• 0[00:00:01] <DarkiYahu> hddtemp seems to be a sudo thing as well
• 1[00:00:02] <DarkiYahu> hmm
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• 5[00:00:45] <useless-eater> DarkiYahu: yep
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• 11[00:02:52] <DarkiYahu> gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo hddtemp sda
• 12[00:02:52] <DarkiYahu> sda: open: No such file or directory
• 13[00:03:03] <DarkiYahu> ahh hddtemp /dev/sd?
• 14[00:03:09] <DarkiYahu> il try that :)
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• 16[00:03:39] <DarkiYahu> I GOT IT!!!
• 17[00:03:43] <DarkiYahu> gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda1
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• 21[00:04:06] <DarkiYahu> oCZ-AGILITY3: 30°C
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• 23[00:04:13] <Javabean> *sda1 is the partition sda is the drive
• 24[00:04:18] <DarkiYahu> gutte@dv6-6b42eo:~$ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
• 25[00:04:25] <DarkiYahu> YA SORRY
• 26[00:04:31] <DarkiYahu> argh capslock
• 27[00:04:48] <DarkiYahu> ../dev/sda: OCZ-AGILITY3: 30°C
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• 30[00:04:57] <Javabean> capslock isn't quite as bad as where the backspace key is
• 31[00:04:59] <useless-eater> DarkiYahu: nice for monitoring winchester disks, you could use smartctl -a on the disks too to see disk health (apt-get install smartmontools)
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• 33[00:05:16] <QcR> replaced-url
• 34[00:05:21] <DarkiYahu> Javabean, not following you?
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• 37[00:05:35] <DarkiYahu> okay
• 38[00:05:39] <DarkiYahu> so that's one of my harddrives
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• 40[00:05:45] <Javabean> ie, i tend to hit enter AND backspace at the same time
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• 42[00:05:47] <dka> I was doing a backup of my home `mv /home/dka/ .` but I removed a file while doing it `mv: cannot stat '/home/dka/toto': No such file or directory` and my hard drive is `99%` full now I deleted some space.
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• 44[00:05:53] <dka> How can I continue the move ?
• 45[00:06:11] <DarkiYahu> .../dev/sdb: Hitachi HTS547564A9E384: no sensor
• 46[00:06:17] <DarkiYahu> Hmm
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• 49[00:06:25] <useless-eater> dka: you should use rsync probably
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• 52[00:06:28] <DarkiYahu> Well, it seems it has found no sensor on my second hardrive
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• 54[00:06:50] <DarkiYahu> well at least it works with one :)
• 55[00:06:59] <DarkiYahu> Really it is the CPU that is an issue
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• 57[00:07:05] <DarkiYahu> Heat issue
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• 59[00:07:19] <dka> useless-eater, do you have the good command?
• 60[00:07:34] <DarkiYahu> I'm sure the computer would run much better with some better anticheat on the cpu
• 61[00:07:35] <useless-eater> depends, but maybe rsync -avP /source /destination
• 62[00:07:37] <dka> I have removed my kernel and my system is degraded I cannot verify
• 63[00:07:38] <DarkiYahu> sadly it is a laptob
• 64[00:07:41] <DarkiYahu> laptop
• 65[00:08:24] <dka> `rsync -avP /home/dka/ .` would be equivalent to `mv /home/dka/ .` ?
• 66[00:08:29] <dka> to continue a copie ?
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• 68[00:10:00] <useless-eater> dka: you can use rsync to move files, but I never do. I always use it to copy
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• 70[00:10:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> To sync the contents of one directory to another, use a trailing slash on both paths.
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• 72[00:11:49] <dka> S0 the cmd was not accurate ?
• 73[00:11:54] <useless-eater> dka: no
• 74[00:11:57] <dka> `rsync -avP /home/dka/ ./ ?
• 75[00:12:05] <dka> I can t mess up
• 76[00:12:08] <dka> these or not my data
• 77[00:12:12] <dka> I already trashjed the computer
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• 79[00:12:20] <DarkiYahu> Hmm... my Crunchbang is a little messy at the momenty
• 80[00:12:24] <DarkiYahu> need to fix that
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• 82[00:13:34] <useless-eater> dka: Do a --dry-run first to be sure, but "rsync -avP /home/dka . " could be what you want
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• 92[00:18:02] <DarkiYahu> Physical id 0: +86.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
• 93[00:18:02] <DarkiYahu> would be the main temp?
• 94[00:18:07] <DarkiYahu> of the overall
• 95[00:18:17] <DarkiYahu> overall temp
• 96[00:19:16] <useless-eater> DarkiYahu: of the cpu? probably.
• 97[00:19:28] <DarkiYahu> I would think myself - great
• 98[00:19:32] <DarkiYahu> I just need the overall
• 99[00:19:51] <DarkiYahu> but is sensors normally only showing cpu temp or can it show more?
• 100[00:21:35] <useless-eater> for every core I think
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• 102[00:22:37] <DarkiYahu> hmm
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• 104[00:22:44] <DarkiYahu> so it would not take hdd temp on it
• 105[00:22:59] <useless-eater> DarkiYahu: tested on a box now and this is what it looks like replaced-url
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• 107[00:23:38] <DarkiYahu> ahh so that is what you use paste debian for
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• 110[00:24:11] <DarkiYahu> I see you have some more info for sure... but.. I'm running on an old laptop as well
• 111[00:24:13] <DarkiYahu> so...
• 112[00:24:30] <DarkiYahu> If they had just made the cooling better on this laptop it would have been running even better.
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• 114[00:24:51] <DarkiYahu> seems to be more then enough power in it... but... it goes down if to hot - and it sadly gets hot very easily
• 115[00:24:59] <DarkiYahu> so it never really uses the cpu much.
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• 119[00:25:58] <DarkiYahu> replaced-url
• 120[00:26:05] <useless-eater> DarkiYahu: you can install "pastebinit" and then "sensors | pastebinit" :)
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• 122[00:26:29] <DarkiYahu> and? what should that do
• 123[00:26:43] <useless-eater> pastebin outputs of command automaticly
• 124[00:26:58] <mi11k1> hey, any networking genius's?
• 125[00:27:01] <DarkiYahu> aha, like for conky?
• 126[00:27:10] <DarkiYahu> or does conky have another way of doing it
• 127[00:27:20] <mi11k1> conky is awesome
• 128[00:27:25] <DarkiYahu> It would be nice to have the Temp of the cpu for conky
• 129[00:27:39] <mi11k1> cpu temp is built in i think
• 130[00:27:53] <DarkiYahu> mi11k1, I'm still new on it all - but it seems to be cool.
• 131[00:27:55] <DarkiYahu> ahh
• 132[00:28:18] <DarkiYahu> I have cpu% in conky but no the temp, yet at least.
• 133[00:28:29] <DarkiYahu> I actually have the cpu% for all 8 cores or threads
• 134[00:28:30] <mi11k1> temperature: ${alignr}${acpitemp}°C
• 135[00:28:41] <DarkiYahu> oh great il try that mi11k1
• 136[00:28:43] <DarkiYahu> thanks
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• 138[00:28:57] <mi11k1> you need sensors installed i think
• 139[00:29:43] <DarkiYahu> I think I have that installed thanks to useless-eater
• 140[00:29:53] <mi11k1> DarkiYahu, or try ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1}
• 141[00:30:04] <DarkiYahu> ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1} in conky?
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• 143[00:30:13] <mi11k1> i forgot the syntax changed
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• 145[00:30:41] <mi11k1> DarkiYahu, what version of conky?
• 146[00:31:00] <DarkiYahu> dunno
• 147[00:31:06] <DarkiYahu> what syntax?
• 148[00:31:25] <DarkiYahu> I don't know what version it is - I'm running the latest CB++
• 149[00:31:27] <mi11k1> conky -v will tell ytou version
• 150[00:31:28] <DarkiYahu> CrunbBang++
• 151[00:31:31] <DarkiYahu> ahh
• 152[00:31:32] <DarkiYahu> 2 sec
• 153[00:31:36] <mi11k1> so bunson?
• 154[00:31:50] <mi11k1> bunsonlabs is the new crunch
• 155[00:31:54] <DarkiYahu> conky 1.10.6 compiled Fri Dec 9 09:25:23 UTC 2016 for Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64
• 156[00:31:55] <Li> Other than Raspbian, which Debian distro would be possible to install on Raspberry Pi 3 B? (arm64/arml/armhf)
• 157[00:32:06] <hypn0> busenlabs :-)
• 158[00:32:07] <DarkiYahu> Bunsenlabs is a little to much Graphic for me
• 159[00:32:15] <DarkiYahu> so I ended up with CB++
• 160[00:32:18] <mi11k1> hypn0, thanks
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• 162[00:32:29] <DarkiYahu> To much graphic and colors.
• 163[00:32:41] <mi11k1> unless you use the grey theme
• 164[00:32:43] <DarkiYahu> CB++ was more close to the original.
• 165[00:32:56] <mi11k1> i learned linux on CB
• 166[00:32:57] <DarkiYahu> Well.. It also seemed slower then CB++ on the computer.
• 167[00:33:03] <DarkiYahu> CB was awesome! :)
• 168[00:33:13] <DarkiYahu> best thing that I found of linux distro.
• 169[00:33:19] <DarkiYahu> when I tried to find some kind of thing I liked
• 170[00:33:31] <DarkiYahu> sadly I went back to Windows because of Diablo 3
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• 173[00:33:42] <DarkiYahu> but I'm back as a Linux noob again
• 174[00:33:58] <mi11k1> i struck to what i learned from that distro, debian net-install, openbox, tint2,. and conky
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• 176[00:34:14] <DarkiYahu> struck?
• 177[00:34:21] <mi11k1> stuck*
• 178[00:34:24] <DarkiYahu> ahh
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• 180[00:34:28] <DarkiYahu> debian net-install?
• 181[00:34:43] <mi11k1> yes, basic install.
• 182[00:34:57] <DarkiYahu> I had it set very nicely up last time... So - I'm trying to restore that again.
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• 184[00:35:02] <mi11k1> small iso
• 185[00:35:05] <DarkiYahu> So going through old files and such.
• 186[00:35:06] <DarkiYahu> ahhh
• 187[00:35:17] <DarkiYahu> Well, CB++ seems pretty basic install?
• 188[00:35:30] <mi11k1> then i install xorg, openbox, slim, tint2, and conky
• 189[00:35:49] <DarkiYahu> ahhh
• 190[00:35:53] <DarkiYahu> you started from buttom
• 191[00:36:02] <DarkiYahu> and learned that way
• 192[00:36:03] <DarkiYahu> well..
• 193[00:36:09] <DarkiYahu> always something new it seems
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• 195[00:36:18] <DarkiYahu> and it is so nice with the people and the community
• 196[00:36:25] <DarkiYahu> freedom!
• 197[00:36:34] <DarkiYahu> From spyware and microsoft and stupidity
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• 202[00:39:01] <DarkiYahu> Very hard to find a good old browser
• 203[00:39:22] <DarkiYahu> Very annoying how they started to go in all directions with browsers and leave what worked
• 204[00:39:26] <DarkiYahu> But... I found one!!! :)
• 205[00:39:35] <DarkiYahu> SeaMonkey
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• 208[00:39:50] <DarkiYahu> Feel like good old days and have all those features that I think should be standard
• 209[00:39:55] <DarkiYahu> at your fingertips
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• 212[00:41:50] <DarkiYahu> I made an bootable Crunchbang++ :D
• 213[00:41:59] <DarkiYahu> Took me some time to say the least... but I got it working
• 214[00:42:05] <DarkiYahu> finaly
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• 221[00:45:58] <hypn0> there is archbang too
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• 224[00:47:34] <DarkiYahu> well
• 225[00:47:42] <DarkiYahu> archbang
• 226[00:47:43] <DarkiYahu> hmm
• 227[00:47:51] <DarkiYahu> I think il just stick to this for now ;)
• 228[00:48:04] <DarkiYahu> ${platform coretemp.0 temp 1} <<---
• 229[00:48:08] <DarkiYahu> was this wrong?
• 230[00:48:33] <petn-randall> !crunchbang
• 231[00:48:34] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 232[00:50:01] <uniqdom> In what order are the dependencies of a Debian package installed?
• 233[00:50:16] <uniqdom> does it matter?
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• 235[00:50:38] <uniqdom> what if I need to install the package and its dependencies manually?
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• 242[00:52:17] <petn-randall> uniqdom: I'd install first the dependencies and then the package, if you need to do it.
• 243[00:52:20] <petn-randall> *by hand
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• 245[00:52:50] <uniqdom> ok thanks
• 246[00:52:57] <hypn0> ${exec sensors|grep 0:|awk "{print \$3}"} DarkiYahu I use that
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• 335[01:41:45] <tharkun> bites: hexedit seems to be the one. The only problem is that F1 is intercepted by Gnome so it does not display the online help and Ctr-C is disabled on the debian version. Thanks a lot. It gets the job done.
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• 338[01:42:44] <yuriescl> Hi, is there a way to make Debian font rendering similar to Mint or Ubuntu for Dejavu Sans? I'm using Xfce and tried several methods for configuring the fonts, including the antialias, hinting and subpixel rendering, but after testing several combinations of those I can't seem to get the fonts as beautiful as Ubuntu.
