuild for that.
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2113 [17:54:48] <jhutchins_wk> nomodeset would definitely be the starting point for a recovery.
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2134 [18:05:18] <hirok> Hi peoples
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2139 [18:07:56] <hirok> I'm using linux mint and thinking to jump to debian.. But when i got into debian's official page i tried to download it throught bittorrent amd64 and i got 3 files which are 3.7GB,4.4GB,4.4 GB... So which iso i should download for debian cinnamon version... Does anyone help me please
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2142 [18:08:55] <mutante> hirok: you really just need the netinstall .iso (much smaller) and boot from that and you can let it download the needed packages during install.. as long as you have Internet
2143 [18:09:04] <mutante> hirok: that way you also just download what you actually install
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2145 [18:09:49] <mutante> which desktop environment you install you can always decide after the base system is installed
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2147 [18:10:24] <hirok> But i have some internet issues... I got 2GB data per day.. so i can't netinstall because the file is larger than it.. mutante
2148 [18:11:36] <hirok> And the problem is they didn't write the iso name in the official page mutante... They just write the names iso1, iso2 .....
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2151 [18:12:18] <greycat> The netinst image is about 300 MB. An installation of Debian using that image will probably download another 200 MB to 2 GB depending on what you install.
2152 [18:13:06] <greycat> So in theory, you could download the netinst on day 1, wait, then install on day 2. Or just not install as much.
2153 [18:13:42] <hirok> Oh okie greycat... Thanx for your suggestion...
2154 [18:13:57] <greycat> And if this is a laptop, use the non-free firmware images.
2155 [18:14:01] <greycat> !firmware images
2156 [18:14:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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2158 [18:14:10] <hirok> And will debian be better than ubuntu or mint?? From your experience
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2161 [18:15:09] <hirok> And what is non free image?
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2164 [18:15:34] <greycat> 12:14 dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages"
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2167 [18:15:45] <jolt> non-free is software where the licence isnt completely unrestricted
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2169 [18:16:28] <hirok> Oooooreplaced-url
2170 [18:16:57] <hirok> Will i get any problem if i download offline installation images?
2171 [18:17:00] <greycat> If it's not a laptop, or if by some miracle it doesn't use wireless interfaces that need non-free firmware, then you can use the regular netinst.
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2174 [18:17:25] <hirok> Nope... It's a laptop
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2178 [18:18:36] <hirok> And greycat... Will i able to play some fps game in debian like linux mint??
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2181 [18:19:18] <greycat> I know nothing about Mint.
2182 [18:19:54] <hirok> Oops! I mean do i play games there? In debian or it's just for programming
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2187 [18:20:47] <greycat> You can do whatever you want.
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2190 [18:21:48] <jolt> hirok: If it runs on another Linux it is likely it will run under Debian too. No guarantees though.
2191 [18:21:58] <hirok> I'm just asking because some days ago I was an idiot and i installed parrot os lmao... so i face some problems like video quality is very poor and slow... and parrot is under debian... so i'm trying to know before i install the os
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2195 [18:23:41] <hirok> And thanx guys... for your replies
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2198 [18:25:00] <annadane> well, no, you can have free software with a restricted license
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2229 [18:38:19] <Aziroshin> hirok: There are thousands of games on Steam that run on Linux. Be aware that they mainly target Ubuntu. However, Ubuntu is debian based, so, your chances might be pretty good.
2230 [18:38:53] <Aziroshin> Even if you run into trouble, it's probably nothing a little fiddling couldn't fix. :)
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2271 [18:53:53] <inquisitiv3> What's the best way to setup a build environment for building packages for Debian?
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2274 [18:55:28] <greycat> inquisitiv3: /msg dpkg nmg
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2280 [18:57:46] <inquisitiv3> greycat: Seems that it didn't work as you indented?
2281 [18:58:28] <inquisitiv3> Can't find something obvious matching nmg when I google "nmg debian" or "nmg dpkg".
