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5 [00:00:24] <awal1> ellie ^
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21 [00:05:37] <ellie> I tried
22 [00:05:41] <ellie> but it gives me an error
23 [00:06:11] <ellie> it prompts me to open file with software installer and then it gives me an error
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30 [00:08:52] <awal1> never tried to install flash from source and I don't have a testing machine for try that; sorry, no clue
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61 [00:24:59] <abrotman> ellie: did you get it figured out?
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63 [00:25:34] <ellie> nope
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69 [00:27:54] <ellie> replaced-url
70 [00:28:06] <phinxy> To be able to build Nvidia gpu drivers 390, it required libvulkan1 > some version. This was available in backports for i386 at debian.org but it didnt show with apt search. I did run "dpkg --add-architecture" and "apt update".
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75 [00:32:01] <phinxy> Then I linked the i386.so to the previous versions .so.. Which was in a "flatpak"-directory? The compilation went OK.
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83 [00:35:22] <abrotman> elios: what are you trying to do?
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88 [00:36:27] <Hifuser> So I just got a new VPS with Docker support(Virtuozzo 7!) Debian 9, 64 Bit, Kernel 4.9.0, Minimal Install...and starting to wonder how minimal because I wanted to install ufw and get this instead. Never seen it before, google unhelpful. replaced-url
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102 [00:45:32] <bites> Hifuser: your provider likely disabled use of some iptables modules. you could send a support question to them.
103 [00:45:44] <Brigo> Hifuser, i think you miss the modules for your running kernel, maybe you have upgrade your kernel without reboot?
104 [00:46:22] <bites> i believe he rented a container. no kernel upgrading there.
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110 [00:49:57] <kerrhau> hi
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113 [00:51:07] <dkmdh> hi kerrhau
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119 [00:51:39] <Brigo> bites, right.
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126 [00:52:48] <kerrhau> idk if my earlier messages sent but I messed with /etc/fonts and now my font rendering looks really bad (replaced-url
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130 [00:52:58] <kerrhau> i was wondering if it was possible to revert /etc/fonts to the debian defaults
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140 [00:55:07] <Hifuser> bites: Oh boy. Yeah, I should have figured. I've had endless issues so far. Minimal does mean minimal. I'm only fighting through it for Docker support. Would it be safer to downgrade to Debian 8? Kernel drops to 3.2.16, I've heard that's pretty unstable for docker though?
141 [00:55:23] <Brigo> kerrhau, it is possible, i don't remember how.
142 [00:55:42] <kerrhau> Brigo: I've tried copying an /etc/fonts from another pc
143 [00:55:43] <Hifuser> Brigo: bites: Yes, this is a rented VPS, the Hiformance $10/yr deal. On their Docker node.
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146 [00:55:49] <kerrhau> but that hasn't worked out too well
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149 [00:56:09] <Brigo> !confmiss
150 [00:56:10] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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153 [00:56:49] <Brigo> even better:
154 [00:56:51] <Brigo> !confnew
155 [00:56:52] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
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164 [00:57:34] <Brigo> Hifuser, well, i have a container too, and i can use iptables afaik. Not docker thought.
165 [00:57:47] <Brigo> though*
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167 [00:59:38] <Brigo> openvz, i think
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175 [01:02:57] <bites> it's not iptables per se, just ufw loading some modules it shouldn't. is ufw mandatory for you? i doubt that their debian 8 nodes are configured differently.
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181 [01:05:28] <Hifuser> Brigo: Yeah. Hiformance has a node or two in LA they moved me to that runs OpenVZ/Virtuozzo 7, which supports kernels new enough for Docker. Trouble is the amount of trouble I am having getting it set up(these VPSs apparently always need to IPs when they are issued. Or moved. Or once a week) I haven't even installed docker yet!
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185 [01:07:24] <Hifuser> Currently my VPS can access the internet from itself, but I can't access it from outside, so after checking sshd config I thought to configure the firewall and I have it all purged (iptables -X/-F) and I was going to install ufw to get it to the way I normally operate and..the reason I came here.
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188 [01:08:06] <Brigo> Hifuser, is that module/directory there? modprobe: FATAL: Module nf_conntrack_ftp not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0 ?
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191 [01:08:48] <Brigo> maybe is just a problem with that module about ftp (provided you don't need ftp iptables support)
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196 [01:10:53] <tripkin> Hi all, I have performed a fresh Debian 9.4 install on a SATA harddrive, which boots fine. When I connect my other drives, the six that are connected through a pair of Promise controllers take sda-sdf leaving my boot drive on sdg. I get the resulting output - the four drives at the top are the drives connected to the motherboard sata controllers - replaced-url
197 [01:11:27] <tripkin> Any ideas on how I can fix this? Booting with a live image and doing a fsck on the boot drive did not fix it.
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208 [01:14:56] <Hifuser> Brigo: replaced-url
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210 [01:15:37] <Brigo> tripkin, you could boot and try to fix grub (if that is the problem which i doubt) with the installer disk
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213 [01:16:13] <Brigo> Hifuser, and of course that match the running kernel.
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215 [01:16:45] <Brigo> what about the module? mine is in /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_ftp.ko
216 [01:16:57] <Hifuser> uname -r/ 4.9.0
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220 [01:18:56] <Hifuser> So the running kernel, 4.9.0, has no kernel folder in modules.
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222 [01:19:19] <Brigo> tripkin, i think debian uses uuid, avoiding this kind of isues.
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224 [01:19:58] <Brigo> Hifuser, then they are running a monolithic kernel? maybe.
225 [01:20:44] <tripkin> Brigo, yes debian does, which is why I am puzzled. If I go and check fstab, it is using the uuid of the drive and not the device name. Grub is what lists the initial boot options, and it starts just fine and then attempts to load debian, which where I get the message I pasted.
226 [01:21:00] <Brigo> anyway it looks like they lack support for ftp, so if you don't need it (that i would expect) you have to configure ufw for not to use it.
227 [01:21:34] <Brigo> tripkin, weird, yes.
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229 [01:22:36] <Brigo> sorry dudes, i have to go to sleep. Bye and good luck.
230 [01:22:50] <tripkin> Brigo, absolutely. If I install using a USB drive, then if I leave the USB in the socket, the system will boot fine. Removing the drive will also cause the pasted message to appear. So I did a net install and I still get this message.
231 [01:23:01] <tripkin> Later Brigo
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235 [01:23:46] <Brigo> tripkin, try to boot in rescue mode from the installer, mount the root partition and install grub from there, maybe you will get some luck
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246 [01:25:39] <tripkin> Thanks Brigo, I will try that
247 [01:26:04] <Hifuser> Thanks for the help Brigo! Good night!
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260 [01:33:19] <bites> Hifuser: is docker support on vps often a problem? i don't really know what would prevent docker from running.
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351 [02:06:42] <tripkin> Anyone monitoring / following this, the rescue mode fix did not work in this case. I have checked the UUID's listed in fstab and grub.cfg against the actual drive id's, and they all match. This is hugely annoying!
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367 [02:10:35] <tripkin> So it looks like Grub is working fine, it is something in the kernel boot process that is blocking me.
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449 [02:56:14] <bug> it sounds like the bios understands your disk controller setup but the kernel doesn't. if your boot drive is one of those 4 on the mobo connectors that aren't being recognized.
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465 [03:05:00] <ellie> how do I update to the latest version of firefox for debian?
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469 [03:05:53] <Uberius> ellie, what version are you currently using?
