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0 [00:00:08] <garlok> how to link the RSA shadow to the real pub key on the server ?
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5 [00:02:15] <ntd> openssl vuln
6 [00:02:15] <ntd> let
7 [00:02:21] <ntd> let's you get both keys while it is generated
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9 [00:02:36] <tw> garlok: do you know where the authorized_keys file is?
10 [00:02:36] <ntd> might also affect session keys, unknown for now
11 [00:03:00] <garlok> tw, yes i do
12 [00:03:18] <tw> garlok: xargs -i@ bash -c '[ -n "@" ] && ssh-keygen -l -f /dev/stdin <<<"@"' < /home/tw/.ssh/authorized_keys
13 [00:03:39] <tw> pipe it your authorized_keys thing and it will line-by-line fingerprint it.
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15 [00:04:04] <tw> If your comment is any good, that should be enough to figure out which one is the culprit.
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23 [00:06:23] <joepublic> is there a lightweight program that pops up a menu under, say, lxqt?
24 [00:06:47] <garlok> tw, thank you.
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26 [00:07:01] <annadane> joepublic, as in, application launcher?
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28 [00:07:08] <garlok> what is the good command for that --> ssh-keygen -lf <(cat /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |grep myUser)
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34 [00:08:00] <tw> garlok: you need way more of that command for it to function properly.
35 [00:08:03] <annadane> i think the general answer for that is "rofi" though i'm not sure how one would get lxqt to use it, i'm not familiar with lxqt, may be configurable in shortcuts if it has such an option
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37 [00:08:10] <tw> xargs splits line-by-line.
38 [00:08:20] <annadane> rofi/dmenu is what people typically use in i3 to do that
39 [00:08:58] <joepublic> annadane, under lxde I can `lxpanelctl menu`
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42 [00:09:45] <annadane> well, i shouldn't be answering this question anyway as i don't use lxqt
43 [00:09:50] <joepublic> under lxqt, it turns out I can't.
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46 [00:10:25] <joepublic> so I was idly wondering if there was a pretty universal menu program that I just didn't know about.
47 [00:10:30] <tw> joepublic: probably depends on the window manager being used. lxqt is just the DE. It can use any number of window managers.
48 [00:11:07] <joepublic> tw, lxqt's panel has a menu button that shows a menu, that's handled by lxqt regardless of underlying window manager i believe
49 [00:11:19] <annadane> lxqt doesn't come with its own wm...?
50 [00:11:33] <joepublic> lxqt seems to use kwin, but it doesn't have to
51 [00:12:03] <michael2> when I run `startx' command - and my ~/.xsession gets sourced. does startx/xinit also run /etc/X11/xsession prior to running my ~/.xsession?
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54 [00:14:36] <tw> joepublic: erm, I guess you can try xdotool key 'alt+f1'. a quick google search says that's the global hotkey for that menu.
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58 [00:15:36] <joepublic> yes, good suggestion tw :) I have a button set to that now, but the menu doesn't open under the mouse--it open over where the button is.
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63 [00:17:01] <joepublic> might sound picky, but my "monitor" is an array of multiple 40" displays, and it's a long long way across
64 [00:18:03] <joepublic> this is a button on a tint2 panel on a different monitor than the one with the lxqt panel
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70 [00:20:07] <joepublic> this rofi is very nifty, by the way
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73 [00:21:48] <awal1> about 'rofi': it have a drop-down feature or something like 'dmenu/''shellex'?
74 [00:22:12] <annadane> does dmenu even *have* a drop-down feature?
75 [00:22:46] <joepublic> rofi seems to give you the choice of every binary in your path, in asciibetical order.
76 [00:22:49] <awal1> not a drop-down but easy to call via a shortcut
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79 [00:24:11] <awal1> lxqt use openbox by default
80 [00:24:17] <joepublic> under lxde (different computer), I just bound a button to lxpanelctl menu and poof, up pops a reasonable menu under the mouse pointer
81 [00:24:45] <awal1> joepublic, i use openbox I may help. what was you original question?
82 [00:24:52] <awal1> your
83 [00:25:24] <joepublic> basically, what duplicates the function of `lxpanelctl menu` which only works under lxde
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85 [00:26:11] <joepublic> a command I can put as action for a button on a toolbar that opens a menu of applications.
86 [00:26:48] <joepublic> this has very very low importance; i can just shrug, abandon tint2, and go back to cairo-dock. I just haven't done so yet.
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90 [00:27:35] <awal1> joepublic, tint2 have support for commands
91 [00:27:40] <awal1> recent versions
92 [00:28:03] <joepublic> it sure does.
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94 [00:28:17] <awal1> that is the panel i use
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98 [00:28:36] <joepublic> there's just not a 'sensible-menu' command like there is a 'sensible-browser' etc.
99 [00:29:19] <awal1> well, lxstuff are designed to work under lxde originally, openbox as default wm
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101 [00:30:08] <joepublic> lxpanelctl controls the lxde panel. lxqt has no such thing that I can locate. So i seek a small menu program to stand in its stead.
102 [00:31:09] <awal1> joepublic, sorry , I think I can not follow you since I use a pure openbox environement; not sure about lxqt
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104 [00:31:31] <awal1> lxqt is a mix of lxde/ qt technology
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106 [00:32:45] <joepublic> so, for the sake of knowledge, let's assume that lxqt vanishes into nonexistence and I am running pure fvwm or something.
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108 [00:33:25] <joepublic> Now, for my pure fvwm or something, I am looking for a small menu program to open up when I press a button that executes system commands.
109 [00:33:26] <annadane> bug report: lxqt vanishes into nonexistence
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111 [00:33:39] <awal1> I think a pure openbox session + a bit of tweaking one ends with a very nice environment; no need of lxde/lxqt, joepublic
112 [00:33:45] <joepublic> yeah that's gonna be a could not reproduce.
113 [00:34:03] <joepublic> yeah and there's a guy on phoronix who insists that only xfce is the one true way.
114 [00:34:37] <awal1> fvwm is may be the "best" WM ; I prefer openbox just bcoz fvwm have almost no support for randr
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116 [00:35:45] <annadane> i'm honestly not sure i've found one i like and have zero problems with but i never spend any time bothering to learn how to configure anything
117 [00:36:04] <annadane> mate is ok for the lazy
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119 [00:36:22] <joepublic> lxqt is the only desktop environment i have tried that I didn't want to switch away from pretty soon after.
120 [00:36:34] <joepublic> couldn't explain why, but I just go with it.
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123 [00:37:27] <joepublic> I would love to use a certain desktop environment whose name rhymes with "phasma" but every time I try it it turns out to still be a crash factory.
124 [00:37:37] <annadane> nouveau? :D
125 [00:37:38] <awal1> pure openbox+tint2+your theme of choice (I use mate bluementa theme) + a few apps like dmenu, gnome-menus one get a very lightqweight, nice and stable/complete environment, joepublic
126 [00:38:50] <awal1> I sincerly think that with a few configs/tweaks you don't need lqde, lxqt or similar works
127 [00:39:19] <awal1> lxde
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130 [00:39:59] <annadane> ok, but can we not urge people to try other desktops if they're fine with their current ones
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132 [00:40:14] <joepublic> I have something like 17 conky windows all the time telling me about every aspect of things, so i am pretty sure "just what i need" is right out as far as qualifications for a work environment go.
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134 [00:40:22] <awal1> for me apart kde, gnome, xfce and mate, all other "DE" are just forks that one can imitate easily with a bit of effort
135 [00:40:48] <joepublic> I urge everyone to not try desktops if they are happy with their current one. That way lies madness.
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137 [00:40:50] <awal1> yeah, conky, I use it ( I confess I have worked a very nice and advanced one :P)
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139 [00:41:07] <annadane> fvwm looks nice. but again, lazy
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141 [00:41:26] <joepublic> I repent of having said fvwm.
142 [00:41:34] <awal1> what is lxqt/lxde? just openbox and on top a few configs and theaming
143 [00:41:59] <awal1> fvwm is great if you have time and patience to learn it
144 [00:42:01] <joepublic> it's a set of modular desktop environment components that one may take or leave.
145 [00:42:11] <joepublic> I chose 'take'. Your mileage may vary.
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148 [00:43:10] <awal1> the big fvwm "mess" is no support for randr
149 [00:43:32] <joepublic> in point of fact I am using kwin which supports very well randr.
150 [00:43:34] <awal1> apart that, it is the most configurable
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154 [00:45:42] <awal1> joepublic, try fvwm-crystal
155 [00:45:50] <awal1> it is very nice
156 [00:45:58] <joepublic> my xrandr reports at the moment: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5760 x 1080, maximum 16384 x 16384
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158 [00:46:20] <joepublic> I honestly don't know how I dealt with a tiny desktop all those years
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165 [00:49:17] <joepublic> awal1 you seem very knowledgeable and I appreciate your help very much.
166 [00:50:06] <awal1> joepublic, I haven't helped you at all; just comments :P but thanks :D
167 [00:50:16] <bug> if all you want is a menu, panel, and desktop, you can't get any lighter than jwm
168 [00:50:47] <awal1> jwm have limits regardign config
169 [00:50:49] <joepublic> I have used a window manager (forget which one) plus dfm before.
170 [00:50:55] <awal1> you get stuck
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172 [00:52:13] <awal1> I believe one haveto spend his time learning other stuff instead of losing months/years lost in which one is nicer
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174 [00:53:06] <joepublic> yeah I agree; i would rather learn what is good about each one and how to operate each.
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176 [00:53:28] <joepublic> except for unity, which sucks ping-pong balls.
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178 [00:56:26] <awal1> Time ago I spent like one year installing/reinstalling and trying all DEs/WMs available out there. I have an average good idea about all of them. I ended with openbox&fvwm; I found them the most stable/configurable/mature
179 [00:57:02] <awal1> kde/gnome are another story
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185 [00:59:14] <joepublic> I don't mind kde or gnome on fast computers that keep them out of the way.
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188 [01:00:33] <Plouescat> hey
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190 [01:00:42] <Plouescat> anybody using debian on a mac book air?
191 [01:00:47] <michael2> does the full gnome desktop use much RAM and CPU?
192 [01:01:04] <hays> are there any tools on the commandline that help with parallelism? example: copying a bunch of files into the cloud by spawning a bunch of worker threads
193 [01:01:23] <joepublic> My son uses it on a netbook with 6GB RAM and an anemic AMD A4
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195 [01:01:55] <Plouescat> hays why not just launching the command into background?
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197 [01:02:35] <hays> because that doesn't spawn a bunch of worker threads?
198 [01:03:49] <abrotman> There's a program called parallel ?