2282 [18:58:37] <greycat> /msg is an IRC command
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2289 [19:00:22] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: Literally type "/msg dpkg nmg" into your IRC client, and it'll open a channel to the bot and ask it for a factoid.
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2292 [19:00:53] <inquisitiv3> petn-randall: Aha, thanks! I didn't see that a new channel had opened when I typed it :)
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2295 [19:01:46] <zek8000> I'm on debian 8.9 using mailx (mailutils?) to try and send e-mail from a gsuit domain to smtp-relay.gmail.com. I'm able to telnet and successfully send an email, but mailx fails when using the args '-s "some subject" some@recipient.tld', mail.log shows a 550-5.7.1 invalid credenital error for relay in reply to MAIL FROM command, what should I do here? My telnet MAIL FROM works fine in telnet, but this
2296 [19:01:52] <zek8000> doesn't look like a syntax error with mailx. What gives?
2297 [19:01:56] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: No problem, we all started somehow :)
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2300 [19:02:35] <petn-randall> zek8000: However you set it up, it's using the wrong credentials.
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2305 [19:02:51] <petn-randall> zek8000: If you want us to help you with that, you have to share your exact setup, though.
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2307 [19:04:20] <zek8000> petn-randall: Well the relay is configured to auth via IP, not any other credentials, and I'm submitting from a valid/defined subnet in the relay config. There are no issues when sending mail via telnet.
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2311 [19:04:57] <zek8000> mailx is sending different commands than I am via telnet, so maybe I should look for a debug option or use a different cli client
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2315 [19:06:09] <petn-randall> zek8000: I think it goes through your MTA, so first thing I'd check it /var/log/mail.log.
2316 [19:06:11] <greycat> mailx doesn't send commands to a remote mail server. It runs /usr/sbin/sendmail to put the mail in a local queue, and then your MTA (exim, postfix, etc.) takes over.
2317 [19:06:29] <petn-randall> *is
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2344 [19:19:33] <zek8000> Well I blame postfix then
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2349 [19:21:54] <`Kevin> zek8000: tcpdump it if unencrypted and see what it is sending
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2351 [19:22:19] <zek8000> ye
2352 [19:22:20] <greycat> and make sure it's sending to the correct remote server
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2354 [19:22:43] <zek8000> the relayhost is defined in main.cfg as relay-smtp.gmail.com for postfix
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2362 [19:25:24] <zek8000> oh i see what's up, the relayhost = smtp-relay.gmail.com:587 while i'm telnetting to port 25
2363 [19:25:30] <zek8000> i need to setup starttls or something
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2384 [19:33:17] <indiazulu> Hi. I'm running into some issues fetching debian packages from a repository behind a proxy, E: GPG error: replaced-url
2385 [19:34:05] <indiazulu> but apt-get update seems not happy and ended up circling on the same google results...
2386 [19:34:31] <indiazulu> some idea of something to try or that could help to debug?
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2460 [20:13:10] <laurus> Is OCaml 4.0.6 planned to be included in Debian Unstable?
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2463 [20:13:21] <retrosenator> how do I run a script at startup before rc.local?
2464 [20:13:58] <greycat> Why does it have to be before rc.local?
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2467 [20:14:30] <retrosenator> because rc.local is late
2468 [20:14:33] <retrosenator> it's the last thing to run
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2470 [20:14:37] <retrosenator> I want the first thing to run
2471 [20:14:44] <retrosenator> before any other services are started
2472 [20:14:59] <greycat> Then have fun reading the systemd documentation.
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2475 [20:15:45] <greycat> systemd.unit(5) => Before, After
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2482 [20:19:44] <retrosenator> I can set before to what to make it first?
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2484 [20:20:24] <greycat> Your goals are unclear.
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2491 [20:23:43] <retrosenator> I want to execute a program first before any other services
2492 [20:24:11] <greycat> It probably won't be able to DO anything.
2493 [20:24:21] <dutchfish> retrosenator, you cant do that on a multi-user.target
2494 [20:25:05] <greycat> What is it supposed to do, delay boot? It won't be able to do any input or output, because there're no file systems, not even a usable console to write to...?
