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• 27[00:15:40] <oxcode> is there a debian usb image? i mean not the dd'ing iso, just want a installer beside my personal data on my seconf usb partition
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• 32[00:17:38] <somiaj> oxcode: look at the 'flexiable method' for creating a usb image in the install guide. This is done with a vfat partition and syslinux
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• 34[00:19:21] <g0zzy> Can someone please tell me how to set the active Java jdk in jessie. The usual suspects produce no changes (even when setting JAVA_HOME manually)
• 35[00:19:35] <oxcode> somiaj: i hnkihavdone it now, just dd'ing the iso to my drive and create a 3rd partition for my data
• 36[00:20:05] <oxcode> so it looks like~400 sdb1,some kb for sdb2 efi, and 22gb for sdb3
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• 38[00:20:18] <oxcode> thanks anyway
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• 41[00:22:37] <somiaj> yea, some images let you put another partition at the end of it, some don't (I think these are the hdd images vs hybrid), but anyways, the flexiable method with syslinux gives a nice way to allow more verstality in the setup of your install medium.
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• 43[00:23:14] <somiaj> g0zzy: what do you mean? You want so when you run 'java' you get the right version? This sounds like a $PATH issue.
• 44[00:24:34] <g0zzy> Yes, and javac
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• 46[00:25:18] <g0zzy> Ah it could be that i have an old path in PATH
• 47[00:25:58] <somiaj> which java will let you know which binary the PATH is running
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• 50[00:27:51] <g0zzy> Thanks. I had JAVA_HOME hardcode in .bashrc
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• 56[00:34:27] <awal1> how can I make nm use only a specific wifi adapter?
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• 58[00:34:53] <somiaj> You could disable the others, I think there is away to disable adapaters in NM
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• 60[00:35:17] <awal1> I have my internal wifi card and an usb one. nm connects to both when in X
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• 62[00:35:41] <somiaj> you can disable the card in various ways. If not using the internal card, disable it in the firmware.
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• 65[00:37:45] <awal1> I just disconnect the one I dont need but wondering if I can make nm connect just to one and manually to the second one when needed. I added 'iface wlan0 inet manual' to interfaces but in that case nm don't see my wlan0 at all ; same thing will occur if I blacklist it
• 66[00:38:38] <somiaj> I think you can just disable an interface using nm and tell it to ignore it
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• 68[00:39:00] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 69[00:39:11] <somiaj> yup first google hit, lots of ways to tell networkmanager to not manage interfaes
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• 71[00:40:23] <awal1> yesterday I gooled a bit and I found that not possible to manage cards via nm-applet, but maybe via nmcli. let s check that link
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• 74[00:41:04] <g0zzy> somiaj: i don't suppose you know how javafx and java are supposed to know each other on Debian?
• 75[00:41:18] <somiaj> javafx? I don't recongize that.
• 76[00:41:54] <g0zzy> It's a new gui framework
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• 78[00:42:01] <g0zzy> newER
• 79[00:42:06] <somiaj> seems 2008 is when it came out
• 80[00:42:19] <g0zzy> (new than Swing)
• 81[00:42:24] <somiaj> personally I see the package in debian, but it sounds like you may not be using debian's java
• 82[00:42:38] <g0zzy> No, i definitely am ;)
• 83[00:42:41] <somiaj> but I would assume openjfx would work by default with jdk 8 in debian.
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• 85[00:43:02] <g0zzy> Yes, but i've currently got 9 active
• 86[00:43:05] <somiaj> I don't work with java that much, so unsure.
• 87[00:43:15] <somiaj> so you are using java-9 from where?
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• 90[00:43:50] <g0zzy> Backports
• 91[00:43:57] <somiaj> ahh java9 is in backports, so have you checked for other stuff from backports
• 92[00:44:24] <somiaj> ,v openjfx
• 93[00:44:25] <judd> Package: openjfx on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u102-b14-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u111-b14-1; stretch-security: 8u141-b14-3~deb9u1; buster: 8u141-b14-3; sid: 8u151-b12-1
• 94[00:44:27] <g0zzy> Should have checked jfx too
• 95[00:44:54] <somiaj> there isn't one, it looks like the only version of openjfx in debian is version 8-something
• 96[00:45:04] <somiaj> you may want to downgrade to java-8 to use openjfx in debian.
• 97[00:45:11] <g0zzy> Actually i think i'll revert to 8
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• 99[00:45:21] <somiaj> I'm unsure if openjfx will work with 9 or if you will hvae to get the package from oracle
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• 105[00:47:16] <g0zzy> Hmm. Compiler still can't see javafx classes
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• 109[00:49:29] <g0zzy> Silly me - i had linopenjfx instead of openjfx
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• 113[00:51:05] <g0zzy> Thanks somiaj
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• 122[00:56:07] <fareast> looking for r9 380 install for debian can anyone guide me. my graphics is all jacked up.
• 123[00:56:46] <fareast> somehow i was able to fix the antialiasing issue and can sort of read the irc chat.
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• 133[01:00:07] <crised> How do I know if OpenBSD tunnel ip over ip is compatible with debian ip-tunnel?
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• 136[01:01:27] <crised> Is it a good idea to make an IPSec between different OSes?
• 137[01:01:34] <crised> Probably not, right?
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• 139[01:04:21] <fareast> any takers?
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• 146[01:08:01] <fareast> I have to make owner part of the wheelgroup what is the command?
• 147[01:08:14] <fareast> I am going to get reported :0
• 148[01:08:16] <mutante> usermod -G
• 149[01:08:21] <mutante> to add existing user to existing group
• 150[01:08:43] <fareast> more detail
• 151[01:08:47] <mutante> i am not saying anything about the good idea part
• 152[01:09:13] <fareast> i need it to install graphics drivers
• 153[01:09:24] <fareast> so... usermod owner -g
• 154[01:09:32] <fareast> sudo usermod owner -g?
• 155[01:09:51] <fareast> whats the good idea
• 156[01:09:57] <fareast> create an admin account just for that?
• 157[01:09:58] <mutante> no, -g isn't -G
• 158[01:10:21] <RoyK> mutante: the easiest way is just vi /etc/group
• 159[01:10:36] <mutante> tell fareast plz
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• 161[01:11:00] <mutante> does he use vi?
• 162[01:11:01] <RoyK> fareast: it's just text files - see /etc/group
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• 164[01:11:07] <fareast> I have kde debian
• 165[01:11:07] <RoyK> editor /etc/group
• 166[01:11:11] <fareast> my graphics is borked
• 167[01:11:13] <mutante> that's also an easy way to break other things
• 168[01:11:39] <RoyK> vim is the soul of the programmer! replaced-url
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• 170[01:12:14] <fareast> so i just throw owner under root
• 171[01:12:16] <fareast> right?
• 172[01:12:31] <RoyK> probably not
• 173[01:12:37] <fareast> fuck sake
• 174[01:12:50] <fareast> probably isn't an answer
• 175[01:12:57] <RoyK> 42
• 176[01:13:14] <mutante> why did you change the plan?
• 177[01:13:15] <fareast> its called the wheel group
• 178[01:13:23] <fareast> i will look it up nevermind
• 179[01:14:20] <mutante> i told you, -G is to add a user to a group.. shrug
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• 181[01:14:56] <fareast> so what is the command
• 182[01:15:04] <mutante> usermod
• 183[01:15:16] <netcat> fareast, usermod -a -G wheel <username>
• 184[01:15:30] <ukine> -aG works too :)
• 185[01:16:12] <fareast> usermod command not found
• 186[01:16:23] <netcat> yup
• 187[01:16:23] <fareast> i am on kde
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• 189[01:16:28] <ukine> sudo usermod -aG group user
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• 191[01:16:49] <netcat> you need to be root or use sudo, fareast
• 192[01:16:55] <fareast> I am not in the sudo
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• 195[01:17:07] <ukine> oops
• 196[01:17:15] <ukine> no usermod for you then :/
• 197[01:17:24] <fareast> no seriously how can i get root to do it
• 198[01:17:30] <netcat> su
• 199[01:17:33] <ukine> no seriously
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• 201[01:17:47] <ukine> su without arguments is going to ask for the root password
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• 204[01:18:07] <fareast> group wheel doesn't exist
• 205[01:18:13] <fareast> what is the group name for debian kde?
• 206[01:18:27] <fareast> i have the password
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• 208[01:18:42] <fareast> group name root?
• 209[01:18:45] <ukine> i don't know i use mate
• 210[01:18:48] <netcat> and while you're root: adduser -aG sudo <you>
• 211[01:19:09] <netcat> imean usermod, not adduser
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• 214[01:19:45] <fareast> ok this better work.
• 215[01:20:10] <ukine> fareast, we're all users here
• 216[01:20:33] <netcat> and groupadd wheel
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• 218[01:21:36] <ukine> well, of debian. using chemicals belongs in -offtopic if anywhere. i stopped chatting on 420chan irc a loooooooong time ago.
• 219[01:22:10] <fareast> ok its not letting me in
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• 221[01:22:14] <fareast> but i can just run my commands with su
• 222[01:22:21] <ukine> sorry to just dive in here and make jokes. i don't know the severity of what's going on with fareast
• 223[01:22:23] <fareast> that will work
• 224[01:22:29] <fareast> its not that serious
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• 226[01:22:43] <ukine> while you're root
• 227[01:22:50] <fareast> yeah man
• 228[01:22:53] <fareast> that is what i am doing
• 229[01:22:56] <ukine> usermod -aG sudo fareast
• 230[01:22:56] <fareast> installing the graphics
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• 232[01:23:08] <fareast> i did that
• 233[01:23:15] <fareast> exited terminal and says i am still not sudo
• 234[01:23:19] <ukine> ok
• 235[01:23:23] <fareast> so i am just running everything under su
• 236[01:23:28] <ukine> you have to use visudo as root
• 237[01:23:29] <fareast> I suppose that is the right way to do it
• 238[01:23:30] <netcat> log out and back in
• 239[01:23:38] <fareast> ok so
• 240[01:23:43] <fareast> the ol logout and back in
• 241[01:23:44] <fareast> i see
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• 243[01:23:53] <fareast> well i will save that if this doesn't work
• 244[01:24:01] <ukine> and scroll down to where it says something like "root (ALL:ALL)=ALL" (totally a guesstimate)
• 245[01:24:23] <ukine> and add another line right below the root line (press enter at the end of the root line)
• 246[01:24:46] <ukine> that is the exact same tabs or spaces, check out the root line, as the one you add below it.
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• 248[01:25:11] <mutante> or you could use ... root
• 249[01:25:18] <ukine> then you ^O (ctrl + the letter o)
• 250[01:25:24] <fareast> ok new problem
• 251[01:25:27] <ukine> and then ^Y (saves the changes)
• 252[01:25:34] <fareast> kde debian how to i extract a zip file
• 253[01:25:38] <fareast> ark doesn't handle it
• 254[01:25:49] <fareast> i am asking dumb questions i know
• 255[01:25:53] <fareast> they should be easy to answer
• 256[01:25:58] <ukine> yes
• 257[01:26:06] <ukine> but this should be a secondary resource to google
• 258[01:26:06] <mutante> so the "vi is easiest" thing, did it go well
• 259[01:26:21] <fareast> yeah well my browser is crashing
• 260[01:26:32] <fareast> i am tired of reloading it
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• 262[01:26:47] <ukine> visudo in debian since i can remember (i began using ubuntu late in high school)
• 263[01:26:55] <ukine> actually uses nano
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• 265[01:27:06] <fareast> I am sorry I am not so proficient in linux
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• 270[01:27:33] <fareast> you give me dos and I am a wiz.
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• 272[01:28:28] <fareast> I am not a coder by trade.
• 273[01:28:57] <netcat> nano is easy but wimpy. i'd install joe if you want something more like that, but more useful.
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• 276[01:29:29] <fareast> I am going to use 7zip
• 277[01:29:38] <fareast> that works
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• 280[01:30:41] <fareast> xarchiver or whatever
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• 282[01:31:35] <chillfan> file-roller is also usable
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• 286[01:36:41] <fareast> lets get to why i am using debian in the first place
• 287[01:36:52] <fareast> I am doing it because steam is supported correct?
• 288[01:37:04] <abrotman> I heard that's true
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• 291[01:38:38] <netcat> fareast, steam works great in stretch
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• 296[01:41:49] <fareast> yeah i am on it
• 297[01:41:51] <fareast> kde
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• 302[01:44:47] <fareast> fglrx not support xorg
• 303[01:45:03] <fareast> what is up with it?
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• 305[01:45:31] <abrotman> use the radeon driver?
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• 307[01:45:44] <fareast> should i just get the linux 64 one or the ubuntu
• 308[01:45:46] <fareast> from amd?
• 309[01:45:57] <abrotman> ubuntu what?
• 310[01:46:05] <abrotman> use the radeon driver
• 311[01:46:07] <fareast> just linux 32/64 driver from amd
• 312[01:46:14] <fareast> right from the website
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• 317[01:47:48] <fareast> doesn't work
• 318[01:47:56] <fareast> is there another repo?
• 319[01:48:25] <fareast> error: Detected X Server version 'XServer 1.19.2_64a' is not supported. Supported versions are X.Org 6.9 or later, up to XServer 1.10 (default:v2:x86_64:lib:XServer 1.19.2_64a:none:4.9.0-6-amd64:)
• 320[01:48:25] <fareast> Installation will not proceed.
• 321[01:49:11] <fareast> its a r9 380
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• 323[01:49:30] <fareast> worked in 8
• 324[01:49:43] <fareast> something different about 9?
