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• 58[00:36:03] <booyah> there is a critical bug in lvm tools
• 59[00:36:21] <booyah> it's not clear whether they are using god damn 1000 or 1024 "kilo" bytes
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• 61[00:36:55] <booyah> other then idiot author of resize2fs stating proudly in man that he competly wrongly uses kilobytes as 1024 bytes
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• 63[00:37:32] <booyah> how to know to what size I can in safe way reduce /home ?
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• 66[00:39:37] <blaztek> booyah: K is kilobyte, k is kilibyte
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• 68[00:41:43] <booyah> blaztek: when giving arguments to lvreduce ?
• 69[00:41:52] <blaztek> but lvcreate - it doesn't matter... - yes...critical bug.....
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• 71[00:42:29] <booyah> blaztek: is that written in the manual of lvresize? don't see it
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• 75[00:45:40] <blaztek> booyah: no, it isn't....lvresize doesn't say if it's ignoring case or not....other than the default is megabytes...assuming it means 1000....
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• 77[00:45:49] <booyah> omfg
• 78[00:46:29] <booyah> I would hope all morons were already moved into systemd and basic FS admin tools would be solid
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• 80[00:46:52] <blaztek> booyah: ...for lvresize, it uses lowercase for megabytes, kilobytes.... for lvcreate is uses uppercase for the EXACT same thing!
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• 85[00:49:57] <nvzn> top
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• 99[01:02:05] <blaztek> booyah: the source code says that for lvm input units, everything is multiples of 1024...for output units, capitalization matters
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• 116[01:11:00] <booyah> blaztek: we should start gasing developers who don't clearly write G (1000) at least in man page
• 117[01:11:11] <booyah> or GiB (1024^3) etc
• 118[01:11:39] <blaztek> agreed
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• 120[01:11:57] <booyah> after that initial retarded decision to call 1024 a "Kilo" for some reason, it will never fully go away meh
• 121[01:12:10] <booyah> little mistake 30? years ago, consequences till today for everyopne
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• 123[01:14:07] <blaztek> true
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• 125[01:14:29] <blaztek> booyah: way too many FIXMEs in the source code...
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• 127[01:16:30] <booyah> it's like 1960s. thanks, IBM
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• 165[01:48:06] <Nautilus> I have a Thinkpad x230 and I think I have the non-free wifi drivers installed, but can't get it to come UP. Any tips?
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• 168[01:50:55] <Nautilus> "ip up wlp3s0 up" -> Object "wlp3s0" is unknown.
• 169[01:51:20] <Nautilus> i meant "ip wlp3s0 up" as the command
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• 181[01:59:59] <sifiwlhjf> what does this do: sudo mv /bin /dev/null
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• 186[02:01:12] <ryouma> sifiwlhjf: you can try it with something you don't care about
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• 188[02:01:19] <ryouma> note: you care about /bin
• 189[02:01:21] <ryouma> should*
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• 191[02:01:40] <sifiwlhjf> ryouma: why?
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• 193[02:01:47] <ryouma> holds programs
• 194[02:01:50] <sifiwlhjf> isnt it the garbage bin or something?
• 195[02:01:51] <sifiwlhjf> oh
• 196[02:01:56] <sifiwlhjf> odd name for ot
• 197[02:01:56] <ryouma> nope :)
• 198[02:01:57] <sifiwlhjf> *it
• 199[02:02:00] <ryouma> binary
• 200[02:02:18] <sifiwlhjf> okay cool
• 201[02:02:31] <sifiwlhjf> so what does this command do to it?
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• 203[02:02:37] <sifiwlhjf> move it somewhere it doesnt belong?
• 204[02:02:37] <ryouma> probably errors
• 205[02:03:02] <ryouma> right., your computer will break.
• 206[02:03:07] <ryouma> (if it works)
• 207[02:03:36] <sifiwlhjf> so is mv a program in /bin
• 208[02:03:56] <sifiwlhjf> so i won't be able to move it back, like this: sudo mv /dev/null/bin /
• 209[02:04:06] <sifiwlhjf> if i ran that command after?
• 210[02:04:35] <ryouma> dev null is special
• 211[02:04:37] <Nautilus> /dev/null is kind of a black hole.
• 212[02:04:38] <ryouma> it's a device
• 213[02:04:55] <ryouma> mv might be in /usr/bin
• 214[02:05:14] <sifiwlhjf> ih
• 215[02:05:15] <sifiwlhjf> oh
• 216[02:05:17] <ryouma> nah it is in bin
• 217[02:05:31] <ryouma> (in jessie at least)
• 218[02:05:40] <sifiwlhjf> so in other words the person who told me on reddit to run this command just told me to delete all my programs
• 219[02:05:41] <ryouma> there might be an effort to merge usr bin and bin in the future
• 220[02:05:54] <ryouma> sifiwlhjf: sort of
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• 222[02:06:33] <ryouma> dev null is a colloquialism
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• 226[02:08:31] <sifiwlhjf> so how do i get my programs back then?
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• 232[02:10:29] <bug> you don't. if you moved them to /dev/null you deleted them.
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• 235[02:12:21] <bug> if you have a backup you can restore /bin from that.
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• 253[02:21:26] <ramdom_> i am using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but after change and use service keyboard-setup restart and use udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
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• 256[02:21:49] <agio> Nautilus: did you get your wifi up?
• 257[02:21:52] <ramdom_> but still same configuration
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• 259[02:22:34] <agio> ramdom_: did you try reboot?
• 260[02:22:40] <ramdom_> some times take config some times don't
• 261[02:22:44] <Nautilus> agio: one moment
• 262[02:22:55] <ryouma> mv queries
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• 274[02:26:36] <Nautilus> agio: no luck. I think the drivers are installed but "ip a" shows it as DOWN, and I'm stuck there
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• 276[02:28:28] <agio> Nautilus: did you check syslog for for firmware errors for your wifi adapter?
• 277[02:29:05] <Nautilus> where's that at?
• 278[02:29:20] <agio> /var/log/syslog
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• 280[02:30:12] <agio> Nautilus: this might be a bit easier for you. cant you try this command:
• 281[02:30:18] <agio> sudo iwlist s
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• 284[02:30:47] <agio> that scans for available networks
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• 286[02:30:53] <Nautilus> ok...
• 287[02:31:12] <agio> if your iface is up - youll get a huge list
• 288[02:31:16] <Nautilus> wlp3s0 Interface doesn't support scanning. : Network is down
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• 290[02:31:48] <Nautilus> my working wired connection just says: Interface doesn't support scanning
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• 293[02:32:29] <agio> Nautilus: well yeah, you cant scan wifi (radio) with a cable network adapter
• 294[02:32:40] <Nautilus> ah gotcha
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• 296[02:33:10] <agio> whats your wifi device id?
• 297[02:33:21] <Nautilus> wlp3s0 ?
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• 300[02:33:46] <agio> cool. you should be able to bring wifi up with:
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• 302[02:34:15] <agio> sudo ip link set wlp3s0 up
• 303[02:34:39] <agio> then try the scan command again - if no errors bring adapter up
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• 305[02:35:23] <agio> s/bring/bringing/
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• 307[02:35:38] <Nautilus> LOTS of text and the wifi light is on!
• 308[02:36:01] <agio> nice :)
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• 310[02:36:38] <Nautilus> I see my router SSID in the text, but no list of wireless networks in Wicd
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• 314[02:37:41] <agio> yeah you need to associate to your essid/AP
• 315[02:38:18] <agio> sudo iwconfig wl3s0 essid <YOUR SSID>
• 316[02:38:38] <agio> I think thats correct command
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• 318[02:40:14] <Nautilus> Under Cell 06 I see ESSID:"basement5"
• 319[02:40:23] <Nautilus> command didnt seem to do anything (no error even)
• 320[02:40:36] <agio> thats good
• 321[02:40:56] <agio> now you need an ip address
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• 324[02:41:33] <agio> if you try surf the web it doest work yet, right?
