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0 [00:00:04] <somiaj> did you recompile your program against stretch libaries, or is this the same binary compiled from jessie?
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8 [00:00:41] <a_duck> this is recompiled, "-ljpeg -lm -lSDL2 -lGLEW -lGL" are the libs
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10 [00:01:22] <somiaj> wonder if it is a difference in the libs, as I would think it would be a different error if it was a open gl compadaiblity issue
11 [00:01:49] <somiaj> but I'm not sure on the details, I only know there is some swtich from xorg using a special intel driver to using the generic modesetting driver to talk to the kms module i915
12 [00:01:49] <a_duck> GL_VERSION = "1.3 Mesa 13.0.6"
13 [00:02:19] <a_duck> yeah, i had no idea about that... i'm sure it's relevant. really useful thanks
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16 [00:03:01] <a_duck> if i change glGenBuffers to glGenBuffersARB it'll carry on (to the next thing that was missing in 1.3)
17 [00:03:37] <somiaj> I have 1.4 on my intel card here, so it could still be some issue with how your card is being detected.
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21 [00:04:19] <somiaj> so maybe it is some issue with the modesetting vs intel drivers, vs detcing the capabilities of the card
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25 [00:05:46] <a_duck> i'm 95% certain it was giving me 2.1 in stretch, i have shader files with version 120 at the top
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27 [00:05:52] <a_duck> yeah, sounds very likely
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31 [00:06:51] <a_duck> thanks for your help though, i'll go away and do some reading
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35 [00:07:52] <davidisgreat> Alright, I downloaded grml 2017.06 64 bit. I've booted the VM off the ISO and I ran lsblk
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37 [00:07:56] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
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42 [00:08:50] <somiaj> !grml
43 [00:08:50] <dpkg> grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. replaced-url
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45 [00:09:19] <somiaj> davidisgreat: anyways, based on debian systems arne't supported by #debian, go ask in #grml
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52 [00:10:44] <jelly> somiaj, they're not asking help FOR grml. They're just using it to gather info.
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54 [00:11:09] <somiaj> jelly: ahh thanks. davidisgreat: sorry about that.
55 [00:11:46] <jelly> davidisgreat, so it looks like just one large disk is there.
56 [00:12:32] <jelly> davidisgreat, can you mount /dev/sda1 ?
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65 [00:18:20] <davidisgreat> I ran mount /dev/sda1 /
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68 [00:19:29] <Li> I miss ubuntu network applet which has GUI option to share ethernet card to other computers!
69 [00:20:16] <Li> not sure how to share wifi via ethernet on debian
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71 [00:20:35] <Unit193> Doesn't Ubuntu simply use network-manager-gnome?
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73 [00:21:09] <Li> Unit193: I'm used to unity and mate
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75 [00:21:34] <Li> the gui is different from gnome debian
76 [00:21:53] <Unit193> That's great, because they both use it. :P
77 [00:21:57] <awal1> ubuntu uses nm, fo sure
78 [00:22:02] <awal1> nm-applet (for systemtray
79 [00:22:20] <jelly> davidisgreat, uh... don't mount it on livecd's /
80 [00:22:26] <awal1> well, you just have nm , wicd and connman
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82 [00:22:33] <awal1> connman , intel specific
83 [00:22:37] <jelly> mount it like anywhere else
84 [00:22:57] <Li> maybe the same code but I'm sure not the same interface. on ubuntu it's just out of the box and option is calling users to tick it
85 [00:23:27] <awal1> a matter of theaming
86 [00:23:49] <jelly> davidisgreat, in fact, grml autogenerates some fstab entries so umount that, and you should be able to just "mount /dev/sda1" and it gets mounted under /media/sda1 or similar
87 [00:23:55] <Li> however on debian thers is a checkbox called make available for other users! but is not really working
88 [00:24:07] <davidisgreat> I ran mount /dev/sda1 mount
89 [00:24:10] <davidisgreat> and it worked
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91 [00:24:26] <davidisgreat> Next I need to install grub?
92 [00:24:28] <jelly> davidisgreat, so where is it mounted now?
93 [00:24:33] <davidisgreat> Or move this stuff to a new disk
94 [00:24:46] <davidisgreat> its mounted on /mount
95 [00:24:54] <awal1> Li, google stuff and learn about all that, you will end what ubuntu did, maybe better
96 [00:26:04] <Li> awal1: you might need to change your mindset towards google and advising people use it when you don't really know if they did so already
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98 [00:26:19] <jelly> okay. chroot into /mount (use grml-chroot /mount, that wrapper sets up useful bind-mounts for you), make sure /etc/fstab inside the chroot is sane, rebuild initramfs and mayb reinstall grub
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100 [00:26:49] <jelly> davidisgreat, if your OS and data is there, there's no need to move it elsewhere again
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102 [00:27:06] <jelly> unles you want to complicate things with lvm or something
103 [00:27:14] <davidisgreat> how would I make it boot?
104 [00:27:14] <awal1> Li, I felt like you are just complaining vesusing
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106 [00:27:46] <jelly> davidisgreat, fixing initramfs ought to fix the boot process. Reinstalling grub is probably not even needed at all
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108 [00:28:26] <davidisgreat> So I can just restart the VM?
109 [00:28:27] <jelly> your fstab entries, esp. the one for / fs, should be correct for the new VM, so verify them
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112 [00:29:02] <jelly> davidisgreat, did you verify sanity of fstab and rebuild initramfs already?
113 [00:29:04] <davidisgreat> I edit fstab in /etc on the disk I just mounted?
114 [00:29:10] <davidisgreat> no
115 [00:29:15] <jelly> just mounted and chrooted into.
116 [00:29:25] <jelly> did you chroot into it?
117 [00:29:42] <davidisgreat> I just mounted /dev/sda1 to /mount
118 [00:30:02] <jelly> maybe you missed this:
119 [00:30:03] <jelly> <jelly> okay. chroot into /mount (use grml-chroot /mount, that wrapper sets up useful bind-mounts for you), make sure /etc/fstab inside the chroot is sane, rebuild initramfs and mayb reinstall grub
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122 [00:32:25] <jelly> P2V should have fixed /etc/fstab, but who knows, best make sure / now points to /dev/sda1
123 [00:33:00] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
124 [00:33:48] <jelly> so replace /dev/md0 with /dev/sda1 for the time being
125 [00:34:25] <jelly> and probably comment out /dev/sdd1 entry, that disk does not look migrated at all
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129 [00:35:35] <jelly> and I guess you don't need two separate disks for two separate swap partitions, but that can be fixed later
130 [00:35:45] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
131 [00:35:56] <jelly> right
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133 [00:36:06] <jelly> now rebuild initramfs
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135 [00:36:11] <davidisgreat> Its hard to tell but there is a # before /dev/sdd1
136 [00:36:50] <davidisgreat> I should run "update-initramfs"?
137 [00:36:54] <jelly> yes.
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139 [00:36:59] <bites> is
140 [00:37:06] <bites> eek, sry
141 [00:37:16] <jelly> maybe dpkg-reconfigure mdadm before that, tell it there's no md array required for boot
142 [00:37:57] <jelly> I guess you could just remove the mdadm package completely
143 [00:38:12] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
144 [00:38:15] <davidisgreat> I'll change this to none
145 [00:38:31] <jelly> mdadm question? yeah
146 [00:39:19] <jelly> if that triggers initramfs rebuild automatically, you don't have to do it manually
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149 [00:40:10] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
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153 [00:41:34] <davidisgreat> I ran the command. Now I should remove the ISO and reboot?
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160 [00:44:10] <jelly> davidisgreat, did you notice the output after mdadm's debconf question?
161 [00:44:26] <jelly> it rebuilt initramfs on its own
162 [00:44:32] <davidisgreat> oh, chill
163 [00:44:37] <davidisgreat> well, its done twice now
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166 [00:45:03] <jelly> you can exit the chroot, umount /mount and reboot
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168 [00:45:40] <davidisgreat> It booted into grub, which is progress
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170 [00:46:04] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
171 [00:46:17] <jelly> if you ended in initramfs shell last time, that means grub worked last time as well
172 [00:46:39] <jelly> uh, that's grub shell, not grub menu
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174 [00:46:58] <davidisgreat> it booted on its own when it was physical.
175 [00:47:08] <davidisgreat> but this is still further then I made it before
176 [00:47:25] <jelly> eh, boot grml again and reinstall grub
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180 [00:48:30] <jelly> davidisgreat, that is, boot grml, mount your / to /mount, grml-chroot into it, run update-grub, run grub-install /dev/sda, exit, umount, reboot
181 [00:48:44] <davidisgreat> I'll do it now. Thanks!
