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10 [00:05:36] <jim> should the debian developers know about this: replaced-url
11 [00:06:00] <ut> Is there a good way to run aptitude daily to apply updates? I've seen unexplained prohibitions against switching between apt-get and aptitude, and cron-apt looks like it invokes apt-get...
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13 [00:07:51] <jim> ut, one thing, when software is replaced on your machine, things will change... the person with the machine that's being upgraded should be aware of that, especially if they use it for real work
14 [00:08:30] <ut> jim: this is just a personal vm for me to noodle with. I figure I'm better off having it update itself when I'm not paying attention. point taken, though.
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19 [00:10:14] <jim> ut, one trick I do pretty often, is apt-get -dy dist-upgrade, which just downloads the packages... when you're ready with a block of time, you canrun the dist-upgrade again without the -dy and it will actually install the packages
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23 [00:11:59] <jim> you'll want to do at least one thing: run apt-get clean after doing upgrades of any kind, and another thing, if you have a spare running debian around, you could run apt-cacher-ng on it
24 [00:14:15] <ut> you happen to know why people say not to mix apt-get with aptitude? I was thinking inconsistent tracking of installed packages and reasons for installing them (implict as a dependency vs. explicit user installation)?
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26 [00:15:43] <ut> or alternately, that it's fine and people don't know what they're talking about :)
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31 [00:16:48] <jim> if you have two or more machines on the same net as the cacher, it makes running it more worth it
32 [00:17:12] <jim> err machines running debian that is
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35 [00:18:15] <ut> I don't currently... maybe sometime.
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38 [00:19:20] <jim> ut, I can probably guess the reason for not mixing them... it's because they use different ways of resolving dependencies, and it's possible that mixing them could cause weird problems
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60 [00:27:02] <rant> I want to remap the keys on a remote to use it as a game controller in Xorg, some of the keys are MM keys and mouse buttons. I've been fooling with Xorg's evdev driver with no success, I have a udev rule for the device currenly jus symlinking i to a device node for easier access.
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70 [00:28:55] <ut> jim: makes sense, thanks
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72 [00:30:51] <rant> replaced-url
73 [00:30:57] <rant> left, the ones on the right are arrows and enter
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147 [01:13:29] <nekoseam> Where can I go to read about the changes Debian makes to the normal kernel?
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155 [01:19:34] <yokowka> есть рускiя?
156 [01:20:21] <mnuhmnuh> !ru
157 [01:20:21] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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159 [01:21:16] <mnuhmnuh> looked like russian to me.
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161 [01:21:51] <nekoseam> Looks swedish to me
162 [01:22:02] <nekoseam> ;)
163 [01:22:22] <Sir_Designer> ich bin ein svenska flicka
164 [01:22:24] * annadane resists, with great difficulty, making an "it's all greek to me" joke
165 [01:22:48] <mnuhmnuh> ecto picker.
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167 [01:23:20] <mnuhmnuh> MIB!
168 [01:23:23] <yokowka> how to make from ubuntu - debian?
169 [01:23:37] <nekoseam> I don't think that'd be possible
170 [01:23:41] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: re-install.
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173 [01:24:00] <nekoseam> You could always install Debian and keep all your data
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176 [01:24:11] <rant> yokowka: download a debian install image and reinsall over ubuntu.. is your /home on a seperate partition?
177 [01:24:55] <mnuhmnuh> make /home a separate ptn, and it'll survive reboots/re-installs.
178 [01:24:57] <rant> I vaguely recall an effort years ago to make something to turn other linux into debian
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181 [01:25:54] <mnuhmnuh> rant: debian will just say start over.
182 [01:26:03] <mnuhmnuh> !frankendebian
183 [01:26:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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185 [01:26:04] <yokowka> nekosem - has tutorial? rant - /home partition I don't know....
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187 [01:27:38] <rant> nekoseam: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz
188 [01:27:43] <yokowka> rant - has tutorial of reinstal debian image over ubuntu?))
189 [01:28:37] <rant> yokowka: are you on the ubunu system right now?
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194 [01:30:50] <yokowka> rant - Yes. Ubuntu 18.04. I has intel x86_64. What image of Debian I must download?
195 [01:30:50] <yokowka> rant - i386?
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198 [01:31:17] <rant> yokowka: woah, are you sure you have x86_64?
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200 [01:31:39] <TyzefOiD> Hi men, how you? anyone who run Rigs of Rods game on Debian ?
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207 [01:33:41] <rant> yokowka: never mind, open a terminal, type the following: (lsblk;lscpu)>~/log
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209 [01:33:57] <rant> they seem to have left
210 [01:34:11] <rant> and I made a typo anyhow :P
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212 [01:34:30] <rant> erm.. no that works
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215 [01:34:51] <rant> I could swear a trailing semicolon was required
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218 [01:35:45] <yokowka> some problems was conection with, now i'm in. let's continue. rant?
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220 [01:36:06] <rant> ok..
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222 [01:36:32] <rant> yokowka: open terminal and type: (lsblk;lscpu)>~/log
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224 [01:36:58] <rant> yokowka: then goto paste.debian.net in your browser and upload the file "log" in your homedir
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226 [01:37:10] <nekoseam> rant: thanks
227 [01:37:25] <yokowka> so, download image, install it with already having system, then from debian delete ubuntu, or something....?
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233 [01:38:26] <rant> once I have more information about your current setup I can better advise you.. its also worth mentioning if you care at all to save any of the data
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240 [01:40:05] <rant> that command should create a log with info about your disk configuration and cpu type
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244 [01:41:02] <yokowka> rant sorry, repeat please your answer before 02:40:02.
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248 [01:41:52] <yokowka> rant - was dissconect
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250 [01:42:25] <yokowka> rant, - what command?
251 [01:42:44] <rant> yokowka: I already did open a terminal, type: (lsblk;lscpu;lspci -nn;lsusb)>~/log then goto paste.debian.net click the choose file button, select the log from your homedir and hit the send button
252 [01:43:14] <yokowka> already doing))))
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254 [01:44:08] <rant> technically I should've said a LANG=C too since your system may be in russian :P
255 [01:45:09] <yokowka> yep, rant - os is on risianъ
256 [01:45:25] <yokowka> *rusianъ
257 [01:45:29] <rant> I'm not to the point of reading it yet, but I have google translate.. and I'm learning
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260 [01:46:03] <rant> I had to study russian with audio lessons first the alphabet throroughly confused me :P
261 [01:46:59] <yokowka> rant - you'll help me, i - study You rusianъ))))
262 [01:47:36] <V_A> fuck ! GAYS ?
263 [01:47:39] <rant> yeah well learning to type/write and read it isnt as easy as learning to understand and speak it :P
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265 [01:47:49] <rant> !ops V_A
266 [01:47:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: rant complains about a problem (see above)
267 [01:48:12] <yokowka> rant - agree at all
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272 [01:51:24] <rant> yokowka: the english word is "completely" (polnost'yu) in that context
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275 [01:52:15] <yokowka> rant - yep. take: replaced-url
276 [01:52:19] <rant> at all (voobshche) isnt quite right
277 [01:52:43] <yokowka> rant soversheno
278 [01:53:00] <yokowka> rant sovershEno
279 [01:54:41] <rant> yes that works too I suppos
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282 [01:55:38] <rant> yokowka: well I dont see anything that would require additional firmware.. only thing that might be a problem is the atheros bluetooth.. you can use the amd64 image.. do you need to save any data from ubuntu? seems you're using one large home partition
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284 [01:55:51] <rant> erm root partition that is
285 [01:56:00] <yokowka> rant - my mail, if something ask: yokowka@rambler.ru
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288 [01:57:37] <yokowka> yes large /home at me, yes need save data - information in /home
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291 [01:58:15] <yokowka> erm root??((
292 [01:58:34] <rant> yokowka: do you have a device like a spare hdd or thumbdrive to backup to?
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295 [01:59:38] <rant> yokowka: the root filesystem is the top of the hierarchy the / in /home your /home is all on the same partition as everything else and using the enire disk you will either have to resize the partition or use another disk to backup to
296 [02:00:01] <yokowka> spare? i have pc on windows also.
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298 [02:00:14] <rant> yokowka: it may be better to use a live version of debian if you dont have anoher drive to backup
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302 [02:00:39] <rant> you could use a live image to resize the partition of ubuntu and make room to backup
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304 [02:01:10] <rant> unless you have another drive with enough space to backup /home until you install debian
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306 [02:01:29] <rant> du -h /home will calculate the size of /home so you know how much space you need to backup
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310 [02:02:31] <rant> it is quicker and simpler to backup to another drive from ubuntu than to resize and backup using a live
311 [02:03:02] <rant> because doing a resize to make room for a backup will be moving the data twice and take twice as long
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317 [02:05:02] <rant> however if you backup to a windows filesystem you may want to tar the /home first to preserve the metadata
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329 [02:12:48] <yokowka> rant - 334 Gb space needed((((
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341 [02:15:21] <yokowka> rant , my skype: amikalaevich, viber, icq: +375296783856
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345 [02:16:12] <r_nd0m> Hi
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349 [02:18:08] <rant> yeah, they def want to use a live image and shrink the rootfs and make it a /home partition then create a new root partition
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354 [02:18:54] <yokowka> rant, cagy bee is on line disconect me))))
355 [02:19:05] <rant> yokowka: thats most of your drive.. how much is free? df -Th
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357 [02:19:52] <rant> yokowka: if you have at least 10gb free you can download a debian live image, use that to shrink the partition, then create a new partition to install debian onto and use the old ubuntu partition as /home
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359 [02:20:58] <yokowka> rant - i have 90 Gb free space
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361 [02:21:33] <rant> yokowka: thats what I'd recommend then.. the live image for amd64.. it'll boot to a working system with a deskop that you can use to repartition and backup before installing
362 [02:22:11] <rant> yokowka: do you have a thumbdrive or blank dvd or something to make an install media?
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366 [02:23:11] <yokowka> rant-how to shrink and create new partition? what is your skype, viber, icq?
367 [02:23:44] <rant> yokowka: I havent used any of that stuff in over a decade.. still remember my info but it wont do you any good cause I'm not on there I only use freenode
368 [02:24:18] <yokowka> may be telegramъ?
369 [02:24:29] <rant> heh
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371 [02:25:23] <yokowka> cagy bee disconect me ((((
372 [02:25:32] <rant> yokowka: maybe after you install debian you should look into getting yourself a VPS or something to maintain your IRC connection
373 [02:25:36] <yokowka> kgb
374 [02:26:15] <yokowka> yes that will be excelent
375 [02:26:18] <rant> I'd ask why they'd be intereted in you.. but we're talking about the kgb.. heh
376 [02:26:47] <rant> interested even
377 [02:26:59] <annadane> replaced-url
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380 [02:28:45] <rant> annadane: in Soviet Russia the KGB disconnect YOU!
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382 [02:29:50] <rant> at least I put yokowka on notify so I know when they come/go since I have joins/parts ignored in #debian
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389 [02:33:37] <yokowka> last i don't understand.... so can you make wider step by step tutoring for make all of 03:19:52? especialy shrink create partition?
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392 [02:34:33] <rant> their connection is all screwed up :P
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398 [02:36:12] <yokowka> i'm with you
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401 [02:36:57] <rant> yokowka: do you have a thumbdrive or blank dvd to put the live image on?
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403 [02:37:30] <yokowka> thumbdrive - it's to usb flash card?
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406 [02:38:20] <rant> yes it will need about 2-3GB of space and will erase the thumbdrive
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408 [02:38:56] <rant> yokowka: you may want to download over bittorrent if your connection is dropping. replaced-url
409 [02:38:56] <yokowka> yep, i've so
410 [02:38:56] <yokowka> *such
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412 [02:40:05] <rant> yokowka: once you make that image on the thumbdrive, you boot to the desktop and start gparted, select your ubuntu partition and shrink it about 10GB or so to make room for debian, then click the unused space you freed and create a new ext4 partition
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414 [02:40:21] <rant> damn.. left again :P
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417 [02:40:37] <nekoseam> isn't yokowka the russian guy>
418 [02:40:41] <rant> da
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421 [02:41:35] <nekoseam> How long do you have to be inactive to be closed
422 [02:41:41] <nekoseam> or is it a program specific thing
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424 [02:41:59] <rant> you're gonna need some context... that means nothing to me
425 [02:42:17] <tsarompy> hi
426 [02:42:24] <tsarompy> im just here to complain about meta packages
427 [02:42:27] <nekoseam> read d3r3k's message
428 [02:42:27] <tsarompy> and im done
429 [02:42:29] <tsarompy> thanks for listening
430 [02:42:34] <rant> heh
431 [02:43:03] <rant> nekoseam: again, that means nothing to me
432 [02:43:04] <tsarompy> lol is someone dual booting debian AND UBUNTU
433 [02:43:07] <tsarompy> bruh why
434 [02:43:14] <tsarompy> i didnt mean to all caps that
435 [02:43:18] <tsarompy> but its funnier now in retrospect
436 [02:43:38] <nekoseam> i've never really gotten the appeal of ubuntu
437 [02:43:50] <tsarompy> i get the appeal
438 [02:43:56] <tsarompy> i just dont get dual booting two rather similar linuxes
439 [02:43:58] <nekoseam> it has a pretty theme?
440 [02:44:06] <tsarompy> i do like the PPAs in ubuntu tbh
441 [02:44:14] <nekoseam> ppas are just a security risk
442 [02:44:16] * themill searches for some relevance to Debian user support
443 [02:44:21] <tsarompy> i dont think ubuntu has had a pretty theme since karmic koala tho
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445 [02:44:24] <nekoseam> the only extra repository I have is from bunsenlabs
446 [02:44:37] <yokowka> rant i has thumbdrive
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448 [02:44:48] <rant> themill: good luck with that I was searching for clear and convincing evidence this was troll
449 [02:44:57] <tsarompy> whos trollin
450 [02:44:58] <tsarompy> let me at em
451 [02:45:29] * annadane raises hand
452 [02:45:43] <nekoseam> I've gotten called a troll 4 times in the past month on ##linux. I've already forgotten why
453 [02:45:45] <tsarompy> >:|
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456 [02:46:05] <tsarompy> i like trolling the windows channels
457 [02:46:15] <rant> yokowka: would you be able to stay connected to skype? can you voice chat? in english?
458 [02:46:21] <rant> cause this is a bit annoying :P
459 [02:46:41] <nekoseam> replaced-url
460 [02:46:41] * tsarompy summons the ghost of rms's foot cheese to witness the invocation of skype
461 [02:46:43] <yokowka> rant - YES, YES
462 [02:46:44] <rant> I can put skype on my phone and pretty sure I remember the login and can prob guess the password
463 [02:46:47] <tsarompy> lol jinx
464 [02:46:54] <nekoseam> tsarompy: lol
465 [02:47:02] <yokowka> That's great
466 [02:47:04] <rant> and I'm not really doing anything right now
467 [02:47:09] <rant> but sweating
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469 [02:47:47] <nekoseam> I can't wait for Debian 10. Mostly because Qutebrowser will finally be added in the repos
470 [02:48:14] <nekoseam> Sick of Chromium's memory usage
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474 [02:49:06] <tsarompy> why cant you just use it now
475 [02:49:14] <nekoseam> It's not supported
476 [02:49:19] <nekoseam> in repos
477 [02:49:22] <tsarompy> lol
478 [02:49:24] <tsarompy> take a chance
479 [02:49:33] <nekoseam> never
480 [02:49:39] * rant never used skype on android before
481 [02:49:40] <mnuhmnuh> hey, i was just recently reminded of dillo! WOOHOO!!! completely forgot it existed. damn.
482 [02:49:52] <tsarompy> what about um
483 [02:49:56] <tsarompy> what did qupzilla change its name to
484 [02:49:59] <tsarompy> falkon
485 [02:50:00] <nekoseam> falkon
486 [02:50:05] <nekoseam> jinx again
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488 [02:50:31] <tsarompy> i mean, i use google chrome dev and its by far the nicest browser ive used so far
489 [02:50:56] <nekoseam> Chromium is a monster in memory usage but godamn it's fast. WebKit is truly amazing
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491 [02:51:05] <tsarompy> naw dawg we blink now
492 [02:51:08] <tsarompy> aint no webkit
493 [02:51:11] <nekoseam> (webkit is what qutebrowser is using as well)
494 [02:51:14] <themill> nekoseam, tsarompy: feel free to take it to a private message, thanks
495 [02:51:15] <tsarompy> opera is pretty nice too
496 [02:51:26] <nekoseam> themill: Sorry
497 [02:51:29] <tsarompy> lol
498 [02:51:39] <tsarompy> no thats okay ill just like, find a channel with less sticks up asses :P
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500 [02:51:50] <nekoseam> welp
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559 [03:41:36] <eamanu> Hello Everybody! anyone know why I have this error on uscan: replaced-url
560 [03:41:36] <eamanu> uscan warn: In watchfile debian/watch, reading webpage
561 [03:41:36] <eamanu> replaced-url
562 [03:41:36] <eamanu> uscan info: Scan finished?