• 325[02:42:05] <Nautilus> wicd says "no wireless networks found" but let me unplug wire and try browsing
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• 329[02:42:58] <Nautilus> no browsing
• 330[02:43:15] <agio> as i expected, so try:
• 331[02:43:34] <agio> sudo dhclient -v
• 332[02:43:40] <agio> or
• 333[02:43:49] <agio> sudo dhclient -v wlp3s0
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• 337[02:47:02] <Nautilus> No DHCPOFFERS received, then, No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
• 338[02:47:12] <Nautilus> it was hitting 255.255.255.255
• 339[02:47:25] <agio> damn - was afraid of that...
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• 341[02:47:47] <Nautilus> soooo close here
• 342[02:48:53] <agio> well at least you know your drivers and firmware works
• 343[02:49:10] <Nautilus> and the led is on finally
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• 347[02:50:19] <agio> so now you need a software that can orchestrate your network subsystem
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• 351[02:52:27] <Nautilus> any pointers there?
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• 354[02:54:55] <jonathanchang> hey, folks
• 355[02:55:30] <agio> Nautilus: I would try releasing your current dchp lease
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• 359[02:58:02] <Nautilus> i dont have ipconfig, is that in "ip" now?
• 360[02:58:41] <agio> Nautilus: do you have `ifconfig'?
• 361[02:59:32] <Nautilus> ahyea with 2 entries...
• 362[02:59:46] <Nautilus> wlp3s0 and wlp3s0:avahi
• 363[03:00:22] <agio> you can also try:
• 364[03:00:42] <agio> sudo cat /var/lib/dhcp/leases
• 365[03:01:16] <agio> if that has some output - its prob your current ip.
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• 367[03:01:53] <agio> __for_the_wlp3s0__ adapter - not your wifi
• 368[03:02:13] <agio> i meant "not your wireless"
• 369[03:02:52] <Nautilus> 192.168.50.13 - yup thats my router
• 370[03:03:33] <Nautilus> it's in dhclient.leases
• 371[03:04:13] <agio> yeah, thats the file. so I'm thinking we want to re-generate that...
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• 374[03:04:41] <Nautilus> you going to be around in 20 minutes or so? Need to do a store run
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• 376[03:05:39] <agio> yeah, I should be . anywat I think the command is `sudo dhclient -r -v' - then re-run 'sudo dhclient -v' and your wifi and internet hopefully should be working
• 377[03:05:58] <Nautilus> let me try now
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• 379[03:06:07] <agio> to release, then recreate your ip address lease
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• 381[03:07:43] <Nautilus> DHCPDISCOVERs running
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• 383[03:08:06] <Nautilus> no DHCPOFFERS received
• 384[03:08:32] <agio> damn.
• 385[03:08:56] <Nautilus> iwlist shows SSIDs of mine and neighbors
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• 388[03:09:33] <agio> you're associated to your AP too right?
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• 390[03:09:44] <Nautilus> agio: making my store run, thanks so much!
• 391[03:09:53] <Nautilus> not sure, but I have to do this run
• 392[03:10:00] <agio> Nautilus: cool, cya
• 393[03:10:19] <Nautilus> i can't imagine I could be any closer to having this work
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• 398[03:12:49] <Kevlar_Noir> hello
• 399[03:13:47] <Kevlar_Noir> I have troubles with nouveau / compton. My question is simple, is there a way to install nvidia proprietary driver on the RT kernel ?
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• 404[03:15:08] <Kevlar_Noir> ah there's even an channel dedicated to multimedia cool
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• 406[03:15:54] <dvs> Nautilus, you have wireless?
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• 408[03:19:38] <agio> dvs: Nautilus has gone to shop. prob to get donuts, and sushi and redbull is my guess
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• 410[03:21:30] <Kevlar_Noir> well, I'm go for building myself an rt kernel
• 411[03:21:34] <Kevlar_Noir> going
• 412[03:21:46] <Kevlar_Noir> argh, you understood
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• 414[03:22:32] <dvs> agio, heh
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• 419[03:25:13] <Nautilus> smokes and a drink ;)
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• 422[03:26:28] <Nautilus> dvs: seems close
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• 429[03:31:21] <Nautilus> I rebooted, and just one command gets the wifi indicator to turn on: sudo ip link set wlp3s0 up
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• 431[03:32:29] <Nautilus> then "iwlist s" shows the Cell's and my SSIDs in ESSID
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• 433[03:33:45] <Nautilus> don't see an associated IP this time (wired unplugged at reboot)
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• 435[03:34:40] <dvs> Boo!
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• 437[03:34:53] <dvs> Yay!
• 438[03:34:58] <Nautilus> heh
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• 441[03:35:44] <Nautilus> wicd doesnt see any wireless networks
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• 443[03:36:42] <dvs> as long as iwlist can, the hardware works.
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• 448[03:38:36] <Nautilus> dvs: yea just missing... something
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• 454[03:39:12] <agio> Nautilus: can you pastebin output of iwconfig?
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• 457[03:40:28] <Nautilus> pastebin.com ?
• 458[03:40:40] <dvs> paste.debian.net
• 459[03:40:50] <agio> sudo iwconfig wlp3s0 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 461[03:45:05] <Nautilus> paste.debian.net/1022266
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• 464[03:47:05] <agio> you're not connected to your AP
• 465[03:47:40] <agio> you need to re-run: iwconfig wlp3s0 essid <your AP>
• 466[03:47:49] <Nautilus> yea, cant see any in Wicd and have yet to put in a key
• 467[03:48:09] <agio> oh - what?
• 468[03:48:10] <Nautilus> <your AP> as in the SSID?
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• 471[03:48:29] <dirac1> How i set the Compose key?
• 472[03:48:34] <agio> I should have realised
• 473[03:48:39] <Nautilus> have not actually tried to connect yet, just been able to get the interface UP
• 474[03:48:47] <agio> you need wpa_supplicant
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• 476[03:49:36] <agio> one way is to create a credential file with the password in it
• 477[03:49:55] <agio> but you wont want to do that as a long term solution
• 478[03:50:30] <Nautilus> yea, idea is to be portable
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• 480[03:51:13] <karlpinc> dirac1: Isn't the compose key usually the Alt key (which is also the meta key)? I forget.
• 481[03:51:24] <dirac1> karlpinc, not working for me
• 482[03:51:24] <Nautilus> so ... apt-get wpa_supplicant ?
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• 484[03:52:10] <karlpinc> dirac1: Drat. I don't have time to go read the instructions. Sorry.
• 485[03:52:11] <Nautilus> erm, apt-get install wpa_supplicant ?
• 486[03:53:14] <agio> Nautilus: do you have it already - its probably already a running service, try:
• 487[03:53:27] <agio> pgrep -a wpa
• 488[03:54:02] <Nautilus> no output from that command
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• 490[03:54:33] <agio> what about `which wpa_supplicant' ?
