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2 [00:03:19] <Azrael_-> hi
3 [00:03:31] <Azrael_-> if i install just the basic debian os, how much disk space does it need?
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5 [00:04:25] <iTeV> Azrael_-, I suggest you take a look at this: replaced-url
6 [00:04:35] <iTeV> ^ for i386 based systems
7 [00:04:39] <iTeV> for AMD64: replaced-url
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11 [00:05:57] <Azrael_-> thanks
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21 [00:11:55] <minus> is there some kind of guide/checklist when installing via debootstrap? the normal installer doesn't let me do what i want
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24 [00:17:22] <bites> minus: the installation manual has a guide. replaced-url
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27 [00:19:10] <minus> ah, that looks helpful indeed but unfortuantely doesn't address dm-crypt and LVM
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29 [00:20:44] <Azrael_-> what do you try what it doesn't allow you to do?
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31 [00:21:20] <minus> it doesn't support lvm thin volumes
32 [00:21:20] <Azrael_-> (also currently installing a non-standard setup)
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34 [00:21:43] <Azrael_-> mind to explain what this is? never heard of thin volumes
35 [00:22:05] <bites> it allows you to overprovision with lvm.
36 [00:22:32] <Azrael_-> impossible to change a normal lvm to "thin" lateron?
37 [00:23:12] <bites> probably not that easy.
38 [00:23:15] <RoyK> iirc lvm volumes cannot be changed to thin
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41 [00:23:35] <minus> i guess i could just create a second volume as thin and copy the data over
42 [00:23:39] <RoyK> I've only tried thin volumes on jessie - it didn't work too well
43 [00:24:03] <RoyK> minus: doesn't work too well if the primary volume is the root
44 [00:24:35] <RoyK> better separate root and data
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47 [00:25:51] <minus> i want root in an LVM because snapshots
48 [00:26:04] <minus> thin makes that easier too
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50 [00:27:08] * RoyK mutters something about zfs
51 [00:27:25] * minus mutters something about zfs speed
52 [00:27:38] <RoyK> same thing, basically
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54 [00:28:49] <RoyK> minus: have you tried zfs?
55 [00:28:56] <minus> yes
56 [00:29:18] <RoyK> what was the problem?
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58 [00:30:26] <minus> very bad r/w speed. i'm using it on arch on an SSD (ontop of dm-crypt tbf). getting seq read speed of ~55MiB/s
59 [00:31:04] <RoyK> erm - ARC on top of dm-crypt doesn't seem like a very good idea
60 [00:31:39] <Azrael_-> how should i name lvm volume groups?
61 [00:31:54] <RoyK> Azrael_-: just as you want to
62 [00:32:15] <RoyK> vgcreate fjottfittegreie /dev/sdX
63 [00:32:21] <Azrael_-> hehe, ok
64 [00:32:40] <Azrael_-> currently using the text-installer
65 [00:33:19] <RoyK> I usually create a VG named sys for the system drive(s) and then do the rest manually
66 [00:33:52] <minus> RoyK: i didn't set up any dedicated ARC though, and encryption is non-negotiable
67 [00:34:30] <RoyK> minus: how do you store the encryption keys? typing manually at bootup?
68 [00:34:46] <minus> yeah
69 [00:35:00] <RoyK> minus: and what if the system is compromised?
70 [00:35:00] <minus> that particular one is my desktop
71 [00:36:58] <minus> someone modifying the system without my knowledge is nothing i can do something about
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74 [00:38:58] <Azrael_-> minus: boot partition is unencrypted, right? or are there even some better options?
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76 [00:39:36] <minus> yes; SecureBoot/TPM may be something
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78 [00:40:32] <Azrael_-> ok, too complicated. will stick to unencrypted boot and luks for the rest
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84 [00:45:10] <bites> i fail to see how thin volumes make snapshots easier.
85 [00:45:40] <Azrael_-> already feared raid+lvm+luks would be impossible to do without manual intervention but it seems like it worked like a charm
86 [00:45:47] <minus> bites: the snapshot will just use space from the same thinpool and you don't need to worry about setting space aside
87 [00:46:26] <minus> would be cool if you could put snapshots of non-thin volumes in a thin pool
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89 [00:47:08] <Azrael_-> which could make it difficult for the pool to decide when to get rid of the "old" snapshots automatically
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93 [00:49:14] <Azrael_-> i think about setting up snapshots on my nas for providing some "backup" just in case something goes wrong. e.g. a virus tries to encrypt everything on the nas which can be accessed using smb. here the snapshot would just become invalid as soon as the virus had changed too much. how could i counter such a scenario?
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105 [01:01:06] <bites> minus: ah, i see what you mean.
106 [01:01:42] <minus> installing with normal LVM with the installer now
107 [01:01:50] <minus> let's see if grub will fail
108 [01:02:15] <minus> i did partition the disks manually before though and create the grub_bios partition
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150 [01:36:34] <Azrael_-> i want to use dropbear to unlock the encrypted root partition. can i set up dropbear not to use ssh-keys but user+pass?
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157 [01:43:47] <mephistolist> The dropbear software is just like SSH. It listens on a port and only encrypts connections, not a disk. It is possible to configure with or without a password though. If you need disk encryption I'd probably suggest Luks.
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159 [01:46:32] <bites> i believe they were talking about dropbear-initramfs to encrypt the system over ssh.
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161 [01:47:00] <bites> * unlock the system
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169 [01:50:04] <Azrael_-> bites: correct
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179 [01:58:43] <bug> if you have access to cryptsetup at commandline through the connection, you can unlock the encrypted partition manually
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189 [02:06:46] <bug> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXY <somename>.
190 [02:06:46] <bug> (enter password). then it's available to be mounted as /dev/mapper/<somename>.
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193 [02:07:52] <Azrael_-> bug: my problem is, that until now my dropbear-setup only allows me to connect it using ssh-keys but i want to use user+pass and until now i haven't found out how to accomplish this
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228 [02:25:15] <flound1129> is there a quickstart on setting up the graphite packages in stretch-backports? There doesn't seem to be any autocnfig
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236 [02:34:39] <bites> flound1129: i can't check right now, but have you looked in /usr/share/doc/graphite-web/ ?
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238 [02:35:00] <maxxe> is libyui available from som custom repo? why isn't it in debian atm?
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245 [02:41:18] <bites> flound1129: from the dependencies it also looks like graphite is using the django development server. if that's the case you probably want to change that to use apache or nginx for the web frontend. it does have an apache conf in /usr/share/graphite-web/apache2-graphite.conf
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292 [03:10:18] <ryouma> i did a chroot on a device, mounting /sys and so on. but it did not umount. if i try to umount it, it says in use. "systemd-l 1299 root 6r REG 0,14 4096 3763 /sys/devices/virtual/tty/tty0/active". why is systemd still using it?