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187 [00:54:10] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
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194 [00:57:09] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
195 [00:57:13] <davidisgreat> this looks promicing
196 [00:57:29] <jelly> perhaps
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205 [01:01:44] <davidisgreat> It booted! Thanks so much for dragging me to a solution. This was defiantly beyond my skill to fix.
206 [01:03:09] <jelly> great
207 [01:03:58] <jelly> now go replace /dev/sda1 in fstab with UUID=correct-uuid-here or LABEL= :-)
208 [01:04:34] <jelly> and rerun update-grub and see if it still boots
209 [01:05:33] <jelly> (blkid to find it out)
210 [01:06:13] <davidisgreat> replaced-url
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212 [01:06:43] <jelly> but if you're on esxi disk order won't change on its own so leaving it at /dev/sda1 is reasonably safe
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217 [01:08:12] <jelly> davidisgreat, you'd replace /dev/sda1 with UUID=0d08... (copy/paste the whole GUID value, just get rid of the quotes)
218 [01:08:28] <jelly> or label the filesystem and use that.
219 [01:08:38] <jelly> e2label is your friend
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221 [01:09:28] <jelly> /dev/md2: LABEL="backup" UUID="c881e3a8-f550-4b3f-8a1e-fb9bc94d6189" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
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224 [01:10:02] <jelly> and... maybe upgrade that debian 6 to something that is still supported, even!
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226 [01:11:00] <jelly> you can now take snapshots and whatnot, it helps a lot when doing ugly release upgrades on legacy cra^H^H^Hsystems
227 [01:11:25] <jelly> dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
228 [01:11:26] <dpkg> Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
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230 [01:11:38] <jelly> !wheezy release notes
231 [01:11:38] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at replaced-url
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235 [01:14:59] <davidisgreat> sounds good.
236 [01:15:03] <davidisgreat> thanks again for your help
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241 [01:16:25] <spacedust> how usable is debian testing as a desktop ?
242 [01:16:33] <spacedust> im installing that right now with kde :)
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246 [01:19:39] <RoyK> spacedust: probably usable, but then, it's testing
247 [01:19:49] <somiaj> spacedust: many people use it, but expect problems you may have to work around/deal with.
248 [01:20:00] <RoyK> dpkg: tell spacedust about testing
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252 [01:20:49] <somiaj> spacedust: My experience is large desktops (like kde/gnome) are the worst experience in testing because they integrate so much and sometimes fixes are slow to make it through sid into testing. I would also install a wm backup for times kde breaks.
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255 [01:21:04] <jelly> the greatest things about testing is you don't get to ask questions in here!
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258 [01:21:35] <jelly> unless a release is vey close
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260 [01:22:47] <RoyK> jelly: hell, let's just have one IRC channel or everything
261 [01:22:54] <RoyK> jelly: take a look at #ubuntu ;)
262 [01:22:54] <somiaj> I think it should depend on the question, no need to be sent to another network to be given a wiki link or factoid.
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264 [01:23:18] <somiaj> but yea, longer drawn out issues should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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266 [01:25:09] <eric23> is Debian GNU/Hurd off topic here?
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270 [01:26:30] <somiaj> eric23: finding someone who actually runs it here will be the hard part, I would go find an appropriate channel on irc.oftc.net
271 [01:26:59] <somiaj> standard debian questions could be answered about that, but anything about the hurd kernel or issues on that port most here will no experience with.
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284 [01:35:32] <spacedust> oh , thanks RoyK
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288 [01:36:45] <spacedust> well im using kali rolling 2018 right now, which is desbian testing also if i know well
289 [01:36:49] <spacedust> so far works well
290 [01:37:07] <spacedust> yeah i will install a lxde or some other DE backup for kde
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292 [01:37:27] <spacedust> when is buster supposed to be released ?
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294 [01:37:51] <spacedust> i opted for this since i think i read that it will be this spring so pretty close, but correct me if im wrong
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303 [01:42:10] <somiaj> spacedust: next year sometime given the recent time frame. Though debian's time line is always 'when it is ready'
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305 [01:42:49] <somiaj> once the freeze starts, which I think will be sometime next year, it takes 3-6 months after that for the last few releases, and they seem to happen about every two years.
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309 [01:45:54] <spacedust> i want to install stuff like zfs & wireguard
310 [01:46:13] <spacedust> somiaj: oh i see so buster is a long way since today :)
311 [01:46:15] <RoyK> zfs is in
312 [01:46:56] <RoyK> spacedust: no need for buster to use zfs
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314 [01:47:04] <spacedust> RoyK: i know :)
315 [01:47:26] <spacedust> RoyK: i just thought maybe its like gentoo testing ~arch which is mostly stable
316 [01:47:50] <spacedust> RoyK: and never used testing btw so i said ill try this now, almost installed
317 [01:48:00] * RoyK started using zfs like 10 years back and still likes it, except for the lack of flexibility mdadm is offering
318 [01:48:05] <spacedust> 97% cleaning up
319 [01:48:27] <spacedust> RoyK: what kind of flexibility is that ? can you elaborate please ?
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322 [01:49:31] <RoyK> spacedust: in my last job, I setup some machines for backup targets - two with 100TiB net storage, one with just 16
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324 [01:49:46] <RoyK> 2TB drives was the thing back then
325 [01:50:04] <RoyK> so - a lot of drives
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327 [01:50:22] <spacedust> isnt zfs designed for that ? a lot of drives ?
328 [01:50:39] <spacedust> huh wow system booted so fast :)
329 [01:51:19] <RoyK> it certainly is
330 [01:51:22] <spacedust> what video drivers do i need if using kvm with spice ?
331 [01:51:41] <RoyK> never seen spice work on debian
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333 [01:52:04] <RoyK> but then - it's some time since I tried to look into it
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336 [01:54:31] <spacedust> well the host is kali 2018
337 [01:55:23] <spacedust> i like this new kde a lot
338 [01:55:26] <spacedust> its really good
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343 [01:58:23] <spacedust> how does one stop kde accessibility from starting ? :)
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358 [02:05:56] <somiaj> spacedust: you shoudln't need anytying special in the guest. xserver-xorg-video-qxl should already be installed.
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360 [02:06:18] <somiaj> spice-vdagent is something that may not be installed by default, needed for other spice stuff, but I don't think video.
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362 [02:06:46] <somiaj> but I have spice working on my vm's here jsut fine.
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406 [02:31:14] <spacedust> super super fast reboots using kvm and qcow2 on regular disk, i do have a lot of free ram on the host
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409 [02:32:57] <spacedust> oh i was hoping to see wireguard in testing :P its pretty stable if you ask me :)
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411 [02:34:00] <somiaj> stability is not the only thing that gets packages into testing, packages have to meet certain criteria in sid before they are allowed to migrate. wiregog is blocked due to bugs
412 [02:34:05] <somiaj> replaced-url
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449 [02:55:28] <cheako> I upgraded to sid and my touchpad scroll is upside-down. I changed my xorg.conf, but I still need to run xinput all the time to fix it.
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452 [02:57:14] <Infomaniack> anyone have any idea why firefox would fail to execute. I downloaded the ISO and it seemed to work find. Then I shut it down to work on hardening the system. (I know technically not the most secure way) Ping works but I get an input/out failed to execute error. Any suggestions much appreciated. thanks
453 [02:58:12] <RoyK> cheako: see #debian-next on oftc, please - sd isn't supported here
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457 [02:59:49] <annadane> Infomaniack, iso? how did you install firefox?
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462 [03:01:17] <Infomaniack> @annadane I dd'd the iso to a usb. Been dual booting from that usb.
463 [03:01:38] <annadane> oh, i thought you meant "firefox iso"
464 [03:01:48] <annadane> unless that *is* what you mean
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466 [03:02:23] <annadane> well, start by pasting the full error message - paste.debian.net
467 [03:02:45] <Infomaniack> @annadane no that is not what I meant to convey. DEBIAN iso. So obviously firefox comes with it.
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475 [03:07:04] <dvs> Infomaniack, do you have Debian installed?
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479 [03:07:23] <Infomaniack> @dvs yes of course.
480 [03:08:34] <dvs> Infomaniack, you don't want to install Firefox through the internet?
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483 [03:10:05] <somiaj> and you have an actual cd/dvd image, not just a netinstall iso?
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487 [03:10:50] <Infomaniack> @dvs no i dont want to install it via the internet. I would much prefer to figure out what is wrong with the problem at hand.
488 [03:10:51] <somiaj> Infomaniack: oh I missed the orrignal problem, so you are getting input/output errors when running firefox? This sounds like bad hardware.
489 [03:11:27] <somiaj> Infomaniack: can you give a paste of the actual error you are getting to start.
490 [03:11:36] <Infomaniack> @anyway to investigate this. Firefox worked initially when I downloaded debian. Also as I said ping works.
491 [03:11:48] <Infomaniack> @somiaj
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494 [03:13:57] <somiaj> we need to know why it didn't work, so some actual output would be nice. I saw input/output error, did you see something saying this? What about firefox doesn't work?
