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• 2[00:00:31] <psicobra> Rarity, usually a close model number will work
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• 7[00:01:01] <Rarity> psicobra, the thing is there is no PIXMA TS or just TS models
• 8[00:01:42] <psicobra> Rarity, yeah i was just looking at the available drivers
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• 10[00:01:56] <psicobra> just try a few different ones
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• 12[00:02:05] <psicobra> got nothing to loose
• 13[00:02:19] <alkisg> Rarity: you can download the driver from their site, replaced-url
• 14[00:02:38] <alkisg> It's in .deb form
• 15[00:02:42] <Rarity> Yeah, I'll try. I don't feel like going back to exchange it
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• 18[00:03:16] <Rarity> Oh
• 19[00:03:23] <Rarity> Maybe one of those will work
• 20[00:03:25] <alkisg> Having an hp plug 'n' play printer is good for future installations though :)
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• 22[00:03:44] <alkisg> Imagine trying to use it 10 years later, when no drivers from their site will work...
• 23[00:04:16] <psicobra> Rarity, replaced-url
• 24[00:04:44] <psicobra> alkisg, the last HP i had had no linux supported drivers
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• 26[00:05:23] <BlackFerdyPT> Anyone: following the instructions at replaced-url
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• 29[00:07:05] <Rarity> Ok I installed one of the deb file now I'll test
• 30[00:07:12] <psicobra> gl
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• 33[00:08:40] <alkisg> psicobra: which model was that?
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• 44[00:11:32] <Rarity> Oh it worked!!!
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• 47[00:11:47] <Rarity> Thanks alkisg and psicobra
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• 53[00:15:24] <BlackFerdyPT> Rarity, Yes. Going to the manufacturer's own webpage, and looking for "support" and "downloads" sections is the usual way to go.
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• 55[00:15:55] <Rarity> Yeah I didn't notice there was deb files
• 56[00:16:37] <psicobra> Rarity, welcome
• 57[00:16:46] <BlackFerdyPT> Rarity, the website I first mentioned was just a reference to see if there was such driver. Always download drivers from the manufacturer's websites. Others can contain malware.
• 58[00:17:29] <Rarity> Yeah I know about that.
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• 62[00:18:10] <annadane> compatibility is by far the biggest PITA with linux
• 63[00:18:23] <annadane> "my wifi doesn't work because drivers" "my printer doesn't work because drivers"
• 64[00:18:40] <dvs> "my car doesn't work because of drivers"
• 65[00:18:46] <annadane> ...
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• 67[00:19:04] <BlackFerdyPT> Well. Looks like I'll have to try Ubuntu again, for games installations. Bye all.
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• 82[00:32:43] <edju> Running Jessie here. Whenever I open KMail 4.14.1. akonadi spams the console with wierd stuff - a lot. I've pasted some of it at replaced-url
• 83[00:32:59] <pos> annadane, avoid broadcom and mediatek wifi, get a brother printer
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• 120[01:02:26] <wewlad> what language do daemons wrute their logs in?
• 121[01:02:30] <wewlad> write*
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• 132[01:06:15] <annadane> probably depends on the daemo
• 133[01:06:16] <annadane> n
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• 141[01:09:12] <u0_a214_> hi u all
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• 190[01:43:06] <soul-d> so i did something and suddly my desktop is a virtual screen little bigger and now it moves around all tje time tried schanging resolution but it still makes desktop buiggewr then actual scren
• 191[01:43:17] <soul-d> how do i undo this virtual screen
• 192[01:44:46] <Tom_-> arandr command maybe
• 193[01:44:58] <Tom_-> there's resolution changers in different desktop environments
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• 203[01:48:41] <soul-d> ah better method is usoing nvidia settings then move screen somewhere far randomly away from their edged then it fixes this virutal screen din't do it last time i tried it though
• 204[01:48:55] <soul-d> maybe multi monitor thing
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• 400[04:34:40] <azzz> hi guys... screaming panic pulling my hair out here. 30-40 mins ago i let my stretch do an update it wanted to do ... it restarted, installed, restarted again like it suppose to ... when i get back into my system, all my stuff is missing. now, "All my stuff" is actually an sshfs location mounted to my machine from a server here ... its making the connection fine no errors, i can browse to locations fine as always mounted as locations on my
• 401[04:34:40] <azzz> machine, but ALLLLLLLLLL my stuff is GONE .... i cant see a thing ... if i ssh into the server, i see all my stuff is still sitting right there .... ANY idea what in the WORLD has happened ?
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• 403[04:35:35] <azzz> i use stretch stable ... and everything file management is always with default nautiuls
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• 405[04:40:00] <azzz> i cant find anything remotely related through google... hence here
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• 420[04:50:19] <annadane> i guess the first thing to do is to look at /var/log/apt/history.log to see what actually got updated
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• 439[05:00:46] <n0am> how to get clisp in stretch?
• 440[05:02:17] <annadane> ,v clisp
• 441[05:02:18] <judd> Package: clisp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.49-8.1; buster: 1:2.49.20170913-4+b1; sid: 1:2.49.20170913-4+b1; experimental: 1:2.49.20180218+really2.49.92-1
• 442[05:02:29] <annadane> !ssb
• 443[05:02:29] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 444[05:03:17] <n0am> is there another lisp available?
• 445[05:03:25] <n0am> instead of backport?
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• 447[05:03:57] <annadane> not sure
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• 469[05:18:38] <xecuter> hi
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• 471[05:18:54] <moussa> o/
• 472[05:19:10] <xecuter> what do you think about Debian on ARM TinkerBoard (Asus) ?
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• 474[05:19:57] <moussa> if it works should be ok
• 475[05:20:16] <moussa> !?
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• 477[05:20:22] <xecuter> do you know some debian tipps and tricks?
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• 482[05:21:08] <annadane> !newcomer
• 483[05:21:08] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
• 484[05:21:19] <annadane> i'm glad i decided to make that
• 485[05:21:34] <xecuter> i have a mysterium. in synaptic... "linux-image" there is no one installed
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• 494[05:26:11] <xecuter> how i can "kernel update", now ?
• 495[05:26:53] <annadane> what does dpkg -l linux-image* say?
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• 499[05:27:38] <xecuter> dpkg-query: Kein Paket gefunden, das auf linux-image passt
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• 503[05:28:37] <annadane> um...
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• 508[05:30:14] <xecuter> if i join about putty: message stuff.... Linux Pinguin 4.4.71+ #1 SMP armv71
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• 512[05:31:12] <annadane> !pinguin
• 513[05:31:22] <annadane> are you actually running debian?
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• 515[05:31:44] <xecuter> Debian GNU/Linux
• 516[05:32:03] <dvs> xecuter, then you would have linux-image packages
• 517[05:32:32] <xecuter> (stretch)
• 518[05:32:41] <dvs> xecuter, you couldn't start up Debian without those packages.