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• 493[03:55:21] <Nautilus> /sbin/wpa_supplicant
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• 495[03:56:27] <agio> you can make a credentials file with this:
• 496[03:56:31] <agio> wpa_passphrase <SSID> <PASSPHRASE> > /tmp/wpa.conf
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• 500[03:57:34] <Nautilus> Use ` around a passphrase with spaces?\
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• 502[03:58:05] <agio> type as Ive writte,
• 503[03:58:20] <agio> just replace the bits inside <..>
• 504[03:58:50] <Nautilus> oh ok
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• 506[03:59:07] <agio> you should end up with snippet of text in file: /tmp/wpa.conf
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• 509[04:00:29] <Nautilus> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `<'
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• 511[04:01:02] <agio> no. dont use the <'s in your command
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• 514[04:01:39] <Nautilus> so: wpa_passphrase myssid My pass Phrase > /tmp/wpa.conf
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• 517[04:02:28] <agio> does your AP's essid have spaces in it?
• 518[04:02:45] <Nautilus> the key does
• 519[04:03:09] <agio> then you'll have to quote it
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• 521[04:03:16] <Nautilus> " ?
• 522[04:03:21] <agio> '
• 523[04:03:23] <Nautilus> ok
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• 525[04:03:47] <Nautilus> and the contents of wpa.conf look good
• 526[04:04:10] <agio> sweet, ok to connect using those creds use:
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• 529[04:05:03] <agio> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlp3s0 -c /tmp/wpa.conf
• 530[04:05:17] <agio> pretty complicated huh? lol
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• 532[04:05:33] <Nautilus> a real joy ;)
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• 534[04:06:06] <agio> hows the output look?
• 535[04:07:00] <Nautilus> CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED
• 536[04:07:07] <dvs> iwconfig??
• 537[04:07:28] <Nautilus> and router shows my .13 as wireless
• 538[04:07:51] <Nautilus> last command has not returned to prompt
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• 540[04:08:11] <Nautilus> ctrl-c it?
• 541[04:08:23] <agio> it wont you just started a daemon - no dont kill it
• 542[04:08:43] <agio> one last command...
• 543[04:09:04] <agio> dhclient -v wlp3s0
• 544[04:09:23] <Nautilus> so open another cmd window?
• 545[04:09:30] <agio> yes, in a new terminal
• 546[04:09:31] <Nautilus> have a paste coming up
• 547[04:09:50] <Nautilus> paste.debian.net/1022267
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• 550[04:11:02] <agio> paste. looks ok-ish, you on the internet yet?
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• 552[04:11:16] <Nautilus> let me try
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• 554[04:12:44] <Nautilus> bound to 192.168.50.10 !
• 555[04:13:02] <Nautilus> online yeppers!
• 556[04:13:13] <agio> woo! nice :)
• 557[04:13:27] <Nautilus> oh man, nice of you guys to help!
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• 559[04:13:48] <agio> no prob
• 560[04:14:31] <agio> you prob want to look into software to manage your portability:
• 561[04:14:32] <dvs> Nautilus, so now do replaced-url
• 562[04:14:40] <Nautilus> I think these would be the steps to recreate it... replaced-url
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• 564[04:17:00] <Nautilus> dvs: well the goal would be to get it more automatic, for portability (Wicd still shows no networks)
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• 567[04:17:28] <dvs> Nautilus, automatic? how? Those steps will enable wireless every time you start the computer.
• 568[04:17:46] <Nautilus> but only if I stay within range of this AP, right?
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• 571[04:18:19] <dvs> right
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• 574[04:19:22] <Nautilus> the purpose is to be able to go someplace else and connect to their AP
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• 577[04:19:57] <dvs> Nautilus, automatically pick up another AP?
• 578[04:20:11] <agio> dvs: do you know what the systemd service is that will start and read those WPA configs you linked to?
• 579[04:20:20] <Nautilus> yea, scan availables, select and enter key
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• 584[04:20:53] <dvs> agio, nope
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• 586[04:21:20] <agio> Nautilus: replaced-url
• 587[04:21:32] <dvs> seconded
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• 589[04:22:30] <Nautilus> arg
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• 591[04:22:56] <Nautilus> So this is like a Wicd replacement?
• 592[04:23:08] <dvs> Nautilus, it's an alternative
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• 594[04:23:44] <Nautilus> maybe thats been the problem all along
• 595[04:24:20] <Nautilus> do I need to get rid of Wicd first? Sure don't need it in the taskbar if it doesnt work
• 596[04:24:25] <dvs> yes
• 597[04:25:03] <Nautilus> apt-get remove wicd ?
• 598[04:25:28] <dvs> apt-get remove --purge wicd
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• 600[04:26:04] <Nautilus> so from where I'm at I'll do that and reboot then go back to wired and apt-get network-manager ?
• 601[04:26:22] <dvs> you dont have to reboot
• 602[04:26:54] <Nautilus> ok, lets see what happens, will try it over wifi
• 603[04:27:13] <dvs> Nautilus, install first!!!!!
• 604[04:28:19] <Nautilus> oh
• 605[04:28:32] <Nautilus> well i did the --purge, its still showing in taskbar though
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• 607[04:29:37] <Nautilus> installing
• 608[04:30:06] <dvs> Nautilus, apt-get remove --purge wicd-daemon ?
• 609[04:30:53] <Nautilus> ok gonna try that
• 610[04:31:15] <Nautilus> so I did the network-manager install, anything else before the daemon purge?
• 611[04:31:35] <dvs> nope
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• 613[04:31:41] <Nautilus> ok
• 614[04:32:29] <Nautilus> that and -gtk
• 615[04:32:38] <dvs> yes
• 616[04:33:50] <Nautilus> so that seems good, U still in taskbar but not sure time to reboot yet ;) Looks like I need a network-manager UI
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• 618[04:34:06] <agio> nmtui
• 619[04:34:22] <Nautilus> apt-get install nmtui ?
• 620[04:35:13] <agio> think it should come with network-manager package
• 621[04:35:13] <dvs> ,v nmtui
• 622[04:35:14] <judd> No package named 'nmtui' was found in amd64.
• 623[04:35:19] <dvs> no such package
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• 625[04:35:31] <dvs> there is a network-manager-gnome though
• 626[04:35:46] <thorie> hi, i am running debian wheezy ... how can I upgrade this?
• 627[04:36:18] <Nautilus> for network-manager-gnome, that works with LXDE
• 628[04:36:28] <dvs> !tell thorie about release notes
• 629[04:36:41] <Nautilus> oops, dropped my "?"
• 630[04:36:44] <agio> nmtui, or nmcli works with any DE
• 631[04:37:28] <Nautilus> reboot and see if wicd icon is gone and see where I'm at?
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• 633[04:37:59] <dvs> sure
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• 637[04:41:45] <Nautilus> wicd icon gone, wifi LED is on but didn't auto connect (makes sense, wpa.conf is gone)
• 638[04:42:36] <Nautilus> found nmtui
• 639[04:43:46] <Nautilus> select SSID and type key, viola !!!!
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• 643[04:44:45] <agio> Nautilus: what command did you run ? nmtui?
• 644[04:45:09] <Nautilus> yep just from cmd line
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• 647[04:47:43] <karlpinc> thorie: You can only upgrade from one debian release to the next, so be sure to see the release notes for jessie, debian 8! Then you can follow the stretch release notes to upgrade from jessie to stretch.
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• 649[04:49:26] <karlpinc> thorie: The bot also has factoids to help (Type in this channel "/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie"). But always good to read the release notes.
• 650[04:52:41] <Nautilus> sweeeeet! It auto-connects after a reboot, and my Fn key to enable/disable wifi works now too.
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• 652[04:54:34] * karlpinc is always made cranky by network manager. wicd has always worked better. But then I don't do a lot of wifi.
• 653[04:55:33] <dvs> Nautilus, mission accomplished!
• 654[04:55:38] <Nautilus> ty ty!
