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57 [00:35:47] <tw> Trying to get my multimonitor arrangement to stick. Can I use /e/x/xorg.conf.d like normal? Settings there don't seem to work. replaced-url
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60 [00:37:11] <rabbitear_sdf> tw: man xorg look where xorg.conf.d can be
61 [00:37:26] <rabbitear_sdf> tw: also the order of it
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65 [00:40:19] <tw> so yes, it should totally work where I have it.
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70 [00:43:42] <rabbitear_sdf> tw: view /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look at what it is loading
71 [00:43:55] <rabbitear_sdf> tw: it will tell you the directories
72 [00:45:52] <Zepo> Hey, dunno If this is the right channel but I cant find another one(missing the word?) - I have a debian server running and was wondering if I could "kick" out a user who is using to much traffic for a while ?
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75 [00:50:31] <well_laid_lawn> mabbe try an iptable rule for the ip address
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77 [00:51:27] <tw> rabbitear_sdf: Says it is reading my directory, but it's not changing the layout. I probably need to specify more stuff, like a device section.
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172 [01:53:09] <TonyL> hello im upgrading a server from jessie to stretch(about time right?) and im getting an error when i use nano: bash: /usr/bin/nano: No such file or directory
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201 [02:17:06] <TonyL> dont matter, fixed it now.
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273 [03:01:53] <sivik_> anyone have any luck install python3 gtk 3? I have tried pip3 install PyGTK and it failed
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317 [03:37:36] <fareast> ok guys I installed debian real quick and it dumped me in console
318 [03:37:50] <fareast> I suppose the gui isn't enabled do you know how to get it up to gui login?
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324 [03:43:32] <dvs> fareast, depend which UI you want
325 [03:44:39] <fareast> I want the one that was on the website
326 [03:44:45] <fareast> what is that gnome?
327 [03:44:54] <fareast> i been working with kde
328 [03:44:58] <dvs> !install gnome
329 [03:44:58] <fareast> do you have any suggestions?
330 [03:44:58] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
331 [03:45:21] <fareast> ^is that an automated bot?
332 [03:45:26] <dvs> yup
333 [03:45:39] <fareast> I don't think there is an internet connection to it at the moment
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335 [03:45:47] <fareast> I would need an internet connection correct?
336 [03:45:54] <dvs> yes
337 [03:45:54] <fareast> or did deb load the package on the drive?
338 [03:46:12] <fareast> what do you think I should run dvs
339 [03:46:18] <fareast> I am looking for something with a gui
340 [03:46:27] <fareast> functional and cosmetic
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342 [03:46:39] <dvs> you said gnome
343 [03:46:48] <fareast> I am just guessing I don't know gnome much
344 [03:46:53] <dvs> i like kde
345 [03:47:00] <fareast> I have used kde mostly and mandrake like years ago back in the 90's
346 [03:47:11] <fareast> yeah I am agreeing with you
347 [03:47:21] <fareast> kde was the best from my experiences
348 [03:47:42] <fareast> so how would I do a kde install from the terminal say I plugged in a lan cable
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350 [03:48:02] <fareast> su owner apt-get debian-kde-meta or something along those lines?
351 [03:48:09] <dvs> !install kde
352 [03:48:09] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
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354 [03:48:27] <fareast> ok I am going to see.
355 [03:48:38] <fareast> damn battery is dead so i have to reboot it at another location
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362 [03:51:00] <fareast> i am su
363 [03:51:04] <fareast> what is the command to download kde
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366 [03:52:00] <fareast> nvm
367 [03:52:01] <fareast> got it
368 [03:52:17] <fareast> shit
369 [03:52:22] <fareast> failure to fetch everything
370 [03:52:43] <fareast> the network controller isn't initialized
371 [03:52:52] <fareast> I suppose i need to just reinstall
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378 [03:57:35] <awal1> fareast replaced-url
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381 [03:58:20] <fareast> I am just reinstalling it will guide me to the environment i just never checked anything off lol
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388 [04:00:39] <liveuser1> how can apt be prompted to repull and install dependencies for virtualbox
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391 [04:00:59] <liveuser1> it pulled kernel 4.15 but did not install it because of some other missing deps
392 [04:01:12] <dvs> fareast, reinstalling what?
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394 [04:01:31] <liveuser1> not apt-get install virtualbox doesn't run installing the deps
395 [04:01:36] <rabbitear_sdf> too much reading of old info
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399 [04:01:58] <rabbitear_sdf> reading is good, but too old play by play reading is bad
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401 [04:03:26] <liveuser1> looking for reiser4 support in kernel 4.15
402 [04:03:31] <liveuser1> before considering it for use
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404 [04:03:41] <somiaj> liveuser1: since virtualbox is only avalbiel in stretch-backports, apt -t stretch-backports install virtualbox should install any missing deps.
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429 [04:18:56] <meta-coder> Why are changelogs broken when I have deb.debian.org in sources.list
430 [04:19:31] <somiaj> what do you mean by broken?
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432 [04:20:34] <meta-coder> somiaj: 404 Not Found
433 [04:20:51] <meta-coder> Oh wait
434 [04:20:52] <rabbitear_sdf> meta-coder: a> its your fault
435 [04:21:05] <rabbitear_sdf> meta-coder: b> its still your fault
436 [04:21:45] <somiaj> rabbitear_sdf: please don't just add noise to a conversation.
437 [04:21:52] <meta-coder> It is broken for only some packages like linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64
438 [04:22:10] <meta-coder> 404 replaced-url
439 [04:22:20] <rabbitear_sdf> meta-coder: what domain are those packages pulling from?
440 [04:22:37] <rabbitear_sdf> meta-coder: its a true error 404
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443 [04:23:44] <meta-coder> rabbitear_sdf: as I said deb.debian.org mirror
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446 [04:24:32] <somiaj> meta-coder: what do you think there is a linux_4.9.88-1 changelog? I see no changelogs by that naming convention.
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448 [04:25:13] <somiaj> also I do not see the connection between the mirror deb.debian.org and getting a copy of the changelog from metadata.ftp-master-debian.org
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450 [04:25:27] <meta-coder> For some packages viewing the changelog in aptitude works, but "apt changelog" says changelog unavailable.
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453 [04:26:45] <somiaj> meta-coder: that works fine for me here, lets see some actual output. So you are saying 'apt changelog linux-image-amd64' is not working and giving you a 404? Can y ou produce the output of 'apt policy' and 'apt policy linux-image-amd64'
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455 [04:27:01] <somiaj> put it at a pastebin like paste.debian.net.
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459 [04:29:08] <somiaj> also note (check man apt-get) that apt changelog tries to download the changelog for the installed version. Unsure if maybe you are trying to fetch a changelog of some local package that isn't available on the debian repos, as that changelog you were looking for looks funky.
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461 [04:30:07] <meta-coder> somiaj: yes, looks like logs are not available for backports packages
462 [04:30:49] <somiaj> can you give some actual output. Give a package that this fails for. I think they should also be avalbile for backport packages too.
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465 [04:32:24] <somiaj> hmm, I can see the changelogs from backports, but for some reason I too got it failed to fetch, lets check the bug reports.
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468 [04:33:38] <meta-coder> somiaj: replaced-url
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472 [04:33:56] <agio> !check iso image
473 [04:33:57] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see replaced-url
474 [04:34:40] <agio> !check iso signature
475 [04:34:40] <somiaj> meta-coder: and you are trying to view the changelog for the security sources? I don't think the deb.debian.org mirror has much to do with this, as that is a package from security.
476 [04:34:40] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
477 [04:34:47] <somiaj> agio: you can /msg dpkg factiod
478 [04:35:33] <agio> somiaj: sorry for the noise. does that keep it private in my window only?
479 [04:35:42] <somiaj> agio: yes
480 [04:36:44] <meta-coder> somiaj: can't view changelog for packages uploaded to security?
481 [04:37:08] <somiaj> yes, but I'm unsure the best way. You can always just download the .deb and extract the changelog.
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484 [04:38:56] <somiaj> meta-coder: I'm unsure why the new security changelog is not on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org. It might just be it takes time to copy them over with secuirty, or they only get added during point releases when security merges with stable
485 [04:39:33] <somiaj> meta-coder: replaced-url
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489 [04:44:27] <meta-coder> The changelog link here is broken replaced-url
490 [04:44:30] <somiaj> I didn't see any bugs about this, but maybe a minor one that not all changelogs seem avaiable on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org and maybe apt changelog could fallback to the tracker to get change logs it can't find on metadata
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492 [04:45:02] <somiaj> yea, I don't know the deal here. It could just be that changelogs from security just take a little longer to get copied over because of how the packages are introduced into debian.
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494 [04:45:24] <somiaj> since most things seem to point tot he same place, I would give it a few days, if the changelog doesn't show up, maybe file a bug at least to find out why since you seem to use this feature.
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498 [04:46:52] <meta-coder> Ok
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632 [06:15:23] <Shmam> So I added /media/myUser/External Drive as an alias in my apache2.conf but when I try to visit the url, I get http 443 forbidden. /media/myUser/External Drive has permission 777 but /media/myUser has permissions 750. Is there any way that I can make this drive accessible from apache without changing the permissions for media/myUser?
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636 [06:18:23] <Shmam> or should/can I mount the drive to a different location?
637 [06:18:48] <blaztek> Shmam: add the apache user to myUser’s group maybe?
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639 [06:20:36] <Shmam> I dont know if there is an apache user. I dont see it in /etc/passwd
640 [06:21:07] <alkisg> Shmam: don't use automatic user mounts for apache directories; put them in /etc/fstab instead
641 [06:21:24] <alkisg> If you put them in /etc/fstab, you can set the owner/permissions to your liking
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643 [06:22:55] <Shmam> oh yeah I think this is what I want. Is there a command to add the drive to this or do I need to figure out how to do it by hand?
644 [06:23:14] <alkisg> Currently, what's the output of `mount | grep media` ?
645 [06:24:01] <Shmam> replaced-url
646 [06:24:39] <alkisg> fuseblk, what is that, ntfs?
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651 [06:25:17] <Shmam> how can I tell/find out?
652 [06:25:47] <Shmam> looks like its ntfs partition
653 [06:25:51] <Shmam> replaced-url
654 [06:25:53] <Shmam> according to that
655 [06:26:02] <alkisg> (sudo) lsblk --fs | grep /dev/sdb1
656 [06:26:19] <Shmam> nothing
657 [06:26:34] <alkisg> sudo blkid | grep /dev/sdb1
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659 [06:26:48] <Shmam> if I do it without grep then it finds sdb1 ntfs External drive
660 [06:26:51] <Shmam> and the UUID
661 [06:26:58] <alkisg> OK, ntfs it is then
662 [06:26:59] <Shmam> and mountpoint :O
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665 [06:27:13] <alkisg> replaced-url
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667 [06:28:16] <Shmam> should I unplug the drive when editing fstab? or just need to unplug and replug to use the new mount point?
668 [06:28:47] <alkisg> "eject" the drive first, then edit fstab, then write "sudo mount /dev/sdb1" to see if you edited it correctly
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670 [06:29:23] <Shmam> eject? like through the file manager or a command?
671 [06:29:27] <alkisg> Yes
672 [06:29:30] <alkisg> Do you have a file manager?
673 [06:29:33] <Shmam> yeet
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676 [06:32:13] <Shmam> so for dir, what is the recommended/standard place for another hard drive? maybe /media/networkdrive0?
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678 [06:32:45] <alkisg> Well it depends on what you do with it, for example, if you want to serve it via apache, you could even put it in /var/replaced-url
679 [06:33:00] <Shmam> I want to use it with apache and samba
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681 [06:33:19] <itsDOOM> test
682 [06:35:23] <Shmam> so does this look like it will work? `UUID=########## /media/networkdrive0 ntfs auto`? Do I need dump or pass params?
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686 [06:35:51] <alkisg> Yes, put 0 0 there
687 [06:35:59] <alkisg> Also make sure the dir exists
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689 [06:36:22] <doom_> #flood
690 [06:36:35] <Shmam> so I should just `touch /media/networkdrive0`? or do I need to `mkdir /media/metworkdrive0`
691 [06:36:39] <Shmam> prob makedir right
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693 [06:36:44] <alkisg> mkdir
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700 [06:38:54] <Shmam> $ sudo mount /dev/sdb1
701 [06:38:54] <Shmam> mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab
702 [06:39:11] <Shmam> do I need to use /dev/sdb1 instead of UUID?
703 [06:39:18] <alkisg> you put uuid, so you can't mount with /dev/sdb1
704 [06:39:22] <th0r> Shmam, you need to provide a mount point as well as the device
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706 [06:39:40] <alkisg> You can run sudo mount /media/networkdrive0
707 [06:39:53] <alkisg> If it's /etc/fstab, it understands what and where
708 [06:40:02] <Shmam> said that it cant find the UUID
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710 [06:40:29] <rabbitear_sdf> wrong UUID
711 [06:40:33] <Shmam> it also doesnt show up in `lsblk --fs`
712 [06:40:53] <Shmam> maybe I should unplug and plug back in?
713 [06:41:05] <alkisg> Erm, wait
714 [06:41:19] <alkisg> So I was wrong to tell you to eject it as it doesn't show up as a device now
715 [06:41:30] <alkisg> But if you unplug/plug it in again, it will be automounted
716 [06:41:43] <alkisg> So you need to unplug/plug it, and then run: sudo umount /dev/sdb1
717 [06:41:51] <alkisg> So as to be able to test the fstab-based mounting
718 [06:42:08] <alkisg> After you do that, *then* try the sudo mount /media/networkdrive0 command
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721 [06:43:30] <Shmam> eyy it worked
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723 [06:43:49] <Shmam> so when I restart, will I have to do this every time/add it to cron?