• 519[05:33:33] <xecuter> in synaptic, there are linux-images. but no one is selected/installed. so i can not understand, what kernel-image is compatible
• 520[05:33:58] <annadane> 4.4.71 is a really weird kernel to have
• 521[05:34:02] <annadane> and also really old
• 522[05:34:04] <dvs> very
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• 524[05:35:56] <annadane> what does uname -a say
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• 527[05:36:14] <xecuter> in synaptic i see hmm... linux-image-armmp ; linux-image-armmp-lpae ; linux-image-4.9.0.6-armmp
• 528[05:36:36] <annadane> well, yes, 4.9.0.6 is standard stable kernel
• 529[05:36:57] <xecuter> but there is no preinstalled there, so i can not orientating
• 530[05:37:08] <xecuter> uname -r : 4.4.71+
• 531[05:37:17] <annadane> i said -a...
• 532[05:37:45] <xecuter> uname -a : Linux Pinguin 4.4.71+ #1 SMP Thu Sep 28 00:28:12 CST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
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• 536[05:39:32] <annadane> xecuter, where did you get your linux installation from
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• 540[05:40:55] <annadane> you're not using debian and i've never heard of linux pinguin and searching it is yielding no results
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• 543[05:41:28] <xecuter> from tinkerboard co uk , i think so
• 544[05:41:39] <xecuter> debian for arm (tinkerboard)
• 545[05:42:52] <annadane> well, anyway, debian is reserved for debian questions
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• 547[05:42:57] <annadane> !based on debian
• 548[05:42:57] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 549[05:43:11] <annadane> it's not that i'm trying to be unhelpful but we really can't know the answers to your questions
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• 551[05:43:53] <annadane> i would point you in the direction of support resources but i don't know where those would be, i guess a good place to start is ##armbian
• 552[05:44:02] <annadane> sorry; #armbian
• 553[05:44:02] <xecuter> hmmm i thought if it is not debian so it is a distribution. as like as ubuntu
• 554[05:44:25] <annadane> yes, we don't accept ubuntu questions here either, as a rule
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• 569[05:49:52] <xecuter> hmmm... replaced-url
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• 571[05:50:55] <dvs> xecuter, What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
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• 573[05:51:16] <xecuter> 9.4
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• 580[05:53:09] <xecuter> $cat /proc/version -->> Linux version 4.4.71+ (jenkins@replaced-ip) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu/Linaro 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #1 SMP Thu Sep 28 00:28:12 CST 2017
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• 582[05:53:39] <xecuter> uhh i have ubuntu? lol. that is unexpected
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• 589[05:54:56] <annadane> anyway, you can probably try asking ##linux for any questions you have
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• 592[05:55:38] <xecuter> i will try
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• 616[06:08:04] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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• 618[06:08:38] <OtakuSenpai> copied from here replaced-url
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• 620[06:08:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 683[06:51:58] <n4dir> annadane: awal1 As advised by the both of you i disabled cookies and set the sites where i want them in the exceptions (in firefox'es Preferences). When i close Firefox, i gotta start all over again. I have set Firefox to remove everything after it closes. Any idea how to work around it?
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• 685[06:54:15] <annadane> afaik there isn't a way to do that in firefox; are you on esr in stable? then i don't remember whether you can install the cookie delete extension thing and whether it has an option to keep only certain cookies but wipe everything when shut down
• 686[06:54:19] <annadane> tl;dr: i don't know, sorry
• 687[06:54:42] <annadane> i'm referencing replaced-url
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• 689[06:54:53] <awal1> n4dir, I told you me i always set firefox to remove everything after it closes; I haven't suggested you that. but yeah, I suggested you to make exceptions
• 690[06:55:09] <n4dir> ah, ok, thanks. It doesn't bother me that much (i need cookies for a very few sites, rather 2 than 5 :-) ). But if it was possible, it would be a more elegant solution.
• 691[06:55:28] <annadane> assuming what you want is to only allow certain cookies but wipe everything including those cookies upon closing it
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• 693[06:55:35] <n4dir> anyway: your (plural) solution is perfect. Thanks again
• 694[06:55:35] <awal1> exceptions is compatible with not accepts other cookies
• 695[06:55:59] <annadane> i stopped using firefox anyway and moved to waterfox, which is a lot better with extension compatibility
• 696[06:56:09] <n4dir> annadane: i don't want to keep the cookies, i want to keep the exceptions
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• 698[06:56:20] <awal1> n4dir, my idea was: block all cookies except the one you put in 'exceptions'
• 699[06:56:29] <n4dir> awal1: yes, that is what i did.
• 700[06:57:15] <n4dir> Well: i guess if i don't accept cookies, there is no reason to delete them if i close firefox ... :-)
• 701[06:57:17] <awal1> n4dir, in that case you can make firefox remove everything when it closes, except cookies
• 702[06:57:28] <n4dir> awal1: yeah. will try that.
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• 704[06:58:04] <awal1> check if in remove everything after 'close' you can uncheck cookies, if it is there
• 705[06:58:08] <awal1> n4dir
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• 707[06:58:36] <n4dir> hmm. that didn't work either.
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• 709[06:59:43] <n4dir> i will just add the exception each time i visit a website where i need them.
• 710[06:59:46] <awal1> in remove everything you have a cookies line?
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• 713[07:00:20] <awal1> i have firefox in a vm, let me start it and see
• 714[07:00:36] <n4dir> awal1: yes. You have a cookies line
• 715[07:00:37] <awal1> I need a few minutes, slow machine here
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• 718[07:00:57] <n4dir> in exceptions there is also a) allow for session and b) allow. But both seem to do the same thing.
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• 720[07:01:26] <awal1> n4dir, so my guess is unchecking that line , firefox will remove everything except the cookies in 'exceptions'
• 721[07:01:30] <n4dir> my main problem was that cookies were stored which i didn't want. That problem is solved, thanks to the both of you.
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• 724[07:04:16] <n4dir> awal1: i excluded "Site Preferences" from getting cleaned after firefox-shutdown, and now the Exceptions are getting kept. Whew. Thanks for your help
• 725[07:04:39] <annadane> i have no clue how true this is and it's possible debian takes steps to curate this but replaced-url
• 726[07:05:20] <annadane> not trying to sell people on one or another, though
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• 731[07:06:05] <awal1> n4dir, nice for you so, I guess 'cookies' in exceptions are 'site preferences' related so?
• 732[07:06:22] <n4dir> awal1: you ask the wrong guy, but yes, it looks like what you said.
