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• 11[00:10:05] <bug> i like this channel because occasionally someone says something i understand and i learn something.
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• 17[00:12:18] <mischief> hi, when i run startx startxfce4, xfce runs but it also spawns an xterm that appears to be hosting the xfce session. if i close the xterm, my x session dies. any idea why that is?
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• 20[00:14:45] <rant> mischief: echo "startxfce4" > .xsession && xinit
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• 24[00:15:31] <rant> if you do it that way, making an .xsession file and using xinit, there will be no terminal
• 25[00:15:48] <mischief> i already have a .xinitrc and use startx. usually i use openbox but i wanted to test drive xfce4.
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• 27[00:16:25] <mischief> when i run 'startx' without an argument, openbox runs and no xterm is created, so why does it happen with startxfce4?
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• 29[00:17:14] <rant> no clue, I never used startx
• 30[00:17:17] <abrotman> you're not using a DM?
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• 32[00:17:29] <mischief> a what
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• 35[00:17:57] <rant> mischief: a display manager, it presents you with a graphical login screen where you can login and choose the session type
• 36[00:18:12] <mischief> absolutely not.
• 37[00:18:12] <abrotman> GDM KDM SLIM etc ..
• 38[00:18:16] <abrotman> a GUI login manager
• 39[00:18:43] <doubledutch> I do not use a DM
• 40[00:18:47] <doubledutch> I only use i3 as a WM
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• 42[00:19:00] <rant> you can also use chooswm in your .xsession and have a list to choose from when x starts
• 43[00:19:04] <abrotman> and yes, you sohuld use .xsession
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• 47[00:19:45] <rant> ,info choosewm
• 48[00:19:47] <judd> Package choosewm (x11, extra) in stretch/amd64: fake x-session-manager allowing the user to choose a wm. Version: 0.1.6-3+b2; Size: 17.5k; Installed: 66k; Screenshot: replaced-url
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• 51[00:20:55] <aaro> mischief, why don't you change your .xinitrc file to start xfec4 instead of openbox?
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• 63[00:28:39] <RM982> what's the proper tool for tasks scheduling in a system that is not permanently online?
• 64[00:28:42] <RM982> anacron?
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• 66[00:30:19] <abrotman> online or powered on ?
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• 68[00:30:45] <RM982> powered on
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• 71[00:31:50] <abrotman> Yes, I believe anacron should cover that.
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• 73[00:32:22] <aaro> mischief, to run without modifying .xinitrc you must add the complete path to startxfce4 ie startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
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• 79[00:36:27] <awal1> mischief, as aaro told you, use "startx /usr/bin/startxfce4" if you want to call xfce nstead of calling .xsession/.xinitrc; 'startx' calls those files
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• 81[00:37:09] <mischief> awal1: i did that. it creates an xterm as i described, which is undesirable
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• 86[00:40:01] <awal1> mischief, what do you have exactly in your .xinitrc and how you call xfce?
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• 94[00:44:01] <mischief> awal1: my .xinitrc contains my old session; ssh agent, some xterms, and exec openbox at the bottom.
• 95[00:44:17] <mischief> i am running startx startxfce4, which i assumed did not execute .xinitrc
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• 97[00:44:29] <mischief> (i am pretty sure it doesn't, otherwise i'd get exec openbox..)
• 98[00:44:42] <awal1> we told you run the following command:
• 99[00:44:51] <awal1> startx /usr/bin/startxfce4
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• 102[00:45:53] <mischief> same difference
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• 111[00:47:06] <abrotman> "same thing as what I'm already doing" in this context
• 112[00:47:09] <mischief> apparently not, i stand corrected
• 113[00:47:19] <mischief> using the full path does not spawn an xterm hosting the session
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• 117[00:47:43] <mischief> startx startxfc4 -> xterm, startx /usr/bin/starxfce4 -> no xterm. odd.
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• 120[00:50:33] <aaro> it's in the startx man page, when startx arguments don't start with / or . they're appended to the existing session arguments
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• 127[00:54:30] <awal1> mschief, as we told you, use the full paths located in /usr/bin when you want to call another WM/DE instead of calling .xinitrc/.xsession
• 128[00:54:36] <mischief> roger
• 129[00:55:47] <awal1> in your case, when running 'startx /usr/bin/startxfce4' you are telling 'startx' to call the 'former' which calls the executable 'xfce4-session'
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• 132[00:58:15] <awal1> mischief, why calling just openbox and not openbox-session?
• 133[00:58:31] <awal1> I guess it is a choice ?
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• 143[01:07:18] <mischief> "DESCRIPTION
• 144[01:07:19] <mischief> openbox-session runs an openbox session without any session manager. Without a session manager, you will not be able to save your state
• 145[01:07:21] <mischief> from one log in to the next.
• 146[01:07:30] <mischief> that is not a feature that i need really.
• 147[01:08:20] <mischief> for years i have just put <exec window-manager-of-my-choosing> in .xinitrc and called startx after logging in, and it's always worked fine.
• 148[01:08:47] <mischief> i don't need desktop managers, desktop environments, toolbars, notifiers, session managers or any of that crap
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• 165[01:16:45] <mischief> another question, anyone know how to remove a single hotkey for gtk3/xfce terminal? i want to unbind F11/fullscreen shortcut key.
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• 170[01:21:11] <michael2> does anyone know how to target the "main" section in an aptitude search?
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• 173[01:22:00] <michael2> e.g. I can run this to target "non-free": aptitude search '?section(non-free)?installed'
• 174[01:22:37] <michael2> but: aptitude search '?section(main)?installed' prints nothing
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• 176[01:24:09] <abrotman> how about using a "not non-free" and "not contrib" ?
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• 178[01:25:42] <michael2> abrotman: yeah, that works :)
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• 186[01:28:13] <michael2> it would be great if aptitude had a command which just printed what it recognises as sections/archive/origins for a given apt sources config
• 187[01:28:46] <dvs> like apt-cache?
• 188[01:29:40] <michael2> dvs: yeah Im just trying that now, i think `apt-cache policy' shows the orign for a given package
• 189[01:30:08] <dvs> yes
• 190[01:30:22] <michael2> but that adds a level of indirection, I have to find a package from the section, dump out its packages entry, work backwards ...
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• 331[01:36:55] <Thedarkb-X40> UUuuugh bleh
• 332[01:36:56] <michael2> abrotman: print lists of packages which are filtered by the section (main, non-free, contrib) or archive (backports/updates/, stretch, etc)
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• 337[01:36:58] <lempamo> ey
• 338[01:36:59] <Thedarkb-X40> Not this shit again.
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• 346[01:37:04] <lempamo> why
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• 361[01:37:19] <jkemppainen> let's just ignore it ... answering when the spammer does it only disrupts the channel further
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• 391[01:37:37] <Thedarkb-X40> Probably l0de again.
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• 431[01:46:24] <michael2> abrotman: a specific use case of why i want to do that is to print a list into the terminal of all packages which have avaiable security upgrades
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• 450[01:58:45] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 452[01:59:14] * abrotman sees only bots ..
• 453[01:59:21] <johnfg> I've got a few annoying things since I upgraded my jessie server to stretch, about a month (or less ago).
• 454[01:59:46] <johnfg> One of them, is a message to root, that I get, about a php job that won't run.
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• 456[02:00:06] <johnfg> I don't want or need it to run, but I can't figure out where it's coming from so I can delete it.
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• 460[02:00:47] <johnfg> Here it is: Subject: Cron <root@church> [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean
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• 462[02:01:05] <johnfg> next line: /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean: 34: /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean: php5: not found
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• 464[02:01:21] <johnfg> But, where's the cron entry that's trying to run this?
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• 467[02:01:35] <abrotman> /var/spool/cron/* ? /etc/crontab ? /etc/cron.d/ ?
• 468[02:04:10] <johnfg> abrotman: Although I'd looked before, just before you posted, I found the culprit in /etc/cron.d
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• 472[02:04:53] <johnfg> abrotman: Do you think I think I should keep the php and delete the php5? The latter is what's causing the errors.
• 473[02:05:09] <johnfg> I can paste both for you to look at
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• 478[02:07:01] <johnfg> abrotman: delete the php5?
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• 480[02:07:36] <ShapeShifter499> hi
• 481[02:08:57] <dvs> johnfg, I'm surprised that php5 isn't a dependent of php
• 482[02:10:14] <ShapeShifter499> I'm running a debian box with a bridge (brctl) and some raspberry pi zeros in usb ethernet gadget mode. If one of the raspberry pis reboots it fails to grab a IP until I reload the bridge. Does anyone know what I should set up to make sure the bridge properly reloads the bridged devices on reconnect?
• 483[02:11:06] <ShapeShifter499> I have my bridge settings in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 485[02:11:24] <michael2> dvs: as of php 7 I thought the packages got renamed? so that php pointed to the current version (which is 7) - so in that case you wouldn't want php5 as a dependency of `php'
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• 488[02:12:05] <michael2> but if you need php5 - for whatever reason - you can get it by installing `php5-X'
• 489[02:12:10] <michael2> but I could be wrong
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• 491[02:12:46] <ShapeShifter499> this is my bridge settings replaced-url
• 492[02:13:23] <johnfg> michael2: dvs: I don't need 5 any more, but having upgraded to 7 (I wish we had 7.2.4) some of the php5 stuff hung around.