470 [03:06:09] <ellie> not sure but it's the version that comes with debian 9
471 [03:06:20] <dvs> !tell ellie about mozilla.debian.net
472 [03:07:05] <ellie> ty ;3
473 [03:07:24] <Uberius> that's the latest you'll be able to use under the repository system but you can install firefox 59 from the website
474 [03:07:27] <Uberius> let me check...
475 [03:07:46] <ellie> yeah it's saying I have the latest version actually :( although its outdated
476 [03:07:59] <ellie> irefox-esr is already the newest version (52.7.3esr-1~deb9u1).
477 [03:08:03] <awal1> mozilla.debian.net is no longer as bfore dvs
478 [03:08:34] <dvs> really? What a shame.
479 [03:09:03] <Uberius> replaced-url
480 [03:10:44] <Uberius> ellie, the latest available version is 59.0.3
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482 [03:11:31] <awal1> under stable branch one just gets -esr now
483 [03:11:48] <awal1> or i am wrong
484 [03:12:40] <ellie> 59.0.3 (64-b
485 [03:12:41] <awal1> ,v firefox-esr
486 [03:12:42] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.7.3esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.7.3esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.7.3esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.7.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.7.3esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.7.3esr-1; sid: 52.7.3esr-1
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488 [03:12:49] <awal1> ,v firefox
489 [03:12:50] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 59.0.2-1
490 [03:12:58] <ellie> ok I just updated it using this and it worked
491 [03:13:32] <ellie> replaced-url
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493 [03:13:45] <ellie> it was fairly simple and I have ver 59 now
494 [03:14:50] <awal1> dpkg: don't break debian
495 [03:14:51] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
496 [03:15:19] <awal1> ellie ^
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499 [03:15:38] <ellie> it's riskier to run an outdated browser
500 [03:15:46] <ellie> than installing using a tarball and creating a symlink imho
501 [03:16:02] <ellie> put those two variables to weigh and take your pick
502 [03:17:48] <dvs> esr gets security updates too
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506 [03:18:36] <awal1> deb esr pkg is patched fine
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509 [03:19:29] <awal1> may be outdated in features but security side is covered
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511 [03:20:14] <awal1> anyway, new features = new bugs/security holes
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514 [03:21:27] <poogle> I'm seeing these CPU temperature messages at boot: replaced-url
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560 [03:50:35] <poogle> somiaj, I checked BIOS and didn't see anything in there that looked wrong re: ACPI, thermal ... are there any packages that I need to install or configure for temp control to work properly? that should work by default after install right?
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564 [03:53:28] <somiaj> poogle: well first, since running sid, you should be asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, and my advise was double check bios settings (They sometimes have differnet modes you can put the acpi in) and run a newer kernel, but you are already running a very new kernel.
565 [03:53:36] <somiaj> poogle: are you using efi or legacy boot?
566 [03:54:07] <poogle> somiaj, UEFI
567 [03:54:17] <somiaj> poogle: I can't think of anything besides kernel that could help with this. YOu could look at the lm-sensors package and run sensors-detect, maybe it will detect some sensors to load. But I think the cpu sensors are all default and you won't get anything from this (expcet loading other mobo sensors that may have not been detected)
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569 [03:55:10] <somiaj> I'm not sure where the best place to start debugging kernel issues like this, but acpi on some boards is just very buggy. I do know that in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net seems to be some people far mroe familar with the kernel than I, maybe ask then lurk there.
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571 [03:55:17] <poogle> somiaj, Yeah, I've run into a lot of firmware issues because it's a new computer ... I installed firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-misc-nonfree and those didn't seem to fix issue
572 [03:55:46] <somiaj> you could try to install newer microcode, and checking for firwmare upgrades for your mainboard
573 [03:55:48] <poogle> somiaj, I'll ask in debian-next ... I usually just ask questions here though, because there are so few people there that I rarely get answers
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575 [03:56:09] <somiaj> there are plenty in #debian-next, though not always as active, hence ask, and lurk around
576 [03:56:24] <somiaj> but in #debian-next you ahve a far higher chance of an actual developer, and not just hobbiests like me responding
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579 [03:57:02] <somiaj> !microcode
580 [03:57:02] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. replaced-url
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584 [04:00:50] <poogle> somiaj, thanks - I already installed amd64-microcode too
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634 [04:34:07] <_ke> when running sudo apt-get install roundcube-core, apt suggest to install apache2* with dependencies. i run lighttpd however, which should be a valid replacement. why isn't apt picking that up?
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638 [04:36:26] <devrikx> Just wanted to update anyone who remembers my inquiry on how to get my Samsung Galaxy Book's built-in wifi working. I did get it working in the end, with a custom-built kernel module using some modified source an ubuntu user had uploaded to github.
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643 [04:40:44] <storge> hello folks, i've been poking around looking for debian commentary on the recent removal of gksu from buster. is there another option for that gksu-type function? i found something on using gvfs admin backends and i'm wondering if that's currently the only way for temporary perm elevation for graphical apps. thanks for any help.
644 [04:41:06] <themill> _ke: you need a working php setup too. Install (and configure lighttpd to use) one of libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-fpm | php7.0-cgi and also install the 'php' package first.
645 [04:41:47] <_ke> themill, i do have a working lighttpd/php-fpm setup. that's why i don't want any apache* dependency on my system
646 [04:42:28] <_ke> themill, it seems like roundcube-core has a dependency on libapache2-mod-php and afaik there is no package except this one providing it?
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652 [04:45:51] <themill> _ke: that's not correct
653 [04:46:26] <themill> Do you have the 'php' package installed?
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660 [04:51:19] <_ke> themill, right, i didn't have that meta package installed
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666 [04:58:39] <karlpinc> devrikx: You could file a bug report with the relevant info -- if it's not already fixed in unstable. Then you could (probably) use a kernel from backports and reduce your maintenance work as kernel patches come out.
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679 [05:04:52] <adam5> GE NES IS ... XBOX, NINTENDO, SEE... TEN NES SEE.... now see Silicon in Genesis: proof you are in the Matrix, in virtual reality--and how it will end disease, hunger, and help us build Heaven. replaced-url
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712 [05:32:28] <pierrot> it works with HEAD detached at this commit too
713 [05:32:31] <pierrot> Irssi 1.2-gfb9f5174 (20180308) - replaced-url
714 [05:33:20] <pierrot> I could recompile irssi with every commit until find which one breaks irssi-xmpp but I guess an irssi developer can make something better
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972 [09:00:10] <daggs1-work> Greetings, is there a headless installer for debian?
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987 [09:09:24] <themill> daggs1-work: you might need to explain what you need
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989 [09:10:14] <daggs1-work> themill: got a server, no screen, I want to install debian stable on it via ssh
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997 [09:15:03] <themill> I assume you've got a pxe or tftp setup there so you can feed it the installer image plus the preseed file to tell the installer what to do
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1013 [09:27:40] <daggs1-work> themill: I can do that, question is, how can I continue the install via ssh? I've never done tftp install
1014 [09:27:52] <daggs1-work> especially when it comes to headless
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1021 [09:31:19] <themill> you preseed to tell the installer to pick up the ssh installer module and give it either a password or a key. (If you're already preseeding, you perhaps just do the entire thing non-interactively and then don't need ssh)
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1024 [09:32:31] <daggs1-work> themill: can you point me to any reference on how to enable the ssh module?
