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• 5[00:02:20] <ikanobori> zW: If I take the wildest of guesses in the history of wild guesses you have a PHP application that is doing its own sessions and storing them in a directory which is on the NFS and it's trying to acquire locks.
• 6[00:02:24] <ikanobori> But... wild guess.
• 7[00:02:47] <Tenkawa> whats happening?
• 8[00:03:11] * Tenkawa walked into this one with no info
• 9[00:03:27] <Tenkawa> but it sounds intriguing
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• 12[00:03:50] <ikanobori> Oh someone saw their apache that's serving some php on nfs spending a load of time in epoll_wait.
• 13[00:04:05] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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• 15[00:04:20] <Tenkawa> yeah nfs is not apache friendly without some tuning
• 16[00:04:41] <ikanobori> It's also not very friendly to applications that store stuff on the filesystem while ignoring it might be networked.
• 17[00:04:46] <ikanobori> Especially if those try to acquire locks.
• 18[00:04:48] <Tenkawa> yep
• 19[00:05:20] <Tenkawa> even worse with dbs
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• 41[00:15:38] <c-c> Anyone else have funny stuff happening when dual screen + full screen video in one screen? For me the other screens buffer seems to go back and forth in history. Happens with both in-browser fullscreen video and VLC. Doesn't happen with mkv player.
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• 55[00:28:11] <touchiz> Hi
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• 57[00:28:32] <touchiz> i have a question, it's possible to download a file via PuTTY ?
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• 59[00:28:46] <touchiz> directly on my computer
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• 61[00:29:53] <careta> I had to upgrade some packages to testing on my server, but now I want to downgrade them back to stable. what's an easy way to do that?
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• 70[00:31:27] <touchiz> apt-get remove package && apt-get autoremove && apt-get install package
• 71[00:31:32] <touchiz> careta
• 72[00:31:34] <touchiz> :p
• 73[00:31:58] <Kelsar> touchiz: use something like filezilla or winscp via sftp or scp
• 74[00:32:05] <careta> touchiz, I don't want to do it package by package, there are lots of them, pulled automatically by aptitude
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• 80[00:34:35] <touchiz> Kelsar , yes i now this, but i want to know if it's possible to dl directly via putty, This is to avoid opening 2 programs.
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• 100[00:47:46] <Zathras> Hi. I am looking for a python module already in Debian to create & write docx (MS Word) files. Any pointers?
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• 109[00:52:04] <Nautilus> does the channel have a preferred paste site? Have questions about sources.list
• 110[00:52:18] <Unit193> LIkely paste.debian.net
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• 117[00:55:16] <Nautilus> paste.debian.net/1027356 ... there's how my sources.list looks now, but I need to add something like ppa:ondrej/php - I'm not sure how to do that or if I have too much stuff in sources.list
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• 121[00:55:51] <c-c> Nautilus: some like to use synaptic
• 122[00:55:53] <Zathras> Nautilus, ppa is Ubuntu specific
• 123[00:56:09] <c-c> yes you can't use ppa's with debian
• 124[00:56:12] <Nautilus> thats the kind of stuff I'm stuck on
• 125[00:56:24] <Nautilus> trying to install php7.2
• 126[00:56:42] <Zathras> why?
• 127[00:56:56] <Nautilus> becuase its part of a lamp stack?
• 128[00:57:21] <Zathras> also consider adding non-free and contrib
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• 130[00:57:32] <dondelelcaro> Nautilus: php7.2 is in testing and unstable, but not stable. Is there some reason why 7.0 won't work?
• 131[00:57:35] <Zathras> why, php7.0 is not?
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• 135[00:58:10] <dondelelcaro> Nautilus: if you really need php7.2, you can backport it, but it won't get automatic security updates
• 136[00:58:22] <Nautilus> oh 7.0 still preferred? Will do that then. I see I only added non-free and contrib to one line... put it on all?
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• 138[00:58:55] <c-c> You could also just install 7.2 from testing
• 139[00:58:57] <dondelelcaro> Nautilus: you can just install php, and that'll install whatever the default version of php is currently
• 140[00:58:59] <Nautilus> <- looking for stable version, was under the impression 7.2 was
• 141[00:59:05] <c-c> well, you could try
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• 143[00:59:27] <Nautilus> so would this do?: apt install php php-mysql ?
• 144[00:59:31] <c-c> OR, you could make it into a .deb, and use dpkg to install that deb
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• 146[00:59:55] <dondelelcaro> c-c: you can't directly install the version from testing without partially upgrading to testing
• 147[01:00:09] <dondelelcaro> (you'll have to at least upgrade libc6, and probably a bunch of other libraries too)
• 148[01:00:10] <c-c> I do not agree, dondelelcaro
• 149[01:00:29] <c-c> To install packages from testing, you need to add testing repos to your sources.list, and specify testing target (apt-get install -t or similar)
• 150[01:00:41] <Zathras> c-c, not the best advice imho, unless you know what you are doing as you are bringing the system in an unsupported/tested state
• 151[01:00:44] <dondelelcaro> c-c: yes, and if you do that, you'll end up with a libc6 from testing too.
• 152[01:00:51] <c-c> To compile a package into a .deb, well you could google that.
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• 154[01:01:07] <Zathras> apt-get install fubar
• 155[01:01:13] <dondelelcaro> c-c: because php7.2-cgi depends on libc6 >= 2.27, which is only in testing.
• 156[01:01:15] <c-c> The real problem here would probably be Apache and other dependencies.
• 157[01:01:16] <Nautilus> keeping it simple, this should get me 7.0?: apt install php php-mysql
• 158[01:01:23] <dondelelcaro> Nautilus: yes.
• 159[01:01:33] <c-c> Nautilus: yes sounds like a nice simple idea
• 160[01:01:51] <c-c> Nautilus: supposedly you have installed Apache and plan to use it...
• 161[01:02:02] <dondelelcaro> you don't have to have apache installed to use php...
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• 163[01:02:25] <Nautilus> apache is next...
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• 166[01:03:51] <c-c> well traditionally php is an Apache module
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• 168[01:04:36] <Nautilus> php7.0 is installed. so now "apt install apache2 libapache2-mod-php7.0" ?
• 169[01:04:55] <dondelelcaro> Nautilus: just libapache2-mod-php
• 170[01:05:03] <Nautilus> gotcha
• 171[01:05:17] <dondelelcaro> (assuming you want the mod_php install; sometimes fcgi or cgi is the right way, depending on what you're doing)
• 172[01:05:35] <c-c> apache2-utils and -doc may be useful
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• 174[01:06:32] <Nautilus> yay, lamp stack done!
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• 177[01:07:06] <c-c> well you may need to look into /etc/apache2/ once or twice...
• 178[01:07:24] <Nautilus> not sure about fcgi or cgi, I think mod_php is what I've done in the past. Local dev box
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• 180[01:08:07] <Nautilus> i have the default apache page on localhost, do need to setup a virtual host but that's more familiar to me... I only setup a new lamp stack every couple years
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• 183[01:09:13] <c-c> Nautilus: did you create a phpinfo -page to see if php works?
• 184[01:10:05] <Nautilus> next step :)
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• 187[01:11:08] <Nautilus> thanks guys!
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• 211[01:28:08] <shakes808> Hello everyone. I installed Debian Stretch on a Toshiba laptop and when shutting down, it just hangs. I looked in `/var/log/syslog` but didn't see anything there. Where else should I look?
• 212[01:29:14] <c-c> shakes808: can you try: $ sudo ls /var/log/sysl*
• 213[01:30:19] <shakes808> c-c: syslog and syslog.1
• 214[01:30:37] <c-c> shakes808: so, how about reading syslog.1
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• 216[01:31:07] <c-c> shakes808: f.ex. scroll down with pagedown when $ sudo more /var/log/syslog.1
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• 220[01:31:40] <c-c> uh, sorry, more doesn't support pagedown, its space
• 221[01:32:05] <c-c> shakes808: anyway you may be able to find errors on the last lines
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• 232[01:37:38] <shakes808> c-c: no errors that i see. there is, however, apachectl .. Could not reliably determine the server's qualified domain name...
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• 234[01:37:48] <shakes808> 127.0.1.1
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• 237[01:39:07] <shakes808> c-c but that was 30 mins ago and i restarted the lappy 4x since then and nothing
• 238[01:39:23] <shakes808> and hung up each time
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• 241[01:41:10] <kline> is replaced-url
• 242[01:43:12] <c-c> shakes808: well syslog -files have timestamps - just look for the timestamp of your last failed shutdown
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• 244[01:43:25] <c-c> shakes808: not sure what you mean by "it just hangs"
• 245[01:44:10] <c-c> kline: I thought flash players are being deprecated and are security threat
• 246[01:44:21] <kline> c-c, yes, but i still require it
• 247[01:44:23] <kline> sadly
• 248[01:45:17] <c-c> kline: pepperflash is in the nonfree I believe. To use it, you may need to configure your browser/install NPAPI adapter
• 249[01:45:50] <shakes808> c-c: it just sits on the black screen and never turns off
• 250[01:46:08] <kline> yes, i have non-free enabled in my sources list, and i have the adapter, but it appears that the repo doesnt actually have the pepperflash package the wiki document explains
• 251[01:46:40] <c-c> kline: yes, maybe its no longer in the debian 9 non-free repos, but you will need to get if from Adobe directly
• 252[01:46:42] <kline> as in, the document says to get pepperflash and the adapter, but i cant apt install it, and the packages site has it listed for every release except stretch
• 253[01:47:16] <c-c> replaced-url
• 254[01:47:44] <kline> ah, so the pepperflash wiki page is actually wrong
• 255[01:47:57] <kline> (and should redirect to here or repeat this info)
• 256[01:48:00] <c-c> old, probably
• 257[01:48:13] <kline> ace, thanks, this looks like it'll sort me out :)
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• 260[01:49:06] <c-c> np, flashplayer has probably simply been deprecated due to end-of-life + secu holes
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• 264[01:49:27] <kline> yes, im aware, but i still actually require it for Legacy(TM) reasons
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• 267[01:49:35] <kline> which is frustrating but a fact of life
• 268[01:50:12] <kline> the pepperflash package does still appear in buster and jessie, it appears, though
• 269[01:51:10] <c-c> shakes808: can you test what happens if you do: $ shutdown
• 270[01:51:11] <KNERD> Anyone know where I can find the DVD ISO firmware for version 8?
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• 272[01:52:07] <Zathras> firmware?
• 273[01:52:09] <KNERD> Here is a link for th version 9, but having trouble finding for version 8 replaced-url
• 274[01:52:10] <c-c> KNERD: is it this? replaced-url
• 275[01:52:24] <KNERD> c-c: that has version 9
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• 277[01:52:42] <c-c> KNERD: see under "archive" dir
• 278[01:52:53] <c-c> KNERD: have a good one!
• 279[01:53:13] <KNERD> Yes, that is it! Thanks c-c:
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• 287[01:57:37] <shakes808> c-c: broadcasts 2x that it is shutting down. `pts/0` and the fan / hd starts up
• 288[01:58:15] <shakes808> c-c: been like this for ~ 4 - 5 mins
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• 295[02:00:44] <c-c> shakes808: so it doesn't power down?