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• 494[02:14:24] <johnfg> Do you think I should just delete the php5 file under /etc/cron.d?
• 495[02:14:42] <abrotman> or mark it -x with chmod ?
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• 498[02:15:58] <dvs> /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean is not executable?
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• 500[02:16:41] <johnfg> abrotman: I decided to must move it, and see if there are any errors, and if not, I'll delete it.
• 501[02:17:02] <abrotman> your call
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• 503[02:18:38] <michael2> looks like it just clean up excess session files -presumably to save disk space. you could print current avaiable space `df -h' and use your judgement if its still needed?
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• 505[02:18:55] <johnfg> dvs: No, for the reason that php5 is not found.
• 506[02:19:03] <dvs> ah
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• 508[02:19:09] <johnfg> sessionclean under /usr/lib/php runs fine.
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• 510[02:20:20] <johnfg> Thanks guys. By working through it with you, i found and fixed the problem. Now I won't have beaucoup msgs from cron in the morning :-)
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• 513[02:21:10] <dvs> Ahhh... sessionclean is now under /usr/lib/php, not php5
• 514[02:21:50] <johnfg> dvs: Both actually, but the one under php5 won't run because of php7.
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• 516[02:22:46] <dvs> johnfg, well, apparently it's run by something if you are getting that error.
• 517[02:22:57] <michael2> johnfg: is it a pretty busy server?
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• 520[02:23:43] <bigMouthCommie> what is the best package to use for golang?
• 521[02:23:58] <bigMouthCommie> i'm trying to install replaced-url
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• 533[02:36:13] <permalink> hello. i'm on Debian 9 Stretch and when i turn on the PC it takes about 2 minutes for the internet connection to establish
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• 535[02:37:08] <permalink> this started to manifest awhile ago and idk what might be the cause . any ideas what can i check ? what logs should i check and for what info ?
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• 537[02:37:19] <dvs> same here so that no different for me.
• 538[02:37:23] <abrotman> anything in dmesg?
• 539[02:37:46] <permalink> i suspect ther might be an update that fucked up something
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• 544[02:40:09] <permalink> abrotman i found something in dmesg
• 545[02:40:19] <permalink> r8169 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-2)
• 546[02:40:51] <permalink> 8169 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw failed with error -2
• 547[02:40:51] <permalink> [ 2.980703] r8169 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-2)
• 548[02:40:52] <permalink> [ 2.992814] r8169 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0: link down
• 549[02:40:52] <permalink> [ 2.992817] r8169 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0: link down
• 550[02:40:52] <permalink> [ 2.992873] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): enp3s0: link is not ready
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• 553[02:41:27] * hyperlumic facepalms.
• 554[02:42:09] <abrotman> well, I'd probably start by installing that firmware
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• 559[02:45:07] <permalink> sorry . idk what is the char limit per message
• 560[02:45:32] <abrotman> ugh
• 561[02:45:37] <abrotman> permalink: install the firmware to start
• 562[02:45:43] <abrotman> it's not character, it's line limit
• 563[02:45:55] <abrotman> the channel topic tells you not to paste
• 564[02:46:02] <annadane> for future reference, paste.debian.net for anything longer than 2 lines
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• 573[02:53:36] <rant> if there were a char limit i'd have been k-lined years ago
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• 604[03:09:47] <ShapeShifter499> fixed it
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• 607[03:10:32] <ShapeShifter499> I needed to add a line like 'allow-hotplug eth1' to my /etc/network/interfaces file
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• 618[03:18:52] <grider> ++
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• 624[03:23:22] <karlpinc> ShapeShifter499: If you're on squeeze, so long as your in /etc/network/interfaces, you might want to switch from the eth* style names to the enp* style names for interface names -- as will be required for the next release. See: /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz Or even better: replaced-url
• 625[03:24:46] <karlpinc> (Ugh. The latter link seems to A) format suckly B) require javascript (or cookies or something.)
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• 627[03:25:13] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: I'm running a modified arm build for a device called a Pogoplug pro/v3 replaced-url
• 628[03:26:03] <ShapeShifter499> might be different then that
• 629[03:26:38] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: why the name change?
• 630[03:26:56] <karlpinc> ShapeShifter499: I seem to remember the pogoplugs. Could be different, given that it's ARM so the kernel would not have the same hardware problems.
• 631[03:27:22] <ShapeShifter499> I seem to remember being able to switch to predictable names in Arch Linux, will it be the same for Debian
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• 633[03:27:33] <karlpinc> ShapeShifter499: I don't really know, but get the feeling that it has to do with name persistance. Might be some more sideway-ness introduced by systemd.
• 634[03:28:24] <bigMouthCommie> i want to get my gmail to my local mail spool, but my partition for /var/ isn't big enough. i don't mind symlinking it to another disk, but i got a message that linking across devices is disallowed?? any suggestions for queueing a gigantic number of emails in the spool?
• 635[03:29:11] <karlpinc> ShapeShifter499: It's not hard, but something that must be done, and totall breaks networking if done wrong. I found the docs to be sloppy, like it does not say if the numbering is in hex or decimal, etc., so telling what your new network device name is ahead of time involved a way too much work.
• 636[03:30:01] <karlpinc> bigMouthCommie: You could mount another partition on /var/.
• 637[03:30:48] <karlpinc> bigMouthCommie: Or /var/spool/mail/ or whatever. While you're at it you could think about LVM, which makes this sort of problem easier to resolve.
• 638[03:31:43] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: I'm just using my Pogoplug as a bridge for 4 raspberry pi zeros in usb ethernet gadget mode
• 639[03:32:07] <ShapeShifter499> but I might also run a ZNC bouncer on the device at some point
• 640[03:32:19] <karlpinc> ShapeShifter499: A pogoplug is the same as a shiva, right?
• 641[03:32:23] <ShapeShifter499> works pretty well from what I can tell
• 642[03:33:19] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: sheevaplug? similar but different processor than my Pogoplug
• 643[03:33:34] <karlpinc> ShapeShifter499: Where do I rtfm about "ethernet gadget mode"? You can answer in #debian-offtopic.
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• 647[03:36:17] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: see my messages there then
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• 649[03:37:03] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: I'm in ##debian-offtopic
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• 651[03:38:16] <ShapeShifter499> karlpinc: I'm sorry I misspelled the chats
• 652[03:38:23] <ShapeShifter499> I'm in the correct room now :p
• 653[03:41:05] <bigMouthCommie> karlpinc: thank you
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• 659[03:48:57] <bigMouthCommie> karlpinc: i found that linking /home/user/.mail/user to /var/mail/user didn't work, but the other direction did work. did i break something, or will this have the desired effect?
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• 745[04:47:05] <mchammerdad> Hey guys, just threw up a fresh install of Debian 9.3 on a New PC at my house. When it came up it shows the networking as "up" however I cannot get any network connectivity. The only thing I can successfully ping is myself. Where should I start?
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• 747[04:48:10] <bigMouthCommie> mchammerdad: sudo ifup
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• 750[04:49:28] <bug> wifi or cable? if wifi, did you log in?
• 751[04:49:32] <mchammerdad> bigMouthCommie, I've already Ifdown and ifup'd a few times. Logs show "link ready"
• 752[04:49:39] <mchammerdad> Its hardwired.
• 753[04:50:06] <annadane> btw, newest debian is 9.4
• 754[04:50:22] <annadane> if it's the net install it shouldn't matter too much
• 755[04:50:44] <mchammerdad> It was a dvd of "everything" previously I had ubuntu 15.x running on it without issue.
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• 762[04:53:38] <annadane> (curiously, my net install of 9.2 ran into problems so i always take the time these days to just burn to usb the latest)
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• 765[04:55:12] <mchammerdad> I believe my issue to be very low level, my managed switch reports 0 RX packets from the port in question. (it send 120 so far, likely just broadcasts).
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• 768[04:57:40] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: So, hardwired?
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• 770[04:58:06] <bug> can you browse to your router config?
• 771[04:58:31] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, yes hardwired.
• 772[04:58:58] <mchammerdad> bug, I dont' even have layer 2 connectivity (that I can tell) I don't think its a router issue.
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• 774[04:59:49] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: After pinging your arp table is empty? (Use "arp" by itself to dump the table.)
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• 777[05:00:15] <dvs> annadane, why are you burning a new usb to get to the next version?
• 778[05:00:23] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Start at the bottom. Is the cable good? Switch it out or use a known good cable.
• 779[05:00:39] <annadane> because as i said one of the net installs wouldn't update all the packages
• 780[05:00:47] <annadane> and sometimes point releases fix the installer
• 781[05:00:58] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, cable is good, switch is good.
• 782[05:01:18] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, I dont' have the "arp" command
• 783[05:01:31] <dvs> annadane, but once it's installed, you can just upgrade to newer packages without a new iso
• 784[05:01:41] <mchammerdad> however I do have "arpd" and after running it I do have 2 entired (default gateway and the switch) but it says "failed" next to the mac.