563 [03:41:37] <eamanu> Thanks!
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567 [03:42:31] <eamanu> Hello everybody! I have an error when I use uscan
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569 [03:42:59] <eamanu> uscan say me something like: 500 Can't connect to pypi.debian.net:443
570 [03:43:21] <themill> that would be because pypi.debian.net is down atm
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581 [03:48:58] <spaces> I heard Debian has been sold to Microsoft!
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583 [03:49:40] <spaces> because they coudn't buy Ubuntu and they integrated their cli into Windows
584 [03:50:21] <cluelessperson> spaces: not happening
585 [03:50:27] <cluelessperson> spaces: and if they do, I'm jumping ship
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587 [03:50:50] <spaces> cluelessperson they did, ok, where is your ship positioned ? I like to have it :P
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589 [03:51:03] <jgkamat> source please
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591 [03:51:32] <themill> don't feed it
592 [03:51:33] <spaces> jgkamat I'm your source, do you believe some media these days ?
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594 [03:51:52] <spaces> themill it always works ;)
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600 [03:52:17] <jgkamat> thanks
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604 [03:52:55] <cluelessperson> I have an issue with CIFS mounts holding up a machine's shutdown
605 [03:52:58] <cluelessperson> not sure how to fix
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647 [04:06:05] <RoyK> !ask ! cluelessperson
648 [04:06:17] <RoyK> dpkg: tell cluelessperson about ask
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702 [04:19:13] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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704 [04:19:25] <tobiasBora> I don't know why, but when I do:
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708 [04:19:54] <tobiasBora> convert latex.png -colorspace sRGB -set colorspace sRGB latex_palette.png
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710 [04:20:04] <tobiasBora> This does not change the colorspace, and I still have:
711 [04:20:15] <tobiasBora> identify latex_palette.png ---> latex_palette.png PNG 100x16 100x16+0+0 8-bit Grayscale Gray 793B 0.000u 0:00.000
712 [04:20:23] <tobiasBora> (notice the Grayscale)
713 [04:20:24] <cluelessperson> RoyK: that is the question lol
714 [04:20:37] <tobiasBora> while I'd like to have sRGB. Any idea what's the problem?
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746 [04:25:31] <themill> tobiasBora: istr you want -profile not -colorspace
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748 [04:25:54] <yokowka_> rant - connection is losst
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755 [04:27:42] <tobiasBora> themill: I have errors with profile, what should I choose? I tried several things, but none of them work convert latex.png -profile sRGB latex_palette.png
756 [04:27:50] <rant> tobiasBora: replaced-url
757 [04:28:25] <rant> or confuse you more :P
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759 [04:29:01] <rant> yokowka_: what connection?
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765 [04:30:55] <yokowka_> rant - in private chat....
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768 [04:31:27] <tobiasBora> rant: the thing is that I can't find any sRGB.icm on my system
769 [04:31:33] <tobiasBora> so what should I use?
770 [04:32:21] <rant> tobiasBora: is icc-profiles installed?
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772 [04:32:49] <tobiasBora> nope
773 [04:33:09] <rant> well then install it :P
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775 [04:33:33] <rant> idk if you NEED it for what you're doing but thats the package that provides it
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777 [04:33:47] <tobiasBora> why is it that complicated to just set up a single sRGB mode ? ^^'
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779 [04:34:10] <themill> tobiasBora: I can't even find a greyscale png here...
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785 [04:35:05] <tobiasBora> rant: I just want that when I type `file image.png`, I get "8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
786 [04:35:07] <tobiasBora> "
787 [04:35:16] <tobiasBora> for now I have "4-bit colormap, non-interlaced"
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791 [04:36:42] <rant> idk crap about color modes.. I just know sometimes when I download a photo from the web The GIMP asks me about converting the profile.. its irrelevant information to me :P
792 [04:37:07] <rant> I usually let gimp convert it just so I dont see it complain
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818 [04:39:28] <tobiasBora> rant: gimp is great, but I need to script it now
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844 [04:41:28] <rant> I hear ya.. I have a script called imgs I use to perform batch ops with imagemagick but color profiles isnt one of em.. cause as I said I dont know or care about that
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881 [04:41:50] <themill> tobiasBora: btw why do you need to convert the image?
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922 [04:42:22] <rant> how image data is encoded is of no concern to me.. my eyes dont support any icc profiles :P
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1302 [04:45:45] <tobiasBora> themill: well it's because of a strange bug I can't explain on w3m (emacs)
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1312 [04:46:11] <tobiasBora> it can handle sRGB profile, but it's buggy on others profiles
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2288 [04:53:25] <tobiasBora> rant: themill : I tried everything I had in mind:
2289 [04:53:27] <tobiasBora> convert latex.png -profile "/usr/share/color/icc/sRGB.icm" -colorspace sRGB -set colorspace sRGB latex_palette.png
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2294 [04:53:39] <tobiasBora> file latex_palette.png ==> 8-bit gray+alpha, non-interlaced
2295 [04:53:40] <tobiasBora> grr
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2493 [05:57:19] <pinkos> hi guys whats a decent laptop for running debian
2494 [05:57:21] <pinkos> ?
2495 [05:57:29] <pinkos> a modern one
2496 [05:57:33] <pinkos> that can run dark table pretty well
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2499 [05:58:52] <a1f> can't go wrong with a thinkpad
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2501 [05:59:33] <a1f> i guess system76 is an option now also, but i've never had one
2502 [05:59:46] <a1f> that's my 2 cents
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2513 [06:04:03] <somiaj> pinkos: Debian runs on a wide varity of laptops, you can usually pick a company/brand you like and find one, just pay attention to the actual hardware. I know dell sells laptops with linux (ubuntu) on it that will also work with debian
2514 [06:04:17] <somiaj> I would avoid very new laptops, and optimus hardware
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2516 [06:04:21] <pinkos> is ee
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2518 [06:04:22] <pinkos> i see
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2530 [06:11:21] <neverreboot> howdy
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2535 [06:16:33] <pinkos> hey. whats the best debian burning software?
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2537 [06:17:16] <somiaj> what do you mean by burning? And what is your goal?
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2539 [06:18:26] <pinkos> disc burning
2540 [06:18:32] <pinkos> i want to create some data discs
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2543 [06:18:52] <pinkos> and id liek to not finalize them right away, i.e. have the option of finalizing them later
2544 [06:18:58] <somiaj> wodim can burn the disc's, you'll need mkisofs to create an iso image to burn.
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2546 [06:19:14] <somiaj> there are some graphical front ends that can do this, gnome and kde both have one. I don't know their name.
2547 [06:19:30] <pinkos> brasero?
2548 [06:19:41] <neverreboot> brasero is pretty good
2549 [06:19:44] <neverreboot> I've used it before
2550 [06:19:47] <somiaj> that is one, there are others as well.
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2556 [06:21:47] <neverreboot> I used k3b too
2557 [06:21:50] <neverreboot> that was a nice one
2558 [06:21:55] <neverreboot> and I think I used xfburn
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2561 [06:22:07] <neverreboot> bash burn is nice too if you only have a bash prompt
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2580 [06:34:04] <nvz> has anything changed in the last say 5 years how to investigate what locked up the last boot, or do I still jus look for .1.gz logs in /var/log?
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2582 [06:34:33] <nvz> well not the boot, but froze up the whole system while running and caused the user to hardboot
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2587 [06:35:04] <somiaj> nvz: systemd does things a little differntly. By default journald doens't keep logs between boots, unless you mkdir /var/log/journal
2588 [06:35:50] <somiaj> nvz: If you have that directory, you can use journalctl to see all the logs from the last boot. If you never made that dir to make logs persistant across boots, you'll have to hope you can find what you are looking for in the other logs. They are still there, but stuff may not be logging to them as much as in the past.
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2591 [06:37:19] <pinkos> i want to find a good laptop for my photography
2592 [06:37:28] <pinkos> looking at and working photos
2593 [06:37:47] <pinkos> i dont want to pay to use proprietary lightroom
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2596 [06:38:32] <somiaj> as mentioned there are lots of latops debian runs on. If you don't mind dell, I know they sell laptops with ubuntu on them that could help avoid checking you get one that is compadabile.
2597 [06:39:17] <somiaj> But in general mostly check the video card, network card, wifi card, and sound card to see if it they are supported in linux. There are also a lot of sites out there that give linux support ratings for different laptops once you find one you are intersted in.
2598 [06:39:28] <nvz> somiaj: so I can simply mkdir and that'll keep me better logs?
2599 [06:39:32] <somiaj> The levono think pads seem to be popular and usually have good support.
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2601 [06:39:45] <somiaj> nvz: correct, once that directory exists, journalctl will save its logs between boots.
2602 [06:39:47] <nvz> somiaj: this sysem is currently jessie, which has systemd but isnt same as stretch
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2606 [06:40:13] <nvz> my father keeps having his machine freeze up every couple weeks
2607 [06:40:15] <somiaj> nvz: I'm unsure about jessie, I dno't think the 'auto' option was enabled in jessie. You may have to also change a systemd config file for jessie.
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2613 [06:41:58] <somiaj> nvz: check /etc/systemd/journald.conf and look for the Storage= setting. auto is the default setting in stretch that makes persistant logs if that directory exists.
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2616 [06:42:35] <somiaj> nvz: you can also set that to persistent to force it, and it appears the jessie does support the auto setting. I'm unsure if jessie defaults to auto or not.
2617 [06:43:01] <nvz> somiaj: its there Storage=auto but commented.. everything is commented
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2619 [06:44:08] <somiaj> then auto should be the default
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2621 [06:44:29] <somiaj> you shouldn't need to uncomment that, as that is how it works in stretch. I was just unsure for jessie
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2623 [06:44:43] <themill> Chec what /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian says
2624 [06:44:49] <somiaj> so yea, just create the directory, and you have persistant logs
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2627 [06:45:24] <nvz> I uncommented Storage=auto Compress=yes Seal=yes SplitMode=uid SyncIntervalSec=5m RateLimitInterval=30s RateLimitBurst=1000 and did the mkdir
2628 [06:46:03] <nvz> do I need to tell systemd I did this? a daemon-reload or something?
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2631 [06:47:01] <nvz> this particular instance I seen an OOM related to VirtualBox but thats prob not what typically causes his problems.. he has 4GB ram
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2633 [06:47:26] <nvz> and looks like 2G swap
2634 [06:47:28] <somiaj> nvz: the settings that were commented out should be the default settings, so that most likely didn't change anything. I'm unsure about if you need to reload journald after changing that file.
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2637 [06:48:50] <atiampela> hi guys
2638 [06:48:55] <atiampela> I have a question
2639 [06:49:07] <somiaj> Just ask.
2640 [06:49:31] <nvz> guess I'll read the manpage
2641 [06:49:38] <atiampela> How to change folder/file permissions in NTFS file systems?
2642 [06:50:13] <atiampela> I use Debian 9 and have NTFS partition to store my data
2643 [06:51:03] <somiaj> atiampela: in short you can't. But if you mount an ntfs partition you can use the uid=,gid=,umask=,fmask=,dmask=, options to set the permsisions used for all files/directories.
2644 [06:51:20] <atiampela> yeap..I've mounted that drive with ntfs-3g
2645 [06:51:22] * nvz restarted systemd-journald.service
2646 [06:51:33] <atiampela> I need to change the file permission to classified samba user account
2647 [06:51:57] <somiaj> so you can make the whole filesystem have a set permsions, but you have to change them for the whole mount, you can't control indvidual permsisions on the mount.
2648 [06:51:59] <atiampela> so user can go through their data on NTFS drive with their user account
2649 [06:52:27] <atiampela> is that possible?
2650 [06:52:57] <atiampela> I have 5 user with different user account to access samba, let's said it's a division/department
2651 [06:53:00] <somiaj> as I said, you can set the permisions userd for the whole file system at mount time, but not indvidual pieces.
2652 [06:53:00] <atiampela> *users
2653 [06:53:14] <atiampela> ah..thank you somiaj
2654 [06:53:18] <atiampela> :(
2655 [06:53:24] <atiampela> and I have an idea
2656 [06:53:24] <somiaj> You can't do that with an ntfs file system in linux as far as I know. Change the file system for that.
2657 [06:53:45] <atiampela> how if I just set a password protection for NTFS file/folder. is that possible?
2658 [06:54:05] <atiampela> if I set it up in Linux, so user which is used Windows can access that file/folder
2659 [06:54:23] <somiaj> you really can't take advantage of the advanced ntfs filesystem features form linux. If you want to do stuff like that, use a linux file system.
2660 [06:54:35] <atiampela> ah :(
2661 [06:54:47] <atiampela> okay. I should make a schedule to migration again haha
2662 [06:54:51] <atiampela> thanks somiaj :)
2663 [06:54:56] <somiaj> but you can set up fmask,dmask and uid,gid, to give a group of users access to the ntfs files.
2664 [06:55:07] <atiampela> yes I did
2665 [06:55:16] <atiampela> but it just set 1 user and 1 group only
2666 [06:55:18] <somiaj> so you have some control, but not fine grained.
2667 [06:55:23] <somiaj> correct, and for the whole file system.
2668 [06:55:28] <atiampela> yes
2669 [06:56:45] <atiampela> ah
2670 [06:56:49] <atiampela> I have an idea
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2673 [06:57:16] <atiampela> how if I set a firewall for some IP Address, so that IP address can only access file/folder that I set it up
2674 [06:57:21] <atiampela> is that possible?
2675 [06:57:41] <atiampela> I mean firewall in my debian
2676 [06:57:46] <atiampela> iptables
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2678 [06:58:01] <somiaj> Yes you can use various tools to put a firewall in debian and restrict which ip's can access what ports/services/etc
2679 [06:58:17] <atiampela> got it! maybe it's a good solution
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2681 [06:59:39] <somiaj> (note the file wall can restrict what files they can access, but samba can)
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2683 [07:00:38] <nvz> when kernel says EMT invoked oom-killer what is EMT?
2684 [07:00:40] <atiampela> sorry? you mean firewall can't restrict to access some files/folder but samba is open for first the connection ?
2685 [07:00:41] <atiampela> right?
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2687 [07:01:05] <atiampela> I don't get it sorry
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2689 [07:02:22] <somiaj> atiampela: samba can be configured as to what users you give access to what files on your system. This may take configuring what you want each user to access. Read the samba docs
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2691 [07:02:34] <atiampela> yes I know
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2693 [07:02:44] <atiampela> but the problem is, data is stored in NTFS file system
2694 [07:02:49] <somiaj> so
2695 [07:03:00] <atiampela> and per department had a different user account
2696 [07:03:28] <atiampela> but ntfs-3g just only mount 1 user and 1 group
2697 [07:03:30] <somiaj> okay, configure samba to have read/write access to the whoel NTFS drive, and then configure what each user is allowed to access. Samba will do the reading/writting
2698 [07:04:14] <somiaj> now you can't take advantage of samba running as the user that logs in, but samba can also be configured to just access it as the samba user and not as the user whose credentials were used (at least it use to be). I think samba can still do this, but it maynot be the default configuration
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2702 [07:05:37] <atiampela> or let the user from Windows go through the samba to access the NTFS drive first (let's said it's on D:\, and restrict their permission with firewall or iptables to access file/folder inside the D:\ Drive. right?
2703 [07:06:09] <somiaj> you can't restrict access to files/folders with iptables
2704 [07:06:14] <atiampela> ah
2705 [07:06:18] <somiaj> iptables is for ports
2706 [07:06:33] <atiampela> so there is no way
2707 [07:06:35] <atiampela> :(
2708 [07:06:37] <somiaj> again read some docs, or figure it out
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2710 [07:06:41] <somiaj> or as I said, configure samba correctly
2711 [07:07:11] <atiampela> okay. I will look the doc again
2712 [07:07:16] <somiaj> samba can act as the middle man so to speak. The samba process can read/write to the NTFS partition as a single user, and it can be configured as to what users it gives access to what pieces.
2713 [07:07:16] <atiampela> thank you somiaj
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2716 [07:07:41] <somiaj> at least it use to be able to do this, and I expect if configured correctly it still can.
2717 [07:07:46] <somiaj> (doesn't use samba)
2718 [07:08:12] <atiampela> okay. I will try :)
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2723 [07:10:30] <somiaj> nvz: not getting much from google. Seems like it is some kernel seetting, related to virtualbox and multithreading, but not quite sure yet.