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• 298[02:01:19] <shakes808> c-c: nope, it's still on.
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• 300[02:01:47] <shakes808> c-c: the only way is to hold down the power button
• 301[02:02:05] <c-c> shakes808: I wonder if you have the sufficient permissions to power down, first?
• 302[02:02:49] <shakes808> my account is a sudoer. i had to run `sudo shutdown`
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• 304[02:03:22] <c-c> well now that you tried, do you see errors for this time in syslog?
• 305[02:03:31] <LtL> shakes808: try `shutdown -h now`
• 306[02:03:53] <shakes808> let me force shutdown and start it back up
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• 309[02:04:33] <shakes808> LtL: i will try after looking in the log
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• 313[02:05:42] <shakes808> c-c: LtL: but first, let me put my baby to bed. brb
• 314[02:05:45] <c-c> LtL: I believe -h is the default. now means theres no delay
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• 316[02:06:22] <LtL> c-c: my old habit i guess.
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• 318[02:07:28] <c-c> LtL: saves you 30 secs? Or was it a minute!
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• 320[02:08:18] * c-c only powers down 5 times a year so I forget what the delay is
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• 324[02:09:53] <LtL> c-c: it shuts down immediately with 'now' i never tried it without the parameters
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• 326[02:12:30] <LtL> c-c: funny thing is on two stretch machines i don't need root to use shutdown cli, on v8 i did iirc
• 327[02:13:37] <c-c> LtL: you can add commands to users entry in sudoers -file
• 328[02:14:16] <LtL> c-c: i know, but i never did.
• 329[02:15:12] <c-c> LtL: you setup your /usr/bin so that your user had ... hmm
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• 331[02:16:39] <LtL> c-c: well... lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Mar 23 07:55 /sbin/shutdown -> /bin/systemctl -may explain it, but it puzzles me.
• 332[02:17:21] <c-c> so, every user had been chmodded to exec that
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• 334[02:17:42] <LtL> If i added a user, i doubt they could shutdown
• 335[02:17:56] <c-c> they could exec that command
• 336[02:18:18] <c-c> what that would actually do, I can't tell
• 337[02:18:45] <c-c> oh, I also have that
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• 339[02:18:58] <c-c> LtL: I guess thats in every debian
• 340[02:19:52] <LtL> c-c: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 171K Mar 23 07:55 /bin/systemctl
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• 344[02:20:46] <c-c> LtL: yep, looks the same for me
• 345[02:21:01] <LtL> so maybe a new user 'could' shutdown, dunno
• 346[02:21:20] <c-c> then again, /sbin isn't in PATH
• 347[02:23:06] <c-c> well, should make a new user and see if thats actually so that they can shutdown
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• 351[02:27:48] <kill0rmachine> hello, is there a way to change screenres for the virtual consle (tty1 - tty6)? i added GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x720 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1280x720 to grub config, and it changes the resolution on boot and in lightdm, but at some point of boot the tty resolution changes to 1920x1080
• 352[02:28:51] <kill0rmachine> i need 1280x720 evrywhere
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• 356[02:32:52] <c-c> LtL: for what its worth a new user cannot by default run that, I guess sudoers are, only
• 357[02:34:11] <c-c> LtL: but, new user can run $ /sbin/shutdown - I didn't wait to see if that actually powers the system down - and would that be a kind of exploit
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• 368[02:40:32] <kill0rmachine> my only display/tv has a 90x60 overscan in every supported resolution and no buildin option to fix that so i have to use intel_panel_fitter but when the resolution suddenly changes the output looks like a steroscopic 3d output made of stripes
• 369[02:41:20] <LtL> c-c: well, i do have /sbin/ in my path. replaced-url
• 370[02:41:45] <siraben> Is there a way to encrypt my home folder post Debian installation?
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• 374[02:43:51] <c-c> LtL: wow, I don't
• 375[02:44:16] <LtL> c-c: i put it there.
• 376[02:44:26] <c-c> I see
• 377[02:45:07] <c-c> I'm now wondering how to prevent users from shutting down, the right way?
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• 379[02:49:27] <kill0rmachine> thought luks encrypts filesystems not folders ...
• 380[02:49:58] <shakes808> c-c: I don't see any errors in the syslog.
• 381[02:49:59] <shakes808> c-c LtL any other suggestions?
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• 385[02:51:06] <c-c> shakes808: google with your laptop model and "debian not powerdown"
• 386[02:51:22] <c-c> shakes808: which Toshiba is it?
• 387[02:51:34] <LtL> shakes808: my toshiba shuts down perfectly, so i have no ideas.
• 388[02:51:46] <kill0rmachine> or pull the power cable :D
• 389[02:51:52] <shakes808> c-c LtL Toshiba Satellite C55-B5353
• 390[02:53:00] <c-c> shakes808: did you look in the BIOS if everything is "normal"
• 391[02:53:32] <shakes808> c-c: i didn't see anything abnormal when I was in there last. I'll try again
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• 395[02:55:30] <siraben> kill0rmachine: So how could I encrypt my filesystem post installation?
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• 397[02:56:20] <c-c> siraben: you can tar into encrypted password protected packages, that is closest
• 398[02:56:43] <siraben> If need be, I can reinstall from my backup
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• 401[02:57:13] <kill0rmachine> u need some sort of separate partion/logical volume for home
• 402[02:57:24] <siraben> I'm currently using Déjà Dup to backup my files
• 403[02:57:36] <shakes808> c-c: LtL Boot Mode is currently CSM. Should I switch it to UEFI?
• 404[02:57:45] <shakes808> not sure if that is going to solve my power down issue
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• 406[02:58:10] <c-c> I don't think so
• 407[02:58:31] <c-c> shakes808: I think you might try adding /etc/default/halt file
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• 409[02:59:04] <shakes808> c-c: Dynamic CPU Frequency Mode is set to Dynamic Switch. Other option is Always Low. That shouldn't matter
• 410[02:59:07] <c-c> shakes808: also, something with ACPI enabled/disabled
• 411[02:59:28] <shakes808> c-c: What is ACPI?
• 412[03:00:27] <LtL> shakes808: Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
• 413[03:00:33] <shakes808> c-c: Intel Turbo Boost is Enabled
• 414[03:00:34] <shakes808> SATA Interface setting is Performance. Other option is Batter Life
• 415[03:00:52] <c-c> ok stop listing those, probably unrelated
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• 418[03:02:02] <c-c> shakes808: I wonder if you already have something in /etc/default/halt
• 419[03:02:16] <shakes808> loading up the OS now
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• 426[03:14:29] <peterrooney> I am trying to connect with an intel wireless interface; I have installed firmware-iwlwifi and loaded modules iwlegacy and iw3495. The device is seen in lsusb, but does /not/ appear in output of "ip link". What should I attempt next?
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• 428[03:15:54] <c-c> peterrooney: easy one is first looking at capabilities/conf under $ lshw
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• 430[03:16:18] <c-c> logical name, too
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• 432[03:17:12] <shakes808> c-c: sorry for the late response, baby isn't cooperating; do they ever :-/ I don't have a `/etc/default/halt` file.
• 433[03:17:29] <c-c> shakes808: good
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• 438[03:20:38] <c-c> peterrooney: anyway once you have those lines, see if you can find iw* with $ lsmod
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• 441[03:22:04] <c-c> heh maybe just $ lsmod | grep iw*
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• 454[03:29:13] <peterrooney> c-c Thank you. Turns out it's even worse than I thought. The intel device shown by lsusb is actually the bluetooth; lsmod | grep iw shows both iwlegacy and iwl3945 loaded. How can I find and get my device going again?
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• 457[03:29:57] <c-c> peterrooney: well first of all I would do apt update & upgrade
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• 459[03:30:29] <c-c> peterrooney: then I would check the iwl modules loaded are actually for your particular usb wlan stick
• 460[03:30:57] <c-c> peterrooney: if so, third I would simply try clicking around in NetworkManager applet or try wicd
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• 462[03:32:42] <peterrooney> c-c already updated, upgraded fresh install of 9.4. wicd-client only shows the wired interface (and I can't leave the cable lying across the floor)
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• 465[03:33:24] <c-c> peterrooney: ok theres no option to add new wireless conn?
• 466[03:34:14] <graff> I would like some guidance on whether or not our project hlibc, which is a small C library could go into debian. We also have a small arbitrary precision floating point library called arbprec. replaced-url
• 467[03:34:48] <somiaj> peterrooney: does your wifi device need non-free firmware, and did you install it, 'dmesg | grep firmware' can help
• 468[03:35:19] <somiaj> oh nevermind you did, peterrooney, can you get us the chipset or pciid/usbiid of the device?
• 469[03:35:34] <graff> depending on what you guys think, I was going to file one of these "intent to package"
• 470[03:35:46] <c-c> yeah, if $ ip a lists nothing, some module/firmware may be missing ( somiaj peterrooney )
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• 472[03:36:15] <graff> the arbitrary precision library is production ready, but needs a bc or calculator implementation around it. the libc is in its feldgling stages, but stands alone and boots its own busyboc rewrite
• 473[03:36:19] <peterrooney> somiaj: moment...
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• 475[03:37:17] <somiaj> graff: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may better adress the question on if debian is intersted. Are you going to create and maintain the package yourself?
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• 477[03:37:34] <c-c> graff: I cant see the source code, hard to say
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• 479[03:37:53] <graff> c-c: it's not viewable?
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• 481[03:38:02] <graff> here replaced-url
• 482[03:38:38] <c-c> 0 loc visible
• 483[03:39:42] <c-c> I can see "builders" source
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• 485[03:40:04] <graff> those are just my silly VMs heh
• 486[03:40:17] <graff> I am trying to change some setting in gitlab now, sorry abotu this
• 487[03:40:25] <peterrooney> somiaj: I think the problem is, it's not visible at all via lshw; lsusb only shows the intel bluetooth, and lspci shows the realtek RJ-45. Didn't have this with 8.5 Currently "running" 9.4
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• 489[03:40:30] <graff> it took us a long time to get our gitlab CI set up correctly
• 490[03:40:34] <c-c> graff: ok found it
• 491[03:40:38] <graff> and we're still learning the ropes
• 492[03:40:46] <graff> ok, it's visible now?
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• 494[03:41:03] <c-c> yes
• 495[03:41:12] <somiaj> peterrooney: that is odd that it wouldn't be visable due to the newer kernel. Could you have disabled it in your bios? Or could the hardware be having issues?
• 496[03:42:27] <c-c> that sounds like missing firmware/module
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• 498[03:42:33] <somiaj> peterrooney: You could try a jessie installer, and check if it is at least visable to the os via lspci or lsusb (depending on what bus it is on).
• 499[03:42:35] <peterrooney> somiaj: only way to be sure is to dig out the old installer.
• 500[03:42:57] <somiaj> c-c: shouldn't it be seen on the appropriate bus even without the module/firmware, usually that is the case.
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• 502[03:43:04] <c-c> also, since it is usb... sometimes simply re-plugging in different usb slot helps
• 503[03:43:21] <somiaj> peterrooney: ahh it is usb, maybe try a different usb port.
• 504[03:43:42] <c-c> also it can "fall asleep" etc
• 505[03:44:05] <peterrooney> i realize that it might not even /be/ on the USB bus, it was a guess since a few of the intel 39xx onboards were connected via USB.
