5[00:00:37] <Tenkawa> tx0h: well armhf is a completely different architecture
6[00:00:48] <Tenkawa> you should be able to be able to get mono on x86
7[00:00:52] <Tenkawa> just a sec
8[00:00:54] <tx0h> tenkawa: tell me more :-)
9[00:01:18] <tx0h> but i don't want it for x86
10[00:01:27] <annadane> if you want to stay on stable you'd have to get it from another source other than testing/unstable unless you want to upgrade the whole system to testing/unstable which some (or many) people don't want; replaced-url
11[00:01:37] <tx0h> it's for my tinkerboard, which comes with debian
12[00:01:52] <Tenkawa> ahh you wnt it for the pi? there is a good pi channel on here too
13[00:02:14] <annadane> i run sid so i consider it stable (but i take precautions and don't do things blindly) but don't expect other people to have my preferences
14[00:02:17] <tx0h> no, i want it for the tinkerboard, which looks like rpi, but isn't
15[00:02:18] <Tenkawa> tx0h: yeah my tinkerboard has been a nuisance
16[00:02:41] <Tenkawa> mine has overheating problems
17[00:03:00] <tx0h> tenkawa: mine runs a opensim :-)
70[00:24:17] <TinkerTiger> It's official, I will be teaching Linux in the fall. I guess after 30 years of using it, I will actually have to learn something!
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116[00:48:03] <Divergenz> I have a problem with charset in .txt files on my debian server. I changed charset in nginx and my locale is utf 8 but in textfiles i have errors.
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185[01:20:47] <TinkerTiger> My job is usually not much more then reminding people of what they already know rather then me giving them new information they have never seen before.
222[01:45:33] <jak2000> when i try access my site i get an error: Internal server error, its because the .htaccess is the problem here my htaccess: replaced-url
223[01:46:11] <somiaj> jak2000: is this apache, nginx, or something else?
234[01:52:16] <somiaj> unsure if #httpd could give better help, I don't know what the issue could be if the module is enabled but it is still saying not defined.
280[02:04:33] <AlexPortable> folder /home/alexportable/one/two/three/four/five/six/, i want to share folder four with user foo, and folder six with user bar. whats the best way to achieve this?
281[02:05:20] <AlexPortable> should i move the folder outside of the home directory?
298[02:08:50] <Tenkawa> jak2000: see if a2enmod mod_rewrite and restarting apache helps
299[02:09:10] <jak2000> ERROR: Module mod_rewrite does not exist!
300[02:09:15] <somiaj> AlexPortable: it would be easier if they weren't so nested, but in that case, note that if you give a user 'x' permisions but not 'r' persions, they can't actually see any of the files in the directory, but they can move through it.
301[02:09:28] <Tenkawa> oops
302[02:09:32] <AlexPortable> or maybe i should setup a symlink?
308[02:10:49] <jak2000> if i rename the .htaccess file, it work but not know if a good idea (and too not know if work fine at 1005)
309[02:11:01] <somiaj> AlexPortable: not sure on the exact details, but you would have to use groups, and then only give 'x' to either a group or everyone but no 'r'.
310[02:11:10] <Tenkawa> I hear ya
311[02:11:36] <somiaj> Tenkawa: what does mod_rewrite have to do with this, the issue is mod_headers.
312[02:11:58] <Tenkawa> somiaj: right.. but its not parsing his access rules
313[02:12:55] <somiaj> not sure what you mean by that, it seems that is things 'Headers' is not defined, which sounds like mod_headers is not loading properly.
326[02:14:50] <jak2000> checking making a phpinfo...
327[02:14:56] <AlexPortable> somiaj: i'm a bit lost here, should i set group x or others x?
328[02:15:16] <somiaj> WoC: but that sounds like an XY problem, what is your actual goal? Do you want to fall back to vesa or nv driver? Or are you wanting to use the nivida driver instaed of nouveau?
329[02:15:35] <somiaj> AlexPortable: either works, depends on your actual needs. I would probably use others myself, and then setup the groups for the read (maybe write) permissions.
330[02:15:54] <AlexPortable> but the owner of the folder isn't the group
338[02:17:17] <jak2000> when try execute the i.php get in the browser: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
339[02:17:31] <jak2000> cant see about php
340[02:17:43] <somiaj> WoC: nv has no 3d support and poor preformance, I think getting nouveau to work would be a more proper approach. That being said, just blacklist the module in /etc/modprobe.d and that will prevernt your kernel from loading it.
341[02:17:47] <jak2000> php -v say me: PHP 7.0.19-1 (cli) (built: May 11 2017 14:04:47) ( NTS )
342[02:17:47] <Tenkawa> jak2000: whats the clock on your server say?
354[02:20:44] <somiaj> WoC: blacklist just prevents loading at boot, I think it can manually be loaded later. Maybe your xorg is loading it. Have you written an xorg.conf to force your machine to use the nv driver?
361[02:23:57] <WoC> somiaj, ty, still trying to find any nvidia driver though... some repo to enable for that but i haven't found it yet
362[02:24:08] <somiaj> !nvidia-kernel-dkms
363[02:24:08] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
364[02:24:31] <Tenkawa> WoC: have you been to the wiki page?
421[03:06:09] <somiaj> Chinesium: I thinnk vmware provides a way to mount a direction on the host in the guest. Unsure on this. Another way is if you have ssh running on the guest, use winscp
422[03:06:27] <somiaj> mobaxterm is also a nice windows tool for accessing linux servers.
447[03:23:26] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
458[03:36:59] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
492[03:56:00] <b---> any idea what AMD video driver i need to install?
493[03:56:05] <tp43_> I two screen, 1 widescreen monitor connected on display port plug and other widescreen tv on vga plug, but the screen on the vga port, the tv, it is not filling up the widescreen, it is showing square
494[03:56:30] <b---> when I boot up and see the debian splash page it's a giant mess until the sign in screen
505[04:03:02] <b---> Hi my videocard is the following chipset: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] [1002:9850] (rev 45) I'm getting the following for 30 seconds on boot. I can't even explain it without an image. Eventually I reach the login screen. OS: Debian Stretch replaced-url
506[04:03:33] <b---> This is a clean install of Debian Stretch. When I had Debian Jessie this never happened and my boot time was seconds.