• 339[01:42:50] <yuriescl> I've searched and looks like Debian does not use proprietary font rendering software, if that's the case, does someone know which package/software I have to install to make font rendering better? Thanks.
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• 357[01:55:32] <yuriescl> Okay, I just found that hinting was disabled using "xrdb -query". Enabled it and now fonts look great!
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• 372[02:06:19] <antto> i turn off this hinting thing
• 373[02:06:26] <somiaj> what hinting thing?
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• 375[02:06:35] <antto> for vector fonts
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• 382[02:10:03] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 384[02:13:05] <antto> i've configured mine via the lxappearance app
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• 402[02:27:24] <michael2> is there an idiomatic way on debian to tell where a program is logging to?
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• 404[02:31:46] <somiaj> lsof will list all open files, maybe you can track down which program is opening what file.
• 405[02:31:49] <somiaj> but usually read the docs
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• 412[02:35:18] <A|an> How bad an idea is it to use third-party repositories? (I'd like to install/try Sublime Text editor, but it's not available as a package)
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• 419[02:37:53] <limbo_> I installed lxd from the snap store, and the lxc package from the regular repos. How do I use lxc-attach on containers I created with the snap? Also, how do I run the binaries from snaps as root properly?
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• 425[02:39:10] <bites> limbo_: you are not meant to mix lxc and lxd commands. use lxc exec <container> bash to get into the container.
• 426[02:39:13] <michael2> somiaj: thanks, when you say "the docs" - can you give me a hint of the places I might start searching for docs?
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• 428[02:40:34] <somiaj> michael2: man command, /usr/share/doc/packagename, the docs usually tell you where thigns are logged to, or how to configure where they are logged to.
• 429[02:40:43] <limbo_> bites: ok. Should I just remove the snap version from my system and use the regular one?
• 430[02:40:49] <somiaj> michael2: but with systemd, systemctl status service and journalctl can often find the lgos you need and you don't need to know the actual file.
• 431[02:40:54] <bites> A|an: depends. third party repositories are always a risk.
• 432[02:41:13] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 433[02:41:13] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is replaced-url
• 434[02:41:19] <somiaj> A|an: ^^
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• 436[02:41:33] <limbo_> Also, I thought that lxd's commands were just called lxc. (although, I only used lxd for lxd init )
• 437[02:41:35] <somiaj> make sure the third party repo is designed for the version of debian you are using.
• 438[02:41:50] <bites> limbo_: you have to understand that lxd and lxc are different things. commands starting with lxc- belong to lxc, while the lxc command belongs to lxd. pick which one you want and stick to it. lxd from snap is my personal favorite.
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• 442[02:43:25] <limbo_> ok, I'll remove the dpkg version.
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• 444[02:44:17] <limbo_> how do I run snaps with sudo though? Were's the right location to add them to my PATH?
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• 447[02:44:30] <bites> /snap/bin i believe.
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• 450[02:45:32] <limbo_> I mean, what file do I edit to get it in the PATH?
• 451[02:45:32] <bites> limbo_: you can put it in your ~/.bashrc
• 452[02:45:43] <limbo_> for sudo?
• 453[02:46:49] <bites> hmm... probably the secure_path when you run visudo
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• 455[02:49:20] <bites> you can also add your user to the lxd group, then you don't need root to run the command.
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• 459[02:50:55] <limbo_> I'd rather not.
• 460[02:51:28] <dka> hi
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• 464[02:52:08] <dka> i have a USB key with debian on it, I try to boot with it but now it is not working anymore
• 465[02:52:19] <dka> can I repair it? I know it was valid before
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• 467[02:52:57] <dka> I've just used it once as a data USB key , did it break it ?
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• 472[02:54:00] <dka> it says fail to load of links.c32
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• 474[02:55:46] <DarkiYahu> How do I try to burn my CPU?
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• 476[02:55:59] <DarkiYahu> Like how do I make it max use the CPU for a time
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• 481[02:59:27] <DarkiYahu> anyone knows the difference of CPU temp:${alignr}${acpitemp} ${hwmon 0 temp 1}C
• 482[02:59:43] <DarkiYahu> I have 2 CPU temp that works in Conky
• 483[02:59:51] <DarkiYahu> anyone knows the different
• 484[03:00:06] <DarkiYahu> it seems hwmon update more frequent
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• 492[03:10:42] <michael2> somiaj: thanks, yeah the approaches you mentioned were generally what I was thinking too. although these approaches to troubelhooting depend on you knowing in advance what process is actually generating the logs (in the case of lsof <processname>) , if any logs are being generated at all or in the case of man pages,/usr/share/doc/<packagename> or using systemctl/journald you need to know in advance what
• 493[03:10:44] <michael2> package or systemd unit is behind the functionality (often this is not obvious and can be hidden under many layers of indirection)
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• 495[03:11:55] <somiaj> yea, journalctl is probably the best indpendent tool that can just give you all things systemd is logging.
• 496[03:12:12] <somiaj> you can also just poke around /var/log and see what is there (though not as much as use to because of journald)
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• 498[03:13:19] <michael2> does that require that the program sends its logs to journalctl?
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• 501[03:14:08] <michael2> i.e. if a program doesn't send its logs to systemd/journald - journald essentially becomes blind?
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• 506[03:18:10] <lyr3> vai curintia
• 507[03:18:41] <somiaj> michael2: any program started by systemd gets loged by journald, because systemd takes the output of stdout and stderr for that program and logs it
• 508[03:19:01] <somiaj> michael2: programs started outside of systemd, yes systemd doesn't know about them and wno't log them. But all services are started by systemd.
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• 522[03:34:48] <michael2> ah, that makes sense and seems it would give a reliable, predicable way of knowing how that programs logging is setup :)
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• 524[03:36:10] <rabbitear_sdf> michael2: can I ask what you are talking about?
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• 526[03:36:52] <michael2> how to find out where, or if a program is sending logs to
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• 528[03:37:39] <rabbitear_sdf> michael2: okay
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• 530[03:37:55] <rabbitear_sdf> michael2: that kind of task is too simple to me
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• 532[03:38:32] <rabbitear_sdf> michael2: right?
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• 534[03:39:17] <michael2> right
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• 538[03:40:01] <rabbitear_sdf> its a good task
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• 551[03:59:23] <michael2> does anyone know of a package which provides the ability to connect to bluetooth devices? the info on the bluetoothuser wiki seems outdated
• 552[03:59:33] <michael2> or just plain wrong
• 553[03:59:48] <michael2> replaced-url
• 554[04:01:17] <somiaj> bluez or something like that
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• 556[04:01:56] <michael2> I have bluez and it provides hcitool - but not the bluetooth-agent the wiki mentions.
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• 558[04:02:26] <somiaj> that is probably in the bluetooth package, which is still there. I'm unsure what is preferable, as I dont' use bluetooth
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• 562[04:05:11] <sahar69> hello, is it possible to install gcc 7 on debian 9?
• 563[04:05:48] <michael2> interesting - its seems bluetooth is more or less a metapackage which requires in "bluez" -which seems to provide all the functionatlity
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• 585[04:21:39] <Resilience> there seems to be a problem with libcurl3 and libcurl4, are there any workarounds?
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• 588[04:23:04] <dka_> HI
• 589[04:23:19] <dka_> I am trying to format my usb stick
• 590[04:23:24] <dka_> so i can install the debian iso on it
• 591[04:23:30] <Sveta> hi dka_
• 592[04:23:31] <dka_> I follow this tutorial replaced-url
• 593[04:23:33] <somiaj> Resilience: you are running sid aren't you? Check the bts, and just deal with it, maybe use snapshot.debian.org
• 594[04:23:34] <dka_> I have the errorM
• 595[04:23:43] <dka_> cp: error writing '/dev/sdb1': No space left on device
• 596[04:23:44] <somiaj> dka_: what os are you trying to copy the debian .iso from?
• 597[04:23:51] <dka_> debiqn
• 598[04:23:53] <dka_> debian
• 599[04:24:05] <somiaj> dka_: you want to write it /dev/sdb (not /dev/sdb1) the actual usb drive, not the parititon
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• 601[04:24:13] <dka_> my usb stick already have jessie on it but its not working anymore dont ask me why
• 602[04:24:16] <dka_> I need to reformat
• 603[04:24:31] <dka_> dka@dev-05:~/Downloads$ sudo cp debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-cinnamon+nonfree.iso /dev/sdb1
• 604[04:24:43] <dka_> cp: error writing '/dev/sdb1': No space left on device
• 605[04:24:55] <dvs> dka_, somiaj already told you the answer
• 606[04:24:58] <dka_> so i remove the 1 and it work?
• 607[04:24:59] <somiaj> dka_: write it to /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1 as I said, this will destory all info on the usb drive, /dev/sdb
• 608[04:25:12] <somiaj> dka_: that is what the install guide you link says, make sure you follow it.
• 609[04:25:16] <Resilience> somiaj, sid? not, testing, waht are bts's? what is snapshot.debian.org? how do I infomr about this error?
• 610[04:25:24] <dka_> ok
• 611[04:25:28] <somiaj> !bts
• 612[04:25:28] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 615[04:26:01] <somiaj> Resilience: this bug is known, testing/unstable undergoes these types of transitions as libaries upgrade. I've seen various bug reports about this. Also in the future bring testing/unstable questions to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 617[04:26:25] <somiaj> Resilience: and someone running debian testing should get use to the bts, as you are now part of the group of people testing it.
• 618[04:27:19] <Resilience> somiaj, yes, I should, that's why I asked, never found a so big mistake in testing, so I really never needed to use the bts
• 619[04:27:36] <birdbolt1> so uhh, im trying to understand this grep that I seem to see in sorts of use cases
• 620[04:27:41] <birdbolt1> can someone dumb it down for me?
• 621[04:27:54] <somiaj> it isn't a mistake, and these things happen during transitions. They happen fairly often, but depending on the software used, you may only experience some of them.
• 622[04:28:11] <somiaj> it is a bug, and I have heard others talk about this bug, you should be able to find info in the BTS about it.
• 623[04:28:29] <birdbolt1> from my searching, i understand its some sort of searching ing mechanism, but Im wondering how it seems to work with so many things. Do they need to implement it or something?
• 624[04:28:32] <somiaj> birdbolt1: just ask your actual question, and provide the info needed.
• 625[04:29:11] <Resilience> somiaj, a bug ok, but a bug coming from a mistake as I have read
• 626[04:29:13] <somiaj> birdbolt1: oh you want to know what grep is? Grep is a tool that searches text files for for a string, and outputs the lines that match. It is a way to quickly deal with a large amount of output and only get the output you want.
• 627[04:29:41] <somiaj> Resilience: maybe, it sounds more like at transition bug to me, and they happen in testing and unstable as libary versions get upgraded.
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• 630[04:30:03] <Resilience> birdbolt1, from a listing of lines, it selects onlye the ones that have or don0t havc the pattern you hace specified, it filters lines
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• 632[04:30:28] <birdbolt1> so when i always see `somethingsomething | grep anotherthing`, how does it know what text file to search, if your something isnt an explicit text file?
• 633[04:30:41] <birdbolt1> I see it used all the time and would like to familiarize myself with it
• 634[04:30:59] <somiaj> in this case the pipe sends the output to the command grep, so grep is parsing the output of the comand somethingsomething
• 635[04:31:12] <birdbolt1> aahh
• 636[04:31:20] <Resilience> somiaj, there is software that depends on libcrul3 and other that depends on libcurl4, libcurl provides ibcurl4 (the transition) and makes it incompatible with libcurl3 (the mistake) and tehe packacge maintainer says something like "error developer"
• 637[04:31:24] <somiaj> grep is doing teh same thing, but the output fromt he previous program is being used, and piping stuff is a common thing to do on the shell level, you can pipe into other stuff.
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• 639[04:32:13] <Resilience> !bts
• 640[04:32:13] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 641[04:32:20] <somiaj> Resilience: again, this is part of running testing, and yes not all transitions are smooth, and this stuff happens in testing. If you choose to run testing, 1) learn to deal with stuff like this, 2) ask for support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 642[04:32:24] <Resilience> ah, magic, sorry, just wanted to try myself O :o)
• 643[04:32:26] <birdbolt1> thank you, much more straightforward than what i found online :D
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• 647[04:35:03] <dka_> why is the copy of my debian iso so long?
• 648[04:35:25] <dka_> Here it says that if we use dd instead of copy it takes one or two minutes
• 649[04:35:26] <dka_> replaced-url
• 650[04:35:29] <dka_> but I used cp
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• 652[04:35:37] <dka_> as explain in debian doc here replaced-url
• 653[04:35:57] <birdbolt1> ????
• 654[04:36:05] <dvs> dka_, and did you use sync at the end?
• 655[04:36:09] <birdbolt1> you self-contradicted there
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• 659[04:37:14] <somiaj> dka_: dd has poor defaults for block size and thus write speed, cp has better defaults, hence cp is the suggesetd tool.
