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• 25[00:07:50] <SlidingHorn> I just did an apt list --upgradable, and it's showing me wayland libs to upgrade. I never installed wayland. Why are its libraries insalled?
• 26[00:08:20] <epergny> is Wayland in Buster?
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• 28[00:09:45] <annadane> i think it depends on the desktop environment
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• 30[00:10:13] <annadane> anyway, the channel for testing/sid is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net; they may have more information
• 31[00:10:46] <annadane> SlidingHorn, you can aptitude why foo to see why a package is installed
• 32[00:11:06] <SlidingHorn> annadane: just did...apparently it was pulled in from surf
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• 34[00:11:10] <SlidingHorn> thanks
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• 37[00:11:29] <epergny> annadane: ok thanks
• 38[00:11:57] <annadane> wayland isn't really considered finished by anyone
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• 40[00:12:09] <annadane> i know GNOME wants to use wayland as default in buster
• 41[00:12:17] <annadane> plasma has some wayland support, but it's an incremental thing
• 42[00:13:02] <annadane> last i heard the redshift package wasn't compatible with it which will turn people off unless someone makes it work with wayland
• 43[00:13:28] <jsync> I found a bug report that talks about obmenu. I'm not sure that would fix the problem with gespeaker though.
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• 45[00:14:36] <jhutchins> !wayland
• 46[00:14:36] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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• 49[00:14:50] <jhutchins> ,v weston
• 50[00:14:51] <judd> Package: weston on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.0-2+b1; stretch: 1.12.0-3; buster: 3.0.0-1; sid: 3.0.0-1
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• 65[00:21:27] <XViLKA> hey
• 66[00:21:43] <XViLKA> as far as vim, I am trying to edit a file with extension .sage
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• 68[00:22:05] <XViLKA> how can I make vim do :set autoindent each time I edit a file with this extension?
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• 75[00:26:50] <jsync> I found a ubuntu page that suggested libglade2.6.3 would build gtk.glade, though I haven't found a debian page that cites that library file.
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• 163[01:09:04] <epergny> (/ 291 1.21)
• 164[01:09:17] <epergny> erf... Wrong window. Sorry guys.
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• 166[01:09:38] <annadane> i'm highly offended.
• 167[01:10:57] <HeXiLeD> be offended. enjoy
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• 174[01:15:35] <wolfden> lol
• 175[01:15:35] <Circuitsoft> Hello - I'm trying to get an /old/ computer up and running. Is there a list of hardware support and requirements for different Debian releases I could reference?
• 176[01:16:55] <Circuitsoft> Primary sticking point hardware is going to be Sound (CS4237B) and Graphics (Trident Cyber9397), and reasonable performance within 96MB of RAM.
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• 181[01:18:39] <cef> 96MB or RAM is likely to be your big sticking point.
• 182[01:18:50] <mutante> Circuitsoft: maybe you would like replaced-url
• 183[01:19:05] <mutante> it's like DamnSmall / Puppy, but based on Debian
• 184[01:19:35] <Circuitsoft> I may also try a Yocto build for it. That could be fun...
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• 193[01:20:35] <Circuitsoft> I did use it as my primary machine in 2004/5, though it's what drove me to LyX because OpenOffice's menus would swap to disk.
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• 196[01:21:40] <cef> Circuitsoft: heh. I still have some hardware from '93 here. Need to replace the bios battery tho. ;)
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• 198[01:22:37] <Circuitsoft> cef: Me too: Thinkpad 360cse - has a Western Digital graphics chip...
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• 201[01:23:32] <cef> Should probably take it to my local hackerspace and desolder the thing. and one of the ISA bus sockets which is corroded. :/ Used to run debian way way way long ago.. not now. only 40MB Ram.
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• 203[01:23:50] <mutante> Circuitsoft: replaced-url
• 204[01:24:14] <mutante> wheezy says 64MB is possible, stable says you need 128
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• 206[01:25:12] <mutante> jessie also says 128, so you would have to go back to 7.0 for 96
• 207[01:25:19] <Circuitsoft> mutante: Sarge looks most reasonable on this marchine.
• 208[01:25:34] <mutante> that seems much older than needed
• 209[01:25:54] <mutante> go from replaced-url
• 210[01:25:59] <Circuitsoft> "With Desktop: 64 Megabytes RAM"
• 211[01:26:03] <cef> Circuitsoft: what's the application? just to demo that it still works or something actually useful?
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• 214[01:26:31] <Circuitsoft> I used to have it running as a Jukebox - I actually quite liked the soundcard in it.
• 215[01:26:35] <mutante> Circuitsoft: i just looked at the lowest number of all, which is without desktop
• 216[01:26:39] <Circuitsoft> Figured I'd try to re-start that application.
• 217[01:26:48] <Circuitsoft> I suppose I don't really need a desktop for that app.
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• 220[01:27:48] <mutante> Circuitsoft: BUT.. also see the sentence below that table: "The actual minimum memory requirements are a lot less than the numbers listed in this table. Depending on the architecture, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 60MB (for amd64). "
• 221[01:28:10] <mutante> that is about current stable.. so just try that first
• 222[01:28:27] <Circuitsoft> Ok. Is there still going to be ISAPNP support?
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• 224[01:29:40] <mutante> no idea. but one way to find out. just try
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• 228[01:31:30] <rpifan> os mutantes
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• 246[01:46:26] <abh0rt> my computer is too slow to play x265, can i decode the file to something easier on my cpu ?
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• 268[02:00:29] <KindaNoob> hoi
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• 270[02:00:49] <KindaNoob> trying ifdown, but it returns "interface wifi not configured"
• 271[02:01:00] <KindaNoob> What config it wants?
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• 273[02:01:02] <t3st3r> abh0rt> Sure, you can try to use, say, ffmpeg (console tool) or VLC (graphic program) to transcode it.
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• 276[02:01:12] <KindaNoob> It has ip address and I can ping it
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• 284[02:10:28] <improved> hi
• 285[02:10:44] <improved> can I ask about vim ?
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• 292[02:13:28] <annadane> !ask to ask
• 293[02:13:28] <dpkg> Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
• 294[02:13:32] <annadane> improved, ^
• 295[02:13:40] <improved> so I had a text file open in vim with few thousands lines and accidentally run command ":W" instead of ":w" and for some reason I lost last few hundreds lines, so what happened ?
• 296[02:13:47] <improved> and I can't undo it
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• 304[02:18:20] <wolfden> is the text in the register?
• 305[02:20:00] <improved> I don't know
• 306[02:20:12] <improved> I allready closed the file and reopened it again
• 307[02:20:40] <wolfden> oh, ESC for normal mode than :reg
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• 309[02:20:57] <wolfden> not sure once you close it tho
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• 332[02:33:41] <KindaNoob> guys, I can't ifdown some interface
• 333[02:34:02] <KindaNoob> I use PCI-network card
• 334[02:34:19] <KindaNoob> and it turns UP when I connect cable and down if disconnect
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• 336[02:34:28] <KindaNoob> But I can't ifdown/ifup it
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• 443[03:49:15] <cluelessperson> I've mounted a smb share with CIFS
• 444[03:49:25] <cluelessperson> but some gui applications are unable to view the contents of the directory
• 445[03:49:37] <cluelessperson> or pay when opening "MRI"s
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• 455[03:54:51] <michael2> hi all, does anyone know how to disable system speaker? it beeps repeatedly - even when Im not using profanities
• 456[03:55:19] <annadane> well, what DE?
• 457[03:56:16] <michael2> i3
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• 459[03:56:45] <annadane> beeps repeatedly just when the computer is idling? do you do anything to trigger it?
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• 461[03:57:07] <michael2> it beeps at all sorts of things
• 462[03:57:15] <michael2> plugging in power
• 463[03:57:24] <annadane> odd
• 464[03:57:29] <michael2> backspacing at terminal prompt
• 465[03:57:52] <michael2> I assume its any time a program sends a bell
• 466[03:58:12] <michael2> maybe its in my bios?
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• 468[04:00:27] <dvs> \a\a\a
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• 470[04:01:18] <michael2> echo "michael2 is my hero" >> /home/dvs/.bashrc
• 471[04:01:51] <michael2> echo "PROMPT='michael2 is my hero $ '" >> /home/dvs/.bashrc
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• 482[04:11:16] <awal1> michael2, what are you trying to do? disable beeps (bell) in your i3?
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• 484[04:12:02] <dvs> i think in general
• 485[04:12:40] <awal1> if that is the case, just create a hiden file and call it .inputrc and insert set bell-style none
• 486[04:12:57] <awal1> well, that will disable bell beeps
• 487[04:13:13] <awal1> logout from X and login again
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• 490[04:13:27] <michael2> awal1: inputrc - thats readline?
• 491[04:13:40] <awal1> readline?
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• 493[04:14:04] <awal1> open terminal and run: nano .inputrc
• 494[04:14:21] <awal1> insert this line: set bell-style none
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• 496[04:14:24] <michael2> you know the line editor for that shell that occassionally people use
• 497[04:14:44] <awal1> ctrl-o + Enter for save then ctrl-x for close the file
• 498[04:14:58] <awal1> nano easiest
• 499[04:15:31] <awal1> logout and login again. that is all
• 500[04:15:42] <awal1> same for root dir
• 501[04:15:50] <michael2> that only turns off bell generation for a program I dont use
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• 504[04:16:20] <michael2> I want to disable the speaker
• 505[04:16:52] <michael2> the logical equivalent of desoldering the wires
• 506[04:17:03] <awal1> ah
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• 511[04:18:36] <awal1> michael2, try replaced-url
• 512[04:18:48] <awal1> I guessthat is what you want?
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• 515[04:20:25] <michael2> awal1: nice find, thanks. this looks interesting:
• 516[04:20:27] <michael2> rmmod pcspkr
• 517[04:20:44] <awal1> good
• 518[04:20:50] <michael2> what the command to list loaded kernel module? lsmod?
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• 520[04:21:11] <awal1> yep
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• 522[04:21:54] <michael2> cool, heres what I got: % sudo lsmod | grep pcsp
• 523[04:21:55] <michael2> pcspkr 16384 0
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• 525[04:22:38] <awal1> you dont need sudoor su for lsmod
• 526[04:22:48] <awal1> rmmod yeah
• 527[04:23:04] <awal1> that eans that your pcspkr is loaded
• 528[04:23:18] <michael2> yeah, but I'll need sudo/root to unload module though, right? so to turn of pcspkr (at least until next reboot) I just run `sudo rmmod pcspkr'
• 529[04:24:37] <awal1> rmmod will unload the module
• 530[04:24:39] <morfeokmg> someone use wmii on his debian 9.4?
• 531[04:24:46] <awal1> blacklist it for next boots
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• 542[04:27:10] <michael2> awal1: rmmod worked :)
• 543[04:27:33] <awal1> good
• 544[04:27:43] <awal1> dinner time, ciao
• 545[04:27:48] <michael2> cya
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• 571[04:58:06] <nezZario> Does anyone know, ... how easy is it to just upgrade a package yourself with apt-src and rebuild the deb ?
• 572[04:59:11] <nezZario> Is there perhaps a tutorial somewhere that someone might suggest? I am just trying to take guake, which is 3.0.5 in testing, and upgrade the guake code to the git HEAD but keep all the debianization and compile myself and end up with a fresh .deb
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• 580[05:02:29] <dvs> !ssb
• 581[05:02:29] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 584[05:04:46] <MyLittleTorrent> hi
• 585[05:05:15] <MyLittleTorrent> how to run transmission-cli so after it downloads it just disconnects without seeding ?