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• 735[07:07:18] <n4dir> i had that "problem" for more than a year, rather two. Not sure when cookies-monster was not available for firefox anymore. Pretty easy solution, and even without a plugin (which i always prefer)
• 736[07:07:41] <n4dir> annadane: i don't fully understand. You speak about privacy regarding firefox?
• 737[07:07:57] <n4dir> you = reddit post you linked to.
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• 739[07:08:41] <annadane> yeah so i just linked to a comment someone else made, quoting someone else who said "you can opt out of telemetry" and them responding "until they have a 'bug' which..."
• 740[07:08:47] <awal1> n4dir, well I believe so if as you say, checking everything except 'cookies' and 'site preferences' in 'remove everything when ff closes' , firefox doesn't remove your cookies saved in ' history'cookies-exceptions'
• 741[07:08:49] <n4dir> anyway i was much into darknets before i ran into different "problems".
• 742[07:09:20] <awal1> pme I just clean everything after close
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• 744[07:09:30] <annadane> people are having objections to firefox over the recent months which surprises me as i always felt it was trustworthy
• 745[07:09:41] <bipul> bnm,nm.''
• 746[07:10:05] <awal1> ff startup page is bloated with stupid stuff now
• 747[07:10:10] <n4dir> annadane: when it came to darknets there always were some default settings of firefox which are, to put it mildly, questionable. But such subjects are above me.
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• 749[07:10:40] <n4dir> i looked at all possible browsers, but always went back to firefox.
• 750[07:10:42] <annadane> i think some people using waterfox don't even care about the privacy, they just want to keep being able to use their extensions
• 751[07:10:58] <annadane> anyway, it and the privacy policies sold me, but i'm not here to advocate one or another
• 752[07:12:18] <n4dir> dillo to the rescue ! :-)
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• 754[07:13:11] <awal1> security+privacy+customization ff wins
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• 758[07:14:11] <awal1> chromium is also secure but privacy and customization almost 0
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• 760[07:15:08] <annadane> i think not a lot of people are aware of waterfox, or really anything other than firefox/chrome/chromium
• 761[07:15:20] <annadane> i see brave/vivaldi recommended a bunch and i think they're both closed source
• 762[07:15:35] <annadane> so it's nice to make people aware of alternatives
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• 765[07:17:13] <n4dir> annadane: i assume waterfox is a fork of firefox. I hear about such forks all the time (and think it is good). But my other problem is low ressources, so i would also be looking for a more small webbrowser.
• 766[07:17:29] <n4dir> anyway it is always good to hear about such solutions.
• 767[07:17:42] <annadane> well, security fixes are backported
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• 771[07:20:38] <aaap> annadane, you do not like the newer mozilla firefox for it's resources intensive op?
• 772[07:21:21] <annadane> i just think ff is going in the wrong direction a little bit
• 773[07:22:32] <aaap> annadane, i guess you just a normal user
• 774[07:23:07] <annadane> uh... k.
• 775[07:24:25] <Unit193> annadane: "Wrong direction" have anything to do with removal of support for the more powerful addons?
• 776[07:24:49] <annadane> no, just more the privacy side of it
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• 778[07:25:34] <AlwaysHigh> whats an offical method to run a bunch of commands/scripts at startup
• 779[07:26:27] <AlwaysHigh> i saw rc.local but bunch of places say its deprecated
• 780[07:26:44] <annadane> i think generally the answer is cronjobs
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• 782[07:27:08] <alkisg> AlwaysHigh:or, to create a systemd unit
• 783[07:27:53] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 787[07:29:54] <expert975> What's wrong with rc.local?
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• 790[07:30:44] <awal1> n4dir, I suggest you to visit ff help site and check what 'site preferences' involves exactly
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• 792[07:31:37] <AlwaysHigh> expert975, they say its deprecated
• 793[07:31:46] <AlwaysHigh> better to use something thats gonna about around in the future
• 794[07:32:37] <expert975> AlwaysHigh: What's a good alternative?
• 795[07:32:51] <AlwaysHigh> well what they said above systemd or crontab
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• 800[07:33:44] * annadane wonders where the most authoritative systemd documentation is
• 801[07:33:50] <annadane> i actually think there's a website for it
• 802[07:34:14] <aaro> what about debian wiki
• 803[07:34:28] <annadane> debian wiki is rarely completely comprehensive
• 804[07:34:39] <annadane> and sometimes outdated
• 805[07:34:55] <annadane> anyway, replaced-url
• 806[07:35:26] <annadane> the arch wiki is terrifyingly complete as always
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• 808[07:35:40] <awal1> annadane, 'telemetry' is disabled in ff debian pkg by default, also send 'send reports' (not sure how it is called exactly
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• 811[07:36:01] <annadane> meh, it's possible
• 812[07:36:12] <annadane> i just find i wanted to switch for personal reasons
• 813[07:36:15] <awal1> possible, no; it is sure
• 814[07:36:47] <awal1> ff is my main web browser; just not installed in my current machine
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• 816[07:37:02] <annadane> i do trust debian packagers, i just wonder how many eyes on the code there are
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• 818[07:38:16] <awal1> but yeah, on a fresh install ff pop-ups a small bar asking what you want to do with that telemetry and errors reports in in settings
• 819[07:38:39] <awal1> but debian have that disabled by default
• 820[07:39:16] <awal1> maybe some users prefers to enable all that
• 821[07:39:25] <awal1> sounds reasonable for me
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• 824[07:41:06] <n4dir> annadane: this slightly paranoid dev had some good notes about firefox, must be a decade old, but a pity: the site seems to be under reconstruction: replaced-url
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• 827[07:41:48] <awal1> if fact , how ff can be aware of bugs and performance if no body enables errors report and telemetry?
• 828[07:42:12] <n4dir> disable all scripts, else don't even think about security, use as few plugins as possible and make sure to get no warnings (which is kinda weird, but that's what he said).
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• 830[07:43:12] <annadane> there are a couple of reasons i switched, not just that
• 831[07:43:19] <awal1> so, for me, as debian approach (disable telemetry and errors reports by default but let ff pop-up a question asking end user what to do with that) is a wise choice
• 832[07:43:19] <annadane> but it doesn't matter, people can use what they want
• 833[07:43:30] <n4dir> at least i found the summary i made myself: replaced-url
• 834[07:43:34] <annadane> i'm not here to argue it
• 835[07:44:06] <n4dir> if you don't want to argue about webbrowser at least let's start a good-old-fashioned flamewar about editors.
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• 837[07:44:41] <annadane> i was just saying, i switched for my own reasons, not to try to convert people
• 838[07:46:07] <n4dir> to me that was clear all the time ... :-)
• 839[07:47:16] <awal1> and, addons are not always sane as you may remember #842939
• 840[07:47:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 841[07:47:53] <awal1> I used that extension several years ... :D
• 842[07:48:18] <annadane> at this point i simply trust the waterfox project a lot more
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• 844[07:49:05] <awal1> wot was a very popular addon, also for chromium/chrome users
• 845[07:49:07] <n4dir> let me install it. My main argument against firefox clones is that they come and go. So simply lazy.