• 660[04:37:18] <dka_> no because it is 2nc cmd
• 661[04:37:25] <dka_> I wait the 1st one to end
• 662[04:37:36] <somiaj> you also have a full live image wich i think is a few gigs
• 663[04:37:46] <somiaj> and if writting over usb2, can take a little bit of time
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• 667[04:38:48] <dvs> dka_, are you trying to do an install over wireless connection?
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• 670[04:39:29] <somiaj> dka_: in this case they are writting the cinimmon live iso to a usb drive.
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• 673[04:41:25] <dka_> dvs not qt qll
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• 677[04:43:18] <Pwnna> does anyone know what happens when i use iptables along with nftables?
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• 679[04:43:32] <Pwnna> i want to use nftables but some software is setting iptables under the hood
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• 689[04:51:50] <somiaj> Pwnna: what software is using iptables? And why not just disable, not use that software?
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• 698[05:04:49] <michael2> Pwnna: has something installed the netfilter-persistent systemd service? that would apply all the rules out of a file like: /etc/iptables/rules or similar
• 699[05:05:19] <michael2> on boot / systemd start I mean
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• 704[05:09:20] <michael2> does anyone know if debian has a dedicated "server" variant? like how ubuntu has "ubuntu desktop" and "ubuntu server"?
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• 706[05:09:36] <petemc> it does not
• 707[05:10:45] <michael2> ok, thanks
• 708[05:10:49] <cr0w3> I have an older windows surface running the dreaded RT version of windows, can I turn it into a debian tablet?
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• 712[05:11:41] <somiaj> michael2: most people who use it as a server just start with a minimium system and then install the server software they want with no gui.
• 713[05:12:28] <Sveta> michael2: use netinst, then select from this list replaced-url
• 714[05:12:32] <Pwnna> michael2: i don't think anything installed that service
• 715[05:13:03] <Pwnna> somiaj: i'm still in a transition phase, but that piece of software is important and it calls iptables internally. changing it atm is unfeasible
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• 717[05:14:52] <somiaj> Pwnna: I'm unsure how they interact together, anyways this is the answer I found.
• 718[05:15:05] <somiaj> Pwnna: replaced-url
• 719[05:15:13] <Pwnna> hm
• 720[05:15:23] <Pwnna> yeah no one really said much about the subject
• 721[05:15:50] <Pwnna> nft is really nice but there are a number of software just calles iptables internally
• 722[05:17:55] <michael2> somiaj: and I take it the way to get the "minimum system" - is just to run the installer and don't select any of the task sel options? or just the "standard system utilities" tasksel option? as shown here:
• 723[05:17:57] <michael2> replaced-url
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• 726[05:20:03] <somiaj> michael2: i would at least select standard utilties, and ssh server is common to use,
• 727[05:20:56] <michael2> ok cool
• 728[05:20:58] <michael2> thanks
• 729[05:21:45] <wingman2> yeah you want ssh server
• 730[05:22:32] <somiaj> and make sure to unselect desktop enviroment
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• 806[06:37:29] <expert975> Can apt be considered a backdoor?
• 807[06:37:41] <nkuttler> anything can be considered a backdoor
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• 810[06:39:58] <expert975> How can I make sure apt is not a backdoor?
• 811[06:40:45] <somiaj> read the source code, and then check that the build is reproducible, (identical to that built form the soruce code)
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• 813[06:41:47] <expert975> Doing that for every package would be a massive amount of work
• 814[06:42:12] <somiaj> then you give your trust to debian and the matianers who look at the packages.
• 815[06:42:51] <somiaj> debian has a whole effort to ensure builds are reproducible, and apt has security/authentication methods to ensure that you are getting packages from offical debian servers.
• 816[06:43:36] <expert975> Where can I read more about that?
• 817[06:43:47] <gutte> it worked - Stress program pretty much have stressed my cpu 100% now
• 818[06:44:37] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 821[06:45:36] <expert975> Nice! Thank you.
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• 824[06:47:15] <OS-35719> 10.11.1.5
• 825[06:47:20] <somiaj> there are people that test packages, and a backdoor (or a package that listens, or wakes up when a certain port is knocked) would be considered a grave bug. But at some level you have to put trust in both the upstream software, and debian matainers who package it, and debian developers to analyize the packages, before adding them to the debian repos.
• 826[06:47:43] <OS-35719> OSCP
• 827[06:48:14] <gutte> Question what is the difference of these 2
• 828[06:48:15] <gutte> ${acpitemp} ${hwmon 0 temp 1}
• 829[06:48:20] <gutte> ${acpitemp} or ${hwmon 0 temp 1}
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• 831[06:50:15] <expert975> somiaj: When a new version of a software is released, do the maintaners read the changes before allowing the new package?
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• 834[06:51:00] <expert975> somiaj: This should take place between the incoming and unstable branch, I assume
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• 837[06:53:02] <somiaj> expert975: most don't, they put their trust in the upstream devs who made the changes.
• 838[06:53:46] <somiaj> expert975: there are various automatic tests on packages to ensure good quality, but this isn't fully security hardining, more just package quality testing.
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• 844[06:56:40] <expert975> somiaj: How concerting is this situation for privacy?
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• 849[06:58:05] <somiaj> expert975: I'm not concerned, and trust both debian devs, matainers and the upstream devlopers of the software I use.
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• 851[07:00:39] <rant> I tried to rsync -avr /usr and it didnt copy hardly anything
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• 854[07:01:39] <somiaj> rant: where did you copy it to? also -a inplies -r, so you just need -av.
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• 856[07:02:03] <somiaj> rant: but that does seem weird.
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• 869[07:08:01] <rant> copied it to an ext4/luks thumbdrive
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• 872[07:09:03] <somiaj> for the first time, or was /usr already there?
• 873[07:09:27] <rant> drive was blank
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• 879[07:10:36] <rant> rsync -av /usr /media/user/c83f1934-4763-45c8-8bdc-ec3dec429249/ now just says sent 5,347,033 bytes received 13,411 bytes total size is 4,828,464,132 I got less than 400mb on dest and src is over 4gb
• 880[07:10:43] <happygilmoregent> Anyone use debian-hamblend?
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• 883[07:11:15] <rant> is it kosher? :P
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• 885[07:11:50] <somiaj> rant: and no errors? maybe add the --log option, the log file does give more details what is going on than just -v.
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• 887[07:11:56] <happygilmoregent> Is debian with amateur radio apps preloaded
• 888[07:12:08] <rant> no errors
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• 890[07:12:27] <michael2> expert975: even though every line of code may not be read before being brought into unstable, there is an audit trail. if the upstream repo uses git, the tree which the code is taken from is checksummed (sha1), and has a history of changes, so that even if its not reviewed today, it can be re-visited if necessary. then reproducible builds ensure most binary packages can be verifiably linked to the upstream
• 891[07:12:29] <michael2> source.
• 892[07:12:59] <happygilmoregent> I think it runs Jessie but no body will tell me if it can be upgraded to stretch
• 893[07:13:01] <rant> happygilmoregent: I was just being silly, this is no place for a survey.. I'm sure the blend has a mailing list and the people on that list use it
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• 896[07:13:17] <happygilmoregent> Ok
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• 899[07:13:23] <rant> happygilmoregent: if its an official debian it can be upgraded
• 900[07:13:36] <michael2> also, even if the lines of code are read - it doesn't necessarily give a guarantee that code is 100% trustble because the devs may not fully understand every conditional outcome that code causes
• 901[07:13:56] <rant> !blends
• 902[07:13:56] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
• 903[07:15:16] <somiaj> many hamradio software is non-free though, so you may want to double check that the hamradio software can be upgraded, but I don't have a good understanding of what debian-hamblend has.
• 904[07:15:33] <rant> idk apparently it was just my filemanager not reporting the stuff cause it all seems to be there
• 905[07:16:02] <somiaj> rant: rsync is usually fairly reliable, maybe try du over your file manager
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• 925[07:34:22] <testeneu> hi
• 926[07:35:55] <avis-> i use bluray. i do believe that i can put ALL debian eso's on one single bluray (i assume its m-disc -- thing that will play despite damage. there sure is a change of consciousnesses on this planet
• 927[07:36:02] <avis-> isos !
• 928[07:37:48] <avis-> i do believe lightscribe burners don't have to break down. i can label my dvd's with very nice etched photos (unlike a thought of a *m-disc?* not being read :) if i'm wrong it must be something else. they told me it was m-disc.
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• 932[07:40:34] <somiaj> avis-: debian makes blue ray images.
• 933[07:40:37] <avis-> i not only like linux i like older versions, and to put it all in a disc ? thats great ! :)
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• 935[07:40:58] <avis-> thank you
• 936[07:41:25] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 937[07:43:18] <somiaj> and it takes three blue rays for all debian apckages, though the first one most likely has everything you'll need
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• 940[07:44:26] <pinkos> hi anyone running debiain on ryzen 5 2400g?
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• 943[07:47:17] <pinkos> can debian run that cpu and the graphics chip okay?
• 944[07:47:39] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 945[07:47:47] <somiaj> I think so, though you may need a newer kernel from stretch-backprots
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• 949[07:49:33] <somiaj> though it appears it is quite a new chip, requires a very new kernel, linux 4.16, and newer mesa and firmawre. YOu may find getting debian stable to work with it nicely a bit of a pain.
• 950[07:49:57] <somiaj> so I would say, it could work, but it is quite a bit newer than stretch will support natively and will require some work to get everything include the graphics to work right.
• 951[07:50:35] <pinkos> hmm
• 952[07:50:42] <pinkos> maybe ubuntu might work with it out of box
• 953[07:50:42] <pinkos> ?
• 954[07:50:44] <somiaj> so I would reocmmended that if you awnt debian stretch to work nicely out fo the box.
• 955[07:51:02] <somiaj> maybe, but unsure, I see various sucess stores and issues with it, mostly due to how new it is.
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• 957[07:51:12] <pinkos> hmm
• 958[07:51:19] <pinkos> trying to build a nice pc for darktable
• 959[07:51:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 960[07:52:21] <somiaj> anyways, that hardware is quite new, espically the gpu end, and debian stable might be a bit old for things to work nicely.
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• 962[07:53:57] <pinkos> hmm
• 963[07:54:13] <pinkos> looks like it does work though with latest software and rivers
• 964[07:54:14] <pinkos> drivers
• 965[07:54:18] <testeneu> hey ...has anyone tried to install debian on a huawei matebook x pro ? I´d like to buy it, but i dont know if debian will work on it
• 966[07:54:28] <pinkos> stallman wouldnt approve, but what are you gonna do?
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• 968[07:54:45] <somiaj> testeneu: check the hardware, what cpu, gpu, and wireless network card are the main things that usually cause hookup.
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• 970[07:55:23] <testeneu> somiaj: i will check this..thanks!
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• 974[07:57:58] <pinkos> with modern motherboards do i still need to add dual ram cards or can i put in one at a time
• 975[07:58:14] <somiaj> dual ram cards?
• 976[07:58:28] <pinkos> ram dimms
• 977[07:58:29] <pinkos> lol
• 978[07:58:42] <somiaj> you mean ram dimms, and I have never heard of having to add dual, though most mobos have two tracks to speed up things if you have two
• 979[07:58:53] <somiaj> so it isn't a requirement, but can sometimes improve preformance. Check the mobo in question.
• 980[07:59:18] <pinkos> a lot of mini itx boards seem to have issues
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• 1026[08:30:37] <dka_> Hi
• 1027[08:30:42] <dka_> I have a backup that cant fit on my home
• 1028[08:30:50] <dka_> I want to know the size of the backup so I can format again with the good size
• 1029[08:31:01] <dka_> How can I know the fastest way the size of my backup?
• 1030[08:31:12] <dka_> because I have run `du -h ./` and it is running for an hour
• 1031[08:31:25] <dka_> it's an USB external hard drive
• 1032[08:31:42] <somiaj> df -h will tell you the data used on the whole filesystem.
• 1033[08:32:18] <dka_> well, its just a folder
• 1034[08:32:24] <dka_> and its not on the FS
• 1035[08:32:26] <dka_> it s on the hD
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• 1038[08:35:46] <arosusi> dka: Try du -sh yourfolder
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• 1042[08:37:31] <dka_> ok so it is less verbose
• 1043[08:37:33] <dka_> but it still take tiime
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• 1070[08:56:52] <arosusi> dka: It will always require time on large folders with a lot of (small) files.
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• 1164[10:00:22] <cr1t1cal> using debian buster right now
• 1165[10:00:23] <cr1t1cal> I installed nodejs
• 1166[10:00:26] <cr1t1cal> via apt
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• 1168[10:00:41] <cr1t1cal> but when I type "npm" into the terminal it says "npm not installed"?
• 1169[10:00:42] <annadane> yeah that'll last /s
• 1170[10:01:02] <annadane> hmm, not sure what needs to be typed to invoke nodejs
• 1171[10:01:07] <cr1t1cal> node
• 1172[10:02:25] <themill> npm is not in buster
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• 1176[10:03:42] <cr1t1cal> themill: what the fuck why the hell not?
• 1177[10:03:50] <themill> language
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• 1179[10:04:04] <cr1t1cal> themill: *ahem* why not?