2724 [07:11:06] <nvz> yeah its what happened when virtualbox caused an OOM
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2726 [07:11:57] <nvz> which was the only thing I found so far prior to the freeze but that was at about 2300 local time, and the machine wasnt hardbooted until about 0130 local time and there are logs from smartd and such afterward
2727 [07:12:26] <somiaj> nvz: could just mean 'enhanced multi-threading' or 'embedded memeory testing', but not finding any clear idea what it means in that case.
2728 [07:12:32] <nvz> I had him try Ctrl+Alt+F1 and Al+Sysrq+K before hardbooting, neither did anything and his mouse wasnt moving
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2731 [07:13:23] <nvz> and my remote mosh connecion was lost and it wasn responding to pings
2732 [07:13:29] <nvz> so it was out to lunch
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2807 [08:08:36] <alaing> good morning, I wonder if someone can help me install nodejs using deb. I have a Dockerfile which used to work but now nodejs dev team have moved the source file I need to update this one line in my Dockerfile
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2825 [08:22:27] <somiaj> alaing: debian doesn't offically supporte nodejs, but I hear the upstream packages integrate with debian quite well. Are you using the packages from upstream? If so you should check their changelogs/docs for any changes.
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2828 [08:24:16] <alaing> Hi somiaj this the RUN command which has recently stopped working replaced-url
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2830 [08:25:10] <somiaj> I don't use nodejs so I won't be of much help. I was just checking if you were using the upstream nodejs packages, and also maybe you look for support more speicfic to nodejs and docker. There maybe users here who could help (I'm not one).
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2834 [08:25:43] <alaing> the source seems to have been moved into specific version folders
2835 [08:25:45] <alaing> replaced-url
2836 [08:25:50] <alaing> ie ^
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2840 [08:26:21] <alaing> I'm not familiar with deb command
2841 [08:26:41] <somiaj> deb is not a command, that is just a source you can add to your sources.list (deb is a configuration option)
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2846 [08:27:47] <somiaj> but these are thrid party, and I was trying to point you to a place you can more likely get support for those third party repos/software. Note nodejs is popular, so maybe if you lurk around here someone can help, you just may get better help using upstream support.
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2850 [08:28:48] <alaing> thanks somiaj, interestingly if I comment out that line in my DockerFile it does install nodejs but only version 4.x
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2852 [08:29:35] <alaing> replaced-url
2853 [08:29:40] <somiaj> seems if you go to the package that hosts those sources, they give you the exact command to type (note it runs a bash script, so you best trust them) and it should set everythig up for you.
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2855 [08:30:01] <somiaj> yea, I'm there, they tell you exactly what to type to download a script and run it.
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2857 [08:31:14] <somiaj> update your instructions, they must have changed things. The instructions you pasted don't match what I see on that site
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2864 [08:32:24] <poranek> is any package creating channel?
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2868 [08:32:51] <somiaj> poranek: do you want to just learn to created .deb packages, or do you want to create .deb packages for the debian archive?
2869 [08:32:51] <alaing_> hmmm, good point about whether to trust the bash script file
2870 [08:33:23] <poranek> somiaj: i create package but have a trouble with this
2871 [08:33:33] <somiaj> alaing: I'm just poitning out they have a sript that automates things, since you want to install node.js, you most likely trust them enough already.
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2875 [08:33:55] <somiaj> poranek: I may not be able to help, I was asking what your goal is with creating this package. Also have you checked out the new matainers guide?
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2880 [08:34:58] <poranek> somiaj: I created package and send it using dput but not have a sponsor and not send any bug report
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2882 [08:35:31] <somiaj> poranek: so your goal is to get the package into debian. Anyways you most likely don't have privlages to upload stuff to debian so your request is ignored.
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2884 [08:35:47] <somiaj> poranek: have you read the info on mentors.debian.net? You can create an account and upload things thtere.
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2886 [08:36:01] <poranek> yes, I read this guide
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2888 [08:36:23] <poranek> yes, i create account but have trouble with uploading
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2890 [08:36:35] <poranek> this is a core of my trouble ;-)
2891 [08:36:36] <somiaj> poranek: replaced-url
2892 [08:36:51] <somiaj> poranek: did you create a gpg key, assoicate it with your account and sign your package?
2893 [08:37:08] <somiaj> poranek: did you make sure to include 'mentors' in your dput command.
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2898 [08:39:23] <poranek> yes, i create a gpg, sign it , i send package.changes using dput and get message: sucessfull but nothing hapened
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2902 [08:39:52] <poranek> i not receive any email , no get any information, and my web page with package not appear
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2904 [08:40:05] <alaing_> `. /etc/os-release ; release="${VERSION#* (}" ; release="${release%)}" ; ` if i echo out $VERSION i get this follow: 9 (stretch). how do I get just "stretch from that env var?
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2906 [08:40:13] <poranek> this is very very small package, only one file
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2914 [08:41:06] <poranek> somiaj: if You need i can send You a binary package or source
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2918 [08:41:28] <somiaj> poranek: Please keep conversation in the channel. And anyways, I'm unsure what the issue could be then. I have only used this service once and I got an email fairly quickly after I ran dput saying the package was upoloaded, and I could then go and view it assoicated with my account.
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2920 [08:41:49] <poranek> I create bin/source repository on salsa.debian.org
2921 [08:42:02] <somiaj> poranek: maybe something small is missing. I don't know, you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, as you will get actual DD's there, Im' mostly a hobbist.
2922 [08:42:10] <poranek> somiaj: I send only link
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2924 [08:42:35] <somiaj> poranek: no need to send me the package, you need to get it on the mentors site, and it seems you have followed the instructions, and I don't know enough to debug it further
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2927 [08:43:09] <somiaj> poranek: that's okay, still others might have been intersted. No harm done, I just like to let people know I prefer the whole conversation stay in public.
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2933 [08:44:40] <somiaj> alaing_: you may find lsb_release a bit more relaiable. Otherwise you'll have to do some shell scripting or other language to extract 9 (stretch) from that.
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2937 [08:45:01] <somiaj> alaing_: but lsb_release -c will give you stretch
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2941 [08:45:36] <somiaj> (well almost, lsb_release -c | awk '{print $2;}' will)
2942 [08:46:27] <poranek> somiaj: ok, i use dput too. When You send package , you package apear in mentors.debian/net/package/<here name package> ?
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2944 [08:46:53] <poranek> I send sucessfuly but this package not have web page
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2948 [08:47:02] <somiaj> poranek: in the top right, there is a link 'My Packages', I saw the package there.
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2952 [08:48:27] <somiaj> poranek: if you do not see your package there, my guess is some issue with the signing the package or the account configuration. As I said, I got an email confirmation fairly quickly, and don't know enough details to help you debug this further.
2953 [08:48:34] <somiaj> precise: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
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2955 [08:49:18] <somiaj> precise: replaced-url
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3017 [09:22:26] <FEAR000> hi
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3038 [09:30:55] <cheapie> rant: Fine, then I'll do it here.
3039 [09:30:56] <cheapie> Hi!
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3117 [10:15:30] <hassoon[work]> "morning
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3119 [10:15:48] <rant> in some places that is a fact
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3123 [10:16:48] <slax0r> replaced-url
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3154 [10:26:36] <Luneburg> How can I remove all traces of firefox from my system?
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3157 [10:28:54] <blaztek> apt remove --purge --autoremove firefox-esr; rm -rf ~/.mozilla
3158 [10:29:06] <blaztek> would that work?
3159 [10:29:38] <Luneburg> blztek: Thanks! I'm guessing the purge uninstalls the firefox itself, and then the rm -rf deletes the user profile file?
3160 [10:30:12] <blaztek> you got it!
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3171 [10:31:40] <briner> hi, In some cases, I have a apt or dpkg broken.
3172 [10:31:54] <briner> Is there a way to check if they are broken or not.
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3176 [10:33:34] <limbo_> Luneburg: apkg/apt don't do anything in your home folder.
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3179 [10:34:23] <limbo_> Why do you want to get rid of all traces?
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3182 [10:34:43] <rant> briner: you try install something and it'll tell you.. alternatively use an interactive package manager like synaptic or aptitude
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3185 [10:35:14] <Luneburg> limbo_: ;)
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3187 [10:35:58] <briner> rant: I'm managing a lot of servers. And I'd like to have a script to see if apt and dpkg are in a good health.
3188 [10:36:20] <skizzy> i messed up my xorg on debian. i tried installing 32bit nvidia drivers which mentioned that i needed 32bit xserver-xorg-core. well this removed all amd64 packages
3189 [10:36:23] <limbo_> Good health?
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3191 [10:36:54] <skizzy> how can i get my old debian xfce back? i also did sudo apt autoremove trying to go back to amd64 so it removed like everything
3192 [10:37:05] <limbo_> skizzy: you can get a list of all of the packages that got uninstalled from your logs.
3193 [10:37:10] <limbo_> grep is goos
3194 [10:37:12] <rant> briner: it would be very bad administration to script around those tools parsing any output.. do you know python?
3195 [10:37:12] <limbo_> *good
3196 [10:37:18] <skizzy> where is that log an apt log?
3197 [10:37:22] <jelly> briner: apt-get -f install should not report non-zero status; if you -s (--dry-run), it also won't actually do anything
3198 [10:37:24] <briner> limbo_: yeah.. sometimes you ask to install something and it tells you that you must first run something like "dpkg -recongigure -a " or a "apt-get install -f"
3199 [10:37:46] <rant> jelly: I was going to suggest that but didnt think about the exit codes
3200 [10:38:02] <limbo_> skizzy: in /var/log/ apt,aptitude,dpkg etc..
3201 [10:38:07] <jelly> dpkg --configure -a is also nice but not does handle apt
3202 [10:38:07] <skizzy> now i have no internet on my box. they changed it from ifconfig up or whatever it was
3203 [10:38:07] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, jelly
3204 [10:38:35] <skizzy> limbo_, ok will look in there but will need connectivity to download the packages
3205 [10:38:36] <rant> definaely did dpkg, definately did
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3211 [10:39:48] <limbo_> skizzy: or apt-offline, or an install CD.
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3213 [10:40:06] <briner> so what could I do ?
3214 [10:40:07] <skizzy> limbo_, but is there a command to bring up eth0 now?
3215 [10:40:14] <skizzy> dhclient worked in recovery mode
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3221 [10:41:25] <limbo_> briner: Are you looking for broken packages specifically, or any problems whatsoever?
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3225 [10:41:58] <limbo_> IME, just running apt-get update periodically reports some problems.
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3227 [10:42:39] <briner> limbo_: I'm trying to find a way to ensure that dpkg and apt-get are healthy. That way, I'll be sure that unattende-upgrades will work.
3228 [10:43:35] <limbo_> When's the last time it broke, and could you have fixed it with a script you wrote ahead of time?
3229 [10:43:47] <skizzy> on debian stretch what is the command to bring the default ethernet up? it now has this ip command
3230 [10:44:10] <limbo_> briner: also, get the server to send you emails meant for root.
3231 [10:44:25] <jelly> skizzy: something like ifup eth0
3232 [10:44:28] <limbo_> also, public service amnnouncement: install etckeeper
3233 [10:44:38] <rant> limbo_: kudos on that rationale ;)
3234 [10:44:51] <skizzy> jelly, not found
3235 [10:44:52] <jelly> skizzy: assuming "eth0" is configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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3237 [10:44:59] <limbo_> skizzy: when you fix your system, install etckeeper It'd get your ass right out of this situation.
3238 [10:45:03] <jelly> skizzy: what is not found?
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3240 [10:45:10] <skizzy> ifup is not found
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3242 [10:45:29] <jelly> skizzy: make sure /sbin is in root's PATH
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3245 [10:46:04] <skizzy> wow my system is totally screwed up
3246 [10:46:22] <skizzy> grr. I just want my home directory and a fresh stretch i guess
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3249 [10:46:37] <briner> "apt-get install -f" will try to fix-broken packages. What about an option like: "show-me-if-broken"
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3251 [10:46:56] <skizzy> i went to /sbin and ran dhclient, got my network up
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3255 [10:47:57] <rant> briner: or like "if you -s (--dry-run), it also won't actually do anything"
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3257 [10:48:35] <briner> what about: dpkg-query -W -f='${db:Status-Abbrev} ${binary:Package}\n' | grep -E ^.[^nci]
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3262 [10:50:37] <jelly> briner: what about adding -s (--dry-run)?
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3264 [10:51:43] <rant> jelly: thats illegal in a lot of places
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3266 [10:52:00] <jelly> !moo
3267 [10:52:01] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
3268 [10:52:37] <Luneburg> o_o
3269 [10:53:03] <rant> I was gonna say beating a dead horse, but cow works too..
3270 [10:53:57] <briner> jelly: seems good too as I have a "1 not fully installed or removed."
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3274 [10:57:13] <han-solo> how dare thee speak of cow like that....
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3277 [10:57:55] <han-solo> kidding :}
3278 [10:58:41] * rant thinks he hears the faint distant sound of one hand clapping
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3281 [10:59:23] <skizzy> is there a way to just reinstall debian over my old one and keep my home directory?
3282 [10:59:47] <skizzy> I copy it but all i have are windows partitions available on usb drives
3283 [11:00:01] <rant> skizzy: is your homedir on a seperae partition?
3284 [11:00:16] <skizzy> no, good idea though for next time
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3287 [11:01:14] <limbo_> skizzy: user creation shouldn't overwrite your home folder.
3288 [11:01:29] <rant> skizzy: well if you have a media large enough to hold it, backup with tar or something to one of those, alternatively if you have enough freespace for a root partition say 8-10gb or more, boot a live iso, shrink your partition, make a new one, install to that then convert the old rootfs to a /home
3289 [11:01:41] <limbo_> If you're concerned, don't format the drive, and rename the folder.
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3291 [11:02:21] <rant> installing without formatting is a bad idea.. you could wind up with cruft among other things
3292 [11:02:52] <limbo_> You can delete all of the other folders yourself beforehand. Probably should have mentioned that.
3293 [11:03:14] <rant> yeah well that'd be the idea with converting the rootfs to a /home
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3296 [11:03:31] <skizzy> thatś a few ideas. digesting
3297 [11:03:49] <skizzy> on my raspberry pi and it is putting in strange keystrokes
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3303 [11:04:34] <rant> you can after shrinking the partition and making a new one you can just install normally to the new partition and deal with modifying the old rootfs and fstab and such later or do it first doesnt really matter
3304 [11:04:52] <skizzy> Iḿ trying to remember how does the install handle the windows partition i already have
3305 [11:05:06] <skizzy> I think it just found it and even made a grub menu entry for it
3306 [11:05:24] <rant> doing it after will give you time to save any files outside /home you may want but doing it first will give you more free space to play with
3307 [11:05:38] <skizzy> Iĺl try the partition resizing
3308 [11:05:40] <limbo_> Anyone know how to disable a specific keyboard key?
3309 [11:06:08] * rant hands limbo_ a crude flat instrument
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3311 [11:06:17] <darxmurf> remove the key from the keyboard
3312 [11:06:19] <darxmurf> damn
3313 [11:06:20] <darxmurf> :D
3314 [11:06:21] <rant> heh
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3318 [11:07:09] <rant> you're lucky you even got a response.. I been asking input related questions for a week now on all sorts of channels.. nothing but crickets
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3322 [11:07:44] <rant> the input stuff in linux is more terrifying that the bug blatter beast of trall, a chupacabre, or any of that
3323 [11:08:59] <rant> limbo_: what sort of key and what context do you want it disabled?
3324 [11:09:16] <rant> cause simply making it a binding in something and do nothing comes to mind :P
3325 [11:09:36] * rant could do this in his wm easily
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3328 [11:10:33] <skizzy> maybe iĺl try learning instead of reinstalling. i have all the packages removed. i added most of the x stuff back but it[s just getting a blank screen
3329 [11:10:42] <skizzy> it removed my drivers and everything so i guess thatś why
3330 [11:11:19] <skizzy> so basically i need to get x running from scratch
3331 [11:11:45] <skizzy> and figure out why things like sbin are not in my path when i ctrl alt f1 to another terminal
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3336 [11:12:29] <limbo_> rant: It's the ; key on a hp netbook. The OS reacts like it's being held down, most of the time.
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3339 [11:13:20] <limbo_> I'm using it as a headless server.
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3342 [11:13:42] <nekoseam> :)
3343 [11:13:44] <rant> yeah opening sawfish-ui and setting a binding for 'a' to nothing in global context effectively disables that key
3344 [11:13:45] <limbo_> Was a massive pain in the ass to install the OS,
3345 [11:13:58] <rant> but if the key is reapeating..