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497 [03:14:14] <somiaj> does the program run? Does it segfault? Crash? Or just does it not connect to the internet.
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499 [03:16:16] <Infomaniack> @somaij I get 'failed to execute command' which is just the pop up window. followed by the path of failure 'usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr%u'
500 [03:16:31] <Infomaniack> @somiaj
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503 [03:17:46] <somiaj> Infomaniack: whatever you are using to run firefox seems to have a typo, there should be a space between the firefox-esr and %u, also that command is not in /usr/lib. Can you open up a terminal and run 'firefox-esr' from the command line and see what happens (a virtual terminal in your desktop)
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518 [03:21:48] <Infomaniack> @somiaj I shamefully have never ran a vm. I dont know a good one to choose yet. I will boot from the USB and get back to you in 5.
519 [03:22:18] <somiaj> okay, but it sounds liek the launcher you are using is misconfigured.
520 [03:22:51] <Infomaniack> @somiaj where should that command be
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524 [03:23:47] <somiaj> depending on your desktop you'll be able to open a terminal. That will give you a command line you can type the command into.
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526 [03:24:12] <somiaj> how you open it depends on your desktop, it should be in your applications menu
527 [03:24:20] <awal1> Infomaniack, virtual terminal doesn't mean virtualized system
528 [03:24:43] <Infomaniack> @somiaj no. no. no. where should the firefox-esr be if not in the /usr/lib path?
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532 [03:25:20] <dvs> /usr/bin ?
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534 [03:26:03] <Infomaniack> @dvs thats what I would think
535 [03:26:05] <awal1> bin
536 [03:26:18] <dvs> Infomaniack, That's where it is here.
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538 [03:26:43] <somiaj> Infomaniack: it should be in /usr/bin/firefox-esr, but without any actual info we can't say much about your system.
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543 [03:32:31] <Infomaniack> @somiaj understandable. Also I am on windows. What would be the best way to run a virtual terminal?
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545 [03:34:06] <Infomaniack> @awal1 learned something new today
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549 [03:35:24] <awal1> he just mean open a terminal
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551 [03:36:05] <Infomaniack> @awal1 o. ok lol
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557 [03:38:59] <awal1> but usually by virtual terminal people refers to a Console, tty, not in a graphical environment
558 [03:39:12] <awal1> he left yet :P
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562 [03:44:08] <Myth0s> Infomaniack, for a bash terminal in windows try cygwin
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623 [04:42:44] <Infomaniack> @somiaj I moved the firefox directory to /usr/bin. (I had some issues with mv since there is a file within firefox-esr called firefox-esr). However when I click the firefox icon on the top right of screen I get "failed to execute child process for the /usr/lib directory.
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626 [04:43:51] <dvs> Infomaniack, you shouldn't have to move your firefox directory if you used a .deb file to install it.
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629 [04:44:53] <Infomaniack> @dvs I have no idea why this would happen. Firefox launched fine at first
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825 [07:37:48] <jaami_______> hi, my mouse cannot revert back to the normal scrolling after selecting Natural Scrolling on.
826 [07:38:58] <jaami_______> i switched off the Natural Scrolling but mouse still follow it. what i should do to stop Natural scrolling
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831 [07:41:08] <blaztek> jaami_______: not sure but have you tried logging out and back in?
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833 [07:42:00] <jaami_______> blaztek: no i did not try loggin out. my laptop goes hibernate
834 [07:43:18] <jaami_______> this command i checked online but it did not work-- echo "pointer = 1 2 3 5 4 7 6 8 9 10 11 12" > ~/.Xmodmap && xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
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839 [07:45:38] <jaami_______> blaztek: multiple VMs are running so thinking if you can help with command in terminal
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841 [07:46:26] <jaami_______> last restart was 2 days ago.
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843 [07:49:03] <jaami_______> my mistake i tried Natural scrolling for no reason. i dont even need it because my VMs are windows guests.scrolling has become Natural problem
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847 [07:50:45] <jaami_______> GUI is always problem, i dont understand why developers cannot fix miner issues with debian GUI
848 [07:50:53] <blaztek> jaami_______: try replaced-url
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859 [07:56:48] <jaami_______> blaztek: i checked those commands in terminal. but problem was not fixed. i think i should try logout
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862 [07:57:32] <blaztek> jaami_______: just detach your VMs
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864 [07:58:21] <jaami_______> blaztek: detach without sutting down VMs?
865 [07:58:40] <jaami_______> ***shutdown
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868 [07:59:38] <jaami_______> let me do the shut down of all VMs and debian too
869 [07:59:40] <blaztek> Yes. Mine run detached from the GUI so I don’t always have to be logged in.
870 [07:59:58] <jaami_______> oh ok
871 [08:00:19] <blaztek> Virtual
872 [08:00:22] <blaztek> Box
873 [08:00:50] <jaami_______> blaztek: how i can do the same setup for my VMs too?
874 [08:00:55] <jaami_______> yes, Vbox
875 [08:02:24] <jaami_______> let me restart system.
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877 [08:02:38] <blaztek> Okay
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892 [08:09:34] <blaztek> jaami_______, instead of clicking Start for the VM, click the drop down arrow and choose "Headless Start" or "Detachable Start".
893 [08:09:53] <blaztek> jaami_______, you can also do it from the command line
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895 [08:11:38] <blaztek> jaami_______, `VBoxManage startvm --type headless your-guid-goes-here-instead`
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906 [08:21:15] <jaami_______> blaztek: the natural Scrolling cannot be fixed. I got the understanding of headless start
907 [08:22:55] <blaztek> jaami_______, that sucks about the natural scrolling
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910 [08:23:58] <jaami_______> blaztek: i am working on a dashboard. have to get involved in actual work now. Yes, that natural scrolling is natural problem i guess :) Thank you for your help. i will try to find you next time.
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1257 [09:41:06] <cariveri> Hi. after an ugrade to jessie the locales seems to be messed up. get a warning: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
1258 [09:41:37] <cariveri> also LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "C" ...
1259 [09:41:43] <jelly> that's not all perl says, there's a line above
1260 [09:41:55] <jelly> show the complete output
1261 [09:41:58] <jelly> !paste
1262 [09:41:58] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1263 [09:42:24] <cariveri> also locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
1264 [09:43:03] <jelly> can you pastebin the full command line you ran and the complete output
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1266 [09:43:17] <cariveri> jelly: is that perhaps enough? I ran dpkg-reconfigure to setup loales.
1267 [09:44:14] <jelly> it should be, if you enabled the actual locales perl complained about
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1272 [09:47:04] <cariveri> jelly: replaced-url
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1275 [09:48:00] <jelly> so you have set en_US.UTF-8, en_GB.UTF-8, de_DE.UTF-8
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1279 [09:49:02] <cariveri> oh. yes. I just ran recofngiure locales again and also select en_US.UTF-8 . It wasnt setup, but used it seems.
1280 [09:49:08] <cariveri> Generation complete.
1281 [09:49:12] <descuidado> im trying to configure grub's resolution on /etc/default/grub, but for some reason wrong resolution persists, i also make sure i use update-grub, also btw, is it a good idea to install aptitude?
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1352 [10:20:52] <__marco> Hello. I oft get "Hash Sum mismatch" if I use deb.debian.org
1353 [10:21:00] <__marco> I don't know why
1354 [10:21:11] <__marco> updating the repo does not help
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1359 [10:22:10] <__marco> Ah yes, I know remember. Internal proxy.
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1368 [10:25:28] <anonymip> I have gnome-maps installed under debian, but it doesn't show any map layers, any ideas how to get them to show?
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1419 [10:46:59] <sitral> hello
1420 [10:47:21] <milpool> hi. i need to list all licenses (GPL etc) for the installed packages on a debian system. is there a way to do this automatically?
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1422 [10:47:50] <sitral> I could not find help in Google about how to remove nvidia-driver and use the Nouveau instead... it is because nvidia ones seem not to support DRI2
1423 [10:51:47] <rephlexie> milpool, something like this maybe? replaced-url
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1427 [10:54:50] <milpool> rephlexie: exactly like that, thanks! seems like this will cover at least a bunch
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1440 [11:02:32] <anonymip> any ideas about gnome-maps
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1470 [11:15:26] <DerAlfe> Hey there. I got a new toy on my desk and want to install debian on it. The twist: It just has Network Ports. I was looking for an easy approach, to stuff an image into the USB Slot of the machine and boot it. But there doesn't seem to be a "Raspbian"-Like approach to this issue.
1471 [11:16:32] <DerAlfe> Or is there some magic value in grub i can set, to enable ssh on startup and set a password?