2495 [20:25:08] <dutchfish> retrosenator, on single-user.target delve into systemd-rc-local-generator
2496 [20:25:20] <greycat> So, again, what is the goal?
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2499 [20:25:53] <retrosenator> all it does it display a splash screen on a spi lcd
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2501 [20:26:24] <dutchfish> retrosenator, that should come AFTER rc.local init
2502 [20:26:41] <retrosenator> well this is already 30 seconds after power on
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2504 [20:26:55] <retrosenator> and by then the program that draws to the lcd already started
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2506 [20:27:07] <greycat> You write your service to run as soon as it *CAN* run, which means you figure out what brings up the device nodes that let you talk to this LCD thing, and then you arrange it to run immediately after those device nodes are created and writable.
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2509 [20:27:28] <retrosenator> greycat: this makes sense ok, I just need spidev
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2514 [20:30:31] <retrosenator> I think they are created by the kernel but I could be wrong, they are specified from a hardware overlay
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2518 [20:32:09] <greycat> *shrug* then just give it WantedBy=multi-user.target without any After= and see how it goes?
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2521 [20:34:17] <dutchfish> retrosenator, take a look at `sudo systemctl edit --full rc-local
2522 [20:34:50] <dutchfish> retrosenator, that one is pulled into multi-user.target automatically.
2523 [20:36:14] <greycat> the rc-local service has "After=network-online.target" which is what delays it, I believe
2524 [20:36:40] <dutchfish> greycat, depends on the hardware
2525 [20:37:03] <retrosenator> it's After=network.target
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2527 [20:37:15] <retrosenator> at least on this orangepi zero
2528 [20:37:17] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep After /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/debian.conf
2529 [20:37:17] <greycat> After=network-online.target
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2531 [20:37:31] <greycat> ... so you're not using Debian.
2532 [20:37:33] <greycat> *plonk*
2533 [20:37:38] <dutchfish> retrosenator, oops, orange pi is not Debian?
2534 [20:37:57] <retrosenator> they told me it was "outside the scope of the channel" in #ubuntu
2535 [20:38:00] <dutchfish> retrosenator, all i said was only for Debian systems
2536 [20:38:05] <retrosenator> and honestly you guys have been helping me
2537 [20:38:09] <retrosenator> and I think it applies here
2538 [20:38:32] <retrosenator> sorry if I'm confused
2539 [20:38:46] <dutchfish> retrosenator, well, on Pi/Orange Pi, orders are very much different for a good reason. I am not going into that in here.
2540 [20:39:19] <jelly> orange pi zero is a piece of hardware
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2542 [20:40:29] <pmart> is there a patched version of chromium with video hardware decoding enabled for debian? there is an ubuntu ppa but i don't want to frankendebian my system :)
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2545 [20:41:09] <dutchfish> pmart, there is a soft switch in the config to enforce hw decoding in chromium
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2548 [20:41:45] <pmart> dutchfish: you mean "override hw blacklist"?
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2550 [20:42:16] <pmart> that one doesn't enable acceleration for video
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2554 [20:42:51] <dutchfish> pmart, for a peak chrome://gpu/ (in the url)
2555 [20:43:01] <pmart> chrome://gpu lies
2556 [20:43:11] <dutchfish> pmart, ah, ok
2557 [20:43:14] <pmart> chrome://media-internals says the truth
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2559 [20:43:26] <jelly> pmart: what about google's own build?
2560 [20:43:39] <jelly> (that is, chrome)
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2562 [20:44:07] <pmart> well, it's not like they disabled it for chromium
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2566 [20:44:40] <pmart> replaced-url
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2570 [20:45:14] <pmart> they just haven't accepted it and it's stalled
2571 [20:45:20] <ubentobox_w> hey there, can anyone help me located a log that would be relevant to this error? "OS-OTHER Bash CGI environment variable injection attempt". Attempting to isolate what is targeting this machine with the CGI attempts but not finding anything
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2575 [20:46:01] <jelly> ubentobox_w: which tool generates this message?