• 1180[10:04:18] <cr1t1cal> it is just that so many things tend to 'not be in buster'
• 1181[10:04:22] <cr1t1cal> it kinda pisses me off
• 1182[10:04:28] <themill> because the entire nodejs ecosystem is an unmaintainable mess
• 1183[10:04:42] <cr1t1cal> okay
• 1184[10:04:47] <cr1t1cal> so how can i get npm?
• 1185[10:05:01] <annadane> the DPL actually tends to recommend sid rather than testing for a whole variety of reasons
• 1186[10:05:12] <annadane> not that i recommend it as such, but...
• 1187[10:05:23] <annadane> packages can get removed from testing
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• 1189[10:05:26] <themill> lamby doesn't do support in #debian, however.
• 1190[10:05:39] <annadane> yeah, hence my refusal to officially endorse it
• 1191[10:06:03] <annadane> as for npm, i'm not sure, but i think you can add the upstream repository for it
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• 1195[10:09:09] <annadane> or i guess, use a virtual machine running sid and use that for npm
• 1196[10:09:13] <annadane> ,v npm
• 1197[10:09:15] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
• 1198[10:09:26] <annadane> ,v nodejs
• 1199[10:09:27] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; sid: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 10.3.0~dfsg-1
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• 1201[10:09:56] <jelly> that looks horribly old, same version in jessie and sid
• 1202[10:10:35] <annadane> people tend to just add the npm repo to their sources.list, i don't actually know what it is though
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• 1206[10:13:19] <cr1t1cal> annadane: i dont know what it is either
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• 1209[10:16:25] <michael2> nodesource
• 1210[10:20:04] <michael2> here is the script which adds the repo replaced-url
• 1211[10:20:45] * themill cries at curl | bash
• 1212[10:21:29] <annadane> but yeah probably just use a VM and use it purely for nodejs
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• 1214[10:22:27] <michael2> yeah, curl | _sudo_ bash
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• 1218[10:24:00] <michael2> and I think here are the indexes: replaced-url
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• 1274[11:12:10] <cr1t1cal> michael2: how do I run a .x script?
• 1275[11:12:14] <jim> hi... I wanted to view the source for the libc func ftell(), can I do that pretty easily?
• 1276[11:12:45] <jim> like, is the libc debian uses under git or something like that?
• 1277[11:13:52] <antto> it must be somewhere
• 1278[11:14:02] <jim> tru dat :)
• 1279[11:14:33] <antto> could it be "glibc-source" ?
• 1280[11:15:12] <jim> I guess I could always apt-get source glibc or libc6
• 1281[11:15:30] <jim> and yes, I guess it could be
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• 1283[11:15:54] <antto> there's also "libc6-dev"
• 1284[11:16:39] <jim> that's for building stuff whose source you have, and which links to libc6
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• 1286[11:17:23] <antto> ah, "dev" vs "source" i guess?
• 1287[11:17:51] <jim> antto, as an example, if you wanted to write a C program that uses printf(), you would need libc6-dev installed
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• 1292[11:19:20] <jim> the thing that it links to, and the necessary headers (in this case stdio.h) are in that package
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• 1294[11:20:49] <antto> yeah, i don't know in detail, i just install "build-essential" and then i can haz printf() for sure
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• 1296[11:21:44] <jim> right, because build-essential depends on the compiler, the binutils, make and libc6-dev
• 1297[11:21:58] <antto> yeah, it's a meta package thing
• 1298[11:22:06] <jim> and probably some other stuff too
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• 1324[11:40:11] <rant> I just installed wine 3.0 using this same command on my system and tried it on another remote amd64 stretch system I recently upgraded from jessie and its giving me crap: replaced-url
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• 1327[11:41:05] <rant> furthermore my systemd and udev are not these suggested backports versions on the machine I just installed wine from backports on
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• 1331[11:42:48] <Necrony> rant, read the crap: The following packages have unmet dependencies
• 1332[11:43:17] <rant> I read it
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• 1334[11:44:29] <rant> I'm not telling it to install libudev1 from backports
• 1335[11:45:18] <rant> and as I said I just did this on another machine running same version of debian and I still have the stretch versions of udev and systemd not the backports stuff its trying to get here
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• 1343[11:50:46] <Necrony> rant, okey but why not? maybe on your 1st machine these packages was already updated.
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• 1347[11:53:33] <rant> figured it out libudev1:i386 was apparently already installed on the other machine and somewhere down the line thats required and being pulled in with -t stretch-backports
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• 1349[11:53:57] <rant> installing libudev1:i386 first lets me install everything without updating systemd and udev
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• 1353[11:57:56] <rant> replaced-url
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• 1371[12:10:08] <xmbswc> is release stretch == stable ?
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• 1373[12:10:23] <Sveta> xmbswc: hi, yes
• 1374[12:10:30] <xmbswc> hi, thanks
• 1375[12:10:37] <Sveta> xmbswc: you're welcome :-)
• 1376[12:10:57] <xmbswc> your nick sveta in bulgarish means 'i light'
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• 1379[12:11:49] <Sveta> xmbswc: yes, it is my name origin in a few Slavic languages :-)
• 1380[12:12:02] <xmbswc> good good :)))
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• 1383[12:14:21] <michael2> is anyone familiar with syslinux? when I simply try to configure syslinux to use menu.cfg - it just refuses to load the file...
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• 1389[12:16:55] <dka_> How can I do `ls` on a folder that only have jpg and run this command `convert -resize 50% ${file}.png ${file}-resize.jpg` ?
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• 1391[12:17:26] <Sveta> dka_: use xargs
• 1392[12:17:49] <dka_> is it `for [ $file in "$PWD" ] ; then convert t -resize 50% ${file}.png ${file}-resize.jpg; fi;` ? or something like this ?
• 1393[12:17:56] <dka_> Sveta, I would love to know how to do with xargs
• 1394[12:18:33] <dka_> maybe with awk
• 1395[12:19:37] <michael2> or find . -name '*.jpg' -a -exec then convert t -resize 50% ${file}.png
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• 1397[12:20:20] <Sveta> dka_: replaced-url
• 1398[12:20:30] <michael2> sorry, I meant: find . -name '*.jpg' -a -exec -resize 50% ... {} \;
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• 1408[12:22:24] <michael2> dka_: I would use `ls` and try parse its output - it wil fail if files have spaces or weird chars
• 1409[12:22:39] <michael2> s/would/wouldn't/
• 1410[12:22:55] <michael2> I wouldn't try parse output of ls
• 1411[12:23:18] <dka_> michael2, how do you do with find ?
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• 1413[12:23:38] <dka_> to set input file and output file from the same name but with a suffix in their name
• 1414[12:24:26] <michael2> oh ok, then you could do something like:
• 1415[12:24:38] <dka_> nevermind
• 1416[12:24:47] <dka_> `mogrify -resize 50%x50% *` does it
• 1417[12:24:53] <dka_> except I dont save the originals
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• 1420[12:26:24] <michael2> find . -name '*.jpg' -print0 | while read -d '' file; do convert "$file.png" ..; done
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• 1425[12:29:46] <jelly> !parsingls
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• 1427[12:29:55] <jelly> dpkg: ping
• 1428[12:29:55] <dpkg> pong
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• 1434[12:37:11] <shtrb> anyone here with wiki edit account ?
• 1435[12:37:26] <shtrb> *with an account that edit debian wiki
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• 1438[12:40:18] <Sveta> shtrb: i can
• 1439[12:40:59] <shtrb> Could he please add replaced-url
• 1440[12:41:13] <shtrb> Sveta, ^
• 1441[12:41:31] <shtrb> s/he/you/g
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• 1446[12:45:34] <Sveta> shtrb: looking
• 1447[12:45:50] <shtrb> thanks
• 1448[12:46:15] <Sveta> shtrb: there's no nouveau section, do i create one? i only see nvidia section
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• 1450[12:46:33] <shtrb> under the NVidia there are two
• 1451[12:47:00] <shtrb> or you could just add it near the #nouveau link this one (this link is the recent X documentation )
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• 1453[12:47:27] <shtrb> Or even better with Nvidia Optimus (new section)
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• 1458[12:49:53] <shtrb> And if possible to add the same link in replaced-url
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• 1461[12:55:16] <Sveta> shtrb: added on the first page
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• 1463[12:55:51] <shtrb> Thank you !
• 1464[12:56:07] <shtrb> next user will loose less time that I did
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• 1467[12:58:01] <Sveta> shtrb: added to the second page also
• 1468[12:58:27] <shtrb> Thank you ! sends virtual pizza slice to Sveta
• 1469[12:58:38] * shtrb sends virtual pizza to Sveta
• 1470[12:59:04] <Sveta> :3 you're welcome
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• 1569[14:09:51] <volodim> hello
• 1570[14:10:00] <volodim> i have issues with my sound
• 1571[14:10:12] <volodim> only hdmi output soundcard is detected
• 1572[14:10:24] <volodim> i can't use my audio chip
• 1573[14:11:16] <lorde> Is your sound card supported by alsa?
• 1574[14:11:41] <lorde> And what card do you have, by the way?
• 1575[14:11:59] <volodim> Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
• 1576[14:12:12] <volodim> as I said hdmi output works, i can see it in /proc/asound/cards
• 1577[14:12:20] <volodim> but no standard jack output
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• 1582[14:15:22] <shtrb> pavucontrol !
• 1583[14:15:33] <shtrb> !pavucontrol
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• 1586[14:15:55] <shtrb> oh crap , volodim , try checking with pavucontrol if your audio setting are correct
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• 1588[14:16:03] <volodim> I removed pulseaudio because it doesn't work
• 1589[14:16:15] <volodim> it keeps respawn, can't kill it and no sound at all
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• 1591[14:17:26] <lorde> volodim: why, oh why? I does work, and it's supposed to respawn
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• 1594[14:18:04] <lorde> Have you tried methods that can be found by googling 'intel c220 audio linux'?
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• 1597[14:18:26] * shtrb checks eurovision 2006
• 1598[14:18:54] <shtrb> lorde , just one letter off :-(
• 1599[14:20:08] <lorde> shtrb: what are you talking about?
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• 1601[14:20:41] <shtrb> your nick , it remind me Eurovision 2006
• 1602[14:21:11] <lorde> It's supposed to remind you of Lorde, the New Zealand singer
• 1603[14:21:43] <shtrb> Did she won the eurovision ?
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• 1606[14:23:49] <lorde> Um, no? There is a reason why it's called +euro+vision
• 1607[14:24:17] <Necrony> the band from eurovision 2006 is Lordi
• 1608[14:24:22] <volodim> lorde: pulseaudio doesn't work at all, when i try to launch mocp or any other audio player (even youtube) it can't connect to pa server
• 1609[14:24:30] <shtrb> Because Australia is that far from New Zealand ...
• 1610[14:24:33] <volodim> i just saw on google but found nothing
• 1611[14:24:48] <shtrb> Necrony, I know, his nick reminded me that (minus one letter)
• 1612[14:24:55] <volodim> the base problem is that only digital audio is detected but no analog
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• 1614[14:25:16] <Necrony> Lordi > Lorde
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• 1616[14:25:20] <volodim> but digital audio doesn't also work
• 1617[14:25:27] <shtrb> Necrony, yep
• 1618[14:25:40] <lorde> volodim: That's interesting
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• 1620[14:26:34] <lorde> Is this like some weird laptop sound chip? Maybe it requires non-free firmware or something? Have you checked if it's in alsa's supported devices db yet?
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• 1624[14:26:50] <volodim> mmmmh it seems i can see the card with inxi but not with lspci
• 1625[14:26:59] <volodim> lorde: it's a desktop compuer
• 1626[14:27:16] <volodim> Audio:
• 1627[14:27:17] <volodim> Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
• 1628[14:27:17] <volodim> driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:03.0
• 1629[14:27:17] <volodim> Card-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
• 1630[14:27:17] <volodim> driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0
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• 1633[14:27:29] <volodim> sorry for the flood
• 1634[14:27:38] <volodim> here'is the inxi output
• 1635[14:27:56] <volodim> it detect 2 cards but lspci detect only one (the digital one)
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• 1638[14:30:16] <alx_fly> is there a possibilty to enable something like xinerama with xrandr????
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• 1646[14:37:38] <volodim> sorry
• 1647[14:37:44] <volodim> both cards are detected
• 1648[14:37:49] <NetTerminalGene> i saw qemu update released in 29 May 2018. i updated repo and upgrade, but it doesn't show any qemu update. and it is the old version. is it normal?
• 1649[14:37:50] <volodim> but not by alsa
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• 1652[14:39:05] <phogg> NetTerminalGene: released by whom? Where did you see this?
• 1653[14:39:17] <NetTerminalGene> phogg, in debian site
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• 1660[14:40:30] <phogg> NetTerminalGene: can you be more specific?
• 1661[14:40:56] <NetTerminalGene> phogg, you can see at the bottom in page. replaced-url
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• 1672[14:45:46] <phogg> NetTerminalGene: if you have a security source for stretch in your sources.list you should be able to get it
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• 1676[14:46:16] <NetTerminalGene> i have security repo
• 1677[14:46:43] <atmospheric> Hey, quick question: How do I start a simple shell script at boot? What's the proper/preferred way? I'm not running any programs or daemons with it.