507[04:03:49] <b---> Normally I don't link to images, but I have no idea what it is.
508[04:04:24] <b---> Once I reach GDM (I think that's the default desktop manager) the screen renders correctly
514[04:06:59] <Logg> b---, you could just disable the splash screen in /etc/default/grub. If GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" you'll get text on the screen instead of glitchy images.
515[04:07:14] <b---> let me try that now thank you
516[04:07:21] <b---> i really want to see what's causing such a long boot time
517[04:07:26] <Logg> tp43_, try xrandr to set the display mode
518[04:07:34] <Logg> you may have to add a mode line
530[04:10:33] <b---> Logg: I still see the same visual error when I boot up and when I shut down
531[04:10:45] <b---> even with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
532[04:10:52] <Logg> make sure to update grub b---
533[04:11:10] <b---> oops i didnt do that
534[04:11:20] <b---> somiaj: i have everything out of the box so non-free isn't installed yet
535[04:11:33] <b---> non-free repos arent enabled
536[04:11:38] <b---> should i?
537[04:11:49] <somiaj> I think Logg has a point about the spalsh srcreen, but the free radeon kms driver works a bit better if you have the non-free firmware for it installed.
538[04:12:02] <b---> i'll take your advise and install it now
539[04:12:10] <b---> -advice
540[04:12:18] <somiaj> correct, they aren't installed by default, but your graphics card mayget some preformace boost by having the amd firmware. Though since you say gdm works fine, this issue might be something else.
558[04:18:20] <b---> those closed source drivers\firmware you recommended did the trick
559[04:18:20] <Logg> somiaj, you might be right, might be thinking of when I had a Nvidia 560ti
560[04:18:43] <somiaj> b---: the firmware is used in addition to the open driver. Some of the newer cards require it, lots of the older ones, the firmware just provided better preformance and possibliy 3d support.
561[04:19:04] <somiaj> so though the driver is open, it requires closed (non-free) firmware for more features/preformance
562[04:19:35] <b---> yeah i can tell the difference now i can select higher resolutions
563[04:19:43] <b---> not sure what was going on out of the box
565[04:20:04] <Logg> it used to be the default to show boot process, but the powers that be decided it was prettier to put a splash screen by default.
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567[04:21:17] <somiaj> I don't think a splash screen is default, none of my installs have one. But they are all 'quiet' and don't produce much output
568[04:22:29] <tp43_> Logg, it worked, it got wide, but not wide enough
569[04:22:36] <b---> brb
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571[04:23:50] <Logg> tp43_, keep hacking at it. make sure you use the correct resolution in your gtf line, and there might be some setting in the monitor to adjust overscan etc
572[04:24:43] <tp43_> How can I find my screen's dimensions?
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629[05:08:30] <WoC> :P dang it... Somehow, i can not get X11 working on my hybrid sht graphics, intel+nvidia, is there a debian setup script of some sort ?
759[06:43:57] <Resilience> hello to eeryone, I have old versions of lxqt, mate, and so on desktops (for trying) now I want to remove them but it seems taht thre are no packes taht purge those desktops, what is going wrong= what can I do= tasksel does not recognize desktops installed
763[06:45:10] <GreatEmerald> Is there a way to have apt actually tell the reason why it can't install a package straight away, instead of saying "Depends: <something> but it is not going to be installed"
766[06:50:44] <iflema> GreatEmerald: what sources do you have in sources.list? have yoaltered theM? It may be going to drag in too much and/or require a major upgrade to distro or toolchain as is
778[06:55:46] <SlidingHorn> GreatEmerald: you may have better luck in #debian-next on oftc.net - that's where support for testing & sid is
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780[06:56:15] <GreatEmerald> Hm, I see
781[06:56:43] <SlidingHorn> GreatEmerald: that being said, the "Depends:" message you reference is what tells you whats missing
782[06:57:43] <GreatEmerald> SlidingHorn: It's not missing, it just depends on something else, which depends on something else, which depends on something else
784[06:58:58] <GreatEmerald> And if I try to walk the tree with apt install, at some points I can install some of the dependencies, but they don't get marked as automatic
839[07:40:47] <Tywin> Where are the additional hooks for update-initramfs stored? A lot of useless bullshit keeps getting added to it and I can't figure out where the hell they're coming from
851[07:49:27] <werkIt> hey there. im trying to install debian 9 to my macbook pro late 2012. im having issues with my network driver. its not allowing me to select the b43 option from the network. and when i use a direct connectiong i get dhcp erros.... ive tried copying the files for the drivers onto a usb but im having issues with compatibility. im untable to apt get or with the nelist iso
865[07:59:52] <somiaj> werkIt: broadcom requires some extra care. Do you have a wired connection you can use, if so there are packages in contrib and non-free you can use to get the firmware needed for the wifi card.
875[08:05:40] <somiaj> werkIt: personally I would deal with getting the card to work after the install (not during the install). And note that the firmware is not directly provided by debian, only scripts to download it or cut it out of the windows driver.
876[08:07:09] <kot> because of broadcom legal restrictions?
882[08:08:14] <somiaj> the two basic options are us the b43 driver, debian provides scripts which downloads the windows driver from broadcom, cuts the firmware out of and copies it into place. The other is to use their wl-driver, which requires using tools to download and build the driver against your kernel
883[08:08:16] <werkIt> no network connection and its only terminal GNOME DNE
887[08:09:38] <werkIt> how would i get the script onto the installation without internet
888[08:09:50] <werkIt> it seems the wl-driver is the only option then/
889[08:09:53] <werkIt> ?*
890[08:10:07] <somiaj> if you don't have a secondary network connection (even a usb dongle) you can use, then you have to manually cut the firmare out, using b43-fwcutter (for the bcm 43xx cards)
891[08:10:33] <somiaj> you will have to copy it over to the machine using some physical medium like a usb or cd. And you may ahve to download a few packages.
