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2 [00:00:19] <adomv> Kelsar: laptop
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4 [00:00:21] <rant> expert975: well thats what dm does.. for lvm, luks, raid, etc.. it maps complex setups so that userland tools can understand them
5 [00:00:25] <Kelsar> adomv: intel cpu?
6 [00:01:01] <rant> expert975: but yeah if it CAN be done, it'd have to be done in the kernel.. and it'd have to expose the partitions to the userland
7 [00:01:03] <adomv> Kelsar: replaced-url
8 [00:01:10] <Kelsar> adomv: then you got two "cards"
9 [00:01:15] <adomv> Kelsar: from running lspci -nn | egrep -i "3d|display|vga"
10 [00:01:23] <adomv> how ??? i got one GPU card. that is nvidia
11 [00:01:23] <adomv> wtf
12 [00:01:31] <Kelsar> adomv: yes, one in cpu and one external, that is called optimus
13 [00:01:35] <rant> expert975: future ref, don't image a whole disk you may want to mount individual partitions of without writing it back to an actual disk :P
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15 [00:01:57] <Kelsar> adomv: basically every intel+nvidia notebook is build that way
16 [00:02:11] <adomv> Kelsar: so can i intall replaced-url
17 [00:02:24] <Kelsar> adomv: depends, follow the bublebee page
18 [00:02:32] <Kelsar> Bumblebee
19 [00:02:37] <adomv> i had bumblebee but with hashcat it didnt work
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21 [00:02:41] <Kelsar> if you are lucky it works
22 [00:03:04] <adomv> do you understand what i said? I intalled it and it didn't work!
23 [00:03:06] <rant> expert975: short version is, you need to figure out where the partition's offset is and pass that as a parameter to the loopback
24 [00:03:07] <Kelsar> you may just use nvidia-drivers, but booth card will keep sucking power
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26 [00:03:20] <adomv> Kelsar: so what do you sugest?
27 [00:03:31] <Kelsar> adomv: try nvidia-drivers or use noveau
28 [00:03:51] <adomv> Kelsar: if i intall nvidia-drivers i will still get these loudly fans?
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30 [00:04:05] <Kelsar> i am kind of lucky, i own one of the few notebooks with a hardware multiplexer...
31 [00:04:15] <Kelsar> adomv: dunno, try it
32 [00:04:16] <adomv> Kelsar: dude you are not clear.
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34 [00:04:23] <rant> expert975: perhaps look at this replaced-url
35 [00:04:29] <Kelsar> adomv: the topic is ... complicated
36 [00:04:37] <adomv> you are complicated?
37 [00:04:38] <Kelsar> and utterly stupid
38 [00:04:52] <adomv> ;_;
39 [00:04:54] <Kelsar> try installing the nvidia drivers, either it works or it don't
40 [00:05:10] <adomv> if i install nvidia drivers do i need to intall bumblebee too?
41 [00:05:16] <rant> expert975: that has several interesting approaches
42 [00:05:41] <Kelsar> adomv: depends on your hardware, try to find something regarding your exact model
43 [00:06:03] <adomv> Kelsar: i dont understand why it says that the instructions on this page do not apply to you
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47 [00:06:16] <adomv> so if its not apply how did he install it? replaced-url
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50 [00:06:36] <adomv> welp
51 [00:06:41] <adomv> i dont want my system die
52 [00:07:16] <Kelsar> adomv: sometimes displays are only connected to one chip and all the output needs to be copied over, or only external displays directly connected to the nvidia part. A few early models got a hardware multiplexer, connecten each output with every card
53 [00:07:25] <Kelsar> adomv: make a backup before?
54 [00:07:41] <adomv> Kelsar: wat backup?
55 [00:07:59] <Kelsar> so your data is not important ^^
56 [00:08:04] <adomv> nvm
57 [00:08:10] <adomv> its just i dont understand what you said
58 [00:08:23] <adomv> "output needs to be copied over"
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60 [00:08:47] <Kelsar> adomv: usually your graphicscard renders a picture and sends it to your display
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62 [00:08:53] <expert975> rant: how do I make sure I'm not corrupting the disk file?
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65 [00:08:59] <expert975> man fdisk
66 [00:09:04] <expert975> Oops
67 [00:09:39] <Kelsar> adomv: with that optimus stuff often one cards renders the picture, but the other card is connected to the display, so the picture gets copied from card1 to card2 which then sents it to the display
68 [00:09:54] <adomv> any recommendation?
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70 [00:10:13] <Kelsar> try installing nvidia-drivers, either it works or it doesn't
71 [00:10:23] <Kelsar> adomv: to be safe, do a backup before
72 [00:10:38] <apls714> hello guys, could some one advise me... I have two laptops. One running Jessie Destop (def. Gnome) and the other one is running Stretch with Gnome desktop. I use external monitor LG and it is a extra-wide monitor. Monitor works fine out of the box with Jessie, but with Stretch, max resolution is limited leaving me with two black panels on the side. Is there something I can to get Stretch to utilize full resolution of my monitor
73 [00:10:38] <apls714> just like it works on Jessie?
74 [00:10:43] <Kelsar> if you can, disable the intel card in bios adomv
75 [00:10:46] <adomv> do i need to do it like that: replaced-url
76 [00:10:49] <adomv> Kelsar: see ^
77 [00:10:59] <Kelsar> won't watch a video
78 [00:11:05] <adomv> why?
79 [00:11:22] <Kelsar> don't want to
80 [00:11:26] <adomv> plz bro
81 [00:11:34] <adomv> its just one second
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85 [00:15:23] <expert975> rant: 'sudo losetup --partscan /dev/loop0 2018-04-18-raspbian-stretch-lite.img' did the trick
86 [00:15:29] <expert975> rant: Thanks :D
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90 [00:19:11] <adomv> should i worry if i get this line? "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169" and "W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays." ?
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93 [00:21:24] <adomv> also need help Add stretch-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list to each line?
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102 [00:25:08] <adomv> can someone help me plz?
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106 [00:27:29] <Javabean> please be patient admov, not everyone "in the room" is at there screen. those that are may not know the answer to your question, thus won't say anything
107 [00:27:32] <adomv> damn.
108 [00:28:14] <adomv> replaced-url
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114 [00:35:44] <adomv> i dont understand why nvidia-detect not working
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118 [00:38:43] <adomv> Kelsar: can you help?
119 [00:38:53] <adomv> god where is at0m ;_;
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121 [00:42:18] <adomv> so is bumblebee replacemenet for nvidia driver?
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124 [00:43:58] <adomv> going to restart and update
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126 [00:44:23] <rant> no
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128 [00:44:48] <adomv> rant: what no
129 [00:44:51] <rant> bumblebee is only for nvidia optimus which is a hybrid setup that uses the CPU and GPU
130 [00:45:10] <rant> optimus is not the same as normal discreet nvidia gfx cards
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132 [00:45:23] <rant> which is why it cant use the same driver
133 [00:45:24] <adomv> i run this line: sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus but i am not sure if it matter because i dont have nvidia... o
134 [00:45:38] <adomv> did i do it wrong?
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136 [00:47:00] <adomv> yes i did Warning: If you choose to install bumblebee-nvidia and the dependent nvidia driver packages
137 [00:47:10] <adomv> so i will remoe it
138 [00:47:14] <adomv> REMOVE
139 [00:48:19] <adomv> it seems i have nvidia-driver package
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144 [00:50:00] <rant> idk how confused you are, but you're confusing enough nobody is listening :P
145 [00:50:01] <adomv> but older version
146 [00:50:12] <adomv> i have the 375.82-1~deb9u1
147 [00:50:33] <adomv> but this is Version 390.48 (via stretch-backports)
148 [00:50:40] <adomv> so do i need to uninstall nvidia-driver and installit again?
149 [00:50:42] <adomv> lol
150 [00:50:48] <adomv> i fucked up my packages/system
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163 [00:53:06] <adomv> this is stupid to buy laptop with nvidia.
164 [00:53:17] <dvs> agreed!
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166 [00:53:25] <adomv> nvidia fuck u bitch
167 [00:53:49] <adomv> or its just the problem with debian is that it only accept free packages and thats what creating the mess
168 [00:53:59] <adomv> but also nvidia not want to create open source drivers too
169 [00:54:07] <adomv> so its complicated
170 [00:54:28] <rant> i look to buy nvidia personally, I just wouldn't touch optimus with a 20 billion lightyear tractor beam
171 [00:54:40] <adomv> touch optimus?
