85[00:21:09] <cef> squarecircle: that startup issue is due to a security fix for CVE-2018-1108. See debian bugs 897599, 897632, 897917 and 898021. Simple workaround for the moment: Wiggle your mouse a lot (adds entropy).
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87[00:21:36] <nezZario> Are you alluding that it doesn't look like a fsck is going to fix this or just merely suggesting?
91[00:22:39] <Azrael_-> nezZario: i have no clue what the current state of your system is. i just remembered the few occasions where my system wasn't able to recognize any filesystem any more, no matter what i tried. (software and hardware errors) and with those tools i was able to recover a lot of my personal data
92[00:23:30] * cef pings jelly, booyah, rant - The above is what causes the delays at boot. You'll probably be seeing a lot more complaints about it. :/
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94[00:24:04] <nezZario> Fair enough, thanks for the suggestion because I _amz concerned fsck isn't going to cover this :l
95[00:24:11] <karlpinc> nezZario: Can't seem to access your image above.
96[00:24:46] <Azrael_-> nezZario: if there is important data fsck can even do harm. just decide for yourself
97[00:25:31] <cef> stacu: Your delay at boot is probably related to the fix for CVE-2018-1108 too.
98[00:25:56] <nezZario> Erg, sorry, I'm on mobile I'm going to have to dig a charger up for an old laptop. It simply says: error: unknown file system\n Entering rescue mode\n grub rescue>
99[00:26:04] <karlpinc> Azrael_-: nezZario: Not necessarly true that fsck can do no harm. If your drive is dying then you want to dd it somewhere and _then_ do recovery. On a 2nd copy.
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101[00:26:46] <Azrael_-> live cd and checking smart-values...
102[00:27:17] <nezZario> I have 2x ssd's in here. I don't think it's a failure. I'm guessing that the machine got hard powered off suddenly at a really bad time.
107[00:29:41] <tytan> hello everyone, do you think it's a bad idea to install debian root on zfs?
108[00:29:44] <Azrael_-> karlpinc: that bad? thought the filesystems+os would be able to cover those cases today?
109[00:30:01] <karlpinc> nezZario: SSDs re-write already written data, and not necessarly data anywhere "near" the data being written in the file system. So all kinds of data can get trashed when power goes out during a write.
110[00:30:29] <nezZario> I've had to reinstall before due to a sudden power outage. Good to know it's specific to ssds
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112[00:30:52] <nezZario> I am investing in a damn ups, for real
115[00:31:22] <karlpinc> A UPS is critical for SSDs. I also like the idea of "dmsetup cache" with a spinning drive behind the SSDs.
116[00:31:23] <Azrael_-> ups? just invested into a san for backups, ups isn't available in the near future
117[00:31:44] <karlpinc> !ups
118[00:31:45] <dpkg> Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) is a device containing a battery and circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. Ask me about <nut>, <apcupsd>, or apparently teh nu kewl speling of oops, or THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY
119[00:32:16] <tytan> ok, thanks. I use them on server but not on workstations
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122[00:33:14] <Azrael_-> i know i have already asked it a few times but always forgotten the answer: what backup can you suggest for linux+windows? (at best also for barebone-restore)
123[00:33:20] <karlpinc> nezZario: Look into "debsums" after getting your box back up. A fsck will fix the file system but not necessarly recover the data. (And there's always that crazy idea where you do what's called "backing up" your system. ;-)
124[00:33:26] <nezZario> Also tytan: depends. You may want to look into btrfs - it probably has better support in Linux specifically and similar but not one to one feature set. Would I use zfs on a production server? No. A well backed up workstation? Maybe if I really needed it
126[00:34:40] <nezZario> I used zfs on a real backup server once and never had an issue but it wasn't the OS mount
127[00:35:42] <tytan> nezZario: I was a FreeBSD guy for many years and I try to switch to linux now. ZFS is a must for my work now. If I get some linux distribution with root on zfs without risc it would make my life a lot easier. I'm afraid a simple kernel update makes my system unbootable
130[00:36:24] <dpkg> [cve-2018-1108] a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot time, which delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. This can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login (depending on setup). Short term workaround: Wiggle your mouse (introduces entropy) to shorten the delay.
131[00:36:40] <karlpinc> nezZario: "Bad stuff" on power failure is not limited to SSDs. You can be in the middle of re-writing a file, say, on a spinning platter and trash the file when the power goes out. You won't generally trash a journaled file system though. And damage on spinning drives is limited to what ever files in the file systems are being written.
132[00:36:42] <nezZario> I too was a freebsd guy for many years.. But are you sure btrfs won't suffice?
133[00:37:32] <nezZario> I think just about all btrfs is missing as far as major features is block dedup. Maybe I'm wrong though.
134[00:38:15] <tytan> nezZario: I already manage huge storage pools running ZFS this is why I try to stick to ZFS. But to be honest on root I'm mostly interested in snapshots and zfs send | recv ... which btrs can do just as well now
135[00:38:24] <karlpinc> tytan: You can use zfs on Debian but you need to enable the non-free repo, I think. The ZFS license requires that it be compiled by you. IIRC. There is a Debian package that does this.
136[00:38:36] <nezZario> karlpinc: trust me, it sucks. At this point I could probably talk my company into buying me a ups especially if this results in another reinstall.
142[00:39:57] <karlpinc> tytan: If you partition and format your drives before installing you can install Debian's root fs on zfs. (Can't say how much it sucks.)
143[00:40:05] <nezZario> Anyways I appreciate all the suggestions I've got to go find a laptop charger and a couple USB drives at least. Wish me luck
144[00:40:28] <karlpinc> tytan: There's also LVM. You can do snapshots with that using any fs.
145[00:40:42] <tytan> nezZario: currently I use Debian 9 on a small NVMe SSD with just UEFI boot, swap, root and home. The rest is all ZFS
146[00:40:57] <tytan> karlpinc: trust me, a ZFS snapshot is different ^^
147[00:41:22] <nezZario> Btrfs isn't though
148[00:41:26] <karlpinc> tytan: I believe you. (Ah, the sad story of ZFS and Sun....)
152[00:42:27] <tytan> I could run KVM/QEMU VM's on a ZFS snapshot and just hourly snapshot that dataset and rollback to it without any problems or inconsistency. It also is easy to manage
154[00:43:26] <tytan> Azrael_-: I don't know how LVM does it, but ZFS works with copy on write on block level. LVM can't do that with traditional file systems
155[00:44:06] <karlpinc> tytan: Why not? LVM and dm are block level.
160[00:47:37] <tytan> karlpinc: do you know the syntax to do a snapshot and rollback? I guess it's a lot harder than on ZFS
161[00:47:42] <karlpinc> tytan: I recall some nice magic built into zfs, but don't remember what. But I thought that's exactly how LVM snapshots worked. Maybe it has to do with open/close files? LVM continues to write open files to the snapshot, and to the "regular disk". It's only when all files open when the snapshot was taken are closed that the snapshot is no longer written to. At least that's my recollection, haven't thought about it in a long time.
197[01:04:32] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
198[01:04:44] <KindaNoob> I setted up new network card and it grabs interface name
199[01:04:57] <KindaNoob> So now I have 2 cards
200[01:05:08] <KindaNoob> and I dunno how to switch their names
201[01:05:31] <KindaNoob> I have change values in interfaces
202[01:05:32] <jim> do you want to change their names? or use the other name?
209[01:06:44] <karlpinc> KindaNoob: The right answer is to see the wiki page and use the new name.
210[01:06:44] <KindaNoob> and new one is't event connected
211[01:06:50] <karlpinc> !interfaces
212[01:06:50] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
265[01:17:16] <jim> now, which interface on your machine goes to which?
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267[01:17:22] <ryouma> my 2008 dell bios lists my external drive first in the boot sequence, but it does not boot from it. i tried gpt + bios boot partition, then converted to mbr and set the bootable flag. is it possible that this bios only boots from cd or internal drive, despite listing the device?
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276[01:20:09] <KindaNoob> I re-plug switch-cable to enpls9 and yes, now I can
277[01:20:35] <jim> ok, keep it there temporarily... gonna do a couple things with it
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279[01:21:10] <cef> ryouma: some bioses have options to stop you booting from external devices (like USB). might be buried somewhere else in the bios like security, booot options, etc.
285[01:22:28] <ryouma> cef: looked all over for that. somebody on ##hardware is telling me that, despite being listed in teh boot sequence, NO external drive can be expected to boot a machine that old (ca. 2008)
286[01:22:43] <jim> back in a few mins
287[01:23:40] <cef> ryouma: it's possible. I've hard that you can sometimes 'if' you use a cd image on the device. USB booting wasn't that common before 2008, but some systems did have it.
288[01:23:57] <cef> hard => heard
289[01:24:43] <ryouma> hmm, my whole idea here is to have my running debian system work on this thing that i'd just plug in. idk what contortions i'd have to go through to use iso to achieve that
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291[01:26:01] <cef> ryouma: does it have a cdrom? You could possibly make a cdrom that "boots" the external drive for you. Not really a clean solution tho, and I personally don't know what would be involved.
294[01:27:04] <ryouma> cef: i have heard of such a thing, and would be delighted to do it. idk the details though.
295[01:28:09] <ryouma> my idea is, this flash drive would contain a snapshot of my running debian system. then, if an upgrade to stretch is disastrous, i can just transfer it back to the internal drive and don('t have to reinstall anything. i have that all set up already.
