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83 [00:40:30] <Azrael_-> hi
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86 [00:41:04] <bharmonic> hiya
87 [00:41:19] <Mike> can anyone help me with that issue ? replaced-url
88 [00:41:36] <bharmonic> are we in #debian or #debian-overflow?
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90 [00:41:45] <Azrael_-> currently i'm trying to set up bacula but in the example config files there is no Storage-section in the director config file. is this a valid configuration or do i miss something?
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97 [00:42:49] <brutser> hi guys, im using tails, which is debian based right (?) - the livecd is not getting ip from my local dhcp, what/where should i look for?
98 [00:42:53] <bharmonic> bacula? what is wrong with tar and cp?
99 [00:43:16] <Azrael_-> bharmonic: incremental/rolling backups
100 [00:43:22] <Azrael_-> and saving space
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102 [00:44:34] <bharmonic> be carefull with 'incremental' one bad increment and poof
103 [00:45:04] <Azrael_-> i know
104 [00:45:13] <Mike> can anyone help me with that issue ? replaced-url
105 [00:45:14] <bharmonic> rsync?
106 [00:45:20] <Azrael_-> currently i just want to test it out
107 [00:45:37] <Azrael_-> bharmonic: i already tested all of the basic ones. want to try out bacula now
108 [00:45:38] <bharmonic> Mike: how about another pastbin that can be dnsed
109 [00:46:36] <bharmonic> Azrael_-: more interested int he tools then the data? :)
110 [00:46:46] <Mike> bharmonic, replaced-url
111 [00:47:07] <Mike> bharmonic, what means dnsed?
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113 [00:47:36] <Azrael_-> bharmonic: already had the tools-discussion a lot of times. i know the risks, advantages and disadvantages. now i want to go from theory to praxis
114 [00:48:01] <Azrael_-> praxis = practical tryout
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118 [00:48:49] <noodlepie> practically
119 [00:48:53] <bharmonic> Mike if that is it's real name does locate show it ? what about which ? is it in a $PATH
120 [00:48:58] <Azrael_-> k
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122 [00:49:26] <bharmonic> i love tools
123 [00:49:41] <noodlepie> Tools are good to do things with
124 [00:50:23] <bharmonic> tools in scripts (dd tar what does bacula acutally use?)
125 [00:50:38] <Azrael_-> bacula uses its own tools
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128 [00:51:07] <Mike> bharmonic, root@Mike:~# which nvidia-smi
129 [00:51:07] <Mike> root@Mike:~# locate nvidia-smi
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132 [00:52:00] <Mike> bharmonic, replaced-url
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135 [00:52:47] <Mike> bharmonic, root@Mike:~# nvidia-
136 [00:52:47] <Mike> nvidia-bug-report.sh nvidia-debugdump nvidia-modprobe nvidia-persistenced nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig
137 [00:53:03] <Mike> no -smi
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139 [00:53:15] <bharmonic> Mike: the mvidia-smi doesn't seem to be installed
140 [00:53:37] <Mike> but it is inside the "tools"
141 [00:53:42] <noodlepie> replaced-url
142 [00:54:13] <noodlepie> bharmonic, "locate nvidia-smi"?
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144 [00:54:55] <blaztek> apt install nvidia-smi maybe
145 [00:55:20] <bharmonic> nvidia-smi_340.102-1_amd64.deb
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149 [00:55:55] <bharmonic> noodlepie: that works after apt-get install locate :)
150 [00:56:30] <noodlepie> NVIDIA-smi ships with NVIDIA GPU display drivers on Linux, and with 64bit Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7.
151 [00:56:48] <Mike> blaztek, yes that works . strange coz till today that was always installed with cuda-tools
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154 [00:57:15] <noodlepie> That doc is old!
155 [00:57:24] <noodlepie> windows 2008 and v7 and all
156 [00:58:49] <Mike> so since it works how to make it "supported" ?replaced-url
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158 [01:00:24] <bharmonic> Mike: can you cuda with just 1 gpu?
159 [01:00:41] <Mike> yes
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161 [01:01:01] <Mike> bharmonic, even on my laptop is a sticker cuda
162 [01:01:14] <bharmonic> what kind of algorithm/code you gonna run?
163 [01:01:32] <Mike> just testing for hashes
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167 [01:02:19] <bharmonic> hash collusions?
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174 [01:04:03] <Mike> is that gonna solve my issue ? :P
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177 [01:04:18] <bharmonic> cudalicious
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184 [01:05:26] <bharmonic> Azrael_-: i'z gots the greatest argument against daz bacula - any backup tool that requires a config file - that can be messed with .. is to be avoided
185 [01:05:59] <Azrael_-> bharmonic: feel free to stick to this. i'll try out bacula :)
186 [01:07:20] <bharmonic> ... not until someone gives you a working config file :) while i tar up the world until that occurs
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190 [01:08:25] <bharmonic> Azrael_-: when you do come back to reality ... using J with tar is pretty slow - but worth the size reduction
191 [01:09:28] <Azrael_-> there are even better tools for size-reduction
192 [01:09:33] <Azrael_-> have a look at rsnapshot
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194 [01:09:43] <Mike> ok thx for help.indeed cudalicious
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196 [01:10:03] <bharmonic> what ? you can't get better reduction the xz
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200 [01:10:50] <Azrael_-> you easily can. rsnapshot offers you to keep multiple backups and reduces the size by using hard links for files which havent changed
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206 [01:16:50] <Zathras> bharmonic, bacula can be a steep learning curve, but it is quite powerful
207 [01:17:15] <Zathras> oeps. Azrael_- I mean
208 [01:18:09] <Zathras> tar is not a backup system. All major enterprise backupsystems are complex beasts, but much more powerful
209 [01:18:46] <Azrael_-> Zathras: mind giving me some hints? (unfortunately #bacula isn't very active)
210 [01:19:37] <Zathras> bacula is an enterprise tool so #bacula is not very active at non-office hours
211 [01:19:49] <bharmonic> mmm #tar is a hopping disco - i wonder why bacula has noone to give it love?
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213 [01:20:18] <bharmonic> non-office hours? in australia or europea ?? lol
214 [01:20:24] <Zathras> I will join that channel, tell me there what you want to know
215 [01:20:47] <Zathras> euh... weekend?
216 [01:21:22] <bharmonic> enterprise isn't in wikipedia except buzzword section
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236 [01:31:29] <bharmonic> anyone have a question where tar xJf is the correct answer
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240 [01:34:47] <annadane> does anyone have an idea why fvwm refuses to keep my wallpaper? .xinitrc contains "$ ~/.fehbg &" and i use feh --bg-fill /path/to/file and i made .xinitrc executable
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244 [01:39:20] <nbm> hi people, using the firefox-esr that comes with debian, how can i make it cache on ram and not write disk?
245 [01:40:00] <nbm> browser.cache.disk.enable is false, but still caching stuff...
246 [01:40:11] <bharmonic> annadane: make sure the .xinitrc is even run put xterm & in it to see
247 [01:40:53] <bharmonic> nbm what about cache file to a /ramdrive?
248 [01:41:07] <nbm> no idea how to do that
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251 [01:43:11] <nbm> bharmonic: i'll check more about it, thanks
252 [01:43:16] <annadane> bharmonic, no joy, here's what my .xinitrc looks like replaced-url
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255 [01:44:36] <bharmonic> annadane: are you starting x yourself with startx in a tty?
256 [01:44:57] <annadane> bharmonic, i'm selecting fvwm from the lightdm drop-down menu
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258 [01:45:32] <bites> lightdm doesn't invoce .xinitrc
259 [01:46:55] <bharmonic> the .xinitrc is run when x is first started not when changing wm . is there a fwwm startup file ?
260 [01:47:17] <annadane> probably, not one i've ever made myself though
261 [01:47:20] <annadane> i can look into it
262 [01:47:55] <bharmonic> put fwwm in the .xinitrc and then try it
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264 [01:48:32] <annadane> bharmonic, so what i posted above and just "fvwm" by itself on the last line?
265 [01:48:41] <bharmonic> isn't fvwm ugly? fluxbox is better :)
266 [01:48:57] <annadane> well, i'm experimenting, i can also try fluxbox
267 [01:48:59] <bharmonic> annadane: ys
268 [01:49:16] <annadane> it's relatively ugly initially, yes
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270 [01:49:53] <annadane> ok brb
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273 [01:50:40] <annadane> bharmonic, still no joy
274 [01:51:24] <annadane> it's possible logging in wasn't the initial "trigger" and it'd work if i do it again
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276 [01:51:30] <annadane> let me just rule that out first, brb...
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278 [01:52:00] <bharmonic> i replaced systemd with sysv so in /etc/inittab i changed to init 2 on boot then i can type startx and it will run the .xinitrc? is the .xinitrc in /root/.xinitrc
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281 [01:54:47] <annadane> bharmonic, yeah, i'm getting nothing here
282 [01:54:54] <bites> lightdm.conf has a session-setup-script= option that might do what you want.
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285 [01:55:48] <annadane> i have no lightdm.conf, i probably have to create it
286 [01:56:10] <annadane> ~/.config/lightdm.conf, right?
287 [01:56:26] <bites> if you are using lightdm it's there. /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
288 [01:56:32] <annadane> ah, ok
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293 [01:59:43] <bharmonic> ann... you can start a second x and not end this one \
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298 [02:02:30] <bharmonic> the sweet caress of alcohol early in the afternoon
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301 [02:05:15] <annadane> well, i give up, adding feh --bg-fill /path/to/image just throws lightdm into a login loop
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303 [02:06:04] <annadane> this was after i deleted the .xinitrc entries i added because i assumed i didn't need them, i don't think it's related
304 [02:06:44] <bharmonic> you can install xinit?
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306 [02:06:54] <bites> lightdm doesn't care about your xinitrc. startx and xinit use it.
307 [02:06:54] <bharmonic> and have a true startx
308 [02:07:16] <annadane> i guess...
309 [02:07:39] <bharmonic> and then you can have gnome kde and of course fluxbox
310 [02:07:53] <bharmonic> ... at your real ocntrol
311 [02:07:58] <annadane> i'll fiddle with it some other time
312 [02:08:05] <bharmonic> no ... now
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314 [02:09:13] <annadane> oh maybe i also need to uncomment seat
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317 [02:11:15] <bites> there has to be one uncommented [Seat:*] already. below that are the relevant options.
318 [02:11:34] <namll> I am trying to install pepperflashplugin-nonfree, but it says its not found when using apt install. browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is located, but not sure if it matters which one I download. I am using chromium, but i ask because previously I could only get flash to work with firefox.
319 [02:12:23] <bites> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
320 [02:12:24] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
321 [02:12:35] <bites> it's not in stretch.
322 [02:13:12] <jim> well as you might know, you can start a second (etc) x, giving it unique VCs and display identifiers... these x displays can xdmcp into the xdm (or other *dm) if the *dm's config permits
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324 [02:13:22] <namll> bites: what are the options if not available with stretch?
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328 [02:13:40] <noodlepie> XDMCP is great
329 [02:13:53] <bharmonic> namll: source?
330 [02:14:36] <bites> source for flash?
331 [02:14:54] <bharmonic> gnash
332 [02:15:09] <bharmonic> flash is dead btw
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336 [02:15:46] * jessica523 smiles thinking about a world without Flash
337 [02:15:58] <somiaj> you can download the old flash from adobe, and get it to work, but adobe is dropping support in 2020 (for all flash this time) and hopefully by then websites have moved away from it
338 [02:16:02] <namll> flash is dead, but a site i use still needs to use it. So sorry for my confusion, is pepper flash available for stretch?
339 [02:16:21] <somiaj> but some sites have no choice. I personally use google-chrome when I need flash as I find it easier to matain than downloading my own plugin
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341 [02:16:45] <somiaj> namll: you have to either use google-chome, or download it from adobe and configure chromium to use it
342 [02:17:07] <namll> somiaj: ty
343 [02:17:11] <bharmonic> jessica523: that is the same file i give thinking about a world without smallpox
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347 [02:17:52] <bharmonic> s/file/smile
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352 [02:20:26] <jessica523> bharmonic, It's important not to trivialize the harm caused by Flash by comparing it to smallpox.
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355 [02:22:05] <somiaj> flash had its place. Taken to long to move away from it, and just like many things, it was over used.
356 [02:22:20] <drakonis> hmm
357 [02:22:28] <drakonis> this isn't directly related to debian but
358 [02:23:01] <drakonis> well, devuan, really, what's the relation it has with debian right now other than run a mirror of the servers with overlaid packages
359 [02:23:32] <somiaj> you will have to ask devuan what their model is, debian doesn't follow what derivatives do with their systems.