293 [03:10:30] <ryouma> (jessie)
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298 [03:11:57] <aokfire> Hi, I want to run two mount commands on boot but I want to run them before ANY user processes are run
299 [03:12:03] <aokfire> or any user crontab jobs
300 [03:12:16] <aokfire> example, I have a crontab job under my general user to start a program that needs mounts
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303 [03:12:54] <somiaj> why not just use fstab, that should mount things early enough.
304 [03:13:03] <aokfire> here:
305 [03:13:29] <aokfire> mount --bind /mnt/usermounts/files/backup/ /home/specialuser/backups
306 [03:13:48] <aokfire> mount -o remount,bind,ro /home/specialuser/backups
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309 [03:14:18] <aokfire> then remount as read only
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311 [03:14:29] <aokfire> /mnt/usermounts is mounted with fstab, but what I do here is bind a specific folder to another specific folder
312 [03:14:34] <aokfire> *then remount as read only
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316 [03:14:55] <aokfire> special user who only needs RO access to a backup folder
317 [03:14:57] <aokfire> not the whole mount
318 [03:15:20] <aokfire> could I run those two commands in fstab?
319 [03:15:43] <somiaj> seems strange to me why you want to do this with mount, couldn't you just set up permsions in such a way the user can only read that file, then make a link if really needed?
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324 [03:16:33] <aokfire> yeah it's odd, it's per the application we're using
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352 [03:40:37] <Project86__> I have a debian based arm on rpi3 b+ and this particular distro (only the arm version of it actually), doesn't have the Bluetooth gui. What's the easiest way to add it back in?
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365 [03:50:18] <somiaj> Project86__: go ask the debian-based distro support you are using.
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369 [03:51:57] * Project86__ spaced out and did it right after sending this
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372 [03:52:36] <Project86__> Forgot I was in that distros channel, my bad
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380 [04:04:25] <n-iCe> Hello friends, is this the stable version? firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
381 [04:05:04] <somiaj> yes, that is the current stable, stretch
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383 [04:09:11] <n-iCe> is testing a way to stop downloadnig a new iso in the next release?
384 [04:10:09] <ryouma> no
385 [04:10:18] <ryouma> you just upgrade
386 [04:10:30] <n-iCe> ok, donloading the stable version then, thanks.
387 [04:10:32] <n-iCe> Is a new laptop.
388 [04:10:47] <somiaj> yea, debian is designed that you can upgrade from one release to another.
389 [04:11:14] <somiaj> note, new hardware sometimes requires a newer kernel. You can get this from stretch-backports if you find some of your hardware doesn't work on the current kernel.
390 [04:11:25] <ryouma> i have an old machine (1996 or so) that does not do uefi or anything like that. i want to boot from an external drive, which i have partitioned as gpt. will this boot? if so, do i need to mark the boot partition with the boot flag?
391 [04:11:26] <somiaj> (but if you require a newer kernel during the install, this can be a pain)
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395 [04:12:35] <n-iCe> Well is not a 2018 released laptop.
396 [04:12:47] <n-iCe> everything should be supported I think
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399 [04:12:53] <n-iCe> is a i5 4th generation
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402 [04:14:30] <somiaj> ryouma: I think you need to set up some mbr compadability layer in the gtp partition that acts as the 'mbr'
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404 [04:15:12] <ryouma> somiaj: any clue what one does to do that? (it's a core 2 quad; the date is not certain.)
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406 [04:15:46] <somiaj> this is part of the partition table, looking up the details, but once you modify the partition table it should work with legacy boot (and thus machines)
407 [04:16:15] <somiaj> hmm, also see ways to convert gtp to mbr, but I doubt that is what you want.
408 [04:16:36] <Azrael_-> at last, got my machine running and also providing the network configuration directly as kernel-parameter!
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411 [04:18:00] <ryouma> arch wiki or so says gpt is basically always better, and i wanted this thing to boot both this old machine and any future new machine, so i figured gpt was the right choice. but for health reasons i cannot spend effort on debugging it if i can't get it to boot my machine. so i will redo the whole thing in mbr if needed.
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413 [04:18:31] <somiaj> ryouma: replaced-url
414 [04:19:23] <somiaj> I think what you are asking is uncommon but possibe, I see various hits from google on how to do it, but nothign that seems to me to be a clear simple howto.
415 [04:20:48] <ryouma> huh, i figured it must be common. my idea is, if this machine dies, i just unplug and plug into a new machine. i thought gpt might be needed for new machines, not sure.
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418 [04:22:01] <ryouma> (i'd use syslinux, being supposedly more straightforward than grub, but ironically, having gotten grub to finally work it would be a health hit to try to figure syslinux out and use it)
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420 [04:22:07] <bites> i have a usb i made to work with both uefi and bios with both grub versions installed.
421 [04:22:26] <bites> i think there were instructions in the arch wiki.
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423 [04:23:21] <bites> i think it was this replaced-url
424 [04:23:30] <bites> looks about right.
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426 [04:23:49] <somiaj> ryouma: gtp has advantages, but most new machiens support legacy. In gerneral I would say use gtp for uefi boot and mbr for legacy boot. Might be nice to just stick to mbr/legacy boot (most new machines can boot from this). Unless you have a large drive in which mbr partitiosn are to small
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428 [04:24:24] <somiaj> there are ways to use uefi boot on mbr partition tables, and legacy boot on gtp parittion tables, but this to me seems uncommon, but yes possible
429 [04:24:43] <bites> hybrid mbr partition table :D
430 [04:25:22] <somiaj> ryouma: if your drive isn't bigger than 2TB, I don't think you get that much advantage from gtp
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432 [04:25:53] <somiaj> or if you use tons of partitions and don't want to use the 4 primary + extended partitions of mbr
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434 [04:26:50] <Azrael_-> what fs should i use for a ~16tb partition?
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436 [04:27:22] <ryouma> hmm, well /this/ drive is small, but i awnt to make a future 4tb external drive bootable. so i figured i would learn it now. but my threshold for learning it is, i unfortunately can't put too much effort in, so if it's going to be too much for me, i will convert to mbr in fdisk.
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438 [04:28:02] <somiaj> Azrael_-: I would say ext4 is fine, though unless you have a very specific reason to use a different file system on linux, I say stick with the standard of ext4. It works good in most cases, and is very stable.
439 [04:28:14] <ryouma> iirc fdisk has a bootable flag you can set even in gpt. i wonder if that is enough to get it to work.
440 [04:28:27] <somiaj> ryouma: well there are various guides you can find in google, if you ahve time, try to follow one.