296[01:28:26] <ryouma> (and to get stuff done i can just boot to it)
297[01:28:35] <ryouma> (i have accessibility issues with live cds)
318[01:37:44] <jim> KindaNoob, what do you get for: ls /etc/network/interfaces.d/* | wc -l
319[01:37:55] <cef> ryouma: I found ref to it in (of all things) a youtube video. the plopkexec one says it does pretty much just (nothing extra like the full version does), and seems to be the one most recently built (2016). It's also the smallest ISO out of the lot (@ 6MB)
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333[01:42:55] <KindaNoob> I'm already in that dir so I just "ls -CF *"
334[01:43:03] <KindaNoob> is it meaningful?
335[01:43:11] <ryouma> cef: thank you very much. i don't suppose there is any means of verifying it? this would be the first non-debian (i.e. non-signed) package i have ever used.
336[01:43:31] <KindaNoob> ah\
337[01:43:34] <KindaNoob> my bad
338[01:43:41] <jim> well it tells me we can't paste that listing into the channel, it's too big...
339[01:43:52] <KindaNoob> 24 then 17
340[01:44:15] <ryouma> cef: o
341[01:44:26] <cef> ryouma: there's an md5sum file on the download page, but other than that, not that I'm aware.
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343[01:44:33] <jim> ok, can you pastebin the ls -CF listing?
344[01:44:59] <ryouma> cef: i'm guessing here, but does it boot a tiny little linux distro that then chroots to your usb or something?
345[01:45:19] <jim> I guess there are a -lot- of files in ther
346[01:45:26] <cef> ryouma: there could be others. the things to google for are stuff like "CD Chainload", "boot USB from CD" and "USB kexec"
350[01:46:09] <cef> ryouma: it either chainloads it using the bootloader, or more likely it's using the kexec functionality in the kernel to start the new kernel (the one on your USB).
351[01:46:10] <jim> wait :)
352[01:46:29] <KindaNoob> ls -a returns only . and ..
353[01:46:37] <cef> ryouma: so you definitely end up running the same debian kernel, etc.
363[01:48:57] <cef> ok, off to work. *sigh* have fun people.
364[01:49:16] <cef> !CVE-2018-1108
365[01:49:16] <dpkg> hmm... cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot time, which delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. This can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login (depending on setup). Short term workaround: Wiggle your mouse (introduces entropy) to shorten the delay.
366[01:49:20] <KindaNoob> I've read that I should add some file like 1-user-udev.rules
367[01:49:44] <KindaNoob> and set all config for network cards in it
368[01:49:46] <cef> ^^ if people complain their computers hang at bootup for a while, direct them at this.
369[01:49:59] <KindaNoob> you know, MAC->name
370[01:50:02] <jim> KindaNoob, when you look at ls -CF /etc/network/interfaces.d | wc -l before, you say you're getting like 15 lines...
371[01:50:18] <KindaNoob> yeah, I was mistaken
372[01:50:20] <KindaNoob> my bad
373[01:50:30] <KindaNoob> 24 without -CF and 17 with -CF
374[01:50:33] <jim> so there's nothing in that dir?
375[01:50:48] <KindaNoob> I can't see anything
376[01:50:58] <KindaNoob> it returns caret and that's all
377[01:51:15] <cef> jim: just get him to pastebin `ls -CF /etc/network/interfaces.d` then. :P
378[01:51:32] <KindaNoob> nothing, guys
379[01:51:44] <KindaNoob> nothing to pastebin
380[01:52:41] <cef> KindaNoob: weird, cos if there's nothing there, `wc -l` on that should return 0
381[01:52:43] <jim> ok, so there's no interface definitions
382[01:53:10] <cef> KindaNoob: `ls -CF /etc/network/interfaces.d | wc -l` - you did include the | yes?
383[01:53:19] <KindaNoob> yea, sure
384[01:53:29] <KindaNoob> Without it I won't get number
385[01:53:34] <jim> that's the bottom line... nothing in that dir, and no interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces...
386[01:53:46] <KindaNoob> yep
387[01:53:48] <jim> howcome the interface is up :)
388[01:53:49] <cef> jim: probably using NetworkManager
396[01:55:54] <jim> umm, network-manager has many forms, one of them is a little applet where you can connect interfaces to networks using a graphical interface
397[01:56:38] <jim> how did you tell your debian on your computer about your interfaces? or did it just boot that way?
398[01:56:46] <KindaNoob> I think yes, I use GUI based tool for configuring network
400[01:57:53] <jim> (or it could be one of maybe 2 or 3 others, wicd is one)
401[01:59:22] <jim> the bottom line here... if you want to switch the interface you're using, you can deal with the gui tool, or you can add stuff to /etc/network/interfaces
402[01:59:31] <ryouma> cef: do you know if it then matters whether the drive is gpt or mbr? i'm guessing it wouldn't matter in the case of plop etc.
403[01:59:52] <KindaNoob> ok, will try second option
404[01:59:58] <KindaNoob> but later, I should work now
405[02:00:03] <jim> ok, one sec
406[02:00:16] <KindaNoob> yep
407[02:00:40] <michael2> hi, does anyone know how urxvt-unicode chooses the browser to launch when a link is clicked?
408[02:00:54] <jim> you say you get the address statically? not DHCP?
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415[02:05:16] <jim> KindaNoob, take a look at this: replaced-url
416[02:05:42] <engys> Hi, did anybody else getting problems on Debian Jessie to restart libvirt vm's after updating kernel? One vm works fine but every additional vm on the same bridge will result in an error -> "Cannot get interface MAC on vnet%d"
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432[02:11:11] <jim> one small consequence of putting the interface definitions in the interfaces file... from then on, network-manager will ignore those interfaces entirely
452[02:21:49] <somiaj> well I would start by sharing your .xml file for your vm, and lets check what the network is configured as. To me it sounds like some configuration issue on setting up the mac address for the virtual network card.
453[02:21:52] <engys> ok bridge name is set correctly
482[02:43:26] <tw> ryouma: what, like kexec just before doing the acpi reboot, or you want to just hard kexec immediately without shutting down services?
483[02:43:59] <KindaNoob> was distracted by others, sorry, I will try it later this day
485[02:45:10] <jim> ok, you should comment out those sections for now, if you boot, they'll change things, and you might not be able to figure out what it did right away
486[02:46:02] <jim> other than that, ok, good enough
493[02:50:29] <engys> somiaj: to some reaason I have vnet0 as interface and virt-manager try to use this to build up its own br0 but br0 is already exsiting I did not need vnet0
506[03:01:24] <nezZario> So I'm sincerely not trying to bait here. But is there something about extfs that makes it more vulnerable to corruption from sudden power loss than say ntfs? I've had so many issues with corruption due to sudden power loss
507[03:02:46] <nezZario> Or is it just because I haven't used windows in so long I really never have used windows and ssd's for any serious period of time (this is a possibly)
510[03:11:02] <ryouma> tw: i want to be running debian, and go to a command line, and switch immediately to booting from an external hard drive that my system cannot boot because it is too old. plop allows you to do that from an iso. i wanted to konw if i can do it from teh commadn line.
515[03:12:44] <ryouma> nezZario: rebuilding from journal is not the same thing as corruption, of course. if you are getting corruption, by all means report it as a bug!
519[03:13:59] <ryouma> tw: the only bug i have ever found in ext (2, 3, 4) is when i put a ton of files in a directory. that corrupted ext3 in 2002 or so.
520[03:14:38] <nezZario> Ryouma: I had a sudden loss of power and now it doesn't even recognize it as an ext partition. Haven't fsck'd yet. Getting a bootable usb
521[03:14:50] <nezZario> This has happened a few times.
552[03:31:07] <michael2> If Im running gnome-desktop environment and I want to remove firefox-esr and replace it with some other browser. aptitude refuses to remove 'firefox-esr' because gnome-desktop depends on it - am I good to go ahead and force remove "firefox-esr" ?
553[03:31:08] <ryouma> nezZario: mdadm is an extra layer that could introduce issues
554[03:31:09] <somiaj> also you keep saying vnet0, shouldn't the second vm be using vnet1? (I only know a little about this, and just comparing what you have to what is working here, though I'm running stretch)
555[03:31:49] <somiaj> michael2: you don't have to remove it, you could just use another browser.
556[03:32:03] <engys> somiaj: they are all using their own mac address
560[03:32:47] <burtproblem> hey guys, im trying to install windows using a second hdd as the install source, how do i get the hdd to boot (how can i install the boot sector) from a debian system?
564[03:34:07] <engys> somiaj: I have another machine on stretch and this one work without any problem
565[03:34:11] <KindaNoob> jim
566[03:34:18] <KindaNoob> It doesn't work
567[03:34:22] <somiaj> engys: I'll see if I can see anything there, but this statement kinda confuses me, 'br0 is already existing i did not need vnet0' -- and the answer is yes you need vnet0, you need a virtual network card for each vm, they just all use the bridge to access the network. So you'll have br0, and vnet? for each vm running.
568[03:34:22] <engys> and with jessie this problem is new
573[03:35:35] <somiaj> michael2: try using apt remove firefox-esr, this will not remove auto isntalled packages, but it will then list a whole lot of packages that you it things you want removed. You'll then have to go mark manual (with apt-mark) some smaller meta packages for gnome to keep apt from thining you want to remove all of gnoem.