360 [02:23:33] <bites> it's just another fork. don't know what relation you mean.
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362 [02:23:50] <jim> somiaj, probably the most important thing flash did is enable youtube
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364 [02:24:20] <drakonis> i'm wondering whether they're helping out instead of just coasting on debian lol
365 [02:24:31] <somiaj> their main model is to provided debian without systemd, how much other stuff they do or work they put into it, is kinda unknown to most debian users, hence a devuan channel should be able to explain such things
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367 [02:25:22] <somiaj> drakonis: like any derivatives, there is some help, if the devs report bugs back to upstream as they find them. But that is how open source works, people are free to do with it what they want (depending on the license, copy left requires provide source code, and keep copyrights/license around, and some other details)
368 [02:25:41] <somiaj> jim: that over simplifies it. Flash provided a untility that html did not originally.
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370 [02:26:01] <bites> i bet they would love merging back to debian, lol.
371 [02:26:03] <somiaj> jim: but just like people have crappy web pages, there were plenty that also had crappy flash apps, that were not needed.
372 [02:26:14] <precise> Hit my first "too stable" issue with Debian Stretch just now, namely GNOME 3.22, this extension, GSConnect needs >3.24, grrrrr
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374 [02:27:57] <jim> , v gnome
375 [02:27:59] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.22+9; sid: 1:3.22+9
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377 [02:28:13] <drakonis> still no updated nvidia driver for xorg 1.20
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379 [02:28:18] <drakonis> c'mon maintainers
380 [02:28:27] <precise> jim: that's a cool bot
381 [02:28:29] <jim> wow, 3.24 not even in sid or experimental
382 [02:28:39] <precise> jim: I thought it was..
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384 [02:28:55] <bites> pretty sure it is.
385 [02:28:56] <somiaj> precise: I think if you look closer, you can find older versions of the extension, also check to see if debian packages it.
386 [02:28:56] <drakonis> it is on 3.28
387 [02:29:03] <bites> ,v gnome-shell
388 [02:29:04] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-3; buster: 3.28.2-1; sid: 3.28.2-1
389 [02:29:05] <jim> precise, it's themill's
390 [02:29:13] <bites> ,v gdm
391 [02:29:15] <judd> No package named 'gdm' was found in amd64.
392 [02:29:15] <precise> bites: That's better
393 [02:29:20] <drakonis> you want gdm3
394 [02:29:40] <jim> ,v gdm3
395 [02:29:41] <judd> Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.22.3-3+deb9u1; buster: 3.28.1-1; sid: 3.28.1-1
396 [02:29:43] <somiaj> jim: that may not be the total truth, gnome is a metapackge, and it could be a transition and parts of the newer ones are making it into buster/stretch
397 [02:29:51] <precise> Different between gnome-shell, gdm, and gdm3?
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399 [02:30:09] <somiaj> one is a meta package, the other is actuall software, sometimes debian finds itself in a mixed state
400 [02:30:30] <jim> somiaj, yeah, they found the right packages to check
401 [02:30:33] <precise> somiaj: I don't understand, do you mind breaking that down for me?
402 [02:31:03] <jim> !meta package
403 [02:31:05] <somiaj> precise: gnome is a collection of 100s of packages, it takes a bit for all of them to make it into sid, then into buster. Often times things are at a mixed state during this transition period.
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405 [02:31:16] <precise> Hrm
406 [02:31:17] <precise> replaced-url
407 [02:31:35] <precise> Close
408 [02:31:36] <jim> !metapackage
409 [02:31:36] <dpkg> A metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
410 [02:32:10] <precise> So a symlink to the actual package, that can go out of date?
411 [02:32:34] <somiaj> precise: replaced-url
412 [02:32:39] <bites> though the version numbers for many parts of gnome are not in sync with main project version. it's a bit of a mess.
413 [02:32:46] <somiaj> precise: the metapcakge only needs to get updated if the package names it depends on change, not the version.
414 [02:32:53] <precise> Gotchya
415 [02:32:57] <precise> Thanks somiaj, jim :)
416 [02:33:41] <jim> welcome
417 [02:34:58] <precise> brb, restarting gnome
418 [02:37:00] * precise just learned about ALT+F2 -> r
419 [02:37:05] <precise> yay
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439 [02:50:04] <bharmonic> gnome is too big
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442 [02:50:30] <somiaj> all DE's are these day, just go traditional, take a wm, and install/configure the software you want.
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444 [02:51:42] <bharmonic> i run just dillo and xterm on x - no wm (sometime fluxbox)
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453 [02:58:53] <bharmonic> okay okay i give ... i am a stinking kde user
454 [02:59:52] <somiaj> debian provides choice, and that is something I like, be able to choose what suits your usecase/needs best.
455 [03:00:06] <precise> somiaj: ++
456 [03:00:14] <precise> I considered moving to i3
457 [03:00:33] <precise> But I decided not to because I've become to set in my Gnome3 DE
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460 [03:02:15] <somiaj> I started using fvwm in about 2000, and haven't switched away. I'd probably be a gnome user had I started with hardare gnome would have ran on. But at the time gnome was way to slow on my p3, 600mhz
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467 [03:04:00] <bharmonic> it might not have been gnome per se but all the things started and running in the background ps -ewf
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483 [03:16:25] <bharmonic> why is debian still compiling selinux into stuff?
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485 [03:17:29] <somiaj> because of choice, and usually this is a dependency on a lib that is small, and for users who want to use selinux, it allows them too
486 [03:17:45] <somiaj> though apparmor I think is going to become default in buster, or last I heard that was the plan.
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492 [03:21:53] <bharmonic> isn't apparmour suing linus?
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494 [03:22:08] <somiaj> don't really know, and that seems off topic.
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500 [03:24:41] <bharmonic> you kidding? everything you've said since i got here has been offtopic?
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504 [03:26:42] <drakonis> uh what
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507 [03:27:58] <somiaj> offtopic comments happen, but most of it was loosly around debian. I was just pointing out talking about appamor suing linus is getting quite a bit aways.
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532 [03:50:16] <seanicus> Hey, what's that service that is on all the linux distros now that's controversial? like init.d but not that
533 [03:50:32] <seanicus> the service that handles services
534 [03:50:34] <rpifan> systemd
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536 [03:51:04] <seanicus> so what's the way to restart gnome using systemd?
537 [03:51:20] <rpifan> sudo service ....
538 [03:51:35] <antto> sudo?
539 [03:52:18] <rpifan> you want superuser
540 [03:52:19] <rpifan> im sure
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542 [03:52:30] <antto> is this ubuntu or debian?
543 [03:52:47] <antto> seanicus it's not on "all" linux distros
544 [03:52:56] <antto> maybe it's on "most"
545 [03:53:10] <themill> and wouldn't be starting gnome
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547 [03:53:59] <seanicus> I know about sudo, that clearly wasn't the command I wasn't for. It was service gdm3 restart though
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549 [03:54:38] <seanicus> display manager but whatever, did what i wanted it to
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551 [03:54:50] <rpifan> well im not a wizard
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554 [03:55:13] <seanicus> rpifan: yea but my question had nothing to do specifically about permissions...
555 [03:55:26] <rpifan> hunny...
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558 [03:56:41] <seanicus> is there a better way to restart your window manager/desktop enviroment than restarting the dm?
559 [03:56:50] <somiaj> well service was the old sysvinit command, but it is now compadable with both, and on debian will make calls to systemctl for a systemd system.
560 [03:57:03] <somiaj> loging out/back in should be sufficent
561 [03:57:09] <somiaj> you shodulnt' need to restart your display manager
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563 [03:57:17] <seanicus> It froze, so I had to go to the VT's.
564 [03:57:32] <bharmonic> isn't there a restart option in the menu .... there is in fluxbox ;)
565 [03:57:33] <seanicus> and restart it from the command line. So yeah I had to do that (unless I rebooted my computer)
566 [03:57:39] <somiaj> well I would track down why it isn't freezing.
567 [03:57:59] <seanicus> ...but it was freezing.
568 [03:58:07] <somiaj> but in the case it crashes or freezes, yes you may need to kill/restart xorg/waylend. And restarting the display manager will automate that.
569 [03:58:16] <somiaj> sorry I mean why it is freezing...typo
570 [03:58:55] <seanicus> and you restart xorg or wayland with service too?
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572 [03:59:15] <somiaj> those aren't services
573 [03:59:35] <somiaj> the display manager is a service, which runs xorg for you
574 [03:59:50] <bharmonic> somiaj: absolutely untrue
575 [03:59:51] <somiaj> for those who don't use a display manager, xorg is just a process launched via 'startx' or 'xinit'
576 [04:00:05] <seanicus> is a service the same as a daemon?
577 [04:00:13] <bharmonic> xorg is it's own programm the wm runs on xorg no the other way around
578 [04:00:28] <somiaj> seanicus: usually that is what is meant by service.
579 [04:00:32] <themill> bharmonic: dm ≠ wm
580 [04:01:04] <bharmonic> dm and wm run ON xorg no the way you are saying you don't even need a wm or de to use xorg/x
581 [04:01:07] <seanicus> I was just wondering if service gdm3 restart was "dangerous" or inelegant or whatever.
582 [04:01:26] <seanicus> since firefox had an issue with another instane already being run
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585 [04:01:45] <themill> seanicus: it's inelegant but it sounds like that was the point you had reached if X had frozen
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590 [04:03:11] <seanicus> alright, thanks for your help
591 [04:03:21] <somiaj> seanicus: Is this crashing on debian stable?
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594 [04:04:03] <somiaj> seanicus: well freezing.
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604 [04:09:48] <seanicus> somiaj: yes
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606 [04:10:28] <somiaj> seanicus: I would try to track down the freezing issue, That is rare, I would check dmesg for hardware issues.
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800 [06:36:41] <zumba_ad_> folks, I'm installing debian 9 on virtualbox on mac. I went to the console to fix something. How do I get back to the gui?
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806 [06:38:59] <somiaj> zumba_ad_: alt-f1 should do it
807 [06:39:12] <zumba_ad_> ok, I'll try
808 [06:39:14] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, Yeah I was thinking alt-f1 or control+alt+f1
809 [06:39:24] <zumba_ad_> i remember I tried it but it didn't work
810 [06:39:39] <zumba_ad_> maybe my mac has keyb bindings that I need to disable
811 [06:40:28] <somiaj> often times you have to tell virtual box to send the crtl-alt-f1 keybinding, instead of just hitting it
812 [06:40:36] <zumba_ad_> k
813 [06:40:48] <somiaj> but unsure about macosx, and this is assuming that your dm is runing on tt1 one (the standard default) and you hit ctrl-alt-f2 to get to the console
814 [06:40:52] <somiaj> how did you get to the console?
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816 [06:41:38] <zumba_ad_> cmd+f1, f2 and f3
817 [06:41:44] <zumba_ad_> each different console
818 [06:42:02] <zumba_ad_> then i tried f4 f5 f6 f7 .... f12, no luck with gui
819 [06:42:27] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, Try simply left alt + f5
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821 [06:43:01] <zumba_ad_> ok. I disabled accessiblity which is f5. mac is stealing it. Trying it now again
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823 [06:43:14] <somiaj> unsure how virtual box maps macosx keys to linux, but alt-f1 through f6 or 7 is what you want.
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825 [06:43:25] <zumba_ad_> perfect! It's accessibility that was the culprit
826 [06:43:31] <zumba_ad_> alt+f5 worked
827 [06:43:52] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, There you go. I hope you have a good time with the rest of your install.
828 [06:43:54] <zumba_ad_> when I press it earlier, mac would show up a window about accessiblity
829 [06:44:05] <zumba_ad_> :) I honestly like the gui
830 [06:44:21] <zumba_ad_> The font size and style is really nice!
831 [06:44:41] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, The debian installer does look nice compared to some other distro installers
832 [06:44:43] <zumba_ad_> the progress bar is also neat and cool :)
833 [06:44:49] <zumba_ad_> it does!
834 [06:45:34] <zumba_ad_> one sec, finishing up my install.
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836 [06:50:36] <somiaj> ahh so this was the graphical installer on tty5? That explains why I was confused.