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• 847[07:49:51] <awal1> trust is a rixky word :P
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• 849[07:49:56] <dudz> dillo should do what you want
• 850[07:50:13] <awal1> it is impossible to audit every pkg
• 851[07:51:26] <awal1> read what is explained in that bug is interesting
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• 855[07:57:13] <annadane> replaced-url
• 856[07:57:29] <annadane> so while debian can catch a lot of it... i'd rather just move on
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• 861[07:59:30] <annadane> interestingly, i notice a lot of downvotes whenever this gets brought up
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• 866[08:00:54] <n4dir> jesus. that is worth than i would have assumed.
• 867[08:01:26] <annadane> it's worth pointing out that *i don't know* how much of this is true
• 868[08:01:56] <n4dir> sure. but there is quite a bit of mistrust, and firefox has earned it.
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• 872[08:03:36] <n4dir> gotta run. thanks again to both of you for helping me with the cookies problem. later.
• 873[08:03:49] <coderphive> heh
• 874[08:04:03] <coderphive> I feel like mozilla is hardly the privacy superheros they make themselves out to be
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• 879[08:07:23] <annadane> part of the problem with anything is that people look at a brand name and don't investigate further
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• 883[08:09:01] <coderphive> annadane true
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• 886[08:10:05] <annadane> the most extreme example of which is google, "it's okay, they said they won't be evil"
• 887[08:10:19] <annadane> google is... i won't say worse than hitler, however...
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• 891[08:11:21] <annadane> facebook repeatedly stresses that they "respect your privacy"
• 892[08:13:13] <coderphive> meh
• 893[08:13:28] <coderphive> I give Google data and they provide me some meaningful, useful services
• 894[08:13:47] <coderphive> You give Facebook an equal amount of data and they provide you...
• 895[08:13:51] <coderphive> a social network
• 896[08:14:13] <annadane> which is fine, until they start creating shadow profiles of you because of their cookies installed on other web pages
• 897[08:14:22] <coderphive> People need to understand data is a currency and it has value. If you're willing to trade it, make your currency expensive.
• 898[08:14:30] <coderphive> That's true
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• 900[08:16:25] <coderphive> We honestly don't teach people enough about the difference between what they're willingly sharing is and theft though
• 901[08:16:38] <coderphive> so that confusion I think overshadows the real oversteps in privacy
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• 903[08:17:44] <coderphive> My analogy of data as a currency actually makes even more sense in that context
• 904[08:18:16] <annadane> "target ads" by itself is fine. in the perfect world where nobody does anything nefarious and hidden
• 905[08:18:33] <annadane> s/target/targetted
• 906[08:18:36] <chzz> identity isn't fungible like currency
• 907[08:19:02] <coderphive> elaborate
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• 910[08:20:08] <Sveta> Installed a lot of unnecessary packages. Nearly run out of space at rootfs (10GB). What can I use, other than ncdu, to identify the source of the problem?
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• 912[08:20:34] <coderphive> not all data leads to a revealing of identity
• 913[08:22:20] <annadane> Sveta, df -ah maybe
• 914[08:22:27] <coderphive> you likely have a smart electrical meter that they use to generate data/metrics. That in no way reveals identity.
• 915[08:23:08] <coderphive> Sveta use du
• 916[08:23:31] <coderphive> oh nvm
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• 918[08:23:46] <annadane> yeah maybe du
• 919[08:24:43] <coderphive> xdiskusage if you're looking for something with a gui
• 920[08:25:08] <coderphive> I've always seen xdiskusage as pretty effective though
• 921[08:25:13] <annadane> a number of DEs come with their own disk usage analyzers
• 922[08:25:22] <annadane> but if you're already running out of space anyway...
• 923[08:25:56] <coderphive> I would imagine cleaning up the apt cache would probably help substantially
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• 925[08:26:20] <coderphive> Sveta have you done that?
• 926[08:27:13] <annadane> gnu icecat also looks promising, at least gnu will never waver on political stances
• 927[08:27:36] <annadane> the trouble with firefox and other packages is that even though debian packages it they're still packages from upstream
• 928[08:27:43] <annadane> waterfox + icecat are made in-house
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• 944[08:40:17] <annadane> (which actually doesn't make any sense, i just realized... ignore that last bit)
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• 961[08:53:49] <no_gravity> Good Morning
• 962[08:54:11] <no_gravity> What's a good place to store stuff that can be deleted upon next boot?
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• 966[08:57:26] <tvm> no_gravity: /tmp ?
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• 968[08:58:19] <no_gravity> tvm: Is /tmp/ like that? It's cleared on boot?
• 969[08:58:28] <tvm> no_gravity: exactly like that
• 970[08:58:32] <no_gravity> Nice!
• 971[08:59:20] <tvm> tmp means temporary and is usually used by a lot of apps to keep various temporary data that's not relevant after shutdown/reboot
• 972[08:59:23] * annadane still pronounces it in my head like 'timp'
• 973[08:59:48] <no_gravity> tvm: The thing is that I need the data even after the app terminates. I just don't need it after the next reboot.
• 974[09:00:01] <tvm> yeah, so it's perfect for your case
• 975[09:00:07] <no_gravity> Awesome, thanks!
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• 991[09:10:42] <no_gravity> What is the mechanism behind wiping it?
• 992[09:10:48] <no_gravity> Who does it?
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• 1004[09:18:04] <MrSmile5800> Hi people
• 1005[09:19:31] <no_gravity> Yo MrSmile5800
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• 1009[09:20:36] <MrSmile5800> Hey people, I have installed debian testing on my machine and I got problem with a firmware.
• 1010[09:21:57] <MrSmile5800> replaced-url
• 1011[09:22:17] <MrSmile5800> anyone can tell me how to install firmware for debian testing ?
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• 1013[09:22:41] <no_gravity> I for one don't even really know what firmware is.
• 1014[09:23:36] <MrSmile5800> it is intel wifi
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• 1016[09:24:38] <MrSmile5800> i found it... reboot
• 1017[09:24:39] <MrSmile5800> :)
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• 1042[09:33:38] <hoijui> my (XFCE) desktop is filled with icons of mountable devices, as i have one, which keeps adding a new icon every time i connect it. where are the files corresponding to these icons, so i can delete them?
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• 1088[10:16:32] <tpanarch1st_> good morning, if I wanted to ignore proxmox being installed and simply back up the operating system (in this case Debian) to a portable usb are there any extra factors to consider please?