172 [00:54:43] <adomv> are u retard
173 [00:55:00] <adomv> what does nvidia optimus mean i dontget it
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175 [00:55:00] <rant> my 6th grade teacher wondered the same thing
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177 [00:55:17] <adomv> ok i got it
178 [00:55:21] <rant> it means IT IS A HYBRID how many times do I have to say it :P
179 [00:55:29] <adomv> i dont know what hybrid means
180 [00:55:30] <adomv> lol
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182 [00:55:47] <rant> my 6th grade teacher was a real sweet lil phillipino woman who aked everyone "Are you a ra-tard or something?"
183 [00:55:57] <rant> kinda lady you just wanna hug..
184 [00:55:59] <adomv> k im go restart
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186 [00:56:28] <rant> ..around the throat..
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191 [00:57:10] <rant> I'm not sure the people who make this crap even know what it means :P
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194 [00:57:52] <rant> started out CPUs were including graphics functions, then nvidia had this wild idea to make a setup that has a seperate GPU but can work either discreete or as integrated
195 [00:58:04] <rant> idea was to reduce power consumption and heat
196 [00:58:12] <rant> but its just a PITA
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198 [00:58:42] <rant> cause you're sharing a framebuffer between two different processors one of which is turning off at times :P
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201 [00:59:40] <adomv_> hello
202 [00:59:48] <adomv_> so i think its ok now
203 [00:59:54] <adomv_> but i dont know whats happening
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206 [01:00:04] <adomv_> and why its went bad
207 [01:00:05] <rant> personally I think the lenovo hybrid made more sense.. they had an x86_64 cpu combined with an arm cpu on one of their laptops and it could switch between them
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212 [01:00:55] <adomv_> the problem is i dont understand these stuff and dont know where to learn it
213 [01:00:56] <adomv_> like
214 [01:01:29] <rant> with crap like this its better to avoid it than understand it.. I'd sell the damn thing to a windows user and go get somehing thats less a headache
215 [01:01:47] <adomv_> you mean go back to windows?
216 [01:01:55] <adomv_> the problem on windows is BSOD
217 [01:01:59] <rant> no I mean sell the computer to someone else
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219 [01:02:06] <rant> and go buy another one
220 [01:02:14] <rant> windows users like pain.. let them deal with it
221 [01:02:16] <adomv_> what would you buy? mac
222 [01:02:40] <adomv_> sorry if you really dont understand me. im tired. what would you buy then?
223 [01:02:51] <rant> I recently bought an HP t520 thin client with AMD G-Series SoC and Radeon R2E.. works beautifully
224 [01:02:54] <adomv_> most of them comes with windows
225 [01:03:03] <rant> I run two displays, full 3d.. no issues
226 [01:03:14] <adomv_> a printer?
227 [01:03:38] <adomv_> mini laptop?
228 [01:03:41] <rant> no its a thin client
229 [01:04:04] <adomv_> the smaller the worse
230 [01:04:13] <rant> this thing works great
231 [01:04:29] <adomv_> yea
232 [01:04:38] <adomv_> have you wonder how long can it work?
233 [01:04:48] <rant> worked with stretch amd64 out of the box.. only needed to install amd firmware to get both displays working without cloning
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235 [01:05:10] <adomv_> how long can it run ?
236 [01:05:39] <rant> idk decades I'd imagine
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239 [01:07:28] <adomv_> rant: cause of P=NP problem..
240 [01:08:24] <rant> the only problem with P=NP is knowing about P=NP
241 [01:08:51] <adomv_> lol
242 [01:09:04] <rant> to quote dr. Lexus from Idiocracy (2006), "don't worry skrow.. plenny a tards out there livin really kick ass lives.. my first wife was tarded.. she's a pilot now"
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244 [01:09:28] <adomv_> i have no idea what it ays
245 [01:09:38] <Javabean> is that where the quote is from?? thanks rant
246 [01:09:52] <adomv_> the quote is piece of shit
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248 [01:10:20] <adomv_> replaced-url
249 [01:10:37] <Javabean> meh, i heard it in a fan-made "evangelion outakes" video more years ago than i like to consider
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252 [01:11:13] <adomv_> since urban came i cant understand people
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273 [01:27:28] <rant> "The English language had deteriorated into a blend of hillbilly, valley girl, and various grunts... Joe could understand them, but when he spoke in a normal voice, he sounded pompous and faggy to them" - Idiocracy (2006)
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367 [02:29:46] <rex99bbc> hi
368 [02:31:02] <dvs> yo
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370 [02:34:42] <rex99bbc> Why does Debian 9 ship Eclipse 3.8 from like 2012 years ago instead of any newer one? Is it strictly maintainer fault or what?
371 [02:34:57] <rex99bbc> (years ago)*
372 [02:35:15] <dvs> It's the maintainer's fault
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375 [02:37:45] <ryouma> will the transition of jessie to a new security or maintenance team make any practical difference? i just want to know if it increases the need to upgrade to stretch soon.
376 [02:38:28] <themill> rex99bbc: eclipse is basically impossible to package and will be ditched from Debian some time soon
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379 [02:39:13] <rex99bbc> themill: why is that sir? Newest eclipse run just fine out of defaultish debian isntallation with openjdk with no custom packages etc. Whats the catch?
380 [02:39:58] <themill> rex99bbc: the build system tries to go off and download half the java packages known to the universe and it's hard to stop it from doing so and hard to get it to package the right versions of all of them
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382 [02:40:16] <themill> ryouma: fewer architectures are supported and more packages are unsupported in LTS.
383 [02:40:26] <rex99bbc> also process building for Eclipse seems to be VERY wrong in Debian. For example - normal Eclipse have 0 libraries requirents - it runs just off openjdk. while Debian version have like 40 C libraries dependencies.
384 [02:40:46] <themill> no, that's not wrong, that's how it should be done
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387 [02:41:01] <ryouma> themill: is there a list of unsupported packages?
388 [02:41:11] <themill> ryouma: debian-security-support package should include them
389 [02:41:14] <themill> (or the wiki)
390 [02:41:22] <rex99bbc> how come? why so huge disspersion between debian eclipse and compiled one? 0 vs 50 libaries dependencies?
391 [02:41:50] <themill> rex99bbc: because when you download eclipse you're also downloading a pile of old, unsupported, unmaintained and unpatched versions of those libraries
392 [02:42:17] <themill> You're not magically avoiding those dependencies
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394 [02:44:33] <ryouma> there is no man page for debian-security-support. is it hooked into apt-get so it notifies you or something?
395 [02:45:15] <themill> check-support-status
396 [02:45:22] <themill> but it's basically text files
397 [02:46:57] <ryouma> can i find out what packages will be unsupported before the transition? the man page doesn't seem to show an option for future unsupported.
398 [02:47:25] <ryouma> (i should really just upgrade, but i am afraid of snags)
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400 [02:48:05] <Tech_Guy> hi
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402 [02:48:28] <themill> ryouma: not sure if that's announced yet
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404 [02:48:54] <ryouma> ok
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406 [02:49:28] <ryouma> sounds like there will be a difference, so next weekend might be good times to try upgrading
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410 [02:53:52] <rex99bbc> themill: so as I see: Eclipspse have a lot of requirments [a lot of third-party JARs). So Debian needs to compile them as well - to avoid binary blobs. Ok it makes sense - but still, why in hell Eclipse from official site have ZERO C libraries dependencies while Debian one have like 50 of them? How is that even possible
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414 [02:56:01] <ryouma> static libraries maybe?
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416 [02:56:33] <ryouma> big fat binary?
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420 [03:00:20] <themill> rex99bbc: they're just compiled in
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424 [03:02:38] <rex99bbc> themill: Does it make sense to become Debian Developer/Maintainer to try to save/update Eclipse? or its overkill?
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430 [03:12:21] <themill> rex99bbc: you don't need to do that to become the package maintainer -- if it means that much to you, then sure, please do.
431 [03:13:06] <themill> rex99bbc: you'll find discussions of what to do about eclipse on the debian-java mailing list over the last couple of years. (I think there was some discussion about how to remove it last month)
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436 [03:17:03] <rex99bbc> thank you
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450 [03:26:42] <Tech_Guy> whats eclipse
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453 [03:29:13] <somiaj> Tech_Guy: a java development enviorment
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531 [04:33:35] <birdbolt1> replaced-url
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536 [04:34:54] <somiaj> birdbolt1: the shell keeps things in memory, try to logout/back in and see what whereis nginx returns
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541 [04:35:31] <birdbolt1> umm...can i flush the shell's cache somehow?