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838 [06:51:04] <zumba_ad_> does it take a long time on this page? replaced-url
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840 [06:51:56] <somiaj> that can partly depend on your network connection as it downloads the full database of packages
841 [06:51:57] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, I believe so. Typically I leave my installs for periods of time, but I believe apt takes a bit
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844 [06:52:11] <zumba_ad_> got it
845 [06:52:45] <somiaj> speed is a combo of disk speed and cpu power, along with network speed (depending on the stage)
846 [06:52:49] <zumba_ad_> when I was downloading the iso earlier using a browser, it was very slow. It was about 99k/s
847 [06:53:18] <zumba_ad_> the progress bar is moving though
848 [06:53:33] <zumba_ad_> the bar is on letter C now :)
849 [06:53:46] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, You're good then. It's just going a bit slow.
850 [06:53:48] <zumba_ad_> I'll leave it for now
851 [06:54:13] <zumba_ad_> :) cool! Thanks folks!
852 [06:55:17] <MrSelfDestruct> zumba_ad_, No problem. That's what #debian is for!
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855 [06:56:36] <precise> Has anyone here ever seen orphaned DNS server entries get stuck in Network-Manager? I've got 4 listed....
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858 [06:56:43] <precise> I can't figure how to remove the latter 2.
859 [06:57:29] <zumba_ad_> :)
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890 [07:25:49] <zumba_ad_> my debian is up and running now. I'm shocked with the bootup time!
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893 [07:26:08] <zumba_ad_> question. why does apt-cache search not return anything?
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903 [07:29:56] <themill> Presumably because apt's cache is empty. Do you have mirrors in your sources.list? have you run apt update?
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908 [07:32:37] <zumba_ad_> oh gotcha. Doing it now, Thanks!
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910 [07:33:15] <themill> !stretch sources.list
911 [07:33:15] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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914 [07:35:07] <zumba_ad_> cool!
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933 [07:52:48] <Zimb> On latest debian stretch I see access to mc_forwarding trough sysctl has change, and I cannot change or control it with sysctl. What happened?
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958 [08:10:57] <zumba_ad_> folks, how do I enable gui?
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960 [08:11:52] <SwedeMike> zumba_ad_: replaced-url
961 [08:12:29] <zumba_ad_> thanks!
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963 [08:16:56] <somiaj> there are other de's and even wm's you can choose from
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975 [08:26:32] <Tegu> the installer should have presented some GUI options, though. like this replaced-url
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979 [08:29:44] <somiaj> they didn't have network access during the install, so it would skip that step
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983 [08:34:19] <Tegu> ah; I see
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999 [08:44:22] <graff> my debian install of debian 9 has all of these really horrible vim rules as a default
1000 [08:44:37] <graff> they make copy paste impossible and in general completely ruin vim
1001 [08:44:42] <somiaj> so then change them
1002 [08:44:45] <graff> how can I disable all of this terrible crap
1003 [08:44:57] <somiaj> write your own .vimrc, changing the settings as you want.
1004 [08:45:13] <somiaj> or check the system /etc/vimrc
1005 [08:45:17] <graff> is that the only thing that iscausing the problem?
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1007 [08:45:46] <somiaj> since you are detailed about the problem, it sounds like it.
1008 [08:45:54] <somiaj> most likely they are just congiuration options
1009 [08:46:21] <graff> this is horrible. how is this possibly so messed up
1010 [08:46:42] <graff> when someone goes to use vim they are going to be really confused and probably never go back
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1013 [08:47:17] <somiaj> others find the defaults resonable, and that sort of comments doesn't overall help find a solution.
1014 [08:47:41] <graff> like what is this poetterings personal .vimrc?
1015 [08:47:49] <graff> horrible
1016 [08:47:53] <graff> thanks
1017 [08:47:58] <TheManWithNoSock> I've not had any problems with vim and the defaults are good for me. What sort of issues have you had.
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1019 [08:48:27] <graff> everythis is messed up with debian 9. all sorts of bizzare built in rules butchering copy paste
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1021 [08:48:39] <graff> the cursor jumps around trying to make its own indentation logic
1022 [08:49:05] <graff> it tries desperatly to be useful and in doing so destroys the very few things that vim is useful for
1023 [08:50:24] <somiaj> vim is extreamlly configurable, if you don't like the defaults, write your own .vimrc
1024 [08:50:26] <TheManWithNoSock> Then I second somiaj that a vimrc edit is in order.
1025 [08:50:45] <graff> great i guess i will join the club of people withtheir own dotfiles repo
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1028 [08:50:59] <graff> thanks
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1225 [11:10:50] <jonwil> Where can I find a list of the targets from the rules file that dpkg-buildpackage will build and in what order?
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1228 [11:11:16] <jonwil> I know there are targets like build and clean and install but I dont know the full set and I dont know what order they get built in.
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1235 [11:13:36] <somiaj> jonwil: replaced-url
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1239 [11:16:52] <jonwil> Thanks, now I can see inside the dpkg-buildpackage source the order that those targets get built in.
1240 [11:17:27] <somiaj> this are defined by debian/rules, but debian helper does a lot, so see mostly overrides there.
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1243 [11:18:54] <jonwil> In this case I am trying to understand the commands that a particular debian/rules file is running and what order they run in (and based on the dpkg-buildpackage script from my setup, I can see that with the options I am passing it, dpkg-buildpackage will run clean then build then binary)
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1257 [11:23:08] <themill> jonwil: «dh binary --no-act» is helpful
1258 [11:23:26] <jonwil> so dpkg-buildpackage takes a --no-act option?
1259 [11:24:39] * themill didn't say that
1260 [11:24:52] <jonwil> oh ok
1261 [11:24:54] <jonwil> I see now
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1263 [11:26:21] <Daisae> In BASh, does a way exist to reference all command line parameters after a certain position? -- such as, to represent from the second parameter onwards , "$2.."
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1265 [11:26:35] <somiaj> $@ I belive
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1267 [11:26:52] <somiaj> oh onwards, one second
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1272 [11:27:13] <flavius> Hi. How to set/extend PATH for all users, system-wide, in debian 8?
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1275 [11:28:25] <apollo13> /etc/environment maybe?
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1278 [11:28:52] <somiaj> flavius: might depend on how the users log in, but there is /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc
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1280 [11:30:33] <Daisae> There exists a PAM module to set up the environment, but I do not find it currently.
1281 [11:31:48] <somiaj> Daisae: ARGS=$@; echo ${ARGS[@]:2} -- is what I found, unsure if there is another way without defining the ARGS array frist
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1283 [11:32:20] <Daisae> somiaj: thanks for investigating. i will try it.
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1287 [11:33:06] <somiaj> Daisae: ahh just echo ${@:2} works
1288 [11:33:24] <somiaj> Daisae: replaced-url
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1304 [11:41:46] <none_> hello
1305 [11:42:36] <none_> is there a guideline to build a tiny debian iso ?
1306 [11:42:52] <somiaj> none_: what is your overall goal? Is the netinstaller not sufficent?
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1308 [11:43:37] <none_> I don't have internet access
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1312 [11:43:57] <none_> and for the challenge :D
1313 [11:44:00] <none_> to learn
1314 [11:44:02] <somiaj> then why do you want to build a tiny debian iso, what about the cd image or the dvd image
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1317 [11:44:42] <somiaj> none_: replaced-url
1318 [11:44:54] <none_> ok thank I take a look
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1400 [12:29:10] <t420blazeit> is this the debian channel?
1401 [12:29:24] <antto> true
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1403 [12:29:29] <t420blazeit> it evidently is
1404 [12:29:37] <antto> but there are other ones too
1405 [12:29:47] <t420blazeit> >just got the wifi working today
1406 [12:29:51] <t420blazeit> feels good
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1408 [12:29:57] <antto> wifi :~(
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1410 [12:30:05] <Sveta> congrats
1411 [12:30:10] <antto> brain cancer
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1413 [12:31:16] <GenteelBen> t420blazeit: next stop, Bluetooth.
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1415 [12:31:27] <t420blazeit> antto: why would i limit my self to one 1 ethernet cable length from my router?
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1417 [12:32:43] <bites> maybe turn your router one power level down from ionizing radiation.
1418 [12:32:44] <antto> why would you run away from your router?
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1422 [12:34:09] <t420blazeit> antto so i can shutter my self in my room. of course
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1424 [12:35:26] <t420blazeit> also wifi is no where near ionizing radiation, it could give you rf burns if was orders of maginitude stronger
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1436 [12:42:14] <antto> when everybody turns on their wifi, don't things escalate quickly?
1437 [12:42:41] <antto> how many ethernet cables do you have to run together to cause any damage? tens? hundreds?
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1439 [12:43:07] <antto> hm, he ran away
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1446 [12:48:10] <dokma> I'm mining on Debian with NVIDIA 1070s. Does anyone know how to identify which card is which in the output of the EWBF miner?
1447 [12:48:27] <dokma> I thought about trying to shut individual cards down but can't find anywhere how to do it.
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1449 [12:48:46] <dokma> The only thing that comes to mind is sudo nvidia-smi -i 0 -pl 0
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1451 [12:48:59] <dokma> Which would set the wattage down to 0 but I don't know if this is safe...
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1454 [12:50:20] <antto> i thought a shovel is a better instrument for that task
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1456 [12:50:38] <antto> dokma isn't there a more suitable channel for that kind of question?
1457 [12:51:00] <dokma> I'm thinking about that too
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1461 [12:54:43] <user__> after installing debian (no errors) then boot to new system i see the list of messages (no errors as well) i see blinking "cursor" line ? on top left corner forever ! how to fix that ? i am on live usb now same os thx in advance
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1464 [12:58:14] <user__> any help please ?
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1466 [12:59:24] <antto> user__ did you install a dekstop environment?
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1469 [13:00:59] <user__> i had no request for it during install .
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1472 [13:03:34] <antto> user__ so, when you boot, you end up in text mode?
1473 [13:03:37] <antto> can you log in?
1474 [13:04:32] <user__> antto, no not really i see all the messages (with green ok) loading for a while then suddenly the blinking line on top
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1476 [13:05:04] <user__> but i can not type there anything
1477 [13:05:05] <antto> where did you install it from? name of the .iso?
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1480 [13:05:17] <user__> parrot
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1483 [13:05:41] <antto> o_O hm?
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1486 [13:06:21] <tijeretas__> Parrot doesn't sound like Debian
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1488 [13:07:03] <tijeretas__> also, it's based on Debian Testing, so expect bugs like that to happen
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1490 [13:07:16] <tijeretas__> but more improtantly, seek help from Parrot directly, not here.
1491 [13:07:21] <antto> oh, the distribution is called "parrot"
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1493 [13:07:35] <antto> he said "debian"
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1495 [13:07:39] <antto> user__ u liar
1496 [13:08:18] <tijeretas__> antto: maybe not a liar, just someone who mistakes Debian-based for Debian
1497 [13:08:20] <user__> ? parrot isn't debian ? genius ?
1498 [13:08:29] <tijeretas__> user__: replaced-url
1499 [13:08:33] <tijeretas__> good luck
1500 [13:08:55] <antto> user__ i was going to suggest you install debian from the "netinst" iso
1501 [13:09:19] <antto> because you were not honest about the name of the distribution
1502 [13:10:59] <user__> well firs u called me liar now i wasnt honest ? wtf ? you asked me "genius" so i did answer . wanna help ? -help otherwise keep your abusive comments to your family .
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1506 [13:12:19] <antto> user__ this channel doesn't support distributions "based on debian" so your question doesn't belong here
1507 [13:12:21] <tijeretas__> user__: we can't help, as this is a channel for debian, not parrot. bye bye!
1508 [13:12:56] <antto> this channel doesn't even like to discuss debian-testing even (iirc)
1509 [13:13:29] <user__> ok bye bye dont choke while sucking bbe
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1511 [13:13:41] <antto> such much hurt feelings
1512 [13:13:59] <tijeretas__> the butt hurt is strong with this one
1513 [13:14:11] <bites> well, don't call people liars.
1514 [13:14:26] <antto> i was joking, hence the "u" instead of "you"
1515 [13:14:44] <bites> hilarious.
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1517 [13:14:52] <antto> i know! ;P~
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1522 [13:15:45] <antto> how do you call someone who says A while he means B?
1523 [13:16:32] <bites> you correct them and be done with it.
1524 [13:16:35] <tijeretas__> antto: I think he was just a n00b who didn't know any differently.
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1526 [13:17:00] <tijeretas__> lying implies intent AFAIK
1527 [13:17:00] <antto> k
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1529 [13:17:17] <Sveta> antto: confused
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1531 [13:17:47] <antto> <user__> ? parrot isn't debian ? genius ?
