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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
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1 [00:00:11] <Brigo> akaWolf, np
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3 [00:00:16] <jack__> is anyone around?
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5 [00:00:22] <annadane> jack__, lots of people
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11 [00:01:24] <jack__> Does anyone know a reliable method of testing the maximum ammount of network traffic a server can handle
12 [00:01:31] <jack__> I want to test how much my server can handle
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18 [00:03:52] <jack__> Does anyone know a reliable method of testing the maximum ammount of network traffic a server can handle, I want to test how much my server can handle
19 [00:04:08] <jack__> basically a denial of service attack
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25 [00:06:09] <jack__> is anyone in here
26 [00:06:29] <annadane> jack__, you'll have to wait longer than 2 minutes to get an answer
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29 [00:06:59] <jack__> Can you answer my question
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31 [00:07:11] <annadane> no, because i don't know the answer
32 [00:07:15] <jack__> okay
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35 [00:07:36] <jack__> There is just a bunch of joining and leaving messages and no one will see my message if I don't post it
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37 [00:07:55] <annadane> not everyone has joins/parts enabled
38 [00:08:03] <jack__> how do you disable it
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40 [00:08:10] <annadane> what irc client do you have?
41 [00:08:15] <jack__> hexchat
42 [00:08:31] <annadane> settings > preferences > general > hide join and part messages
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44 [00:08:56] <jack__> oh i thought it was a / command
45 [00:08:59] <jack__> well thanks
46 [00:09:10] <jack__> Why do you use IRC?
47 [00:09:47] <annadane> ...um, to talk to people?
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50 [00:10:06] <jack__> Yeah but who to
51 [00:10:18] <annadane> that's kind of irrelevant for a support channel
52 [00:10:32] <jack__> I didn't realise this was a support channel
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58 [00:11:02] <hypn0> currently a newbie? I think :-)
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60 [00:11:15] <jack__> I've never used IRC
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63 [00:11:28] <jack__> I always thought it was a thing of the past
64 [00:11:38] <jack__> I thought no one used it anymore
65 [00:11:50] <annadane> well, this channel has 1500 people in it, if you can see the sidebar
66 [00:11:57] <annadane> lots of people use irc..............
67 [00:12:00] <jack__> Are they online though
68 [00:12:03] <annadane> sigh.
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70 [00:12:41] <jack__> I don't know how IRC works, I thought you would have gotten that message when I said I've never used IRC
71 [00:12:58] <jack__> I just assumed that was a list of all existing members
72 [00:13:31] <jack__> how tf are there 1500 online people in here but no one fucking talks
73 [00:13:35] <annadane> yeah, fair enough. yeah, they're online
74 [00:13:54] <annadane> a lot of people lurk, and general best practice is not to answer a question if you don't know the answer
75 [00:14:00] <jack__> Are they just talking to eachother but still logged in on this server
76 [00:14:12] <hypn0> replaced-url
77 [00:14:16] <jack__> I asked if anyone was here and only you responded
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79 [00:14:28] <annadane> it doesn't make me the only person here
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81 [00:14:47] <jack__> Yeah but you'd think more than 1/1500 people would say something
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83 [00:15:08] <annadane> so anyway, wait a little while and have some patience when asking a question, though now that it's scrolled off screen you may want to ask it again, but unless your server is to do with debian i'd ask in another channel
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85 [00:15:26] <annadane> maybe ##networking
86 [00:15:31] <jack__> okay thanks
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88 [00:15:44] <jack__> I just thought I could ask on the default server
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112 [00:33:46] <lmw> Hi. I'm running Debian 9 with MATE now. I'm still setting up everything I need and/or would need for my daily use, it's more a office computer. Except GIMP, what painting program can you recommend me?
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114 [00:34:11] <tw3k> GIMP
115 [00:34:11] <annadane> hmm, krita?
116 [00:34:23] <lmw> tw3k: Read my question again please.
117 [00:34:43] <lmw> annadane: Krita? Never heard, I will take a look at it.
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119 [00:35:17] <bitess> inkscape for vector graphics.
120 [00:35:22] <tw3k> lmw: GIMP
121 [00:35:36] <tw3k> lmw: i likes the inkscape too
122 [00:35:49] <tw3k> haven't heard of krita
123 [00:36:00] <lmw> tw3k: Any why GIMP? I find it complicated to use and overbloated.
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125 [00:36:21] <tw3k> lmw: awesome photoshop 4 clone
126 [00:36:21] <hypn0> replaced-url
127 [00:36:40] <lmw> tw3k: I wouldn't call GIMP a Photoshop "clone" ...
128 [00:36:57] * tw3k installing Krita
129 [00:37:12] <lmw> hypn0: Thanks, will take a look at it.
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131 [00:37:34] <tw3k> lmw: yeah but if ya grew up with photoshop you'd know what you're doing with the GIMP
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134 [00:38:18] <tw3k> lmw: try blender if you think GIMP is tricky, lol :)
135 [00:38:29] <lmw> tw3k: I know Blender.
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137 [00:39:09] <lmw> But besides that, Photoshop is more overbloated :P
138 [00:39:38] <tw3k> been a long time since i've used it but it was awesome with a wacom
139 [00:40:04] <lmw> What do you use it now?
140 [00:40:10] <lmw> *What do you use now?
141 [00:40:35] <lmw> Let me guess .. GIMP?
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143 [00:40:47] <tw3k> yeah, Krita look cool tho
144 [00:41:08] <lmw> I will give Krita a try.
145 [00:41:11] <tw3k> i haven't done much graphics work lately
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193 [01:08:47] <drakonis> is it normal for keepassxc to set itself as the default for every file type on install?
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195 [01:10:11] <annadane> ,v keepassxc
196 [01:10:13] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- buster: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.1+dfsg.1-1
197 [01:10:33] <Tom_-> doesn't sound like it but i don't know
198 [01:10:38] <annadane> is this stable? in any event, depending on your de/wm you can generally change associations
199 [01:10:53] <drakonis> should be testing/unstable
200 [01:11:05] <drakonis> the package is the same for both right now
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203 [01:11:39] <annadane> yeah, #debian is generally for stable questions, hence the confusion
204 [01:11:40] <drakonis> i'm on kde and every file type has keepassxc associated, boy this is annoying
205 [01:11:45] <drakonis> ah right
206 [01:11:53] <drakonis> where do i take this to? OFTC?
207 [01:12:04] <annadane> yeah, typically #debian-next on oftc
208 [01:12:11] <annadane> but i'm not sure it's a buster/sid thing
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212 [01:14:21] <drakonis> then there's libvirt creating an "libvirt qemu" user with an uid high enough to not be hidden from the login screen
213 [01:14:36] <drakonis> also issues with libvirt cpu specs
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215 [01:15:12] <drakonis> well i'll take those there
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291 [02:08:10] <xvistaman> hello is there any way to do a full audit on all installed packages to check for missing deps
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365 [02:21:03] <mynickislol> hi how do i reinitialize my homefolder
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426 [02:37:05] <lll3N1GmAlll__> how do i resize my terminal window to full screen in my bash script? i am currently using resize -s 30 60; but i now need it to expand to full screen
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431 [02:39:08] <eodchop> does anyone know of a google drive app for 9.4 running the kde desktop?
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443 [02:45:12] <sebboh`> hi all. I'm having trouble with virt-install. It says could not access KVM monitor: Permission denied. My user is in the libvirt group and the libvirt-qemu group. /dev/kvm is owned by root:kvm.. which seems a little off. Should the group on the kvm device be libvirt instead?
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502 [03:17:42] <sebboh`> Disregard my question, I'm out.
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506 [03:21:52] <heavypetting> where are the feminists?
507 [03:21:58] <heavypetting> i want to sexually harass them
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509 [03:22:59] <Sir_Designer> !ops | sexual predator on channel. call fbi.
510 [03:22:59] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: sir_designer complains about a problem (see above)
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513 [03:24:17] <heavypetting> hi dax
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516 [03:24:23] <heavypetting> are you stalking me?
517 [03:24:30] <heavypetting> yet somehow refuse to speak to me?
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523 [03:24:55] <heavypetting> i have no beef with you. all i want to do is find the feminists and PM them some explicit messages
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532 [03:26:55] <smrtz> Hey guys! I just installed Debian and I'm having trouble setting the horizontal scroll direction on my mouse, it's inverted. I can't figure out the xbindkeys syntax...
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704 [05:40:38] <theguyfromthebus> re
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706 [05:41:02] <theguyfromthebus> I'm having a problem with running OpenVPN
707 [05:41:22] <theguyfromthebus> sudo systemctl enable openvpn.*
708 [05:41:22] <theguyfromthebus> Failed to enable unit: File openvpn.\x2a.service: No such file or directory
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711 [05:42:48] <theguyfromthebus> I don't know what x2a.service is or why its looking for it
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714 [05:44:16] <mateothegreat> sudo systemctl enable openvpn@<yourconfig>
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722 [05:49:16] <theguyfromthebus> mateothegreat I did that. But still can't see if openvpn is running
723 [05:49:23] <theguyfromthebus> sudo systemctl status openvpn* didn't show anything
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725 [05:51:19] <mateothegreat> [root@cpe-decaro-centos-01 yomateod]# systemctl status openvpn@platform
726 [05:51:19] <mateothegreat> ● openvpn@platform.service - OpenVPN Robust And Highly Flexible Tunneling Application On platform
727 [05:51:19] <mateothegreat> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/openvpn@replaced-ip )
728 [05:51:19] <mateothegreat> Active: inactive (dead)
729 [05:51:19] <mateothegreat> [root@cpe-decaro-centos-01 yomateod]#
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733 [05:51:32] <mateothegreat> damn
734 [05:51:39] <mateothegreat> I'm not on slack -=x
735 [05:52:14] <mateothegreat> I imagine debian is expanding that asterisk
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743 [05:59:52] <joelz> #flood
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747 [06:00:47] <theguyfromthebus> mateothegreat thank you. I got it working.