892[08:10:48] <somiaj> it is kinda a pain if you don't have a network connection and can use the scripts to automate it.
893[08:11:46] <werkIt> any suggestions on fixing the DHCP connection error then?
894[08:11:56] <werkIt> also i appreciate your help thank you
895[08:12:11] <somiaj> is ipv6 the only option you have avaiable, I don't know ipv6 that well.
896[08:12:43] <werkIt> i dont believe so, but thats the the auto installer was looking for to configure
897[08:12:57] <somiaj> well do you have any info about your wired card in /etc/network/interfaces
898[08:12:58] <werkIt> i do believe there is a way to manually install ?
899[08:15:25] <werkIt> mmmm there isnt one? i use an external usb to eth plug in
907[08:19:58] <werkIt> hmm my wired connection is located in a roommates room who seems to be locked away and unresponsibive so i cant connect atm. any way you just list or link me to list of cmds/process to troubleshoot the conenction?
912[08:21:40] <somiaj> provided debian recongizes your wired connection its name will show up in 'ip a', from there get the name and put the line 'iface <name> inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces, where <name> is the name of the interface from ip a
913[08:22:04] <somiaj> after that run, 'ifup <name>' and it should bring it up, provided there is a dhcp server that will respond.
915[08:22:30] <somiaj> after that edit /etc/apt/sources.list, configure the deb.debian.org sources, make sure to include contrib and non-free, then apt update, after that install the desired script or wl driver packages.
922[08:25:34] <werkIt> i seriously appreciate the help. i wish i could troubleshoot it atm .. what a bummer that this is such a problem everything abt the mac os has been an issue from having to erase the drive and remap partitions to the firmware stuff!
923[08:25:49] <werkIt> sigh. will get this to work tho thanks for the help!
999[09:34:53] <shtrb|laptop> I'm so not into rebuilding a package with some extra compile option just to enable one feature (build needs at least 8 GB of disk space and god knows how much to time build)
1000[09:36:20] <hypn0> says at end =50 works well enough for me. replaced-url
1001[09:37:13] <shtrb|laptop> hypn0, you have actually tried creating the file and entered an https site and seen the key flushed to the file ?
1002[09:37:31] <hypn0> no
1003[09:38:37] <shtrb|laptop> you said "works well enough for you", so I assumed you tested it (because I'm getting different results = key is not flushed)
1004[09:39:01] <hypn0> I said in comments at the end
1014[09:47:56] <somiaj> shtrb|laptop: have you checked if this feature is enabeled in the experimental package? If not, maybe you need to file a bug with debian about it, sounds like a wishlist bug to me.
1015[09:48:41] <shtrb|laptop> hmmm installing a package from experimental (that sound fun) , I will check , thanks
1016[09:49:07] <somiaj> if running stable, double check the depends are staisfied in jessie.
1017[09:49:12] <shtrb|laptop> somiaj, I thought someone else already packages something (and I just failed to find it)
1018[09:49:12] <somiaj> sorry I mean stretch
1019[09:49:45] <somiaj> but here you can see if the new esr60 has that feature, and that would probably be your best bet of getting it into stable
1026[09:53:08] <space_race> Asking because I'm not sure where to check what version will be included in new stable
1027[09:53:09] <somiaj> space_race: security will eventually provided it once the current esr is no longer supported and there are security issues
1028[09:53:32] <somiaj> oh the new stable, I totally expect esr60 to be provided via scurity for stretch and in buster.
1029[09:53:43] <somiaj> since support ends for esr52 in august
1030[09:54:30] <space_race> Yea the new stable (not the current one)
1031[09:54:51] <space_race> If it does get included in the new stable, I might just go back down to Stable
1032[09:55:01] <space_race> when it comes out
1033[09:56:08] <somiaj> that doesn't make much sense to me, but anyways, by the time buster is released, it will have esr60. And eventaully stretch will have it too.
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1035[09:57:00] <Logg> "the new stable" is buster, and won't be released for a long time (years). if you want the latest hottest hippest firefox, read here: replaced-url
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1037[10:00:44] <space_race> Im on Unstable at the moment
1038[10:01:32] <space_race> I could just stay in stable and use Logg's link, but it's easier to just be on stable and apt install firefox
1039[10:02:05] <space_race> Plus, the new stable wont come out until next year or something, right?
1040[10:02:34] <shtrb|laptop> somiaj, checked 60 on a different machine - does not have that option enabled :-(
1041[10:02:59] <somiaj> then I would file a wishlist bug to the debian bts
1042[10:03:28] <Logg> space_race, Debian stretch just came out a couple months ago. Eventually ESR 60 will enter it, but if you're "waiting", it's a long wait.
1175[12:16:29] <somethinginteres> Hi all, has anyone had luck getting Spotify to run on Debian testing? Instructions on spotify.com are not working for me.
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1198[12:38:11] <somethinginteres> AndreasLutro: noted. Thanks. The instructions for adding their repo directly don't seem to work for me "could not resolve <url>" on apt-get update will give the flatpak a go
1213[12:42:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is see there is: ip a
1214[12:42:41] <AndreasLutro> I already use a combination of apt, flatpak, appimages, and custom scripts to download or compile programs that aren't available or recent enough in apt. any effort to consolidate this sort of thing is welcome to me
1260[13:11:15] <somethinginteres> shtrb|laptop: yep, saw that today. I am not exactly comfortable with it. On the upside the apps got removed from the store.
1261[13:12:32] <Tegu> well, that's not specific to snap. it could happn on any distribution system without quality assurance
1262[13:12:56] <Tegu> like some random extrnal repos
1356[14:28:51] <brad[]> Hi all, something I've never quite understood about apt - removal of dependencies along with the package seems unpredictable (likely it's following a logic I'm unaware of)
1357[14:29:18] <brad[]> Example: apt install qemu-system-ppc from a base install will add 66 packages, and apt autoremove qemu-system-ppc will remove 63
1371[14:32:28] <brad[]> So I could conceivably configure apt to avoid installing recommends at all, though the moment I do install recommended packages I have to deal with that again
1372[14:32:29] <alkisg> You can grep apt history.log and find the packages installed, and copy them to the purge command
1383[14:36:44] <brad[]> Silly question but if it's a recommended package and multiple packages recommend it, why wasn't it installed by the first package that recommended?