1532 [13:17:52] <antto> ^ was he confused?
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1536 [13:18:19] <tijeretas__> he wasn't confused, I think he insisted on the idea that Debian-based = Debian
1537 [13:18:34] <antto> so do i
1538 [13:18:42] <Guest37068> Hello mates!
1539 [13:18:59] <antto> but okay, i'll try to be moar careful next time
1540 [13:19:08] <tijeretas__> never mind though. from my experience from forums, these people would have discussed here ad nauseam and insisted that they're right and that we're in the wrong for refusing to help them
1541 [13:19:19] <Guest37068> I have some questions if anyone would help me to figureout
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1543 [13:19:34] <Sveta> antto: "confused and resentment to the liar accusation" :P
1544 [13:19:43] <Sveta> Guest37068: hi :)
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1546 [13:20:26] <Guest37068> I fount smb vulnerabilities but, when i'm trying to exploit it wont able to get exploited mb17_010
1547 [13:20:34] <Guest37068> can anyone tell me why?
1548 [13:21:01] <bites> got a CVE for that?
1549 [13:21:17] <Guest37068> through auxiliary scan
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1557 [13:29:05] <ikanobori> ms17-010 is eternalblue
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1560 [13:29:59] <lyakh> I've had this problem for years and I always hoped it'd get fixed eventually. In KDE on my jessie machine ALT-TAB sporadically jumps to a random window, often making it very hard to switch over to the window I need. I've deleted my .kde and started from scratch - but that didn't help...
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1562 [13:30:05] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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1564 [13:30:38] <ychaouche> I'd like to know how is pigeonhole packaged for debian (under what name) ? is it dovecot-managesieved ?
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1574 [13:35:29] <jelly> ychaouche: yes
1575 [13:35:42] <jelly> ,i dovecot-managesieve
1576 [13:35:43] <judd> No package named 'dovecot-managesieve' was found in stretch/amd64.
1577 [13:35:46] <jelly> ,i dovecot-managesieved
1578 [13:35:47] <judd> Package dovecot-managesieved (mail, optional) in stretch/amd64: secure POP3/IMAP server - ManageSieve server. Version: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2; Size: 691.4k; Installed: 811k; Homepage: replaced-url
1579 [13:36:01] <jelly> hmph.
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1582 [13:36:42] <ychaouche> I'm always cluless about version numbers, I didn't manage to figure them out :)
1583 [13:37:08] <ychaouche> some documentation says that some config works for pigeonhole version 0.30 and above
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1586 [13:37:33] <ychaouche> but the version number in the packages seems to be matching those of dovecot, not the pigeonhole subproject
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1589 [13:38:11] <jelly> yes, pigeonhole is a patch on top of dovecot, so that thing is actually built from dovecot source.
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1593 [13:39:06] <jelly> you have to look at package changelog to see which pigeonhold stuff got built with
1594 [13:39:22] <jelly> pigeonhole*
1595 [13:40:29] <ychaouche> changelog is avaiable in the source package, not binary, yes ?
1596 [13:40:48] <jelly> it's available in both
1597 [13:41:00] <jelly> !changelog.Debian
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1599 [13:41:02] <ychaouche> ah ok, will google that thanks
1600 [13:41:05] <jelly> !changelog
1601 [13:41:05] <dpkg> The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb, "apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also "aptitude changelog foo" or go to replaced-url
1602 [13:41:14] <ychaouche> oh yes I forgot about that
1603 [13:41:15] <ychaouche> thanks
1604 [13:41:38] <jelly> eg. in stretch...
1605 [13:41:41] <jelly> * [3ecfd3c] Update pigeonhole to 0.4.16
1606 [13:43:06] <ychaouche> indeed
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1642 [14:21:19] <Starscream> I would like to reconfigure logging so, that it would start new log file, when the log file is larger than 200 MB. Is maxsize 200M in logrorotate.conf enough? How often it will check that the limit is reached? The first log backup file (with 1) is always uncompressed. Can I make it to be compressed like 2, 3, 4? syslog has archives till number 7, even though rotate is 4. Why?
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1648 [14:24:45] <RoyK> Starscream: te reason why .1 isn't compressed, is you're using delaycompress - a setting in the conf
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1655 [14:28:23] <Starscream> <RoyK> there is no such option in /etc/logrotate.conf, but compress is commented too. Can it be the reason?
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1658 [14:29:59] <Starscream> hmm
1659 [14:30:04] <RoyK> Starscream: look through the files in /etc/logrotate.d/
1660 [14:30:29] <Starscream> yes, already found that
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1662 [14:31:54] <Starscream> <RoyK> will it check size limit 1 time per day, by default?
1663 [14:32:30] <RoyK> Starscream: it's run by cron, so look through the dirs under /etc/cron*
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1667 [14:34:05] <Starscream> Should I look for logrotate script in /etc/cron.*?
1668 [14:34:46] <RoyK> grep -ri logrotate /etc/cron*
1669 [14:35:01] <jolt> Starscream: the config for logrotate is in /etc/logrotate.conf or /etc/logrotate.d for all services
1670 [14:35:11] <Starscream> And place it where I want (cron.daily cron.weekly ...)
1671 [14:35:18] <jolt> Under /etc/cron* is the files that triggers cron to run
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1674 [14:35:27] <jolt> Under /etc/cron* is the files that triggers logrotate to run
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1682 [14:40:40] <AliceKelly> woot good morning
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1689 [14:45:30] <Starscream> <RoyK> <jolt> thanks
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1691 [14:48:41] <SickzZ> Its recomment to run a mysql outside from the apache host? Also i have a Proxmox server and thinking about 2virtual machines (1 apache2 server with php and 1 server with mysql). The mysql Database should use from the apache2 server. But now i have the quetion, what is better? Database server on the local Webserver or on a different host?
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1707 [14:55:22] <AliceKelly> no way to get over 54mb/s on a g nic right ?
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1709 [14:56:00] <mdebian> I'm having problems with the hwmon files, which are in the path /sys/class/hwmon/. In practice I set conky 1.10 which shows me the sensors, but it happens that for example the nouveau module is mounted on hwmon3 while sometimes I find it mounted on hwmon4
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1734 [15:12:45] <Lyberta> hi, I've changed the external monitor to primary monitor and now my laptop doesn't boot, I'm not sure if it is this change that caused it but it looks like it freezes at trying to start lightDM, help?
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1745 [15:20:41] <kamui_> hi
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1747 [15:22:00] <t420blazeit> hello
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1750 [15:24:14] <t420blazeit> >macbook
1751 [15:24:38] <kamui_> t420blazeit, hi
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1761 [15:28:19] <t420blazeit> hi kamui
1762 [15:29:24] <namll> is there a separate attribute for these highlighted menu/title fields in these programs? replaced-url
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1764 [15:29:58] <namll> I am trying to change it from the color it is now, so the white text is easier to see, but my foreground color becomes the background color for those areas
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1771 [15:32:35] <kamui_> t420blazeit, i'm student of informatic of Bologna (in Italy), and i think of see you write in english for learn more the english language
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1773 [15:33:06] <kamui_> i love debian lxde
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1775 [15:34:04] <t420blazeit> kamui_: right now i doubt i write very well because i have not slept enough, but i usaully speak it well, since i learned really young
1776 [15:34:53] <kamui_> for any help i will try to find solution and talk with you
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1778 [15:35:28] <kamui_> *sorry help --> problem
1779 [15:35:29] <t420blazeit> i don't have any problems, im just lurking hoping to learn something
1780 [15:35:37] <kamui_> oky
1781 [15:35:39] <kamui_> :D
1782 [15:36:15] <t420blazeit> thanks for asking, though.
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1784 [15:37:09] <kamui_> if i write bad, I hope users will report me the error
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1786 [15:38:25] <t420blazeit> you don't write bad, i can tell it isn't you first language, but that what practice is for
1787 [15:40:06] <kamui_> maybe this it'isnt inappropriate channel for learn
1788 [15:40:13] <kamui_> *it isn't
1789 [15:40:53] <kamui_> t420blazeit, there is a channel appropriate in freenode?
1790 [15:41:11] <kamui_> *appropriate channel
1791 [15:41:38] <t420blazeit> im not sure, im new to freenode.
1792 [15:41:43] <kamui_> ok
1793 [15:41:52] <petn-randall> !chat
1794 [15:41:52] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
1795 [15:41:55] <kamui_> how old are you?
1796 [15:42:11] <kamui_> petn-randall, ok sorry
1797 [15:42:16] <kamui_> sorry
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1805 [15:44:38] <kamui_> petn-randall, do you know other script languages? other sh?
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1807 [15:45:55] <kamui_> i know essential bash on linux shell
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1811 [15:46:54] <petn-randall> kamui_: Perl, Python, Java, Ruby, Lisp etc. Assuming you interpreted programming languages.
1812 [15:47:04] <kamui_> mm i use
1813 [15:47:29] <kamui_> python, java, javafx, javascript, php, mysql, qtcreator, c, c++
1814 [15:48:00] <kamui_> but script languages like bash for the principal system
1815 [15:48:17] <kamui_> i know only sh
1816 [15:48:46] <petn-randall> kamui_: Not sure what you mean with that. Nearly every Linux OS comes with Perl and python preinstalled.
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1818 [15:48:57] <kamui_> mmm yes
1819 [15:49:02] <kamui_> you ave right
1820 [15:49:06] <kamui_> *have
1821 [15:49:35] <kamui_> please wait moment, that i search
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1823 [15:50:24] <kamui_> for exemple petn-randall i means sync command on linux shell
1824 [15:50:35] <kamui_> *on --> for
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1832 [15:51:04] <petn-randall> kamui_: I'm not sure what you're asking for. Is it a support request? If not, it might be better to continue this discussion on #debian-offtopic.
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1834 [15:51:24] <kamui_> this command 'sync' belong sh no?
1835 [15:51:26] <kamui_> ok sorry
1836 [15:51:56] <kamui_> #!/bin/bash
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1840 [15:53:54] <BCMM> kamui_: the `sync` command is not part of the shell, if that's what you're asking
1841 [15:54:11] <kamui_> ok sorry
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1843 [15:54:15] <BCMM> kamui_: in bash, you can use the `type` command to find out how a given command is implemented
1844 [15:54:26] <kamui_> ok
1845 [15:54:37] <BCMM> try `type sync` and `type echo` to see the difference between an external binary and a shell built-in
1846 [15:54:37] <camil_toughbook> Hello
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1848 [15:54:54] <kamui_> i can use python script linked with ln in /usr/bin
1849 [15:54:59] <kamui_> you have right
1850 [15:55:45] <kamui_> BCMM, there are extension for shell built-in?
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1853 [15:56:18] <BCMM> kamui_: what do you mean by "extensions"? the ability to add additional builtins without recompiling bash?
1854 [15:56:48] <BCMM> kamui_: no, you can not add builtins, but you can add aliases which are functionally very similar
1855 [15:57:30] <kamui_> mmm ok linux are secure, approved ;D
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1857 [15:58:36] <kamui_> what are called this alieses?
1858 [15:59:05] <kamui_> there are software that i can install with apt-get
1859 [15:59:13] <kamui_> maybe
1860 [15:59:14] <camil_toughbook> test123
1861 [15:59:24] <petn-randall> camil_toughbook: Test failed.
1862 [15:59:27] <BCMM> camil_toughbook: yes, we can read what you're saying
1863 [15:59:28] <kamui_> camil_toughbook, test work
1864 [15:59:33] <kamui_> petn-randall, :)
1865 [15:59:59] <BCMM> camil_toughbook: if you have a question, just ask it. you don't need to wait for somebody to acknowledge your "hello"; on freenode it isn't rude to just join a channel and ask a question.
1866 [16:00:39] <BCMM> kamui_: software you install with apt-get will typically add a binary to a directory like /bin/ that is in the $PATH
1867 [16:00:51] <kamui_> oky
1868 [16:01:02] <kamui_> what are called this alieses?
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1870 [16:01:24] <BCMM> kamui_: i'm not sure i understand that question...
1871 [16:01:30] <kamui_> ok
1872 [16:01:34] <petn-randall> kamui_: bash aliases are just called "aliases". 'man bash' for details.
1873 [16:01:46] <kamui_> petn-randall,
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1875 [16:02:31] <kamui_> mmm i had listen my friend to university speeak about zh
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1878 [16:02:56] <kamui_> *i had listened
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1887 [16:04:01] <kamui_> and i think he speak about a extension for linux shell
1888 [16:04:21] <petn-randall> kamui_: Not sure what you mean with that. Maybe just ask your friend?