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• 329[01:52:47] <fareast> I guess i need to build the Debian/stable
• 330[01:52:54] <fareast> that is the good one right?
• 331[01:53:28] <fareast> I have sid etch stable lenny unstable
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• 333[01:54:05] <fareast> or 9 is etch
• 334[01:54:07] <fareast> or stretch
• 335[01:54:16] <fareast> so i imagine etch is the one.....?
• 336[01:56:11] <somiaj> by amd driver do you my 'fglrx' or cataylist?
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• 338[01:57:24] <somiaj> oh yea you said fglrx, that has been discontinuned and not supported for a while now. For older cards just use the radeon free driver + firmware. newer cards the amdgpupro driver (the new one from amd) may work, but they only make packages for ubuntu you have to kinda mess with to get working in debian (if they can work in debian)
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• 353[01:59:23] <fareast> ok what is best for this card then
• 354[01:59:28] <fareast> ubuntu?
• 355[01:59:55] <fareast> I just want to run steam
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• 357[02:00:18] <fareast> I built a gaming rig I want to use it you know.
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• 367[02:03:29] <fareast> I am almost going to goto ubuntu gamepack
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• 370[02:04:40] <somiaj> fareast: what card? In general I find nvidia a bit more relable for gaming in linux, but that is just my experience.
• 371[02:04:45] <RoyK> if people were as smart as crows… it would be rather nie
• 372[02:04:48] <RoyK> if people were as smart as crows… it would be rather nice
• 373[02:05:16] <fareast> its a r9 380
• 374[02:05:20] <somiaj> though that is beisdes the point, if the card is a newer card it will be supported by the amdgpupro driver, you'll just have to search around google for how to get it to install for debian (though if you ran ubuntu, you can just down load a package)
• 375[02:05:24] <fareast> a 380 4gb
• 376[02:05:33] <somiaj> I think that is newenough to be supported by the amdgpupro or amdgpu driver
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• 378[02:05:53] <fareast> ok where can i get the driver
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• 382[02:06:17] <somiaj> I see the R9 380 listed there
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• 384[02:06:37] <fareast> ok
• 385[02:06:44] <fareast> so rhel or ubuntu?
• 386[02:06:46] <somiaj> though tehpackage is only made for ubunut, and I'm unsure what sort of work requires to get it to install in debian. AT one time I think it just required changing ubuntu to debian in a script, but that is a few years old of knowledge
• 387[02:06:54] <somiaj> that is all amd supports
• 388[02:07:08] <fareast> I am better to goto ubuntu then
• 389[02:07:08] <somiaj> and of course debian has no control of this and cannot support their software.
• 390[02:07:12] <fareast> and just optimize it for gaming
• 391[02:07:31] <fareast> I am just saying where is the debian community at?
• 392[02:07:32] <somiaj> as I said, I have heard of installing the ubunut driver in debian, unsure on the work required, but that isn't supported by debian, but google can help.
• 393[02:08:13] <fareast> what are the advantages of going debian really?
• 394[02:08:16] <somiaj> what do you mean? In debian you can use the amdgpu driver or the radeon driver, these are both open drivers that work wtih the card, and nvidia provides non-free firmware with it too.
• 395[02:08:21] <somiaj> !why debian
• 396[02:08:21] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
• 397[02:08:41] <fareast> keyword is freedom.
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• 399[02:08:45] <fareast> freedom
• 400[02:08:55] <fareast> that is important correct?
• 401[02:09:10] <somiaj> one of the tings, debian policy requires any package in main meets the DFSG.
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• 403[02:09:30] <fareast> right where ubuntu is loaded with malware like google play correct?
• 404[02:09:36] <somiaj> but debian does provided non-free software when it can, to me it is about the stability and well tested enviroment, and once you learn to do things the 'debian way' a really solid, secure and relable os.
• 405[02:10:19] <somiaj> ubuntu doesn't have the same destinction as debian between free and non-free and they as a corperation make deals with other corprations to help make the user experience nicer, at a cost of choice and freedom, and you get non-free software by default
• 406[02:10:53] <somiaj> so yes they corperation provides you with lots of stuff, some maybe called malware, but to others they are oftering nicer software that just works.
• 407[02:11:06] <somiaj> in terms of gaming, debian is not the desktop steam developers target
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• 409[02:11:38] <fareast> cost of choice and freedom
• 410[02:11:53] <fareast> freedom is a strong word when it comes to software since software is the biggest problem in IT
• 411[02:12:03] <fareast> software is the vulnerability
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• 414[02:12:31] <lapigua> mv bghgcz
• 415[02:12:44] <fareast> whatever you want to call it malware or spyware or marketware or telemetry its all the same right?
• 416[02:13:41] <fareast> ransomware and keyloggers the list just goes on and on.
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• 418[02:14:04] <fareast> stablility and security that is what I am looking for.
• 419[02:14:06] <somiaj> this is geting far from support and not even about debian.
• 420[02:14:32] <fareast> so do you have another distro that you might suggest?
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• 423[02:15:24] <somiaj> that question might get some answers in ##linux. But here we suggest and support debian.
• 424[02:15:37] <fareast> I know and I am looking for a secure gaming distro
• 425[02:16:04] <somiaj> have you even tried the radeon driver or amdgpu driver + firmware-amd-nonfree from non-free?
• 426[02:16:06] <fareast> I know the answer. No need to sweat the little things
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• 429[02:16:34] <fareast> lemme try
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• 431[02:16:34] <somiaj> I don't have any experience with radeon hardware, as I said I do all my gaming on nvidia hardware as I have just had better luck with it myself, though I uses the non-free blobs.
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• 436[02:17:24] <netcat> fareast, with previous versions of debian i had to use fglrx drivees. with stretch, firmware handles it ok. just install firmware-linux and it will pull in the amd stuff.
• 437[02:17:36] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 439[02:18:00] <somiaj> netcat: their card is new enough the amdgpu (free) or amdgpupro driver might give better support than radeon though.
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• 441[02:18:19] <somiaj> I would first try the amdgpu open driver + non-free firmware, or look into something like that link to install amdgpupro in debian
• 442[02:18:31] <fareast> just tell me the package name
• 443[02:18:46] <fareast> amdgpupro
• 444[02:18:50] <fareast> right
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• 447[02:19:13] <somiaj> oh wait, that last link is for amdgpu, maybe they are suggesting building/backporiting mesa
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• 450[02:19:41] <thetoolman> hey there! I have a bit of an issue i can't seem to figure out. I've got a machine with a bunch of drives. 2 wd reds in a raid 1 which when I write dev zero to a file on ext4 i get 157MB/s. I have a second drive which is a seagate 4TB with ntfs. when i dd from dev zero to a file on this one, i get 99.4MB/s. when I read that same file on the two sources, i get 170MB/s and 150MB/s.
• 451[02:19:47] <thetoolman> WhenI rsync filees from one to the other, I get a bit less than 8MB/s. CP does the same according to iostat. am i doing something wrong here?
• 452[02:19:51] <fareast> I am on the amd gpu driver
• 453[02:19:57] <somiaj> fareast: I would do some reasearch. I already told you the firmware package, firmware-amd-graphics, and the kernel already has the radeon or amdgpu driver, try them out.
• 454[02:20:00] <fareast> it doesn't even support my highest resolution
• 455[02:20:09] <somiaj> fareast: if that doens't work for you, then you may want to look into ways to get amdgpu to install
• 456[02:20:18] <somiaj> fareast: did you isntall the firmware as suggested multiple times?
• 457[02:20:22] <fareast> yes
• 458[02:20:29] <fareast> i suppose I should restart correct?
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• 460[02:20:54] <somiaj> well you do have to have the firmware available whent he kms module is laoded
• 461[02:21:04] <fareast> lol
• 462[02:21:09] <fareast> see I was thinkin
• 463[02:21:17] <fareast> ok lemme reboot
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• 465[02:21:40] <somiaj> thetoolman: are these drives on the same sata bus?
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• 468[02:22:43] <somiaj> thetoolman: could be that reading/writing to teh same sata controler slows things down, you said you are copying files, instead of a large file, due to writing info about the file in the filesystem metadata, multiple files can be slower than one big file (like a write of 0's ora pure read would be).
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• 471[02:23:15] <somiaj> thetoolman: but others maybe able to better describe why you experience much slower speeds when coping between the two drivers than a pure write/read, there is also ##hardware (my hardware knowledge is limited)
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• 473[02:23:23] <fareast> interesting
• 474[02:23:30] <fareast> I believe there is an improvement
• 475[02:23:53] <thetoolman> these drives are on the same sata controller.
• 476[02:24:01] <fareast> still no hires tho
• 477[02:24:47] <somiaj> then start looking though your logs. check dmesg for info about your gpu, check xorg log for info about your gpu, and so on. It could be just the age of your card vs the version of the kernel and firmware in debian.
• 478[02:24:51] <somiaj> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
• 479[02:24:52] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
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• 481[02:25:08] <somiaj> the newer firmware and kernel from stretch-backports may help out on that card
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• 483[02:25:40] <somiaj> though you'll have to play around and as i said do some research to get amdgpu or amdgpupro working with that card in debian (and I don't know the answer)
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• 486[02:27:20] <fareast> amdgpupro is fully supported on redhatenterprise
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• 488[02:27:40] <fareast> debian is a craps shoot
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• 490[02:28:13] <fareast> can you game on redhat?
• 491[02:28:14] <somiaj> welcoem to non-free software
• 492[02:28:21] <somiaj> not on topic for debian.
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• 633[04:19:22] <password32> is it possible to nstall .rpm files in debian?
• 634[04:19:36] <password32> the instrctions ihave for this software is for redhat
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• 639[04:20:38] <annadane> possible, yes. recommended, no
• 640[04:20:48] <annadane> actually i'm not sure if it even is possible
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• 642[04:21:26] <nkuttler> password32: definitely not recommended. but you can use alien
• 643[04:21:33] <password32> well ican browse the rpm files contents , its like a archive
• 644[04:22:39] <password32> freaking esoteric fpgas
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• 652[04:30:41] <password32> well i can do wrorse than trying
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• 659[04:35:13] <password32> wow , alien actually uses a lot of cpu , and ram
• 660[04:35:42] <password32> oh just cpu
• 661[04:37:22] <RoyK> aliens?
• 662[04:37:30] <RoyK> they eat our souls!
• 663[04:38:02] <RoyK> like those from redhat ;)
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• 672[04:45:58] <password32> ok , now how do i inastall a .deb file XD
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• 675[04:46:16] <annadane> by using apt install
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• 681[04:51:01] <awal1> password32, dpkg -i path-to-you.deb
• 682[04:51:08] <awal1> or use gdebi
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• 700[05:09:09] <aperes_> password32, you can install it with the command "sudo deb -i file.deb" or you could add the file to synaptic, just go to File>Add package (or something like that).
• 701[05:09:39] <password32> cool
• 702[05:09:45] <password32> thanx for the help , gotta go now
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• 717[05:27:13] <annadane> i missed the context of their question >_>
• 718[05:27:22] <annadane> no tech support past 9 pm
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• 797[06:31:19] <arha> hmm.. not sure where's the right place to ask buuut...
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• 800[06:32:18] <arha> the init.d script for /usr/sbin/mosquitto (mosquitto package) doesn't seem to start the daemon at all
• 801[06:32:31] <arha> i mean... i can start it manually, by running mosquitto -v, and i can see clients connecting etc
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• 803[06:33:12] <arha> but if i do /etc/init.d/mosquitto start it keeps saying Starting mosquitto (via systemctl): mosquitto.service.
• 804[06:33:26] <arha> (even if a separate copy is started in a shell, occupying the same port...)
• 805[06:33:32] <arha> it stopped a long time ago, too
• 806[06:33:50] <arha> weird thing is, before i killed it (manually) clients have been connecting to it for over 4 days
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• 824[06:55:12] <Nawab> Guys
• 825[06:55:45] <Nawab> When i try to e2fsck a partition i get it to run on read only method
• 826[06:56:04] <Nawab> How do i make it run on write too
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• 841[07:07:00] <dj127650> Is there any special considerations when it comes to installing debian on an SSD with encryption?
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• 843[07:07:46] <dj127650> Ive read thst overwriting your SSD with zeros like the encrypted install does is somehow bad for it
• 844[07:07:49] <Nawab> Hello pls help
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• 846[07:08:50] <Nawab> I had my system on when for a moment the power went off
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• 848[07:09:32] <Nawab> Now restarting the system puts me on rescue mode with home system mounting failed
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• 850[07:09:44] <Nawab> Also i cant e2fsck it
• 851[07:10:25] <RoyK> Nawab: you want to fsck a mounted filesystem?
• 852[07:10:37] <Nawab> No
• 853[07:10:44] <Nawab> Its unmounted
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• 855[07:11:01] <Nawab> But i cant do a write mode e2fsck
• 856[07:11:02] <RoyK> Nawab: then it should be simple to fsck
• 857[07:11:27] <RoyK> Nawab: is the filesystem writable?
• 858[07:11:35] <RoyK> that is, the blockdevice?
• 859[07:11:40] <Nawab> Idk
• 860[07:11:48] <RoyK> what sort of storage?
• 861[07:11:53] <Nawab> hdd
• 862[07:12:07] <Nawab> How to check if its writable?
• 863[07:12:09] <RoyK> spinning rust?
• 864[07:12:21] <Nawab> No
• 865[07:12:31] <dj127650> Am I wrong?
• 866[07:12:33] <Nawab> Its 2 years old
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• 868[07:12:36] <RoyK> ssd?