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725 [06:44:03] <alkisg> No, fstab runs on boot and mounts the devices
726 [06:44:11] <alkisg> So you won't have to do it manually anymore
727 [06:44:15] <Shmam> oh cool
728 [06:45:44] <Shmam> still a http 403 :(
729 [06:46:08] <Shmam> so /media is 755
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731 [06:46:31] <Shmam> and /media/networkdrive0 is 777
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733 [06:46:42] <Shmam> so that should work right? apache should be able to access it
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735 [06:47:40] <alkisg> sudo -u replaced-url
736 [06:47:47] <alkisg> This "logs you in" with the apache account
737 [06:47:57] <alkisg> You can then try cd and ls to see where you have access and where not
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740 [06:48:19] <Shmam> yeah I can cd to /media/networkdrive0 and view all of the files in there
741 [06:49:05] <alkisg> After running that sudo command? Does your prompt say "replaced-url
742 [06:49:25] <Shmam> yep
743 [06:49:40] <alkisg> OK, can can you run this? cd /media/networkdrive0; touch hello
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745 [06:49:44] <Shmam> "replaced-url
746 [06:49:45] <alkisg> Or does touch say access denied?
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748 [06:50:08] <Shmam> nope it worked fine
749 [06:50:47] <Shmam> and it let me write in the file with "echo test > hello"
750 [06:50:58] <alkisg> Weird, I would have thought ntfs would mount as root with the defaults in fstab
751 [06:51:19] <alkisg> And if you run ls -l hello?
752 [06:51:24] <alkisg> What's the exact output? Paste it here
753 [06:51:55] <Shmam> $ ls -l test
754 [06:51:55] <Shmam> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 May 1 23:50 test
755 [06:51:58] <Shmam> my file is test
756 [06:52:21] <alkisg> Hmm, so it mounts as root with mode=777?
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758 [06:52:31] <Shmam> yeah thats not safe
759 [06:52:44] <Shmam> i think
760 [06:52:45] <alkisg> Shmam, what's the output of `whoami` at that point?
761 [06:52:55] <Shmam> replaced-url
762 [06:52:57] <alkisg> OK
763 [06:53:09] <alkisg> Well, first, it sounds like an apache misconfiguration now
764 [06:53:17] <alkisg> Did you update the path and reload the config?
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766 [06:53:31] <alkisg> And after you make apache work, then yeah go to fstab and make it mount as replaced-url
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768 [06:54:10] <Shmam> yeah I updated the path and reloaded the config but still getting a 403
769 [06:54:34] <alkisg> Check the apache logs to find the exact error message
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771 [06:55:07] <Shmam> the end of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf just has `Alias /url "/media/networkdrive0"` at the end which should be right
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773 [06:56:08] <Shmam> apache log says "client denied by server configuration: /media/networkdrive0"
774 [06:56:39] <alkisg> It's not a file system thing anymore, it's an apache configuration thing. I don't know apache well enough to help there.
775 [06:57:47] <Shmam> ok ill look through my apache config. thanks for the help with my file system :)
776 [06:57:55] <alkisg> np
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790 [07:10:10] <Shmam> I got it! I needed to add a directory in my apache config file as this was not part of the root document serve directory for apache
791 [07:10:21] <Shmam> just incase anyone wanted to know
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794 [07:12:21] <alkisg> Or you could mount it under /var/replaced-url
795 [07:12:56] <Shmam> oh yea lol
796 [07:13:01] <Shmam> but its also for samba
797 [07:13:09] <Shmam> but samba could go there too so idk
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803 [07:19:29] <gabriel_> Hello, I'm running debian in an old MacBook Pro. I finally managed to get a pair of airpods to work. But for some reason, sound comes with gaps. Any ideas?
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842 [08:03:03] <srart1> So I found that I can't use service yaws start and use privileged ports. I had to edit /lib/systemd/system/yaws.service and change User to root and then systemctl daemon-reload. Since apache and other things work as expected, what needs to be done to allow yaws to get root privileges and run as user yaws instead of root? I've tried doing setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' /usr/bin/yaws to no avail.
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904 [08:31:26] <Rico> hi
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906 [08:32:09] <Rico> replaced-url
907 [08:32:09] <Rico> webalizer, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive." ?
908 [08:32:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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913 [08:34:33] <Rico> I'm unable to find the version: 2.23.08-2
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915 [08:37:03] <gabriel_> I mean, any ideas of how to troubleshoot it.
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927 [08:43:20] <srart1> Rico: webalizer/testing 2.23.08-3
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931 [08:44:38] <Rico> srart1: replaced-url
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933 [08:44:50] <Rico> webalizer depends on libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1);
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935 [08:44:57] <Rico> which is not available on debian jessie
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981 [09:04:54] <srart1> gonna have to setup split system. Since it's not a security update, it will take till the next patchset. I'm not exactly sure how they decide what gets rolled into each step.
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985 [09:06:56] <srart1> emailing the maintainer on the bug fix may get you a how/when they push a patch to stable (jessie is stable now-a-days right?)
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987 [09:08:25] <srart1> oh, looking at the topic, I think jessie is oldstable. It may not happen.
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990 [09:11:07] <jelly> ,v webalizer
991 [09:11:08] <judd> Package: webalizer on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.23.05-1; jessie: 2.23.08-1+b1; stretch: 2.23.08-1+b3; buster: 2.23.08-3; sid: 2.23.08-3
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993 [09:11:33] <jelly> Rico: you can only use the version available for the release you have installed
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996 [09:12:07] <Rico> jelly: so I have no way to fix this bug using debian packages ?
997 [09:12:38] <Rico> thanks srart1
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999 [09:13:19] <jelly> Rico: you can try to rebuild the package from unstable for your release. The result of that would be called a "backport"
1000 [09:13:25] <jelly> !simple sid backport
1001 [09:13:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1003 [09:13:50] <jelly> Rico: ^ a very terse recipe to do that
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1005 [09:14:07] <jelly> Rico: see also: /msg dpkg deb-src sid
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1007 [09:14:42] <Rico> ok thanks
1008 [09:14:59] <srart1> Rico: What is the box's situation? Personal, company, single? apt dist-upgrade is pretty reliable if you don't have to worry about sound and video. It's not like RHEL boxen where you start from scratch (and most of the time video and sound still work, but I've been using Debian for a VERY long time)
1009 [09:15:32] <Rico> srart1: company, no dist-upgrade possible for now, because no downtime allowed
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1011 [09:15:55] <srart1> only box doing it's job?
1012 [09:16:09] <Rico> ?
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1014 [09:16:16] <Rico> web / sql server
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1018 [09:16:44] <Rico> using php5
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1020 [09:16:55] <Rico> incompatible with php7
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1032 [09:19:15] <srart1> oh your killin' me here. Yeah, the build your own package instructions above may be your best bet, if you can't convince dh to do the build regular autoconf&&./config --prefix=/usr && make -j3 && sudo make install will probably do what you need.
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1034 [09:20:23] <srart1> If you are trapped on one box though, what is gonna happen when it does die? You need to get that code updated or get a second box and run a vm on it that can have an old debian with php5
1035 [09:20:28] <Claudio> Hello ^^
1036 [09:20:54] <srart1> Howdy Claudio
1037 [09:21:05] <Claudio> When i try to connect in a VPN Connection i have this errore: Error Java Applet
1038 [09:21:14] <Claudio> I use google-chrome stable on debian
1039 [09:21:21] <Claudio> Hello srart1 ^^
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1041 [09:21:49] <Claudio> There's a solution for this problem ?
1042 [09:22:23] <jelly> chrome has not supported java applets for 2-3 years now
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1044 [09:22:59] <jelly> which type of vpn is this, maybe there's a native client
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1046 [09:24:01] <srart1> assuming cisco vpn thing, there is an option to download it. From there the installer puts it in /opt/cisco
1047 [09:24:38] <Claudio> srart1, checkpoint
1048 [09:24:52] <Claudio> srart1, i try to use firefox
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1050 [09:25:29] <apollo13> replaced-url
1051 [09:25:43] <apollo13> depending on how the checkpoint is configured
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1053 [09:26:22] <apollo13> not that you probably wanna use strongswan instead of shrew, but the ideas are the same
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1055 [09:26:54] <srart1> and a thing here replaced-url
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1101 [09:55:30] <michael2> hi. I have a question about GPLV2/V3. If I package some software someone else created and licensed under GPL. If I package and publish to a server - i.e. I start "distributing" it. the GPL legally requires me to provide the source for that software - is that correct?
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1144 [10:17:56] <well_laid_lawn> michael2: replaced-url
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1152 [10:21:47] <jelly> michael2: yes.
1153 [10:22:41] <jelly> debian solves that by providing sources on the same repos as binaries
1154 [10:22:47] <jelly> !deb-src
1155 [10:22:47] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
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1157 [10:23:48] <michael2> jelly: ok so you need to provide source. so then my question is does it need to be the _exact_ source of the binary you distributed?
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1160 [10:25:16] <jelly> michael2: absolutely
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1163 [10:25:58] <michael2> e.g. maybe you packaged firefox "quantum" could you , say for the sake of convienience, provide a copy of whatever latest "master" branch of the firefox repo? its more or less firefox right? is that enough to comply with GPL?
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1166 [10:26:09] <jelly> michael2: it isn't
1167 [10:26:34] <jelly> if you distribute binaries, you need to have matching source
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1171 [10:27:34] <michael2> so - in order to comply - it has to be the actual source of the binary you distributed and not some "near enough" source code?
1172 [10:28:13] <simson> hey there, if I try to run weechat on debian9, I get GLIBC_2,14 (and others) not found, errors. Where did I go wrong?
1173 [10:28:15] <simson> replaced-url
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1179 [10:29:19] <jelly> michael2: yes. That's not hard to do with debian-style packaging, since you had the correct source tarball when you built the thing, and the usual build process has both source package bits and binary package bits as result
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1183 [10:30:21] <jelly> simson: is that weechat binary installed from standard debian repo?
1184 [10:30:51] <jelly> simson: what does this command say: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10)
1185 [10:31:20] <michael2> jelly: thanks
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1187 [10:32:29] <simson> yes, its from the std repos, I only have default repos enabled. The output is: libgmp10:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.3.2
1188 [10:32:36] <simson> @jelly
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1192 [10:33:17] <jelly> simson: ok. Pastebin the output of "ldd -v /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.3.2" and "dpkg -l libgmp10:amd64"
1193 [10:33:19] <jelly> !paste
1194 [10:33:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1198 [10:34:42] <jelly> that library might be broken, or you might have a second copy of libc.so.6 somewhere (but that would break more than weechat)
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1205 [10:36:14] <simson> jelly: replaced-url
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1208 [10:37:22] <jelly> oh, so comma in GLIBC_2,14 was not just a typo. That's really weird
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1210 [10:37:52] <jelly> ,v libgmp10 --arch amd64
1211 [10:37:53] <judd> Package: libgmp10 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:5.0.5+dfsg-2; jessie: 2:6.0.0+dfsg-6; stretch: 2:6.1.2+dfsg-1; buster: 2:6.1.2+dfsg-3; sid: 2:6.1.2+dfsg-3
1212 [10:39:37] <jelly> simson: of you have debsums, run "debsums libgmp10:amd64" and see if it returns any lines that don't end with OK
1213 [10:39:43] <jelly> if* you have
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1215 [10:40:51] <simson> jelly: Oh, wow, it actually returns a failed for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.3.2
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1217 [10:41:46] <jelly> simson: so the file is corrupted, reinstall that package (aptitude reinstall libgmp10:amd64, or apt-get --reinstall install libgmp10:amd64)
1218 [10:42:10] <simson> jelly: Already doing, how could that have happened? :O
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1220 [10:42:42] <simson> jelly: That fixed it, thanks alot, jelly :-)
1221 [10:42:45] <jelly> power loss, bad hardware, buggy filesystem, lots of options
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1223 [10:43:49] <simson> jelly: Hmm, I actually had an power loss on that system....maybe I should do a reinstall for long-term. Who knows what might be bad too.
1224 [10:44:16] <jelly> simson: migh want to run "debsums -s" and see if anything else packaged is broken. If won't catch corruption of data files tho.
1225 [10:44:49] <jelly> this is why you do backups, right?
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1227 [10:45:04] <simson> jelly: Yes :)
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1231 [10:46:40] <c-c> Anyone else system gotten super slow lately?
1232 [10:46:51] <jelly> it's just regular slow
1233 [10:47:03] <simson> jelly: okay, the debsums -s output is multiple screens long :'), fascinating that I haven't had any issues until now
1234 [10:47:04] <petn-randall> c-c: Now that you ask, my RC buggy is driving slower than usual.
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1236 [10:47:57] <c-c> I get +4 sec delay when muting sound, second or two often when typing at the terminal, most slowness experience from browsers...
1237 [10:48:09] <jelly> petn-randall: unless you patch it or lower priority, it won't get into buster if it's rc buggy
1238 [10:48:26] <c-c> even 720p video puts the system on slow-modus
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1240 [10:48:49] <c-c> (I think just few weeks ago I was watching 1020p with no noticeable effects)
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1242 [10:49:57] <c-c> - Maybe this is now the intel cpu vuln fixes hitting Jessie?
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1249 [10:53:25] <c-c> - Excluding browser (ff/chromium), most cpu time is spent in Xorg, pulseaudio and NetworkManager (roughly 10x more than any other processes). I think thats normal. (?) I can't find a reason why there would be a slowdown on this system all of a sudden...
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1308 [11:29:32] <wrksx> Guys something weird happening. When @server1 scp testfile server2:~ I have a speed of 500 KB/s. When @server2 scp server1:~ testfile I have a speed of 10 MB/s.
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1310 [11:29:42] <wrksx> Any idea what could be goin on ?
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1321 [11:34:35] <wrksx> join /networking
1322 [11:34:37] <wrksx> #join /networking
1323 [11:34:45] <wrksx> damn
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1327 [11:35:15] <Ingvix> hey, I'm trying to scale gdm3 login screen and it seems I should change a dconf key. For some reason I can't login to Debian-gdm which seems to be the gdm user so I tried the other way that was instucted in arch wiki and created a file /etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/02-scale where I set /org/gnome/desktop/interface/scaling-factor to 2. It didn't seem to do anything. In other distros it seems that the gdm user is
1328 [11:35:16] <Ingvix> play gdm so should the directory be Debian-gdm.d or how should proceed?
