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0[00:00:04] <skizzy> can you tell me how i would add jessie repository to stretch?
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3[00:00:10] <skizzy> I'll give it a shot
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10[00:00:34] <skizzy> what does backports mean
11[00:00:45] <skizzy> sorry for all the questions lol
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18[00:05:57] <skizzy> i just added jessie to a jessie.list file in sources.list.d is that enough?
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20[00:07:42] <dka> What's wrong with this:
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23[00:09:29] <somiaj> skizzy: there is no supported way. Using libs from jessie might work, but libqt is a lot of libs.
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30[00:12:49] <skizzy> i did jessie it doesnt' have qt3 either
31[00:13:02] <skizzy> I am searching for which one has it
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36[00:16:28] <hypn0> why don't you get a newer version with qt4 support
37[00:16:41] <skizzy> there isn't one :(
38[00:16:44] <hypn0> isn't qt5 out
39[00:16:53] <skizzy> Maybe I should learn to port it
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42[00:18:04] <hypn0> which program is it
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46[00:18:51] <skizzy> showeq lol
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49[00:19:39] <skizzy> I wanted to make a program based off of it for my characters to play together but I want to get it running first.
50[00:20:05] <skizzy> the code looks well written at least
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60[00:22:54] <rob_debian> Hi
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70[00:31:04] <skizzy> looks like my raspberry pi has qt3 lol
71[00:31:08] <skizzy> trying it on that
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128[00:59:16] <dka> I am doing this like in a countinous integration in a yaml file: `- '[[ $SSH_PRIVATE_KEY ]] && sonar-scanner -Dsonar.host.url="${SONAR_URL}" -Dsonar.login="${SONAR_LOGIN}" -Dsonar.branch="${CI_COMMIT_REF_NAME}" -Dsonar.projectVersion="${SONAR_VERSION}"'`, the CI fail, but the environment SSH_PRIVATE_KEY is not declared (verified with declare -p) why is it failing? I expect to just not trigger the test.
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171[01:17:17] <juul> what's the syntax for /etc/network/interfaces for joining an ad-hoc wifi network using only the BSSID (not the SSID)?
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235[01:50:23] <somiaj> juul: I would pass most of that to wpasupplicant, there is a nice readme in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant for how to link it with the interfaces file
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287[02:25:15] <juul> somiaj: you'd use wpa supplicant even though there's no encryption?
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314[02:38:51] <somiaj> juul: sure, wpa_supplicant can actually run in roam moade and manage all the wifi networks, there is even wpacli and wpagui to access it if it is running in roam mode
315[02:39:12] <somiaj> it can even switch networks on the fly if you are moving, like on a bus
316[02:39:16] <juul> cool
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323[02:41:38] <juul> thanks!
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571[05:30:17] <Habibi> anyone has an issue with openvpn ?
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607[05:58:13] <prof-digsby> hi
608[05:58:40] <prof-digsby> what controls the default folders in user account folders?
609[05:58:51] <prof-digsby> /etc/skel is empty
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611[05:59:05] <prof-digsby> is this now some sort of lxd bullshit?
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623[06:04:34] <prof-digsby> or i mean freedesktop standard
624[06:05:26] <prof-digsby> xdg even
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629[06:08:18] <prof-digsby> and there it is
630[06:08:30] <prof-digsby> god i fucking hate modern linux
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638[06:12:26] <rpifan> why
639[06:12:28] <rpifan> i love linux
640[06:12:47] <t3st3r> prof-digsby> maybe the thing you looking for is /etc/default/useradd ?
641[06:12:56] <prof-digsby> nope
642[06:13:02] <prof-digsby> /etc/xdg
643[06:13:11] <t3st3r> and on side note if you hate smth nobody forces you to use that, right?
644[06:14:00] <prof-digsby> and that is why we are wrting somethng new. until it reay fr daiydrvg, gotta swim in this garbage
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646[06:14:42] <prof-digsby> sorry about typos, battery is dying
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648[06:16:06] <prof-digsby> in the meantime, thank you for the help. i greatly appreciate it
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720[07:05:17] <hanasaki> in gnome, setting online account creds for a gmail account. auth works fine. they it says credentials expired
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731[07:10:53] <hanasaki> make-jpkg does not work on openjdk 10... how to get a .deb to install? is there a way to build it? to get it from sid however only that package using apt
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1081[10:25:07] <r3m1> hello
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1085[10:26:10] <r3m1> is it possible to remove the encryption key that is asked at boot on a server withtout having to reinstall it?
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1091[10:28:19] <r3m1> I mean LVM encryption
1092[10:28:22] <das_j> Hey everybody, I'm currently trying to cross-compile a package using pbuilder, but it fails with "Depends: g++:arm64 (>= 1.96) but it is not going to be installed" on stretch. What are the steps to troubleshoot such situation?
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1096[10:29:33] <evilaliv3> Hello!
1097[10:29:44] <somiaj> das_j: does pbuilder actually try to cross compile, or does it use something like qemu-static to build an arm64 chroot, and just build in there?
1098[10:30:01] <evilaliv3> I'm packaging a software (globaleaks) that would need a package from stretch-backports
1099[10:30:32] <evilaliv3> i've added to the package the precise version of the package i need setting python-acme (>=0.22)
1100[10:30:36] <somiaj> das_j: replaced-url
1101[10:30:46] <das_j> somiaj: It looks like it attempts a cross compile, as it logs "I: Setting up the environment for a cross build..."
1102[10:31:01] <das_j> Yes, I followed that guide
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1104[10:31:19] <somiaj> ,v g++
1105[10:31:20] <judd> Package: g++ on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid: 4:7.3.0-3; experimental: 4:8-20180425-2
1106[10:31:31] <evilaliv3> but when i install the package it seems to discard the version of python-acme included in backports and it proceed installing python-acme 0.10
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1108[10:31:47] <evilaliv3> do someone know what could be the issue?
1109[10:31:59] <somiaj> ,v python-acme
1110[10:32:00] <judd> Package: python-acme on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 0.10.2-1; stretch-backports: 0.22.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.24.0-2; sid: 0.24.0-2
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1112[10:32:10] <evilaliv3> (i know that backports are by default disabled)
1113[10:32:30] <evilaliv3> and that installing it manually requires:
1114[10:32:40] <evilaliv3> apt-get install -t stretch-backports
1115[10:32:45] <somiaj> evilaliv3: how are you installing the package? Have you double checked the depends in the control file inside the package?
1116[10:33:28] <jelly> evilaliv3: python-acme (>=0.22) has a typo, you absolutely need a single space between >= and the version
1117[10:33:38] <Epakai> r3m1: i think the recommended method is the backup the data and restore it to a non-encrypted partition, you can also look into cryptsetup-reencrypt, but you still need a backup
1118[10:33:39] <somiaj> das_j: hmm, not sure, that error seems to suggest that something is preveting g++:arm64 from being installed in the chroot, but not sure what it could be.
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1120[10:34:10] <jelly> evilaliv3: so, python-acme (>= 0.22)
1121[10:34:10] <jelly> <jelly> evilaliv3: python-acme (>= 0.22)
1122[10:34:12] <evilaliv3> somiaj / jelly: the code written here was not correct in spaces but it is in my control file
1123[10:34:18] <evilaliv3> thanks jelly
1124[10:34:22] <jelly> oops
1125[10:34:31] <evilaliv3> should this trigger the selection of the backport dependency?
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1128[10:34:56] <evilaliv3> i mean, if the version required is in the backports is this source packaging unlocked ?
1129[10:34:58] <jelly> evilaliv3: what is the exact command you're using and its full output?
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1131[10:35:21] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1132[10:35:22] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1135[10:35:50] <somiaj> das_j: is there a log file with more details on why g++:arm64 is not intsallable, maybe pbuilder login, and try to figure out why g++ is not installable.
1136[10:35:54] <jelly> evilaliv3: apt-get will never pick a dependency from stretch-backports automatically
1137[10:35:54] <das_j> Do you need this information from my system or from the chroot?
1138[10:35:57] <evilaliv3> jelly: apt-get install globaleaks where globaleaks is the package built as a normal package (not backport) that has has a dependency which version is in the backport
1139[10:36:18] <jelly> aptitude, OTOH, might if you nudge it.
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1141[10:36:47] <jelly> evilaliv3: then this is probably expected.
1142[10:37:10] <evilaliv3> jelly: it will not select a dependency which is in backports even if the package require a version of a software that is in backports?
1143[10:37:15] <jelly> correct
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1145[10:38:02] <jelly> normal packages will never have a dependency on something available only in backports, so you never notice
1146[10:38:06] <evilaliv3> so i would require apt-get install globaleaks -t stretch-backports to unlock it to load a dependency from backports?