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• 656[04:56:12] <Nautilus> going into the evening i figured it wasn't going to happen
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• 706[06:04:33] <Cosmic> What is the IRC in freenode for Cyber Security
• 707[06:04:49] <Cosmic> also why does Freenode ban people for using a Tor Exit Node to connect
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• 737[06:27:48] <eddb> Hi I'm having problems with the Debian installer, seems like my network card isnt supported by the install image, or live image.
• 738[06:28:25] <eddb> I tried a bit and installed gentoo which uses intel e1000e driver
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• 740[06:28:42] <eddb> lspci ouput relevent to the ethernet hw: replaced-url
• 741[06:28:43] <eddb> er
• 742[06:28:52] <eddb> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (7) I219-V (rev 10)
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• 745[06:29:20] <eddb> How can i help debian make the installer work with my hardware?
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• 943[08:51:28] <Aebian> greetings, can someone help me with a color issue I have? at work it looks like this: replaced-url
• 944[08:51:53] <Aebian> the terminal is the same on all devices (its debian, wsl but still debian)
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• 961[09:04:04] <Aebian> ah nvm found the issue. Terminal settings are broke
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• 1038[09:48:01] <Gardnet> I just installed debian9 and when i tried to update i got this error... replaced-url
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• 1048[09:51:56] <pila23> hello, i compiled a package from source myself and want to use it on another machine, but when i copy the binary and execute it i get the error "error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.55.0: cannot open shared object file". even thou libboost is installed in 1.55 :/
• 1049[09:52:11] <pila23> does it need a local file in the folder? and where do i get that files? there was nothing in my release folder like that
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• 1063[09:59:12] <pila23> can anyone help?
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• 1070[10:01:17] <Lux_> Maybe look at the output of the ldd command. `ldd <binary>`
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• 1074[10:06:25] <jelly> judd: file libboost_system.so.1.55.0
• 1075[10:06:30] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1076[10:06:59] <Gardnet> i provided the pass for sudo, why is it askimg me this? replaced-url
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• 1078[10:07:04] <jelly> ,v libboost-system1.55.0
• 1079[10:07:06] <judd> Package: libboost-system1.55.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.55.0+dfsg-3
• 1080[10:07:49] <jelly> pila23: make sure your destination system is debian 8 (jessie) as well and that ^ package is installed
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• 1091[10:13:17] <pila23> @jelly and when i compile on ubuntu 14 and want to use it on debian 9 for example?
• 1092[10:14:17] <jelly> pila23: that's not how boost libs work. make a debian 9 chroot and build in that.
• 1093[10:14:35] <pila23> mhh
• 1094[10:14:52] <pila23> so when i want to provide the binary for alll distros i have to setup each distro and compile the package for each?
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• 1096[10:15:02] <pila23> but how do these universal linux binaries work?
• 1097[10:15:05] <jelly> or ship your own boost libs.
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• 1099[10:15:17] <pila23> how can i do this?
• 1100[10:15:18] <Lux_> statically compile the binary?
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• 1102[10:15:52] <jelly> what universal linux binaries? There are different approaches.
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• 1104[10:16:28] <pila23> sometimes there is a software that just says "linux" for download os, it would work on ubuntu and debian for example
• 1105[10:16:35] <pila23> i dont have to pick my exact distro
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• 1108[10:16:59] <Unit193> They bundle, which is a *great* idea when they ship openssl too...
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• 1110[10:17:21] <jelly> either they don't use boost, or they link it statically, or they ship the libs together with the executable and provide a wrapper that sets up LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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• 1113[10:17:34] <pila23> mhh
• 1114[10:17:34] <Unit193> flatpak and snaps are the latest way for content creators to ship directly to users.
• 1115[10:17:43] <pila23> i have never done this, but how can i ship the libraries?
• 1116[10:17:46] <jelly> there's snap, appimage, flatpak, ...
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• 1118[10:17:57] <pila23> i installed libboost-all-dev on the new system but it doesnt work
• 1119[10:17:58] <jelly> pila23: how do you ship the executable? Same thing
• 1120[10:18:06] <pila23> just copy the executable binary
• 1121[10:18:14] <jelly> so just copy the libs it needs
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• 1123[10:18:19] <pila23> i scp it from host1 to host 2
• 1124[10:18:36] <jelly> put them in a separate directory, and set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH
• 1125[10:19:42] <jelly> or learn one of the "portable" systems mentioned above and build according to that
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• 1127[10:19:58] <Lux_> you can use the `gcc -static` command too?
• 1128[10:20:18] <jelly> boost is C++
• 1129[10:20:54] <pila23> my release folder does not include libboost
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• 1131[10:21:00] <pila23> it only includes some lib*.a files
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• 1133[10:21:12] <pila23> and when i scp the whole release folder over to another machine it wont work either
• 1134[10:22:02] <jelly> "copy the libs it needs"
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• 1136[10:22:27] <jelly> they might not be in your release folder, but elsewhere
• 1137[10:22:39] <pila23> mhh i will search them...
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• 1139[10:23:04] <jelly> ldd is your friend
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• 1145[10:25:15] <pila23> jelly: ok it gives me an output of about 10 libs, should i just copy them with the binary in a folder
• 1146[10:25:15] <pila23> ?
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• 1151[10:28:05] <jelly> pila23: best to use a different subfolder.
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• 1155[10:28:23] <pila23> and then, how can i tell the binary where these file are?
• 1156[10:28:29] <jelly> man ld.so
• 1157[10:28:35] <jelly> read about LD_LIBRARY_PATH
• 1158[10:29:09] <jelly> basicaly you run your app with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/where/the/libs/are
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• 1161[10:29:25] <Gardnet> just installed debian9 , how do i enable wifi?
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• 1164[10:31:08] <at0m> Gardnet: go here to get you started replaced-url
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• 1166[10:33:29] <Gardnet> at0m: I have Intel PRO wireless 3945ABG driver and should be included by default in debian, module loads fine. yet no wifi
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• 1176[10:38:29] <jelly> pila23: copy just the ones that are not present on the destination system
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• 1178[10:39:12] <pila23> yeah that doesnt work either
• 1179[10:39:20] <pila23> i copied them and put them in the same folder as executable as test
• 1180[10:39:32] <pila23> but i got it working with downloading "replaced-url
• 1181[10:39:50] <pila23> would that be a reasonable way to distribute, i could write to download this pkg and install before using the software?
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• 1183[10:40:01] <Gardnet> at0m: ?
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• 1187[10:41:24] <jelly> pila23: if you have control of the destination systems, sure. If you're going to distribute to lots of people, telling them to install some random package from an old debian release is silly
• 1188[10:41:32] <pila23> mhh
• 1189[10:41:43] <pila23> ok then maybe i should include the libs...
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• 1191[10:41:57] <pila23> so i have my executable and all the missing libs according to ldd in one folder
• 1192[10:42:05] <pila23> but when i execute it still says not found
• 1193[10:42:16] <jelly> how do you execute?
• 1194[10:42:21] <pila23> ./myfile
• 1195[10:42:34] <jelly> can ldd ./myfile on the destination system find the libs?
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• 1198[10:43:31] <pila23> mhh
• 1199[10:43:38] <pila23> i first have to reverse the state
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• 1201[10:43:45] <pila23> i need to uninstall the manually installed package to test it
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• 1205[10:46:08] <pila23> okay jelly i removed everything and ldding my executable says not found
• 1206[10:46:40] <pila23> i have the 3 missing libs in my folder with my executable, but still not found.