• 586[05:05:22] <MyLittleTorrent> because I have script:
• 587[05:05:24] <MyLittleTorrent> cat links.txt | while read -r a; do transmission-cli "${a}"; done
• 588[05:05:35] <MyLittleTorrent> and I want it to download all files from the list, and I don't have transmission-daemon, so I can't create queue
• 589[05:06:04] <MyLittleTorrent> because right now it just stuck on first torrent and seeding, I want it to finish and go to next link
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• 724[07:00:37] <KindaNoob> after 20 min PC with Debian "sleeps": display is black, but num Lock responds
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• 726[07:03:24] <somiaj> are you sure it is sleeping, and not just turning the monintor off?
• 727[07:03:38] <cluelessperson> How do I prevent "clear" from cleaning my scrollback?
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• 729[07:03:41] <cluelessperson> it didn't use to do that
• 730[07:04:09] <somiaj> KindaNoob: try something like 'systemctl suspend' to put it into suspend mode, and see if when actually suspended numlock still responds. If so, this might be something to do with your hardware.
• 731[07:06:04] <somiaj> cluelessperson: man clear, seems that was a bug, it will clear the buffer if E3 copability is defined. and there is a note about in 2013 the e3 extension was overlooked, and that was address in 2016.
• 732[07:06:21] <somiaj> cluelessperson: does 'ctrl-l' give you the affect you were use to?
• 733[07:06:46] <cluelessperson> somiaj: yes, but I have a strong habit of typiing clear all the time
• 734[07:06:51] <KindaNoob> yeah, same. Ok, will turn off this feature
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• 737[07:07:17] <somiaj> KindaNoob: maybe snoop around your bios/firmware, there are sometimes some acpi settings to help non-window oses (such as using non-windows os)
• 738[07:07:42] <somiaj> cluelessperson: alais clear='echo hit ctrl-l instead'
• 739[07:07:49] <KindaNoob> it's an old machine, so I'll just turn this feature off
• 740[07:08:14] <cluelessperson> somiaj: is that a valid command? :P "echo hit ctrl-l"
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• 742[07:08:22] <cluelessperson> or just literally type it as like, a character
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• 744[07:08:37] <somiaj> cluelessperson: echo just prints the following stuff to the screen, so if you type clear, it would output 'hit ctrl-l'
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• 746[07:08:49] <somiaj> cluelessperson: thus not clearing your buffer, and reminding you to hit ctrl-l -- it was partly a joke
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• 748[07:09:11] <cluelessperson> somiaj: lol, I got the joke as you were explaininig it, yeah, no
• 749[07:09:13] <cluelessperson> kill me now
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• 756[07:11:50] <themill> cluelessperson: alias clear="printf '\033[2J'"
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• 758[07:13:36] <themill> (tput clear probably also works)
• 759[07:14:31] <cluelessperson> themill: thanks, somiaj I probably just need to break the bad habit
• 760[07:14:33] <cluelessperson> :P
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• 762[07:14:59] <themill> that and «alias gerp='grep'»
• 763[07:15:30] <somiaj> cluelessperson: themill seems to actually know how to send the right escape sequence, so there is a solution.
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• 765[07:16:43] <cluelessperson> themill: somiaj I like this one: replaced-url
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• 767[07:17:02] <cluelessperson> "thefuck" where you type "fuck" to correct your last spelling mistake.
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• 771[07:18:04] <jelly> ,i thefuck
• 772[07:18:05] <judd> Package thefuck (python, optional) in stretch/amd64: spelling corrector of console commands. Version: 3.11-2; Size: 40.0k; Installed: 222k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 773[07:18:09] <themill> "alias doch='sudo !!'"
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• 823[07:50:52] <KindaNoob> how to use "date"?
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• 825[07:51:13] <KindaNoob> date -s="05/15/2018" +%D doesn't work
• 826[07:51:29] <KindaNoob> when %D == %m/%d/%y
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• 828[07:51:43] <jelly> what are you trying to do?
• 829[07:52:13] <jelly> KindaNoob: date -s 2018-05-15 ?
• 830[07:52:25] <KindaNoob> kinda this but with format
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• 832[07:52:42] <jelly> why would you use an insane format when setting time?
• 833[07:52:50] <KindaNoob> I can - I use
• 834[07:53:11] <KindaNoob> Some stuff use formatted output
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• 836[07:53:21] <jelly> I _think_ + is for output format, not input format
• 837[07:53:40] <jelly> can you make said stuff use a sane ISO format
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• 839[07:53:58] <KindaNoob> nope
• 840[07:54:10] <KindaNoob> I didn't made it
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• 843[07:56:15] <themill> Why are you setting the system time based on random data you can't change?
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• 848[07:58:22] <KindaNoob> why random?
• 849[07:58:26] <somiaj> note that systemd has a default time sync running, so trying to set the time with date will most likely be reverted. Might want to explain your actual goal KindaNoob
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• 851[07:58:42] <somiaj> KindaNoob: is your date wrong, and you want to fix it?
• 852[07:59:02] <KindaNoob> time sync? How to turn this off?
• 853[07:59:19] <KindaNoob> sorry, I'm sick of this stuff
• 854[07:59:22] <somiaj> you don't want to, messing with your date will have unexpected consequences and could break things.
• 855[07:59:27] <somiaj> why not explain what you actually want to do.
• 856[07:59:32] <themill> KindaNoob: you apparently have dates in a weird format that you can change and now you are trying to set your system time to this date format which doesn't include a time. That makes little sense.
• 857[07:59:33] <KindaNoob> to change date you should fuck with command line
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• 859[08:00:26] <KindaNoob> 2018-05-15 doesn't include time too
• 860[08:00:27] <somiaj> KindaNoob: What is your actual goal, do you want to set your computer the the wrong date/time?
• 861[08:00:37] <Logg> can you just use ntp...
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• 863[08:00:49] <somiaj> Logg: not needed, systemd already has a time sync doing that.
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• 865[08:00:51] <jelly> KindaNoob: you're trying to do something unusual, which makes us think your actual goal is something else than what you're asking
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• 868[08:01:06] <KindaNoob> for a now: just set date with command based on program output
• 869[08:01:23] <themill> that's a very very weird thing to do
• 870[08:01:26] <KindaNoob> also, I shouldn't use some remote servers for setting time
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• 872[08:01:32] <jelly> KindaNoob: so can you explain what are you really trying to achieve?
• 873[08:01:34] <KindaNoob> it's dangerous
• 874[08:02:19] <jelly> date -s 2018-05-15T06:02:00+00:00 ?
• 875[08:02:21] <Logg> KindaNoob, you can get a free certificate thing with nist.gov if you're worried about "dangerous" time updates
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• 877[08:02:47] <somiaj> KindaNoob: systemd's time-sync.target is keeping your date synced with the internet time, which is what almost all users should have. You will have to disable that before running jelly's command, else your date/time will just be reverted.
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• 879[08:03:01] <KindaNoob> what if I can't get access to the internet, guys?
• 880[08:03:10] <somiaj> KindaNoob: but again, this is very unsual and something that could break basic functionality.
• 881[08:03:16] <themill> let's solve real problems not imaginary ones
• 882[08:03:30] <somiaj> KindaNoob: so you should explain your actual problem, and why you think changing the date/time is going to help.
• 883[08:03:49] <KindaNoob> my actual problem is Russia
• 884[08:03:49] <Logg> if it's not on the internet, no time updates are considered dangerous.
• 885[08:03:58] <KindaNoob> and russian government
• 886[08:04:41] <KindaNoob> enterprise netwrk that fucked up by national sec.services
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• 888[08:05:37] <jelly> set up a pair of local ntp servers and sync time within your network from your own time servers
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• 890[08:06:09] <jelly> somiaj: is that thing enabled by default on a fresh stretch installation?
• 891[08:06:24] <somiaj> jelly: yes
• 892[08:06:30] <Logg> KindaNoob, replaced-url
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• 894[08:07:27] <KindaNoob> ok, have to go
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• 896[08:07:51] <jelly> !next
• 897[08:07:51] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 898[08:08:05] <Logg> lol
• 899[08:08:26] <jelly> i wonder if russian gvt also intercepts GPS and DCF77
• 900[08:08:45] <Logg> damn russian gubbermint
• 901[08:08:52] <somiaj> jelly: Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/time-sync.target; static; vendor preset: enabled)
• 902[08:09:17] <jelly> can't be worse than their stub dns resolver
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• 905[08:11:21] <jelly> that's just a target tho, what service is actually responsible for clock setting and discipline
• 906[08:12:06] <themill> /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service
• 907[08:12:07] <somiaj> not quite sure, wonder if it defaults to something internal, but if you install ntp, it would use that instead.
• 908[08:12:24] <somiaj> ahh, there it is, unsure why the target is what turned up in my search.
• 909[08:12:34] <somiaj> s/why/why just the/
• 910[08:13:07] <bug> ah, he's gone. was gonna suggest he look at replaced-url
• 911[08:13:07] <themill> and /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d/disable-with-time-daemon.conf contains all the disabling for when you are already running ntp, chrony, etc
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• 914[08:14:22] <jelly> oh, that's where vmware's host time thing should be added if we weren't running ntpd everywhere
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• 916[08:15:26] <bug> i revert to sysvinit on stretch so i install ntp too.
• 917[08:16:26] <jelly> I don't trust auxiliary services from systemd, but it's good enough for service startup and casual monitoring/restart
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• 920[08:17:55] <bug> yeh, if all it did was be an init i'd have no problems with it. but it's tangled up in so much now.
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• 923[08:18:22] <somiaj> I just wish the design was more modular, so the gnome/desktop people could have their integration, but using a class wm, I could just disable most of it.
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• 928[08:20:35] <jelly> I wonder if I can run "vmware-toolbox-cmd timesync status" and have it disable the thingy, but only if open-vm-tools is installed and the command returns 0
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• 938[08:24:42] <jelly> it's modular enough, you can disable its PAM if you don't want it, you can obviously disable components like timesyncd and resolved when there are better options
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• 942[08:25:38] <somiaj> hmm, yea I should just dig deeper, I'm just tired of .xsession-errors filling up with noise about not having NetworkManager installed, and various other missiner dbus services.
• 943[08:26:17] <somiaj> though I guess it is google-chrom and chromium causing it
• 944[08:26:56] <bug> network manager is just unnecessary bloat.
• 945[08:27:35] <somiaj> just to much noise, I'm to the point with most desktop apps I pipe stderr to /dev/null because not running a full DE like gnome, they sure like to complain.
• 946[08:28:57] <themill> that's not dependent on you having a DE
• 947[08:29:18] <Haohmaru> i wish there was a way to combine different "panels" as one panel
• 948[08:29:40] <jelly> yes, gtk and qt will will write crap to their stderr regardless of DE used!
• 949[08:29:44] <somiaj> Haohmaru: in what wm/de, you could also use a third party pannel like tint2, and disable the ones in your wm/de
• 950[08:30:06] <kleinerdr> where can i find information why freenode got so big and other networks like ircnet or efnet are small, almost abandoned nowadays?
• 951[08:30:20] <somiaj> themill: jelly: ahh I was just under the impression they are use to the common stuff installed by gnome, and woulnd't be as noise if I had all that installed and was using it.
• 952[08:30:57] <Haohmaru> somiaj thing is, i want the "start" button of lxpanel, tint2 in the middle for taskbar, then xfce4-panel on the right for clock/resourcemeters
• 953[08:30:59] <somiaj> kleinerdr: I would start in #freenode, and I think partly it was due to a major staff overhaul here, at one time freenode was going downhill.
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• 955[08:31:16] <somiaj> !oftc move
• 956[08:31:16] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 957[08:31:46] <jelly> kleinerdr: mostly because freenode has useful stuff on it
• 958[08:31:51] <somiaj> kleinerdr: not quite relevent, but there was some issues around 2006 causing debian to move to oftc as their official network.