199 [01:04:19] <hays> example: find . -name "*.foo" -type f -exec
200 [01:04:36] <abrotman> judd: info parallel
201 [01:04:37] <judd> Package parallel (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: build and execute command lines from standard input in parallel. Version: 20161222-1; Size: 299.6k; Installed: 997k; Homepage: replaced-url
202 [01:04:41] <abrotman> like that?
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205 [01:05:09] <hays> let me take a look
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212 [01:08:15] <michael2> whats the difference between the child processes the shell starts when command terminated with `&' and worker threads? are threads lighter? and can take advantage of multi core CPU's
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216 [01:10:15] <hays> parallel looks pretty good thanks
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225 [01:12:56] <darsie> How do I remove a grub entry?
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227 [01:13:16] <hays> wow. parallel --citation seriously?
228 [01:13:18] <darsie> grub.cfg says DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
229 [01:13:28] <abrotman> darsie: what kind of entry?
230 [01:13:46] <darsie> abrotman: debian linux on a hacked partition.
231 [01:14:00] <darsie> I don't want to accidently start it.
232 [01:14:00] <abrotman> so oy udon't want it to look at the other partition?
233 [01:14:06] <darsie> yes
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235 [01:14:55] <darsie> I could disconnect the disk during grub update.
236 [01:16:01] <darsie> Since it's actually on a separate disk.
237 [01:16:46] <hays> this is nice. find . -type f | parallel -j6 pbzip2 {}
238 [01:17:36] <bug> darsie, why not just nuke it?
239 [01:17:49] <darsie> bug: There's still important data on it.
240 [01:17:50] <abrotman> darsie: you're probably going ot end up in #grub, I don't see anything obvious. It uses os-prober to see what's out there, and you can disable os-prober, but that may break other things for your grub cfg
241 [01:18:26] <darsie> Can I delete something so grub won't find it?
242 [01:18:33] <darsie> like the kernel?
243 [01:18:45] <abrotman> you could, I suppose
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245 [01:19:08] <abrotman> or perhaps chmod -r if you wnated to preserve them
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247 [01:20:28] <darsie> and now update-grub?
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249 [01:20:35] <abrotman> try it and see
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252 [01:21:17] <hays> is there a way to use tee in a stream of pipes so that I can separate out some output to STDOUT?
253 [01:21:34] <darsie> it still found it: Found Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) on /dev/mapper/vg1-root
254 [01:22:12] <hays> for example id like to print the output of find to the console while still piping it to the parallel command: find . -type f -name="*.bz2" | parallel bunzip2 {}
255 [01:22:27] <hays> unfortunately bunzip2 -v is wayy too noisy
256 [01:23:31] <darsie> nm
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261 [01:24:39] <joepublic> that's a pretty good description of exactly what tee does
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265 [01:27:00] <joepublic> how to get tee to write to a pipe I am not so sure.
266 [01:28:00] <abrotman> hays: you could use -exec ?
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268 [01:28:17] <darsie> abrotman: -r didn't seem to work. I moved the files to a 'rem' directory.
269 [01:28:17] <joepublic> touch uglyhack.txt ; tail -F uglyhack.txt & ; do something |tee uglyhack.txt | something else
270 [01:28:21] <darsie> Now grub-install?
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275 [01:30:41] <abrotman> update-grub ?
276 [01:30:53] <darsie> yeah, I already did that. looks good.
277 [01:31:06] <abrotman> ok
278 [01:31:15] <darsie> done?
279 [01:31:31] <darsie> I'll reboot ...
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293 [01:36:46] <michael2> if I have a partition /dev/sda6 which already has ext4 filesystem on it, and I want to replace ext4 with a LUKS container - whats the command to blow away the ext4 filesystem? to give me an empty partition?
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300 [01:41:27] <michael2> would I target the filesystem? e.g. something like `mkfs --remove' or just update the partition table to say sda6 should now be empty (free space)
301 [01:41:33] <hays> joepublic: yeah, it seems it just doesn't do this particular thing
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303 [01:41:43] <hays> joepublic: i guess i could create a named pipe
304 [01:41:53] <hays> seems kinda overkill though
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306 [01:42:53] <hays> its almost like there should be a way to indicate to bash that you want to pipe STDOUT to another utility but make a copy for STDOUT as well
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308 [01:43:07] <hays> ls || other_thing
309 [01:43:11] <hays> something like that
310 [01:43:18] <abrotman> that's what tee does
311 [01:43:30] <abrotman> literally
312 [01:43:46] <joepublic> no, tee writes to stdout and a named file. if you pipe it you don't get it to stdout anymore.
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314 [01:45:02] <abrotman> it writes to stdout .. what you do with it there is your decision
315 [01:45:14] <abrotman> stdout and file(s)
316 [01:45:42] <hays> yeah doesn't seem you are listening very carefully to the convo
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318 [01:45:59] <abrotman> I'm just saying it does what you asked above
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320 [01:46:19] <joepublic> it in fact does not allow you to pipe output to another command and also see it at stdout.
321 [01:46:22] <abrotman> You might want to see if #bash has another recommendation
322 [01:46:33] <abrotman> (instead of tee)
323 [01:47:28] <hays> yeah i'll see what they say
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327 [01:51:18] <joepublic> wow. |tee /dev/tty
328 [01:51:20] <joepublic> nice.
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331 [01:52:14] <darsie> abrotman: It worked. I just got really worried when I saw grub wanting to boot hd1 while I needed to boot sdb. Must have been me selecting the second disk for boot in the bios.
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346 [02:00:26] <bug> michael2, when you luksFormat the partition, previous data should be lost. if you want to be extra sure, you can dd it with zeros first.
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350 [02:02:34] <michael2> bug: so I dont touch the partition table right?
351 [02:03:49] <bug> michael2, no particular reason to do that, unless you want to repartition the disk for some reason.
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358 [02:06:51] <michael2> ok, because partition table only really dictates size and order of the slices of the disk and doesn't care whats in those "slices" right? ok, I try just going straight into lukFormat command
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373 [02:11:39] <bug> michael2, right. you'll be creating a new filesystem anyway shortly as part of the process.
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400 [02:22:57] <michael2> hmm, Im getting [command not found] luksformat, and I have cryptsetup-bin installed
401 [02:23:44] <michael2> according to:
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403 [02:23:48] <michael2> replaced-url
404 [02:24:01] <michael2> I should have it
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406 [02:25:31] <pinnen> cryptsetup -y -v luksFormat /dev/xvdc
407 [02:26:43] <fasdfd> what package(s) should I install on Debian 9 netinstall with task-xfce-desktop to be able to click links in a Java app that uses the BROWSE action? replaced-url
408 [02:26:47] <michael2> pinnen: think I'll have to do /usr/sbin/luksformat ... in stretch luksformat is in /usr/sbin/ - which isn't in my PATH
409 [02:26:55] <pinnen> ahh
410 [02:27:12] <fasdfd> currently the app in question shows the following error when clicking a link: replaced-url
411 [02:27:14] <pinnen> that is strange then :)
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418 [02:31:46] <michael2> pinnen: what does `-y' option do? its something to do with how you get prompted for the device passphrase right?
419 [02:32:09] <michael2> I assume `-v' means 'verbose' ?
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422 [02:34:39] <mutante> michael2: --verify-passphrase, -y
423 [02:34:48] <mutante> When interactively asking for a passphrase, ask for it twice and complain if both inputs do not match.
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429 [02:35:46] <bug> cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdXY
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434 [02:37:40] <michael2> ah, thats why I couldn't find docs in either luksformat --help or man luksformat for the `-y' option its in `cryptsetup' manpage!
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438 [02:42:15] <michael2> hmm. similar problem to luksformat, I dont have the 'cryptsetup' command anymore
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442 [02:44:04] <michael2> nvm. /sbin/cryptsetup
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448 [02:46:01] <bug> michael2, replaced-url
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459 [02:53:41] <michael2> bug: thanks
460 [02:54:08] <bug> np
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492 [03:20:24] <Eli_x> replaced-url
493 [03:20:30] <Eli_x> how do I actually select it?
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497 [03:23:06] <bug> space i think
498 [03:23:26] <abrotman> yes, space
499 [03:23:57] <Isa> yeeee
500 [03:23:58] <Isa> thankyou
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511 [03:37:30] <siraben> Debian is not rendering some unicode font
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526 [03:49:26] <michael2> siraben: did you read the wiki? replaced-url
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534 [03:55:48] <Isa> I managed to do it once before, but can I quit a session without disturbing my scripts?
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543 [04:02:17] <Isa> nevermind, I just used screen
544 [04:02:20] <Isa> wooo
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553 [04:06:22] <mejnour> Hello everyone. I'm having trouble installing Quartus II Altera Web Ed. 17. Well, I did intalled it and It's working, although ModelSim, needed for some simulations doenst seem to be working properly. I'm reading all I can in web for the past 4 hours and I think I found an interesting tutorial. This: replaced-url
554 [04:06:23] <mejnour> 32bit libraries on my 64bit machine. The OS on wich the tut was made were OpenSUSE. So, I'm kinda need help to properly install these libs without destroying my Debian install. I'm running Debian stretch, btw
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557 [04:07:22] <nova_> hi
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563 [04:11:30] <Epakai> !tell mejnour -about multiarch
564 [04:12:20] <siraben> michael2: Yes but it still is missing unicode characters
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566 [04:12:52] <siraben> How do I specify fallback fonts?
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568 [04:14:06] <mejnour> Epakai, thankyou so much.
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588 [04:30:22] <siraben> Anyone know how to get Unicode characters to display properly on Debian?
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591 [04:31:30] <themill> that's pretty vague
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597 [04:35:22] <siraben> How do I get certain unicode charactesr to display properly?
598 [04:35:32] <siraben> e.g နေကောင်းလာ
599 [04:35:39] <siraben> ⮐
600 [04:35:43] <siraben> Don't appear
601 [04:36:00] <uptime> don't appear where?
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603 [04:36:51] <siraben> In my Emacs IRC
604 [04:36:55] <siraben> But neither in Firefox
605 [04:37:04] <siraben> Nor gedit
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607 [04:37:24] <siraben> Strangely, in tor browser though...
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612 [04:39:18] <emu_rider> What language is those characters suppose to be?
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614 [04:39:38] <emu_rider> And maybe install a font that support that language
615 [04:40:26] <emu_rider> I cant tell because the unicode is not showing up properly for me as well
616 [04:40:45] <themill> renders just fine here
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620 [04:42:42] <emu_rider> I only have 5 or 6 fonts installed so yea
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896 [08:35:42] <Freenoodle> Hi, just upgraded from stable to sid. I see that consolekit hat been removed, consequently, when I switch to a different console, where a different user is logged on, sound just continues playing and the sound card seems to be blocked for the other user. How is access to hardware resources such as the sound card now supposed to be handled without consolekit?