1889 [16:04:34] <kamui_> i search more, sorry for confusion
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1892 [16:04:46] <kamui_> petn-randall, yes
1893 [16:04:57] <kamui_> i can talk with he
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1898 [16:06:31] <kamui_> replaced-url
1899 [16:06:45] <kamui_> cit. esistono diversi tipi di shell ( bash, sh, zh, etc..)
1900 [16:07:23] <kamui_> there are different types of shells (bash, sh, zh, etc ..)
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1903 [16:08:12] <kamui_> bash can also be considered an implementation of sh
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1905 [16:10:24] <BCMM> kamui_: i think he might mean "zsh"
1906 [16:10:30] <kamui_> yes
1907 [16:10:40] <kamui_> BCMM, i'm stupid
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1909 [16:11:34] <kamui_> i listened only zh and instead is zsh
1910 [16:12:07] <kamui_> confusion resolved
1911 [16:12:24] <kamui_> thx
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1974 [16:56:00] <pikudoz> oop
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1983 [17:00:38] <AliceKelly> im in xcfe. every time i add the clock to the pannel i and open config to set time zone i closes on the pannel
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1986 [17:01:07] <AliceKelly> cant figure out how to make it persistent
1987 [17:01:27] <bharmonic> run ntp
1988 [17:01:38] <lone-wolf> How to do extend taskbar in dual monitor on lxde?
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1990 [17:03:27] <bharmonic> AliceKelly: cp the timezone to /etc/localtime don't make a link
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1993 [17:04:32] <Posterdati> hi
1994 [17:04:34] <Posterdati> please I need help on 9.4 amd64: kde session in restore previous session took a lot of time to come up at login time. Thanks
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1997 [17:06:08] <bharmonic> let it spend the time ... next time shut it down properly
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2000 [17:06:37] <shtrb|work> Or you can drop the preivous session each time
2001 [17:06:50] <pikudoz> yo
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2004 [17:08:10] <Posterdati> bharmonic: what?
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2014 [17:12:26] <AliceKelly> ok got ntp in
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2016 [17:14:11] <AliceKelly> same hing. when i close the config gui. it closes the clock on the bar
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2019 [17:15:10] <bharmonic> AliceKelly: you want the clock on the toolbar or to have the time correctly set?
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2021 [17:15:27] <AliceKelly> clock on he toolbar
2022 [17:16:03] <AliceKelly> every time i set the conf it pops in. when its closed it goes away
2023 [17:16:06] <han-solo> Why is python3.6 not available on main repos, yet ? for stretch
2024 [17:16:08] <bharmonic> okay - right click on the toolbar and see if there is a setting to show the clock
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2026 [17:16:50] <AliceKelly> thats what i been doing
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2028 [17:17:24] <bites> han-solo: because stretch was released with python 3.5 and that will not change. if you need a different python version install it in a virtualenv.
2029 [17:17:39] <AliceKelly> it just wont save
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2033 [17:18:47] <han-solo> bites: Okay
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2037 [17:20:42] <bharmonic> AliceKelly: does it show when you end the wm session and restart it? maybe/
2038 [17:20:50] <AliceKelly> no
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2041 [17:21:29] <bharmonic> did you copy the timezone to the /etc/localtime?
2042 [17:21:39] <AliceKelly> im using the pannel options its got the right time etc, when i close the clock options it goes away
2043 [17:21:55] <AliceKelly> time zone is fine
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2045 [17:22:20] <bharmonic> AliceKelly: might be a permissions problem?
2046 [17:22:41] <AliceKelly> ya might do i as root
2047 [17:22:43] <AliceKelly> brb
2048 [17:22:44] <bharmonic> is there room on the toolbar for it? or maybe off the screet
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2105 [17:57:55] <jelly> ,v hexchat
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2126 [18:07:00] <Mr_Queue> Any clue why I have a user with this running at 100% CPU? /lib/systemd/systemd --user
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2128 [18:07:33] <Mr_Queue> I kill it, it comes back. I don't see anything complaining in the logs.
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2130 [18:07:54] <shtrb|work> You are surprised of having systemd` ? that is what being called during logins for example
2131 [18:08:25] <shtrb|work> And per service per user
2132 [18:08:48] <nekOwOseam> Is systemd even as well supported on Funtoo as on Gentoo?
2133 [18:09:54] <Mr_Queue> shtrb|work: No, a single user has that pinned to 100% CPU forever until I kill it.
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2135 [18:10:17] <nekOwOseam> replaced-url
2136 [18:10:21] <nekOwOseam> Oh wow
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2138 [18:10:23] <Mr_Queue> I can't seem to see why.
2139 [18:10:24] <nekOwOseam> Wrong IRC
2140 [18:10:33] <nekOwOseam> Sorry. Just woke up
2141 [18:10:37] <somiaj> nekOwOseam: systemd is quite well supported.
2142 [18:10:49] <nekOwOseam> Sorry I thought I was in #funtoo
2143 [18:10:55] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: it is strange that it is taking up that much cpu, I wonder what is going on, but systemd will just restart it if you kill it.
2144 [18:11:34] <shtrb|work> Mr_Queue, Is that user a real one or for service user ?
2145 [18:11:35] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: I would maybe start looking at some logs, see what you can figure out
2146 [18:11:54] <Mr_Queue> shtrb|work: It's a real user.
2147 [18:12:03] <nekOwOseam> Relevant to what I was talking about, I've heard OpenRC works quite well in Debian
2148 [18:12:05] <Mr_Queue> somiaj: I've been in the logs.. Nothing.
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2152 [18:13:27] <shtrb|work> Mr_Queue, did this user finish login process ?
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2154 [18:13:44] <shtrb|work> (started a session into a DE) ?
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2156 [18:13:56] <Mr_Queue> They have a screen session running.
2157 [18:14:02] <Mr_Queue> No DE's here.
2158 [18:14:38] <shtrb|work> Is there something like a service file where that screen start ?
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2162 [18:14:59] <bharmonic> nekOwOseam: replace systemd with sysv - easy on debian stretch - it is a nightmare best to get rid of (that is/was the reason for devuan)
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2164 [18:15:51] <somiaj> I wonder if somethign like pkill or killall could be used if you wanted to kill all the users processes
2165 [18:16:05] <nekOwOseam> I personally don't need much fiddling around with init systems. If a distro comes with systemd I'm fine, I just am aware that there's features in systemd that I'd never use taking up resources
2166 [18:16:13] <shtrb|work> Mr_Queue, and check if you can start screen with an attached and not deatched state
2167 [18:16:20] <Mr_Queue> I have no problem scripting out and clipping this but I don't want to fix this like that.
2168 [18:16:34] <somiaj> bharmonic: I like to clarify that only the init system is replaced, one still needs parts of systemd (systemd-shim) installed.
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2170 [18:16:36] <shtrb|work> somaij , pkill -9 -u ?
2171 [18:17:06] <somiaj> shtrb|work: I'd have to double check the manpage, but you should be able to kill all process owned by a user that way.
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2176 [18:17:51] <shtrb|work> Yes, but google have pointed that if you start session in deatched mode systemd` get 100% in service files
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2178 [18:18:37] <somiaj> yea, that is a more reasonable appraoch, try to figure out what is causing the problem. I was just giving something that could possibly get some cpu back for the short term
2179 [18:18:37] <shtrb|work> somiaj, Mr_Queue via that replaced-url
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2181 [18:19:00] <AliceKelly> still cant make the clock stay in pannel
2182 [18:19:11] <shtrb|work> that is for service, but that is close enough to his issue
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2184 [18:19:29] <AliceKelly> hi somia
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2191 [18:20:53] <Mr_Queue> shtrb|work: That's pretty much it. Must be a bug.
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2194 [18:23:12] <shtrb|work> Mr_Queue, it's systemd` it must be intentional
2195 [18:23:13] <bharmonic> AliceKelly: are you loving your current wm? fluxbox clock is really nice ;)
2196 [18:23:20] <shtrb|work> there are no bugs in systemd`
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2198 [18:23:39] <AliceKelly> im loving xcfe
2199 [18:23:40] <bharmonic> shtrb|work: you know how to use google? ;)
2200 [18:24:09] <shtrb|work> bharmonic, not really, and you ?
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2203 [18:24:19] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: it could also be an issue with the service (or a combination), maybe track down the user service causing this issue?
2204 [18:24:32] <shtrb|work> somiaj, I told that few minutes ago
2205 [18:24:43] <bharmonic> AliceKelly: there are some nice external apps that load stuff into toolbars .. freepascal has a nice one ... or wine clock.ext
2206 [18:25:19] <nekOwOseam> AliceKelly: XFCE is pretty nice
2207 [18:25:27] <bharmonic> shtrb|work: when i google systemd and bugs - i get ..
2208 [18:25:52] <somiaj> shtrb|work: I was just repeating it hoping it might help.
2209 [18:25:56] <bharmonic> nekOwOseam: you got a clock on your xfce toolbar? help AliceKelly she can't keep hers there
2210 [18:26:02] <AliceKelly> my only complaint is the darn clock wont stay in the task bar
2211 [18:26:08] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: systemctl status may help too, gives a tree of the various things run by the user slice.
2212 [18:26:17] <shtrb|work> bharmonic, There are no bugs in systemd` there are just users who didn't read the manual, or discover new features
2213 [18:26:24] <nekOwOseam> bharmonic: Oh I don't use Xfce. I use either Openbox or LXQt
2214 [18:26:41] <nekOwOseam> You should be able to add it to the panel by right clicking it
2215 [18:26:48] <nekOwOseam> Should give you the option do add stuff
2216 [18:26:50] <bharmonic> not nice enough to use eh?
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2218 [18:27:26] <somiaj> for many wm users, they have a de they recommend to others. I don't use xfce, but if I were to recommend one to someone it woudl be xfce or lxde
2219 [18:27:50] <AliceKelly> nekOwOseam, yes when i close the config for it, it disapears
2220 [18:27:51] <somiaj> maybe I should try cinnomon, it seems to be popular (or was) for a while
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2226 [18:28:17] <nekOwOseam> AliceKelly: The clock just disappears? Perhaps there's a missing dependency...
2227 [18:28:33] <nekOwOseam> I think the package is called xfce4-applets or something
2228 [18:28:45] <AliceKelly> but its there in another user account and in root
2229 [18:28:52] <Mr_Queue> somiaj: It has to be a bug. I just clipped all processes by the user except the systemd one and it's still running.
2230 [18:28:59] <nekOwOseam> hmm
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2234 [18:29:31] <t3st3r> bharmonic> In systemd there is at least ppl who handle bugs. Sysv init scripts worked like shit. Nobody cared.
2235 [18:29:49] <AliceKelly> nekOwOseam, exactly. not important just makes me go bonkers
2236 [18:30:07] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: is this in debian stretch?
2237 [18:30:09] <shtrb|work> bharmonic, we can move our love for systemd` to #debian-offtopic
2238 [18:30:55] <t3st3r> So pretending init replacement is panacea is bullshit. To say the least.
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2240 [18:31:37] <somiaj> t3st3r: and each was matained by the resepctive software or distro, and were a pain. I think systemd is a good init system. I don't like all of the DE integration, but there I just wish it was more modular.
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2243 [18:31:44] <nekOwOseam> AliceKelly: I think your best bet is just reinstalling the applets (if xfce has a dedicated package for them)
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2246 [18:32:16] <nekOwOseam> xfce4-datetime-plugin
2247 [18:32:17] <AliceKelly> i bet irs something like a conf file
2248 [18:32:19] <somiaj> AliceKelly: here is one nice test for DE problems, make a new user, make sure he user is in similar groups, and see if you have the same issue with a default configuration.
2249 [18:32:26] <nekOwOseam> That's the name
2250 [18:32:31] <t3st3r> just for the reference I've had fancy package installation (!!!) failure in debian. Quite recent one. The reason? Package post install has been attempting to call sysv scripts to start package.
2251 [18:32:32] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, systemd` is a divine creation, it sometimes work in mysterious ways when non believers can not see the beauty of it.
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2253 [18:32:58] <AliceKelly> somiaj, did that , only in his account lol
2254 [18:32:58] <somiaj> t3st3r: really? Are you sure it wasn't calling invoke-rc.d which should be calling systemd if systemd is used.
2255 [18:33:04] <t3st3r> And most funny thing: it failed. Even more funny thing: sysv lacks diagnostic facilities to get idea WTF fails. Cool.