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1053 [09:52:55] <kubi1> hi
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1059 [09:56:54] <kubi1> I'm using debian buster
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1062 [09:57:32] <kubi1> in libreoffice it seems that the resize handles (e.g., for a text box, but any other shape) is broken
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1064 [09:58:01] <kubi1> graphically as well as when I move the mouse pointer
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1069 [09:59:05] <kubi1> instead of a small square like "[ ]" I can see two half like "] ["
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1093 [10:11:46] <_2E0LNX> Where is the best place to ask if a Debian package was compiled with a specific feature enabled?
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1097 [10:13:25] <themill> _2E0LNX: the package description or the source package debian/rules file will answer that question
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1099 [10:14:04] <_2E0LNX> cool, I'll look there then
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1133 [10:43:46] <_2E0LNX> feature was there, but I was caling it wrong. found the right way to invoke it thanks to the pointer from themill
1134 [10:43:51] <_2E0LNX> many thanks
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1177 [11:16:54] <Sir_Designer> today is May Day, homies. Wear your worker's heart on yur sleve. Or else. replaced-url
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1202 [11:32:44] <cluelesslol> hi
1203 [11:32:54] <cluelesslol> HOW ar eyou supposed to maintain packages in linux?
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1205 [11:33:10] <cluelesslol> I'm trying to compile irssi, which first thing, requires >2.6 glibc
1206 [11:33:17] <cluelesslol> but the only thing available is 2.43
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1208 [11:33:30] <cluelesslol> apt-cache search glibc yields HUNDREDS of results
1209 [11:33:34] <cluelesslol> how do you sort this stuff
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1220 [11:46:59] <iodev> cluelesslol: why would you compile irssi?
1221 [11:47:02] <iodev> sudo apt-get install irssi
1222 [11:47:05] <iodev> done!
1223 [11:47:26] <iodev> you think yourself in the 90s? ./configure make && su make install
1224 [11:47:43] <Epakai> 2.43 is greater than 2.6, but 2.43 isn't a released version as far as i can tell
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1228 [11:48:18] <iodev> cluelesslol: yes you need glibc 2.6 which is not available for debian
1229 [11:48:25] <iodev> debian stable at least, it's too new
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1231 [11:49:08] <iodev> you can manually compile glibc (nasty) and install it, but it'll mess up your debian for good
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1246 [11:57:26] <at0m> ,v glibc
1247 [11:57:27] <judd> No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64.
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1253 [12:00:41] <at0m> cluelesslol: debian's irssi maintainer is in #irssi, she'll know.
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1260 [12:04:44] <Epakai> 2.6 dates back 10 years or more, any modern release is going to meet that requirement
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1297 [12:19:43] <peterandre> hi, im trying to runa cronjob every 3 months. like so -> 30 03 01 May,Aug,Nov,Feb * /etc/letsencrypt/renew.sh
1298 [12:19:56] <peterandre> it didnt execute today (first of may) am i doing something wrong
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1300 [12:20:22] <Azrael_-> peterandre: i assume you are using one of the letsencrypt-clients?
1301 [12:20:27] <peterandre> yes
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1303 [12:20:57] <Azrael_-> then follow the guide and run it every day. they are built to actually do only something if it is needed
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1305 [12:21:07] <jelly> cluelesslol: glibc 2.6 is very, very old. When building things from source, you need to install development packages, in this case libc6-dev. Or install build-essential right away which brings a couple development-related things you almost always need when compiling C source
1306 [12:21:15] <peterandre> ok thanks
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1311 [12:23:25] <jelly> dpkg, tell cluelesslol about package rebuild
1312 [12:23:28] <jelly> dpkg, tell cluelesslol about deb-src
1313 [12:24:02] <jelly> cluelesslol: what's wrong with irssi build from the distro, if I may ask?
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1328 [12:31:31] <luna_> Videos from Linux Fest Northwest 2018 is out on Youtube now: replaced-url
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1374 [13:07:18] <Sveta> why is gnucash not in buster/sid but it is in stable and others?
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1392 [13:14:52] <jelly> ,v gnucash
1393 [13:14:53] <judd> Package: gnucash on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.4.10-6; wheezy-backports: 1:2.6.4-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.6.4-3; jessie-backports: 1:2.6.11-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.6.15-1; sid: 1:2.6.19-1; experimental: 1:3.0-1
1394 [13:15:00] <jelly> it's in sid...
1395 [13:15:10] <jelly> !why is gnucash not in testing
1396 [13:15:11] <dpkg> gnucash is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1399 [13:15:42] <jelly> Sveta, ^^
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1402 [13:16:39] <Sveta> jelly, ok, and what's 'buster' in my debian version?
1403 [13:16:58] <jelly> !buster
1404 [13:16:59] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
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1406 [13:17:14] <cmm11> those bots sure earn their paycheck
1407 [13:17:23] * jelly nods vigorously
1408 [13:17:33] <Sveta> jelly: am I running sid or buster?
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1410 [13:18:08] <jelly> Sveta, I don't have access to your machine, you tell me!
1411 [13:18:12] <abrotman> dpkg: botsnack
1412 [13:18:12] <dpkg> thanks, abrotman
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1414 [13:19:04] <jelly> Sveta, you're running whatever your sources point to
1415 [13:19:42] <Sveta> jelly: replaced-url
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1418 [13:20:24] <jelly> right
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1422 [13:21:37] <jelly> Sveta, so you only have buster repos enabled.
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1425 [13:22:03] <Sveta> which is the same thing as stretch right?
1426 [13:22:37] <Sveta> i'm confused with it
1427 [13:22:38] <cmm11> no
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1429 [13:22:44] <jelly> stretch is debian 9, released. buster is current testing
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1431 [13:23:19] <Sveta> if debian stretch has been released, and sid is the name of the next release after, then what is sid?
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1433 [13:23:24] <Sveta> sorry
1434 [13:23:30] <Sveta> if debian stretch has been released, and buster is the name of the next release after, then what is sid?
1435 [13:23:33] <cmm11> sid is always unstable
1436 [13:23:34] <jelly> !sid
1437 [13:23:35] <dpkg> i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
1438 [13:24:13] <segwent> Hi, i did some digging into firefox and found "hardware acceleration blocked by platform" .. I was able to partially enable this with about:config--layers.acceleration.force-enabled:true and now firefox is about 5~10x faster .. so it appears HW-accel does effect X
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1440 [13:24:30] <Sveta> so i'm running buster (according to sources.list) and 'buster/sid' (according to /etc/*release*), and they are the same thing for now, but this will no longer be the case after debian 10 is released?
1441 [13:24:44] <jelly> correct
1442 [13:25:08] <Sveta> and they are the same thing as 'testing' ?
1443 [13:25:16] <jelly> right now yes
1444 [13:26:02] <Sveta> sid is unstable. unstable is not the same thing as testing. therefore my buster/sid is not the same thing as testing. correct?
1445 [13:26:03] <jelly> until buster becomes "stable" when it's released, and bullseye is created and becomes new "testing"
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1448 [13:27:26] <jelly> Sveta, package versions in testing and unstable are almost the same during most of the release cycle. This is reflected in the content of /etc/debian_release
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1450 [13:27:44] <jelly> um. /etc/debian_version
1451 [13:28:33] <jelly> so it shows codename-of-testing/codename-of-unstable almost all the time
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1457 [13:29:12] <Sveta> okay, in this context i am reading the above more clearly now, thanks :-) i suppose gnucash is not in sid for now and the QA site says why
1458 [13:29:42] <jelly> it is in sid. But you don't have sid repos enabled.
1459 [13:29:42] <Sveta> but judd says it is in sid
1460 [13:29:42] <Sveta> why?