• 506[03:44:44] <peterrooney> somiaj: digging out the old installer now.
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• 508[03:46:23] <c-c> peterrooney: soo, can you pastebin $ lshw -class network && lsusb
• 509[03:46:46] <c-c> or, maybe go the installer route, whichever
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• 523[03:59:19] <peterrooney> c-c: and it is PCI.
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• 543[04:05:34] <peterrooney> THERE IT IS. Once I entered in the revealed wireless device name into wicd, everything seems to work.
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• 545[04:07:05] <peterrooney> What is puzzling is why wicd didn't fill it in automatically like it did the wired interface.
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• 574[04:18:40] <berndj> what happened to liblwp-useragent-perl? did it get replaced by the -chicaching package? i can't find any trace of the former on the interwebs
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• 580[04:23:47] <berndj> oh. maybe because that apt-get install in the bash history didn't succeed
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• 588[04:29:30] <graff> any more thoughts? Should I go ahead and file an intent to package?
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• 679[05:23:56] <awal1> any solution for replaced-url
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• 681[05:26:27] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 687[05:31:30] <c-c> awal1: any solution for the fact that proprietary products are part of your daily toolkit and you actually have no control of such products?
• 688[05:31:38] <c-c> no, no solution for that
• 689[05:32:03] <c-c> awal1: maybe you could invent anonymous & free google-style search engine?
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• 691[05:32:42] <awal1> c-c, well, I usually use ff but sometimes I use chromium for x reasons
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• 693[05:33:11] <awal1> c-c, I am planing to fork the whole google products, even the search engine itself :P
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• 704[05:42:46] <awal1> ff always slow
• 705[05:43:12] <awal1> with fresh profil all fine, but after a few days it become slow again
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• 742[06:16:00] <Guest89890> hi i have a problem with launching tor-brawser . the launcher wont work i must go to "~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US] and then "./start-tor-browser.desktop " any sollution please ?
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• 746[06:18:07] <somiaj> Guest89890: how are you trying to launch it normally?
• 747[06:18:25] <Guest89890> somiaj, from the icon
• 748[06:18:34] <Guest89890> but wont ever work
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• 750[06:18:39] <somiaj> And what does your icon actually launch?
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• 752[06:19:17] <somiaj> as in what command is it actually running
• 753[06:19:17] <thatpythonguy> are y'all getting this message?
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• 755[06:20:45] <thatpythonguy> hello?
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• 757[06:21:37] <Guest89890> the icon bring the tor-browser window with message "tor unexpecedly exited .......
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• 760[06:22:47] <Guest89890> on alacarte i did check the command and it is "torbrowser-launcher %u"
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• 762[06:22:56] <somiaj> Guest89890: figure out what exact command the icon is actually running is the first step.
• 763[06:23:09] <somiaj> okay, now run 'which torbrowser-launcher'
• 764[06:24:33] <Guest89890> "/usr/local/bin/torbrowser-launcher
• 765[06:24:33] <Guest89890> "
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• 767[06:25:13] <somiaj> Guest89890: well the command you are running from the icon is different than the one you are running by hand. It could be that the script / whatever you are using to run it that works is doing something different.
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• 771[06:25:45] <Guest89890> somiaj, ok so how can i fix it ?
• 772[06:25:59] <somiaj> Guest89890: if you type this command from your terminal, does tor browser launch normally. '~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop'
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• 777[06:26:22] <somiaj> Guest89890: My thought is update your icon to run the command that works.
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• 781[06:26:41] <Guest89890> ~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop
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• 783[06:26:55] <somiaj> Guest89890: I don't really know tor browser that well, and that appears to be a locally installed package, so you may have to update your icon to make it work.
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• 786[06:27:46] <Guest89890> "/usr/bin/env: ‘./Browser/execdesktop’: No such file or directory
• 787[06:27:46] <Guest89890> "
• 788[06:28:31] <somiaj> Guest89890: the other option is write a small bash script, that does what you do manually, 'cd <whatever>' then runs the program that works.
• 789[06:29:08] <somiaj> sounds like something is setup funny on your system, and I'm not sure what, but if you have a way that works, just write a small script, put it in $HOME/bin/, and go from there.
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• 792[06:29:57] <Guest89890> i have to cd to ~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/ " then " " ./start-tor-browser.desktop " that is the only way it works :( and wright a script ? i am afraid is not in my range :)
• 793[06:30:19] <somiaj> Guest89890: your script will have two lines, cd ~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/, then ./start-tor-browser.desktop
• 794[06:30:31] <somiaj> Guest89890: This just keeps you from typing the two lines in manually.
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• 797[06:31:43] <Guest89890> somiaj, iv never did that dont know even how to start :P
• 798[06:32:34] <somiaj> Guest89890: Open up a text file using your favirote text editor. call it mytorbrowser.sh, put three lines in it, first line is #!/bin/bash, second is the cd command, thrid line is the ./ luancher command, done.
• 799[06:33:09] <somiaj> Guest89890: I would put it in $HOME/bin, if you don't have that directory, create it with mkdir or your filemanager
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• 801[06:35:04] <annadane> in other words, ./program, so ./tor-browser, or whatever it's called in the directory you cd'd to
• 802[06:35:15] <annadane> find directory contents with ls
• 803[06:35:31] <Guest89890> sudo mkdir /home/bin
• 804[06:35:34] <Guest89890> ?
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• 806[06:35:52] <annadane> you don't need to be root to make directories in your home directory
• 807[06:35:57] <somiaj> Guest89890: not /home/bin, $HOME/bin where $HOME is the same as ~, is your home directory
• 808[06:36:07] <annadane> also that ^
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• 811[06:37:10] <Guest89890> sudo mkdir $HOME/bin
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• 813[06:38:30] <Guest89890> sudo gedit mytorbrowser ?
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• 816[06:39:08] <Guest89890> sudo gedit mytorbrowser.sh ?
• 817[06:40:52] <Guest89890> #!/bin/bash
• 818[06:40:52] <Guest89890> cd ~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser_en-US/
• 819[06:40:52] <Guest89890> ./start-tor-browser.desktop
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• 823[06:43:07] <somiaj> Guest89890: correct, all that does is it runs the two commands you have to run automatically. aslo you don't have to do this as root, just do this as your user
• 824[06:44:39] <Guest89890> somiaj, sudo cp mytorbrowser.sh $HOME/bin
• 825[06:44:56] <Guest89890> sudo chmod +x SHOME/bin/mytorbrowser
• 826[06:44:56] <Guest89890> chmod: cannot access 'SHOME/bin/mytorbrowser': No such file or directory
• 827[06:45:54] <somiaj> Guest89890: don't need to do any of this as root.
• 828[06:46:13] <Guest89890> cp: cannot create regular file '/home/mike/bin/mytorbrowser.sh': Permission denied
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• 830[06:46:41] <Guest89890> i am lost :(
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• 833[06:49:33] <Guest89890> somiaj, WORKS :) !!! ./mytorbrowser.sh
• 834[06:49:33] <Guest89890> Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'...
• 835[06:49:39] <Guest89890> \THX A LOT :)
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• 837[06:49:42] <jimm> Guest89890, what does whoami say?
• 838[06:50:04] <Guest89890> mike
• 839[06:50:08] <Guest89890> my name
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• 841[06:50:58] <jimm> ok, then normally you should be able to write into /home/mike/somewhere... but we can find out why you can't
• 842[06:51:20] <somiaj> jimm: they were running lots of things as root with sudo, most likely some permision issues due to that.
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• 844[06:51:40] <somiaj> Guest89890: Though as mentioned, you should clean that up, root doesn't need to own stuff in your users home
• 845[06:51:46] <Guest89890> jimm, i think is all ok i see that new file in my home dir now and it works fine :)
• 846[06:52:03] <jimm> oh ok, so maybe some dir got changed to be owned by root?
• 847[06:52:08] <Guest89890> somiaj, how do i clean ?
• 848[06:53:03] <Guest89890> ls
• 849[06:53:03] <Guest89890> bin Documents lmms Music Pictures Templates
• 850[06:53:03] <Guest89890> Desktop Downloads Mail mytorbrowser.sh Public Videos
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• 853[06:53:47] <Guest89890> mytorbrowser.sh is green all rest is blue on terminal
• 854[06:53:54] <Guest89890> is it correct ?
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• 857[06:56:04] <somiaj> Guest89890: ls -l (check what stuff is owned by root.root)
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• 859[06:56:49] <Guest89890> bin and mytorbrowser.sh somiaj
• 860[06:57:13] <somiaj> Guest89890: chown username.username filename for every file owned by root in your home directory
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• 862[06:57:59] <Guest89890> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 887[07:08:11] <Guest89890> somiaj, i am lost :( i deleted the two root files bin and mytor...
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• 896[07:12:17] <somiaj> Guest89890: you just needed to change their ownership, not delete them. You do to much as root.
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• 903[07:16:38] <annadane> Guest89890, slow down a bit, in general
• 904[07:16:45] <annadane> you're rushing solutions
• 905[07:17:32] <Guest89890> annadane, yes you right :) i dont feel comfortable asking for help here like a complete idiot
• 906[07:17:46] <annadane> everyone has to start somewhere
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• 908[07:18:31] <Guest89890> anyway i deleted both of them
• 909[07:18:35] <jswift> root everything is a good start towards root nothing.
• 910[07:18:38] <Guest89890> to start again
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• 912[07:19:00] <annadane> yeah in general, *don't* use the root account unless you absolutely have to
• 913[07:19:11] <annadane> that's a good way of breaking your system or introducing security flaws
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• 915[07:19:40] <Guest89890> do i have to create the $HOME/bin ? or just the mytorbrowser is enough in home/mike dir ?
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• 917[07:20:13] <Guest89890> but "mkdir" says permition denied :)
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• 919[07:21:25] <jswift> Guest89890: i think you want the PATH variable? maybe from a bashrc file? append with the directory with the torbrowser binary. or make a .desktop file pointing to your torbrowser. whereever you choose to keep it.
• 920[07:21:30] <somiaj> Guest89890: you don't have to create that directory, though the fact you can't seems something else is not fully nice on your system.
• 921[07:21:39] <somiaj> Guest89890: you can put that file wherever you want.
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• 923[07:22:39] <jswift> yes, something is most wrong there... ---777-
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• 926[07:23:20] <Guest89890> replaced-url
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• 929[07:25:07] <Guest89890> there is no way to fix the existing one
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• 931[07:25:16] <Guest89890> ?
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• 935[07:27:13] <somiaj> Guest89890: ls -ld /home/mike
• 936[07:27:34] <Guest89890> drwxr-xr-x 21 mike mike 4096 May 31 08:15 /home/mike
• 937[07:27:54] <somiaj> Guest89890: so what exact command are you running that fails?
• 938[07:28:30] <Guest89890> not a command just the launcher wont work
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• 940[07:29:30] <somiaj> didn't we already have a solution for this, just write a custom script to launch it. Now we are running in circles.
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• 945[07:32:09] <Guest89890> ok nevermind thx anyway .
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• 958[07:42:08] <jswift> Guest89890: example, right click on a kde file manager / desktop and choose 'new -> link to application'. if you deleted your bin/ directory, you will have to download it again. if this launcher doesn't work, you have some error in binary exec and need a terminal.