• 869[07:12:41] <Nawab> No hdd
• 870[07:12:47] <RoyK> so spinning rust
• 871[07:12:53] <Nawab> Ok?
• 872[07:13:05] <RoyK> that's what they call what's spinning ;)
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• 874[07:13:15] <RoyK> anyway - it should be writable
• 875[07:13:15] <Nawab> ah
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• 879[07:13:27] <Nawab> How to e2fsck it
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• 881[07:13:39] <Nawab> In write mode
• 882[07:13:39] <RoyK> fsck -f /dev/blah
• 883[07:13:48] <Nawab> Ok
• 884[07:14:00] <Nawab> Im moving some files now
• 885[07:14:11] <RoyK> don't do that before you fsck it
• 886[07:14:18] <Nawab> Yes
• 887[07:14:28] <Nawab> let it finish
• 888[07:14:31] <RoyK> if the filesystem's broken, you'll mess things up
• 889[07:15:14] <Nawab> Ok
• 890[07:16:03] <Nawab> RoyK also is there a way to set a new home partition?
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• 892[07:16:31] <RoyK> Nawab: obviousy, just edit /etc/fstab
• 893[07:16:44] <Nawab> Oh
• 894[07:17:01] <Nawab> Just tht?
• 895[07:17:14] <RoyK> you'll have to make the new partition first
• 896[07:17:17] <RoyK> and move the data
• 897[07:17:23] <RoyK> but that's about it
• 898[07:17:25] <Nawab> Ok
• 899[07:17:37] <Nawab> move what data?
• 900[07:17:49] <dj127650> Can someone tell me if Debian is actually zero-filling the drive during full disk encryption?
• 901[07:17:51] <RoyK> from the old home partition, perhaps?
• 902[07:18:04] <Nawab> Which folders?
• 903[07:18:20] <RoyK> dj127650, I'm quite sure it does
• 904[07:18:25] <Nawab> dj127650 idk i never tried encryption
• 905[07:18:48] <RoyK> dj127650, given the time it takes for full disk encryption, it seems so
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• 908[07:18:54] <RoyK> dj127650, but not sure
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• 910[07:18:59] <dj127650> So how does that work then if I want to install it with encryption on an SSD
• 911[07:19:17] <RoyK> well, a disk is a disk
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• 913[07:19:54] <dj127650> Ive read zero filling an SSD can lower its performance
• 914[07:20:23] <RoyK> it can unless you're using trim
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• 916[07:20:39] <RoyK> not sure how trim works with fulldisk encryption, though
• 917[07:20:44] <RoyK> look it up
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• 919[07:22:11] <RoyK> dj127650: it won't be zero filling with encryption, though
• 920[07:22:41] <RoyK> it'll be filling the disk with crap, meaning trim probabaly won't work too well
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• 922[07:23:08] <RoyK> but again, don't take my word for it - others may know better
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• 927[07:28:00] <dj127650> Thanks
• 928[07:28:23] <dj127650> I didnt realize I could skip the zero-fill
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• 930[07:28:34] <n4dir> depending on whom i would expect to attack me and how private the data i want to protect are considered, i wouldn't bother much about zero-filling a harddisk as long it has encryption
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• 934[07:32:47] <Infomaniack> hey I downloaded the debian iso to usb a few weeks ago. I initially checked to make sure it connected to the internet. It did. I then shut it down for few weeks while I was reading up on securing debian. Now I cant connect to my web browser (firefox esr) I can ping so the network is active but when I clicko n the firefox browser I get "failed input/output" any ideas? thanks
• 935[07:33:50] <n4dir> try to start firefox from a terminal or a command prompt?
• 936[07:33:55] <RoyK> possibly a bad usb drive
• 937[07:34:11] <RoyK> check dmesg output
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• 941[07:36:27] <Infomaniack> @n4dir i did try to start from command prompt and got a FAILED_ (some string I forget, followed by like 50 lines of files from the firefox esr path)
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• 946[07:37:36] <Infomaniack> @RoyK ok will check dmesg output. Everything else is working fine on the drive. What makes you think its a bad usb drive?
• 947[07:38:00] <RoyK> just a hunch
• 948[07:38:24] <RoyK> it doesn't cost you much to type dmesg
• 949[07:39:49] <Infomaniack> ok i gotta reboot the machine I am currently on so I cant give you feedback right now
• 950[07:40:06] <RoyK> then the dmesg log will be gone
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• 952[07:40:19] <RoyK> better check dmesg first
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• 955[07:41:26] <Infomaniack> and what should I look for
• 956[07:41:36] <RoyK> i/o errors
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• 958[07:41:51] <RoyK> the stand out quite a bit
• 959[07:42:20] <Infomaniack> aight good thing I can read.
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• 968[07:46:50] <darkLord19> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER darkLord19 xqlgwelbbztt
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• 970[07:47:23] <darkLord19> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER darkLord19 xqlgwelbbztt
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• 975[07:47:56] <Spiffy> LOL
• 976[07:47:58] <RoyK> darkLord19, time for a password change? ;)
• 977[07:48:03] <Spiffy> Nice move darkLord19
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• 1021[08:13:57] <BLACKHACK> y que hay de nuevo
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• 1024[08:15:08] <BLACKHACK> estos foros estan muertos bro
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• 1026[08:15:24] <Haohmaru> no comprende italiano, bro ;P~
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• 1028[08:16:01] <BLACKHACK> :)
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• 1035[08:17:02] <BLACKHACK> replaced-url
• 1036[08:17:54] <jelly> !es
• 1037[08:17:54] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 1038[08:18:16] <klys> !it
• 1039[08:18:17] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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• 1041[08:18:24] <jelly> that's not italian
• 1042[08:18:29] <klys> o ok
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• 1045[08:18:52] <BLACKHACK> gracias loco
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• 1049[08:20:40] <BLACKHACK> replaced-url
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• 1054[08:23:08] <jelly> BLACKHACK: this is a support channel, please avoid advertising your own videos
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• 1060[08:24:37] <BLACKHACK> sorry
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• 1062[08:25:07] <Spiffy> Horrible editing, horrible music, super basic content ...
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• 1064[08:25:26] <jelly> it is also not a video review channel, either
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• 1066[08:25:45] <jelly> ##chat is over there ->
• 1067[08:25:48] <BLACKHACK> no support now bby
• 1068[08:26:00] <jelly> or #debian-offtopic
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• 1072[08:27:18] <Haohmaru> how much RAM can you stuff onto a debian? (assuming the hardware can handle it)
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• 1077[08:30:41] <jelly> Haohmaru: as much as the hardware supports
• 1078[08:30:50] <Haohmaru> nice
• 1079[08:31:03] <bipul> Do anyone know what kind of file is winmail.dat?
• 1080[08:31:08] <klys> haohmaru, ram is nowhere near being addressed with 64 bits this year
• 1081[08:31:48] <Haohmaru> i bet, but some OSes add artificial limits for some reason
• 1082[08:31:57] <jelly> and no system so far has had actual physical 64 address lines
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• 1085[08:33:12] <klys> if you mean how a 32-bit os can only use 4 GiB, yes, that still applies to debian-386.
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• 1087[08:34:10] <Haohmaru> nah, i think certain variants of windows (the cheaper ones) limit it
• 1088[08:34:17] <Haohmaru> no matter that they're 64bit
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• 1090[08:34:25] <jelly> the "32bit" only limits each process separately with debian's PAE enabled 686 kernels
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• 1094[08:36:12] <Haohmaru> does that mean something like.. if you have 32bit debian, and 8GB of ram, you can run two programs that each consume, say, 3GB?
• 1095[08:36:17] <alkisg> 32bit debian can access 64GB
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• 1100[08:36:23] <alkisg> So yes to your question
• 1101[08:36:27] <Haohmaru> nice
• 1102[08:36:36] <Haohmaru> that's with the "pae" kernel?
• 1103[08:36:41] <alkisg> Yes
• 1104[08:36:45] <Haohmaru> kewl
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• 1119[08:42:43] *** jelly sets mode: +b *!*@186.101.238.125$##not-a-honeypot
• 1120[08:43:10] <Haohmaru> if you wake the computer after suspend, is it normal that the RAM usage is higher than it was before the suspend?
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• 1122[08:43:46] <jelly> which part of ram usage, looking at "free" output before and after?
• 1123[08:44:41] <Haohmaru> i'm looking at the RAM meter which is part of the "Resource monitors" applet of lxpanel
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• 1126[08:45:21] <jelly> yeah, go look at free instead
• 1127[08:45:54] <Haohmaru> too many numbers there
• 1128[08:46:23] <jelly> many of them are useful
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• 1130[08:46:37] <Haohmaru> i bet, but it makes the comparison harder ;P~
• 1131[08:46:57] <jelly> it makes it easier to pastebin and compare
• 1132[08:47:06] <jelly> !free ram
• 1133[08:47:06] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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• 1135[08:47:40] <jelly> that's a bit outdated, modern free now has an "available" column
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• 1138[08:51:56] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
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• 1145[08:57:39] <Haohmaru> i guess all those numbers are in bytes?
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• 1149[08:59:25] <wrksx> hey
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• 1173[09:19:05] <towo^work> Haohmaru, use free -m, it's better readable
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• 1175[09:19:23] <towo^work> or free -h
• 1176[09:19:26] <Haohmaru> i tried -h
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• 1178[09:19:52] <lupulo> towo^work, cat /proc/cpu
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• 1181[09:20:33] <towo^work> lupulo, what are you telling me?
• 1182[09:20:58] <towo^work> btw, /proc/cpu doesn't exist
• 1183[09:21:06] <towo^work> only /proc/cpuinfo
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• 1211[09:33:17] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
• 1212[09:33:31] <OtakuSenpai> will the above iso fit in a 4gb usb?
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• 1236[09:42:07] <eugenio> holabrenda :D:)
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• 1303[10:10:34] <stemid> can I temporarily make pkg-config show another openssl when I'm compiling a software that requires a specific version? I tried LDFLAGS=-L/opt/openssl/include but pkg-config still shows the system openssl to the configure script. I looked inside the configure script for ways to override but can't find any.
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• 1306[10:14:43] <petn-randall> OtakuSenpai: That torrent is a few KB, max. Sure.
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• 1324[10:25:16] <bolovanos> hithere
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• 1332[10:28:11] <bolovanos> I have had problem with one webserver running apache. It blocked traffic for my IP on port 80. Is there some kind "app" similar to fail2ban which resembles this behaviour?
• 1333[10:28:49] <Azathoth> did you check the firewall? "iptables -S" or "iptables -nvL"
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• 1336[10:29:08] <Azathoth> fail2ban can also be used to block irregular behaviour for webservers
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• 1339[10:31:55] <bolovanos> Azathoth, no I could not do that, because I did not have access to server. I was just developing something on that webserver where I have ftp access.
• 1340[10:32:03] <bolovanos> ad fail2ban - ok - thx
• 1341[10:33:32] <bolovanos> Azathoth, btw - is that about fail2ban written somewhere - searching for webserver 80 did not return any result on replaced-url
• 1342[10:33:49] <Azathoth> replaced-url
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• 1356[10:51:43] <bolovanos> Azathoth, thank you so much
• 1357[10:51:44] <bolovanos> :)
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• 1410[11:29:09] <introom> hi
• 1411[11:29:31] <introom> i want to start an mate (the deskotop env) session.
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• 1413[11:29:41] <introom> is there some command like start-mate-session?
• 1414[11:29:48] <introom> i remember there is one for gnome.
• 1415[11:29:52] <alkisg> introom: ls /usr/share/xsessions
• 1416[11:29:59] <alkisg> There are .desktop files there, one for each session
• 1417[11:30:02] <alkisg> They contain Exec=lines
• 1418[11:30:09] <alkisg> That's the command for each environment
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• 1420[11:30:36] <babilen> Probably easiest to use your display manager
• 1421[11:30:47] <babilen> (as that takes care of the rest of the initialisation too)
• 1422[11:30:59] <introom> ls
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• 1427[11:34:25] <BluesKaj> "morning
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• 1438[11:40:14] <introom> alkisg: thnx
• 1439[11:40:18] <alkisg> np
• 1440[11:40:23] <introom> it tells me cannot open display, so some x- thing is missing.
• 1441[11:40:34] <introom> are you aware of the minimal package that installs the x stuff
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• 1443[11:40:36] <alkisg> introom: you're probably not running X?
• 1444[11:40:37] <alkisg> :)
• 1445[11:40:44] <Rubas> Hello, does anyone here work at a IT company?
• 1446[11:40:53] <introom> i don't want to pull in too much unuseful thing.
• 1447[11:40:54] <alkisg> introom: I think you need to explain more. Why are you not using a display manager, for starters.
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• 1449[11:41:14] <alkisg> You can use nodm if you want an extremely minimal dm
• 1450[11:41:37] <introom> alkisg: i don't use gui often. i normally ssh to the machine. and the machine is under control, so no complicated auth required.
• 1451[11:42:51] <alkisg> introom: that still doesn't explain the additional complexity involved in not using a dm :D
• 1452[11:43:06] <alkisg> You can specify that you want a text boot with a systemd parameter
• 1453[11:43:17] <alkisg> And when you want GUI, you tell systemd to change the target
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• 1459[11:43:47] <alkisg> And if you don't want to authenticate, nodm supports that, as most other display managers also do
• 1460[11:44:01] <introom> ok. i now go with lightdm.