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• 1682[14:47:59] <atmospheric> back in the days one would modify the rc.local file in /etc, is that still a thing?
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• 1688[14:50:17] <toruvinn> atmospheric, if you give it +x then it will, but it's kinda something they want to remove soon(?)
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• 1691[14:51:33] <atmospheric> what's the correct way then? I googled a bit and all I'm finding is either systemd services or outdated init stuff.
• 1692[14:51:46] <atmospheric> I 'm not running any services, just a simple shel script
• 1693[14:52:39] <volodim> good
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• 1695[14:52:45] <volodim> both of my card are detected
• 1696[14:52:52] <volodim> i get sound on analog
• 1697[14:52:59] <volodim> but pulseaudio doesn't work ...
• 1698[14:53:05] <volodim> connection refused
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• 1708[14:58:50] <bites> atmospheric: rc.local or create a systemd service of type oneshot. both are valid.
• 1709[14:58:52] <atmospheric> I'll just try the systemd service then...
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• 1714[15:00:10] <lorde> atmospheric: that's the best solution. It's pretty easy to create a unit, and it will also allow you to specify exactly when it will be executed
• 1715[15:00:41] <atmospheric> alright, ty.
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• 1720[15:02:29] <lorde> volodim: when exactly this 'connection refused' thing happens? Is your user in 'audio' group? Could you paste here the output of 'getent group audio'?
• 1721[15:02:44] <alx_fly> how to use xrandr to configure multiple screen as ONE!
• 1722[15:02:47] <alx_fly> ?
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• 1727[15:08:45] <lorde> alx_fly: dude, I've been able to find a solution for you using google, have you tried that?
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• 1734[15:12:15] <lorde> alx_fly: replaced-url
• 1735[15:13:35] <alx_fly> lorde: oh thank you. you can google? Wow
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• 1737[15:15:13] <alx_fly> Xinerama and xrandr same incompatible. And hey arandr or GNOME should shipp this option by its own, if linux should ever used in thios ****ing world. i prefer the terminal btw :)
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• 1741[15:18:01] <alx_fly> i have no problem to pay 200$ a year for linux but fuck... I should google how to setup basic stuff?
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• 1744[15:19:16] <TyzefOiD> Linux200$???
• 1745[15:19:59] <TyzefOiD> alx_fly what type of Linux that one???
• 1746[15:20:03] <lorde> alx_fly: googling is a very useful skill, yes. If you think that GNOME should support this via their GUI thingy, feel free to make a patch that's going to enable that. You can at least suggest it to them
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• 1748[15:20:19] <lorde> TyzefOiD: RHEL or SLED
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• 1750[15:20:35] <TyzefOiD> thank lorde
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• 1752[15:20:56] <lorde> TyzefOiD: subscription with support costs around $300 if I'm not mistaken
• 1753[15:21:06] <lorde> TyzefOiD: yearly
• 1754[15:21:21] <alx_fly> debian 9?
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• 1758[15:22:26] <lorde> alx_fly: hah?
• 1759[15:22:40] <alx_fly> lorde: I am using linux long time and fixed a lot of stuff..... but the progress of linux on desktop makes me angry!
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• 1761[15:23:04] <alx_fly> hpc with linux is cool
• 1762[15:23:06] <lorde> alx_fly: why? It's the best it's ever been atm
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• 1764[15:23:57] <lorde> alx_fly: the functionality that you want is really niche. It's really mostly needed for like advertisement screens on the streets or in malls
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• 1769[15:24:02] <alx_fly> useability? integrate my samsung? something like side sync for android???
• 1770[15:24:19] <alx_fly> use KDE stuff to connect minor things on gnome?
• 1771[15:24:23] <alx_fly> yeah thats it
• 1772[15:24:30] <alx_fly> do all your self!
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• 1775[15:25:18] * alx_fly hitting the world :D
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• 1779[15:27:10] <ikanobori> `date +"%Y"` is the year of linux on the desktop
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• 1782[15:27:53] <lorde> alx_fly: no one owes you anything. If you want your phone notifications in your GNOME desktop, help them implement that. Debian is not affiliated with GNOME, I'm afraid. If you don't like Linux on desktop, no one's forcing you to use it
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• 1787[15:28:24] <BCMM> also, i don't think windows has *anything* that integrates like kde connect does
• 1788[15:28:39] <BCMM> isn't the alternative pretty much "buy a mac and an iphone"?
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• 1790[15:28:53] <alx_fly> lorde: And thats the wrong attitude! come on. You dont like my crap. FU? thats your answer???
• 1791[15:29:16] <BCMM> alx_fly: either you don't understand what this channel is for, or you don't understand what you want
• 1792[15:29:23] <BCMM> alx_fly: think about what you're trying to achieve here
• 1793[15:29:30] <alx_fly> BCMM: but its basic. or not? every got a phone?
• 1794[15:29:31] <lorde> alx_fly: I did not see a question to answer
• 1795[15:29:43] <BCMM> alx_fly: if you don't like linux on a desktop, don't use it!
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• 1797[15:30:13] <alx_fly> lorde, BCMM: Sorry... only tech question!
• 1798[15:30:13] <BCMM> alx_fly: right, but what do you want? do you want somebody to try and convince you to keep using desktop linux? do you want to convince *us* to stop using it, because it sucks so much?
• 1799[15:30:31] <lorde> alx_fly: I do have an Android phone, now what? I have no need to see the notifications on my computer screen, because I can pick up my phone and see them on the phone's screen. Magic
• 1800[15:30:37] <BCMM> or is this all a preamble to an actual question you want answered but haven't got around to asking yet?
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• 1804[15:32:17] <alx_fly> all good. I will continue google. I am happy that from end of april bumblebee is fixed on some dell models :) mine ;)
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• 1811[15:37:02] <alx_fly> lorde, BCMM: thank you!
• 1812[15:37:31] <alx_fly> normally you couldn't ask someone...
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• 1849[15:56:04] <Rayben> red light district channel
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• 1863[16:01:59] <volodim> lorde: output of getent group audio : audio:x:29:pulse,volodim
• 1864[16:02:14] <volodim> pulseaudio -D doesn't work
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• 1866[16:02:32] <volodim> pavucontrol can't connect
• 1867[16:02:35] <volodim> and mocp too
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• 1872[16:06:24] <Rayben> Red-light districts are areas associated with the sex industry and sex-oriented businesses (e.g. sex shops and strip clubs). In some of these places prostitution may legally take place. Other red-light districts are known for their illegal prostitution scene (in countries where prostitution is illegal). In red light districts where prostitution is illegal prostitutes or clients may be arrested or fined if caught by the police (the enforcement of
• 1873[16:06:25] <Rayben> anti-prostitution laws varies by country or place).
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• 1897[16:24:00] <lorde> volodim: sorry, mate, here go all my ideas
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• 1900[16:25:30] <Spida> how do I swap my mousebuttons? I found the necessary xinput command, but how can I have it execute in the login-manager (lightdm) BEFORE LOGIN?
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• 1904[16:26:41] <Spida> or is there another way to permanently swap mouse buttons?
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• 1908[16:27:33] <Kelsar> Spida: see the inputclass section replaced-url
• 1909[16:27:52] <Kelsar> ButtonMapping is what you want
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• 1920[16:30:00] <AndyOslo> Hi
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• 1924[16:30:46] <Spida> Kelsar: I though using xorg.conf was thoroughly deprecated?
• 1925[16:31:00] <phogg> not at all
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• 1927[16:31:09] <phogg> just "probably unnecessary"
• 1928[16:31:18] <phogg> until it isn't
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• 1930[16:31:42] <Kelsar> Spida: config snippets liek that in xorg.conf.d are totaly fine
• 1931[16:32:07] <Kelsar> you likely need to change the MatchProduct line
• 1932[16:32:43] <pwnage> generally u don't need xorg.conf until X11 decides to screw up on u which happens way to often if u have an older machine
• 1933[16:33:05] <phogg> s/u/you/g
• 1934[16:33:13] <Spida> brand new laptop. has it's touchpad buttons swapped, though
• 1935[16:33:53] <phogg> Spida: auto-detection is supposed to replace xorg.conf, but only insofar as it does what you want. Used to be X would do nothing without config, now you sometimes need some.
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• 1937[16:34:20] <pwnage> Spida: Xorg -configure and check the input section
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• 1939[16:35:37] <hypn0> won't synclient do that
• 1940[16:36:07] <hypn0> man synaptics ?
• 1941[16:36:50] <pwnage> hypn0: i guess it should have its config under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
• 1942[16:37:21] <pwnage> hypn0: but i thing just running Xorg --configure shuld make it if it isn't there
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• 1945[16:38:17] <pwnage> hypn0: don't have much experience with laptops tbh
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• 1949[16:40:19] <volodim> i've almost solved the problem
• 1950[16:40:27] <volodim> get audio with pulse and jack
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• 1952[16:40:33] <volodim> but no with pulse and alsa
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• 1954[16:41:29] <volodim> pavucontrol works
• 1955[16:41:36] <volodim> and i can see the signal
• 1956[16:41:37] <divf_> I am trying to install debian on an cherry trail tablet (amd64 but only 32bit efi)
• 1957[16:41:39] <volodim> but no sound
• 1958[16:42:09] <divf_> I could boot a amd64 debian live system
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• 1960[16:42:35] <divf_> how can I start the installer on a live system?
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• 1965[16:43:27] <AndyOslo> Anyone who knows if there are som problems with the Debian mirrors right now?
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• 1974[16:45:11] <pwnage> AndyOslo: everything fine over here
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• 1976[16:45:32] <pwnage> AndyOslo: try the ftp one
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• 1983[16:46:40] <AndyOslo> pwnage: I have some problems starting a install of 9.4, it says something about mirror does not support the specified release (stretch)
• 1984[16:46:52] <AndyOslo> pwnage: But i will try the ftp one :)
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• 1987[16:47:44] <pwnage> AndyOslo: if u still get the message just move one with the installation and then manually change the mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2006[16:56:48] <inquisitiv3> How does *The Debian Administrator's Handbook* compare to Linux Academy's Linux courses?
• 2007[16:57:29] <inquisitiv3> For a student looking into learning Linux in general and Debian in particular.
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• 2014[16:58:41] <pwnage> inquisitiv3: don't waste your many on courses u have more then enought materials to learn for free on web
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• 2018[16:59:34] <pwnage> inquisitiv3: *money
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• 2022[16:59:48] <shtrb> inquisitiv3, isn't Debian admin handbook free ?
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• 2024[17:00:13] <pwnage> shtrb: yeah i was talking about the linuxacademy course
• 2025[17:00:15] <shtrb> inquisitiv3, tldp
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• 2027[17:00:20] <inquisitiv3> pwnage: Yes, but I prefer to learn from the "best" material than sub par material.
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• 2029[17:00:42] <shtrb> inquisitiv3, there is not a single BEST thing , there are many very good sources
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• 2033[17:01:20] <pwnage> inquisitiv3: the debian handbook is a very well written material for learning + arch wiki + man pages
• 2034[17:01:31] <inquisitiv3> shtrb: Technically yes, but you're supposed to donate some money to get it.
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• 2036[17:01:42] <inquisitiv3> But I've already done that.
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• 2039[17:02:49] <shtrb> I think it's slightly outdated (system50 stuff is very high level) , but a good start
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• 2041[17:03:43] <shtrb> You would need to dive systemd` and new network tools (ss,ip etc) to have a solid start from somewhere else (maybe tldp )
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• 2045[17:04:05] <pwnage> systemd is not so complicated as everyone says it is
• 2046[17:04:20] <pwnage> and u need to know it as everything uses it
• 2047[17:04:24] <pwnage> wich sucks btw
• 2048[17:04:52] <pwnage> i personally still rock sysvinit but i know not less and less people do
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• 2051[17:05:03] <pwnage> *now
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• 2053[17:05:34] <shtrb> pwnage, there is only ONE page in that book about systemd` I just say you need to get more data from other places
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• 2055[17:06:31] <shtrb> and systemd` ( networkd/timesync/resolved ) are divine work for everyone
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• 2057[17:06:42] <pwnage> shtrb: there are more resources on the web if u don't know how to use google and youtube don't even come to linux world u will be lost
• 2058[17:07:10] <shtrb> pwnage, I just gave a suggestion to the person he would need to read extra other than the book ...
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• 2061[17:07:59] <pwnage> shtrb: k mate i just think that this is pretty obvious linux is a pretty complex system there will always be something u don't know and need to look up
• 2062[17:08:00] <shtrb> *that he would need to have some extra work
• 2063[17:08:23] <shtrb> pwnage, I was talking about the book ...
• 2064[17:08:44] <pwnage> shtrb: book is a good start but it obviously is not enough
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• 2066[17:08:58] <shtrb> which I expressed in my comment ...
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• 2068[17:09:19] <shtrb> lets take it debian-offtopic
• 2069[17:09:33] <pwnage> also the linux from scratch book is pretty great but u need to have some knowladge already
• 2070[17:10:00] <shtrb> you have a link to a modern LFS ?