1461 [13:29:52] <jelly> !tum
1462 [13:29:52] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
1463 [13:29:56] <jelly> !debian-next
1464 [13:29:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1465 [13:30:26] <Sveta> since i've got buster repos enabled... why is that not the same as having sid repos enabled?
1466 [13:30:43] <Sveta> or if you like we can move over to that channel with this discussion
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1470 [13:31:44] <jelly> testing and unstable are different branches.
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1473 [13:33:09] <jelly> new packages get uploaded to unstable first. There's a workflow where packages that are not too buggy get copied into testing after a specific peroid of time.
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1475 [13:33:23] <jelly> Your package is one of the buggy packages.
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1477 [13:33:43] <Sveta> so buster = unstable ?
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1479 [13:34:04] <jelly> you're pulling my leg right?
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1481 [13:34:32] <jelly> buster is testing branch
1482 [13:34:37] <jelly> unstable is unstable
1483 [13:34:42] <jelly> they're not the same
1484 [13:34:47] <Sveta> jelly: if the package is in unstable but not in testing (because of bugs), and if i do not have the package, it means i got to be on unstable
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1486 [13:35:15] <jelly> Sveta, it means you can't get that package from testing, nothing more, nothing less
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1488 [13:35:38] <Sveta> i think i misread
1489 [13:36:04] <Sveta> its in unstable (step 0) but not in testing (step 1), and i'm on testing, so it all matches up
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1491 [13:37:00] <Sveta> thanks jelly
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1547 [14:11:46] <mojoman> Hi all. I'm having some problems with kernel modules at boot that won't load, though everything seem to work fine. Also, my bumblebee optirun won't start the nvidia card because module nvida won't load, so I'm guessing they are connected.
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1549 [14:12:56] <mojoman> Module nvidia is loaded (according to lsmod) but not used. nvidiacurrent is not loaded. modprobe does not help
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1551 [14:13:10] <mojoman> Anyone has any hints for troubleshooting this?
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1583 [14:31:38] <greenit> hi, how can i add the gpg key from the official repo? this is what apt tells me: Err:1 replaced-url
1584 [14:31:39] <greenit> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010
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1596 [14:35:58] <iTeV> greenit: `apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 8B48AD6246925553`
1597 [14:36:03] <iTeV> should do the job
1598 [14:36:31] <iTeV> run it again and replace `8B48AD6246925553` with `7638D0442B90D010`
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1600 [14:36:49] <greenit> thanks iTeV , that worked
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1603 [14:37:13] <iTeV> anytime! :)
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1655 [15:00:10] <HanSooloo> how do the VLC developers/maintainers build RaspberryPi packages? do they compile on actual Pi's (slow) or do they utilize more powerful machines/compile-farms, e.g., an x64 machine?
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1674 [15:10:41] <karlpinc> iTeV: If you're installing ubuntu packages on Debian you are setting yourself up for trouble. There's other ways to do things.
1675 [15:10:57] <karlpinc> greenit: ^
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1677 [15:11:08] <karlpinc> !tell greenit about frankendebian
1678 [15:11:13] <iTeV> karlpinc hm?
1679 [15:11:20] <iTeV> im not installing any packages from ubuntu repo
1680 [15:11:28] <iTeV> only fetching the keys from the ubuntu keyserver
1681 [15:11:35] <karlpinc> iTeV: That was for greenit
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1683 [15:11:51] <iTeV> ah, check
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1711 [15:27:07] <jermy> So, I'm pretty sure on wheezy doing a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' with packages that can't be upgraded (because of missing dependencies and/or breaks) showed those packages as unable to be upgraded. On jessie, these packages just aren't shown at all as being in some sort of unable-to-be-upgraded state. Any ideas how to force it to attempt to upgrade everything?
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1715 [15:28:08] <themill> upgrade from what to what?
1716 [15:28:55] <jermy> It's our own debian packages, so package A has a dependency on package B (larger than some version) that in this case can't be fulfilled
1717 [15:29:19] <jermy> But we didn't notice because the dist-upgrade didn't warn that package A was being held back
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1719 [15:30:46] <jermy> aptitude correctly warns that it can't do a dist-upgrade
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2009 [17:46:09] <galaxie> Is this the place to ask about problems with sed regexes?
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2020 [17:52:34] <fath0m> Hello guys, I need some help. I've got a rar file, I've downloaded unrar and unrar-free, use that to extract, with -x option
2021 [17:52:41] <fath0m> and somehow, some of my files fail to extract
2022 [17:52:45] <fath0m> namely .jpg ones, why?
2023 [17:53:03] <RoyK> pastebin the errors
2024 [17:53:30] <RoyK> iirc 7zip also supports rar - might be worth a try
2025 [17:53:45] <fath0m> replaced-url
2026 [17:54:10] <fath0m> i first suspected the unicode characters, but other files with those did infact extract, just .jpg ones didn't
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2028 [17:54:21] <RoyK> looks like a locale issue
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2030 [17:54:47] <RoyK> fath0m: can you try with p7zip?
2031 [17:54:49] <fath0m> but why others did extract and some didnt?
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2033 [17:56:38] <RoyK> just try p7zip first
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2041 [17:58:09] <fath0m> still get an error with p7zip
2042 [17:58:10] <fath0m> replaced-url
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2053 [18:03:55] <fath0m> anybody has an idea? :D
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2058 [18:06:20] <tdn> I normally do "service FOO stauts|start|stop|restart" but I see more and more references to people doing "systemctl restart FOO" is the latter the preferred way of doing this? Is using 'service' deprecated? What difference is there?
2059 [18:06:50] <tdn> Debian 9
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2066 [18:08:01] <segwent> tdn: systemctl = systemd
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2070 [18:09:15] <jken> Hello, I ma setting up an apt repo on s3 using deb-s3. I have it publishing a signed repo.. I have the public key added to apt-key on a machine as well as have the repo added in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, however, when I apt-get update it complains about this: NO_PUBKEY 747CAB714B2AF42E. This does not seem to be the same pubkey ID that matches the key pair I signed the repo with :/ Can anyone help me out?
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2074 [18:10:52] <tdn> segwent, yeah, I figure systemctl appeared after systemd, however, I am still not sure what the difference is? Both seem to work just fine. Is service deprecated? Or can I continue using that?
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2081 [18:12:15] <segwent> tdn: i don't know about deprecated but there is a positive move toward systemd generally .. now they use a wrapper script to make it compaitible with both but you probably need to learn about systemctl etc
2082 [18:13:28] <tdn> segwent, ok
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2090 [18:15:12] <jhutchins_wk> tdn: We used to use /etc/init.d/<program> as the start|stop|status command. service was just a handy way to invoke that. systemctl is the control interface for systemd like init was for init. using service will show a redirect to systemctl, but either syntax will work. (Nice thing about service is that if you have a variety of machines to manage you don't have to check whether you're on systemd
2091 [18:15:16] <segwent> tdn: i just use systemd when possible but that's not a popular decision ;)
2092 [18:15:19] <jhutchins_wk> or init.)
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2096 [18:17:01] <u0_a104> i want ask
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2102 [18:18:08] <segwent> it's going to be a big one !
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2122 [18:26:59] <Guest25444> Does Debian have any plans to undo making systemd mandatory in the next release?
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2125 [18:27:54] <segwent> wasn't there a fork of debian that refuses to use systemd ?
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2127 [18:29:00] <alkisg> I think it's called devuan
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2130 [18:29:48] <segwent> that's the one !
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2132 [18:29:54] <mephistolist> I know antiX has repos with no systemd too.
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2135 [18:30:13] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: No, Debian will go with the majority of distros and make systemd the standard until something "better" comes along.