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1514 [11:48:12] <Emil> Hi
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1516 [11:49:48] <Emil> I'm building things but menuconfig symbols are garbage (xs and qs instead of the normal symbols)
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1518 [11:50:01] <Emil> libncurses is installed
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1521 [11:50:45] <ksk> DerAlfe: that does totally depend on your toy. are you sure it does run grub at all? eg some NAS systems use uboot bootloader.
1522 [11:50:50] <Emil> Should I install some additional packages?
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1524 [11:52:27] <Emil> I installed all possible ncurses-* packages (there are 6) and the problem persists. My $TERM is xterm-256color
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1528 [11:53:38] <DerAlfe> ksk: How can I find out without having a screen at all
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1530 [11:54:13] <Emil> by symbols are garbage I mean the horizontal and vertical lines are rendered as q and x
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1543 [12:01:34] <HurricaneHarry> DerAlfe: Any markings on the toy wich may tell what it is ?
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1545 [12:02:17] <DerAlfe> It's exactly this one: replaced-url
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1548 [12:03:24] <bezaban> DerAlfe: you can use a serial console
1549 [12:03:40] <DerAlfe> I got the serial console attached.
1550 [12:03:45] <bezaban> at least that's what I did on one of their previous models
1551 [12:04:01] <DerAlfe> but i dont get any signal on the serial console
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1554 [12:04:27] <bezaban> did you try tweaking the flow bits and baud etc?
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1556 [12:04:44] <DerAlfe> Is serial console enabled by default?
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1558 [12:04:48] <DerAlfe> I just tried to screen on it
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1561 [12:05:16] <bezaban> I've used minicom and putty with success
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1564 [12:05:39] <bezaban> there is also a basic bios where you can tweak some settings
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1566 [12:06:08] <bezaban> For alix boards, the default setting is 38400 8N1, no flow control. For apu boards, 115200 8N1
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1568 [12:06:28] <bezaban> replaced-url
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1571 [12:07:37] <bezaban> oh. wait, this is not pcengines.ch, I think they're the same boards though
1572 [12:08:07] <DerAlfe> Ok. Just put everything in moserial and openedd (what is hopefully the right) ttyUSB. gonna restart the board...
1573 [12:08:44] <DerAlfe> Aaaand, got a signal
1574 [12:08:47] <bezaban> :D
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1576 [12:09:23] <DerAlfe> Ouh. There is a coreboot
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1580 [12:11:19] <HurricaneHarry> DerAlfe: the pdf manual is downloadable on the right on your url.
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1589 [12:15:05] <HurricaneHarry> DerAlfe: also replaced-url
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1595 [12:16:34] <DerAlfe> HurricaneHarry: Looks like something I need
1596 [12:16:46] <DerAlfe> Whef. So. I got a signal now and its running memtest.
1597 [12:16:56] <DerAlfe> Which is nice.
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1600 [12:17:38] <DerAlfe> But how do i change the files inside the iso?
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1602 [12:17:47] <DerAlfe> when i mount the netinst iso its always "ro"
1603 [12:18:03] <DerAlfe> when i try to use isomaster, an unbootable image comes out of the process
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1605 [12:19:14] <ShapeShifter499> hi
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1607 [12:20:11] <ShapeShifter499> I'm coming from Arch Linux where you could set "hooks" when you invoked a upgrade so that when a package was upgraded a command was ran afterwards. Can I do something similar in Debian with Apt-get?
1608 [12:20:27] <DerAlfe> So i need to somehow change the grub entry, to add serial output on boot
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1610 [12:21:46] <NCS_One> hi
1611 [12:22:19] <HurricaneHarry> DerAlfe: my best guess would be dd the iso to an usb stick (linux)
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1613 [12:22:33] <DerAlfe> got it on an usb stick already
1614 [12:23:10] <DerAlfe> But just can mount the USB Stick as Read Only Filesystem
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1618 [12:25:07] <NCS_One> at home I have a Debian OS but at work I have to use windows :(, currently I'm using mingw64 that came with Git install. I was thinking on instaling a linux subsystem from windows store. Should I just keep using mingw64, install subsystem or is there a better solution?
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1630 [12:27:47] <syshape> When Debian changes the stable release, let's say from jessie to stretch, does it means that the jessie package repository won't evolve ?
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1633 [12:29:14] <petn-randall> syshape: The oldstable release will still be maintained for a year, then usually the LTS team takes over and maintains it for a few more years.
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1638 [12:32:44] <HurricaneHarry> DerAlfe: I have arrived at replaced-url
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1642 [12:36:18] <DerAlfe> I'm here: replaced-url
1643 [12:36:30] <DerAlfe> Sry: No Gutest to Host copying ;)
1644 [12:36:44] <DerAlfe> replaced-url
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1790 [13:52:57] <Mikjaer> I need to install Debian onto an HP Microserver with 2x250GB HD running in mirror 1, when i setup two raids (one for root and one for swap) through the installer, grub refuses to install. What is the recommeded way of doing this for debian 9?
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1796 [13:55:17] <Mikjaer> replaced-url
1797 [13:56:06] <sitral> I could revert to Nouveau drivers but still I can not start a EGL DRI2 app (Qt), I get the following error: QXcbIntegration: Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled
1798 [13:56:13] <sitral> I am using Buster
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1807 [13:58:46] <sitral> I got the following warning: libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to open nouveau (search paths /usr/lib/dri)
1808 [13:59:41] <sitral> but I created a link named /usr/lib/dri to point to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/ and have checked with strace that the nouveau library is actually opened
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1955 [15:20:54] <r4co0n> Hi. When configuring unattended-upgrades, the default config at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades has a commented line about using apt's bandwidth limit feature. If I enable this, will all of apt's downloads will be limited or just those of unattended-upgrades.
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1957 [15:21:35] <r4co0n> I suspect the former, the statement is Acquire::http::Dl-Limit "70";
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1961 [15:24:05] <Kev-> I have my primary ethernet interface set up like this: replaced-url
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1967 [15:25:37] <r4co0n> Kev-, try dropping line 3, as far as I can tell 'inter' is garbage and you don't want both dhcp and static
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1978 [15:28:22] <Kev-> r4co0n: I do want dhcp and static tho - and the interface comes up with both static and dhcp on bootup, just doesn't restore the static one when it seems to drop for random reasons after bootup (might be after a few days even)
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1986 [15:31:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Kev-: How does that even work? I would expect the other hosts and routers on the network to become horribly confused, having two addresses to reach the same host. I would recommend setting up two virtual interfaces if you need this functionality
1987 [15:31:31] <r4co0n> Kev-, it should still be "... inet dhcp" in line 3, I think. I only knew the legacy method of getting multiple ips on one interface, sorry for the confusion.
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1989 [15:32:12] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, he's doing this: replaced-url
1990 [15:32:35] <r4co0n> What we know is the legacy method above...
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1993 [15:32:53] <r4co0n> From what I see there, it should work...
1994 [15:33:16] <Pegasus_RPG> The "Note however that this method is dangerous!" bit would give me pause. :)
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1998 [15:33:31] <r4co0n> sure thing, I only skimmed it :)
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2002 [15:35:00] <Pegasus_RPG> r4co0n: as for your question, I'm pretty sure making adjustments in the unattended-upgrades file only affects unattended-upgrades. But I've never used it. (I run an apt-cacher-ng server that has its bandwidth limited and my hosts all use that as their update source.)
2003 [15:35:10] <Kev-> Yeah I'm not sure what I'm doing. i've only done this with the old method, and this new method isn't working completely for me
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2005 [15:35:57] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, well, it's one of many config files in apt.conf.d, I would expect apt to read those, regardless of their name.
2006 [15:36:05] <Pegasus_RPG> oh good point
2007 [15:36:42] <Pegasus_RPG> You could always test by setting the limit to something really low and doing apt update and see if it takes much longer
2008 [15:37:00] <Barones> Doesn't wine create a launcher on debian 9 stretch? I'm trying to associate .exe extensions to wine but it doesnt show up in file manager
2009 [15:37:35] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: You may need to run winecfg first to set things up
2010 [15:38:14] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, yeah, I'll have to test that, I am writing a bit of automation around deploying unattended-upgrades, I think I won't set this by default until I have tested :P
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2016 [15:39:32] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: But otherwise, you could try right-clicking an EXE file and manually setting "Open With..." to /usr/bin/wine. I use KDE's Dolphin and this works for me.
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2018 [15:40:22] <Barones> Pegasus_RPG, I'm using gnome and the option to select a path doesn't show up to me
2019 [15:40:43] <Barones> I'm looking for something in winecfg
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2021 [15:42:12] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: Nautilus, right?
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2024 [15:42:36] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: does this help? replaced-url
2025 [15:43:00] <Ilyas> when im running a Debian guest vm in Virtualbox with multiple network interfaces, how can I activate both at the same time?