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• 786[05:01:54] <mchammerdad> *entries*
• 787[05:02:13] <annadane> ok but i'd rather take the time to just do it anyway
• 788[05:02:25] <dvs> mmmmmmmkay
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• 790[05:02:48] <bug> no mac filtering on the hardware?
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• 794[05:03:22] <mchammerdad> bug, nope.
• 795[05:03:42] <mchammerdad> before I wiped the ubuntu install it was working great.
• 796[05:03:47] <mchammerdad> definately a software issue I'm thinking.
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• 798[05:04:21] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Arp entries time out, and show failed after that. You need to "use them" or lose them. Perhaps try ping in one window and show the arp table in another?
• 799[05:04:35] <mchammerdad> how do I confirm layer 2 is setup properly (negotiation speed duplex and whatnot) is there a command for that?
• 800[05:04:47] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, I have tried that.
• 801[05:04:48] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Could be non-free firmware.
• 802[05:05:12] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, keep in mind regardless of what I do on the box, my managed switch shows 0 packets TX'd from my interface.
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• 804[05:05:38] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, how do I confirm on the firmware side?
• 805[05:05:58] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Take a look at dmsg or maybe /var/log/messages and grep for "firmware".
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• 809[05:07:04] <bug> oh, yeh. even ethernet interfaces can need non-free firmware. is it included on the dvd?
• 810[05:07:35] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: You can also do "lspci -nn" and give us the pciid of the device. (I think we can then use the judd bot to help. See "/msg dpkg pciid")
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• 812[05:08:16] <mchammerdad> I think I found an error in messages
• 813[05:08:23] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: "apt-cache search xxx" for the device name also turns up firmware. (It's been a while since I've done this.)
• 814[05:08:29] <mchammerdad> failed to load firmware on enp2s0 with error -2
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• 816[05:08:45] <mchammerdad> "firmware patch" actually is what it states
• 817[05:08:56] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Often, it's just simpler to use the unofficial non-free installer that contains non-free firmware.
• 818[05:09:28] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Sounds like we've identified the probem, now for the solution. The installation manual has a section on non-free firmware and how to install it.
• 819[05:09:31] <mchammerdad> lspci states its a realteck ethernet controller (8111)
• 820[05:10:01] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: Need 8 digits, with a colon in between.
• 821[05:10:04] <bug> firmware-realtek tgen
• 822[05:10:13] <bug> then*
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• 825[05:12:09] <mchammerdad> 10ec:8168
• 826[05:13:33] <mchammerdad> from what I'm reading in this manual they don't include the firmware on my iso, I need to download it separately?
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• 829[05:15:16] <bug> you can use an "unofficial" iso with the non-free firmware included, or download it separately.
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• 831[05:15:47] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: You can download the package from replaced-url
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• 840[05:23:43] <mchammerdad> karlpinc, ok I have it installed. Do I need to reboot? or how can I "activate" that firmware?
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• 842[05:25:14] <karlpinc> mchammerdad: I don't know exactly how the firmware is installed. Surely rebooting will load/install it. Maybe "rmmod r8169; modprobe r8169" would install it, but maybe not.
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• 846[05:26:02] <karlpinc> (Or maybe those commands need a ".so" suffix. I forget.)
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• 927[06:19:17] <diveyez> Out of the box, sql dont work on stretch all the sudden. Investigation underwar.
• 928[06:19:21] <diveyez> Lol
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• 932[06:21:24] <wpwpwpw> hi
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• 934[06:21:37] <wpwpwpw> Is it possible to define what user(name) can access a specific samba share?
• 935[06:21:43] <wpwpwpw> I can't re-own the shared folder
• 936[06:21:53] <wpwpwpw> ideally the samba daemon just uses a different user than the owner
• 937[06:21:55] <wpwpwpw> is that possible?
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• 940[06:22:45] <wpwpwpw> anyone?
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• 951[06:26:17] <rjsalts> wpwpwpw: which security model is the share?
• 952[06:26:43] <wpwpwpw> rjsalts: currently user I guess
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• 954[06:26:57] <wpwpwpw> rjsalts: what security model can I pick to let this share be accessible by user 'example'
• 955[06:27:04] <wpwpwpw> even if that folder is not owned by user example
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• 965[06:33:58] <wpwpwpw> rjsalts: I added that user to allowed users
• 966[06:34:01] <wpwpwpw> restarted samba
• 967[06:34:09] <wpwpwpw> but I still get an access denied for that user
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• 974[06:36:01] <rjsalts> replaced-url
• 975[06:36:45] <wpwpwpw> yes
• 976[06:36:46] <wpwpwpw> replaced-url
• 977[06:36:51] <wpwpwpw> one has to set a separate samba password per user :O
• 978[06:37:45] <rjsalts> or use winbind
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• 981[06:39:52] <slackjeff> hi
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• 1015[07:07:10] <argusbr> i need scan open ports 80,8291 ip start start 45.4.4.0 ip rang end 45.4.7.255
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• 1026[07:18:36] <wpwpwpw> Can I specify a port with smbnetfs?
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• 1046[07:30:36] <mischief> for some reason when i click image URLs, they open in a WINE copy of explorer.exe. :|
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• 1064[07:50:42] <Agiofws> hello
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• 1066[07:51:27] <Agiofws> could someone help me i cannot get a terminal in my gnome gui could someone help me fix this problem i'm on stretch
• 1067[07:52:05] <Agiofws> when i lick the icon i just a spinning circle on the mouse cursor
• 1068[07:52:34] <Agiofws> is there another terminal i can install ?
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• 1071[07:54:29] <Agiofws> i have xterm install but i can't launch it :P
• 1072[07:54:44] <alkisg> Agiofws: why can't you launch it?
• 1073[07:55:09] <alkisg> Agiofws: try to navigate to /usr/share/applications, and double click it from there
• 1074[07:55:56] <Agiofws> i'll try when nautilus launches
• 1075[07:56:08] <Agiofws> IF...
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• 1077[07:56:42] <alkisg> If you're having other issues, maybe you should try alt+ctrl+f1 instead
• 1078[07:56:51] <Agiofws> something is really wrong with this host
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• 1080[07:57:04] <Agiofws> you mean f3
• 1081[07:57:12] <Agiofws> f1 tajes you to a gui
• 1082[07:57:12] <alkisg> f2, f3, whatever, a tty
• 1083[07:57:22] <alkisg> It depends on the DE, the configuration, etc etc, sure
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• 1109[08:11:39] <Agiofws> alkisg, ok for some reason gnome terminal won't launch any ideas ?
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• 1111[08:12:03] <Agiofws> (process:7944): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
• 1112[08:12:03] <Agiofws> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
• 1113[08:12:05] <alkisg> Agiofws: did you launch xterm?
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• 1115[08:12:24] <Agiofws> yes
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• 1117[08:12:37] <alkisg> And can you launch other applications like nautilus?
• 1118[08:12:41] <Agiofws> managed through nautilus to double click on the binary
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• 1121[08:12:59] <Agiofws> yes yes nautilus did launch
• 1122[08:13:03] <alkisg> What's `top` and `dmesg` and syslog like, any issues there?
• 1123[08:13:12] <alkisg> Why did it take nautilus so long to open etc?
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• 1126[08:13:18] <alkisg> Try to locate/give more information
• 1127[08:13:40] <Agiofws> maybe because its trying to connect to a windows share maybe.. but it does it often
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• 1129[08:14:28] <alkisg> Right, gvfs issues can block io
• 1130[08:14:41] <Agiofws> what am i looking for
• 1131[08:15:07] <Agiofws> re install gnome terminal but i doubt it will solve
• 1132[08:15:14] <alkisg> Of course it won't solve anything
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• 1135[08:15:49] <Agiofws> tried to launch through xterm but not that much output
• 1136[08:15:58] <alkisg> Well, it depends on what you want to look for. (1) Troubleshoot smb share connection problems, or (2) Troubleshoot why, when there are connection problems, other gnome programs have io issues?
• 1137[08:16:32] <alkisg> If you want (1), then just logoff so that any pending gvfs requests are cancelled, and try checking why the smb didn't mount as expected
• 1138[08:16:39] <Agiofws> but gnome terminal still won;t launch
• 1139[08:16:42] <alkisg> If you want to troubleshoot gnome internals... that'd take a longer time
• 1140[08:16:47] <alkisg> Logoff would help there :)
• 1141[08:17:03] <alkisg> If gnome terminal is blocking on gvfs, which blocks on smb, there's no pointing in waiting more
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• 1143[08:17:38] <Agiofws> nautilus works fine now
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• 1146[08:18:38] <Agiofws> --g-fatal-warnings Make all warnings fatal?
• 1147[08:19:09] <alkisg> If you're asking on how to troubleshoot gvfs internals, I'm not the correct person to help there
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• 1149[08:19:21] <alkisg> I would go with "logout and try to see what smb issues I'm having"
• 1150[08:19:27] <Agiofws> i don;t thinks its about smb or gvfs
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• 1152[08:19:36] <Agiofws> logout from where ?