574[03:36:18] <somiaj> engys: I'm unsure what it could be, but not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Maybe it is an issue with jessie, or maybe you have some small issue in your configuration that is hiding somewhere (though as you said it was working then stopped).
575[03:36:33] <somiaj> I don't have any jessie machines I can test this on.
576[03:37:03] <michael2> somiaj: aptitude just gives other suggestions like install some other browser that would satisfy the gnome desktop dependency - I dont reaally want any of those suggestion
625[03:46:22] <jim> ok, what happens if you do: /etc/init.d/networking restart
626[03:46:24] <somiaj> michael2: remove firefox-esr will remove the metapackage for the gnome desktop. This is the package that is 'holding in' all the gnome packages, since almost all of them will be auto, apt will think since you removed the main meta package you don't want those packages either.
627[03:47:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1560
628[03:47:13] <somiaj> michael2: apt will only let you know that it thinks you want to remove these packages (aptitude will try to deal with them). But there are smaller metapackages for gnome that don't depend on firefox-esr. Just mark one of these as manual, and then apt won't think you awnt to remove all of gnome.
629[03:47:30] <KindaNoob> Failed because the control process exited with error code
630[03:48:10] <KindaNoob> see "systemctl status networking.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details
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639[03:49:55] <michael2> somiaj: what I was thinking of doing was removing "firefox-esr" and leaving "gnome-desktop" in a state of having an unresolved dependency, rather that try and remove all of gnome-desktop - whcih is huge
642[03:50:13] <somiaj> michael2: that is not what you want to do, first does apt remove firefox-esr work?
643[03:50:17] <Namll> anyone here have success with virtualbox on debian 9? I installed it with the stretch-backports in the server.list, but when I try to start virtualbox i get an error. I've tried the reseources found from searching my error. They all just said to purge remove the package, and try from a fresh start. It does not seem to work. replaced-url
644[03:50:17] <Namll>
645[03:50:17] <Namll>
646[03:50:20] <Namll>
647[03:50:43] <somiaj> michael2: second I will need some output, but I will be able to help make it work. The way you are going is not the proper way to do this.
648[03:50:48] <KindaNoob> interface enpls3 not configured
649[03:50:54] <michael2> somiaj: ok, I didn't try `apt remove..' Ill try it now
651[03:51:34] <somiaj> Namll: do you have the linux-headers for your kernel installed and did you install the virtualbox-kernel-dkms package installed?
652[03:51:42] <KindaNoob> failed to bring up enpls3
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682[03:56:33] <somiaj> michael2: hmm, this is quite strange. I'm not quite sure what is going on. Lets do some digging. Output of 'aptitude why firefox-esr'
684[03:57:15] <jim> maybe you might be misspelling the interface names... that l in both names, is it an l or a 1?
685[03:57:22] <Namll> somiaj: ok, ill check the modprobe, this is what i have with dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms "Job for virtualbox.service failed because the control process exited with error code."
688[03:58:26] <somiaj> Namll: it might be you need to turn on the configuration to share your cpu with guest in your bios. This is usually off by default.
710[04:01:40] <somiaj> michael2: lets try to remove the metapackages gnome and gnome-core first. apt remove gnome gnome-core (does that only remove those two packages?)
712[04:02:08] <KindaNoob> I can ping others machines in my network
713[04:02:24] <jim> try this: ping 8.8.8.8
714[04:02:25] <michael2> somiaj: that wont remove programs off my system right? seems dangerous?
715[04:02:28] <KindaNoob> but seams DNS doesn't work
716[04:02:45] <jim> we will get ther
717[04:02:47] <jim> e
718[04:03:00] <KindaNoob> ok, what if I have more than one DNS?
719[04:03:09] <somiaj> michael2: they are just meta packages. apt won't remove other stuff (but you always have the change to say y/n, only say y if it is only going to remove those two packages)
720[04:03:17] <KindaNoob> What syntax?
721[04:03:24] <KindaNoob> dns-nameserver ip1 ip2?
722[04:03:28] <jim> well, we'll get to dns in a moment
723[04:03:49] <jim> that doesn't work until you have resolvconf installed
724[04:04:04] <jim> it's a apt package
725[04:04:21] <jim> can you ping: 8.8.8.8
726[04:04:35] <KindaNoob> as I said, ping is restricted
727[04:04:39] <KindaNoob> only LAN
728[04:04:58] <KindaNoob> should I instal that resolveconf?
729[04:05:31] <jim> without the e, yes... but you have to have net to get that
739[04:07:10] <jim> well let's see, could you try: dpkg -s resolvconf
740[04:07:18] <jim> it's going to be a lot of outptu
741[04:07:50] <KindaNoob> dpkg not installed
742[04:07:50] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, KindaNoob
743[04:08:35] <michael2> somiaj: can you tell me what your plan is? removing those packages seems major? It will leave huge amount of packaging in "auto" installed state right?
744[04:08:42] <jim> wait... you don't have dpkg?
745[04:09:01] <jim> or you don't have resolvconf?
746[04:09:13] <michael2> if you dont have dpkg - your probably not using debian :)
747[04:09:35] <KindaNoob> dpkg-query: package "resolvconf" not intalled
753[04:10:16] <somiaj> michael2: we will then go mark some other core packages as manual until apt is satsified and doens't think things need to be removed.
756[04:11:14] <somiaj> michael2: but since apt won't just remove these packages, we can get the package requring you to have a browser off your system so you can remove firefox, then we will look at what is listed and find some more packages to mark as manual so apt won't think you don't want that software anymore.
757[04:11:25] <jim> ok, -now- try a reboot... if you have that auto line in there, it should put the interface up
759[04:11:53] <somiaj> michael2: really metapackages don't do anything except pull in groups of packages and hold them in via the manual/auto flags. Your system will work just fine without them, we'll just have to do a bit more work.
760[04:11:58] <KindaNoob> rebooting
761[04:12:05] <jim> also make sure in interfaces file, the IP addresses are "spelled" correctly
762[04:12:06] <somiaj> michael2: and since you do not want to have a browser installed, you will have to remove gnome-core.
777[04:15:40] <michael2> somiaj: ok so, basically we remove `gnome' and `gnome-core' - but I *dont* want to remove their auto-depencies. Then we will mark those auto-dependencies as "manual"
796[04:18:44] <jim> howbout this... put one of the dns servers in the dns-nameservers line
797[04:18:56] <KindaNoob> I mean, in windows I shouln't specify server
798[04:19:03] <KindaNoob> already
799[04:19:09] <somiaj> michael2: it appears that it is gnome-core wanting the browser. My hope is after you remove gnome core you can remove firefox-esr as desired (note you could just leave it installed and not use it if you think that is easier, other wise we keep going down the rabit hole and figure out the dependenies manually since apt isn't figuring out the situation for you)
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807[04:20:19] <KindaNoob> nope
808[04:20:28] <KindaNoob> none of our machines use DHCP
809[04:20:37] <michael2> somiaj: I can run debtree now and just try find the package that depends on browser directly ?
810[04:20:43] <jim> what did you tell windows about the net connection?
811[04:21:07] <somiaj> michael2: I think it is gnome-core, and no matter what that needs to be removed. You could try that if you want. This is the way I would go, just because it is the way I know.
812[04:21:19] <KindaNoob> same stuff but with different ip
813[04:21:22] <somiaj> !tell michael2 about equivs
814[04:21:45] <jim> different IP? how come?
815[04:21:56] <somiaj> michael2: if all else fails you could also try that factiod I sent you, and make yoru system think firefox-esr is installed, though I would suggest the route I sent you down, to keep your dependencies and apt clean.
816[04:22:09] <KindaNoob> well, different because it's different machine
874[04:33:17] <jim> what version of debian do you have?
875[04:33:43] <KindaNoob> what command?
876[04:33:58] <jim> cat /etc/debian_version
877[04:34:23] <KindaNoob> 9.1
878[04:34:59] <jim> ok, what apt mirror do you use (should be in /etc/apt/sources.list)
879[04:35:31] <somiaj> michael2: back, feel free to bounce ideas off of me, but I think you see the direction I was heading and might be able to get it yourself.
966[04:55:18] <somiaj> michael2: yea, this might require more than I thought. It is a shame that gnome-core depends on a browser these days. Anyways, I would avoid marking libs as manual, but lets start with a few, 'apt-mark manual gnome-themes-standard' as starters, after this you can then see what else is listed, then rinse and repeate.
967[04:55:21] <KindaNoob> aliexpress.com
968[04:55:48] <KindaNoob> I mean, from browser
969[04:56:09] <somiaj> michael2: then you coudl say do 'apt upgrade', and it should give you that list again, and slowly go through and mark the main packages (not libs) as manual. You won't need to do this to all, but I think you'll have to do it to quite a few.
970[04:56:13] <jim> oh, so your browser is working?
971[04:56:29] <KindaNoob> yep
972[04:56:38] <KindaNoob> As I said, only 80 and 443 works
973[04:56:44] <michael2> somiaj: ok. what is the command to mark a package manual?
974[04:56:45] <jim> ok, that should mean your connection is up...
989[04:58:29] <somiaj> michael2: basically the only downside to this, if you ever wanted to remove gnome, you have to manually remove a good number of packages. But this will ensure that your depends on yoru system are clean.