• 959[08:31:56] <jelly> so it has, you know, users
• 960[08:32:10] <kleinerdr> somiaj: thank you
• 961[08:32:22] <jelly> dpkg, oftc move =~ s/Freenode/freenode/
• 962[08:32:22] <dpkg> jelly: OK
• 963[08:32:47] <kleinerdr> jelly: jes, but that certainly hasn't always been the case. i remember IRC from the old days where freenode didn't even exist and i wonder what happened since then.
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• 965[08:33:21] <jelly> 25 years passed
• 966[08:34:06] <jelly> kids from 1993 grew up, kids in 2018 use different services
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• 968[08:34:26] <somiaj> kleinerdr: there are so many social sites out there now, a lot of what drew users in the past to irc, now draws them elsewhere. Freenode seemed to hit a community / users that it still has a good population on irc.
• 969[08:34:33] <kleinerdr> jelly: true. i didn't find any of my friends from back then, instead i discovered that freenode seems to have taken over everything.
• 970[08:34:54] <jelly> freenode is more a professional network for open source projects and related issues than chat
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• 972[08:35:14] <kleinerdr> i see. i wonder if i can adjust to this new irc feeling ;)
• 973[08:35:15] <somiaj> but I think what you are seeing is mostly irc is not that popular these days, and somehow freenode is able to retain a set of users.
• 974[08:35:28] <Diagon> If you don't mind me jumping in, Matrix seems to be drawing new people into IRC. You can set up a bridge from a matrix server to any IRC server.
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• 976[08:35:39] <Diagon> (plugging Matrix :)
• 977[08:36:01] <somiaj> and for the most part, I think the only good channels on freenode are the support/technecial ones, the social ones are mostly meh.
• 978[08:36:07] <kleinerdr> that's kind of sad and cool at the same time. seems like irc always has been and nowadays again is kind of the "laid back" spot on the net.
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• 980[08:36:28] <Logg> replaced-url
• 981[08:36:37] <jelly> kleinerdr: if you can survive being shooed off to social channels like #debian-offtopic or ##chat when asking non-topic questions in a topical tech channel, you'll probably do!
• 982[08:36:42] <kleinerdr> somiaj: so where to go for the social ones?
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• 984[08:37:19] <Diagon> I do have a question though, since there are not Matrix fans here ...
• 985[08:37:30] <Diagon> Why is this still a problem? (from 2014) replaced-url
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• 987[08:37:40] <somiaj> kleinerdr: it might just be me, I prefer tech chat, but check out the social channels on the network if that is your interest.
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• 990[08:37:55] <Blockah> ah
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• 992[08:38:23] <Diagon> I tried to do an install with already prepared luks disks and had to go through that rigamarole. For some reason, cryptsetup is not installed, either before or after.
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• 994[08:38:43] <kleinerdr> somiaj: i used to enjoy tech chat WHILE being a part of a social community :)
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• 996[08:38:48] <jelly> Diagon: probably because it's somewhat of an obscure use case and noone's done the work to investigate and fix it
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• 999[08:39:33] <jelly> Diagon: is there a debian bug report?
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• 1001[08:39:52] <jelly> !bts
• 1002[08:39:52] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 1004[08:40:01] <Diagon> Well, that's pretty direct. But here's the thing, it is possible to /create/ luks disks while doing the install, but you can't select cryptsetup as an extra component to install when on that part of the installer menu. How come? That seems straighforward to fix.
• 1005[08:40:11] <Diagon> jelly ^^^^^
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• 1011[08:40:40] <jelly> Diagon: did anyone actually file a bug report for that against the debian-installer package
• 1012[08:40:57] <Diagon> jelly - I'm headed to the web site to see if I can find anything ...
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• 1016[08:41:14] <jelly> probably just check bugs.debian.org/debian-installer
• 1017[08:41:14] <somiaj> Diagon: are you using the standard or expert mode in the installer?
• 1018[08:41:21] <Diagon> expert mode.
• 1019[08:41:49] <Diagon> Definitely does not install cryptsetup /before/ actually partitioning the disk and selecting it for an encrypted partition.
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• 1022[08:42:43] <Diagon> I had to do anna-install before anything else, and then use the terminal to open the container, then going back to rescan the disks.
• 1023[08:42:52] <Diagon> jelly ^^^^^
• 1024[08:43:05] <jelly> oh, you're talking about udeb within d-i
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• 1026[08:43:17] <Diagon> yes.
• 1027[08:43:59] <Diagon> but even then it doesn't do crypttab correctly in the initramfs. You have to apt-install cryptsetup
• 1028[08:44:09] <jelly> you'll want to file a bug report if there's no relevant one already. Developers do not often take questions from here as actionable items
• 1029[08:44:31] <Diagon> I see. The pkg would be "debian-installer"?
• 1030[08:44:45] <jelly> yes. Or file an
• 1031[08:45:00] <jelly> !installation report
• 1032[08:45:00] <dpkg> well, installation report is replaced-url
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• 1034[08:45:33] <Diagon> Ok, I'll do that. Thank, jelly. If I have any issues on that, I'll come back here.
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• 1039[08:46:38] <jelly> cryptsetup not being scheduled for install in target is probably a consequence for no need for it being detected during install so fixing that the right way may fix the in-target issue
• 1040[08:46:46] <jelly> but I'm just guessing
• 1041[08:47:30] <Diagon> Cool.
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• 1044[08:49:43] <rendar> i have removed an internal hdd, and now systemd gives me problems at boot with that hd's ID, why? i have removed the hdd from /etc/fstab
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• 1046[08:50:30] <somiaj> rendar: could it be that grub is also looking for that drive? update-grub might help.
• 1047[08:50:47] <rendar> somiaj: why grub?
• 1048[08:50:59] <rendar> it was a secondary drive
• 1049[08:51:02] <somiaj> though you said systemd, you may want to double check additoinal systemd units (maybe it recalls things)
• 1050[08:51:21] <somiaj> yea, I was thinking 'at boot' and thought grub, I'm a bit tired.
• 1051[08:51:33] <rendar> sorry no, it was systemd journalctl
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• 1053[08:54:10] <somiaj> rendar: ahh figured it out, what was journalctl doing that made it annoyed you removed a drive?
• 1054[08:54:16] <rendar> yes!
• 1055[08:54:33] <rendar> somiaj: nothing i have just booted my maching
• 1056[08:54:40] <rendar> and journalctl started to do controls and stuff
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• 1085[09:07:09] <popnfloss> whats going to happen with firefox 59 esr
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• 1087[09:07:45] <popnfloss> is firefox-esr updated to the latest esr version?
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• 1089[09:08:04] <popnfloss> or will be added to stretch-backports or something
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• 1096[09:11:22] <at0m> ,v firefox-esr
• 1097[09:11:23] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.8.0esr-1; sid: 52.8.0esr-1;
• 1098[09:11:24] <judd> experimental: 60.0esr-1
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• 1105[09:15:34] <themill> !firefox-esr
• 1106[09:15:35] <dpkg> In stable, firefox-esr (Extended Support Release) will be updated to the next release when the old version is no longer supported by Mozilla; this is normally forced by a security update and often breaks many packaged extensions. In testing/unstable firefox-esr is updated after having matured in experimental for a suitable time.
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• 1127[09:21:29] <jelly> huh, so they switched to 60esr instead of 59
• 1128[09:21:59] <popnfloss> yeah i saw that
• 1129[09:22:02] <Haohmaru> is that the version which breaks most of old addons?
• 1130[09:22:12] <popnfloss> i think 52 esr reaches end of support in june
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• 1133[09:24:24] <popnfloss> i was ran fedora and ubuntu a while back and i couldnt tell if it was gnome 3.28 eating up all the resources or if it was firefox 60
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• 1135[09:24:32] <popnfloss> *was running
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• 1137[09:25:12] <popnfloss> they said they fixed the problems with gnome in 3.28.2 but it was slowing down just as bad as ever when i was running it
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• 1139[09:25:37] <popnfloss> stuff like this is why i always end up going back to debian
• 1140[09:26:06] <Haohmaru> lxde ftw
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• 1142[09:26:30] <popnfloss> gnome 3.22 on stretch has been working perfectly for me
• 1143[09:26:43] <michael2> Haohmaru: I think that was the quantum release, maybe 57?
• 1144[09:27:00] <Haohmaru> oh, right
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• 1146[09:27:05] <Haohmaru> :~(
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• 1148[09:27:43] <jelly> going back to debian in such a case is just a temporary measure because you'll get newer gnome when newer debian is out anyway
• 1149[09:27:58] <Haohmaru> i was using a download manager with a resume feature for downloading big files
• 1150[09:28:03] <popnfloss> yeah but that will be several years from now
• 1151[09:28:11] <Haohmaru> now this is no longer available for the new fiahfoks
• 1152[09:28:18] <popnfloss> and it will be an extensively tested version of gnome
• 1153[09:28:36] <popnfloss> that will hopefully not be a buggy pile of garbage
• 1154[09:28:48] <jelly> you said "gnome"
• 1155[09:28:54] <jelly> so...
• 1156[09:28:57] * jelly hides
• 1157[09:30:03] <Haohmaru> was it gnome that was designed according to apple's feng shui?
• 1158[09:30:07] <popnfloss> ive honestly found plasma and cinnamon to be buggier than gnome is
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• 1161[09:31:08] <jelly> yeah, I'm using a subset of plasma functionality and not touching anything else
• 1162[09:31:13] <popnfloss> budgie might be a good replacement when it becomes more mature
• 1163[09:31:44] <popnfloss> it would probably be good to add it to the list of DEs in the debian installer for the next stable release
• 1164[09:31:59] <michael2> thats why we still use unix cli tools. the GUI's have too much churn
• 1165[09:32:05] <jelly> chromeos will be able to run GNU/Linux apps soon and then you'll have a stable linux desktop
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• 1184[09:42:51] <bug> mate-core plus whatever utilities you like is pretty good imo.
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• 1207[09:55:25] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why might xterm stop deleting characters on backspace, just scrolling back the cursor (but in the memory actually deleting them, the command that is run is different than shown), I'm not aware of any update that was run lately so I have no idea why it started doing this
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• 1214[09:58:55] <juhop> maybe the terminal needs to be 'reset'
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• 1224[10:03:39] <ghormoon> this happens often, even with new xterms (not not all of them, wtf?0
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• 1226[10:04:44] <juhop> ghormoon: does 'reset' command fix the issue?
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• 1229[10:08:36] <jim> hi, if the apache2 web server doesn't write to any logs when it starts up (installed on debian of course) what guess would you make about what the problem is and/or where to go next?
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• 1231[10:09:58] <colo-work> jim, check what files the master process has opened: ls -l /proc/$(< /var/run/apache2.pid)/fd/
• 1232[10:10:04] <babilen> jim: How did you check if it has written to any logs?
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• 1234[10:10:19] <babilen> Also: Which version of Debian is this?
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• 1236[10:10:41] <colo-work> you may need this instead: ls -l /proc/$(< /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid)/fd/
• 1237[10:10:44] <jim> ls -l /var/log/apache2 --sort=time
• 1238[10:10:56] <colo-work> (apache2's PID file location seems to have changed between wheezy and jessie+)
• 1239[10:11:01] <jim> last log was written may 9th
• 1240[10:11:29] <jim> it's a stretch we're upgrading from wheezy
• 1241[10:11:39] <babilen> jim: What does "journalctl -u apache2" give you?
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• 1243[10:12:05] <babilen> and "systemctl status apache2.service"
• 1244[10:12:46] <rudi_s> jim: Bypassing jessie?