2026 [15:43:10] <Pegasus_RPG> System | Preferences | Preferred Applications or right-click a file and click "Open with other application"
2027 [15:43:15] <Ilyas> right now, whenever I activate one, the other deactivates
2028 [15:43:21] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, the thing is, nautilus only let's you select registered applications with "Open with", you can't select an executable
2029 [15:43:28] <Ilyas> one is a NAT and the other is host-only, if that matters
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2031 [15:44:02] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: what do you mean "deactivates?" Loses its network connection or stops running?
2032 [15:44:48] <Pegasus_RPG> r4co0n, Barones: From that article "Click the "Add" button and scroll the list. If the application you want to use is listed, select it. If not, click the triangle beside the "Use a custom command" text string and either browse for the application or enter in the full path and filename to the application."
2033 [15:45:13] <Ilyas> Pegasus_RPG: uh, both?
2034 [15:45:15] <Barones> Pegasus_RPG, what r4co0n said is what is happening to me, wine doesn't show up as a registered app, so I can't select it
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2036 [15:45:33] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, they optimized this.
2037 [15:45:37] <Barones> I was thinking to create a .desktop file and place %F in exec path
2038 [15:45:43] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, there is no triangle anymore
2039 [15:46:08] <Pegasus_RPG> XD
2040 [15:46:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: oh sorry, I read "two VMs" rather than "two network interfaces"
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2042 [15:47:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: that's odd then. Does anything interesting appear in syslog when you try activating both?
2043 [15:47:53] <Ilyas> lemme check
2044 [15:48:36] <Barones> replaced-url
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2046 [15:48:46] <Barones> this is the page
2047 [15:48:48] <ychaouche> hello #debian
2048 [15:49:00] <ychaouche> should I disable rpcbind and rpc.statd if I'm not using NFS ?
2049 [15:49:07] <ychaouche> they're showing up in lsof -i
2050 [15:49:28] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: huh. I wonder why "add" is grayed out at the bottom. Does it light up if you click one of the "other applications" list?
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2052 [15:49:57] <Barones> The add, add the selected app as a default program
2053 [15:50:05] <Pegasus_RPG> ychaouche: why not just remove the nfs packages?
2054 [15:50:24] <ychaouche> Pegasus_RPG: I wonder which ones ?
2055 [15:50:33] <Pegasus_RPG> ychaouche: dpkg -l |grep -i nfs
2056 [15:50:35] <Barones> like this replaced-url
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2058 [15:51:09] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: weird. I'd ask in #gnome.
2059 [15:51:19] <Barones> Thanks Pegasus_RPG :)
2060 [15:51:20] <ychaouche> nfs-common. Hum. I wonder why did I install this
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2062 [15:52:00] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: sorry I can't help more. I'm a KDE guy. :)
2063 [15:52:26] <Pegasus_RPG> ychaouche: make sure removing that doesn't also remove other packages you need/want
2064 [15:52:36] <Pegasus_RPG> (Other things might depend on it)
2065 [15:52:54] <r4co0n> Barones, creating a launcher with 'gnome-desktop-item-edit --create-new ~/.local/share/applications/' seems the way to go
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2067 [15:53:55] <Ilyas> Pegasus_RPG: replaced-url
2068 [15:53:56] <r4co0n> You can search for wine there, give it a sane name, and afterwards it should appear in your applications and also for 'open with'.
2069 [15:54:03] <Ilyas> I think that's the relevant lines
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2071 [15:54:13] <ychaouche> hum. I still have rpcbind running
2072 [15:54:25] <ychaouche> rpc.statd has gone from sight.
2073 [15:54:59] <ychaouche> do I need rpcbind ?
2074 [15:55:02] <Barones> thanks r4co0n I will do that but I'm a little impressed that this have to be done to associae a extension to wine
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2076 [15:55:13] <ychaouche> what programs rely on it ?
2077 [15:55:14] <Barones> could be more simple
2078 [15:55:14] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: oh, Network Manager seems to think you only have one network interface and you're just changing the profile it uses. What's in your /etc/network/interfaces[.d] ?
2079 [15:56:07] <Pegasus_RPG> ychaouche: also remove the rpcbind package: replaced-url
2080 [15:56:24] <Pegasus_RPG> again, as long as it doesn't cause other needed packages to be removed
2081 [15:56:24] <Ilyas> Pegasus_RPG: thanks. interfaces only has the lo interface
2082 [15:56:29] <r4co0n> Barones, the .desktop file is missing, I have no idea why. It would be good if you could investigate if it is really not there or only not read, and file an appropriate bug, if necessary.
2083 [15:56:38] <Ilyas> Pegasus_RPG: interfaces.d is empty
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2092 [15:57:34] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: Then you don't actually have multiple interfaces. :)
2093 [15:57:39] <Pegasus_RPG> At least not configured.
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2095 [15:57:56] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: what does lspci |grep -i ethernet show?
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2097 [15:59:02] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: perhaps more importantly, what is in the VM's hardware config page in the VirtualBox manager?
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2100 [15:59:38] <Ilyas> lspci says `00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)` twice
2101 [15:59:59] <Ilyas> so does vbox
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2103 [16:00:17] <r4co0n> Barones, I just checked, wine does indeed install without a desktop file, but it does ship with an example file you can amend, at /usr/share/doc/wine/examples/wine.desktop
2104 [16:00:20] <Emil> Okay so a strange issue
2105 [16:00:23] <Ilyas> both are the Intel pro/1000 nic, virtualized obviously
2106 [16:00:29] <Emil> my groups are different when logging in remotely and locally
2107 [16:00:34] <Emil> how should I fix it
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2110 [16:01:04] <Barones> r4co0n, I created a laucher with %F and that solved it, now it shows up in the file manager
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2112 [16:01:31] <krukudilo> ychaouche, if your not using nfs you can remove rpcbind
2113 [16:01:50] <Barones> cool, by curiosity and because I'm still learning about linux, where did u check that?
2114 [16:02:08] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: and what does ls -l /sys/class/net/e* show?
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2116 [16:02:55] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: That syslog output you pasted does talk about two interfaces, though I'm puzzled as to how it knows about them if they're not defined in /etc/network/interfaces
2117 [16:03:05] <Ilyas> ya
2118 [16:03:14] <Ilyas> I'll get you the output in a sec
2119 [16:03:30] <Ilyas> a quick online search shows that I'm not the only one with this issue
2120 [16:03:49] <Barones> thanks r4co0n
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2123 [16:04:15] <r4co0n> Barones, this works for all Debian packages: Go to replaced-url
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2126 [16:04:55] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: I would suggest going lower-lever first: stop network manager (and networking) then define the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces even as just "allow-hotplug ethX"
2127 [16:05:07] <r4co0n> Barones, this get's harder if you have to look through many dependencies, there are tools like 'apt-file' to help with that.
2128 [16:05:12] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: such that ip addr lists them
2129 [16:05:45] <Ilyas> Pegasus_RPG: replaced-url
2130 [16:05:54] <r4co0n> Barones, If I wouldn't have been quite sure that the .desktop file is shipped with the meta package, it would have gotten hard.
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2132 [16:06:08] <Ilyas> ip addr does list them tho
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2134 [16:06:14] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: okay, just confirming.
2135 [16:06:16] <Ilyas> but I'll edit interfaces
2136 [16:06:30] <Ilyas> what does allow-hotplug dow btw?
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2139 [16:06:39] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: well shoot, maybe just do ifup enp0s10 && ifup enp0s3 and see what happens
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2143 [16:07:22] <Ilyas> haha `ifup: unknown interface enp0s10`
2144 [16:07:31] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: IIUC, it just causes signals to be set to applications (e.g. Network Manager) when the interface is unplugged. Not really critical.
2145 [16:07:31] <Ilyas> so something is not quite adding up
2146 [16:07:36] <Pegasus_RPG> yeah
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2148 [16:07:38] * Pegasus_RPG scratches head
2149 [16:07:48] <Ilyas> can we blame virtualbox?