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2146 [18:37:40] <Guest25444> What about OpenRC?
2147 [18:38:31] <Guest25444> It solves a lot of the shortcomings of SysVinit while still not reinventing the wheel
2148 [18:38:43] <alkisg> Guest25444: replaced-url
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2150 [18:39:03] <Guest25444> yeah that
2151 [18:39:05] <alkisg> There are valid reasons why most distros went with systemd; if you want, you can read about it
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2154 [18:39:36] <Guest25444> I already have but i disagree with them.
2155 [18:39:55] <alkisg> You're free to give some time and maintain e.g. openrc for debian
2156 [18:40:03] <alkisg> It might take you months, but it's surely possible
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2158 [18:40:29] <alkisg> So if you disagree deeply enough to spend those months, go ahead!
2159 [18:40:38] <Guest25444> alkisg, that's not the issue though. the issue it when a lot of userspace programs start depending on libsystemd0
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2161 [18:40:55] <alkisg> As a programmer, I love that
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2163 [18:41:06] <alkisg> I might accept patches for your openrc debian fork; but no promises :)
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2166 [18:41:35] <alkisg> Linux lacked a core that packages could use; systemd slowly takes that role
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2168 [18:41:48] <Guest25444> i could always remove a Debian base system's systemd and replace it with OpenRC. But as soon as i start trying to do work on my Debian box some program i need even if it's completely userspace pulls back in systemd
2169 [18:42:04] <alkisg> Right, you would need to maintain patches for many applications
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2171 [18:42:15] <alkisg> It would be a full time job for you if you wanted to support all applications
2172 [18:42:24] <Guest25444> making systemd a lock-in system
2173 [18:42:31] <alkisg> Yeah, wonderful!
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2175 [18:42:36] <alkisg> Finally something we can depend on
2176 [18:42:48] <alkisg> And not having to support 12345 different methods of doing things
2177 [18:42:48] <Guest25444> witch, is not in the spirit of free software
2178 [18:42:59] <Guest25444> I thought that's what BSD was for
2179 [18:43:03] <alkisg> I don't want to spend years following what people think free software is
2180 [18:43:13] <alkisg> As a programmer, I want specific APIs
2181 [18:43:23] <Guest25444> What about Linux and GNU?
2182 [18:43:32] <alkisg> Linux does have APIs
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2185 [18:43:42] <alkisg> And programs rely on them and they don't run under non linux kernels (some)
2186 [18:43:59] <alkisg> But I don't hear many complaining about that
2187 [18:44:07] <alkisg> It's only systemd that's fashionable to complain against
2188 [18:44:39] <alkisg> Anyways, I think that's no longer debian support, so I'll shut up for now :)
2189 [18:44:55] <Guest25444> well I'd say it's easier to be locked into Linux than Systemd/GNU/Linux
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2195 [18:46:00] <Guest25444> You said that if i made patches to programs in Debian that did not pull in systemd, they could be pushed back into Debian?
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2198 [18:46:46] <Guest25444> What about the Devuan project? They do that already. Could their patches be pushed back into Debian?
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2200 [18:48:11] <jhutchins> Guest25444: #debian-offtopic
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2203 [18:48:59] <Guest25444> jhutchins, i think this question is on topic, especially that last one.
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2205 [18:49:33] <jhutchins> Guest25444: No, this is Debian support.
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2208 [18:51:49] <mephistolist> Well, if a user wants to block systemd from being installed in debian it seems you can block this in /etc/apt/preferences, which is part of the debian system, no?
2209 [18:52:05] <jelly> !stretch sysvinit
2210 [18:52:05] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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2212 [18:52:19] <mephistolist> replaced-url
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2219 [18:54:28] <Guest25444> mephistolist, So systemd is more of a soft dependency and can be blocked or does this block all packages that depend on systemd in Debian as to not accidentally install it say during and apt full-upgrade?
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2221 [18:55:14] <jelly> Guest25444: patches might be accepted as long as they don't break anything, however in practice that might mean packaging two different versions of some software and that makes things more complicated and is likely to be rejected if it makes lots of extra work for the maintainer in the long run
2222 [18:55:52] <Guest25444> jelly, ah ok
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2224 [18:56:27] <dondelelcaro> Guest25444: most of Devuan's patches can't be merged, because they remove systemd support entirely.
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2230 [18:57:39] <dondelelcaro> or rather, won't be merged.
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2234 [18:58:50] <jelly> I assumed Guest25444 would provide magical patches that keep everything working and solve all the consequences of splitting a couple dozen packages into parallel builds, and help all those maintainer teams keep both options working for an indefinite amount of time
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2242 [19:00:37] <dondelelcaro> jelly: there's about 176 packages which depend on libsystemd0, so you'd be stuck with that at least
2243 [19:00:55] <jelly> easy-peasy
2244 [19:01:09] <dondelelcaro> and good luck with udev ;-)
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2248 [19:02:36] <jelly> did you see all sorts of weird problems a user running debian with static dev inside a containerish env. had the other day
2249 [19:02:42] <rant> stretch amd64 netgear wg111v3 (usb) aborting authentication by local choice Reason 3=Deauth_leaving when connecting to open ap same adapter works fine with same ap on a stretch i386 box. plz advise
2250 [19:02:59] <dondelelcaro> jelly: no, thankfully. I've submitted patches to MAKEDEV. Never again.
2251 [19:03:07] <rant> driver is r8169
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2256 [19:04:05] <rant> using network manager w/ mate
2257 [19:04:17] <jhutchins_wk> rant: Sounds like your authentication settings don't match.
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2259 [19:05:05] <rant> jhutchins_wk: cant imagine why just clicking "xfinitywifi" in nm applet its an open network
2260 [19:05:13] * rant checks
2261 [19:05:28] <jhutchins_wk> rant: dmesg | less
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2263 [19:05:55] <jhutchins_wk> rant: Make sure you're not running wicd and nm together, make sure you don't have a static config.
2264 [19:06:02] <jelly> rant: same version of kernel and fw?
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2266 [19:06:41] <jelly> and isn't r8169 wired gigabit?
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2268 [19:06:59] <jhutchins_wk> ! r8169
2269 [19:06:59] <dpkg> r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
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2271 [19:07:15] <jelly> right. Why do I even remember that.
2272 [19:07:25] <jken> apt-update is giving me `W: GPG error: replaced-url
2273 [19:07:25] <jken> ` on a repository I setup, and I have no idea why. Can anyone help me out?
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2275 [19:08:39] <jelly> jken: the repo is not signed with your key, or you did not add the key file to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/something.gpg ?
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2277 [19:08:53] <jken> jelly, the thing is I did both :/
2278 [19:08:57] <bites> or the key is not strong enough. what kind of key is it?
2279 [19:09:12] <mutante> jken: step one: use gpg --search-keys to search for that key and import it. second step: export it and pipe into | apt-key add -
2280 [19:09:15] <rant> jelly: sry rtl8187 read wrong module and both systems are stretch and worked otb didnt need to install fw device is old
2281 [19:09:26] <jken> mutante, did that, can confirm its trusted.
2282 [19:09:55] <jken> `apt-key finger` includes this
2283 [19:09:56] <jken> replaced-url
2284 [19:10:00] <jelly> jken: which OS and release and software used to create and sign the repo?
2285 [19:10:10] <rant> hmm maybe it is fw issue.. heh.. dmesg seems to indicate so
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2288 [19:10:34] <jken> jelly, using a tool called deb-s3, ran it from a fedora system.