• 1245[10:12:47] <jim> babilen, I'm in US, he's in tel aviv, and he has to go to prepare a hacker jamboree of some kind
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• 1247[10:12:57] <jim> no of course not
• 1248[10:13:01] <rudi_s> Ah, good ;-)
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• 1251[10:13:29] <jim> 7-7latest, 7latest-8, 8-9
• 1252[10:13:41] <babilen> jim: Sorry, I don't quite think that the output of "journalctl -u apache2" or "systemctl status apache2.service" is "babilen, I'm in US, he's in tel aviv, and he has to go to prepare a hacker jamboree of some kind" ;)
• 1253[10:13:58] <babilen> Nor do I really understand how that relates to anything we've discussed so far
• 1254[10:14:18] <jim> babilen, oh :) interpreting: he had to go :)
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• 1256[10:14:49] <babilen> 'he' ?
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• 1259[10:15:36] <jim> can't get that output right now, and, I appreciate the direction you're suggesting... he won't be coming up for air until friday or saturday
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• 1261[10:16:16] <babilen> The server?
• 1262[10:16:26] <jim> is there a way to run the web server "normally" except foreground and output logs to terminal?
• 1263[10:16:47] <babilen> So you do not have access to the box we're debugging?
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• 1266[10:17:26] <jim> no, and, for that reason I'm just asking for one step further
• 1267[10:18:06] <jim> I think maybe the server is trying to start, but it doesn't succeed
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• 1269[10:18:22] <babilen> I would suggest to come back once you have access to that box - it is impossible to address issues in a timely manner if you can't provide factual information and run commands
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• 1271[10:19:07] <babilen> I still really don't understand how a server can prepare for a hacker jamboree of some kind, but you might have special software
• 1272[10:19:42] <jim> yeah I realize that... and, it would be good to be armed with a few things to do
• 1273[10:19:46] <colo-work> [10:11:29] <jim> it's a stretch we're upgrading from wheezy - you are aware of the _extensive_ changes the upgrade from apache httpd 2.2 to 2.4 will incur, right?
• 1274[10:20:28] <jim> no I'm not
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• 1276[10:21:03] <babilen> You might want to read up on that, both Debian's release notes and Apache have excellent documentation that cover the changes and adaptations needed when migrating from 2.2 to 2.4
• 1277[10:21:05] <at0m> replaced-url
• 1278[10:21:26] <at0m> prepare for a thorough config file change
• 1279[10:21:51] <jim> thanks, that will be handy
• 1280[10:21:51] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 1282[10:22:04] <babilen> (and I'd recommend to read the release notes when upgrading)
• 1283[10:22:47] <babilen> I haven't compared DO's notes on this, but I'd work with authoritative documentation and use Debian's and Apache's in this case
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• 1286[10:24:08] <jim> ok, all good suggestions... I'll be on that in a couple days (working on a different project first)
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• 1295[10:31:51] <termop> what can i do if my terminal doesn't open up?
• 1296[10:32:12] <termop> i already restarted the pc but it still doesn't work+
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• 1329[10:56:33] <hid3> Hello everyone. I am in need for USB-to-RS232 converter adapter for my Linux box. Which chip should I look for? I have heard that CH340G are not compatible with Linux. Any suggestions?
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• 1334[10:59:11] <superlinux> hello. I use debian 9.x, and I want to download a debian package from Nvidia's website, and the website tells me to choose either ubuntu 16 or unbuntu 17. which is the nearest to my debian?
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• 1339[11:02:27] <maccampus> Whats unbuntu ?
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• 1343[11:03:40] <superlinux> ubuntu the distro, maccampus
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• 1345[11:04:11] <superlinux> maccampus, i made a typo sorry.
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• 1348[11:04:43] <hid3> Ubuntu is an ancient African word for "I dunno how to configure Debian"
• 1349[11:05:40] <jelly> !slap hid3
• 1350[11:05:40] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across hid3's face
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• 1352[11:06:07] <hid3> *ouch*
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• 1356[11:07:26] <Haohmaru> wow, did someone get slapped? i heard it over accross 4 channels
• 1357[11:07:49] <hid3> (facepalm)
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• 1359[11:07:50] <jelly> jim: it is not a greatest idea to be an irc proxy for someone else's issues
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• 1364[11:09:17] <Logg> hid3, I use a trendnet branded usb to serial adapter. it works fine.
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• 1366[11:09:48] <hid3> any ideas what chip is inside? Which linux driver does it use?
• 1367[11:09:53] <hid3> I guess maybe PL2303....
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• 1375[11:11:05] <Logg> hid3, I've heard to stay away from FTDI b/c they purposely bricked counterfeit chips. It's not easy to take apart to look inside, but LSUSB says "Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port"
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• 1377[11:12:02] <jelly> hid3: which voltage? actual RS232 levels? A cheap pl2303hx clone with LVTTL levels works for me to connect to some arm boards
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• 1379[11:13:00] <Haohmaru> afaik the FTDI bricked stuff is only with the windows driver
• 1380[11:13:39] <Logg> yeah, and a patch was released for the linux kernel that could recover them Haohmaru. but I don't like them
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• 1393[11:21:13] <Rico> hi
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• 1398[11:23:26] <Rico> can anyone tell me what this mean ?
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• 1400[11:23:28] <Rico> CPU: 0 PID: 16326 Comm: kworker/0:1 Not tainted 3.16.0-5-amd64 #1 Debian 3
• 1401[11:23:28] <Rico> .16.51-3+deb8u1
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• 1405[11:24:51] <jelly> Rico: there is important context before and after that, can you pastebin the whole line and 10 lines before and 50 lines after
• 1406[11:24:54] <jelly> !paste
• 1407[11:24:54] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1409[11:25:28] <jelly> it doesn't mean anything on its own, except perhaps "you're running an outdated Debian 8 kernel"
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• 1412[11:25:58] <Rico> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1415[11:26:17] <Rico> jelly: got the same problem on an up-to-date debian 9
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• 1418[11:27:55] <somiaj> Can't seem to get my regex correct, why isn't (foo)([^-].*)$ working, I want it to match foo* but not match foo-*
• 1419[11:28:04] <somiaj> it works fine if I remove [^-]
• 1420[11:28:14] <jelly> Rico: what kind of virtualization is this, KVM?
• 1421[11:28:16] <somiaj> (but then it matches foo-* which I don't want)
• 1422[11:28:48] <jelly> somiaj: should it match just "foo"?
• 1423[11:29:01] <somiaj> jelly: yes
• 1424[11:29:26] <Rico> jelly: yes it's kvm (proxmox / qemu)
• 1425[11:29:47] <CissWit> somiaj: foo([^-].*)?
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• 1427[11:30:39] <CissWit> well
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• 1430[11:31:27] <jelly> then you need PCRE (or python or similar RE) that knows negative lookahead, or have two options for foo$ and foo[^-].*$
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• 1432[11:32:00] <somiaj> CissWit: nope, making it optional didn't seem to work, now it matches foo-
• 1433[11:32:00] <CissWit> i just understood the question "^^
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• 1436[11:32:22] <somiaj> jelly: ahh so someting apache just can't do?
• 1437[11:32:27] <somiaj> (as a single rule)
• 1438[11:32:39] <jelly> somiaj: I have no idea what apache can do. Doesn't it use pcre?
• 1439[11:33:03] <somiaj> I don't know the details well enough, I just have been beating my head against this for a while now.
• 1440[11:33:41] <CissWit> somiaj: /^foo([^-].*)?$/ this should work
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• 1443[11:34:54] <Rico> jelly: any tip ?
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• 1445[11:35:03] <somiaj> CissWit: the rewrite condition was matching foo- with that in my tests, so though it redirected things I want, it also hit things I dind't.
• 1446[11:35:25] <jelly> or just /^foo($|[^-].*$)/
• 1447[11:35:26] <somiaj> note foo is really (foo1|foo2|foo3|foo4) if that matters
• 1448[11:35:30] <jelly> Rico: nope, sorry
• 1449[11:35:50] <jelly> I have 0 experience with kvm
• 1450[11:36:49] <CissWit> somiaj: my regexp can't match "foo-"
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• 1453[11:38:23] <somiaj> CissWit: hmm, well my test with ([^-].*)? didn't work, though jelly's suggestion did, nice idea on using the or there.
• 1454[11:39:02] <CissWit> somiaj: did you add the $ ?
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• 1456[11:39:16] <somiaj> CissWit: yea, I could try again
• 1457[11:39:59] <ax> Hi. How to open port# when it in nmap is "filterd" ?
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• 1459[11:40:39] <somiaj> CissWit: hmm, now it is working, maybe I didn't type it correctly.
• 1460[11:40:47] <somiaj> CissWit: thanks
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• 1463[11:42:03] <CissWit> ax: it's hard to tell, there are tons a reason a port could be marked as "filtered" in nmap
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• 1466[11:42:24] <CissWit> ax: the most probable cause is a firewall rule dropping the packet, so change your firewall rules
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• 1471[11:44:27] <VLetrmx> hello
• 1472[11:44:39] <VLetrmx> anyone know why debhelper isn't installing my systemd tiemr unit
• 1473[11:44:40] <VLetrmx> ?
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• 1475[11:45:43] <ax> thanks, maybe i should change my firewall. how do i do it?
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• 1477[11:47:23] <petn-randall> VLetrmx: What is the context? Are you building your own packages?
• 1478[11:47:30] <VLetrmx> yes
• 1479[11:48:13] <petn-randall> VLetrmx: Can you provide details how you're trying to enable it?
• 1480[11:48:17] <VLetrmx> hrm
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• 1482[11:48:37] <VLetrmx> I have manually placed debian/*.{service,timer} files in place
• 1483[11:48:45] <ws2k3> if i install syslog-ng from the repository is there java support compiled into syslog-ng?
• 1484[11:48:58] <VLetrmx> then in debian/rules, I have: %: dh $@ --with python3,systemd --buildsystem=pybuild
• 1485[11:49:18] <VLetrmx> my service file end up in the resultant deb
• 1486[11:49:21] <VLetrmx> but the timer file is not there
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• 1489[11:49:54] <AndreasLutro> timers don't get installed by default, you need to add them in your .install file
• 1490[11:50:31] <petn-randall> VLetrmx: replaced-url
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• 1500[11:55:28] <jeekl> Heya, I'm trying to download a package, and all it's recursive dependencies, for offline installation, but i'm having a hard time getting all dependencies, including virtual packages. I'm doing a for pkg in $pkgs ; do aptitude download $pkg $(apt-cache depends "$pkg" | grep Depends | awk -F ': ' '{print $NF}' | tr -d '<>'| xargs); done now, but also tried with apt-rdepends.
• 1501[11:55:31] <VLetrmx> petn-randall, nice thanks
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• 1504[11:55:49] <jeekl> none of those approaches work for virtual packages. anyone have a better idea?
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• 1518[12:00:02] <petn-randall> !apt-offline
• 1519[12:00:02] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
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• 1523[12:00:18] <petn-randall> jeekl: ^^^ This might be a better approach, depending on what you're actually trying to do.
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• 1532[12:06:53] <ws2k3> syslog-ng-mod-kafka what is that package exacly? python kafka driver for syslog-ng? or java driver?
• 1533[12:07:11] <jeekl> petn-randall: I would like to avoid dowloading every package, if possible. i'm doing this in the ci build, where the debs for a few applications will be included in an iso, and then installed when the iso boots.
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• 1535[12:07:44] <jeekl> petn-randall: But that approach will work and unblock me, i'll try and see how slow it would be, thanks. Other suggestions are also welcome :-)
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• 1572[12:21:53] <Guest35855> I just installed debian on a laptop with broken wifi but I plugged in a dongle and it doesn't register so how do I get it to pick up the dongle?
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• 1575[12:22:41] <petn-randall> jeekl: Why not just install them at runtime?
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• 1578[12:23:16] <hid3> Logg, jelly: thanks. I will be ordering something PL2303 based and be done with that.