542 [04:35:35] <birdbolt1> or close it before coming back?
543 [04:35:49] <birdbolt1> i have a bunch of other things open and id really like them to remain so
544 [04:35:52] <somiaj> not sure, but I find that with witch, not use to whereis.
545 [04:36:04] <somiaj> birdbolt1: run login in your shell and open up a new shell
546 [04:36:16] <birdbolt1> I know for sure that is not the issue actually, cuz localhost shows me that page
547 [04:36:16] <somiaj> birdbolt1: arg, run bash
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549 [04:36:46] <somiaj> birdbolt1: what does 'ls -l /usr/sbin/nginx' output?
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551 [04:37:09] <birdbolt1> blank
552 [04:37:33] <birdbolt1> well actually it shows >
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555 [04:37:36] <somiaj> see the file isn't there, it is somewhere in the memeory that the file is there. If it isn't the shell doing this, it is something else.
556 [04:37:39] <birdbolt1> and i can type and backspace
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559 [04:38:11] <birdbolt1> areplaced-url
560 [04:38:18] <somiaj> I wonder if whereis is using the locate database, not quite sure what whereis uses to get this info.
561 [04:38:30] <somiaj> birdbolt1: just run 'bash', and the new shell shoudln't see it
562 [04:38:52] <somiaj> you could also du 'su -' and have a new login, and new enviormetn
563 [04:39:14] <birdbolt1> alright trying that
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569 [04:41:02] <birdbolt1> ookay, if indeed its NOT there, how come my browser shows me the default nginx page when i go to localhost
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571 [04:41:30] <birdbolt1> in new shell instance, ls /etc/nginx also shows normal contents of nginx install
572 [04:41:58] <birdbolt1> this being said, I've tried to remove it in the new shell and it still says its not there
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575 [04:42:19] <somiaj> it could be the server is still running in memory
576 [04:42:28] <somiaj> or do you have another webserver installed?
577 [04:42:30] <birdbolt1> wow, thats a thing?
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579 [04:42:41] <birdbolt1> nope only nginx
580 [04:42:45] <somiaj> you didn't purge nginx, maybe some of its data files are floating around.
581 [04:42:58] <somiaj> yes, you can have a program running in memeory and remove the binary, and it still be there
582 [04:43:04] <birdbolt1> will remove work a second time if I add purge?
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584 [04:43:52] <birdbolt1> alright, it didnts. I'll just do a good ole restart
585 [04:43:56] <somiaj> though I'm surprised the remove script didn't kill the process. It could also be your browser is caching, most browsers are very agressive on caching and will give you a cache
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588 [04:44:32] <birdbolt1> ctrl f5 usually forces chrome to pull a fresh page
589 [04:44:37] <birdbolt1> it still shows
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591 [04:46:09] <somiaj> even then, chrome is quite agressive, you have to use developer tools to completly disable it. but here
592 [04:46:44] <somiaj> 'ps fax | grep nginx' is nginx running still?
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595 [04:48:01] <birdbolt1> replaced-url
596 [04:48:04] <birdbolt1> yep still there
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598 [04:48:10] <somiaj> birdbolt1: kill -9 the process
599 [04:48:13] <birdbolt1> and 4 times it seem?
600 [04:48:17] <somiaj> birdbolt1: use the pid
601 [04:48:25] <somiaj> birdbolt1: or killall -9 nginx
602 [04:48:33] <birdbolt1> got it
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604 [04:48:56] <birdbolt1> wait
605 [04:49:05] <birdbolt1> whats the -9 flag
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607 [04:49:23] <somiaj> the most agressive flag
608 [04:50:05] <somiaj> kill sends a signal, the default is SIGQUIT, which asks the program to quit, -9 or SIGKILL which basically says kill it, and don't care what the process wants
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611 [04:50:35] <birdbolt1> replaced-url
612 [04:50:36] <somiaj> kill sends signals, 'kill -l' lists all the signals you can send
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615 [04:50:43] <birdbolt1> lol it still shows something there
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618 [04:52:22] <somiaj> that is your browser cache most likely if you killed all the processes.
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625 [04:58:40] <birdbolt1> okay doesnt show up in browser anymore nice
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643 [05:17:04] <dka> Hi have installed debian 9 and I am doing `sudo ifconfig`, I have disabled ipv6, I cant find my ipv4
644 [05:17:40] <jgkamat> Try 'ip a'
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654 [05:23:20] <dka> Oh I have one
655 [05:23:25] <dka> why dont I see the same interface with ifconfig /
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662 [05:28:15] <rjsalts> I've just bought a new computer and am debating on what filesystem to use. zfs is currently the best option for a filesystem with block checksums isn't it? What about dm-integrity, does that checksum blocks for just dm-crypt targets or can it give assurances about non-encrypted filesystems?
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668 [05:31:21] <somiaj> rjsalts: for linux I suggest using ext4 as it is very well tested and stable. zfs for linux support is still quite new.
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673 [05:32:26] <somiaj> rjsalts: though I'm unsure on some of the more advanced features of file systems like zfs or maybe btrfs, they have their use, but ext4 works fine for most things, and lvm can do a lot of the snapshot and other features needed.
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676 [05:33:01] <somiaj> dka: ifconfig -a (ifconfig -- the older tool -- only shows configured intefaces by default, unlike ip)
677 [05:33:36] <rjsalts> I've generally used xfs and haven't had a problem, but realize that it only checksums filesystem metadata
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679 [05:33:54] <rjsalts> I was under the impression that ext4 didn't do the checksumming either
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681 [05:34:24] <somiaj> It probably doesn't, as said I don't use many of these advanced features, and ext4 is decent for most use.
682 [05:34:47] <somiaj> ext4 does journaling, which seems to be similar, but not the same thing.
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684 [05:35:17] <dka> ty
685 [05:35:32] <somiaj> seems since 3.6 ext4 supports metadat checksumming, and you can mount the file system with journal_checksum
686 [05:35:57] <somiaj> replaced-url
687 [05:36:04] <rjsalts> yeah, ext4/xfs seem similar in features
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689 [05:37:38] <somiaj> but in terms of well tested, ext4 + lvm seems to be the solid standard, though the other file systems have their use. My generic advise is, if you are unsure, use ext4.
690 [05:38:08] <rjsalts> I would stick with xfs, I've been using it for 15 - 20 years
691 [05:38:59] <rjsalts> and redhat seems to have voted for xfs, making it the default filesystem in RHEL7
692 [05:39:44] <somiaj> things keep changing, btrfs was going to be the ext4 replacement for a while, now it is xfs? My needs are simple so I just stick with ext4.
693 [05:40:01] <rjsalts> xfs is older than ext4
694 [05:40:55] <rjsalts> 1994 vs 2006
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696 [05:41:05] <somiaj> sure, so is zfs, but in terms of linux support. Seems xfs was only added to the linux kernel in 2001.
697 [05:41:19] <somiaj> well ext4 is ext2 + extensions, so I wouldn't use 2006 as its intial date.
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699 [05:42:52] <somiaj> but seems xfs is what you are use to, so stick with it.
700 [05:43:39] <rjsalts> yeah, I'd just like to explore getting data checksums, and btrfs seems to still be unwise
701 [05:44:27] <somiaj> maybe test it on a not critical partition, zfsonlinux seems fairly popular, though I think it is mostly because it is now avaiable to linux.
702 [05:46:49] <rjsalts> nilfs2 also looks like it checksums data, but looks to be lacking in other things like acls/security labels
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747 [06:18:26] <Tech_8> wikipeida says debian is unixlike, but I thoguht it was linux
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834 [07:36:11] <Guest28683> i am using a line in /etc/crypttab to automatically assign a luks keyfile to an external volume, and a line in fstab to mount that volume after decrypting the key on boot. however that volume is not always attached to the computer on startup and when it is not, I boot into an emergency shell after 1 minute or so. how can i configure crypttab of fstab to work with a not always attached external
835 [07:36:17] <Guest28683> encrypted volume so that it just skips it if it is not attached?
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837 [07:36:52] <birdbolt1> ifconfig doesnt work in debian?
838 [07:37:02] <birdbolt1> whats the alternative here?