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3348 [11:14:04] <rant> that could still cause issues I suppose
3349 [11:14:20] <at0m> limbo_: xmodmap might be able to remap the annoying key to something out of used range
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3351 [11:14:42] <rant> limbo_: my next go a my issue is to try udev.. apparently it can map keys too
3352 [11:14:44] <at0m> limbo_: xmodmap is part of x11-xserver-utils, i think
3353 [11:14:51] <limbo_> X isn't installed.
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3355 [11:14:56] <limbo_> It's a server
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3358 [11:15:26] <at0m> ssh to it and don't do local keyboard
3359 [11:15:33] <rant> replaced-url
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3361 [11:15:52] <rant> two sites outlining udev mapping
3362 [11:16:10] <rant> I havent tried this yet.. burnt out on xkb and evdev
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3364 [11:16:25] <Sepultura> I have a question: If you include MIT or BSD Licensed Libraries in your C++ Projects, do you put any Thanks to the creators anyway?
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3368 [11:17:08] <limbo_> Sepultura: The source files need to retain their copyright notice, and you need to show that your used their code.
3369 [11:17:39] <Sepultura> yes but in the Binaries?
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3371 [11:17:50] <Sepultura> most people do not use the source they download the binaries
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3373 [11:18:05] <limbo_> yes.
3374 [11:18:26] <limbo_> Sepultura: there is no requirement to thank them though. Just to say who they were, and what the license was.
3375 [11:18:29] <Sepultura> In case of MIT you could even make it closed Source
3376 [11:19:03] <Sepultura> but my Project is OSS too
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3379 [11:19:18] <limbo_> attribution is required.
3380 [11:19:24] <nekoseam> wew, 2 AM. probably should get to bed
3381 [11:19:30] <limbo_> rant: thanks. I'll try that.
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3385 [11:22:58] <rant> limbo_: let me know how it goes.. I plan to go at it myself in near future
3386 [11:23:20] <limbo_> do I have to remap all of the keys, or will all of the other ones just work?
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3388 [11:24:22] <rant> idk.. heh.. the linux input layers are like some kinda m c escher creation..
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3391 [11:25:59] <rant> udev, input, evdev, xinput, xkb, xmodmap, they all just become an incomprehensible n-th dimensional space collapsing in on itself that makes it a miracle or merely a very convincing illusion that it works at all
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3396 [11:27:11] <rant> there is probably some small alien that is merely a figment of jelly's imagination actually making us all think I'm typing right now
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3401 [11:27:51] <hauntedd> lol rant
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3405 [11:29:21] <rant> sadly I tell no lies :P
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3407 [11:29:40] <nekoseam> Hey, mind if I take a screenshot of IRC open with your names in it? I can blurr yours out if you wish
3408 [11:29:51] <limbo_> Hi Mom!
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3410 [11:30:10] <rant> there are probly developers who wrote some of this stuff just as surprised as Trump is over winning the election, that it works
3411 [11:30:14] <limbo_> rant: it worked.
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3413 [11:30:38] <rant> limbo_: cool. guess I know where to focus my efforts.. thought udev would be the safe bet.. its never done me wrong
3414 [11:30:58] <limbo_> still shows up as pressed in evtest, but does nothing.
3415 [11:31:17] <rant> good to know
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3418 [11:31:41] <rant> nekoseam: its all being logged and parsed anyhow
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3420 [11:31:57] <nekoseam> I suppose :)
3421 [11:32:04] <rant> I don't, I know
3422 [11:32:18] <limbo_> it may be an insane clusterfuck, but the things you can do with data on linux is something I miss on other OSs.
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3424 [11:32:24] <rant> Piggy is watching you! :P
3425 [11:32:56] <limbo_> if anyone in here doesn't know what xsel and/or xclip are, you're missing out.
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3428 [11:33:13] <rant> limbo_: other OSes are just another way the man keeps you down.. fight the oppression!
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3432 [11:34:33] <Indentist> hello, I was just getting notices from python IDE tools like "eric6" and "spyder" that their newer versions were available. is it possible to request the upgrades of these packages in the repos?
3433 [11:35:24] <rant> Indentist: its possible to request whatever you want.. just don't hold your breath
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3436 [11:35:48] <rant> ,v spyder
3437 [11:35:49] <judd> Package: spyder on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.10-2; wheezy-backports: 2.2.5+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.3.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 3.1.3+dfsg1-3; buster: 3.2.6+dfsg1-2; sid: 3.2.6+dfsg1-2
3438 [11:36:03] <rant> ,v eric6
3439 [11:36:04] <judd> No package named 'eric6' was found in amd64.
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3442 [11:36:46] <jelly> Indentist: newer versions of software in general do not happen within a Debian release.
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3444 [11:37:28] <Indentist> jelly, that means it waits until the next debian, like 10?
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3448 [11:38:17] <rant> unless its made available as a backport.. and doing your own backports is usually pretty simple with the caveat of having to maintain your own updates
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3452 [11:39:15] <Indentist> rant, how do I maintain my own updates?
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3454 [11:39:41] <Indentist> like, when a new version comes, replace the former version with it?
3455 [11:39:41] <rant> Indentist: you keep rebuilding he package and monitoring any security issues or bug fixes
3456 [11:40:07] <rant> like with spyder 3.1.3 is in Stretch, but 3,2,6 is in sid..
3457 [11:40:10] <Indentist> rant, it is not my own package. how can I monitor it at that level?
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3460 [11:40:41] <rant> its not real straightforward but if you're backporting from sid you can just monitor the changelogs or bug reports for that
3461 [11:40:46] <rant> !ssb
3462 [11:40:47] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3464 [11:41:45] <Sepultura> replaced-url
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3494 [11:57:14] <limbo_> No, it shouldn't.
3495 [11:57:21] <limbo_> well, it can't.
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3504 [12:00:45] <QQG3mb3l> .
3505 [12:00:48] <QQG3mb3l> test on
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3507 [12:01:17] <QQG3mb3l> .
3508 [12:01:56] <hassoon[work]> point
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3511 [12:02:22] <QQG3mb3l> hooh
3512 [12:03:11] <Sepultura> is codeplex.org malicious?
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3565 [12:25:05] <Indentist> rant, thank you for the information
3566 [12:25:07] <Luneburg> when I do pptp SERVERNAME, I get The remote system is required to authenticate itself but could not find any suitable secret
3567 [12:25:28] <Luneburg> Even though I added the secret?
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3589 [12:36:23] <michael2> hi all. does anyone know how to specify the component (main/non-free/contrib) in an aptitude search? e.g. aptitude search '?installed(?section(main))' ?
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3592 [12:37:29] <Luneburg> In this guide, what does it mean by $DOMAIN? replaced-url
3593 [12:37:36] <Luneburg> Is it just the server IP?
3594 [12:37:42] <RoyK> Luneburg: I don't think I've used pptp for at least a decade - the protocol is full of bugs, and afaik little has happened since rfc2637 was released in 1999 - the rfc isn't even in the standards track
3595 [12:39:04] <Luneburg> RoyK: I understand, but I'm in a situation where PPTP is the best option
3596 [12:39:11] <RoyK> ok
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3603 [12:43:35] <Luneburg> RoyK: Slightly off topic, but when you said "for at least a decade," I immediately thought of 1995, not 2005
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3606 [12:43:48] <RoyK> Luneburg: hehe
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3611 [12:45:38] <michael2> anyone know why: aptitude search '?section(main)' returns nothing? I thought it should print all packages from main?
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3634 [12:53:36] <bites> michael2: yeah, weird. works for contrib and non-free but not for main.
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3638 [12:57:01] <bites> michael2: seems that the section for packages in main split. git for example is in section vcs, exim4 is in section mail
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3640 [12:57:55] <michael2> bites: what command did you run to get those names?
3641 [12:58:21] <kamui_> hi guy
3642 [12:58:22] <bites> just apt-cache show git
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3650 [13:00:02] <michael2> bites: thats a different section - not related to main/non-free... - apt overloads the names..
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3654 [13:00:53] <bites> that's what ?section in aptitude looks at.
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3662 [13:02:45] <michael2> bites: seems you're right
3663 [13:02:48] <bites> aptitude looks at the section in the control file of the package.
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3666 [13:04:40] <jolt> Luneburg: No idea ,but I guess some usernames are specificed like in windows domains: domain\user
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3669 [13:05:06] <jolt> Luneburg: And if you don't have it, then just ignore it
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3721 [13:32:35] <Luneburg> When I go to my network-manager in a virtual machine, and then go into the VPN -> PPTP, all the options are greyed out
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3723 [13:32:37] <Luneburg> Anyone know why?
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3726 [13:33:44] <kamui_> mmm sorry
3727 [13:33:50] <kamui_> i don't know
3728 [13:33:53] <kamui_> :(
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3731 [13:34:30] <kamui_> and in truth, i don't have vpn :)
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3758 [13:53:00] <deface> hi all
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3761 [13:53:04] <deface> please help
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3766 [13:53:41] <deface> i am looking pkg for reed RAM addresses?
3767 [13:53:46] <deface> any ideas?
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3776 [13:57:49] <jelly> deface: userspace is not supposed to read specific physical RAM addresses. If you have memory-mapped devices, the cleanest approach is to write a (kernel module) device driver
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3799 [14:10:58] <user03> hello, i get an error on a fresh installation: lxc-create --name vm1 --logfile $HOME/lxc_vm1.log --logpriority DEBUG -t download Setting up the GPG keyring ERROR: Unable to fetch GPG key from keyserver. lxc-create: lxccontainer.c: create_run_template: 1297 container creation template for vm1 failed
3800 [14:11:07] <user03> can someone help me?
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3820 [14:18:32] <Tarhalindur> Anyone here?
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3822 [14:19:00] <Tarhalindur> I need a bit of help.
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3824 [14:20:03] <Javabean> there are people here, whether or not we can help depends on you question. others who aren't "here" right now but might be better able to help will see your question and answer when they can
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3826 [14:21:11] <Tarhalindur> So I'm trying to install openssh-server, but when I try it fails.
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3829 [14:21:39] <Tarhalindur> I tried with both apt-get and apper.
3830 [14:21:52] <Tarhalindur> Firefox works just fine.
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3833 [14:22:48] <user03> Tarhalindur, what is the error message?
3834 [14:23:04] <Tarhalindur> One moment...
3835 [14:24:21] <Tarhalindur> Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
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3838 [14:25:44] <Tarhalindur> Actually, looks like it's working now.
3839 [14:25:52] <Tarhalindur> Hold on one moment, I'm going to try and ssh myself.
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3847 [14:28:42] <Tarhalindur> Alright, next question. How do you specify port with the ssh command?
3848 [14:30:24] <Johann> what port are you talking about? If it's only the listening port of the ssh server, it's simply -p port
3849 [14:31:02] <Johann> and if you just installed ssh it's listening on port 22
3850 [14:31:02] <Tarhalindur> Sure, I'll try that asap
3851 [14:31:07] <Johann> so you don't have to specify port
3852 [14:31:15] <Tarhalindur> I actually changed it to port 20 for security reasons
3853 [14:31:24] <Tarhalindur> So it would go like:
3854 [14:31:28] <Tarhalindur> ssh -p 20
3855 [14:31:29] <Tarhalindur> ?
3856 [14:31:32] <Johann> yeah
3857 [14:31:36] <Johann> but if you want to know if it's running
3858 [14:31:50] <Tarhalindur> Yes
3859 [14:31:53] <Johann> you'd better look at the list of processes with ps or at the list of open ports with netstat
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3864 [14:33:40] <Johann> something like netstat -ltn
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3870 [14:35:47] <luna> Anyone here is good at dpkg i downloaded MariaDB 10.3.7 but i only wanna install the amd64 deb files but in the directory it has all archs is there any way to specify in dpkg to just install some files?
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3880 [14:37:57] <Tom_-> luna, try installing dpkg -i *amd64.deb
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3882 [14:38:09] <Tom_-> or otherwise using shell wildcards
3883 [14:38:23] <luna> Tom_-: worked thanks :)
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3971 [15:10:07] <ska> Is there a best/standard way to install Firefox quantum on Stretch?
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3973 [15:11:30] <han-solo> apt-cache search <whatever>
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3978 [15:12:52] <themill> ska: there are no packages at this stage; they are likely to come in the next couple of months
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3980 [15:13:32] <ska> themill: So we may see Quantum packages for Stretch stable soon?
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3994 [15:22:29] <rmrfchik> what is sources.list line for squeeze?
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3997 [15:22:44] * rmrfchik is fixing really old and broken debian
3998 [15:23:24] <themill> !squeeze sources.list
3999 [15:23:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
4000 [15:23:39] <themill> also «deb replaced-url
4001 [15:24:46] <rmrfchik> ah, thanks!
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4004 [15:25:30] <hollusion> how do you install dropbox on debian server?
4005 [15:25:32] <hollusion> i couldnt find a package repo
4006 [15:25:48] <hollusion> "nemo-dropbox : Depends: dropbox but it is not installable"
4007 [15:27:33] <cr1mson_king> that is on non-free repository, I think
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4010 [15:29:46] <cr1mson_king> actually, that package cannot be found
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4064 [15:52:39] <bitSt0rm> Do anyone have experience with installing cursor theme for X11?
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4084 [16:03:24] <Stanley678> what virtual machine software works best with debian strech ?\
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4088 [16:04:25] <somiaj> define best? Also do you want to have windows as a vm or not? I personally like qemu-kvm, and I use libvirt/virtmanager to manage the vms
4089 [16:05:24] <somiaj> You can use virtualbox, it is in stretch-backports, and requires you to build a module for it. There is also xen, lxc and others avaiable in stretch.
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4091 [16:07:25] <Stanley678> somiaj: thx
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4109 [16:14:23] <areyouloco> hi I want to build debian package that contains no executive files just some artwork that needs to go to /usr/share/.../... can someone point me to some tutorial how to build package from scratch. I think mostly about debian specific files like debian/control etc.
4110 [16:14:40] <greycat> !nmg
4111 [16:14:40] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
4112 [16:15:05] <han-solo> building a .deb is so much different that .rpm # :}
4113 [16:15:38] <areyouloco> han-solo:yes, I want to build an .deb package
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4115 [16:16:13] <han-solo> areyouloco: i was just saying generally, not to you
4116 [16:16:16] <han-solo> :}
4117 [16:16:23] <han-solo> sorry
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4119 [16:17:41] <areyouloco> han-solo: same for you then. generally speaking:D
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4121 [16:18:15] <han-solo> Yes, i', just reading it as well
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4132 [16:21:16] <bites> areyouloco: if you want to learn about debian packaging and do it the right way, read the nmg. if you just want to build a package an be done with it, write a Makefile and create the package with checkinstall.
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4145 [16:26:38] <bites> areyouloco: this is the makefile i use for most of my stuff. replaced-url
4146 [16:27:22] <areyouloco> nmg stands for New Mainteiner Guide. ok will look into it thanks bites
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4148 [16:28:02] <bites> yeah, what greycat linked earlier.
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4153 [16:31:08] <areyouloco> ok so it's time for point 1. Getting started The Right Way... getting started the right way takes time and shit load of reading... fine by me. I go into lecture. Thx & bye
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4162 [16:36:50] <devrikx> Hello, just did my daily sudo apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and had an issue with being stuck at UTMP runtime level changes... did a search, found it was potentially a video driver issue, so did a reinstall of nvidia driver...now the system boots to login, but no keyboard/mouse... the cursor shows up but mouse wont move, keybaord wont respond at all - in maintenence mode everything works, but nothing in gui. any ideas on how
4163 [16:36:50] <devrikx> to fix? Buster, 4.16.0-1-amd-64
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4177 [16:44:42] <bitSt0rm> devrikx, I'm no expert at this - but have had similar issues previously. I would start out by checking if any .X11 config files got changed. Possibly you could list the files and check the time they were last modified.
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4179 [16:45:35] <bitSt0rm> The X files are located in /etc/ and|or /etc/X11/ I think
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4231 [17:12:35] <jak2000> !ms dpkg source
4232 [17:12:41] <jak2000> !dpkg source
4233 [17:12:41] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
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4235 [17:13:23] <jelly> jak2000: you can /msg dpkg stuff
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4262 [17:25:40] <de-facto> Hi, I would like to install a kiosk GUI where a uses just can interact with one website: i thought minimal debian stretch, Xorg, openbox and chromium in kiosk mode. Any suggestions how to get a minimal attack surface and completely prevent users to close the browser?
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4264 [17:26:17] <greycat> get rid of openbox (or any other WM)
4265 [17:26:36] <greycat> and run the browser in an infinite loop that restarts it if it happens to exit for any reason
4266 [17:26:37] <de-facto> can i run chromium directly in Xorg root window?