• 1579[12:23:22] <petn-randall> Guest35855: Is it usb? Then you can check the device id with 'lsusb'. You likely need firmware for it to work.
• 1580[12:25:29] <Guest35855> petn-randall: lsusb registers it ^_^ but how do I get firmware without a connection?
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• 1582[12:26:41] <at0m> how are you here without connection?
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• 1584[12:26:52] <Guest35855> another computer
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• 1586[12:27:22] <jeekl> petn-randall: Most installations lack access to the internet :-/
• 1587[12:27:27] <at0m> you can find out what device it is, then what firmware, then dl the firmware to your current device then move it over
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• 1589[12:27:50] <at0m> jeekl: for wireless that can indeed be annoying. hence, wired installation
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• 1591[12:28:11] <at0m> jeekl: there's also non-free installation cd's that do pack the firmware
• 1592[12:28:17] <at0m> cd's/iso's
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• 1594[12:29:36] <Guest35855> should I try reinstall with this? replaced-url
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• 1596[12:29:53] <petn-randall> jeekl: It's probably easier to just mount all the ISOs from the point release into the VM, and make apt download the packages from there.
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• 1598[12:30:13] <petn-randall> Guest35855: Do you have an Ethernet connection?
• 1599[12:30:15] <jeekl> at0m: i think you misunderstand, this is a custom iso based on jessie that we build and ship to locations that, due to "security" refuse internet access. We need to ship some software as debs to go along with the iso installer shipped to these locations.
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• 1601[12:30:31] <Guest35855> petn-randall: no
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• 1603[12:30:53] <at0m> jeekl: ah, i see
• 1604[12:31:39] <petn-randall> Guest35855: Then you can try reinstalling with the firmware installer, assuming the device is supported.
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• 1610[12:35:30] <Guest35855> is there a way to just download the files and transfer by a usb and apt-get install them instead?
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• 1615[12:39:21] <jim> there's something called apt-zip
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• 1623[12:43:23] <jim> that allows you to do pretty much all that you said... you run it from the machine without net but with apt-zip installed... the result is some kind of instructions of what to download and add to a zip archive... you run it on a machine that -does- have net, this results in a zip file, you transfer this file using what you have (such as usb and usb sticks and/or whatever else is needed), then apt-zip on the original machine can process the zip
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• 1627[12:43:51] <jim> I haven't done it before, so I don't know the exact details
• 1628[12:44:05] <Myrkur> Hey everyone
• 1629[12:44:21] <Myrkur> Will I be able to enable tls 1.0 on debian squeeze ?
• 1630[12:44:27] <Myrkur> 1.1*
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• 1632[12:45:53] <Guest35855> thank you jim
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• 1637[12:50:02] <petn-randall> Myrkur: Maybe? squeeze isn't relevant though since its security support ran out quite a while ago.
• 1638[12:50:05] <petn-randall> !squeeze-lts
• 1639[12:50:05] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 1640[12:50:12] <petn-randall> !squeeze
• 1641[12:50:12] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06: replaced-url
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• 1706[13:25:05] <jelly> Myrkur: TLS 1.0 yes, mothing better tho
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• 1712[13:29:16] <jelly> petn-randall: a question can be about an old release but sadly there's no better place (on freenode) to ask about old debian releases
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• 1730[13:47:29] <astephanh> Hi. if i ssh into some debian server (eg. wheezy) i get the last login and kernel version) but most newer like jessie only display lastlogin. i know, that i can configure lastlogin in sshd_config. but where would i activate kernel-version? i always delete /etc/motd on any system
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• 1748[14:01:41] <r4co0n> astephanh, I am guessing, but could it be old kernel packages added the version manually to /etc/issue.net (and probably /etc/issue)? Maybe you can replicate this behaviour.
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• 1754[14:03:16] <r4co0n> astephanh, sorry for the noise, I just remembered I have an old system I can look at. My guess was wrong.
• 1755[14:03:32] <astephanh> r4co0n, issue.net ist deactivated by sshd as far as i remember.
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• 1757[14:04:08] <astephanh> its kinda hard to find where it comes from :)
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• 1761[14:05:08] <r4co0n> astephanh, it's a "uname -a" call, probably by SSH?
• 1762[14:05:33] <petn-randall> jelly: Sure, but if you're running an antique release the supported TLS version is the least of your problems.
• 1763[14:06:08] <astephanh> yeah i know :) but iwas lts
• 1764[14:06:16] <astephanh> and iÄm migrating
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• 1767[14:09:00] <astephanh> ah. its in /etc/pam.d/ssh
• 1768[14:09:09] <astephanh> motd=/run/motd.dynamic
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• 1770[14:09:27] <astephanh> and jessie don't has the file
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• 1781[14:13:39] <jelly> petn-randall: when it's antique enough it gains in value!
• 1782[14:14:08] <jelly> petn-randall: still gets a C result from ssllabs :-)
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• 1785[14:14:12] <astephanh> oh, for all whoi wonder as myself: replaced-url
• 1786[14:14:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1788[14:15:03] <jelly> I'm not keen on adding crap to PAM just to add basically cosmetic stuff on login
• 1789[14:15:31] <astephanh> yeah, i just liked the information.
• 1790[14:16:04] <jelly> yeah, bug reports often document workarounds
• 1791[14:16:06] <astephanh> instead of lastlogin :)
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• 1793[14:17:04] <jelly> did you see ubuntu's cosmetic crap, it tells you how many patches are unapplied and some other interesting stuff
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• 1795[14:17:55] <astephanh> only on desktop. i don't use ubuntu on servers
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• 1797[14:18:20] <jelly> me neither, I saw it on... er, someone else's server.
• 1798[14:18:23] <jelly> right.
• 1799[14:18:36] <petn-randall> On a tmux replay!
• 1800[14:18:49] <astephanh> maybe i extend the bash PS1.
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• 1803[14:19:17] <astephanh> oh, i _never_ used tmux replay in my life :) i use tmux all the time ...
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• 1809[14:22:33] <dfcnvt> I just recently installed Debian 9...and the system keep freezing due to high load of performance.
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• 1811[14:23:24] <dfcnvt> Whenever I open my google-chrome (custom-install) -- in a few minutes, it'll halt the whole system. I'm able to move my mouse but everything freezed.
• 1812[14:23:31] <astephanh> dfcnvt, did you tried netconsole? i had success some days ago with a ryzen system freeezing
• 1813[14:23:53] <dfcnvt> netconsole? I'll research/check it out.
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• 1815[14:24:35] <astephanh> its preety cool
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• 1818[14:25:18] <petn-randall> dfcnvt: What kind of system is it? Does it also freeze on other programs?
• 1819[14:26:25] <dfcnvt> What specs do you need? It's an AMD64 system, Debian 9 (Strench)...And yes, all program freeze.
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• 1821[14:26:34] <dfcnvt> 8 core cpu.
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• 1823[14:26:57] <dfcnvt> "apt-cache search netconsole" -- doesn't exist.
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• 1825[14:27:20] <astephanh> its a kernel modul
• 1826[14:27:23] <colo-work> netconsole is a kernel matter
• 1827[14:27:23] <r4co0n> dfcnvt, it's a kernel module allowing for network logging
• 1828[14:27:46] <astephanh> replaced-url
• 1829[14:28:13] <petn-randall> dfcnvt: What CPU release is it? Can you still switch to the console with ctrl + alt + F1 to F5?
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• 1831[14:28:55] <dfcnvt> When it freeze, I was not able to make switch to TTY1 (F1 to F6) --- if not freeze, I am able to do so.
• 1832[14:29:03] <petn-randall> If the mouse still moves fine, this sound more like a display/userspace issue, and that won't show up in the dmesg output.
• 1833[14:29:15] <dfcnvt> CPU release? how can I pull that info for you? uname -a?
• 1834[14:29:15] <petn-randall> Hmm, I see.
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• 1836[14:29:36] <petn-randall> dfcnvt: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
• 1837[14:30:24] <colo-work> we use this script to set up netconsole for all our machines: replaced-url
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• 1839[14:30:30] <dfcnvt> petn-randall: output results: replaced-url
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• 1841[14:31:44] <dfcnvt> Forgive me guys -- but netconsole seem to do with networking -- which has nothing to do with my current issue?
• 1842[14:31:51] <mr_lou> I have a problem with some Windows 10 computers at work, not finding a samba share on a Debian computer. Other Win10 machines has no problem, so obviously a problem with Win10 on these specific machines. But I just can't figure out what. Have tried everything I feel. Anyone have any ideas?
• 1843[14:32:02] <astephanh> colo-work, do you use rsyslog as reciever?
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• 1845[14:32:15] <dfcnvt> mr_lou: maybe it's due to browser's use?
• 1846[14:32:20] <dfcnvt> (just a wild guess)
• 1847[14:32:24] <colo-work> astephanh, yes
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• 1849[14:32:59] <petn-randall> mr_lou: IIRC Windows 10 disabled older SMB protocols, and they're not supported in the samba tools.
• 1850[14:33:03] <dfcnvt> mr_lou: I take it back -- forget what I said.
• 1851[14:33:13] <astephanh> its cool. i need to think about it, because i have allready a central syslog
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• 1858[14:34:25] <dfcnvt> petn-randall: Any thoughts? That's the results as seen: replaced-url
• 1859[14:34:54] <dfcnvt> Just an AMD, 8 core processor.
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• 1861[14:35:22] <petn-randall> dfcnvt: Have you checked the logs in /var/log/kern.log yet?
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• 1864[14:36:50] <mr_lou> petn-randall, Oh... but other Win10 machines has no problem.
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• 1867[14:37:10] <dfcnvt> petn-randall: yes and no -- I'm not good with finding problem by reading the log. But I ran 'sensors', and some of those caused an interfere to kernel or whatnot. And it's just add more information to kern.log.
• 1868[14:37:18] <colo-work> astephanh, I can highly recommend it ;)
• 1869[14:37:32] <dfcnvt> So, that's a bit of a mess. I'm not able to narrow down to specific time and date of crash/freeze.
• 1870[14:37:33] <colo-work> we also feed the netconsole input into ELK
• 1871[14:37:33] <astephanh> dfcnvt, i started debugging by disabling any c-states, powermanagement, overclocking and so on. check the temperatur overheating leads to freezes
• 1872[14:37:39] <petn-randall> mr_lou: Other Windows 10 machines have no problem accessing other Windows 10 machines?
• 1873[14:37:42] <colo-work> very convenient if problems arise
• 1874[14:38:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> Hi
• 1875[14:38:23] <mr_lou> petn-randall, No. It's a samba share on a Debian Linux PC - can be accessed fine by some Win10 machines, but not by these newly reformatted reinstalled machines. So new Win10 installs aren't working.
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• 1884[14:41:05] <r4co0n> mr_lou, are the newly installed machines completely up-to-date, and the working ones too?
• 1885[14:41:14] <astephanh> colo-work, at most cases i can read the output on the ipmi serial console
• 1886[14:41:42] <colo-work> IPMI is a different can of worms with its own problems/failure modes, in my experience
• 1887[14:41:47] <petn-randall> mr_lou: It might be related to the new rollout on Windows 10? I don't know much about it.
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• 1891[14:43:13] <astephanh> colo-work, the only thing i encounterd, is that sometimes its impossible to reboot. but i fixed that with ip powerswitches.
• 1892[14:44:39] <mr_lou> r4co0n, Hmm.... the newly ones are. And now that you say it, it does seem like a recent update on one of the other machines also stopped the share from being accessible on this PC...
• 1893[14:44:46] <mr_lou> Thanks r4co0n and petn-randall
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• 1899[14:48:52] <petn-randall> mr_lou: AFAIK the new release will be slowly rolled out. Expect the other machines to stop working with time. Of course you can personally control updates if you buy the Enterprise™ version. Good luck!