2576 [20:46:11] <dutchfish> pmart, 67.0.3396.xx contains grave bugs, expect a patch soon
2577 [20:46:26] <ubentobox_w> I've reviewed syslog, messages, auth, and a few others, but nothing around this
2578 [20:46:28] <ubentobox_w> Firepower
2579 [20:46:58] <greycat> ubentobox_w: I would expect it's doing an apache/nginx log analysis
2580 [20:47:48] <jelly> ubentobox_w: "CGI" suggests it's something related to a web server
2581 [20:48:14] <ubentobox_w> Well I checked both nginx and apache2 on the host, neither had access, error, or other logs altered at the time or within even a few hours. And the nod towards bash caught my attention because back in 2014 there was a remote exec vulnerability by which you could grab sysvars arbitrarily
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2583 [20:48:41] <greycat> injection to me implies it's trying for Shellshock
2584 [20:48:49] <ubentobox_w> and CGI + bash is query capable over SSH/SCP and other connections, not just port 80/443/relevant web apps
2585 [20:48:53] <codekK> Its possible to rename usb gamepad device? I have two controllers that they are the same and i want to rename one
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2587 [20:49:03] <jelly> ubentobox_w: what does this "firepower" do precisely?
2588 [20:49:30] <karlpinc> ubentobox_w: It's _possible_ to have a cgi script written in bash....
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2592 [20:49:56] <ubentobox_w> Cisco Firepower is a network traffic analysis and blocking tool. I'm not the only one, about the same time something started hitting a few machines with this and also Apache struts attempts. Someone in network seemingly invited some malware inside and its attempting to scan
2593 [20:50:02] <greycat> karlpinc: or a shitty php that calls system() which calls /bin/sh which may be a symlink to bash...
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2595 [20:50:44] <greycat> ubentobox_w: so what do you expect #debian to say to you?
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2597 [20:51:23] <pmart> dutchfish: is this bug related to hw decoding?
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2599 [20:51:46] <ubentobox_w> this particular host is a kali debian distro and I had apache2 running for OpenVAS. greycat I was wondering where non-history bash logs would be stored besides messages, syslog, and auth
2600 [20:51:52] <greycat> *plonk*
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2602 [20:52:27] <greycat> It'll be so much quieter once all the Ubuntu and Kali and Raspbian people are on /ignore.
2603 [20:52:34] <ubentobox_w> just trying to make sure I've checked all logs relevant to the issue and that I am not missing something.
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2605 [20:52:40] <greycat> oh, and...
2606 [20:52:42] <greycat> !kali
2607 [20:52:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2608 [20:52:43] <ubentobox_w> Yeah. cause thats helpful. It is Debian.
2609 [20:52:53] <annadane> !tell ubentobox_w about based on debian
2610 [20:53:24] <jelly> ubentobox_w: if it's a blocking tool, perhaps it blocked
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2614 [20:55:06] <jelly> but if you're running a derivative distro it's hard to know what's changed and what's unchanged compared to debian; so this channel's simple way out is not to support any derivative
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2619 [20:56:42] <ubentobox_w> No I understand, but I was speaking more to bash and its logging locations other than .bash_history.
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2622 [20:57:37] <hdt551> I have made a bootable usb drive with a custom stretch install (no gui).
2623 [20:57:55] <hdt551> I want to configure the network to always start with dhcp.
2624 [20:58:35] <jelly> hdt551: what does your preseed.cfg look like if you have any?
2625 [20:59:33] <hdt551> jelly: I must not have one. Or I didn't see one in the build (using linux-live.org)
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2627 [20:59:58] <jelly> I'd ask in
2628 [21:00:12] <jelly> !live
2629 [21:00:13] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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2632 [21:01:05] <jelly> sorry, I thought it was an installer image, not live, preseed might not apply
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2634 [21:02:01] <hdt551> It is a standard install I made - converted to usb with kit from linux-live.org
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2636 [21:02:44] <hdt551> it seems like I can do this using an entry in /lib/systemd/network like 10-dhcp.network
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2638 [21:03:13] <hdt551> it works if I do [Match] Name=* [Network] DHCP=yes
2639 [21:03:35] <hdt551> but if there are 5 interfaces it will match all of them.