1394[14:40:49] <alkisg> space_race: there; but really, don't do that: replaced-url
1395[14:41:36] <space_race> TinkerTiger: I only choose the standard linux tool or whatever it's called in the installer, and build it from there manually
1398[14:43:24] <TinkerTiger> I only play with mainline because that's what I teach, well that and Raspbian.
1399[14:43:40] <brad[]> I was under the impression recommended packages weren't critical to functionality, so I'd hope to be able to be unconcerned with their removal
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1414[14:46:56] <space_race> The image preview function was missing from dolphin, took me a couple weeks to notice and realise the library was under recommend and I didnt install it
1417[14:48:53] <FinalX> Required = absolutely necessary for the program to function normally. Recommended = You really want these for the full or better experience. Suggested = not necessary at all, but nice to have.
1418[14:49:09] <FinalX> s/nice to have/might be nice to have/
1432[14:52:24] <brad[]> So the scenario I'm in is: I've got a minimal install of 9.4 going, I apt installed aptitude and then apt installed qemu-system-ppc - not all rdependencies of qemu-system-ppc are removed as they're presumably recommended by aptitude as well? If so, and recommends are installed by default, why weren't they installed during the installation of aptitude?
1434[14:53:04] <brad[]> I'm making assumptions there though. Because I'm not sure the dependencies are remaining behind because they're wanted in some way by aptitude
1441[14:54:55] <brad[]> But I suspect I'm on the right track because adding 'APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "false"; |
1442[14:54:55] <brad[]> APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false";' does remove all the packages installed by both (if I remove both)
1443[14:54:56] <FinalX> TinkerTiger: For the record, Yum, as opposed to APT, only has _one_ type of dependency and no way of excluding "recommended", or "suggested", because it simply doesn't have something like that. Not sure what package manager you'd be referring to with your "rest of the world uses optional". But, this is pretty much the world out there.
1444[14:55:09] <brad[]> alkisg: alright
1445[14:55:44] <brad[]> FinalX: Yeah I'm coming from yum/dnf principally where there is only that one dependency concept
1446[14:55:54] <FinalX> Also, "recommended" and "suggested" are *both* optional packages, so using "optional" would be impossible, because it'd mean both of those types. Hence the distinction. In the dictionary, however, all 3 terms are much older, even.
1447[14:55:58] <brad[]> so this adds some interesting flair
1448[14:56:21] <TinkerTiger> FinalX, I live in the real world. People don't usually say that fries are recommended with your burger, but it is one of many options. ;)
1449[14:57:01] <space_race> Perhaps suggest could be optional , and recommends could be important
1450[14:57:15] <brad[]> If I remove both packages WITHOUT those options configured, even more dependencies remain behind, so the mystery deepens. Is the base system also installed with recommends?
1451[14:57:46] <brad[]> If not, can I sweep through and install them all?
1452[14:58:01] <TinkerTiger> I have found this discussion helpful though. Just illustrates why I was going to start my next class in Spanish.
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1513[15:46:18] <tomreyn> hi. i'd like to install debian 9 with gpt partition tables. it appears the netinstall iso will default to msdos partiton tables and there is no (or none that i spotted) way to use gpt instead. how should i proceed?
1514[15:46:38] <babilen> gpt is used in uefi mode, IIRC
1519[15:48:09] <babilen> At least every single box I installed in the last couple of years that was booted with UEFI has GPT
1520[15:48:40] <tomreyn> thanks babilen. is there a way to use gpt in legacy bios (CSM) mode?
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1522[15:49:09] <babilen> Not that I know of, you have standard busybox tools available to you though and should be able to create it prior to partitioning
1523[15:49:47] <xormor> what is GPT?
1524[15:49:53] <babilen> dpkg: gpt
1525[15:49:53] <dpkg> GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. replaced-url
1526[15:50:10] <dvs> Can't it be partitioned in GPT before the install?
1527[15:50:14] <babilen> Sure
1528[15:50:45] <babilen> That is essentially what I alluded to earlier ...
1556[16:02:18] <GreatEmerald> So how does multiarch work? If I try to install anything from amd64, it tries to install libc6:amd64, which needs libgcc1, which needs gcc-8-base, which tries to uninstall everything
1594[16:19:04] <epergny> I'm running stretch on a machine back since when stretch was still in alpha. Is there anything I need to do have a "non alpha" stretch besides the usual "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"?
1605[16:22:28] <epergny> hmmm so to go from "stretch alpha" to "stretch" I need to dist-upgrade. That seems a bit weird but I should know better by now.
1614[16:26:00] <GreatEmerald> But I have ca-certificates installed, so why would it report failures?
1615[16:26:03] <shtrb|work> does lsusb webcam width/height influence vlc or any other player ? (v4l2 report 640x480 but lsusb report 1028x720 but vlc only read as 640x480)
1633[16:35:21] <`whoami`> Hello, I'm trying to set up a minimal X server to watch some movies on my TV, I've got my X environment loaded (i3-wm is starting just fine), but when I ssh to that machine and try DISPLAY=:0 somecommand, I get "Can't open display :0"; when I physically go to that machine and do echo $DISPLAY it echoes :0.0 - I also tried DISPLAY=:0.0 thecommand, same error - do you have any clue ?
1635[16:36:25] <`whoami`> I worked just fine few moments ago, but I had to uninstall a lot of stuff to save space (it's a 2Gb disk drive...); so I probably removed something "important", but can't figure out what
1645[16:39:14] <epergny> `whoami`: yup, damn, what? it's working now?
1646[16:39:17] <`whoami`> you're right, I'm not running the x session as the same user /o\
1647[16:39:41] <`whoami`> apologies... that's so obvious now :D
1648[16:39:58] <epergny> `whoami`: warning, it's not secure but "xhost +localhost" or even "xhost +" and, while trooblesohoting, you may want to remove "--no-listen tcp" to
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1663[16:43:50] <epergny> shtrb|work: zero clue. And while we're off-topic, I'm nearly 100% positive that playing a 1080p encoded movie on my 720p projector gives better results (less encoding artefacts) than the same movie encoded in 720p.