2150 [16:07:57] <Ilyas> well, I dont mind either way :)
2151 [16:08:01] <Ilyas> brb hacking interfaces
2152 [16:08:06] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: no, because both interfaces are showing up in lspci
2153 [16:08:13] <Pegasus_RPG> so VBox is working correctly
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2155 [16:08:45] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: if ip addr lists them both, then maybe you just need to restart the VM
2156 [16:09:00] <r4co0n> Barones, "apt-file search wine.desktop" would have also helped, it shows all packages providing a file ending with "wine.desktop"
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2158 [16:09:27] <Barones> Nice, I appreciate the help
2159 [16:09:28] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: also, if you want them both to come up on boot, add "auto ethX" in /etc/network/interfaces
2160 [16:10:05] <Barones> apt-file didn't work for me
2161 [16:10:05] <Ilyas> ya thanks
2162 [16:10:14] <Pegasus_RPG> er you know, "auto enp0s10" and "auto enp0s3"
2163 [16:10:18] <Barones> I use apt search to look for packages
2164 [16:10:20] <Ilyas> editing the interface file and kicking the networking service seem to be working
2165 [16:10:25] <Ilyas> w00! thanks
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2168 [16:10:41] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: you're welcome. Do try rebooting the VM to make sure it does what you want on boot
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2170 [16:11:14] <Ilyas> doign so now
2171 [16:11:29] <Barones> lo, I just looked for it, it isn't pre installed in debian
2172 [16:11:55] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: I use replaced-url
2173 [16:12:04] <Barones> I need to know how packages work better r4co0n
2174 [16:12:20] <Barones> nice Pegasus_RPG just learned that now
2175 [16:12:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: e.g. click Search for Packages and enter wine.deskop
2176 [16:12:55] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: er I mean Search the contents of packages
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2179 [16:13:50] <Ilyas> Pegasus_RPG: a reboot broke both eth interfaces :(
2180 [16:13:57] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: On that note, install the apt-file package to get that functionality
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2182 [16:14:03] <Barones> Pegasus_RPG, sorry for asking, but a meta-package is only a script that install dependencies to a package?
2183 [16:14:04] <Ilyas> at least, I cant manage them via the GUI anymore
2184 [16:14:15] <r4co0n> Pegasus_RPG, check replaced-url
2185 [16:14:17] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: Did you add the auto lines to interfaces?
2186 [16:14:26] <Ilyas> yea, sec
2187 [16:14:35] <r4co0n> I mean Barones, check replaced-url
2188 [16:14:42] <r4co0n> Sorry Pegasus_RPG
2189 [16:15:00] <Pegasus_RPG> np
2190 [16:15:07] <Ilyas> oh wait, it does seem to be working
2191 [16:15:13] <Ilyas> but the GUI is confused about it
2192 [16:15:24] <Ilyas> well, that's a minor issue
2193 [16:15:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Barones: it's a package that doesn't install anything but merely depends on other packages that provide the thing
2194 [16:15:48] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: yeah, you may now need to edit your network profiles in Network Manager
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2197 [16:16:04] <Ilyas> how do I go about that? is that a gui thing or a cli?
2198 [16:16:09] <Pegasus_RPG> Or just remove Network Manager altogether if that suits you
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2200 [16:16:44] <Pegasus_RPG> oh geez, I'm getting confused between Network manager and KDE's network connection manager GUI
2201 [16:16:47] <Pegasus_RPG> sec
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2203 [16:17:04] <Ilyas> yeah, the docs pages are giving me headaches
2204 [16:17:08] <Ilyas> but dont worry about it for now
2205 [16:17:19] <Ilyas> my VM has connectivity so I'm all helped for now
2206 [16:17:21] <Ilyas> thanks again :)
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2209 [16:17:47] <Ilyas> oh here "NetworkManager will only handle interfaces not declared in /etc/network/interfaces"
2210 [16:17:52] <Ilyas> that does explain a thing or two
2211 [16:18:06] <Ilyas> since I declared them now, they show up as unmanaged
2212 [16:18:09] <Ilyas> lolol
2213 [16:18:10] <Pegasus_RPG> Ilyas: no problem. But yeah, if you don't need to change things around much now that you're connected, you could just remove/disable network-manager completely
2214 [16:18:25] <Pegasus_RPG> really strange it didn't just work for you out of the box though
2215 [16:19:06] <Pegasus_RPG> e.g. I don't have it installed on my servers
2216 [16:19:20] <Pegasus_RPG> Since their network config remains static once set up
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2221 [16:21:13] <Ilyas> yeah, this isnt a prod box
2222 [16:21:20] <Ilyas> normall I wouldnt even have a gui
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2226 [16:24:43] <r4co0n> Someone should really go over replaced-url
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2250 [16:37:04] <frikinz> They've been partially removed replaced-url
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2267 [16:44:52] <likcoras> So I think I got a /56 routed to me by following this replaced-url
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2270 [16:45:57] <likcoras> 'ip a' gives me 2001:stuff::1/56 on this interface.
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2298 [16:58:49] <Emil> I'm experiencing kvm permission issues
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2301 [16:59:46] <Emil> The error I'm getting is: Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied\nfailed to initialize KVM: Permission denied
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2304 [17:00:11] <Emil> Here's the command I'm trying: qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel $top/build/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage -initrd $top/build/initramfs-busybox.cpio.gz -nographic -append "console=ttyS0" -enable-kvm
2305 [17:00:20] <Emil> $top is defined correctly
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2315 [17:04:12] <NCS_One> hi
2316 [17:06:21] <NCS_One> anyone know how can I have fullscreen on debian stretch installed on virtualbox?
2317 [17:07:06] <greycat> you probably want the "vbox guest extensions"
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2319 [17:08:39] <armin> mh, so i have this wireshark installed which uses qt. my whole desktop is DARK but wireshark is hurting my eyes. do i have any way to make that thing dark?
2320 [17:08:50] <greycat> dpkg stretch-vbox-guest
2321 [17:08:50] <dpkg> i heard stretch-vbox-guest is Ilyas> oh, I got it working! I followed this guide replaced-url
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2326 [17:14:02] <NCS_One> I have it working now, thanks
2327 [17:14:18] <NCS_One> was missign the "build-essentials"
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2341 [17:22:26] <r4co0n> babilen, was afk, but: what?
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2354 [17:29:24] <Ilyas> uhoh
2355 [17:29:34] <Ilyas> im stuck in the system!
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2362 [17:32:44] <babilen> r4co0n: You mentioned changes to the wiki
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2389 [17:47:37] <r4co0n> babilen, and 'Knock yourself out" is supposed to mean "Go at it (and rewrite the rest of it too)" or what?
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2396 [17:49:52] <greycat> "Knock yourself out" means "Go ahead. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but it's your life." Or something close to that.
2397 [17:49:53] <OS-36731> Hello everyone
2398 [17:50:05] <OS-36731> anyone ever had a issue with openvpn
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2400 [17:50:20] <babilen> Well, I think editing the wiki to reflect current best practices is a great idea
2401 [17:50:22] <OS-36731> it asks for auth without first prompting for a user name
2402 [17:50:25] <babilen> It just needs someone to do it
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2407 [17:52:38] <netcat> maybe it just wants the password to the key, OS-36731
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2409 [17:53:30] <annadane> "knock yourself out" = drink heavily
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2412 [17:55:04] <babilen> It just means "do as you please"
2413 [17:55:27] <annadane> "do as you please" = drink heavily
2414 [17:56:14] <babilen> Are you Finnish?
2415 [17:56:33] <babilen> Anyway .. this is not really the best topic for #debian
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2417 [17:56:39] <r4co0n> Thanks for clarification, I think I got it right.
2418 [17:57:17] * netcat finds humor in these remarks
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2422 [17:58:10] * greycat wonders what the hell r4co0n and babilen are talking about, scrolls up a bit, sees nothing, tries /lastlog r4co0n, sees gnome-desktop-item-edit, stops wondering or caring
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2424 [17:58:50] <r4co0n> armin, you might want to look at qt5-style-plugins, it seems to provide additional theming for qt apps and talks about environment variable QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME for setting the theme.
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2430 [18:00:49] <greycat> the previous discussion was over 2 hours ago, so yeah, I didn't scroll up that far before giving up and trying /lastlog
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2433 [18:02:29] <r4co0n> It's 157 lines from the original message to stopping to use "<nick>,"
2434 [18:02:53] <greycat> You have no way of knowing how many other channels and event-messages I've got in this window in the last 2.25 hours.
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2466 [18:21:50] <aexl> hi how do i disable automatic download of newer packages?
2467 [18:22:21] <greycat> I have been told "dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades"
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2473 [18:23:49] <aexl> greycat: it asks for "automatic download AND install". and no was already chosen.
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2475 [18:24:46] <aexl> it used to work for me when disabled through dconf. but with upgrading from wheezy to stretch it downloads again.
2476 [18:25:11] <greycat> Another thing you may want to investigate is removing or disabling 'packagekit'.
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2483 [18:29:20] <aexl> apt-get remove packagekit \The following packages will be REMOVED:\ gnome-core gnome-software packagekit packagekit-tools
2484 [18:29:56] <annadane> apt-mark manual gnome-core gnome-software (probably)
2485 [18:29:57] <greycat> ,info gnome-core
2486 [18:29:58] <judd> Package gnome-core (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components. Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 32k; Screenshot: replaced-url
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2489 [18:30:09] <greycat> It's 32k. It's a meta-package.
2490 [18:30:13] <JackK> Is it grub that creates vmlinuz and initramfs-linux symlinks? Anyone know how I can add that to my configuration?