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919 [08:49:53] <at0m> !tell Freenoodle about sid
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924 [08:50:55] <at0m> !tell Freenoodle about testing
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931 [08:56:24] <at0m> Freenoodle: for starters, one doesn't skip from stable to sid without updating to testing first. that's how upgrade paths usually go in debian, afaik. but support for that on irc is irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next
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941 [09:03:47] <Freenoodle> at0m, At this stage in the development cycle, the difference between testing and unstable is small, and consolekit is in neither of them. Anyway, thanks for the pointer to the other channel. (P.S.: Using Debian since 2001)
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943 [09:04:38] <Freenoodle> at0m, debian-next is invite only so it's probably just for devs
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1014 [09:56:33] <vlt> Hello. I prepared an automated Debian 9 system using a virtual machine (xen). The network device's name was always "eth0". Now I cloned that system to the USB media the user later will use but running on the first real hardware I got a network device called "enp2s0" and my interfaces config failed.
1015 [09:56:50] <vlt> How can I make this bullet proof?
1016 [09:58:14] <vlt> How do I nowadays configure the system to automatically use the one (or first) NIC that appears (with dhcp client)?
1017 [09:59:49] <vlt> If I changed "eth0" to "enp2s0" in /etc/interfaces now, how do I know that that will be the name also on other machines?
1018 [09:59:51] <wrq7253> vlt: you could disable the annoying interface renaming by adding boot parameters net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
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1021 [10:01:10] <vlt> This is how it's officially done now?
1022 [10:01:18] <vlt> wrq7253: I'll try that. Thanks!
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1028 [10:02:06] <wrq7253> vlt: the renaming will be different on different machines. for example, "enp2s0" stands for ethernet device on pci bus 2, slot 0
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1035 [10:10:56] <wrq7253> vlt: so the renaming thing makes sense to have stable interface names on ONE machine without needing to store information about the cards, even if you add network cards.
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1037 [10:11:55] <wrq7253> vlt: however if you want to build a generic live system, you better turn off renaming
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1056 [10:28:14] <vlt> wrq7253: It worked :-)
1057 [10:30:44] <alkisg> Generic live systems shouldn't need to mention interface names at all :D
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1059 [10:30:59] <alkisg> I don't know of any live cd etc that hardcodes interface names
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1064 [10:33:29] <wrq7253> alkisg: my own live system (not debian based) sets its hostname based on last three bytes of the mac address of eth0 (if eth0 exists)
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1104 [11:00:49] <nix64bit> if I install chrome with dpk -i chromelatest.deb how can I make sure i get it updated?
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1107 [11:03:55] <Unit193> Chrome likes to add it's own repo when you install via the 'deb' package, you can check if it did in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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1110 [11:04:58] <jelly> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189 Mar 16 2016 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
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1112 [11:05:22] <Unit193> jelly: inxi -r! :>
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1114 [11:05:40] <jelly> inri what?
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1116 [11:08:50] <vlt> alkisg: What would be the usual way to configure the interfaces?
1117 [11:09:03] <Unit193> Eh, just a 'sysinfo' script, '-r' shows enabled repos.
1118 [11:09:19] <alkisg> vlt: personally I'm using network manager, which automatically creates connections for undeclared interfaces
1119 [11:09:38] <alkisg> I don't know if ifupdown or systemd-networkd support that and how
1120 [11:09:48] <vlt> I have `systemctl status` now telling me "degraded" and `systemctl` lists "● networking.service loaded failed failed Raise network interfaces"
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1123 [11:10:40] <vlt> I assume that's because of how I configured it using the old-school /etc/network/interfaces file :-/
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1127 [11:16:18] <JustASlacker> you guys know in which package is "mimetype"
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1133 [11:17:37] <JustASlacker> libfile-mimeinfo-perl
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1162 [11:29:51] <misaka00251> Hello guys, so I'm using debootstrap to install debian stretch, but i'm stuck at chroot...
1163 [11:30:12] <misaka00251> replaced-url
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1167 [11:30:45] <misaka00251> 'dpkg' and basic unix command is working, but when I type 'apt' 'nano' 'curl'
1168 [11:30:55] <misaka00251> bash will say command not found
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1170 [11:31:19] <siraben> You're installing from command line?
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1172 [11:31:28] <misaka00251> yep
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1176 [11:32:55] <alkisg> misaka00251: a basic debootstrapped chroot doesn'thave nano or curl, you're supposed to install them later
1177 [11:33:12] <alkisg> afaik apt/apt-get should be there, though
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1179 [11:33:50] <misaka00251> when I type 'apt' or 'apt-get', just telling me command not found
1180 [11:33:55] <misaka00251> too weird
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1188 [11:36:54] <misaka00251> also after fresh install, I get a "I have no name" error
1189 [11:37:19] <misaka00251> I'm not sure "echo "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash" > /etc/passwd" is good or not to solve it:<
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1191 [11:37:25] <alkisg> That's a missing hostname probably
1192 [11:37:29] <alkisg> You'd need to create etc/hostname
1193 [11:37:39] <choice> How can I see all users that are able to ssh into a machine?
1194 [11:38:40] <PerfDave> choice: "getent passwd" will show you all the user accounts; there may be various things in /etc/ssh/sshd_config etc. which restrict which of those can SSH. And some of those accounts will have no password or SSH key to permit login.
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1196 [11:39:31] <choice> PerfDave: 'getent passwd' shows me users like 'replaced-url
1197 [11:39:50] <misaka00251> so if "apt" is not working, how can I "apt-get install makedev"...
1198 [11:40:23] <PerfDave> choice: If it has a password, SSH key and login shell...
1199 [11:41:15] <choice> PerfDave: How do I check that?
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1202 [11:42:08] <BCMM> misaka00251: are you following a really, really old tutorial?
1203 [11:42:27] <BCMM> zcat|tar seems like a really odd pattern in this day and age
1204 [11:43:01] <misaka00251> replaced-url
1205 [11:43:14] <choice> PerfDave: The last column in 'getent passwd' might be the login shell?
1206 [11:43:32] <misaka00251> this is the tutorial I followed
1207 [11:45:01] <petan> hello, does anyone know what ad_num_ports is for in network bonding? I tried googling but can't find much info
1208 [11:45:38] <choice> Strande, I deleted a user with 'userdel -r thatuser' but his homedire was not deleted.
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1210 [11:47:00] <choice> I did not get an error message.
1211 [11:47:02] <choice> Any ideas why?
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1213 [11:47:23] <misaka00251> or maybe my debootstrap didn't finished?
1214 [11:47:44] <misaka00251> there is a log in my /debootstrap folder
1215 [11:48:27] <misaka00251> and the only line contains error is this:
1216 [11:48:31] <misaka00251> ln: failed to create symbolic link '/mnt/debinst/dev/fd/fd': no such file of directory
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1258 [12:19:44] <fasdfd> what package(s) should I install on Debian 9 netinstall with task-xfce-desktop to be able to click links in a Java app that uses the BROWSE action? replaced-url
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1264 [12:22:04] <hanetzer> heyo. who would I annoy about adjusting some packages/getting some info on packages ?
1265 [12:22:17] <PerfDave> hanetzer: The package maintainers?
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1267 [12:22:20] <hanetzer> erm, info on packaging*
1268 [12:22:36] <hanetzer> PerfDave: fair enough, actually.
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1271 [12:25:10] <bezaban> !packaging
1272 [12:25:11] <dpkg> See replaced-url
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1288 [12:32:17] <DNS> hanetzer: best is to fo to oftc irc and join there #debian-mentors
1289 [12:32:22] <DNS> fo=go
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1292 [12:33:28] <hanetzer> DNS: noted. to be fair, I'm not interested in debian itself, but my distro (gentoo) uses some debian/patches from you guy's stuff, so I was wondering about patch formatting and things of that sort.
1293 [12:33:43] <DNS> ah i c
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1299 [12:34:56] <kita_no_kumamon> hi everyone! i am using a laptop with AMD cpu as a small home server. I am using Debian 8 as an OS. There's no Xserver installed on this machine. The question is: how do I manage CPU usage and therefore heating level on Debian 9 without GUI?
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1301 [12:35:54] <PerfDave> kita_no_kumamon: How would you manage it usually?
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1303 [12:36:37] <BCMM> kita_no_kumamon: are you talking about identifying processes using excessive cpu, or about performing some sort of automatic throttling like cpu frequency scaling?
1304 [12:37:12] <kita_no_kumamon> BCMM, well, it would be cool to set some kind of a threshold for cpu
1305 [12:37:23] <at0m> kita_no_kumamon: have a look at laptop-mode-tools and powertop
1306 [12:37:23] <BCMM> kita_no_kumamon: what do you mean by "threshold"?
1307 [12:37:32] <kita_no_kumamon> this machine is not supposed to be higly loaded, it's ust a samba fileserver
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1309 [12:38:24] <kita_no_kumamon> so in order to minimize heat level I'd like to set some kind of a maximum % for CPU usage
1310 [12:39:22] <at0m> kita_no_kumamon: and cpufreq, cpufrequtils
1311 [12:39:28] <kita_no_kumamon> tnx
1312 [12:39:31] <at0m> none of these require any GUI
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1314 [12:39:35] <BCMM> kita_no_kumamon: these things often don't work out the way it intuitively seems like they should
1315 [12:40:02] <at0m> BCMM: yea.. YMMV =)
1316 [12:40:30] <BCMM> kita_no_kumamon: for example, suppose you have a process that's going to do a certain amount of CPU-bottlenecked work
1317 [12:40:55] <BCMM> if you limit the cpu performance, that work will now take longer to complete
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1319 [12:41:16] <at0m> i don't think kita_no_kumamon is looking at CPU *usage*, more at throttling CPU M:GHz
1320 [12:41:34] <at0m> M/GHz
1321 [12:41:35] <kita_no_kumamon> at0m, exactly
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1323 [12:41:47] <BCMM> now that means the CPU is now spending less time in its idle state, which can result in an overall *increase* in power consumed (and dissipated as heat)
1324 [12:42:17] <BCMM> i'm talking about frequency scaling - for a given workload, cpus are typically most energy-efficient at the very fastest speed that's possible without overvolting
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1328 [12:43:27] <BCMM> however, if it's an older laptop that is actually at risk of overheating and shutting down from *short-term* full CPU usage, artificial limits make sense, as spreading that heat production out over more time can actually help
1329 [12:43:42] <at0m> BCMM: possibly.. but at typical loads of 0.05, with maxima at 0.50, underclocking makes sense
1330 [12:43:43] <BCMM> (but a sufficiently modern laptop has thermal throttling built in to the cpu for that)
1331 [12:44:09] <BCMM> at0m: that's hardware dependent
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1333 [12:44:40] <BCMM> at0m: even at low rates of usage, halving the frequency means doubling the amount of time the CPU spends in a high-power state
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1335 [12:45:03] <at0m> kita_no_kumamon: i underclocked a TV media center from 2.4 to 1.6GHz from the BIOS.. makes slow loads, but watching movies is mostly handled by GPU so..