839 [07:37:09] <Guest28683> birdbolt1: ip addr
840 [07:37:17] <birdbolt1> ty
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988 [08:57:11] <Rembo> i'm getting this after patching my ubuntu server, what do i need to do? : pyOpenSSL module is not found. To be able to validate SSL certificates of hosts with SNI support please, install pyOpenSSL >= 0.13
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1036 [09:24:52] <annadane> !ubuntu
1037 [09:24:52] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1038 [09:24:54] <annadane> Rembo, ^
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1071 [09:45:00] <rant> dpkg, tell annadane about tell
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1079 [09:52:04] <frikinz> Hi. What would you suggest if I wanted to try an unstable package (which isn't backported) while keeping a stretch base. I'm thinking about gitlab.. I know debootstrap but wondering if anything lightweight would do?
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1081 [09:52:30] <frikinz> That would even probably be packages from experimental.
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1100 [10:03:11] <jelly> frikinz: make a backport yourself
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1104 [10:05:39] <frikinz> jelly: I did this for a lets encrypt plugin but gitlab is a beast :)
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1117 [10:10:56] <buoyantair> Why does debian not come with git installed? :O
1118 [10:11:19] <shtrb|work> why should it ?
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1121 [10:12:18] <iflema> build_essential? is that still a thing?
1122 [10:12:23] <jolt> buoyantair: everything is a package!
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1125 [10:12:29] <buoyantair> Ah okay, I assumed that since most of the linux distros seem to have git installed by default, debian also does the same.
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1127 [10:12:39] <buoyantair> jolt: Yes :D
1128 [10:12:47] <jolt> buoyantair: I rarely need git on my servers, so I'm happy it's not installed per defautl
1129 [10:13:16] <pingfloyd> per default for which task?
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1131 [10:13:30] <pingfloyd> desktop?
1132 [10:13:43] <pingfloyd> definitely should not be in the base ever
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1134 [10:14:17] <jelly> !installit
1135 [10:14:17] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
1136 [10:14:19] <buoyantair> jolt, pingfloyd: Ah okay. so since debian is mostly used for servers, its better to keep the minimum stuff around? I guess thats what debian does :D
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1138 [10:14:37] <jolt> buoyantair: No, what I meant what was: Everyone has different needs!
1139 [10:14:47] <buoyantair> jolt: I agree.
1140 [10:15:10] <jolt> And if you need something, just install it. It's not like it isn't available.
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1142 [10:15:16] <pingfloyd> debian isn't necessarily used most for servers
1143 [10:15:37] <pingfloyd> there's also server task by the way
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1146 [10:17:16] <buoyantair> pingfloyd: I don't know beyond that, but thx :)
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1158 [10:25:12] <dka> I have issue using keyboard layout 'English (US, alternative international)', I expect to be able to write accent using key ' and key ALT, but it does not work. For example, I can't write properly "Élève", Instead I am writing 'El`eve , why and how can I correct this?
1159 [10:25:39] <shtrb|work> dka , US english does not have accents
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1162 [10:26:10] <dka> the ISO keyboard does
1163 [10:26:15] <dka> I use it all the time
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1165 [10:28:08] <AfonsoHenriques> debian is sweet for everything. About utilies, anyone can help me saying which application can make less hard the life of anyone who needs to manage thousands of textual data? Im into keepnote already, but isn't practical enough to my needs
1166 [10:28:16] <shtrb|work> dka, try alt Gr
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1168 [10:28:33] <nbouchin`> emacs
1169 [10:28:35] <dka> Thats the alt that is supposed to do it, but it does not
1170 [10:28:41] <petn-randall> AfonsoHenriques: text data of what? What would you like to do with it?
1171 [10:28:43] <dka> Instead it make this : 'e
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1173 [10:29:54] <shtrb|work> dka, did you touch composite key configuration (and are you sure you are using the right alt and not the left one) ?
1174 [10:30:14] <shtrb|work> is your local en_US.UTF-8 ?
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1180 [10:31:32] <dka> replaced-url
1181 [10:31:33] <AfonsoHenriques> text data of cool things. I'd like to record anything I did with one of the text data (registering what I've done/in which hour/minute I did what I've done, etc).
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1185 [10:33:02] <AfonsoHenriques> ...do things like this without literally typing everything (like notepad of ruindows or even keepnote)
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1187 [10:33:07] <dka> edka@dev-01:[~]: echo $LANG
1188 [10:33:08] <dka> en_US.UTF-8
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1191 [10:33:23] <petn-randall> AfonsoHenriques: That is quite vague. I don't know if we can help you with that if you keep it so. What are these "cool things"? Poems? Fan fiction? Recipes? Love letters? A bucket list?
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1193 [10:33:49] <Krisostoomus> replaced-url
1194 [10:33:52] <AfonsoHenriques> love letters
1195 [10:33:58] <AfonsoHenriques> in plain text
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1200 [10:34:51] <petn-randall> The pic is not safe for work, FYI.
1201 [10:34:57] <AfonsoHenriques> damn what a retard
1202 [10:35:45] <somiaj> AfonsoHenriques: there are no sortage of tools that can edit text files. A big part is deciding how you want to manage them. I personally juse use the file system and a shell.
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1205 [10:38:08] <petn-randall> AfonsoHenriques: I see. Nice! You could use various tools to index them, that you can search for single words to find which love letters contain which word. Or create word clouds of them.
1206 [10:38:24] <petn-randall> It really depends on what you actually want to do, though.
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1208 [10:39:28] <shtrb|work> AfonsoHenriques, are you trying to do some analytical work on already existing files ?
1209 [10:40:33] <AfonsoHenriques> somiaj, Hm. Actually I think the same (before make my question, I installed ~50 document managers/password managers: Nothing were more suitable for me than keepnote; in exchange I lost 12 hours, 6x my patience and many pills for "CNS overclocking"
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1213 [10:44:31] <jolt> AfonsoHenriques: I've started to look at CherryTree, but I haven't switch from plain markdown files and syncthing
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1216 [10:44:57] <frikinz> I'm using CherryTree for a few month also. But the UI is not that great and rendering a bit ugly
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1218 [10:45:04] <frikinz> imo..
1219 [10:45:23] <AfonsoHenriques> shtrb|work, sort of. But since a myriad of stuff I have to do (always - fucking always - there's tons of work, none of them easy), I think its better to stick with keepnote.
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1221 [10:46:02] <AfonsoHenriques> frikinz, thanks! I'll install it though
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1223 [10:47:03] <frikinz> Depends on your need yes. For me, it's install tutorials, code snippets, etc.. I thought about a mind mapping tool but didn't really find one nice, easy
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1225 [10:47:26] <frikinz> Again visually it was poor.
1226 [10:48:02] <frikinz> I might go back to vim and markdown
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1232 [10:55:31] <AfonsoHenriques> yes! I tried "mind mappers". Man, my experience with this kind of application was pure regret. Even for memorization ["flashcards"], no one seemed to be useful. (I'm a law graduate, programming isn't my area -- but in a civil law system you cant imagine how many not-quite-clearly-information we need to memorize).
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1235 [10:56:35] <babilen> org-mode + git-annex (w/ assistant)
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1243 [11:00:25] <AfonsoHenriques> but again, thanks. I will be afk. If not low doses of ritalin with a little much coffee can't wipe this disgusting feeling called "sleepiness", there's (also) no choice too... See y'all later. Nice day idem.
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1341 [11:56:40] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
1342 [11:56:40] <SanchoPensa> there seems to be a new networking mechanism in Debian, as my interfaces nowadays arent called eth0 eth1 etc any longer, but enp4s0?
1343 [11:56:41] <SanchoPensa> Hod do I add additional IP adresses to /etc/network/Interfaces nowadays?
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1345 [11:57:52] <jolt> SanchoPensa: I just add them as usual, it's just the naming convention that has changed
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1347 [11:58:10] <SanchoPensa> so simply enp4s0:0 ?
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1349 [11:58:21] <SanchoPensa> enp4s0:1 asf aso?
1350 [11:58:29] <jolt> SanchoPensa: If that is what you used to do, yes
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1352 [11:58:41] <SanchoPensa> yes, i did! thanks a lot!
1353 [11:59:14] <jolt> SanchoPensa: It's how then kernel handles naming that has changed (but can be disabled), not the interfaces file
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1356 [11:59:58] <SanchoPensa> jolt: so no worries then. i basically really dont care, what the interface is called, as long, as i know. thamks m8!