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4268 [17:26:46] <greycat> Yes, just like any other program.
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4270 [17:27:08] <greycat> I mean, it won't technically be "in" the root window. It'll be a separate window.
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4274 [17:27:48] <de-facto> do all the GUI elements (like scrollbars and resolution) work in chromium if i dont have a WM in between?
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4276 [17:27:59] <greycat> TIAS
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4278 [17:28:23] <de-facto> huh?
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4280 [17:28:42] <greycat> !TIAS
4281 [17:28:42] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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4284 [17:29:05] <r3> heh
4285 [17:29:16] <de-facto> ah ok
4286 [17:30:08] <de-facto> so firstly i just install Xorg and chromium with minimal deps and play around then i guess
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4292 [17:30:37] <greycat> You could play around on an existing Debian installation. Just write a .xsession file that doesn't run a WM.
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4296 [17:31:03] <de-facto> id have to install it first anyhow
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4304 [17:32:39] <greycat> I'm not sure how to force chromium to run at exactly full-screen size with its upper left corner at (0,0) so that may take some chromium-specific options or configuration.
4305 [17:33:17] <greycat> The .xsession part is really simple, though: while true; do chromium --whatever --options; done
4306 [17:33:23] <drzacek> Hi. Where does i965_dri.so come from? And how can I get debug version of it?
4307 [17:33:56] <de-facto> ok thanks i will try that once i have a minimal debian on the hdd
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4310 [17:35:53] <de-facto> the only option to close chromium in kiosk mode was Alt+F4 before, but i guess without WM even that (hopefully) will be disabled
4311 [17:36:24] <de-facto> but makes sense to run it in a loop anyhow eg. when it crashes or such
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4313 [17:37:55] <greycat> replaced-url
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4320 [17:40:45] <de-facto> thanks
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4327 [17:42:39] <jelly> drzacek: built from mesa sources. See /msg dpkg dbgsym
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4331 [17:43:08] <OS-38463> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 1234XXXX
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4334 [17:44:10] <drzacek> ah thanks
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4336 [17:44:27] <jelly> drzacek: dpkg -S i965_dri.so | awk -F': ' '{print $1}' | xargs dpkg -s
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4340 [17:45:27] <jelly> OS-38463: no. Bad user!
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4349 [17:50:54] <de-facto> hmm can i just "dd" replaced-url
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4356 [17:52:09] <de-facto> is there an official method for putting debian on usb sticks?
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4358 [17:53:01] <bites> cp the iso to the block device is what the installation guide suggests.
4359 [17:53:45] <bites> or use dd if that makes you happy.
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4369 [17:56:50] <DammitJim> what is the software package i need to install on my debian laptop to do: ssh-add
4370 [17:56:59] <greycat> ,file bin/ssh-add
4371 [17:56:59] <DammitJim> and enter the passphrase for my key?
4372 [17:57:03] <judd> Search for bin/ssh-add in stretch/amd64: openssh-client: usr/bin/ssh-add
4373 [17:57:08] <DammitJim> I have a server that says there is no
4374 [17:57:12] <greycat> You need a running ssh-agent, of course.
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4376 [17:57:37] <DammitJim> greycat, is that a service?
4377 [17:57:43] <DammitJim> what package installs ssh-agent?
4378 [17:57:49] <greycat> man ssh-agent, unless you're using the GNOME one
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4380 [17:57:58] <DammitJim> no, no gnome
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4382 [17:58:04] <DammitJim> oh ok, I can see I have ssh-agent running
4383 [17:58:15] <DammitJim> however, ssh-add says: Could not open a connection to your authenticdation agent
4384 [17:58:22] <DammitJim> maybe I need to configure it and I don't remember
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4388 [17:59:34] <RebelCoder> Guys, I have this arm64 debian image but it is missing these two things: update-rc.d and systemctl. I need them to add few of my .sh scripts to run-at-boot. Is there a way to get these services on or is there any other way to make few of my scripts to run on startup ?
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4402 [18:05:08] <Rembo> hello everyone, if i boot on single mode it will appear on syslog log file?
4403 [18:05:18] <de-facto> why is firmware-realtek not included in the netinstall cd? how am i supposed to install vial network without network firmware?
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4406 [18:06:15] <DammitJim> what does eval `ssh-agent` do?
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4409 [18:06:43] <Juesto> hello
4410 [18:06:47] <FinalX> DammitJim: ssh-agent spits out commands you'd execute to set environment variables to the agent
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4412 [18:06:58] <Juesto> why would executables be stripped from initramfs?
4413 [18:07:00] <FinalX> DammitJim: with eval, it executes it for you
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4416 [18:07:32] <Rembo> did someone shutdown or it simply did automaticaly shutdown from load or other issues : replaced-url
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4421 [18:08:31] <Juesto> lsinitramfs -l /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 - replaced-url
4422 [18:08:47] <petn-randall> Rembo: That appears to be a regualr shutdown.
4423 [18:08:58] <bites> de-facto: because the official debian installer only includes free software.
4424 [18:09:05] <bites> !firmware images
4425 [18:09:05] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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4429 [18:09:35] <Juesto> ??
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4432 [18:10:12] <ychaouche> hello #debian
4433 [18:10:22] <petn-randall> Juesto: What problem are you trying to solve? Your question does not make much sense without context.
4434 [18:10:34] <ychaouche> /var/spool/postfix/private is where all of postfix should reside, right ?
4435 [18:10:43] <ychaouche> postfix sockets
4436 [18:10:54] <Juesto> petn-randall: stuff like fsck are missing
4437 [18:10:59] <Juesto> from the initrd
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4439 [18:11:09] <petn-randall> Juesto: How are you creating the initramfs?
4440 [18:11:10] <jelly> ychaouche: why do you ask?
4441 [18:11:24] <Juesto> isn't it a default?
4442 [18:11:32] <ychaouche> I'm trying to have opendkim sockets in there but don't know how for the moment
4443 [18:11:43] <Juesto> petn-randall: update-initramfs -u -k all i guess
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4449 [18:12:20] <DammitJim> oh
4450 [18:12:25] <DammitJim> thanks FinalX
4451 [18:12:33] <ychaouche> jelly: dovecot can create sockets in there, but it gives you the configuration tools to use postfix user and postfix group to create sockets.
4452 [18:12:47] <petn-randall> Juesto: Do you have e2fsprogs installed?
4453 [18:13:35] <Juesto> petn-randall: it's a ext system, fsck exists in the installed system
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4455 [18:13:43] <jelly> ychaouche: ah.
4456 [18:13:53] <ychaouche> it would give a sense of uniformity if I could have all my postfix talking sockets in the same directory.
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4458 [18:14:09] <petn-randall> Juesto: So that's a yes?
4459 [18:14:14] <jelly> mine talk to other services via tcp
4460 [18:14:39] <ychaouche> maybe you have them on different servers ?
4461 [18:14:43] <petn-randall> Juesto: fsck is shipped in util-linux, fsck.ext{2,3,4} is shipped in e2fsprogs.
4462 [18:14:45] <Juesto> yes petn-randall ; the problem here is that's not being included in initramfs
4463 [18:14:51] <jelly> ychaouche: only some :-)
4464 [18:15:05] <ychaouche> Ok.
4465 [18:15:18] <ychaouche> I guess this will be a question for the opendkim mailing list then
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4467 [18:15:36] <de-facto> are there any proper iso's with firmware-realtek included? netinstall just wont work without the firmware, which wont load from usb sticks :(
4468 [18:15:46] <greycat> !firmware images
4469 [18:15:46] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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4471 [18:16:50] <de-facto> how can i fix one of the official images to be able to have network access during installation?
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4477 [18:17:43] <Juesto> what then
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4484 [18:19:42] <bites> de-facto: as i said before, official images don't have non-free software on them and never will. just use the firmware images if you need to.
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4487 [18:20:10] <RoyK> just download the deb files and install them
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4489 [18:20:14] <RoyK> should work
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4491 [18:20:25] <RoyK> via a pendrive or something
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4495 [18:21:43] <Juesto> I'm having issues, missing utilities in initramfs
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4497 [18:22:15] <Juesto> keymap, fsck, kmod, resume are empty hooks/nothing added
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4507 [18:24:48] <de-facto> bites, which firmware images? where can i find those iso's?
4508 [18:25:06] <bites> !firmware images
4509 [18:25:06] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
4510 [18:25:21] <bites> de-facto: ^
4511 [18:25:56] <de-facto> thanks a lot :)
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4522 [18:29:59] <ychaouche> jelly: fortunately, opendkim has a UserID configruation option and I can run opendkim as the postfix user.
4523 [18:30:08] <ychaouche> jelly: inspired by : replaced-url
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4536 [18:36:38] <petn-randall> Juesto: You need both packages installed. Also, what is the output of `update-initramfs -k all`?
4537 [18:37:28] <Juesto> petn-randall: nothing interesting only missing firmware modules
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4571 [18:48:56] <Juesto> petn-randall: those mentioned packages are indeed installed
4572 [18:49:25] <Juesto> but nothing is added during the respective hook calls during the generation
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4574 [18:51:05] <petn-randall> Juesto: No idea then
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4576 [18:51:23] <Juesto> someone else?
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4582 [18:53:35] <jhutchins> Juesto: What symptoms are you seeing?
4583 [18:53:59] <Juesto> jhutchins: see the paste of the initramfs
4584 [18:54:47] <Juesto> initrd can't check the root and will refuse to mount if it's ever damaged
4585 [18:55:07] <Juesto> or any incoherences
4586 [18:55:15] <greycat> wooledg:~$ lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 | grep fsck
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4588 [18:55:19] <greycat> I get three lines of output
4589 [18:55:24] <jhutchins> Juesto: That's just a list of files. I asked what symptoms were you addressing? What's happening that you think should not?
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4591 [18:56:24] <Juesto> jhutchins: i just said so, the boot process would be stuck if the rootfs has any incoherences
4592 [18:56:45] <Juesto> because it wouldn't be able to get checked nor mounted
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4594 [18:57:10] <Juesto> btrfs stuff gets added but not fsck
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4596 [18:57:54] <t3st3r> Juesto> what exactly you want to do with fsck on btrfs?
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4598 [18:58:19] <greycat> More to the point, what type of file system *is* your root fs?
4599 [18:58:35] <Juesto> t3st3r: let initrd ensure the fs is fine?
4600 [18:58:43] <Juesto> rootfs is ext4
4601 [18:58:52] <t3st3r> its fsck is "dummy", and it generally meant NOT to crash badly on its own...
4602 [18:59:09] <Juesto> it's not being added....
4603 [18:59:33] <Juesto> it should so it's able to verify the fs before booting
4604 [18:59:57] <t3st3r> There is no real point to add this dummy.
4605 [19:00:03] <Juesto> it's not crashing, it's getting skipped, t3st3r
4606 [19:00:06] <greycat> His root fs is ext4, not btrfs.
4607 [19:00:13] <greycat> Or so he claims.
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4609 [19:00:19] <jhutchins> Juesto: So nothng's going wrong, you just don't understand why it doesn't look like you expect.
4610 [19:00:22] <Juesto> not just the dummy but the e2fs tools
4611 [19:00:40] <Juesto> i don't know why it's adding btrfs stuff but not fsck
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4613 [19:00:51] <greycat> Juesto: clearly nobody here knows how to help you and half of the people responding are just making it worse :(
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4616 [19:00:58] <t3st3r> I just wanted to tell bothering self about fsck for btrfs <anywhere> is rather pointless. Just that.
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4618 [19:01:14] <Juesto> oh well
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4620 [19:01:19] <greycat> Juesto: you may have to figure out on your own exactly what you changed from the regular Debian stable process that builds initrd images with fsck.ext* tools
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4622 [19:01:45] <Juesto> greycat: nothing, it's the debian maintained initramfs-tools
4623 [19:01:50] <greycat> Maybe it was something you did when you introduced btrfs, or maybe now. I have no idea.
4624 [19:01:55] <t3st3r> Btrfs either works and recovers reasonably on mount/from RAID/etc or one really have to better take a manual look on totally screwed thing...
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4626 [19:02:05] <greycat> 12:58 Juesto> rootfs is ext4
4627 [19:02:10] <Juesto> i did not introduce btrfs at all, greycat
4628 [19:02:27] <Juesto> for some reason my system is detected as raid6
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4630 [19:02:39] <Juesto> it's a laptop
4631 [19:02:41] <greycat> Then why did you MENTION btrfs at all?
4632 [19:02:45] <Juesto> and a single disk
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4634 [19:02:57] <Juesto> greycat: because it's mentioned on the generation
4635 [19:03:04] <Juesto> added instead of fsck
4636 [19:03:16] <greycat> Someone did *something*, even if you don't remember it.
4637 [19:03:23] <Juesto> not me
4638 [19:03:45] <jhutchins> Juesto: What release are you on??
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4640 [19:04:22] <Juesto> jhutchins: initramfs-tools 0.130
4641 [19:04:32] <greycat> Juesto: what release *of debian*
4642 [19:04:52] <jhutchins> Yes, I should have specified.
4643 [19:04:52] <Juesto> does a Debian fork counts?
4644 [19:04:59] <greycat> *plonk*
4645 [19:05:03] <jhutchins> ,v initramfs
4646 [19:05:05] <judd> No package named 'initramfs' was found in amd64.
4647 [19:05:13] <jhutchins> ,v initramfs-tools
4648 [19:05:15] <judd> Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.115~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.120+deb8u3; buster: 0.130; sid: 0.130; stretch: 0.130
4649 [19:05:21] <greycat> Problem solved. Next!
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4652 [19:05:27] <Juesto> lol
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4656 [19:06:17] <Juesto> greycat: no not really solved
4657 [19:06:24] * jhutchins suspects systemd
4658 [19:06:42] <Juesto> what
4659 [19:06:48] <jhutchins> Juesto: Yes, really solved. Install Debian Stable, "problem" goes away.
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4661 [19:06:52] <greycat> dpkg, blame jhutchins
4662 [19:06:52] * dpkg blames x10 and jhutchins for all the evil in the world
4663 [19:06:56] <Juesto> ....
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4669 [19:07:26] <jhutchins> !based on debian
4670 [19:07:26] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
4671 [19:07:52] <Juesto> I'm saying that initramfs-tools is from Debian
4672 [19:08:21] <t3st3r> it is, but it default configuration could be changed by maintainers hell a lot
4673 [19:08:37] <jhutchins> Juesto: This is EXACTLY the kind of difference we can't account for or answer.
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4677 [19:09:08] <jhutchins> Juesto: We know that Debian Stable does not do this, therefore it's the fact that you're not running Debian Stable that makes the difference.
4678 [19:09:17] <Juesto> jhutchins: it says maintained by Debian kernel team
4679 [19:09:25] <Juesto> Pfft
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4681 [19:09:35] <Juesto> what a stupid straight out assumption
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4684 [19:09:57] <jhutchins> Juesto: Borne out by years of experience. Please contact your actual distribution's help resources.
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4686 [19:10:19] <bitSt0rm> tar command not working? replaced-url
4687 [19:10:27] <greycat> !doesn't work
4688 [19:10:27] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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4691 [19:12:01] <bitSt0rm> Sorry - When I use the command tar -xvzf on file.tar.gz i get an error: tar: -xvzf: Cannot open: No such file or directory
4692 [19:12:02] <bitSt0rm> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting nowtar: -xvzf: Cannot open: No such file or directory
4693 [19:12:04] <bitSt0rm> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting nowYes
4694 [19:12:25] <brw> tar definitely sits on the couch all day long.
4695 [19:12:36] <greycat> bitSt0rm: you must have typed something like "tar -f -xvzf" or else you made a tar alias/function/script that's overriding /usr/bin/tatr
4696 [19:12:52] <bitSt0rm> Hmm
4697 [19:13:05] <jhutchins> bitSt0rm: Try the full path to the file.
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4699 [19:13:21] <Juesto> so narrow minded......
4700 [19:13:24] <Juesto> bad support
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4703 [19:13:36] <greycat> I'm ... going to consider attempting to open his URL. If I don't come back, please send the search dogs.
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4705 [19:13:52] <greycat> ...
4706 [19:13:56] <jhutchins> Juesto: If you can reproduce it in Debian Stable we'll be glad to help.
4707 [19:14:05] <bitSt0rm> greycat - I made an alias and didn't reload my shell. It works now! ^^
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4709 [19:14:08] <greycat> ... it's not text. It is some kind of image. Helping mode disabled.