2289 [19:10:38] <mutante> maybe rsa2048 isnt strong enough?
2290 [19:10:58] <jken> Ill try a stronger key. I thought it would tell me explicitly if the key was too week though
2291 [19:11:07] <jken> Ill do a 4098
2292 [19:11:19] <mutante> agree, "invalid signature" sounds different.. hmm
2293 [19:11:33] <mutante> but could be invalid because signed with rsa2048 key
2294 [19:11:36] <mutante> ?
2295 [19:11:40] <bites> i'm using rsa2048 on stretch. created with gpg2 defaults. but you do get that error if the key is too weak.
2296 [19:11:51] <jelly> jken: and it's not a horribly old fedora?
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2298 [19:11:57] <jken> nah, 28.
2299 [19:12:03] <rant> oh well.. need to manually dl firmware on other machine then...
2300 [19:12:04] <jken> I am using gpg rather than gpg2 however.
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2338 [19:33:36] <jken> mutante, jelly, exact same error with a 4096 key :/
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2340 [19:35:07] <jelly> can you verify the Release file manually?
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2343 [19:35:23] <rant> jelly: jhutchins_wk apparently I was right the first time about the fw and it working otb.. the firmware message on this amd64 box was for the r8169 lan adapter..
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2345 [19:35:36] <rant> seems the issue is NOT firmware related
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2347 [19:35:59] <mutante> jken: did you really export it from gpg to apt-key? gpg --export --armor E7654B805B62B2A7FAE175778480F1873E0DCAEC | sudo apt-key add -
2348 [19:36:29] <jken> Ill try that, I did apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 09E2848C73A12E93
2349 [19:36:32] <jken> and it told me it got it.
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2352 [19:36:58] <rant> I plug the cord into this IBM Thinkpad t42p (vanilla stretch / MATE i386) and it just works, and when I plg it into this vanilla stretch/MATE amd64 thin client it keeps failing to authenticate with an OPEN ap
2353 [19:37:22] <jken> Generally if it didn't know of the key, I've seen it throw a PUBKEY error as part of the error.
2354 [19:38:07] <jelly> jken: do you mean 8480F1873E0DCAEC not 09E2848C73A12E93
2355 [19:38:31] <jken> 09E2848C73A12E93 is my new 4096 key
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2357 [19:39:04] <jken> apt-get update with that key -> replaced-url
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2360 [19:40:01] <jken> what.. that references the old one.. which isn;t on the repo anymore.
2361 [19:40:18] <jelly> jken: can you verify the Release file manually?
2362 [19:40:29] <rant> I've manually set the time/date to match this machine, there are not firmware issues in dmesg, idk what else could be going wrong
2363 [19:41:11] <rant> it says authenticated in dmesg before it says the aborting authentication by local choice
2364 [19:41:35] <jken> jelly, how might i do that?
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2372 [19:43:59] <jhutchins_wk> rant: Maybe it's failing because it shouldn't be authenticating?
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2374 [19:44:35] <jelly> jken: I don't know the correct syntax, but "gpg Release.gpg" does the right thing if you then provide path to Release file
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2377 [19:45:23] <jken> jelly, I should be verifying InRelease right? Not Release
2378 [19:45:50] <jelly> I don't think so
2379 [19:46:14] <jken> Release is not wrapped in any gpg stuff, replaced-url
2380 [19:46:21] <jken> err.. sorry for that URL.
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2386 [19:47:56] <jken> aha, Release can be verified, InRelease cannot.. and its InRelease apt-get update complains about.
2387 [19:47:57] <jken> replaced-url
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2390 [19:49:15] <jelly> oh, InRelease have embedded signatures
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2392 [19:49:57] <jken> If I remove InRelease from the repo, apt-get update begins complaining about Release.. replaced-url
2393 [19:50:06] <jken> Although it would be verified locally.
2394 [19:50:28] <rant> it would seem the issue is related to long interface names, and apparently I disabled them somehow on this machine because on this machine the adapter is just wlan0 and on the other its wlxc...blah
2395 [19:50:43] <jelly> ah, "gpg < InRelease" works for verifying those
2396 [19:51:00] <rant> the ln -s /dev/null /etc/sysctl.d/99-default.link thing isnt disabling the long interface names.. idk what I did on this machine to disable them
2397 [19:51:06] <jken> `gpg InRelease` says its good
2398 [19:51:18] <jken> sorry, `gpg < InRelease`
2399 [19:51:24] <jken> gpg: Signature made Tue 01 May 2018 02:43:25 PM ADT using RSA key ID 73A12E93
2400 [19:51:24] <jken> gpg: Good signature from "Screen Scape Networks <support@screenscape.com>"
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2402 [19:51:37] <jelly> weird, then I don't know what apt does
2403 [19:51:51] <rant> apparently its a firmware bug that the device doesnt work with the long interface names
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2407 [19:52:29] <jelly> rant: wtf is /etc/sysctl.d/99-default.link
2408 [19:53:13] <rant> jelly: erm /etc/systemd/ rather
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2411 [19:53:34] <jelly> dpkg, listvals net.ifnames=0
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2413 [19:53:36] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'net.ifnames=0' by value returned no results.
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2415 [19:53:56] <jelly> rant: that as boot parameter: net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
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2418 [19:55:43] <jelly> jken: which debian release is this, stretch?
2419 [19:55:48] <jken> yep
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2421 [19:56:11] <jken> its a fresh stretch install
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2440 [20:01:47] <rant> jelly: that net.ifnames paramater had worked, and the wifi works now :P
2441 [20:01:59] <rant> strange firmware bug... heh
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2450 [20:04:17] <jken> This makes no sense, /etc/apt/trusted.gpg includes the correct key/fingerprint. When i use the same key to verify the Release and InRelease files locally they are fine.
2451 [20:04:17] <jelly> jken: no clue, I was able to replicate the issue with "deb replaced-url
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2454 [20:04:38] <jken> jelly, at least you can reproduce the issue and I am not crazy
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2458 [20:05:17] <jelly> well I'm not going to judge your mental unhealth, you might be hallucinating this whole irc conversation
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2461 [20:05:26] <bites> could you try creating the key with gpg2?
2462 [20:05:45] <bites> i believe i had the same issue when i used gpg first.
2463 [20:06:07] <jken> bites, the tool I am using to generate the repository (deb-s3) complains about not being able to find a default secret key when i create they pair using gpg2
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2465 [20:06:17] <jken> I may need to fork that tool and have it call gpg2 itself
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2467 [20:06:44] <bites> no, just for generating the key
2468 [20:07:20] <jken> yeah, I tried. then deb-s3 complains about not finding a default secret key, even though I provide the key id :/
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2470 [20:07:34] <jken> Ill give it another shit.
2471 [20:07:41] <jken> shot*... long day
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2476 [20:09:56] <jelly> oh haha, strace shows gpgv returns exit code 0 and says something about
2477 [20:09:58] <jelly> 12000 write(2, "gpgv: Good signature from \"Scree"..., 75 <unfinished ...>
2478 [20:10:48] <jken> Thats.. intersting.
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2480 [20:12:50] <jelly> jken: ah. Release seems to be signed with SHA1 not SHA256 for some reason
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2483 [20:13:33] <jelly> /var/lib/apt/lists/screenscape-dev-us-east-2-aptrepo.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com_dists_annapolis_Release <- that one
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2485 [20:14:37] <jelly> that looks suspicious but I thought there was a separate error message for that
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2490 [20:16:27] <jken> jelly, thats odd, I disabled sha1 entirely in my gpg config
2491 [20:16:35] <jelly> gpg: binary signature, digest algorithm SHA1, key algorithm rsa4096
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2503 [20:19:54] <jken> Ill try specifying --cert-digest-algo sha256 when generating the key..