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1358 [12:00:26] <jolt> SanchoPensa: np!
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1478 [12:20:38] <JohnA> why doesn't this work in cron but works elsewhere - "0 *12 * * * root sleep $[RANDOM % 1800 + 1} && comand to run" keep getting error " invalid sleep interval ${Random ..."
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1492 [12:20:58] <JohnA> *random = RANDOM
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1503 [12:22:13] <ikanobori> Probably because cron uses a different shell tahn what you expect it to use.
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1505 [12:22:26] <ikanobori> Which shell supports $[RANDOM % 1800 +1} with that weird syntax?
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1509 [12:23:00] <colo-work> that's got to be a syntax error _everywhere
1510 [12:23:01] <colo-work> _
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1512 [12:23:10] <colo-work> [ and } don't match
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1524 [12:25:00] <ikanobori> Maybe he means $(((RANDOM % 1800) + 1))
1525 [12:25:03] <ikanobori> Instead of the above.
1526 [12:25:04] <JohnA> ikanobori: colo-work: it seems to work with bash, but not sh. Whats odd about the syntax - I want to wait a random interval between 1 and 1800 seconds before running the rest of the job.
1527 [12:25:05] <ikanobori> But I dunno.
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1530 [12:25:27] <colo-work> $RANDOM is a bashism
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1534 [12:25:46] <ikanobori> Oh I thought /bin/sh was dash in Debian, in that case if it works in bash/dash then you can set a SHELL= in your crontab file or execute it all with bash -c '...'
1535 [12:25:48] <colo-work> $(( ${RANDOM} % 1800 +1 ))
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1538 [12:25:53] <colo-work> is what you probably want
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1597 [12:58:42] <JohnA> colo-work: ikanobori : I have tried every one of the suggestions - hate to say it but none of the work.
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1602 [13:00:20] <colo-work> JohnA, replaced-url
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1605 [13:00:48] <donkey_boy> hi everyone burn all jews in oven
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1609 [13:02:17] <JohnA> colo-work: ikanobori : current entry with SHELL=/bin/bash is "*2 * * * * root sleep $(( ${RANDOM} % 90 + 1 ))" produces unexpected EOF while looking for )
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1612 [13:03:06] <ikanobori> JohnA: Did you set SHELL=/bin/bash
1613 [13:03:38] <JohnA> ikanobori: colo-work: yes SHELL=/bin/bash
1614 [13:04:21] <cef> JohnA: use `sleep $((RANDOM % 1800 + 1))` . no need for the ${} around RANDOM with bash
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1618 [13:05:02] <cef> (if you using it in $(()) that is
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1620 [13:05:24] <plasmoduck> I stay in a share house where I don't have admin access to the router, I have to give the owner the IP of any device I wish to access the internet which is a pain in the ass and he is going to start asking why I need so many devices connected, So my question is, is it possible to have multiple devices connected under 1 ip on his router? like have a box connected to the router via wifi, then have a switch connected to that box with ethernet
1621 [13:05:24] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> and connect all my other devices to the ethernet swith and tell the box/switch to assign the ips to my devices. That way he only see's 1 ip device connected to his router. Is this possible? Or an I dreaming?
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1624 [13:06:25] <cef> easy shell tests: `echo ${RANDOM % 1800 + 1}` and `bash -c 'echo $((RANDOM % 1800 + 1))'`
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1626 [13:06:50] <petemc> plasmoduck: that is indeed possible, you may end up with double nat tho
1627 [13:07:07] <plasmoduck> double nat?
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1629 [13:07:12] <plasmoduck> So how would I do it?
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1631 [13:07:44] <p0g0> plasmoduck: get the guy to offer you your own network (192.168.2.xxx, for example), and route that. You'd then have the entire range to play with, on your own router.
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1634 [13:08:38] <darxmurf> plasmoduck: I have this setup for 2 clients
1635 [13:09:09] <darxmurf> [internet box from provider] -> [pfSense machine] -> [][][][][]computers
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1637 [13:09:36] <darxmurf> forwarded everything from internet box to pfSense and then pfsense to computers as I want
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1642 [13:11:09] <colo-work> JohnA, crontab requires % to be escaped
1643 [13:11:11] <colo-work> iirc
1644 [13:11:19] <colo-work> also, why don't you just write a wrapper script?
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1646 [13:12:12] <cef> of course, simply using a ordinary router in NAT mode (or setting up a linux box as the nat device) will most likely work for 99% of the stuff. I use it at work a bit, with extra rules on the nat box to block access to the rest of the network.
1647 [13:12:39] <colo-work> JohnA, replaced-url
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1654 [13:15:54] <plasmoduck> p0g0, I don't think he knows how to do that
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1656 [13:16:43] <plasmoduck> Im guessing I need a box with wifi ethernet and I bridge the wifi to the ethernet, plug the ethernet into my switch and plug all my other devies in the he switch
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1658 [13:17:04] <plasmoduck> then I do some dhcp magic on that box
1659 [13:17:24] <p0g0> plasmoduck: well, do you? You could offer to put your router as the gateway, and just route to the old router with the same address space it uses already.
1660 [13:17:26] <plasmoduck> auto assign dhcp ips to clients
1661 [13:17:56] <plasmoduck> I have no idea either
1662 [13:18:00] <p0g0> You could bridge, and you could do that over the cable too, if you don't want to use wifi.
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1664 [13:18:05] <p0g0> ah, OK
1665 [13:18:10] <JohnA> colo-work, ikanobori, cef: Thanks you all for the help. escaping the % seemed to do the trick.
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1668 [13:19:51] <JohnA> colo-work, ikanobori, cef: plus switching to bash!
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1695 [13:36:05] <jelly> !kernel
1696 [13:36:07] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.17, stable 4.16: 4.16.13, longterm 4.14: 4.14.47, longterm 4.9: 4.9.105, longterm 4.4: 4.4.135, longterm 4.1: 4.1.52 (EOL), longterm 3.18: 3.18.112 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.56, longterm 3.2: 3.2.102 (EOL), linux-next: next-20180601
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1718 [13:48:24] <Celuron300> Hi. Lets say that I wand to become developer/maintainer. I should start working on testing branch until freeze or prepare and wait till Debian Bullseye development will start?
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1721 [13:49:06] <petn-randall> Celuron300: There are many ways to contribute. You don't have to wait for buster to freeze for that.
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1723 [13:51:32] <petn-randall> !how can I help
1724 [13:51:32] <dpkg> Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. replaced-url
1725 [13:51:36] <petn-randall> Celuron300: ^^^
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1734 [13:55:51] <Celuron300> !wnpp
1735 [13:55:51] <dpkg> For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at replaced-url
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1737 [13:56:08] <Celuron300> !devscripts
1738 [13:56:08] <dpkg> rumour has it, devscripts is a package containing useful scripts for working with Debian source and binary packages, bugs, patches etc. Of particular interest are: <dch>, dget, <mk-build-deps>, <rc-alert>, wnpp-alert. <uscan>
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1741 [13:58:19] <Celuron300> Can I somehow see ALL bugs in replaced-url
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1743 [13:59:20] <Celuron300> Lets say that I want to fix some build bugs but I dont care from what package they came from.
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1752 [14:04:25] <jelly> Celuron300: but thru the web interface, it's too slow. You can probably download the whole bug database (there's a public rsync) and do a more exhaustive search on a local copy
1753 [14:04:32] <jelly> not* thru the web
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1761 [14:09:14] <petn-randall> Celuron300: There's also a welcome tag for newbie-friendly bugs.
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1763 [14:09:37] <petn-randall> Celuron300: You won't be able to upload packages to Debian, so you'll usually have to work together with the maintainer.
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1766 [14:11:19] <Celuron300> Ok. and what about those "RFP" requets? "request for pack". If I will craate debian source and deb package - then i will become maintainer of such software, or softare will be just accepted into Debian experimental reposiotry and someone will become its mainainer later?
1767 [14:11:37] <Celuron300> as in :replaced-url
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1769 [14:12:42] <petn-randall> Celuron300: No, you don't become a maintainer just by packaging software. You need to go through the Debian Mainer process, which is a rather long-term process. However, if you want to, there's always:
1770 [14:12:46] <petn-randall> !debian-mentors
1771 [14:12:46] <dpkg> Find packaging help for the Debian project in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. If the channel is invite-only it's because you missed it being on OFTC.