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• 1097[10:20:33] <Trojen1> Arch is better
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• 1101[10:21:16] <tpanarch1st_> Trojen1: ahh i feel comfortable with Debian - I just like it
• 1102[10:21:42] <tpanarch1st_> and I use Mint and Proxmox both based on Deb so when I want a server set up, i just install pure debian
• 1103[10:21:59] <Trojen1> I use deb
• 1104[10:22:05] <Trojen1> Im using deb right now actually.
• 1105[10:22:13] <Trojen1> ALl though I prefer Qubes.
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• 1114[10:25:51] <nnull> anyone know how i can get sound to work in debian? the audio levels show audio is being played with pauvcontrol but nothing comes out of my headphones
• 1115[10:26:35] <nnull> oddly, if i try to change the jacks during the system being live, it hard locks
• 1116[10:26:46] <tpanarch1st_> nnull: have you checked volume and any kind of mute?
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• 1119[10:27:12] <nnull> yeah tpanarch1st_ even in alsamixer
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• 1121[10:27:50] <tpanarch1st_> ah, i'm out of my depth i'm afraid but sometimes the basics are overlooked :)
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• 1134[10:30:05] <nnull> googled about it for around 2 hours, seems a few people have this problem but knowone has it solved :(
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• 1139[10:31:30] <spacemn> nnull: you mean if you switch your headphones plug your system freezes?
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• 1145[10:31:57] <nnull> spacemn, yes indeed
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• 1149[10:34:31] <spacemn> nnull: maybe the code that senses headphones/headset in the audio driver, no oopses in the logs?
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• 1152[10:35:35] <spacemn> nnull: I've played in the past with module options for headset detection
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• 1157[10:37:15] <nnull> just double checking the logs / the boot log seems all dandy
• 1158[10:37:49] <spacemn> nnull: with my HW I added the model=dell-headset-multi to the snd-hda-intel module, but never had hangs, only lacks of audio output
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• 1161[10:39:37] <nnull> did that fix the audio output? its stable as long as i don't flip jacks / would settle for just having audio hehe
• 1162[10:39:45] <spacemn> nnull: there are other options described in the module if you are using the same
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• 1164[10:40:01] <spacemn> nnull: don't know if it's the same chipset
• 1165[10:40:24] <nnull> Audio device: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 06)
• 1166[10:40:37] <switch_> -
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• 1173[10:46:10] <spacemn> nnull: Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 09)
• 1174[10:46:12] <spacemn> Subsystem: Dell Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller
• 1175[10:46:40] <nnull> Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation C600/X79 series chipset High Definition Audio Controller
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• 1189[11:00:46] <icarious> Hi. Is it possible to configure apt not to add services to systemd autostart after installation? Kinda like what Arch does. For install I don't want sshd to be put on autostart after I install it
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• 1197[11:05:46] <emucla> icarious I'm reading this -> replaced-url
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• 1200[11:06:15] <emucla> at the middle of the article explains how to disable services
• 1201[11:06:25] <emucla> may help
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• 1203[11:06:45] <icarious> emucla: my question was not about how to disable services, but how to disable "APT" from adding to autostart post installation
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• 1205[11:07:40] <ZEROGOD> , ,
• 1206[11:07:40] <ZEROGOD> /(_, ,_)\
• 1207[11:07:41] <ZEROGOD> \ _/ \_ / i r c . s u p e r n e t s . o r g
• 1208[11:07:42] <ZEROGOD> // \\
• 1209[11:07:43] <ZEROGOD> \\ (@)(@) // # s u p e r b o w l
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• 1214[11:09:27] <tpanarch1st_> nice piece of artwork there hehe
• 1215[11:09:36] <spacemn> nnull: other than pointing you to the alsa-project.org and searching if the chipset model is supported (replaced-url
• 1216[11:09:51] <mateothegreat> pshhh could've done better
• 1217[11:10:11] <tpanarch1st_> curious how he did it
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• 1220[11:11:01] <tpanarch1st_> would be nice to see a nice looking IRC Client with font kerning and similar
• 1221[11:12:10] <spacemn> nnull: I would look if the hangs are kernel related (as I suspect) and report them upstream
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• 1223[11:12:45] <nnull> spacemn, rgrgr thanks anyway mate
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• 1325[12:29:50] <ychaouche> Quick poll : how do you shutdown your machine ?
• 1326[12:29:53] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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• 1344[12:47:08] <at0m> ychaouche: "poweroff" as root ?
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• 1346[12:48:20] <ychaouche> Will it actually power off the machine or just bring the system down to a halt state (leaving it powered on but with no system running)
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• 1349[12:49:16] <sine0> chown owner:creator /
• 1350[12:49:17] <sine0> ?
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• 1356[12:53:07] <Li> debian newly installed no ufw activated is not able to reach lan connected devices! no ping, no nmap, no webservers .. has an ip within the same subnet and accessing the internet
• 1357[12:53:27] <Li> any suggestions
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• 1360[12:56:31] <expert975> ychaouche: systemctl poweroff
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• 1362[12:57:24] <ychaouche> the standard way in the systemd toolset
• 1363[12:58:24] <ychaouche> Li: can you reach the Internet ?
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• 1365[12:59:53] <apollo13> Li: when I have problems like that the subnet mask is usually /32, show output if ip addr show
• 1366[13:00:47] <Li> ychaouche: I can browse the internet
• 1367[13:01:20] <ychaouche> What is your IP and what is the IP you can't ping in the LAN ?
• 1368[13:01:22] <Li> apollo13: IP/24
• 1369[13:01:35] <Li> same subnet
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• 1371[13:01:57] <apollo13> as I said, please share your ip addr output
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• 1385[13:09:03] <Li> replaced-url
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• 1443[13:48:33] <techie28> is the 1st set of lines same as the 2nd one here? replaced-url
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• 1447[13:51:27] <n4dir> the line which starts with deb the same being like the one which starts with deb-src ? (the obvious answer: no, they aren't the same).
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• 1450[13:51:45] <Sepultura> Hallo
• 1451[13:52:12] <Sepultura> why do I get "Permission denied to resize filesystem" when I type resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2 ?
• 1452[13:52:35] <ychaouche> techie28: I can't tell, it depends how the FTP server is configured for uk
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• 1455[13:53:37] <ychaouche> techie28: those are just ftp servers, you can check for yourself by pointing your browser at them and looking for the stretch directory then update subdirectory (for the first couple lines) and the stretch-update directory in the second couple lines.