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• 963[07:43:07] <Guest89890> i am on mate jswift .
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• 967[07:44:35] <jswift> Guest89890: no clue. i assume it's similar.
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• 971[07:46:13] <jswift> surely thunar or some other modern file manager has a 'create .desktop launcher' function somewhere..
• 972[07:46:13] <jswift> dolphin worksforme
• 973[07:47:11] <jswift> ™
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• 1001[08:08:01] <user03> hi, i try to install in a lxc container bind9 and get the a path error, but PATH is set in /etc/login.defs replaced-url
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• 1019[08:20:13] <Haohmaru> if i'd be building a program "localy" (aka for my user only) where should it be located in the home dir?
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• 1021[08:20:35] <Haohmaru> ~/usr/ ?
• 1022[08:20:56] <Haohmaru> or ~/ directly?
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• 1028[08:23:56] <atiampela> hi
• 1029[08:24:11] <atiampela> sorry, I want to ask something about RDP to Debian with Mate Desktop
• 1030[08:24:34] <atiampela> I've got some error message when tried to connect into the DE: 'could not acquire name on session bus'
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• 1032[08:24:41] <atiampela> could someone help me with this case?
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• 1036[08:27:27] <atiampela> ping somiaj :)
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• 1038[08:27:45] <atiampela> could u please help me bro?
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• 1042[08:32:44] <babilen> Please do not highlight people who might have helped you in the past
• 1043[08:33:56] <atiampela> okay, sorry
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• 1046[08:35:25] <well_laid_lawn> Haohmaru: you can place it anywhere - you will hae to add a directory to PATH to make it availabble in the terminal
• 1047[08:37:06] <tna_agent> Are there pros or cons of using openssl vs. gpg to encrypt files?
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• 1057[08:47:42] * rant doesn't doubt that both pros and cons encrypt files :P
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• 1061[08:50:56] <siraben> Is there a package that has hieroglyphs?
• 1062[08:50:57] <siraben> I can't see 𓀃
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• 1064[08:53:42] <mz`> You miss Unicode
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• 1066[08:54:43] <rant> perhaps you mean braille, hieroglyphs are definately for people who can see
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• 1075[08:57:47] <siraben> Oh I need to download fonts-ancient-scripts from the apt repository
• 1076[08:58:20] <jelly> siraben: fonts-symbola maybe?
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• 1078[08:59:26] <jelly> ,v fonts-ancient-scripts
• 1079[08:59:27] <judd> Package: fonts-ancient-scripts on amd64 -- stretch: 2.59-1; buster: 2.60-1; sid: 2.60-1
• 1080[08:59:35] <siraben> ,v fonts-symbola
• 1081[08:59:36] <judd> Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- stretch: 2.59-1; buster: 2.60-1; sid: 2.60-1
• 1082[08:59:42] <Unit193> I have symbola and that does not display correctly.
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• 1085[09:00:19] <jelly> I can see it but I have no idea which font is responsible
• 1086[09:00:48] <siraben> brb restarting erc
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• 1091[09:02:26] <siraben> Might I need to start the entire system? 𓀃 isn't showing up on Emacs despite so in other places
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• 1101[09:06:15] <jelly> if by "entire system" you mean emacs
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• 1104[09:06:35] <nbouchin> plop
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• 1106[09:06:56] <siraben> I restarted Emacs, but not Debian.
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• 1114[09:11:04] <michael2> hi, does anyone know if `sar' can be run to give historical memory usage? I've tried `sar -r' but its output is in bytes - I'm wanting megabytes
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• 1116[09:12:09] <michael2> or if vmstat can be run in a way which uses the logs sar generates?
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• 1124[09:14:24] <nbouchin> sar -h ?
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• 1129[09:16:41] <petemc> sar -r uses kb
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• 1132[09:17:35] <siraben> Why doesn't the libreoffice package come with templates?
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• 1140[09:19:56] <blaztek> nobody uses them maybe?
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• 1145[09:21:12] <siraben> It usually comes with default templates
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• 1150[09:23:23] <Haohmaru> "rm -rf *" would erase everything in the current directory, right?
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• 1152[09:23:32] <nbouchin> Yup
• 1153[09:23:51] <pingfloyd> except hidden
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• 1160[09:25:42] <Haohmaru> and "rm -rf /somewhere/folder/" would erase everything inside "folder" but not the folder itself?
• 1161[09:26:08] <nbouchin> Haohmaru: Yes
• 1162[09:26:25] <Haohmaru> perfect, thanks
• 1163[09:26:28] <nbouchin> NOPE
• 1164[09:26:29] <nbouchin> fail
• 1165[09:26:33] <nbouchin> sorry x'D
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• 1167[09:26:37] <Haohmaru> hm?
• 1168[09:27:04] <nbouchin> it will delete the folder
• 1169[09:27:04] <jelly> Haohmaru: that will delete the directory as well
• 1170[09:27:15] <nbouchin> Yes my bad
• 1171[09:27:34] <Haohmaru> "/somewhere/folder/*" then?
• 1172[09:27:45] <michael2> that will leave hidden's
• 1173[09:27:58] <michael2> unless you set nullglob
• 1174[09:28:06] <Haohmaru> hiddens (if any) are fine
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• 1177[09:30:03] <nbouchin> Haohmaru: If you are note sure about what you are doing, add `-i` to your rm, and even more important, read the rm man.
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• 1182[09:33:21] <blaztek> maybe man bash too - the section on globbing
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• 1185[09:34:30] <nbouchin> man is certainly the most necessary command on nux systems
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• 1203[09:42:28] <user03> how can i copy a file from the host to a container?
• 1204[09:42:55] <nbouchin> Using docker or lxc ?
• 1205[09:43:07] <user03> lxc
• 1206[09:43:13] <nbouchin> For both you can use scp
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• 1208[09:44:50] <user03> then i have to install ssh in the container?
• 1209[09:45:09] <nbouchin> If not, yes, you will have to configure a ssh server on it
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• 1213[09:45:42] <nbouchin> But it may have other solutions for it, but i don't know them
• 1214[09:45:57] <user03> ok thank you
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• 1217[09:48:15] <nbouchin> user03: replaced-url
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• 1229[09:53:10] <user03> nbouchin, i am on debian 9 i don't have a command/file lxc
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• 1234[09:53:59] <nbouchin> user03: ? a command/file lxc ?
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• 1238[09:54:29] <user03> lxc
• 1239[09:54:30] <user03> -bash: lxc: command not found
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• 1245[09:55:48] <user03> oh i have lxc-execute
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• 1251[09:57:55] <nbouchin> Yes there is no lxc only command, go to private, /join #nbouchin
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• 1265[10:03:18] <AliceKelly> anyone here ever clustered debian ?
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• 1286[10:11:41] <afidegnum> hello good morning, my Terminal colour just changed to white i don't understand why, his is my bashrc replaced-url
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• 1292[10:15:28] <zophyx> is there an option to tar that will cause it to overwrite an archive file and not ask if you want to overwrite it ?
• 1293[10:15:44] <zophyx> like a force or ignore option ?
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• 1296[10:17:19] <jelly> why not just rm -f the file first
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• 1298[10:17:50] <zophyx> i mean the archive file itself, not the files that would be extracted from it
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• 1300[10:17:54] <jelly> yes
• 1301[10:18:04] <padomay> --overwrite
• 1302[10:18:44] <padomay> ooooh sorry
• 1303[10:18:47] <jelly> that deals with files that get extracted
• 1304[10:19:01] <afidegnum> any insihgt ?
• 1305[10:19:03] <padomay> yeah yeah i've read after :)
• 1306[10:20:06] <padomay> zophyx, not getting what you want to do
• 1307[10:20:21] <jelly> afidegnum: and what's this drush thing?
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• 1309[10:21:19] <afidegnum> that's for drupal shell
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• 1313[10:22:35] <jelly> do things get better if you remove that?
• 1314[10:22:50] <jelly> and open a new terminal
• 1315[10:23:08] <jelly> you have so many things that mess with colors
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• 1317[10:23:22] <zophyx> padomay, it is gzip that is the problem not tar as i asked about, my bad
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• 1321[10:24:17] <jelly> afidegnum: honestly I'd do a binary search, comment out half of those and test if that fixes things; if it does, uncomment half of what was commented and test again
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• 1323[10:25:03] <afidegnum> ok, trying
• 1324[10:25:12] <jelly> afidegnum: why do you make variables for symbolic use then later use escape codes manually again?
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• 1326[10:25:32] <jelly> why do you export those variables?
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• 1328[10:26:41] <jelly> why do you set PS1 three times?
• 1329[10:26:48] <jelly> it's a mess
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• 1331[10:28:04] <afidegnum> the color vanished initially before i added additional lines to it
• 1332[10:28:10] <afidegnum> testing to see what works
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• 1348[10:37:52] <darxmurf> yay
• 1349[10:38:47] <darxmurf> is there a way to give a compression level using tar -I pigz ?
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• 1351[10:41:27] <GNU\colossus> darxmurf, I don't know about pigz, but gzip honours an environment variable where you can feed it default options; the variable is named GZIP
• 1352[10:41:40] <GNU\colossus> maybe pigz supports it too, or has a variable of its own for that purpose
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• 1360[10:44:04] <darxmurf> GNU\colossus: apparently yep
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• 1362[10:44:22] <darxmurf> GZIP or PIGZ env variable
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• 1369[10:48:07] <jelly> darxmurf: does tar -I 'pigz -9' work?
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• 1371[10:48:52] <darxmurf> I'll try
• 1372[10:48:56] <jelly> that seems like the obvious thing to try first
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• 1374[10:49:41] <darxmurf> hum apparently yes ^^
• 1375[10:50:08] <darxmurf> damn
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• 1466[11:37:04] <irgendwer4711> hi, is there any restricted shell for Debian 9?
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• 1487[11:45:33] <iflema> irgendwer4711: restricted? sandbox?
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• 1489[11:45:48] <irgendwer4711> iflema: for users which use ssh
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• 1492[11:46:09] <irgendwer4711> iflema: I want restrict usage to change password and use of sftp
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• 1494[11:48:20] <iflema> irgendwer4711: what does the man page say about limiting users
• 1495[11:48:35] <irgendwer4711> iflema: which man page?
• 1496[11:48:56] <iflema> man ssh i guess? good start....
• 1497[11:49:18] <iflema> can you not limit authkeys to commands
• 1498[11:49:43] <irgendwer4711> iflema: no, not every user are able to use keys
• 1499[11:50:08] <irgendwer4711> iflema: e.g. windows users ;-)
• 1500[11:50:22] <iflema> make em
• 1501[11:50:25] <iflema> im not sure
• 1502[11:50:31] <iflema> anyone
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• 1505[11:51:20] <irgendwer4711> iflema: no way, they are dump and lazy. Password based login has to work.