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• 2085[17:18:32] <inquisitiv3> shtrb, pwnage: Yes, there are some good free or cheap materials. But how does they compare? The Debian handbook hasn't been updated in some time. The ecosystem surrounding Linux changes and I don't want to spend time to read on a technology that I wont use.
• 2086[17:19:32] <shtrb> pwnage, It's a good start , systemd` (in my opinion ) is not stable enough to start from it
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• 2089[17:20:29] <pwnage> inquisitiv3: well maybe just tell us what exatcly do u want to learn ? what are u interested in ? Using linux as a server, desktop, kernel hacking ?
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• 2170[18:01:34] <Tenacious-Techhu> Can anyone test netsurf-fb without a Desktop Environment active, to see if it renders properly?
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• 2200[18:13:03] <jelly> ,v netsurf-fb
• 2201[18:13:04] <judd> Package: netsurf-fb on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9-2; jessie: 3.2+dfsg-2+b1; sid: 3.6-3.1; stretch: 3.6-3.1
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• 2233[18:29:24] <gutte__> What does it take for a program to get into the Debian repository?
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• 2235[18:30:30] <DarkiYahu> I would like to have a program in the Debian repository - how do I go about that?
• 2236[18:30:51] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: kinda dependson the program. Are you able to create a debian package for this program yourself and do you want to responsibility of maintaining this package?
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• 2238[18:31:08] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: or do you want someone in debian to create and maintain the package?
• 2239[18:31:55] <DarkiYahu> Well, I'm not the author of the Program - but find it very good, running fine without any issues on debian.
• 2240[18:32:19] <DarkiYahu> It's a lost gem of Browsers
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• 2242[18:32:42] <DarkiYahu> that seems to be only a niche - I would like to have it more out there for the people.
• 2243[18:32:42] <somiaj> you don't have to be the author as the maintainer, but provided the package license allows you to get it in debian, you could choose to maintain it.
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• 2245[18:33:20] <DarkiYahu> Aha, is there a website for that information on maintaining things?
• 2246[18:33:29] <somiaj> Browsers are kinda a problematic thing in debian, as debian security only supports firefox and chromium. I assume this is another webkit based browser? In essence these browsers get no secuirty support in debian.
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• 2248[18:34:19] <DarkiYahu> It is the Browser SeaMonkey - an old school style browser which has all the good old standard features with some new added as well.
• 2249[18:34:32] <DarkiYahu> My favorit browser - but it seems it is overlooked
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• 2251[18:34:49] <DarkiYahu> Well it is based on firefox I would think...
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• 2253[18:35:38] <somiaj> in this case, I'm unsure what would be best. Debian removed it for some reason, and you would have to ensure that reason is fixed.
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• 2255[18:35:59] <DarkiYahu> Ahh, you know if there is information somewhere, why they would remove it?
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• 2257[18:36:04] <DarkiYahu> replaced-url
• 2258[18:36:17] <somiaj> security support issues.
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• 2261[18:36:30] <DarkiYahu> The only thing I could come up with - is that the big companies would not like it to be popular as they seems to want us inside boxes
• 2262[18:36:32] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2263[18:36:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2266[18:37:11] <somiaj> that is not the reason, as seamonkey was created by mozilla, it is just not activally supported, and unsure what sort of security issues it has these days.
• 2267[18:38:17] <somiaj> seamonkey was in debian for a long time (Branded as iceape) but it was removed due to lack of security support it seems. This maybe a big hurdle to get it into debian.
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• 2270[18:38:59] <DarkiYahu> Aha... why would there be security issues if it is based on Mozilla?
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• 2275[18:39:38] <somiaj> not based on, originally built by. I don't think mozilla activaly supports this, and debian security doesn't want to, browsers are a pita to support.
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• 2277[18:39:55] <DarkiYahu> And would kind of security reasons... Like windows had a way of using that excuse to close down features in Windows which had been used for ages.
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• 2279[18:40:08] <guru> 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
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• 2281[18:40:20] <guru> I'm only hitting 50mbps no idea what's going on
• 2282[18:40:21] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2283[18:40:29] <DarkiYahu> simiaj BRB
• 2284[18:40:43] <guru> my downstream is a gigabit on all wireless ac devices
• 2285[18:40:55] <guru> shouldn't wireless n be ~400mbps downstream?
• 2286[18:41:12] <guru> i'm guessing it's driver related
• 2287[18:41:14] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: It is not some big conspiricay theory to close things down, it is that security support takes time and effort from volunteers, and browsers have a constant stream of issues, and without good security support, debian dosen't want to provide them.
• 2288[18:41:49] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: that DSA basically says if you want to keep running seamonkey, do what your doing and get the builds from mozilla. I doubt you'll get much support getting this back into debian without being able to fully provide security support for it.
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• 2290[18:42:14] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (maybe one of the mentors there can give you more info), but I don't think it is going to be easy to get seamonkey back into debian.
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• 2292[18:43:59] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: the security team is already stretched thin on things, at some level if debian cannot provide security support for the frozen package in stable. Virtualbox was removed from debian stable for similar reasons (lack of security support for a frozen version).
• 2293[18:44:15] <karlpinc> Grrr. Is "end" in parted "resizepart" command an offset from the beginning of the disk or the start of the fs?
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• 2295[18:45:29] <somiaj> guru: wireless speeds can be affected by how many other wireless networks are in the area, how far away you are from the access point, and so on. I think what you are experincing is normal.
• 2296[18:45:41] <guru> it only happens on this device
• 2297[18:46:00] <guru> if no other devices are operational with the same conditions they transfer at far greater speeds
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• 2299[18:46:22] <guru> 50mbps for wireless n 5 feet away from the AP doesn't sound right
• 2300[18:46:24] <karlpinc> Once upon a time, with parted 2, all offsets were clearly from the beginning of the disk. Which was painful but at least you knew what you were doing.
• 2301[18:46:43] <guru> my wireless ac device is reaching 1000mbps
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• 2303[18:47:58] <somiaj> guru: it could be the broadcom chip, they usually have fairly bad support in linux. Are you using the wl driver or an open one in the kernel?
• 2304[18:48:09] <guru> broadcom-sta-dkms is already the newest version (6.30.223.271-5).
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• 2306[18:48:12] <guru> this one
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• 2308[18:48:22] <guru> should i roll back to the wl driver?
• 2309[18:48:31] <somiaj> that should be the wl driver.
• 2310[18:49:32] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: anyways, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be able to give you better info than I can about getting seamonkey back into debian. But address security support for it is going to be a big concern.
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• 2312[18:52:09] <guru> seems like it's affecting a number of users good ol broadcom
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• 2314[18:52:38] <somiaj> guru: so yes, the issue could be the broadcom driver, but you are using the wl driver, which is non-free and the one that supports your card. My experience is broadcom has poor linux support.
• 2315[18:53:08] <guru> which brand should i purchase in the future? i only care about linux support
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• 2317[18:53:19] <guru> maybe i'll replace my wifi card
• 2318[18:53:27] <Tenacious-Techhu> Can someone please confirm that netsurf-fb has a rendering issue when run without a Desktop Environment?
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• 2324[18:54:29] <guru> do the intel ones have broadcom chipsets?
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• 2326[18:55:00] <guru> or do they actually manufacture them?
• 2327[18:55:21] <somiaj> guru: most cards will require non-free firmware (partly due to wireless transmissions laws), there are a few that don't require non-free firmware. As for actual speeds/support, I cannot say which ones are the best. My expreience is intel is fairly good, and the iwlwifi drivers/firmware are decent.
• 2328[18:55:40] <guru> thanks i'll research intel ones then
• 2329[18:55:45] <somiaj> guru: that is the cards I look for, as intel does provide decent linux support. But I can't tell you forsure about their speeds/capibilities
• 2330[18:55:54] <guru> no worries thanks
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• 2343[19:04:31] <Tenacious-Techhu> jelly, did you get netsurf-fb to run without a Desktop Environment?
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• 2348[19:07:35] <DarkiYahu> somiaj, Thanks il check that out and see what they say :) I just needed the toilet.
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• 2354[19:11:29] <DarkiYahu> somiaj virtualbox is something many uses right?
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• 2357[19:12:28] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: yes, and it is provided via stretch-backports with no direct security support (though when security issues hit, a new version is uploaded to sid, 10+ days later it makes it to testing, and then backported).
• 2358[19:13:49] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: oracle policy does not allow the virtualbox devs (even if they wanted to) to help support backporting security fixes to the older version that would have been frozen in stretch. As such, debian was not able to relase it with stretch, but only provided it via stretch-backports without full security support.
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• 2374[19:19:41] <lorde> somiaj: that is really interesting. Could you please tell me where can I read about packaging policies for Debian stable?
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• 2376[19:20:10] <DarkiYahu> somiaj, I Love your responds - but I must say some of it goes over my head in understanding :)
• 2377[19:20:11] <somiaj> lorde: what sort of policy? Like how to package things?
• 2378[19:20:16] <somiaj> !nmg
• 2379[19:20:16] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 2380[19:20:31] <somiaj> lorde: if you want debian policy, replaced-url
• 2381[19:20:47] <DarkiYahu> Stretch is the Debian name of the new deb?
• 2382[19:21:08] <danzer> DarkiYahu: Yes the newest version
• 2383[19:21:08] <lorde> somiaj: yeah, the latter one is what I wanted
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• 2390[19:26:21] <DarkiYahu> Ahh
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• 2392[19:26:26] <DarkiYahu> gret
• 2393[19:26:28] <DarkiYahu> great
• 2394[19:26:31] <DarkiYahu> learning
• 2395[19:27:03] <karlpinc> Wow. That was entertaining. Shrank a partition with parted and for about 2 minutes I had a load average of 3 with no cpu usage while udevadm settle was run by parted.
• 2396[19:27:17] <karlpinc> This on a partition in use.
• 2397[19:28:04] <petn-randall> karlpinc: load does not necessarily mean CPU load. It is basically how many processes are waiting for resources to be freed up for them to run.
• 2398[19:28:07] <inquisitiv3> I want to learn more about how Debian works. I asked this question some hours ago, but it seems that most of you where not online then.
• 2399[19:28:21] <petn-randall> karlpinc: This can also be disk I/O, or even network I/O.
• 2400[19:28:22] <karlpinc> petn-randall: Understood. Run queue.
• 2401[19:28:26] <jelly> karlpinc: and the filesystem was shrunk in advance?
• 2402[19:28:34] <karlpinc> jelly: Sured.
• 2403[19:28:43] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone have any thoughts as to why a framebuffer app might wind up displaying the edges of the viewport towards the middle, and the middle at the left and right edges, and start the viewport with half of it above the top of the screen?
• 2404[19:28:55] <somiaj> inquisitiv3: the debian handbook that you mentioned is a good place to start.
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• 2406[19:30:12] <karlpinc> It was just a little nervious making having it sit and wait. And it took quite a while. Especially nervious-making because the box is 1,000 miles away. (On the other hand, I don't really care about the box. :-)
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• 2408[19:30:51] <inquisitiv3> Primarly I want to get the framework of the different systems in an distribution. I don't know what systems a Linux distribution compromise of.
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• 2412[19:31:59] <karlpinc> petn-randall: I've had really high load but no cpu usage with lots of failed ssh connections. And they don't show up in ps either because they're so transient. The number of context switches was a good clue.
• 2413[19:32:41] <karlpinc> inquisitiv3: Really, there's 1000s of packages, so 1000s of potential "systems".
• 2414[19:33:45] <inquisitiv3> somiaj: Do one get a framework of the different systems that Debian consist when reading the book?
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• 2416[19:33:56] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: Not sure what you exactly mean with "framework".
• 2417[19:34:08] <somiaj> inquisitiv3: that is vague, as I'm not sure what different systems are. Start with the handbook, as questions arise, ask them.
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• 2419[19:34:36] <jhutchins> handbook
• 2420[19:34:37] <inquisitiv3> karlpinc, petn-randall, somiaj: I currently don't know what I don't know.
• 2421[19:34:48] <karlpinc> inquisitiv3: Yes. somiaj has it right. Start doing something -- then ask.
• 2422[19:35:08] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: No worries, there's a good handbook written by Debian developers:
• 2423[19:35:11] <petn-randall> !debian handbook
• 2424[19:35:11] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
• 2425[19:35:27] <jhutchins> inquisitiv3: It doesn't hurt to learn about the older systems that the new ones were built from.
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• 2427[19:35:40] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: ^^^ Feel free to start reading this, and ask questions if you don't understand or if things are unclear.
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• 2429[19:35:59] <jhutchins> petn-randall: He was saying earlier that it's a bit out of date, which might be true.
• 2430[19:36:16] <somiaj> it really isn't, most of what was true about jessie is still true about stretch.
• 2431[19:36:39] <somiaj> it just hasn't been updated to say 'stretch' everywhere, and there maybe some small differences, but at this point they won't matter in terms of the overall setup of debian.
• 2432[19:36:49] <petn-randall> It's not really out of date, it just doesn't cover stretch. But for the fundamental things not much changed between those releases, except maybe for systemd being default.