1147[10:38:29] <jelly> or use aptitude
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1149[10:38:31] <das_j> somiaj: It seems like apt doesn't resolve my dependencies at all in the chroot. When I try to install g++, it lacks the gcc dependency. If I install gcc, it lacks the cpp and gcc-6 dependency....
1150[10:38:41] <das_j> But apt should pull in these dependencies IMO
1151[10:39:15] <somiaj> das_j: is this a new chroot, or an older one? What debian version is the chroot?
1152[10:39:45] <das_j> I just built it ~30mins ago with stretch. I'll look for the create command
1153[10:39:56] <somiaj> usually when apt fails, it is because something down the chain actually cannot be installed, sometimes you have to follow the chain to figure out what is not being installed.
1154[10:40:05] <das_j> > pbuilder create --host-arch arm64 --distribution stretch --mirror replaced-url
1155[10:40:10] <jelly> evilaliv3: this makes it a bit of an issue if you have other dependencies that also have backports but your app only needs that one backport
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1157[10:40:16] <das_j> I followed it down to gcc-6, which installed when I tried apt install
1158[10:40:18] <evilaliv3> jelly: what if i've pakaged a software using a stable dependency and now i want a user that installed it to update it with the new packaged version that will require a dependency in stretch backports?
1159[10:40:44] <evilaliv3> i mean: suppose a user installed with apt-get install globaleaks, and that now globaleaks requires a package version that is in backports
1160[10:40:51] <jelly> evilaliv3: you'll tell them to use -t or use aptitude
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1162[10:41:04] <somiaj> evilaliv3: maybe make the package a backport package, so it needs the -t backports to be installed in the firstplace. Since it depends on something in backports.
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1164[10:41:58] <evilaliv3> got it somiaj
1165[10:42:03] <jelly> it's not in a debian repo at all so calling it "backport" or not does not really make sense
1166[10:42:09] <jelly> or is it?
1167[10:42:14] <jelly> ,v globaleaks
1168[10:42:15] <judd> No package named 'globaleaks' was found in amd64.
1169[10:42:17] <jelly> ,v globalleaks
1170[10:42:18] <judd> No package named 'globalleaks' was found in amd64.
1171[10:42:30] <somiaj> das_j: I don't know what the issue could be, though I have never used pbuilder to cross compile. I wonder if ##packaging on irc.oftc.net could provide more help.
1172[10:42:35] <evilaliv3> (jelly the package will be on deb.globaleaks.org)
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1174[10:43:39] <jelly> evilaliv3: how do you deal with trusty? That thing is even older
1175[10:44:00] <evilaliv3> we are dropping that support jelly
1176[10:44:03] <jelly> ha
1177[10:44:23] <evilaliv3> trusty was even using pip :/ was an experimenting release
1178[10:44:30] <evilaliv3> now all is debian packaged
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1180[10:44:55] <jelly> (consider statically linking with that one package if possible, but then you have to release every time the library has a security issue)
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1182[10:45:05] <somiaj> jelly: so if you made a third party repo and called it stretch-backports instead of stretch, would that inherit the pinning of main stretch-backports repo as well, or is something else causing this pinning?
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1185[10:45:48] <somiaj> or does non debian repos, even if they are labeled stretch or stable get classified differently than the debian ones?
1186[10:45:50] <jelly> somiaj: pinning on what? Each repo (Release file) has certain properties.
1187[10:45:52] <evilaliv3> good question jelly
1188[10:46:04] <evilaliv3> ops somiaj :)
1189[10:46:35] <evilaliv3> (thank you both for all your support)
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1194[10:47:43] <somiaj> jelly: so if someone created a third party repo called stretch-backports and setup the pinning similar to debian's repo, would the -t flag work there? I don't really know the details of how this works, so that was my thought of just putting it in a stretch-backports third party repo.
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1196[10:48:16] <jelly> why tho, it works without that
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1201[10:48:58] <somiaj> jelly: yea most likely to complicated a solution.
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1204[10:49:10] <jelly> -t sets Default-Release, but won't prevent installation from a third party repo unless that third party repo is doing strange things
1205[10:49:38] <somiaj> evilaliv3: Another option, provide the newer libary that is needed libary, so people using apt get it with your package.
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1207[10:49:51] <somiaj> evilaliv3: arg, provide the newer libary in your repo as well.
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1211[10:51:43] <evilaliv3> would that work? are there softwares that do this ? is this allowed by debian rules?
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1214[10:52:11] <evilaliv3> that would be really an easy solution cause one could just add the few dependency neededs to the repo
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1216[10:52:23] <evilaliv3> and just keep monitoring for new releases
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1219[10:52:31] <jelly> evilaliv3: redistribution is allowed by debian rules yes
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1221[10:52:44] <evilaliv3> cool
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1223[10:53:59] <somiaj> evilaliv3: You could also version your package to be less than the stretch-backports version, so users who have that, use the debian package over your own.
1224[10:54:02] <jelly> if the user is trusting you enough to install your .deb there's no change if they also trust you to install a copy of a package from stretch-backports coming from the same repo
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1229[10:56:38] <evilaliv3> right comments somiaj jelly
1230[10:56:40] <evilaliv3> thanks
1231[10:56:56] <evilaliv3> yes, our repo is trusted by threath model
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1233[10:57:30] <evilaliv3> will the name of the package be ok like this? python-acme_0.22.2-1~bpo9+1_all.deb
1234[10:57:52] <evilaliv3> it mentions bpo, but will apt use this naming to identify that it requires -t ?
1235[10:58:11] <evilaliv3> or it's just a naming convention that will not mess with anything ?
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1238[10:58:44] <somiaj> evilaliv3: the ~ is the less than, so ~bpo9 makes it less than 0.22.2-1 (the buster version)
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1240[10:59:21] <somiaj> evilaliv3: so maybe something like 0.22.2-1~bpo9~flag, for some flag you put to signify it is your package and not debians.
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1252[11:05:19] <jelly> ,v python-acme
1253[11:05:20] <judd> Package: python-acme on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 0.10.2-1; stretch-backports: 0.22.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.24.0-2; sid: 0.24.0-2
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1256[11:06:08] <jelly> I wouldn't bother but sure, if you want make the version like 0.22.2-1~bpo9+1~evilaliv.0
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1260[11:07:38] <evilaliv3> got it
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1264[11:08:01] <evilaliv3> i'm now adding to our repo all the packages 0.22 in replaced-url
1265[11:08:27] <evilaliv3> just adding our files and restarting mini-dinstall seems to not add them
1266[11:08:39] <evilaliv3> but maybe there is an issue related to signatures that i've to address
1267[11:08:47] <evilaliv3> thank you so much for this helpful hints!
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1270[11:09:11] <evilaliv3> will now do some tests based on your suggestions an let you know if this worked!
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1273[11:10:32] <jelly> your pool seems to contain the version from sid right now
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1275[11:11:06] <martineez> hello I've lost my usb drive with /boot partition is there any way to restore it ?
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1277[11:11:18] <evilaliv3> jelly: where do you see it?
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1280[11:11:29] <jelly> replaced-url
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1286[11:12:35] <jelly> but it's not in Packages so that's okay
1287[11:12:51] <evilaliv3> yep
1288[11:13:00] <evilaliv3> was an issue
1289[11:13:17] <evilaliv3> is there a specific debian command to download all the files related to a specific version ?
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1291[11:13:35] <evilaliv3> (just to make a secure download reducing human errors)
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1293[11:13:42] <somiaj> martineez: is the system encrypted and did that usb contain keys? You'll need to use the debian installer or a live image to rescue the system and rebuild boot (including reinstalling kernels)
1294[11:13:45] <evilaliv3> (if a best practice exists in this)
1295[11:14:11] <jelly> apt-get source gets sources, not .deb
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1297[11:14:34] <somiaj> evilaliv3: apt-get --download-only or apt-get -d
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1300[11:15:03] <jelly> there's no single command to download all the binary debs built from a source, apart from aptitude with ?source-package()
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1302[11:16:00] <somiaj> if using the apt-get, you'll get all the depends downloaded as well.
1303[11:17:28] <jelly> there's apt download
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1305[11:18:25] <somiaj> jelly: I don't see the download option listed in the manpage, but seems it only lists the most used commands
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1308[11:18:54] <martineez> somiaj: the system is encrypted but I know the keys and I can mount it with liveCD, now I need to find out how to rebuild boot for a new usb drive
1309[11:19:00] <somiaj> ahh man apt-get, and didn't realize there was a download command and --download-only flag.
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1312[11:19:53] <jelly> somiaj: apt download, not apt-get
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1314[11:20:28] <jelly> apt-get -d gets the deps too, it just stops before installing
1315[11:20:29] <somiaj> martineez: from the resuce system, chroot into your install (after it is decrypted), mount /boot, you'll want to reinstall your kernels, dpkg -S /boot should list all packages that have files there, reinstall those, run update-grub to rebuild /boot/grub if using grub, unsure on any other details.