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1335 [11:36:36] <Ingvix> *gdmuser is plain gdm*
1336 [11:36:49] <Ingvix> *gdm -*
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1350 [11:43:35] <watom> hey. where i find a description of debian repository like stable-updates?
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1355 [11:45:18] <watom> i don't see on the wiki related page
1356 [11:45:23] <watom> like DebianRepository or SourcesList
1357 [11:45:28] <watom> any help please
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1388 [11:59:02] <squarecircle> ohai
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1391 [12:00:02] <squarecircle> I have some trouble running gitlab-ce (omnibus package) on a Debian 9 vm on a Debian 9 host, virtualized with qemu-kvm
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1396 [12:01:25] <squarecircle> my gitlab instance consumes all the available cpu time in the vm, the host seldomly exceeds more then 100% on one core
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1400 [12:05:57] <Iridos> Wasn't there a software with which you could easily remove pages from a pdf
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1402 [12:07:42] <c-c> Iridos: ghostwriter perhaps has something
1403 [12:08:17] <c-c> or is it called ghostscript
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1407 [12:09:56] <Azrael_-> hi
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1410 [12:11:12] <Azrael_-> i want to set up a raid10-system with lvm+luks and also encrypt the system itself. iirc the boot-partition has to be unencrypted. how can i install this best? (can i do this with the standard installer or do i need to do everything manually?)
1411 [12:11:12] <Iridos> I had something… in java, I think
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1413 [12:11:36] <Iridos> pdfchain (pdftk) seems to do it… by doing "burst" first, then doing a catenate
1414 [12:12:03] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: I would do it manually
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1417 [12:12:49] <Azrael_-> squarecircle: until now i only installed manually systems where i only had remote access. so it was tedious. when i have local access, are there easier ways?
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1422 [12:14:16] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: I guess you can write a seed file for the setup and do an automatic installation on your box
1423 [12:14:20] <Azrael_-> barely ever used the normal installer. always went with debootstrap. so it would be nice for a better one
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1426 [12:14:59] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: if this is a one time thing, then go for the manual installation, it's not that difficult
1427 [12:15:05] <Azrael_-> this time i have the machine infront of me and local access. what install-way would you suggest?
1428 [12:15:14] <Azrael_-> one-time thing
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1430 [12:16:01] <Azrael_-> don't know what to do manually and where e.g. an installer could ease things a little bit
1431 [12:16:27] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: oh
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1433 [12:16:55] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: you mean an installer for the setup
1434 [12:17:02] <Azrael_-> correct
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1436 [12:17:04] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: well just take the netinstall iso
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1443 [12:17:23] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: you can dd it on some usb key and boot it up
1444 [12:17:34] <Azrael_-> and with the netinstall i can adjust everything for the raid10+lvm+luks?
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1447 [12:18:09] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: the partitioning of the disks has to be made "manually", don't choose guided partioning and stuff, this won't do for your special needs
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1449 [12:18:33] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: as far as your ideas are not too extravagant, yes
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1452 [12:18:55] <Azrael_-> hehe, like i said. just raid10 < luks < lvm
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1454 [12:19:16] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: have you a single boot disk?
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1456 [12:19:47] <Iridos> hm, well, that produced a pdf about 2.5 times the size than before… this worked, though: pdftk 24.pdf cat 1-14~4 output z.pdf compress
1457 [12:19:55] <Azrael_-> i have 4 disks and will create the boot-partition as raid1 and install grub on all of them
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1459 [12:20:21] <squarecircle> ok, thats a way
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1461 [12:20:29] <Iridos> (but involved an excessive amount of looking up syntax for such a simple task)
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1463 [12:21:14] <Azrael_-> in the end i'll add a busybox with ssh-server into the ramdisk so i can unlock it without physical access
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1468 [12:22:56] <Azrael_-> or what did you want to suggest?
1469 [12:23:09] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: oh that sounds useful
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1471 [12:23:59] <Azrael_-> but it's been a long time since i did this the last time. so i will probably ask some stuff when being stuck again :)
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1474 [12:25:55] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: don't hesitate, I'll gnaw on my kvm problem for some more hours ;)
1475 [12:26:11] <squarecircle> Azrael_-: people here are friendly though
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1478 [12:26:19] <Azrael_-> yeah, fortunately :)
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1483 [12:28:13] <davorin> ehlo (o;
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1485 [12:29:37] <Azrael_-> 250-hi, don't ask to ask, just ask
1486 [12:30:11] <davorin> has anyone into issues with h370-pro boards and intel ethernet not being recognized during install?
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1490 [12:33:21] <crimson_king> So, the keepass2 package is a port of the Windows app written in mono?
1491 [12:34:08] <crimson_king> nevermind, found explanation here
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1496 [12:35:57] <Azrael_-> crimson_king: mind sharing?
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1500 [12:37:21] <AndreasLutro> crimson_king: keepassxc is a better alternative
1501 [12:38:07] <c-c> davorin: try installing the firmware during os install
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1503 [12:38:45] <c-c> Or, see if the non-official firmware-included iso-image has the firmware and use that. davorin
1504 [12:38:51] <BCMM> davorin: what distro/installer are you using?
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1506 [12:39:28] <jelly> ,v keepassxc
1507 [12:39:30] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- buster: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1
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1510 [12:40:02] <jelly> AndreasLutro: compared to keepassx that's already in stretch, is it worth building it?
1511 [12:40:14] <c-c> BCMM: this channel is for debian jessie, only
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1513 [12:40:27] <BCMM> davorin: oh sorry, thought i was on ##linux
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1516 [12:40:53] <jelly> c-c: it's not just for jessie! stretch is nice too
1517 [12:41:04] <c-c> oh, the policy has been changed?
1518 [12:41:08] <BCMM> davorin: official debian install CDs don't come with non-free firmware, but there is replaced-url
1519 [12:41:10] <jelly> nope
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1521 [12:41:23] <davorin> ah great....
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1524 [12:41:46] <jelly> davorin: H370 pro sounds new. It might just not be supported well in debian 9 kernel
1525 [12:41:47] <BCMM> c-c: ... you're using oldstable, aren't you?
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1527 [12:41:51] <davorin> i just convinced my company to get a new pc with h370 chip set....and wanted to use of course debian 9 as i use it at home for development (o;
1528 [12:42:04] <davorin> it is an intel i291-v chip...
1529 [12:42:08] <davorin> maybe new pci id or something
1530 [12:42:19] <c-c> BCMM: sorry, I don't converse people who call me "dick", so why not go harass someone else
1531 [12:42:22] <BCMM> davorin: you could check dmesg if you want to confirm that missing firmware is the problem before downloading the whole iso
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1534 [12:42:45] <c-c> BCMM: also, try not to call ppl "dick"s
1535 [12:43:07] <jelly> c-c: jessie is oldstable now.
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1537 [12:43:37] <BCMM> c-c: the way you treated that newbie on the other channel was quite unnecessary, but i'm not going to discuss that in here.
1538 [12:43:39] <davorin> i just started dumping ubunut iso onto an usb stick for testing (o;
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1541 [12:44:10] <annsxx> SEX DATING FOR YOU: replaced-url
1542 [12:44:16] <c-c> BCMM: incorrect, he was not a noob, and stop calling people "dick"
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1547 [12:45:07] <c-c> davorin: ubuntu is not quite debian, anymore
1548 [12:45:26] <davorin> i know....and i never liked it (o;
1549 [12:45:35] <davorin> but for a quick test....
1550 [12:46:00] <davorin> if all fails i bring some ethernet cards fmor home next week (o;
1551 [12:46:01] <jelly> c-c, BCMM: get a room you two, this isn't the place.
1552 [12:46:09] <davorin> s/fmor/from/
1553 [12:46:55] <jelly> davorin: if you really want debian and don't want testing, you can format manually, debootstrap stable on that disk, and use kernel from stretch-backports
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1555 [12:47:19] <squarecircle> c-c: For Debian Jessie only?
1556 [12:47:19] <BCMM> davorin: have you checked "dmesg |grep -i firmware"?
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1558 [12:47:31] <squarecircle> c-c: thats ancient technology ^^
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1560 [12:48:38] <davorin> dd'ing firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso now
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1562 [12:49:38] <c-c> yeah I've been away for couple of months
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1569 [12:55:03] <jelly> !release history
1570 [12:55:03] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. replaced-url
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1574 [12:57:33] <c-c> jftr I'm on debian 9 - but incorrectly thought that the current stable is "jessie"
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1585 [13:00:26] <davorin> dmesg | grep -i firmware shows nothing
1586 [13:03:27] <c-c> ok not sure if errors are going to mention "firmware"
1587 [13:04:55] <BCMM> davorin: can you pastebin output of lspci and lscpi -n?
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1592 [13:05:17] <davorin> hard to pastebin when pc has no network connectivity (o;
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1594 [13:05:26] <BCMM> davorin: fair point
1595 [13:05:29] <davorin> but i try to handwrite (o;
1596 [13:05:35] <BCMM> davorin: or USB stick?
1597 [13:06:04] <c-c> usb tether cell phone
1598 [13:06:05] <davorin> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 15bc (rev 10)
1599 [13:06:05] <BCMM> davorin: eh if it's that bad, just do lspci|grep Ethernet and let us know the exact NIC you've got
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1601 [13:06:31] <davorin> looks like 8086:a370
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1603 [13:07:08] <davorin> ah no....8086:8672
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1608 [13:08:32] <davorin> hmm...which line of lspci -v shows device id?
1609 [13:08:38] <davorin> the first line?
1610 [13:08:51] <michael2> davorin: this NIC problem is part of your install process , is that right?
1611 [13:08:56] <BCMM> davorin: it literally says a dev id at the end of that name...
1612 [13:09:01] <squarecircle> anyone an idea how to tell kvm to use more then one physical core on each vm?
1613 [13:09:02] <BCMM> surely it's an 8086:15bc?
1614 [13:09:11] <davorin> yes....it can't detect ethernet hardware during install
1615 [13:09:21] <davorin> ah okay...15bc then
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1617 [13:09:59] <davorin> the second line is: Subsystem ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 8672
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1624 [13:12:20] <c-c> replaced-url
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1630 [13:17:57] <AndreasLutro> jelly: you don't need to build it, you can download the appimage and run it as a standalone binary
1631 [13:18:47] <BCMM> davorin: so does the device show up at all? in `ip a` for example?
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1634 [13:19:18] <davorin> nopw
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1637 [13:20:39] <michael2> davorin: what output does `ip a' return?
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1641 [13:21:12] <davorin> link/loopback only
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1643 [13:21:23] <davorin> but what i see are some acpi name lookup errors in dmesg
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1645 [13:22:14] <jelly> AndreasLutro: yeah ok, I always forget there are portable workarounds for distro deficiencies
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1666 [13:37:46] <gvvg__> need a continuous ping tool that can provide stats to one target need day week month - any suggestions?
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1669 [13:38:30] <colo-work> smokeping? I think it can do that
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1671 [13:38:59] <gvvg__> I'll look thanks
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1699 [13:53:29] <michael2> I've got a folder which has problems when I try to do file related operations on it, such as cd'ing into it and ls'ing. does anyone a command which would check the integrity of a folder and its contents - i.e at the inode/filesystem level?
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1707 [13:58:59] <jelly> michael2: it's called fsck and can only be done at a filesystem level while the filesystem is unmounted or mounted read-only. Before that, maybe it's just a permission issue? what does ls -ld /path/to/affected/dir say?
1708 [13:59:35] <jelly> those symptoms can be caused by missing +x permissions on directory
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1714 [14:01:07] <michael2> jelly: yeah, permissions + ownership were the first thing I checked. I'll check again though. Im on ext4 - is fsck still relevant on ext4?
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1720 [14:02:53] <michael2> jelly: yeah, I own the dir and have rwx on it
1721 [14:03:10] <jelly> can you show the actual output
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1725 [14:04:16] <michael2> jelly: % ls --group-directories-first -adl .zsh
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1727 [14:04:17] <jelly> because checking for +x on all the parent dirs is also nice
1728 [14:04:18] <michael2> drwxr-xr-x 5 user1 user1 4096 May 2 22:41 .zsh
1729 [14:04:31] <jelly> michael2: absolute path please
1730 [14:04:50] <jelly> and no -a
1731 [14:05:26] <michael2> no -a?
1732 [14:05:37] <jelly> ls -ld /path/to/your/.zsh
1733 [14:05:51] <jelly> note lack or -a option
1734 [14:05:55] <jelly> of*
1735 [14:06:03] <michael2> but its hidden - it wont show without the -a?
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1737 [14:06:26] <jelly> try it.
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1739 [14:07:03] <michael2> jelly: % ls -dl /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files/.zsh drwxr-xr-x 5 user1 user1 4096 May 2 22:41 /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files/.zsh
1740 [14:07:12] <jelly> okay
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1743 [14:08:42] <michael2> there is another command though - which checks all the intermediary directories - I just cant remember it
1744 [14:08:58] <michael2> it checks that they have the +x
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1747 [14:10:56] <jelly> right. in the meantime you can do ls -ld / /home /home/user1 /home/user1/system /home/user1/system/ansible_install /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files /home/user1/system/ansible_install/roles/zsh/files/.zsh
1748 [14:11:35] <jelly> michael2: is there anything in dmesg when you try to access them? ext4 errors would point to a need to fsck
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1750 [14:11:51] <TheRock> 6363/tcp open ndn
1751 [14:11:58] <TheRock> how can i shut this down and is it required?
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1754 [14:12:33] <jelly> TheRock: as root, run something like ss -tupan |grep 6363 and see which process has that listener socket open
1755 [14:12:39] <jelly> or netstat -tupan
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1758 [14:13:32] <michael2> jelly: ok Ill check dmesg. I remembered command (well I looked it up - namei -l <path> output is here:
1759 [14:13:34] <michael2> replaced-url
1760 [14:13:48] <jken> hey debian, I am back with more questions. I am trying to install grub to a system from a bootable USB using the instructions listed in the top answer here: replaced-url
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1762 [14:13:59] <jelly> michael2: okay, that looks sane
1763 [14:14:09] <jelly> which means it's not permissions
1764 [14:14:34] <jelly> or not standard unix permissions but some extension
1765 [14:15:06] <michael2> jelly: I dont have problems accessing from a shell - its only python programs which have the problem. ansible and ranger file manager
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1767 [14:15:25] <jken> Anyone good with grub able to point me in the right direction?