441 [04:28:47] <somiaj> ryouma: according to the link I shared, that won't work in newer versions of fdisk that support gpt.
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443 [04:28:48] <Azrael_-> somiaj: k
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445 [04:30:27] <ryouma> somiaj: i'm thinking maybe your url is a bit old, if it does not really update for grub 2 and teh fact that fdisk can do gpt now?
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448 [04:32:21] <somiaj> I would just look around on google and find something that seems promising then.
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453 [04:33:06] <ryouma> ok, thanks. will try. but getting a bit intimidated. maybe i should convert to mbr.
454 [04:33:39] <michael2> ryouma: what are you trying to do?
455 [04:33:40] <ryouma> it's not like mbr has been bad, and if most new systems boot it then np
456 [04:33:43] <somiaj> it might be the easiest at this time, dpeneding on how much time you want to play with it.
457 [04:33:56] <somiaj> michael2: boot legacy on a gtp partition table.
458 [04:34:07] <somiaj> in this case from an old BIOS only machine (no uefi)
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460 [04:34:42] <ryouma> yes
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462 [04:34:58] <michael2> so use a GUID partition layout - but have it get read by legacy BIOS firmware?
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464 [04:35:16] <michael2> so you can load a 4TB hard disk on this setup?
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467 [04:36:15] <ryouma> yes
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469 [04:36:23] <ryouma> (except i am trying it on a smaller drive)
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471 [04:36:35] <ryouma> both external drives
472 [04:36:49] <michael2> ryouma: to test it first? yeah, there are tricky rules around block addressing when you try to address disks that big
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483 [04:51:02] <axdoomer> I have a device that I connect to my computer. It loads a kernel module automatically (the driver). I need to pass a module parameter to it to enable the debug mode. How can I make it so that a parameter is passed automatically each time the module is loaded? I could unload the module and reload it with the parameter every time, but the device doesn't behave correctly when I do this.
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491 [04:59:57] <somiaj> axdoomer: add the module and paramerers in a file in /etc/modprobe.d
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499 [05:10:35] <ryouma> michael2: i kinda assumed that while getting booting to work on an external 4tb drive on legacy bios might be tricky, that i'd at least be able to have a 4tb drive work as a drive. not true?
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512 [05:18:24] <michael2> ryouma: my understanding - and Im sure there are people here who know better - is that once you go have block numbers beyond what a classic MBR partition table can address you need to start implementing workarounds/hacks to the MBR entries - where EFI are kind of "standardising" the hacks. so the issue for large (2TB +) is addressibility of blocks in the partition table - I can't see how the boot flag could
513 [05:18:26] <michael2> be a problem
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517 [05:19:51] <n-iCe> how do I activate the click on touchpad'
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520 [05:21:40] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: version of debian & DE/WM?
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522 [05:22:27] <n-iCe> xfce last testing
523 [05:22:57] <Azrael_-> what desktop is currently suggested best with debian?
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527 [05:24:08] <awal1> Not really used to chromium but I use it sometimes. How to remove completely chromium browsing history?
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530 [05:24:48] <awal1> via setting , deleting all history/since beginning, doesn't delete really all
531 [05:24:54] <awal1> settings
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536 [05:27:10] <n-iCe> how do I activate the click on touchpad?
537 [05:27:32] <awal1> synclient TapButton1=1
538 [05:27:33] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: please be patient.
539 [05:27:45] <awal1> n-iCe ^
540 [05:27:45] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: Assuming you're using libinput: synclient TapButton1=1 - you can put that in your .xinitrc for it to be permanent
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543 [05:29:47] <awal1> n-iCe, if you execute "synclient" you get all the settings. easy to modify, just check man synclient
544 [05:29:49] <bug> awal1, try bleachbit
545 [05:30:26] <n-iCe> bash: synclient: command not found
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547 [05:30:49] <awal1> bug, i use it yeah, but chromium still preventing total delete
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554 [05:33:15] <n-iCe> Done, worked.
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556 [05:33:22] <n-iCe> is it gonna be on every boot?
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558 [05:33:33] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: if you put it in the .xinitrc, then yes
559 [05:34:11] <awal1> .xsession instead of .xinitrc if you use a display manager
560 [05:34:26] <SlidingHorn> ^^ n-iCe
561 [05:34:31] <bug> awal1, well, you could always save bookmarks and just delete the chromium directory under ~/ i guess.
562 [05:34:36] <n-iCe> I use xfce
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564 [05:34:45] <n-iCe> I don't have any of those files
565 [05:34:59] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: do you have a graphical login?
566 [05:35:07] <n-iCe> yes
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569 [05:36:01] <awal1> create it: open terminal and run nano .xsession insert synclient TapButton1=1 the Ctrl-o-Enter for save followed by Ctrl-x for close
570 [05:36:06] <n-iCe> ok
571 [05:36:16] <awal1> log out from xfce and login back
572 [05:36:31] <n-iCe> done, thanks
573 [05:36:46] <awal1> n-iCe, synclient TapButton1=1 &
574 [05:37:09] <awal1> better add & after synclient TapButton1=1
575 [05:37:14] <awal1> synclient TapButton1=1 &
576 [05:37:22] <n-iCe> doe
577 [05:37:23] <n-iCe> done
578 [05:38:19] <n-iCe> now I See some erros at boot
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580 [05:39:43] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: what we gave you isn't invoked until you start a session, so that is likely unrelated
581 [05:40:36] <n-iCe> yes, I'm gonna post the errors, just trying to install chromium but is not opening
582 [05:40:40] <n-iCe> Calling _exit(1). Core file will not be generated.
583 [05:40:44] <n-iCe> with chromium, weird
584 [05:41:18] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: what is the command that you're trying to run?
585 [05:41:26] <n-iCe> chromium
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587 [05:44:20] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: please pastebin the output of the following: apt-cache policy chromium
588 [05:45:00] <n-iCe> I removed it, and installed google chrome itself.
589 [05:45:28] <bug> o jeez
590 [05:45:53] <awal1> n-iCe you added & to the end of your synclient command , right? (synclient TapButton1=1 &)
591 [05:46:13] <n-iCe> yes awal1 thanks
592 [05:46:18] <awal1> good
593 [05:46:19] <n-iCe> those are the boot errors replaced-url
594 [05:46:59] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: one thing at a time, please....are you using chromium or chrome??
595 [05:47:15] <n-iCe> chrome, removed chromium, solved.
596 [05:47:33] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: okay - just note that chrome is unsupported
597 [05:47:51] <n-iCe> where, here?
598 [05:47:54] <SlidingHorn> yes
599 [05:47:59] <n-iCe> ok
600 [05:48:08] <n-iCe> and the boot error, what do you think?