2640 [21:04:03] <hdt551> I was hoping there was a way to do something like [MatchOne]
2641 [21:04:33] <hdt551> But I don't see a way to do that looking at the man page.
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2702 [21:44:17] <simbalion> Does the current stable kernel have S0i3 standby support?
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2715 [21:53:27] <karlpinc> simbalion: What's the config parameter? (Looking in my kernel config...)
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2718 [21:53:51] <simbalion> karlpinc: I have no idea >.< I am just quoting someone else who said that feature is required for the new Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th gens
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2720 [21:54:11] <simbalion> I know it's in 4.14 which looks like it's available through backports so there is that
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2739 [22:01:58] <skizzy> Anyone know something about writing linux applications that interface with Wine applications? I want to inject code into the application and read from it's memory
2740 [22:02:06] <skizzy> Do I have to use win32?
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2748 [22:06:23] <jelly> skizzy: you can gdb a wine process as easily as any other process I guess, ask in #winehq
2749 [22:06:37] <uniqdom> skizzy: "I want to inject code into the application and read from it's memory", like an exploit?
2750 [22:06:52] <skizzy> jelly, ok just wonderinf if i'm in the right direction. I'll just learn gdb for now
2751 [22:07:13] <jelly> wine itself has a debugger of its own
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2753 [22:07:54] <skizzy> uniqdom, in a way. just reverese engineering games for curiosity. I guess once i find where things are via gdb I'll need to craft programs to work with the found data. Not a lot of info that i've found so far
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2755 [22:08:44] <skizzy> jelly, thanks, i saw that. I'll check it out too. So it looks like I can make linux programs that will access that application in Wine. or cross compile windows code to do it, not sure
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2762 [22:11:18] <skizzy> I'm finding a lot of resources but most are aimed at windows programmers. Glad I found that i can cross compile to create windows programs on my linux machine
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2775 [22:16:47] <tyrsen> are there any plans for debian to support secureboot?
2776 [22:16:52] <tyrsen> i mean, in the near future
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2793 [22:23:48] <BierDopje> tyrsen: as far as I'm aware, they have pushed it past Stretch
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2796 [22:24:09] <tyrsen> sorry, i'm not familiar. what's that mean in timeline terms?
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2799 [22:24:52] <greycat> Since stretch is already the past, I can't think it means very much now.
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2802 [22:26:21] <v4ult> Hi, I am running Debian Jessie and I seem to be unable to upgrade the certbot package from v0.10.2. I know that v0.24 is available but I can't find a way to upgrade. So far I have upgrading via APT and pip.
2803 [22:26:32] <v4ult> Can anyone advise?
2804 [22:27:12] <bites> ,v certbot
2805 [22:27:13] <judd> Package: certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.10.2-1; stretch-backports: 0.23.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.24.0-2; sid: 0.24.0-2
2806 [22:27:17] <tyrsen> hmm, I see
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2808 [22:27:39] <bites> v4ult: debian doesn't package a newer certbot for jessie.
2809 [22:27:40] <tyrsen> i'm looking at switching my laptop from windows to linux and debian has good support for it so it seemed like a decent choice. lack of secure boot is a little concerning though
2810 [22:27:53] <tyrsen> or is it not something i should be concerned about do you think?
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2812 [22:28:12] <greycat> Does the version you have *work*? If so, why would you want to touch it?
2813 [22:28:16] <tyrsen> i mean, the laptop has very solid bios-lockout before it gets to booting, but obviously secure boot isn't just for physical security
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2815 [22:28:25] <BierDopje> Personally, i'm not concerned with the lack of secure boot, then again, i'm still on Jessie
2816 [22:28:56] <v4ult> bites, thank you
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2819 [22:29:53] <bites> the dependency on microsoft doesn't make secure boot very attractive.