748 [06:01:56] * mateothegreat bows
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754 [06:06:40] <earl_> 因为我长得帅就拉黑我？
755 [06:06:50] <earl_> 我换个ＩＰ不就行了
756 [06:06:55] <earl_> 代理那么多
757 [06:07:06] <earl_> 开了１０多台ss
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761 [06:08:53] <earl_> ｓｏｒｒｙ
762 [06:09:04] <Sveta> japanese? or chinese?
763 [06:09:08] <earl_> send error group
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766 [06:09:42] <earl_> chinese
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791 [06:29:29] <quint> netstat doesn't seem to be picking up on a listening port
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794 [06:29:46] <quint> I ran netstat -lpn4
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797 [06:30:13] <quint> and it doesn't return a port which I'm able to connect to from another host
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800 [06:30:49] <quint> apache is set to listen on [::]:80, but that shouldn't mean it uses ipv4, right?
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803 [06:32:24] <rant> try it without pants :P
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806 [06:33:27] <rant> o.O -a doesnt even seem to be in the manual
807 [06:33:43] <rant> netstat -pant is one I used many times
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811 [06:35:35] <quint> this is the weirdest thing.. I can see it with -lpn6, but not -lpn4, yet I can connect to it using ipv4..
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815 [06:36:08] <quint> How does this happen? Is netstat not telling me something?
816 [06:36:42] <rant> well technically the [::] suggests ipv6 to me.. cause ipv4 uses . not :
817 [06:36:55] <rant> but I see your point if you connect to it using an ipv4 address
818 [06:37:18] <Dagger> v6 sockets listening on :: can accept v4 connections if net.ipv6.bindv6only is left at its default value of 0
819 [06:37:36] * rant attempts to mentally note this
820 [06:37:42] <quint> Interesting.
821 [06:37:48] <quint> I did not know that.
822 [06:38:02] <rant> me either but I know almost nothing about ipv6
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825 [06:39:16] <quint> Thanks Dagger
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844 [06:53:17] <iodev> theguyfromthebus: I think I can help you with openvpn if you still got trouble
845 [06:53:32] <iodev> you see in debian you're support to use /etc/default/openvpn and not systemctl
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847 [06:53:50] <iodev> setting AUTOSTART="all" is what you want, theguyfromthebus
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849 [06:55:24] <rant> systemctl enable is enabling the service unit that would read that config file in the first place
850 [06:55:41] <iodev> rant: I think it's enabled by default
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852 [06:55:57] <rant> probably is.. are you saying the autostart is not?
853 [06:56:11] <iodev> rant: no, it's all commented out
854 [06:56:39] <iodev> nevermind, I got confused
855 [06:56:44] <rant> ah, well thanks for the info.. I was just pointing out you were comparing apples to oranges :P
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869 [07:13:47] <hexnewbie> In Debian, how does one prevent schroot sessions from being mounted at boot?
870 [07:14:19] <rant> schroot sessions being mounted? they're not "mounted"
871 [07:14:47] <hexnewbie> I think my meaning is clear, I'm not going to crawl the man page for verbs :)
872 [07:15:02] <hexnewbie> Er, nouns, since mount is the correct verb here
873 [07:15:04] <rant> not really because a chroot only takes place when you run the command
874 [07:15:23] <rant> and its not involving a mount, but a changing of the root of the VFS for that process
875 [07:15:24] <hexnewbie> Run which command?
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878 [07:15:48] <rant> whichever command you're running..
879 [07:16:15] <hexnewbie> Well, I ran ‘schroot ... mplayer’ yesterday. It did involve mounting. And it remounted it at reboot
880 [07:16:44] <rant> what would make you think it involved mounting and that it remounted?
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885 [07:18:06] <hexnewbie> mount | grep schroot | grep proc → proc on /var/lib/schroot/mount/stretch-[long-uuid-goes-here]/proc type proc (rw,relatime)
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887 [07:19:14] <hexnewbie> Ah, I found it. In /etc/default/schroot I need to use START_ACTION="end" and STOP_ACTION="end"
888 [07:19:53] <hexnewbie> Let me reboot to get my sound working again :)
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891 [07:20:45] <rant> good luck
892 [07:21:53] <hexnewbie> Yay. That did it. Now I have audio *and* working input method, without schroot messing with them.
893 [07:23:55] <rant> hmm.. I havent used schroot in a long time but I never had anything like that happen
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905 [07:33:51] <hexnewbie> rant: Yeah. And it's strange, because while it does mount these directories when I run mplayer with schroot, it unmounts them when I close it. So it's not normal even as far as I'm concerned. I wonder what I did yesterday that could have triggered it to mount at boot...
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907 [07:34:50] <rant> no clue I wasnt aware any chroots even with schroot mounted anything on its own
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910 [07:35:08] <rant> I always had to manually bind any dirs I needed
911 [07:35:32] <rant> but again my knowledge is probably 5 years or more old so.. idk maybe something has changed
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913 [07:36:08] <hexnewbie> Yeah, now it has an fstab where I add my bind mounts :)
914 [07:36:22] <hexnewbie> E.g. /etc/schroot/desktop/fstab
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984 [08:13:14] <CrabMan> Hi. I have a completely broken package which I can't even dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq, because that fails too. Is it a good idea to find a way to modify dpkg database and make it forget that the package is installed?
985 [08:14:02] <rant> CrabMan: it'd probably be a bad idea to answer that without you explaining a bit more
986 [08:14:50] <rant> for one thing if you got a horribly broken package you may have issues beyond that package alone
987 [08:15:39] <hexnewbie> And what's the whole dpkg --remove output?
988 [08:16:22] <rant> CrabMan: if you're worried about tellin us you did something dumb like installed an ubuntu ppa or something, we're pretty much already assuming that :P
989 [08:16:29] <CrabMan> I have gir1.2-ibus-1.0:amd64 and gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386 installed but unconfigured (synaptics shows them as installed, apt install -f tries to fix them but fails). If I try to do dpkg --remove (--force-remove-reinstreq or not, doesn't matter), it fails with the following:
990 [08:16:29] <CrabMan> dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs a valid package name but 'gir1.2-ibus-1.0' is not: ambiguous package name 'gir1.2-ibus-1.0' with more than one installed instance
991 [08:16:45] <CrabMan> rant: not this time I didn't
992 [08:17:02] <rant> ah so this is a multiarch issue then?
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995 [08:17:27] <CrabMan> I guess. I wanted to install i386 version of the library to compile something, and now here I am
996 [08:17:35] <alkisg> Try including the arch in the dpkg command, gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386
997 [08:17:47] <rant> CrabMan: well that error tells you what the problem is, the package name is ambiguous, you gotta specify the arch
998 [08:18:07] <CrabMan> Oh but I do specify - sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386
999 [08:18:30] <hexnewbie> CrabMan: Also, there's no mention of broken package here. Did one of the other ‘dpkg --remove ’ variants you tried give a different error message?
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1002 [08:19:44] <rant> CrabMan: try a wildcard maybe? if you dont need it at all or it wont remove a buncha stuff
1003 [08:20:11] <hexnewbie> Sounds it could be an issue with the package though, given Debian bug #770265
1004 [08:20:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1005 [08:20:19] <CrabMan> Huh? `dpkg --remove` with or withour `--force-remove-reinstreq` give the same error, as does `apt remove`. here's the full output: replaced-url
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1007 [08:20:45] <rant> hexnewbie++
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1010 [08:21:32] <CrabMan> rant: what's a wildcard?
1011 [08:21:53] <rant> CrabMan: like an asterisk.. i.e. dpkg -l lib* will show all libs installed
1012 [08:22:04] <rant> not sure why its not selecting the right package
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1014 [08:22:46] <hexnewbie> CrabMan: The bug report linked above suggests ‘A workaround is to hack the postinst by hand.’; I've done that with packages that refused to get removed due to bizarre errors, so I was going to suggest it too
1015 [08:24:02] <alkisg> rant, it's possible that the error is not from dpkg, but from the package postinst itself calling dpkg-query...
1016 [08:25:23] <CrabMan> /var/lib/dpkg/info/gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386.prerm has the following line:
1017 [08:25:23] <CrabMan> dpkg -L gir1.2-ibus-1.0 | perl -ne 's,/([^/]*)\.py$,/__pycache__/\1.*, or next; unlink $_ or die $! foreach glob($_)'
1018 [08:25:23] <CrabMan> I believe that's what is causing it
1019 [08:25:24] <dpkg> No packages found matching gir1.2-ibus-1.0 | perl -ne 's,/([^/]*)\.py$,/__pycache__/\1.*, or next; unlink $_ or die $! foreach glob($_)'
1020 [08:25:43] <hexnewbie> From what I gather, the postinst has a call to py3compile (to generate the Python cached bytecode - oh so important), which lacks the architecture (:i386 or :amd64) qualifier, thereby breaking when two architectures are installed
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1022 [08:26:05] <alkisg> It's trying to removed python compiled files... yeah, putting the arch THERE would help
1023 [08:26:08] <rant> CrabMan: put exit 0 at the top of that script :P
1024 [08:26:22] <hexnewbie> So CrabMan just has to hack the two postinst files and add an architecture (:i386 and :amd64) on the call to py3compile
1025 [08:26:32] <rant> na the prerm is prob not one you wanna just exit out of :P
1026 [08:26:32] <alkisg> dpkg -L gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386 | perl - ....