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• 2434[19:37:06] <somiaj> petn-randall: even then, that is the same, jessie was first with systemd being default.
• 2435[19:37:18] <petn-randall> And I'm guessing a lot of details changed, but I'd say it's the small details.
• 2436[19:37:30] <inquisitiv3> jhutchins: I prefer to learn about current systems, and later learn about older systems if I need to. Don't want to spend time learning things that I'll not remember because I'll not use it in my everyday life. :)
• 2437[19:37:51] <petn-randall> somiaj: Oh right! Time flies if you're having fun. :)
• 2438[19:38:55] <karlpinc> inquisitiv3: The only thing that's noticably different between jessie and stretch is the default naming of the ethernet interface. At least that's all that I noticed.
• 2439[19:39:25] <somiaj> inquisitiv3: a lot of the core policy and how debian is setup has not changed (even in releases before jessie), over time some details change, but this won't affect an intro to understanding how debian works.
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• 2441[19:40:09] <somiaj> open source software is always evoloving, but in many cases the basic function is still there.
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• 2443[19:40:49] <Sepultura> Hallo
• 2444[19:40:52] <lorde> inquisitiv3: I'd start reading about systemd and why it i
• 2445[19:41:01] <Sepultura> why is there no Persistent Mode on Debian Live?
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• 2447[19:41:18] <lorde> s better than SystemV and other init systems
• 2448[19:41:21] <karlpinc> inquisitiv3: Up util jessie & systemd a Unix administrator from 1974 would have felt entirely comfortable with Debian. That's the difference between us and the MS Windows world.
• 2449[19:41:43] <Sepultura> Systemd is controversial for many
• 2450[19:41:54] <lorde> Sepultura: Irrelevant
• 2451[19:42:02] <inquisitiv3> Thanks for the help! You've convinced me that the Debian handbook is the best (and cheapest) place to start for me. :)
• 2452[19:42:10] <inquisitiv3> You've been very helpful!
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• 2454[19:42:47] <inquisitiv3> Found a book that I think will be a good read after reading the handbook: replaced-url
• 2455[19:42:50] <lorde> Making everything a Bash script is controversial and dangerous
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• 2457[19:43:26] <somiaj> Sepultura: there is, just have to search around to find good docs for it.
• 2458[19:43:44] <somiaj> Sepultura: for persistant debian live images. Problem is persistance could mean lots of different things.
• 2459[19:46:06] <petn-randall> karlpinc: That is a gross oversimplification.
• 2460[19:46:30] <petn-randall> Sepultura: Persistent live system is called "an installation".
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• 2462[19:47:38] <somiaj> petn-randall: there are actually various forms of persistance, but the guides keep changing. Debian live supports various boot flags to give /home persistance (by naming a second partion on the live image a special label). There are even ways to use a live system and have persistance packages.
• 2463[19:48:09] <karlpinc> petn-randall: I am gross.
• 2464[19:48:10] <Sepultura> petn-randall, normally an Installation is on a HDD
• 2465[19:48:17] <somiaj> In many cases a live persistent system is better than an installation on a usb drive, because then the os is running from memeory, limiting the amount of read/writes to the usb.
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• 2467[19:48:31] <Sepultura> petn-randall, sometimes you need a portable Linux for administration defective other OSes
• 2468[19:49:29] <somiaj> Sepultura: i've seen some guides for stretch that are even fully hybrid, support both efi and legacy boot. The persistant home is the easiest, but you can do other forms of persistance. I haven't kept up on this to much, older guides used syslinux, which worked fine. Debian live images have some support built in, but it requires a bit of work to build the usb correctly.
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• 2471[19:50:22] <pavot> hello, when I run apt-get install x11-server-utils, I get the "package has no installation candidate" error. clean install, ran apt-get update, etc etc
• 2472[19:50:48] <Sepultura> is an Installation on USB portable?
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• 2474[19:51:03] <somiaj> pavot: I see no package by that name in debian. Why do you think there is such a package?
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• 2476[19:51:20] <pavot> because it provides xrandr
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• 2478[19:51:46] <somiaj> Sepultura: yes, the issue is as I mentioned above, on usb2, reading/writing to the usb can be slower than loading a live image into memeory.
• 2479[19:51:51] <lorde> pavot: what makes you think that?
• 2480[19:51:54] <pavot> replaced-url
• 2481[19:52:18] <somiaj> pavot: notice the xserver vs server in what you wrote.
• 2482[19:52:38] <pavot> ah, right
• 2483[19:52:44] <pavot> I feel like I've made that error before...
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• 2485[19:54:16] <somiaj> pavot: I was trying to find the package, but thought x11 should have been xorg, and xorg-xserver-utils didn't turn up anything either. :(
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• 2495[19:56:20] <peturvilj> hello everyone. I have an issue with the nouveau driver which fail to launch X.
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• 2497[19:56:48] <peturvilj> Error in log says "Segmentation fault at address 0x8"
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• 2499[19:57:18] <petn-randall> peturvilj: Did you by chance mix stable with another release?
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• 2501[19:58:39] <peturvilj> @petn-randall I am in sid with the testing and stable repositories available in my sources.list
• 2502[19:58:52] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 2503[19:58:52] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 2508[19:59:54] <petn-randall> peturvilj: *that's* your problem. See the link above. I recommend reinstalling.
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• 2528[20:09:10] <peturvilj> @petn-randall ok! quicker help of all time. And terrible advise. I can install for example the proprietary driver (I tried it and it works). I am not stuck and my system is not broken. I just want to know if anyone has a clue about why nouveau driver fails.
• 2529[20:09:13] <dka> I have format and I did a backup of ~/.thunderbird, how can I restore my emails ?
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• 2531[20:09:35] <jelly> having older repos together with sid is not THAT much of an issue
• 2532[20:10:05] <peturvilj> @dka move our ~/.thunderbird on the new system, then install thunderbird and launch it. It should have all your emails/config
• 2533[20:10:08] <petn-randall> peturvilj: Did you do a clean upgrade to sid?
• 2534[20:10:11] <jelly> however
• 2535[20:10:15] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2536[20:10:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich oftc.
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• 2538[20:10:22] <dka> peturvilj, it does not
• 2539[20:10:50] <peturvilj> @petn-randall I am on sid for years.
• 2540[20:10:52] <jelly> peturvilj: ^ the right place to ask whether any other user of sid has seen the same issue
• 2541[20:11:24] <petn-randall> peturvilj: Ok, my bad then. I read it as you having a stable installation with packages from sid.
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• 2545[20:12:07] <Kurogane> Hello, i've a problem with CPU load, for some reason is high but in top command not show anything who is using the resource. replaced-url
• 2546[20:12:10] <somiaj> peturvilj: the BTS is also a good place to look to see if others have reported similar bugs.
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• 2549[20:12:46] <jelly> hunting thru open src:linux bugs is a pain
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• 2551[20:13:05] <petn-randall> Kurogane: 'load' does not necessarily mean CPU load. I recommend installing atop and using that. It'll show the bottleneck in red.
• 2552[20:13:43] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: tracker.debian.org, bugs?
• 2553[20:14:23] <peturvilj> @jelly yes I tried the other day to ask in debian-next. I will again.
• 2554[20:14:57] <jelly> Kurogane: is this a VM or a physical machine? Does "vmstat 1" show a lot of non-zero r or b column values? Time spent in wa (iting for disk)?
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• 2559[20:20:19] <Kurogane> petn-randall, not sure how to read that. replaced-url
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• 2564[20:20:54] <Kurogane> jelly, here vmstat 1 replaced-url
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• 2571[20:22:43] <jelly> Kurogane: nothing pointing to I/O issues there, looks like a reasonably busy system
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• 2573[20:23:34] <jelly> sure you have 3-6 processes waiting to read from disk the whole time but we don't know if that's just normal
• 2574[20:24:24] <jelly> Kurogane: however, something is reading 200-300MB/s the whole time
• 2575[20:24:29] <petn-randall> I'm wondering why buff & slab show 0.0MB, that's unusual for any system.
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• 2577[20:25:23] <jelly> Kurogane: you did not answer, is this a VM or a physical machine? and if virtualized, is it actually a container of some sort?
• 2578[20:26:09] <jelly> Kurogane: what does "uname -a" say?
• 2579[20:28:57] <Kurogane> vm
• 2580[20:29:07] <jelly> that buff bit is a bit weird, but who knows
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• 2582[20:30:11] <petn-randall> Kurogane: What kind of VM?
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• 2584[20:32:43] <jelly> in any case; load average value is not cpu load. It's the number of processes waiting in the run queue. They may be waiting instead of running, for different reasons
• 2585[20:33:34] <jelly> eg. on a system with 16 cores, a loadavg of 16 might just mean all the cores are evenly and reasonably fully utilized
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• 2588[20:34:25] <Kurogane> Not sure, i think OpenVZ
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• 2590[20:35:14] <jelly> Kurogane: what does "uname -a" say?
• 2591[20:35:23] <tyzef> hi guys ! I'm searching for beautiful "Debian" wallpaper, the best ones ! Do you have the right address for me please? Thanks
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• 2609[20:40:58] <Kurogane> jelly, 4.4.98-2-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.4.98-101 (Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:36:02 +0100) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2626[20:53:20] <DarkiYahu> lets see
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• 2635[20:57:04] <jelly> Kurogane: that sounds like a proxmox kernel. If you think something is wrong, you'll want to contact your provider, or proxmox support
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• 2637[20:57:15] <jelly> !proxmox
• 2638[20:57:15] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 2641[20:57:26] <DarkiYahu> Any of you guys knows how long this should take?
• 2642[20:57:28] <DarkiYahu> An email containing nickname activation instructions has been sent to DarkiYahu@JesusIsGodAlmighty.Life
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• 2645[20:57:56] <jelly> Kurogane: this means your system is probably an openvz container yes
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• 2647[20:58:38] <jelly> Kurogane: (you can however install and run a detection tool like "imvirt" to confirm)
• 2648[20:59:05] <somiaj> DarkiYahu: ask #freenode
• 2649[20:59:07] <jelly> DarkiYahu: ask in #freenode
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• 2651[20:59:41] <DarkiYahu> Thanks guys
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• 2782[22:15:07] <Tenacious-Techhu> Can I get someone to test netsurf-fb under non-Desktop-Environment conditions?
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• 2789[22:18:36] <arha> /sb end
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• 2798[22:21:54] <Florian_> hi all, can somebody help me with apache2 webserver slow downloadspeed?
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• 2801[22:23:37] <Florian_> Can somebody take a look at my apache2 config? my downloadspeed over http is to slow.
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• 2803[22:24:35] <Florian_> msg dpk stretch
• 2804[22:24:49] <Florian_> hi
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• 2807[22:26:06] <Florian_> debhelper
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• 2813[22:33:21] <DarkiYahu> okay...
• 2814[22:33:28] <DarkiYahu> just lost all my irc channels
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• 2816[22:33:30] <Florian_> hi
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• 2819[22:33:48] <Florian_> hi i need some help in apache2 where have i to go?
• 2820[22:33:56] <Florian_> i dont know the right channel
• 2821[22:34:01] <nkuttler> Florian_: #httpd
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• 2823[22:34:07] <Florian_> thank you very much
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• 2825[22:34:18] <nkuttler> Florian_: see also /msg alis help list
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• 2852[22:46:52] <kamura> hi folks
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• 2854[22:46:55] <Kurogane> What wrong with this syntaxis " rsync -avze ssh -p 1243 user@123.456.789:~/public_html/domain.com/public_html ."
• 2855[22:47:25] <kamura> I'm trying to open port 10666 in a docker image however it is failing
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• 2859[22:47:51] <kamura> is there any thing regarding debian:latest that would stop my program from using the port
• 2860[22:48:04] <Tenacious-Techhu> Well, for starters, the syntaxis business model has been completely undercut by synuber...
• 2861[22:48:13] <Javabean> there is only 3 net sections in your call, kurogane... it should be something like google's free dns server... 8.8.8.8 4 net sections
• 2862[22:49:03] <kamura> note: the issue is not exposing the port with docker but the program selecting the port in the debian container
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• 2866[22:50:27] <Kurogane> Javabean, its just a example for the ip have 4 net
• 2867[22:51:07] <Javabean> ... in that case i can't help, that is about all i know about that command off-hand
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• 2875[22:52:57] <Florian9028> i am looking for a apache2 expert on debian. can somebody help me?
• 2876[22:54:07] <kamura> I'm going to take from your non responce that there is no reason why that port shouldn't work
• 2877[22:54:32] <kamura> it's not in some obscure reserved range that I'm not aware of
• 2878[22:54:36] <petn-randall> Kurogane: It helps if you show us the actual command + error what you get instead of examples. We all don't like playing the guessing game.
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• 2882[22:56:18] <Kurogane> Ok i finally able to do it but now give me other error
• 2883[22:58:24] <petn-randall> Kurogane: ... then show us that command + error.
• 2884[22:59:37] <Kurogane> replaced-url
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• 2886[23:00:22] <Kurogane> rsync version 3.1.2 protocol version 31
• 2887[23:00:26] <somiaj> Florian9028: just ask your question, if someoen can help they most often will.