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4713 [19:14:26] <bitSt0rm> *Didn't reload when I disabled it again
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4717 [19:15:18] <Juesto> it's a screenshot of the issue
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4730 [19:22:21] <birdbolt1> hallo hallo
4731 [19:22:28] <birdbolt1> i seek a good text editor
4732 [19:22:41] <birdbolt1> I installed sublime via snap and it was too tiny on the screen
4733 [19:22:54] <birdbolt1> Resizing it didnt work as it reverted after 3 secs or so
4734 [19:22:59] <Juesto> birdbolt1: apt serch text editor
4735 [19:23:00] <greycat> da FUCK is snap and why do people keep mentioning it here
4736 [19:23:11] <birdbolt1> greycat, do u play UT?
4737 [19:23:16] <birdbolt1> i know someoen with that username
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4739 [19:23:22] <greycat> I do not.
4740 [19:23:43] <birdbolt1> snap apparently is something of a project; they build linux programs in a way that it runs on all linux
4741 [19:23:58] <birdbolt1> Thats the best i know. very welcome project
4742 [19:24:05] <greycat> Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when you wrote that.
4743 [19:24:09] <Juesto> birdbolt1: please don't come here for stuff not from debian. you can adjust the DPI of your DE, check sublime's config. please don't use unsupported ports.
4744 [19:24:13] <birdbolt1> no more of this packaging left and right, stuff being available in one system and not the other
4745 [19:24:37] <birdbolt1> Juesto, got it
4746 [19:24:38] <Juesto> sure, it's completely unsupported
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4771 [19:33:38] <de-facto> so i have got a Ricoh MP 3054 Copier/Scanner/network printer for which i want to configure cups: which driver would have the full functionality?
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4775 [19:34:27] <user03> hi, maybe someone can help me? lxc-create --name vm1 --logfile $HOME/lxc_vm1.log --logpriority DEBUG -t download Setting up the GPG keyring ERROR: Unable to fetch GPG key from keyserver. lxc-create: lxccontainer.c: create_run_template: 1297 container creation template for vm1 failed
4776 [19:34:43] <Juesto> de-facto: search for the one for your model or series, good luck with codenames
4777 [19:36:35] <de-facto> they supply PS/PCL files for "UNIX" on their page: replaced-url
4778 [19:36:55] <de-facto> would i use those or are there any debian packages containing such files?
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4787 [19:41:46] <nekoseam> Good morning #debian
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4791 [19:45:14] <de-facto> the pc got two realtek network nic's: how do i configure one of them to get an ip via dhcp and the other to run an dhcp server? can i do that in /etc/network/interfaces?
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4793 [19:45:34] <de-facto> and how do i get proper network names (eth0, eth1 and such)?
4794 [19:45:46] <greycat> replaced-url
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4797 [19:47:46] <Juesto> oh yeah I'm using Debian testing
4798 [19:48:03] <Juesto> greycat, jhutchins ^
4799 [19:48:08] <Stanley678> I've installed VirtualBox and running a LinuxLite OS on it. But its slow AF. basically unusable. why is that ?
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4805 [19:50:23] <de-facto> so how would i bring up the second network interface which does not show via "ifconfig"?
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4807 [19:50:49] <Juesto> Stanley678: blame virtualbox, this also doesn't belong here. virtualbox lacks acceleration out of box and you should install the guest additions which can end up being problematic. vmware can do hardware acceleration ootb with a option
4808 [19:50:53] <Juesto> setting*
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4811 [19:51:28] <Stanley678> Juesto: vmware now requires modern cpu's :/
4812 [19:51:50] <greycat> replaced-url
4813 [19:52:27] <Juesto> Stanley678: you can use a old version, good luck
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4815 [19:52:56] <greycat> wish they had shown the "ip link" command. oh well.
4816 [19:52:56] <Stanley678> ok i will try that
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4818 [19:53:47] <Juesto> and you're on your own, Stanley678.
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4821 [19:54:57] <de-facto> During installation it showed both ethernet nics, now only one of them seems available. how can i activate the other?
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4823 [19:55:07] <greycat> do they both appear in "ip link"?
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4827 [19:56:15] <de-facto> yes
4828 [19:56:37] <greycat> Then you should be able to put the non-UP one into the dhcpd conf file.
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4830 [19:57:33] <de-facto> i have "enp2s0" as uplink to the internet (should get its ip via DHCP) and the "enp4s0" should run a DHCP daemon itself to give the Ricoh printer its ip address
4831 [19:57:43] <greycat> sounds reasonable
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4835 [19:58:11] <de-facto> greycat, do i configure those options in /etc/network/interfaces?
4836 [19:58:17] <greycat> You don't.
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4838 [19:58:27] <greycat> Well, I mean, the enp2s0 one, you do.
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4846 [19:59:08] <greycat> "auto enp2s0" and "iface enp2s0 inet dhcp"
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4850 [19:59:55] <Juesto> you can revert the naming convention for the network interfaces if you wish, de-facto
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4852 [20:00:55] <de-facto> Juesto, i would like, yet in my case its essential the names always refer to the same physical connectors
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4855 [20:01:14] <Logitech> Just discovered DebianDog. I love it! Where has this been my whole life? or rather, where have I been?
4856 [20:01:22] <Guest35862> How can i protect SSH with Two Factor Authentication, preferably via RFC 6238, WITHOUT having to trust a third part like Google
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4858 [20:01:53] <Guest35862> Virtually every SSH 2FA guide i read specifies installing a pam module for Google Authenticator.
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4860 [20:02:05] <Guest35862> Which makes connections to Google servers
4861 [20:02:16] <Guest35862> The thing is, What if you don't trust Google?
4862 [20:02:32] <Juesto> Guest35862: you can use any authenticator
4863 [20:02:44] <Juesto> it's compatible with google iirc
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4865 [20:02:51] <de-facto> greycat, and the dhcpd one? no mentioning in /etc/network/interfaces i guess and some dhcp server software? isc? which one is the default?
4866 [20:02:54] <Guest35862> True, but the server side makes connection to google.com
4867 [20:03:02] <Juesto> don't use Google 2fa/services?
4868 [20:03:10] <greycat> de-facto: did the tutorial that I found in 3 seconds with Google not work?
4869 [20:03:20] <DammitJim> why does Debian freak out when a mount that is specified in /etc/fstab isn't there?
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4871 [20:03:30] <greycat> Because you didn't tell it not to.
4872 [20:03:39] <DammitJim> what is the proper way to let Debian mount a drive only if it's there and move on if it isn't?
4873 [20:03:46] <greycat> All the file systems mentioned in fstab are considered essential to basic system operation unless you mark them as optional.
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4875 [20:04:12] <greycat> DammitJim: man fstab -> nofail
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4877 [20:04:29] <DammitJim> nofail is the key!
4878 [20:04:33] <de-facto> greycat, oh thanks, i did oversee that before
4879 [20:04:35] <DammitJim> thank you
4880 [20:04:45] <Guest35862> yes, Google is the issue. I don't want my servers making connection to google
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4882 [20:05:47] <DammitJim> oh, how weird!
4883 [20:05:52] <DammitJim> the drive was connected
4884 [20:05:59] <DammitJim> but for some reason Debian wasn't seeing it
4885 [20:06:04] <Juesto> Guest35862: Then block google.
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4887 [20:06:11] <Juesto> in your network
4888 [20:06:17] <petn-randall> Guest35862: That RFC does not specify that Google must authenticate. Choose any other service, or set up your own.
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4890 [20:06:47] <Guest35862> petn-randall, do you know of any other 2fa pam authentication library not google?
4891 [20:06:52] <petn-randall> Guest35862: Personally, just disable password auth and use SSH keys.
4892 [20:07:01] <Guest35862> eg, authenticator.so not google-authenticator.so
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4894 [20:07:19] <greycat> This is sounding like "I want to use two-factor authentication because I read about it once and it sounds nifty"
4895 [20:07:57] <Guest35862> greycat, well that's not how it is. I already use 2fa with an offline device. i just would like to use it for ssh as well
4896 [20:07:59] <DammitJim> everyone is talking about 2 factor these days
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4898 [20:08:02] <petn-randall> Guest35862: It's just the name of the app. You can set it up to authenticate against any other server, even your own.
4899 [20:08:05] <greycat> "So, what is the other factor you were planning to use?" "What, you mean I have to PICK something?!?"
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4901 [20:08:37] <Guest35862> greycat, your not adding anything to the conversation by insulting me
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4903 [20:09:00] <petn-randall> greycat: Well, Apple recently introduced 2FA to their root user. Now you need to know the username *and* the password. :P
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4905 [20:10:00] <Juesto> lol
4906 [20:10:06] <Juesto> 2fa for root
4907 [20:10:08] <Juesto> lmao
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4909 [20:11:00] <Juesto> speaking of that I'm not able to authenticate as root via loginwindow nor admin elevation dialogs
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4911 [20:11:24] <Guest35862> the problem i have the the google-authenticator library is that when generating the private key, it links to a google.com/ of a qr code of your key
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4913 [20:11:35] <nekoseam> test1
4914 [20:11:42] <Guest35862> Google has no business knowing my private key
4915 [20:11:44] <petn-randall> nekoseam: Test failed.
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4917 [20:11:47] <nekoseam> umode +R
4918 [20:11:50] <nekoseam> shoot
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4920 [20:11:56] <Guest35862> replaced-url
4921 [20:12:03] <nekoseam> perhaps I need to get to bed
4922 [20:12:56] <Juesto> nice redirect link
4923 [20:13:22] <nekoseam> I've never heard of staticflickr
4924 [20:13:34] <Guest35862> i am aware that i can just type the private key into any RFC compliant 2fa device and have that work, but the server side is the sketchy part
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4926 [20:13:41] <Juesto> it's probably flickr server
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4928 [20:14:10] <Juesto> Guest35862: your key is protected because the server only has the public portion
4929 [20:14:27] <Guest35862> replaced-url
4930 [20:14:47] <nekoseam> dude what are those links
4931 [20:15:14] <Guest35862> you guys didn't like the long redirect link so here is a static link to the file
4932 [20:15:17] <Juesto> nekoseam: aren't those images/screenshots, can't you notice?
4933 [20:15:30] <nekoseam> Yeah but from weird sites
4934 [20:15:47] <Guest35862> define weird site
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4937 [20:17:24] <Juesto> Guest35862: sites that look sketchy, awkward, rare, odd
4938 [20:17:34] <Juesto> telling from the url
4939 [20:17:44] <Guest35862> how tho
4940 [20:17:55] <jelly> your domain name is weird!
4941 [20:18:02] <Juesto> lol
4942 [20:18:06] <jelly> weeeeeiiiiird
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4944 [20:18:35] <Guest35862> it's just a name. weird is subjective i guess
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4947 [20:19:07] <Guest35862> the site's called 'The Null Pointer' so the domain name is fitting in my opinion
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4949 [20:19:27] <bites> now it's less weird.
4950 [20:19:42] <bitSt0rm> Thats 0x3419
4951 [20:19:50] <will_> i've downloaded sublime that runs out of a folder. is there a way to get it in /bin OR SOMETHING
4952 [20:20:24] <Guest35862> will_, copy the binary to /usr/local/bin/
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4954 [20:20:25] <bites> or somethink in your path? symlink in /usr/local/bin/
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4956 [20:20:31] <greycat> will_: what happens if you make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/sublime to /your/directory/not/a/folder/dammit/bin/sublime
4957 [20:20:48] <will_> hmm i didnt think of that
4958 [20:20:49] <will_> ill try
4959 [20:21:09] <bites> you know an answer is good if you get it thrice, lol.
4960 [20:21:16] <Guest35862> greycat, you may have issues if you use filesystem mount option hardening, but otherwise it should work i guess
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4963 [20:22:06] <Guest35862> you can also duct tape your license plat to your car. It would work but you probably should it do cleaner
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4966 [20:23:33] <M_aD> maxdawid: stop spamming in other channels about joining the debian channel, thanks in advance
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4973 [20:26:44] <rant> anyone offhand know of a plugin or something for chromium that can no load or derender a particular ad source.. its poping up a square add over top of content with no way to get at the content behind it
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4975 [20:27:20] <Guest35862> will_, if copying the binary to /usr/local/bin/ will not work for whatever reason, maybe it's Dependant on files being in the same dir as the executable, you could add the downloaded folder to your $PATH
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4978 [20:27:50] <jelly> rant: like, uBlock Origin, whitelist everything except that one particular ad provider?
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4981 [20:28:07] <will_> update-alternatives --set editor /bin/sublime-text
4982 [20:28:07] <will_> update-alternatives: error: alternative /bin/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting
4983 [20:28:10] <Guest35862> you can do that by adding export PATH="$PATH:/home/youruser/Downloads/sublime" to your .bashrc
4984 [20:28:12] <will_> my plan didnt succeed :(
4985 [20:28:25] <greycat> First of all, use /usr/local/bin and not /bin.
4986 [20:28:35] <greycat> Second, manually set the symlink in /etc/alternatives/ if that's what you really want.
4987 [20:28:49] <will_> I thought /bin would make it global
4988 [20:28:50] <will_> for all usuers
4989 [20:28:57] <greycat> Third, set the VISUAL and EDITOR environment variables in your own login session/profile so you don't have to worry about alternatives.
4990 [20:29:08] <greycat> /bin is reserved for Debian; /usr/local/bin is reserved for you
4991 [20:29:09] <Guest35862> will_, /bin is for basic system binaries like ls, cat, dd
4992 [20:29:14] <greycat> both are in the default PATH for all users
4993 [20:29:15] <will_> ohh
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4995 [20:29:44] <Guest35862> you can see your current set $PATH by $echo $PATH
4996 [20:29:52] <will_> in /etc/alternatives/, am I symlinking to the sublime binary?
4997 [20:29:57] <Guest35862> yes
4998 [20:30:06] <greycat> Where does it link right now?
4999 [20:30:18] <will_> to /bin/sublime-text
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5001 [20:30:20] <will_> gonne delete that
5002 [20:30:23] <Guest35862> greycat, $cat $EDITOR
5003 [20:30:32] <greycat> I thought you said your update-alternatives didn't work.
5004 [20:30:48] <will_> it did not
5005 [20:30:58] <greycat> But /etc/alternatives/editor was actually changed...?
5006 [20:30:58] <will_> i manually added the symlink in /bin
5007 [20:31:04] <will_> oh noooo
5008 [20:31:06] <will_> it wasnt
5009 [20:31:34] <will_> created a symlink in /bin, then tried update-alternatives using that symlink
5010 [20:31:46] <will_> and it didnt work, saying it wasnt egistered. not sure what that mean
5011 [20:31:49] <greycat> update-alternatives is only for Debian packages
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5013 [20:32:10] <will_> aah so only stuiff that came from apt
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5015 [20:32:44] <will_> does this mean there is no where to make `editor $args` launch a binary of my choosing
5016 [20:32:50] <will_> no way*+
5017 [20:33:02] <greycat> 14:28 greycat> Second, manually set the symlink in /etc/alternatives/ if that's what you really want.
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5019 [20:33:20] <will_> whops missed that trying now
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5027 [20:34:38] <will_> lol what did i do wrong again
5028 [20:34:39] <will_> update-alternatives --set editor /etc/alternatives/sublime-textupdate-alternatives: error: alternative /etc/alternatives/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting
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5030 [20:35:03] <greycat> MANUALLY
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5033 [20:35:11] <greycat> ln -sf
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5035 [20:35:33] <will_> very highly upvoted on SO
5036 [20:35:34] <will_> update-alternatives --set editor /etc/alternatives/sublime-textupdate-alternatives: error: alternative /etc/alternatives/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting
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5038 [20:35:39] <will_> ugh sorry
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5041 [20:36:14] <will_> To create or update a symlink:
5042 [20:36:14] <will_> ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink
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5044 [20:36:24] <jelly> if you want to use alternatives you have to register one first. This is typically done in installation scripts if the package maintainer is sane
5045 [20:36:25] <will_> What do you mean by "manual"
5046 [20:36:34] <greycat> 14:35 greycat> MANUALLY
5047 [20:36:35] <greycat> 14:35 greycat> ln -sf
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5050 [20:36:52] <will_> yes yes i get it "manually" but im trying to learn as well
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5052 [20:37:02] <will_> whats difference ebtween -s and -sf
5053 [20:37:02] <greycat> jelly: he's not using a package
5054 [20:37:06] <greycat> will_: man ln
5055 [20:37:06] <will_> what makes -sf "manual"
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5058 [20:37:22] <greycat> will_: It's the "ln" part that is manual, versus update-alternatives which is "automatic".