1336 [12:45:04] <BCMM> (even though the power usage of that high-power state is reduced, it's still worse than being in deep sleep)
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1338 [12:45:35] <kita_no_kumamon> at0m, not sure if my BIOS allows this feature
1339 [12:45:43] <BCMM> on modern Intel hardware, at least, underclocking won't save power unless you can also undervolt
1340 [12:45:51] <at0m> it's an atom
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1342 [12:46:07] <at0m> yea it undervolts. on top, i could remove the fans
1343 [12:46:19] <at0m> temp remains cool enough
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1347 [12:47:16] <kita_no_kumamon> in my case even watching moives is performed on the client side. THe only thing the fileserver does is, well, storing and allowing access to the stored stuff
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1356 [12:49:47] <nicl_l> htop shows 100% CPU usage, while the constituent parts do not sum to 100%. Is there any program which reports a CPU% that is actually consistent? I am talking about the difference between an almost idle machine and 100% load.
1357 [12:49:53] <kita_no_kumamon> it also loads some torrents via transmission web client
1358 [12:50:11] <kita_no_kumamon> but it should not load CPU a lot, should it?
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1373 [13:02:52] <wrq7253> kita_no_kumamon: if it does encrypted net protocols, encryption/decryption could take some CPU (depending on the packet rate)
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1377 [13:05:43] <siraben> youtube-dl is giving errors:
1378 [13:05:45] <siraben> ERROR: Unable to download webpage: <urlopen error [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:777)> (caused by URLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:777)'),))
1379 [13:05:46] <siraben>
1380 [13:07:05] <wrq7253> siraben: add --no-check-certificate if you don't care about certificates
1381 [13:07:28] <siraben> Well, I do care about certificates.
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1383 [13:08:18] <wrq7253> siraben: and you know there is no cert problem on the server side?
1384 [13:08:28] <siraben> Well, no.
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1386 [13:08:41] <siraben> I'm playing YouTube normally though.
1387 [13:09:35] <wrq7253> siraben: so it is a youtube server? (youtube-dl can do much more than just youtube)
1388 [13:09:44] <siraben> Yes
1389 [13:09:50] <siraben> replaced-url
1390 [13:09:50] <siraben>
1391 [13:09:50] <PerfDave> siraben: "youtube-dl --update" may help if you're not running the latest version
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1393 [13:10:08] <siraben> youtube-dl can update itself independently?
1394 [13:10:18] <siraben> I used a package manager (Guix) to install
1395 [13:10:21] <jelly> siraben: what does "dpkg -l youtube-dl" say
1396 [13:10:24] <PerfDave> siraben: Depends how you installed it
1397 [13:10:35] <siraben> But the same issue appears if I do "sudo apt install youtube-dl"
1398 [13:10:45] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
1399 [13:10:47] <siraben> Maybe my environment variables?
1400 [13:10:47] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2018.03.14-1; sid: 2018.03.14-1; buster-multimedia: 2018.04.09-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2018.04.16-dmo1
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1402 [13:11:15] <siraben> Yeah I need to install nss-certs
1403 [13:11:46] <siraben> Sorry it wasn't an issue specific to Debian, it was to Guix.
1404 [13:12:00] <jelly> I don't think python does nss but who knows
1405 [13:12:02] <siraben> I think it's related to me setting my CURL_CA_BUNDLE and SSL_CERT_DIR
1406 [13:12:10] <jelly> what's Guix?
1407 [13:12:12] <PerfDave> !guix
1408 [13:12:29] <siraben> replaced-url
1409 [13:12:30] <PerfDave> Not even dpkg knows
1410 [13:12:35] <siraben> It's a package manager.
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1412 [13:12:45] <siraben> Or a fully free Linux distribution.
1413 [13:13:00] <siraben> It's good to use on top of Debian because it provides more up to date packages
1414 [13:13:04] <PerfDave> So it's nothing to do with Debian then? :)
1415 [13:13:08] <siraben> No...
1416 [13:13:11] <siraben> Sorry!
1417 [13:13:20] <siraben> Well, it's kind of related.
1418 [13:13:25] <siraben> ;)
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1420 [13:14:08] <siraben> Doesn't risk a franken-Debian because it's separated.
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1422 [13:14:24] <siraben> So even installing a program like Emacs makes it download a lot of dependencies (initially)
1423 [13:14:26] <jelly> dpkg, guix is <reply>replaced-url
1424 [13:14:27] <dpkg> jelly: okay
1425 [13:14:35] <siraben> !guix
1426 [13:14:35] <dpkg> replaced-url
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1428 [13:14:40] <siraben> Wow, nice!
1429 [13:15:00] <siraben> !dpkg
1430 [13:15:01] <dpkg> methinks dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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1432 [13:15:16] <siraben> Hah, circular.
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1442 [13:18:05] <p0g0_> siraben: that might be seen as self awareness, dpkg knows itself.
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1445 [13:18:56] <siraben> dpkg, are you self aware?
1446 [13:18:57] <dpkg> siraben: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
1447 [13:19:13] <siraben> dpkg, who wrote you?
1448 [13:19:14] <dpkg> siraben: are you using Windows?
1449 [13:19:20] <siraben> Who wrote dpkg?
1450 [13:19:44] <PerfDave> !msg the bot
1451 [13:19:45] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
1452 [13:20:00] <siraben> Ah, I see.
1453 [13:20:40] <siraben> PerfDave: So installing "nss-certs" helped.
1454 [13:21:10] <siraben> RMS doesn't use youtube-dl because apparently it still runs the non-free Javascript/
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1456 [13:22:51] <jelly> ,v nss-certs
1457 [13:22:53] <judd> No package named 'nss-certs' was found in amd64.
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1476 [13:39:42] <siraben`> jelly: It's a guix thing, apologies.
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1481 [13:41:35] <Rooot> hello, I am always getting this error when I start VM: 'replaced-url
1482 [13:41:57] <Rooot> using qemu/KVM
1483 [13:42:17] <hanetzer> DNS: thanks, they had the info I needed.
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1485 [13:42:22] <Rooot> with Virtual Machine Manager gUI
1486 [13:42:24] <Rooot> GUI
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1490 [13:43:31] <misaka00251> Hello, so I got a *.dsc and a *.tar.gz, how to install that into my Debian :?
1491 [13:43:44] <misaka00251> ./configure && make && make install ?
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1493 [13:44:11] <siraben`> I wouldn't recommend that. You could risk making a Franken-Debian
1494 [13:44:14] <BCMM> misaka00251: where did you get them from?
1495 [13:44:19] <hanetzer> misaka00251: dpkg-buildpkg or sommat like that. typically if those exist, a *.deb package exists, so dpkg -i *.deb
1496 [13:44:26] <misaka00251> replaced-url
1497 [13:44:30] <siraben`> If possible install it from the official repository.
1498 [13:44:46] <misaka00251> don't want to write /etc/fstab by myself...
1499 [13:45:31] <BCMM> misaka00251: 1. /etc/fstab isn't complicated 2. that's a debian source package; it can be used to automatically build a .deb for you to install
1500 [13:46:00] <hanetzer> misaka00251: honestly you can prolly just extract the files from an arch package. confession: I sometimes do that when installing gentoo to 'cheat' :P
1501 [13:46:13] <BCMM> (this is far preferable to just getting sources and doing make install, because at least dpkg knows where it is and how to uninstall it)
1502 [13:46:34] <misaka00251> BCMM: thx :D
1503 [13:46:37] <hanetzer> BCMM: ayup. I even do ebuilds for non-packaged stuff for my gentoo :P
1504 [13:46:39] <BCMM> misaka00251: replaced-url
1505 [13:46:43] <hanetzer> ebuilds are nice :)
1506 [13:47:11] <BCMM> hanetzer: debian source packages are basically ebuilds :)
1507 [13:47:38] <hanetzer> BCMM: idk. I looked into debian packaging a long time ago and it made my head hurt :P
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1509 [13:48:00] <BCMM> hanetzer: not a related syntax or anything, but they allow you to build and install a package automatically, with dependancies managed and so on
1510 [13:48:41] <hanetzer> yeah. I get that, I've done arch PKGBUILDs before (which is prolly where my love of ebuilds come from)
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1572 [14:11:37] <shomon> hi, I'm upgrading debian from wheezie to jessie.. it has reached an error finding an IP with dhcp-probe - but it's from an old laptop when there wasn't dhcp on the network I guess..
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1574 [14:11:52] <shomon> can I remove that package? or make sure I'll be able to connect on reboot despite it?
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1581 [14:19:32] <shomon> replaced-url
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1589 [14:29:34] <siraben`> How do I use Caps Lock as another control key in the Linux terminal?
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1591 [14:29:59] <siraben`> That I get by pressing C-M-<F1-9>
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1599 [14:36:04] <shomon> hi siraben` - maybe with an alias in bashrc.. but no idea really
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1604 [14:39:32] <shomon> is there a way to get around that error to upgrade my debian box?
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1606 [14:40:05] <shomon> currently most packages are held back from upgrading, I am wondering if dhcp probe is now replaced by something else like network manager..
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1644 [14:56:55] <andre144k> hi all - is there a way to find out when lastone changed user/group from a file?
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1649 [15:00:50] <misaka00251> hmm, what is 'lilo.conf'?
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1652 [15:01:14] <misaka00251> it is necessary or not :/
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1656 [15:03:23] <colo-work> depends on your bootloader
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1658 [15:03:29] <colo-work> if you boot using lilo, it can't harm to keep it around
1659 [15:03:35] <colo-work> if you use something else, it can probably go
1660 [15:03:46] <colo-work> (GRUB would be another option)
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1662 [15:04:02] <misaka00251> I use grub, so can I ignore that?
1663 [15:04:06] <colo-work> probably
1664 [15:05:04] <misaka00251> all right
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1676 [15:14:14] <JustASlacker> are there no packages for cobbler :-/
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1687 [15:22:12] <liveuser> hi, problem using luks, the commands run as if they work though the mapping never happens dmcrypt has been loaded and sometimes it complains the device is not luks
1688 [15:22:37] <liveuser> what is the command to run the mapping and activate the volume manually
1689 [15:22:58] <liveuser> dmcrypt or lvm, something
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1699 [15:26:47] <liveuser> oish: where did you get that nick?
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1704 [15:27:03] <liveuser> do you ever feel like inodes are mounting your internal Xserver?
1705 [15:27:14] <liveuser> ish
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1711 [15:28:44] <jelly> liveuser: is it LUKS or is it dmcrypt? Which debian release are you using?