990[04:59:49] <jim> so that should take just under 2 mins
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992[05:00:03] <michael2> somiaj: what Im thinking is that - the following packages I mark manually now. I am going to put them into a script - next time I install -I won't install gnome-desktop . I wiil instead install i3 and just manually apt-get install all these packages
996[05:00:28] <jim> but if it works, I'd say we're done with the physical connection and the dns
997[05:00:36] <somiaj> michael2: good idea.
998[05:00:49] <somiaj> !tell michael2 about aptitude clone
999[05:00:55] <somiaj> michael2: you could also use that to generate a list.
1000[05:01:50] <KindaNoob> yes
1001[05:02:03] <jim> ran to completion?
1002[05:02:14] <KindaNoob> still downloading
1003[05:02:18] <KindaNoob> 72%
1004[05:02:34] <jim> seems solid to me
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1006[05:02:54] <michael2> somiaj: cool. well If I take a while, its because Im running the commands, then re-updating the list with `apt update' - then copying them into a script
1016[05:08:30] <Namll> hello, i just rebooted from a update/upgrade and my window manager is not working. When I log in I get the error, xset unable to open display ""
1017[05:08:40] <Namll> I am using i3 wm
1018[05:09:35] <Namll> I am still able to use the machine and connect to internet, use the system as i am on irc right now with it, switching between tty.
1019[05:09:45] <somiaj> Namll: does 'startx' work?
1020[05:10:07] <Namll> yes that worked
1021[05:10:27] <somiaj> so you'll ahve to debug why your display manager isn't loading. Do you know what display mangaer you are using?
1054[05:18:37] <Namll> i like as bare bones for this machine. I guess i will get used to just using startx
1055[05:18:40] <somiaj> and it looks like I just missunderstood you. startx is not loading teh correct window manager...
1056[05:18:56] <somiaj> since you said window manger is not working (I read display manger...my bad)
1057[05:19:04] <Namll> I wounder what caused it to not work anymore after the update.
1058[05:19:32] <somiaj> as for the error xset, you should check your .bashrc, or .bash_profile, or .profile and see if you have an xset command there. If you do, move it to .xinitrc (though Iw oudl suggest using .xsesion on debian instead)
1059[05:19:56] <somiaj> Namll: how did it work before the update? Did you have some script launch x when you loged, or did you have a display manager?
1060[05:20:36] <Namll> in my .bash_profile i have the exec startx
1064[05:21:43] <somiaj> If you want to log directly into your window manger, use a display manager. I would not try to automate such a thing via .bash_profile.
1065[05:22:24] <somiaj> there are other logins (such as over ssh) you may not want such a thing happening).
1078[05:31:47] <michael2> somiaj: Im trying to organise my scripts that Im going to throw all these 'apt-mark manual' or install commands into - else I wont be able to make sense of the scripts when I come to re-run on a new system
1079[05:31:59] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
1080[05:31:59] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1081[05:32:07] <somiaj> michael2: you could just use that once you get the system the way you want it.
1082[05:32:40] <michael2> yeah, I expect a massive package list like that to fail
1095[05:45:36] <michael2> somiaj: out of that huge list, I only ended up apt-marking 2 packages - there was nothing else I could see that I wanted or needed...
1096[05:47:15] <somiaj> you can always install it back later if you find you need it too.
1097[05:48:29] <michael2> somiaj: thats what I was thinking. is there a tasksel that you recommend I run after the netinstaller ?
1098[05:49:16] <michael2> somiaj: I mean, usually at the end of the netinstaller I run "gnome-desktop" task
1099[05:49:33] <somiaj> I only select 'standard' and 'ssh server' when I do installs. Then install everything else I want after.
1100[05:49:40] <somiaj> I always deslect the desktop enviorments because I don't use them.
1103[05:50:58] <michael2> somiaj: cool. so basically you just take what the netinstaller leaves you + standard and ssh-server. what does standard give you? all the systemd services? pulse audio , ssh-agent etc?
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1105[05:51:32] <somiaj> no pluse.
1106[05:51:34] <somiaj> !standard
1107[05:51:34] <dpkg> rumour has it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
1110[05:52:50] <michael2> if you dont get pulse with "standard" does that mean you dont get sound capabilities with standard?
1111[05:53:02] <somiaj> the netinstall as a minial system, but I consider a base debian system standard and higher packages (which isn't that much, but the netinstall minimal system is missing a few of them)
1112[05:53:24] <somiaj> alsa is in the kernel, and for the most part I use alsa. I have only recentally tried pulse. Though I prefer just alsa.
1113[05:53:38] <somiaj> pulse is a desktop thing on top of alsa, and is optional.
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1115[05:54:00] <michael2> so basically you would always want to have standard?
1121[05:55:02] <somiaj> there are some things you could do without, if you don't have wifi, you could do without the wifi stuff in standard. But it is only a small set of packages that I don't mind having the extra stuff there, even if I don't use it.
1122[05:55:13] <somiaj> but yes, in general you want every package standard and higher in priority.
1123[05:57:02] <michael2> cool. im interested to see how much smaller my download size will be when running "standard" install of "gnome-desktop". last time "gnome-desktop" was 1GB. download.
1124[05:57:37] <somiaj> just make sure you uncheck desktop enviroment, as I think it is selected by default.
1125[05:58:09] <somiaj> and then after that I only install what I need. I just do it manually, but I haven't reinstalled my system in years, so a script woudln't help much
1126[05:58:22] <somiaj> but I too use a minimial system, though fvwm here isntaed of i3
1127[05:58:34] <michael2> I think last time installer broke. I had to run tasksel manually
1128[05:58:59] <michael2> is fvwm going to work with wayland?
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1130[05:59:45] <somiaj> no
1131[05:59:49] <somiaj> but I like xorg
1132[06:00:11] <somiaj> and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon, as there are things xorg does that waylend cant (its not a full replacement)
1134[06:00:26] <michael2> are we going to get a choice when buster comes out? or is it only wayland?
1135[06:01:15] <somiaj> debian will provdied a choice provided there are people to keep the xorg packages up to date, and since xorg does stuff waylend can't (since it is a server/client model, so ssh -X remotemachine command
1136[06:01:42] <somiaj> I highly doubt buster will not have xorg.
1167[06:37:03] <nezZario> Alright ... can I get just a hint here -- I just booted up a debian live CD. I have 2x SSDs sitting behind mdadm, on top of /dev/md0 is an LVM partition with, right now, one LVM partition ... I think it was myvol/root .. myvol/root has the actual ext partition. I'm trying to run fsck on it. I am going to have to setup mdadm and then use the lvm 'scan' to even be able to fsck aren't I?
1176[06:46:58] <Project86__> So if I have a user account on my debian machine, that is already part of certain addgroups and other stuff. Will the basic command to change user name also change all those things dependent on name? Or do I have to do something special?
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1181[06:48:52] <nezZario> Project86__: just check /etc/group
1182[06:49:13] <nezZario> The files themselves will update as they're based on uid and not the alphanumeric username
1183[06:50:04] <nezZario> You should be fine with just changing /etc/group and at worst renaming their home directory + updating that via 'vipw' + 'vipw -s' (maybe -S can't remember offhand)
1184[06:51:13] <nezZario> that's if it does not perform these things itself, i'm not sure what you mean by 'basic command', as iirc there are a few different tools that claim to be able to change a username
1188[06:55:03] <Project86__> nezZario: thank you. Kinda lost me with vipw stuff though. But you're saying change the name, and also the group name if needed?
1201[07:11:52] <nezZario> Check 'man vipw'. It's just a tool for editing /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow (the s switch) a little bit more safely. But correct. It shouldn't be difficult to change a username
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1205[07:13:27] <nezZario> The name being 'vi' + 'pw'. If you don't like vi/m then set your EDITOR env. It doesn't have to be vi/m
1206[07:13:56] <somiaj> it might depend on how many things use the username vs the uid. So you may find you have other things to change (such as /etc/group if the user is a member of any groups)
1207[07:14:09] <somiaj> and there are many other things that use the username instead of the uid, all of these will have to be changed.
1208[07:14:21] <somiaj> (but how many really depends on your setup)
1209[07:14:41] <engys> somiaj: well I upgraded from jessie to stretch and now vm's working like they should but while upgrading mysql db's dit not get converted to mariadb
1214[07:16:50] <somiaj> engys: unsure on that. Might need to just repopulate the new databases from a mysqldump
1215[07:17:05] <somiaj> glad it worked. Did you try the jessie-backports first, or just went straight to stretch?
1216[07:18:02] <nezZario> The only thing I can really think of that would be common that you'd have to update aside from /etc/group passwd and shadow is email related stuff if there is a real mail setup on the local machine. Of course ymmv but just covering the common stuff.
1222[07:21:09] <engys> somiaj: no just straight to stretch .. (after I have tested upgrading db stuff in a vm on archlinux which worked well .. but the same procedure does not work that well on the bare metal machine)
1228[07:23:13] <engys> now I ask myself how I get a working mariadb database after the upgrade stopped in between upgrading mysql
1229[07:23:46] <somiaj> You still have the database files in /var/lib/mysql (or whever they are)? You might just be able to copy them over to miradb and just use them.
1230[07:24:12] <somiaj> the other option is to use a backup, and if you dn't have one, maybe create a jessie chroot, install mysql, get the database up, run mysqldump then import it into a new database.