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5063 [20:38:06] <jelly> grep 'update-alternatives.*editor' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
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5065 [20:38:13] <ox16p> szukam polskich sponsorów
5066 [20:38:23] <jelly> update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /usr/bin/joe 70
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5068 [20:39:07] <greycat> jelly: It's been 20 minutes and he's still struggling with "ln -sf"
5069 [20:39:08] <jelly> ox16p: maybe ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
5070 [20:39:20] <rant> jelly: thanks that works nicely
5071 [20:39:27] <jelly> greycat: hey, at least noone's judging my choice in editors
5072 [20:39:41] <ox16p> jelly: ok, thx
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5076 [20:40:29] <jelly> will_: running ln manually makes its running manual
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5090 [20:43:50] <will_> this is where the symlink lives now
5091 [20:43:51] <will_> To create or update a symlink:
5092 [20:43:51] <will_> ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink
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5096 [20:44:16] <jelly> will_: do not mess with alternatives manually, tho
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5104 [20:44:29] <will_> lol lots of conflicting directives here haha
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5106 [20:44:38] <greycat> jelly: seriously, you think he's going to be able to grok that "registering an alternative" nonsense?
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5110 [20:44:52] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
5111 [20:44:57] <will_> my end goal is to be able to have `editor $args` working with sublime
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5113 [20:45:03] <will_> instead of the limited nano
5114 [20:45:11] <greycat> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime /etc/alternatives/sublime
5115 [20:45:17] <greycat> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime /etc/alternatives/editor
5116 [20:45:30] <greycat> forget the first one
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5118 [20:45:50] <jelly> I think that breaks any further update-alternatives --config editor
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5121 [20:45:58] <greycat> I think he won't care
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5125 [20:46:00] <jelly> but have any actually checked
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5127 [20:46:06] <jelly> not* checked
5128 [20:46:06] <will_> ugh i just saw my last couple of responses
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5130 [20:46:11] <will_> pasted the wrong stuff again
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5132 [20:46:32] <will_> the symlink is currently here /etc/alternatives/sublime-text
5133 [20:46:38] <greycat> *fuck*
5134 [20:46:41] <greycat> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime /etc/alternatives/editor
5135 [20:46:42] <will_> so i remove that?
5136 [20:46:47] <greycat> *plonk*
5137 [20:46:52] <greycat> I am DONE with this shit.
5138 [20:46:54] <will_> lmao
5139 [20:47:43] <Juesto> registering alternative > manually symlinking
5140 [20:47:57] <phogg> registering alternatives is not very hard
5141 [20:48:13] <greycat> phogg: we spent 30 minutes trying to get him to make one. fucking. symlink.
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5144 [20:48:44] <phogg> greycat: Okay. Registering alternatives *should not be* very hard for anyone of ordinary skill.
5145 [20:49:07] <will_> okay okay
5146 [20:49:10] <will_> clean slate
5147 [20:49:14] <will_> when does the symlink go
5148 [20:49:17] <will_> where
5149 [20:49:32] <Juesto> same location i assume
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5263 [20:53:11] <nekoseam> uhh
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5266 [20:53:16] <nekoseam> test can anyone see this
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5274 [20:53:31] <bites> is there anybody out there?
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5276 [20:53:35] <nekoseam> yes
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5278 [20:53:36] <nekoseam> hi
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5282 [20:53:44] <babilen> You guys need help?
5283 [20:53:45] <han-solo> YES, YOU ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA CO. NOW
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5285 [20:53:54] <han-solo> :}
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5287 [20:53:57] <Juesto> a netsplit just happened don't freak out
5288 [20:54:06] <nekoseam> What's a good colorful icon set that's in Debian's repository
5289 [20:54:15] <nekoseam> I was spooked because I just restarted my router
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5302 [20:56:17] <Resilience> I was in the middle of a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and I pushed ctrl-C and got this message: "W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish", wat can I do to make the dist-upgrading end?
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5305 [20:56:37] <greycat> Just run it again.
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5309 [20:58:05] <Resilience> greycat, it was no downloading, it was processig triggers for menu... doe snot matter? I have ran it again and it says it has nothing to do
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5344 [21:01:33] <hanasaki> how do you do basic auth with wget? tried --user= and password= however no work. postman works fine with the header manually added
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5346 [21:01:52] <jelly> hanasaki: replaced-url
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5355 [21:03:17] <jelly> hanasaki: if you have @ or : in either, urlencode them (@ = %%40)
5356 [21:03:21] <jelly> er, %40
5357 [21:04:05] <chisight> i'm experiencing some frustration with debian. :-( a default gnome install of stretch with classic taskbar and have multiple monitors. i often lose the mouse cursor and just wiggle it to find it. when i do, the activities overview often occurs. is there an easy way to stop activities overview from ever activating (ever!!)?
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5359 [21:04:24] <kline> is replaced-url
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5363 [21:08:15] <karlpinc> I booted with an installer and shrunk the root file system. After that the bootloader complained that it could not find something, I forget what. So I tried booting with the installer and mounting the root fs and chrooting into the mount. But running "install-grub" there gets me a bus error. If I try using the "install bootloader" menu item in the installer it tells me I have to install the base system first. But I don't want to do
5364 [21:08:15] <karlpinc> that because it will overwrite my root fs -- right? What's the way forward and what is this "bus error" stuff about. (uname -a also gets me a bus error when run from within the chroot.)
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5366 [21:08:26] <babilen> judd: v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
5367 [21:08:27] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b1; buster/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b3; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b3
5368 [21:08:32] <babilen> kline: ^
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5372 [21:09:59] <kline> babilen, the wiki indicates i need this as well as the pepperflash-nonfree package - do i only need the one in fact?
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5389 [21:15:23] <kline> babilen, yeah, even after installing that package, chromium still doesnt appear to be able to display flash files, offering them as a download instead
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5418 [21:32:37] <nymb242> Hello
5419 [21:32:42] <nymb242> anyone around?
5420 [21:32:46] <kline> sure
5421 [21:33:10] <nymb242> I'm looking to set up a desktop on a dedicated server with debian 9
5422 [21:33:13] <mnuhmnuh> ping
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5424 [21:33:35] <nymb242> but I have ZERO linux knowledge. :/
5425 [21:33:40] <karlpinc> nymb242: So what is your question?
5426 [21:33:51] <greycat> I don't understand "desktop" + "dedicated server".
5427 [21:34:03] <mnuhmnuh> nymb242: details! :-)
5428 [21:34:06] <greycat> Is it a server, or is it a desktop machine?
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5430 [21:34:29] <nymb242> ultimately, that would be the question: how do I set up a desktop environment in debian 9?
5431 [21:34:31] <karlpinc> More importantly, is it physical and sitting in front of you?
5432 [21:34:32] <nymb242> it's a server
5433 [21:34:44] <mnuhmnuh> greycat: desktop env. running on a server box.
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5437 [21:35:05] <greycat> You set up a desktop environment on your personal desktop or laptop machine by selecting one and then running some "apt install" command.
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5439 [21:35:13] <greycat> mnuhmnuh: nonsense.
5440 [21:35:27] <greycat> Why would you put a desktop environment on a server? It'll never be used.
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5442 [21:35:52] <karlpinc> nymb242: Best plan: go to debian.org and read the installation instructions. You will probably be best served by using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included.
5443 [21:35:59] <mnuhmnuh> greycat: kids think command lines are hard.
5444 [21:36:12] <greycat> Then they shouldn't be setting up servers.
5445 [21:36:49] <kline> greycat, you can just vnc in or such
5446 [21:36:53] <nymb242> let's put it this way, I have a dedicated server. I have had one for many years with windows server 2003 installed. In fact I'm using irc on it now. But at 20 extra euros per month, I'm looking to see what I can do with linux.
5447 [21:36:57] <kline> a remote desktop on a server would be nice
5448 [21:37:03] <phogg> kline: what for?
5449 [21:37:08] <greycat> I completely disagree.
5450 [21:37:10] <karlpinc> nymb242: replaced-url
5451 [21:37:14] <nymb242> yes, and I am accessing it via remote server
5452 [21:37:19] <phogg> if you need to run a GUI program on a server just forward X over ssh
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5454 [21:37:23] <kline> but a cheapo chromebook at now you have a cheap, easily replaceable terminal with decent power because it all happens elsewhere
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5456 [21:37:31] <kline> s/but/buy
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5459 [21:37:51] <phogg> kline: If its a server whose *purpose* is to "serve desktops" then it's okay.
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5461 [21:38:00] <karlpinc> nymb242: You plan to have only linux on this box or is it going to dual-boot?
5462 [21:38:07] <greycat> But then it would be a server in your HOUSE, not on the Cloud.
5463 [21:38:07] <nymb242> the computer I am connecting to is on the other side of the world.
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5466 [21:38:46] <karlpinc> nymb242: So you need to install on a box which is not sitting in front of you, right?
5467 [21:38:52] <nymb242> yes
5468 [21:39:09] <nymb242> I have connected to it via putty
5469 [21:39:26] <karlpinc> nymb242: And the box has a public IP address, right?
5470 [21:39:31] <greycat> Here's an idea: learn how a NORMAL Linux system works first (Desktop machine with the Desktop Environment actually installed on it, and server with ssh access only, the way $DEITY intended).
5471 [21:39:50] <michael2> hi, does anyone know how to list all the currently installed packages from non-free section?
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5473 [21:39:53] <nymb242> so far I have managed to update debian and install gnome
5474 [21:39:58] <coruja> greycat, +1
5475 [21:39:58] <greycat> THEN you can worry about fancy shit like "I run my DE from a Cloud box because my government gives me free internet that is faster than the entire USA"
5476 [21:40:26] <isnice> michael2: dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | sort | egrep ^contrib\|^non-free
5477 [21:40:32] <karlpinc> nymb242: Wait, I thought you said you wanted to install. It sounds like you already have the OS installed.
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5479 [21:41:01] <nymb242> I *wish* I had the time to properly learn linux. But the reality is I don't. Maybe some day.
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5481 [21:41:38] <isnice> michael2: that will show contrib and non-free
5482 [21:41:39] <karlpinc> isnice: There's probably a simpler way to do it with aptitude, but I don't know it offhand.
5483 [21:41:52] <isnice> karlpinc: you can also install vrms
5484 [21:42:03] * mnuhmnuh greycat: you're more curmudgeonly than me. high praise! :-|
5485 [21:42:09] <karlpinc> isnice: :)
5486 [21:42:15] <phogg> nymb242: you do have time, you just have to make it a priority
5487 [21:42:35] <karlpinc> nymb242: I'm still not sure what your question is.
5488 [21:42:36] <michael2> isnice: thanks, Ill give it a try
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5490 [21:43:03] <nymb242> debian is already installed, and I think I installed gnome. Not sure what to do next.
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5493 [21:43:20] <greycat> Turn the computer on. Login with your username and password.
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5497 [21:43:57] <coruja> nymb242, try to accept that in the linux world servers are intended not to run a desktop, that's what workstations at home or office are for (but which you can override ofc)
5498 [21:44:33] <coruja> (... you actually did) ;)
5499 [21:44:39] <phogg> "intended" is not the right word
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5503 [21:45:36] <coruja> feel free to suggest a better one
5504 [21:45:40] <karlpinc> nymb242: So, you want access to a GUI desktop from a remote location, right?
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5506 [21:45:51] <greycat> *shudder*
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5508 [21:46:01] <phogg> You have a giant box of components out of which you can compose just about anything you want just about any way you want. It's *expected* that you won't choose to put a DE on a headless box and it's *unusual* to do so. If you want to, go ahead. You might not find a lot of people who are familiar with composing components in a way that makes that work, though.
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5512 [21:46:45] <phogg> The *intent* is that you should take the components and go build something glorious. That's about all.
5513 [21:46:57] <greycat> It's also slow and wasteful in an environment where bandwidth between your physically-colocated ("desktop") box and the server is expensive, slow, or capped, or all of the above.
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5515 [21:47:41] <phogg> greycat: Being sensible was never a requirement.
5516 [21:48:31] <mnuhmnuh> coruja: servers do stuff; big data tractor stuff: networked data storage, networked server process (mail, web, database, ...). enhanced / fast hardware installed.
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5518 [21:49:16] <nymb242> karlpinc: yes (sorry, had a to step a way for a sec)
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5520 [21:49:22] <coruja> mnuhmnuh, i know ;)
5521 [21:50:55] <coruja> one more reason not to waste precious resources for running a desktop ;)
5522 [21:50:57] <karlpinc> nymb242: You want to look at vncviewer (vnc) or just using X remotely. The former is simpler, but I think you're expected to have a deskop up and running at the remote end. But wait.. How about "ssh -X me@remote.example.com startx". I think that should work.
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5525 [21:51:49] <mnuhmnuh> ... and they're just as potentially destructive when they break. they can do a lot of damage, quickly.
5526 [21:52:01] <nymb242> I do have NX client installed on my local computer
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5531 [21:53:30] <nymb242> that might be what I need to install/configure on the server, is X
5532 [21:53:52] <greycat> I still strongly disapprove of this course.
5533 [21:54:09] <karlpinc> nymb242: That's an option too, but I've never managed to get it to work. I'd see what "startx" does. Maybe "ssh -X me@remote.example.com 'startx -- gdm'"?
5534 [21:54:10] <Juesto> i strongly recommend RealVNC 5.2.3
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5537 [21:54:48] <Juesto> you can get Xorg to work on a headless server with some complicated configuration
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5539 [21:54:59] <Juesto> but the easiest way is using Xvnc
5540 [21:55:14] <Juesto> real's version is by far the best
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5542 [21:55:47] <karlpinc> nymb242: X should be installed if you installed gnome. I'm pretty sure. If not install the xorg package.
5543 [21:56:20] <greycat> There are like 4 different ways to install (various subsets/supersets of) GNOME, some of which may not bring in the xorg stuff.
5544 [21:56:26] <nymb242> Yeah, I read something about changing xorg to xvnc, but got errors when trying to do it.
5545 [21:56:27] <de-facto> how can i get proper error messages from "isc-dhcp-server"? all i get is "Starting ISC DHCPv4 server: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!" which does not say much...
5546 [21:56:34] <Juesto> karlpinc: startx starts the default session. xinit needs session to be defined or it fallsback to a xterm, the actual server is Xorg, Xvnc, Xvfb depending on what you use,
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5550 [21:57:12] <Juesto> nymb242: it's complicated, you need to have Xvnc installed from a vnc server software that provides it
5551 [21:57:17] <karlpinc> de-facto: Have you looked at the syslog? That'd be easiest
5552 [21:57:31] <greycat> de-facto: look in /var/log/syslog, or in journalctl -u isc-dhcp-server
5553 [21:57:40] <nymb242> hah, I have an old version of vnc in my install folders. Version 4.1.3. :)
5554 [21:57:47] <nymb242> I'll get the latest version..
5555 [21:57:47] <mnuhmnuh> de-facto: "check syslog for diagnostics" - try "journalctl -b 0"
5556 [21:58:02] <karlpinc> de-facto: And if you don't want to _keep_ looking then "tail -f" is your friend.
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5562 [21:59:10] <de-facto> actually it seems the interface does not have an ip yet "No subnet declaration for enp4s0 (no IPv4 addresses)." do i have to configure a manual static ip for it in /etc/network/interfaces?
5563 [21:59:19] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: xvnc is a module that runs within X.
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5565 [21:59:35] <jhutchins_wk> Why are we running a remote GUI?
5566 [21:59:43] <jhutchins_wk> (I missed the original.)
5567 [21:59:48] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: something something "I'm a windows user" something
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5571 [22:00:13] <jhutchins_wk> Mrmph.
5572 [22:00:34] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: You can't manage a server with a GUI alone, you have to get into the text interface anyway.
5573 [22:00:35] <greycat> Apparently windows users think that servers are supposed to have a GUI installed and that you're somehow magically supposed to "remote desktop" to the server's GUI from your PC.
5574 [22:00:57] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I've seen that synrdome. Oracle actively encourages it.
5575 [22:01:07] <greycat> Oracle is fucking Satan.
5576 [22:01:39] <mnuhmnuh> de-facto: replaced-url
5577 [22:01:50] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: You can run graphical programs on a remote server and forward the GUI to your local system. Forwarding the entire desktop is never going to perform well.
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5579 [22:02:37] <mnuhmnuh> nymb242: this ^^^
5580 [22:02:46] <isnice> nymb242: if you want to play around with and learn linux, why not just set up a VM in your current environment'
5581 [22:03:04] <Juesto> Xvnc < Xproto
5582 [22:03:08] <Juesto> oops
5583 [22:03:21] <Juesto> Xvnc > Xorg forwarding
5584 [22:03:30] <de-facto> mnuhmnuh, there is no dhcp server other than the one i currently configure for this interface
5585 [22:04:12] <mnuhmnuh> de-facto: my dhcp server's my cable router.