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• 1208[10:46:52] <jelly> pila23: that usually means you did not set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH properly
• 1209[10:46:59] <pila23> yeah
• 1210[10:47:11] <pila23> i manually copied them to /usr/local/lib and it worked
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• 1221[10:51:07] <jelly> pila23: that's worse than installing an old package. write a shell script wrapper that figures out the directory your app is installed in, figures out the directory for extra libs, sets up LD_LIBRARY_PATH and calls the app
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• 1225[10:52:06] <jelly> and then you reinvented how most vendors do it before they adopt one of the more sane formats
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• 1231[10:54:24] <Gardnet> Im having a hard time enabling wireless on my newly installed debian9, anyone here with patience?
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• 1234[10:55:29] <jelly> Gardnet: make sure firmware-iwlwifi package is installed. driver is present in debian by default but firmware is not shipped.
• 1235[10:56:12] <pila23> jelly: so use something like: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$(pwd)/libs
• 1236[10:56:13] <pila23> ?
• 1237[10:56:17] <jelly> dpkg, tell Gardnet about non-free sources
• 1238[10:56:33] <jelly> pila23: something like that but $(pwd) sounds like a bad idea
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• 1244[10:58:12] <jelly> dpkg, tell Gardnet about iwlegacy
• 1245[10:58:37] <pila23> jelly: what would be a better approach to get current dir?
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• 1250[11:00:28] <jelly> pila23: better approach would be "don't change current dir to run an app"
• 1251[11:01:17] <pila23> no i mean, i want to export my library folder to ld path variable, so i need to get current folder+ /lib and export it to the variable
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• 1255[11:02:23] <pila23> i ship my executable + folder libs with the 3 missing libs, then i will execute a "setup" script that will extend ld path
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• 1258[11:03:52] <Gardnet> jelly: it worked. thx!!!
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• 1266[11:09:48] <pila23> jelly: i now got a startup script that extends ld path variable with current dir + lib/ and then starts the program and it works, without startup script it won't work. so thats a good solution now?
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• 1347[12:02:03] <dracc> My google fu is weak. How do I enable Force Feedback in (steam) games? It works with fftest. Controller is a Xbox Duke if that matters.
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• 1366[12:13:06] <brokencycle> Hi folks! I'm on stretch and have the following problem: ssh user@host works fine. mosh user@host says "REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION CHANGED".
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• 1369[12:13:44] <brokencycle> (same user, same host, of course)
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• 1380[12:19:18] <Aebian> did I miss something? replaced-url
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• 1388[12:22:27] <dracc> brokencycle, stackoverflow says that "ssh-keygen -R <host>" might save you.
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• 1390[12:23:43] <dracc> Aebian, What is scmi?
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• 1407[12:32:55] <Aebian> dracc: its an alias for 'sudo apt-get install'
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• 1409[12:33:23] <brokencycle> dracc: Well. I know that I can remove the key from the hosts file, but why is SSH perfectly fine with the key, but mosh isn't? I think they should use the same key.
• 1410[12:33:28] <Aebian> so personal none-sense :D
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• 1414[12:34:44] <brokencycle> My point is that mosh and ssh do not agree on the server key, which I find disturbing.
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• 1428[12:42:10] <Adolph> i luv farts
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• 1438[12:46:33] <Aebian> so does java-packe even support java 10?
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• 1442[12:46:58] <Aebian> that's the question and if not then thats why I get the error
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• 1476[13:04:02] <jken> Hello, I am having an issue writing a raw disk image out to a disk in an IOT device. The image has a GPT type and contains 2 partitions, EFI and / (ext4). When I dd this image to the drive, and then check it with fdisk -l, I only see a single parition on the drive of GPT (rather than EFI System) and of course it does not boot. Can anyone help me figure this out?
• 1477[13:04:06] <jken> I also see "GPT PMBR size mismatch" when checking fdisk -l
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• 1479[13:04:14] <Time-Warp> does anyone use minissdp
• 1480[13:04:16] <Time-Warp> lol
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• 1484[13:04:50] <jelly> minissdpd?
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• 1490[13:05:22] <Time-Warp> thats what i was saying first time ive actualy seen it. asked if i should enable it on boot. is it network discovery related?
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• 1496[13:06:49] <jelly> looks like it's related to DLNA and similar upnp-related services
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• 1501[13:07:37] <Time-Warp> ut oh. time to check pstree -p
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• 1504[13:08:15] <jelly> it probably enables itself by default when you install it
• 1505[13:08:26] <dracc> Aebian, Well, you get an error about java-package not being in your $PATH. Not sure whether it should be though.
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• 1507[13:08:58] <jelly> Aebian: it didn't last time I looked
• 1508[13:09:07] <jelly> ,v java-package
• 1509[13:09:08] <judd> Package: java-package on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; buster/contrib: 0.62; sid/contrib: 0.62; stretch/contrib: 0.62
• 1510[13:09:26] <Time-Warp> thanks jelly !
• 1511[13:11:35] <noodlepie> Hiya guys. Debian working ok for you todaY? I'm just updating my Gentoo laptop. It takes longer to build packages (they're all built from source with Gentoo) than Debian so I use Debian on older machines.
• 1512[13:11:43] <noodlepie> @:P-~
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• 1514[13:12:21] <jelly> it worked okay yesterday...
• 1515[13:12:49] <noodlepie> Speakers in my laptop still don't work. Headphones do though. Is it some issue with an amplifier?
• 1516[13:12:55] <jelly> Aebian: replaced-url
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• 1529[13:24:55] <BCMM> noodlepie: have you looked for weird switches in alsamixer?
• 1530[13:25:29] <BCMM> some laptops have odd mixer options that toggle internal/external sound (intended to be selected by Windows tray bloatware)
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• 1539[13:28:56] <noodlepie> alsamixer is fine. It controls the headphones alright.
• 1540[13:29:08] <o_miguel> I experience this problem on my laptop and desktop running debian, however it does not occur on another operating system.. tcp/ip packages of a specific length (459bytes) are not delivered to their destination. It works for 460bytes and 458bytes...
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• 1542[13:29:18] <noodlepie> They used to work when I first install the software on it (-the laptop). :/
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• 1551[13:33:16] <Aebian> thanks jelly I'll give it a try
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• 1555[13:35:29] <Aebian> that site is crap in my opinion. Unable to find the git path for cloning
• 1556[13:35:50] <Kocane> guuuys, when I try to boot from debian 9.4 netinst usb it just get a blinking cursor.. ubuntu server works fine but i dont want that
• 1557[13:36:06] <Aebian> ok https clone works
• 1558[13:36:21] <Kocane> the pc (mb asus p6t deluxe v2) has no trouble with booting frmo other usbs for windows etc
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• 1561[13:40:38] <jelly> Aebian: I did not test it. $work still uses java 7 in most places, and even 1.6
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• 1567[13:42:42] <jelly> Aebian: and since Oracle still provides security updates for 7 and 8 (for paying customers) I find make-jpkg rather useful
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• 1578[13:48:03] <Aebian> ok
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• 1580[13:48:50] <Aebian> then another question: does the .profile can work with the $PATH variable? crontab can't work with it but I just need it in the shell
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• 1583[13:49:20] <Aebian> ah
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• 1585[13:49:29] <Aebian> yeah nvm just looked into the file...
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• 1604[13:56:58] <jelly> Aebian: what do you mean "crontab can't work with it"
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• 1606[13:58:03] <jelly> you can set a custom value for PATH in crontab, but the syntax is a bit different than shell
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• 1611[13:59:26] <jelly> from a random crontab:
• 1612[13:59:28] <jelly> PATH = /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/oracle/product/11.2.0/bin:/usr/local/auto/cricket/oracle
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• 1720[14:55:31] <squarecircle> hi
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• 1722[14:55:46] <istevenmon> hi guys, i just want to confirm if cloud create a disk image from a live system or is it needed to use a livecd and read the disk from there?