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2823 [22:30:50] <tyrsen> okay, I see
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2857 [22:49:48] <lauterias> guys, i don't store my passwords in clear on the server, i encrypt them with gpg. the problem is, everytime one of my server restarts, i have to log in and do "gpg -d mypasswords.gpg" so the key passphrase gets cached by the agent. is my method common or do you guys do it with a different (better) way?
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2862 [22:52:42] <ubentobox_w> lauterias, generally speaking no one should be storing passwords in the clear.. as far as the gpg, that is a step further than the majority, though I use keepassx
2863 [22:53:29] <ubentobox_w> there are cases though in the wild where people use passwords as a form of identification (have seen, disagree with practice)
2864 [22:53:56] <lauterias> are you using keepassx server side?
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2866 [22:54:18] <ubentobox_w> not on publicly reachable servers
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2868 [22:55:41] <ubentobox_w> also in previous setups FreeIPA (a CentOS based domain environment) allowed kerberos authentication so windows users from internal could login and work on production servers, leaving passwords to be ticket communicated instead of literally typed into the machine
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2870 [22:56:03] <ubentobox_w> also in my previous environments* I used FreeIPA
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2872 [22:57:06] <ubentobox_w> So LDAP server (Windows, linux, or opendirectory) holds the credentials, you initiate a kerberos ticket from the server in question and it validates a ticket session with the LDAP server
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2876 [22:59:10] <ubentobox_w> I wouldn't go that route unless you're managing several servers and wish to have a unified login within the network. You CAN use google authenticator or Okta to 2FA your logins as well for linux hosts
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2913 [23:21:08] <lauterias> ubentobox_w: thanks for your tips
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2915 [23:22:26] <ubentobox_w> np lauterias
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2924 [23:31:15] <jolt> lauterias: There are also some newer tech for auth, like hashicorp vault and others that creates login tokens on the fly with certs in ssh, depends on the usecase really. Not easy to setup either, but I think it might be a little bit more straightforward than LDAP and kerb
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2928 [23:32:51] <tyrsen> anyone have experience with running a second display off thunderbolt connection? is it easy to set up for hotplug in/off?
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2932 [23:33:47] <jolt> I haven't done it with TB, but it was just an event that triggered xrandr for me, and I assume TB would be the same
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2934 [23:34:07] <blz> Hello, I "lost" a RAID10 disk due to an unexpected power outage. Upon rebooting, I see that the disk appears as /dev/sdf and passes all SMART tests. Nevertheless, it isn't currently part of /dev/md1. How can I re-add it to md1?
2935 [23:34:16] <tyrsen> my laptop is listed as having a very good level of compatibility
2936 [23:34:26] <tyrsen> so next month once i'm off work for a few weeks i'm thinking of swapping over from windows
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2938 [23:34:49] <simbalion> anyone have experience using a mac keyboard on a pc running debian (or other linux)?
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2944 [23:37:43] <tyrsen> that was not the right butten
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2947 [23:40:27] <jolt> blz: I think that should be handled by mdadm, maybe try replaced-url
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2949 [23:41:00] <jolt> blz: But plz make sure you have backups before middling with it
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2955 [23:43:24] <annadane> mounting for example an external hard drive would be mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt, not mount /dev/sdb /mnt, right?
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2962 [23:44:46] <tijeretas__> annadane: sdb1 is the first partition of disk sdb. sometimes though, if you only have 1 partition, it could have been created as only sdb (which happened to me on a thumb drive once, but I wouldn't recommend that)
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2965 [23:45:54] <annadane> i gather mounts need to be done in the form of sdb1 though, not sdb
2966 [23:46:02] <jolt> you can use cfdisk -l /dev/sdb to see which partitions are available (if any)
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2968 [23:47:09] <tijeretas__> annadane: typically, yes, but it could be that the entire disk is 1 partition and then has no numbered partitions. do what jolt suggested and find out.
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2970 [23:47:54] <bites> you mount filesystems. filesystems are usually in partitions but don't have to be. you can create a filesystem on /dev/sdb and mount it with mount /dev/sdb /mnt
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