1772 [14:13:08] <petn-randall> s/Mainer/Maintainer/
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1825 [14:45:25] <thescientist> Hi. I'm having trouble with the clock and calendar. Today I woke the computer from sleep and both the clock and calendar were wrong. This also happened last week (I don't remember if in the same situation). I fixed both with 2 terminal commands but I would prefer to fix this permanently. Can anyone help me?
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1834 [14:49:49] <jhutchins> thescientist: Which release are you running? Which desktop? Do you have anything like NTP that would update the clock when it "wakes up"? It would naturally resume time from the point at which it "went to sleep".
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1838 [14:51:01] <jhutchins> What commands did you use to correct the clock?
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1841 [14:51:55] <iveqy> Hi, I've just a fresh debian stretch version installed and is unable to install perl since: perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.24.1-3+deb9u2) but 5.24.1-3+deb9u3 is to be installed
1842 [14:52:02] <iveqy> is debian broken?
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1848 [14:54:08] <thescientist> jhutchins, I'm on buster for 2/3 months and never had this problem before. I'm using Openbox from the Crunchbangplusplus distro. I read about NTP while trying to fix this and checking synaptic it shows as installed.
1849 [14:54:26] <jelly> iveqy: verify the sources.list is complete
1850 [14:54:31] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
1851 [14:54:31] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1852 [14:54:51] <iveqy> jelly: deb replaced-url
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1857 [14:55:04] <jelly> iveqy: that's not right.
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1860 [14:55:22] <iveqy> why not?
1861 [14:55:24] <thescientist> jhutchins, the commands were sudo date +%Y%m%d -s "20180604" and sudo date +%T -s "09:48:00"
1862 [14:55:29] <pWnGe> apt --fix-broken-install
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1864 [14:55:46] <jelly> iveqy: because it's incorrect and incomplete
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1868 [14:56:50] <CyberManifest> Which version of Debian is Ubuntu 18.04 based on?
1869 [14:56:54] <jelly> iveqy: did dpkg bot say something above? if it did, follow its advice (by current irc client is slightly broken so I don't see dpkg's messages)
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1872 [14:57:05] <jelly> CyberManifest: best ask ubuntu people, we don't know
1873 [14:57:14] <darxmurf> yes it did :-)
1874 [14:57:22] <CyberManifest> jelly: they didn't know either
1875 [14:57:41] <darxmurf> iveqy: your sources file should looks like: replaced-url
1876 [14:58:05] <darxmurf> replace the country code with what you want
1877 [14:58:30] <darxmurf> the backports line is optional
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1880 [14:59:38] <iveqy> jelly, darxmurf thanks. I believe it works now
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1906 [15:14:02] <thescientist> jhutchins:I'm on buster for 2/3 months and never had this problem before. I'm using Openbox from the Crunchbangplusplus distro. I read about NTP while trying to fix this and checking synaptic it shows as installed.
1907 [15:14:22] <thescientist> jhutchins: the commands were sudo date +%Y%m%d -s "20180604" and sudo date +%T -s "09:48:00"
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1932 [15:21:31] <mrtnt> I need to run firefox-esr:i386 and firefox-esr:amd64 in the same machine because I need to run legacy Java applets. What are my options here? Run a x86 virtual machine, install the firefox-esr:i386 there and connect to it over VNC?
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1934 [15:22:36] <jelly> mrtnt: run one inside a chroot
1935 [15:23:03] <jelly> helper tools like schroot might, er, help
1936 [15:23:28] <mrtnt> jelly: ok, I'll look into this. Thanks!
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1945 [15:26:17] <jelly> (or I guess inside a light container solution like docker)
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1949 [15:27:18] <xylaoo> replaced-url
1950 [15:27:23] <colo-work> also, systemd-container
1951 [15:27:33] <colo-work> @ mrtnt, jelly
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1962 [15:32:22] <RoyK> hm - systemd-nspawn looks interesting :)
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1981 [15:39:46] <NetTerminalGene> ,qemu
1982 [15:39:57] <NetTerminalGene> .qemu
1983 [15:40:14] <NetTerminalGene> how can i look the version number here?
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1985 [15:44:02] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: /msg judd version qemu
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1992 [15:47:56] <jelly> or v instead of version
1993 [15:49:04] <NetTerminalGene> it says qemu versions are "stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4" if you look the security notices in debian.org, it says it is fixed 2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4 version number. so, my repos is missing?
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1997 [15:50:36] <oo_miguel> Do fonts assembled with "birdfont" seriously require to be released under a particular license?
1998 [15:50:51] <jelly> ,v qemu
1999 [15:50:52] <judd> Package: qemu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u25; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.8+dfsg-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4; buster:
2000 [15:50:53] <judd> 1:2.12+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:2.12+dfsg-3
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2003 [15:51:01] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: and stretch-security?
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2007 [15:52:04] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, i have deb replaced-url
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2010 [15:52:17] <NetTerminalGene> but i don't have the latest qemu package
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2012 [15:53:20] <oo_miguel> ah I guess the restriction applies to the binary version on the birdfont.org website only
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2022 [15:55:29] <NetTerminalGene> oo_miguel, what do you mean? are you talking to me?
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2025 [15:56:00] <themill> !bat
2026 [15:56:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2027 [15:56:06] <themill> ^^ NetTerminalGene
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2029 [15:56:47] <oo_miguel> NetTerminalGene: I was asking about the license restrictions on fonts assembled via birdfont. (I am not talking to you explicitly)
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2033 [15:58:05] <NetTerminalGene> themill, ahh "apt-cache policy qemu" says it is latest qemu, but "apt-cache show qemu" says it is old version. so, do i have the latest version?
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2035 [15:58:26] <themill> what dpkg said
2036 [15:58:47] <NetTerminalGene> themill, what is the full command?
2037 [15:58:59] <themill> you typed it
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2039 [15:59:36] <NetTerminalGene> themill, ?
2040 [16:00:05] <themill> You're the one who doesn't like some output from some command. I need you communicate that to me rather than hoping that I will guess it
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2043 [16:00:55] <NetTerminalGene> "apt-cache policy qemu" says it is latest qemu. is it that hard to tell if it is latest?
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2046 [16:01:19] <greycat> I've never seen apt-cache policy xxx write the words "it is latest" anywhere.
2047 [16:01:20] <themill> the word "latest" does not appear in the output of apt-cache policy
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2050 [16:02:53] <NetTerminalGene> i mean it says "installed: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u4" which is latest
2051 [16:03:02] <themill> so what's the issue?
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2054 [16:04:21] <NetTerminalGene> themill, "apt-cache show" shows old version
2055 [16:04:29] <themill> and you've pastebinned that?
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2069 [16:07:22] <NetTerminalGene> themill, i think what i paste here is enough
2070 [16:07:43] <NetTerminalGene> but nevermind. you guys are offensive
2071 [16:07:46] <themill> I think it isn't. Now what?
2072 [16:07:51] <NetTerminalGene> i will ask somewhere else
2073 [16:07:56] <themill> I think you need to look at the output more closely.
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2075 [16:08:06] <themill> (and I was hoping you would do so in pastebinning it)
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2081 [16:10:29] <NetTerminalGene> guess what! "apt show qemu" also says the latest version now! it is insane!
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2083 [16:11:33] <themill> It did before too. If you shared the output we'd have been able to help you interpret it 15min ago.
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2096 [16:20:21] <Megaf> Hi all, my nouvau driver is seg faulting all 3D apps. gdb output -> replaced-url
2097 [16:20:33] <Nothing4You> is there an easy way to create some kind of snapshot to bundle the packages i need with a specific preseed on an image so it can be installed offline?
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2107 [16:32:03] <pingfloyd> apt-cache show usually shows all candidates
2108 [16:33:01] <Tenacious-Techhu> Can anyone test netsurf-fb without a Desktop Environment, and tell me if it draws to the framebuffer correctly?
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2121 [16:40:48] <jelly> Nothing4You: debootstrap a base system with desired release, install stuff in it, save the installed package list?
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2140 [16:53:03] <Nothing4You> jelly: that doesn't contain the list of packages required for the installer itself, does it?
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2168 [17:03:14] <SanchoPensa> hey guys, I need assistance with an iptables issue please: i seem to have figured out my way in to the virtual machine, as iptables' packetcounts suggests so, but the way out doesnt seem to work. no dhcp, no name resolution, no apt, no nothing, except for ping. that's the only thing that seems to work right now.