• 1153[08:19:44] <alkisg> From your session. A normal logout.
• 1154[08:19:58] <alkisg> So that background processes are killed, like gvfs pending operations
• 1155[08:20:12] <Agiofws> i've already done that log in and log out
• 1156[08:20:35] <alkisg> When you log out, also go to alt+ctrl+f2 and verify there are no processes left running. If there are, kill them.
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• 1158[08:20:44] <Agiofws> Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reache
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• 1162[08:21:56] <alkisg> That sounds like a dbus proxy call failing because the respective daemon isn't running or is blocked. Again a logout could help.
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• 1164[08:22:08] <alkisg> In some cases, if system wide services get blocked, a full reboot is needed
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• 1166[08:22:49] <alkisg> E.g. if some bug crashes a system dbus service handler, a lot of user services will constantly be failing afterwards
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• 1170[08:24:39] <Agiofws> i've also rebooted
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• 1311[09:36:01] <bongola> hi - is there a simple tool available to take a screenshot, edit it and post it to some hosting service for sharing? all in one tool
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• 1467[10:57:28] <oo_miguel> While I can download a webpage with all its images and css files etc. with wget.. is there some easy way to only get a list of these?
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• 1482[11:04:04] <thblt> How would you create some kind of Debian "template" to quicky instantiate new Debian VMs without going through the installer each time? I don't need much, just a minimal Debian installed with some custom config if possible, my user created and my SSH public key configured.
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• 1486[11:05:49] <alkisg> There are many frameworks for that but all involve a learning curve. So why not just create the VM instead, and clone it as many times as you like right after you customizations?
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• 1488[11:06:10] <jelly> thblt: netboot and preseed? cloud-init?
• 1489[11:06:13] <jelly> !preseed
• 1490[11:06:14] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
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• 1499[11:08:42] <thblt> jelly: thanks for the pointer for the full example, I missed that and that's what I wanted!
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• 1506[11:12:10] <furrymcgee> how to preseed debian with lxc-create --template=debian ?
• 1507[11:12:34] <thblt> alkisg: I haven't even thought about that... I'll try it too, thanks :-)
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• 1510[11:13:21] <alkisg> thblt: personally I'm using virtualbox, and I'm doing "discardable snapshots" right before I want to test things and clean up afterwards
• 1511[11:13:27] <alkisg> So one VM for each OS/use case is enough
• 1512[11:14:06] <alkisg> Snapshots are also instantaneous, as opposed to cloning or recreating
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• 1515[11:16:23] <thblt> alkisg: I think I'll go for it. Cloning is probably still faster than a preseeded installation anyway, if need arises, and snapshots should be enough for 90% of cases.
• 1516[11:16:34] <petn-randall> thblt: You can use template images and then use a tool to wipe keys/logs/etc. from it before cloning. The libvirt tool is called 'virt-sysprep', for example.
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• 1533[11:27:32] <Iridos> I used to pipe a tar over the network to a new machine, write from a boot inside ramdisk and make it bootable…
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• 1536[11:28:03] <Iridos> it seems a bit of a pity that the installer really has to get each package, unpack and configure it
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• 1580[11:46:29] <siraben> I keep getting this error: replaced-url
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• 1588[11:49:18] <siraben> This error replaced-url
• 1589[11:49:29] <siraben> /etc/apt/sources.list *
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• 1593[11:52:01] <siraben> Any help would be appreciated as to how I could resolve the apt error
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• 1596[11:53:08] <alkisg> siraben: can you browse 64.50.233.100 with firefox?
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• 1599[11:53:40] <siraben> alkisg: Yes
• 1600[11:54:00] <siraben> Is there a drop-in Debian apt list that would fix it?
• 1601[11:54:15] <siraben> Like a mirror or something, I always seem to get apt issues after installing Debian
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• 1608[11:55:55] <alkisg> replaced-url
• 1609[11:56:27] <p0g0_> the 404 error looks a bit funny, not that there is not a ":" twixt 233.100 and the port 80, tho it might just be reporting the default I suppose.
• 1610[11:56:33] <p0g0_> *note that
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• 1613[11:57:06] <p0g0_> eh 233.100 & the 80, like 233.100:80
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• 1617[11:59:45] <siraben> alkisg: After changing my sources.list file to the first sample, I now get replaced-url
• 1618[12:00:06] <siraben> W: replaced-url
• 1619[12:00:06] <siraben> the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not
• 1620[12:00:06] <siraben> readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
• 1621[12:00:06] <siraben>
• 1622[12:00:09] <siraben>
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• 1626[12:00:17] <siraben> Sorry for flooding
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• 1630[12:00:58] <p0g0_> for grins, you might escalate the privilege for the _apt user...
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• 1633[12:01:22] <siraben> What does it mean by "not readable by user '_apt' ..."?
• 1634[12:02:21] <p0g0_> it means that the user _apt doesn't have the rights to read that file, which sounds wrong, but that is what it says.
• 1635[12:02:48] <alkisg> siraben: what's the output of ls -lhaR /etc/apt ?
• 1636[12:02:53] <p0g0_> Hence my notion that you edit the user or group rights and escalate the privilege of that user.
• 1637[12:02:53] <alkisg> Use the pastebin
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• 1641[12:03:24] <p0g0_> and that suggestion^ is the other side of the coin, and may work too.
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• 1653[12:13:17] <siraben> alkisg: Output: replaced-url
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• 1677[12:23:19] <siraben> alkisg: Was that what you expected?
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• 1706[12:47:02] <alkisg> siraben: -rw------- 1 root root 32 Apr 16 15:28 trusted.gpg => that's not readable
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• 1708[12:47:12] <alkisg> That's why _apt can't read it, chmod +r it
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• 1721[12:50:40] <themill> That sounds like a known bug in synaptic
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• 1727[12:54:27] <wbx> hi. i have a cmake project trying to build debian packages in parallel. but everything is ignored and dh_auto_build uses make -j1 .
• 1728[12:54:32] <wbx> what can I do about it?
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• 1731[12:56:07] <wbx> seems that is breaking it: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noddebs parallel=6"
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• 1776[13:13:51] <siraben> alkisg: Still not working well: replaced-url
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• 1779[13:14:26] <kallenp> howto restore database_name.sql.tgz to mysql?
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• 1782[13:16:26] <PerfDave> kallenp: That looks like a gzipped tar file - "tar -tzf database_name.sql.tgz" will tell you what's in it?
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• 1785[13:17:59] <kallenp> yes, it is, howto extract it directly to mysql ?
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• 1792[13:22:28] <jelly> kallenp: you probably can't do it "directly"... how did you create it in the first place?
• 1793[13:22:30] <lupulo> kallenp, man mysqldump mysql db_name < backup-file.sql
• 1794[13:25:01] <jelly> theoretically you might be able to extract tar to stdout (-O) and pipe that to mysql, IF the archive only contains .sql files, and if mysql client can deal with multiple dumps piped one after another. Try It And See
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• 1844[13:47:34] <siraben> Anyone know how to resolve this error replaced-url
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• 1849[13:50:53] <permalink> abrotman i installed the fw for that NIC , now the error is gon and the connection gets up faster . it took 80 seconds compared to 200 seconds or more
• 1850[13:51:10] <abrotman> I guess that's a "win" :)
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• 1852[13:51:22] <abrotman> Is that the interface you're actually using?
• 1853[13:51:39] <permalink> i hope so , thanks :) . yes
• 1854[13:51:56] <abrotman> Okay
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• 1856[13:52:50] <cef> siraben: sure there's not some sort of mitm proxy in the way?
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• 1858[13:55:53] <cef> siraben: also, have you tried ftp.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.lst instead of deb.debian.org ?
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• 1860[13:56:41] <cef> tho that won't fix the security.debian.org issues you're seeing.. hrm
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• 1867[13:59:34] <siraben> cef: Can you give an example of a sources.list file? Yours, if you mind?
• 1868[14:00:45] <cef> siraben: first off. try 'apt-key list' and pastebin the output
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• 1871[14:02:29] <siraben> cef: replaced-url
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• 1875[14:04:59] <cef> Ok, that looks much the same as mine. :/
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• 1880[14:06:20] <siraben> Well, there's always reinstalling Debian ;)
• 1881[14:06:21] <ghormoon> hi, did anyone try skypeforlinux with PULSE_SERVER=ip set? is it possible to use "remote" headset?
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• 1885[14:08:04] <cef> siraben: only things i cna suggest is look thru /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ for anything weird.
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• 1887[14:09:11] <siraben> replaced-url
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• 1889[14:09:21] <siraben> I don't see anything weird
• 1890[14:09:43] <siraben> Perhaps this is related to the fact that I initially installed Debian 9.0.0 today? I didn't get the latest ISO yet
• 1891[14:10:02] <siraben> It didn't happen if the latest version was installed, I think
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• 1897[14:11:25] <siraben> Although no matter the version, whenever I change the country of the apt mirror to something closer, it just complains about PUBKEY
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• 1910[14:18:12] <Guest48177> a
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• 1912[14:18:23] <cef> siraben: you installed a 9.0.0 image?
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• 1915[14:19:37] <siraben> cef: Yes...