• 1723[14:56:12] <squarecircle> I have some 50% "siq", if I run dstat and my system is very slow and unresponsive
• 1724[14:56:32] <squarecircle> how do I can see, what causes this amount of softirqs?
• 1725[14:56:57] <MrSlaughter1775> Steam has stopped working after installing the LibreOffice suite. I've performed "apt update" and "apt full-upgrade". Nothing has worked so far.
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• 1730[14:57:51] <MrSlaughter1775> By "stopped working", I mean that when I type "steam" in a terminal, my whole laptop becomes unresponsive. Mouse included.
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• 1741[15:01:15] <Logg> MrSlaughter1775, try uninstalling steam and following directions here to reinstall replaced-url
• 1742[15:01:44] <MrSlaughter1775> Thank you.
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• 1745[15:02:45] <squarecircle> oh and I'm running gitlab on this system
• 1746[15:03:13] <Logg> istevenmon, it's best to do a disk image while the filesystem isn't mounted
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• 1749[15:06:52] <istevenmon> Logg: but would it work if i do it live?
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• 1755[15:08:14] <Logg> istevenmon, maybe, maybe not. any data that is manipulated during the image copy may be corrupt in the final image. or you might get lucky. If you're going to image entire partitions, unmount them.
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• 1790[15:30:20] <dcpc007> hi all
• 1791[15:30:57] <dcpc007> is it possible with systemctl start to have an output of result like before ? (the green [ OK ] or red [ FAILED ] + message ?
• 1792[15:31:29] <dcpc007> very strange that a such command becomes silent even when it doesn't start because of error !
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• 1797[15:32:14] <Logg> I just check
• 1798[15:32:16] <Logg> status"
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• 1811[15:37:38] <jelly> dcpc007, not easily because the command is now asynchronous and all it does is send a message to systemd to do something
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• 1854[15:54:43] <zerox2a> i have debian 8 server where I installed subversion 1.9 from wandisco using their repository. unfortunately they don't have a repository for debian stretch and I want to upgrade my server should I just leave the package as it is and switch to the debian stretch version of svn after the upgrade?
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• 1861[15:56:15] <Logg> uninstall subversion, remove the repository, install 1.9.5 from stretch repos after dist-upgrade
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• 1865[15:58:16] <zerox2a> Logg: okay thanks for the advice
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• 1894[16:07:12] <dcpc007> jelly, thx, i'll make a wrapper to chain stop/start/restart with a journalctl status -eu xxx
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• 1900[16:07:38] <dcpc007> at least they could have think on an option like -v to add this when manually interacting
• 1901[16:07:47] <dcpc007> i just restart ntp after first config
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• 1903[16:08:11] <dcpc007> and a typo ... nothing was shown despite the service broken ...
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• 1921[16:17:52] <logic-> hey i forgot the command to directly paste a grep to a pastebin.... could anyone help? like i wanna paste messages.log to it
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• 1923[16:18:00] <Logg> pastebinit logic-
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• 1926[16:18:31] <logic-> im guessing i have to apt-get lol
• 1927[16:18:58] <logic-> thanks :)
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• 1943[16:26:57] <jelly> dcpc007: systemd people are not big on backwards compatibility or user friendliness
• 1944[16:28:28] <dcpc007> it seems :)
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• 1946[16:28:44] <dcpc007> but me i need to think with my "junior" admin
• 1947[16:29:59] <somiaj> you could follow the command by systemctl status service, though seems you are doing somethign similar with journalctl
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• 1970[16:37:21] <jelly> dcpc007: setting up helper aliases for yourself is nice, but when you have more than one server or more than one admin it's best to learn the actual tools and not rely on fancy helpers
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• 1972[16:37:39] <jelly> (because you're not going to always have them available)
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• 1974[16:38:16] <petn-randall> ^ this.
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• 1977[16:38:39] <dcpc007> hey, here i must sometime s create accounts with sudo, even when nobody knows if they knows the "ls" command
• 1978[16:38:59] <petn-randall> And if you get woken up at 3 AM for an emergency and the helpers don't work, you'll have to start figuring out what they did in the first place.
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• 1980[16:39:10] <dcpc007> then at least, i make basic doc, the most simplest possible for basic operations
• 1981[16:39:25] <dcpc007> generally they call me as soon as they are stuck ( or use a cwrong command)
• 1982[16:39:48] <dcpc007> and even me, sometimes i prefer type 1 command than 2 :)
• 1983[16:40:04] <dcpc007> when interactive and manual
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• 1990[16:42:12] <somiaj> dcpc007: yea, took me a while to get use to systemctls no output (and the fact that it isn't fully async, stoping/rstarting services, systemctl will sit a wait, but still give no output (so it does more than just send systemd a single)
• 1991[16:42:51] <somiaj> but over all, I like a lot about systemd, there are things I miss, but most of them aren't that bad once I got use to the new tools.
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• 1994[16:43:40] <dcpc007> yes, sure it will be better when i'll know how to use it well
• 1995[16:43:51] <dcpc007> 4 years i wait to switch non it ...
• 1996[16:43:55] <dcpc007> on it
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• 2085[17:22:40] <antoine____> Hello, I have a debian laptop that my parents use. They don't want any password so I set it to auto login on startup. It looks like seahorse isn't "unlocked" upon startup. Is there any way to unlock seahorse on startup without providing a password?
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• 2087[17:23:21] <antoine____> Because for my parents, it doesn't make much difference if they still have to type the password, be it on startup or upon unlocking seahorse.
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• 2107[17:34:20] <antoine____> Without a better solution, I just removed searhorse's password.
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• 2158[17:55:38] <nse> Hi, guys. I am having trouble configuring Electric Sheep in Debian Stretch. I've already downloaded the source and followed the instructions. But in the last "make" I get an error: "relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `Tcl_UniCharToLower' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC". It says I must use a PIC but I just can't find one. Can anybody help me doing something about this? I do appreciate your help and
• 2159[17:55:38] <nse> I'll follow all of your instructions. That's it, guys. Embraces for all.
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• 2202[18:12:58] <troulouliou_div2> hi has drush been removed from debian ?
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• 2206[18:13:45] <annadane> ,v drush
• 2207[18:13:46] <judd> Package: drush on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4-1; jessie: 5.10.0-2
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• 2210[18:14:15] <somiaj> troulouliou_div2: replaced-url
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• 2212[18:14:45] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2213[18:14:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2217[18:15:28] <troulouliou_div2> ok thanks: will proceed manually
• 2218[18:15:39] <somiaj> ahh, sounds like the package was orphaned, got to many bugs and was removed since no one was volunteering to fix it.
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• 2222[18:16:16] <epsilon> looks like 3 years not maintained
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• 2265[18:36:58] <troulouliou_div2> drush is deprecated whatever ; make sense
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• 2288[18:48:17] <jhutchins_wk> troulouliou_div2: Is there something that replaces it?
• 2289[18:48:39] <jhutchins_wk> I know they had moved to using composer to install it.
• 2290[18:49:09] <troulouliou_div2> jhutchins_wk, simply goin in root web dir and launching composer install
• 2291[18:49:23] <troulouliou_div2> jhutchins_wk, yes exactly
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• 2295[18:50:51] <jhutchins_wk> One more step toward "you have to be a PHP developer to use a PHP app like Drupal".
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• 2299[18:53:07] <jhutchins_wk> Looks like the program itself is still in active development with recent commits to git.
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• 2301[18:53:52] <troulouliou_div2> yes you always need to sync it like this : curl -sS replaced-url
• 2302[18:54:03] <greycat> dear gods
• 2303[18:54:18] <troulouliou_div2> and then move to $PATH as optional step
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• 2319[19:03:38] <pythesquid> has systemd ruined debian?