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2507 [20:20:13] <jelly> key is not problematic, singing algo is
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2510 [20:20:20] <jelly> you don't have to change the key again
2511 [20:20:48] <jelly> s/don't/shouldn't/, I'm not that good with gpg to be 100% certain
2512 [20:21:17] <jken> Ill just generate a new key to be safe, call me superstitious
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2517 [20:23:04] <jelly> all those wasted bits of entropy
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2530 [20:27:03] <jelly> ,kernels
2531 [20:27:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); buster: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
2532 [20:27:06] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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2534 [20:27:27] <jelly> I spy a 4.9.88-1
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2539 [20:28:08] <jken> jelly, still failing with the same error verifying InRelease
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2543 [20:28:59] <annadane> yeah there's a kernel security update thing for stable and oldstable
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2545 [20:29:04] <jelly> what does gpg -v < InRelease say now, does the thing have a SHA256 digest sig now?
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2547 [20:29:12] <sysmon> sysmon : BBL.
2548 [20:29:16] * annadane is not following the conversation otherwise
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2550 [20:29:40] <jelly> annadane: it's fine, that wasn't related to any conversation
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2552 [20:29:53] <jken> dammit, still saying sha1
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2555 [20:31:03] <jken> I think its deb-s3 specifying the hash algo here: replaced-url
2556 [20:31:05] <jelly> sysmon: one would have thought sysmon _knew_ when sysmon was away...!
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2558 [20:31:27] <jelly> then deb-s3 is debroken
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2562 [20:32:04] <jken> hmm. that switch statement looks like it would use sha256 with a longer hash.. wonder what that "hash" is
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2565 [20:32:35] <annadane> i wonder what's new in 4.16
2566 [20:32:39] <jelly> but that code doesn't seem to have anything to do with gnupg options
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2568 [20:32:42] <annadane> nothing for nouveau, that's a certainty
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2573 [20:33:40] <jelly> jken: that seems to just parse stuff from Release
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2575 [20:33:49] <jken> yeah. seeing that now. :
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2583 [20:37:16] <jken> jelly, deb-s3 lets me pass args to gpg via --gpg-options, any idea what I need to pass to have it use sha256?
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2585 [20:37:44] <jelly> I.... have no idea
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2591 [20:40:37] <jken> aha, --digest-algo might just do it.
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2594 [20:41:21] <jken> oh ffs,
2595 [20:41:22] <jken> replaced-url
2596 [20:41:34] <jken> there is an issue with that fix documented, just had to look in the right place.
2597 [20:41:38] <Thedarkb> How come my computer keeps locking itself after 5 minutes
2598 [20:41:53] <Thedarkb> I disabled the lock screen in xscreensaver, but it locks anyway.
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2605 [20:43:21] <Thedarkb> It's infuriating.
2606 [20:43:22] <jelly> jken: now you can add a metoo to > I spent several hours chasing this down today
2607 [20:43:31] <jken> already did.
2608 [20:43:39] <jelly> !win jken
2609 [20:43:40] <dpkg> Congratulations, jken! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
2610 [20:43:44] <jken> woo!!
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2612 [20:43:52] <Thedarkb> I like spam sandwiches.
2613 [20:44:05] <jken> spam256 hashing!
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2616 [20:44:24] <jelly> jken: don't tell anyone but you typod SHA265
2617 [20:44:36] <Thedarkb> So, does anyone know why debian keeps locking my screen?
2618 [20:44:46] <jken> jelly, I don't know what you are talking about ;)
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2621 [20:45:01] <annadane> Thedarkb, locking in what sense? just random freezes or actual lock screen?
2622 [20:45:02] <jelly> Thedarkb: which DE are you using, maybe it has its own lock thingy
2623 [20:45:06] <Thedarkb> MATE
2624 [20:45:12] <Thedarkb> It kicks me back to the login screen.
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2626 [20:45:32] <jelly> that sounds like it's logging you out
2627 [20:45:33] <annadane> system - control center - power management settings or screensaver settings
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2629 [20:46:02] <jelly> unless the unlock screen and the login screen look exactly the same
2630 [20:46:04] <Thedarkb> jelly, But when I log back in, everything is still open.
2631 [20:46:10] <jelly> (who'd do that?)
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2633 [20:46:29] <Thedarkb> right so, crawling back to LXDE
2634 [20:46:50] <alkisg> It's just reusing the login manager for lock screen authentication
2635 [20:46:55] <jken> jelly, thank you for working through that with me. I learned some stuff.
2636 [20:46:55] <alkisg> Completely sane :)
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2640 [20:47:24] <alkisg> Thedarkb: just disable or lower the lock screen timeout
2641 [20:47:32] <Thedarkb> I can't find it.
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2648 [20:49:12] <alkisg> Thedarkb: did you go to the settings > screensaver?
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2651 [20:49:35] <Thedarkb> alkisg, yes
2652 [20:49:39] <Thedarkb> It's set to never lock.
2653 [20:49:54] <Thedarkb> This is my punishment for trying a new DE :P
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2656 [20:50:11] <alkisg> Ah, if you also have xscreensaver or other DEs, you'd need to disable them too
2657 [20:50:29] <alkisg> It's not suspend, is it?
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2661 [20:53:23] <Thedarkb> alkisg, nope
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2674 [21:00:48] <kiriuha__> sudo install
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2676 [21:01:08] <kiriuha__> mount
2677 [21:01:19] <Thedarkb> Seems like MATE was the issue
2678 [21:01:26] <Thedarkb> That's what I get for trying different DEs
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2681 [21:02:24] <Thedarkb> :P
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2709 [21:14:59] <alkisg> Thedarkb: well, stretch with mate works fine here, no locking issues
2710 [21:15:08] <alkisg> So it's probably something wrong in your setup
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2716 [21:18:12] <mutante> stretch with mate here as well, cant confirm issue
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2719 [21:21:33] <simbalion> Hi, is it possible to install PHP 5.4 on stretch, alongside php7, using apt?
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2723 [21:24:25] <mutante> simbalion: not really. it's too old and already "End of Life"
2724 [21:24:43] <mutante> you could get 5.6 if you used 3rd party repos like replaced-url
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2726 [21:24:55] <mutante> but per default everything is php7 now
2727 [21:25:05] <mutante> replaced-url
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2730 [21:25:49] <mutante> " Users of this release should upgrade as soon as possible, as they may be exposed to unpatched security vulnerabilities. "
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2752 [21:37:37] <Guest25444> I can't clone Github on Debian Jessie. when i try to clone i get an error 'gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated.'
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2754 [21:38:48] <Guest25444> using gnutls-cli-debug github.com reports replaced-url
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2758 [21:39:43] <Guest25444> It thinks there is no TLS 1.2 support! 0_o
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2762 [21:40:57] <simbalion> mutante: I understand, however this customer has some old joomla sites that only work in 5.4.
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2768 [21:43:13] <mutante> simbalion: maybe tell him to sign a document that he was aware of your warning about security vulnerabilites, so he cant blame you later
2769 [21:43:30] <jim> !listvals ##linux
2770 [21:43:32] <dpkg> Factoid search of '##linux' by value (1): frankendebian.
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2785 [21:49:18] <simbalion> mutante: I'm not worried about that, he understands the risks.. I'm just not sure how to install php5.4 for him... do I install from source? I've never done that in Debian and I'm afraid it might be a nightmare.