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• 1923[14:55:27] <Myrkur> :q
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• 1937[14:59:46] <mr_lou> petn-randall, The problem here is that it's not standard Debian. It's a version of Debian used by Caldera, for their big format printer machines. We have no control. I can't just update, or install other packages. :-/
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• 1940[15:00:25] <fmneto> Does Caldera still exist?
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• 1948[15:02:00] <burbka> Hello
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• 1950[15:02:07] <burbka> I've just installed debian with lxde
• 1951[15:02:13] <fmneto> Congrats
• 1952[15:02:17] <burbka> but I'm having a problem when I try to add a foreign repo
• 1953[15:02:23] <petn-randall> mr_lou: I'm not talking about Debian, I'm talking about Windows 10.
• 1954[15:02:31] <burbka> via add-apt-repository
• 1955[15:02:36] <burbka> I always get gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
• 1956[15:02:40] <burbka> How can I solve this?
• 1957[15:02:55] <fmneto> You need to find the public GPG key for the repository you're adding.
• 1958[15:02:59] <petn-randall> burbka: What repo are you trying to add?
• 1959[15:03:14] <burbka> petn-randall: webupd
• 1960[15:03:23] <burbka> fmneto: shouldn't be automatic?
• 1961[15:03:34] <fmneto> burbka, not really
• 1962[15:03:40] <mr_lou> petn-randall, Oh... ah... right.
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• 1964[15:04:19] <fmneto> At least, not if APT doesn't know where to look
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• 1966[15:04:55] <burbka> c.c
• 1967[15:05:06] <r4co0n> mr_lou, you could create a 'middle-man' between your printer and your PCs, where you can control the software used for talking to both ends freely.
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• 1969[15:05:08] <burbka> is there somehow to disable apt secure jeez?
• 1970[15:05:10] <fmneto> As is probably the case with webupd8
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• 1972[15:05:40] <burbka> I don't want to struggle everytime I have to add some repo that doesn't provide a GPG quick "recognization"
• 1973[15:05:44] <petn-randall> burbka: That is from Ubuntu and not compatible with Debian.
• 1974[15:05:46] <fmneto> Probably there's a way, but to be honest I don't think you should, burbka
• 1975[15:05:49] <petn-randall> !dontbreakdebian
• 1976[15:05:50] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 1977[15:05:52] <r4co0n> mr_lou, it would expose a share that windows can mount and keep it in sync with what the printer has...
• 1978[15:06:06] <burbka> petn-randall: there's some package debianized
• 1979[15:06:19] <petn-randall> burbka: ... for Ubuntu.
• 1980[15:06:30] <burbka> I just need a couple of things like slingcold
• 1981[15:06:34] <fmneto> burbka what exactly are you trying to install anyway?
• 1982[15:06:38] <burbka> since a dpkg -i doesn't seem to work with the binary
• 1983[15:07:06] <burbka> fmneto: slingshot, dockbarx
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• 1985[15:07:10] <burbka> *slingcold
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• 1989[15:08:01] <petn-randall> burbka: Those are all packages packaged for Ubuntu. If they work on Debian, it's only a coincidence. But more likely than not it would break your system.
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• 1992[15:09:25] <fmneto> slingshot seems to be available from Debian repos
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• 2010[15:17:54] <fmneto> burbka,
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• 2013[15:18:15] <burbka> fmneto ?
• 2014[15:18:22] <fmneto> Sorry, mistype
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• 2098[16:01:23] <Slashman> hello, I'm looking for an rsync option that stops when the destination has a file with the same name but different, does that exists?
• 2099[16:02:04] <Slashman> I know "--ignore-existing", but I would like to know when that happen and stop immediately
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• 2120[16:12:06] <jelly> Slashman: even if other files could be transferred? Maybe do a --dry-run first and detect the situation
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• 2123[16:13:03] <Slashman> jelly: I would like to automate that
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• 2127[16:14:49] <Slashman> I'm pulling databases dumps from several different servers into a single, unified directory, theoretically every dumps have a unique name, but I saw some exception, in this case, I don't want to override the first dump with an other one
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• 2130[16:15:46] <jelly> can you not lump them into a single dir?
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• 2135[16:16:43] <Slashman> I could, but it's much more convenient if they are: if a database was on server A and then moved to server B, looking for it will be easier if every archived dumps are in the same folder
• 2136[16:17:14] <jelly> make a hardlink or symlink farm afterwards?
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• 2138[16:17:45] <Slashman> I'm leaning toward this: run the script a first time (15 rsync), then rerun it with dry-run or something and look for changes, if there are any, I'll send some kind of alert
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• 2142[16:18:17] <colo-work> you're _never_ overwriting existing files, but you use rsync for the transfer?
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• 2144[16:18:42] <jelly> colo-work: rsync is the best remote cp
• 2145[16:18:57] <colo-work> yeah I know, I was just confirming my impression/understanding :)
• 2146[16:19:14] <Slashman> jelly: that could work too, but I'll have the same issue with the links: I'll have to detect when there are different possible target for the symlink and raise an alert when that's the case :p
• 2147[16:19:46] <jelly> yes, but perhaps output of ln -i is easier for you to parse than output of rsync
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• 2150[16:22:05] <Slashman> maybe, I'll think about that, thanks for your idea
• 2151[16:22:20] <jelly> mkdir a b; touch a/1 a/3 b/2 b/3; find a b -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 ln
• 2152[16:22:29] <jelly> ln: failed to create hard link './3': File exists
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• 2158[16:24:17] <jelly> and xargs returns with status 123
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• 2161[16:25:26] <Kiril> Hello,
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• 2163[16:25:41] <Kiril> What was the way to disable unused interfaces ?
• 2164[16:25:47] <Slashman> jelly: rsync option "--backup" may be what I want
• 2165[16:25:56] <Slashman> "make backups (see --suffix & --backup-dir)"
• 2166[16:26:10] <Kiril> For example I have bond and using eno1 and eno2 and eno3 and eno4 are not used.
• 2167[16:26:11] <Slashman> I can backup existing file with a suffix and look for it afterward
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• 2170[16:28:11] <AlexPortable> When using mount bind should I supply the own of the folder for the permissions to work righT?
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• 2185[16:32:49] <jelly> AlexPortable: bind mount retains ownership and permissions of the source object (directory or file)
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• 2189[16:34:23] <jelly> AlexPortable: you can make it read-only instead, and that's pretty much all the change you can do. read "man 8 mount", search for "Bind mounts"
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• 2207[16:47:24] <AlexPortable> well i can't get to write / read in the mounted folder
• 2208[16:47:33] <AlexPortable> even though the folder is chmodded 777
• 2209[16:47:53] <Tenkawa> AlexPortable: get what to write there
• 2210[16:47:54] <Tenkawa> ?
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• 2212[16:48:15] <Tenkawa> catching up
• 2213[16:48:22] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Don't forget to mention that you're using the the sftp subsystem in sshd, chrooted, and also provide the config with it.
• 2214[16:48:32] <jelly> AlexPortable: what does ls -ld /path/to/bind/mount say
• 2215[16:48:33] <AlexPortable> "When using mount bind should I supply the own of the folder for the permissions to work right?"
• 2216[16:48:38] <jelly> petn-randall: fuck what
• 2217[16:48:40] <AlexPortable> eh yes, that also, sftp subsystem, chrooted
• 2218[16:48:54] <petn-randall> jelly: Yes, we had the same little dance yesterday.
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• 2220[16:49:06] <petn-randall> Alex likes to omit details. :)
• 2221[16:49:07] <JYPDWhite> Hi all, I have a Debian stretch machine. Where I can SSH to with putty (latest version) ENcoding in Putty is set to UTF-8. I can type german umlauts into the console and they appear correct. I also can "touch" new files with german umlauts. But when I do a "ls" in a folder with existing files all the umlauts are shown as "?". Has anyone an idea whats going wrong?
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• 2223[16:49:31] <dracc> How do I use pkexec in the current PWD target? default executes in `/root`
• 2224[16:49:34] <petn-randall> JYPDWhite: It might be that they're encoded in latin1.
• 2225[16:49:59] <JYPDWhite> the filename?
• 2226[16:50:14] <petn-randall> JYPDWhite: Yes, that would be my first guess.
• 2227[16:50:19] <JYPDWhite> I copied the file from an other machine via ftp.
• 2228[16:50:20] <jelly> JYPDWhite: this is normal actually. You need to tell your shell it is okay to display certain 8bit characters, in other words, set the locale environment variables
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• 2231[16:51:47] <jelly> JYPDWhite: does "locale" command say everything is set to "de_DE.UTF-8" or some other locale name ending in .UTF-8
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• 2238[16:55:33] <jelly> or something not .UTF-8
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• 2242[16:56:45] <jelly> if you copied the file from someplace else, and if the ftp client is sane, then the filename will retain the same bytes. But encoding used on source and destination system might be different
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• 2248[17:02:51] <JYPDWhite> When I connect to the server via WinSCP then the filenames are shown correctly. So its a little bit weird for me ;-)
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• 2251[17:03:56] <jelly> only winscp knows how winscp interprets bytes
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• 2253[17:04:01] <JYPDWhite> ;-)
• 2254[17:04:17] <jelly> it might be using windows-1252 by default for all we know
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• 2256[17:04:33] <jelly> and those... would be broken on linux, yes
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• 2260[17:05:02] <JYPDWhite> locale is showing all is set to "de_DE.UTF-8" excepts: LANGUAGE and LC_ALL they are empty
• 2261[17:05:05] <jelly> tell winscp to use UTF-8 and see what happens with old uploaded files and newly uploaded ones
• 2262[17:05:15] <jelly> JYPDWhite: that's sane
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• 2266[17:06:40] <JYPDWhite> Ok, when I force the character encoding in WInSCP to UTF8 the filenames are broken too
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• 2274[17:08:24] <JYPDWhite> So is there a way to rename the file to the correct new name? If initially copied the files via rsync from an ftp server which is mounted via curlftpfs
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• 2278[17:09:56] <jelly> it depends, we still don't know whether the bytes are wrong or whether your ls and shell are simply not showing them correctly
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• 2282[17:11:35] <jelly> JYPDWhite: can you tab-complete a filename right now? Do an echo BeginningofaFileName<TAB> | iconv -f latin1 -t utf-8 ... and see if that conversion fixes the string
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• 2289[17:13:03] <jelly> if it does you have a way to rename
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• 2291[17:13:26] <JYPDWhite> I cant't autcomplete the filenames with tab
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• 2293[17:14:07] <JYPDWhite> ahh ok sry. Yes I can tab complete a filename. ...
• 2294[17:14:37] <jelly> ignore the fact the completion has strange results in your command line.
• 2295[17:14:51] <JYPDWhite> In the autcompletion the ? turns into an gibberish
• 2296[17:14:52] <JYPDWhite> ok
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• 2299[17:15:14] <jelly> good.
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• 2301[17:15:56] <JYPDWhite> yes the iconv commands shows the filename correctly
• 2302[17:16:29] <jelly> for each file name, convert the original name to fixed using iconv, then rename it
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• 2308[17:19:14] <jelly> for orig in *; do new=$(echo "$orig"|iconv -f latin1 -t utf-8); if [ "x$orig" -ne "x$new" ]; then echo mv "$orig" "$new"; fi
• 2309[17:19:19] <jelly> (untested)
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• 2314[17:20:13] <jelly> JYPDWhite: (but probably safe to run, as it only shows commands doing mv gibberish nicename; if they look sane, remove the last echo)
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• 2319[17:20:52] <jelly> oh, sh
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• 2321[17:21:26] <jelly> JYPDWhite: use != instead of -ne test
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• 2327[17:23:01] <JYPDWhite> thx for your help jelly. But I also figured out the correct encoding settings for curlftpfs
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• 2329[17:24:00] <JYPDWhite> with -o utf8,codepage=latin1 the filenames are shown correctly in the mounted ftp directory. So I can now restart the transfer and the files propably with correct filenames ;-)
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• 2336[17:25:15] <Logg> Is there a tool to display cylinder, head, sector information? it used to be in fdisk, but apparently the functionality was removed in version 2.25
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• 2342[17:26:14] <jelly> Logg: curious why do you need it, all the disks lie about it anyway
• 2343[17:26:21] <tw> logg: disk geometry does not make sense anymore. The only thing you should worry about is sector size.