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2257 [18:33:19] <somiaj> AliceKelly: so this issue is with a paticular account, maybe just backup remove the configurations and start over?
2258 [18:33:38] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, have you failed a bug against that package ?
2259 [18:33:41] <t3st3r> So package install fails and the only thing I could easily learn is that service failed to start. That's how sysv usually performs...
2260 [18:33:54] <AliceKelly> somiaj, good idea
2261 [18:34:00] <petn-randall> t3st3r: And which package is that? Because installation failure is an RC bug.
2262 [18:34:00] <somiaj> t3st3r: debian scripts shoudl be calling invoke-rc.d, they shouldn't be calling sysv scripts or systemd directly.
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2265 [18:34:33] <t3st3r> shtrb|work> TBH real bug about that package is the fact it still dares to use sysv scripts crap which dares to work like THAT.
2266 [18:34:56] <petn-randall> t3st3r: ... which package?
2267 [18:35:06] <shtrb|work> untill you report it or patch it can not be fixed
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2269 [18:36:49] <somiaj> t3st3r: and debian packages should support both, via the invoke-rc.d wrapper for this.
2270 [18:37:05] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, name ?
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2273 [18:38:19] <t3st3r> petn-randall> it has been htpdate in testing, some time ago. But failure has been more complex than package bug. It attempted to do something with some external shell file.
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2275 [18:38:40] <shtrb|work> ,v htpdate
2276 [18:38:41] <judd> Package: htpdate on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.1.0-2; stretch: 1.1.3-2; buster: 1.2.0-1; sid: 1.2.0-1
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2278 [18:38:56] <t3st3r> And it seems things failed there in that file. For reason unknown. I'm not very great at debugging huge shell includes.
2279 [18:39:40] <somiaj> well not seeing any bugs, if you can repduce this in a clean buster or sid system, please report it. That does like an RC bug.
2280 [18:39:44] <shtrb|work> no bug in buster (was able to install it now)
2281 [18:40:13] <t3st3r> It has been testing so MAYBE it has been something wrong in system or in package. But hell, thanks to sysv it damn hard to debug an issue.
2282 [18:40:15] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, I was not able to reproduce your bug in testing
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2285 [18:41:01] <somiaj> looking at the package, I don't see any postinst/rm scripts that aren't generated by dh, but I do see an ifup hook, maybe it was something with the ifup hook that failed on your system.
2286 [18:41:02] <t3st3r> shtrb|work> maybe it no longer a case or you have different system configuration. Or different version of surrounding packages.
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2288 [18:41:45] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, It was for a minimal install with plasma (but yes) - last updated laast night
2289 [18:41:50] <somiaj> shtrb|work: maybe check to see if any services are being ran in the scripts, /var/lib/dpkg/info/htpdate.{preinst,postinst} -- but the one sheel script I'm seeing is an ifup hook
2290 [18:42:02] <t3st3r> or maybe different set of packages... that's where it getting troublesome: debugging this crap isn't exactly easy and straightforward.
2291 [18:42:09] <nekOwOseam> You can make Xfwm look pretty good AliceKelly
2292 [18:42:11] <nekOwOseam> replaced-url
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2294 [18:42:36] <AliceKelly> wahoo i got it. had to not use right click on pannel
2295 [18:42:39] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, can you install nettools ?
2296 [18:42:52] <nekOwOseam> AliceKelly: Oh good
2297 [18:42:55] <t3st3r> so I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to write in bug except the fact installation script fails in my system. That would be very lame bug description, right?
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2300 [18:43:49] <somiaj> t3st3r: use reportbug, and describe the situation, it should give info to hopefully see if someone else replaced it
2301 [18:44:12] <somiaj> t3st3r: I am seeing an init.d script in there, but on debian this should be being laucnhed via systemd compadability (not all packages ahve moved to systemd unit files)
2302 [18:44:46] <t3st3r> somiaj> from purely pragmatic standpoint I've used --force to get over with installing package and wrote systemd unit...
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2304 [18:44:53] <AliceKelly> ok question , why do the fonts look broken ?
2305 [18:45:04] <shtrb|work> analising ?
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2308 [18:45:45] <t3st3r> writting systemd unit myself has been faster than doing deep dive in debugging, sorry.
2309 [18:45:50] <AliceKelly> yikes tha alan alising is tough
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2311 [18:45:57] <AliceKelly> anal*
2312 [18:46:04] <AliceKelly> :)
2313 [18:46:05] <shtrb|work> AliceKelly *anti-aliasing / rasterization settings
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2320 [18:47:17] <shtrb|work> AliceKelly, check in #SOMEDE for the exact settings you need
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2324 [18:48:26] <somiaj> t3st3r: anyways the package seems to be using invoke-rc.d which though it provides an init.d script, will use the systemd compadability layer. It would be nice if you experience such an issue and can reproduce it to report a bug. But the package appears to at least follow debian policy in its use of init scripts.
2325 [18:50:20] <Mr_Queue> somiaj: Yes stretch. I think it's kernel related because the server was up for around 280 days before a power event and it was fine. I did have the latest kernel installed ready to go when the reboot happened.
2326 [18:50:53] <t3st3r> <shtrb|work> t3st3r, can you install nettools ? <- erm, I do not access troublesome system atm... few other systems running debian testing tell me there is no such package.
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2328 [18:51:20] <shtrb|work> Wait, I think I know what he had experienced, there was less known feature that failed to convert init files to service files (systemd-sysv-generator).
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2330 [18:51:38] <zimb> good thing is that when you say anti-analising for anti-aliasing ... people don't think it is homofobia on #debian
2331 [18:51:39] <AliceKelly> how much wood would a wood chuck , chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood ?
2332 [18:52:05] <zimb> ^^
2333 [18:52:12] <shtrb|work> *net-tools sorry
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2335 [18:52:16] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: I am not saying it is not a bug, but it sounds like a bug releated to your configuration/system, and you might be able to track it down and see what changed after that power outage.
2336 [18:52:49] <somiaj> t3st3r: net-tools is the package name
2337 [18:52:50] <nekOwOseam_> The woodchuck gets a computer and compiles as many wood chucks as his storage device could take
2338 [18:52:57] <wr> get msg on boot "failed to start load kernel modules" in red icon, fix?
2339 [18:53:25] <t3st3r> somiaj> to me problem looks like that: things failed somewhere deep in scripts and so good luck to debug that. Speaking for myself I'm better off troubleshooting systemd units.
2340 [18:53:29] <somiaj> wr: check dmesg see if you can figure out what kernel modules are failed, also check /etc/modules -- do you have a list of modules there.
2341 [18:53:41] <nekOwOseam_> How much storage is unknown. Probably 60GB or less since the wood chuck follows the UNIX philosophy and attempts to have a minimal lifestyle
2342 [18:53:54] <somiaj> t3st3r: I agree, but at least with the systemd compadability layer, systemctl status htpdate should give you any output the script had.
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2344 [18:54:56] <zimb> nekOwOseam: nice screenshot
2345 [18:54:57] <shtrb|work> t3st3r, I repeat there was an issue not that long ago with the generator, you might have experienced it replaced-url
2346 [18:55:50] <shtrb|work> wrong link sorry
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2350 [18:57:08] <shtrb|work> zimb, people will react to #ini50phobia :)
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2352 [18:57:58] <zimb> hahah
2353 [18:58:02] <zimb> good one
2354 [18:58:37] <t3st3r> somiaj> the real issue to me looks like this: script fails somewhere deep inside with some obscure error and good luck to debug why it does so.
2355 [18:59:02] <t3st3r> and I can remember I've had similar experience several times before debian even moved to systemd.
2356 [18:59:14] <somiaj> well first find a way to reproduce it, then if you can get the matainer to reporudce it, they will try to debug it.
2357 [19:00:43] <zimb> shtrb|work: It goes beyond double meaning?
2358 [19:01:13] <somiaj> t3st3r: that is if you care to try to get this fixed in debian if it keeps happening. Just working aroudn with your own unit file works too.
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2362 [19:03:56] <t3st3r> this sounds like rather difficult/time consuming requirement to me. Honestly, computers should just work and doing deep dive into debugging scripts after merely trying to install package is over of my head.
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2364 [19:04:59] <somiaj> well that is part of what makes debian work, reporting bugs
2365 [19:06:08] <nekOwOseam> t3st3r: I've experienced bugs with Debian since 9 released. 8 was seemingly just as stable as past releases
2366 [19:06:14] <t3st3r> from realistic standpoint I could possibly offer systemd unit file as "fix" to systemd-based systems, if I'll be dead sure its "generic enough".
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2368 [19:06:45] <somiaj> t3st3r: that is one thing you could do, offer a systemd unit as a patch, that sounds like a wishlist bug to me
2369 [19:07:26] <somiaj> debian has always had bugs, but as the number of packages grows, without people testing and reproting them to testing they may get overlooked before the release.
2370 [19:07:42] <t3st3r> at least that's what I can realistically craft in foreseeable time without wasting hours on chasing dragons. Well, I'm not expert in debugging large shell scripts.
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2377 [19:08:59] <bharmonic> t3st3r: let the dragons come to you
2378 [19:09:01] <asterismo_l> hi
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2382 [19:10:05] <somiaj> nekOwOseam: a lot depends on use case and how it mixes with what has been tested. I have had a good experience with stretch. But debian releases only aim to fix RC bugs (not all bugs) and often due to time frames, this can't always be done, and often the RC bugs are found after the release.
2383 [19:10:45] <somiaj> sometimes the fix is remove the package, and sometimes the debugging can't fully fix it, but they can minize its effects.
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2385 [19:11:29] <t3st3r> <nekOwOseam> well, actually, Debian 9 works more or less the same as any previous debian. I can remember I even had odd init-related package install issues around Debian 6 or so, before systemd.
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2393 [19:14:19] <somiaj> checking the bug graph is fun, you can see the rc bugs toto zero at the relase then start to climb as new rc bugs are found after the release
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2396 [19:14:50] <somiaj> replaced-url
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2398 [19:14:56] <somiaj> though the graph use to go back further in time
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2403 [19:15:44] <shtrb|work> Let us wait and see if Google will start pushing bugs back to Debian
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2405 [19:15:58] <somiaj> hopefully they come with patches
2406 [19:17:20] <t3st3r> well, problem with bugs is that its just about known things, and there're thousands of fairly big programs, so one can count there're more bugs. Which are unknown yet.
2407 [19:17:21] <somiaj> hmm, looking at the rc graph, wonder if the number is accurate, or refeclts new rc bugs in testing that tag the package without stating what version(s) have the bug.
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2412 [19:17:49] <somiaj> and in terms of bug reports, the biggest thing is helping the matainer reproduce them.
2413 [19:17:55] <somiaj> then at least they can do the dubgging
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2430 [19:29:13] <asterismo_l> i noticed that every time when resuming from suspension, the window manager does not let me click on launchers, i have to hit CTRL+ALT+F1 and back to CTL+ALT+F7 and every goes back to normal.
2431 [19:29:16] <asterismo_l> any ideas?
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2433 [19:29:46] <t3st3r> any GPU errors in dmesg?
2434 [19:29:49] <asterismo_l> I'm running Debian 8 Jessie, the issue happens with LXDE or XFCE
2435 [19:30:18] <asterismo_l> no errors
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2437 [19:30:39] <asterismo_l> i did installer KDE, played with it some, and then uninstalled
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2440 [19:30:48] <asterismo_l> after that this issue appeared
2441 [19:31:15] <shtrb|work> There was an X bug that would cause lockup , it had been fixed already
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2443 [19:32:52] <asterismo_l> no errors in dmesg
2444 [19:33:19] <shtrb|work> There wouldn't be any it is in Xsession error file
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2447 [19:33:55] <asterismo_l> where is that file?
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2450 [19:35:33] <shtrb|work> ~/.xsession-errors is a good start
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2454 [19:36:52] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2457 [19:37:07] <asterismo_l> shtrb|work, thanks for the hint
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2459 [19:38:18] <shtrb|work> It seems I was a bit off , the issue was not in X but in intel driver ( replaced-url
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2461 [19:39:07] <will__> \join #docker
2462 [19:39:57] <will__> please help, i am using polari
2463 [19:40:10] <will__> and i dont see an optionto search for the docker channel
2464 [19:40:25] <will__> i did /join #docker and was brought into an empty channel
2465 [19:40:25] <Monello93> will__, use /join
2466 [19:40:34] <Monello93> mmm
2467 [19:40:46] <Monello93> i'm not interesting
2468 [19:40:51] <will__> did it again, empty channel
2469 [19:41:01] <will__> do i need to identify first or something
2470 [19:41:06] <Monello93> but mybe you write with error the name
2471 [19:41:09] <Monello93> of channel
2472 [19:41:13] <will__> #docker
2473 [19:41:19] <Monello93> boh
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2476 [19:41:29] <will__> is how I spelled it. iirc thats the right spelling, no?