1768 [14:15:32] <jelly> michael2: ansible is running as user1?
1769 [14:16:13] <michael2> jelly: nah, root
1770 [14:16:19] <jelly> why?
1771 [14:16:33] <squarecircle> ohai
1772 [14:16:49] <squarecircle> I have some problem with my kvm on my Debian 9 host
1773 [14:16:55] <michael2> jelly: because it needs to run commands like apt
1774 [14:17:11] <squarecircle> somehow I can't assign more then one host CPU for a vm
1775 [14:17:11] <TheRock> one question, if i change my root password and some scammer would call my hoster. could my hoster log-in if he believe it's me and do certain actions on the machine?
1776 [14:17:34] <squarecircle> root
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1778 [14:17:54] <jelly> michael2: uh, stupid question, why would ansible server need to run apt, it's not ansible on a client?
1779 [14:18:51] <jelly> TheRock: it's very dependent on the VM/VPS solution and how the hoster has things set up. Maybe, maybe not.
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1781 [14:18:59] <michael2> jelly: its the ansible "controller host" or whatever you call it -running apt on itself (localhost). I ran demesg and then tried to access the directory - and of course the problem has disappeared and I can't reproduce it not
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1783 [14:19:19] <michael2> s/not/now
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1786 [14:20:03] <TheRock> jelly: is there any hoster that has high security standard you can recommend? I just want to put my mysql database there. Would amazon ec2 be a good choice?
1787 [14:20:22] <jelly> TheRock: I have no useful opinion there, sorry
1788 [14:20:23] <michael2> ok, problem came back, and no dmesg output
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1796 [14:22:41] <jelly> michael2: that path is for the controller (I forgot the ansible slang for that, sorry), not client. Those paths shouldn't need to be accessed on a client. I would run the controller as one normal user, and would have a separate ansible user for connecting to clients.
1797 [14:22:43] <michael2> TheRock: I worked on a project recently we had a mysql server on amazon - it hacked. they deleted the tables and demanded bitcoin. but yeah it wasn't well secured
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1801 [14:23:13] <squarecircle> it seems to me that the Debian default configuration for kvm is broken
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1806 [14:24:29] <TheRock> michael2: that's not good.;-(
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1808 [14:24:47] <abrotman> michael2: user error or vendor error?
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1811 [14:25:30] <michael2> abrotman: user error
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1813 [14:26:05] <TheRock> I have a safe configuration, but i'm afraid the hoster gives access to my box if he is tricked. so i wonder how i could prvent this
1814 [14:26:27] <TheRock> read some stories where scammers called the hoster
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1818 [14:27:04] <michael2> abrotman: it was only a development database full of fake (lorem ipsum type records) so it wasn't secured very well
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1820 [14:27:42] <davorin> hmm..
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1822 [14:27:49] <davorin> install with ubuntu 18 went just fine...
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1824 [14:28:00] <davorin> onboard ethernet and wlan recognized...
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1826 [14:28:21] <michael2> jelly: ansible hangs when I run under my user account too...
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1840 [14:36:15] <michael2> does anyone know if debian has "mountie" ncurses device mounting program? I cant find it in packages.debian.org
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1871 [14:44:23] <meta-coder> somiaj: the changelogs are still not available.
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1884 [14:53:03] <Deflate> can someone help me with this ? The apache2 is showing me this "DIGEST-MD5 common mech free"
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1889 [14:55:11] <squarecircle> error: Requested operation is not valid: cpu affinity is not supported
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1892 [14:55:29] <squarecircle> I get this from my vish on my Debian 9
1893 [14:55:33] <squarecircle> *virsh
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1901 [14:57:17] <petn-randall> Deflate: That is not an error message, nor is that a problem description.
1902 [14:57:18] <petn-randall> !ask
1903 [14:57:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1904 [14:57:20] <petn-randall> Deflate: ^^^
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1908 [14:58:15] <squarecircle> my kvm host does not allocate enough hosts, no I tried debugging it with explicit cpupinning
1909 [14:58:35] <squarecircle> how do I fix the broke cpu allocation?
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1911 [14:59:14] <colo-work> by not insisting on a specific pinning/cpumask. how you'd do such a thing using libvirt, I don't know.
1912 [14:59:17] <petn-randall> squarecircle: It works fine here, but I don't use cpu pinning.
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1920 [15:00:43] <squarecircle> petn-randall: I usually don't use cpu pinning, but it does not work fine here even before I tried cpu pinning
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1950 [15:09:14] <squarecircle> petn-randall: any idea?
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1952 [15:09:46] <colo-work> what happened with no pinning configured?
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1954 [15:10:20] <petn-randall> squarecircle: If you don't pin, do you still get "error: Requested operation is not valid: cpu affinity is not supported"?
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1956 [15:10:35] <f-a> how to run vi (and not vim)?
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1959 [15:11:02] <colo-work> f-a, by executing `vi` (that's still going to be vim, usually, with ":set compatible" in effect)
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1961 [15:11:21] <squarecircle> petn-randall: no
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1963 [15:11:30] <f-a> colo-work: is there a way to get original vi?
1964 [15:11:31] <squarecircle> petn-randall: then I get allocation problems
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1967 [15:12:15] <colo-work> f-a, there are several clones to choose from; if you want Bill Joy's original vi, you're probably gonna need to find the source
1968 [15:12:22] <colo-work> (and compile yourself)
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1970 [15:12:37] <f-a> thanks colo-work
1971 [15:13:22] <colo-work> you can try "nvi" if you want a clone that's very close to the original
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1974 [15:13:37] <f-a> thanks
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1989 [15:20:28] <squarecircle> anyone here who had this awful kvm problem?
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1992 [15:21:01] <petn-randall> squarecircle: What kind of allocation problems?
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1994 [15:21:09] <davorin> hmm..wonder why debian9 won't use the e1000e driver for h370 onboard ethernet
1995 [15:21:13] <davorin> ubuntu does...
1996 [15:21:14] <colo-work> squarecircle, why don't you just undo the change that introduced the pinning config?
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1998 [15:21:24] <petn-randall> davorin: Probably only works with a newer kernel.
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2003 [15:21:55] <squarecircle> petn-randall: I get only one physical core allocated, no matter what I do to the vm, no matter how many cores I set or what topology
2004 [15:22:17] <colo-work> squarecircle, well, did you enable SMP for your guest machines?
2005 [15:22:20] <squarecircle> colo-work: I tried to pin because I thought that might help
2006 [15:22:26] <colo-work> you probably also need ACPI support these days
2007 [15:22:26] <squarecircle> colo-work: where?
2008 [15:22:43] <squarecircle> colo-work: how do I activate acpi support?
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2010 [15:22:48] <colo-work> in the hypervisor config. I don't use libvort, but I know that qemu has a command line switch that governs cpu count.
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2012 [15:23:06] <colo-work> ACPI support is a matter of your guest's kernel
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2014 [15:23:52] <davorin> Linux debian 4.15.0-20-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:16:15 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2017 [15:24:11] <davorin> what version is 9.4 currently on?
2018 [15:24:26] <colo-work> davorin, Debian 9 will always be Linux 4.9
2019 [15:24:27] <somiaj> meta-coder: sounds like a minor/normal bug to me, though unsure which package to report against. You could start with the linux kernel since that is the one that has the changelogs missing. But it might be more something to do with security, but I'm unsure on why some changelogs aren't being copied over the metadata.....
2020 [15:24:31] <colo-work> unless you install a backports kernel
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2022 [15:24:48] <colo-work> squarecircle, what you need to ensure is that the hypervisor (qemu) itself emulates more than one CPU
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2024 [15:24:59] <colo-work> connectiong to the monitor socket, you can check that via "info cpus"
2025 [15:25:03] <colo-work> sample output:
2026 [15:25:07] <colo-work> * CPU #0: pc=0xffffffffae211cb2 (halted) thread_id=12019
2027 [15:25:07] <colo-work> CPU #1: pc=0xffffffffae211cb2 (halted) thread_id=12020
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2029 [15:25:13] <colo-work> (from a guest with 2 CPUs emulated)
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2031 [15:25:25] <colo-work> once you have that, and it still doesn't work, it's a matter of the guest kernel/system
2032 [15:25:32] <colo-work> gtg now, best of luck!
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2043 [15:30:14] <squarecircle> I can't get my head around this
2044 [15:30:38] <squarecircle> I'm starting my vm and its allocating only one CPU
2045 [15:30:43] <squarecircle> that can't be real
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2048 [15:31:37] <_Sam--> i just wanted to stop in to say a belated birthday to Ian. Born: April 28, 1973, Konstanz, Germany.
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2053 [15:33:45] <x032cx> if Ian was still around *I* would not have been using debian
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2057 [15:35:06] <_Sam--> why not?
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2059 [15:35:52] <x032cx> because as he claims he is a white guy with lots of money, lol
2060 [15:36:21] <_Sam--> never met him or knew him. all i know is that i was always grateful debian existed.
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2076 [15:44:20] <meta-coder> somiaj: I am surprised that no one else views changelogs of security updates before installing them. Changelog always works in Ubuntu.
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2078 [15:45:12] <somiaj> Maybe look into the apt-changelog package, maybe that fetches them from somewhere else.
2079 [15:45:37] <squarecircle> its so annoying
2080 [15:45:42] <somiaj> or sorry, apt-listchanges
2081 [15:45:47] <squarecircle> please can somebody help me
2082 [15:45:53] <squarecircle> debugging this junk?
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2086 [15:47:03] <squarecircle> why can't my qemu/kvm allocate more then one core?
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2088 [15:48:27] <petn-randall> meta-coder: apt-listchanges always shows the changelog from within the downloaded package.
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2090 [15:48:56] <somiaj> meta-coder: but I checked a few other packages in security, and it appears to be the same thing, but as I said, I'm unsure why the security changelogs aren't getting coppied over to the metadata.ftp-master.debian.org that 'apt changelog foo' is looking for.
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2092 [15:49:39] <somiaj> and it isn't that the changelogs aren't availble, it is just they aren't being copied for the 'apt changelog' feature, which since there are lots of otehr ways to read the changelogs, maybe not many use that paticular method.
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2096 [15:51:03] <somiaj> squarecircle: You do have the hardware cpu virtualizing enabled in your bios/firmware? I'm unsure either, though I've always used libvirt to configure such things.
2097 [15:51:19] <squarecircle> somiaj: yes I have
2098 [15:51:27] <squarecircle> I'm using libvirt too
2099 [15:51:36] <somiaj> with virtmanager, or just virsh?
2100 [15:51:47] <squarecircle> somiaj: I have both options here
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2103 [15:52:13] <somiaj> yea, i'm unsure what the deal is if you have configured your vm (I'd double check using virt manager unless you are famailr with the xml) to use 2 cpus and it isn't.
2104 [15:52:26] <somiaj> all I can say is it worked here for me.
2105 [15:52:40] <squarecircle> somiaj: well it works on other machines too
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2107 [15:53:06] <somiaj> so it is just this paticular guest?
2108 [15:53:24] <squarecircle> somiaj: I have some machines that work ootb as I want it, but these tqo machines are installed with the latest Debian netinstall and they break
2109 [15:53:41] <noodlepie> Hiya guys!
2110 [15:53:59] <squarecircle> somiaj: I don't have anymore guests
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2112 [15:54:54] <somiaj> squarecircle: ahh, so it is paticular hosts. I don't really know how to debug this, though I can say it works here in stretch. I'm unsure what could be missing (you have double checked the kvm moudle is loaded and looked for errors in dmesg on the host and then guest)?
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2114 [15:56:39] <squarecircle> somiaj: so nobody knows
2115 [15:56:47] <squarecircle> and the #kvm channel is silent
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2117 [15:57:13] <squarecircle> so a lot of people use this and nobody knows how to debug this
2118 [15:57:19] <squarecircle> that can't be real
2119 [15:57:43] <themill> you could always start by showing actual config or real commands and have a lot less attitude
2120 [15:57:47] <somiaj> !nobody
2121 [15:57:48] <dpkg> from memory, nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privileges. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privileges.
2122 [15:58:18] <squarecircle> themill: I guess attitude does not the right word
2123 [15:58:30] <themill> It was correctly chosen.
2124 [15:59:03] <squarecircle> themill: I can't find anything for this problem, as this problem never existed and nobody ever had it
2125 [15:59:08] <somiaj> ahh, wasn't the factoid I was thinking. Anyways squarecircle, I pointed you at some standard places to try to debug this. Double check configureations, look at dmesg (or journalctl), check logs, etc. Start digging around.
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2127 [15:59:12] <themill> If your objective is to discourage people from even trying to help you, you're going about it the right way.
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2129 [15:59:39] <squarecircle> themill: sitting on this for more then 6 hours, getting desperate by now
2130 [15:59:43] <somiaj> well keep digging around, it sounds lke you have done enough already, but sometimes it takes a bit of work.
2131 [16:00:08] <squarecircle> themill: no I don't want to discourage people, in the contrary, I'd like help
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2134 [16:01:25] <squarecircle> somiaj, themill the biggest problem is, that I did the exact same steps on this machine, as I did on another machine, if using the debian 9.3 netinstall earlier and the 9.4 now does not count
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2138 [16:03:00] <squarecircle> somiaj, themill oh and thank you very much for helping people here, thats great anyway
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2145 [16:04:36] <somiaj> squarecircle: I have to go, but I would stay in libvirt channel on irc.oftc.net (sometimes responses take a while). I woudl also maybe produce some output, like share the xml file for your vm, along with sharing any logs assoicated with it.