1316[11:20:47] <somiaj> jelly: I got that, I just didn't find any info on download in the apt manpage, but it is in the apt-get manpage
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1318[11:21:07] <evilaliv3> thanks somiaj jelly : i was meaning for replicating the packages on our repository
1319[11:21:15] <evilaliv3> but i will manage to do this manually, thanks
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1321[11:21:42] <michael2> hi all, I'm trying to connect to wifi AP from command line and when I try to request a IP address with: `dhclient -v' dhclient tries to hits the AP repeatedly, then prints out "DHCPDISCOVER ....." No DHCP offers received .. sleeping..." anyone know how I can debug from here?
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1330[11:25:08] <t3st3r> michael2> are you sure you have wireless connection at this point? So it actually goes in/out of the air...
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1336[11:25:47] <somiaj> michael2: maybe not the solution you are looking for. I basically let wpasupplicant handel this for me and launch it from the interfaces file. There is wpacli as well.
1337[11:25:49] <michael2> t3st3r: not sure, how do I check that?
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1341[11:26:19] <michael2> somiaj: sorry I shold have mentioned. this AP is not using WPA/2
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1343[11:26:30] <somiaj> michael2: that doesn't matter
1344[11:26:31] <t3st3r> michael2> use iw, e.g. "iw dev wlan0 link" or so to get the idea.
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1346[11:26:57] <somiaj> michael2: wpasupplicant can connect to insecure networks as well as secure ones. It even has a roam mode to change networks automatically
1347[11:27:19] <t3st3r> if you really want to get familiar with command line vs wifi, iw is something to consider as config/troubleshooting tool.
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1349[11:27:39] <michael2> somiaj: thats interesting - well if it works im keen to give it a try :)
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1351[11:27:41] <the_drow> How do I install LXC 3 on debian?
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1354[11:28:00] <somiaj> michael2: but this is kinda a side solution to your actual problem, you can do this all manually. I just choose to let wpasupplicant handel this for me.
1355[11:28:19] <the_drow> There's a PPA for Ubuntu but I'm not sure if this is the right move.
1356[11:28:37] <somiaj> the_drow: it isn't. What version of debian.
1357[11:28:45] <the_drow> Stable
1358[11:28:51] <somiaj> ,v lxc
1359[11:28:52] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.0.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2; buster: 1:2.0.9-6; sid: 1:2.0.9-6
1360[11:29:26] <t3st3r> michael2> you almost certainly want wpa_supplicant for WPA if you want to do wi-fi from command like. Optional for wep/unencrypted, but handy to have it anyway.
1361[11:29:42] <the_drow> These are way too old
1362[11:29:44] <t3st3r> because otherwise you have to handle disconnect/reconnect yourself somehow.
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1364[11:29:46] <somiaj> the_drow: lxc is not avaiable in any debian version, so you most likely would have to do some work. I would say use 2.0.7 if at all possible
1365[11:29:51] <somiaj> !don't break debian
1366[11:29:51] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
1367[11:29:55] <michael2> t3st3r: output of `iw dev wlp3s0 link' is "Not connected"
1368[11:30:06] <the_drow> somiaj, I have problems with cgroupsmanager that were resolved in LXC 3.0
1369[11:30:12] <t3st3r> michael2> so there is no point to try dhcp on it...
1370[11:30:27] <somiaj> the_drow: ^^ there are some suggestions on how to properly install software not in debian there. Including some tips on how to nicely get something from a PPA
1371[11:30:29] <t3st3r> wi fi have to connect first, then you can dhcp or something...
1372[11:30:38] <FinalX> the_drow: be extremely careful of upgrading to 3.0, 3.0 is *not* backwards compatible with 2.0 and a lot of things (can) break, even with the converter scripts
1373[11:31:11] <the_drow> FinalX, We're building a new system so I'm not sure we care
1374[11:31:15] <FinalX> ok
1375[11:31:27] <the_drow> I can use Ubuntu instead but I don't really need it
1376[11:31:33] <somiaj> the_drow: This could be a lot of work, not only could you need a newer version of lxc, but you may find you need to upgrade various libaries and other tools as well. You will also have to ensure you manage security issues with the stuff you locally isntalled.
1377[11:31:37] <t3st3r> if you want to connect to open or WEP AP you can do just "iw ... connect" but once it disconnects it would not reconnect on its own. OTOH wpa_supplicant scans air and connect once AP is reachable.
1378[11:32:08] <the_drow> somiaj, So I should choose Ubuntu and install lxc from the PPA?
1379[11:32:17] <FinalX> the_drow: I switched to Ubuntu for LXC a long time ago, the dev(s) all roll stuff out on Ubuntu first, and LXD is Ubuntu-only. LXD 2.0 => LXD 3.0 does work well because it manages everything for you, as well.
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1381[11:32:36] <the_drow> FinalX, We don't use LXD
1382[11:32:40] <FinalX> the_drow: honestly, just go with Ubuntu 18.04 if you're gonna set up a LXC/LXD machine. You can also migrate containers between hosts and such.
1383[11:32:45] <somiaj> the_drow: Make the choice that fits your use case the best. Read that don't break debian link for some tips on how to install third party stuff in debian.
1384[11:32:49] <michael2> t3st3r: thats good to know. Ill just try for manual connect (then roaming _if_ I can connect manually )
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1386[11:33:24] <somiaj> the_drow: but the short answer, is what you want doesn't appear to be supported in debian, and I'm unsure how much work it would be to install what you want locally in debian, when another distro may have stuff already setup.
1387[11:33:37] <FinalX> the_drow: ok, well, getting LXC to work properly in Debian has always been a pain for us, and was done very quickly in Ubuntu. Like somiaj said, pick whatever you think is best.. just tossing in my €0,02 here :p
1388[11:33:43] <t3st3r> michael2> look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ or somethnig like this for quick examples on typical use of that thing.
1389[11:33:51] <somiaj> michael2: there is a good readme in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicaint on how to setup roaming moade and link it with your interfaces file.
1390[11:34:04] <the_drow> FinalX, Thanks
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1395[11:35:41] <michael2> t3st3r: somiaj thanks. Im going to try for manual connect - for now. is the command: iw dev wlp3s0 connect ?
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1398[11:36:16] <t3st3r> michael2> would only work for open or WEP APs and would disconnect eventually... you have been warned,
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1410[11:38:30] <t3st3r> so to my taste iw ... connect is mostly testing/troubleshooting thing and most APs running with sensible configuration are WPA anyway, that's where one really wants wpa_supplicant.
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1417[11:39:37] <somiaj> you can also do this all in your interfaces file, but I found wpa_supplicant easier to manage (due to roam mode) than having a list of every network I connect to as an alias in my interfaces file
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1420[11:40:00] <t3st3r> also iw dev ... scan could be handy to look around whether you see AP with desired SSID/BSSID/etc, just in case
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1422[11:40:10] <somiaj> also allows you to put wifi passwords in a seperate file and not have to change the permsions ont he itnerfaces file.
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1424[11:41:10] <michael2> t3st3r: yeah, this is open wifi. ok, I ran `iw --debug dev wlp3s0 connect' and it gave a bunch of hex dumps, but then when I run `iw dev wlp3s0 link' - iw still prints "Not connected"
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1427[11:42:08] <t3st3r> debug dumps some packet exchanges and so on, over netlink. Dmesg could also contain some details on attempt.
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1429[11:42:49] <t3st3r> Not each and every attempt succeeds and AP eventually can kick your out or your card/driver would disconnect for numerous reasons.
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1432[11:43:58] <michael2> dmesg doesn't seem to show anything, but I'll follow it in case it shows something. Ok so if multiple attempts are sometimes needed, I will try again now...
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1435[11:46:37] <michael2> hm. when I run `iw dev wlp3s0 connect -w <SSID>' - iw returns ""timed out"
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1439[11:47:45] <well_laid_lawn> dmesg -w will continously show kernel output as it happens
1440[11:48:05] <t3st3r> oh btw have you set device up? (ip link set dev wlan0 up, etc)
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1442[11:48:20] <michael2> well_laid_lawn: yeah, I think --follow works too
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1444[11:48:23] <somiaj> michael2: just double checking, you did install the firmware (if needed) for your wifi device?
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1449[11:49:18] <michael2> somiaj: t3st3r yes, device is up. I can successfully scan for list of AP/ssid's
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1455[11:53:33] <gluegadget> Chromium on testing is the oldest among all suites: replaced-url
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1482[11:57:14] <somiaj> gluegadget: tracker.debian.org/chromium -- it lets you know about the package, including why it is being blocked from migrating to testing. In general testing gets poor secuirty support as browsers don't migrate that easily. Many install their browser or other various security updated packages from sid in testing.