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2175 [17:04:06] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: What virtualization type are you using, and how is the network set up?
2176 [17:04:29] <SanchoPensa> it is KVM/QEMU with lirt-manager, set um to NAT
2177 [17:04:33] <movab> helllo.. i am using nvidia-driver + bumblebee. I want to update nvidia driver so I can make hashcat work but no idea how. Someone can help me plz?
2178 [17:04:46] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: it is KVM/QEMU with lirt-manager, set up to NAT
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2181 [17:06:26] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: this is what my iptables.conf looks like: replaced-url
2182 [17:06:42] <SanchoPensa> actually I have a policy set, to accept all outbound traffic...
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2228 [17:30:25] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: themill any of the chiefrockers in the house...?
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2231 [17:31:24] <greycat> !ask
2232 [17:31:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2235 [17:32:01] <SanchoPensa> greycat: is that meant for me?
2236 [17:32:06] <SanchoPensa> cos ask i did.
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2239 [17:35:09] <hxmuller> Attempting install from current install DVD on Ryzen 3 2200g. The initial selection screen pops up nice, but when the installer loads, the screen is corrupt including the consoles. Is there a known way around this?
2240 [17:36:07] <petn-randall> hxmuller: Is that on the text-only installer?
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2245 [17:37:26] <sadtaco> Am I doing something wrong to free up disk? My logs folder is 1.9gb. I've deleted tons of logs like with "sudo rm /var/log/nginx/error.log.*" but I'm not getting any disk freed up.
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2249 [17:37:46] <petn-randall> hxmuller: IIRC you can select graphical or text install in the grub menu.
2250 [17:37:51] <greycat> Removing (unlinking) a log that is opened will not free the space until the file is also closed. Try restarting the nginx process.
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2253 [17:39:21] <hxmuller> petn-randall: i've tested both options, both result in a corrupted screen. I'll download the netinst iso and see if that provides different results
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2255 [17:40:07] <sadtaco> it's old rotated logs though that I was deleted. Like errors.log.2.gz
2256 [17:40:10] <movab> someone tried to install nvidia driver from the website and got it work?
2257 [17:40:14] <sadtaco> I deleted*
2258 [17:40:18] <greycat> sadtaco: is btrfs involved?
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2262 [17:40:52] <petn-randall> hxmuller: I'd assume it's the same. There are some options you can pass in the grub menu, the channel can help you with that.
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2264 [17:41:21] <sadtaco> I'm pretty sure it's not. Looks like ext4
2265 [17:41:42] <greycat> sadtaco: I'd still restart nginx just on principle. It can't hurt.
2266 [17:41:53] <sadtaco> I did. :)
2267 [17:42:07] <sadtaco> Still not getting anything freed after deleting tons of old logs.
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2271 [17:42:52] <hxmuller> Installing on Ryzen 3 2200g, does anyone know the boot parameters to use?
2272 [17:42:56] <sadtaco> Hm maybe those logs weren't large. It's syslog and daemon.log at 919M each
2273 [17:42:59] <hxmuller> petn-randall: thanks
2274 [17:43:00] <sadtaco> Even though I had those rotating.
2275 [17:43:32] <greycat> sadtaco: tail one of them and see what's filling it up
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2277 [17:44:02] <sadtaco> Stuff like "dhclient[293]: DHCPOFFER of 10.0.0.11 from 10.0.0.1"
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2283 [17:45:08] <sadtaco> Also these seem to have the same exact thing in them. Same exact size. That doesn't seem good.
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2285 [17:45:15] <greycat> If this is a web server (nginx), are you even using DHCP?
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2290 [17:46:41] <sadtaco> I'm not sure on that, actually. But yeah, it's a webserver.
2291 [17:47:10] <greycat> check /etc/network/interfaces
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2297 [17:49:00] <sadtaco> "iface eth0 inet dhcp
2298 [17:49:00] <sadtaco> ". It's an AWS node, if that matters. This looks like default config stuff.
2299 [17:49:39] <sadtaco> Also how can I clear these large logs out? sudo cat /dev/null > /var/log/syslog gives me "permission denied". And how can I fix this issue where I have two of the same log file with two different names?
2300 [17:49:41] <greycat> Call Amazon support and ask them why their DHCP server is spamming you with hundreds of megabytes of DHCP offers?
2301 [17:49:48] <shtrb> Anyone with only one video card + X has plasma hangups ?
2302 [17:49:59] <greycat> sudo sh -c '> /var/log/syslog'
2303 [17:50:08] <shtrb> (trying to help with a bug in plasma )
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2308 [17:54:52] <Tenacious-Techhu> Can anyone test netsurf-fb without a Desktop Environment, and tell me if it draws to the framebuffer correctly?
2309 [17:55:54] <sadtaco> I wish I could ever remember that sudo sh -c command. :/ Thank you.
2310 [17:56:34] <greycat> replaced-url
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2314 [17:57:27] <sadtaco> I'm pretty sure I need dhcp to resolve different other amazon nodes. Perhaps it was a DDoS attack.
2315 [17:58:45] <greycat> If you keep getting spammed with DHCP offers, I'd definitely contact support, since you're paying them for it.
2316 [17:58:51] <hxmuller> Looks like to install Debian, I will have to build a system using bootstrap, recompile the experimental kernel (4.17), and transfer that over to the Ryzen 3 2200g system
2317 [17:59:00] <hxmuller> debootstrap*
2318 [17:59:04] <greycat> If it does turn out to be an external DOS attack, they can block it.
2319 [17:59:48] <sadtaco> replaced-url
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2321 [18:00:16] <sadtaco> Speaking of Debian on 2200G/2400G, how well is that supported? I've heard there are issues where some people can't even boot.
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2323 [18:00:26] <greycat> I'm looking at the DHCPDECLINE lines.
2324 [18:00:29] <greycat> that's... not normal
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2326 [18:01:14] <hxmuller> sadtaco: I'm not to the boot stage yet, still working on getting Debian installed on it :)
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2333 [18:05:41] <sadtaco> greycat, yeah? I really know nothing about what's going on here. But it does appear there was a DDoS attack.
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2335 [18:05:57] <sadtaco> looking at my logs, there is a massive spike in network traffic in/out and cpu usage.
2336 [18:06:13] <greycat> Yeah, traffic to and from your DHCP server.
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2338 [18:06:35] <greycat> Because your node is saying "I can't use this address, DECLINE, gimme another" and the DHCP server keeps giving you the same address again. Over and over.
2339 [18:06:36] <sadtaco> Have any suggestions?
2340 [18:07:03] <sadtaco> Is there a regular pattern of requests that I can block on iptables? And can I throttle that declining and retrying?
2341 [18:07:09] <greycat> *sigh*
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2343 [18:07:24] <sadtaco> Or maybe these were simply related to the disk being full?
2344 [18:07:48] <movab> sadtaco: this is not related to #debian
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2347 [18:09:31] <contrapunctus> o/
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2351 [18:14:37] <contrapunctus> Debian 9 clean install on a ~7 year old Toshiba Satellite (Intel Core i5). I get "Failed to find cpu0 device node" on startup, but boot succeeds (I reach graphical login, can login, and the laptop/OS seems to be functioning as usual).
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2354 [18:16:39] <contrapunctus> Anything to be worried about?
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2399 [18:34:12] <jolt> contrapunctus: A quick googling here suggests it's nothing to worry about.
2400 [18:34:44] <jolt> contrapunctus: it seems to be a certain device that the CPU says it support isn't actually there
2401 [18:35:13] <jolt> "This is a warning message from the OF layer in the kernel. Since i686 has CONFIG_OF enabled (for OLPC reasons) and your machine doesn't utilize OF or device trees, it errors out. There's nothing actually wrong here."
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2404 [18:38:54] <contrapunctus> jolt: oh, thanks a lot. My gut reaction was, like, "A _CPU core_ isn't working? wtf!" ...pretty nerve-wracking. ^^'
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2413 [18:42:39] <Trifecta> hello, is it ok to ask about apache configuration issues here?
2414 [18:43:25] <greycat> As long as it's on a Debian system, yes. Just remember that we're generalists, not specialists, so if it's a *hard* Apache problem, we may not know.