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1670[16:46:26] <shtrb|work> I'm thinking about strapping an arduino to do record 5 seconds , save file , transfer as mass media , find a way to merge files and play :-(
1672[16:48:22] <epergny> shtrb|work: at least @ 640x480 movie files aren't going to be too big. Family here keeps taking short movies with their fancy smartphones in kinda hi-def format and because I'm the computer guy "I have to make sure to backup all these little family movies".
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1704[16:55:44] <codydh> Hello! I just installed Debian on my MacBook Pro and also installed GNOME. I'm currently showing ~29W on powertop with only Terminal and Polair open. The Tunables section lists a bunch of things that are configured in a "bad" state. Are there any 'easy' steps I can take to improve this? Packages I can install?
1705[16:55:49] <epergny> shtrb|work: I should use that to do something else: put one audio CD in the drive, rip it to FLAC for posterity, put the next one in. Then rip all my CDs from the 80s and 90s.
1718[16:57:34] <codydh> shtrb|work: My impression is that it was about configurations? I have things like "NMI watchdog should be turned off" and "VM writeback timeout"
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1722[16:59:22] <shtrb|work> nmi is usefull during lockups (if you had any, it will unlock you)
1723[16:59:30] <epergny> shtrb|work: audio CDs were succesful and seen everywhere before data CDs were a thing (as far as I remember my teenage years).
1724[17:00:08] <shtrb|work> codydh, I don't have a mac and I have no idea what that could do to your laptop
1725[17:00:09] <codydh> shtrb|work: Sure, point taken, I guess I'm just wondering if there's any more broad optimization I could do. I seem to recall seeing mention (perhaps for some other distribution) of installing a package with power tweaks or something.
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1735[17:02:47] <epergny> r3: ah you! Yup I know it's boring: got the same issue. How long would you say it takes on average to do a 100% bit-perfect accurate rip of one CD?
1736[17:02:49] * r3 veers way off topic, gets a grip, comes back
1737[17:03:09] <shtrb|work> Vinyl and casts for the masses !
1738[17:03:09] <r3> hmmm - 21 minutes?
1739[17:03:14] <epergny> r3: it's not OT. It's a major SNAFU to get accurate rips to work correctly on Debian.
1740[17:03:31] <r3> which is why I used EAC in Windows :\
1741[17:03:32] <GreatEmerald> This seems to be something related to Qtqt
1742[17:03:38] <epergny> r3: unless you run EAC in a Windows VM...
1743[17:03:42] <GreatEmerald> Hm, what is responsible for SSL cert validation in Qt?*
1744[17:03:45] <epergny> which is kinda... weird.
1745[17:03:58] <epergny> r3: oh ok, 21 minutes not too bad. I was thinking it was more like one hour.
1746[17:04:17] <r3> and I think you want EAC to be able to talk to the CDROM hardware directly (I thought it does) rather than a driver that is one step removed
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1748[17:04:38] <epergny> r3: see, you should have build that robotic arm that shtrb|work linked to! : )
1749[17:04:43] <r3> epergny: I am totally guessing, I could try it now - I have EAC installed and a CD around somewhere
1750[17:05:08] <r3> not an hour, not any more, with faster PCs. If it is really scratched, maybe takes a lot of time due to retries
1751[17:05:12] <epergny> r3: talk to the CD hardware directly for speed or for correctness? For correctness as long as you've found the offset and use the accurate rip DB, you know if your rip is correct or not right?
1765[17:08:55] <shtrb|work> why not a usb or pxe ?
1766[17:09:12] <r3> I think with EAC you can go faster with less error correction/compression or slower with more error correction/compression. I would really have to look. It has been some time. Of course, my collection still exists on hundreds of CDs that I haven't gotten to yet
1774[17:09:57] <epergny> shtrb|work: I like the write-once-then-it-s-read-only thinggy. I do verify the .iso 's cryptographic checksum then I re-create the .iso from the disk to be sure the checksum is correct. That I like.
1775[17:10:35] <epergny> shtrb|work: something I don't like is, for example, when I "dd" a Raspbian image to a Micro-SD card and then the simple act of plugging the SD card on an OS X computer modifies the content of the SD card.
1776[17:10:39] <codydh> shtrb|work: Anything in particular I should be concerned about? I thought the damage prevention logic was mostly OS-agnostic?
1783[17:11:47] <epergny> r3: not on micro SD like those that go into Raspberry Pi I think.
1784[17:11:49] <r3> (and also look for a setting on the OS X to knock that shit off)
1785[17:11:55] <shtrb|work> codydh, battery will stop you at X C but that will force you to replace it , working on above a thershold reduce battery life
1787[17:12:16] <r3> epergny: I had luck using an adapter from the microSD to SD that had the write-protect tab)
1788[17:12:22] <epergny> r3: I mean, I could... But what I meant is: with a write-once CD (or DVD), you're sure...
1789[17:12:28] <codydh> shtrb|work: I gotcha. Yeah, this does seem a bit fraught, I'm barely doing anything on this machine and it's definitely running much warmer than it does on macOS.
1793[17:13:26] <shtrb|work> Check thermald (read the docs before installing !)
1794[17:13:32] <epergny> r3: but the "OS X modifies the content of the SD card just by plugging it in"... It took me hours to understand what was going on. I was sure I was getting "MITM" attacked at first. Not understanding why checksum would never match when I tried to read it back : )
1795[17:13:55] <r3> I have thousands of CDs (all classical) that I still have yet to rip.
1796[17:13:55] <codydh> shtrb|work: Will do, thank you!
1797[17:14:01] <epergny> r3: wow!
1798[17:14:17] <epergny> r3: you bought them all new or acquired them used?
1799[17:14:20] <shtrb|work> r3, and do you check they didn't rot or something ?
1800[17:14:23] <r3> most are rare or hard to find imports. All new.
1802[17:14:55] <r3> shtrb|work: they're in a cool dry dark place, and last time I looked (several years ago) they were just fine.