• 2344[17:26:40] <Logg> It's for setting up disk geometry of a CF card in 486 bios
• 2345[17:26:58] <jelly> how large is it?
• 2346[17:27:02] <Logg> 192 MB
• 2347[17:27:07] <JYPDWhite> jelly: your commandline works only the "done" was msising in the end. THanks for your support
• 2348[17:27:07] <jelly> pff
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• 2352[17:27:59] <coffforcake> hello,maybe a bit offtopic but i cant install debian9 properly because formatting the usb doesnt work.get the output /dev/sdb is apparently in use by the system;will not make filesystem here.anyone knows...?
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• 2358[17:28:59] <jelly> coffforcake: umount any partition (like /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb5) if it gets mounted automatically, first
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• 2362[17:29:19] <jelly> coffforcake: which command are you using that results in that output?
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• 2364[17:29:40] <coffforcake> sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb
• 2365[17:29:42] <jelly> coffforcake: there's no need to format anything
• 2366[17:30:03] <jelly> just cp blah.iso /dev/sdb, after making sure nothing from /dev/sdb* is mounted
• 2367[17:30:21] <coffforcake> when i boot up debian9 live system i cant install it
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• 2370[17:30:38] <jelly> use the installer image for installing, not the live image
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• 2373[17:30:59] <coffforcake> entering the top line in the menu doesnt boot up the live system
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• 2376[17:31:44] <coffforcake> i will try the installer image,although the live image always did work up to now
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• 2379[17:32:19] <coffforcake> but why is formatting not possible?up to now that did work as well
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• 2390[17:35:49] <coffforcake> there are many download options when downloading the non-live version.like dvd ,cd...which one is the right one ?
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• 2399[17:38:38] <jelly> coffforcake: cd netinst image if you have (wired) internet access during installation
• 2400[17:39:14] <coffforcake> dont have wired connection
• 2401[17:40:20] <taueres> coffforcake, as far as I know CD and DVD are the same. Choose wathever is supported by your hardware.
• 2402[17:40:29] <jelly> if you only have wifi you'll probably need
• 2403[17:40:32] <jelly> !firmware images
• 2404[17:40:33] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 2408[17:42:29] <coffforcake> i have tried that firmware images already.its not working.debian 8 did.
• 2409[17:43:48] <coffforcake> i am trying now antiX ,a debian based linux distro pretty lightweight as well.debian9 worked a couple of days ago....strange..
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• 2411[17:44:38] <coffforcake> what do you mean by install guide?
• 2412[17:46:07] <coffforcake> there are bt-dc,bt.dvd.,iso-cd,iso-dvd....which one do i need?i always had the live-version up to now
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• 2418[17:48:31] <_Slartibartfast> are you just trying to install a basic system?
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• 2421[17:49:29] <coffforcake> what do you mean by basic system?i wont need too much..
• 2422[17:49:38] <_Slartibartfast> any of those will work
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• 2424[17:50:13] <coffforcake> ok,i will try
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• 2426[17:51:13] <_Slartibartfast> the larger DVD images just contain more packages you can install if you want them installed from a local source instead of a mirror iirc
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• 2428[17:52:42] <coffforcake> i think it could be the pc.i just tried to boot up a already installed sysytem that never had problems and it didnt boot.
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• 2468[18:13:09] <JYPDWhite> by @ all
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• 2486[18:23:22] <perr-paranoic> Hi, I have a problem after Debian installation
• 2487[18:24:04] <perr-paranoic> I can't start graphical login
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• 2504[18:29:37] <rmx77> hello there
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• 2528[18:39:10] <graff> is it possible to get help to install and set up gitlab on debian 8 here
• 2529[18:39:26] <graff> trying to get the whole kit and kaboodle working, CI and all
• 2530[18:40:13] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: Did you install one?
• 2531[18:40:15] <mutante> you should tell people the part you have already done and where it fails
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• 2534[18:41:45] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, Now I have tried to install Debian with textual installation, but nothing...it is same, I can't open graphil login
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• 2539[18:43:49] <perr-paranoic> mutante, I have finished installation
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• 2546[18:47:57] <mutante> perr-paranoic: cool, congrats!
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• 2548[18:48:57] <perr-paranoic> mutante, I don't undarstand if It was installed a DE
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• 2550[18:49:37] <mutante> perr-paranoic: DE ?
• 2551[18:49:49] <perr-paranoic> DesktopEnviromet
• 2552[18:49:52] <perr-paranoic> *n
• 2553[18:50:11] <mutante> wouldn't that be fairly easy to detect though? graphical login at boot or not?
• 2554[18:50:23] <graff> I have added non-free and contrib to /etc/apt/soruces.list and and ran apt-get update
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• 2556[18:50:37] <graff> but the package manage can't find the gitlab package
• 2557[18:50:45] <graff> apt-cache search gitlab also shows nothing
• 2558[18:51:05] <perr-paranoic> mutante, I haven't a graphical login... this is the problem
• 2559[18:51:14] <graff> this is a default installation of debian 8 from the packet worksonarm group
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• 2561[18:51:25] <graff> debian_version says 8.8
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• 2564[18:52:03] <perr-paranoic> mutante, Default Debian netinstall Has not a DE?
• 2565[18:52:06] <mutante> perr-paranoic: you can still install one now. for example: apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
• 2566[18:52:13] <mutante> perr-paranoic: it does, GNOME
• 2567[18:52:26] <mutante> but it depends what you select during install. either way, not a big deal, you can also install it later
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• 2570[18:53:09] <perr-paranoic> mutante, Yes but now I can't do a graphical start...do you mean?!
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• 2574[18:53:46] <mutante> graff: maybe paste the lines you added to sources.list
• 2575[18:54:00] <graff> seems like it doesn't exist on debian jessie or something
• 2576[18:54:06] <mutante> perr-paranoic: just login and install it
• 2577[18:54:13] <_Slartibartfast> when you installed debian, did you select the option to install a DE? If not, you need to install one after the fact perr-paranoic
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• 2580[18:54:44] <graff> ok, only 3 lines so i will paste into the chat
• 2581[18:54:47] <graff> deb replaced-url
• 2582[18:54:47] <graff> deb replaced-url
• 2583[18:54:48] <graff> deb replaced-url
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• 2585[18:55:01] <graff> i added the "non-free" and "contrib" part
• 2586[18:55:05] <perr-paranoic> _Slartibartfast, but I remember that the old Debian It was different. right?!
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• 2590[18:55:46] <_Slartibartfast> idk, i have no idea what you saw or did during the installation
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• 2592[18:55:58] <perr-paranoic> So, to do a graphical login I need only to install KDE? For example?
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• 2594[18:56:14] <graff> seems like I should maybe fire up a more modern instance of debian
• 2595[18:56:48] <_Slartibartfast> perr-paranoic replaced-url
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• 2598[18:58:02] <annadane> perr-paranoic, can you "dpkg -l *task* | nc termbin.com 9999"?
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• 2604[18:59:13] <annadane> otherwise, you can always install whatever GUI you like, depending on what you want, some people prefer a full desktop, others just want a window manager and add what they want later
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• 2609[19:01:36] <annadane> i know for me i'd never install the standard KDE because i don't like konqueror
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• 2611[19:02:20] <perr-paranoic> annadane, "nc: command not found"
• 2612[19:02:48] <annadane> perr-paranoic, apt install nc
• 2613[19:03:08] <annadane> oh hang on, i think it's referenced by a different package name
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• 2615[19:03:44] <annadane> perr-paranoic, sorry, apt install netcat
• 2616[19:03:51] <perr-paranoic> annadane, "nc" not found as package
• 2617[19:04:53] <perr-paranoic> Do I try to install a DE ?
• 2618[19:05:08] <annadane> well, we're trying to figure out whether you already have one installed or not
• 2619[19:05:23] <jelly> annadane: you don't have to ever touch or use konqueror
• 2620[19:05:36] <annadane> i just don't like having it on the system, it's a waste
• 2621[19:05:52] <Sir_Designer> Rolling Stone Keith Richards says America has to 'get rid' of Donald Trump
• 2622[19:05:58] <jelly> spending time nitpicking packages is also a waste here
• 2623[19:06:02] <Sir_Designer> well. if Keith says it.
• 2624[19:06:15] <jelly> Sir_Designer: #debian-offtopic
• 2625[19:06:39] <annadane> nitpicking what packages? netcat, or konqueror? i'm trying to find out whether they can't access a desktop because they don't have one installed or not
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• 2627[19:07:18] <jelly> annadane: nitpicking the installed set
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• 2629[19:08:08] <annadane> perr-paranoic, anyway, you can try installing a desktop, sure
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• 2632[19:09:13] <jelly> perr-paranoic: does this command, looking at whether you have any desktop task installed, output anything? dpkg -l task\*desktop | grep '^.i'
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• 2635[19:09:59] <jelly> if it does, you have some DE installed and it merely does not work
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• 2640[19:10:48] <perr-paranoic> jelly, nothing corrispondence for task*desktop
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• 2644[19:11:24] <jelly> that means you actually did not install any DE from the installer. Or you removed it afterwards.
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• 2648[19:12:21] <mutante> what's the problem with typing "apt-get install task-gnome-desktop"
• 2649[19:12:26] <perr-paranoic> anyway I thing that I can't use wifi....
• 2650[19:12:39] <perr-paranoic> I want kde...
• 2651[19:13:01] <perr-paranoic> Now I will try with ethernet
• 2652[19:13:07] <mutante> perr-paranoic: replace "gnome" with "kde" in the line above
• 2653[19:13:08] <mutante> task-kde-desktop - KDE
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• 2656[19:14:13] <perr-paranoic> Say Impossible to find... But I think that wifi is not activeted
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• 2662[19:16:07] <jessica523> Is there any way to install geckodriver for headless firefox in Debian without building from the sources @ github? chromedriver is in the official repo, but I'm unable to find geckodriver
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• 2664[19:16:47] <noodlepie> jessica523, headless firefox? are you printing?
• 2665[19:17:03] <graff> alright so does anyone here know how to use this gitlab stuff
• 2666[19:17:08] <jessica523> noodlepie, no I'm running a script that controls a bunch of headless browsers for web scraping
• 2667[19:17:09] <northstar> perr-paranoic, is xorg installed? you'd need that and would probably want a display manager like slim or something if you want gui login.
• 2668[19:17:09] <graff> i ran gitlab-ctl start
• 2669[19:17:16] <graff> and i dunno what to even expect to be honest
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• 2672[19:17:30] <graff> so i installed apache2 and started that, and it is working replaced-url
• 2673[19:17:31] <noodlepie> jessica523, oh,ok. good luck
• 2674[19:17:40] <graff> so i know i have connectivity and whatnot
• 2675[19:17:40] <noodlepie> I like my browsers to have buttons
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• 2677[19:18:48] <jessica523> noodlepie, some sites block bots if they don't render javascript/etc ... running headless browsers let's you trick these sites into thinking you're using a "real" browser, without the overhead of loading all the browser chrome, etc
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• 2679[19:19:15] <noodlepie> yeah
• 2680[19:20:00] <graff> I can't say that the collective of CI appears any more simple than just writing it with a shell script
• 2681[19:20:08] <noodlepie> start a vnc server on the web server, connect the firefox's to that, and leave it offline until you connect vnc client to it and can see the firefox#s?