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• 1462[13:56:13] <ychaouche> techie28: first couple lines look outdated to me
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• 1464[13:56:58] <ychaouche> here's for uk : replaced-url
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• 1516[14:23:15] <wewlad> hello
• 1517[14:23:20] <wewlad> I have issues with installed packages
• 1518[14:23:31] <wewlad> I want to remove all nginx from the system, but it fails
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• 1520[14:25:02] <wewlad> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 1522[14:25:23] <wewlad> dpkg: error processing package nginx-full (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
• 1523[14:25:24] <dpkg> wewlad: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 1525[14:25:55] <spacemn> Sepultura: other than not being root maybe the partition is mounted
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• 1551[14:36:59] <TrojenDIs> !ep1
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• 1553[14:37:41] <TrojenDIs> MSG+
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• 1556[14:39:48] <nanom> .j #linux
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• 1565[14:44:54] <martin-_-_> hi
• 1566[14:45:43] <martin-_-_> i got a vm with internet, whats the best way send files from the vm to the host? ftp or a could storage ?
• 1567[14:46:31] <alkisg> scp, ssfhs
• 1568[14:46:50] <alkisg> shared folders, if the vm supports it...
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• 1570[14:47:18] <mackerel449> i cant login with gdm3 into gnome x11 on stretch, if i "startx" i get xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
• 1571[14:47:31] <wewlad> help me with removing nginx
• 1572[14:47:33] <wewlad> replaced-url
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• 1583[14:49:25] <mackerel449> im on a haswell igp, wayland works but its not an option anymore as some apps dont work and i cant lock the screen with the "startx" workaround
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• 1593[14:54:24] <mackerel449> wewlad: for the locale stuff do "dpkg-reconfigure locales", for nginx i would check the output of "systemctl status nginx.service"
• 1594[14:54:42] <wewlad> mackerel449: already solved that
• 1595[14:55:08] <wewlad> as for nginx - it turned out that I needed to stop docker first (because it used http/https ports)
• 1596[14:55:19] <wewlad> stop docker; remove nginx; start docker back
• 1597[14:55:26] <wewlad> this did the trick, but it was weird
• 1598[14:55:49] <wewlad> I told my damn package manage to remove the damn package and it refused because the package had errors in its log
• 1599[14:55:54] <mackerel449> wewlad: sometimes if it cant stop a service related to a package it won't uninstall
• 1600[14:56:07] <wewlad> mackerel449: the service was stopped
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• 1602[14:56:31] <wewlad> also, it should've been in the apt remove's script
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• 1606[14:56:59] <wewlad> if I tell the system to get rid of this package - I surely as hell expect that it's service won't work anymore
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• 1609[14:58:52] <wewlad> also, more weird stuff: `sudo dpkg -l | grep nginx` lists a lot of `libnginx-mod-...` and a `nginx-common` package, I do `sudo apt remove nginx-common` and it says `Package 'nginx-common' is not installed, so not removed`
• 1610[14:58:55] <wewlad> whaaaa?
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• 1612[15:00:05] <mackerel449> wewlad: nginx is the "main" package, and you can choose between nginx-full and -light if you delete one its gonna install the other because nginx depends on nginx-full or nginx-light
• 1613[15:00:36] <wewlad> mackerel449: I want to wipe all nginx packages completely
• 1614[15:00:46] <dvs> wewlad, I'd remove libnginx and see what happens
• 1615[15:01:12] <wewlad> dvs: same as with nginx-common
• 1616[15:02:23] <wewlad> I guess I don't have any nginx packages installed and `dpkg -l` just lies to me
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• 1618[15:03:39] <wewlad> `sudo dpkg -r nginx-common` -> `dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove nginx-common, only the config files of which are on the system; use --purge to remove them too`
• 1619[15:05:35] <mackerel449> wewlad: you gotta remove libnginx-mod-* packages separately, removing nginx-common won't do that
• 1620[15:06:25] <wewlad> probably `dpkg -l` doesn't do what I think it does: it doesn't list installed packages, it lists installed packages and removed packages with non-removed configs
• 1621[15:06:54] <wewlad> so I needed to `dpkg --purge nginx-common` to finally make `dpkg -l` not list it anymore
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• 1623[15:07:49] <mackerel449> wewlad: dpkg list packages with residual configurations
• 1624[15:08:38] <mackerel449> lists*
• 1625[15:08:50] <dvs> wewlad, "dpkg -l" will always list it. The status characters at the beginning of the line will change.
• 1626[15:08:52] <wewlad> yeah, I never knew that
• 1627[15:09:05] <wewlad> just purged all those packages
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• 1629[15:09:14] <wewlad> `dpkg -l` now doesn't list them anymore
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• 1631[15:09:18] <wewlad> yay, a win
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• 1692[15:47:33] <sine0> anyone familiar with exim4 in debian. Do I need to install the heavy in order to configure ACL in teh config ?
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• 1701[15:53:13] <me7zg3r> Greetings! Is there anyone willing to help a newbie?
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• 1705[15:55:20] <fizzizist> me7zg3r: I am willing to help if I can
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• 1710[16:00:12] <me7zg3r> I'm trying to set up steam on startup with environment (runtime=0, lang=c), from what I understand ~/.profile should be used for that, which would call scripts, that should be executable, owned by root and ending in .sh, is that accurate?
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• 1723[16:04:35] <fizzizist> me7zg3r: You might want to try something like this replaced-url
• 1724[16:05:02] <me7zg3r> thanks for pointing, sorry, I know those are generic problems and I truly love searching not to create a dozen of useless forum posts :)
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• 1726[16:05:12] <me7zg3r> I shall check on that and brb with results
• 1727[16:05:48] <fizzizist> no problem :)
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• 1729[16:06:44] <mackerel449> i can't start a gnome X11 session from gdm on an intel haswell, i tried different kernels, xorg.conf hacks, installing the modesetting driver. startx works but i can't lock the screen, i get "xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)" when using startx in the console.
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• 1733[16:08:05] <mackerel449> it worked like a month ago, im not sure if an upgrade broke it
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• 1736[16:09:23] <me7zg3r> is there also an nvidia driver in the system?
• 1737[16:09:34] <me7zg3r> found this: might be relevant replaced-url
• 1738[16:09:59] <me7zg3r> a nvidia driver*
• 1739[16:10:14] <mackerel449> me7zg3r: only nouveau, there is no nvidia gpu installed
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• 1743[16:11:30] <me7zg3r> Fix is easy, install another chroot to try Debian Stretch ;)
• 1744[16:11:33] <me7zg3r> (which has newer version of Xorg running fine still after the Chrome OS update)
• 1745[16:11:35] <me7zg3r> i.e. the issue depends on the distro/release of the chroot in use.
• 1746[16:11:37] <me7zg3r> here is what i've found on web
• 1747[16:11:41] <me7zg3r> replaced-url
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• 1752[16:13:34] <mackerel449> forgot to add that im on stretch, when i try to log in the screen goes black for 1-2 seconds then gdm comes back
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• 1782[16:35:08] <ychaouche> is there a way to find out how did a package get installed ? (via a dependency or via manual install)
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• 1787[16:37:46] <fizzizist> ychaouche: I think they will get installed the same way either way
• 1788[16:38:59] <ychaouche> maybe the manual install leaves a trace in some log file, no ?