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1713 [15:29:17] <liveuser> jelly kalilinux near latest
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1716 [15:29:41] <jelly> liveuser: output of "lsblk" might help you figure out what you managed to enable/start/open so far
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1720 [15:30:55] <jelly> liveuser: also, we don't provide help with derivative distros in here (tehnical and social/policy reasons). Ask in #kali-linux or ##linux
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1725 [15:31:50] <liveuser> this is practice for quality surrance jelly
1726 [15:32:10] <liveuser> the usb drive registers in the kernel and is listed in lsblk
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1729 [15:32:42] <jelly> if you can reproduce the issue with an actual debian installation or on debian-live you can ask here
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1732 [15:33:13] <liveuser> it doesn't map after running the standard commands for cryptsetup and gives no error looks as if all is working
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1734 [15:33:24] <liveuser> though it isn't , it never maps
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1741 [15:36:29] <liveuser> hurry up jelly before they attack
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1743 [15:37:02] <liveuser> the hives start calling the police
1744 [15:37:37] <liveuser> what is the command to map the crypt manually
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1753 [15:43:04] <liveuser> jelly: are any of the filesystems without inodes?
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1755 [15:43:31] <liveuser> everything needs to be recompiled
1756 [15:43:45] <liveuser> most of it is buggy
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1759 [15:44:03] <liveuser> things like this happen
1760 [15:44:14] <eugenmayer1> all encurses wizards somehow look broken like this: replaced-url
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1763 [15:45:57] <petn-randall> liveuser: Try keep the noise down. As jelly already said, if you can't reproduce it on Debian take it to Kali's channel.
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1766 [15:47:30] <liveuser> petn-randall: does the debian iso have dmcrypt ready to use after install?
1767 [15:47:45] * petn-randall shrugs.
1768 [15:47:49] <petn-randall> liveuser: Try it and see.
1769 [15:48:14] <petn-randall> liveuser: I'd guess that if it's installed, it's usable.
1770 [15:48:24] <liveuser> petn-randall is debian on your machine?
1771 [15:48:48] <liveuser> try which version 9.4?
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1774 [15:48:57] <liveuser> which kernel does it run?
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1780 [15:50:20] <petn-randall> liveuser: Yes, I'm running Debian stable, with the default kernel.
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1783 [15:50:37] <liveuser> which version is default?
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1789 [15:52:31] <petn-randall> ,kernels
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1794 [15:52:39] <petn-randall> liveuser: ^^^
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1800 [15:55:05] <Mattx> hi all. I supposedly have two public ips associated with the same net interface
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1802 [15:55:22] <Mattx> however, I don't know how to check that
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1804 [15:55:29] <PerfDave> Mattx: "ip addr show"?
1805 [15:55:30] <petn-randall> Mattx: 'ip addr'
1806 [15:55:56] <petn-randall> 'ifconfig' is the deprecated way that only shows the first IP address assigned.
1807 [15:56:20] <Mattx> ip addr doesn't show them, not even one
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1809 [15:56:42] <Mattx> I see the interface eth0, but there's no public ip in there
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1811 [15:57:00] <petn-randall> Mattx: Then you don't have any assigned.
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1814 [15:57:09] <Mattx> I do, I'm connected to it after all
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1816 [15:57:14] <Mattx> there must be at least one
1817 [15:57:26] <petn-randall> Mattx: Can you show us the complete output of 'ip addr'? → replaced-url
1818 [15:57:35] <Mattx> sure, one sec
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1823 [15:58:46] <Mattx> replaced-url
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1828 [15:59:32] <liveuser> there is no noise there
1829 [15:59:43] <liveuser> you are deeply mistaken
1830 [15:59:48] <Mattx> ?
1831 [15:59:57] <Mattx> I definitely have one at least, I'm doing ssh to it right now
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1835 [16:00:57] <liveuser> is "download a new pack of junk and maybe it works" signal?
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1840 [16:01:48] <Mattx> PerfDave, petn-randall, I don't even see my public ip on my laptop with ip addr
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1845 [16:02:10] <petn-randall> liveuser: Please come back when you're running Debian *and* have something productive to say.
1846 [16:02:56] <Mattx> I can check the public ip using api.ipify.org for instance
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1851 [16:03:22] <Mattx> however as they are associated with the same net interface I don't know how to ask to use one or the other ip
1852 [16:03:35] <Mattx> if they were on different net interfaces I could use the local address to select one or the other
1853 [16:03:40] <Mattx> but in this setup? no idea
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1858 [16:04:18] <petn-randall> Mattx: Since your interface only has a private IP address assigned, it seems as though there's a firewall in front of it doing NAT.
1859 [16:04:34] <Mattx> yeah, that could be. it's a aws server
1860 [16:04:39] <Mattx> err, instance *
1861 [16:04:45] <petn-randall> Mattx: In that case you have no control from what IP address connects come from, from that server.
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1866 [16:05:13] <petn-randall> Mattx: You probably have to configure stuff specific to aws, maybe there's a support channel for aws somewhere.
1867 [16:05:16] <petn-randall> !aws
1868 [16:05:17] <dpkg> Amazon Web Services (AWS) is a collection of remote computing/web services that make a cloud computing platform. Ask me about <ec2>.
1869 [16:05:24] <petn-randall> Hmm, no info there.
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1871 [16:05:36] <Mattx> there is ##aws but nobody is there
1872 [16:06:02] <petn-randall> They might have a slack channel or something, I imagine the users to be more "hip". :)
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1874 [16:06:23] <Mattx> petn-randall, so if both ips are associated to the same net I've no way to choose which one to use because I've no control on that
1875 [16:06:40] <Mattx> but if they're associated with different net interfaces I can use the local address to open a socket through one interface or the other
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1877 [16:08:15] <petn-randall> Mattx: No, if they're assigned to e.g. eth0, you can very well control it. However, as you can see from 'ip addr', you don't control those IP addresses from that machine, but from the firewall/loadbalancer or whatever there is in front of it.
1878 [16:08:30] <petn-randall> Meaning that "thing" is not administered on that machine.
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1880 [16:08:51] <Mattx> how do youcontrol what address to use if that wasn't the case?
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1883 [16:09:26] <Mattx> suppose I want to send a http request to api.ipify.org, and I want it to show my second public address
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1888 [16:10:43] <Mattx> and then another request and it should show me the other
1889 [16:11:13] <Mattx> that's easy using different net interfaces, don't know how it's done in this scenario
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1891 [16:11:50] <Mattx> maybe by changing the primary ip of that interface, but that won't be practical, I can't use both at the same time
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1906 [16:17:22] <dracc> I've installed MariaDB and phpmyadmin. Can't login. How do I do? :(
1907 [16:18:02] <dracc> !help
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1911 [16:18:55] <shtrb|laptop> does the service run ?
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1913 [16:19:05] <shtrb|laptop> *running
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1916 [16:19:35] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, Yup
1917 [16:20:02] <shtrb|laptop> Is the service running on the correct port ?
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1919 [16:20:50] <dracc> Standard port, so I guess/hope so?
1920 [16:21:00] <shtrb|laptop> did you set it up with my.cnf or something else ?
1921 [16:21:13] <shtrb|laptop> if you try to use the command line tool does it connect ?
1922 [16:21:16] <karlpinc> dracc: "can't login" means what? What did you do to try to login and what happened?
1923 [16:21:17] <dracc> I haven't touched any of that yet.
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1925 [16:21:34] <shtrb|laptop> karlpinc, I'm trying to get that info now
1926 [16:21:54] <dracc> karlpinc: Opened replaced-url
1927 [16:22:07] <shtrb|laptop> dracc, have you did any setup other than installing it ?
1928 [16:22:15] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, Nope
1929 [16:22:20] <dracc> Installed it just a minute ago.
1930 [16:22:21] <shtrb|laptop> dracc, who says the password of root is myrootpassowrd ?
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1932 [16:22:41] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, Noone, and myrootpassword is actually ********** :)
1933 [16:22:42] <karlpinc> shtrb|laptop: (There's a handy factoid "doesn't work"?? that helps. IIRC.)
1934 [16:23:04] <shtrb|laptop> karlpinc, such as ?
1935 [16:23:13] <petn-randall> dracc: Logging in with those credentials works fine on the command line?
1936 [16:23:15] <karlpinc> !doesn't work
1937 [16:23:16] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1939 [16:23:46] <shtrb|laptop> dracc, well if no one have set that password and you haven't touched my.cnf the server has no way of knowing that it should be using that
1940 [16:24:01] <shtrb|laptop> why did you decide it's the sql server root password ?
1941 [16:24:59] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, I figured that the mysql root password defaulted to the system root password. Guess I was mistaken. :)
1942 [16:25:47] <shtrb|laptop> I'm guessing there is no root password for you now (you need to set it up )
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1946 [16:26:02] <shtrb|laptop> and never , ever , under no case use the same password
1947 [16:26:09] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, Oh, ok. Tried logging in through phpmyadmin without root password, no avail. :(
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1949 [16:26:58] <shtrb|laptop> forget php use command line tools
1950 [16:27:13] <karlpinc> dracc: Generally best to use the command line client first. That way you isolate the problem. And you can paste here so we can see.
1951 [16:27:24] <dracc> karlpinc, shtrb|laptop Oh, ok
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1953 [16:27:31] <dracc> Command line works.
1954 [16:27:35] <petn-randall> dracc: Why would you think that by default there's *no* password?
1955 [16:27:43] <petn-randall> s/think/expect/
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1958 [16:28:21] <shtrb|laptop> petn-randall, because it was in the past the default (no root password before my.cnf was setup)
1959 [16:28:24] <dracc> petn-randall, /etc/mysql/debian.cnf has empty password lines. That's my line of thought. :)
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1962 [16:29:01] <shtrb|laptop> dracc, when you say command line works does it mean you can connect to the db and run show tables for example ?
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1965 [16:29:55] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, "use information_schema" -> "show tables" gives a whole lot of output. :D
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1967 [16:30:25] <shtrb|laptop> ok , did you insert some password for root when you connected ?
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1969 [16:30:35] <petn-randall> shtrb|laptop: Doesn't it do uid authentication via the socket, though?
1970 [16:30:42] <dracc> shtrb|laptop, Nope.
1971 [16:30:53] <dracc> petn-randall, Probably.
1972 [16:31:08] <shtrb|laptop> petn-randall, I didn't touch it for so much time so I don't know, but it is better to get what he had done
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1976 [16:32:10] <karlpinc> (I seem to recall that apt, at some level of verbosity interaction, asks for and sets a mysql root password upon installation. Could be wrong.)