1231[07:24:15] <engys> somiaj: yep
1232[07:24:36] <somiaj> just make sure mariadb is configured to use the same database format.
1239[07:27:43] <somiaj> I don't know, unsure if it looks int eh same place for the databases as mysql, or if you have to copy them to a new place, like /var/lib/mariadb
1257[07:43:32] <hejux> my debian 9.4 server runs zsh, i just did apt uninstlal zsh && zsh-common, and now i can ssh into it, it says "Permission denied (publickey)."
1258[07:43:50] <hejux> I can't ssh into it
1259[07:44:11] <hejux> I believe the .ssh/au..._keys is still there,
1260[07:44:25] <hejux> how can i ssh into bash of the sever? it is possible?
1261[07:44:55] <somiaj> ssh -vvv foo, get some more output
1262[07:45:47] <somiaj> but yea, if it is authenticaion issues, maybe try a password instead of a key? Unsure how to debug this more if you dont' have access to the server.
1263[07:47:04] <nezZario> Omg somebody help. I had some severe file system corruption. fsck cleaned it up via live USB boot. But whenever I boot it says it can't find anything to boot from. Guessing I need to reinstall the boot loader.
1264[07:47:36] <nezZario> This is driving me crazy, apologies. But I'm really at a loss on how to proceed
1265[07:47:40] <engys> how to purge a package that aborted with post-istallation-script error 2
1343[08:27:36] <nezZario> Well nevermind I've just got to reinstall. Sigh. Brings me to my next question. What's a good consumer grade Ups that works well with Debian?
1344[08:28:20] <nezZario> xet7 you're going to need to turn your pc into a router basically. It's not trivial but not very hard.
1345[08:29:10] <nezZario> But afaik not something any gui is going to guide you through.
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1347[08:29:41] <xet7> is there some step by step instructions somewhere?
1349[08:30:10] <nezZario> Hm there is I'm sure let me see
1350[08:31:05] <nezZario> I take it your cell data device is physically attached to the Debian machine? And shows up as some networking device (ie in if config)?
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1352[08:31:49] <nezZario> It should be pretty close to just sharing between two eth devices if so.
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1365[08:37:40] <dgriffi> for doing an apt pin, I have the "Package: *foobar*" line. But... I want to allow an exception to this. I want to allow "libfoobar3" while otherwise pinning everything that matches "*foobar*" at -1. What's the proper way to do this?
1376[08:44:29] <dgriffi> jolt: can I do a regex in a "Package:" line when doing apt preferences?
1377[08:44:44] <dgriffi> I want to have an exception to banning everything having to do with systemd
1378[08:45:15] <jolt> dgriffi: Truly a good question. Never tried to be honest. I think you at some point would need to go the systemd route anyway, but that's another discussion :D
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1380[08:45:44] <dgriffi> jolt: using systemd is out of the question. it's insecure, unstable, and hard to recover from when it goes wrong.
1381[08:46:10] <jolt> dgriffi: I think it's a slim chance it would work. But then I guess it's better to just list all systemdpackage, awk it in there and be done with it.
1383[08:46:43] <dgriffi> jolt: I'm looking for this answer to improve an entry at replaced-url
1384[08:47:40] <dgriffi> jolt: or maybe you can answer this generically... how does one specify banning ALL packages matching a regex and specify a single exception?
1385[08:47:51] <jolt> I think it's just the extended family (like the apt command) that really understands regex. You could of course try with a simple package and see if that works
1386[08:48:09] <jolt> dgriffi: I've never had a reason to ban packages, so I can't even help with that. Sorry
1387[08:48:39] <jolt> Wait, I've done pinning, must be the same
1388[08:48:41] <dgriffi> jolt: the other approach I see is to stack entries... like first entry bans everything, then the second sets a pin priority of 500 for the specific exception.
1389[08:48:51] <jolt> And regex seems to work there
1417[08:58:21] <jolt> Prevent apt from installing systemd-related packages in the future: echo -e 'Package: *systemd*\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1\n' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd, that must work for systemd-named packages, right?
1418[08:59:07] <jolt> dgriffi: So can't you just leave libsystemd0 as is (without pinning) since it's useless on it's own?
1420[08:59:43] <jolt> Or you just have to wait to someone with apt-pinning-fu wakes up
1421[09:00:16] <dgriffi> jolt: in theory, yes. in practice, I need to make sure it is updated because 1) I don't want an obscure bug in libsystemd0 to go unfixed and 2) not adding an exception results in mysterious "1 not upgraded" messages when doing "apt-get upgrade".
1422[09:00:53] <jolt> dgriffi: But it you don't pin it, wouldn't it be updated as usual?
1424[09:01:23] <dgriffi> jolt: that is not acceptable either, because the whole reason for the -1 pin is to make sure that no systemd components get installed by accident.
1425[09:01:46] <jolt> dgriffi: Yes, I say just pin systemd*, but not libsystemd0
1426[09:01:58] <dgriffi> jolt: that's what I'm trying to figure out
1451[09:21:40] <dgriffi> jolt: so... got any ideas on how to do what you suggested?
1452[09:26:41] <jolt> dgriffi: Just pin systemd* with -1 and thats it.
1453[09:26:56] <jolt> dgriffi: No idea if that works though, but that is what the site you linked suggests
1454[09:27:35] <dgriffi> jolt: that's what the site suggests... but it's insufficient and I'm trying to figure out a better way to do it so I can submit a change for that page.
1455[09:27:55] <dgriffi> we just went around in circles until we arrived at you suggesting I do what I asked how to do.
1456[09:28:02] <jolt> dgriffi: Sorry, since I don't really do that stuff I can't assist you :/
1457[09:28:22] <Psi-Jack> Is there a way to export a full list of installed packages in a way that can be easily re-installed, as part of a method to automate re-deployment/backup restoration?
1462[09:29:30] <jolt> Psi-Jack: For the automated installation though, thats depends on how automated it should be. You could also use that package list in a pre-seed if it's gonna be 100% automated
1463[09:30:32] <Psi-Jack> jolt: Well, ideally, fairly automated, eventually. As in, salt may be used to re-deploy a system fully, including a backup.
1464[09:30:34] <jolt> Psi-Jack: But it also depends on if you have a lot of configuration changes that are not part of the default, and how to apply those changes. Sometimes it might be doable with just diff'ing the files, or using ansible etc. Totally depends on the usecase
1465[09:31:40] <jolt> Psi-Jack: For that the dpkg-thingie is what I have used in the past. For automated installations these days I use a combination of automated installer with preseed, and package configuration/customization with ansible. That is what we use here at work.
1466[09:32:11] <Psi-Jack> What I'm doing is running a backup of minimal needed files via borgbackup, which usually contains /etc, possibly more depending on what's needed. Salt will take care to install the borg backup tools, and if a recovery file exists, will essentially replay it accordingly.
1474[09:34:03] <Psi-Jack> jolt: Exactly. Fairly similar idea. I'm slowly working out creating a full deployment with salt, with the addition to restore a backup set, including data, packages, etc.
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1477[09:35:19] <Psi-Jack> With borgmatic, I thought some cool ideas with snapshotting current states of packages, and as you even added, apt keyring, etc.
1507[09:47:14] <Psi-Jack> jolt: Very nice, indeed. In my salt backup state, I just added pillar data to include running commands before backup, and after backup to basically store those Packages.list and Repo.keys into /etc/restore, and remove it after the backup is complete. :)
1530[10:01:43] <themill> first of all, syntax matters, so if your regex isn't doing what you want, are you sure your config is actually right? Secondly, I doubt that sort of regex is supported. apt is not doing PCRE. This is also probably not the best way of doing it.
1531[10:02:51] <petn-randall> man apt_preferences says it should support posix extended regexes.
1532[10:02:56] <Psi-Jack> heh, "ban" al packages matching *system*? But.. Why?
1564[10:09:36] <Psi-Jack> Mmm nice. Yes, this is good. Backups that contain their own /etc/restore, since I'm pretty much always going to be backing up /etc. ;)
1565[10:10:18] <dgriffi> jolt: that last paragraph looks like it would validate my approach of doing two entries, but it doesn't actually work.
1566[10:11:36] <dgriffi> jolt: the second entry doesn't override anything
1671[10:55:36] <tdn> E: Version '2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1' for 'librtmp1' was not found
1672[10:55:37] <themill> !not available
1673[10:55:37] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
1674[10:55:56] <alkisg> What's the output of apt policy librtmp1 ?
1694[10:59:27] <alkisg> OK, go on with the next commands
1695[10:59:33] <themill> tdn: the packages in the output from aptitude search ~o are almost all ones you should have removed after upgrading to stretch.
1709[11:02:15] <alkisg> tdn: when I see installations with similar issues, I tell them to follow this procedure to revert to the repository versions: replaced-url
1710[11:02:15] <alkisg> Note that I mention Ubuntu there as most of my schools use Ubuntu, but it worked for me on Debian too.
1752[11:20:18] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
1753[11:20:23] <petn-randall> !bat
1754[11:20:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1755[11:20:38] <petn-randall> Elirips: ^^^ Can you provide the whole output of the run in a paste?
1756[11:20:46] <themill> Elirips: quite probably you need to do a dist-upgrade (or use apt or aptitude rather than apt_
1757[11:22:28] <FinalX> Packages that are held often have important questions for you that might break things if the answer is assumed, or otherwise possibly break things when installed automatically.