• 1506[11:51:32] <iflema> sudo
• 1507[11:51:34] <iflema> lol
• 1508[11:51:48] <irgendwer4711> iflema: not funny
• 1509[11:52:17] <iflema> im a desktop boy... single user :P
• 1510[11:52:29] <rant> there are plenty of security mechanisms in linux.. tomoyo, selinux, apparmor.. etc
• 1511[11:53:08] <Haohmaru> i let my cat sit infront of the keyboard
• 1512[11:53:13] <Haohmaru> guardcat
• 1513[11:53:40] * cheapie sits on Haohmaru's keyboard
• 1514[11:53:40] <Haohmaru> hm, that sounded as if she asks for permission to do that
• 1515[11:54:18] <Haohmaru> but it comes with a downside, sometimes even i can't use it
• 1516[11:54:21] <irgendwer4711> rant: thats overkill.
• 1517[11:54:37] <irgendwer4711> I take a look on rssh now
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• 1571[12:21:37] <siodor> hello everyone, I've just locked myself out of a host because I've tried to change the DNS server in /etc/network/interfaces and after systemctl restart networking the ssh sessionw as gone. Fortunately I also have access to the hypervisor but even there doing systemctl restart networking won't bring the interfaces back up, only lo is left over
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• 1573[12:21:53] <siodor> only a reboot of the debian host bring back the interfaces
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• 1579[12:23:08] <siodor> This is my /etc/network/interfaces file replaced-url
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• 1587[12:26:10] <Rembo> hello everyone, how can i find when/if my computer was booted on single mode?
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• 1590[12:26:57] <siodor> darn, I forgot to add the auto eth0 line :-)
• 1591[12:27:01] <siodor> fixed my own problem
• 1592[12:27:30] <Haohmaru> eth0 sounds like old debian
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• 1597[12:30:09] <jolt> I like the old device names!
• 1598[12:30:21] <jolt> And if you upgrade, they won't change
• 1599[12:31:07] <jolt> Rembo: "runlevel"
• 1600[12:31:43] <jolt> Rembo: Ah, too see, well, no idea actually. Maybe in syslog or dmesg to see the last boots
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• 1624[12:44:50] <user03> hi, i installed in a lxc container bind9 and try to start it, but bind is not starting and don't creat the log files, where can check why bind is nt starting?
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• 1628[12:46:23] <FinalX> journalctl -xn ; systemctl status bind9 ; cat /var/log/syslog /var/log/daemon.log # usually the first places to look
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• 1632[12:46:35] <user03> it's an unprivileged container
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• 1635[12:47:14] <user03> FinalX, thank you :)
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• 1638[12:48:51] <siraben> What is the best way to convert between image formats on Debian?
• 1639[12:48:58] <siraben> e.g. HEIC to JPEG
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• 1644[12:50:24] <Haohmaru> siraben, not sure what HIEC is, but imagemagick is one candidate
• 1645[12:50:52] <Haohmaru> be warned, it's a puzzle
• 1646[12:51:15] <siraben> Oh it's an apple image format
• 1647[12:51:16] <siraben> Ugh
• 1648[12:51:25] <siraben> No it's not, sorry.
• 1649[12:51:27] <siraben> replaced-url
• 1650[12:51:40] <Haohmaru> wow, what a name ;P~
• 1651[12:51:46] <siraben> Is it proprietary?
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• 1653[12:52:27] <p0g0> The web suggests that GIMP v2 can do it.
• 1654[12:52:58] <p0g0> search up "convert HEIC to JPG linux" for links.
• 1655[12:53:07] <Haohmaru> gimp is less horror than imagemagick
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• 1657[12:53:15] <Haohmaru> so try that first
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• 1659[12:53:42] <siraben> Oof GIMP is not detecting the image format
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• 1661[12:53:51] <Haohmaru> check your version
• 1662[12:53:56] <p0g0> I see several specific tools listed from my search, you might not need GIMP or Imagemagik
• 1663[12:54:03] <p0g0> V2
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• 1666[12:54:33] <p0g0> v 2.10.2 is suggested in the link I am looking at
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• 1668[12:55:02] <siraben> HEIC has become the default on the Apple iPhones it seems, making it inconvenient for free software. I'll ask in #gnu
• 1669[12:55:38] <p0g0> replaced-url
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• 1671[12:56:07] <siraben> I don't want a SaaSS
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• 1674[12:57:02] <siraben> I have GIMP version 2.8
• 1675[12:57:07] <siraben> 2.8.18
• 1676[12:57:16] <siraben> The latest on the main stable repository
• 1677[12:57:19] <siraben> ,v gimp
• 1678[12:57:20] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u3; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.8.22-1; sid: 2.10.2-1
• 1679[12:57:38] <p0g0> sid...
• 1680[12:57:46] <p0g0> at your peril, I suppose.
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• 1682[12:58:04] <siraben> sid? Who's using that?
• 1683[12:58:09] <p0g0> me
• 1684[12:58:32] <siraben> What about the warning on debian.org "Please note that security updates for "unstable" distribution are not managed by the security team. Hence, "unstable" does not get security updates in a timely manner."
• 1685[12:58:37] <siraben> replaced-url
• 1686[12:58:57] <p0g0> siraben: did I mention "at your peril"?
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• 1691[13:00:31] <siraben> p0g0: yes...
• 1692[13:00:47] <siraben> To each their own.
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• 1695[13:03:27] <siraben> Ah so my GIMP version is too low
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• 1697[13:03:32] <siraben> So installing from Guix then
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• 1705[13:09:29] <siraben> p0g0: So unstable isn't as unstable as it sounds?
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• 1707[13:11:31] <p0g0> siraben: it has issues from time to time, I just had to build kicad v5 locally (and flog it a bit) to get it to work, as an example.
• 1708[13:12:06] <nkuttler> siraben: you shouldn't run unstable on any system you need to work
• 1709[13:12:09] <AimHere> It's not *very* unstable. I mean, you should budget for unpicking a nasty dependency conflict once or twice a year, but you'll still have a usable desktop
• 1710[13:12:10] <p0g0> But broadly, if you are comfortable sorting out bleeding edge stuff, it is not insane.
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• 1713[13:12:26] <p0g0> It is not a production version, that is true.
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• 1716[13:12:55] <siraben> Can you give an example of an issue you had most recently?
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• 1719[13:13:55] <p0g0> The kicad stuff? The Sid release I recently installed failed to produce the widgets and menu dialogs properly, and so building it from source was an option.
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• 1721[13:14:29] <siraben> is afraid at the idea of building from source
• 1722[13:14:33] <p0g0> That may have changed by the next day, given how Sid works, tho.
• 1723[13:14:50] <p0g0> siraben: you might avoid Sid then, stick with stable.
• 1724[13:15:00] <siraben> I'd really like to have Firefox 60 ESR instead of Firefox 52, though
• 1725[13:15:18] <siraben> Well that's why I opted to install another package manager on top that doesn't conflict with system ones.
• 1726[13:15:21] <p0g0> Building from source, with some experience, is often Not That Bad.
• 1727[13:15:34] <p0g0> Sometimes it is hellish too.
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• 1729[13:15:48] <siraben> It's a bit a of franken-debian, but I can just "rm -rf" the external packages if I want purity.
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• 1743[13:27:03] <Haohmaru> how do i add some location that's inside my user's home to the PATH persistently?
• 1744[13:27:27] <Haohmaru> like ~/somewhere/deep/bin
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• 1746[13:31:08] <p0g0> Haohmaru: from a console, invoke "export", you should see your current PATH listed. To add to the path, you'll invoke export again, with the new path suffixed to the old path. Search up "export linux path example" to see examples of the syntax. There are other ways to do the same thing too.
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• 1748[13:31:41] <Haohmaru> isn't that a "temporary" setting?
• 1749[13:31:54] <Haohmaru> will it remain like that after a reboot?
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• 1752[13:32:53] <Haohmaru> i found some stuff (not debian-specific) from 2011 or older, which suggest modifying ".profile"
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• 1756[13:35:55] <p0g0> Haohmaru: read up on ~./profile, ~/.bashrc, & /etc/ld.so.conf.d they are other some of the 'other ways'
• 1757[13:36:44] <Haohmaru> i'm scared when there are too many options :~(
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• 1759[13:37:10] <p0g0> Linux might terrify you then...
• 1760[13:37:23] <Haohmaru> it has done it so many times
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• 1762[13:37:58] <p0g0> That's a likely new career, techno-trauma counseling...
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• 1767[13:39:57] <Haohmaru> so.. i guess i need to put things into .profile, not .bashrc
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• 1833[14:15:00] <siraben> The interface icons have changed, scrolling doesn't lag
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• 1882[14:47:11] <Rayben> Since the turn of the millennium, the construction of stealth ships have occurred. These are ships which employs stealth technology construction techniques in an effort to ensure that it is harder to detect by one or more of radar, visual, sonar, and infrared methods. These techniques borrow from stealth aircraft technology, although some aspects such as wake reduction are unique to stealth ships' design.
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• 1884[14:48:04] <petn-randall> Rayben: Wrong channel?
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• 1886[14:49:38] <phogg> petn-randall: he left a similar rambling and off topic message in two other channels, too. Maybe more, but two I am in.
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• 1906[15:02:05] <Haohmaru> it turns out LightDM doesn't "play" with the .profile or .bashrc stuff, so i switched to slim (which does)
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• 1908[15:02:36] <Haohmaru> but now i can't figure out where to put a xrandr command to rotate my screen during slim :~(
• 1909[15:02:36] <greycat> Display managers (including lightdm) NEVER read your shell's dot files.
• 1910[15:02:58] <greycat> hacman: replaced-url
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• 1912[15:03:13] * greycat takes off glasses, squints...
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• 1914[15:03:24] <greycat> Oh, that is a lower-case O, not a lower-case C
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• 1916[15:03:53] <greycat> Haohmaru: replaced-url
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• 1919[15:04:03] <Haohmaru> well, i don't know but with slim, my custom $PATH thing works
• 1920[15:04:27] <Haohmaru> but now i also have to rotate my face 90 degrees
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• 1928[15:07:14] <Haohmaru> i tried creating a ~/.xsession file containing "#!/bin/sh" and then calling my screen-rotation .sh script from there, did chmod +x .xsession, and then when i rebooted - the screen was not rotated in slim, but after logging in - it "thinks" and spits me back to slim (lxde doesnt start)
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• 1930[15:07:44] <greycat> .xsession is dotted in, so you don't need a shebang or +x permissions
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• 1932[15:07:56] <Haohmaru> *shrug*
• 1933[15:08:03] <Haohmaru> shebang?
• 1934[15:08:15] <greycat> I don't know what "slim" is.
• 1935[15:08:17] <greycat> !shebang
• 1936[15:08:17] <dpkg> well, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
• 1937[15:08:31] <Haohmaru> ah, that
• 1938[15:08:36] <Haohmaru> i wasn't sure.. i added it
• 1939[15:08:38] <greycat> Did your .xsession file launch lxde?
• 1940[15:08:56] <Haohmaru> mmm, no..?
• 1941[15:09:02] <greycat> That's why it didn't "work".
• 1942[15:09:27] <greycat> A .xsession file replaces the default system X Session script, so it has to launch your window manager or session manager.
• 1943[15:09:30] <Haohmaru> i did not have a .xsession file, so i made one only containing a call to ~/blah/rotate_mah_screen.sh
• 1944[15:09:43] <Haohmaru> oh
• 1945[15:09:52] <Haohmaru> well, phukk
• 1946[15:10:02] <greycat> A .xsessionrc file (NOT the same!) is run *before* the default X Session, so if you only wanted to add a command or two and not have to launch everything yourself, use .xsessionrc instead.