1027 [08:26:33] <dpkg> ii gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386 | perl - .... 2.8-15.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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1029 [08:27:13] <CrabMan> actually both fail - py3clean and the line I showed
1030 [08:27:46] <hexnewbie> CrabMan: Yeah, I guess the workaround in the bug is for successful installation, and it doesn't cover removal
1031 [08:28:18] <CrabMan> Ok, I added :i386 to the py3clean call and to the other line, and now the package has been removed. Fully or not I don't really know and I don't really care. Thanks
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1033 [08:29:13] <rant> what I wonder is, why this hasnt been fixed in like 8 months since it was reported
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1036 [08:30:53] <CrabMan> Should I report the bug with "important" severity or something more?
1037 [08:31:16] <rant> its already been reported you'd only need to add to it
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1041 [08:31:43] <CrabMan> Ok, I guess the problem with installation and with removal can be unified under one bug
1042 [08:31:55] <rant> oh right.. the other was about install..
1043 [08:32:07] <rant> but yeah its a packaging issue
1044 [08:32:41] <rant> as for the severity you can call it anything you want.. the maintainer will change it if they feel it needs to be reclassified
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1046 [08:33:08] <rant> the guidelines on the severity levels are on the website bugs.debian.org
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1072 [08:45:45] <CrabMan> Hmm, I guess I can find a whole lot of packages that will be broken this way if I do `grep -r py3clean /var/lib/dpkg/info/` - there are many packages that try to do `py3clean -p packagename` without specifying arch
1073 [08:46:53] <CrabMan> hmm, but only a few of them have :amd64 or :i386 in their filenames, so maybe only those might break
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1146 [09:29:45] <goldkatze> Hi
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1151 [09:36:40] <rant> goldkatze: you need help with something?
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1160 [09:41:43] <goldkatze> I'm using a 250GB ext4 partition dedicated to /home; it's pretty full. lost+found is empty, fsck and smartd are happy. Now, for some reason, free space keeps disappearing. du -sh * .*|sort -h doesnt show anything revelatory, yet while it's mounted, free space is being eaten up. Sometimes, a remount will release several gigabytes of it. Now, I deleted 10GB, wrote 6GB, deleted the same 6GB, and am left with 4GB free. That's nuts.
1161 [09:42:51] <goldkatze> There are not sparse files or extreme amounts of tiny files involved, either. Think source code, pictures, movies, music. The usual.
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1163 [09:42:58] <alkisg> goldkatze: note that if an application is using a file, and you delete it, the free space will show up only when the application closes that file
1164 [09:43:00] <goldkatze> Any suggestion on what might be happening here?
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1169 [09:43:39] <goldkatze> alkisg: Good call, though I'm positive the file handles are closed.
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1171 [09:44:00] <alkisg> If you google for it, you can find a command that searches for these files; deleted with open file handles
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1174 [09:45:04] <goldkatze> alkisg: I just rebooted (to disable TXT for KVM). They cannot be open any more.
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1176 [09:45:30] <alkisg> Sure; and you still see free space issues right after reboot?
1177 [09:46:08] <alkisg> Btw, how are you deleting? Is Trash involved?
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1179 [09:46:30] <alkisg> baobab or mate-disk-usage-analyzer can help a lot in pinpointing free space issues
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1181 [09:46:58] <goldkatze> alkisg: No trash, just rm -r the folder
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1195 [09:56:32] <zero89> hello, what is the risk of changing the character encoding, I use UTF8 right now but the system can not read certain foreign characters
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1197 [09:56:53] <petn-randall> zero89: which characters don't work?
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1199 [09:57:08] <zero89> almost any foreign character
1200 [09:57:27] <petn-randall> zero89: And where do they come from? From a file?
1201 [09:57:35] <petn-randall> email?
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1203 [09:58:23] <zero89> yes, for example unziping files that have foreign chars in the filenames, debian can not process them afterward
1204 [09:58:26] <goldkatze> zero89: Change it where? Do you mean an editor (which?), when viewing the content of a file, do you mean your email client (which?) when sending? or when receiving? do your mean your browser (which?)? or do you mean your filesystem?
1205 [09:58:47] <goldkatze> zero89: aptitude install detox
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1207 [09:59:08] <zero89> <goldkatze> what is that and what are the risks of installing that?
1208 [10:00:07] <alkisg> zero89: you don't want to change the utf8 system encoding. You only need to tell unzip to handle the chars better while unzipping.
1209 [10:00:14] <goldkatze> zero89: Do like this: mkdir temp; mv crapnames.zip temp; cd temp; unzip crapnames.zip; detox -r .
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1212 [10:00:52] <alkisg> zero89: here's an example bug report, with workarounds, about p7zip problems with encodings: replaced-url
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1214 [10:01:00] <goldkatze> zero89: This will transliterate strange characters to more workable, safer filenames. Risk is, well, you dont have the original characters any more. You shouldn't use any data that way, though.
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1216 [10:01:18] <zero89> <alkisg> I can not replace the character, I need to preserve the filenames or my scripts will be broken
1217 [10:01:22] <alkisg> There are similar workarounds for 7zip, unzip and a lot others
1218 [10:01:35] <alkisg> zero89: I'm not proposing that you replace anything :)
1219 [10:01:45] <skandix> morning
1220 [10:01:47] <skandix> .gm
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1222 [10:02:25] <alkisg> zero89: for example, I need to run unzip like this, to properly uncompress greek filenames: "export UNZIP="-O cp737"; unzip file.zip"
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1224 [10:02:47] <zero89> <alkisg> so could you please tell me how I can ask unzip or unrar to process the filenames correctly?
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1226 [10:03:07] <zero89> alkisg> thanks
1227 [10:03:15] <alkisg> zero89: tell us your existing command, if you need more help
1228 [10:03:21] <zero89> I hope there's something similar for unrar
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1231 [10:03:44] <goldkatze> zero89: If you must preserve the characters, there's a command line tool, which is common and found in Debian, and you provide it with input charset, output charset, and it will transcode teh filename for you. I cannot for the life of me remember the name right now though...something like conv or recode or very generic like that.
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1234 [10:04:01] <alkisg> iconv; it doesn't help in this case
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1238 [10:04:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
1239 [10:04:39] <goldkatze> alkisg: iconv, right. Why wouldnt it help? You unzip, say, iso filenames, and then you iconv iso to utf?
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1242 [10:05:03] <alkisg> goldkatze: many tools need a parameter otherwise they output the filenames already broken on stdout
1243 [10:05:09] <alkisg> So iconv can't help in already broken filenames
1244 [10:05:16] <zero89> case 'zip':
1245 [10:05:16] <zero89> if(class_exists('ZipArchive')){
1246 [10:05:16] <zero89> $files = array();
1247 [10:05:16] <zero89> $za = new ZipArchive();
1248 [10:05:16] <zero89> $res = $za->open($filename);
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1251 [10:05:32] <goldkatze> alkisg: stdout wont matter for iconv, fs entry matters?
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1254 [10:05:59] <alkisg> goldkatze: no, iconv processes stdin in this case, e.g.: unzip -l file.zip | iconv -f cp737
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1257 [10:06:11] <zero89> alkisg> replaced-url
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1259 [10:06:23] <alkisg> This gets the list of the names, feeds it into iconv stdin, and then the program supposedly gets the right list
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1261 [10:07:01] <alkisg> zero89: I don't know what classes/libraries this code is using
1262 [10:08:17] <goldkatze> alkisg: Can always use a find . -exec run
1263 [10:08:41] <alkisg> goldkatze: `find` on already broken names can't really help anywhere...
1264 [10:09:02] <alkisg> Most tools support a parameter; why do you oppose in just passing a parameter?
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1267 [10:10:25] <goldkatze> alkisg: I dont oppose. I just wonder: if a buggy archiver writes cp737 to the fs, why cant I 'find', 'iconv' and 'mv' them, they're not broken per se, they're just in the wrong encoding, hu?
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1269 [10:10:45] <goldkatze> alkisg: Fixed that free space issue btw, thanks for helping out there.
1270 [10:11:22] <goldkatze> alkisg: Well. I might just not be awake yet, no need to discuss an issue nobody has right now.
1271 [10:11:55] <zero89> alkisg> replaced-url
1272 [10:12:07] <alkisg> goldkatze: (yw for the space) ah, due to endoding limitations, they don't even write cp737, they end up writing broken filenames with ?? in them
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1274 [10:12:26] <zero89> and for unrar I use this replaced-url
1275 [10:12:27] <goldkatze> alkisg: Aaah, I see then.
1276 [10:12:48] <alkisg> zero89: right, I don't know the workarounds for this particular library, it probably allows you to define the filename encoding somewhere, otherwise you can just use another format with unicode names
1277 [10:13:11] <zero89> alkisg> what do you mean?