2477 [19:41:31] <Monello93> i don't know
2478 [19:41:39] <Monello93> the exactly name
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2480 [19:41:57] <Monello93> *exactly
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2484 [19:42:41] <birdbolt1> Yea, so I wanted to search
2485 [19:42:50] <birdbolt1> is there a syntax for it when the gui doesnt have that option?
2486 [19:43:13] <Monello93> wait that i search in channel name
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2488 [19:44:04] <Monello93> birdbolt1, yes you have right
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2490 [19:44:31] <Monello93> you don't join in that channel
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2492 [19:44:42] <Monello93> before you must reg.
2493 [19:44:47] <birdbolt1> I identified myself, hoping that would let me in
2494 [19:44:51] <birdbolt1> so i can try now?
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2497 [19:45:07] <birdbolt1> areplaced-url
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2501 [19:46:04] <birdbolt1> okay is hexchat available in apt?
2502 [19:46:10] <shtrb|work> There are 900 ppl there
2503 [19:46:25] <Monello93> birdbolt1, yes
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2505 [19:46:30] <Monello93> now i use hexc..
2506 [19:46:35] <birdbolt1> this irc client looks much cleaner, but lacks all the buttons and functionality im used to in hechat. I guess Ill go back to that old thing lol
2507 [19:46:43] <Monello93> **i'm using
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2509 [19:47:40] <Monello93> mmm you can cli-client
2510 [19:47:55] <Monello93> and create your personal script
2511 [19:48:02] <Monello93> for loggin
2512 [19:48:05] <Monello93> logout
2513 [19:48:10] <Monello93> and ecc...
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2515 [19:48:27] <birdbolt1> I...dont know how to do that rofl
2516 [19:48:39] <birdbolt1> I dont wanna jump through rabbit holes of problems upon problems lol
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2518 [19:48:56] <birdbolt1> My initial issue was having docker installed, but it behaveslike it doesnt exist on system
2519 [19:49:07] <birdbolt1> before I dove into all this lol. I'll wrestle one prob at a time
2520 [19:49:33] <Monello93> *you can use
2521 [19:49:37] <zimb> dove into what?
2522 [19:49:53] <will__> well hexchat works well, ill stick withthis
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2524 [19:50:12] <will__> zimb, into figuring out how to search for channels in POlaris irc client
2525 [19:50:34] <grimsley> should be the standard /list topic
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2527 [19:51:09] <will__> well i went with gnome for various issues with ui size that i have suffered with for a year (in cinamon)
2528 [19:51:16] <will__> and it comes with polaris instead of hexchat
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2533 [19:51:54] <birdbolt1> I assume polaris can be uninstalled with apt remove?
2534 [19:52:07] <grimsley> polaris is the default irc client in some gnome installations. depending on your distribution you can either use the gnome software center or drop down to a terminal and install it there
2535 [19:52:31] <birdbolt1> i want to uninstall lol
2536 [19:52:34] <grimsley> sudo apt remove polaris && sudo apt install hexchat
2537 [19:52:46] <birdbolt1> I'm using hexchat so polaris gotta go
2538 [19:52:47] <grimsley> removes polaris and installs hexchat
2539 [19:53:03] <birdbolt1> unable to remove polaris
2540 [19:53:09] <birdbolt1> i did whereis polaris and it was blank
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2542 [19:53:12] <birdbolt1> i guess osftware center?
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2544 [19:54:05] <grimsley> go to software center and see if you can remove it. you may be required to exit hexcat first though just as a precaution
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2546 [19:54:12] <grimsley> hexchat
2547 [19:54:15] <t3st3r> Monello93> now i use hexc.. <- well, it works :) and its generally like improved x-chat.
2548 [19:54:19] <birdbolt1> yup had to remove from software center. I wonder why its there and not aptitude
2549 [19:54:32] <birdbolt1> and i kept calling it polaris, its actually polari lol
2550 [19:54:37] <birdbolt1> thanks guys
2551 [19:55:00] <Monello93> t3st3r, yes you have right
2552 [19:55:01] <grimsley> naming consistency can be a bit flaky at times
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2556 [19:57:24] <asterismo_l> i fixed the issue
2557 [19:57:55] <t3st3r> about unclickable buttons?
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2559 [19:58:48] <birdbolt1> well, about 1000 people in the channel but no response
2560 [19:58:56] <birdbolt1> can u guys explain this to me? replaced-url
2561 [19:59:09] <birdbolt1> I installed it yesterday but it acts like it doesnt exist on my system
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2564 [19:59:33] <birdbolt1> then when i try to install, it shows its already installed -_-
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2567 [20:00:51] <zimb> do a dpkg -L docker and try to see where the file is
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2569 [20:01:24] <grimsley> just because there are 1000+ user's on the channel don't expect them all to chime in whenever someone poses a question/problem. there are times you'll have to sit and idle until someone chimes in about the issue you're trying to address.
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2571 [20:01:58] <birdbolt1> replaced-url
2572 [20:02:35] <birdbolt1> I believe stuff in /share is systemwide for all users irght?
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2574 [20:02:49] <han-solo> birdbolt1: locate docker; which docker;
2575 [20:02:49] <zimb> yes
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2577 [20:03:21] <zimb> So now you know it is installed, the package exists on your system and with the latest version
2578 [20:03:38] <zimb> you are trying to call docker as a regular user?
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2580 [20:04:23] <zimb> do a "ls -la /bin/wmdocker" and try to see the permisions and owners
2581 [20:04:42] <birdbolt1> oohhhhh, mustve installed it as su
2582 [20:04:48] <zimb> sorry "ls -la /usr/bin/wmdocker"
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2584 [20:05:11] <birdbolt1> i probably did that before installing sudo
2585 [20:05:19] <birdbolt1> and adding myself in visudo
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2587 [20:05:31] <zimb> nope, the permisions and ownership come with the package
2588 [20:05:53] <zimb> you can change after installing it
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2590 [20:06:07] <zimb> but it is not recomended I believe
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2592 [20:06:23] <birdbolt1> it returned: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 19000 Jun 11 2014 /usr/bin/wmdocker
2593 [20:06:30] <birdbolt1> i guess root is owner?
2594 [20:06:47] <birdbolt1> i dont mind running it as root every time if messing with the permissions is not recommended
2595 [20:06:54] <zimb> a better move is to now it the package has its own group and add yourself to it so you can use it
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2597 [20:07:04] <zimb> yes
2598 [20:07:12] <zimb> root is the owner
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2600 [20:07:38] <han-solo> birdbolt1: replaced-url
2601 [20:08:06] <han-solo> follow the instructions. It's pretty straight forward
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2603 [20:08:09] <coruja> but it can be read and executed by any user, like most files in /usr/bin/
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2605 [20:08:17] <mawk> hi
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2608 [20:09:20] <mawk> can I change the pin priority for a source repository ?
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2610 [20:09:35] <birdbolt1> ty han-solo
2611 [20:10:03] <zimb> I believe you will have to add, /usr/bin/ to your path or check how ... There is a service that keeps a cache of file names, I can't remeber the name...
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2613 [20:10:54] <zimb> the name is out of reach in my head now, but it keeps a list/cache of file names
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2615 [20:11:05] <bharmonic> how is /usr/bin NOT already in his PATH?
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2620 [20:12:32] <zimb> I has no idea, but it would be a nice thang to check. Don't you think?
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2622 [20:12:45] <zimb> i HAS
2623 [20:12:51] <zimb> I have
2624 [20:13:33] <petemc> hash
2625 [20:13:37] <zimb> this package I am talking about is used by autocompletion in bash as well, jesus I can't remeber the name now
2626 [20:13:51] <zimb> I hash no idea
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2628 [20:14:09] <petemc> help hash
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2631 [20:14:25] <bites> ,i docker
2632 [20:14:26] <judd> Package docker (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. Version: 1.5-1+b1; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 41k
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2634 [20:14:44] <bites> ^ birdbolt1 that's what you had installed :P
2635 [20:14:59] <jelly> zimb: bash-completion
2636 [20:15:02] <jelly> literally
2637 [20:15:39] <zimb> I believe the package is a dependency
2638 [20:15:42] <zimb> of it
2639 [20:15:48] <jelly> but you don't need that to have bash track the contents of PATH
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2642 [20:17:39] <zimb> I jelly i tried if you know any better, you can give it a try
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2646 [20:18:38] <jelly> sorry, I have not read the actual issue
2647 [20:19:09] <birdbolt1> han-solo, following the instructions from the link u gave me replaced-url
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2651 [20:20:27] <bites> birdbolt1: you have to follow the instructions from the beginning. the docker repository uses https, so you need apt-transport-https.
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2656 [20:20:49] <bites> birdbolt1: scroll up and don't skip steps.
2657 [20:20:57] <zimb> it is used by or was used by auto-completion but it is not it
2658 [20:21:06] <birdbolt1> i see thank you
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2662 [20:24:16] <zimb> the package is called locate
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2665 [20:25:07] <bharmonic> locate just uses find to build the database (updatedb)
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2674 [20:28:42] <jelly> also, locate has absolutely nothing to do with completion
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2676 [20:29:07] <zimb> okay
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2679 [20:30:04] <zimb> ._.
2680 [20:30:48] <zimb> So jelly what it must be?
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2687 [20:34:33] <zimb> just call : "/usr/bin/wmdocker --help" directly and see what happens
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2691 [20:36:17] <zimb> birdbolt1: Ok ?!
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2693 [20:36:40] <dka> I am calling a Gitlab-CI trigger I have just created in the middle of the CI. It gives me 404... I have echo the curl command and tried it locally and it is not a 404. How is this possible ? The same CI have been able to create the trigger.
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2702 [20:40:39] <bites> zimb: that's the wrong docker.
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2711 [20:46:48] <zimb> f*** I don't get one right.
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2714 [20:47:04] <zimb> hehe
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2717 [20:48:19] <zimb> I see now
2718 [20:48:30] <zimb> but that is the one he installed and asked for
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2720 [20:49:11] <bites> not intentionally.
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2722 [20:49:22] <zimb> I see now
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2725 [20:49:50] <zimb> wmdocker system tray for gnome/kde
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2729 [20:50:33] <zimb> docker = cobntainers
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2731 [20:50:42] <birdbolt1> docker =/= vms
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2733 [20:51:19] <zimb> birdbolt do you want help to install docker or wmdocker
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2735 [20:51:56] <zimb> oh ok
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2773 [21:06:50] <brutser> hi all, i use tails and since it is debian based (right?) i have a question here: on the local lan, it is not accepting an ip from the dhcp server. what are the settings i should check to fix this?\
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2777 [21:07:36] <annadane> !tails
2778 [21:07:36] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
2779 [21:07:40] <annadane> brutser, i'd ask there
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2781 [21:08:24] <annadane> oh actually, that may be out of date
2782 [21:08:58] <brutser> anndane: yes it is moved to xmpp with an average of 2-3 people there, so this can be fixed with some understanding of debian, so i thought i ask here
2783 [21:09:28] <brutser> i come from centos, but if you give me idea where to look, i know i will be able to fix this
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2792 [21:13:12] <bharmonic> brutser: is the interface up ... to even be able to accept a dynamic ip?
2793 [21:13:39] <bharmonic> tails is no more secure then debian - especially with it having selinux in it as well
2794 [21:13:59] <birdbolt1> you want security...use QUbes OS...
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2796 [21:15:08] <brutser> bharmonic: yes it is up it just never gets an ip
2797 [21:15:33] <brutser> some armor setting or something preventing this?
2798 [21:15:51] <bharmonic> check firewall
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2801 [21:16:24] <brutser> ok how i turn off firewall all?
2802 [21:16:30] <brutser> i already flushed iptables
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2807 [21:22:12] <petn-randall> brutser: Please ask in the tails channel. Debian by default comes with no firewall set up, and we don't know what kind of magic tails is doing to ensure all things go through tor.