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• 1463[11:48:43] <alkisg> Rubas: I think this question is too generic, maybe you should be asking what you're looking for directly... if it's related to debian
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• 1466[11:52:11] <bs0d> Hi all. How to suppress the output of a command? I have tried echo "command &> /dev/null &" > ~/.bashrc, but then I still see the output of command in terminal. It is writing to stdout!
• 1467[11:52:44] <bs0d> &> should be an alias for 2&1> right?
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• 1470[11:53:11] <petn-randall> bs0d: Why would you do that? You're completely overwriting your .bashrc with that command.
• 1471[11:53:33] <abrotman> and does nothing near what you're trying to do ...
• 1472[11:53:34] <bs0d> oh sorry, >> ~/.bashrc
• 1473[11:53:47] <abrotman> bs0d: perhaps you meant to create an alias ?
• 1474[11:54:31] <bs0d> no, I need to run a command when the system starts, and so that it runs in the background ( I do not need to see its output, its annoying )
• 1475[11:54:54] <abrotman> There's so much wrong here :(
• 1476[11:55:10] <bs0d> what is wrong?
• 1477[11:55:25] <abrotman> Run at startup? or run when you login?
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• 1479[11:55:55] <bs0d> doesn't really matter, I need it running by the time I log in anyway
• 1480[11:56:02] <abrotman> login via terminal? or login via X?
• 1481[11:56:05] <bs0d> it may start at startup, or at login time
• 1482[11:56:08] <bs0d> login via terminal
• 1483[11:56:14] <abrotman> dpkg: tell bs0d about run at startup
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• 1488[11:57:12] <petn-randall> bs0d: That's a completely wrong approach. That command will be run every time you open a shell, which can be several times per session.
• 1489[11:57:15] <petn-randall> !xy problem
• 1490[11:57:15] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1491[11:57:30] <petn-randall> bs0d: See above. ^^^ Tell us about your overall goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 1492[11:59:20] <antoine__> Hello, I have a problem with CUPS. I have a CUPS service that shares printers across my local network. There are 2 HP printers on it. I installed them with the PPD from printer-driver-hpcups. I can print the test pages no problem.
• 1493[11:59:24] <bs0d> I've got 3 commands to run an NFD service (nfd-start, nfd-status, and nfd-stop). I think this NFD is some sort of a networking daemon. Taking into account what petn-randall just said, I think I need it to start upon system startup
• 1494[11:59:33] <antoine__> When I try to print an actual PDF file, it says "filter failed"
• 1495[11:59:39] <abrotman> I've heard of nfd
• 1496[11:59:46] <abrotman> hopefully a different nfd :)
• 1497[11:59:47] <bs0d> and possibly go down when the system shuts down
• 1498[11:59:56] <abrotman> bs0d: see what teh bot told you
• 1499[12:00:00] <abrotman> the bot
• 1500[12:00:08] <antoine__> The relevant line in /var/log/cups/error_log says "printer-state-reasons=none"...
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• 1503[12:01:27] <antoine__> I have read that CUPS doesn't handle the "low ink" warning from HP printers. Could it be that? Both my printers happen to be low on ink.
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• 1507[12:03:45] <bs0d> abrotman I will try adding a script to /etc/init.d. Thanks for an advice
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• 1514[12:07:44] <lupulo> dpkg about systemd
• 1515[12:07:45] <dpkg> lupulo: I don't know, could you explain it?
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• 1517[12:08:41] <lupulo> dpkg systemd
• 1518[12:08:41] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
• 1519[12:08:58] <lupulo> dpkg why systemd
• 1520[12:08:58] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
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• 1524[12:09:51] <abrotman> dpkg: tell lupulo about selftell
• 1525[12:10:00] <lupulo> dpkg bs0d needs systemd unit file
• 1526[12:10:01] <dpkg> lupulo: have you tried replaced-url
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• 1528[12:10:16] <abrotman> lupulo: please stop ...
• 1529[12:10:21] <lupulo> ok
• 1530[12:10:46] <lupulo> abrotman, dpkg started it :-)
• 1531[12:10:52] <abrotman> no, you did
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• 1537[12:11:37] <enoch85__> hey guys, I have a strange issue that happened when I formatted a drive in windows that were mounted over iSCSI as NTFS. Windows added another partition number to the drive. Like this: replaced-url
• 1538[12:11:40] <lupulo> ok abrotman. sorry again.
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• 1540[12:12:28] <enoch85__> Now, how do I remnove that extra p1 from the device name? Do I need to reformat it or is there any othe option, like with gparted or similar?
• 1541[12:12:43] <petn-randall> lupulo: You do realize that you just had an argument with a bot?
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• 1546[12:13:39] <lupulo> petn-randall, i think the bot has a lot of answers.
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• 1549[12:15:56] * bs0d is rebooting
• 1550[12:16:01] <bs0d> brb
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• 1574[12:33:45] <bs0d> I described the service in a script located in /etc/init.d, but it did not start. How do I run it, and how to I make it run at startup?
• 1575[12:34:07] <abrotman> did you tell teh system to run the script?
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• 1577[12:34:37] <slax0r> isn't that what he's asking?
• 1578[12:34:57] <abrotman> he should say if he tried some command to do that
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• 1580[12:36:23] <bs0d> I tried "update-rc.d nfd enable", but it gave me update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!
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• 1583[12:39:33] <bs0d> my /etc/init.d/nfd script is here: replaced-url
• 1584[12:39:42] <bs0d> is there anything I am doing wrong?
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• 1587[12:42:06] <crised> Downloading debian-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, this can be "burned" into a USB stick, right?
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• 1589[12:42:50] <petn-randall> crised: Yes, however use the methods described in the release notes, that means avoid tools like unetbootin which break those ISOs.
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• 1591[12:43:15] <crised> regular `dd` command is fine?
• 1592[12:44:06] <bs0d> oh well, whatever. Time to revert to initial version of running the script from ~/.bashrc
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• 1594[12:44:17] <enoch85__> guys, anyone that could help me figurte out how to solve this: replaced-url
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• 1596[12:44:45] <enoch85__> Windows added p1 but when I fdisk with p1 it says the device is not existing
• 1597[12:45:20] <petn-randall> bs0d: Can you paste the complete output of the update-rc.d command including output to https:/paste.debian.net?
• 1598[12:45:40] <babilen> crised: A simple "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" should be all you need
• 1599[12:45:47] <bs0d> petn-randall yes, sure. Give me a minute to do it
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• 1601[12:46:26] <babilen> crised: Adjust /dev/sdX as appropriate (should be your usb stick and make sure to not use /dev/sda1 or another partition)
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• 1603[12:46:46] <crised> babilen: ok
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• 1605[12:47:12] <bs0d> petn-randall how do I get the complete output? update-rc.d nfd enable gives me only one string "update-rc.d: error: nfd Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting."
• 1606[12:47:17] <babilen> So if your stick is /dev/sdc you'd end up with "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdc ; sync
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• 1609[12:47:55] <babilen> crised: If you have a working internet connect and require firmware you might want to consider using the firmware image which will download missing packages during the installation
• 1610[12:47:59] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 1611[12:47:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 1612[12:48:23] <bs0d> petn-randall oh wait a sec
• 1613[12:48:37] <crised> babilen: I'm fine with the usb install, I'm not sure about your `cp` command, will that actually extract the iso?
• 1614[12:49:14] <bs0d> petn-randall the only (right) output of "update-rc.d nfd enable" is "update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!" I do not know what to do about it
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• 1619[12:49:56] <petn-randall> bs0d: So "update-rc.d nfd enable" is the complete command you used?
• 1620[12:50:29] <petn-randall> bs0d: If so, check the man page for the correct syntax.
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• 1624[12:51:30] <babilen> crised: You don't want to "extract" it, you want to copy its data to the usb stick. cp is used for copying data
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• 1626[12:51:52] <crised> babilen: How will it boot afterwards?
• 1627[12:51:58] <crised> it won't boot from an iso file, right?
• 1628[12:52:18] <babilen> No, that's why you write it to the usb stick
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• 1630[12:52:40] <babilen> /dev/sdX should *not* be a filesystem, but your stick
• 1631[12:52:51] <babilen> (i.e. something like /dev/sdc)
• 1632[12:52:53] <crised> babilen: oh I undersand
• 1633[12:52:58] <crised> babilen: +1
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• 1635[12:54:02] <babilen> There is nothing special about copying from/to block devices that would require dd/dcfldd or other tools. Those primarily come in handy if you want to express things like "copy 1024kb in 256kb blocks with an offset of ... from ...."
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• 1640[12:59:47] <crised> babilen: I see
• 1641[12:59:53] <bs0d> petn-randall as this page sais replaced-url
• 1642[13:00:19] <crised> Has anyone used ip-tunnel ipip, Does this works good? Is it simple to configure?
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• 1644[13:01:04] <bs0d> petn-randall in my understanding that's all what I need, a script in /etc/init.d, then I enable it, this should create some symlinks, but this step fails :(
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• 1646[13:01:43] <petn-randall> bs0d: The error message says something else, I'd assume the wiki is wrong. Have you looked at the man page yet?
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• 1651[13:02:58] <bs0d> petn-randall I cannot find the man page I need. I tried man init, but it shows me something else
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• 1653[13:03:41] <bs0d> petn_randall I have found it
• 1654[13:04:48] <petn-randall> bs0d: 'man update-rc.d' maybe? After all, it's the command you're trying to run.
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• 1656[13:05:05] <bs0d> the wiki was not wrong - man update-rc.d says update-rc.d [-n] name disable|enable [ S|2|3|4|5 ]
• 1657[13:05:15] <bs0d> so sudo update-rc.d nfd enable should work
• 1658[13:05:59] <bs0d> oh wow, I've run update-rc.d nfd defaluts first, it ran without any problem, then enable succeeded as well.
• 1659[13:06:13] <petn-randall> bs0d: I'd try 'update-rc.d nfd defaults', or 'update-rc.d nfd enable S2345'.
• 1660[13:06:19] <petn-randall> Yep, that's what I thought.
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• 1662[13:07:11] <bs0d> pern-randall thank you so much for guidance! Much appreciated. Will the script now run automatically when the system starts?
• 1663[13:08:21] <petn-randall> bs0d: Try it and see. Also, what OS release are you running? Seems like a bug that a plain 'update-rc.d nfd enable' doesn't work, since it's even documented in the man page in the lower paragraphs.
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• 1665[13:09:04] <bs0d> petn-randall I am running Debian 9 stretch (installed 2 weeks ago)
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• 1671[13:12:00] <UukGoblin> hi, how do I use bluetooth as a user on debian stretch? I have a USB adapter; bluetoothd is running, btusb module is loaded. Running `bluetootctl` as root shows one controller, but running it as a user (who was added to the bluetooth group manually) gives me a prompt showing "[bluetooth]# nnect to bluetoothd..."
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• 1673[13:12:33] <UukGoblin> also I'd like to see an icon in xfce4, I have bluez installed, and no icons yet (but that's possibly due to some other problem of the user not being able to connect to bluetoothd)
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• 1688[13:19:05] <Mikjaer> Is there an updated guide on how to install debian 9 onto a mirror raid? When im doing it "the way i've always done it", then the grub-installer fails.
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• 1698[13:23:06] <petn-randall> Mikjaer: Is UEFI involved?
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• 1708[13:31:01] <sine0> whats the best way to do a file compare of all files under 2 folders
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• 1714[13:31:19] <petn-randall> sine0: Text files or binary files?
• 1715[13:31:23] <sine0> text
• 1716[13:31:28] <sine0> or source code
• 1717[13:31:37] <petn-randall> sine0: diff -urN folder1/ folder2/
• 1718[13:31:41] <sine0> ta
• 1719[13:31:53] <petn-randall> yw
• 1720[13:32:26] <themill> tools like vimdiff or kdiff3 can be helpful too
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• 1723[13:33:53] <alkisg> `meld` is pretty nice too
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• 1725[13:34:36] <sine0> petn-randall: that command is that for individual files
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• 1727[13:35:18] <petn-randall> sine0: the -r is for recursive, so it should work on directories.
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• 1741[13:46:50] <phinxy> Hello, I am on a normal Debian stretch-backports (amd64). I compiled a list of all packages that came from backports and then, with xargs help they were downgraded to package/stable. Some packages like kernel-images and what not was left out. Does it ring any alarm bells for anyone?
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• 1744[13:48:20] <kopper> Alarmingly vague problem definition
• 1745[13:48:23] <petn-randall> phinxy: Alarm bells for what?
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• 1748[13:48:38] <petn-randall> phinxy: Try to describe your problem first.
• 1749[13:48:59] <bs0d> petn-randall the nfd script is not ran automatically on start. sudo service nfd status tells me its's stopped, I need to run sudo service nfd start manually to make it run. Is there any way I can automate it?
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• 1757[13:50:12] <themill> phinxy: the packages for the kernels have different names -- the kernel ABI is included in the package name
• 1758[13:50:38] <phinxy> The reason for the downgrade was to be able to compile a program. It went alright, It actually wanted just one package from backports (some drm-thing).
• 1759[13:51:23] <bs0d> Is it possible to send an output of a damon to /dev/null? It is so annoying, it appears in the middle of typing, and in the worst possible moments. I'd like to get rid of it
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• 1762[13:54:16] <phinxy> bs0d• To the command that starts it, add: 2>&1 >/dev/null
• 1763[13:54:33] <phinxy> redirects stderr to stdout and then stdout to null
• 1764[13:54:45] <bs0d> phinxy thanks :)
• 1765[13:54:51] <themill> bs0d: didn't we do this 2 hours ago?