1278 [10:13:13] <alkisg> (if you and your users can create your own archives, instead of just trying to uncompress ansi-ones from windows)
1279 [10:13:27] <alkisg> For example, .7z doesn't have that issue because the file list there is already unicode
1280 [10:13:35] <alkisg> Or, .zip version 6 and above doesn't have that issue either
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1284 [10:13:58] <zero89> alkisg> sadly there isn't a good class for 7zip in php
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1287 [10:14:18] <zero89> and my script is supposed to support any existing rar zip
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1289 [10:14:54] <Anywhere> Hey, I'm trying to install a broadcom firmware for my wireless nic. It seems the driver is in stable but not in testing, is there a 'best practice' in this scenario or just install it from stable?
1290 [10:15:00] <goldkatze> zero89: Maybe try /join ##php too
1291 [10:15:30] <zero89> alkisg> so can I fix this by changing my general character encoding and if yes what are the risks please
1292 [10:16:08] <alkisg> zero89: so what I'm saying is don't change the system encoding, do whatever you do with encodings in php, but talk to the system in utf8
1293 [10:16:12] <goldkatze> zero89: (I truly dont mean to be rude by saying that; just feels like they might now, too)
1294 [10:16:30] <alkisg> zero89: and goldkatze is right, for the php part of the encodings, #debian isn't the appropriate place....
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1297 [10:17:30] <goldkatze> zero89: I agree with alkisg; dont change your systems filesystem encoding, that would just fuck things up.
1298 [10:17:34] <alkisg> zero89: also, if you're planning to support all existing .zips, then one system locale wouldn't even be enough, the .zips can be in 100 different locales
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1300 [10:17:41] <zero89> <alkisg> can you explain again why this isn't a debian encoding issue, and why I should stick to utf8, because I don't get it
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1309 [10:19:25] <goldkatze> zero89: You can't just switch fs encodings back and forth, because names written previously wont behave as expected after the change. You can use a hack: create a files, mkfs a new fs inside, loop mount it, unzip your stuff inside. That's a very ugly solution, though.
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1313 [10:19:52] <goldkatze> zero89: It's not a Debian issue, because the problem arises from php / that archive lib you're using, and would be the same on any other distribution.
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1320 [10:23:18] <alkisg> zero89: why is it a php bug? It's filed in php: replaced-url
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1325 [10:24:07] <zero89> alkisg> indeed found the same thing
1326 [10:24:25] <zero89> but I don't think I can use this workaround in my code :(
1327 [10:24:42] <zero89> I will contact php you're right, thank you friends :D
1328 [10:24:57] <alkisg> np
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1333 [10:29:06] <Anywhere> Sorry did I post my question in the wrong channel?
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1339 [10:33:07] <goldkatze> Anywhere: just install from stable, I think.
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1341 [10:33:23] <Anywhere> ok thanks
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1343 [10:33:42] <Anywhere> I guess /etc/apt/preferences.d is the way to go about it?
1344 [10:33:44] <goldkatze> Anywhere: there's no such thing as forwardport, like the reverse of backport
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1347 [10:34:12] <Anywhere> ah right, had forgotten that term. Haven't used debian in.. 15 years or so I think
1348 [10:34:22] <Anywhere> well 10 at least
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1351 [10:35:03] <goldkatze> Anywhere: Yes, make sure stable will be lower prio than testing, if thats your target release
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1353 [10:35:19] <Anywhere> Yea, that's what I was thinking. Thanks!
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1358 [10:36:04] <goldkatze> yw :-)
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1366 [10:36:54] <Anywhere> Have to say cinnamon is really nice. It even has the same keybinds as windows, which I find great. (Meta^E etc).
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1414 [10:57:14] <ald3baran> hi everyone
1415 [10:57:44] <ald3baran> I want to recompile Xorg on Debian Stretch to edit the source code in some way
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1418 [10:58:22] <jelly> ald3baran: ask the bot about these things: /msg dpkg package rebuild, /msg dpkg deb-src
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1420 [10:58:52] <ald3baran> I did 'apt source xserver-xorg-core' and then recompiled Xorg with './autogen.sh; ./configure; make -j8; make install'
1421 [10:59:08] <ald3baran> but then if I startx the X server won't start
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1425 [11:04:03] <cef> do you have all the necessary build dependencies installed?
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1429 [11:04:59] <ald3baran> I installed all the required libraries and ./autogen.sh didn't give me any errors
1430 [11:05:41] <cef> is that building all the kernel modules too?
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1432 [11:06:59] <cef> or rather, all the video drivers.
1433 [11:08:26] <cef> Also, what do you get in the X log? that might help.
1434 [11:08:29] <ald3baran> yeah (libfb.so, libglx.so, ...) but It seems to me that make install doesn't install them for some reason
1435 [11:09:18] <cef> make install is probably installing them to a temp location (for packaging) rather than the true destination
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1437 [11:09:54] <ald3baran> because if I inspect the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so binary after I did changes to fb/fbimage.c and did make install I can't see any changes
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1439 [11:10:05] <cef> or, the make install destination is different to the debian usual location.
1440 [11:10:26] <ald3baran> Also, what do you get in the X log? // it's present in journalctl ?
1441 [11:10:45] <ald3baran> <cef> or, the make install destination is different to the debian usual location. // do you have any recommendation on how I should proceed?
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1444 [11:12:17] <cef> I'd look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log directly (since then you're just looking at Xorg logs)
1445 [11:12:49] <cef> you need to find out where your files are being installed.
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1447 [11:13:02] <cef> are you running 'make install' as root?
1448 [11:13:10] <ald3baran> yes
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1450 [11:14:01] <towo^work> it's a stupid idea to do make install while bypassing the package management
1451 [11:14:30] <ald3baran> you need to find out where your files are being installed. // and then install them by hand in the right location?
1452 [11:14:45] <cef> the only other thing I could suggest is use the dpkg rebuild system instead.. as that will build you packages that you can install, and should put everything in the right places.
1453 [11:15:01] <ald3baran> should I dpkg-buildpackage then?
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1456 [11:15:49] <cef> ald3baran: It'd probably be the better way. you might be able to reuse the 'apt source' tree you fetched.. tho I've not used 'apt source' before,
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1458 [11:16:32] <ald3baran> I'll do that then. thanks for the help cef towo^work :)
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1532 [11:58:47] <PinkLiquid> bored of being stable....... going unstable
1533 [11:58:56] <PinkLiquid> lets break something
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1535 [12:00:00] <Haohmaru> you want excitement?
1536 [12:00:10] <PinkLiquid> yup
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1540 [12:00:31] <Haohmaru> grab onto these tightly >:)
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1542 [12:01:31] <PinkLiquid> well...... I play safe, have backups and /home on seperate partion for quick re-install if I break it
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1546 [12:01:58] <PinkLiquid> been a while since I looked at sid
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1548 [12:02:34] <Haohmaru> install windows, run IExplorer and click on every single banner you see
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1550 [12:03:00] <Haohmaru> especially on blinking popups
1551 [12:03:20] <PinkLiquid> Haohmaru, I fix those computers at work..... no thanks
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1561 [12:08:04] <leszek> hi
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1564 [12:09:31] <leszek> where can I find the cow folder of a "newer" debian live-boot based live system. With the old live-initramfs it was in /live/cow and I could relatively easy save this file to save all configurations done to a live system. I cannot seem to find the now called "work" directory of the overlayfs used on newer debian live systems. Do I need a special boot option for showing that directory? Or were is it located?
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1633 [12:53:23] <PinkLiquid> back.... and unstable
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1654 [13:09:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell PinkLiquid -about debian-next
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1656 [13:10:41] <PinkLiquid> jelly, already on it
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1745 [13:53:03] <ClashTheBunny> Hey folks, I'm having trouble getting d-i to let me in with ssh based network-console.
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1762 [13:58:31] <BCMM> leszek: interesting... everything suggests it *should* be /lib/live/mount/overlay, but when i create files they don't actually appear in there
1763 [13:58:55] <ClashTheBunny> Every time I'm presented with `installer@<ip>'s password:`
1764 [13:58:57] <leszek> BCMM: yep thats exactly why I am also scratching my head
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1768 [13:59:23] <ClashTheBunny> I see the authorized keys being downloaded from my webserver too, but that fails.
1769 [13:59:23] <BCMM> leszek: you look in /sys/fs/aufs too?
1770 [13:59:28] <BCMM> ^looked
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1775 [13:59:43] <leszek> nope. I thought overlayfs is used by default nowadays
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1779 [14:00:06] <BCMM> leszek: well i'm probably not using the latest iso
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1784 [14:01:07] <BCMM> but replaced-url
1785 [14:01:17] <theguyfromthebus> I'm trying to forward a port on VPN
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1788 [14:02:18] <theguyfromthebus> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 50.xxx.xx.xx -p tcp --dport 25565 -j DNAT --to-dest 10.89.0.2:25565 - this is on the VPN
1789 [14:02:23] <ClashTheBunny> theguyfromthebus: As in, you run something like openvpn on a server and you want people to hit a device attached to the VPN when they hit the same port on the router?