1483[11:57:47] <somiaj> !why is chromium not in testing
1484[11:57:47] <dpkg> chromium is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
1485[11:58:01] <gluegadget> somiaj: thanks
1486[11:58:44] <somiaj> sorry, the source package is called chromium-browser so replace both links I gave you with chromium-browser, the second gives you just the excuses
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1609[12:13:51] <Iridos> dpkg, disable ipv6
1610[12:13:51] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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1683[12:58:39] <abba> Given a PID, is it possible to query how much memory the application is using? Most scripts shows a percentage (they use ps), but since the application is small comapred to the aviaable memory, it is difficult to see if memory is being leaked or not (I know there are other tools like valgrin, but I'm unable to use them for now).
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1686[12:59:02] <han-solo> ps -p <pid> -o %cpu,%mem
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1691[13:00:11] <abba> han-solo: Thx, but this shows a percentage
1692[13:00:26] <abba> I would like to have an absolute (even approx) value
1693[13:00:54] <abba> The app does not use much memory, so the % is difficult to interpret
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1695[13:02:04] <han-solo> top -b -p 14010 -n 1 | awk 'END{ print "RES : ",$6 }'
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1699[13:03:44] <abba> han-solo: Thx, but this shows a percentageCk
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1701[13:04:09] <abba> Great, thx
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1715[13:07:12] <V_A> what's up ?
1716[13:07:23] <V_A> anyone ?
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1719[13:08:02] <petn-randall> V_A: Do you have a Debian support question?
1720[13:08:02] <V_A> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
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1722[13:08:55] <V_A> no i just try using this app
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1782[13:45:40] <nnpeter> Hi, i have installed Kali Linux, which is based on debian in a vmware vm. I configured the lan connection. From the bash I can ping google, but within firefox i cannot reach any site: unable to connect.
1783[13:46:21] <iTeV> nnpeter, did you check the proxy settings in firefox?
1784[13:46:24] <nnpeter> I ried the hints in the internet: set managed connection tp true and restart the network-manager, but it does not work.
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1789[13:46:42] <iTeV> also, how where you pinging google? `ping 8.8.8.8` or `ping google.com`?
1790[13:46:52] <jelly> we don't know what Kali has broken, but verify you can connect manually to a site using "telnet hostname 80" and "telnet hostname 443", and ask in the right place
1791[13:46:54] <jelly> !kali
1792[13:46:54] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1796[13:51:33] <nnpeter> I dont use a proxy, In firefox I set the network settings from use system proxy to no proxy. ping replaced-url
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1806[13:54:06] <noodlepie> nnpeter, is your DnS server (in /etc/resolv.conf) local or on the internet
1807[13:54:24] <noodlepie> you may not have an outgoing route to the site, but your DNS works, maybe from cache too though
1808[13:54:42] <noodlepie> doh, oh you DO get ping answers
1809[13:54:49] <noodlepie> nevermind! @:P_#
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1811[13:54:53] <noodlepie> @:P-~
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1829[14:04:31] <petn-randall> Again, it's better to ask in the right channel. Kali is off-topic here.
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1840[14:09:22] <michael2> hi all. I have a question about syslinux. is the reason the `syslinux --install /dev/sdX' command is needed - say vs. just placing the executable file in the folder - because `syslinux --install' actually places the ldlinux.sys file in the first sector of the boot partition? i.e. the block pointers within `ldlinux.sys's inode would actually point to the first blocks of the boot partition - which wouldn't
1841[14:09:24] <michael2> happen if you just created `ldlinux.sys' within an existing filesystem?
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1843[14:12:16] <petn-randall> michael2: Sure, if you want to use syslinux as a bootloader, it'll need to write to the MBR for legacy BIOS.
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1846[14:12:48] <michael2> petn-randall: I mean the 2nd stage of the bootloader
1847[14:13:01] <michael2> ldlinux.sys
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1851[14:14:02] <petn-randall> michael2: I don't know how it's exactly with syslinux, but the 2nd stage usually is just some file(s) on a filesystem that gets referenced from the first stage.
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1857[14:17:37] <leszek> can someone explain to me the difference between 0030-user-setup and 0030-live-debconfig_passwd because I don't get it. It looks to me like its doing the same thing in live-config
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1860[14:18:03] <eljotto> Hello there
1861[14:18:19] <eljotto> I did something and now I cant boot to GUI
1862[14:18:26] <michael2> right, and so at the time the 2nd stage (ldlinux.sys) is read - the only programs which have run are the bios and the bootloaders first stage - so does the system have capability to read filesystems at this stage?
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1867[14:19:25] <eljotto> got black screen after all the boot messages, can switch to console on tty1, but no x. I suspect faulty config (laptop with integrated intel and nvidia gpu). I would just like to disable nvidia and regenerate anything that needs to be regenerated and go on with my life
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1872[14:20:49] <petn-randall> eljotto: What exactly is that "something"? That might be the key to getting it back running again.
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1874[14:21:11] <eljotto> petn-randall: I connected a displaylink device to usb and rebooted.
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1887[14:25:06] <amprxc_> hello, how can i disable local logging with rsyslog (i already have remote logging enabled) ? thanks
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1893[14:27:21] <jelly> amprxc_: comment out or remove all the lines with rules that have destination for local log files in /etc/rsyslog.conf and /etc/rsyslog.d/*
1894[14:27:45] <petn-randall> amprxc_: Edit /etc/rsys.log.conf, 'man rsyslog.conf' will help you with the syntax.
1895[14:28:07] <amprxc_> jelly i ll try that
1896[14:28:16] <jelly> amprxc_: sometimes there are services that rely on local logs, eg. fail2ban, you'd have to fix those
1897[14:28:27] <jelly> if you have any
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1900[14:30:24] <jelly> amprxc_: a smaller change would be to put a rule to stop processing everything right after your remote forward rule
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1902[14:30:39] <jelly> something like a line containing just: *.* ~
1903[14:31:00] <jelly> ^ untested
1904[14:31:36] <ald3baran> hi everyone
1905[14:32:10] <jelly> amprxc_: order is important, so if you put it before all the includes and default rules it ought to work. But again, untested
1906[14:32:36] <amprxc_> i ll try
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1909[14:32:57] <jelly> restart rsyslog service after that
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1916[14:37:45] <afidegnum> hello, i have exim4 and postfix on my server, how do i find the default runing one? can both run simultatnously ?
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1920[14:39:24] <eljotto> I bet there is just some package that I need to install --reinstall and it will recreate proper config files for Xorg
1921[14:39:36] <FinalX> if you have installed both, both will want to start by default. whichever starts first and is listening on those ports, will be the active one. try netstat or lsof -ni and look for listens
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1923[14:40:18] <petn-randall> afidegnum: You can't have both installed, they conflict each other.
1924[14:41:11] <petn-randall> afidegnum: As in, it's technically not possible, as the packages have "Conflicts: mail-transport-agent" in them, so if you select on to install, apt will remove the other.
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1926[14:41:29] <FinalX> petn-randall: exim4 doesn't provide mail-transport-agent
1927[14:41:38] <FinalX> oh, not looking at a debian system here.
1928[14:42:02] <ald3baran> i’m currently on debian stretch trying to run an X application at boot time through a systemd service. My systemd service is the simplest possible (WantedBy=multi-user.target and Environment=“DISPLAY=:0” , nothing more). It works when I’m running the service by hand but I’m getting a “DISPLAY=:0 unable to connect” error at boot time.
1929[14:42:22] <ald3baran> anyone knows how I could solve that?
1930[14:42:48] <petn-randall> FinalX: Yes, but exim4-daemon-{light,heavy} does, which the package exim4 depends on.
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1932[14:43:12] <FinalX> ah
1933[14:44:01] <petn-randall> ald3baran: You don't solve that with a systemd service, put that command into your desktop autostart.
1934[14:44:47] <afidegnum> petn-randall: how do i find the active running program ?
1935[14:45:00] <afidegnum> the active runing mail MTA ?
1936[14:45:57] <petn-randall> afidegnum: just run 'systemctl' if you're running sytemd and go through the list.
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1939[14:46:18] <jolt> sudo netstat -anp| grep 25 and see what's listening?
1940[14:47:01] <petn-randall> Or that, though the postfix process is confusingly called 'master'.
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1943[14:47:55] <ald3baran> thank you petn-randall
1944[14:48:02] <jolt> petn-randall: true true
1945[14:48:05] <eljotto> my debian doesnt boot anymore, what od I need to reinstall to get working X again_
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1948[14:48:45] <jelly> afidegnum: "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" is a good clue
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1950[14:49:03] <petn-randall> eljotto: Unplugging it and rebooting doesn't help?
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1952[14:49:21] <ald3baran> petn-randall: how can I debug my ~/config/autostart/myapp.desktop file if it doesn’t work too?