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• 1767[13:55:34] <bs0d> themill since then I sort of made an init.d script out of it, it doesn't start automatically, and still produces ugly output
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• 1774[13:57:36] <phinxy> themill• what is the package for your current kernel named?
• 1775[13:58:02] <themill> phinxy: kernel packages are named linux-image-$(uname -r)
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• 1777[13:58:50] <petn-randall> bs0d: With init script you have no control over stdout if the daemon forks a process. For that you should use systemd which provides better isolation.
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• 1785[14:05:41] <tw> technically you can do the same thing in the initscript as systemd does; temporarily redirect stdin/out/err to another set of descriptors when starting the daemon.
• 1786[14:05:58] <tw> usually using a subshell.
• 1787[14:06:14] <crised1> Where can I see an example of how to make an ipip tunnel between two debian hosts?
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• 1793[14:08:24] <bs0d> petn-randall yes, indeed. Its output is so annoying, unbearable. I will try to create systemd script for it
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• 1797[14:10:39] <tw> ,v pulseview
• 1798[14:10:40] <judd> Package: pulseview on amd64 -- jessie: 0.2.0-1; buster: 0.4.0-2; sid: 0.4.0-2
• 1799[14:11:13] <tw> Skipped stretch?
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• 1806[14:14:55] <crised1> Any idea on how to install debian 9 on apu? Is it hard?
• 1807[14:15:01] <crised1> apu/ pc engines
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• 1813[14:19:34] <evilman_work> crised1: through debootstrap
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• 1825[14:23:54] <petn-randall> crised1: Fairly trivial, debootstrap worked for me.
• 1826[14:24:08] <petn-randall> crised1: The debootstrap method is documented in the release notes.
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• 1858[14:38:52] <tw> It's more work, but you can debootstrap just about anything that doesn't need special dtb overlays or boot-time fw.
• 1859[14:39:34] <valeech> I would like compile a debian kernel with 16KB kernel stack in order to troubleshoot an issue with zfs I am having. I have an environment setup that compiles the kernel successfully, but I am having a hard time finding which values I should modify in .config in order to set the stack size. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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• 1862[14:40:16] <petn-randall> valeech: Where did you get the info from that this might fix your issue?
• 1863[14:40:22] <crised1> petn-randall: thanks
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• 1868[14:42:01] <valeech> petn-randall: see Ben’s comment here replaced-url
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• 1872[14:42:48] <Lyberta> has anyone done live screen capture? I want to capture 2560x1440 video at 60 fps and looking for the fastest encoder, so far I only got h264 at "ultrafast" preset and it still consumes ~60% of all my cores
• 1873[14:43:36] <bs0d> interesting, this damon seems to spawn a sub-process that produces this ugly output. I tried running nfd-start 2>&1 > /dev/null & and I still get output into the console
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• 1876[14:43:51] <bs0d> can a damon be so nasty?
• 1877[14:43:53] <bs0d> daemon*
• 1878[14:44:03] <greycat> bs0d: replaced-url
• 1879[14:45:02] <bs0d> greycat oh, got it. Thanks
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• 1883[14:45:29] <bs0d> yay! Not it shut up
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• 1896[14:54:57] <tw> Lyberta: ffmpeg has gpu accelerated encoding if you have a GPU that can do it.
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• 1898[14:55:09] <Lyberta> tw, hmm
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• 1904[14:56:17] <tw> Lyberta: I'm a liar, said support starts in ffmpeg 3.3, and only 3.2 is in stretch.
• 1905[14:56:38] <tw> You'd have to backport from buster for the encode stuff.
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• 1908[14:57:02] <greycat> ,v ffmpeg
• 1909[14:57:03] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:3.4.2-1+b1; sid: 7:3.4.2-1+b1; experimental: 7:3.5~git20180113-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.6-dmo1+deb9u1;
• 1910[14:57:04] <judd> buster-multimedia: 10:3.4.2-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 10:3.4.2-dmo3
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• 1912[14:57:41] <greycat> looks like "stretch-multimedia" may be an option
• 1913[14:57:43] <tw> stretch-multimedia... did not know about that.
• 1914[14:57:59] <greycat> the bot doesn't know what it is either
• 1915[14:58:01] <Lyberta> tw, I'm actually on buster
• 1916[14:58:08] <tw> Lyberta: lucky!
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• 1920[15:00:25] <crised1> What's the equivalent of setting an interface ip address through ifconfig?
• 1921[15:00:55] <greycat> I think there's a noun missing there.
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• 1923[15:03:39] <crised1> What's the equivalent of `pointtopoint` from ifconfig in `ip`?
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• 1925[15:03:56] <Lyberta> tw, hm, can't find documentation how to enable it
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• 1930[15:05:11] <tw> Lyberta: for nvidia, it should be -c:v h264_cuvid
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• 1933[15:05:27] <tw> err, nvenc
• 1934[15:05:31] <tw> h264_nvenc
• 1935[15:05:57] <tw> I dunno what it is for an amd board.
• 1936[15:06:02] <Lyberta> tw, I have AMD
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• 1938[15:06:05] <Lyberta> ugh
• 1939[15:06:07] <Lyberta> well
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• 1955[15:11:35] <crised1> made a tun0 interface, and I can not even ping it, Which may be the possible reasons?
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• 1959[15:12:17] <crised1> tun0@NONE: <POINTOPOINT,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1480 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1 link/ipip 192.168.1.11 peer xxx...
• 1960[15:12:41] <tw> firewall, interface is down, no ip assigned, no routes, bad routes...
• 1961[15:12:42] <crised1> I do `ping -I tun0 192.168.1.11` and it doesn't respond?
• 1962[15:12:58] <tw> then your peer isn't routable.
• 1963[15:13:05] <tw> over tun0
• 1964[15:13:15] <crised1> tw: What is the peer? the other endpoint?
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• 1972[15:14:20] <tw> When you have a tunnel like that, you're creating a lower-level link between two IPs, these show up on the link/* line.
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• 1974[15:14:55] <tw> Then you need to add an IP to the interface on both sides that the two routers will use to talk to eachother over that tunnel.
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• 1978[15:15:29] <tw> Finally, you need to add other routes to both machines so they can route network data for other users on either side.
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• 1980[15:15:46] <tw> (and have ip forwarding, etc. enabled for that last bit.)
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• 2021[15:41:42] <jim> could someone help me discover how my laptop knows to connect to my home network? (it's not /etc/network/interfaces)
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• 2023[15:42:25] <jim> it's a wireless
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• 2026[15:42:58] <greycat> wicd something something ...?
• 2027[15:43:18] <n4dir> i would rather guess network-manager, as wicd is kinda seldom found.
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• 2029[15:44:02] <jim> that's what I was thinking... I wonder if I have two of those things (like wicd -and- network-manager) installed... let me unpack the laptop and bring it here
• 2030[15:44:03] <dimde> can I ask stuff about seting up a dualboot with windows and uefi?
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• 2032[15:44:36] <greycat> you can definitely ask
• 2033[15:45:22] <jim> as l0ong as the question itself doesn't read "stuff?" :)
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• 2037[15:46:54] <dimde> By default my machine now boots into windows. I managed to install some Ubuntu, but that doesn't boot by default. If I boot from windows into the live-system, I can run `efibootmgr -n 3` to make the next boot go into the ubuntu on the harddrive. But I can't seem to make that permanent. If I run `sudo efimgr -o $order_I_want` it runs without complaint, shows me the correct setting, but still boots into windows and on booting into the life-system
• 2038[15:46:54] <dimde> again, I see the old/wrong uefi-settings…
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• 2041[15:48:20] <greycat> where's the Debian part of the question?
• 2042[15:48:59] <lupulo> dimde, you could use refit or refind in a usb , while you learn...
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• 2046[15:50:44] <lupulo> dimde, you should backup the EFI partition, and try with os-prober and update-grub from debian
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• 2062[15:56:36] <crised> I configured an interface with ipv4 address, however I have ipv6 address also, is this normal?
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• 2066[15:59:26] <crised> Any updated resource on how to make an ipip tunnel over two debian instances?
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• 2071[16:03:24] <greycat> Yes, it's normal to have an ipv6 address.
• 2072[16:03:28] <dimde> lupulo what would you say about this suggestion? replaced-url
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• 2075[16:04:05] <greycat> Does that suggestion say "Install Debian"? If not, you're in the wrong channel. We don't support Ubuntu.
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• 2080[16:04:51] <dimde> greycat wouldn't it be the same problem with debian that also needs a configured uefi to dual-boot?
• 2081[16:05:04] <jim> hi, laptop set up now, running. I just discovered... nm is installed, and wicd is installed... let me explain the situation... yesterday I took the laptop out into another net, and I couldn't get it to connect or see nets, when it always connected fine at home (so at least you now know x and y of the xyproblem)
• 2082[16:05:09] <g0zzy> Unexpectedly, my samba share is also sharing its parent directory. How do i stop that?
• 2083[16:05:16] <greycat> dimde: no.
• 2084[16:05:22] <lupulo> dimde, refit always works
• 2085[16:05:54] <jim> it didn't connect at boot this time
• 2086[16:06:41] <lupulo> jim, you could see more with nmcli
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• 2088[16:07:10] <lupulo> jim, all you information is there.
• 2089[16:07:32] <lupulo> configured or not...
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• 2091[16:08:36] <jim> lupulo, ok, and, if I have both nm and wicd, don't those interfere with each other? and, configure a connection on one, the other wouldn't see it?
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• 2096[16:09:37] <g0zzy> I mean, is that even _meant_ to happen?
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• 2099[16:10:15] <jim> lupulo, howbout this: if I remove/purge wicd, will nm start showing nets?
• 2100[16:10:21] <n4dir> jim yes. You use either wicd or network-manager, not both (and you also don't mix one of them with the interfaces file).
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• 2106[16:11:24] <greycat> Lots of people mix /e/n/i for static interfaces with n-m for dynamic interfaces.
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• 2110[16:11:52] <jim> n4dir, yeah, a bunch of stuff involving wlan0 was commented out in /etc/network/interfaces, yesterday I backed up that file and then got rid of the comments in the original
• 2111[16:12:12] <n4dir> greycat: then i stand corrected.
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• 2113[16:12:37] <jim> greycat, the laptop only has wlan0 and lo
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• 2116[16:13:52] <jim> as it happens I do want the IP to be static at home but I'm not under control of that elsewhere, so I configured the dhcp server on my gateway to hand me the address I want for the laptop
• 2117[16:14:15] <greycat> sounds good so far
• 2118[16:14:31] <jim> can I safely remove wicd and its parts (I guess there's some kind of daemon)
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• 2120[16:14:36] <jim> ?
• 2121[16:14:50] <lupulo> jim, nmcli [tab -> Show the options]
• 2122[16:15:07] <lupulo> jim pidof wicd | xargs kill -9
• 2123[16:15:16] <lupulo> or kill -15
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• 2125[16:15:54] <lupulo> jim, nmcli configures all.
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• 2127[16:16:40] <mahafyi> after upgrading to testing, i now have to install some particular package from stable only, along with its dependencies. been reading on apt pinning. I find the examples on debian wiki dealing with pulling from testing while running stable. Is it possible to do the opposite and pull from stable instead?
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• 2129[16:17:06] <jim> pidofwicd is blank (missed a space)
• 2130[16:17:07] <greycat> Never pin. Ever. Just add stable sources, apt-get update, apt-get install pkg-that-is-only-in-stable
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• 2132[16:17:51] <greycat> And tell us what page says you can mix stable and testing so we can burn it with fire.
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• 2134[16:18:46] * jim tries burning it with water...
• 2135[16:18:47] <mahafyi> greycat : lol. ok. I was reading replaced-url
• 2136[16:18:50] <jim> hmm, wet
• 2137[16:19:03] <n4dir> !hold
• 2138[16:19:03] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
• 2139[16:19:11] <greycat> well, it already has the <!> and boldface ...
• 2140[16:19:13] <n4dir> is probably more comfortable.
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• 2142[16:19:45] <n4dir> besides what was said already bout mixing stable with testing.
• 2143[16:19:47] <greycat> Does it need to be even more bold? Is the warning not strong enough? I don't know the wiki markup for "reach through the internet and punch the user in the face".
• 2144[16:20:16] <greycat> I'll see what I can do...
• 2145[16:20:32] <lupulo> jim because wicd is out, you could try wicd in another console...
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• 2147[16:20:53] <n4dir> to not mix stable with testing or sid or whatever was pretty much the very first thing i learned about debian
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• 2150[16:22:01] <mahafyi> thanks. i guess i will work more on backports then.
• 2151[16:22:23] <jim> wicd says: "it looks like the daemon is running already"... is there a tui for wicd?
• 2152[16:22:41] <lupulo> jim you have a file in /var/run of wicd
• 2153[16:22:43] <n4dir> mahafyi: what works on backports?
• 2154[16:23:02] <n4dir> (ah, my fault, i misunderstood. sorry).
• 2155[16:23:06] <lupulo> jim, you should find it and delete it.
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• 2157[16:23:23] <lupulo> jim, this file has the pidof wicd
• 2158[16:23:27] <jhutchins> One of the problems with Open Source Software is that the public documentation isn't organized or controlled by anyone, so there are often very old, obsolete docs that tell you how to do things you should never do with current softwarea.
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• 2161[16:23:49] <jhutchins> Pinning in the context of mixing releases is one of those things.
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• 2164[16:24:44] <mahafyi> n4dir : i installed linux-image-amd64 . the reason i upgraded to testing ws due a a Debian Gnome freezing problem, that went away, i just could not resolve it in stable on some dell and acer desktops. but even with a backport kernel 4.14something, the issue happens.