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2150 [16:04:52] <AndreasLutro> <squarecircle> so a lot of people use this and nobody knows how to debug this
2151 [16:05:00] <AndreasLutro> this is an extremely common situation, learn to deal with it
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2154 [16:05:13] <meta-coder> petn-randall: somiaj: On Raspbian there is no other option but to use apt-listchanges, but on Ubuntu I am used to viewing changelogs from aptitude for all official packages and it always works.
2155 [16:05:22] <squarecircle> somiaj: thank you :)
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2159 [16:06:49] <meta-coder> petn-randall: somiaj: I wish it worked on Debian as well. Anyway, thanks!
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2167 [16:11:04] <Sepultura> Hallo
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2169 [16:12:50] <Sepultura> if I make Portforwarding and the Debian is connected via openvpn client to a server do I need to add something?
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2191 [16:18:45] <petn-randall> meta-coder: It does work on Debian, but there is sometimes a time delay between package and the changelog being available.
2192 [16:19:02] <petn-randall> Sepultura: You still need to add a problem description.
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2198 [16:21:48] <Sepultura> petn-randall I have made portforwarding from 192.168.1.200 to x.x.x.150
2199 [16:22:01] <themill> meta-coder: btw there's usually less info in the changelog than in the DSA email about security updates, so it's not that much of an issue. (yes, it would be nice to have for security updates; it works once they are copied across to stable-proposed-updates)
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2201 [16:22:37] <Sepultura> and this debian x.200 is connected to openvpn server
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2203 [16:23:04] <Sepultura> and got a second IP 10.x.x.x. Do I need to make Portforwarding from OpenVPN
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2205 [16:23:34] <Sepultura> do I need to Port forward from 10.x.x to 192.168.1.150?
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2208 [16:23:52] <jhutchins_wk> Sepultura: It's not at all clear what your goal is. Port Forwarding and VPN are two different things.
2209 [16:24:42] <Sepultura> do I need Portforwarding if I connect to SSH or others ?
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2212 [16:26:34] <squarecircle> somiaj, themill: oh you are great, many thanks
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2217 [16:27:50] <watom> what happend if i have a package from stable-updates and than it get a security update?
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2219 [16:28:04] <Sepultura> jhutchins there is a RAspberry Pi OpenVPN Client connected to OVPN Server with IP 10.x.x.111. and inside the RaspPi Netword 192.x.x.150 is a Controller Unit
2220 [16:28:08] <watom> the security update is probably for stable not stable-updates
2221 [16:28:14] <watom> will the package revert to an older patched version?
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2224 [16:29:17] <Sepultura> now the MAster of OVPN Server wants to connect to Controller Unit
2225 [16:29:35] <petn-randall> watom: security updates are always on top of stable or stable-updates.
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2227 [16:29:47] <watom> petn-randall: yes but my question is if i will revert in version
2228 [16:29:52] <watom> since stable-updates are ahead stable
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2230 [16:30:12] <watom> stable-updates usually fix broken software
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2235 [16:30:44] <petn-randall> watom: The version number in the security archive is always higher than any version in stable or stable-updates.
2236 [16:30:46] <watom> and how they can be on top? i see that the priority is the same
2237 [16:31:00] <petn-randall> watom: So you will never "revert" to an older version.
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2239 [16:31:16] <watom> that's a bit confusing
2240 [16:31:23] <petn-randall> How so?
2241 [16:31:37] <watom> we have 2 versions
2242 [16:31:41] <watom> debian version and software version
2243 [16:31:51] <watom> i get that security updates have higher debian version
2244 [16:32:04] <watom> the issue is that stable-updates sometimes acn higher the software versione
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2246 [16:32:08] <watom> while the security update should not
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2248 [16:32:22] <petn-randall> watom: Can you give an example?
2249 [16:32:28] <watom> no...
2250 [16:32:30] <petn-randall> (one from the archives)
2251 [16:32:32] <watom> if i had an example i didn't have to ask
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2253 [16:33:01] <petn-randall> watom: I don't quite understand what you're thinking about, so ...
2254 [16:33:18] <watom> ok let's give a virtual example
2255 [16:33:19] <petn-randall> Anyways, regarding version numbers: security > stable-updates > stable
2256 [16:33:33] <jhutchins_wk> watom: Security updates will almost always eventually make it into the regular releases.
2257 [16:33:35] <watom> "example" is in stable at version 1.0
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2259 [16:33:42] <watom> it get version 1.1 in stable-updates
2260 [16:33:49] <watom> than 1.0 get a security fix like 1.0-fixed-security
2261 [16:33:53] <jhutchins_wk> watom: That means that the latest security package could be older than the stable or update package.
2262 [16:33:54] <watom> what will happen to my 1.1?
2263 [16:34:17] <jhutchins_wk> watom: Your imaginary scenario is not real.
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2265 [16:34:48] <petn-randall> watom: You'd never get a feature update in stable. So it would be 1.0.0, 1.0.1, and 1.0.2 in the security repo.
2266 [16:35:08] <petn-randall> Assuming the security update comes after the stable-update one.
2267 [16:35:30] <watom> if the feature update is needed to let the software work i think yes
2268 [16:35:33] <watom> that's the purpose of stable-updates
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2270 [16:35:52] <petn-randall> watom: No, you never get feature updates through stable-updates.
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2272 [16:35:58] <watom> replaced-url
2273 [16:35:58] <petn-randall> watom: You might be thinking about backports.
2274 [16:36:01] <watom> "Fixes to leaf packages that were broken by external changes (e.g. video downloading tools and tor)."
2275 [16:37:12] <watom> apparently...
2276 [16:37:20] <watom> if that happen the package is updated in stable...
2277 [16:37:29] <watom> replaced-url
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2279 [16:37:36] <petn-randall> ,v unbound
2280 [16:37:38] <judd> Package: unbound on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.17-3+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4.17-3+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1.4.22-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.22-3+deb8u3; jessie-updates: 1.4.22-3+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.6.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.0-3+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 1.6.0-3+deb9u1; buster: 1.6.7-1; sid: 1.6.7-1
2281 [16:37:46] <watom> same version
2282 [16:37:55] <watom> so i guess when a feature update get into stable-updates it goes in stable as well
2283 [16:38:00] <watom> so security wil work
2284 [16:38:15] <petn-randall> Again, you *never* get feature updates through stable-updates.
2285 [16:38:28] <petn-randall> bugfixes only.
2286 [16:38:29] <watom> but if a software get a protocol change
2287 [16:38:30] <bites> it gets into stable at a point release i believe.
2288 [16:38:34] <watom> you need to get a hagher version
2289 [16:38:35] <meta-coder> I think -security and -updates archives should be merged into one.
2290 [16:38:55] <watom> higher*
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2292 [16:39:17] <watom> bites: yeah i think the same based on unbound
2293 [16:39:19] <petn-randall> They are split for a reason.
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2296 [16:41:09] <watom> an exmaple
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2299 [16:41:13] <meta-coder> watom: I think the supported combination might be to only enable stable and stable-security repos. If you enable stable-updates you might miss a security update because a higher version package is in stable-updates.
2300 [16:41:13] <watom> ,v base-files
2301 [16:41:14] <judd> Package: base-files on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.1wheezy11; jessie: 8+deb8u10; stretch-updates: 9.9+deb9u2; stretch: 9.9+deb9u4; buster: 10.1; sid: 10.1
2302 [16:41:23] <watom> as you can see
2303 [16:41:28] <watom> the version in -updates is even lower
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2305 [16:41:30] <watom> lol.
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2307 [16:41:53] <watom> couse the main version got a security update
2308 [16:41:55] <watom> that got higher than it
2309 [16:42:14] <watom> if you don't find this confusing....
2310 [16:42:22] <petn-randall> meta-coder: That is false.
2311 [16:42:24] <hicks_> Sometimes security fixes are just backported, other times packages get a version bump. Depending on how easy or not it is
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2315 [16:42:34] <themill> meta-coder: that's why you're supposed to have all 3 sources present and let apt sort it out.
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2318 [16:43:16] <watom> i'm really scared i will not get a security couse of -updates
2319 [16:43:33] <themill> why?
2320 [16:43:43] <petn-randall> watom: You sound like you're manually downloading .deb files to patch your system. It's automated for a reason so the user doesn't have to care about it.
2321 [16:43:43] <watom> couse security usually odn't add .x
2322 [16:43:46] <watom> while -updates can
2323 [16:43:51] <meta-coder> petn-randall: themill: what if a higher-version package from -updates does not have a critical security patch which is there in a lower-version package in -security?
2324 [16:44:05] <watom> meta-coder: that's my original question tbh
2325 [16:44:16] <themill> no, people write version strings and they make sure they go up
2326 [16:44:18] <petn-randall> watom: I'm sound like a broken record by now, but if there's a security update in the security archive, it will *always* have a higher version number than the other repos.
2327 [16:44:23] <petn-randall> *sounding
2328 [16:44:24] <meta-coder> watom: disable -updates then. Only enable stable and stable-security as a precaution.
2329 [16:44:25] <themill> meta-coder: it won't happen.
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2331 [16:44:47] <Tenkawa> heres the better question:
2332 [16:44:49] <themill> no, that's just silly
2333 [16:44:52] <petn-randall> meta-coder: Stop giving bad advice.
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2337 [16:45:18] <watom> i have an idea
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2339 [16:45:22] <watom> maybe when a security come
2340 [16:45:25] <watom> and there is something in -updates
2341 [16:45:30] <watom> the security is applied to -updates package
2342 [16:45:32] <Tenkawa> Are these packages coming from debian approved archive signed repos
2343 [16:45:33] <Tenkawa> ?
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2345 [16:45:45] <meta-coder> watom: petn-randall: yes, I don't know the actual situation and correct answer. I just gave a precautionary suggestion.
2346 [16:46:23] <themill> no, it's a silly suggestion that is reinforcing a misconception
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2349 [16:46:48] <Tenkawa> if they aren't you are just adding a mess
2350 [16:47:01] <watom> it's a defaut repository
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2352 [16:47:06] <meta-coder> petn-randall: You said "They are split for a reason." What is that reason? One should be able to enable only one if they want.
2353 [16:47:13] <oktaya> Hello guys. How can I disable access to logging in via tty1 ? this stretch box is getting hacked hard
2354 [16:47:19] <watom> well -updates is about fixes
2355 [16:47:23] <watom> -security is about security
2356 [16:47:32] <Tenkawa> right.. you need both
2357 [16:47:38] <apollo13> oktaya: hacked via tty1? :D
2358 [16:47:47] <watom> oktaya: what
2359 [16:47:54] <watom> how you can hack tty?
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2361 [16:48:10] <Tenkawa> oktaya: you need physical access for that
2362 [16:48:13] <oktaya> ok . i don't know how it's hacked yet
2363 [16:48:16] <oktaya> no that's the thing.
2364 [16:48:29] <watom> you should review how you start X probably
2365 [16:48:33] <oktaya> there's no X
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2367 [16:48:37] <watom> if you talk about ^C the session
2368 [16:48:38] <oktaya> this is a KVM gues
2369 [16:48:39] <petn-randall> meta-coder: security.debian.org contains only mirrors in control of the security team.
2370 [16:48:40] <Tenkawa> tty1 is the "physical" tty
2371 [16:48:40] <oktaya> guest
2372 [16:48:46] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
2373 [16:48:49] <oktaya> Yup :)
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2375 [16:48:59] <oktaya> but the host isn't hacked, the guest is.
2376 [16:49:09] <oktaya> Pulling my hair here.
2377 [16:49:12] <petn-randall> oktaya: And what part of this is Debian?
2378 [16:49:14] <Tenkawa> why do you think this?
2379 [16:49:29] <meta-coder> petn-randall: Why isn't stable and stable-updates just one archive?
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2381 [16:49:43] <oktaya> Tenkawa: they are crypto miners. the host is much more beefier. they would use that if they could
2382 [16:49:45] <watom> meta-coder: tought the same
2383 [16:50:09] <oktaya> petn-randall: where remving the 'console' line in defaults/grub.cfg doesn't disable TTYs
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2387 [16:50:59] <meta-coder> Who wants to download old vulnerable 'stable' packages from Internet? There is always the snapshot.debian.org if you want to do that. stable and stable-updates should be merged into one.
2388 [16:51:03] <Tenkawa> oktaya: can you get into the guest vm at all?
2389 [16:51:20] <petn-randall> meta-coder: Did you do any research on this before making the suggestion?
2390 [16:51:32] <oktaya> Tenkawa: yes I am in it.
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2392 [16:51:39] <petn-randall> oktaya: Again. Is any of those machines on Debian?
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2394 [16:51:58] <Tenkawa> oktaya: run top... is anything taking up large amounts of cpu
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2396 [16:52:10] <Tenkawa> and what pete said
2397 [16:52:11] <meta-coder> petn-randall: No. :)
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2399 [16:52:58] <oktaya> Tenkawa: i already killed the harvesting script. w
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2401 [16:53:08] <oktaya> petn-randall: yes the guest is debian
2402 [16:53:11] <Tenkawa> I'd like to help but I do need to follow the rules
2403 [16:53:11] <oktaya> stretch
2404 [16:53:16] <somiaj> meta-coder: file a bug, maybe against the apt package, and say that security changelogs cannot be accessed via apt changelog foo, without a bug report, nothing will change.
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2407 [16:53:26] <petn-randall> oktaya: And the host?
2408 [16:53:34] <oktaya> petn-randall: latest centos
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2410 [16:53:39] <meta-coder> somiaj: Ok.
2411 [16:53:47] <petn-randall> oktaya: And how do you think they log in via tty1?
2412 [16:53:50] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: it sounded like a kvm cluster
2413 [16:53:53] <watom> wait i have a new meaning for stable-update
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2415 [16:54:03] <watom> i believe that repository changed its meaning over time
2416 [16:54:22] <watom> now are just packages that you would have updated before the new .x debian stable release
2417 [16:54:28] <oktaya> petn-randall: i don't know how but last and auth.log show 'tty1' just like when I log into the console with virt-manager
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2420 [16:54:34] <watom> that change everything :p
2421 [16:54:42] <meta-coder> petn-randall: What is the purpose of preserving original 'stable' repo even if it goes stale?