1758[11:22:49] <FinalX> That's why they're held until someone can keep an eye on the installation.
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1760[11:23:12] <Elirips> petn-randall: see here: replaced-url
1761[11:23:13] <themill> well... it's more because the installation requires you to add or remove packages
1762[11:23:19] <FinalX> sure
1763[11:23:51] <petn-randall> Elirips: use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'apt upgrade' to do that.
1764[11:23:55] <Sepultura> antto when I make g++ tcpproxy_server.cpp -o tcparm -lpthread -lboost_system -static and try to start it it says segment fault
1768[11:24:43] <Elirips> petn-randall: I was more wondering why it is held back. In the past, I did not need an explicit dist-upgrade for kernel updates, why now?
1769[11:24:49] <antto> Sepultura this is not really a debian question, is it?
1771[11:25:09] <antto> run it thru GDB and see where it crashes
1772[11:25:11] <jim> hi... when a mysql server package is upgraded, does it dump the database from the old mysql instance and load it into the new instance?
1773[11:25:12] <Elirips> I think it is held back since that - what was it called - bug found in cpus that will expose memory content
1774[11:25:31] <Elirips> since spectre and meltdown
1775[11:25:43] <themill> Elirips: you've always needed a dist-ugprade to allow the upgrade install new packages and you get new kernel packages every time the kernel ABI changes
1776[11:25:59] <petn-randall> Elirips: This ^^^
1777[11:26:00] <Sepultura> antto but many Debian users are coders
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1780[11:26:38] <jim> please hilite me in your response, and I'll check back in a few minutes
1781[11:26:43] <Elirips> ah, thank you. So, if I only get a new kernel that fixes some security update, but does not change ABI, there is no need for a dist-upgrade, but if ABI changes there is (?)
1782[11:26:50] <themill> yes
1783[11:26:55] <Elirips> thanks for the explanation
1784[11:27:15] <antto> Sepultura sure, but there are possibly better places to ask about this
1785[11:27:26] <themill> A dist-upgrade for a security upgrade tends to happen 2 or 3 times per year at most
1788[11:28:34] <Elirips> and was there an ABI change related to spectre / meltdown? or is that just by accident that I feel it is held back since then?
1789[11:28:52] <petn-randall> Elirips: the latter.
1811[11:36:37] <Ingvix> I removed lightdm and now my device boots to "9 NUC tty1" view, NUC being my device name. I wish it to boot to command line. What to be do?
1812[11:37:32] <MrSlaughter1775> I'm trying to make a bootable usb for Win10. I am currently downloading the .iso but am looking for a program to create live usbs. Any suggestions?
1815[11:38:27] <petn-randall> MrSlaughter1775: Aren't those images already USB-bootable? Then you just need to run 'cp win10.iso /dev/sdx', with sdx being your USB device.
1830[11:42:36] <MrSlaughter1775> I don't know what cp is tbh with you petn-randall . I'm very new to Linux and am on deployment rn. This is kind of a time essential task.
1831[11:42:59] <Psi-Jack> Ugh, the English in this one.
1832[11:43:04] <Psi-Jack> cp == copy
1833[11:43:27] <MrSlaughter1775> Thank you gentlemen.
1834[11:43:39] <Psi-Jack> But.. How that relates to making a bootable USB from an ISO... Well.... There's more to it than just putting an ISO onto a filesystem. :p
1835[11:43:57] <MrSlaughter1775> Copying it to the usb isn't the same as making it bootable, I believe.
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1843[11:45:20] <Psi-Jack> Now you might be able to dd the ISO directly to the USB device. If it's a proper hybrid. That, I can't confirm nor deny, since.. Windows. I haven't, nor will I touch Windows in a very.... VERY long time.
1844[11:45:24] <slax0r> copying to /dev/sdX is not copying it to a filesystem, afaik
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1849[11:46:10] <slax0r> and can confirm that cp windows.iso /dev/sdX does in fact work, and the usb is also bootable if the iso is downloaded from the microsoft site
1850[11:46:45] <shtrb> slax0r, is it for the iso generated with their tool or the one you get if you visit the windows site from a Debian ?
1860[11:49:05] <Ingvix> I installed lightdm succesfully back in case I did something wrong. How should I proceed to boot the device to command line rather than gui?
1861[11:49:08] <MrSlaughter1775> slax0r, I got the iso from the microsoft website.
1862[11:49:18] <MrSlaughter1775> So you are confirming that it is already bootable then?
1863[11:49:27] <shtrb> slax0r, one you is static (you really download an an iso from a link) the other is generated by an exe
1864[11:49:28] <slax0r> it should be
1865[11:49:32] <MrSlaughter1775> jelly, Bootable from usb
1866[11:49:37] <MrSlaughter1775> Is the goal at least.
1875[11:50:58] <MrSlaughter1775> Roger. Thanks for the help gentlemen. I'm still waiting for the download to finish atm. As I said, I'm deployed overseas and our wifi capabilities are not the greatest.
1876[11:51:10] <jelly> ,v winusb
1877[11:51:12] <judd> No package named 'winusb' was found in amd64.
1878[11:51:15] <jelly> ,v woeusb
1879[11:51:16] <judd> No package named 'woeusb' was found in amd64.
1880[11:51:36] <MrSlaughter1775> Won't be done for 2 hours. I just wanted to know the next step in the process. I apologize for my lack of knowledge, but I am a Linux newbie.
1881[11:51:44] <jelly> okay, so neither the older tool or the newer one are packaged in debian
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1886[11:53:06] <jelly> if you're a newbie installing woeusb probably won't be easy either. packages for ubuntu may or may not work, and it will be better to use them from an ubuntu installation
1888[11:54:11] <MrSlaughter1775> So, once I get the .iso, I could just use a friend's Win box and make it from there. I just wanted to do it myself so as not to bother anyone.
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1909[12:06:16] <cluelessperson> Emil: libraries tend to expose code bases and usable stuff to things that can use them. libfuse2 sounds like a technical name to specify an exact library.
1936[12:08:41] <Ingvix> I'm trying to add new mode for screen 0 with xrandr. What exactly am I suppose to type for <output>? "Screen 0" cannot be found
1937[12:09:20] <petn-randall> Ingvix: What is the exact command you're calling, and what is the output? → replaced-url
1950[12:11:47] <linuxconformer> any idea what's causing this error when i try to mount a partition? "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/vdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
1951[12:12:07] <Ingvix> it supports the resolution, yes, if that's what you're asking
1952[12:12:12] <linuxconformer> i've formatted it using gdisk
1953[12:12:17] <linuxconformer> (using all the defaults)
1954[12:12:27] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: gdisk partitions, have you created partitions?
1955[12:12:39] <linuxconformer> petn-randall: yeah, it has a vdb1 partition
1956[12:12:58] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Try mounting the partition then.
1957[12:13:07] <Ingvix> my terminal just defaults the resolution to 4k though the TV is only 3840x2160
1958[12:13:14] <linuxconformer> petn-randall: i'm saying that's what i did, but it gives that error i just listed
1959[12:13:15] <sugarfree> hello
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1961[12:13:40] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Then please always provide the exact command you're using, including output.
1962[12:14:09] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Because your error message says you're trying to mount vdb, not vdb1.
1963[12:14:29] <linuxconformer> petn-randall: "sudo mount /dev/vdb1 /mnt/store" gives output -> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/vdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
1964[12:14:43] <Ingvix> and therefore I cannot see everything as resolution goes out of bounds
1965[12:14:56] <petn-randall> Ingvix: If you run 'xrandr', the device name should be 'DP1' or something else.
1966[12:14:58] *** some_weirdo1 is now known as some_weirdo
1967[12:15:13] <sugarfree> @linuxconformer: paste here output of: fdisk -l /dev/vdb
1968[12:15:23] <petn-randall> Ingvix: 'Screen 0' is the virtual screen, not a physical one.
1969[12:15:33] <Ingvix> oh
1970[12:15:53] <linuxconformer> sugarfree: /dev/vdb1 2048 209715166 209713119 100G Linux filesystem
1971[12:15:54] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Exact copy + paste to replaced-url
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2001[12:23:47] <Ingvix> I followed this replaced-url
2002[12:23:59] <Ingvix> and nothing else
2003[12:23:59] <linuxconformer> petn-randall: sorry, should say /dev/vdb1 in the OUTPUT section
2004[12:24:51] <Ingvix> so I wonder how do I get it to boot to command line
2005[12:26:10] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: See, we just wasted over 10 minutes on that. Pleas always copy/paste the stuff, "it's roughly that output" is not good enough.
2006[12:26:19] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Did you make a filesystem on it yet?
2022[12:33:24] <petn-randall> linuxconformer: Can you provide the output of 'blkid' run as root?
2023[12:33:48] <Ingvix> okay, let's get back to the first problem. I took out extra keyboard and plugged it to the server of mine which is connected to the tv. Typing xrandr there gives me "Can't open display."
2041[12:39:57] <Ingvix> for some reason the tv allows 4k resolution though it doesn't have that large screen
2042[12:40:47] <petn-randall> Ingvix: That's not uncommon. So they can brag about it in the advertisement, even though the screen resolution isn't that high.