1790 [14:02:38] <BCMM> leszek: hmm. when i try to fill up the filesystem a bit, it's the aufs mount itself that has an increased "Used" percentage
1791 [14:02:40] <BCMM> and that mount only
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1797 [14:03:48] <theguyfromthebus> ClashTheBunny I want people to be able to reach one of my server which is connected to the VPN
1798 [14:04:19] <theguyfromthebus> iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -p tcp -d 10.89.0.2 --dport 25565 -j ACCEPT
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1800 [14:05:12] <theguyfromthebus> however this is not working for some reason
1801 [14:05:23] <ClashTheBunny> Have you run `tcpdump port 25565` from both servers to see if you are seeing responses?
1802 [14:06:27] <ClashTheBunny> you can `nc -vz 10.89.0.2 25565` from the vpn sever?
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1806 [14:07:14] <theguyfromthebus> let me check it
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1815 [14:10:35] <theguyfromthebus> # nc -vz 10.89.0.2 25565
1816 [14:10:35] <theguyfromthebus> 10.89.0.2: inverse host lookup failed: Unknown host
1817 [14:10:35] <theguyfromthebus> (UNKNOWN) [10.89.0.2] 25565 (?) open
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1821 [14:11:33] <ClashTheBunny> Seems like that works.
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1824 [14:12:42] <ClashTheBunny> I'd try to `tcpdump -i <ext-interface> -n port 25565` and `tcpdump -i <int-interface> -n port 25565` and see what goes through both of them. You should see the same amount of packets to both.
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1826 [14:13:12] <ClashTheBunny> theguyfromthebus: Is the firewall on the VPN server allowing that port?
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1828 [14:13:54] <leszek> BCMM: hmm... the manpage is outdated anyways. I still find live-rw references for persistence :P
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1830 [14:14:30] <BCMM> leszek: i am completely confused as to how aufs and tmpfs interact on this version (8.7.1)
1831 [14:14:31] <ClashTheBunny> Also, I assume all NAT is working on the inside of the VPN.
1832 [14:15:05] <BCMM> leszek: if i unmount the tmpfs at /lib/live/mount/overlay, things start to work as expected, with new files appearing in the /lib/live/mount/overlay directory
1833 [14:15:40] <theguyfromthebus> ClashTheBunny: Yes, the port is port forwarded on the VPN server. Also on the client too.
1834 [14:15:42] <leszek> hmm... but they need to be written to tmpfs anyways xD
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1837 [14:16:06] <ClashTheBunny> theguyfromthebus: But the client can access the internet from the VPN server?
1838 [14:16:10] <leszek> BCMM: so I am confused. Is it a bug now or is it just doing stuff on a level I don't get
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1840 [14:16:49] <ClashTheBunny> The two things needed to forward packets is to make sure that your forward policy is not deny, and that ip forwarding is turned on in the kernel.
1841 [14:16:50] <leszek> also readonly-persistence is stupid as it mounts the persistence file below the filesystem.squashfs so your changes to the live system vanish basically :P
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1843 [14:17:00] <ClashTheBunny> I just want to make sure that those are turned on.
1844 [14:17:10] <theguyfromthebus> ClashTheBunny: Yes, it can. I got the VPN ip address on the client with curl replaced-url
1845 [14:17:17] <BCMM> leszek: well, it *works*... files can be added to the existing, read-only files
1846 [14:17:23] <ClashTheBunny> Good.
1847 [14:17:23] <BCMM> i just can't work out what's actually backing them
1848 [14:17:31] <ClashTheBunny> My train is arriving.
1849 [14:17:49] <theguyfromthebus> Alright. :) Thanks for the help
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1918 [14:52:33] <wrksx> How should I proceed to allow a user to reload the apache server ?
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1920 [14:52:57] <slax0r> why would you want to allow that?
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1922 [14:53:10] <wrksx> I've read online that it's possible using sudoers but I'm wondering if that's the only solution
1923 [14:53:11] <FinalX> I wouldn't, but, a very carefully crafted sudo-rule, perhaps.
1924 [14:53:17] <mason> <cough>ticketing system</cough>
1925 [14:53:51] <slax0r> sudo can handle this yes, and is probably the safest way to do so, but the whole thing is a bit shady
1926 [14:54:02] <FinalX> Users generally shouldn't have to reload an Apache-webserver to begin with, especially not with the use of .htaccess-files enabled.
1927 [14:54:16] <wrksx> slax0r, the user that is renewing the certificate need to reload apache so the new certif is used
1928 [14:54:27] <wrksx> FinalX, it's a system user
1929 [14:54:32] <FinalX> Ah, ok.
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1932 [14:55:36] <wrksx> So yeah the user could use the command 'sudo service apache2 reload'
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1934 [14:55:58] <wrksx> with a sudeer config that would do it
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1937 [14:56:27] <slax0r> you can specifiy exact commands with parameters to a specific user and/or group
1938 [14:56:33] <slax0r> in sudoers file
1939 [14:56:42] <wrksx> alright seems good to me
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1945 [14:57:56] <wrksx> I'm still a bit confused about permissions in linux
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1949 [14:59:31] <wrksx> Just for information, is there a way to allow a user to do the same without typing sudo ? Like really allowing him to execute the command instead of allowing him to execute the command as root ?
1950 [15:00:04] <wrksx> I'm not goin to try to do it, but it might help me get a better understanding of that whole thing
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1953 [15:01:11] <vlt> wrksx: I think /etc/sudoers can be modified to allow only certain things. Maybe you can use that.
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1955 [15:01:23] <wrksx> yeah will do that
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1960 [15:03:42] <wrksx> also, why is visudo using nano ? is nano the default text editor on debian ?
1961 [15:04:08] <FinalX> not on mine, but if it's installed.. perhaps :)
1962 [15:04:10] <slax0r> export EDITOR=whatever
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1974 [15:09:28] <BCMM> wrksx: visudo usually calls /usr/bin/editor
1975 [15:09:56] <theguyfromthebus> if I'm running tcpdump port 25565 on the VPN server I can see response but not on the client side
1976 [15:10:04] <BCMM> wrksx: which is a symlink that can be configured through the alternatives system
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1979 [15:10:43] <wrksx> BCMM, ah right makes sense, will have a look, thanks
1980 [15:11:19] <theguyfromthebus> 14:05:39.312602 IP myip.55286 > VPNIP.25565: Flags [S], seq 2620191000, win 8192, options [mss 1460,nop,wscale 2,nop,nop,sackOK], length 0
1981 [15:11:19] <theguyfromthebus> 14:05:42.315705 IP myip.55286 > VPNIP.25565: Flags [S], seq 2620191000, win 8192, options [mss 1460,nop,wscale 2,nop,nop,sackOK], length 0
1982 [15:11:19] <theguyfromthebus> 14:05:48.315563 IP myip.55286 > VPNIP.25565: Flags [S], seq 2620191000, win 8192, options [mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK], length 0
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1985 [15:11:55] <theguyfromthebus> looks like something is going on the VPN side and I don't have any idea what....
1986 [15:12:05] <BCMM> wrksx: looks like it *also* respects the $EDITOR environment variable
1987 [15:12:17] <BCMM> wrksx: but uses /usr/bin/editor if that var is unset
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1993 [15:13:19] <BCMM> the man page suggests that it will check the EDITOR variable against a hard-coded whitelist, however, for security reasons
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1995 [15:13:35] <wrksx> BCMM, /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor -> /bin/nano
1996 [15:13:48] * greycat wonders how to learn what's in that hard-coded whitelist... "strings visudo" failed.
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1999 [15:14:30] <wrksx> will use alternatives, thx
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2004 [15:15:17] <slax0r> oh, wait, this is #debian :)
2005 [15:15:23] <BCMM> greycat: worked for me...
2006 [15:15:28] <slax0r> then I don't know if export EDITOR=foo works with visudo
2007 [15:15:39] <greycat> Although if you *don't* try to find full pathnames, there are some pathless editor names (patterns) in there, like elvis, *macs, vile, jove, pico, nano, zile
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2010 [15:15:46] <BCMM> yeah, that
2011 [15:16:14] <BCMM> maybe the feature is not enabled? worked fine for me with EDITOR=vim
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2013 [15:16:55] <greycat> I think Debian supplied a generous hard-coded list and didn't document it.
2014 [15:17:59] <mason> 'apt purge nano' is a ritual first step on configuring a new install.
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2017 [15:18:16] <BCMM> greycat: `EDITOR="echo lol" visudo` suggests otherwise
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2019 [15:18:47] <slax0r> BCMM: why would you do that?
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2021 [15:19:00] <greycat> To try to figure out what's allowed, since the man page is not forthcoming.
2022 [15:19:03] <BCMM> slax0r: because "echo lol" wouldn't be on any sane whiteliset
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2024 [15:19:06] <BCMM> ^whitelist
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2036 [15:25:04] <asterismo_m2> hi
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2039 [15:25:46] <asterismo_m2> can someone enligth me on this appearent issue i see in system messages?
2040 [15:25:58] <asterismo_m2> replaced-url
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2042 [15:26:30] <asterismo_m2> it is flodding /var/log/messages
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2045 [15:27:01] <RoyK> asterismo_m2: tail -f the file to see if there something more
2046 [15:27:36] <asterismo_m2> that was a tail -f /var/log/messages
2047 [15:27:57] <wrksx> weird after editing in vim (using command visudo) it asks me What now ? with options (e)dit sudoers file again e(x)it without saving changes to sudoers file (Q)uit and save changes to sudoers file (DANGER!)