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1979 [16:32:42] <dracc> karlpinc, I only got that for phpmyadmin :(
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1982 [16:34:16] <DammitJim> I have a hard drive with bad sectors in an LVM
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1984 [16:34:23] <Tenkawa> DammitJim: ouch\
1985 [16:34:29] <DammitJim> if I want to replace that hard drive, I was reading I could do pvmove
1986 [16:34:50] <DammitJim> That obviously requires to have extra sata connections to add the new drive, right?
1987 [16:35:07] <Tenkawa> or some connection
1988 [16:35:19] <DammitJim> or can one run pvmove w/o adding the new hard drive?
1989 [16:35:21] <Tenkawa> a usb-sata bridge
1990 [16:35:28] <Tenkawa> should work
1991 [16:35:31] <shtrb|laptop> karlpinc, that is also what I remembered in the past, but time have changed and he said he didn't setup a root password
1992 [16:35:37] <Tenkawa> "should"
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1994 [16:35:43] <Tenkawa> dont quote me
1995 [16:35:58] <Tenkawa> heh as I use quotes
1996 [16:36:00] <Tenkawa> haahaa
1997 [16:36:27] <petn-randall> DammitJim: Well, were do you want to move it to? Whatever "it" is, in needs to be available as a block device.
1998 [16:36:36] <Tenkawa> exactly
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2001 [16:36:58] <Tenkawa> you'll need to be able to save off the lvm structure
2002 [16:37:15] <Tenkawa> so you can rebuild it
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2004 [16:37:36] <Tenkawa> ie export - import a pv
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2006 [16:38:18] <Tenkawa> metadata backup is always good to keep in general for stuff like this
2007 [16:38:23] <DammitJim> does something like this apply?
2008 [16:38:24] <DammitJim> replaced-url
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2011 [16:39:48] <petn-randall> DammitJim: Maybe, however don't follow a tutorial step-by-step. Instead, understand what each command does, and adapt it where needed.
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2015 [16:40:32] <Tenkawa> thats pretty decent however i do agree with petn-randall ... understand the steps
2016 [16:40:56] <Tenkawa> the main sticky part i can see is the possible bad blocks
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2018 [16:41:30] <Tenkawa> it could make things "interesting"'
2019 [16:41:56] <Tenkawa> key word "backup"
2020 [16:42:07] <Tenkawa> if you can get one... do it!! heehee
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2022 [16:42:42] <petn-randall> Personally, if there are current backups, I wouldn't even attempt to move it via pvmove. I'd just restore from backups and throw away the broken drive.
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2025 [16:43:37] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: well depends on how current he/she can lose
2026 [16:44:02] <Tenkawa> because those extents can cascase
2027 [16:44:11] <Tenkawa> er cascade i agree
2028 [16:44:13] <Tenkawa> however
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2030 [16:44:36] <Tenkawa> cost also becomes a factor
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2033 [16:46:40] <Tenkawa> brb
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2133 [17:32:43] <willmafh> Hello, everyone…I am trying to play with the new os, minoca-os…I am a Linux fan absolutely…I've used Debian for almost five years…I just wanna try this new one…And I want to boot it up in my macbook using qemu … But there seems lack tutorials to teach you how to achieve this… So I have to asking some help here… Is there anyone can give me some help… Any help will be appreciated…
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2144 [17:35:54] <PerfDave> willmafh: Sorry, this channel is for supporting Debian. We won't be able to hlep with Minorca.
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2147 [17:36:59] <annadane> PerfDave, seems like it's maybe more of a QEMU question than a minorca one
2148 [17:37:11] <annadane> or minoca or whatever
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2150 [17:37:14] <PerfDave> annadane: On a Macbook :)
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2155 [17:37:53] <willmafh> PerfDave: Ok…I am sorry…
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2297 [18:29:34] <Dr_Coke> my theme in xfce is screwed after installing kde
2298 [18:29:38] <Dr_Coke> and removing kde
2299 [18:29:47] <Dr_Coke> on debian 9 with xfce
2300 [18:30:02] <Dr_Coke> it's still making my buttons dark
2301 [18:30:12] <Dr_Coke> and parts of the theme like scrollbars dark
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2304 [18:30:27] <Dr_Coke> what do i do
2305 [18:30:29] <mtn> Dr_Coke: which is why I never use the same username for completely different desktops
2306 [18:30:44] <Dr_Coke> mtn oh really?
2307 [18:30:52] <mtn> Dr_Coke: indeed
2308 [18:30:52] <Dr_Coke> if I create a new user
2309 [18:31:00] <Dr_Coke> will it fix my problem
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2312 [18:31:13] <mtn> Dr_Coke: yes, your new user should have clean configs and look fine
2313 [18:31:33] <Dr_Coke> mtn do you know how I clean my config files for this user
2314 [18:31:47] <mtn> Dr_Coke: delete all the affected config files ;)
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2316 [18:32:05] <Dr_Coke> lol
2317 [18:32:14] <Dr_Coke> no idea how or where to do that
2318 [18:32:33] <mtn> Dr_Coke: you could research where xfce keeps its configs ;)
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2320 [18:33:10] <Dr_Coke> thanks
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2331 [18:37:44] <jhutchins_wk> In NFS, there's a way to show what mounts a remote host has from the server, isn't there? "What are we sharing with webserver01?"
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2333 [18:38:47] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: you can probably parse it out of showmount -a
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2335 [18:39:07] <greycat> there doesn't seem to be a way to specify it directly, though
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2343 [18:45:14] <jhutchins_wk> So showmount won't isolate a host.
2344 [18:45:40] <greycat> you've got access to the same man pages I do, and presumably some NFS clients and servers to test with...
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2348 [18:46:15] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, the latter part is the problem, I don't have a test env for it.
2349 [18:46:38] <greycat> ... then ... it's not that important?
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2352 [18:48:04] <jhutchins_wk> Looks like showmount -d host should work, but they say implementation varies.
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2355 [18:49:27] <greycat> Doesn't work on squeeze, at least.
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2359 [18:50:21] <jhutchins_wk> Thanks for that.
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2363 [18:51:49] <greycat> replaced-url
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2367 [18:53:16] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, I'll bet -d shows mounts on a remote share host.
2368 [18:54:00] <greycat> -d server? could be.
2369 [18:54:31] <greycat> The man page is spectacularly unclear.
2370 [18:54:56] <jhutchins_wk> Some are like that.
2371 [18:55:26] <greycat> Oh, first line: "... about the state of the NFS server on that machine."
2372 [18:55:47] <greycat> So I guess it's supposed to be understood that "[ host ]" is always a server, never a client?
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2384 [19:02:59] <jhutchins_wk> Seems likely.
2385 [19:03:11] <jhutchins_wk> So df | grep ":" on the client gets me the list I want.
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2387 [19:03:24] <MACscr> I have linux container setup with debian 8 installed on it. getting certificate errors when i try to wget files from https sites. Am i missing a basic package? replaced-url
2388 [19:03:48] <PerfDave> MACscr: What's the container image you're using?
2389 [19:03:57] <PerfDave> (and why Debian 8 not Debian 9?)
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2391 [19:04:19] <PerfDave> MACscr: replaced-url
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2397 [19:05:06] <MACscr> PerfDave was just a template i already had available on my proxmox box. I dont think the issue is LXC specific besides the fact that its template might be missing some packages that would normally be there by default. idk
2398 [19:05:49] <MACscr> ah, yep. curl wasnt installed
2399 [19:05:49] <MACscr> lol
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2408 [19:08:26] <jhutchins_wk> WHy would missing curl affect wget?
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2412 [19:09:56] <PerfDave> Installing curl Recommends: ca-certificates
2413 [19:10:52] <PerfDave> But since wget Recommends: that as well, I'd be quite suspicious of this "debian 8" docker image.
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2417 [19:12:07] <Dr_Coke> mtn
2418 [19:12:13] <Dr_Coke> dude
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2420 [19:12:20] <Dr_Coke> I deleted that user
2421 [19:12:26] <Dr_Coke> and made the same username
2422 [19:12:44] <Dr_Coke> had to reboot when trying to delete it and all is great
2423 [19:12:53] <Dr_Coke> still got some kde crap in my computer though
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2427 [19:14:24] <JordiGH> One week later, everything's working fine, and I'm still in awe that imaging Debian from one laptop to another actually works.
2428 [19:14:41] <JordiGH> Aside, Thinkpad X1 are awesome laptops, I wish I owned the one I'm using.
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2431 [19:15:23] <PerfDave> JordiGH: Which model do you have? I have a Gen 2 with 1440p screen, am annoyed that later gens have lower resolution and don't use the same docking station connector
2432 [19:15:28] <JordiGH> Gen 5.
2433 [19:15:35] <JordiGH> GazillionP screen
2434 [19:15:38] <PerfDave> Heh
2435 [19:16:02] <annadane> bleh laptops
2436 [19:16:05] <JordiGH> 2560x1440 is apparently the highest resolution I can use.
2437 [19:16:35] <JordiGH> PerfDave: I'm not sure it has a docking station connector, though.
2438 [19:16:37] <annadane> fine if you move around with your computer a bunch, not a comfortable experience if you have a choice between desktop and laptop
2439 [19:16:54] <PerfDave> annadane: YMMV :)
2440 [19:16:58] <annadane> of course
2441 [19:17:07] <JordiGH> annadane: Laptops turn into desktops if you just plug in a keyboard, mouse, and monitor.
2442 [19:17:30] <JordiGH> Or a docking station, I guess.
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2444 [19:17:40] <PerfDave> The Gen1 and Gen2 have an extended power connector for docking station: replaced-url
2445 [19:18:48] <PerfDave> I think Gen 3 onwards use USB-C
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2449 [19:19:40] <JordiGH> Yeah, I have three usb-c connectors here.
2450 [19:19:51] <JordiGH> And another one I haven't been able to figure out what it is.
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2453 [19:20:27] <JordiGH> Sorry, two usb-c's.
2454 [19:20:37] <JordiGH> And a fucking headphone jack like God fucking intended.
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2456 [19:20:57] <JordiGH> I don't know if Apple has removed headphone jacks from laptops, but I bet they'd love to do it courageously.
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2466 [19:25:29] <realist-_> Hello, i am new to Linux and I would like to make sure that i can easily patch my servers from security vulnerabilities, are there any known sophosticated frameworks for that ? or is it just a matter of updating packages automatically with apt-get ?
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2482 [19:29:57] <nicl_l> realist-_: there are answers for all budgets.
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2484 [19:30:20] <annadane> realist-_, there's unattended-upgrades
2485 [19:30:25] <nicl_l> realist-_: if your budget is zero, then you could only install the updates from some security channel.
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2491 [19:30:44] <annadane> but yes, there's also a mailing list you can subscribe to which announces security fixes
2492 [19:30:48] <greycat> You either run apt-get periodically, or you set up unattended-upgrades.