• 2888[23:00:52] <petn-randall> Kurogane: Where is the command?
• 2889[23:02:50] <Kurogane> rsync -avze "ssh -p 1243" user@123.456.789.123:/public_html/domain.com/public_html
• 2890[23:03:18] <petn-randall> Kurogane: That's an invalid ipv4 address.
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• 2893[23:03:47] <Kurogane> yep, actually i give you real IP or what?
• 2894[23:04:21] <petn-randall> Kurogane: Is the IP address the only thing you changed?
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• 2898[23:05:06] <petn-randall> Kurogane: Well, it would help if you paste the exact command here, there's not much we abuse with an IP address.
• 2899[23:05:31] <petn-randall> Kurogane: Unless you're 100% sure you only changed the IP address.
• 2900[23:05:39] <Kurogane> yes only IP
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• 2902[23:06:01] <Kurogane> ahh i forgot . in the end
• 2903[23:06:05] <Kurogane> rsync -avze "ssh -p 1243" user@123.456.789.123:/public_html/domain.com/public_html .
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• 2905[23:06:27] <petn-randall> …
• 2906[23:06:47] <Kurogane> ..?
• 2907[23:07:08] <petn-randall> Kurogane: Did you do what the error message says?
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• 2912[23:08:27] <Kurogane> rsync error: protocol incompatibility ?
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• 2915[23:09:27] <petn-randall> Kurogane: "see the rsync man page for an explanation"
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• 2936[23:18:36] <zothix> how to clock my ip ?
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• 2942[23:19:33] <rant> what's the default MATE WM? mutter?
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• 2948[23:19:44] <petn-randall> zothix: What do you mean with that?
• 2949[23:20:08] <zothix> i want to clock so that my ip wont show
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• 2954[23:22:12] <rant> zothix: I think you mean cloak which is somehing that covers something not a clock which is for telling time
• 2955[23:22:31] <zothix> rant, lol yeah ;d
• 2956[23:22:38] <zothix> So how can i get that??
• 2957[23:22:43] <rant> and cloaks are not sufficient for hding your IP as they are easy to circumvent
• 2958[23:23:03] <rant> on freenode, you register your nick then go ask in #freenode for a cloak
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• 2960[23:23:10] <petn-randall> zothix: this ^
• 2961[23:23:14] <rant> but it it will not hide your ip
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• 2965[23:24:14] <zothix> so how should i hide my ip then?
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• 2967[23:24:28] <rant> get a vpn or something
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• 2970[23:25:05] <rant> there is no real way to hide your ip just means of obfusticating it. but a vpn/vps etc is more effective than a cloak
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• 2973[23:25:41] <rant> someone always knows your IP or no traffic reaches you :P
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• 2975[23:26:18] <petn-randall> zothix: If you want to hide your IP, pull the plug.
• 2976[23:26:36] <petn-randall> zothix: Not really related to Debian though.
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• 2978[23:27:26] <zothix> how to increase Dpi in Debian > Cinnamon
• 2979[23:27:39] <zothix> anyway ill get Tor
• 2980[23:27:44] <zothix> for clocking
• 2981[23:27:45] <zothix> thanks
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• 2986[23:29:41] <rant> zothix: not certain in cinnamon I use mate but they're somewhat similar both gnomeish.. in mate you goto System > Preferences > Look And Feel > Appearance and goto the fonts tab and hit the details button and you'll see a dpi setting\
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• 2993[23:31:48] <rant> which is pretty much the only reliable way to increase size of ALL fons in any GUI context
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• 2995[23:32:04] <somiaj> rant: there is no longer a dpi setting, xorg kinda sticks everything to 96 dpi. There is usually a scale factor for font size though.
• 2996[23:32:27] <somiaj> otherwise, yes, there is some text size, or text scale option you can use to increase the size of the text
• 2997[23:32:40] <rant> I just upgraded my father to stretch, and I know for a fact the method I just said works
• 2998[23:33:17] <pfred1> rant it sounds like a stretch to me
• 2999[23:33:28] <rant> pfred1: heh
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• 3001[23:33:53] <pfred1> I put a video card into my system and blew my stretch install up
• 3002[23:33:59] <somiaj> rant: it still says dpi, back in jessie even window managers got mad if you used a differetn dpi than 96.
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• 3004[23:34:18] <rant> there may not be a true dpi setting in the server but it says dpi in the GUI and it does essentially the same thing
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• 3007[23:34:45] <rant> right now I'm trying to figure out what the default mate wm is so I can install it
• 3008[23:34:55] <pfred1> you can see the real DPI you're using in your xorg.log
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• 3010[23:35:34] <rant> I think its mutter but idk for sure
• 3011[23:35:36] <pfred1> xorg.0.log even?
• 3012[23:35:51] <rant> xdpyinfo
• 3013[23:36:10] <pfred1> that may or may not tell yo uwhat X is really using
• 3014[23:36:49] <pfred1> I
• 3015[23:36:54] <rant> xdpyinfo|grep resolution:
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• 3017[23:37:00] <pfred1> I'dsay if X is logging it then it must be true
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• 3019[23:37:38] <somiaj> I just caved, to of the font stuff seems to expect a hardcoded 96 dpi, as such at one time I had to reset all my custom settings in .Xdefaults to use 96 dpi, and then just change my font point size.
• 3020[23:38:02] <jhutchins> True DPI depends on the actual physical size of your screen, which isn't always supplied to the system by your monitor.
• 3021[23:38:05] <rant> problem with that is there are all differen contexts for font sizes
• 3022[23:38:06] <pfred1> LCD monitors aren't square though
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• 3024[23:38:28] <rant> where adjusting dpi changes it no matter what context
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• 3026[23:38:35] <pfred1> I miss 4:3 aspect ratio
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• 3028[23:38:51] <rant> I have a 5:4 and 16:9 display on here
• 3029[23:39:05] <pfred1> I'm using a 16:10 right now
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• 3031[23:39:19] <pfred1> 16:9 is rough
• 3032[23:39:39] <rant> I got the 24in hdmi tv at 1280x720 and the 17in vga monitor at 1024x768
• 3033[23:39:44] <somiaj> I just recall even with fvwm, not using 96dpi as the default setting made to many things not render correctly. I'm seeing various google hits about similar issues, but not a single well written answer.
• 3034[23:39:55] <rant> I usually just use the 17in for video playback
• 3035[23:39:59] <pfred1> 768 is not a whole lot of lines
• 3036[23:40:15] <pfred1> yeah HD is what ruined PCs
• 3037[23:40:35] <rant> and I left the 24in at 720p cause I already had a buncha settings configured to deal with windows on a 720p screen
• 3038[23:41:13] <rant> got a buncha sawfish bindings for making windows 1/3, 2/3, 1/2 etc a 1280x720 screen and such
• 3039[23:41:42] <pfred1> I'm at 1920x1200
• 3040[23:41:59] <pfred1> stuff is a bit smallish
• 3041[23:42:02] <rant> thats fine if you're gonna sit within 6ft or less of the screen :P
• 3042[23:42:11] <somiaj> speaking of which, can't decide between a 1080p 24 inch moinitor or a 27in 4k monintor at work...
• 3043[23:42:11] <rant> or use binoculars :P
• 3044[23:42:32] <pfred1> at a distance I'd have to use binos yes
• 3045[23:42:34] <somiaj> Or get a bigger moinitor, though mine is sometimes to big.
• 3046[23:42:43] <rant> I'm closer to 8ft away most of the time
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• 3048[23:42:52] <pfred1> this one's only a 24" I have a 32" upstairs
• 3049[23:43:22] <rant> 24in is a good size for a monitor.. big enough but not too big to use multiple heads
• 3050[23:43:37] <pfred1> yeah I have a little 1280x1024 next to it
• 3051[23:43:43] <pfred1> for the overflow windows
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• 3053[23:44:10] <rant> I mostly just use my other screen for netflix or vlc so I can watch something while I do oher stuff
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• 3055[23:44:13] <pfred1> I need to setup panning on it though
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• 3057[23:44:36] <pfred1> because i have a dead spot between the two
• 3058[23:44:49] <rant> wish this machine did hdmi audio so I could use my tv remote for volume
• 3059[23:45:20] <pfred1> I have a volume knob on my center speaker
• 3060[23:45:32] <pfred1> it's within reach
• 3061[23:45:40] <rant> yeah I got a knob.. just dont want to have to walk over to the tv to change it :P
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• 3063[23:45:51] <rant> and I often have my panels covered by stuff
• 3064[23:45:58] <pfred1> I'm sitting right here so no walking
• 3065[23:46:25] <pfred1> plus in mplayer volume is / and *
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• 3069[23:47:31] <pfred1> I still can't believe Microsoft bought Github
• 3070[23:48:03] <pfred1> where will I git my software from?
• 3071[23:48:19] <rant> I been using a refurbed HP t520 thin client.. makes a wonderful debian workstation/media center.. I highly recommend em.. AMD G-Series SoC Dual 1.2ghz w/ Radeon R2E graphics (32M-1GB dedicated vram) w/ 8GB m.2 SSD & 4G ram.. has 4 USB2(rear) 2 USB3(front) lan, dual displayport+vga can run up to two displays (with amd firmware installed), and has a mini pcie to add wifi/bluetooth
• 3072[23:48:49] <rant> can get em around $200 give or take online.. they work really well on debian
• 3073[23:48:50] <apls714> Is it confirmed that MS buying GitHub or this is only a consideration?
• 3074[23:48:59] <pfred1> replaced-url
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• 3076[23:49:23] <pfred1> they are yet to announce but it sounds like a done deal to me
• 3077[23:49:32] <apls714> yup... yeah :/
• 3078[23:49:56] <pfred1> can't lose 66 million a year and stay in business forever I guess
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• 3080[23:50:11] <rant> idk in some ways thats a good thing.. microsoft buyin up crap like system internals, skype, github..etc means they're learning and growing more toward FOSS style coding rather than being retarded code monkeys who make total trash
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• 3082[23:50:41] <rant> maybe someday they'll make a nother go at POSIX complaince
• 3083[23:50:54] <pfred1> that's more than Linux is
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• 3087[23:51:33] <apls714> Looking at how things turned out for Nokia... it's troublesome.
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• 3089[23:51:42] <adomv> hi. need help my fans getting high than usually
• 3090[23:51:50] <rant> I mean they did do that WinPE and Win10IOT thing which was almost like a FOSS windows version
• 3091[23:52:13] <pfred1> win idiot?
• 3092[23:52:23] <petn-randall> !ot
• 3093[23:52:23] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 3094[23:52:28] <rant> adomv: your system is probably hot
• 3095[23:52:44] <adomv> rant: and what does it mean? can i fix it? diagnoise something?
• 3096[23:52:46] <rant> happens when you use a lot of GPU especially
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• 3098[23:53:06] <adomv> i removed bumblebee lately
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• 3100[23:53:36] <rant> adomv: sure, but you gotta consider the load its under, all the hw that can generate heat, the GPU, CPU, HDD, RAM, etc, your case situation where cables and fans are..vents, etc..
• 3101[23:53:47] <rant> how old the machine is..
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• 3104[23:54:21] <rant> at about 10 years especially on things like laptops I rip em all apart and wash the heatsinks with hot water, put all new thermal paste and new fans in..
• 3105[23:54:24] <adomv> rant: a long time but it didnt happen like this before ;(
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• 3109[23:55:11] <rant> thermal paste dries out and conducts less, fans wear.. but so far from what I heard that removing bumblebee might be the cause for you
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• 3111[23:55:39] <rant> cause idk much about it but IIRC bumblebee is the component that allows those hybrid GPU to be hybrid.. which allows em to reduce power/heat
• 3112[23:55:52] <rant> now you're probably using the GPU full time
• 3113[23:56:05] <rant> and those suckers generate a lot of heat when they're workin hard
• 3114[23:56:14] <adomv> how can i use gpu if i dont have driver?
• 3115[23:56:46] <rant> GDI as windows would call it.. heh.. Generic Driver Interface
• 3116[23:57:02] <expert975> When I copy a disk partition to a file using dd I can mount it fine, but when I copy a whole disk containing partitions I can't mount it. Is there a proper way to do this?
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• 3119[23:57:40] <adomv> rant: i want to install this: replaced-url
• 3120[23:57:46] <adomv> i only have one GPU :(
• 3121[23:58:10] <rant> expert975: not that I know of but if I had to guess how to do it, I'd need linux to see that file as a disk with partitions so I'd need to involve a mapper or some kind
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• 3124[23:58:41] <adomv> how can i install it then ?
• 3125[23:58:45] <rant> mount doesnt do mapping of partitions, it only handles filesystems
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• 3127[23:59:33] <expert975> rant: interesintg... I'll try linking the disk file to the /dev/ folder :D :D
• 3128[23:59:37] <rant> adomv: I have no idea.. I personally wouldnt go anywhere near that Optimus stuff.. I always liked nvidia but that stuff sounds too damn complicated for me
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• 3130[23:59:42] <Kelsar> adomv: is it a desktop?
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