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• 2167[16:25:09] <jim> ok, removed. then, when I run wicd again, it silently exits, running it again I get the above message
• 2168[16:26:20] <OtakuSenpai> is the buster release a lil bit faster than stretch?
• 2169[16:26:24] <mahafyi> but now everything is good, except that i cannot install the package salt-common since a dependency python-tornado is too high a version, so the saltstack minion does not install either.
• 2170[16:27:23] <mahafyi> or i guess i can get in very deep, scary deep lol, and try to make a deb pkg that wil install salt-minion. though i have no idea how.
• 2171[16:27:54] <greycat> jhutchins: replaced-url
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• 2173[16:28:33] <n4dir> i am on my way out, but i am quite sure that back then old kernels weren't removed in case an upgrade happened. So you could just choose the elder kernel from grub.
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• 2175[16:28:46] <greycat> old kernels are still not removed
• 2176[16:28:52] <n4dir> thanks
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• 2178[16:29:10] <antoine__> Hello, I am trying to install an addon that requires Firefox >55. Am I supposed to add the testing repo if I want to download that version of firefox?
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• 2182[16:30:25] <n4dir> greycat: "reach through the internet and punch the user in the face" is probably not ready yet?
• 2183[16:30:26] <annadane> antoine__, no; see replaced-url
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• 2185[16:30:37] <annadane> you can get newer firefoxes while still using stable
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• 2187[16:30:44] <annadane> sorry, invalid link
• 2188[16:30:48] <greycat> n4dir: maybe in MoinMoin 2.x
• 2189[16:30:57] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2190[16:31:04] <antoine__> anadine No problem, thanks
• 2191[16:31:20] <annadane> it's not recommended to mix stable with other releases
• 2192[16:31:26] <n4dir> antoine__: to be more clear. Never ever mix stable with testing. It was just said, hence my joke
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• 2195[16:32:24] <antoine__> n4dir: Oh I thought you were talking to greycat ^^.
• 2196[16:32:58] <antoine__> n4dir: What if I want to install a package that is only available in testing? I remember I had problems with keepassxc
• 2197[16:33:13] <greycat> Backport it, or compile upstream source.
• 2198[16:33:38] <antoine__> greycat: Ok let me check what backport means :).
• 2199[16:33:43] <greycat> !backports
• 2200[16:33:43] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 2202[16:33:52] <antoine__> Handy!
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• 2205[16:34:34] <antoine__> Ok I guess backporting is easier since I'll get updates.
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• 2207[16:34:57] <greycat> Using an existing backport is easiest, and you *might* get updates, but there is no guarantee of that.
• 2208[16:35:05] <annadane> ,v keepassxc
• 2209[16:35:06] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- buster: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1
• 2210[16:35:11] <annadane> unfortunately, not already in backports
• 2211[16:35:30] <annadane> but keepass2 and keepassx and keepassxc are virtually identical in functionality, as far as i know
• 2212[16:35:37] <annadane> keepass2 and keepassx *are* in stable
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• 2214[16:36:27] <antoine__> Yes.
• 2215[16:36:39] <antoine__> Ok I'll read about firefox and come back to keepass later.
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• 2218[16:37:52] <antoine__> annadane: Oh so I have to do it outside of apt then?
• 2219[16:38:02] <annadane> antoine__, for what, firefox?
• 2220[16:38:05] <antoine__> To install another version of firefox
• 2221[16:38:05] <antoine__> sorry
• 2222[16:38:08] <annadane> yes
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• 2225[16:38:37] <greycat> if you want firefox quantum on stable, just get it from mozilla.com and not from a .deb
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• 2227[16:38:52] <annadane> ^
• 2228[16:39:22] <antoine__> I thought it wasn't a good idea to install something outside of apt.
• 2229[16:39:40] <annadane> you're not technically installing it as such
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• 2232[16:40:10] <annadane> but replaced-url
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• 2235[16:41:05] <antoine__> greycat: Well that was easy. It works well :).
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• 2238[16:41:22] <n4dir> if you regularly seem to need versions not to be found in stable , then either debian might not be the right distribution or your approach is wrong.
• 2239[16:41:36] <annadane> well, firefox is unfortunately a bit of an anomaly
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• 2241[16:41:37] <greycat> Installing things that are NOT packaged is generally safer than installing third-party packages, because non-packaged things typically won't drag in dependencies and muck around with things that should not be touched. There are exceptions, of course.
• 2242[16:42:01] <petn-randall> firefox LTS does the job.
• 2243[16:42:19] <antoine__> Now for keepassxc. I should have come here first I guess. What I did is I activated buster, installed keepassxc then deactivated buster. You said this wasn't a good idea?
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• 2245[16:42:24] <annadane> until half your extensions don't work
• 2246[16:42:33] <greycat> antoine__: Very Bad
• 2247[16:42:33] <n4dir> annadane: if you meant me. Sure. I meant "regularly". I should have made it more clear.
• 2248[16:42:43] <annadane> yeah, remove keepassxc and any other packages it dragged in
• 2249[16:42:47] <antoine__> annadane: That's exactly why I wanted a newer version.
• 2250[16:42:52] <annadane> n4dir, yeah, i know. just being pedantic for no reason
• 2251[16:43:02] <n4dir> that's the spirit.
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• 2254[16:43:15] <greycat> ,depends keepassxc --release buster
• 2255[16:43:17] <judd> Package keepassxc in buster/amd64 -- depends: libargon2-0 (>= 0~20160406~), libc6 (>= 2.14), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2), libgcrypt20 (>= 1.8.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.9.0~beta), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.7.0), libqt5network5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.6.0~beta), libqt5x11extras5 (>= 5.6.0), libsodium23 (>= 1.0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libx11-6, libxi6, libxtst6, libykpers-1-1 (>=
• 2256[16:43:18] <judd> 1.12.0), libzxcvbn0 (>= 0.20150103), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
• 2257[16:43:20] <antoine__> greycat: I guess it might have pulled dependancies from buster that won't be updated in stable or something? Can I just replace them?
• 2258[16:43:25] <antoine__> Yeah all that :(.
• 2259[16:43:27] <greycat> jeeeesus, you're screwed
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• 2261[16:44:10] <antoine__> Can I manually remove them then get them from stable?
• 2262[16:44:36] <jhutchins> !partial downgrade
• 2263[16:44:36] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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• 2265[16:44:47] <jim> ok, nmcli device show, GENERAL.STATE is 20 (unavailable)
• 2266[16:45:11] <greycat> "apt-get install keepassxc" "this will bring in 523 new packages and use 1.2 GB of space, you sure?" "YES"
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• 2268[16:45:25] <annadane> alternatively, back up your files, reinstall
• 2269[16:45:26] <greycat> why would you say yes :(
• 2270[16:45:30] <annadane> if that's not too much work
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• 2273[16:46:56] <antoine__> greycat: There wasn't this many dependencies pulled. There was a few though.
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• 2278[16:47:45] <antoine__> Ok I'll try this partial downgrade thing
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• 2281[16:48:17] <Danielon> Hi
• 2282[16:48:22] <lupulo> jim, nmcli con show
• 2283[16:48:39] <Danielon> Anywhone familiarized with U-Boot
• 2284[16:48:40] <lupulo> jim, try not touch the device
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• 2286[16:48:57] <Danielon> I'am in trouble with them
• 2287[16:49:19] <Danielon> To make go to single user mode
• 2288[16:49:43] <Danielon> For fsck
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• 2290[16:50:18] <jim> nmcli connection show shows two connections
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• 2292[16:50:34] <greycat> If *all* you want to do is manually fsck your Debian root file system, your best bet is usually to boot from whatever you used to install with, and get a shell from that.
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• 2295[16:51:14] <Danielon> Is a small machine called Edison which i access from serial
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• 2297[16:51:30] <Danielon> Which hace a flash drive
• 2298[16:51:47] <greycat> which part of this question is the Debian part?
• 2299[16:51:48] <Danielon> When boot y stop them with Esc
• 2300[16:52:10] <Danielon> Is a Ubilinux debian based
• 2301[16:52:16] <greycat> !ubilinux
• 2302[16:52:21] <greycat> !based on debian
• 2303[16:52:21] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 2304[16:52:46] <Danielon> I don't know if i'am outside of the toppic
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• 2306[16:52:51] <Danielon> Sorry for them
• 2307[16:53:14] <HKitain> Danielon, i know a few things about u-boot, you should come to #u-boot
• 2308[16:53:24] <Danielon> thank's
• 2309[16:53:33] <Danielon> That's what i looking fot
• 2310[16:53:37] <Danielon> for
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• 2312[16:54:13] <greycat> There's a #jubilinux channel that says "for intel edison" but it only has 1 user.
• 2313[16:54:45] <annadane> time to make friends.
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• 2327[17:04:15] <dimde> greycat, lupulo OK… given up on ubuntu and trying debian now ;-).
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• 2330[17:06:07] <mahafyi> is there any recommendation to add new repos in apt/sources.list.d/myrepo rather than in the sources.list file itself? I do not see the reason to do so really
• 2331[17:06:13] <dimde> `sudo cp debian-9.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb` and `sudo sync` was correct, right (assuming sdb is correct)?
• 2332[17:06:19] <jim> maybe it's not as pretty but it works better
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• 2344[17:10:35] <jim> you might want to use dd instead of cp
• 2345[17:11:29] <jim> in that case you'd do something like: dd if=debian-9.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb
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• 2349[17:11:50] <petn-randall> jim: cp is better because it picks the block size automatically.
• 2350[17:11:58] <jim> and you might want to set buffer sizes too, so it would become:
• 2351[17:12:01] <petn-randall> jim: It's also the recommended method if you check the release notes.
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• 2353[17:12:38] <jim> doesn't it try to copy the file to a filesystem?
• 2354[17:12:47] <petn-randall> ... no.
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• 2356[17:12:59] <dimde> cp seemed to work just fine.
• 2357[17:13:04] <jim> ok, then it is better
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• 2360[17:13:27] <jim> at your leisure, try to boot from the usb
• 2361[17:13:41] <dimde> y… works.
• 2362[17:14:02] <bites> mahafyi: there is no practical difference. do as you please.
• 2363[17:14:21] <mahafyi> bites : ok ty
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• 2386[17:26:35] <HKitain> i noticed that the java performance on non-x86 platforms on Debian has been abysmal for me
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• 2390[17:27:44] <HKitain> is this something to do with java being sluggish in general, or are there some x86-specific optimizations involved?
• 2391[17:28:10] <HKitain> (or, worst of all, i'm UNIQUELY unlucky with using Java on MIPS of all things)
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• 2401[17:30:38] <incal> what command do you use to normalize audio in say a couple of 320K mp3s?
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• 2406[17:32:30] <dimde> incal ffmpeg or avconv
• 2407[17:32:32] <jim> my wireless card works (as ev9idenced by the fact it has connected before, and I can currently get it to do an iwlist scan), and, come to find out some firmware files failed to load... searching for those files in debian packages was fruitless, the files are: iwlwifi07265D-{23,24,25,26}.ucode. Should I locate those files, where would they go?
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• 2410[17:33:39] <jim> err, the files are iwlwifi-7265D-{23,24,25,26}.ucode
• 2411[17:34:49] <dfstorm> I always just installed the "iwlwifi" package and then "profit". what is your network card ?
• 2412[17:34:56] <greycat> !listkeys iwl
• 2413[17:34:57] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'iwl' by key (12): iwl3945 ;; iwlegacy ;; iwl4965 ;; iwlist ;; iwlwifi ;; iwl7000 ;; iwl6250 ;; iwl5100 ;; iwlwifi etch #del# ;; iwl7260 ;; iwl3160 ;; iwlagn.
• 2414[17:35:09] <greycat> !iwl7260
• 2415[17:35:10] <dpkg> The Intel Dual Band Wireless AC (802.11ac, a/b/g/n compatible) 7000 series (e.g. 7260: PCI ID 8086:08b1, 3160: PCI ID 8086:08b3) is supported by <iwlwifi> since Linux 3.10. Firmware is required and packaged for Debian since firmware-iwlwifi 0.39. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-iwlwifi from <wheezy-backports>. See also <btusb>.
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• 2417[17:36:30] <jim> it's not that the card doesn't work, it does... I was thinking if I could get those files it might get things working better somehow
• 2418[17:37:10] <dimde> greycat, lupulo same problem with debian though… still boots into windows instead of grub.
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• 2421[17:37:37] <greycat> Boot into Debian however you need to, make sure os-prober is installed, and run update-grub.
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• 2426[17:38:39] <dimde> hm… how? booting into the stick shouldn't suffice and I’d need to boot into the installation, right?
• 2427[17:39:25] <greycat> !chroot
• 2428[17:39:25] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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• 2430[17:40:44] <dimde> debian-9.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso doesn't include a live-system, right?
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• 2432[17:41:57] <dimde> can I use its "rescue mode" to obtain a shell and go from there?
• 2433[17:42:15] <greycat> From the installer, Alt-F2 gets you to a shell, like the bot said.
• 2434[17:42:33] <greycat> It's extremely bare, but should be enough for this.
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• 2436[17:43:04] <dimde> alt-f2 doesn't give me a shell
• 2437[17:43:24] <greycat> Are you in the installer?
• 2438[17:43:27] <dimde> yes
• 2439[17:43:48] <greycat> ... the TEXT installer. IF you're in some kind of GUI, try Ctrl-Alt-F2.
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• 2442[17:43:59] <dimde> Debian GNU/Linux Installer menu
• 2443[17:44:05] <dimde> tried that
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• 2445[17:44:40] <dimde> offers me "c: grub command line" probably now what I want, right?