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602 [05:49:47] <SlidingHorn> I haven't looked at it
603 [05:49:51] <n-iCe> ok
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605 [05:50:47] <n-iCe> I think I need those, xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
606 [05:51:27] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: did you read the website it refers you to?
607 [05:52:57] <n-iCe> yes, replaced-url
608 [05:53:27] <n-iCe> but did not find a solution for my problem.
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611 [05:54:39] <n-iCe> SlidingHorn: do you?
612 [05:56:59] <n-iCe> done, apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics
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617 [05:59:09] <n-iCe> going to reboot and check
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793 [07:50:00] <zerocool> anyone have a btrfs volume around?
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797 [07:57:34] <at0m> dpkg: tell zerocool about anyone
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801 [08:04:02] <SporkWitch> zerocool: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later.
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865 [09:37:53] <noobFirstday> i installed gns3 but i got an old without new features i need to go through a book exercises
866 [09:38:04] <noobFirstday> how do i get the latest version?
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878 [09:48:52] <cef> noobFirstday: the latest version in debian is 0.8.7 which is very outdated. The person who packaged it seems to know there's a later version but has no time to package it (bug mentioning it is way old).. your best bet would be to remove gns3 from your system and compile your own version from source.
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880 [09:49:55] <at0m> ,v gns3
881 [09:49:56] <judd> Package: gns3 on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.7.4-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.8.6-3~bpo70+1; buster/contrib: 0.8.7-2; jessie/contrib: 0.8.7-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.7-2; stretch/contrib: 0.8.7-2
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883 [09:50:50] <cef> at0m: gns3 is very very old. it's scheduled for removal from sid/buster on the 9th May.
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885 [09:52:00] <antto> ,v gcc-avr
886 [09:52:01] <judd> Package: gcc-avr on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.7.2-2; jessie: 1:4.8.1+Atmel3.4.4-2; stretch: 1:4.9.2+Atmel3.5.3-1; buster: 1:5.4.0+Atmel3.6.0-1+b1; sid: 1:5.4.0+Atmel3.6.0-1+b1
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889 [09:56:27] <cef> noobFirstday: There's a bunch of virtial machine images of gns3 that you can download from their website.
890 [09:56:36] <cef> err, virtual even
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916 [10:14:33] <superlinux> hello. what is the alternative of "Down them all " on Firefox with multithreaded downloading?
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927 [10:19:08] <liveuser-work> how see free disk space on filesystem?
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939 [10:27:07] <nkuttler> liveuser-work: man df
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941 [10:29:38] <cef> liveuser-work: As nkuttler says, `df` is the command you want. From a terminal, try `df -h`. If you want just the filesystem that you're currently using (ie: where you are in the terminal) use `df -h .`
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944 [10:30:08] <liveuser-work> cef so the persistence didn't mount
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951 [10:35:07] <nkuttler> persistence?
952 [10:35:35] <cef> No idea. Might have me confused with someone else..?
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955 [10:36:41] <liveuser-work> nkuttler: working from a live image
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961 [10:40:49] <liveuser-work> how printing partition labels?
962 [10:41:08] <antto> how can i search for a specific filename like "blah.o" in all subdirectories of /usr/ where "blah.o" might be an actual file *or* a symlink to a file?
963 [10:41:20] <cef> liveuser-work: you mean hot to get the uuid?
964 [10:42:27] <liveuser-work> e2labels
965 [10:43:24] <cef> liveuser-work: there's also `lsblk --fs`
966 [10:43:39] <cef> liveuser-work: shows for everything that's currently mounted
967 [10:44:02] <nkuttler> antto: man find?
968 [10:44:05] <cef> actually shows for everything it can see
969 [10:44:27] <antto> nkuttler i mean, do i need something extra to look for symlinks too?
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971 [10:44:40] <liveuser-work> mounted?
972 [10:44:57] <liveuser-work> then the persistence is mounted
973 [10:44:58] <cef> mounted = in use.
974 [10:45:06] <liveuser-work> in use
975 [10:45:10] <nkuttler> antto: what do you mean?
976 [10:45:27] <liveuser-work> though unpacking linux source complained not enough free space
977 [10:45:32] <cef> `lsblk --fs` will show all the filesystems the machine thinks are available, whether mounted or not.
978 [10:45:38] <nkuttler> antto: see -type in man find?
979 [10:45:53] <antto> i'm just confused, i'll read the info
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985 [10:51:45] <liveuser-work> something is not right
986 [10:52:04] <liveuser-work> df reports the overlay 100% used
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988 [10:52:35] <liveuser-work> though not much was installed
989 [10:52:56] <liveuser-work> is there something to show files by size?
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992 [10:57:13] <liveuser-work> hello id4rk_
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994 [10:58:28] <liveuser-work> talk about the future
995 [11:01:38] <liveuser-work> id4rk_: privmsg if you like
996 [11:01:45] <linux54> lineuser-work: apt-get clean might help
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998 [11:04:01] <liveuser-work> wow after apt-get clean it reads 89% used
999 [11:04:32] <liveuser-work> 5GB
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1001 [11:05:05] <liveuser-work> less than 1GB was installed as far as I looked
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1003 [11:06:09] <liveuser-work> unless he linu z has some impressive compression
1004 [11:06:23] <liveuser-work> linux xz file
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1007 [11:07:31] <liveuser-work> it looks like it's extracion was rolledback anyhow
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1009 [11:07:51] <liveuser-work> the linux dir is empty
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1011 [11:09:07] <liveuser-work> dpkg-dev was installed and binutils-doc
1012 [11:09:40] <liveuser-work> and apt-get source linux
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1015 [11:10:16] <liveuser-work> did that chew up nearly 5000mb?
1016 [11:10:53] <liveuser-work> so much for work
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1018 [11:11:48] <liveuser-work> toon town, pickup a hammer and it expands into a massive rubber parade floater of a hammer
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1022 [11:12:51] <liveuser-work> now hit the nail on the head
1023 [11:13:17] <liveuser-work> helium pours out of the hammer
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1025 [11:14:18] <liveuser-work> toon town
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1028 [11:14:53] <liveuser-work> _systemd_is_evil: yeah what about it
1029 [11:15:03] <liveuser-work> is it on all of the routers
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1036 [11:18:21] <liveuser-work> is rodger rabbit on channel?
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1038 [11:18:47] <liveuser-work> toon town
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1041 [11:21:03] <liveuser-work> hey bu there's a lot of music going on
1042 [11:21:20] <liveuser-work> what's going on in the world today!
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1044 [11:23:03] <liveuser-work> id4rk_ don't care to talk?
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1046 [11:23:50] <liveuser-work> does anybody need anymore females?
1047 [11:24:00] <Caterpillar> rotfl
1048 [11:24:05] <liveuser-work> need any hive whores?