2422 [16:54:49] <themill> somiaj, meta-coder: it's not apt, it's ftp.debian.org and there is already one there iirc
2423 [16:54:55] <watom> meta-coder: it doesnt
2424 [16:55:06] <watom> stable repository is updated every 3 months like
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2426 [16:55:35] <oktaya> Are ttys disabled in /etc/inittab ?
2427 [16:55:40] <watom> but you have some packages that need constant updates. so you have -updates
2428 [16:56:09] <somiaj> themill: I tried to look for a bug, but didn't check one against ftp.debian.org -- wasn't exactly sure where to put this info (or if it was already known). meta-coder I would listen to themill on this.
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2431 [16:56:20] <watom> still.. i believe to fix the security problem
2432 [16:56:31] <watom> when a package have a security patch it will work on the -updates version
2433 [16:56:33] <watom> and it will get to stable
2434 [16:56:35] <Tenkawa> oktaya: for systemd based systems yes
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2436 [16:56:51] <watom> that's the only way probably to not get issues
2437 [16:56:51] <Tenkawa> there shouldnt even be one anymore
2438 [16:57:02] <oktaya> Tenkawa: there's no systemd
2439 [16:57:08] <Tenkawa> if I remember correctly
2440 [16:57:27] <Tenkawa> then you'd have to go look
2441 [16:57:30] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: If they have "physical" access to the VM, you have bigger problems than ttys spawning.
2442 [16:57:42] <watom> still not sure how you hack a tty
2443 [16:57:42] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: i agree
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2445 [16:58:05] <Tenkawa> I dont think they do
2446 [16:58:05] <oktaya> You don't hack a tty but logging into a tty does not mean physical access
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2448 [16:58:38] <watom> tbh i don't think that blocking ttywill help
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2451 [16:58:50] <watom> you don't even know how they got in
2452 [16:58:51] <Tenkawa> I think we have an incomplete picture
2453 [16:59:03] <themill> fwiw 490848
2454 [16:59:19] <watom> not even sure if it's an hacker
2455 [16:59:19] <oktaya> watom: true it is. I know I have to reinstall but since I don't know how they entered that would probably be no solution
2456 [16:59:24] <watom> or you reading log in a bad way
2457 [16:59:28] <Tenkawa> and you've already removed data we needed to possible help analyze it
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2459 [16:59:42] <Tenkawa> watom: agreed
2460 [16:59:54] <watom> link the material
2461 [16:59:56] <watom> you have
2462 [16:59:58] <oktaya> no sir. it is a hacker. a new test user with root access was added and there script and json files for cryptomining
2463 [17:00:08] <watom> :D nice
2464 [17:00:21] <oktaya> they added a grub password
2465 [17:00:22] <watom> if they got root...
2466 [17:00:27] <watom> you need a clean install
2467 [17:00:28] <oktaya> who does that. shit
2468 [17:00:35] <watom> but maybe it would help to understand how they did
2469 [17:00:37] <watom> to not get hacked again
2470 [17:00:43] <oktaya> yup.
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2472 [17:00:58] <bites> first change the wallet address in their mining config ^^
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2476 [17:01:56] <oktaya> why the logins are specifically through tty1 though. that's what I don't get.
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2478 [17:02:07] <oktaya> even after they create the user with root rights they don't use ssh
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2480 [17:02:09] <meta-coder> somiaj: themill: Woah! This is a very old bug. replaced-url
2481 [17:02:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2482 [17:02:47] <meta-coder> See the merged ones too.
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2492 [17:07:10] <oktaya> Guys .. Do you think this tty1 login thing can be a vnc vulnerability ?
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2497 [17:09:29] <petn-randall> oktaya: If you have unprotected VNC enabled, sure.
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2501 [17:10:27] <SirLagz> so. I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers package from the repos, rather than use the nvidia installer. however, it seems that some of the packages are different versions to others - 375.82 vs 384.111 - are my repos not up to date or something? is that why the package versions don't match?
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2511 [17:13:10] <jelly> oktaya: which debian release did you have and when was the last time it was patched?
2512 [17:13:21] <Sepultura> replaced-url
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2515 [17:13:56] <somiaj> meta-coder: well now you know, just use the DSA or the tracker if you want another way to grab the changelog before installing.
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2517 [17:14:26] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
2518 [17:14:27] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non-
2519 [17:14:28] <judd> free: 390.48-3
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2521 [17:15:13] <watom> someone know why list of files in backports
2522 [17:15:16] <watom> are empty? replaced-url
2523 [17:15:19] <somiaj> SirLagz: what version of debian and what repos? Look at things like apt policy, and apt policy packagename.
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2526 [17:15:35] <SirLagz> somiaj: stable, internode repos.
2527 [17:16:19] <somiaj> SirLagz: do you have stretch-backports? Care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' and the 'apt-cache policy packagenames' where packagenames is a list of some nvidia packages that have conflicting versions.
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2530 [17:17:21] <SirLagz> somiaj: no backports, sure I'll paste it up in a sec
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2532 [17:18:52] <SirLagz> somiaj: replaced-url
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2535 [17:20:05] <somiaj> SirLagz: and how apt cache policy package1 package2, where this is a list of the packages you see the conflicting versions in.
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2538 [17:20:28] <SirLagz> somiaj: yep, posting up now
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2544 [17:22:24] <BLU42> Hello, I'm trying to get Debian to play nice with EFI. I've installed it correctly, I believe... 1024 MB EFI bootable partition, / and swap rest of disk. booted into USB and installed debian,
2545 [17:22:45] <SirLagz> somiaj: replaced-url
2546 [17:22:51] <SirLagz> somiaj: sorry for the delay, keyboard is giving me issues
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2549 [17:23:41] <BLU42> I have been getting an error where "sp5100_tco address is already in use", the resolution seems to be to blacklist the i2c_piix4 module. So I put that in my on-boot grub boot parameters, at the end of the linux stanza
2550 [17:24:04] <BLU42> When I boot the computer now, I don't see the error. However, there are no errors, and the system doesn't boot.
2551 [17:24:44] <BLU42> last lines on the screen: "/dev/sda2: recovering journal" && "/dev/sda2: clean, xx/xxxxx files, xxxx/xxxxx blocks", and then no more information is provided
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2553 [17:24:45] <SirLagz> somiaj: when I boot with those 7 packages installed, I get this error - NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 384.90, but this kernel module has the version 375.82. Please make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
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2557 [17:25:33] <somiaj> SirLagz: Did you run the nvida-installer-cleanup, the error you are getting doesn't relate to the versions avaialble, so mayb eyou have some artifacts left around from using th envidia installer?
2558 [17:25:39] <BLU42> My question: how might i enable a more verbose output during boot so that I can see where it is hanging? some flag I can set for verbose boot in grub's linux stanza?
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2562 [17:25:53] <SirLagz> somiaj: yes
2563 [17:26:08] <SirLagz> somiaj: should I try running it again?
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2565 [17:26:27] <somiaj> SirLagz: I agree it seems strange to have those number differences, but I run them on my desktop just fine, and it appears the version bump in some of the packages was due to a security issue which you could track down, but I don't think that is your issue.
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2567 [17:26:38] <SirLagz> somiaj: hmm I see
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2570 [17:27:23] <somiaj> SirLagz: it seems you still have some glx libs 384.90 on your system, while stretches kernel uses the 375.82 version.
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2572 [17:28:04] <somiaj> and my guess is the issue is due to the using the nvidia installer, and you may need to reinstall all nvidia packages to ensure they overwrite anything left behind by the installer
2573 [17:28:23] <SirLagz> somiaj: I've already uninstalled and reinstalled all nvidia packages twice
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2577 [17:29:12] <somiaj> SirLagz: this error comes from just trying to startx?
2578 [17:29:18] <SirLagz> somiaj: it's in the kernel logs
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2580 [17:29:33] <SirLagz> somiaj: hang on, I'll reinstall the driver packages again and see waht teh xorg log says. I've forgotten now
2581 [17:30:23] <somiaj> SirLagz: did you completely purge all the nvidia packages then reinstall or just remove?
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2585 [17:31:27] <SirLagz> somiaj: completely purge
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2591 [17:33:00] <somiaj> there is something floating around from using the nvidia installer most likely that the cleanup tool didn't get. Unsure the best way to fix this, maybe make sure after you purge all the nvidia packages, you then check and remove any nvidia modules still laying around in your kernel.
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2595 [17:34:17] <SirLagz> somiaj: thanks. any suggestions on how to hunt down any leftover modules?
2596 [17:34:24] <somiaj> and if you are just looking for things to try, here is an idea that may or may not help. Reboot off the hold 4.9.0-5-amd64 kernel, then completely purge the 4.9.0-6-amd64 kernel, (see if anything is still left in /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-amd64) and then reinstall the kernel
2597 [17:34:49] <somiaj> I would remove anything left in the modules directory, that may help.
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2599 [17:35:44] <SirLagz> somiaj: I only just installed the new kernel last night I think
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2603 [17:37:16] <SirLagz> somiaj: can't seem to find any glx modules...\
2604 [17:38:16] <krushchev> hi guys
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2606 [17:39:38] <blaztek> Hi krushchev
2607 [17:39:53] <somiaj> SirLagz: It appears that the older kernel is still available in security, you can also try snapshot if you want to install it, you could also use a live system, and then chroot into your install to purge the current kernel, and then reinstall (along with make sure you remove any stray modules)
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2609 [17:40:18] <somiaj> SirLagz: I don't really know what the issue could be, but this hammer might get it.
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2611 [17:40:49] <noodlepie> Just going to update our communal Debian desktop
2612 [17:40:49] <SirLagz> somiaj: hmmm...maybe I should just stick with the nvidia blob installer on this system =/
2613 [17:40:53] <noodlepie> workstation rather
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2617 [17:41:57] <noodlepie> since people do work on it. Its all the free stuff in Debian, you can't beat it, except with maybe, Gentoo for example. I use that on my 8thread i7 laptop since it has the speed necessary to compile everything. They're both excellent example of community sharing
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2638 [17:47:09] <jelly-home> hello comrade
2639 [17:47:10] <jelly-home> SirLagz: or wait until debian packages up the fixed version
2640 [17:47:50] <SirLagz> jelly-home: I'm suspecting it's more of an issue with my system rather than the packages
2641 [17:48:41] <SirLagz> I thought it'd be a good time to follow the advice from #debian and switch to the packaged nvidia drivers rather than use the installer blob from nvidia
2642 [17:48:51] <SirLagz> since I was updating the kernel anyway
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2690 [18:10:47] <nicomachus> hi all. I have a raspberry pi 3b running a modified version of Stretch (OSMC), and I'm having some trouble getting a program called librespot to output to the correct alsa device. It will ONLY output to HDMI, not the 3.5mm aux output.
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2692 [18:11:53] <nicomachus> Kodi will output to either device just fine. but with librespot, if I set the --device flag to hw:0,1 it will output through HDMI. if I set it to hw:0,0 it will output to... HDMI.
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2696 [18:13:45] <drzacek> hi
2697 [18:13:50] <jelly> !osmc
2698 [18:13:50] <dpkg> OSMC is a Linux distribution enabling the <Raspberry Pi> and other devices to operate as an <XBMC> front-end. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
2699 [18:13:56] <drzacek> how to disable hotkeys on openbox/debian?
2700 [18:14:10] <nicomachus> jelly: yes, thanks. that channel is dead with no responses for 3 days now, so I thought I could try here.
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2705 [18:15:46] <jelly> nicomachus: ask in #raspberrypi or ##Linux then, we still don't deal with derivative distros because it's often the differences that make the bugs
2706 [18:16:13] <jelly> ,v librespot
2707 [18:16:15] <judd> No package named 'librespot' was found in amd64.
2708 [18:16:25] <jelly> librespot isn't in debian at all apparently
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2710 [18:16:32] <nicomachus> not the repos, no.
2711 [18:16:51] <nicomachus> and it's currently unmaintained, which sucks, because it's the only option available to enable spotify connect on RPIs.
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2718 [18:21:06] <jelly> nicomachus: find a more general channel that can help debug it to see if it opens the right device at all, then maybe fork it and fix the code and be the new maintainer?
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2720 [18:21:24] <nicomachus> jelly: if only I had the skillset for that. :D
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2722 [18:22:08] <jelly> it's less hard than you think
2723 [18:22:31] <drzacek> ok found it
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2745 [18:33:35] <chachasmooth> is kernel live patching enabled on squeeze? I've just upgraded to the latest kernel and `uname -r` already shows I'm running the new version (without a prior sys reboot)
2746 [18:33:45] <himuraken> Any have any idea where gnome connection manager went or know of a Debian friendly replacement?
2747 [18:33:46] <jelly> chachasmooth: no
2748 [18:33:56] <jelly> chachasmooth: it's basically not enabled anywhere in debian
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2750 [18:34:26] <chachasmooth> jelly why does uname show the updated version then?
2751 [18:34:30] <jelly> chachasmooth: squeeze is however very old and has not had kernel updates in a while
2752 [18:35:22] <jelly> chachasmooth: and it probably did not have kernel ABI updates for even longer. Unlike Ubuntu Debian tries to keep `uname -r` the same acroess kernel package upgrades if at all possible
2753 [18:35:36] <chachasmooth> sorry, stretch not squeeze
2754 [18:35:54] <jelly> chachasmooth: what does uname -a say
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2756 [18:36:46] <chachasmooth> Linux red 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2757 [18:36:50] <chachasmooth> so .82 is the live kernel?
2758 [18:36:53] <jelly> yes
2759 [18:37:11] <jelly> the new one, 4.9.88-1 will keep the same 4.9.0-6-amd64 ABI
2760 [18:37:26] <chachasmooth> jelly thanks for explaining, I guess a reboot is due now
2761 [18:37:35] <jelly> yep
2762 [18:38:11] <chachasmooth> why has live patching not been incorporated into Debian yet?