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• 1790[16:39:40] <ychaouche> I'm thinking /var/log/apt/history for ex.
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• 1794[16:41:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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• 1801[16:43:51] <fizzizist> ychaouche: I don't know if apt or dpkg generate any logs like that. If anything the package itself might have a log.
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• 1804[16:44:17] <ychaouche> hello BluesKaj
• 1805[16:44:21] <ychaouche> ack
• 1806[16:44:52] <BluesKaj> hi ychaouche
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• 1836[17:01:26] <UukGoblin> how do you get Flash to work these days? I've installed a couple things like browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and gnash and browser-plugin-gnash, but Firefox is saying 'Failed to load "libpepflashplayer.so" // Freshwrapper is a translation layer which needs PPAPI plugin backend. Ensure your system have "libpepflashplayer.so available.'
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• 1838[17:01:42] <UukGoblin> Chromium doesn't seem to get it at all
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• 1843[17:05:01] <SPF> UukGoblin: firefox-esr
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• 1845[17:06:11] <UukGoblin> SPF, yup, that's what I'm using. It displays a gray box with yellow envelope ("X" mark) and yellow text like I copied above ("Failed to load libpepflashplayer.so")
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• 1853[17:11:03] <SPF> UukGoblin: maybe ask firefox support?
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• 1855[17:11:51] <UukGoblin> ok thanks :-)
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• 1866[17:16:38] <AquaFiX> Hi i am having trouble in regards to VSFTPD, Symbolic links, and mount --bind
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• 1868[17:17:14] <kazzie> I need LVM2 help, I have an LVM that I cannot figure out how to mount I have used it before with no problems here's some commands I tried pastebin.com/pPMpnr4M
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• 1913[17:42:44] <AquaFiX> I have a symbolic link, and that works fine from sshd
• 1914[17:42:57] <AquaFiX> but over vsftpd i cannot access any of the files associated
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• 1916[17:43:03] <AquaFiX> when i try the same on mount --bind
• 1917[17:43:12] <AquaFiX> it simply doesn't work
• 1918[17:43:17] <AquaFiX> reference: steamcmd
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• 1920[17:43:51] <alkisg> Some servers prohibit accessing files outside of their root directory
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• 1981[18:07:09] <AquaFiX> ok i fixed the issue
• 1982[18:07:14] <AquaFiX> it was a dodgy filezilla client
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• 1984[18:07:22] <AquaFiX> not correctly updating the ftp
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• 1989[18:08:23] <AquaFiX> however this same version updated a thirdparty ftp client perfectly. This is about my fourth attempt at using vsftpd, and i absolutely hate it, it's fucking garbage, and the docs are fucking garbage, and even google is a fuckwit in regards to the subject.
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• 1992[18:09:21] <apollo13> AquaFiX: vsftpd is imo the sanest ftp server out there
• 1993[18:09:42] <apollo13> probably the safest too; the docs do what they are supposed to do imo
• 1994[18:09:47] <AquaFiX> well somebody update the docs ._> or get some seo, on the the guides that actually work
• 1995[18:09:54] <apollo13> *shrug*
• 1996[18:10:00] <AquaFiX> no, it's a fucking joke
• 1997[18:10:03] <apollo13> man is your friend
• 1998[18:10:03] <AquaFiX> i spent three hours
• 1999[18:10:09] <AquaFiX> creating users
• 2000[18:10:11] <AquaFiX> installing
• 2001[18:10:16] <AquaFiX> then dynamic links wont work
• 2002[18:10:19] <apollo13> well I guess that is on __you__
• 2003[18:10:25] <AquaFiX> so i mount --bind to seperate user
• 2004[18:10:30] <AquaFiX> still doesn't work
• 2005[18:10:33] <AquaFiX> so i edit config
• 2006[18:10:35] <AquaFiX> chroot problems
• 2007[18:10:49] <AquaFiX> (yes im in jail), now i fix the chroot problems and delete my mount, so reinstall
• 2008[18:11:11] <AquaFiX> then i add permissions again, "RESTART FTP CLIENT" and it works
• 2009[18:11:32] <AquaFiX> wtf, like i said third party ftp daemons i've used have never required me to restart filezilla
• 2010[18:13:13] <apollo13> good for you I guess
• 2011[18:13:18] <apollo13> or maybe not, who knows
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• 2013[18:13:31] <apollo13> not sure what your complaining is ment to achieve though
• 2014[18:13:52] <AquaFiX> i moved to debian due to stabilty promises
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• 2017[18:13:59] <AquaFiX> and i come from centOS
• 2018[18:14:01] <AquaFiX> and freebsd
• 2019[18:14:16] <AquaFiX> i cant believe the amount of configuring required
• 2020[18:14:22] <Achylles> I am facing an issue with gstreamer package. It is blocking my system to such a point that I am unable to upgrade, install, remove and do nothing here. I am literally caged by it.
• 2021[18:14:29] <AquaFiX> 1386 binaries, fuck debian fucked up in the last few distros
• 2022[18:14:37] <AquaFiX> unless you're a major computer guru
• 2023[18:14:45] <apollo13> AquaFiX: I fail to see how the configuration of vsftpd has anything to do with debian
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• 2025[18:14:57] <apollo13> the configuration is basically the same on centos (+/- selinux)
• 2026[18:14:59] <AquaFiX> nah the apt-get upgrade is broken
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• 2028[18:15:05] <apollo13> lol
• 2029[18:15:06] <AquaFiX> you need to add official repositories to it
• 2030[18:15:11] <AquaFiX> that should not be a requirement
• 2031[18:15:15] <apollo13> wtf?
• 2032[18:15:24] <Achylles> I have tried to purge it and do all kinds of things, to no avail...
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• 2034[18:15:39] <AquaFiX> unless i've just got a crapped out debian distro, but in came with me 5year long dedicated server provider
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• 2037[18:16:02] <alkisg> Achylles: pastebin the exact command and output
• 2038[18:16:03] <alkisg> !bat
• 2039[18:16:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2040[18:16:14] <Achylles> alkisg, replaced-url
• 2041[18:16:18] <apollo13> AquaFiX: vsftpd is in the main repository which is certainly enabled by default; if you kill your system it is not really rebians fault
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• 2044[18:16:45] <AquaFiX> yeah but steamcmd isn't
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• 2047[18:17:17] <apollo13> wtf is steamcmd?
• 2048[18:17:39] <apollo13> and wth would that be in any official repo, you make not much sense to be honest
• 2049[18:18:29] <dvs> Achylles, have you tried "aptitude full-upgrade" ?