2491 [18:30:15] <nadersith> good evening
2492 [18:30:16] <marsje> I wonder how it is possible that if I do "apt remove libssl1.0.0" it also removings applications like squirrelmail and python2.6?
2493 [18:30:16] <annadane> ah.
2494 [18:30:30] <greycat> marsje: then don't remove it
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2497 [18:30:50] <marsje> greycat: I expected a message like: you can't remove because this and that depends on it
2498 [18:31:13] <greycat> that is precisely what "dpkg --remove libssl1.0.0" will tell you.
2499 [18:31:30] <greycat> apt remove will offer to remove more stuff for you, and prompt for confirmation
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2503 [18:32:45] <marsje> greycat: the output of dpkg makes more sense to me
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2511 [18:34:19] <marsje> greycat: it does also show me all those packages depends on libssl >= 1.0.0, and libssl1.0.2 is also installed
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2513 [18:34:59] <greycat> libssl1.0.0 and libssl1.0.2 are DIFFERENT packages
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2516 [18:35:08] <greycat> ii libssl1.0.0:am 1.0.1t-1+deb amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - sh
2517 [18:35:09] <greycat> ii libssl1.0.2:am 1.0.2l-2+deb amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - sh
2518 [18:35:22] <netcat> apt-mark manual... and i've been doing --reinstall all this time to get the same result
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2521 [18:35:52] <marsje> greycat: ah ok
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2533 [18:43:34] <capin> hello 👋 , I recently started tinkering with cron jobs, and I setup a cron job for my particular user on my debian box, I created the job by running `crontab -u capin -e` which creates a file in the `/tmp` folder. Is there anyway I run this cronjob, ie. "right now" kind of like how the `run-parts` command can run the scripts / jobs in `/etc/cron.daily` when invoked?
2534 [18:44:18] <greycat> capin: the temp file is only used temporarily, by your text editor. Once you save, the contents get copied to the REAL place, and the temp file is removed.
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2536 [18:44:43] <capin> greycat: where is the "REAL" place?
2537 [18:44:50] <greycat> If you want to test a crontab entry, schedule it to run a minute or two from now, and wait. No other test will be actually useful.
2538 [18:45:17] <greycat> Manually running the same command from your shell is NOT a useful test, because it runs with your interactive shell environment instead of cron's bare bones environment.
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2542 [18:46:12] <capin> hmmm
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2546 [18:48:05] <capin> is there not a way to invoke a cronjob using the "bare bones environment" without adjusting the time the job is run?
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2594 [19:15:30] <Kobaz> sooooo
2595 [19:15:42] <Kobaz> systemd.... /etc/init.d/openvpn restart [ ok ] Restarting openvpn (via systemctl): openvpn.service.
2596 [19:15:50] <Kobaz> but it doesn't do anything... it's not actually restarting it
2597 [19:16:06] <Kobaz> it's got the same pid before and after
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2600 [19:16:23] <greycat> does it work if you use systemctl restart, instead of the init.d script?
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2603 [19:16:42] <Kobaz> it does actually
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2619 [19:23:25] <kion> If I changed something in my /etc/hosts how can I make my System take the changes without having to reboot?
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2621 [19:24:45] <greycat> The only time you would need to reboot for a change to /etc/hosts is if you have some long-running service that cached it (e.g. nfs-kernel-server). In which case you could just restart that one service instead.
2622 [19:25:10] <greycat> Otherwise, anything that reads /etc/hosts does so on demand.
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2636 [19:32:55] <kion> greycat, so I just blocked Facebook by adding 0.0.0.0 facebook.com as stated here'replaced-url
2637 [19:33:21] <kion> is there a way to know how many times that host was tried? I guess maybe with iptables?
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2639 [19:33:35] <capin> greycat: replaced-url
2640 [19:34:00] <greycat> What local processes on your Debian computer are actually looking up that hostname? Are people using a web browser on the Debian system?
2641 [19:34:36] <greycat> capin: ... huh? You wanted to run them as someone else than yourself? Then put them in that other person's crontab. Or put them in /etc/crontab with the username field.
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2643 [19:35:44] <capin> no, i wanted to run them as myself
2644 [19:36:03] <greycat> Then I can't parse "run my `user` scripts a `cron` user"
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2670 [19:53:30] <kion> Can Iptables process domain names instead of ip addresses? like saying: iptables -A Output -d some.address.com -j DROP ?
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2673 [19:54:28] <greycat> Is your Debian system actually the router for your network?
2674 [19:54:40] <Junaos> kion: It can, but it will translate the names when the rules are added, not when packets pass.
2675 [19:54:47] <Junaos> So if the IP for a DNS entry changes, IPTables will not update.
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2677 [19:55:18] <greycat> At some point you have to provide details.
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2693 [20:05:24] <kion> Junaos, Thanks! that works for me, as this will be running on my laptop that reloads iptables every day
2694 [20:05:57] * greycat just gets more and more confused as this goes on
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2696 [20:06:23] <greycat> Now it's a laptop? A single-user machine that has no business acting as a server? Why not just *not use facebook*?
2697 [20:07:21] <Junaos> kion: Good luck with blocking Facebook that way (just scrolled up). Facebook has multiple IP addresses -- a huge pool.
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2699 [20:07:37] <Junaos> And IPTables, IIRC, will only grab whichever one resolves at that moment.
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2715 [20:15:04] <annadane> kion, privacytools.io, check out browser extensions
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2718 [20:16:18] <t3st3r> greycat> facebook is also good at placing damn buttons on each and every web site around... so even if you do not use FB, it would use you :P
2719 [20:17:03] <kion> Junaos, annadane thanks, it is just a little experiment, i don't have a FB account, and want to see if I end up logging a few connections after using the internet normally.
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2721 [20:17:31] <greycat> So now you don't actually want to BLOCK facebook; you want to LOG connections made to it.
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2724 [20:17:36] <t3st3r> of course these little pests are using cookies and generally track one down, even without account :)
2725 [20:17:42] <greycat> This would be a whole lot easier using an http proxy.
2726 [20:18:06] <t3st3r> then set up http proxy? :)
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2728 [20:18:36] <greycat> itables works at the IP address level, which as others have pointed out is not going to help you very much in this case
2729 [20:18:45] <t3st3r> though HTTPS could be harder to investigate
2730 [20:18:56] <greycat> an http proxy works at the domain level; and yes, https would defeat that
2731 [20:19:20] <greycat> as more and more of the web moves to https, proxies become more and more useless
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2734 [20:19:42] <Junaos> Honestly, the better solution would be to blackhole the DNS for Facebook. Using something like PiHole.
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2736 [20:19:49] <Junaos> If you were actually trying to block, and not just log, that is.
2737 [20:20:03] <t3st3r> you can try to feed that with own self-signed cert if you added it to browser... but my guess would be facebook buttons/badges/etc.
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2739 [20:20:21] <t3st3r> there're plenty of "login with facebook" buttons and somesuch in the web.
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2742 [20:21:03] <t3st3r> so one can get connection to fb even without using FB...
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2744 [20:21:35] <kion> annadane, Thanks for the tip! great page
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2746 [20:22:00] <kion> greycat, I want both, I want to block and log the attempts
2747 [20:22:42] <t3st3r> then make it resolving to some fake address and log all attempts to that fake? :)
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2752 [20:23:49] <greycat> Well yes, now that we know the problem is "my web browser used only by me on this one machine", then the /etc/hosts hack might actually have a chance, if you can catch all of the hostnames that Facebook might use.
2753 [20:23:50] <kion> I just read this article that suggests adding entries to your /etc/hosts as 0.0.0.0 whatever.facebook.address
2754 [20:24:03] <kion> replaced-url
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2758 [20:24:45] <greycat> If there are a billion hostnames *.facebook.com then you'd want to use a DNS nameserver level hack instead of /etc/hosts.
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2760 [20:25:33] <kion> greycat, that makes sense, this is becomming tougher than I thought
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2764 [20:26:30] <annadane> personally ublock origin and probably https everywhere does all the stuff so i don't have to (there are other extensions but they're not currently compatible with firefox-esr in stretch)
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2768 [20:26:50] <t3st3r> they are hard to get rid of, I can recommend ublock origin browser extension + some decent "annoyances" or "social" filter.
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2770 [20:27:08] <kion> seems like something for Squid, although I have never used it
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2795 [20:42:21] <KrisLT> every few weeks I face an error message [(initramfs): /dev/sda1/ contrains a file system with errors... UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck manualy]
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2799 [20:43:16] <KrisLT> after doing fsck on recovery mode, the problem solves, and the system boots as usual for next few weeks, and then occours again.
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2803 [20:44:07] <KrisLT> is there anything I could to avoid it or further debug to find out the reasons why I get that error message?