• 2446[17:45:27] <greycat> ... maybe you are still in GRUB and haven't actually started the installer yet?
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• 2448[17:46:11] <dimde> looks similar to this replaced-url
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• 2451[17:46:48] <greycat> you haven't selected "Install" yet, so you haven't started the Installer yet.
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• 2454[17:47:18] <dimde> ah… that worked.
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• 2456[17:48:02] <dimde> meh… I can't change the language setting in that mini-shell, right?
• 2457[17:48:33] <greycat> I have no idea whether locales are available there.
• 2458[17:48:38] <netcat> hm, interesting... what shell does that give you? not bash i assume?
• 2459[17:48:56] <dimde> well… I guess I can make it work by guessing the keys.
• 2460[17:48:57] <greycat> most likely either dash or busybox sh
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• 2462[17:49:08] <greycat> "keys"?!
• 2463[17:49:23] <dimde> like where the '-' is…
• 2464[17:49:30] <greycat> one of the first things the installer does is prompt you for language and keyboard. did you not let it do those?
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• 2466[17:49:53] <dimde> no… just entered and got a shell as told ;-).
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• 2468[17:50:53] <dimde> so how do I find out about "whatever" and "target"? and I think I formated the installation to ext4 instead of ext2 as suggested…
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• 2475[17:53:29] <mahafyi> I am using grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 to password protect grub2 to control edit access in bootloader options. The resulting string / hash i get is different for each time i run it though i may use same password. Is it possible to automatically make i=entries in grub.d/00_header - that is non interactively automate the grub2 passsword protection on multiple desktops.
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• 2480[17:56:44] <dimde> sais mounting of /dev/sda4 failed because there's no such device. but that was what it autocompleted…
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• 2487[17:59:49] <mahafyi> when we install with apt-get / aptitude, is there a way to say skip a particular dependency? i would like to install one from source,
• 2488[18:00:16] <greycat> You can build your own local pseudo-package with equivs, which provides the thing you want to say that you already have.
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• 2491[18:01:00] <mahafyi> greycat : excellent then, all i have to do is find out what that is all about now :)
• 2492[18:01:14] <greycat> There's an example in the equivs documentation for building a pkg that "Provides: mail-transport-agent" for instance.
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• 2500[18:04:08] <mahafyi> greycat : can you pl share the equivs doc page example? evrything i get says obsolete
• 2501[18:05:06] <thedog3catch3r> On Debian testing, since a recent package upgrade, I am frequently having system hangs within Gnome almost every time I switch from keyboard to mouse. This is a laptop with hybrid graphics (i.e. integrated internal + discrete AMD Radeon). Here's dmesg when it happens: replaced-url
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• 2503[18:05:16] <thedog3catch3r> By system hang, I mean the display freezes. It usually recovers after a few seconds, but one time it didn't.
• 2504[18:05:19] <thedog3catch3r> and all input is ignored during the hang
• 2505[18:05:21] <thedog3catch3r> Any temporary workarounds? It's impossible to get any work done with this.
• 2506[18:05:27] <greycat> mahafyi: apt install equivs; cd /usr/share/doc/equivs; less READ*; ls examples
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• 2511[18:08:00] <annadane> thedog3catch3r, testing questions should go in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 2512[18:08:05] <mahafyi> greycat : ty
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• 2528[18:13:26] <mahafyi> greycat : it looks like equivs is what i have been searching for as i seem to have no better option as far as i have learned.
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• 2531[18:13:54] <greycat> well, it exists to serve this purpose
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• 2540[18:19:01] <jim> I'm trying ip l set wlan0 up, I get "RTNETLINK answers: operation not possible due to rfkill"
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• 2547[18:21:25] <sine0> If i create key pair for ssh no password, can I create that on any linux box and then copy the relevant files over
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• 2549[18:22:03] <greycat> You *SHOULD* create the key pair on the client where it will actually be used, so that the private key never gets transported.
• 2550[18:22:13] <greycat> The public key can be copied however you like.
• 2551[18:22:18] <sine0> its ok im on a window smachine I have read about puttyGen
• 2552[18:22:26] <sine0> I was going to use a vm
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• 2554[18:22:34] <dondelelcaro> if you're really concerned, you might even consider putting the private key on a device which routinely handles private keys
• 2555[18:22:44] <dondelelcaro> (like a yubikey or similar)
• 2556[18:23:18] <mahafyi> i am using sone gnome lockdown settings with dconf. disable-save-to-disk is not at all what i thought it will be, not having read the thing first. i want to prevent users in a particular group from saving files to local drive. I make their home directories read only, but then gnome login fails.
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• 2570[18:31:22] <jim> why would rfkill have my wireless card unavailable?
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• 2572[18:31:57] <mahafyi> perhaps it is a setting in nautilus
• 2573[18:33:08] <sine0> greycat: dondelelcaro : thanks folks
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• 2582[18:37:20] <DrWatson> Good evening
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• 2585[18:38:23] <jim> hi
• 2586[18:38:25] <DrWatson> is someone using 'wine staging' and bumblebee ?
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• 2590[18:38:52] <dondelelcaro> jim: I think I've only seen that when firmware wasn't loaded
• 2591[18:39:08] <DrWatson> seems i messed up nvidia stuff to play Blizzard games :/
• 2592[18:39:11] <dondelelcaro> jim: but I'd check dmesg; that might be more informative
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• 2594[18:40:27] <jim> dondelelcaro, ok, thanks; I'll give that a shot... do you have any interest in looking at the dmesg listing?
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• 2598[18:41:22] <dondelelcaro> jim: sure, if you want; it should be pretty obvious though if it's the firmware
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• 2600[18:43:07] <jim> ok... should that be happening if the card is otherwise working? (it's connected before; I just removed the wicd packages, because those and also nm were present)
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• 2603[18:46:18] <jim> let's see if I can get the card to iwlist scan (should be able to)
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• 2607[18:48:02] <jim> yep, I can get it to scan... let's pause, gotta run an errand
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• 2616[18:51:41] <DammitJim> and there is jim
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• 2618[18:52:31] <dondelelcaro> jim: hrm; yeah, if you can get it to scan, then it's probably working just fine, and the firmware isn't the issue
• 2619[18:53:08] <jim> DammitJim, where?? where??
• 2620[18:53:18] <DammitJim> lol
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• 2632[18:56:48] <jim> dondelelcaro, before I leave for $errand, I;ll say that I tried nmcli conn up asus (<-- the connection name) and got: "Error: connection activation failed: no suitable device found for this connection" but there's one right there! (tried with ip l set up and ip l set down)
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• 2636[18:57:10] <jim> ok, pausing... back in awhile. thanks so far
• 2637[18:58:02] <dondelelcaro> jim: hrm; does nmcli; at least show that device?
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• 2646[19:02:16] <jim> dondelelcaro, yes, with GENERAL.STATE being 20 (unavailable)
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• 2650[19:03:11] <jim> ok, really gone now :)
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• 2671[19:12:22] <magyar> hi, how can I disable auto-updates of packages in testing?
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• 2673[19:12:58] <annadane> magyar, dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
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• 2677[19:13:43] <annadane> however i had an issue in sid - not sure if it was fixed - where doing this also stopped the mirror automatically refreshing itself, i had to apt update manually
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• 2679[19:14:26] <greycat> I've got 2 stretch workstations with KDE installed and my solution on those was to remove the packagekit package.
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• 2681[19:15:10] <greycat> Now I can log in to them and use apt-get any time I want.
• 2682[19:15:12] <magyar> greycat: yes, I have kde
• 2683[19:15:20] <annadane> maybe. i was an idiot and didn't take notes on how it was fixed
• 2684[19:15:36] <greycat> There may be other solutions. This was just the one that I found.
• 2685[19:15:37] <annadane> it's not like it's a gigantic issue, just remember to apt update when you want to upgrade packages
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• 2687[19:15:56] <greycat> if it's not a "gigantic issue" then maybe you are seeing different symptoms than I did
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• 2689[19:16:16] <greycat> my symptom was "I can't run apt-get commands after ssh-ing in, because some crap is locked"
• 2690[19:16:26] <annadane> well, i never tried ssh
• 2691[19:16:43] <greycat> they're 1 building over and 8 floors down
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• 2709[19:25:23] <user_> hello
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• 2711[19:27:17] <annadane> user_, hello
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• 2713[19:27:58] <user_> I'm having an issue with debian stretch installed on LUKS-encryptrd disk. In fact, it was working fine and I powered off the computer. After that I can't boot any more.
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• 2759[19:55:28] <johnfg> hi folks
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• 2762[19:56:16] <johnfg> when I connect to this debian stretch machine via a vnc viewer, it crashes, almost every time, after a while.
• 2763[19:56:25] <johnfg> I'm using x11vnc for my server.
• 2764[19:56:39] <jelly> the machine crashes or vnc crashes?
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• 2767[19:57:56] <johnfg> jelly: Good point...vnc, i.e. on the client.
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• 2770[19:58:34] * greycat misunderstood that entire question, then
• 2771[19:58:39] <johnfg> But only with the debian stretch machine; doesn't happen, e.g., on debian jessie (main server), or on windoze.
• 2772[19:59:30] <johnfg> So, the session is ended, and I am able to reconnect, but it doesn't last too long.
• 2773[19:59:35] <Azathoth> what if you launch your vnc client via the terminal? do you get any error messages after it crashes?
• 2774[19:59:50] <jelly> what does x11vnc say at that time?
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• 2776[20:00:15] <johnfg> does x11vnc write to any log?
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• 2778[20:01:12] <Brigo> you could check the logs too, maybe some segfault there
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• 2786[20:04:12] <johnfg> I don't see anything in Xorg.0.log, or dmesg.
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• 2789[20:05:16] <johnfg> I guess this is it, in syslog: *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/x11vnc terminated
• 2790[20:05:24] <johnfg> No idea what it means though.
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• 2794[20:05:52] <greycat> are you doing anything non-default, like SELinux, or running testing, or a testing kernel, or apparmor, or ...?
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• 2801[20:07:04] <greycat> or, google gives me this: replaced-url
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• 2803[20:07:30] <greycat> which, if true, points to a bug in x11vnc
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• 2808[20:10:27] <johnfg> greycat: I googled the error, and it's definitely a debian bug Debian Bug report logs - #859213
• 2809[20:10:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2813[20:11:00] <johnfg> And doesn't appear to be fixed (although someone did the patching themselves).
• 2814[20:12:02] <johnfg> I run x11vnc on the jessie server, and like on the page for this bug, have not had any, or don't have any problems.
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• 2819[20:13:24] <johnfg> Is there any sense in adding to those reporting this bug?
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• 2821[20:13:34] <greycat> only if you believe you have new information to add
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• 2823[20:13:45] <johnfg> greycat: Nope, nothing new.
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• 2826[20:14:57] <johnfg> At least I know it's a bug, and not something misconfigured.
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• 2880[20:37:56] <jim> dondelelcaro, if you're still available, I got the dmesg listing: replaced-url
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• 2887[20:41:15] <jim> dondelelcaro, I guess the question now, is why can't n-m see my wlan0 as "suitable", is it because its GENERAL.STATE is 20 (unavailable)?
• 2888[20:41:57] <jim> maybe too, why is wlan0 unavailable in the first place?
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• 2947[21:05:01] <anonnumberanon> Hi I have this Debian install to play with, no risk of damaging the OS. Trying to get the W530 nvidia laptop to use several external monitors. What should I do? When i plug in a Ubuntu live CD the screens get detected and used automatically but with this Debian I have to set it up myself.
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• 2951[21:06:07] <jim> with the same thing showing up on all the monitors?
• 2952[21:06:53] <anonnumberanon> jim, yes
• 2953[21:07:08] <anonnumberanon> jim, well no
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• 2955[21:07:30] <Azathoth> xrandr or if oyu want a GUI: arandr
• 2956[21:07:34] <jim> you'll have to explain that :)
• 2957[21:07:41] <anonnumberanon> jim, iirc when i tried Ubuntu it showed the same thing, but my goal is to extend my desktop to more screens
• 2958[21:07:43] <anonnumberanon> lol
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• 2961[21:08:06] <anonnumberanon> out of the box Debian does not detect any monitors external
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• 2964[21:08:42] <jim> so first off you'd need a separate output for each monitor, so they would each get a different video signal
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• 2967[21:09:55] * anonnumberanon downloads more separate outputs
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• 2970[21:10:40] <Azathoth> my external monitors worked fine on a standard debian stretch installation, when inserting my laptop into its dock
• 2971[21:10:54] <Azathoth> and I use arandr to configure their placement/resolution
• 2972[21:10:58] <jim> how many outputs do you have on the video card? and, how many monitors?
• 2973[21:11:05] <greycat> Start by identifying the graphics chipset. lspci -nn | grep -i vga
• 2974[21:11:23] <anonnumberanon> Azathoth, i can try arandr yes
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• 2976[21:12:04] <anonnumberanon> jim, i have a vga output and a mini display port on the laptop, want to use the laptop screen and 1 external monitor
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• 2978[21:13:42] <jim> so you want two different displays on each of two monitors (the laptop screen and an external monitor)?
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• 2983[21:15:01] <jim> I dunno if you can get that, but maybe. depends on what video card and what's being presented to the outputs
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• 2987[21:16:53] <jim> you say it worked fine before (under certain conditions)? what do you have now that's different than a standard debian stretch installation?