1049 [11:24:08] <nkuttler> liveuser-work: this is a support channel. go to ##chat if you don't have support questions
1050 [11:24:13] <liveuser-work> they are swarming me again
1051 [11:24:15] <nkuttler> !ops
1052 [11:24:15] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1053 [11:24:22] <nkuttler> !ops ^^
1054 [11:24:23] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
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1056 [11:24:46] <liveuser-work> funny after the police swarm here come the girls
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1062 [11:26:22] <liveuser-work> nkuttler: how seeing the files
1063 [11:26:37] <liveuser-work> find what chewed up 89% of 5GB
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1066 [11:27:54] <nkuttler> liveuser-work: please, make an effort to ask intelligible questions
1067 [11:29:05] <nkuttler> see man ls, man du, man find
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1074 [11:33:07] <liveuser-work> id4rk_: later
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1205 [12:36:40] <antto> ,v avr-libc
1206 [12:36:41] <judd> Package: avr-libc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.8.0-2; jessie: 1:1.8.0+Atmel3.4.4-1; stretch: 1:1.8.0+Atmel3.5.0-1; buster: 1:2.0.0+Atmel3.6.0-1; sid: 1:2.0.0+Atmel3.6.0-1
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1231 [13:02:46] <booyah> what is the recommended mewthod nowdays to run my ~/firewall.sh before any other networking is active / before cards can be up?
1232 [13:03:53] <exifbono> hello everyone. I have a debian with FDE, but when it boots I have an " unexpected irq trap at vector ab " and the decrypt password wont work. This is something. Any help?
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1236 [13:04:29] <noodlepie> Whut's FDE?
1237 [13:04:56] <noodlepie> Full Dis encryption?
1238 [13:04:59] <noodlepie> disk
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1240 [13:05:04] <noodlepie> @:P-~
1241 [13:05:06] <exifbono> Yes, full disk encryption noodlepie
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1243 [13:05:13] <noodlepie> ok
1244 [13:05:18] <noodlepie> can't help, no idea
1245 [13:05:27] <exifbono> thanks anyway, noodlepie =)
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1258 [13:17:24] <nkuttler> exifbono: use the correct password? the message logged to the console shouldn't have any effect
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1260 [13:17:47] <nkuttler> exifbono: if in doubt, boot from a live distro and mount it from there..
1261 [13:18:27] <exifbono> nkuttler, password is correct, if it wasn't this message of the irq trap is anyway something new and seems unlikely that the two things are unrelated
1262 [13:18:45] <nkuttler> boot something else, mount from there
1263 [13:19:09] <nkuttler> or try booting a different kernel
1264 [13:19:29] <noodlepie> That's OK. I would have liked to have been more helpful. Perhaps I should learn FDE and LVm and all that but I'm happy with UEFI boot and genkernal, for local customisation, at the moment.
1265 [13:19:34] <noodlepie> @:P-~
1266 [13:19:36] <exifbono> How can I boot/install a different kernel without decrypting?
1267 [13:20:03] <nkuttler> exifbono: i you encrypted /boot, you can't..
1268 [13:20:10] <nkuttler> boot something else, mount from there
1269 [13:20:17] <exifbono> anyway I don't have the device with me right now, I'm doing remote help, as soon as I get phisical access I'll mount a live and see what happens from there
1270 [13:20:33] <exifbono> boot is unencrypted, sure thing, couldn't get to GRUB otherwise =)
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1272 [13:20:49] <nkuttler> don't you know how to use the grub shellß
1273 [13:20:53] <nkuttler> ?
1274 [13:21:49] <noodlepie> Why couldn't you get to Grub on an encyrpted disk, ah, oh because you don't have the passphrase/can't get it to work... :P
1275 [13:21:53] <noodlepie> hehe
1276 [13:23:11] <exifbono> nkuttler, hint taken, I haven't thought of using the grub shell to use a different kernel... I'll study how to do that, thanks!
1277 [13:24:04] <exifbono> noodlepie, usually in FDE /boot is unencrypted, otherwise you couldn't even get luks to work, afaik
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1292 [13:32:24] <noodlepie> LUKs is new to me too, hehe. I really only want to learn C++ STL Templates more fully. I've a hunch there are a few clues here, in STL I mean, tidy programming and all that!
1293 [13:32:31] <noodlepie> @:P-~
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1372 [14:21:19] <dka> what is the easiest way to run an android emulator on debian ?
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1374 [14:21:27] <dka> i want to play a multiplayer game I have on my phone
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1378 [14:22:10] <noodlepie> dka, dunno, Android X86?
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1380 [14:23:22] <dka> how do I start noodlepie ?
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1382 [14:23:46] <noodlepie> are you using android-ndk or android-studio?
1383 [14:24:30] <noodlepie> I didn't know there was an Android environment for Linux in general. Still its Open Source so someone has probably built it?
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1456 [15:11:50] <Vonor_> o/
1457 [15:13:26] <Vonor_> trying to install 32 bit version of java plugin (icedtea-8-plugin). already tried with "dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt update; apt install icedtea-8-plugin" but it's still the 64 bit version
1458 [15:14:45] <SirLagz> Vonor_: apt-get install icedtea-8-plugin:386 ?
1459 [15:14:51] <SirLagz> er, i386, not 386
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1463 [15:19:43] <operhiem1> Does that give different behavior? That'd be surprising, but I'm not familiar with it.
1464 [15:19:50] <themill> it doesn't
1465 [15:20:06] <operhiem1> By way of maybe-relevant background, I had a drive fail, and my btrfs root fs is currently degraded. I'm trying to apply a kernel package upgrade, but update-initramfs fails with "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `'.
1466 [15:20:14] <operhiem1> sorry, there was a newline in there
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1468 [15:21:04] <operhiem1> I found replaced-url
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1470 [15:21:04] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1642 [17:10:01] <Azrael_-> how bad is it if i use snapd for installing applications?
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1653 [17:15:02] <somiaj> Azrael_-: have you looked into the deatils. I personally just stick to stuff in the debian repos. Things that you want that are not available in the debian repos you should not be core components, and should be isolated from the debian system in places like /usr/local, /opt, or even $HOME. Provided snapd correctly isolates this software from the debian system it should be okay.
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1657 [17:15:44] <Azrael_-> somiaj: thanks, didn't dig enough into the details yet
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1660 [17:16:46] <dionysus69> I am removing mysql/mariadb from kde/debian which got installed with the system
1661 [17:16:52] <dionysus69> it tells me it will remove akonadi-backend-mysql
1662 [17:16:58] <dionysus69> default-mysql-server-core
1663 [17:17:16] <dionysus69> it tells me it will install akonadi-backend-sqlite
1664 [17:17:21] <dionysus69> is that even needed?