• 1947[15:10:16] <Haohmaru> hm
• 1948[15:10:24] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1949[15:10:33] <Haohmaru> will .xsessionrc take effect in slim itself?
• 1950[15:10:48] <greycat> I don't know what "slim" is.
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• 1952[15:11:12] <Haohmaru> a login manager thing
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• 1954[15:11:45] <Haohmaru> greycat, r u in textmode?
• 1955[15:11:53] <greycat> Oh, it provides: x-display-manager so I guess it's a DM
• 1956[15:12:03] <greycat> Haohmaru: I am in X, using fvwm as my window manager.
• 1957[15:12:18] <greycat> I do not use a Desktop Environment of any kind. Only regular, normal, X11.
• 1958[15:12:32] * Haohmaru has confooz enough
• 1959[15:12:44] <Haohmaru> okay, doesn't matter.. i'll try .xsessionrc
• 1960[15:13:01] <greycat> If you're just starting out with this stuff, I recommend deleting your .xsession file and putting your desired X startup command in .xsessionrc instead.
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• 1964[15:13:51] <Haohmaru> i already renamed it so that i can run the lxde and duckduckgo moar
• 1965[15:13:55] <Rayben> Tellurocracy (from the Latin tellus "land" and the Greek κράτος "power") is a type of civilization or state system that is clearly associated with the development of land territories and consistent penetration into inland territories. Tellurocratic states have a certain territory and the state-forming ethnic majority living on it, around which further expansion takes place. The opposite of tellurocracy is thalassocracy (maritime empires), althou
• 1966[15:13:56] <Rayben> gh in the pure type of a particular state is rarely observed. Usually there is a combination of tellurocratic characteristics with thalassocratic.
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• 1968[15:14:16] <limbo_> What's the easiest way to run a server stack (mariadb/nginx/php7) that's seperate from the main ones installed from packages, and is only accessible locally? no Virtualization extensions are available on the machine/
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• 1972[15:15:39] <Haohmaru> let's see now..
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• 1975[15:15:58] <greycat> limbo_: The *simplest*? Buy another computer and install it on that.
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• 1984[15:17:47] <Haohmaru> seems .xsessionrc is ran after i login
• 1985[15:17:49] <blaztek> limbo_: I used to install them in my $HOME directory and bind them to localhost. Of course, I had to start/stop them manually.
• 1986[15:17:56] <greycat> Haohmaru: ... well of course
• 1987[15:17:58] <Haohmaru> but that makes sense of course.. duh
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• 1989[15:18:17] <Haohmaru> it's in my user's home folder, it should not run in slim
• 1990[15:18:26] <Haohmaru> :~(
• 1991[15:18:38] <Haohmaru> so i really need to find a way to rotate slim
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• 1993[15:18:58] <Haohmaru> but.. it's not a huge deal..
• 1994[15:19:18] <greycat> Sorry, I have no idea how to alter the Display Manager itself.
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• 1999[15:19:41] <limbo_> blaztek: I've been trying that, but the database doesn't want to co-operate. Also, I've got to reconfigure all three things just to get them to even start from inside a home folder.
• 2000[15:19:53] <Haohmaru> rotate the source code so it's vertical and goes downwards ;P~
• 2001[15:20:03] <limbo_> breitenj-: or, I'm stupid.
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• 2003[15:20:12] <limbo_> blaztek: ^
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• 2006[15:21:21] <blaztek> limbo_: so true. I compiled them, though...so that may have helped a bit
• 2007[15:21:35] <bites> limbo_: containers. lxc for example.
• 2008[15:22:25] <blaztek> that's a much better solution...they hadn't ben invented back when I was doing it
• 2009[15:22:30] <blaztek> been
• 2010[15:22:33] <limbo_> bites: even with this CPU? and 1GB of ram? "model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz"
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• 2013[15:23:11] <limbo_> Pretty sure I tried containers before. Screw it, I'll give it another go.
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• 2015[15:23:40] <bites> well, it won't take MUCH more resources than running it outside.
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• 2019[15:24:36] <bites> containers still share memory with the host.
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• 2027[15:26:03] <blaztek> bites: is lxc better than docker? I'm asking because I've only used docker once...like for 2 hours...so my knowledge is zero
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• 2034[15:26:32] <bites> lxc is mostly for full system containers, while docker is used for single application.
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• 2038[15:26:46] <blaztek> I see, thank you!
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• 2132[16:12:29] <limbo_> lxc is a little finicky (expecially since I can't seem to get the lxd-client command 'lxc' to work, just lxc-*) but I think I got it now.
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• 2134[16:13:07] <siraben> I just disabled my cursor, how do I hide it?
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• 2137[16:13:47] <siraben> I moved it to the bottom left but there's a pixel showing -_-
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• 2140[16:14:48] <somiaj> siraben: unclutter might be a package worth looking into.
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• 2143[16:15:38] <siraben> somiaj: I downloaded and ran it, doesn't do what I need.
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• 2145[16:15:49] <siraben> There should be a built in option.
• 2146[16:16:04] <siraben> e.g. to disable the touchpad I looked at /org/gnome/desktop/peripherals/touchpad/send-events
• 2147[16:16:05] <somiaj> what do you mean, it should hide your mouse after a period of it not being used
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• 2149[16:16:21] <somiaj> well I mean mouse cursor
• 2150[16:16:27] <siraben> Hide it all the time
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• 2154[16:16:56] <somiaj> seems there is a -nocusor option you acn pass to xorg when you srat it, startx -- -nocursor
• 2155[16:17:04] <peturvilj> I have a recurrent bug with nvidia 340 driver. Here is the backtrace if anyone can help me:
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• 2157[16:17:08] <peturvilj> [ 6.748358] ------------[ cut here ]------------
• 2158[16:17:08] <peturvilj> [ 6.748361] Bad or missing usercopy whitelist? Kernel memory exposure attempt detected from SLUB object 'nvidia_stack_t' (offset 11864, size 3)!
• 2159[16:17:08] <peturvilj> [ 6.748371] WARNING: CPU: 6 PID: 702 at /build/linux-43CEzF/linux-4.16.12/mm/usercopy.c:81 usercopy_warn+0x7e/0xa0
• 2160[16:17:08] <peturvilj> [ 6.748372] Modules linked in: snd_hda_codec_hdmi pktcdvd arc4 pcmcia dell_rbtn iwldvm dell_wmi wmi_bmof iTCO_wdt sparse_keymap iTCO_vendor_support snd_hda_codec_idt uvcvideo dell_laptop intel_powerclamp snd_hda_codec_generic mac80211 dell_smbios coretemp videobuf2_vmalloc dell_wmi_descriptor videobuf2_memops kvm_intel dcdbas videobuf2_v4l2 dell_smm_hwmon snd_hda_intel videobuf2_common kvm videodev irqbypass snd_
• 2161[16:17:08] <peturvilj> hda_codec iwlwifi intel_cstate media evdev yenta_socket joydev snd_hda_core intel_uncore snd_hwdep serio_raw snd_pcm pcspkr pcmcia_rsrc sg cfg80211 pcmcia_core snd_timer rfkill snd mei_me soundcore i7core_edac mei lpc_ich shpchp nvidia(PO) wmi battery binfmt_misc dell_smo8800 video ac acpi_cpufreq button drm parport_pc ppdev lp parport sunrpc ip_tables x_tables autofs4 ext4 crc16 mbcache
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• 2163[16:17:16] <somiaj> another option is to set an invisiable cursor theme
• 2164[16:17:17] <siraben> Ugh
• 2165[16:17:33] <somiaj> or unclutter, it should hide it after you don't use it, and keep it hidden because you aren't using it
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• 2168[16:18:08] <siraben> somiaj: Thanks
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• 2174[16:19:59] <limbo_> Is it possible to pass through CUDA or otherwise use an nvidia GPU in both a VM guest (probably windows in this case) and the host machine?
• 2175[16:20:17] <limbo_> It's a 1070, so there's no pro-grade passthrough options, IIRC.
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• 2186[16:25:53] <siraben> Can someone explain the new TRAMP connection mode for Google Drive?
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• 2194[16:29:54] <bites> limbo_: the lxc command belongs to lxd not lxc. debian doesn't package lxd.
• 2195[16:30:12] <greycat> ...
• 2196[16:30:19] <bites> limbo_: lxc commands start with lxc- because reasons.
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• 2204[16:32:33] <shpingrlde> this command appears to be incorrect. any suggestions? it seemed to complete successfully, but i don't see the files:
• 2205[16:32:36] <shpingrlde> locate -r 'home.*\.iso$' | xargs rsync -av /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=foo.local,share=bar/Apps/.iso-files
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• 2207[16:34:11] <zodd> Varnish does not work out of the box, no error, nothing oin logs, systemd starts it, and stops it. example vcl is rather limited
• 2208[16:34:37] <zodd> is there a proper install/config instruction for Varnish (+nginx) on Debian Stretch?
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• 2258[16:52:31] <zodd> valuable contribution...
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• 2307[17:14:19] <zodd> shpingrlde, 'home.*\.iso$' < isn´t there a typo in home. --> home\\ or is . ment as an any-char regex?
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• 2310[17:14:48] <greycat> If that's a regular expression, the \. means a literal period character instead of the normal regex meaning of . as a wildcard.
• 2311[17:15:08] <greycat> And the .* is a multi-character wildcard.
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• 2317[17:20:58] <kill0rmachine> hey i'm trying to figure out if there is a way to boot a native video mode which seems unsupported (not listed by videoinfo) on my machine. there seems to be no framebuffer and im not sure if its a good ide trying install it on my setup
• 2318[17:21:15] <shpingrlde> yeah, what greycat said
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• 2321[17:21:32] <shpingrlde> i'm trying to find anything under home that ends in .iso and rsync it into a samba share
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• 2324[17:22:10] <greycat> you probably want a slash after home
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• 2326[17:22:16] <greycat> 'home/.*\.iso$'
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• 2342[17:28:12] <shpingrlde> ok, now it's: locate -r "/home/.*\.iso$" | xargs rsync -av /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=foo.local,share=bar/Apps/.iso-files
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• 2345[17:28:33] <greycat> locate?! eww, why
• 2346[17:28:46] <han-solo> find -name "*.iso" -exec
• 2347[17:28:47] <greycat> I thought you were using some rsync internal regex thingy.
• 2348[17:28:52] <han-solo> -maxdepth 1 ?
• 2349[17:29:01] <han-solo> find /home ^
• 2350[17:29:09] <greycat> cd /home && find . -type f -name '*.iso' | whatever
• 2351[17:29:18] <shpingrlde> i guess i could use find, isn't it super duper slow though?
• 2352[17:29:26] <han-solo> what ?