• 2682[19:20:24] <graff> except perhaps having the tests displayed nicely
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• 2687[19:24:12] <bites> graff: i think you are confusing CI with unit testing.
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• 2690[19:25:05] <graff> bites: erm
• 2691[19:25:14] <perr-paranoic> I'm trying with ethernet during installation...
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• 2693[19:25:36] <graff> anyway I am looking for support getting this package to run, if it's offtopic here that's fine
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• 2700[19:30:41] <bites> graff: the gitlab package in debian seems to want nginx instead of apache2. it comes with example nginx config too. you can also probably find more instructions in /usr/share/doc/gitlab/
• 2701[19:31:05] <jelly> ,v gitlab
• 2702[19:31:06] <judd> Package: gitlab on amd64 -- stretch: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8; stretch-proposed-updates: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8+deb9u1; stretch-security: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8+deb9u1; sid/contrib: 10.6.5+dfsg-2; experimental/contrib: 10.7.3+dfsg-1
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• 2704[19:31:37] <graff> i got it working and installed I think. I actually used the gitlab instructions though which butchered my pure debian install
• 2705[19:32:32] <graff> going to try and save this machine, but not hopeful. would help if I knew how to use the program ..
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• 2707[19:33:39] <bites> oh, you used their magic install script D:
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• 2736[19:42:47] <Logg> !dontbreakdebian
• 2737[19:42:47] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 2739[19:42:56] <KNERD> Anyone know if there is an application which acts like/spoofs the Apple "App Store" application so we can download from there onto Debian?
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• 2742[19:44:18] <mutante> isn't that illegal?
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• 2744[19:44:44] <KNERD> How so? If you are making purchases, or getting their stuff they offer for free
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• 2746[19:46:27] <zeffy> i have a script named ship on desktop, and i want to use it everytime i write ship in terminal.. how can i export path to that ?
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• 2750[19:47:45] <zeffy> export PATH=$PATH:/root/Desktop/ship
• 2751[19:47:48] <zeffy> worekd
• 2752[19:47:55] <KNERD> yes
• 2753[19:48:01] <zeffy> ty :D
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• 2757[19:49:16] <mutante> KNERD: i meant the part of reverse engineering the apple software
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• 2759[19:49:35] <mutante> to make something spoof its behaviour
• 2760[19:49:48] <KNERD> it's not "reverse engineering" it's making the store think it is a Store App
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• 2763[19:49:53] <mutante> i see
• 2764[19:50:02] <mutante> nevermind then
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• 2769[19:50:54] <KNERD> Sort of like when you click on replaced-url
• 2770[19:51:28] <KNERD> zeffy: That is only temporary. You will need to edit your profile to make it stick
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• 2772[19:52:03] <KNERD> for example: echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin' >> ~/.bash_profile
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• 2775[19:52:42] <Akuw> hi
• 2776[19:52:49] <KNERD> high
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• 2778[19:54:58] <rmx77> ello there
• 2779[19:55:19] <gnash> Hi :)
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• 2813[20:05:15] <rmx77> well i am on a want to install the rest of what the 2nd and 3rd dvds have on them from the repos or whatever
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• 2822[20:06:51] <perr-paranoic> jelly, annadane , mutante thank you... I hope it is solved... later I will know...
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• 2826[20:09:05] <rmx77> if only i knew how to get it to do that
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• 2829[20:11:24] <nugax> how can i update binutils and all dependencies from apt?
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• 2851[20:21:37] <KNERD> nugax: apt upgrade binutils ??
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• 2861[20:29:57] <m3ercury> Hello, Guys
• 2862[20:30:01] <m3ercury> Would Help Please ?
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• 2864[20:30:53] <Tenkawa> ask away
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• 2866[20:31:03] <hellyeah> yo
• 2867[20:31:11] <hellyeah> debian server link does not work
• 2868[20:31:13] <hellyeah> i got 400
• 2869[20:31:23] <Tenkawa> specific link please
• 2870[20:31:33] <m3ercury> ok , im new to linux stuff and downloaded and setted parrot dist on vmWARE , ok?
• 2871[20:31:50] <m3ercury> im trying to launch TOR browser but it didn't work
• 2872[20:32:09] <m3ercury> BTW, it's Censored in my Country
• 2873[20:32:27] <Tenkawa> m3ercury: we will not help you break restrictions/laws
• 2874[20:32:45] <m3ercury> im sorry but idk what that means
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• 2877[20:33:39] <Tenkawa> can someone elaborate to him/her.. I'll try to work with hellyeah
• 2878[20:33:47] <Tenkawa> hellyeah: got a link?
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• 2880[20:34:20] <babilen> dpkg: parrot
• 2881[20:34:20] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 2882[20:34:23] <babilen> m3ercury: ^
• 2883[20:34:39] <Tenkawa> babilen: thanks
• 2884[20:35:10] <m3ercury> how to tag a name to direct em msg here :) ?
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• 2891[20:38:37] <m3ercury> @M3rcury sadasd
• 2892[20:38:44] <m3ercury> it's not working
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• 2900[20:41:29] <annadane> m3ercury, what's your question? you just want to notify someone that you addressed them in the channel?
• 2901[20:41:40] <annadane> you can just say their name and most irc clients will alert them
• 2902[20:41:43] <annadane> like i just did
• 2903[20:41:50] <annadane> you can use tab autocompletion to speed up the process
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• 2915[20:49:28] <Ingvix> Not expecting much but I ask anyway. Anyone have an idea how could I produce old cellphone kind of typing system for keypad? Pressing [2] would give "a" and double pressing it would give "b" and then "c" and so on with other keys as well?
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• 2930[20:53:06] <Ingvix> On windows I could use autohotkey. Not sure if autokey or some other alternative can provide same kind of functionality on linux
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• 2933[20:54:21] <graff> alright i got it. and i got the login interface
• 2934[20:54:37] <graff> the problem now is that gitlab is not using ssl https
• 2935[20:54:40] <graff> only htto
• 2936[20:55:00] <graff> http *. and I don't think my collaborators will want to put their singular passwords into it
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• 2939[20:55:15] <digdilem> Ingvix no personal experience, but have you looked at this? replaced-url
• 2940[20:55:20] <graff> (tongue in cheeck)
• 2941[20:55:34] <graff> cheek even
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• 2944[20:55:47] * petn-randall would not accept that check.
• 2945[20:56:08] <Ingvix> hmm
• 2946[20:56:10] <petn-randall> graff: debit only! ;)
• 2947[20:56:29] <Ingvix> If ironahk provides everything autohotkey does, it could just do it
• 2948[20:56:44] <Ingvix> though it's been discontinued
• 2949[20:56:53] <Ingvix> but might provide enough functionality
• 2950[20:56:56] * graff kicks the gitlab. maybe i should just get started without ssl support
• 2951[20:57:13] <graff> i apt-got openssl, restarted stuff but it did nothing
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• 2954[20:59:05] <petn-randall> graff: How do you expect that installing openssl automagically enables https?
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• 2956[20:59:27] <graff> puts the s in https
• 2957[20:59:28] <graff> idk
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• 2959[20:59:54] <graff> ijust know it needs cryptographic stuff from openssl, no idea of the internal wuju involved
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• 2962[21:00:17] <petn-randall> graff: Have you configured the http server to provide https? You will also need an actual vcertificate, too.
• 2963[21:00:24] <graff> guessing that my nginx impl that gitlab is using is not linked wiht it or something
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• 2965[21:00:25] <petn-randall> *certificate
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• 2970[21:01:16] <petn-randall> graff: You need to understand how things work to configure them. Expecting automagic voodoo, especially with crypto is not a good assumption.
• 2971[21:01:25] <greycat> Once you have a TLS certificate, configuring nginx to do TLS on port 443 is quite simple.
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• 3011[21:25:28] <northstar> the closest thing to tls automagic would be that certbot thing from eff.
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• 3016[21:26:26] <greycat> There are various tools to automate a Letsencrypt renewal, certbot being one of them.
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• 3033[21:35:54] <adam7> if anyone is interested, here's my work--proof we live in the matrix, and that the world is about to change. like verifiable proof, and "reason" beyond doubt, to build heaven on earth: replaced-url
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• 3060[21:47:59] <jhutchins> graff: If this is a public facing server, you should read the docs before you enable it. A good idea even if it's internal only.
• 3061[21:48:08] <jhutchins> graff: For instance, replaced-url
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• 3077[21:57:42] <nik> Can i enable iptables and nftables at the same time?
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• 3093[22:09:00] <graff> I need to figure out how to set up gitlab-runner now. i am not seeing the option to "allow runners"
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• 3118[22:23:56] <jhutchins> nik: Why?
• 3119[22:26:13] <nik> nvm, got an answer in #netfilter
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• 3121[22:27:39] <`whoami`> i'd be interested to know that answer
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• 3124[22:28:05] <annadane> my very very uneducated guess is you probably can run both if the configurations don't get in the way
• 3125[22:28:06] <`whoami`> as "global knowledge", or something
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• 3131[22:29:33] <`whoami`> oh they left anyway
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• 3139[22:30:25] <annadane> that said it's probably too much work and you can do everything you need to with one or the other
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• 3142[22:30:35] <`whoami`> indeed
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• 3147[22:32:34] <kruug> I'm using apt-cacher-ng, I configured my desktop to go through that server as a proxy, but how do I verify that's what actually is being done?
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• 3149[22:33:13] <greycat> if it has logs, read them
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• 3201[23:02:20] <jhutchins> graff: That might very well be in the docs too.
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• 3204[23:04:54] <AlexPortable> mount: mount(2) failed: No such file or directory
• 3205[23:05:03] <AlexPortable> cant it find the target target directory, or the first one not?
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• 3212[23:07:47] <graff> well the problem now is that my gitlab server is not sending confirmation emails
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• 3214[23:08:00] <graff> and it needs them for the admin account to work.
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• 3218[23:10:07] <graff> it needs some kind of mail server or smtp suppor
• 3219[23:10:08] <graff> t
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• 3223[23:14:01] <jhutchins> It seems like I've seen a program that describes the physical RAM, not just the total but the channels and what's in them. Can't remember what it was.
• 3224[23:14:03] <graff> so now I am trying to install and set up the postfix mail server
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• 3232[23:16:30] <graff> when it asks for the fully qulaified domain name, do i just put the address of my server?
• 3233[23:17:40] <greycat> I've never configured postfix specifically, but it's anything like qmail's "control/me", it should be the name that you want the system to use to identify itself unmistakably, so you know which system is reporting this message to you.
• 3234[23:18:18] <greycat> Usually that will also be whatever the system's primary public IP address resolves to (via a DNS PTR record).
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• 3241[23:21:57] <tw> as a user of postfix, I can confirm what grecat has said applies to it.
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• 3256[23:33:46] <graff> ... plaintext email passwords
• 3257[23:34:16] <graff> this is really screwy, but ok
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• 3259[23:34:42] <graff> perhaps why you were all stressing about the https so much ..
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• 3274[23:48:40] <jhutchins> postfix uses paswords?
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• 3284[23:55:40] <booyah> jhutchins: in what way? Im rather sure it can be set to require and use passwords for users who authorize to it
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• 3289[23:57:07] <jhutchins> I suppose it might use user accounts for sending mail, but it's not a client, generally you use POP, IMAP, or local mailreader.
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• 3291[23:57:46] <jhutchins> There's no need to configure auth if it's sending from a local program (localhost).
• 3292[23:58:38] <northstar> graff, this might help: replaced-url
• 3293[23:59:03] <jhutchins> booyah: graff said something about plaintext email passwords, and last I saw he was trying to configure postfix.
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