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1668 [17:18:11] <somiaj> dionysus69: you can run aptitude why akonadi-backend-sqlite, and see why it is needed. But many apps need do use some database to store stuff. I think firefox also uses sqlite.
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1670 [17:18:33] <somiaj> or if you haven't finished the command, run aptitude why akonadi-backend-mysql and see what is requring this package.
1671 [17:18:44] <minus> what is akonadi even
1672 [17:18:47] <somiaj> dionysus69: in essence if apt says it needs it, it is needed (though it could be recommended)
1673 [17:19:16] <minus> booted newly installed server - forget placing my ssh pubkey. derp.
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1675 [17:19:35] <somiaj> minus: according to apt search, then apt show akonadi-server, it is a cross-desktop Personal Information Management system, that maybe kde is using.
1676 [17:19:58] <dionysus69> it can use akonadi-backend-postgresql I guess
1677 [17:20:03] <dionysus69> I will go with that one
1678 [17:20:03] <minus> i feel enlightened (not)
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1680 [17:20:07] <dionysus69> since I am installing psql
1681 [17:20:12] <minus> postgres is a good choice 👍
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1685 [17:20:45] <somiaj> dionysus69: yea looks like there are various backend databases akonadi can use. It does look like it is part of kde. Unsure how core it is, but it appears it at least is part of the metapackage.
1686 [17:20:52] <minus> >It is one of the “pillars” (core technologies) behind the KDE SC 4 project
1687 [17:20:56] <minus> i guess you need that
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1690 [17:21:14] <dionysus69> akonadi seems to be some PIM personal information management system
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1692 [17:21:27] <dionysus69> which seems like a weird niche thing to include in a DE
1693 [17:21:27] <minus> replaced-url
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1697 [17:22:13] <minus> uninstall it and see if everything still works
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1704 [17:24:11] <dionysus69> to see what still works :D it's not an app
1705 [17:24:24] <dionysus69> not sure which apps use it and for what but it will show up I guess
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1803 [18:08:04] <minus> Azrael_-: you just set up initramfs with dropbear, right? do you tear down the ip connectivity before continuing the boot?
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1835 [18:25:01] <minus> hm, it should do that by default anyway; for some reason it wasn't working properly before but does now
1836 [18:25:10] <minus> FDE success!
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1944 [19:26:25] <squarecircle> ohai
1945 [19:27:32] <squarecircle> we have some Debian 9 here and using Gnome 3 as DE. But it starts very slowly. After it boot up, it takes about 40-60 seconds to start the Gnome login screen
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1947 [19:27:52] <squarecircle> meanwhile one can use a tty[1-7]
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1949 [19:28:27] <noodlepie> yep
1950 [19:28:40] <squarecircle> what can we do to fix this?
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1952 [19:28:57] <squarecircle> the system is already using a ssd
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1954 [19:30:17] <squarecircle> neither my current Arch, nor my various Debian [8,9] boxes need that long to start the Gnome shell
1955 [19:30:41] <squarecircle> does this indicates a hardware error?
1956 [19:32:27] <squarecircle> any idea where to start debugging?
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1959 [19:36:22] <booyah> squarecircle: all of /var/log (latest files)?
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1983 [19:54:25] <jelly> squarecircle: what does systemd-analyze say, which services are waited for?
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1988 [19:58:39] <squarecircle> jelly: its stacus problem
1989 [19:58:53] <squarecircle> jelly: hes irceable now :]
1990 [19:59:16] <squarecircle> jelly: booyah thank you for your help :D
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2009 [20:14:30] <squarecircle> stacu: systemd-analyze
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2012 [20:16:02] <stacu> jelly: $ sudo systemd-analyze
2013 [20:16:05] <stacu> Startup finished in 2.923s (kernel) + 1.172s (userspace) = 4.096s
2014 [20:16:39] <rant> you mean systemd-analyze blame
2015 [20:16:53] <rant> if you want to see individual service unit times
2016 [20:16:53] <jelly> that doesn't sound like gdm took a long time or anything
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2019 [20:19:20] <stacu> rant: replaced-url
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2021 [20:20:22] <stacu> I noticed that all times listet are in ms range, but the time to load the loginscreen takes about 2min
2022 [20:21:15] <newuser01> Hi, I just finished installing Debian 9 ....Aftre log in I see only the wallpaper ....Nothing else ...Please help me out
2023 [20:21:31] <jelly> so time to start gdm isn't actually time that gdm takes to start
2024 [20:21:34] <jelly> 23ms gdm.service
2025 [20:21:43] <rant> well ass jelly said the fact that all ovr userspace took only about 1sec makes the whole breakdown not real important, but it seems gdm was only 23ms
2026 [20:22:20] <jelly> hopefully someone actually uses gdm and gnome around here and can help
2027 [20:22:50] <squarecircle> first two things match, the third sadly not :/
2028 [20:23:15] <rant> but if you're talking about time taken FROM login at GDM until gnome is ready to use, thats no longer under systemd's purview
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2030 [20:23:40] <rant> that is gnome-session taking it from there
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2032 [20:24:23] <newuser01> Any ideas ?
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2035 [20:24:55] <stacu> the timespan I mean is the one from where it says "dev/sda1: clean N files, N blocks" to the login screen
2036 [20:25:48] <stacu> I can use tty2 via ALT+RIGHT
2037 [20:26:14] <stacu> and after ~2min the gnome-login just appears
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2041 [20:27:48] <newuser01> Can anyone help ?
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2046 [20:30:31] <squarecircle> newuser01: which desktop environment do you use?
2047 [20:30:59] <newuser01> squarecircle: XFCE
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2049 [20:33:13] <squarecircle> newuser01: how much RAM do you have?
2050 [20:33:25] <newuser01> squarecircle: 4GB
2051 [20:33:54] <rant> stacu: well things like filesystem or network hangups are not uncommon but systemd's asynchronus approach is suppose to address that and its accounting of the boot is not showing the entire process having taken more than 5sec so that is the real mystery if you are not exaggerating
2052 [20:34:56] <rant> stacu: I'd try installing lightdm and setting it to the default and see if this issue still occurs, which would rule out if gdm is actually the problem or not
2053 [20:35:05] <squarecircle> rant: hes not ^^ sadly
2054 [20:35:35] <squarecircle> newuser01: Laptop with optimus?
2055 [20:35:54] <newuser01> squarecircle: No desktop ...Intel graphics
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2057 [20:39:10] <squarecircle> newuser01: hm, I have no idea, sorry
2058 [20:39:21] <jg> I am considering moving from Ubuntu to Debian. The question is unstable/testing/stable. When I last used Debian a decade or so ago, stable was too stale, unstable too often broken, and testing, was, well, broken... What would today's advice be?