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• 2354[17:29:36] <greycat> locate relies on a CACHED copy of find's results from up to 24 hours ago
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• 2357[17:29:49] <greycat> or whenever you last ran the updatedb that locate uses
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• 2361[17:31:07] <shpingrlde> well, i don't change my files much
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• 2367[17:34:24] <shpingrlde> well, find is working, and locate was passing directory names into the rsync, so i guess find is fine
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• 2379[17:42:03] <kill0rmachine> hmmm ups there is /dev/fb0
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• 2382[17:44:15] <kill0rmachine> but "lsmod|grep fb" shows nothing
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• 2391[17:50:17] <kill0rmachine> im also running proprietary driver on nvidia gpu + modesetting driver on i915 brecause of the new supported "prime synchronization", im just courious if there is a way to get the native video mode without breaking prime synchronization or if i can stop wasting my time
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• 2396[17:53:11] <kill0rmachine> there used to be a package in debian that allowed custom video modes on i915, i915resolution but it was removed in 2008 from debian repo
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• 2405[17:56:26] <kill0rmachine> ups it was "915resolution"
• 2406[17:56:33] <jhutchins_wk> kill0rmachine: The modeset kernel module is what provides the framebuffer. You can try sifting through dmesg to see what loads with it.
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• 2408[17:56:57] <jhutchins_wk> kill0rmachine: xrandr and xvidtune may be useful to you, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
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• 2416[18:00:16] <kill0rmachine> in Xorg the native mode is supported but not in console so the resolution changes evry time i switch to sonsole and it breaks intel_panel_fitter pipe
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• 2444[18:16:41] <kill0rmachine> rebooted my machine 100 times today :3 testing boot options is so exhausting
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• 2475[18:32:33] <kill0rmachine> shit looks like its uefi gop driver related
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• 2480[18:34:58] <jair> hello all I have an LXC debian stretch container, in which I am trying to enable the uvesafb I will be using this as a headless thin client
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• 2482[18:35:37] <jair> however, after trying to enable the module I get this error > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'uvesafb': Function not implemented
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• 2485[18:36:19] <jair> am I using the wrong frame buffer module for debian stretch? any one have a suggestion?
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• 2492[18:42:24] <kill0rmachine> hmmm replaced-url
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• 2496[18:44:48] <jhutchins_wk> jair: Is that a display related module?
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• 2518[18:54:29] <litb> hello my friends
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• 2520[18:55:19] <litb> i'm an archlinux user and want to change to debian because it provides more complete packages
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• 2522[18:55:35] <litb> but I don't want the stable branch. because packages are too old
• 2523[18:55:42] <litb> do you recommend unstable or testing?
• 2524[18:56:43] <nkuttler> litb: if you have to ask, run stable..
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• 2527[18:57:10] <litb> but packages of it are too old for me
• 2528[18:57:47] <litb> and i can stand *some* breakage. let's say, on the order of archlinux breakage
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• 2533[18:58:47] <furrymcgee> testing is stable
• 2534[18:59:00] <furrymcgee> more stable it than unstable
• 2535[18:59:03] <greycat> No, testing is testing.
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• 2537[18:59:21] <greycat> Testing is not stable, because it changes. Stable means "does not change". It does not mean "works".
• 2538[18:59:31] <greycat> You are confusing "stable" with "not-crashing" or something.
• 2539[18:59:34] <litb> ah really? i heard that testing can stay broken for weeks and that for this reason, noone should use "testing" as it's only a transit-region for packages from unstable to stable
• 2540[19:00:03] <greycat> And yes, testing and unstable can ALSO be broken, in addition to being unstable.
• 2541[19:00:30] <litb> ok, from what I understand, I think greycat recommends unstable for me
• 2542[19:00:37] <litb> as I like frequent updates
• 2543[19:00:56] <greycat> I'm not recommending anything in particular. I'm just trying to clarify what the words actually mean to Debian.
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• 2545[19:01:07] <litb> so I like it as unstable as possible
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• 2552[19:01:49] <Aziroshin> Good day. :) - I have a system that's about 1 year out of date, and I'm worried about the update process being susceptible to man in the middle attacks.
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• 2554[19:02:11] <greycat> Debian packages are crypto signed.
• 2555[19:02:11] <Aziroshin> Would it be sufficient to update apt using dpkg, or would I have to observe other components as well?
• 2556[19:02:29] <litb> can it happen that maintainers release packages to unstable that is guaranteed to result in breakage?
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• 2558[19:03:04] <petn-randall> Aziroshin: 'apt update && apt upgrade' is all you need, assuming sane configuration.
• 2559[19:03:06] <litb> i read somewhere that sometimes, packages are committed to unstable even if some of their dependencies are not yet in unstable and thus can result in broken systems or something
• 2560[19:03:13] <Aziroshin> greycat: I gather that apt has had man-in-the-middle vulnerabilites in the past. If the signing alone would be sufficient, why would they be a problem to begin with?
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• 2562[19:03:38] <greycat> How long in the past?
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• 2564[19:03:58] <greycat> s/long/far/
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• 2567[19:04:38] <jair> hello jhutchins_wk it is for a pc that does not have a physical monitor
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• 2570[19:05:15] <Aziroshin> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2572[19:05:54] <jair> jhutchins_wk: thanks but I need to go to bed
• 2573[19:05:57] <jair> :(
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• 2577[19:06:42] <greycat> Aziroshin: oh, a specific *bug* in some version of apt? I don't know about those.
• 2578[19:06:43] <thatpythonguy> litb, i used stable for a while and upgraded to testing like a month ago
• 2579[19:06:57] <litb> OK then you did what I think is discouraged
• 2580[19:07:18] <thatpythonguy> it broke my graphics driver but i fixed by literally reinstalling one package
• 2581[19:07:39] <thatpythonguy> testing has been great ever since, no problems
• 2582[19:07:40] <jhutchins_wk> litb: Yes, that can happen.
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• 2585[19:07:57] <thatpythonguy> i had to reinstall nvidia-drivers
• 2586[19:08:07] <jhutchins_wk> litb: Packages do NOT transition from testing to stable.
• 2587[19:08:32] <litb> it sounds like, from what I've read, that using testing is like using a highway bridge that's currently being reassembled. when you drive across it, any part of it may collapse, because important screws were not yet fastened
• 2588[19:08:33] <jhutchins_wk> litb: The entire testing release transitions to stable with the critical bug list is small enough.
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• 2594[19:10:20] <litb> jhutchins_wk, yeah that's my understanding. maintainers do not care whether testing is broken or not. unless there's a new stable release to be made. then testing must be stabilized in order for a working transition to stable
• 2595[19:10:48] <greycat> During a freeze period, they will care enormously about whether testing works. We are not currently in such a period.
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• 2597[19:11:15] <litb> yeah, currently, because we are not in a freeze period, testing could be broken and not fixed, until the next freeze period
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• 2599[19:11:42] <litb> it would be entirely with the code of conduct for maintainers
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• 2607[19:17:49] <toothe> Hi all. Is there a way to install 'npm' on Debian?
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• 2610[19:18:26] <greycat> I'm sure that whatever you would use on Solaris or DG/UX or Slackware would also work on Debian.
• 2611[19:19:05] <nkuttler> ,v npm
• 2612[19:19:06] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
• 2613[19:19:20] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport npm
• 2614[19:19:21] <judd> Backporting package npm in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 2615[19:19:41] <nkuttler> toothe: well. either run oldstable, or build a backport
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• 2617[19:20:00] <greycat> Or just treat it like a foreign third-party nonpackaged product and install it that way.
• 2618[19:20:20] <nkuttler> i think they also release debs for stretch
• 2619[19:20:22] <Kevlar_Noir> what can I do with a dual screen ?
• 2620[19:20:32] <nkuttler> Kevlar_Noir: use more terminals?
• 2621[19:20:44] <Kevlar_Noir> ouh yeah
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• 2623[19:20:56] <Kevlar_Noir> I must make a new skin for "mixxx"
• 2624[19:21:11] <Kevlar_Noir> for dual screens config
• 2625[19:21:24] <Kevlar_Noir> let's do that
• 2626[19:21:37] <Kevlar_Noir> thank you nkuttler for giving me the impulsion
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• 2628[19:22:33] <Kevlar_Noir> xml!
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• 2630[19:22:48] <litb> is it true that unstable does not receive security updates necessarily?
• 2631[19:22:58] <greycat> Yes.
• 2632[19:23:05] <Kevlar_Noir> riksy business !
• 2633[19:23:09] <litb> hhm :/
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• 2636[19:24:19] <litb> BTW I think this sentence of the releases page is not correct: "sid is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very unstable system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. "
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• 2639[19:25:26] <greycat> Why do you think that?
• 2640[19:25:49] <litb> "very unstable" in the debian sense means "often changed". Therefore I think the sentence should read "... This can result in a system that is very keen to break which contains ..."
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• 2642[19:26:04] <litb> or is it that "not stable" does not mean "unstable" in the debian sense?
• 2643[19:26:24] <greycat> In this context, it's both. Radpily changing and subject to breaking.
• 2644[19:27:01] <litb> ah i see. perhaps that's the reason why they put '"' around the word "unstable" in the wiki. because it's not really what they meant, but readers would get it nontheless
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• 2654[19:34:20] <Kevlar_Noir> it's been maybe 6 months that I'm on debian buster
• 2655[19:34:41] <Kevlar_Noir> with the kx studio repos, and it's in my needs
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• 2657[19:34:55] <Kevlar_Noir> I don't want to have another headache with arch
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• 2710[20:02:21] <JohnA> I have been using sbackup for sometime to backup my servers. recently I found that was failing and appears no longer supported. Any suggestions for a replacement?
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• 2757[20:29:05] <rant> snap package?
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• 2760[20:29:45] <greycat> Apparently "snap" is some thing that's like flatpak, or maybe like docker, or maybe like Windows programs.
• 2761[20:30:20] <basic6_> xrdp has been broken since the last update: "Failed at step RUNTIME_DIRECTORY spawning /bin/sh: File exists"; i found a report in which people commented out a line in the unit file but that causes systemctl restart xrdp to hang. any ideas?
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• 2763[20:30:41] <basic6_> replaced-url
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• 2793[20:42:01] <annadane> basic6_, you're on stable (stretch)?
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• 2835[21:09:14] <basic6_> annadane: i'm on jessie (8)
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• 2853[21:20:54] <rant> I've brought this jessie system up to date, removed all extra sources, left just three official debian ones and when I update and dist-upgrade with stretch in there it is saying "systemd : Breaks: rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-1+deb8u1 is to be installed" which I dont get because deb8u1 would be jessie and there are no jessie sources
• 2854[21:21:25] <annadane> /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
• 2855[21:22:38] <greycat> ,v rdnssd
• 2856[21:22:39] <judd> Package: rdnssd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1+b1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; buster: 1.0.3-3; sid: 1.0.3-3; stretch: 1.0.3-3
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• 2858[21:23:02] <rant> I rm everything in sources.list.d and checked apt-cache policy
• 2859[21:23:08] <rant> its all stretch
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• 2861[21:23:15] <greycat> wait, you said "update and dist-upgrade"
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• 2863[21:23:20] <greycat> you're missing steps
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• 2868[21:23:58] <rant> its been a few days since I read the release notes but I dont remember anyhing significantly different than all the otther dist upgrades I'd done
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• 2871[21:24:23] <greycat> Step 4.4.4
• 2872[21:25:28] <basic6_> annadane: replaced-url
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• 2874[21:25:34] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2876[21:25:57] <annadane> basic6_, sorry, that was in reply to rant
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• 2883[21:28:41] <rant> I'd considered that but wasnt sure... seems its in the release notes
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• 2885[21:29:15] <basic6_> oops
• 2886[21:29:18] <rant> my connection is so shoty right now I'm barely keeping mosh alive much less being able to load pages.. his f'n TLS everywhere is a nighmare on poor connections
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• 2889[21:29:58] <rant> I still don't get why I need to encrypt connection to things like the stretch release notes :P
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• 2891[21:30:27] <klinux> Hi guys
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• 2893[21:30:52] <greycat> rant: Sorry, the world is simply changing, and the web browsers in wheezy and jessie are not keeping up.