1953[14:49:47] <ald3baran> s/config/.config/
1954[14:49:56] <eljotto> petn-randall: it was the first thing I did. The device is long gone, but still end up with black screen
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1959[14:50:55] <petn-randall> eljotto: Then it might be something unrelated. Run 'systemctl' as root on the commandline and you should see a failing '*dm' service. You can then see the logs of it with 'journalctl -u <servicename>'.
1960[14:51:22] <afidegnum> thanks it's exim4-daemon
1961[14:51:24] <petn-randall> ald3baran: What DE are you using? They usually have a GUI for that so you don't have to edit files by hand.
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1984[14:55:54] <petn-randall> ald3baran: It should be configurable in Gnome Settings -> Sessions. But maybe a gnome user can help you better with this.
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1987[14:57:23] <ald3baran> Got it working thanks!
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1989[14:57:46] <ald3baran> Thanks for the help petn-randall
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1991[14:58:07] <eljotto> petn-randall: dont see any failing services
1992[14:58:34] <petn-randall> eljotto: What desktop manager do you use then?
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1995[14:59:38] <eljotto> sddm
1996[14:59:54] <eljotto> loaded active running, after grepping
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1998[15:00:14] <petn-randall> eljotto: What does 'journalctl -u sddm' give you? You can paste it to replaced-url
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2007[15:05:29] <eljotto> replaced-url
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2011[15:09:35] <petn-randall> eljotto: And on vt7 you get what exactly? A blank screen?
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2014[15:10:12] <eljotto> petn-randall: a black screen with single underscore in upper left corner
2015[15:11:14] <petn-randall> eljotto: Did you change anything in the X11 config?
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2017[15:11:50] <eljotto> many times, nothing recently
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2120[15:58:18] <superflit> what is the best way to clone a debian machine? move one server to another HW?
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2122[15:58:39] <petn-randall> superflit: Just put the old disks into the new machine.
2123[15:59:07] <superflit> petn-randall: only people who really worked inside datacenter could give an answer like that :)
2124[15:59:48] <petn-randall> :)
2125[16:00:21] <FinalX> heh :)
2126[16:00:31] * petn-randall is found guilty.
2127[16:00:45] <FinalX> alternatively, take disks out, dd from one to a new one, put new one in the new hardware
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2130[16:01:17] <jelly> right click on the source machine, Clone Virtual Machine -> pick new name -> pick new VM host
2131[16:01:19] * jelly hides
2132[16:01:47] <FinalX> he did mention hw :)
2133[16:02:11] <FinalX> but while we're at it, you can also dd to an image file and use that as a virtual harddisk for a vm, or vice versa, as well :)
2134[16:02:12] <jelly> yes, that's why I said to change the host
2135[16:02:23] <FinalX> hehe
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2138[16:04:26] <jelly> superflit: best for what? format the disks and filesystems, mount them, rsync --numeric-ids -PaxXsSH source:/mountpoint / for all mountpoints, fix the boot loader and initramfs, switch off the network on the old machine, reboot the new?
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2141[16:05:23] <jelly> sorry, no lowercase -s
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2145[16:07:53] <superflit> jelly: yes I was thinking about rsync, but curious if anyone has a better process for server + mysql + services
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2147[16:08:21] <jelly> superflit: to minimize downtime, consider doing rsync two times, an initial run with services running, and a (shorter) one while the source is cold. Also to minimize network dowmtime further, you might want to do gratuitous ARP (arping -U ... from iputils-arping package)
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2149[16:09:03] <jelly> superflit: if your database is TB sized you might want to deal with that separately. I don't know anything about mysql replication so no comments there.
2150[16:09:17] <superflit> jelly: mysql db is 100mb
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2153[16:09:26] <superflit> my concern is more about services and configs
2154[16:09:35] <superflit> thinking in rsyncing all...
2155[16:09:36] <jelly> then just rsync it while the services are down
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2157[16:10:23] <jelly> if you're replacing the old system all the config stays the same
2158[16:10:27] <petn-randall> 100 MB? That's tiny. Just dump and restore it on the new machine.
2159[16:10:56] <jelly> they already have to stop services and rsync /var the final time
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2162[16:11:11] <jelly> 100MB is a second on gigabit network
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2164[16:11:30] <jelly> dump and restore takes more time to type
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2167[16:11:56] <superflit> jelly: thinking in rsyincing /etc /usr/src /var /home /root /local
2168[16:12:00] <jelly> no
2169[16:12:03] <jelly> rsync everything
2170[16:12:20] <jelly> othewise you have a lot more work.
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2174[16:13:36] <jelly> rsyncing only some bits requires work in advance: installing the OS. Installing all the packages. Dealing with uid/gid differences.
2175[16:13:59] <petn-randall> (assuming there's no config management in place)
2176[16:14:08] <eljotto> petn-randall: I installed lightdm and chose it as default, it booted to login screen
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2181[16:14:58] <jelly> petn-randall: they would not rsync /etc if they had it (or ask the question. likely)
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2185[16:16:26] <eljotto> but after entering login and pass it gives me error - cant start plasma, cause it cant use opengl2, check gpu driver settings
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2191[16:17:28] <superflit> jelly: makes sense
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2195[16:19:32] <jelly> superflit: there's a dozen little things you can mess up, rsyncing everything from every mountpoint separately, with --numeric-ids, and (I forgot!) --delete, takes care about half of those
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2197[16:20:05] <jelly> second / final rsync definitely need --delete
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2200[16:20:41] <FinalX> sparse files that become non-sparse, or system/kernel stuff
2201[16:21:22] <superflit> jelly: why —delete ? and why not rsync / and let it make all? instead of going for each mount point?
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2206[16:21:59] <jelly> superflit: you don't want rsync to copy /proc
2207[16:22:13] <superflit> jelly: not even /dev
2208[16:22:18] <superflit> jelly: gotcha
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2210[16:22:33] <jelly> and you don't want files that don't exist any more on the source to exist again on the destination
2211[16:22:46] <FinalX> I had a 128GB looking file in /var and rsync was creating a real 128GB file on the rsync target.
2212[16:22:54] <FinalX> Thet source disk was only 16GB .. :)
2213[16:22:57] <FinalX> -t
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2216[16:23:28] <superflit> FinalX: why rsync was doing that?
2217[16:23:31] <jelly> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 243181781440 May 28 09:19 /var/log/lastlog
2218[16:23:36] <FinalX> ^
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2221[16:24:07] <FinalX> rsync doesn't know the actual size, so it stat()s the file and gets the size back, then it reads
2222[16:24:08] <jelly> du says it only uses 18MB
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2225[16:24:53] <superflit> so what is a good set of parameters to use for backup?
2226[16:24:58] <FinalX> like, "truncate -s 10G test" will create a 10GB looking sparse file, but rsync will probably create an emptu (actual) 10GB file on the target (not 100% sure) :)
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2228[16:25:13] <FinalX> but lastlog was indeed what was going on with mine
2229[16:25:15] <superflit> —numeric-ids —delete ?
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2231[16:25:53] <jelly> superflit: one that takes care of ownerships, permissions, xattrs, sparse files, hardlinks, not crossing filesystems
2232[16:26:00] <FinalX> faillog is another btw
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2235[16:26:32] <jelly> FinalX: serves you right for having users with uid in 100M range
2236[16:26:44] <FinalX> uh? :)
2237[16:26:50] <FinalX> I don't
2238[16:26:50] <superflit> jelly: may you share ?
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2241[16:27:06] <jelly> superflit: I already have
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2246[16:27:35] <FinalX> replaced-url
2247[16:27:52] <superflit> jelly: that master combo command?
2248[16:28:08] <jelly> yes, but that's from memory.
2249[16:28:18] <jelly> something like that.
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2251[16:28:34] <jelly> and -P is just for verbosity
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2253[16:29:44] <superflit> jelly: just discovered the whole thing is at /
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2256[16:29:54] <jelly> that just makes things simpler
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2259[16:30:01] <jelly> you still need -x
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2264[16:30:59] <jelly> (and why not --exclude /dev --exclude /proc --exclude /sys ...? Because then you have to remember to mkdir them manually)
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2276[16:33:10] <superflit> jelly: so the command got rsync —numeric-ids -PaxXsSSH / <target>
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2525[17:52:13] <kalpu> Hi, on jessie I do: " apt-get install cpp:armhf" and get: "cpp:armhf : Depends: cpp-4.9:armhf (>= 4.9.2-1~) but it is not going to be installed" E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages., .... any suggestion to fix this?
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2529[17:53:08] <noodlepie> try "apt- -f install"
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2535[17:56:23] <kalpu> already did this
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2538[17:56:48] <kalpu> any other ideas?
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2540[17:56:55] <kalpu> how to debug this?