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2764 [18:38:45] <Igel> ksplice?
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2768 [18:39:40] <jelly> chachasmooth: because it's a lot of work
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2770 [18:39:57] <RoyK> Igel: not ksplice - there's a new thing in kernel for that
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2773 [18:40:30] <jelly> RoyK: same as the old thing? :-)
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2780 [18:43:48] <Stanley678> i feel that browsing on my new 64bit debian9 is slower then on my old sistem debian8 32bit... how can that be?
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2796 [18:53:58] <quarterback> I have debian 8 and it is somewhat slower than debian 7 I had a few years ago. Same configuration of hardware.
2797 [18:54:13] <quarterback> Currently using debian 9.4 *
2798 [18:54:38] <quarterback> Do you happen to have ram < 2GB?
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2800 [18:55:15] <quarterback> Something to do do with hw acceleration of your GPU?
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2844 [19:11:47] <thvle> People, why if my nvidia card is supposed to support acceleration hardware, I do not notice that the use of the processor is reduced by streaming videos ?? (in VLC neither too)
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2846 [19:12:45] <Brigo> thvle, are you using the right drivers?
2847 [19:13:10] <thvle> default nouveau drivers of debian 9.4
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2879 [19:30:43] <maurer> I'm in the middle of upgrading from jessie to stretch. GRUB reported replaced-url
2880 [19:30:59] <maurer> Is there some action I should be taking before proceeding?
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2882 [19:31:14] <maurer> (This occurred during the "upgrade" step after changing the sources, but I have not run dist-upgrade yet)
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2917 [19:45:32] <karlpinc> I realize that wheezy is going out of LTS at the end of the month, but I'm curious as to why I can't upgrade the kernel from security.debian.org. dumbo:~# uname -a
2918 [19:45:32] <karlpinc> Linux dumbo 3.2.0-5-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.96-3 i686 GNU/Linux
2919 [19:45:32] <karlpinc> dumbo:~# apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae
2920 [19:45:32] <karlpinc> linux-image-686-pae:
2921 [19:45:35] <karlpinc> Installed: 3.2+46+deb7u1
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2926 [19:46:57] <karlpinc> ! Whoops. I was wrong about what was in my paste buffer. replaced-url
2927 [19:47:18] <karlpinc> So anyway, wheezy won't update its kernel and I'm wondering why not.
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2934 [19:49:55] <annadane> be thankful that only that was in your paste buffer and not something more embarrasing :-)
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2936 [19:50:34] <skizzy> I've got a problem. I did sudo chown -R myuser /dir and now when I try to change into that directory as myuser it says permission denied?
2937 [19:50:40] <skizzy> IT's something i copied form windows
2938 [19:50:42] <skizzy> from
2939 [19:51:30] <AndreasLutro> can you show the exact command you ran?
2940 [19:51:49] <skizzy> sudo chown -R tim /home/tim/directory
2941 [19:51:52] <karlpinc> skizzy: Ownership is different from permission to do something.
2942 [19:52:11] <skizzy> I also did a chmod 0755 on that folder
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2944 [19:52:40] <AndreasLutro> what's the output of `ls -l /home/tim/directory` if you run it as "tim"?
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2946 [19:52:56] <karlpinc> skizzy: Do you have 'x' permission on (all) the ancestor directories?
2947 [19:53:06] <skizzy> I did chmod again and now it's working
2948 [19:53:11] <skizzy> I must not have actually hit enter
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2950 [19:53:28] <karlpinc> skizzy:
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2952 [19:53:33] <karlpinc> So it goes. :-)
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2965 [19:57:39] <edju> Running Jessie with KDE. I want to use nm-applet, and have installed network-manager-gnome. I've googled a lot and have not found a site which explains the process satisfactorily. If anyone has a pointer I'd appreciate it.
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3006 [20:14:01] <_Sam--> they even have their own song: replaced-url
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3033 [20:25:25] <OS-37941> do any one know tho to solve ex 1.3.12
3034 [20:25:47] <OS-37941> gunzip access_lot.txt.gz
3035 [20:25:54] <OS-37941> is not working form
3036 [20:25:57] <OS-37941> for me
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3039 [20:26:18] <mutante> OS-37941: what's ex 1.3.12?
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3043 [20:27:15] <OS-37941> in the note page 48
3044 [20:27:34] <mutante> OS-37941: are you on the wrong channel?
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3046 [20:27:50] <mutante> sounds like you are expecting an internal chat for a class room or so
3047 [20:28:11] <OS-37941> sorry
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3050 [20:29:39] <jim> OS-37941, curious, what book is it you're taking these exercises out of?
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3063 [20:33:10] <nkuttler> hrm.. any ideas how to set the brightness of a usb display?
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3087 [20:42:17] <Mmike> Hi! If I build a package on a remote machine (super-beefy-server-somewhere), can I somehow sign .dsc there without moving it to my local box (or without moving .gnupg directory to the build-machine) ?
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3092 [20:43:10] <GNU\colossus> are you aware of replaced-url
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3097 [20:43:48] <Mmike> GNU\colossus, yes, but I'm using 'older' version of gnupg (1.4.something)
3098 [20:44:08] <Mmike> and I know people did this before gnupg2.1
3099 [20:44:28] <Mmike> oh, but I have gpg2
3100 [20:44:32] <Mmike> oh oh oh!
3101 [20:45:17] <Mmike> GNU\colossus, ack, thnx :)
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3150 [21:10:35] <TheRock> I have secured my server, but is there any effective way to prevent the hoster from accessing it?
3151 [21:11:25] <TheRock> i. e. if a scammer calls my hoster, tells him to reset the root password with a live cd for example
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3153 [21:11:39] <TheRock> i've read some group stole 50m in bitcoin this way
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3159 [21:12:54] <TheRock> full disk encryption with veracrypt from example?
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3163 [21:13:55] <jim> well one way is use your own server... you can also talk to the hoster
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3166 [21:14:58] <TheRock> yes coloc would be possible, but they could still access it
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3194 [21:26:03] <tw> Off topic, but don't access or store wallets with remote machines.
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3199 [21:27:18] <tw> Short version is no. If someone wants to go to the trouble of making a custom rooted kernel image and plop it on your /boot and you don't have secureboot enabled, there's no practical defense.
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3209 [21:29:17] <jim> well your only defense are the people who work there, and the agreements you've made (not a hard defense, but at least this is gonna slow em down)
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3233 [21:40:24] <funny_tux> is this really about linux? replaced-url
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3235 [21:42:06] <jim> well the 55 years part is a major clue
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3239 [21:43:26] <jim> people in the know say linux started in 1991
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3241 [21:43:54] <TheRock> my computer is windows, but iam stil inside this channel. so my computer is offtopic?
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3243 [21:44:35] <jim> TheRock, "things that make you go 'hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....'"...
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3245 [21:45:06] <jim> TheRock, your computer isn't speaking here, you are
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3247 [21:45:27] <TheRock> but my computer is used for it
3248 [21:45:27] <jim> do you have debian installed somewhere?
3249 [21:45:32] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm trying to track down a mini PCI atheros.
3250 [21:45:38] <TheRock> yes
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3252 [21:45:58] <Thedarkb-X40> I can't get the wifi driver for my current card modprobed in.
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3254 [21:46:02] <jim> Thedarkb-X40, I think I saw one on amazon
3255 [21:46:05] <Thedarkb-X40> So I'm stuck with the devil's distro :P
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3257 [21:47:03] <jim> Thedarkb-X40, let's see,.. could you: lspci -nn | grep -i net | nc termbin.com 9999
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3260 [21:47:22] <Thedarkb-X40> I don't have Debian on this rig at the moment.
3261 [21:47:59] <Thedarkb-X40> replaced-url
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3264 [21:48:09] <jim> is "my current card" in "this rig at the moment"?
3265 [21:48:10] <Thedarkb-X40> jim,
3266 [21:48:14] <Thedarkb-X40> Yup
3267 [21:48:29] <Thedarkb-X40> I had the necessary firmware.
3268 [21:48:38] <Thedarkb-X40> But I couldn't persuade it to load.
3269 [21:48:54] <jim> are you running linux on it?
3270 [21:49:00] <Thedarkb-X40> Ubuntu
3271 [21:49:09] <Thedarkb-X40> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (689.1 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (945.3 MiB Free) • Storage: 14.9 GB / 31.8 GB (16.9 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr
3272 [21:49:10] <Thedarkb-X40> oller • Uptime: 1h 21m 32s
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3275 [21:49:22] <jim> ok, go ahead and run that command
3276 [21:49:26] <Thedarkb-X40> Already did.
3277 [21:49:31] <Thedarkb-X40> Pasted the link up above.
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3279 [21:49:48] <jim> oh there it is :)
3280 [21:49:51] <Thedarkb-X40> :P
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3286 [21:50:31] <Thedarkb-X40> As of today this laptop is on its third CMOS battery.
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3288 [21:51:20] <jim> ok, do you have a way to connect the ethernet to the net you're on?
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3294 [21:52:52] <Thedarkb-X40> jim, I can get the card to work under ubuntu.
3295 [21:53:00] <Thedarkb-X40> I just can't figure out why it won't work under Debian.
3296 [21:53:08] <jim> which card? you have two
3297 [21:53:16] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm going to replace it anyway because it has a tendency to drop the signal.
3298 [21:53:22] <Thedarkb-X40> Oh, the Wifi card.
3299 [21:53:32] <jim> got an eth cable
3300 [21:53:33] <jim> ?
3301 [21:53:47] <Thedarkb-X40> I have but I don't plan on sorting this out now.
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3303 [21:53:56] <Thedarkb-X40> I need the computer.
3304 [21:54:04] <Thedarkb-X40> Besides, the wifi is fine under Debian
3305 [21:54:13] <Thedarkb-X40> err, I mean Ubuntu
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3312 [21:55:30] <jim> oh ok... so: when you do want to sort it out, try connecting debian with the ethernet to your router, and if that's successful (you get on the net), come here
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3314 [21:56:10] <jim> I can't do much without that as minimum
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3323 [21:57:05] <jim> whoever would help you out then, would probably need the pastebin you made
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3330 [21:58:29] <jim> you probably just have missing firmware, which for most intel wireless, can be dealt with in a snap (given some net connectivity)\
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3340 [22:00:30] <Thedarkb-X40> jim, I did not have missing firmware.
3341 [22:00:35] <Thedarkb-X40> I had the firmware.
3342 [22:00:46] <Thedarkb-X40> It just wouldn't load and I couldn't modprobe it in.
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3345 [22:01:38] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm ditching this card anyway.
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3347 [22:01:50] <Thedarkb-X40> It uses the ipw2200 firmware.
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3349 [22:02:02] <Thedarkb-X40> and I absolutely had that installed.
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3351 [22:03:04] <jim> ok... so I guessed wrong, and right or wrong, doesn't matter now, as you don't want to deal with it now
3352 [22:03:27] <Thedarkb-X40> Yup
3353 [22:03:38] <jim> which is perfectly fine... just come back when you do
3354 [22:03:42] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm changing to a different card anyway so it's really not a big deal.
3355 [22:03:50] <Thedarkb-X40> Atheros is well supported AFAIK
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3359 [22:04:26] <jim> yeah, I heard some bad news about atheros... they went back to their proprietary ways
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3362 [22:04:58] <jim> I dunno, maybe an older atheros would work fine
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3365 [22:05:10] <Thedarkb-X40> This laptop doesn't support PCIe so I'm probably alright.
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3368 [22:05:31] <jim> you might want to stick with what you have
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3371 [22:06:07] <Thedarkb-X40> Why?
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3375 [22:06:45] <jim> well for one thing it's known to work in at least one linux based os
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3377 [22:07:05] <Murii_> is there a command to see how old (in days) my laptop is?
3378 [22:07:18] <Murii_> since it has been first booted until now
3379 [22:07:31] <greycat> First booted? No.
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3381 [22:08:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Check your BIOS date, it's usually that ± a year.
3382 [22:08:03] <greycat> You could maybe perhaps work out when you installed Debian, but even that would take some work and may not be guaranteed.
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3386 [22:08:38] <Thedarkb-X40> Unless you updated it that is.
3387 [22:08:40] <Murii_> Thedarkb-X40- I was thinking there might be something there but I was wondering if I can do it directly from the terminal
3388 [22:09:00] <nmschulte> I need to run VirtualBox (Vagrant) and KVM/QEMU/virt-manager (and also, later/otherwise: Docker/lxc). VirtualBox complains about KVM hogging hypervisor resources (VT-x is being used by another hypervisor (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE). VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable KVM ... rebuild kernel... other nonsense etc.). How can I do this without disabling KVM at boot?
3389 [22:09:06] <Murii_> I'll just look up the number no
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3391 [22:09:28] <greycat> Oh, you meant actual age of the hardware? Yeah, that's not going to be a thing you can run a command to find.
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3395 [22:11:28] <Thedarkb-X40> Murii_, ThinkPads have the date stamped in the hard drive bay or somewhere else on the chassis.
3396 [22:11:42] * Murii_ has a x220 model :)
3397 [22:11:43] <Thedarkb-X40> This one was made on the 14th of june 2005.
3398 [22:11:59] <Thedarkb-X40> My X200 definitely has a date, I just can't remember where.
3399 [22:12:09] <Murii_> I'll look it up now
3400 [22:12:30] <Thedarkb-X40> Much disassembly required.
3401 [22:12:42] <Murii_> oh
3402 [22:13:14] <Thedarkb-X40> It's stamped internally, often in the HDD bay or under the mobo
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3430 [22:26:04] <DammitJim> what is the recommended way to backup data files (from different directories) and then compressing them to copy them to external storage?
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3433 [22:27:55] <kwame> tar and then scp
3434 [22:28:05] <kwame> DammitJim: tar and then scp
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3436 [22:28:34] <DammitJim> is there such a thing as doing something like: rsync -> tar
3437 [22:28:50] <karlpinc> DammitJim: There's no point.
3438 [22:28:54] <DammitJim> then the next time the "backup job" runs, untar, rsync, and tar again?