2493 [19:30:51] <miloses> hellou
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2495 [19:30:56] <realist-_> nicl_l: lets say i dont have budget and i do have one
2496 [19:30:58] <annadane> let me check what it is
2497 [19:31:03] <miloses> i want to install debian stretch
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2499 [19:31:12] <nicl_l> In my experience that doesn't work for a desktop system, though.
2500 [19:31:14] <miloses> but i have geforce 7025
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2502 [19:31:24] <realist-_> anantshri: thanks, so we are saying it cant be automated
2503 [19:31:31] <miloses> it use nvidia legacy 304 drivers
2504 [19:31:39] <annadane> realist-_, debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org
2505 [19:31:42] <miloses> is there a problem with debian?
2506 [19:31:45] <nicl_l> realist-_: if you have a lot of money, you would contact one of the larger companies in the area and pay $$$ for a data-feed.
2507 [19:31:51] <greycat> ,info unattended-upgrades
2508 [19:31:53] <judd> Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.93.1+nmu1; Size: 60.2k; Installed: 246k
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2510 [19:32:22] <nicl_l> realist-_: alternatively, you wouldn't use Linux, but instead sel4 and not have to care about it anymore.
2511 [19:32:24] <annadane> miloses, from what little i know, it should be fine
2512 [19:32:44] <annadane> disregarding the fact that nouveau in general kind of sucks
2513 [19:32:44] <nicl_l> realist-_: there are options for everyone. Cheap and perfect is not one of them, unfortunately.
2514 [19:32:52] <realist-_> nicl_l: somehow, i imagined there could be some sort of framework, that allows patches to be applied as quickly and smoothly as possible, if i give them a lot of money (which i dont)
2515 [19:33:08] <miloses> ok. I try stretch last year but is problem
2516 [19:33:12] <miloses> monitor freeze
2517 [19:33:40] <miloses> i disable nouveau
2518 [19:33:42] <nicl_l> realist-_: Red Hat probably also offers that for a limited set of packages. Debian is also not slow for important packages, I think.
2519 [19:33:45] <miloses> but problem again
2520 [19:34:12] <greycat> Debian's security updates are usually quick enough.
2521 [19:34:50] <nicl_l> Most security problems come from misdesign in my experience.
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2523 [19:35:06] <miloses> debian jesie is fine great yob, i use that version
2524 [19:35:07] <nicl_l> For small players that's less of an issue, but then there is also less to lose.
2525 [19:35:36] <annadane> well, jessie is soon to stop receiving full support
2526 [19:35:42] <annadane> in like 2 months
2527 [19:35:43] <realist-_> nicl_l: its just the patching, there's definitely a lot more work needed.
2528 [19:36:08] <miloses> i know that i use for three years ago
2529 [19:36:27] <miloses> but when i install stretch problem is
2530 [19:36:32] <nicl_l> realist-_: also, just as piece of perspective. I don't ever patch a system.
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2532 [19:36:37] <nicl_l> as a*
2533 [19:36:37] <miloses> poor me :(
2534 [19:36:43] <nicl_l> realist-_: I only replace systems.
2535 [19:36:59] <bug> maybe general security discussion unrelated to debian would fit best in ##security?
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2539 [19:37:42] <annadane> miloses, anyway, if you want to use the proprietary nvidia drivers then i can check which one works with your card, i believe it's on the wiki
2540 [19:38:20] <annadane> miloses, replaced-url
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2542 [19:38:38] <miloses> yes, wiki say that for my card i must use nvidia legacy 304.135
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2544 [19:39:28] <annadane> sidenote: i still hate nvidia with the fire of a thousand suns
2545 [19:39:32] <annadane> assholes
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2547 [19:39:58] <miloses> maybe bug is desapery
2548 [19:40:21] <miloses> first i update and upgrade all system
2549 [19:40:29] <miloses> then install legacy
2550 [19:40:37] <miloses> but picture freeze
2551 [19:40:45] <miloses> i try again
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2553 [19:42:11] <annadane> freeze even with the proprietary drivers? odd
2554 [19:42:19] <annadane> i guess a first place to look is ~/.xsession-errors
2555 [19:42:38] <annadane> what desktop are you running?
2556 [19:42:39] <miloses> now i use mint
2557 [19:42:48] <miloses> i had use gnome
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2560 [19:43:32] <miloses> many years I use debian, great system, but when come stretch problem is there :(
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2563 [19:43:59] <greycat> Stretch made a lot of changes to the video drivers and X11. Affects a lot of desktop/laptop users.
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2565 [19:44:15] <miloses> first freeze with nouveau then with legacy restricted
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2567 [19:44:36] <mutante> miloses: try MATE desktop, you will still have Gnome
2568 [19:44:39] <greycat> For whatever it's worth, stretch has been utterly flawless with newer Intel integrated chipsets.
2569 [19:44:42] <miloses> I scare to doit again
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2573 [19:45:13] <greycat> (and by "newer" I mean things that were "newer" at the time of stretch's release)
2574 [19:45:41] <bug> stretch is better for amd support, at least for me.
2575 [19:45:54] <miloses> i have am4 cpu
2576 [19:45:57] <mutante> miloses: if you want it to be like Gnome 2 was, replaced-url
2577 [19:46:01] <miloses> amd
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2579 [19:46:08] <annadane> note to all linux users: avoid nvidia like the fucking plague
2580 [19:46:11] <annadane> not worth it
2581 [19:46:35] <jelly> except where alternatives are even worse
2582 [19:46:45] <greycat> Support for nvidia vs. AMD seems to fluctuate over time.
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2584 [19:47:05] <miloses> no mate i hate mate :)
2585 [19:47:14] <jelly> (ask people what they prefer for gpu-aided video editing and transcoding)
2586 [19:47:15] <greycat> I think there were some years where nvidia support was slightly better than AMD support. Right now it's the reverse.
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2590 [19:47:52] <annadane> because they refuse to work with nouveau
2591 [19:47:54] <miloses> tomorow i try stretch again
2592 [19:48:00] <miloses> maybe kernel problem?
2593 [19:48:07] <jelly> (and whether mesa amdgpu or nvidia blob conform more with OpenGL)
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2740 [20:58:14] <darsie> How do I import pics from an MTP camera?
2741 [20:58:30] <darsie> Can I do it with gthumb?
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2748 [21:01:14] <mutante> darsie: i also found it super annoying how it's not just USB mass storage anymore that just automountes.. but since i installed "libmtp-common" and "libmtp-runtime" i think that is what made it work
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2750 [21:02:04] <darsie> already have those.
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2752 [21:02:17] <mutante> darsie: replaced-url
2753 [21:02:23] <darsie> thx
2754 [21:02:44] <mutante> since i'm on Gnome, maybe it was "Install package gvfs-backends "
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2758 [21:02:55] <darsie> have that, too.
2759 [21:02:59] <darsie> I use xfce.
2760 [21:03:05] <mutante> hrmm.. i just remmeber it was super annoying :p
2761 [21:03:08] <mutante> until it worked
2762 [21:03:19] <darsie> Can I do it with gthumb?
2763 [21:03:24] <mutante> but i did stuff from that wiki page
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2765 [21:04:13] <mutante> " It's designed for GNOME desktop environment and uses its platform. For
2766 [21:04:13] <mutante> camera import feature, the gPhoto2 library is used.
2767 [21:04:58] <mutante> re: gthumb .. so i suppose the answer is wheter gPhoto2 supports it , and gphoto.org seems to say yes.. so i think .. Yes
2768 [21:05:36] <mutante> as long as the version is "newer" Newer libgphoto2 versions also support Media Transfer Protocol ...
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2783 [21:22:29] <Learnerwind> Hey. I am choosing the desktop enviroment. I like cinnamon but it is kind of buggy. So I want some of it's features on lxde. I want the 'toggle scale' (show all windows of an workspace and allow me to select between them with arrow keys) and 'toggle expo' (show all workspaces and allow me to select between them with arrow keys). Could someone recommend me an desktop enviroment?
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2808 [21:37:24] <phogg> Learnerwind: those sound like compositor tricks and not necessarily tied to your window manager (certainly not to your DE)
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2811 [21:38:17] <MACscr> any idea why this ssh connection is hanging? have both the client and server here replaced-url
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2817 [21:39:27] <darsie> I can't transfer files from an android phone with MTP :(.
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2825 [21:44:33] <nkuttler> !tell darsie about errors
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2833 [21:48:13] <nohop> How come npm (package manager for Node.js) is no longer in debian?
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2836 [21:49:06] <greycat> ,v npm
2837 [21:49:07] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
2838 [21:49:18] * greycat shrugs
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2840 [21:49:51] <nohop> It's strange. Put it back :)
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2849 [21:56:07] <darsie> I installed various packages to get MTP working, removed some suspecting they might grab MTP connection from each other, hopefully none that were already installed. When I connect the phone gthumb opens three import windows with the picture from the folter containing Windows MTP software.
2850 [21:56:14] <darsie> now my friend took the phone.
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2852 [21:56:21] <darsie> I didn't see the video.
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2862 [22:03:41] <karlpinc> nohop: IIRC, there was something in one of the release notes about nobody wanting to maintain npm because there were an impossible number of security patches to backport. Or something. Could be wrong. I'm sure you could find something in the bug tracking system.
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2869 [22:04:43] <greycat> #857986 is my first google result
2870 [22:04:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2871 [22:05:30] <karlpinc> darsie: I used mtp-tools for a bit. It was a giant pain. The phone would disconnect if you didn't keep the screen alive by touching it, and on and on.
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2884 [22:09:37] <ejr> which mailhandler does debian use by default?
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2887 [22:10:22] <bug> darsie, give replaced-url
2888 [22:10:25] <karlpinc> ejr: Last I paid attention exim4 was the default MTA. Does that answer the question? (It's easy to switch.)
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2890 [22:10:43] <ejr> karlpinc: yes, thanks
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2893 [22:11:56] <annadane> ejr, there's a few of them but i don't think any MTA comes installed by default
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2896 [22:14:22] <darsie> I watched the video on a mac.
2897 [22:14:23] <karlpinc> bug: I remember strange stuff about MTA, where stuff goes, and the file system. Does direct access to the file system really work for media files (or does MTA have other magic built-in)?
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2900 [22:15:22] <annadane> question, where can you put a list of autojoin channels for hexchat, like a config file?
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2903 [22:16:01] <karlpinc> annadane: (You get an MTA installed if you install "enough" stuff. A minimal install won't install an MTA, but other degrees of installation will.)
2904 [22:16:05] <bug> karlpinc, you mean mtp? yes, ums enabler gives you stand mass storage back for your sdcard. mtp is broken and useless imo.
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2906 [22:16:20] <karlpinc> bug: MTP, yes.