• 2988[21:17:13] <greycat> Start by identifying the graphics chipset. lspci -nn | grep -i vga
• 2989[21:17:18] <picknick> ^
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• 2995[21:20:35] <anonnumberanon> man... ARANDR shows the vga output on my laptop, but it is greyed out..
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• 2997[21:21:00] <jim> another good thing you can do to help the conversation, is when you're off doing something else (getting water, playing with a command, talking on another channel), let us know... note that we're focusing on the conversation... if you did that too, we wouldn't feel we couldn't take a nature break because you might reply at any time
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• 2999[21:21:49] <anonnumberanon> jim, it never worked before, but I tried a Ubuntu live CD and the external monitor started displaying stuff, I don't remember if it was a mirror or an extension of the laptop's display, I should try it again and come back maybe?
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• 3001[21:22:40] <anonnumberanon> jim, im pretty much at my desk for a couple hours and focusing only on this right now
• 3002[21:22:42] <jim> but you say it worked on a debian stretch install?
• 3003[21:22:44] <anonnumberanon> not going anywhere
• 3004[21:22:52] <anonnumberanon> jim, no i didn't say that
• 3005[21:22:53] <picknick> googled the laptop it, got nvidia optimus. :p try installing the nvidia drivers
• 3006[21:22:58] <anonnumberanon> it never worked on Debian
• 3007[21:23:02] <anonnumberanon> on this laptop
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• 3010[21:23:12] <greycat> He said like 3 times that it DOES NOT work on stretch, but MAYBE worked on ubuntu, he's not sure.
• 3011[21:23:33] <anonnumberanon> picknick, first time i did that 6 months ago i bricked Debian so I'm trying to go slower this time and not necessarily use the same resources I used before online
• 3012[21:24:29] <jim> ok, I'm confused... oh, I see, I got confused by someone else'
• 3013[21:24:35] <anonnumberanon> heh
• 3014[21:24:38] <jim> s comment that it did work
• 3015[21:25:01] <anonnumberanon> okay now just for peace of mind I'll check if i can extend the desktop onto an external monitor, using a Ubuntu live CD
• 3016[21:25:15] <anonnumberanon> I'll be back in 10 minutes once I checked.
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• 3018[21:25:41] <greycat> If it DOES work on ubuntu, find out which driver it's using.
• 3019[21:25:57] <greycat> If it doesn't, then eh, we're still back to waiting on lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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• 3042[21:40:48] <picknick> in the past releases of debian, if you installed the nvidia drivers you could end up booting to a black screen if you didn't configure xorg for it. Helping people who came into this chat to get their nvidia drivers working was a huge PITA.
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• 3045[21:41:50] <anonnumberanon> Okay burned the live Ubuntu, trying it now.,
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• 3050[21:43:43] <anonnumberanon> Okay, without doing anything from open box I get interesting behavior with Ubuntu.
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• 3054[21:45:12] <anonnumberanon> The desktop on the laptop screen extends to the external monitors. I can move a window from the laptop screen to the external monitor. Therefore this is not mirrored, although, I am getting the same menu on the external than on the laptop screen, and here I am talking about the usual Ubuntu menu on the left size. Now gonna try to see if I can remove that menu from the external screen.
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• 3063[21:51:11] <anonnumberanon> Okay so I was able to remove the menu/launcher from the external display, making it a true extended monitor. So this laptop can do this for sure!
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• 3071[21:53:21] <anonnumberanon> jim, greycat , mind holding my hand a bit more? ^_^
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• 3073[21:54:38] <anonnumberanon> greycat, that command shows I have 2 VGA compatible controller, one for the Intel graphics card and the other for the Nvidia video card.
• 3074[21:54:52] <greycat> Paste it here.
• 3075[21:55:06] <anonnumberanon> damn it's on my other laptop
• 3076[21:55:20] <greycat> you can't ssh into it?
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• 3078[21:55:45] <Azathoth> or use telnet to connect to irc from there :)
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• 3087[21:58:19] <anonnumberanon> greycat, replaced-url
• 3088[21:58:51] <greycat> you really just hate me, don't you
• 3089[21:59:06] * greycat observes that curl does not give me the friggin TEXT
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• 3091[21:59:13] * greycat launches fuckin w3m
• 3092[21:59:24] <greycat> ... fuckin w3m doesn't wrap the text
• 3093[21:59:30] <Azathoth> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)
• 3094[21:59:34] <Azathoth> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M] [10de:0ffb] (rev a1)
• 3095[21:59:38] <Azathoth> there you go
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• 3098[22:00:09] <greycat> ,pciid 10de:0ffb
• 3099[22:00:11] <judd> [10de:0ffb] is 'GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 3100[22:00:14] <picknick> jesus christ, it really is optimus
• 3101[22:00:15] <anonnumberanon> so I'm still in Ubuntu and can look up things about drivers. Let me try some sort of package manager if they have it available on this live cd
• 3102[22:00:41] <greycat> anonnumberanon: no, just go straight to the Xorg.0.log file and see what driver it's using
• 3103[22:00:49] <anonnumberanon> picknick, is that good, bad, or somewhat interesting, glorious maybe?
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• 3107[22:01:40] <anonnumberanon> nice, locate is not working
• 3108[22:01:43] <anonnumberanon> can't find that file
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• 3110[22:01:47] <anonnumberanon> gonna have to google
• 3111[22:02:01] <greycat> /var/log/Xorg* or ~/... fuck it, try /var/log first
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• 3116[22:03:08] <anonnumberanon> ok the file does not have many lines but I'll paste them anyway..
• 3117[22:03:13] <greycat> but again, this only matters if the Ubuntu system is doing what you actually want
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• 3119[22:03:27] <anonnumberanon> greycat, it is, this is exactly what I want
• 3120[22:03:36] <greycat> pasting 2 lines here is OK, and desirable. pasting an entire Xorg.0.log here is NOT acceptable, because they are huge
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• 3122[22:03:44] <picknick> anonnumberanon: replaced-url
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• 3124[22:04:05] <anonnumberanon> picknick, quagmire solution that bricked my OS
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• 3127[22:04:32] <picknick> :(
• 3128[22:04:42] <anonnumberanon> here is Xorg.0.log : replaced-url
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• 3131[22:06:00] <greycat> Looks like it's using both nouveau and intel.
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• 3134[22:07:57] <anonnumberanon> I'm still reading line 314 out of ~1000
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• 3136[22:08:37] <greycat> anyway, you should start with replaced-url
• 3137[22:08:47] <greycat> but having that known-to-work Xorg.0.log as a reference might be helpful
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• 3142[22:10:30] <anonnumberanon> yes
• 3143[22:10:36] <anonnumberanon> well I'll try this route again
• 3144[22:10:44] <anonnumberanon> hopefully I do better this time
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• 3151[22:13:16] <rtmataeu34> hi
• 3152[22:13:49] <picknick> hello
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• 3155[22:15:17] <anonnumberanon> greycat, from that file, can you determine if the Ubuntu uses bumblebee and primus, or the proprietary bumblebee-nvidia and primus?
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• 3157[22:16:00] <anonnumberanon> well it says nouveau in the file so probably not the proprietary nvidia software
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• 3161[22:16:43] <greycat> proprietary driver would not say nouveau
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• 3165[22:18:11] <anonnumberanon> okay, gonna make the jump with the non-proprietary driver now
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• 3177[22:26:26] <sprawl00> Hi
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• 3184[22:34:40] <anonnumberanon> The bumblebeed and primus did nothing. There is a common issue that I see on that website, I'll try to do that to resolve it.
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• 3186[22:35:03] <anonnumberanon> (the first one of the few "common issues")
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• 3211[22:44:14] <anonnumberanon> That did not work
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• 3227[22:50:53] <clunix> tyruu
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• 3246[23:00:37] <Babiz> Hi folks, I'm on Linux M51Se 4.9.82++m51se #6 SMP PREEMPT custom kernel, works awesome, booting under 10seconds!
• 3247[23:00:45] <Babiz> Enjoy Debian OS
• 3248[23:01:13] <sine0> what is a standard file explorer for command line like midnightcommander
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• 3252[23:02:27] <sine0> i heard ranger
• 3253[23:02:46] <DrWatson> anonnumberanon: henrik@debian:~$ lspci | egrep -i "3D|vga|video"
• 3254[23:02:48] <DrWatson> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 591b (rev 04)
• 3255[23:02:50] <DrWatson> 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mobile] (rev a1)
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• 3257[23:03:06] <DrWatson> i use debian sid and bumblebeed is working fine hgere
• 3258[23:03:10] <DrWatson> -g
• 3259[23:04:08] <anonnumberanon> DrWatson, I don't know what to do after I installed Bumblebee feelsbadman :(
• 3260[23:04:08] <DrWatson> command line if you wanna play games: vblank_mode=0 PRIMUS_SYNC=0 primusrun wine64 *yourgame*
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• 3262[23:05:11] <DrWatson> to 'switch over' to the nvidia/amd card you always have to use the primusrun command
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• 3264[23:06:04] <DrWatson> and always in front of the command. example: ~$ primusrun *applicationname*
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• 3269[23:06:28] <anonnumberanon> but what about just displaying my desktop on several monitors?
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• 3271[23:07:31] <DrWatson> ?
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• 3274[23:08:10] <anonnumberanon> when I try to use primusrun for an application I get "primus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
• 3275[23:08:38] <jim> sine0, howbout midnite commander? or did you want a different one?
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• 3277[23:09:19] <sine0> I found ranger, it works
• 3278[23:09:29] <sine0> jim: ta
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• 3280[23:10:03] <DrWatson> post output
• 3281[23:11:02] <DrWatson> i have 2 screens and no problem at all (1x notebook 1x lcd)
• 3282[23:11:22] <jim> for posting output: you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
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• 3284[23:11:31] <DrWatson> you can enable/disable then via gnome3...super easy
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• 3295[23:18:38] <anonnumberanon> jim, you forget to say where the output ends up
• 3296[23:18:49] <anonnumberanon> termbin.com also forgets
• 3297[23:19:51] <jim> anonnumberanon, nc should return a link
• 3298[23:20:24] <anonnumberanon> DrWatson, good idea, I should install Gnome to see if it takes care of my screens. Right now using Xfce. However somehow on my desktop computer with Xfce it can use several monitors, but there is only one video card.
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• 3301[23:20:33] <anonnumberanon> jim, it doesn't
• 3302[23:21:07] <jim> anonnumberanon, try this: echo hi | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 3306[23:22:29] <jim> anonnumberanon, that give you a link?
• 3307[23:22:48] <anonnumberanon> yes jim that one gives me a link
• 3308[23:22:57] <DrWatson> anonnumberanon: does your computer 'see' both cards ? i posted the lspci command earlier
• 3309[23:23:28] <jim> ok, what did you try that did not produce a link?
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• 3314[23:24:46] <anonnumberanon> ok hang on cat is walking on keyboard and girlfriend is calling
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• 3316[23:26:03] <jim> good thing that's not reversed :)
• 3317[23:26:54] <jim> you'd have a broken keyboard and a cat that knows your phone number :)
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• 3322[23:30:08] <anonnumberanon> ok back
• 3323[23:30:42] <anonnumberanon> yes DrWatson lspci gives me the Intel card and the Nvidia card.
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• 3331[23:32:48] <anonnumberanon> jim, when I do "optirun glxgears | nc termbin.com 9999"
• 3332[23:33:13] <anonnumberanon> that's when I don't see the output of nc to tell me the http link
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• 3335[23:33:42] <solrize> Hi I'm on stretch and tried to rebuild parted (apt-get source parted; cd parted-3.2; ./configure; make). i had to install a lot of dependencies to get configure to work, and then the make fails because aclocal-1.14 is not found. It specifically looks for 1.14 even though the current automake package has 1.15 so i have aclocal-1.15 installed. trying to run automake hits version mismatch. i can keep messing with it and trying to fix stuff but tho
• 3336[23:33:42] <solrize> ught i'd ask here if this was a known issue and had a simple fix
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• 3339[23:34:29] <solrize> running aclocal warns of a bunch of undefined macros
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• 3343[23:35:24] <solrize> then automake errors after running aclocal because of missing defs in configure.ac
• 3344[23:36:52] <anonnumberanon> Now going to try a live Debian Xfce USB drive to see if it can use my video card like Ubuntu.
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• 3346[23:37:41] <dfstorm> maybe not the right place.. but it only happen for my on debian (regular archlinux user): I have a host with a virtualbox guest (all debian stable). After installing guest additions, I tried to add my user to "vboxfs".. but when i try to add a user to it, it complain: "group vbboxfs does not exist". But when I try to create the group, it complain : "group vboxfs already exists".. what ? haha
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• 3351[23:38:32] <dfstorm> vboxfs*
• 3352[23:39:00] <petn-randall> dfstorm: typo
• 3353[23:39:12] <petn-randall> dfstorm: vbboxfs != vboxfs
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• 3355[23:39:53] <dfstorm> yep I made a typo here. but no typo on the guest.
• 3356[23:39:56] <dfstorm> sorry
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• 3360[23:41:26] <dfstorm> but still... I never encounter that on linux : Can't add user to group because group don't exist... but when trying to create the group: can't because the group already exist... all from root.
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• 3366[23:44:14] <petn-randall> dfstorm: Can you prepare a paste from all commands + output involved? It's best if you copy it directly from the console.
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• 3368[23:44:29] <petn-randall> dfstorm: If you can't copy/paste directly, this might help:
• 3369[23:44:31] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
• 3370[23:44:31] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 3382[23:54:28] <dfstorm> petn-randall: thks. Rebooted the guest. Installed pastebinit. Now the command "usermod -aG vboxsf replaced-url
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