2059 [20:39:36] <alkisg> stable :)
2060 [20:39:51] <squarecircle> stable :)
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2064 [20:40:48] <squarecircle> newuser01: I'd try another Desktop
2065 [20:41:00] <squarecircle> newuser01: for working around the problem
2066 [20:41:09] <squarecircle> newuser01: eg lxde
2067 [20:41:29] <squarecircle> newuser01: I hope some other competent user may help you :)
2068 [20:41:38] <newuser01> squarecircle: OKay
2069 [20:42:43] <squarecircle> newuser01: personnally, I'd recommend Gnome, but that is very big and consumes a lot of computing power (in comparison)
2070 [20:42:45] <stacu> rant: thank you for helping :) with lightdm the desktop environment loads immediatly
2071 [20:44:35] <rant> stacu: are you just goingg to use lightdm from now on or are you still looking to debug gdm?
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2073 [20:44:39] <noodlepie> GNOME/Mate/GNUStep are the True GNU experiences on your computer
2074 [20:44:53] <noodlepie> not Mate, I meant GNOME 2
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2076 [20:45:50] <squarecircle> I'm off
2077 [20:46:48] <stacu> rant: with lightdm the login appears immidiately, however it still takes ~15sec until it shows my desktop :/
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2079 [20:47:46] <stacu> rant: personally I'd prefer gdm, but if I can get lightdm to run perfectly it would be fine too
2080 [20:48:04] <rant> stacu: yeah thats just the time its taking to start the gnome-session you should be able to fine tune that and remove any things you dont need.. I havent used Gnome in ages but gnome session always started a lot of crap that wasnt really needed
2081 [20:49:06] <rant> stacu: in mate its in System > Preferences > Personal > Startup Applications
2082 [20:49:25] <rant> probably something similar in modern gnome that lets you tweak the startup
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2084 [20:50:07] <stacu> rant: I just re-installed debian, so there should not be too much in there
2085 [20:50:34] <rant> heh.. yeah.. you apparently never payed much attention to how much cruft is in a DE
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2090 [20:51:31] <stacu> rant: just checked, currently there are no startup applications listed
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2092 [20:51:52] <rant> hmm odd.. mine shows far fewer than I remember but it still shows dbus, orca, etc
2093 [20:52:28] <rant> it should be starting the panels, the desktop program, window manager, various backends for filesystem auto mounting, IPC, etc
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2101 [20:55:29] <Ingvix> Hey, I need to know where is the ethernet device in the system so I can add it to certain services .service file's "after" section. For another service I found my openvpn*s virtual network device from /dev/devices/virtual/net/tun0 but can't seem to locate the corresponding directory for the ethernet.
2102 [20:55:38] <stacu> rant: $ ls ~/.config/autostart/ its empty :/
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2104 [20:56:49] <rant> yeah I'm not talking about idk what you'd call em.. but user-defined startup apps, I'm talking about the DE's components
2105 [20:57:00] <rant> gvfsd, dbus, gnome-panel..etc
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2107 [20:58:16] <Holic> hi
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2111 [21:01:20] <stacu> rant: I found 2 ways to list them, the one I showed you and via gnome-session-properties, which just returns "command not found"
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2114 [21:03:53] <rant> stacu: if you're really concerned about lag, it wouldnt hurt to check your logs look for any errors that may be hanging thigs up.. check something like smart or something to look for any issues with your disks..etc
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2116 [21:04:48] <rant> stacu: and then if you still dont find any clues, I'd start a plain X session where it starts nothing but a terminal and then run the components of your DE individually and see which ones are taking a long time to start while you can see their output on that terminal
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2119 [21:05:45] <rant> stacu: though the easiest solution is like the one we already did, where you switch from something bloated to something made to be lightweight like the GDM->lightdm thing.. Cinnamon, LXDE, XFCE..etc are all lighter.. even MATE is ligther than gnome
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2121 [21:06:33] <rant> stacu: but without doing some investigation you wont know if you have some more pressing underlying issue like a disk failing or something
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2123 [21:08:07] <rant> personally startup/login times never really bothered me cause its not something I do often .. its more it being slow after I'm logged in and trying to do things that worries me
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2125 [21:09:07] <rant> I'm tickled pink that this thin client I started using and installed stretch on, boots in under 20seconds
2126 [21:09:24] <rant> yours is booting in under 5s so.. heh
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2141 [21:19:42] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^ I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
2142 [21:19:47] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^ I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
2143 [21:19:57] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^ I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
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2147 [21:20:43] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^ I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
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2151 [21:21:05] <stacu> lag... sorry :(
2152 [21:21:29] <squarecircle> learning how to irc you must, young padawan
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2154 [21:21:41] <squarecircle> :]
2155 [21:21:58] <rant> stacu: are you accessing your client over ssh by chance?
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2157 [21:22:19] <stacu> rant: xD maaaayyybe
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2159 [21:22:31] <rant> I've been using mosh lately.. drastically improves ssh lag issues
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2161 [21:23:16] <rant> I'm using a f'n mesh collander with a really old netgear usb dongle taped to it for internet from a distant hotspot.. so I know lag :P
2162 [21:23:32] <rant> mosh has made my life much easier :P
2163 [21:23:49] <rant> !mosh
2164 [21:23:49] <dpkg> well, mosh is a tool used to connect from a client computer to a server over the Internet, to run a remote terminal. Mosh is similar to SSH, with additional features meant to improve usability for mobile users
2165 [21:23:54] <stacu> I'll take a look into that then ;) thanks, I'm off now
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2168 [21:24:23] <rant> thats a rather vague factoid
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2182 [21:33:35] <dbvm_> why do network interface names keep on changing on updates or if one repositions gpu in a different pcie slot? I understand that I can set a static name for my nic but just curious why the change as it seems rather dangerous if one hasn't setup the fixed name
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2186 [21:34:34] <dbvm_> could easily lose servers after an upgrade this way
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2190 [21:36:54] <minus> dbvm_: you can create a udev rule to fix the named based on its mac address
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2192 [21:37:56] <dbvm_> minus: yup I've looked that up, just surprised that network interfaces are now handled this way
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2194 [21:39:00] <dbvm_> might be just my lack of knowledge but I fail to see the benefit
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2203 [21:45:16] <minus> dbvm_: if you have two network interfaces their order (eth0/eth1) could possibly change from one boot to the next
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2205 [21:45:39] <tomnor> the gnome-calendar is off by two hours, showing two hours more than other things
2206 [21:45:48] <tomnor> how do I deal with that?