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2544[17:58:08] <han-solo> apt-get update
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2574[18:11:21] <petn-randall> !bat
2575[18:11:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2576[18:11:33] <petn-randall> kalpu: Can you provide *all* of the above info in a single paste? ^^^
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2583[18:17:32] <asterismo_l> hi
2584[18:17:44] <asterismo_l> i came across an issue
2585[18:18:09] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2587[18:18:46] <asterismo_l> it seems that systemd is failing with this package "procps"
2588[18:18:48] <petn-randall> !bat
2589[18:18:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2590[18:18:53] <petn-randall> !localized errors
2591[18:18:53] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
2592[18:18:54] <asterismo_l> how do i fix this?
2593[18:19:28] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: Can you also provide data from the !bat factoid in a single paste? Look at the other factoid how to make it output in english.
2594[18:19:48] <asterismo_l> petn-randall, yes, i'm on it
2595[18:19:58] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2598[18:20:41] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2602[18:21:13] <asterismo_l> there
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2605[18:21:50] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: Thanks, you're only missing 3).
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2608[18:23:02] <asterismo_l> sorry
2609[18:23:04] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2610[18:24:13] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: Hmm, you're running systemd on jessie? That's interesting. Have you checked the output of 'systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service' and 'journalctl -xn' yet?
2611[18:24:34] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2612[18:24:58] <asterismo_l> i'm running debian 8 jessie amd64
2613[18:25:09] <asterismo_l> systemd comes with it, right?
2614[18:25:23] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: No, on jessie systemd was merely a tech preview.
2615[18:25:36] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: What does `journalctl -u systemd-sysctl.service` give you?
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2620[18:26:10] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2621[18:26:26] <asterismo_l> i had a reboot required by a recent kernel upgrde
2622[18:26:39] <asterismo_l> i restarted today
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2625[18:27:28] <asterismo_l> i tried te dist-upgrade yesterday but it failed, i think it was because of the reboot required
2626[18:27:38] <asterismo_l> but after reboot the error persisted
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2633[18:30:56] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: It seems as though simply your config for sysctl is broken. Check the config file /etc/sysctl.conf for errors.
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2638[18:31:15] <nirn> hi there
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2642[18:32:26] <nirn> sorry for the rush but.. i need to add a user to the sudoers file and i don't remember in wich line I have to add it
2643[18:32:32] <asterismo_l> petn-randall, ok
2644[18:32:49] <asterismo_l> i commented out these lines, and the error vanished
2645[18:33:01] <asterismo_l> kernel.random.write_wakeup_threshold = 4096
2646[18:33:09] <asterismo_l> kernel.random.read_wakeup_threshold = 4096
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2649[18:33:21] <asterismo_l> i had that for haveged daemon
2650[18:33:48] <asterismo_l> to expand system entropy
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2652[18:34:02] <asterismo_l> should i leave them commented out?
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2656[18:34:21] <han-solo> nirn: replaced-url
2657[18:35:30] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: You can fix it by running sysctl by hand and updating the config file until it's ok again.
2658[18:36:10] <asterismo_l> how i apply that manually?
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2660[18:36:44] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: 'man sysctl'
2661[18:37:01] <petn-randall> asterismo_l: 'syctl --system', I believe.
2662[18:37:22] <asterismo_l> syctl --system kernel.random.read_wakeup_threshold = 4096 ?
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2679[18:43:38] <kalpu> Hi, I have a problem with debian jessie and security updates: Please see more info here replaced-url
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2684[18:44:58] <tsarompy> ill check it out kalpu
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2687[18:45:29] <tsarompy> o0o0o0o conflicting packages eh
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2689[18:45:40] <tsarompy> kalpu: what do you get with apt-get -f install
2690[18:45:41] <kalpu> tsarompy: thx
2691[18:46:15] <kalpu> tsarompy: Nothing: "apt-get -f install -> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
2692[18:46:15] <kalpu> "
2693[18:46:31] <tsarompy> hmm
2694[18:46:39] <tsarompy> i would try installing them with aptitude and seeing what aptitude suggests
2695[18:47:08] <tsarompy> ive only mixed 386 and amd64 packages before so im not familiar with your situation
2696[18:47:08] <kalpu> kalpu: I can recreate the issue pretty easy by using "schroot" into another debian jessie and debootstrap.
2697[18:47:31] <kalpu> tsarompy: Already tried this. Doesn't work either.
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2699[18:48:05] <kalpu> tsarompy: Without secuirty packages it's working fine
2700[18:48:30] <tsarompy> aye
2701[18:48:45] <tsarompy> i dunno then. sorry i couldnt be of any help :(
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2703[18:49:13] <kalpu> tsarompy: Is here someone else who can have a look into replaced-url
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2705[18:49:46] <tsarompy> oh i dunno, youve pasted the link i'd just wait for a response
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2707[18:50:06] <kalpu> petn-randall: Could you please also have a look: replaced-url
2708[18:50:18] <kalpu> tsarompy: Thanks for your input.
2709[18:50:22] <tsarompy> :D
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2716[18:52:55] <ihammers> to kalpu: did you try install version amd64 first, and then armhf?
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2722[18:53:41] <kalpu> ihammers: sure, amd64 is already installed
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2724[18:54:15] <kalpu> the issue can be easily reproduced by setting up a debian jessie schroot
2725[18:55:00] <ihammers> to kalpu: in policy: cpp-4.9:armhf - installed.
2726[18:55:31] <kalpu> ihammers: I know, but on my normal system I tried the other way around.
2727[18:55:50] <kalpu> ihammers: It's either other
2728[18:55:51] <ihammers> to kalpu: ok.
2729[18:56:21] <petn-randall> kalpu: You're missing the output of 3) from the factoid.
2730[18:56:46] <leszek> I asked before no one was capable to help. Asking again if anyone can help me debugging an issue with live-config especially 0030-user-setup which takes about 6-7 minutes to work which is not acceptable. Issue seems to be the call to user-setup-apply. Commenting that out and I get a normal bootup (which is 4mins).
2731[18:57:02] <petn-randall> kalpu: Also, do you have a CPU that can run amd64 *and* armhf code?
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2733[18:57:27] <petn-randall> kalpu: If not, you're probably breaking your system.
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2737[18:58:19] <kalpu> petn-randall: :) good point. But how to install a cross-toolchain?
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2747[19:00:09] <kalpu> petn-randall: updated the pastebin with 3 replaced-url
2748[19:00:12] <petn-randall> kalpu: What do you exactly mean by that? You can compile for armhf with gcc for your architecture.
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2750[19:00:33] <petn-randall> kalpu: The arch you install with apt is only relevant for the CPU it's running on.
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2772[19:04:33] <kalpu> petn-randall: Thanks. Please let me rephrase my question: How do I get a crosscompiler for debian jessie to cross-compile armhf on amd64?
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2777[19:07:00] <petn-randall> kalpu: replaced-url
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2824[19:30:52] <BCMM> petn-randall: hmm, that makes me wonder if you can run multiarch debian with binfmt_misc and qemu-user
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2832[19:33:28] <BCMM> hmm, looks like you can, so it's not a *completely* bizarre way to do things if you want to be able to test your compiled binaries on amd64 as well as build them
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2849[19:45:00] <petn-randall> BCMM: It might just be insanely slow.
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2892[20:01:45] <Dat> I upgraded from wheezy to jessie and now altho my apache loads it doesn't seem to listen on any ports is this normal?
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2895[20:04:02] <jelly> Dat: ports.conf syntax is unchanged, but there are other issues going from 2.2 to apache 2.4 that might need fixing
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2898[20:05:03] <jelly> Dat: read replaced-url
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2901[20:06:15] <candidat> i love you debian
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2948[20:23:58] <Sepultura> Hallo
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2958[20:25:59] <candidat> i love debian, debian is the best linux distrib in the universe
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2960[20:26:08] <tsarompy> yus
2961[20:26:20] <tsarompy> debian is best linux
2962[20:26:31] <tsarompy> new ubuntu is lookin good too
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2966[20:27:27] <candidat> yes ubuntu is good too
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2968[20:27:43] <Sepultura> candidat, ORiginal UNIX is the best :P
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2971[20:28:05] <tsarompy> no it isnt
2972[20:28:08] <candidat> Sepultura freebsd?
2973[20:28:17] <tsarompy> gnu/linux > unix
2974[20:28:17] <candidat> i dont know much about unix
2975[20:28:19] <tsarompy> all day son
2976[20:28:22] <Sepultura> candidat, no the first UNIX ever
2977[20:28:46] <Sepultura> but BSD is indeed older than Linux
2978[20:29:01] <tsarompy> i used manjaro for a while and i felt like i was cheating on my wife
2979[20:29:04] <tsarompy> debian pls
2980[20:29:11] <candidat> bsd is used in bank and finance Sepultura ?