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• 2052[18:18:58] <AquaFiX> full upgrade is a must, for newly configured servers
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• 2054[18:20:57] <apollo13> you are still not making much sense
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• 2115[18:53:56] <ghostinzshell> How can I go about applying polkit rules similar to the ones in Ubuntu within Debian? I want to be able to mount block devices without being prompted for a password.
• 2116[18:54:19] <ghostinzshell> I've tried to place a .rules file in /etc/polkit-1/rules.d, that didn't work.
• 2117[18:54:39] <ghostinzshell> I've tried placing a .pkla file in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/, that didn't work too.
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• 2179[19:28:46] <dtux> i woke up and my computer was in power-save (weird). it woke right up, but my session was gone and i have a core file in ~. how do i find out where that came from?
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• 2182[19:29:01] <dtux> hmm... dmesg indicates atom hit a segfault
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• 2193[19:35:02] <Achylles> I haven't tried aptitude-full upgrade
• 2194[19:35:44] <Achylles> If I do, I think it will try to upgrade from testing to unstable
• 2195[19:35:48] <Achylles> or not?
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• 2198[19:37:05] <Achylles> and will break my system
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• 2200[19:37:25] <annadane> why do you want to use it?
• 2201[19:37:51] <Achylles> see above, my pastebin
• 2202[19:37:59] <Achylles> and gstreamer issue
• 2203[19:38:27] <annadane> oh testing... i'd go ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2221[19:48:17] <webuser5224> Has anyone else had problems with NetworkManager MAC address randomization? 'macchanger', 'ifconfig' as well as 'ip' all three let me successfully change the MAC address of my wifi interface and 'nmtui' allows me to establish a connection successfully.
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• 2224[19:48:41] <webuser5224> As soon as I use the option 'wifi.cloned-mac-address=random' for the NetworkManager, though, I can't connect via 'nmtui' anymore.
• 2225[19:48:46] <webuser5224> I really don't understand why.
• 2226[19:48:55] <webuser5224> I tried around and it really boils down to this one setting.
• 2227[19:49:15] <webuser5224> It can't be my router, because it accepts all other addresses without problems.
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• 2233[19:51:00] <dtux> yikes... it just happened again
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• 2238[19:55:22] <webuser5224> I'm using network-manager 1.6.2-3 on Stretch.
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• 2267[20:16:07] <Scriptonaut> I installed chromium from the recent source (the one in apt is way outdated), and it seems to work, however it says that I'm missing the api keys. Anyone know how to get chromium api keys?
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• 2337[20:54:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
• 2338[20:54:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am having an issue with bind in debian..
• 2339[20:54:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 2340[20:54:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> i get this weird \032 in my hostname, that not suppose to be there.. wtf is going on?
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• 2344[20:56:58] <akay> Eryn_1983_FL: Seems like this problem: replaced-url
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• 2358[21:01:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
• 2359[21:01:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> i look in to it
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• 2362[21:02:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> if i turn that checking off am i going to be hacked akay ?
• 2363[21:02:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> its just name checking right?/
• 2364[21:03:06] <nnull> I did a benchmark involving copying an Virtualbox Android VM from a windows host install to a linux host install on the same machine / identical settings / yet in the Linux Host the VM stutters along, audio cracks and is generally unusable | Any ideas?
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• 2373[21:12:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> akay: what about this error i am getting now ?
• 2374[21:12:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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• 2440[21:50:51] <b0ss_> hey how to run multiple instances of TOR browser (each one with its own routes) on the same Debian machine ?
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• 2446[21:52:46] <rabbitear_sdf> b0ss_: the man page says tor has option --defualts-torrc
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• 2449[21:54:23] <antoine> Hello, I am trying to set up letsencrypt wildcard certificate. It requires certbot 0.22, which is available in both sid and buster. Stretch only has 0.10.2 which is apparently quite old. Is there a way to know when 0.22 will come to stable (Stretch)?
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• 2452[21:55:16] <apollo13> antoine: I do not think packages in stable do receive functional updates usually
• 2453[21:55:58] <apollo13> it might end up in backports
• 2454[21:56:07] <apollo13> antoine: replaced-url
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• 2458[21:58:49] <annadane> :)
• 2459[21:59:46] <b0ss_> rabbitear_sdf: meaning tor --f /etc/tor ?
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• 2467[22:06:24] <rabbitear_sdf> b0ss_: yeah, have two or more configs, might work
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• 2472[22:12:40] <antoine> apollo13: Oh I didn't know about backport. Is it safe/good practice to upgrade all my system from backports if I want upgrades to come quicker?
• 2473[22:12:47] <apollo13> no
• 2474[22:13:17] <apollo13> a) not everything gets upgraded via backports and b) if you want upgrades debian stable is not the system you want
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• 2491[22:24:11] <antoine> apollo13: Ok then :). Reading about it now.
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• 2522[22:42:03] <antoine> If I decide to `sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install "package"`, then on `sudo apt upgrade`, will it get upgraded or do I need to specify something else?
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• 2547[22:49:23] <antoine> Would anyone have an idea? Do I need to `sudo apt upgrade -t stretch-backport` maybe?
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• 2549[22:51:13] <annadane> antoine, they all get upgraded, yeah
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• 2566[22:59:32] <antoine> I installed nginx from their repo but I am thinking it might be more stable/cleaner from backports. If I want to switch, do I deactivate nginx's repo from sources.list, add stretch-backports
• 2567[22:59:37] <antoine> Then apt update
• 2568[22:59:53] <antoine> Then is `sudo apt install -t stretch-backports nginx` the right way to proceed?
• 2569[23:00:30] <annadane> ,v nginx
• 2570[23:00:31] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; sid: 1.13.6-2; buster:
• 2571[23:00:32] <judd> 1.13.10-1; sid: 1.13.10-1
• 2572[23:00:52] <annadane> i... think that's right
• 2573[23:01:14] <annadane> the one from nginx is slightly newer
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• 2575[23:02:18] <antoine> So this will replace it with backport's version, right? And then sudo apt upgrade will upgrade it properly from backports? :)
• 2576[23:02:33] <antoine> Sorry, I am just trying to make sure I'm not breaking anything.
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• 2578[23:03:25] <annadane> that's a fair point. you know, i don't know
• 2579[23:03:33] <annadane> not sure how it works with external repos
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• 2583[23:06:42] <antoine> But if you wanted to switch from main to backports, would you proceed as I said?
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• 2586[23:08:09] <annadane> from main to backports yes, the ones in backports overwrite the ones in stable
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• 2592[23:15:40] <antoine> annadane: I ended up removing nginx first then installing it from backports. As far as I can tell, it worked. Thanks for the help!
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• 2594[23:15:59] <antoine> bbye.
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