2907 [22:16:22] <annadane> exim4 is indeed the de facto default, though
2908 [22:16:24] <annadane> AFAIK
2909 [22:16:29] <bug> standard*
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2911 [22:16:44] <annadane> s/default/standard/*
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2913 [22:17:11] <karlpinc> bug: MTP is a royal pain. Maybe you need it if the phone isn't rooted. ? I don't recall all my problems.
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2916 [22:18:35] <karlpinc> bug: You didn't _used_ to need it, but as of some android update (8.0, 7.x ??) I found I had to.
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2918 [22:20:10] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: exim4 is what you get if you pick "mail server" on the installer.
2919 [22:20:22] <annadane> fair
2920 [22:21:00] <tw> fwiw, sendmail is probably the de facto standard. Most other smtpds implement a sendmail interface.
2921 [22:21:28] <annadane> also fair
2922 [22:21:34] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Mostly for historical reasons, but yeah, sendmail is big daddy.
2923 [22:21:42] <bug> karlpinc, another option is to install android-tools-adb and use that to transfer/backup files.
2924 [22:21:48] <jhutchins_wk> tw: It can do a lot of things that aren't documented anywhere I know of.
2925 [22:22:01] <karlpinc> bug: That's a good idea.
2926 [22:22:04] <greycat> well, /usr/sbin/sendmail is a de facto standard, but that is simply "piping a message to this black box command", not a real protocol or anything
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2928 [22:22:24] <greycat> every major MTA implements a /usr/sbin/sendmail work-alike program that can inject a new message received from stdin
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2934 [22:26:17] <karlpinc> What's the apt command that shows me what repo (main, non-free, contrib) a package comes from? "apt-cache madison <pkg>" works, but I thought there was another way.
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2938 [22:27:13] <CarlFK> these 2 should work together, but the server side avahi doesn't seem to be: replaced-url
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2940 [22:28:10] <annadane> karlpinc, apt show foo?
2941 [22:28:14] <annadane> without the ?
2942 [22:29:54] <CarlFK> on a client: /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover - nothing.
2943 [22:30:19] <CarlFK> on the server, poking around I see: head /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy/init-common.sh ...
2944 [22:30:19] <CarlFK> AVAHIFILE=/etc/avahi/services/squid-deb-proxy.service
2945 [22:30:33] <CarlFK> but ls: cannot access '/etc/avahi/services/': No such file or directory
2946 [22:31:17] <karlpinc> annadane: That works too, and probably also is not what I was thinking of. But thanks. I'm just poking about with apt related commands. No particular need.
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2952 [22:34:21] <karlpinc> CarlFK: Don't know anything about it. But one often needs to "systemctl enable foo; systemctl start foo" to get a daemon turned on by default and started, respectively. (As in, is the server running and listening? How do you know?)
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2954 [22:35:27] <CarlFK> karlpinc: the squid part is running. the avahi part isn't, and im not sure how it would given the lack of /etc/avahi/services/
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2956 [22:37:24] <babilen> karlpinc: apt-cache policy <pkg> ?
2957 [22:40:06] <karlpinc> babilen: Thanks. That's what I was thinking of.
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2960 [22:41:41] <karlpinc> CarlFK: If you haven't enabled the service with systemctl then who really knows what part of what systemd has not messed with? ;-) Also, always a good idea to read /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian{,.gz}.
2961 [22:42:57] * karlpinc always turns off avahi
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2968 [22:45:15] <CarlFK> In a simple setup all you need to do is ... install it. did that. no avahi.
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2977 [22:48:19] <karlpinc> CarlFK: Looked at the logs? (Just running down my debugging checklist....)
2978 [22:49:33] <CarlFK> Apr 20 15:22:29 pc8 systemd[1]: Started LSB: Squid Deb Package HTTP Proxy.
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2983 [22:51:42] <CarlFK> replaced-url
2984 [22:51:53] <CarlFK> how about ensure it is created ;)
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2988 [22:53:53] <karlpinc> CarlFK: Have you looked at the squid-deb-proxy and squid-deb-proxy-client packages? (If that's the fix, file a bug report and tell the package maintainers to make a note in the README.Debian.)
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2991 [22:54:29] <CarlFK> client side works fine
2992 [22:54:47] <CarlFK> what do you mean by "look at the package" ?
2993 [22:55:18] <karlpinc> CarlFK: Dunno. Seems like if it got removed, it probably got put into a separate package or something.
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2995 [22:56:07] <CarlFK> your help is very noisy ;/
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2997 [22:56:46] <karlpinc> CarlFK: I'm not contributing anything that's specific to your problem, just general daemon debugging.
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2999 [22:57:04] <CarlFK> I can confirm the lack of contribution ;)
3000 [22:57:07] <karlpinc> CarlFK: You are my background task.
3001 [22:57:29] <CarlFK> what is the dkpg thing to re-run the install scripts?
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3006 [22:59:09] <karlpinc> CarlFK: dpkg-reconfigure
3007 [22:59:57] <karlpinc> CarlFK: There can be various levels of re-configuration. As usual today, I forget the details. :-)
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3009 [23:00:00] <CarlFK> -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
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3012 [23:00:57] <karlpinc> CarlFK: It's in the "debconf" package.
3013 [23:01:33] <karlpinc> CarlFK: Which should be installed. But you have to be root to run it.
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3015 [23:03:20] <CarlFK> ah right. that.
3016 [23:03:26] <CarlFK> still no '/etc/avahi/services/' dir
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3018 [23:04:55] <greycat> Is it part of the package, or is it generated at runtime?
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3020 [23:05:05] <greycat> If it's part of the package, /msg dpkg confmiss
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3022 [23:06:01] <greycat> Also make sure you have identified the ACTUAL package that it's supposed to be in, because debian loves to split things into a billion stupid packages.
3023 [23:06:01] <CarlFK> greycat: not sure - it is referenced in ... replaced-url
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3025 [23:06:59] <greycat> ,file etc/avahi/services
3026 [23:07:03] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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3028 [23:08:06] <CarlFK> Im' floundering around trying to figure out why a client doesn't find the server. testing on the client is easy: /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover - returns nothing,
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3030 [23:08:32] <greycat> I think you need someone who actually knows this thing.
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3032 [23:10:44] <bdax> My computer just froze up twice in a row, the first time cutting out and rebooting itself, the second I rebooted it manually. I'm using Debian Stretch. Any advice on debugging this? Which log files are relevant? Both times it was coming out of (hybrid) sleep and I noticed the clock was wrong while it was frozen after waking (an hour ahead), now the clock is normal, having rebooted
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3034 [23:11:35] <bdax> I'm using sysvinit, if that's relevant
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3038 [23:12:48] <karlpinc> bdax: Start with /var/log/messages.
3039 [23:13:23] <karlpinc> bdax: /var/log/syslog I think has nearly everything but security related stuff.
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3041 [23:14:59] <bdax> thank you karlpinc
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3049 [23:16:25] <karlpinc> bdax: Other questions which have bubbled into my head: How new is this computer?
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3053 [23:17:51] <karlpinc> bdax: Seems like one of those things that sometimes fixes itself with a newer kernel. Unless it's hardware. Never hurts to run memtest86+, overnight. Although in this case that probably wouldn't have anything to do with sleeping.
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3055 [23:18:45] <karlpinc> bdax: What has changed recently? Did this always happen?
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3057 [23:19:16] <bdax> karlpinc: well I'm not sure, it's a manufacture-refurbished model, quite new to me, but otherwise I don't know
3058 [23:19:22] <bdax> and I don't think anything has changed recently
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3060 [23:19:34] <bdax> I'll post a section of the log, first glance says it's the wifi
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3064 [23:20:26] <karlpinc> CarlFK: Does "ss -ltn" say that there's a listening TCP port. (Assuming this uses TCP and not UDP or whatever.) Try starting the daemon manually, from the command line and see if it spits out any error messages. Etc.
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3074 [23:22:03] <bdax> replaced-url
3075 [23:22:16] <bdax> that from /var/log/messages
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3077 [23:22:48] <bdax> 22:06 was when it was booted back up, I'm not sure when I put it to sleep
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3080 [23:24:36] <bdax> replaced-url
3081 [23:24:40] <bdax> the same period from syslog
3082 [23:24:41] <CarlFK> how do I echo the script lines.. this didn't do it: set -ex; sudo service squid-deb-proxy restart
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3099 [23:32:07] <jhutchins_wk> Is there a switch for ssh that will automatically add the host to known_hosts when you're running a loop against new hosts?
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3101 [23:33:41] <CarlFK> jhutchins - don't think so. there is an option to ignore that bit (doesn't ask, doesn't save)
3102 [23:34:07] <qman> not in one step I don't think, but there is a way to add a host
3103 [23:34:20] <qman> ssh-keyscan -H <hostname> >> ~/.ssh/known_hosts
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3105 [23:35:08] <jhutchins_wk> qman: Yeah, I could run that first...
3106 [23:35:26] <jhutchins_wk> I'll try that with the next batch
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3128 [23:45:20] <frew> I am trying to use Xmonad 0.13 on Debian unstable and somehow I am in a situation where some related libraries (libghc-xmonad-dev, for example) depend on stuff that is not in any of my apt repos (libghc-x11-dev-1.8-e8e69)
3129 [23:45:36] <frew> Did I do something stupid or is this just missing deps on unstable, or both?
3130 [23:46:23] <frew> (I literally only have two lines in my sources.list, deb and deb-src for unstable's main, contrib, and non-free)
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3132 [23:46:41] <karlpinc> jhutchins: -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no
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3134 [23:47:32] <karlpinc> jhutchins: man ssh_config
3135 [23:48:22] <karlpinc> frew: That's the sort of question to ask in #debian-next
3136 [23:49:01] <frew> ok, I can ask there; thanks
3137 [23:49:04] <shomon> replaced-url
3138 [23:49:36] <frew> ah, can't just join that channel
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3140 [23:51:15] <frew> karlpinc: can you invite me? I can just move on if need be.
3141 [23:51:42] <at0m> frew: debian-next is on another IRC network: irc.oftc.net
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3143 [23:51:49] <frew> ah funny
3144 [23:51:58] <frew> so there is one here but it's not a real one
3145 [23:51:59] <frew> thanks
3146 [23:52:01] <frew> or something
3147 [23:52:01] <at0m> !tell frew about testing
3148 [23:53:34] <at0m> shomon: do you even have an eth0 interface? or is it called differently? run this: "ip a" to find out
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3152 [23:54:18] <at0m> shomon: could be called something like enp3s0 now
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3154 [23:55:03] <at0m> shomon: adjust your networking config accordingly
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3160 [23:58:21] <jhutchins> Is there a way for root to launch a script that will always run as another user?
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3162 [23:59:09] <jhutchins> I know forinstance apache is launched by root but drops to user apache, but I don't know if that's in the init script or the binary.
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