2981[20:29:17] <candidat> unix is used for banking
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2984[20:29:42] <Sepultura> candidat, MacOSX is based on BSD
2985[20:29:48] <Sepultura> PS3 I think the OS too
2986[20:29:57] <candidat> Sepultura ohh
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2991[20:30:25] <candidat> it s not too bad hey if they made a nice macosX
2992[20:30:49] <candidat> have you ever installed macOSX on virtualbox ?
2993[20:31:05] <tsarompy> youre gonna need a really beefy gpu to run os x on virtualbox bruh
2994[20:31:16] <Sepultura> candidat, Windows 1.0 :P
2995[20:31:23] <Sepultura> today the most secure OS ever
2996[20:31:32] <Sepultura> no Ransomware . No WannaCry
2997[20:31:38] <candidat> tsarompy gtx 1060 6gb ram is good enought ? :p
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3002[20:32:37] <Sepultura> Did the original UNIX have a GUI?
3003[20:32:39] <candidat> Sepultura windows 1.0 lol
3004[20:32:43] <rpifan> nop
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3006[20:33:08] <candidat> i want to try macOSX on virtualbox
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3008[20:34:23] <Sepultura> candidat, have you tried FreeBSD?
3009[20:34:36] <candidat> sepultura not really
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3011[20:34:49] <candidat> sepultura should i begin with freebsd?
3012[20:34:55] <Sepultura> candidat, for experimental use much friendlier
3013[20:35:14] <Sepultura> no SELINUX
3014[20:35:27] <candidat> Sepultura SELINUX ??
3015[20:35:39] <candidat> what is that ?
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3017[20:35:44] <Sepultura> Security-Enhanced Linux
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3022[20:36:10] <Sepultura> as I said for Experiments it is not necessary :P
3023[20:36:12] <FuriousGeorge> hi all
3024[20:37:03] <candidat> hi FuriousGeorge
3025[20:37:08] <FuriousGeorge> i know this isn't a debian-specific question, but is there any way to preserve the device node order when you add more disks to a server. i find switching them to be potentially very dangerous.
3026[20:37:19] <FuriousGeorge> s/server./server?
3027[20:37:22] <candidat> tsarompy amiga workbench :p
3028[20:37:31] <Sepultura> candidat, I use Linux on Workstation and BSD on Servers
3029[20:37:41] <Dat> jelly: thanks for the info
3030[20:37:48] <candidat> i use a commodore 64 to connect to internet :p
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3032[20:38:06] <candidat> with a 56k modem lol
3033[20:38:19] <Sepultura> candidat, I used OpenSuse (long time ago), Ubuntu, Debian and FEDORA (Debian and Fedora are used until today=
3034[20:38:46] <FuriousGeorge> i have identical motherboards, with identical raid cards in identical slots, but a few extra disks in one. one maintains sda as sda after adding more disks, the other moves it to sde. a third does something else because the disks in that one are slightly different
3035[20:38:51] <FuriousGeorge> it's confusing as heck
3036[20:39:52] <candidat> Sepultura i want your knowledge, all of it ! :D apt-get install Sepultura brain
3037[20:40:29] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: That's why UUIDs.
3038[20:40:35] <candidat> yes BSD is very secure i was told by a friend
3039[20:40:45] <candidat> i dont know fedora
3040[20:40:52] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: but i wish to keep using device nodes
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3044[20:41:30] <candidat> what are the difference in term of command lines do you need to learn all the basic cmd tools ?
3045[20:41:33] <jhutchins> That's why you use UUID.
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3048[20:42:10] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: UUID exists because that happens, it's the solution to changing node names.
3049[20:42:12] <Sepultura> Is there anyone here who is using Wayland?
3050[20:42:34] <jhutchins> !wyland
3051[20:42:36] <jhutchins> !wayland
3052[20:42:36] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
3053[20:42:42] <candidat> wyland ?
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3055[20:42:57] <jhutchins> candidat: Lazy a.
3056[20:43:05] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: that adds extra steps every time you get to a server. and i don't think it eliminates the added danger completely. now you have to cross reference uuid with node. someone can confuse 87ab with 78ba once, and still hose the wrong data.
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3059[20:43:30] <BCMM> Sepultura: was that a lead-up to asking about a Wayland problem, or just making conversation?
3060[20:43:33] <FuriousGeorge> if anything, i could start a convention of alias names to use
3061[20:43:43] <FuriousGeorge> that adds steps but no danger
3062[20:43:47] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: You can't eliminate human error, but you can prevent the nodes from switching when they mount automatically from the fstab.
3063[20:44:08] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: If you want to mount manually by name, call the mount point instead of the device.
3064[20:44:12] <Sepultura> BCMM, just conversation if anyone here really switched
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3066[20:44:28] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: Sure. Go right ahead and re-write udev.
3067[20:44:40] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: The people who could have done that implemented UUID instead.
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3070[20:45:29] <candidat> :)
3071[20:46:32] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: i thought this was a feature of udev already. googling it i'm finding scripts and whatnot
3072[20:46:32] <jhutchins> FuriousGeorge: AFIK, hard drives don't present any unique identification when they are connected to the adapter, so we put a unique signature in the data and use that.
3073[20:47:00] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: that makes sense
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3075[20:47:20] <BCMM> Sepultura: i try out the wayland version of kwin/plasma from time-to-time. still kind of missing a few features
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3077[20:47:39] <Tenkawa> jhutchins: if it has a block device it should present a uuid
3078[20:47:58] <BCMM> global menus don't current seem to work, X-style selection is apparently *never* going to work (i.e. no middle-click paste functionality whatsoever)
3079[20:48:04] <Tenkawa> and the drive itself is its own block device
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3081[20:48:28] <BCMM> but it is already a bit less visually glitchy than X11
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3084[20:49:17] <Tenkawa> dont quote me though running blkid from cli should be able to verify. i'm on my ipad atm so i cant test
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3088[20:49:41] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: part of my gripe is that this is for a proxmox ha 'cluster', and so you kind of expect to be nodes to be identical from a conceptual standpoint... granted, proxmox provides the abstraction for storage so that it does not matter for gui stuff
3089[20:50:04] <FuriousGeorge> as to mounting in fstab, perhaps i can do something with that
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3095[20:53:08] <Tenkawa> cheers all gotta run
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3103[20:54:19] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: thanks for your help. as to not being able to eliminate human error: that's true, but it doesn't need to be encouraged either
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3125[21:03:47] <candidat> yes.
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3131[21:05:55] <FuriousGeorge> jhutchins: so, conceptually, i could make a 1.44mb partition on a disk that i want to lock in at a node letter, and mount it in fstab using the node letter, and solve my problem
3132[21:06:07] <FuriousGeorge> is that correct?
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3147[21:12:13] <jelly> FuriousGeorge: use /dev/disk/by-uuid/blahblah
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3151[21:13:12] <jelly> there are other interesting symlink farms under /dev/disk/
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3160[21:17:04] <xormor> how do I make the folders on my desktop open with a double-click?
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3163[21:17:53] <FuriousGeorge> jelly: i know and i don't like any of them. maybe im old school. sda and sdb mean something to me. uuids and labels mean nothing
3164[21:18:02] <FuriousGeorge> here is a label:
3165[21:18:03] <FuriousGeorge> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 26 11:03 Backups -> ../../zd32p1
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3168[21:19:04] <FuriousGeorge> here is a disk by path
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3170[21:19:07] <FuriousGeorge> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 28 01:43 pci-0000:05:00.0-sas-phy1-lun-0 -> ../../sdh
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3173[21:20:11] <FuriousGeorge> partuuids:
3174[21:20:11] <FuriousGeorge> 2945e85a-484d-b54e-a837-cb36610a681b 892954e8-0d66-2f44-973f-4326762b3506 5a89ad88-ed8e-4d32-8d81-3df35f1b0b36 894fd0b7-e6b5-4377-8abf-ba6d1012276a
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3178[21:22:05] <FuriousGeorge> and of course, these point back to the node names, which now tell me nothing, so i still have another cross referencing step before i can do something to a disk, and each step adds a chance for a mistake
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3180[21:22:51] <FuriousGeorge> i.e. i gotta check my volume management to match the volume to the node
3181[21:23:16] <somiaj> FuriousGeorge: run blkid (note /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, can change depending on how you boot. Some systems will detect usb drives before hard drives, so /dev/sda may be your main drive, but if you boot with a usb thub drive in the system, /dev/sda is now the thumb drive and /dev/sdb is the main drive
3182[21:23:31] <somiaj> hence, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, can be an unrealiable way to identify parititions.
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3184[21:24:15] <FuriousGeorge> somiaj: im mostly griping that this is the case, but i won't beat a dead horse
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3187[21:25:02] <somiaj> well kernel just names first come, first serve. blkid is a nice tool that links the two, it shows both, including parition labels, and filesystems.