1803[17:14:56] <epergny> shtrb|work: when you rip them with modern software rippers, the rips are automatically with an online DB of other people who did rip them too. So if you're rip is 100% bit-perfect / accurate, you know it.
1805[17:15:18] <r3> epergny: that's the problems with a lot of these, that they don't exist in those databases
1806[17:15:31] <epergny> shtrb|work: and it's a major PITA to do because the labels didn't want CD audio to ever be perfectly ripped.
1807[17:15:38] <shtrb|work> I'm not saying anything about the rip, I'm talking about cds and other media rot (litterly rot)
1808[17:16:13] <epergny> r3: so start filling the DB! : )
1809[17:16:13] <shtrb|work> physical decomposition and material damage (hope it's more clear)
1810[17:16:50] <epergny> shtrb|work: these rippers do try many fancy things when there's rot. I can literally take from 1x to 10x the time in case a part of the CD is hard to read.
1811[17:16:50] <webunicorn> who uses CDs anyway? :P
1812[17:16:58] <webunicorn> ExactAudioCopy (EAC) is nice
1813[17:17:04] <r3> what's putting me off ripping all of them is that I want to preserve the CD jackets. So I got a nice scanner, but that is SO time consuming!!
1814[17:17:13] <epergny> webunicorn: not many, that's why we try to rip them to 100% bit-perfect FLAC files ; )
1815[17:17:30] <epergny> r3: I bet so!
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1817[17:17:36] <shtrb|work> I think in few years we could rip them using imaging software
1818[17:17:44] <epergny> r3: in any case, don't throw them away once you're done : )
1819[17:17:44] <webunicorn> r3: couldn't you ask nicely the manufacturer or distributor for a nice original PDF of that jacket?
1836[17:21:49] <epergny> webunicorn: they're outdated kinda in the same way old books are outdated. And ripping audio CDs is not unlike scanning and archiving old books. There's data on these CDs and some people want to preserve that.
1837[17:22:02] <dgriffi> musicbrainz does a nice job of preserving cover art and the like
1838[17:22:13] <webunicorn> epergny: yes, this is good! preserve everything you can, what goes into internet should stay there forever
1839[17:22:15] <shtrb|work> There was a news story that people would need to prove they are over 18
1841[17:22:58] <epergny> also I'm pretty sure there are stupid regulations / legislation left and right mandating the use of CDs/DVDs in certain cases. The medical world is full of such silly requirements/rules/legislation.
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1843[17:24:28] <r3> let's see, a quick look at the database, I have 3437 CDs that haven't been burned.
1844[17:25:02] <epergny> r3: man seriously? Just wow. I've got like 200 altogether. Respect!
1845[17:25:32] <epergny> r3: at 10 per day you're done in less than a year!
1846[17:25:46] <r3> that's one way to look at it, epergny - I hadn't thought of that.
1847[17:26:01] <epergny> r3: so I take it you've got quite the stereo amp/speakers right?
1871[17:38:46] <somiaj> GreatEmerald: isn't that the libary you made a custom version of? It was pointed out to you that x32 really isn't supported here.
1873[17:39:28] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, did you check they valid ?
1874[17:39:44] <GreatEmerald> somiaj: That was not QtNetwork, no
1875[17:40:16] <GreatEmerald> shtrb|work: They are valid, it errors out even on Let's Encrypt certs
1876[17:40:28] <somiaj> ahh, still anyways, you should be asking for support in the x32 channel. That port could have issues that are no reproducible on offical ports.
1877[17:40:47] <GreatEmerald> "
1878[17:40:47] <GreatEmerald> The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found
1879[17:40:49] <GreatEmerald> "
1880[17:40:50] <epergny> r3: nice, only 9 months needed @ 10 per day then ; )
1881[17:40:58] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, can you download one and use openssl to verify it ? it could as simple as a CA not trusted or intermediate missing
1882[17:41:03] <GreatEmerald> somiaj: And I'll never get a response ;)
1894[17:42:49] <somiaj> yea, got me the first time too, hence why contiunlly to ask questsions here is only going to add confusion, als GreatEmerald has been told this before by other ops of the channel.
1899[17:43:49] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, if your port did the bad job packaging NSS/openssl/gnutls you will get intellectually chalenged failures (so are missing data in packages)
1900[17:43:52] <somiaj> GreatEmerald: it could be somethign with that port, it could not be, we aren't here to try to figure that out. Please respect the policy of this channel to support offical ports and stable.
1901[17:44:19] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, the easit thing I would do would be to get the intermediate packages and the CA manually install them and check it
1972[18:20:37] <msiism> so, this is a pretty severe bug, if you ask me. is someone working on this or is it an upstream issue? it completely breaks my workflow.
1984[18:26:34] <msiism> r3: ok, i've got a second laptop with different (non-intel) graphics hardware. let me put debian 9.4 on that one as well and see if i can reproduce the problem.
1998[18:33:35] <mnuhmnuh> r3: why does "logging out of shell on vt2 crashes X on vt1" == video driver (obviously?) to you? i'd just as easily blame config + complexity first.
2003[18:37:27] <r3> "display turns black and the system freezes" - from experience, it sounds like badly behaved drivers contesting memory or attempting to clear resources that are, in fact, being used elsewhere.
2008[18:39:27] <msiism> mnuhmnuh: no, i see nothing at all there. but i could have a look into xorgs log files.
2009[18:40:14] <GreatEmerald> Hm, looks like in order to get multiarch working with gcc-8-base, the release version needs to match as well?
2010[18:40:15] <r3> you've multiple processes, protected mode memory access (or similar) for each shell, I would think, but then only one video resource. If the driver isn't handling the resource sharing well, it could freak out the whole system, pointers to addresses that have been freed, or who knows.
2011[18:41:06] <GreatEmerald> I have 8.1.0-3 and 8.1.0-1
2015[18:42:11] <epergny> msiism: are you sure it freezes or is it just the display that's frozen? In the past, on 32 bits system, there used to a very convenient that'd reset the display. You could call it remotely by, say, SSH. And then it'd unfreeze the system.