2786 [21:49:37] <simbalion> I see how I can install 5.6 from a special repo but these two websites will throw errors.
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2788 [21:49:55] <simbalion> I may just have to tell him it can't be done
2789 [21:50:00] <mutante> simbalion: you would add an additional repository to the sources list for APT
2790 [21:50:05] <mutante> and then use apt-get
2791 [21:50:07] <mutante> or aptitude
2792 [21:50:09] <Azrael_-> simbalion: better upgrade the websites
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2794 [21:50:30] <simbalion> Azrael_-: yeah but they're joomla 1 and uprading is a huge deal and apparently their owners can't afford it presently.
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2796 [21:50:59] <mutante> if they insist on using Joomla and cant afford upgrading it..that means they cant afford running the website.. kind of
2797 [21:51:01] <Azrael_-> simbalion: i know the pain. then try to isolate them as good as possible as they are an attack-point
2798 [21:51:03] <simbalion> mutante: there's a repo with 5.4? or are you referring to jessie?
2799 [21:51:24] <simbalion> mutante: I agree but I'm not in the business of passing judgement on my customers :)
2800 [21:51:42] <mutante> simbalion: are you sure they will be able to pay you though?
2801 [21:51:43] <simbalion> I'm willing to tell the guy it can't be done, however if it can be done then I should go the extra mile probably
2802 [21:52:04] <simbalion> mutante: My customer will, the website owners are his customers
2803 [21:52:16] <Thedarkb> simbalion, make install
2804 [21:52:21] <mutante> simbalion: i dont know if there is one, you may have to downgrade to jessie, i'd hate suggesting that though
2805 [21:52:27] <Thedarkb> Install deps if necessary.
2806 [21:52:32] <Thedarkb> When's Jessie losing support?
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2808 [21:52:39] <Azrael_-> simbalion: everything can be done, it is always just a matter of effort. if everything fails you can build+install any old version you want. building and getting it to work could get difficult
2809 [21:53:18] <Thedarkb> I tried building Quake from the original sources.
2810 [21:53:25] <Thedarkb> Much tweaking was in order.
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2812 [21:53:36] <simbalion> definitely not going to downgrade to jessie... ugh
2813 [21:53:57] <mutante> well then yea,, compile from source or .. find a 5.4 deb and dpkg -i it and knock on wood
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2817 [21:54:35] <Azrael_-> simbalion: jessie? come on, fall back to squeeze, there you get 5.3.3 for free
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2819 [21:54:54] <simbalion> I think I will tell him no.
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2821 [21:55:12] <simbalion> thanks for the help guys :)
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2827 [21:57:28] <nmschulte> How do I use Vagrant on Debian? I have installed `vagrant` package, and issuing `vagrant up` commands in turn causes sudo to prompt me for password. I'd like to avoid this, and initial signs show that there is a `vagrant` group I can leverage. Is this so on Debian?
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2851 [22:08:59] <jhutchins_wk> nmschulte: Bringing up a service on a system is typically done as root.
2852 [22:09:21] <jhutchins_wk> nmschulte: You can configure sudo to allow certain or all commands without a password.
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2903 [22:37:18] <trumpyr> brazilians?
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2906 [22:38:02] <savage> Hello People
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2908 [22:38:38] <annadane> !br
2909 [22:38:38] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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2920 [22:44:36] <RoyK> trumpyr: replaced-url
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2922 [22:46:39] <trumpyr> @dpkg @royk ty
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2925 [22:47:42] <RoyK> trumpyr: dpkg is bot ;)
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2948 [22:59:51] <Guest25444> I can't clone Github on Debian Jessie. when i try to clone i get an error 'gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated.'
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2950 [23:01:59] <dkmdh> Guest25444, can you hand over the url to me pls?
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2955 [23:03:22] <Guest25444> dkmdh, replaced-url
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2957 [23:03:33] <Guest25444> or any github.com link for that matter
2958 [23:04:00] <Guest25444> gnutls can't connect to it. I can't figure out why
2959 [23:04:05] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: Yeah, that's a discrepancy between jessie's git's TLS and github's.
2960 [23:04:29] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: I have no idea how you would go about fixing what version of TLS git uses, but that's what's needed.
2961 [23:04:32] <jhutchins_wk> ,v git
2962 [23:04:33] <judd> Package: git on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy6; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1:2.11.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1:2.14.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.17.0-1; sid: 1:2.17.0-1; experimental:
2963 [23:04:34] <judd> 1:2.17.0+next.20180420-1
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2965 [23:05:19] <Guest25444> jhutchins_wk, so i need a newer or older version of gnutls?
2966 [23:05:24] <dkmdh> Guest25444: did you consider using stable and not jessie?
2967 [23:05:33] <jhutchins_wk> ,v gnutls
2968 [23:05:34] <judd> No package named 'gnutls' was found in amd64.
2969 [23:05:52] <jhutchins_wk> dkmdh: Possibly just the newer version of git.
2970 [23:06:10] <Guest25444> dkmdh, yeah but i needed jessie for an application
2971 [23:06:13] <dkmdh> git clone git?
2972 [23:06:26] <dkmdh> for what apllication, if i may ask?
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2974 [23:07:09] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: Possibly the backports version might fix it. You could try for more verbose output, you could look in to how git calls gnutls and if you can specify tls options.
2975 [23:07:37] <Guest25444> jhutchins_wk, how do i install the backports version?
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2978 [23:08:55] <jhutchins_wk> ,v libcurl3-gnutls
2979 [23:08:56] <judd> Package: libcurl3-gnutls on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy25; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u8; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.38.0-4+deb8u10; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u10; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u4; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.52.1-5+deb9u5; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u5; buster: 7.58.0-2; sid: 7.58.0-2; experimental: 7.58.0-3
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2987 [23:10:46] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: THere are multiple possible issues, you should try pasting the error into google, but make sure you understand what you're doing if you follow something you find there. Keep track of your steps and take notes.
2988 [23:10:55] <jhutchins_wk> !backports
2989 [23:10:55] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
2990 [23:11:56] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: A real simple solution is to try http instead of https - https doesn't offer any real advantage for file transfer.
2991 [23:12:28] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: You might need to check your .gitconfig to see what protocol's set there.
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2994 [23:13:15] <awal1> synclient TapButton1=1
2995 [23:13:20] <awal1> oups
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2997 [23:13:44] <Guest25444> jhutchins_wk, github just redirects to https
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3002 [23:15:22] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: Clone it on a newer box and copy it over; download the zip from the git web page, or try google as above. Lots of possibilities. #git
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3005 [23:17:03] <Guest25444> jhutchins_wk, i webscript is going to require a working git
3006 [23:17:16] <Guest25444> so zip files is only a temporary solution
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3011 [23:19:09] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: Then you're going to have to figure out if the actual problem is the TLS cypher, a bad certificate, a bug in gnutls, or something else.
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3014 [23:22:57] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: I think I'd start with running git-clone with the -v (verbose) option.
3015 [23:23:08] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: You can also try pulling the clone of ssh instead of http.
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3018 [23:24:27] <Guest25444> is there anonymous github ssh access?
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3021 [23:24:53] <Guest25444> or do you have to give make an account and give set a pubkey
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3023 [23:25:06] <Guest25444> anyways, thanks you for trying jhutchins_wk
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3025 [23:26:28] <jhutchins_wk> Guest25444: From the docs on the homepage: git clone git@github.com:librenms/librenms.git librenms <- clone over ssh. Problem solved.
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