2048 [15:28:14] <FinalX> Maybe you made a typo?
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2053 [15:29:08] <asterismo_m2> any ideas? it is something about rsyslogd...
2054 [15:29:13] <jelly> asterismo_m2: 3 messages in one day is hardly flooding
2055 [15:29:37] <jelly> okay, 4 messages
2056 [15:29:56] <RoyK> flooding is like "thousands of messages per minute"
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2058 [15:30:02] <RoyK> or even more
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2060 [15:30:27] <greycat> Even dozens per minute could be cause for alarm, depending on what they say.
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2064 [15:31:07] <FinalX> replaced-url
2065 [15:31:36] <jelly> it looks like a daily log file reopen ("rsyslogd was HUPed") followed by possible misconfiguration some time later
2066 [15:32:06] <jelly> followed by lines* about* possible misconfiguration
2067 [15:32:18] <FinalX> funny enough, googling for rsyslogd and action 17 together seems to always pop up with raspbian rsyslog :)
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2070 [15:32:38] <jelly> the HUPed lined is to be expected once a day (or once an anacron.daily run)
2071 [15:33:07] <jelly> asterismo_m2: so, is this an actual Debian installation?
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2084 [15:40:22] <asterismo_m2> jelly, actual debian installation? its debian 8 amd64 running on my home server
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2087 [15:41:23] <asterismo_m2> i had a couple of system freezes and i'm digging some logs
2088 [15:41:47] <wrksx> Hum here is the sudoers entry I added
2089 [15:42:02] <wrksx> acmesh ALL = (root) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/service apache2 reload
2090 [15:42:05] <asterismo_m2> the server has new raid disks, new mobo and psu
2091 [15:42:36] <wrksx> but when running 'sudo service apache2 reload' from that user sudo asks for a pwd
2092 [15:42:44] <wrksx> any idea why ?
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2094 [15:42:59] <greycat> because you didn't type /usr/bin/service?
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2096 [15:43:14] <greycat> I actually have no idea whether sudo need that.
2097 [15:43:33] <asterismo_m2> jelly what is 'HUPed' anyway?
2098 [15:43:40] <greycat> asterismo_m2: kill -HUP
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2103 [15:44:44] <petererer> Hmm, a Comodo network scan on a Jessie system is annoying. Lots of "fail" CVEs which Debian class as minor issues.
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2114 [15:48:21] <witziege> Hey everyone! I'm kinda new to linux and I have an issue with the network on my Trisquel Distro. I just installed the OS today and did apt upgrade and after a restart the network didn't work anymore. Can someone help me to resolve the issue together with me? The machine is kinda old but I really wanna breath life back into it :)
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2118 [15:50:09] <petn-randall> !trisquel
2119 [15:50:09] <dpkg> Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
2120 [15:50:23] <petn-randall> witziege: Their support channel is above. ^^^
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2124 [15:51:12] <wrksx> greycat, sudo /usr/bin/service apache2 reload asks for password too, I wonder what's wrong
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2128 [15:52:16] <wrksx> also after editing in visudo it doesn't say instaling new suders I think it used to do that
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2130 [15:52:41] <greycat> did the file actually change?
2131 [15:52:46] <wrksx> yes
2132 [15:52:57] <wrksx> but the editor is now vim.basic,
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2134 [15:53:10] <wrksx> used to be nano which i dislike but at least it worked
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2136 [15:54:15] <greycat> wrksx: this works for me, with "sudo id" as well as "sudo /usr/bin/id" : wooledg ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/id
2137 [15:54:17] <wrksx> greycat, hum I tried once again in nano but it doesn't acutally say 'installing sudoers' or anything
2138 [15:54:40] <wrksx> greycat, I'll try it too.
2139 [15:54:56] <wrksx> greycat, do you have a confirm message from visudo after some changes ?
2140 [15:55:10] <greycat> no, just vim's "/etc/sudoers.tmp" 29L, 706C written
2141 [15:55:16] <wrksx> k
2142 [15:55:17] <wrksx> ty
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2145 [15:57:56] <wrksx> hum this one works: acmesh ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/id
2146 [15:58:09] <wrksx> this one doesn't: acmesh ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/service apache2 reload
2147 [15:58:09] <greycat> probably the space between NOPASSWD: and the command
2148 [15:58:16] <greycat> ... or not.
2149 [15:58:28] <wrksx> I thought but it doesn't work either =)
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2153 [15:59:20] <wrksx> greycat, maybe sudo doesn't work with system users ?
2154 [15:59:31] <wrksx> because that acmesh is a sys user
2155 [15:59:39] <greycat> 10:57 wrksx> hum this one works: acmesh ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/id
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2157 [16:00:13] <wrksx> greycat, yeah works with id but not with service, I feel like missing something
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2160 [16:02:19] <greycat> works for me with "NOPASSWD: /bin/echo hello world"
2161 [16:02:45] <wrksx> greycat, because your user cannot echo ?
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2163 [16:03:27] <wrksx> greycat, sorry ignore that =)
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2165 [16:04:02] <greycat> service is in /usr/sbin not /usr/bin
2166 [16:04:12] <wrksx> fuck me
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2168 [16:04:37] <wrksx> greycat, you're damn freakin right
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2173 [16:06:43] <wrksx> greycat, you saved the day =) I think I might have stalled for at least an hour before noticing
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2186 [16:12:04] <afidegnum> hello, can anyone guide me to
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2198 [16:19:22] <brontosaurusrex> Any tools/text editors that would do bright/contrast/hue/saturation mixing on hex values in the file? Like on #ababab
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2201 [16:19:41] <brontosaurusrex> With preview of all colors that were found
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2216 [16:24:12] <BCMM> brontosaurusrex: you mean specifically one that searches a file for hex values, not just one that can have hex values pasted in manually, right?
2217 [16:25:00] <greycat> (you could use perl or GNU grep to extract the color codes by regex match...)
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2222 [16:26:10] <BCMM> brontosaurusrex: and also is this file CSS, or is it some arbitrary format?
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2226 [16:27:11] <greycat> and how many different syntaxes for color specs does it need to handle? just 6-hex-digit #abcdef, or also 3-hex-digit, etc.?
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2238 [16:30:31] <greycat> replaced-url
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2250 [16:32:59] <clumsy_boy> where can i find any official documentation about Xorg?, mostly related to configuration stuff, like xorg.conf, and the folder /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
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2253 [16:33:21] <greycat> man xorg.conf
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2256 [16:33:37] <clumsy_boy> oh, thank you
2257 [16:34:32] <clumsy_boy> by the way, why is Xorg sometimes referenced as a "server" or something like that?
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2260 [16:35:05] <greycat> Under the X Window System model, the X server is the program that interfaces with the hardware (monitor, keyboard, mouse) and listens for client requests.
2261 [16:35:18] <greycat> The clients are programs that ask the X server to draw stuff (xterm, firefox, xclock, etc.)
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2264 [16:36:07] <clumsy_boy> thanks again greycat
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2268 [16:37:28] <P666P> hey there
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2271 [16:38:01] <vagn> Greetings. I am trying to get ganeti running with LVM2 on ZFS volume. Things work if I configre LVM to not use lvmetad. But I want lvmetad running. I suspect the problem is a race between LVM and ZFS. I don't know if LVM or ZFS should be running first. Also, I'm not sure how to configure systemd to sequence these events.
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2273 [16:38:47] <vagn> I'm guessing this is not a common scenario.
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2275 [16:39:43] <P666P> why you want to use both?
2276 [16:41:12] <vagn> I want ZFS instead of md because zfs has checksums, so if one side of the mirror takes a read error the file system knows which copy is still good.
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2278 [16:41:19] <vagn> basically, use zfs instead of md.
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2280 [16:41:57] <vagn> ganeti knows how to make LVs on LVM, so that is kind of built in.
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2302 [16:47:54] <clumsy_boy> is there any downsides using Xorg? considering Wayland is out and slowly replacing Xorg, however i cant set my custom resolution with Wayland (that i know of)
2303 [16:48:20] <lordosis> Hey folks... Just wondering if anyone knows how to clear device mappings from grub2 in stretch... I used to do this by deleting /boot/grub/device.map but obviously that doesn't work anymore... Scoured around and couldn't find any clear leads... Just thought I'd ask here..
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2315 [16:52:02] <mason> vagn: If you're building ZFS atop LVM, get LVM going first. ZFS wants a block device.
2316 [16:52:10] <greycat> I have yet to see any system using Wayland, or any explanation of why I should care about Wayland.
2317 [16:52:33] <mason> vagn: That said, I'd tend not to want to mix the two at all. ZFS *is* volume management and more flexible than LVM.
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2319 [16:52:54] <RoyK> mason: well, if you're doing lvm on top of zfs, you're doing it wrong
2320 [16:52:55] <mason> greycat: It's going to be everywhere soon, because it's shiny.
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2322 [16:53:09] <mason> RoyK: Oh, I don't know. LVM on a zvol wouldn't be insane.
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2324 [16:53:28] <vagn> mason: ZFS is providing the block device to LVM. ZFS is handling the mirror, like mdadm typically does.
2325 [16:53:30] <mason> I get that at one remove doing LVM in VMs that live on zvols.
2326 [16:53:30] <RoyK> zfs on top of lvm doesn't seem like a very good idea either
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2328 [16:53:45] <mason> vagn: Ah, then you need ZFS running first. I misunderstood.