2022[18:43:36] <epergny> msiism: it's been I long time I haven't used these because everything is so stable now but this used to saved my days often in the past : )
2023[18:44:46] <msiism> epergny: ok, let me burn the cd for my older laptop and then i can check that out.
2031[18:47:34] <epergny> msiism: it's been a while so I don't remember the gory details but I'm 100% positive I could unlock frozen X using SysMagicRQ and then resetting the GPU by typing "in the dark" or over SSH. But, yeah, I used to run several X sessions back in the days. I clearly remember on CRT monitors I was running several X simultaneously at various screen size.
2040[18:50:10] <msiism> epergny: i though, if it "feezes", i could try to switch to an unused tty blindly, log in as root and then run "reboot" and see what happens.
2041[18:50:14] <mnuhmnuh> epergny: geez, just get a 8gb usbkey and "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX" - re-usable, works great.
2050[18:53:22] <msiism> epergny: i'm using cd-rw, though.
2051[18:53:23] <epergny> mnuhmnuh: so as I explained a while ago here: I can re-create the iso from the CD/DVD I just burned and see if the ISO matches the cryptographic checksum signed by the Debian team.
2085[19:03:02] <mnuhmnuh> dark side haxx0rz are a myth. they're really all off trying to flummox banks, atms, and iot, not your cheapie 32 bit handhelp pos.
2086[19:03:31] <mnuhmnuh> s/handhelp/handheld/
2087[19:03:44] <RM982> I want to uninstall some gnome stuff I don't use like evolution, I do apt remove evolution* and apt says it will also remove gnome-shell, gdm3 and other unrelated packages, why is that?
2095[19:07:01] <mnuhmnuh> RM982: only solution: only install what you want. tell the installer to only do base system, then drag in what you want manually; that works, but you need to know what you're doing.
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2097[19:08:04] <mnuhmnuh> RM982: dependencies the packaging system needs to abide by.
2098[19:08:49] <mnuhmnuh> RM982: X, then *DM + X + window mgr + ...
2107[19:11:45] <msiism> RM982: it's more a question of what upstream and packaging make depend on what, afaik.
2108[19:12:04] <epergny> RM982: Gnome is quite the kitchen sink IMO. I just run a tiling WM and don't bother with icons and stuff. "apt-get install awesome awesome-extra".
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2116[19:16:11] <kot> also, uninstalling components of metapackages can make using autoremove very dangerous. but bloated de's like gnome and kde have their own absurd dependency problems.
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2158[19:44:19] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: snap apps I belive are statically linked and should work on any linux distro (that is there design) and stretch has snapd to install them.
2159[19:44:35] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: though the actually snap packages are not supported by debian, and if they don't work, you'll have to report bugs to the creater of the package.
2160[19:45:29] <NetTerminalGene> i read that they found cryptominer in ubuntu snapp store
2179[19:55:08] <msiism> r3, mnuhmnuh, epergny: testing running two X sessions on a laptop with non-intel graphics hardware results in exactly the behavior that has been reported in debian bug #834270.
2182[19:55:48] <msiism> so, it seems with the intel hw, there might be a driver bug on top if that.
2183[19:56:30] <somiaj> msiism: it is prefered you ask testing/unstable question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
2184[19:57:04] <AlexPortable> I'm trying to share a folder (/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck.. mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty
2185[19:57:29] <msiism> somiaj: if i'm not mistaken, debian 9 is stable, isn't it?
2186[19:57:48] <somiaj> msiism: oh sorry, I thought you were running testing.
2191[19:59:14] <epergny> msiism: or more simply: does the machine still answer to ping
2192[19:59:22] <msiism> epergny: it only crashed X now.
2193[19:59:33] <somiaj> msiism: anyways, this seems to be a fairly specific bug, with little info. You could try to add to it, and due to how specific it is, it may not warnent a fix in stretch. Does this happen if you say use gdm or some other method to launch multiple xessions (not using startx)?
2194[19:59:35] <epergny> msiism: so you can relaunch X without restarting the machine?
2195[20:00:26] <msiism> somiaj: tbh, i think this is actually a relese critical bug, ind i'm indeed a bit stunned that it would occur in a debian stable release (no offense).
2196[20:00:34] <epergny> msiism: you're scaring me now. I don't dare to try (12 "awesome WM" workspaces here, with lots of stuff open).
2197[20:01:21] <epergny> msiism: wait, what about VT3?
2198[20:02:01] <msiism> epergny: let me check
2199[20:02:03] <epergny> msiism: ok you got me, I'm trying on my laptop
2200[20:02:14] <msiism> epergny: thanks
2201[20:02:43] <somiaj> msiism: I wouldn't call it an rc bug as it only affects a rare use case, and I wouldn't want such a bug preventing the release. Have you tried a newer kernel? And are you using the modesetting driver or the intel driver in xorg?
2202[20:03:21] <somiaj> msiism: note, not all rc bugs can be fixed in a reasonable amount of time, though unsure why this one didn't get much attention, again it just might be that not many run multiple xsessions this way.
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2207[20:03:49] <epergny> msiism: cannot reproduce. a) I start X from VT1 b) I do (as root) "chvt 2" c) I log in to vt2 (same user account that started x) d) I exit vt2
2208[20:03:55] <epergny> msiism: this brings me back to X
2209[20:04:01] <epergny> msiism: not VT1 btw
2210[20:04:02] <mnuhmnuh> msiism: "non-intel graphics hardware" == "nvidia", or are there alternatives? [i avoid nvidia (not a gamer; don't need).]
2211[20:04:10] <epergny> OUCH
2212[20:04:12] <epergny> frak no
2213[20:04:23] <epergny> msiism: this brought me back to X but it's actually frozen too!
2214[20:04:25] <epergny> msiism: wow
2215[20:04:27] <epergny> wow
2216[20:04:28] <somiaj> msiism: anyways, if you find more info about this bug, please add to teh bug report.
2225[20:05:36] <msiism> epergny: same here with the older laptop. just X crashed.