• 1916[14:19:56] <siraben> Should've just gone through my backups and got a 9.4.0 ISO I downloaded a couple weeks ago
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• 1918[14:20:05] <siraben> Silly me
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• 1922[14:22:48] <AikiLinux> Hi guys, can you explain to me why the the prefix i provide is not being used ? replaced-url
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• 1924[14:23:21] <siraben> cef: Will installing 9.4.0 fix the issue?
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• 1931[14:27:26] <choice> Hello! The time of my server is off. 2 hours in the past. How do I set it?
• 1932[14:27:52] <cef> siraben: yeah if it's a brand new install probably a wise choice.. I suspect there's something weird with the 9.0.0 image you have
• 1933[14:28:08] <siraben> So it's supposed to work without any issues?
• 1934[14:28:23] <choice> Would this work? date -s '2018-04-16 14:28'?
• 1935[14:28:26] <cef> siraben: maybe check the md5/sha on the images too. just to make sure they're ok.
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• 1937[14:28:42] <siraben> I downloaded them through torrent though?
• 1938[14:28:54] <cef> then def check the sha/md5
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• 1940[14:28:59] <tvm> choice, just use something like ntpd -q and it will sync the time
• 1941[14:28:59] <siraben> Ok
• 1942[14:29:08] <choice> Looks like it accepted it. But if I am not wront, I did this in the past. Does the server reset the time after a reboot or somwthing?
• 1943[14:29:39] <tvm> choice, no, it shouldn't, is time correct now ?
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• 1945[14:29:57] <choice> tvm: after the 'date -s ...' it is correct now.
• 1946[14:30:26] <cef> choice: cmos battery bad perhaps?
• 1947[14:30:44] <choice> cef: Don't think so. It's a vps in a datacenter.
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• 1949[14:30:46] <cef> choice: or is it a vm?
• 1950[14:30:48] <choice> yup
• 1951[14:31:06] <tvm> choice, could be wrong timezone perhaps ?
• 1952[14:31:13] <cef> choice: ohhhh.. ok.. you probably want to either run ntpdate in a cron job, or install ntpd
• 1953[14:31:29] <choice> tvm: How do I check that?
• 1954[14:31:51] <cef> choice: some vps's think the system clock should be in local time rather than GMT
• 1955[14:31:55] <tvm> choice, cat /etc/timezone i guess
• 1956[14:32:12] <choice> tvm: Europe/Berlin. Which is where I am.
• 1957[14:32:34] <tvm> you can probably want to run ntpd on boot to sync time
• 1958[14:32:37] <cef> choice: where is the VPS hosted tho?
• 1959[14:32:42] <choice> cef: UK
• 1960[14:33:21] <cef> that'll be it then.. just a matter of figuring out what they've done.
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• 1962[14:33:29] <tvm> choice, check with hwclock -r to see what's hardware time
• 1963[14:33:59] <choice> tvm: Mon 16 Apr 2018 02:33:49 PM CEST
• 1964[14:34:06] <tvm> hmm
• 1965[14:34:13] <choice> tvm: That looks good. Not sure what the CEST means though.
• 1966[14:34:14] <tvm> it's same time as here
• 1967[14:34:22] <tvm> centreal european summer time
• 1968[14:34:29] <choice> Is that the time in Berlin?
• 1969[14:34:34] <tvm> yeah i think so
• 1970[14:34:37] <choice> Ok
• 1971[14:34:52] <tvm> i'm in western czech rep, it's same
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• 1973[14:35:28] <siraben> Living in SEA, can't imagine the headaches daylight saving time causes
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• 1975[14:37:08] <choice> siraben: What is SEA?
• 1976[14:37:15] <siraben> South East Asia
• 1977[14:37:23] <choice> You never change your clocks?
• 1978[14:37:27] <siraben> No
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• 1980[14:37:33] <siraben> lol
• 1981[14:37:40] <choice> Awesome. I'm envious.
• 1982[14:37:51] <siraben> What do you have to do during daylight saving time?
• 1983[14:38:00] <siraben> Holy shit imagine losing 1 hour of sleep
• 1984[14:38:04] <siraben> 1 more*
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• 1989[14:38:18] <siraben> So an hour of the day just... evaporates?
• 1990[14:38:20] <tvm> it's mildly damaging to your bilogical cycle, yeah
• 1991[14:38:24] <tvm> of course
• 1992[14:38:28] <siraben> I'm confused
• 1993[14:38:35] <siraben> How can time just jump forward
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• 1996[14:38:46] <tvm> you just shift from 0200 to 0300 and back once per year
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• 1998[14:38:51] <siraben> Isn't the EU going to get rid of it soon?
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• 2000[14:38:59] <tvm> no one managed to do that yet
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• 2002[14:39:06] <siraben> I read an article somewhere saying that the parliament voted or something
• 2003[14:39:07] <tvm> but it would be logical step i think
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• 2005[14:39:17] <tvm> but it's somewhat hot topic, yeah
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• 2007[14:39:23] <siraben> I'm envious of Europe's nice weather during the summer
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• 2011[14:39:57] <siraben> Went to Switzerland last year, was a little confusing to see the afternoon sun during 8 PM but the towns were very nice and the weather too
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• 2013[14:40:16] <siraben> afternoon sun* in a country near the equator
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• 2016[14:41:42] <vlt> near o_O
• 2017[14:41:53] <tvm> i think the sun here works as it should :D
• 2018[14:42:13] <siraben> Lol the 8 PM sun is so high there, sunset occurs at 9:30 PM?
• 2019[14:42:16] <siraben> During mid summer?
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• 2021[14:42:47] <siraben> It's around 6 PM here, 5:30 at the earliest in the winter time, 6:30 PM in the summer
• 2022[14:42:52] <siraben> For sunset
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• 2025[14:42:57] <tvm> i think so, during summer you get sun from like 0600 to 2100
• 2026[14:43:03] <choice> The server still writes the wrong time into the DB when entries are created.
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• 2028[14:43:09] <choice> I wonder where the time gets changed.
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• 2031[14:44:03] <tvm> choice, into DB ?
• 2032[14:44:07] <siraben> So when you go out of DST does time jump backwards? How do system logs handle that? I suppose they use UNIX time
• 2033[14:44:08] <tvm> DBs have their timezones too
• 2034[14:44:34] <siraben> I should find UNIX clocks to hang on my wall
• 2035[14:44:38] <choice> tvm: I guess I will figure it out with my developer then.
• 2036[14:44:39] <tvm> siraben, actually, i've never cared and it just works all the time
• 2037[14:44:41] <siraben> It's the same time no matter what
• 2038[14:44:51] <vlt> siraben: Either that or they use time zone aware dates.
• 2039[14:45:00] <siraben> It's just interesting that DST exists at all
• 2040[14:45:13] <tvm> choice, if the system time is OK, then it's your app/DB settings
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• 2047[14:45:38] <choice> tvm: That could be. The dev will look into it then.
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• 2090[15:13:48] <miguel2013> hey I have a version 1 of a wireless n card that when I connect into debian jessie
• 2091[15:14:06] <miguel2013> can installing a newer debian detect this card that;s not really new
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• 2097[15:15:57] <PerfDave> miguel2013: Depends what card it is.
• 2098[15:16:10] <miguel2013> tp-link tl-wn722n
• 2099[15:16:12] <miguel2013> version1
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• 2101[15:16:25] <miguel2013> no windows 10 support
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• 2105[15:16:48] <PerfDave> So I'd look for Linux support and see what version kernel etc. you need for it
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• 2107[15:17:17] <miguel2013> PerfDave: it works with xubuntu
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• 2109[15:17:24] <miguel2013> out of the box I believe :/
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• 2111[15:17:50] <miguel2013> like the one from 6 months ago
• 2112[15:18:00] <miguel2013> maybe a year
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• 2121[15:22:37] <petn-randall> miguel2013: stretch is about 2 years newer than jessie, so I'd give it a try.
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• 2152[15:41:52] <karlpinc> miguel2013: The other thing to note is that if it needs non-free firmware you'll be wanting to either install with the unoffical debian installer which has non-free firmware or follow the instructions in the install guide.
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• 2207[16:05:27] <karlpinc> What's an easy way to convert text to PDF? I've been using libreoffice, but that seems like overkill, and when done from the command line I can't have an libreoffice window open. And now I want to change the font...
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• 2214[16:07:46] <themill> karlpinc: pandoc can also do it; also overkill
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• 2217[16:09:03] <themill> or a2ps
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• 2222[16:11:03] <karlpinc> Thanks. a2ps is probably the way to go.
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• 2227[16:14:33] <shtrb|laptop> karlpinc, pdftk rules!
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• 2229[16:15:47] <themill> shtrb|laptop: how does pdftk help here? I've never seen that
• 2230[16:15:58] <karlpinc> shtrb|laptop: How would use you pdftk to convert text to pdf? I thought it only frobs once in pdf.
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• 2239[16:19:35] <karlpinc> I'm going to have to figure out how to get a2ps to generate portrait. Either that or it's trying to make A4 instead of US letter and that's making it rotate and print 2 to a page, or something.