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2116[13:26:06] <jelly> workaround? Decode it manually
2117[13:26:18] <ardevd> ping: xn--elkjp-yua.no: Parameter string not correctly encoded
2118[13:26:43] <manticorpus> Hi, I got two question about kernel index (of network interface). First one : What is the maximum value ? And what will appends when this value is reached ? Second one : Can we configure this maximum value =
2153[13:34:06] <BCMM> doesn't debian try to get you on to a utf8 locale during installation?
2154[13:34:12] <jelly> ardevd: so ping kind of wants to decode the name but it can't do some part of that when running in 7-bit ascii locale (C)
2155[13:35:00] <jelly> I'd call that a bug, either in ping or in libidn
2156[13:35:54] <ardevd> jelly: hmm, interesting. Why is it using C though. In /etc/default/locale I have LANG="en_US.UTF-8" defined
2157[13:36:13] <manticorpus> \join #linux
2158[13:36:16] <jelly> if you want you can switch global locale to C.UTF-8 I guess
2159[13:36:19] <jelly> !locale
2160[13:36:19] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
2161[13:37:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1607
2162[13:37:31] <ardevd> jelly: is that what you've done then since it worked OOTB for you?
2165[13:37:37] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
2166[13:38:02] <jelly> ardevd: I already have a (different) UTF-8 capable locale set
2221[13:56:29] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
2222[13:56:32] <petn-randall> rdz: ^^^
2223[13:56:48] <jelly> !debian-next
2224[13:56:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2225[13:56:54] <jelly> fakefur: ^ note different irc server
2226[13:57:05] <rdz> petn-randall, good to know, but i would have to start networking in order to be able to install the pacakge
2235[13:59:08] <petn-randall> rdz: Ok. What about the other command?
2236[13:59:31] <rdz> nevermind, i did 'systemctl start networking' and the interface is configured now
2237[13:59:53] <rdz> i wanted to test, whether the service still works.. and it does
2238[13:59:56] <petn-randall> …
2239[14:00:08] <rdz> so the problem really is that it doesn't get started after boot
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2241[14:00:55] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this on my debian 9 server: curl: (35) error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol can someonehelp?
2242[14:01:37] <petn-randall> Rembo: You get that error doing what?
2243[14:01:41] <petn-randall> !ask
2244[14:01:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2249[14:04:16] <rdz> petn-randall, i can't get back the original outout of 'systemctl status networking.service' since the service is running now, but it said: Loaded: loaded \n Active: inactive
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2254[14:05:12] <rdz> i was curious to hear if others had similar issues.. but i don't know how common it is to use unattended_upgrades with automatic reboot
2290[14:21:32] <dpkg> methinks cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot time, which delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. This can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login (depending on setup). Short term workaround: Wiggle your mouse (introduces entropy) to shorten the delay.
2291[14:21:46] <cef> fakefur: ^^
2292[14:22:42] <cef> fakefur: not sure if that is what is causing your system to hang, but worth noting.
2293[14:23:01] <jolt> Nice, because all of our servers have mouses and people to wiggle those! :D
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2295[14:23:15] <petn-randall> rdz: It seems to be enabled, so it seems to be an issue we can only figure out after reboot.
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2297[14:24:01] <petn-randall> cef: fakefur is already getting support in #debian-next, hence the crosspost factoid.
2298[14:25:46] <cef> jolt: yeah exactly.. they'll boot, they just sit doing nothing for a while. they'll get entropy over the network tho, esp if you ping them.
2599[15:15:50] <engys> I try to reactivate vbox shared folders with stretch backport packages on guest system but it does not turn out as expected? Any suggestions?
2662[15:31:24] <nifker13> Im using an RX 460 with mesa and amdgpu but I dont seem to get more than glsl 1.30 (im on debian 9) but Ive got OpenGL 4.3 support - glxinfo | grep OpenGL: replaced-url
2663[15:31:35] <nifker13> any way to get glsl 3.30 or higher support?
2664[15:32:14] <engys> petn-randall, tw: sry the shared folder get mounted .. I did not look into the right location
2676[15:37:35] <engys> petn-randall, tw: was my mistake after losing guest addition because they are only in backports I need to readd the user to the group vboxsf
2761[16:08:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> context: 2.4.0 unexpectedly introduced a change in the date format output by mod_autoindex (which is what generates directory indexes when there's no index.html)
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2764[16:08:59] <NoImNotNineVolt> 2.4.26 introduced a new feature: an option that exposes the ability to revert to the original date format used prior to 2.4.0
2765[16:09:01] <themill> "unexpected" doesn't look like the word for it
2766[16:09:14] <greycat> Why do you want to use the older date format?
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2771[16:09:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> we have clients downstream that are parsing our directory indexes.
2772[16:09:51] <themill> I'd be very surprised if that got added to a stable release particularly when it was also not in oldstable
2773[16:09:54] <themill> lroe: you need the exact version 1:4.15-1
2774[16:11:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> so really, the fix being exposed as a new option means it's technically a 'new feature', not a 'bugfix'. but an optional bugfix exposed as a new feature is still, at least in my use case, a bugfix :P
2775[16:11:27] <greycat> It's not a "fix". It's a new option.
2776[16:11:41] <NoImNotNineVolt> it optionally fixes a breaking change that was introduced in 2.4.0.
2777[16:12:13] <greycat> The brokenness is in people parsing autoindex date formats for any reason.
2778[16:12:15] <themill> NoImNotNineVolt: there would have been a case for that sort of compatibility 5 years ago, but I'm not sure there is now. You can ask the maintainer but I'd be very surprised.
2783[16:13:03] <greycat> (But if they're *going* to parse date formats, then they need to be able to parse them in the format that's actually been in use for the last X years.)
2796[16:17:10] <NoImNotNineVolt> was holding out some small sliver of hope that i could lobby for this 'feature' being considered a 'bugfix' on the grounds that it's literally an optional bugfix.
2800[16:17:38] <themill> As I said, you can request it. It's unlikely to be acceptable to the release team or the maintainer.
2801[16:17:38] <lroe> I am trying to enable nbase-T support on a network in linux. Using ethtool it looks like the 2.5gbit and 5gbit modes aren't enabled. I am using ethtool like so but I get "Cannot set new settings: Operation not supported": ethtool -s enp4s0f1 advertise 0x1800000001028
2802[16:17:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> what's the mechanism for doing that?
2803[16:17:51] <lroe> network card*
2804[16:18:07] <themill> NoImNotNineVolt: fixing the date parser would be easier and probably a better thing to do in the long run
2805[16:18:10] <themill> dpkg: tell NoImNotNineVolt about reportbug
2806[16:18:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> themill: i don't know how many clients are parsing our dates downstream. i only know it's more than 0. lots of duplicated effort if we go down that path.
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2912[17:11:49] <mefistofeles> hey, I'm trying to install/configure fail2ban in a debian stretch lxc container and I'm getting ERROR No file(s) found for glob /var/log/auth.log , any ideas why this may be?
2996[17:38:11] <greycat> if the goal is to copy the failing /home into the new /mnt/home without also copying the sub-mounts, then -x (in various tools) is what you want
2997[17:38:11] <tw> you are probably looking for mount -o bind
3057[17:54:29] <jelly> cusco: if it's more than 60% full or there are millions of files or millions of hardlinks, copying the whole blockdev (with ddrescue or dd_rescue) will by easier and perhaps faster. OTOH doing a file-based copy will reveal exactly which files are affected right away.
3058[17:55:13] <shtrb> but if the drive is on it's final days it is better backup immediately
3059[17:55:33] <RoyK> cusco: anyway - don't write to this thing - if the filesystem is mounted, mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdf
3061[17:55:51] <jelly> the number of pending sectors is a clue but not a definite sign a disk is dying soon, IME. tracking said number over time and if it's been rising lately is a better clue
3062[17:55:52] <RoyK> shtrb: so not in a raid, ey?
3070[17:59:19] <cusco> jelly: 1.1T used out of 1.8T. even if I find ot now wich files it did not copy, they will be re-syched during tonights backup. It is not critical
3075[18:00:11] <MrSlaughter1775> Need to format a usb drive. Must be currently a fat32 because anything more than 4gbs won't allow me to copy to the usb (although it is a 32 gb flash)
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3077[18:00:14] <RoyK> cusco: please use a raid of sorts (not raid-0) with that amount of data - that is - unless the data is worthless or you have a good data *and* can sustain downtime for a week or three
3103[18:03:15] <shtrb> strike that out, I'm a noob and did not read your problem correctly ignore my comment
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3105[18:04:02] <jelly> MrSlaughter1775: alternatively, reformat the drive on Windows to NTFS, for optimum compability, you should be able to mount it on linux too
3108[18:04:54] <MrSlaughter1775> Thanks, I'll just do the latter option, jelly
3109[18:05:33] <jelly> RoyK: their (interim) goal is transfering a 4.6GB image to a windows machine and they're hitting the file size limit (2**32-1 B), not the filesystem size limit
3117[18:11:27] <jelly> MrSlaughter1775: unrelated, if your linux has the right wifi card, and if your policy allows it, you might be able to provide a wifi hotspot for other nearby machines
3128[18:16:17] <MrSlaughter1775> I feel like a failure for giving up on Linux...I enjoy learning it, but it limits me in a lot of other areas, primarily gaming and graphic work.