5586 [22:04:16] <Juesto> Xvnc is a Xorg server with vnc builtin
5587 [22:04:23] <de-facto> cool
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5591 [22:05:21] <mnuhmnuh> desktop tower, always cat5 connected to router.
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5600 [22:08:19] <karlpinc> I am using a UEFI box. Is there any reason not to install grub into the drive's MBA? (As opposed to, say, at the beginning of the root fs's partition.)
5601 [22:08:34] <karlpinc> (single boot, etc. Just Debian.)
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5604 [22:10:03] <marco_> Hi, I need some help with my debian stretch installation which is frozen already twice
5605 [22:10:28] <mnuhmnuh> karlpinc: yes, go uefi boot.
5606 [22:11:12] <mnuhmnuh> er, what you said.
5607 [22:11:15] <marco_> mouse is working but the desktop is dead, it 's also not possible to open a terminal
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5609 [22:11:24] <nymb242> jhutchins_wk: yeah, if I can do that it would be fine. I have no idea how, though.
5610 [22:11:29] <karlpinc> mnuhmnuh: ? Yes, install in /dev/sda directly?
5611 [22:11:31] <skizzy> +
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5613 [22:12:01] <mnuhmnuh> yup.
5614 [22:12:24] <skizzy> do you guys know of a way to capture keystrokes in wine using C or Python? I want to capture keystrokes from wine on one machine and send over a network to run a macro that controls wine on another
5615 [22:12:27] <mnuhmnuh> KISS. :-)
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5618 [22:13:03] <skizzy> I am using python-virtkeys i think itś called and the keystrokes go to wine fine as long as i have that window selected. so I got sending keystrokes i just need to capture now
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5622 [22:13:20] <mnuhmnuh> skizzy: Tk's expect can do that.
5623 [22:13:35] <greycat> expect works at the terminal level, not the xev level.
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5628 [22:13:58] <skizzy> mnuhmnuh, So i can make a program that uses tk and use expect and i will capture from keystrokes in another window, a wine window?
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5630 [22:14:25] <mnuhmnuh> skizzy: no, listen to greycat.
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5633 [22:15:01] <skizzy> I want to capture from wine even if it takes capturing keystrokes system wide
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5635 [22:15:11] <skizzy> like a keylogger kind of i guess
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5641 [22:16:11] <scrote> hello.
5642 [22:16:52] <phogg> skizzy: so get a keylogger.
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5644 [22:17:30] <skizzy> phogg, But Iḿ trying to create a custom program to capture keys and send events over the network to another machine. that triggers another program which runs macros
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5648 [22:18:08] <phogg> skizzy: yes, you said
5649 [22:18:16] <cosmicfires> I've found a bug in the installer but I can't figure out how to report it
5650 [22:18:22] <cosmicfires> what's the package name?
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5652 [22:18:45] <skizzy> phogg, maybe i can use a keylogger to log to a file and watch it for changes in my program
5653 [22:18:45] <annadane> debian-installer?
5654 [22:18:51] <annadane> ,v debian-installer
5655 [22:18:52] <judd> Package: debian-installer on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130613+deb7u3+b2; jessie: 20150422+deb8u4+b5; stretch: 20170615+deb9u3; buster: 20171204; sid: 20171204
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5659 [22:19:37] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: If by "that" you mean x forwarding, look up x forwarding on the 'net.
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5662 [22:20:10] <annadane> "Debian Installer documentation" um... ok
5663 [22:20:16] <annadane> so i have no idea, then
5664 [22:20:26] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: iirc if you install xclock it will pull in the minimum requirements of X. X forwarding is over SSH, so documentation there too.
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5670 [22:20:53] <cosmicfires> ok I just looked for installer
5671 [22:20:55] <Juesto> isn't there a metapackage for minimal X?
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5673 [22:21:05] <Juesto> or a tasksel group
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5677 [22:21:24] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: Not for what you need for headless.
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5679 [22:21:33] <bites> debian-installer is the right package to report to. i believe.
5680 [22:21:41] <cosmicfires> ok
5681 [22:21:42] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: xclock is in the x11-apps pkg
5682 [22:21:49] <jhutchins_wk> It's only about four packages, nowhere near a regular X install.
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5685 [22:22:03] <Juesto> jhutchins: without the DE, nor anything fancy
5686 [22:22:11] <Juesto> he installed gnome anyway iirc
5687 [22:22:21] <jhutchins_wk> That can be fixed.
5688 [22:22:39] <Juesto> what do you consider a regular X install?
5689 [22:22:45] <Juesto> with a DE?
5690 [22:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> Enough to run a desktop, yeah, probably a DE, but you can do minimalist X without one. Forwarding doesn't take the rendering engine.
5691 [22:23:58] <jhutchins_wk> xclock is a good test of your setup and it's small and simple enough to be easy and not take up much space.
5692 [22:23:59] <Juesto> yes, what's the "pack" that Xorg and freedesktop provide?
5693 [22:24:12] <Juesto> xinit and xterm are too
5694 [22:24:16] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: No idea.
5695 [22:24:40] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: That's just ... silly.
5696 [22:25:00] <jhutchins_wk> xinit probably wouldn't forward or be included in what I've done, but it's been a few years.
5697 [22:25:05] <Juesto> it's faster and allows for running any required gui apps
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5699 [22:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> faster than...
5700 [22:25:32] <Juesto> it starts a X server with a session for you
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5702 [22:25:42] <Juesto> depending on setup
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5704 [22:25:56] <Juesto> usually there's none so, fallback session is used
5705 [22:26:10] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, you don't need that for forwarding. That's the whole point. Minimal install for forwarding individual apps.
5706 [22:26:37] <scrote> Hi. I'm creating a debian live usb boot according to replaced-url
5707 [22:26:51] <jhutchins_wk> !live
5708 [22:26:51] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
5709 [22:27:28] <Juesto> scrote: try the unofficial firmware live
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5713 [22:27:58] <kline> is replaced-url
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5715 [22:28:21] <Juesto> where i should take issues with Debian testing to?
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5720 [22:29:07] <annadane> !debian-next
5721 [22:29:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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5723 [22:29:56] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: General issues can be brought up here if it's not something version specific.
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5725 [22:30:11] <greycat> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
5726 [22:30:12] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
5727 [22:30:31] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: Same rule about derivative distros applies there too, we can't know what they've changed. Reproduce in actual Debian for support.
5728 [22:30:31] <greycat> *shrug*
5729 [22:30:34] <nymb242> jhutchins_wk: thanks. Sorry for the noobishness. But I lead with "I know nothing about linux" :)
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5731 [22:30:51] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: Everybody's gotta start somewhere.
5732 [22:30:52] <Juesto> jhutchins_wk: it is a version not in stable but in testing
5733 [22:30:52] <nymb242> I'll give a try to xming with putty and see where it goes.
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5736 [22:31:24] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: DOS-Windows-Linux HOWTO:
5737 [22:31:25] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
5738 [22:31:31] <nymb242> Almost time to go home so I'll pick it up later.
5739 [22:31:46] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: I liked cygwin better, but that will work.
5740 [22:31:49] <Juesto> there's a gnudos package iirc
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5742 [22:31:52] <de-facto> is simply "xorg" the correct meta package to install X11 server and all its deps without any window manager?
5743 [22:32:00] <ska> nymb242: forget putty.. Check out git-bash
5744 [22:32:20] <greycat> de-facto: yes
5745 [22:32:21] <Juesto> ,v xorg
5746 [22:32:22] <judd> Package: xorg on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; buster: 1:7.7+19; sid: 1:7.7+19; stretch: 1:7.7+19
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5750 [22:32:41] <Juesto> hm
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5752 [22:33:29] <nymb242> ok, thanks for the suggestions. Yeah, knowing what to use is a challenge. Everybody's got their preferences.
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5754 [22:34:04] <nymb242> and there's so many tutorials, which is great, but makes one's head spin.
5755 [22:34:19] <nymb242> Especially when the info given is totally different.
5756 [22:34:33] <nymb242> I'll figure it out...eventually. :)
5757 [22:34:48] <greycat> 3/4 of the tutorials on the Web are wrong, partially or wholly.
5758 [22:35:02] <greycat> You have to figure out which parts actually work.
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5767 [22:37:58] <hiya> In Gnome Sound Settings - I don't see 150% volume
5768 [22:38:03] <hiya> anymore
5769 [22:38:16] <greycat> ... yay?
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5772 [22:38:29] <hiya> It shows 100percent only, my laptop's volume is so low :(
5773 [22:38:37] <hiya> How do I bring 150percent again?
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5780 [22:40:42] <hiya> Ok done
5781 [22:40:51] <hiya> Tweak Settings has an option
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5794 [22:45:03] <MSPE> Hi! Is anybody using Debian with backported Linux kernel depending on AppArmor, resulting in Unbound service not able to start because somehow it can't read /etc/unbound/unbound.d/*.conf because of its profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.unbound ?
5795 [22:45:11] <MSPE> I tried replicating the AppArmor profile for Unbound from Sid, but still no read access to the unbound *.conf files
5796 [22:45:18] <MSPE> if I boot with apparmor=0 as a Linux boot argument, everything's OK, so I'm 100% sure the problem comes from the AppArmor profile
5797 [22:45:24] <MSPE> some people talk about an issue with systemd notification, but this gets resolved if you use the latest apparmor profile from sid (or just change the ad-hoc line specific to this problem
5798 [22:45:25] <digital_> oi
5799 [22:45:42] <digital_> oi
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5803 [22:46:19] <mnuhmnuh> ,v git-sh
5804 [22:46:21] <judd> Package: git-sh on amd64 -- buster: 1.1-1; jessie: 1.1-1; sid: 1.1-1; stretch: 1.1-1; wheezy: 1.1-1
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5807 [22:47:15] <greycat> !tell MSPE about debian-next
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5813 [22:51:33] <Juesto> !debian-next
5814 [22:51:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
5815 [22:51:39] <Juesto> ok
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5817 [22:52:13] <MSPE> @greycat @dpkg → sorry, I thought backports stuff was related to stable, and testing+sid to next
5818 [22:52:16] <MSPE> mea culpa
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5821 [22:53:32] <greycat> If you're getting apparmor problems of ANY kind, the people in #debian-next would be the only ones who know about those.
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5824 [22:55:00] <annadane> ,v apparmor
5825 [22:55:01] <judd> Package: apparmor on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.103-4; jessie: 2.9.0-3; jessie-backports: 2.10.95-4~bpo8+2; stretch: 2.11.0-3+deb9u2; buster: 2.12-4; sid: 2.12-4
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5828 [22:56:09] <greycat> Unless you're willing to accept "Just turn off apparmor completely" as the solution. Then maybe we can dig up the debian-user threads where they talk about this.
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5832 [22:58:32] <MSPE> at first there were lots of problems when the kernel started to draw apparmor
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5836 [22:58:51] <MSPE> but today on my distrib, I think unbound is the only one that still has problems
5837 [22:59:01] <de-facto> hmm when i start chromium directly on xorg via startx chromium-fullscreen.sh with "chromium --window-size=7000,7000 --start-fullscreen --no-first-run --kiosk 'replaced-url
5838 [22:59:02] <MSPE> that's why I was tempted to try to fix it
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5840 [22:59:30] <MSPE> but I guess I can wait
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5842 [22:59:47] <MSPE> I already marked apparmor on hold for a few months, otherwise thunderbird wouldn't start
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5851 [23:03:05] <scrote> Juesto: I downloaded the amd64 ISO image for debian live. How do I get it onto the USB stick so it's bootable and not just a .iso file?
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5859 [23:09:13] <Juesto> scrote: couldn't you look that up on a search engine?
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5866 [23:11:38] <svnking> Hey
5867 [23:11:49] <svnking> Having an issue trying to run headless deluge
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5874 [23:13:21] <annadane> svnking, ok, what "issue", need to be more specific
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5876 [23:13:54] <svnking> deluged and deluge-web are both running but I can't connect to either
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5879 [23:14:22] <svnking> Web loads but the daemon is offline and won't start from connection manager
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5885 [23:17:24] <svnking> deluged has been started as the deluge user and appears to be running okay, according to systemctl
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5888 [23:19:00] <svnking> Was working yesterday -_-
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5905 [23:25:43] <Guest35862> weird
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5907 [23:25:52] <Guest35862> i just ran apt update
5908 [23:25:58] <Guest35862> it said hash mismatch
5909 [23:26:05] <Guest35862> i ran it 2 seconds later again it worked
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5912 [23:26:12] <annadane> can happen sometimes
5913 [23:26:15] <annadane> not entirely sure why
5914 [23:26:35] <Juesto> because connection likely
5915 [23:26:35] <Guest35862> is that what happens if someone updates their sources right exactly when the repo gets updated?
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5918 [23:27:05] <Guest35862> i got a security mail about an update to git only 1 hour before
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5924 [23:29:21] <annadane> yeah, possibly
5925 [23:29:24] <annadane> idk for sure th
5926 [23:29:24] <annadane> o
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5942 [23:39:16] <nejeeeee> is there a software i can use to write on pdf?
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5944 [23:39:31] <annadane> nejeeeee, xournal
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5949 [23:41:12] <nejeeeee> Package 'xournal' has no installation candidate !?
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5952 [23:41:20] <annadane> ,v xournal
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5954 [23:41:21] <judd> Package: xournal on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.6~pre20110721-1+b1; jessie: 1:0.4.8-1; sid: 1:0.4.8-1+b1; stretch: 1:0.4.8-1+b1
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5956 [23:41:30] <annadane> should be?
5957 [23:41:55] <Guest35862> I've used Scibrus to remaster PDF files, but i think PDF modification support has to be compiled in
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5959 [23:42:21] <Guest35862> and not all distributions of Linux have that enabled in the repo version
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5961 [23:43:37] <nejeeeee> annadane shouldn't it work?
5962 [23:44:02] <annadane> it should work, i'm not sure why you're having problems
5963 [23:44:08] <annadane> assuming you're on debian 9
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5966 [23:45:42] <de-facto> how do i autostart xorg as a user on bootup? systemd unit or such?
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5968 [23:46:31] <Guest35862> de-facto, do you plan to use a graphical login manger as well?
5969 [23:47:04] <de-facto> no
5970 [23:47:18] <de-facto> just chromium as a user in kiosk mode
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5972 [23:47:29] <Guest35862> you can add startx to your .bashrc file
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5974 [23:47:48] <Guest35862> you can even start chromium directly from X
5975 [23:47:49] <annadane> nejeeeee, what's your /etc/apt/sources.list - post to paste.debian.net, and maybe try changing the mirror to one found on replaced-url
5976 [23:47:52] <annadane> maybe a primary mirror
5977 [23:48:00] <Guest35862> startx /usr/bin/chromium
5978 [23:48:07] <Guest35862> or whereever chrome is stored
5979 [23:48:10] <de-facto> yet then i would have to login, which i cant. it has to come up automatically on bootup
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5982 [23:48:59] <Guest35862> de-facto, you change the getty script to login automatically instead of spawning /usr/login
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5984 [23:49:33] <nejeeeee> i'm in testing, could this be the problem?
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5987 [23:49:56] <de-facto> Guest35862, which file is that?
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5991 [23:51:30] <Guest35862> de-facto, it changed when debian switched to systemd. 1 second i'm looking up the updated info
5992 [23:51:40] <de-facto> thanks
5993 [23:52:17] <annadane> nejeeeee, right, well, if you're on testing, it's not in testing
5994 [23:52:32] <nejeeeee> ok thanks, i've downloaded it manually
5995 [23:52:37] <annadane> you can still get it from unstable by adding a line in your sources
5996 [23:52:50] <annadane> for future reference, #debian is for stable and oldstable support
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5998 [23:52:52] <annadane> !debian-next
5999 [23:52:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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6002 [23:54:03] <bites> and oldoldstable for the next two days!
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6004 [23:54:30] <Guest35862> de-facto, ok so it looks when when systemd took over that it changed to /etc/systemd/system/
6005 [23:55:04] <Guest35862> de-facto, you have to add a file /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/override.conf
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6011 [23:56:07] <Guest35862> my bad
6012 [23:56:12] <pfred1> my worse
6013 [23:56:17] <Guest35862> /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service
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6015 [23:56:32] <de-facto> Guest35862, yes getty.target.wants is a directory there
6016 [23:56:51] <annadane> xournal saved my life, i'm so happy it exists
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6019 [23:57:31] <Guest35862> then instead of spawning a getty or login you start x and chromium as tghe kiosk user
6020 [23:57:38] <Guest35862> or whatever user will be for the kiosk
6021 [23:58:04] <Guest35862> carful not to start it as root. that's not a good idea
6022 [23:58:49] <Guest35862> it used to be in /etc/inittab
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