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• 2248[16:24:10] <miguel2013> karlpinc: cool
• 2249[16:24:21] <themill> karlpinc: -1
• 2250[16:24:54] <shtrb|laptop> sorry , I was thinking about pandoc filename -o output.pdf (if the file is formated in known type) and then use pdftk to adjust to the correct format
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• 2252[16:24:58] <karlpinc> themill: ?
• 2253[16:25:07] <themill> karlpinc: a2ps can dump a ps file you can inspect; a2ps -1 o - | ps2pdf foo.pdf
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• 2255[16:25:16] <themill> karlpinc: -1 means 1 page per sheet
• 2256[16:25:42] <karlpinc> themill: Thanks. Was reading the info pages just now but hadn't gotten to that.
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• 2258[16:26:35] <themill> :)
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• 2291[16:36:38] <karlpinc> a2ps --silent --borders=no --no-header -1 -o - foo.txt | ps2pdf - foo.pdf
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• 2330[16:48:22] <antoine____> Hello, I would like to get wildcard certificates through let's encrypt. Is it a bad idea to upgrade certbot from stretch-backports ? (so I get a more recent version that supports wildcard certificates).
• 2331[16:48:26] <karlpinc> (One would think that the sane a2ps defaults would be all those options.)
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• 2337[16:49:45] <hyperlumic> antoine____: That is what backports is there for, assuming you're running stretch.
• 2338[16:49:52] <karlpinc> antoine____: It is probably not a bad idea. I don't really trust that backports have security updates. The (random person) uploader is _supposed_ to be responsible and keep the backport up to date, but I'd bet that people don't. All the same, you are probably good.
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• 2340[16:51:58] <karlpinc> antoine____: You might devote a few brain cycles to think about why you need wildcard certificates. You can get single certs for more than one domain on them. (Or at least things like replaced-url
• 2341[16:52:01] <antoine____> hyperlumic: karlpinc: Ok, thanks :). I was asking because certbot pulls a few python dependancies that I assume are pulled from backport. Wouldn't want to break anything else with those deps.
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• 2345[16:53:32] <antoine____> karlpinc: Yes I have a few already (~ 5 or 6) and it annoys me that each time I want to try something out through a subdomain I need to go over cetbot again.
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• 2347[16:54:12] <antoine____> For example atm I'm considering moving my email service from example.org to smtp.example.org and imap.example.org
• 2348[16:54:43] <antoine____> Maybe I should rather add (once again) those subdomains to my certbot command...
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• 2350[16:54:53] <karlpinc> antoine____: Consider writing yourself a README. :)
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• 2353[16:55:48] <karlpinc> antoine____: Is there a way to get letsencrypt to "authenticate" via smtp, so that a cert used for smtp does not have to be stuck on a website somewhere?
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• 2359[16:58:20] <antoine____> karlpinc: I didn't get that. I don't know of a way for certbot to authenticate through smtp. I didn't get why the cert would be stuck on a website.
• 2360[16:58:22] <antoine____> karlpinc: Do you know if it is possible to go back from backports to stable?
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• 2368[17:00:53] <annadane> antoine____, it is possible
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• 2382[17:05:42] <antoine____> annadane: I can't find how. Is it something like `sudo apt install -t stretch package`?
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• 2384[17:06:14] <karlpinc> antoine____: You have to install your cert on your website, somehow or another I forget the details, letting letsencrypt.org have access to it (via http IIRC) so that letsencrypt knows you control the website. I forget the details, but it definately involves a webserver. (And you don't need a webserver for smtp, obviously. Letsencrypt _should_ be able to tell you've installed the cert in your MTA and know that way that you control
• 2385[17:06:14] <karlpinc> the domain.)
• 2386[17:06:21] <jelly> antoine____: look at apt-cache policy package for available versions. Then use apt install package=version
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• 2388[17:07:46] <bites> karlpinc: certbot can spin up its own server. i believe it's the certbot certonly --standalone option. replaced-url
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• 2394[17:09:53] <antoine____> karlpinc: What I think it does is it turns off the services running on the subdomain, launches its own service, authenticates, then turns off its own service and turns back on whatever service was previously running.
• 2395[17:10:32] <antoine____> bites: Yes, "its own service" being a webserver I believe :).
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• 2398[17:11:37] <antoine____> (Then I have a script that runs after certbot to propagate the certificate to all the different services and machines)
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• 2400[17:12:10] <bites> yes, for the duration of the verification. certbot is just an acme client and that needs a webserver.
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• 2418[17:17:55] <karlpinc> I always use "raw" mode with certbot, or whatever it is called. It does not do all the turn-off/on stuff. The regular webserver is used to do the certification of domain ownership. Anyway, I want to be able to do "certification of domain ownership" with smtp. My email server blocks http(s) traffic. Happen to know if it is possible?
• 2419[17:18:06] <antoine____> Wait, all of this might be pointless. I got an email saying "Accepted python-certbot 0.23.0-1~bpo9+1 (source) into stretch-backports", yet `apt search -t stretch-backports certbot` only shows "certbot/stretch-backports 0.21.1-1~bpo9+1 all [upgradable from: 0.10.2-1]".
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• 2422[17:18:35] <bites> it's not possible.
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• 2431[17:19:25] <bites> you need port 80 or 443 open for certbot to work.
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• 2436[17:20:31] <PerfDave> Generally I use the DNS TXT method for proving I own a hostname for an SSL cert with letsencrypt.
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• 2449[17:25:58] <bites> oh, right, the dns challenge exists. i've spoken too early.
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• 2453[17:27:24] <bites> i believe you can't easily automate renewal then, which suck, but it might fit your restrictions.
• 2454[17:28:00] <PerfDave> bites: My DNS provider (Mythic Beasts) has an API and a plugin for the ACME client "dehydrated", so we handle renewals on a cronjob with that.
• 2455[17:28:18] <bites> mine doesn't /o\
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• 2457[17:29:19] <jelly> what kind of dns provider doesn't have an api
• 2458[17:29:26] <PerfDave> I've asked them to provide a separate API plugin which can /only/ change ACME-related TXT records, they're looking into it
• 2459[17:30:00] <jelly> surely you can firefox in xvfb and selenium and MAKE an api out of clicking their web :-)
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• 2466[17:35:20] <jelly> karlpinc: even if you don't do dns-01 challenge, you can still do http-01 on a different host, if you control your dns.
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• 2473[17:35:55] <jelly> renew on a host that has A/AAAA records for desired domain, and has http(s) enabled, and transfer keys
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• 2476[17:36:27] <PerfDave> Though again that will be a pain for renewal :)
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• 2513[17:52:42] <setuid> Is there a way to determine if a package was installed via compiling from the upstream sources (apt-get source foo; build foo; dpkg -i my-foo.deb)? debsums will not help, because it will match the sums against the instsalled package, not the one from upstream.
• 2514[17:53:01] <setuid> IOW, if someone downloads the source for foo, recompiles with -O3 instead of -O2 and then installs the deb.
• 2515[17:53:18] <PerfDave> setuid: md5sum of the .deb file/
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• 2518[17:53:40] <greycat> oh, so *not* upstream source. deb source.
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• 2520[17:53:54] <setuid> Yes, sorry, upstream from the user's machine, not upstream from Debian
• 2521[17:54:02] <greycat> If someone does that, it is their responsibility to bump the version number in the package so that it's no longer the same as the Debian version number.
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• 2523[17:54:15] <PerfDave> greycat: And yet so few people do :)
• 2524[17:54:18] <setuid> greycat: Right, but we're trying to track if they're trying to pull a fast one
• 2525[17:54:30] <greycat> Why do you care?
• 2526[17:54:58] <tempate> Hello. Is it possible to have a text file that automatically syncs changes in two machines?
• 2527[17:55:13] <setuid> Because we want to know if we support bugs/issues they report from the installed package (eg, ours, built with -O2) vs. the one they rebuilt from that source, using -O3, causing breakage.
• 2528[17:55:27] <setuid> tempate: rsync? git diff?
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• 2530[17:55:34] <annadane> i installed vim-athena, how does one call it?
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• 2532[17:55:44] <greycat> setuid: then you'd need something equivalent to debsums (hashes of the installed files)
• 2533[17:55:45] <annadane> bash: vim-athena: command not found
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• 2536[17:55:58] <tempate> setuid: mhm, let me check those out. Thanks!
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• 2539[17:56:16] <setuid> greycat: Right, so we'd have to compare the debsums from the "official" package, vs. the output of debsums from their machine.
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• 2541[17:56:25] <setuid> Hrm, that might work... we can bolt that into sosreport
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• 2546[17:57:32] <annadane> i suppose there's a way to load themes in vim and that's the way you're meant to do it
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• 2550[17:58:18] <greycat> annadane: anything useful in /usr/share/doc/vim-athena/ ?
• 2551[17:58:22] <annadane> oh, i can try update-alternatives
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• 2553[17:58:44] <sapristi_> hello, any grub guru in here ?
• 2554[17:58:50] <annadane> greycat, no READMEs, but yes i ought to have checked there first
• 2555[17:58:59] <belatrix> Hi guys can anyone lead me in the right direction, I'm really trying to breakdown the Debian based Parrot / Sec system ... Anyone with any advice, will really be appreciated...