2804 [20:44:16] <zPlus> hi, I'd like to install "gnome-builder" from debian stable. Unfortunately, it's pulling down this dependency replaced-url
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2807 [20:44:58] <Tenkawa> zPlus: did you run apt-get update first to make sure your libraries are up to date?
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2809 [20:46:18] <jhutchins_wk> ,v flatpack
2810 [20:46:19] <judd> No package named 'flatpack' was found in amd64.
2811 [20:46:20] <Tenkawa> that needs to be run to make sure the apt catalog/library is up to date
2812 [20:46:26] <jhutchins_wk> ,v flatpak
2813 [20:46:27] <judd> Package: flatpak on amd64 -- stretch-security: 0.8.5-2+deb9u1; jessie-backports: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 0.10.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.11.3-3; sid: 0.11.3-3
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2815 [20:46:45] <t3st3r> KrisLT> could be wise to check what exactly fsck fixes, eh?
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2818 [20:47:00] <t3st3r> like running it manually in verbose/interactive mode, etc
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2826 [20:49:38] <jhutchins_wk> KrisLT: Install smartmontools and enable it; watch dmesg for errors. If you're seeing errors there, buy a new disk NOW. Check your bad blocks - if the count is increasing, ditto, buy NOW.
2827 [20:49:44] <t3st3r> also dmesg could eventually give you some hints... if things make no sense, check, say RAM.
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2838 [20:53:57] <KrisLT> jhutchins_wk, thx
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2874 [21:15:01] <Li> I've downloaded debian in 3 dvds .. everytime I use apt it asks me "mostly" to insert dvd1 into /media/cdrom which I do. Then I notice some parts are bing installed from dvd while others from replaced-url
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2876 [21:15:31] <Li> the question, Is it possible to completely intsall from dvds if I don't want any latest updates?
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2880 [21:16:00] <greycat> the obvious way would be to disconnect the network cable
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2882 [21:16:04] <Li> I think debian is great for an offline distro in that case, which is my problem with limited access to internet
2883 [21:16:27] <Li> greycat: yeah I can test that but I don't break things on this installation
2884 [21:16:33] <lldd> maybe remove urls from /etc/apt/sources.list
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2887 [21:17:59] <Li> ok let me rephrase my question, Are those mentioned dvds supposed to represent/contain complete offline repository for debian?
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2899 [21:23:09] <lldd> I don't think so, the complete repository has more GB than the dvds
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2908 [21:25:25] <Li> lldd would be possible to grab the entire repo on hdd? How if so? any tutorials?
2909 [21:26:14] <lldd> yes: Package: debmirror
2910 [21:26:20] <lldd> for instance
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2919 [21:34:10] <a_duck> i'm getting "Mesa DRI Unknown Intel Chipset" as my GL_RENDERER, and a GL_VERSION of 1.3 in this code: replaced-url
2920 [21:35:00] <stacks88> my / partition has only 20 gb allocated. its reaching 98% used, so i noticed that i have lots of old files like /boot/initrd.img-3.13.*-generic -- can i just rm -f these files, or is there a proper procedure i need to follow before i can do taht? like clearly old files related to kernel that im not even using anymore.. i use stock/distrib kernels
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2922 [21:36:01] <bryceml> I have a question, can you trust that a udp or tcp packet with a source of either 127.0.0.1 or ::1 came from the loopback interface and not from any external facing interface on debian/linux?
2923 [21:36:16] <jhutchins_wk> stacks88: You can purge the old kernels, that will clean up all of the associated files. 20G should be plenty for the OS.
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2927 [21:37:05] <netcat> also, have you tried: sudo apt clean
2928 [21:38:07] <netcat> and is your /home on a separate partition?
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2933 [21:40:14] <jhutchins_wk> stacks88: It's not a good idea to arbitrarily delete files that were created by the system. Use the management tools instead.
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2942 [21:45:48] <Tom_-> bryceml, i'm pretty sure
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2944 [21:45:53] <t3st3r> stacks88> use apt to purge outdated kernels and also apt clean to clean up package cache.
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2947 [21:46:27] <t3st3r> bryceml> one can trick browser into doing request to 127.0.0.1 for example.
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2951 [21:47:56] <t3st3r> so external resource could eventually provoke undesired activity targeting 127.0.0.1 despite it being unavailable from outside
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2958 [21:50:15] <kion> If I have libreoffice installed and want to install the backports version, how should I do it? do I have to remove and install, or just install the backports one? I don't want to end with 2 libreoffices!
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2964 [21:51:36] <lechucknet> kion, your question is answer buy you
2965 [21:51:50] <hypn0> dud you install 1st on with debs?
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2968 [21:52:07] <lechucknet> package system works with different programs in route, if you want to install a ne verwion and dont have old one delete it first
2969 [21:52:15] <lechucknet> or do apt upgrade (package name)
2970 [21:52:16] <stacks88> t3st3r: for example i have /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-76-generic -- but when i do dpkg -l|grep 3.13.0-76 i see: linux-headers-3.13.0-76, linux-headers-3.13.0-76-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-76-generic , linux-image-extra-3.13.0-76-generic, linux-tools-3.13.0-76, linux-tools-3.13.0-76-generic.. so are you saying i should do apt-get autoremove (each one of these)? or should i just do "apt-get remove"
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2980 [21:54:38] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Just install the new package according to the instructions on the backports web page.
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2982 [21:55:16] <jhutchins_wk> kion: The good thing about backports is that the versioning works WITH the normal repos, so upgrades will work smoothly.
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2988 [21:57:04] <t3st3r> stacks88> it depends if you can autoremove that. But you can surely "purge". Make sure not to purge your running kernel.
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2991 [21:58:20] <t3st3r> and then "clean" removes downloaded deb packages, usually from /var/cache/apt/archives - these take plenty of space as well
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3003 [22:03:16] <bryceml> thanks t3st3r
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3021 [22:15:02] <annadane> someone remind me how to switch from nouveau -> nvidia and vice versa, i always forget (and need to write it down for once)
3022 [22:15:13] <annadane> (i mean after installing the driver)
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3028 [22:16:40] <annadane> update-alternatives --config glx
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3030 [22:17:03] <annadane> !next
3031 [22:17:04] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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3107 [22:52:40] <argusbr> the license VMware Workstation can be used in vmware esxi?
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3110 [22:53:39] <ksk> argusbr: this is #debian, please go ask vmware
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3127 [23:01:44] <SpaceSenate> hello
3128 [23:02:04] <Tenkawa> hi
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3137 [23:04:49] <Tenkawa> ouch crashed pretty hard
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3149 [23:11:27] <rekt> Anyone use an OLED display?
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3151 [23:12:30] <rekt> Over 1000 people and nobody uses oled?
3152 [23:13:08] <rekt> this is a question about pixel mapping and preserving the display in debian
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3155 [23:13:41] <Harm133> hey guys, where can I get makeisofs ? I want to edit a file within an ISO which seems to be a pain in the as...
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3158 [23:13:53] <rekt> Has anyone written a script to overlay a black pixel grid to preserve the display?
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3160 [23:15:06] <axis_> i want to install a kernel package via a script inside a chroot. but when i do this, it prompts me to install grub to a device. how can i figure out the debconf settings that i need to manipulate?
3161 [23:15:10] <rekt> Such as like this replaced-url
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3163 [23:16:12] <rekt> The grid shifts every 5 minutes, blocking light from alternating pixels
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3236 [23:51:46] <awal1> what should I be looking for if I want to mount a removable media since boot?
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3238 [23:52:37] <awal1> if not wrong, udev is for internal stuff; what about removable media stuff since boot (before login in X) ?
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3243 [23:53:56] <awal1> in my case , I am trying to find out how to make my usb wifi adapter connect just like my internal wifi card
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3245 [23:54:39] <awal1> I mean make it connect to my home wifi before login in X
3246 [23:55:12] <n4dir> awal1: my wifi-dongle (if that is the name) get's recognized during boot. Why is beyond me, because it always happens
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3253 [23:56:44] <n4dir> the connection happens through wicd (in my case)
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3255 [23:57:04] <awal1> n4dir, if you boot right to virtual console (tty) do es your usb adapter connects to wifi?
3256 [23:57:17] <awal1> some people calls it dongle something yeah
3257 [23:57:28] <awal1> hm, using nm here
3258 [23:58:03] <awal1> i'll try with wicd later so
3259 [23:58:10] <t3st3r> awal1> wi-fi is one thing and mount is another. How do they are related at all?
3260 [23:59:04] <t3st3r> nm could start before X and without X and it could apply connections I guess.
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3262 [23:59:30] <n4dir> awal1: yes, it does (as i always boot to console, no display-manager). Usually it needs a bit of time though, before it happened (less than a minute)
3263 [23:59:34] <t3st3r> to manually connect something using nm connections you can try nmcli
3264 [23:59:56] <t3st3r> nmcli only needs nm running, it does not needs X or something at all
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