2207 [21:46:16] <tomnor> the desktop calendar is correct
2208 [21:46:23] <tomnor> the one seen all the time
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2221 [21:52:58] <tomnor> how do I make gnome-calendar display times in my time-zone and not cest
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2239 [22:02:14] <rant> tomnor: what does the command date show?
2240 [22:02:27] <rant> Sun May 6 16:02:46 EDT 2018
2241 [22:02:56] <rant> if it shows CEST there, then your timezone is wrong in the system, when you fix the system timezone the apps will all change as well
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2243 [22:03:08] <tomnor> sön 6 maj 2018 22:02:51 CEST
2244 [22:03:13] <rant> !timezone
2245 [22:03:14] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
2246 [22:03:34] <tomnor> rant: ok
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2249 [22:03:43] <rant> as root, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
2250 [22:03:43] <tomnor> rant: how do I fix it?
2251 [22:03:48] <tomnor> ok
2252 [22:03:53] <rant> choose the correct timezone and all should be well after that
2253 [22:04:22] <rant> tomnor: out of curiousity what is the language on your system?
2254 [22:04:33] <tomnor> english
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2256 [22:04:59] <rant> "sön 6 maj" isnt english.. not even in Cockney :P
2257 [22:05:19] <tomnor> öhhh, sorry, ok it would be swedish then
2258 [22:05:33] <tomnor> but I mean..., what do I mean
2259 [22:05:45] <rant> ah.. thought it was something like that.. but knew it wasnt a language I knew
2260 [22:06:08] <tomnor> so for example other things in gnome is in english, like menus and such
2261 [22:06:51] <rant> yeah for the most part the terminal and X are two seperate worlds :P
2262 [22:07:02] <rant> different fonts, language settings, etc..
2263 [22:07:36] <rant> !locale
2264 [22:07:36] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
2265 [22:07:44] <rant> !locales
2266 [22:07:44] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
2267 [22:08:57] <tomnor> rant: the dpkg-reconfigure was defaulting to what I want -- europe stockholm
2268 [22:08:59] <rant> tomnor: if you wanna keep your term swedish, just use that LANG=C before a command when you run a command you're gonna paste for support purposes, otherwise use the dpkg-reconfigure locales to change your locale to english
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2271 [22:09:35] <tomnor> I think my locale is english, how do I show you?
2272 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2273 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LANGUAGE=
2274 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
2275 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
2276 [22:09:55] <tomnor> LC_TIME=sv_SE.UTF-8
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2279 [22:10:42] <tomnor> rant: I was kicked out
2280 [22:10:50] <tomnor> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2281 [22:10:57] <tomnor> LC_TIME=sv_SE.UTF-8
2282 [22:11:18] <tomnor> the rest is en_us...
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2287 [22:12:48] <tomnor> are you good at the ics formats? I can check and show something from that if useful
2288 [22:13:31] <tomnor> DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20180610T200000 is shown as at 22:00
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2293 [22:17:36] <slxp> Hey all, is there a quick and easy way to remove all the stuff that came with Cinammon? I just switched to KDE and I have all these double programs now
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2306 [22:23:43] <_KaszpiR_> unfortunately Debian wasn't designed that way ;)
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2308 [22:25:05] <_KaszpiR_> slxp try 'apt-get purge packagename' and later 'apt-get autoremove'
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2310 [22:25:57] <at0m> slxp: there's also deborphan that looks for orphaned packages (on which no other package depends) and offers to remove them.
2311 [22:27:14] <rant> tomnor: thats a bit strange that only LC_TIME is different
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2313 [22:27:32] <rant> never seen that before.. I wonder how it got configured that way
2314 [22:27:57] <tomnor> I think it is me, wanting all to remain in english but the date and time formats
2315 [22:28:02] <tomnor> is that stupid
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2317 [22:28:25] <tomnor> for example, I dont want the , to mean decimal separator and such
2318 [22:28:37] <rant> it is to me cause I dont understand swedish.. heh.. but may not be to you :P
2319 [22:28:51] <tomnor> right
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2321 [22:29:13] <tomnor> but I am suspecting gnome-calendar to interpret the ics data to be in cest
2322 [22:29:17] <tomnor> maybe
2323 [22:30:00] <rant> I have varying levels of comprehension of a many languages, English, Pittsburghese, Spanish, Latin, French, German, Danish, Russian, Romanian, Japanese... but not Swedish :P
2324 [22:30:19] <tomnor> danish is close
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2326 [22:30:26] <tomnor> but I wouldn't understand it
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2328 [22:30:33] <rant> IIRC Sweden is one of those countries with a lot of "official languages"
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2330 [22:30:51] <tomnor> nja, not really
2331 [22:30:57] <tomnor> finland has two
2332 [22:31:11] <tomnor> we have a lot of dialects
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2335 [22:32:51] <rant> I must be confusing with Switzerland then.. that has more than two official languages
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2338 [22:34:13] <vlt> Even Germany has more than two.
2339 [22:36:15] <tomnor> there is a couple of minority languges in Sweden, such as Sami
2340 [22:36:24] <tomnor> and Finnish
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2354 [22:47:20] <CarlosSutana> hi. i'm on Debian Stretch with KDE and i have this screenshot utility - Spectacle
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2356 [22:47:48] <CarlosSutana> and it takes some really shitty screenshots . how can i tweak it
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2360 [22:50:37] <noodlepie> use gimp on the png image it tkaes?
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2362 [22:51:37] <noodlepie> or script it to output a file to some other utility you want to tweak/edit it with.
2363 [22:52:18] <hypn0> scrot?
2364 [22:53:28] <hypn0> or better still, change desktop :-)
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2429 [23:18:31] <Iridos> I think this happened after a pm-hibernate. My time is wrong by two hours, I did a dpkg-reconfigure tzdata … and that says that universal time is 23:17 and my local time is 1:17
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2434 [23:18:58] <Iridos> so somehow my local time is taken as utc time
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2443 [23:19:58] <petemc> utc is 21:19 now
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2445 [23:20:11] <petemc> oh, thats your point
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2447 [23:20:37] <Iridos> right
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2449 [23:21:32] <Iridos> that could be from the local clock on the laptop…
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2458 [23:22:20] <Iridos> but… oh, just took some time
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2465 [23:22:59] <Iridos> so I have local time in the bios and there is no ntpd restart that would fix it when unhibernating
2466 [23:23:39] <Iridos> this actually came from the yearly reboot to windows for the tax return forms
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2472 [23:24:34] <Iridos> ah, I can set "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime
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2658 [23:53:41] <abff> I'm having an issue with pulseaudio, trying to connect my desktop as a client to a pulse server running on my tv. both are debian, and I believe the issue is that when I copy to cookie from the server to my dt, it's not being copied correctly. I suspect this because `pactl info` returns two different cookie names even though I just copied one to the other and restarted both daemons
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