2226[20:05:53] <somiaj> epergny: there was a bug in testing/unstable where even just exiting from bash caused this issue, wonder if that is the actual culprit, and there are ways to stop this.
2240[20:09:48] <epergny> ok apparently logging in to VT2 as any user besides root and then typing "exit" sends me back to a frozen X.
2241[20:10:14] <epergny> but logging to VT2 as root and then typing "exit" leaves me at VT2, with X still fine if I ctrl+alt+F1 to it.
2242[20:10:18] <somiaj> yea, still trying to track down the bug, bash has a command that gets run when it exits in a tty that is the culprit, and you can prvent this. But having trouble finding it.
2243[20:10:38] <msiism> somiaj: ok, interesting.
2244[20:10:39] <epergny> judd: I've got only one X server running though.
2252[20:11:59] <msiism> or you could edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf
2253[20:12:04] <somiaj> !xorg root
2254[20:12:04] <dpkg> From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards (xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root, reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to ~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X.
2255[20:12:42] <msiism> to contain "needs_root_rights=yes"
2260[20:13:48] <somiaj> arg, I wish I could find the issue with bash. There is some hook that when bash exits a tty it runs a command that 'refreshes' the display, and this seems to cause xorg to crash, you can disable this, but I can't find it.
2272[20:17:02] <somiaj> msiism: yea, I think the issue is something in bash, not xorg. This was a bug talked about in debian next a while ago, but I can't find the bug report. There is some thing debian is doing when bash exits the tty that conficlts with xorg
2273[20:18:13] <epergny> somiaj: I'll try changing from bash to zsh
2280[20:18:40] <somiaj> when bash exits a tty it runs the command /usr/bin/clear_console, and that could be the culprit.
2281[20:19:15] <msiism> somiaj: i see. thanks. now, how can this be prevented?
2282[20:19:29] <somiaj> that that bug report says it is only with non root xorg, I would double check that your xorg-lecagcy was actually running xorg.
2299[20:24:28] <somiaj> maybe find what is triggering running clear_console, or just move the binary and turn it into a script that just runs 'exit 0'
2300[20:24:29] <r3> could alias clear_console to something else? ;)
2301[20:24:42] <msiism> somiaj: running clear_console from tty2 when running X in tty1 does not crash X (setuid root). let me check with X run as normal user.
2302[20:24:45] <somiaj> unsure if an alais would work
2303[20:24:47] <r3> or, yeah, move it and put a script in there
2304[20:24:59] <r3> good find, well done all
2305[20:25:33] <somiaj> well I just recall this exact issue form #debian-next, but it took me a while to find the actual cuplrit
2308[20:26:59] <msiism> also, running clear_console from tty2 when X is on tty1 and xorg is not setuid root, X does not crash.
2309[20:27:43] <epergny> or just modify ~/.bash_logout to not call clear_console?
2310[20:27:47] <epergny> I'll try
2311[20:28:00] <somiaj> hmm, maybe it is a combo of running clear_console during the exit, but when this issue came up before that was what the issue was tracked down too, and as epergny pointed out, it doesn't happen in zsh
2312[20:28:42] <msiism> somiaj: right, i might try another shell as well. but how would i set another login shell?
2313[20:28:49] <msiism> i have csh installed.
2314[20:29:08] <somiaj> unsure the best way to set your other login shell outside of editing /etc/passwd
2315[20:29:35] <msiism> well, i can edit that, it's no prblem.
2316[20:30:32] <epergny> msiism: "apt-get install zsh" then you edit /etc/passwd
2317[20:30:55] <msiism> epergny: i'm trying with csh now.
2318[20:30:57] <abrotman> chsh ?
2319[20:31:16] <msiism> c-shell
2320[20:31:19] <epergny> I just modified ~/.bash_logout to not call clear console and apparently it stays at VT2 and doesn't freeze X anymore
2333[20:37:24] <epergny> msiism: it's somiaj you can thank ; )
2334[20:37:33] <msiism> somiaj: thanks.
2335[20:37:41] <epergny> somiaj: you've got a good memory and your google-fu is strong ^ ^
2336[20:37:47] <abrotman> if you typo the shell when manually editing, it could create a problem. chsh will ensure it's in /etc/shells (meaning it's currently installed)
2338[20:38:18] <epergny> abrotman: msiism: ah yup what abrotman says is right
2339[20:39:21] <AlexPortable> I'm trying to share a folder (/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck.. mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty
2365[20:48:26] <msiism> somiaj: i'll try to reply to the bug report from 2016 with a short version of what has been discussed here in the next days.
2366[20:49:01] <somiaj> msiism: also maybe see if it still a problem in buster, and follow up on the bash bugreport. I doubt you'll see a fix in stretch, but that could help ensure it gets fixed in buster.
2369[20:50:11] <mnuhmnuh> abrotman: i don't hate you ab, i only hate your tyrannical side, and you've learned, which is all i can expect from a despot. enjoy. :-)
2370[20:50:19] <somiaj> It might already be fixed in buster, since this came up in #debian-next last year sometime, but be nice to double check.
2371[20:50:33] <msiism> ok
2372[20:50:40] <AlexPortable> abrotman: well when i go to it without the chroot, i can access it just fine
2373[20:51:08] <abrotman> AlexPortable: ls -la /opt/folder1/
2375[20:51:15] <somiaj> mnuhmnuh: that is just unappropriate, espically in public. You do need to watch what you actually decide to share in chat, and try to add to conversations, not just make off-handed comments.
2376[20:51:43] <AlexPortable> drwxrwx--x
2377[20:52:05] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: you're way too sensitive.
2402[21:05:19] <epergny> mnuhmnuh: I like your style.
2403[21:05:59] <epergny> mnuhmnuh: also cool when installing from CD/DVD: when it stops spinning you know there's probably some answer to give to some question ^ ^
2640[23:58:35] <alive876_> hello, i would like to install a package to a pen drive as my internal storage is filled, is there a way to do this? thanks much
2644[23:59:50] <somiaj> packages are integrated into what is know as the FHS, and things need to be put in multiple places. You should figure out what is taking up your space and try to recover some of the storage.