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3440 [22:29:11] <DammitJim> I meant to keep the storage usage low?
3441 [22:29:30] <DammitJim> instead of having to transfer so much data over the wire?
3442 [22:29:38] <DammitJim> so, only updates...
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3444 [22:30:17] <karlpinc> DammitJim: You could do rsync backups with hard links. If you've got more than 10 copies or so at the remote end. See the rsnapshot or dirvish packages, or just use rsync.
3445 [22:30:19] <kwame> so you are looking for incremental backups only, right?
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3450 [22:30:52] <DammitJim> yeah... remote incrementals, but compressed in the end
3451 [22:31:20] <karlpinc> DammitJim: You get "compression" with rsync hard links by not having multiple data copies.
3452 [22:31:44] <DammitJim> oh?
3453 [22:31:57] <karlpinc> DammitJim: If you keep hundreds of backups and most stuff does not change then you get super-high "compression" ratios.
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3459 [22:33:12] <DammitJim> I"m going to have to read up on that
3460 [22:33:20] <DammitJim> I"m not sure I'm understanding the hard links part
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3462 [22:33:22] <karlpinc> DammitJim: man rsync and look for --link-dest
3463 [22:33:26] <DammitJim> thanks
3464 [22:33:31] <karlpinc> man ln
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3468 [22:34:56] <karlpinc> DammitJim: info coreutils ln
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3473 [22:36:18] <wodny> hi, there is a new version of linux-image-686-pae for wheezy ie. 3.2+46+deb7u2, it depends on linux-image-3.2.0-6-686-pae which seems to be missing. did i miss something about that package's upgrade?
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3479 [22:39:20] <greycat> wheezy's linux-image-amd64 is also currently not installable; just gotta wait, I guess
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3481 [22:39:40] <TheRock> guys my compputer runs on windows
3482 [22:39:50] <TheRock> can i use it to communicate in this channel ?
3483 [22:40:02] <rpifan> i need to make an image of my current drive while its running to an external drive what would be a good tool for that
3484 [22:40:08] <rpifan> that wouldnt get tripped up by the system being live
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3486 [22:40:22] <greycat> TheRock: sure, but we only want to hear about Debian here, not Windows or anything else
3487 [22:40:32] <annadane> greycat, replaced-url
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3489 [22:41:05] <greycat> sounds about right
3490 [22:41:52] <TheRock> thanks, so it's not a problem that my text is coming from a windows machine
3491 [22:42:13] <karlpinc> TheRock: Nope. Not a problem if it works for you.
3492 [22:42:19] <greycat> As long as you talk about Debian, nobody would even know.
3493 [22:42:31] <wodny> greycat: Ah, I've missed that amd64 is also uninstallable, apticron didn't send me a message yet. So I will wait. Thanks.
3494 [22:43:01] <TheRock> i think that you can FINGER me to get my computer version. i don't want to get problems here
3495 [22:43:19] <karlpinc> rpifan: The usual way to do something like that is to use LVM snapshots, or snapshots in a filesystem like zfs. You copy the snapshot. But perhaps you should tell us what you think "an image" is, just to be sure we're using the same vocabularly.
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3499 [22:43:40] <rpifan> just to clone my current drive basically
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3502 [22:44:41] <karlpinc> rpifan: What do you expect to do with the "clone"?
3503 [22:44:55] <wodny> annadane: thanks for the bug report
3504 [22:45:11] <rpifan> just transfer some files back into the drive later
3505 [22:45:12] <rpifan> doesnt have to be a block by block build
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3511 [22:51:19] <karlpinc> rpifan: It could be that the easiest choice is to just "cp -a" it. If the file is in-use and being modified that particular file will be incomplete or invalid. Do you care?
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3520 [22:52:11] <rpifan> i dont think its vital, couodnt i just rsync it too?
3521 [22:52:17] <karlpinc> rpifan: (Note that databases typically have their own "dump" commands to get data out and into the filesystem, and the dumped file is what is used to recover. The other choice is some sort of database-specific data replication.)
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3523 [22:52:54] <karlpinc> rpifan: Yes, but rsync has little to negative value if you're not going over a network. (Sometimes's it's got some good features, sometimes negative performance compared to cp.)
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3525 [22:53:24] <dionysus69> ok that's it
3526 [22:53:26] <karlpinc> rpifan: So if you've got a database you'll want to dump it before copy.
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3528 [22:53:29] <dionysus69> I have notifications coming in gnome
3529 [22:53:34] <dionysus69> how do I know what sent it?
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3531 [22:54:42] <wodny> dionysus69: maybe sniff the dbus session bus with the dbus-monitor?
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3533 [22:55:09] <rpifan> well with rsync i could continue where it was left off if my local drive got disconnected or something right?
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3535 [22:55:32] <dionysus69> wodny: only shows current messages :)
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3537 [22:55:38] <dionysus69> what about old ones
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3543 [22:59:00] <debron> Hi guys. A question, I have debian installed, and today i bought a harddrive where i would like to put windows in it, and make dualboot. Is there a way of installing windows now and later choose grub to be the first boot option?
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3545 [22:59:32] <Sveta> debron: you need to install windows first
3546 [22:59:32] <debron> without having to reinstall debian
3547 [22:59:41] <Thedarkb-X40> debron, Separate HDD?
3548 [22:59:44] <debron> yes
3549 [23:00:01] <Thedarkb-X40> Go digging in your BIOS and put the debian HDD first in the boot order.
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3551 [23:00:20] <debron> Okay
3552 [23:00:24] <Thedarkb-X40> and then add your windows bootloader to GRUB
3553 [23:00:33] <Thedarkb-X40> You'll have to ask someone else about that though.
3554 [23:00:36] <debron> grub should be still there, i dont think windows kill it , in a different hdd
3555 [23:00:38] <Thedarkb-X40> SYSLINUX is my thing.
3556 [23:00:44] <wodny> rpifan: rsync should work if used with -aHAX switches
3557 [23:00:46] <gvvg__> Hi - is there a way in fusionpbx to block a call coming from a particular number destined for another number? kind of blacklist only for 1 number? not everyone - thanks
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3559 [23:01:00] <Thedarkb-X40> I usually disconnect any extra HDDs during an install in case I fuck up.
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3561 [23:01:24] <debron> Okay man. Thanks
3562 [23:02:00] <wodny> rpifan: but as karlpinc noticed, databased may be a pain. one non-obvious thing is that even desktop applications use databases, eg. firefox uses sqlite and while it's running a journal file may be open
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3567 [23:03:12] <rpifan> i see, well in terms of browsers i guess ill just export my bookmarks thats the only vital part there
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3569 [23:04:10] <wodny> rpifan: if you can go in single mode while making a backup it would make things easier or just shutdown/close as many applications as you can.
3570 [23:04:15] <rpifan> what does aHAX do
3571 [23:04:16] <karlpinc> debron: Windows likes to kill grub. You might remove the debian drive when installing MS Windows to be sure.
3572 [23:04:26] <gvvg__> found call block - sorry to ask a silly question
3573 [23:05:10] <wodny> rpifan: see man rsync for details, but in short -a is the usual choice, but it doesn't copy ACLs for example, so to have a complete (?) backup one shoud add -H -A -X as well.
3574 [23:05:44] <rpifan> i see
3575 [23:05:51] <karlpinc> debron: (Or just pull the power on the drive, etc.)
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3590 [23:12:26] <somiaj> debron: you can install windows second, you'll just have to reinstall grub after, so it may take some work. Though if using efi, the order shoudln't matter, you may just need to reconfigure the firmware which efi file (windows or grub) to use.
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3592 [23:13:04] <somiaj> oh an if grub is still on the mbr, and windows didn't clboer it, you shoudl be fine, but even reinstalilng grub from a live system isn't to difficult
3593 [23:13:06] <debron> mmm efi or UEFI?
3594 [23:13:19] <debron> did you read that installing is on different hdd?
3595 [23:13:22] <somiaj> basically teh same thing
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3597 [23:13:35] <somiaj> yea, but with UEFI, the efi partition is where boot info is stored
3598 [23:13:36] <debron> so mbr should mess with grub
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3600 [23:13:49] <debron> mmm
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3602 [23:14:02] <somiaj> and the efi partition could be on your first drive but still be okay. Overall, the worst case scenerio is get a live system, boot it and reinstall grub in the mbr.
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3606 [23:14:35] <debron> that doesnt sound too bad
3607 [23:14:36] <somiaj> but since it is a second drive, that may not even be an issue, and this is only for mbr/legacy boot. UEFI boot is far nicer and should'nt have this problem
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3609 [23:15:11] <rob_debian> hi all. Please, why 'youtube-dl' doesn't work to download a complete playlist in youtube ?
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3611 [23:15:31] <chachasmooth> rob_debian works fine for me, OT though
3612 [23:15:32] <debron> is there any problem if the new hdd where windows is going to be installed, its on SATA 0, and debian (where grub is) its on SATA 1 slot?
3613 [23:15:32] <rob_debian> I've followed all the parameters required for that, but it didn't work
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3615 [23:15:56] <rob_debian> Hi chachasmooth, nice to meet you from here !
3616 [23:16:00] <somiaj> debron: you should be able to tell your firwmare what drive to boot from, or order of boot, so that should be fine.
3617 [23:16:08] <chachasmooth> $ youtube-dl replaced-url
3618 [23:16:28] <debron> oki
3619 [23:16:30] <somiaj> debron: if you are paraniod, just remove the debian drive during the windows install, and then put the debian drive back after wards, and point your firmware to boot rom it.
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3621 [23:16:39] <somiaj> that should work if everything is correctly configured using UUIDS
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3624 [23:17:22] <debron> there is something extrange.. in the BIOS boot setup, since i pluged in my new HD , the old hd where debian is, doesnt appear anymore
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3628 [23:17:36] <debron> only in the boot override option, but not in the main boot priority confih
3629 [23:17:38] <debron> config
3630 [23:17:45] <debron> i cant understand why that happens
3631 [23:17:50] <debron> and scares me a bit
3632 [23:17:55] <somiaj> are you looking at UEFI or legacy boot config options?
3633 [23:18:07] <debron> UEFI has to be...
3634 [23:18:14] <karlpinc> debron: (You don't need to physically remove the drive, just unplug its power connector.)
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3636 [23:18:30] <debron> karlpinc: hahaha, ok thanks
3637 [23:18:44] <rob_debian> chachasmooth, the syntax is: youtube-dl replaced-url
3638 [23:18:48] <debron> that is what is was going to do :P
3639 [23:18:56] <somiaj> debron: unsure, each frimware seems to be a little different. But with UEFI you don't really point at drives, you point at efi files on efi partitions, and unsure what happens if you have more than one efi partition.
3640 [23:19:06] <somiaj> debron: it is legacy mbr boot that you point at a drive to boot from.
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3642 [23:19:42] <chachasmooth> rob_debian make sure to surround the url with quotes
3643 [23:19:45] <debron> ill make sure, have to reboot
3644 [23:19:49] <chachasmooth> youtube-dl 'replaced-url
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3648 [23:20:22] <rob_debian> oh, so that's the problem here
3649 [23:20:48] <TheRock> i have a question about my thinkpad's hardware (cooler). That would be offtopic at first, but the computer runs debian, so is it on topic?
3650 [23:20:49] <chachasmooth> sorry, youtube-dl 'replaced-url
3651 [23:21:13] <chachasmooth> rob_debian ^ this actually works
3652 [23:21:15] <rob_debian> please, let me try it now, chachasmooth... and thanks for information
3653 [23:21:37] <rob_debian> you know: we tend to get some confusion using this command for playlists, lol
3654 [23:22:09] <karlpinc> TheRock: If you want to access the hardware with Debian then it's on-topic. Although for a true hardware-only question there might be a better place to ask.
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3683 [23:32:08] <rob_debian> chachasmooth, apparently it's working here
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3726 [23:53:18] <karlpinc> Curious here. I tried downloading a video with youtube-dl -- a youtu.be address. Got an odd "urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known>" error. So tried with wget, which gave me a 302 redirect to replaced-url
3727 [23:54:15] <michael2> do you have latest youtube-dl?
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3730 [23:54:48] <karlpinc> Ah ha. getent hosts replaced-url
3731 [23:55:06] <karlpinc> michael2: No. Just what I installed from debian just now.
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3735 [23:55:46] <michael2> try from: replaced-url
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3737 [23:56:06] <fareast> can someone help me get my wifi driver installed on deb
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3739 [23:56:28] <fareast> I am kinda in a predickerment.
3740 [23:56:29] <michael2> fareast: whats the problem?
3741 [23:56:30] <Brigo> fareast, what's your problem?
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3743 [23:56:40] <michael2> lol
3744 [23:56:43] <Brigo> michael2, too fast for me :D
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3746 [23:56:47] <somiaj> fareast: do you have a wired interent? most likely you just need the firmware, can you let us know what wifi chipset you are using?
3747 [23:56:49] <fareast> yes
3748 [23:56:54] <fareast> I am wired in
3749 [23:57:01] <fareast> I am guessin it is intel
3750 [23:57:07] <fareast> is there a way I can find out from a terminal
3751 [23:57:08] <somiaj> you can look at lspci to make sure
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3754 [23:57:35] <fareast> Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 61)
3755 [23:57:41] <karlpinc> michael2: Thanks. I think I'll give up for this hot minute. I don't suppose there's a "debian way" to get the latest youtube-dl?
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3757 [23:58:12] <fareast> somiaj: I am on hp website looking around
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3759 [23:59:06] <fareast> 19.2.0.1 Rev.P from hp support
3760 [23:59:10] <somiaj> karlpinc: you need to do two thigns. 1) enable non free, 2) apt install firmware-iwlwifi
3761 [23:59:10] <fareast> Intel
3762 [23:59:13] <michael2> karlpinc: youtube-dl is a fast moving target. I don't think debian packages will be able to keep up
3763 [23:59:19] <somiaj> !non-free sources
3764 [23:59:20] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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3767 [23:59:39] <somiaj> fareast: look at what I said to karlpinc, that was for you
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