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• 2558[17:59:11] <greycat> !parrot
• 2559[17:59:11] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 2562[17:59:26] <annadane> huh. already the default, apparently
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• 2564[18:00:04] <belatrix> Thank you, for that tid bit -) ...
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• 2568[18:00:27] <annadane> belatrix, the general answer is, don't use kali/parrot as a daily desktop
• 2569[18:00:34] <annadane> that's not how they're meant to be used
• 2570[18:00:57] <PerfDave> annadane: Speak for yourself ;)
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• 2573[18:01:03] <belatrix> Why is this? I have an absolute fascination with Pentesting ...
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• 2577[18:01:36] <greycat> it's not for us to say how some other non-Debian OS can be used
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• 2579[18:02:16] <petn-randall> belatrix: I'd install it in a VM. That way you can snapshot and rollback if a upgrade fails. Which happens fairly often ever since it switched to rolling release.
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• 2582[18:04:12] <belatrix> Geez, the entire VM when I do it that way, is so annoying and slow.
• 2583[18:04:49] <belatrix> Since 2 systems are running same time. When I was in Ubuntu, but I only did this with Kali. Not parrot.
• 2584[18:05:37] <petn-randall> belatrix: You don't have any HW virtualization in your CPU?
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• 2587[18:06:18] <belatrix> So, I was really trying to dive into the understanding of Ports, and just general to medium advanced info towards, Packets, System admin etc...
• 2588[18:06:31] <greycat> !parrot
• 2589[18:06:31] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 2590[18:06:35] <belatrix> Yes I do... But, geez it was annoying.
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• 2592[18:07:07] <belatrix> Thank you greycat, dpkg, I was just speaking with Pet
• 2593[18:07:08] <petn-randall> belatrix: Well, then there's no more we can help you with. If you have any questions about Parrot, direct it to their channel.
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• 2598[18:08:00] <belatrix> Okay, thank you petn, I haven't been utilizing IRC client for quite sometime, so I'm getting back into the sting of things. Appreciate it. -)
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• 2601[18:09:09] <belatrix> Boy #parrot channel on this server is 4 ppl in it? lol...
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• 2603[18:09:25] <petn-randall> belatrix: Well, read the factoid again. It's not on this server.
• 2604[18:09:29] <greycat> Read the factoi... that.
• 2605[18:09:30] <petn-randall> *network
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• 2607[18:09:54] <belatrix> Yes of course
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• 2615[18:12:40] <belatrix> So debian is simply for the pentesting side ... Any general ideas in terms of a stable very secure debian distro for a rusty developer,
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• 2617[18:13:31] <bites> debian! :P
• 2618[18:13:34] <PerfDave> Debian?
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• 2621[18:14:09] <belatrix> Yah Im greedy I want the best of both worlds ... Possibly to easy.
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• 2623[18:14:36] <belatrix> I am naive no doubt. So just straight up debian. Okay ...
• 2624[18:14:39] <annadane> in terms of "stable" you can't get much better than debian...
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• 2626[18:14:50] <PerfDave> This is #debian, we're probably going to recommend Debian ;)
• 2627[18:14:57] <hyperlumic> belatrix: What world are you missing with Debian, exactly?
• 2628[18:15:03] <belatrix> yes of course... heh
• 2629[18:15:33] <PerfDave> FWIW, when I worked in infosec I used Kali as my main desktop.
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• 2636[18:16:06] <annadane> and you work in infosec and weren't trying to be "elite hacker"
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• 2639[18:16:50] <belatrix> Yes, many do this... I really enjoy the beauty of Parrot, default features, buy I guess arch may be what im really looking for.
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• 2641[18:17:26] <belatrix> Thanks PerfDave
• 2642[18:17:37] <hyperlumic> Still have no idea what you're looking for.
• 2643[18:17:39] * hyperlumic shrugs.
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• 2646[18:18:47] <belatrix> Well, i'm looking for the tools of a kali linux, with a very stable kernal, community, that is also geared towards programming in general.
• 2647[18:19:08] <PerfDave> Most of the things in Kali are also packaged in Debian?
• 2648[18:19:10] <hyperlumic> Kali isn't geared towards programming. It's geared towards penetration testing and security assessments.
• 2649[18:19:26] <belatrix> Yes hyper...
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• 2652[18:19:55] <jelly> PerfDave: they have a ton more sec-specific packages on top of debian's set
• 2653[18:19:58] * greycat wonders what "geared toward programming" means
• 2654[18:20:04] <hyperlumic> greycat: No idea.
• 2655[18:20:12] <belatrix> That is why I'm here tinkering around with parrot ... but geez frozenbox, and parrot community is not as big, and info on it hard to find.
• 2656[18:20:53] <annadane> in fairness i shouldn't be so dismissive to kali/parrot, it's just that the vast majority of people don't know what they're doing
• 2657[18:20:58] <belatrix> The updates etc.. Is buggy just like you said, and a pain in the ass.
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• 2659[18:21:02] <petn-randall> belatrix: frozenbox is just the IRC network it's hosted on, it has nothing in common with the parrot community.
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• 2662[18:21:26] <hyperlumic> annadane: Kali, Parrot, et al., are quite powerful tools. I use them frequently, but not as my main workstation.
• 2663[18:21:36] <bites> i also have no idea what i'm doing half of the time. learning by doing and all that.
• 2664[18:21:55] <belatrix> Anndane, you are absolutely correct. However, you do have to step into the waters in order to learn how to swim.
• 2665[18:22:16] <petn-randall> belatrix: Well, you *can* jump into the deep end first, but ...
• 2666[18:22:23] <PerfDave> annadane: The vast majority of Debian users don't know what they're doing. Also Windows users. And any other thing that has users ;)
• 2667[18:22:29] <hyperlumic> belatrix: Running Kali, Parrot, et al., aren't doing that for you. The tools that Kali includes are available for $pickaDistro.
• 2668[18:22:32] <belatrix> This is not first, believe me.
• 2669[18:22:49] <annadane> well, whatever. i'll exercise my right to display humility and not speak if i have nothing constructive to add
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• 2674[18:23:33] <johnfg> hi folks
• 2675[18:23:36] <belatrix> No, I appreciate you and your advice, even if they are leaning towards the negative.
• 2676[18:23:39] <annadane> belatrix, btw you can use tab autocompletion for irc names
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• 2678[18:24:00] <johnfg> yesterday with the help of folks here i solved one problem with php5/cron.
• 2679[18:24:38] <MoonManT> what program should i use to check for open/listening ports on my local computer? has netstat and nettools been replaced by something newer?
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• 2681[18:24:55] <hyperlumic> MoonManT: Yes, check 'man ss',
• 2682[18:24:56] <jelly> MoonManT: ss instead of netstat
• 2683[18:25:30] <jelly> (you can still install net-tools, they're just not present by default)
• 2684[18:25:30] <MoonManT> hyperlumic: and jelly thank you
• 2685[18:25:31] <belatrix> So annadane, in your opinion going with your viewpoint, please throw in there whatever it is you think is potentially sound advice. I wont take it personal, and thank you for your input.
• 2686[18:25:46] <MoonManT> i did google it first but i guess im dumb
• 2687[18:26:02] <hyperlumic> MoonManT: I wouldn't go the net-tools route. It was deprecated YEARS ago.
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• 2689[18:26:30] <MoonManT> hyperlumic: thanks, i agreee i just spent the last week learning the ip command and systemd
• 2690[18:26:33] <jelly> MoonManT: replaced-url
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• 2692[18:27:07] <belatrix> MoonMant I'm constantly going back to the 400 page Linux book I love.
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• 2694[18:27:29] <MoonManT> belatrix: which book?
• 2695[18:27:51] <MoonManT> jelly: thanks i will give htis a read
• 2696[18:27:54] <PerfDave> Free Software, Free Society by Richard M Stallman
• 2697[18:27:54] <belatrix> O hell I have to many...
• 2698[18:28:16] <annadane> i find that book is excessively wordy as it's a collection of a large overlap of disparate essays
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• 2700[18:28:50] <belatrix> Linux a practical guide. . . pretty simple, PerfDave, I would agree with you on that with many books.
• 2701[18:28:57] <johnfg> Since the update of jessie->stretch, another strange thing has happened.
• 2702[18:29:07] * jelly wonders whether PerfDave can sing about joining us now and sharing the software
• 2703[18:29:19] <PerfDave> jelly: I can in fact do that
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• 2705[18:29:29] * PerfDave is not allowed to sing IRL at LUG meetings :(
• 2706[18:29:31] <belatrix> Excuse me I meant Annadane...
• 2707[18:29:46] <PerfDave> thinkl33t tells me off
• 2708[18:29:46] <annadane> OpenBSD has a song. GNU has a song. if debian doesn't get at least one song i am leaving
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• 2710[18:29:57] <PerfDave> I used to work for IBM, we have a songbook ;)
• 2711[18:30:03] <jelly> aww
• 2712[18:30:06] <MoonManT> annadane: lol i agree, maybe live to win? or danger zone
• 2713[18:30:18] <johnfg> An old (like well over a year, maybe more than 2!) email, to a defunct computer on our network, is showing up as undeliverable, in a cron message.