2329 [16:54:11] <mason> vagn: Basically, whomever it is that's suppling a block device to the other needs to be running first.
2330 [16:54:12] <RoyK> mason: lvm have pretty good filsystem support, cancelling out lvm
2331 [16:54:23] <mason> Hrm?
2332 [16:54:58] <RoyK> just zfs create mypool/fs
2333 [16:55:01] <RoyK> just zfs create mypool/fs/newfs
2334 [16:55:10] <RoyK> et cetera
2335 [16:55:17] <RoyK> it's no need mixing lvm and zfs
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2339 [16:55:37] <mason> RoyK: zfs create -p mypool/dataset/moredataset/stillmoredataset
2340 [16:55:41] <greycat> hmm, #wayland says "final release planned for April 9th" so maybe we'll start hearing a lot more around then
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2342 [16:55:53] <vagn> mason: true, and that all works if I have lvm configured with use_lvmetad = 0.
2343 [16:56:11] <mason> greycat: I remain deeply uninterested in Wayland. But I assume it'll be like systemd and it'll be more work to stay away from it than to cave in.
2344 [16:56:14] <RoyK> vagn: why lvm?
2345 [16:56:39] <mason> vagn: Or, force deferral of lvmetad maybe.
2346 [16:56:50] <RoyK> mason: replaced-url
2347 [16:56:59] <mason> But, yeah, if you've got ZFS in, there's not a lot of value from stuffing LVM onto it.
2348 [16:57:14] <vagn> mason: but with use_lvmetad = 1 the lvm activation becomes event based, and does
2349 [16:57:15] <vagn> n't work. I suspect the order in which the services start.
2350 [16:57:34] <greycat> To be fair, on most current Debian systems there is no xorg.cong file, and no need to create one.
2351 [16:57:37] <RoyK> vagn: why do you want LVM on top of ZFS?
2352 [16:58:02] <mason> greycat: I still have to use it to get ForceFullCompositionPipeline
2353 [16:58:27] <vagn> RoyK: ganeti sits on top of LVM. I want ganeti with lvm on zfs instead of lvm o
2354 [16:58:27] <vagn> n mdadm because checksums.
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2356 [16:58:56] <mason> Ah, ah. That's why.
2357 [16:59:12] <RoyK> vagn: seems ganeti can run directly on zfs as well
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2359 [16:59:37] <mason> vagn: replaced-url
2360 [16:59:44] <vagn> I saw that: I acript with LVM emulation. I'm chicken, and want to change one thing at a time.
2361 [16:59:45] <mason> experimental, at least there
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2366 [17:02:17] <RoyK> vagn: I guess there shouldn't be a problem to just lay a PV on a ZVOL and then use LVM on top of that
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2368 [17:02:51] <RoyK> vagn: you'll get the same checksumming and compression (lz4 is always nice - it's lighter than not using it on spinning rust)
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2370 [17:03:17] <vagn> RoyK: That is how it should be. But, on reboot, the volume group is not recognized without a manual vgscan --cache.
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2372 [17:03:42] <vagn> hence, my question about sequencing things.
2373 [17:03:49] <RoyK> vagn: ah - check the lvm setup in systemd, perhaps it should come after
2374 [17:03:52] <mason> vagn: Do you strictly need lvmetad?
2375 [17:04:58] <vagn> without lvmetad the lvm code basiclly does polling of the drives. I want lvm event based, and not wasting bandwidth.
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2377 [17:06:06] <mason> vagn: Then definitely try to defer lvmetad start
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2379 [17:06:23] <mason> Just have rescue media. systemd seems fragile when you try to reorder things.
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2386 [17:08:08] <vagn> it's a scratch box built with preseed and ansible. I can nuke it and have it rebuild from bare metal in about 15 minutes. <big grin> I can safely try just about anything.
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2392 [17:10:24] <NemesisD> hey folks. i have a laptop with intel integrated graphics, running on debian stretch. i have a 1920x1080 external monitor i plug in via displayport to mini displayport adapter. it incorrectly identifies as 4:3 and only will accept resolutions up to 1024x768. i've tried adding an xrandr mode but when switching to it, the monitor loses signal. my other HDMI monitor works fine. uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel to no avail
2393 [17:10:27] <vagn> But, systemd is a twisty maze of little passages. I think I want lvmonitor to run before zfs comes on line. any suggestions?
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2396 [17:11:22] <mason> vagn: None, unfortunately. I hope you find a path through.
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2401 [17:12:22] <greycat> NemesisD: does it need any firmware that you haven't installed?
2402 [17:12:22] <alkisg> NemesisD, find /sys/devices -name '*edid*' => does that return anything?
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2404 [17:12:42] <greycat> newer Intel video chipsets require some firmware
2405 [17:13:04] <greycat> e.g. [ 3.823147] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin
2406 [17:13:31] <NemesisD> @greycat im not sure how i can tell. i did come across a package called firmware-misc-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel. it isn't installed
2407 [17:13:39] <greycat> dmesg | grep -i firmware
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2409 [17:13:54] <vagn> OK. Well, thanks for listening. At least I have a clearer problem statement, now.
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2411 [17:14:23] <NemesisD> alkisg: 5 lines all under /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/
2412 [17:15:21] <NemesisD> greycat: ignoring iwlwifi, psmouse, 2 interesting lines: "ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored", "pnp 00:01: [Firmware Bug]: PNP resource [mem 0xfed10000-0xfed13fff] covers only part of 0000:00:00.0 Intel MCH; extending to [mem 0xfed10000-0xfed17fff]"
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2414 [17:15:46] <NemesisD> nothing like the i915 like you have
2415 [17:15:51] <greycat> nothing about a file that it wants to load and can't?
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2418 [17:16:27] <greycat> maybe this is one of the much older Intel chipsets that doesn't need firmware
2419 [17:16:53] <NemesisD> its not super old, this is a 2014 lenovo, T440s
2420 [17:17:21] <NemesisD> greycat: replaced-url
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2422 [17:19:35] <NemesisD> is there any harm in just installing a firmware package? not sure which one is relevant
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2427 [17:20:26] <greycat> installing them would be harmless, but it also wouldn't do anything since the kernel isn't trying to load any
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2429 [17:21:00] <NemesisD> ah, bummer
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2431 [17:21:35] <greycat> you could also post the output of lspci -nn | grep -i vga and maybe someone else will know more about it
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2436 [17:23:13] <NemesisD> lspci -nn | grep -i vga => 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b)
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2451 [17:31:17] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: Which release are you running?
2452 [17:32:29] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk: stretch
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2454 [17:33:42] <NemesisD> i'm absolutely willing to upgrade if i have to though. i'm basically using a very old secondary monitor as a backup and the coil whine i'm hearing in it is making me nervous that it is not long for this world
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2462 [17:34:48] <johnfg> hi folks
2463 [17:35:12] <johnfg> what should the owner.group be for files/directories under /var/replaced-url
2464 [17:35:26] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
2465 [17:35:47] <JustASlacker> unless you are doing funky things with your webserver
2466 [17:35:51] <JustASlacker> or ACL's
2467 [17:35:51] <johnfg> Yesterday, I installed and configured wordpress, using it for my home page, and all seemed good.
2468 [17:36:26] <johnfg> But this morning, it won't serve any pages, even when I copied index.html back into /var/replaced-url
2469 [17:36:38] <JustASlacker> check error logs
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2471 [17:36:57] <JustASlacker> do you get a 403?
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2476 [17:38:13] <greycat> If the content is read-only, you can have root own it, to avoid any kind of defacement resulting from an exploit of the replaced-url
2477 [17:38:19] <johnfg> JustASlacker: I'll check.
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2482 [17:39:40] <johnfg> Nothing in the error.log.
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2488 [17:40:09] <NemesisD> i also noticed when i run xrandr that there's virtually no info for this monitor, shows the dimensions as 0mm x 0mm
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2491 [17:41:07] <JustASlacker> johnfg: well, what happens if you try to curl that index.hrml
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2493 [17:41:43] <johnfg> Here's what I'm getting from Firefox: Opening dialog box - You have chosen to open: <blank area with nothing showing> which is: ~ file (10.5 KB). What should Firefox do with this file.
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2495 [17:42:25] <JustASlacker> is that a .php file ?
2496 [17:42:29] <johnfg> JustASlacker: You mean just do: `curl replaced-url
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2499 [17:42:38] <JustASlacker> yeah
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2501 [17:42:42] <JustASlacker> and with -I
2502 [17:42:49] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: If it's a really old monitor it might not be sending it's config info.
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2505 [17:43:19] <johnfg> JustASlacker: It does the same for both index.php (which wordpress wants), and for index.html (what was used after initial install of stretch.
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2508 [17:43:30] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk: pretty new but somewhat offbrand. its an AOC from i think 2016 or 2017. i got it for gaming since it supports g-sync. works great on windows
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2510 [17:43:46] <JustASlacker> johnfg: its borken
2511 [17:43:56] <JustASlacker> johnfg: but its probably not permissions
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2514 [17:44:06] <JustASlacker> youd get a 403 if it was file permissiond
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2516 [17:45:12] <johnfg> JustASlacker: Ok, and I don't. Here's what curl -I returned: replaced-url
2517 [17:45:20] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk: my guess is that they didn't test it on linux. too late to return it so now i just have a perfectly fine working monitor that refuses to run in native resolution
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2521 [17:46:01] <JustASlacker> johnfg: looks perfect.