• 2320[19:03:45] <Logg> pythesquid, no
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• 2363[19:25:55] <james1138> Hello from Indiana. I am switched to Debian less than a week ago but used Ubuntu for years. Any tips on how to fix my PulseAudio from going back to max volume after each reboot? Using Debian 9.4
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• 2369[19:30:37] <mtn> james1138: you might take a look at the arch linux wiki on pulseaudio
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• 2373[19:32:36] <james1138> Arch Linux? Does the solution work with Debian?
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• 2375[19:33:01] <mtn> james1138: it should, it is linux and pulseaudio in both ;)
• 2376[19:33:07] <greycat> in many cases, yes; but you have to test it yourself to be sure
• 2377[19:33:19] <Logg> james1138, not always, but the arch linux wiki is a good resource still. sometimes package names and config locations are different
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• 2386[19:35:27] <james1138> Has anyone ran across the problem?
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• 2389[19:36:30] <Logg> james1138, give it a try
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• 2397[19:38:29] <jhutchins_wk> james1138: Alsa is supposed to save your settings on shutdown and restore them on boot. Watch your boot messages and/or check dmesg
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• 2416[19:52:25] <james1138> I wonder would update drivers maybe help
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• 2431[20:04:23] <DammitJim> is it normal for my machine to show 127.0.0.1 as my dns server?
• 2432[20:04:30] <DammitJim> when I do an nslookup
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• 2436[20:05:31] <greycat> It's normal if you installed a DNS resolver on your machine.
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• 2439[20:07:02] <DammitJim> it's not normal to have it fail resolving names that are on a network, though, right?
• 2440[20:07:04] <greycat> (And installing your own DNS resolver is somewhat common.)
• 2441[20:07:14] <DammitJim> meaning... I switched WiFi networks
• 2442[20:07:16] <greycat> what do you mean, "on a network"?
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• 2444[20:07:23] <DammitJim> and now it doesn't resolve addresses
• 2445[20:07:36] <contrapunctus> o/
• 2446[20:07:37] <greycat> What name doesn't it resolve? What did you expect it to do? What does it do instead?
• 2447[20:07:48] <DammitJim> so, I was on my corporate network... then connected to a hotspot on my cell
• 2448[20:08:24] <DammitJim> my corporate network was part of the dts.com domain
• 2449[20:08:35] <DammitJim> now on the hotspot, it doesn't resolve vpn.dts.com
• 2450[20:08:45] <greycat> wooledg:~$ host vpn.dts.com
• 2451[20:08:45] <greycat> vpn.dts.com has address 12.176.124.60
• 2452[20:08:46] <DammitJim> <domain names are fictitious>
• 2453[20:08:54] <DammitJim> right!
• 2454[20:08:56] <greycat> Looks like it's public, so I would expect that to work.
• 2455[20:09:01] <DammitJim> but my machine gives me a servfail
• 2456[20:09:08] <DammitJim> when querying for it
• 2457[20:09:12] <greycat> what do you mean "domain names are fictitious"
• 2458[20:09:23] <DammitJim> dts.com is not really the one I'm working on
• 2459[20:09:26] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2460[20:09:38] <DammitJim> LOL
• 2461[20:09:43] <DammitJim> but it's the same situation
• 2462[20:09:51] <DammitJim> the domain name I am working on has a public entry
• 2463[20:09:59] <DammitJim> so, as you said... it should work
• 2464[20:11:08] <DammitJim> so, I don't know where to look to figure out what the dns resolver is doing
• 2465[20:11:26] <DammitJim> now, that's good... at least you taught me what term to google
• 2466[20:11:29] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to associate geo: URIs with a custom script. Just how do I do this in a DE-agnostic way?
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• 2468[20:11:53] <contrapunctus> (Debian 9.4)
• 2469[20:11:58] <Logg> xdg-open
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• 2473[20:13:48] <contrapunctus> Logg: I'm aware of xdg-open - can you please point me to any documentation for associating a custom URI scheme with a command, which can be understood by mere mortals? :\
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• 2477[20:15:31] <Logg> contrapunctus, sorry, no. good luck.
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• 2492[20:22:52] <s7r> I have a debian host that holds many virtual machines, and it also acts as a router for them using nat. any settings to increase the limits for nat/tcp so that each guest can have thousands of concurrent connections without any problem?
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• 2495[20:24:27] <tw> contrapunctus: replaced-url
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• 2497[20:25:43] <contrapunctus> tw: thanks, looks better :)
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• 2499[20:26:13] <tw> so yours would be x-scheme-handler/geo=somefile.desktop
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• 2503[20:27:36] <Skaag> is there an easy tool I can install in debian, that will let me browse and connect to wifi networks from the CLI over SSH?
• 2504[20:28:02] <karlpinc> s7r: You want the documenation on the linux sysctl values. It's in, iirc, the linux-doc-4.9 package.
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• 2506[20:28:28] <s7r> karlpinc: is there any easy tutorial to boost them?
• 2507[20:28:34] <karlpinc> s7r: See also: "man sysctl" and "man sysctl.conf"
• 2508[20:28:47] <karlpinc> s7r: Do you need to boost them? How do you know?
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• 2510[20:29:57] <karlpinc> s7r: Debian's no different from other Linux kernels in sysctl stuff (almost always). So whatever you find regards instructions should work.
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• 2522[20:34:20] <s7r> karlpinc: i just thought that by default it cannot handle thousands of connections
• 2523[20:34:27] <s7r> but maybe i am wrong and might not need boosting ..
• 2524[20:34:36] <s7r> i'll keep an eye on logs on heavy load to see if it complaints.
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• 2527[20:34:48] <s7r> i am guessing any error related to sysctl limits would be in /var/log/syslog?
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• 2530[20:36:04] <tw> Skaag: maybe try nmtui? iwconfig+wpasupplicant are the not-easy tools.
• 2531[20:36:46] <karlpinc> s7r: I'd not be suprised if thousands worked. /var/log/syslog has almost everything in it. I'd try to use a tool that asks specifically about NAT tables, but I don't know offhand what that is.
• 2532[20:37:08] <karlpinc> s7r: But yes, no point in putting a lot of effort in if there's nothing in the logs and no indications of problems.
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• 2534[20:38:14] <vook> s7r: do you have irqbalance running?
• 2535[20:38:22] <s7r> vook: no, what is that
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• 2538[20:39:16] <karlpinc> s7r: (Have you looked? irqbalance seems to run by default.)
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• 2541[20:40:27] <s7r> i don't seam to find it
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• 2543[20:40:41] <vook> s7r: if ksoftirq is consuming a lot of resources, irqbalance will help
• 2544[20:40:55] <s7r> should i increase max open files limit?
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• 2549[20:42:34] <vook> I used to admin a series of Linux based CGN/NAT routers and had to make a lot of tweaks to get them performing well. I'll see if I still have any notes.
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• 2561[20:50:06] <jhutchins_wk> s7r: Sooner or later you're going to hit hardware limits.
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• 2575[20:55:45] <s7r> jhutchins_wk yeah but until then wanted to clear out the possible software limits
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• 2577[20:55:55] <s7r> i don't think it will be that heavy usage
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• 2580[20:56:09] <vook> my notes only cover the CGN vm, not the HV. irqbalance was a big part of the solution though. I'd definitely make sure that's installed and running.
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• 2622[21:19:05] <transhuman> question: does debian use .gvfs with relation to xwindows ? It appears ubuntu might but I have an odd problem where ls -al on the .gvfs file shows ????? for permissions even after a dismount removal and regeneration, does debian use this file system as well? If so anyone able to point me to documentation on .gvfs? thanks in advance
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• 2624[21:19:41] <greycat> If ls -l is showing ????? for permissions, that sounds like file system corruption.