• 2714[18:30:23] <annadane> maybe we can get lamb to perform something
• 2715[18:30:23] <belatrix> Please start singing.
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• 2717[18:30:39] <MoonManT> south park live to win: replaced-url
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• 2721[18:31:30] <jelly> johnfg: and the same message repeats? Can you pastebin the headers and body?
• 2722[18:31:34] <johnfg> how can I get rid of the email.
• 2723[18:31:40] <johnfg> jelly: Yup, for sure.
• 2724[18:31:59] <jelly> and I mean full headers
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• 2727[18:33:26] <annadane> (don't get me wrong, it's a good book)
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• 2729[18:33:34] <annadane> important to read for those unaware of foss culture
• 2730[18:33:42] <jelly> johnfg: you'll have to figure out where it's coming from and which cronjob/which software is responsible for generating it
• 2731[18:34:00] <belatrix> Anyone in the Debian community have an opinion on Verge Coin, scam or not? I know it's off topic, just curious.
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• 2734[18:34:16] <PerfDave> If it's cryptocurrency, it's a scam ;)
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• 2736[18:34:39] <belatrix> Geez, that bad huh?
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• 2738[18:35:57] <hyperlumic> At this point, yes.
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• 2741[18:36:32] <jelly> when the vast majority of new coins or ICO are scam, it's a safe bet
• 2742[18:36:40] <belatrix> Hmmm... why so if you don't me asking for your opinion...
• 2743[18:36:42] <annadane> the basic issue is that you put a lot of trust in something without understanding how it works
• 2744[18:37:03] <annadane> and i think we're all guilty of that at one point or another
• 2745[18:37:14] <bites> with john mcafee involved, yes, lol.
• 2746[18:37:16] <belatrix> Nailed it annadane -)
• 2747[18:37:24] <annadane> r/bitcoin really is excessively optimistic
• 2748[18:37:45] <belatrix> Gosh, I've done really well in this piece of crap, but the 17th is tomorrow, and I'm indecisive.
• 2749[18:37:47] <hyperlumic> Shocking.
• 2750[18:37:56] <jelly> in any case, questions like that are better asked in #debian-offtopic
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• 2752[18:38:19] <jelly> questions like what? not-debian-tech-support related
• 2753[18:38:55] <belatrix> Ya your right Jelly, excuse me for going off topics, I just wanted to hear any opinions. Apologies.
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• 2758[18:39:45] <belatrix> haha hyperlumic, thanks for the encouragement.
• 2759[18:40:05] <hyperlumic> That's what I do.
• 2760[18:40:15] <belatrix> Your spot on, though lol.
• 2761[18:40:29] <belatrix> greeeeeed, somebody shoot me. pls!
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• 2764[18:40:43] <bites> pang!
• 2765[18:40:50] <belatrix> -)
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• 2768[18:41:19] <johnfg> jelly: Yeah, give me a few, even though I had the paste, I may have found the problem.
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• 2839[19:13:13] <apathor> hi. i'm installing a package that uses DKMS for a kernel module and it fails because kernel sources are not available. is there a standard package name for the current kernel's sources?
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• 2842[19:13:49] <apathor> or am i better off installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) ?
• 2843[19:13:58] <greycat> you only need the headers, not the full source
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• 2845[19:14:43] <apathor> oh hi greycat. right, just headers. is there a meta-package for the current kernel's headers?
• 2846[19:14:53] <greycat> what you guessed is what most people use
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• 2848[19:15:06] <apathor> cool will do. thanks
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• 2921[19:48:35] <belatrix> hYPERLUMIC?
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• 2939[19:55:08] <OS-27110> Question: passwd -l username add's a ! infront of the hashed password in /etc/shadow. usermod -L username likewise. adduser --system adds in a *
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• 2942[19:55:33] <OS-27110> is this all just cosmetic and i could iput anything in there as the hash won
• 2943[19:55:45] <greycat> If the hash is "x" then shadow is consulted.
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• 2945[19:55:59] <greycat> ( says passwd(5) )
• 2946[19:57:04] <OS-27110> elaborate please
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• 2948[19:57:54] <greycat> Oh, did you mean that adduser --system puts the * in shadow(5), not in passwd(5)?
• 2949[19:58:03] <OS-27110> yes correct
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• 2951[19:58:14] <greycat> I'm too used to older systems where some of the entries in /etc/passwd have * and some have x.
• 2952[19:58:17] <OS-27110> does it matter what goes in there?
• 2953[19:58:28] <greycat> Read passwd(5) and shadow(5) for details.
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• 2955[19:58:39] <OS-27110> i did read both
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• 2960[19:59:10] <OS-27110> as far as i can see they all do the same thing
• 2961[19:59:16] <OS-27110> one other thing
• 2962[19:59:28] <greycat> Second paragraph under "encrypted password" in shadow(5).
• 2963[20:00:08] <greycat> And then the 4th paragraph where it spells out "exclamation mark" instead of ! just to make it harder to skim the content.
• 2964[20:00:09] <OS-27110> ok
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• 2966[20:00:54] <OS-27110> ok i see that and get it
• 2967[20:00:58] <OS-27110> another question
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• 2971[20:02:54] <OS-27110> which linux is best :)
• 2972[20:03:00] <nmschulte> GNU/Linux?
• 2973[20:03:06] <OS-27110> i'm joking ofcourse :)
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• 2976[20:03:26] <OS-27110> GNU indeed
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• 2987[20:05:19] <petn-randall> OS-27110: Are you using Parrot or Kali?
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• 2993[20:06:57] <OS-27110> im using debian and kali
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• 2998[20:09:06] <OS-27110> atm i have only debian running
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• 3000[20:09:40] <OS-27110> greycat, thanks for the assistance
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• 3029[20:18:05] <jimm> ,v net-tools
• 3030[20:18:06] <judd> Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; buster: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-2; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-2
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• 3048[20:27:01] <belatrix> hyper
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• 3052[20:29:24] <annadane> belatrix, if you have a question just ask the rest of us instead of one specific person
• 3053[20:29:38] <annadane> also, i told you about tab completion
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• 3065[20:37:13] <belatrix> annadane when I have something to ask you I will. I appreciate it.
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• 3074[20:44:46] <W4RH4WK> hey there, is it normal that I do not get an IPv4 when I plugin a network cabel? (fresh installation, no network manager, interface is allow-hotplug)
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• 3076[20:45:23] <petemc> W4RH4WK: is the interface configured to use dhcp ?
• 3077[20:45:29] <W4RH4WK> yes
• 3078[20:45:42] <W4RH4WK> it works fine when i power on the machine and the cabel is connect
• 3079[20:46:24] <petn-randall> W4RH4WK: Read 'man interfaces' about that option, I think you're not understanding that option right.
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• 3081[20:46:35] <W4RH4WK> but when now cabel is connected, i boot the machine and then plugin a cabel i immediatly get 2 IPv6 but no IPv4
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• 3085[20:47:14] <W4RH4WK> after about 6-7 minutes or so, I get one. I don't know what causes that time window
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• 3088[20:47:51] <petn-randall> "allow-hotplug" doesn't care about any network cable being plugged.
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• 3093[20:52:04] <W4RH4WK> petn-randall: yes, thanks for pointing that out. I don't think the allow-hotplug option matters in this case. I just don't understand why it takes 5+ minutes to get an IP
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• 3095[20:53:06] <areyouloco> hi are there any sed masters? I want to edit one config file automatically like in a following example:
• 3096[20:53:06] <areyouloco> replaced-url
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• 3099[20:55:00] <W4RH4WK> areyouloco: have you tried sed 's/#_COLOR="false"/_COLOR="true"/'
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• 3106[20:56:12] <areyouloco> W4RH4WK: thanks! it will replace the whole line as a string. I need to go deeper into man sed one day
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• 3109[20:58:22] <W4RH4WK> regarding my network issue, could it be that dhclient periodically checks the interface (every 5 minutes or so) and issues a DHCP request when it notices that there is no ip?
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• 3339[23:03:03] <greycat> For mastering sed, there is /topic ##sed ...
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• 3354[23:08:34] <disi> im unable to change my passphrase or update the expiration of my pgp key using gpa on debian... anyone else hit this?
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• 3364[23:10:39] <hays_> I am getting: curl: (51) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name 'capitol.fun'
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• 3367[23:10:52] <hays_> from the same machine that is hosting capitol.fun
• 3368[23:11:01] <hays_> is this something wrong with curl? running Deb 9
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• 3371[23:11:28] <hays_> I can curl from other places. and oddly enough I can curl my other hosts just fine and they are all using certbot certificates and all don't seem to have any problems
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• 3378[23:15:14] <greycat> ... but true wisdom is learning that you don't want to call sed to "edit" files at all. Use a configuration management system.
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• 3383[23:17:16] <hays_> hmm this is really weird. when I look at curl verbose output, its pulling the wrong certificate
• 3384[23:17:26] <hays_> but its definitely right in the nginx config
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