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2809 [21:22:34] <brutser> fair enough, i already did, let's hope people get active tomorrow
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2819 [21:25:35] <bharmonic> just using tor as some security device shows they have no clue
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2827 [21:27:53] <brutser> bharmonic: no clue about what exactly? tails is aimed towards people with little to no experience on a linux distro, but still want to use tor
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2830 [21:29:29] <zumba_ad_> good afternoon folks! Is it possible to make our terminal a little transparent? opacity?
2831 [21:30:16] <bharmonic> tor has been fake for years - read wikipedia at least about who designed it - it served it's purpose and many an 'enemy' embassy and gov used it and guess who was able to read ALL their traffic - was a great security/spy victory for years\
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2833 [21:30:25] <bites> zumba_ad_: depends on the terminal. gnome terminal can do that, terminator too.
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2835 [21:30:53] <zumba_ad_> i think i'm using gnome terminal
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2838 [21:31:20] <bumbar> why does df report /dev/md2 as 100% full when there's ~10gb left? replaced-url
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2840 [21:31:55] <petn-randall> bharmonic: Tails and Debian cater to different user groups. Calling someone clueless is not helpful.
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2842 [21:32:17] <jelly> bumbar: 5% of block space is reserved for root by default
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2844 [21:32:42] <bharmonic> and df isn't exact i think it is in the man page
2845 [21:32:58] <bharmonic> du gives a better idea
2846 [21:32:59] <bumbar> 5% at a few TB adds up...
2847 [21:33:19] <jelly> you have a 0.2 TB
2848 [21:33:42] <bumbar> i know, i'm saying if one has a few tb of disk space, 5% is a lot
2849 [21:34:02] <bharmonic> petn-randall: tails has only gained populary because it was used on the mr robot show - it really serves no real purpose - and i'm all for real security
2850 [21:34:09] <jelly> bumbar: tune2fs is your friend, also mke2fs
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2852 [21:35:05] <bites> zumba_ad_: ha, maybe i lied. just checked and i can't find it in gnome-terminal. terminator most certainly can, though.
2853 [21:35:17] <zumba_ad_> cool
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2857 [21:38:12] <bharmonic> bumbar: what are you doing for backup of the drive? i remember the horror when my first linux 800MB drive failed - 1TB makes me shudder
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2883 [21:54:36] <Peyam> hi people
2884 [21:55:42] <rpifan> hi
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2902 [22:04:16] <bharmonic> peyan you are now suppost to send rpifan a acknowledge - or were you just probing?
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2905 [22:05:20] <bharmonic> rpifan - i assume the rpi is the pi? do you have the 64bit installation?
2906 [22:05:46] <rpifan> raspberry pi yes
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2936 [22:21:25] <jelly> bharmonic: df is very exact, it asks the filesystem how much free space there is, and du is quite useless if user wants to find out about how much free space remains
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2938 [22:23:31] <clemens3_> du is better for looking into where to release/remove files/space
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2941 [22:25:10] <jelly> sure, but the bumblebee user did not ask about that
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2943 [22:25:26] <dka> I am doing a `curl -sS` but I still see the body (and the secret token) in my stdout. WHy?
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2946 [22:26:57] <jelly> dka: man page says: -s [...] It will still output the data you ask for,
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2950 [22:29:10] <dka> -s, --silent Silent mode (don't output anything)
2951 [22:29:13] <dka> -S, --show-error Show error. With -s, make curl show errors when they occur
2952 [22:29:37] <dkz> dka: dunno about your issue, but your nickname rocks
2953 [22:30:05] <jelly> dka: man curl
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2955 [22:31:24] <dka> dkz your's sound like dicz
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2960 [22:32:07] <dka> jelly, you are right it's in man
2961 [22:32:09] <dka> how can I do ?
2962 [22:32:32] <jelly> do what, redirect stdout to /dev/null ?
2963 [22:32:49] <dkz> dka thank you, if you wanna know more just /query
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2967 [22:33:44] <dka> got it
2968 [22:33:54] <dka> -o /dev/null
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2970 [22:34:04] <jelly> that seems sane
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2975 [22:34:38] <bharmonic> jelly you do know about significant digits? so giving infor from df -h is useless
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2979 [22:35:28] <jelly> bharmonic: I did not say "df -h", and neither did you
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2981 [22:36:36] <jelly> it is in fact exactly the right common command to get info about free space on a mountpoint
2982 [22:37:27] <jelly> and it has other options; the default output shows block sizes in 1KiB units
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2996 [22:43:25] <peturvilj> I have a nasty bug with thunderbird on debian sid. Thunderbird does not start and freezes the system. According to dmesg, it is related to apparmor and maybe this bug replaced-url
2997 [22:43:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2998 [22:43:40] <peturvilj> Anyone affected?
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3006 [22:47:16] <bharmonic> jelly: you seem to be missing the point - without the correct 'precision' option with the df command the % is meaningless the only truly 'corrent' df option is /bin/df --block-size=1
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3010 [22:48:28] <jelly> bharmonic: there's no filesystem in Debian where you can allocate a single byte
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3013 [22:49:37] <bharmonic> ??? echo > aa
3014 [22:49:51] <bharmonic> now do ls -la
3015 [22:50:04] <jelly> bharmonic: how compare the output of df before and after that, and also du on the file
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3017 [22:50:09] <jelly> s/how/now/
3018 [22:50:43] <petn-randall> bharmonic: It's advisable to only correct people on the internet if you know what you're actually talking about.
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3020 [22:50:50] <jelly> bharmonic: on ext4, you will either see no change in Available, or a 4KiB change, or more
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3023 [22:51:34] <petn-randall> bharmonic: File size and actual disk usage are two very different things. If they are identical it's a coincidence.
3024 [22:51:56] <jelly> it stems from being impossible to write two bytes to a disk; you can only write a whole sector
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3026 [22:53:29] <jelly> inlining of very very small files on some filesystem types means a 3 byte file might actually take 0 blocks
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3028 [22:54:24] <bharmonic> haha petn-randall kettle calling other kettle purple?
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3030 [22:55:00] <jelly> bharmonic: don't taunt the ops
3031 [22:55:16] <jelly> you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup
3032 [22:55:22] <bharmonic> no matter how many bytes the fs takes to make a 1 byte file it is still 'significant digits' that concerned the original poster
3033 [22:55:33] <petn-randall> bharmonic: Try running `dd if=/dev/zero of=sparsefile bs=1 count=0 seek=10G`, and check the output of `df` before and after. Also check the output of `ls -l sparsefile`, `du -sh sparsefile` and `du -sh --apparent-size sparsefile`.
3034 [22:55:56] <petn-randall> bharmonic: Also a 1 byte file might not take *any* extra disk space due to tail packing.
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3036 [22:56:57] <jelly> bharmonic: no, they were trying to figure out the discrepancy between total and available space <bumbar> why does df report /dev/md2 as 100% full when there's ~10gb left? replaced-url
3037 [22:57:04] <bharmonic> still missing the point - the original poster was talking about why his % did not represent the reality and it was 'significant digits' of his output
3038 [22:57:14] <petn-randall> bharmonic: Also, you're looking for the expression "pot calling the kettle black" ... :)
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3040 [22:57:42] <bharmonic> jelly: thank you for confirming what i've been saying
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3043 [22:57:50] <jelly> bharmonic: there are 3 digits, enough to see the issue
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3045 [22:57:54] <bharmonic> petn-randall: lol
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3048 [22:58:42] <jelly> bharmonic: even 2 would have been enough
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3052 [23:01:46] <bharmonic> indeed just as i said - thank you
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3054 [23:02:08] <petn-randall> NOT
3055 [23:02:26] <jelly> bharmonic: you said it was inexact. It's not
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3061 [23:03:40] <jelly> you also said it was 'significant digits', but there are enough of those not to be the problem. Perhaps it's a second language issue.
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3066 [23:06:26] <bharmonic> how is how is /bin/df with 1k blocks exact? that is like say 1K is exact when the number is really 1001
3067 [23:06:54] <bharmonic> anything but 1B is inexact
3068 [23:07:05] <jelly> this is how it's exact: actual block size of a typical filesystem is an integer multiple of 1KiB
3069 [23:07:10] <bharmonic> the file that now has the 1byte is 4k
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3071 [23:07:48] <jelly> df shows total and available block size
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3074 [23:08:42] <bharmonic> that ainta whata man df says it is
3075 [23:08:51] <jelly> one can't allocate less than 1 block on a filesystem
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3078 [23:09:44] <bharmonic> yea and?
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3080 [23:09:50] <jelly> so on an ext4 or xfs with 4KiB block size, df default output is 100% precise
3081 [23:10:03] <jelly> no rounding
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3095 [23:12:34] <bharmonic> and you just agreed with me that df doesn't do the 'real' size on the disk
3096 [23:12:57] <waydot> fewer
3097 [23:13:00] <bharmonic> hence it is inexext
3098 [23:13:02] <jelly> bharmonic: the tool literally asks the filesystem how many blocks are free and multiplies that by block size
3099 [23:13:15] <jelly> bharmonic: it does not and need not know file sizes
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3104 [23:14:07] <jelly> bharmonic: it does statfs() and formats that output, that's as exact as it can be
3105 [23:14:22] <csierra_> I'm looking for a tool that will transmit uptime information from a system (without external access) to either a third party or my vps, where I can view the information externally. Does such a thing exist?
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3107 [23:14:40] <dkz> bharmonic no, jelly and petn-randall were right
3108 [23:14:42] <waydot> man is this retarded :)
3109 [23:15:07] <waydot> it's like arguing that speedometer in a car is useless because it's not exact ...
3110 [23:15:25] <somiaj> csierra_: cron + ssh and key sending the info? There are also monintor tools like zabbix, but that might be overkill for uptime
3111 [23:15:26] <jelly> bharmonic: so pretty please if you're helping people, learn about how tools work first
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3113 [23:16:05] <somiaj> csierra_: here I"m assuming the machine can at least call out (even if can't be accessed from the outside)
3114 [23:16:28] <jelly> csierra_: what does "without external access" mean, you can get from the system to remote to report info?
3115 [23:16:36] <bharmonic> jelly: lol heedist though own advise my friend
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3117 [23:17:28] <bharmonic> df is inexact and gives incorrect information !!!
3118 [23:17:40] <csierra_> jelly: It doesn't allow inbound connections. It can do outbound. It's on my home network. somiaj: That might work. I'll take a look.
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3124 [23:18:33] <jelly> sigh
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3132 [23:19:36] <somiaj> csierra_: depending on the security you want, there are ways to isolate what the user you set up the key to ssh from the server to your vps (or other server with ssh) to do. But with ssh + key access, cron could easily run uptime, export it to a file, then copy that file to a remote machine with an ssh server.
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3136 [23:20:16] <jelly> bharmonic: muted for 24h, try to do better research before providing help in here
3137 [23:20:20] <somiaj> bharmonic: you should at least try to learn, if you consider disk ussage the file size and not block size, you are missing the point of the tool.
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3140 [23:20:35] <somiaj> well block ussage * block size
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3177 [23:36:45] <ksk> csierra_: maybe use an command limitation in ssh key? see man sshd_config (probably, there is like a command= value for a pubkey line in .ssh/authorized_keys)
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3181 [23:40:02] <somiaj> I also think you can restrict sshd_config to only allow the user scp privlages, so they can only copy files as another alternative.
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3183 [23:40:27] <somiaj> the command= option I think requires you have a script on the ssh server to santisise inputs, at least that is what rrsync does.
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3214 [23:54:22] <skizzy> hello. I am trying to install compile a program that needs qt3 libraries. I'm on Debiant stretch and only see qt4+ packages. Hoow do i install qt3 dev libraries?
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3216 [23:55:11] <somiaj> there might not be an easy way to get older libs on debian stretch. Is there a way to update the program to qt3.
3217 [23:55:25] <somiaj> Depending on the lib, sometimes the older ones in jessie will work, but be careful if going that route
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3220 [23:55:38] <somiaj> I mean qt4
3221 [23:55:38] <skizzy> I don't have the skill to update the program. it's something that is listed as a want of their though
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3225 [23:56:05] <skizzy> so do I just add a jessie repository?
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3228 [23:56:42] <somiaj> you could, but be careful. I have not seen this done for a big lib such as libqt, I have only seen this done for small libs that are one or two packages.
3229 [23:57:04] <somiaj> My advise is don't, but that is the only way I can think if you don't care to follow that, ymmv
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3231 [23:57:20] <skizzy> is there a way to do it without messing up the system? I can't just point make to the libraries the .h files etc
3232 [23:57:51] <skizzy> I would love to port it t qt4 but i don't know it
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