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• 2626[21:19:52] <transhuman> ah ok
• 2627[21:20:34] <transhuman> kind of funny even after a recreation it says the same thing, maybe its using the same space, I thought it might have something to do with virtual devices or something
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• 2632[21:21:27] <transhuman> thanks greycat
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• 2689[21:55:03] <agio> hi all does anyone here use urxvt? When I apply colors in my ~/.Xdefaults file - they always appear totally diferent in the terminal, e.g. I apply the *color4 #<somehexforblue>' and the colors come out grey or pink or something
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• 2691[21:55:43] <Gardnet> I've installed debian9 on my other machine and i cant get it online, not even by wire. how can i enable the wired network?
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• 2696[21:56:45] <greycat> agio: works for me. I have Rxvt*color3: goldenrod
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• 2698[21:57:15] <greycat> Tried to make apt(8) usable. Gave up. But I left that in place because yellow-on-white is a horrible thing.
• 2699[21:57:57] <agio> what command produces yellow on white?
• 2700[21:58:14] <greycat> apt. progress line at the bottom while it's downloaing.
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• 2702[21:58:29] <agio> oh, install command...
• 2703[21:58:48] <agio> I use aptitude - not familiar with apt
• 2704[21:58:56] <greycat> I went back to apt-get.
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• 2706[22:00:09] <agio> greycat: have you customised the blue in your ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources? thats the color thats hard to see in my urxvt
• 2707[22:00:45] <roylaprattep> agio: Same thing.
• 2708[22:00:53] <greycat> I haven't played nethack in a few years, but when I did, I manually ran rxvt -rv -color4 something
• 2709[22:01:07] <greycat> Because in *reverse* video, blue-on-black is unseeable, and those floating eyes....
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• 2711[22:01:39] <greycat> It sounds like you are using reverse video, or an explicit black background.
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• 2717[22:03:25] <karlpinc> Gardnet: You probably need firmware.
• 2718[22:03:38] <agio> greycat: one difference I can see is that your have explicitly specified rxvt: e.g. `Rxvt*color3: goldenrod' Ive been using a generic color definition - which I assume will apply to any program which reads ~/.Xdefaults?
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• 2720[22:04:00] <greycat> I don't know what a "generic color definition" is.
• 2721[22:04:27] <karlpinc> Gardnet: See: replaced-url
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• 2725[22:06:00] <karlpinc> Gardnet: There is also the choice to install with non free firmware. See: "/msg dpkg installer firmware"
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• 2727[22:06:35] * karlpinc disables color entirely in all my terminals
• 2728[22:06:53] <agio> greycat: a line simply like `*color6: #2aa198' - no "Rxvt' prefix - I assume that would then apply to all programs?
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• 2733[22:08:33] <greycat> agio: that sounds horrifying. I have no idea what it will do, but I would imagine "chaos" is a part of it.
• 2734[22:09:00] <greycat> Also, is that a space there, or a tab?
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• 2740[22:11:02] <agio> greycat: its a space. I think the problem is, Ive specified a hex and it should be something simpler like a 256 color value
• 2741[22:11:25] <greycat> I don't know whether something changed, and I don't know why xrdb(1) doesn't document it, but IIRC you needed tabs there, not spaces, between the colon and the value.
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• 2744[22:12:21] <greycat> Maybe I'm just acting on obsolete knowledge.
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• 2747[22:14:01] <greycat> hmm, this article from 1995 says "space or a tab": replaced-url
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• 2750[22:16:38] <agio> I give up. Im going to get something to eat. be back later :)
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• 2787[22:30:44] * bug thinks black and white are nice colors
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• 2793[22:33:08] <Gardnet> my wired internet is not working on a freshly installed debian 9, wifi doesnt work either, how ccan i get it online to fix it?
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• 2800[22:35:16] <MACscr> Hmm, i have a debian jessie host with 4 nics, 3 of them bonded, bridged and vlan'ed. I have another linux host acting as a gateway that is working fine for all of my systems except this new one i just setup. Seems i can ping the internal gateway ip, the wan gateway ip, but cant reach the internet (other public ip's). Here are my tests and configs replaced-url
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• 2808[22:41:12] <abrotman> Gardnet: do you know the devices? Do they need firmware?
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• 2810[22:41:36] <abrotman> (wifi almost certainly does)
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• 2817[22:44:11] <dashs> he'p me for I have nvidia "no screens" disease.
• 2818[22:44:37] <dashs> Running binary 390
• 2819[22:44:42] <dashs> Have tried 3 cards: GT 620, GTX 1050Ti, Quadro P600
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• 2842[22:56:00] <Gardnet> abrotman: yes they do
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• 2844[22:56:38] <Gardnet> abrotman: i installed the firmware for wifi with a deb package and still doesnt work :/
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• 2854[23:02:33] <drummond> hey guys, can someone tell me how to change the window decoration theme of my mate using compiz? tried a lot but no success
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• 2856[23:03:44] <abrotman> Gardnet: that's vague, what isn't working? what's in dmesg about your device? how did you try to configure it?
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• 2858[23:04:09] <abrotman> compiz is long dead
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• 2874[23:10:35] <tacobat> didn't compiz get revived?
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• 2884[23:16:50] <dab> hey, I'm using system networking restart and am seeing a message about siocdifaddr cannot assign requested address. I undid the change on my config but still see this error. Is it possible to get a more verbose message?
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• 2902[23:26:36] <Gardnet> I have installed iwlegacy using deb package and doesnt work. why
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• 2907[23:28:27] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 2910[23:29:28] <Azrael_-> i've set up my first desktop-system for a very long time. network works fine with dhcp but i can't find the configuration for it. in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/interfaces.d/* there is no entry for eth0. where is this configured?
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• 2919[23:37:28] <davesp> "/etc/network/interfaces" has no lines containing "eth0"?
• 2920[23:37:37] <bug> Azrael_-, if you have enp#s# in interfaces, that's the new interface naming scheme. if not, network-manager could be handling it instead.
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• 2922[23:40:35] <Azrael_-> davesp: correct
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• 2926[23:41:55] <Azrael_-> bug: i admit i have no clue regarding the network-manager. is the network-manager only available using the gui or also using cli?
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• 2931[23:43:28] <nkuttler> Azrael_-: both
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• 2937[23:45:59] <Azrael_-> nkuttler: can you give me a hint how i can manage network interfaces using the network-manager using cli?
• 2938[23:46:09] <Azrael_-> can't seem to find the appropriate command
• 2939[23:46:50] <nkuttler> Azrael_-: no idea. nm-cli help?
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• 2941[23:47:21] <bug> Azrael_-, dunno, i don't use network-manager. you can switch back to /etc/network/interfaces if you like that better.
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• 2944[23:49:04] <Azrael_-> bug: network-manager seems fine. currently i'm just remote on a machine only using ssh. didn't manage to connect to the gui yet, so i'm looking for a way to manage a few things also using cli until i manage to get a connection to the gui. e.g. vncserver only provides me a grey image :(
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• 2952[23:52:48] <Azrael_-> "nmcli" it is :)
• 2953[23:53:27] <davesp> That noise is part of "Predictable Network Interface Names" ("replaced-url
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• 2956[23:55:49] <davesp> (After changing "/etc/default/grub", run "update-grub", reboot, etc.)
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• 2958[23:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1588
• 2959[23:57:25] <Azrael_-> ok, running remotely "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" just seems to having killed at least the remote connection. reconnect inmpossible. (is this usual when being on unstable?)
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