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• 2895[21:31:04] <klinux> I have installed debian 9.4 stretch and I have a problem with pulseaudio module
• 2896[21:31:48] <klinux> first problem is that for loading:
• 2897[21:31:52] <klinux> pactl load-module module-echo-cancel use_master_format=1 aec_method='webrtc' aec_args='"beamforming=1 mic_geometry=-0.035,0,0,0.035,0,0"'
• 2898[21:32:18] <klinux> I should stopping pulseaudio and run it with LC_NUMERIC=C pulseaudio
• 2899[21:32:24] <rant> greycat: oh Im on stretch.. I'm just online via a really old usb wifi dongle taped to a soup strainer to a distant hotspot trying to start this upgrade before I head over there.. it'll take me 2 hrs to get there
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• 2904[21:34:28] <klinux> this replaced-url
• 2905[21:34:32] <rant> was stupid to not charge my phone while snoozin knowin I was gonna do his later :P
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• 2928[21:50:03] <Peyam> how do I update firefoz in debian 9.4
• 2929[21:50:36] <annadane> Peyam, which firefox? firefox-esr or regular firefox?
• 2930[21:50:39] <greycat> The firefox-esr package in stretch tracks the ESR releases. If you want the "quantum" stuff, just use the upstream binaries.
• 2931[21:50:48] <Peyam> fire foz esr
• 2932[21:50:55] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
• 2933[21:50:56] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.8.0esr-1; sid:
• 2934[21:50:57] <judd> 52.8.0esr-1; experimental: 60.0.1esr-2
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• 2936[21:51:02] <annadane> apt upgrade should be fine
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• 2938[21:51:30] <annadane> note that ESR and mainline firefox are two different releases; as greycat said, for regular firefox you'll have to get it from their website
• 2939[21:51:37] <annadane> see wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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• 2941[21:51:53] <greycat> Or wait until the quantum features migrate into the ESR releases.
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• 2943[21:52:06] <Peyam> I got 52.8
• 2944[21:52:06] <Peyam> the latest ff is 58
• 2945[21:52:06] <Peyam> what is the diff between this and firefox
• 2946[21:52:06] <Peyam> v firefox
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• 2948[21:52:23] <greycat> !firefox-esr
• 2949[21:52:23] <dpkg> In stable, firefox-esr (Extended Support Release) will be updated to the next release when the old version is no longer supported by Mozilla; this is normally forced by a security update and often breaks many packaged extensions. In testing/unstable firefox-esr is updated after having matured in experimental for a suitable time.
• 2950[21:52:35] <annadane> i think the latest firefox stable is 60
• 2951[21:52:47] <greycat> I don't call that stable.
• 2952[21:52:48] <annadane> (source: am on debian unstable running 60)
• 2953[21:52:51] <annadane> well, mainline
• 2954[21:52:55] <annadane> not stable as in debian stable
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• 2956[21:53:22] <greycat> Looks like upstream Firefox ESR 60.x exists, but stretch hasn't got it yet.
• 2957[21:53:24] <annadane> the latest release which is not: ESR, beta, nightly
• 2958[21:53:50] <greycat> So, download from upstream, or be patient.
• 2959[21:54:55] <greycat> According to replaced-url
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• 2961[21:55:26] <greycat> So, expect a whole shitload of problems around then. :)
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• 2963[21:56:03] <yokowka> hello, every soul! is debian-ru?
• 2964[21:56:14] <greycat> !ru
• 2965[21:56:14] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
• 2966[21:56:43] <annadane> i like every soul, more poetic than everybody
• 2967[21:56:48] <annadane> i may steal that
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• 2969[21:58:57] <yokowka> !ru
• 2970[21:58:57] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 2973[22:01:01] <yokowka> annadane - take that
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• 2976[22:01:34] <`whoami`> Hello, I'm wondering if it's better to use the suite name or the code name in apt's sourcelist ? Imho it'd make more sense to use the suite name, as I wouldn't have to update the sourcelist at each release, but the defaults seems to use codename, so i'm puzzled...
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• 2978[22:02:31] <annadane> code name
• 2979[22:02:56] <annadane> the reason being, the code name - aka, stretch, buster, etc, will always track that release, so you don't get unpleasant surprises when stable releases
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• 2982[22:03:20] <Peyam> sorry I got disconnected
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• 2985[22:03:49] <Peyam> I have no webbrowser installed and ff esr has a annoying bug when installing whatsapp add on
• 2986[22:03:54] <`whoami`> annadane: won't (for example) stretch become "oldstable" over time ?
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• 2988[22:04:04] <annadane> it will
• 2989[22:04:08] <Peyam> there is no firefoz candicate in repo when I try apt install firefox
• 2990[22:04:15] <annadane> which is why you only change it to buster when you're ready to upgrade to buster
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• 2992[22:04:24] <annadane> Peyam, no, "firefox" is not in the repository, only firefox-esr
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• 2994[22:04:31] <annadane> you can get it from mozilla's website
• 2995[22:04:42] <Peyam> annadane, there is no source ppa?
• 2996[22:04:50] <annadane> PPAs are not recommended for use in debian
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• 2998[22:06:27] <bites> Peyam: there are two ways to get the latest firefox on stretch. one is downloading it from mozilla.org the other is using the snap package that mozilla publishes.
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• 3001[22:07:06] <Peyam> snap package?
• 3002[22:07:07] <`whoami`> annadane: tanks for the explanation
• 3003[22:07:14] * greycat is about fuckin' ready to kickban everyone who mentions "snap"
• 3004[22:07:18] <Peyam> are we doing snap on debian too? I though it was a ubuntu thing
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• 3006[22:07:36] <annadane> it's made by canonical
• 3007[22:07:37] <`whoami`> *thanks :|
• 3008[22:07:40] <greycat> No. We're not.
• 3009[22:07:41] <indio_> hola
• 3010[22:07:55] <annadane> !es
• 3011[22:07:55] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 3012[22:08:01] <bites> it's meant to be distribution independent.
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• 3015[22:08:58] <rant> but its not going to be supported here
• 3016[22:09:38] <annadane> in any event, it's best to just download the tar from mozilla's site before resorting to snaps
• 3017[22:09:45] <annadane> IMO
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• 3021[22:10:03] <Peyam> I changed to chromium
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• 3024[22:10:32] <bites> i disagree. i prefer the way that includes automatic updates.
• 3025[22:10:38] <annadane> gaor
• 3026[22:10:41] <annadane> errrr
• 3027[22:10:42] <annadane> fair*
• 3028[22:10:52] <annadane> sorry, i'm clearly drunk
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• 3030[22:13:01] <rant> greycat: i still run into that same error after upgrade when i dist-upgrade
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• 3035[22:16:16] <greycat> rant: what happens if you try "apt-get install systemd" by itself?
• 3036[22:16:19] <rant> which is odd since policy shows it only 100 in stayus bwcause its thwe installed verson available is the 500 stretch line
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• 3039[22:17:13] <klinux> someone can help me understand the parameters of this module target_direction=a,e,r replaced-url
• 3040[22:17:13] <rant> greycat: proceeds wo error
• 3041[22:17:35] <greycat> rant: maybe that'll clear up whatever was broken? Fingers crossed.
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• 3043[22:17:54] <rant> greycat: hope so good idea
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• 3045[22:18:49] <rant> hard to type on a small phone touchscreen jumpin around in a bus.. sorry bout the typin :p
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• 3050[22:20:43] <DannyFritz_> I'm having trouble installing the nonfree weekly debian testing build. replaced-url
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• 3052[22:20:56] <DannyFritz_> When I choose graphical installer I get a black screen
• 3053[22:20:58] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3054[22:20:58] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich oftc.
• 3055[22:21:12] <DannyFritz_> When I choose the other installer I get no wifi drivers. I know the wifi module is included in the firmware folder
• 3056[22:21:14] <greycat> But since this is specifically the *installer*, maybe /msg dpkg d-i
• 3057[22:21:21] <annadane> are you trying to install testing or just testing the installer, if you want debian testing then do a minimal install of stable and upgrade from there
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• 3059[22:21:29] <DannyFritz_> trying to install testing
• 3060[22:21:36] <DannyFritz_> alright, i can do that
• 3061[22:21:57] <DannyFritz_> i would just modify my sources file right?
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• 3063[22:22:15] <annadane> yeah just change stretch to buster
• 3064[22:22:21] <DannyFritz_> thanks
• 3065[22:22:25] <annadane> and apt update
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• 3077[22:31:05] <rant> greycat: that cleared things up fwiw dist upgrade is now umderway without errors
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• 3089[22:35:38] <DannyFritz_> lol, the spam emails at the end of this are humorous replaced-url
• 3090[22:35:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3098[22:40:25] <DannyFritz_> alright, the graphical installer works for 9.4.0, but it still isn't loading up the firmware. :(
• 3099[22:41:01] <DannyFritz_> oh shoot, 9.4.0 has an older version of the firmware
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• 3124[22:55:55] <nekoseam> Where does debian place .Xdefaults?
• 3125[22:56:06] <nekoseam> I'm trying to configure urxvt and that's where its config is stored
• 3126[22:56:29] <greycat> I think it'll read ~/.Xresources automatically
• 3127[22:56:46] <greycat> /etc/X11/Xsession:USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources
• 3128[22:56:55] <nekoseam> Oh
• 3129[22:56:56] <nekoseam> Thanks
• 3130[22:56:59] <nkuttler> nekoseam: the urxvt man page knows
• 3131[22:57:05] <nekoseam> I checked that
• 3132[22:57:10] <greycat> of course you'll want to run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources if you edit the file and don't want to logout/login
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• 3136[22:59:10] <nekoseam> Wait so if I edit and save the file I'll be logged out?
• 3137[22:59:18] <greycat> of course you'll want to run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources if you edit the file and don't want to logout/login
• 3138[22:59:38] <greycat> you either run that command, or you log out and log back in, to update the resource database
• 3139[22:59:49] <nekoseam> Thanks
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• 3181[23:20:00] <nekoseam> no
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• 3208[23:31:48] <OS-38628> join offsec
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• 3214[23:37:09] <yctn_> i kinda have a complex networking question. i use keepalived with DR as a load balacer. i added the VIP as loopback adress(else it wont respond of packets from the keepalived) but now if a machine want to connect to the vip. it just connects to itself(cause of the loopback) is there any way to avoid this?
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• 3217[23:38:14] <annadane> you may want to try ##networking also
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• 3238[23:48:11] <rant> im nearing end of jessie->stretch and it said twick on dkms error bad exit status.... pretty sure nothin needs built. is it cause for concern that dkms for stretch kernel did not exit cleanly?
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