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3194[21:31:48] <gnomon> Is it at all possible that someone visiting the Debian Wiki URL (replaced-url
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3196[21:32:19] <gnomon> Asking because that's observed behaviour and I'm trying to guide someone towards either pursuing internal escalation channels or public-facing Debian documentation on the topic.
3197[21:32:34] <slavanap> Hi! Why libtinyxml2 does not support XML DTD nodes, like <?xml ... ?> ? Is update planned to fix the issue?
3198[21:32:36] <gnomon> (and I've failed to find anything through a cursory googling)
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3201[21:35:05] <somiaj> gnomon: You may need to contact the wiki admins. You aren't trying to connect via tor or some other tool like that?
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3204[21:35:47] <somiaj> gnomon: the wiki has had a lot of attacks, and the admins solution has been block certain access. But this sounds like something else. One second.
3205[21:35:51] <gnomon> somiaj, I'm not trying to connect at all - can't replicate the fault, it works for me - but the person experiencing the issue is not using Tor, no.
3206[21:36:12] <gnomon> Thank you very much, I'm grateful for the response and the investigation.
3207[21:36:29] <somiaj> gnomon: anyway you could say use a vpn on that persons network to see if it is their network.
3208[21:36:36] <somiaj> I mean if you wanted to debug it more
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3210[21:37:55] <gnomon> somiaj, yeah, he's got a workaround - personal machine on an LTE connection - I'm just seeking help because now that his service is restored, I'm interested in the root cause. Thank you for the good advice, though.
3211[21:38:31] <somiaj> gnomon: replaced-url
3212[21:38:41] <somiaj> scoll down to get the admin/issues contact info
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3214[21:38:46] <FuriousGeorge> somiaj: blkid is useful in this context. might as well get with the times. thanks
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3216[21:39:39] <gnomon> somiaj, thank you very much. I'll reach out directly. Again, really appreciate the help and guidance, cheers.
3217[21:40:30] <FuriousGeorge> somiaj: i can create nodes in /dev/disk/by-letter/ and pick an arbitrary name for my root disk, perhaps C ;) or not
3218[21:41:02] <somiaj> FuriousGeorge: I think you want to use udev for this and not make nodes yourself.
3219[21:41:13] <FuriousGeorge> somiaj: i was jk
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3221[21:41:32] <FuriousGeorge> ty for the pointers
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3224[21:43:13] <candidat> :)
3225[21:43:18] <candidat> release the kraken
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3238[21:51:21] <Mr_Queue> somiaj: Turned out to be a lot easier. The user account was comped..
3239[21:51:36] <Mr_Queue> somiaj: systemd from yesterday....
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3242[21:52:55] <somiaj> tracked down what was running then, good work!
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3245[21:53:40] <somiaj> hopefully it was just that user account, if you have any doubt of what was compermised, assume everything and reintsall.
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3247[21:54:06] <Mr_Queue> Naw, it was just that account..
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3249[21:55:07] <Mr_Queue> was an rtorrent rpc exploit that got it. They attempted to setup a tor relay but the CnC server was taken down so it was hung in the process.
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3275[22:13:07] <GenTooMan> How does one switch the the network device under Debian? I want to USE a realtek base 10/100 USB device instead of the built in NIC (yes it is not work
3276[22:13:19] <GenTooMan> Ahh return always when
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3279[22:13:27] <GenTooMan> \I don't want it too .. argh
3280[22:14:41] <Mr_Queue> GenTooMan: Re-order them in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
3281[22:14:45] <Mr_Queue> Then bounce the box.
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3286[22:18:13] <GenTooMan> Quick look says the USB device isn't listed, usb-devices state what it is its ether id and serial # which likely is it's MAC # so that would be also an issue with the modules no?
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3288[22:18:21] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: I woudln't suggest using that anymore, that is a old sysv hack, persistant network naming is now suggested.
3289[22:18:36] <somiaj> GenTooMan: depends on how you configure your network. Debian's default is the /etc/network/interfaces file, edit that to your needs.
3290[22:19:04] <somiaj> GenTooMan: It could be you need firmware for that device. You'll have to give more info on the actual device, but firmware-realtek from non-free has the firmware for realtek devices
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3294[22:19:51] <somiaj> I think one of the wired realtek devices needs firmware, but unsure which.
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3297[22:20:19] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: sorry not persistant, perdicitable. There are ways to control this, and that old file still works, is just not suggested.
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3312[22:30:10] <GenTooMan> you know now I have to go look, then bypass the obvious problem of no network to install, stop making me think! (humor, really)
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3320[22:32:26] <GenTooMan> somiaj: so firmware-realtek (20161130-3) [non-free] is under non-free, since I can't use synaptic or apt to get it from that machine any suggestions?
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3322[22:32:56] <GenTooMan> somiaj: oh it's a Realtek RTL8151 chip apparently.
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3325[22:35:45] <mnuhmnuh> GenTooMan: dload the .deb to usbkey?
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3329[22:40:16] <sphere_man> I ran "pv < /dev//sda > /dev/sdb" instead of "pv < /dev/sda > /dev/sdb" (wanted to clone SSD), now my system won't boot and falls to initramfs. I tried to run recovery with old kernel but it doesn't work (same error). Is there any way to recover? :(
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3336[22:43:30] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: i'd expect the second "/" to be ignored. anything else going on you've not mentioned, thought of?
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3343[22:45:57] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: Here is what I'm getting upon startup replaced-url
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3345[22:46:27] <sphere_man> I tried some troubleshooting I found on askubuntu but some of the things people mention is when they can get into system via recovery, which I can't
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3350[22:47:40] <somiaj> GenTooMan: hmm, not finding much info on that chip. dmesg | grep firmware will let you know if firmware filed to load
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3358[22:48:34] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: at that link i see like two lines, login to a db?
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3361[22:49:13] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: use paste.debian.net
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3363[22:49:46] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: replaced-url
3364[22:49:52] <sphere_man> db?
3365[22:49:53] <somiaj> GenTooMan: seems it should be using the rtl8150 module, does lsmod | grep rtl return that module being loaded?
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3372[22:53:35] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: "WARNING" Device /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt ghas suze if 387891312 sectors which is smaller than corresponding PV size of 499611648 sectors. Was device resized?" i'd point fsck/gparted/yada yada type fix partition utilities at it.
3373[22:54:28] <mnuhmnuh> systemrescuecd?
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3381[22:57:24] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: I will download it and make live USB, hopefully it's user friendly because I am relatively new to Linux.
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3384[22:57:43] <GenTooMan> somiaj: first dmesg | grep firmware (nothing) 2nd lsmod | grep rtl (nothing) so my guess is no. I can't find a listing for 8150 support either
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3390[23:01:36] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: system rescue cd is very easy to use. hope it has the tools you need.
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3392[23:02:08] <GenTooMan> somiaj: let me reboot and check the dmesg report information, a lot of time has gone by since boot
3393[23:02:39] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: there may be a better way, but this should help you research the situation.
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3406[23:13:07] <GenTooMan> somiaj: So no but it does recognize there is a USB device but does not say a thing more. Maybe I should find my apple USB device ... somewhere in this stuff.
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3409[23:15:21] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: Well, this is what fixed it. I started GParted and deleted all partitions on my second SSD (to which I was cloning) - made it all unlocated space, now I can get into system
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3411[23:16:06] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: however, now I have no idea what should I do about cloning, is the pv command not recommended?
3412[23:16:18] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: it was trying to boot the clone.
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3416[23:17:20] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: How does that work? (sorry if stupid question, just want to know what was underlying issue). Does this mean it made extended partition on second hard drive?
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3418[23:18:34] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: not stupid; rhetorical. you were there, not me.
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3422[23:20:02] <mnuhmnuh> fyi, i've no familiarity w pv; "Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through" # wut?
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3427[23:21:30] <sphere_man> mnuhmnuh: only reason I used it was because of post on superuser that said "My research suggests, that using dd is rather deprecated method.". I also was kind of scared because "disc destroyer" can do wonders
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3432[23:23:49] <mnuhmnuh> sphere_man: ah. should'a lurked more. no, dd's cool, though often overkill. "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX" (usbkey) works great.
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3442[23:26:10] <Necrony> sphere_man, mnuhmnuh pv is good combo with dd... if you want to know how much % till things are copied.. #dd if=/dev/sdX | pv -pbtr -s | dd of=/dev/sdXx
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3444[23:26:57] <Necrony> where -s you need to add bytes from fdisk -l for the source
3445[23:27:59] <mnuhmnuh> Necrony: so sphere_man was using it wrong, methinks.
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3484[23:55:47] <GenTooMan> somiaj: well in the end all I found was the source for a module with some cryptic installation notes from Realtek. I'll see if that works otherwise I have to start hunting down my Apple USB adapter which works with everything I've tested it with. Thanks
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