2415 [18:43:37] <Trifecta> ok, thx
2416 [18:43:40] <badest> hi
2417 [18:43:42] <Trifecta> ill try to simplify
2418 [18:45:21] <Trifecta> basically, I used this for ssl based access: replaced-url
2419 [18:45:46] <Trifecta> it works for http on port 80 without ssl, but as soon as I use ssl, it seems to break
2420 [18:45:59] <Trifecta> the error.log doesn't really give insight about the connection
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2422 [18:46:15] <greycat> "breaks" in what way?
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2425 [18:46:40] <Trifecta> "no secure connection possible with this site"
2426 [18:46:47] <Maniatik> join #creepypastas
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2428 [18:47:06] <Trifecta> hmm dunno why the paste is gone
2429 [18:47:09] <Trifecta> ill try pastebin
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2434 [18:47:58] <Trifecta> replaced-url
2435 [18:48:47] <Trifecta> as far as i understand, every connection to that Ip beside "archive.domain.com" should return a forbidden page
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2437 [18:49:08] <Trifecta> but it seems tls since it works before the http request cannot adhere to that rule
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2463 [19:02:44] <Sri_Designer> replaced-url
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2512 [19:19:45] <johnnyfive> Howdy, i'm using debmirror to create a local repo, which is working great, however I also want to sync the `Translation-en` files as well. I can't figure out how to do that
2513 [19:19:54] <johnnyfive> Anyone know how to do that?
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2520 [19:23:25] <johnnyfive> Or... does it do it automatically... i'm dumb
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2556 [19:43:47] <karlpinc> Can I get to the parted command from the debain installer?
2557 [19:44:13] <karlpinc> johnnyfive: It should do it for you.
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2561 [19:44:49] <johnnyfive> @karlpinc, ya I just figure that out. For some reason I thought it was missing, I was just looking in the wrong dir. Gracias
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2629 [20:18:28] <poukipouk> salut Kevlar_Noir
2630 [20:18:40] <poukipouk> tu t'y connais en systèmes linux
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2633 [20:21:59] <karlpinc> !fr
2634 [20:21:59] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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2638 [20:24:19] <nuno_nunes> !pt
2639 [20:24:19] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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2644 [20:27:13] <Ankhep> !de
2645 [20:27:14] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
2646 [20:27:33] <greycat> You can /msg dpkg de (etc.) if you just want to satisfy your curiosity.
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2659 [20:35:25] <Kevlar_Noir> !it
2660 [20:35:26] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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2671 [20:42:17] <shtrb> !tlh
2672 [20:42:56] <mrig> I would have thought that openGL would work with GTK ttoo, will go and look that up.
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2675 [20:43:23] <mrig> ops wrong room ... sorry about that.
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2677 [20:43:49] <shtrb> dpkg, tlh is tlhlngan debian pagh
2678 [20:43:50] <dpkg> shtrb: okay
2679 [20:44:20] <nkuttler> shtrb: um, what?
2680 [20:44:36] <shtrb> nIS maH debian paq tlhlngan
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2682 [20:44:43] <greycat> Doesn't seem like a very useful factoid at the moment.
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2684 [20:45:16] <shtrb> one can wish #debian-klingon
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2686 [20:45:34] <greycat> If you go there, it will exist.
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2689 [20:46:06] <greycat> That's literally how channels are created.
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2691 [20:46:27] <xmbswc> is there a command that shows why a dist-upgrade wants to remove <something> like show the conflicts
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2693 [20:46:43] <Error451> some say that's how realities are created
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2695 [20:47:12] <Error451> all posibilities exist
2696 [20:47:23] <Error451> but that's a different channel
2697 [20:47:36] <nkuttler> xmbswc: testing/unstable? usually missing deps. or package transition..
2698 [20:47:44] <hexnewbie> xmbswc: Maybe ‘aptitude why-not’, but I haven't gotten that problem since I discovered it, so haven't tested. Also aptitude in general offers alternatives, and some reasons
2699 [20:47:59] <xmbswc> experimental wants once again to remove xserver-xorg
2700 [20:48:03] <nkuttler> eh..
2701 [20:48:20] <shtrb> xmbswc, experimental ?!
2702 [20:48:42] <nkuttler> !experimental
2703 [20:48:42] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
2704 [20:48:52] <xmbswc> yeah newest kernels are there, sorry
2705 [20:48:55] <nkuttler> they are serious when they say dangerous
2706 [20:49:03] <greycat> But you don't UPGRADE from experimental.
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2708 [20:49:26] <greycat> You carefully install SINGLE packages from experimental, with hand and eye protection, after sacrificing the goat.
2709 [20:49:43] <shtrb> lol
2710 [20:50:07] <Error451> don't worry about the goat
2711 [20:50:17] <shtrb> no wonder Huawei had lava flowing , someone did a dist-upgrade without it
2712 [20:50:23] <hexnewbie> xmbswc: Are you certain you need newest kernels in the first place? Also stretch-backports has 4.16 recent.
2713 [20:50:38] <nkuttler> ,kernels
2714 [20:50:41] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2715 [20:50:42] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2716 [20:50:49] <xmbswc> sorry i dont wanna bug or flame around experimental
2717 [20:51:14] <greycat> looks to me like sid's kernel is NEWER than experimental's
2718 [20:51:14] <shtrb> *Hawaii oh god why I said that word
2719 [20:51:15] <xmbswc> i just like most recent versions, and yet it mostly works, currently only xorg is broken ( prolly due to new perl 2.28 )
2720 [20:51:31] <shtrb> xmbswc, sid ?
2721 [20:51:40] <xmbswc> i got 4.17-rc7
2722 [20:51:48] <nkuttler> xmbswc: you run experimental because you like breakage, not to get new stuff..
2723 [20:52:01] <xmbswc> then i do so
2724 [20:52:11] <xmbswc> i cant argue uber-foolments
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2726 [20:52:21] <nkuttler> xmbswc: either way, if you use experimental you shuold know it's not supported here
2727 [20:52:26] <xmbswc> kk
2728 [20:52:27] <xmbswc> sorry
2729 [20:52:39] <xmbswc> i just wanted to know some show-conflicts command
2730 [20:52:51] <xmbswc> the aptitude why-not i tried on xorg and perl and it didnt show anything
2731 [20:52:59] <nkuttler> conflicts are explained in the release notes
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2734 [20:53:29] <greycat> ENOGOAT
2735 [20:53:47] <shtrb> no such errno
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2739 [20:54:15] <xmbswc> thanks anyhow, and sorry to bug you
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2741 [20:54:53] <hexnewbie> xmbswc: Just running the upgrade with aptitude will usually print some big list of conflicts, as a reason (although my conflict would sometimes be missing due to lack of verbosity, as it is caused by a chain of problems), then offer you alternatives by asking you questions. A fresh install of Stretch usually resolves those problems (with - maybe - upgrade to buster if you really *need* newer stuff, e.g. you already converted your $HOME
2742 [20:54:53] <hexnewbie> datadirs to newer formats not supported by Stretch software)
2743 [20:55:01] <phogg> When you think experimental don't think "beta" or "test." Rather, think "mad scientist heedlessly mixing unknown chemicals and feeding them to his captives just to see what will happen."
2744 [20:55:21] <shtrb> lol
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2746 [20:56:08] <xmbswc> hexnewbie i tried dist-upgrade there, it wont want to remove xorg
2747 [20:56:35] <xmbswc> respecitvley it did not update at all anything
2748 [20:56:40] <hexnewbie> xmbswc: aptitude's resolutions are often better (and sometimes worse)
2749 [20:56:53] <xmbswc> kk
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3035 [23:43:58] <michael2> hi all. does anyone know if its possible with rsync to preview what the target directory will look like before I commit to the operation?
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3038 [23:44:42] <Kelsar> --dry-run
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3040 [23:46:11] <mirak> is it possible to rename root ?
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3044 [23:48:50] <jelly> mirak: as in root, user with uid=0? Things will probably break. Why?
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3049 [23:51:02] <michael2> Kelsar: dry-run shows a preview of the affected files at the source, Im interested in previewing how the destination would look
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3052 [23:51:36] <Kelsar> michael2: no it shows how the destination is changed, why would rsync change anything on the source?
3053 [23:52:15] <michael2> it shows the sources selected
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3056 [23:53:14] <michael2> you can test it for yourself using --relative option
3057 [23:53:18] <Kelsar> it definite shows what will be transfered to or deleted from the destination. I can't think of an option showing you how it will look
3058 [23:53:48] <michael2> yeah, neither can I
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