3144[18:20:08] <Satou> Hello, I have a question about installing Go from backports in Stretch. I've installed the golang-1.10* packages, but I cannot run go from the terminal. Why is this? (installing from the common repositories works ok, but I need a higher version of Go)
3145[18:20:24] <jelly> Satou: how does it fail?
3146[18:20:30] <jelly> !ask
3147[18:20:31] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3189[18:31:01] <jelly> Satou: just be careful reading and following instructions, the devil is in the details
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3192[18:32:04] <Satou> thanks jelly, this is the first time I've added the backports on this install, do you have any advice for me with installing things from backports?
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3242[18:50:30] <asarch> One stupid question: my friend is from Japan and I would like to lend my PC so she can use it. Currently, the system has only one language (en_US) enable it and I would like to add the Japanese support. Is there any tool a la tasksel to do this so the system would be like if Japanese was the language used from installation?
3243[18:51:03] <greycat> 1) dpkg-reconfigure locales; add the Japanese locale(s). 2) Install Japanese fonts.
3247[18:51:31] <litb> programs don't seem to use debugging symbols of my libraries (libc, libpthread), because they don't use the debug symbol directory /usr/lib/debug
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3249[18:51:48] <litb> how can I teach them that they use this directory? do i need to add something in /etc/ld.so.conf ?
3250[18:51:50] <shtrb> asarch, you also need the i18n packages for your DE
3288[19:00:49] <MrSlaughter1775> So I formatted my usb to NTFS. I then tried to copy my iso to it, however I learned that it was only given read permission for whatever reason. How can I make it read/write?
3289[19:01:27] <ChasticFy> is there some one out here that can help me with installing drivers for tp-wn823n on debian stretch
3290[19:01:50] <greycat> !ntfs rw
3291[19:01:51] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: replaced-url
3298[19:04:11] <annadane> is there any news about the intel-microcode which addresses the latest vulnerabilities making its way to stable from backports?
3337[19:20:23] <pragomer> trying to mount a hfsplus ext hdd rw: although using mount -t hfsplus -o force,rw its always mounted readonly. hfsplus, hfsprogs,hfsutils are installed.
3368[19:27:30] <greycat> What you're seeing is your client highlighting your own name in other people's messages. They didn't do anything special. All they did was type (or tab complete) your name.
3375[19:30:37] <ChasticFy> sorry for all the trouble but thnx a lott for all the help maybe one of the drivers will work
3376[19:32:15] <ChasticFy> oh yeah the tp-link driver dos not work i think i tried it but it dos not do anything for my systems still fails to authezation
3377[19:32:15] <shtrb> just apt-get install the firmware plug it again and tell us what happen
3378[19:32:33] <shtrb> but uninstall the Tp-Link ones
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3441[19:50:49] <greycat> !anyone
3442[19:50:49] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3459[19:55:38] <ChasticFy> shtrb its already the newest driver so don't know what to do know and also iam unable to remove the drivers that i installed in my kali machine i will go to my debian and try it there
3605[20:49:38] <shtrb> greycat, the akonadi-* can be removed if the users like too
3606[20:49:58] <ziGuy> Hi saviours... debian 8.6. i replacef driver in /lib/firmware in latest. rebooted. interface is up but dhcp client can't get ip address. other devices in network can
3631[20:53:21] <dionysus69> no what resources do you mean?
3632[20:53:43] <shtrb> akonadi resource (account on server we-take-your-data-and-give-you-service.com )
3633[20:53:55] <shtrb> contacts, email , sync etc
3634[20:54:01] <krushik> you may also try `sudo apt install akonadiconsole` and then launch akonadiconsole app: it will show you the current status of akonadi services
3635[20:54:17] <ziGuy> i commented eth0 but it's still shown. what else can controll the interfaces?
3636[20:54:18] <dionysus69> oh I just opened up calendar and it said akonadi is not operational
3637[20:54:23] <shtrb> if debug is enabled it will crash his system
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3667[21:00:22] <shtrb> you can drop kdepim-runtime kmail libkf5akonadiprivate5abi1 akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-backend-sqlite akonadi-backend-postgresql akonadi-backend-postgresql akonadi-backend-postgresql akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-backend-mysql
3668[21:00:30] <shtrb> kde is not the entire os
3669[21:00:43] <greycat> removing task-kde-desktop and kde-standard is harmless
3731[21:19:09] <krushik> hi. I have a local debmirror for stretch without `--getcontents` (doesn't include "Contents" indices), and it works great for all but 1 of my servers. on that server I get the following error during apt-get update:Reading package lists... Done
3732[21:19:09] <krushik> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
3733[21:19:09] <krushik> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
3734[21:19:09] <krushik> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
3735[21:19:14] <krushik> why the hell does apt-get downloads Contents-* on this server, but not on the others?
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3766[21:26:42] <dionysus69> so what's the full address of oftc?
3767[21:26:48] <greycat> !oftc
3768[21:26:48] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
3769[21:27:10] <dionysus69> i used to be in a debian unstable channel there
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3774[21:34:54] <krushik> I have a local debmirror for stretch without `--getcontents` (doesn't include "Contents" indices), and it works great for all but 1 of my servers. on that server I get '/main/Contents-i386 404 Not Found' during apt-get update: replaced-url
3775[21:34:56] <krushik> why does apt-get downloads Contents-* on this server, but not on the others and how to disable this feature?
3860[22:08:38] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
3861[22:09:02] <Bushmaster> hey dpkg we chatted before
3862[22:09:09] <Bushmaster> can you help me please dpkg
3863[22:09:30] <SlidingHorn> Bushmaster: dpkg is a bot. What is the software you're trying to update
3864[22:09:52] <Bushmaster> well, SlidingHorn did you check my source list
3865[22:10:07] <SlidingHorn> Bushmaster: yes...that doesn't answer my question
3866[22:10:32] <Bushmaster> I will wait for someone else
3916[22:25:47] <shtrb> I'm not QSIG user , I have no idea
3917[22:26:22] <Bushmaster> shtrb, did you check the last link
3918[22:26:46] <shtrb> does you link have deb.debian.org in it ?
3919[22:26:49] <SlidingHorn> Bushmaster: That version (from the qgis repository) is not supported here. there is a supported version of qgis in the repository. sudo apt install qgis
3939[22:31:07] <Bushmaster> shtrb, QGIS work fine with debian
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3941[22:31:13] <theseb> LVM question.....lvmdiskscan shows /dev/sdb1 but I know how to use lvresize -L 80G --resizefs ??? because it doesn't accept /dev/sdb1 for ???
3942[22:31:15] <Bushmaster> you just do not know that's all
3943[22:31:30] <Bushmaster> i will sort it out, not too worry
4233[23:04:47] <theseb> gparted and fdisk -l say /dev/sda1 is 80Gb but when I do "df -h" is says the old 15Gb size from before I resized it in gparted..why?
4244[23:06:34] <bites> because df reports filesystem size and sda1 is a partition. if you increase its size you have to then increase the size of the lvm physical volume, then the size of the logical volume, then the size of the filesystem.
4249[23:08:58] <SlidingHorn> theseb: this is the debian support channel...it's frowned upon to cross post in both channels, especially when you're not using the supported OS
4256[23:10:15] <theseb> SlidingHorn: ok...well this really is a low level lvm question only
4257[23:10:23] <SlidingHorn> ...in ubuntu.
4258[23:10:29] <SlidingHorn> !ubuntu
4259[23:10:29] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
4298[23:25:00] <dijong> hi, i'm trying to boot Debian i just installed with the default full-disk encryption LUKS setup on a Libreboot x200. I boot into GRUB (not debian grub, the one that's burned into my BIOS) and run "cryptomount -a" and thinks work fine, then I do "set root=(lvm/dijong--vg-root)" (which autocompletes). then I tried running this linux line but it didn't work:
4299[23:25:04] <dijong> the linux line is "linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/dijong--vg-root cryptdevice=/dev/mapper/dijong--vg-root:root". but when I run that I get "error: file `/vmlinuz' not found." even though /vmlinuz shows up if I do GRUB ls. how can I debug / fix this?
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4301[23:27:02] <dijong> also /vmlinuz shows up in tab autocomplete on that line, so I don't think it's a "set root" issue. i have the default lvm/luks setup with only a root and swap partition. any ideas for what to do?
4338[23:45:35] <petn-randall> michael2: Then you'd also need a separate PCI bus to access the disk controller and the GPU. That's why it runs on the CPU.
4339[23:45:57] <petn-randall> michael2: It would also mean your BIOS would run perfectly fine if you unplugged the CPU. I'm sure it doesn't.
4348[23:48:40] *** sethkush_ is now known as sethkush
4349[23:48:58] <dijong> do you think my problem could be because / is ext4, and somehow GRUB can "list files" there but it can't actually read them (hence the "file not found" for vmlinuz)? if that's the problem how can i fix it?
4350[23:49:01] <beardy> Anyone else having issues reboot(1)ing since.. a long time?
4351[23:49:07] <michael2> petn-randall: so you mean an extra bus/s from the BIOS processor reaching out to the disk and screen devices would be necessary?
4364[23:54:44] <dpkg> i heard cve-2018-1108 is a security fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or boot previous kernel
4376[23:59:21] <beardy> michael2: The default. How do I find out to answer you better?
4377[23:59:33] <petn-randall> beardy: In that case I'd check the logs. Making journalctl persistent might also help, as well as 'systemd-analyze critical-chain'.
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