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2523 [17:46:51] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: Is it showing EDID info in Xorg.0.log?
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2530 [17:49:29] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk: the monitor is DP-1, i see "modeset(0): Output DP-1 has no monitor section" i see lots of probed lines for my laptop's monitor but then just "modeset(0): EDID for output DP-1" and seemingly nothing below it
2531 [17:49:50] <NemesisD> so i guess an empty EDID?
2532 [17:49:52] <johnfg> JustASlacker: Any other ideas?
2533 [17:50:51] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: I don't know the details of the EDID query-response dialog, but I'm guessing that's the problem. It could be the adapter is not passing it.
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2535 [17:51:29] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: You could set up an xorg.conf fragment that specifies the correct configuration info.
2536 [17:51:30] <JustASlacker> johnfg: not really
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2539 [17:52:26] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk: could be the adapter but i remember i think plugging into an old thinkpad that had a regular displayport (so no adapter, just the cable) and having the same issue. plus the cable plugs into my windows desktop and works fine
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2541 [17:52:49] <jhutchins_wk> JustASlacker: I suspect you haven't enabled mod-php and don't have the handler defined.
2542 [17:53:10] <jhutchins_wk> Er, johnfg
2543 [17:53:31] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk: i was afraid you may say that, haha. how can i figure out how to write that correctly?
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2545 [17:54:38] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: Been too long since I had to. You'll need the specs for what the monitor should be sending. The EDID info from the working monitor could offer clues.
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2549 [17:55:06] <NemesisD> i wonder if i could boot to windows and pull the edid off of that
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2551 [17:56:14] <jhutchins_wk> NemesisD: The xorg.conf manpage has some info, arch has this: replaced-url
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2553 [17:56:51] <tw> NemesisD: which display driver?
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2555 [17:57:35] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: Don't know why things worked yesterday,then.
2556 [17:57:38] <NemesisD> tw: i'm not sure how to tell. it is haswell integrated. while troubleshooting earlier i uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel because i read it wasn't really needed for newer hardware. didn't affect the situation one way or another
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2560 [17:58:23] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: Niether do I, but sending a file that the browser doesn't know how to handle is a symptom that the handler is either not loaded or not defined.
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2562 [17:58:24] <tw> NemesisD: the intel driver is pretty reliable. Either you have a cabling problem or the monitor isn't reporting EDID.
2563 [17:58:26] <jhutchins_wk> !wordpress
2564 [17:58:26] <dpkg> WordPress is an open source blogging tool written in PHP, forked from b2/cafelog. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and Debian 7 "Wheezy", the wordpress package was updated to version 3.6.1 in September 2013 (DSA-2757-1); see /usr/share/doc/wordpress/NEWS.Debian and /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian for important information. replaced-url
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2566 [17:59:31] <NemesisD> tw: seems like its probably the latter. same cable works fine on windows. have a DP to mini DP adapter but i tried on an older laptop w/o the adapter and same issue: got stuck in 4:3 aspect ratio. manually setting a mode with xrandr immediately put monitor into "no signal" mode
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2568 [17:59:53] <NemesisD> the only time when it will display something is when i run 4:3 at 1024x768 or lower
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2574 [18:01:17] <ald3baran> hi everyone
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2581 [18:02:33] <JustASlacker> jhutchins_wk: he said he gets the empty page on .html too
2582 [18:02:39] <anonnumberanon> Anyone has experience using multiple computer monitors with Debian on a Lenove W530 with the dedicated GPU? Last time I tried I failed and iirc I bricked my OS as well.
2583 [18:02:47] <JustASlacker> jhutchins_wk: otherwise I'd say you are right
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2586 [18:05:24] <ald3baran> anyone knows how I could change the bit depth on a computer with Debian Stretch + LXDE Core? Tried defining the bit depth (by adding a Section "Screen" and defining DefaultDepth) in files like /etc/X11/xorg.conf but that doesn't work (the X Server won't start anymore)
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2589 [18:05:54] <johnfg> I got this: libapache2-mod-php7.0 is already the newest version (7.0.27-0+deb9u1).
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2591 [18:06:47] <johnfg> After I'd checked and got this: a2enmod mod_php - ERROR: Module mod_php does not exist!
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2600 [18:09:03] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: Look in /etc/apache2/mods-available (iirc).
2601 [18:09:06] <JustASlacker> I would tell you to go to #httpd
2602 [18:09:14] <JustASlacker> but they hate people....
2603 [18:09:26] <JustASlacker> mod-enables
2604 [18:09:28] <JustASlacker> mod-enabled
2605 [18:09:31] <greycat> on stretch, php7 doesn't seem to appear in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ for whatever reason
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2607 [18:09:46] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: That or dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php7.0 and see what the name of the module is - possible mod-php7.
2608 [18:09:55] <JustASlacker> I guess because php7 comes as a standalone interpreter
2609 [18:10:06] <JustASlacker> php7-fpm , no?
2610 [18:10:15] <greycat> not always
2611 [18:10:30] <JustASlacker> true, there is still oldschool php7
2612 [18:10:53] <greycat> there is a /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp7.0.so
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2625 [18:15:18] <jhutchins_wk> What's in mods-available?
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2655 [18:24:28] <NemesisD> jhutchins_wk, greycat OMG, i used an edid utility on windows which gave me some modelines for specific timings. it looks like for 16:9 the lowest refresh rate it supported was 85hz, but all the forum posts i read was targeting 60hz. i tried the max the monitor supports (144hz) and it didn't work, but 85hz totally works!
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2676 [18:39:05] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: Actually, I'd just done that, and it looks like it's there and loading.
2677 [18:39:30] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: It's php7.0.conf and php7.0.load
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2690 [18:44:07] <greycat> Ahhh. The reason I don't have an /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php7* is because this machine is still running the php5 stuff. Which is ludicrously hard to discover.
2691 [18:44:18] <jhutchins_wk> Unfortunately the documentation on this is badly lagged.
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2695 [18:44:46] <greycat> You used to be able to just do "telnet host 80" and "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" and it would tell you the PHP version along with the Apache version, but that is no longer the case.
2696 [18:45:06] <johnfg> Well, it looks like the problem was caused by wordpress.
2697 [18:45:23] <greycat> I ended up googling "php info" to learn how to create the phpinfo() thingy, then when I got the error message, I read the Apache logs to see where it's supposed to go, then moved it there, then reloaded...
2698 [18:45:55] <mutante> dpkg -l | grep php but maybe i should not rely on that?
2699 [18:45:55] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep php but maybe i should not rely on that
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2702 [18:46:29] <mutante> dpkg -l php7.0
2703 [18:46:29] <dpkg> ii php7.0 1.2-5.1 mutante's private stamp collection
2704 [18:46:39] <mutante> lol wut
2705 [18:47:13] <jhutchins_wk> mutante: What are you actually trying to find out?
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2708 [18:47:44] <johnfg> I had to add the line: DirectoryIndex index.php, to .htaccess, and things seem to be working correctly.
2709 [18:48:23] <mutante> jhutchins_wk: i am responding to greycat to say "i just do dpkg -l | grep when i check for the PHP version on a machine (5 vs 7)"
2710 [18:48:33] <greycat> mutante: this machine has both installed.
2711 [18:48:43] <mutante> i see
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2714 [18:48:58] <mutante> also i was laughing about the package description in the output of the dpkg bot
2715 [18:49:32] <greycat> dpkg literal cmd: -l (.*?)
2716 [18:49:32] <dpkg> "cmd: -l (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (ii $1 (1|2|3).(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)-(|1)(1|2|3|4|5)(|||.1|.2|.3) ($nick's private (porn|coin|warez|stamp) collection|ultra s3kr1t #debian package)|No packages found matching $1)"
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2718 [18:49:50] <mutante> haha
2719 [18:50:16] <mutante> you should add "altcoin" to the list of collections for the 2018 update
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2768 [19:14:37] <Simonious_> where is everyone's path set? I tried /etc/login.defs and /etc/environment no luck..
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2772 [19:15:54] <Simonious_> also tried /etc/profile
2773 [19:16:04] <klys> simunius, it should be in that one
2774 [19:16:22] <Simonious_> it's there, but a relog isn't updating my $PATH
2775 [19:16:39] <klys> simonious_, there are two, one for root and one for user
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2777 [19:17:11] <Simonious_> got it, typo, I used ; to append instead of : in /etc/profile
2778 [19:17:13] <Simonious_> ty
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2780 [19:17:34] <klys> yw
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2785 [19:19:29] <Simonious_> harder question.. my ethernet is coming up undetected... where do I start? (poking around on Google as well)
2786 [19:19:41] <Simonious_> not ethernet.. wifi
2787 [19:19:53] <LeoNerd> What does "undetected" mean?
2788 [19:20:04] <Simonious_> it means when I do ifconfig there is no wlan entry
2789 [19:20:07] <LeoNerd> No interface? Interface but no radio? Radio but no access ppints?
2790 [19:20:12] <Simonious_> only eth0 and lo
2791 [19:20:25] <LeoNerd> lspci and see if the card itself is visible
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2794 [19:20:40] <Simonious_> no echo
2795 [19:21:01] <Simonious_> lspci returns nothing
2796 [19:21:09] <LeoNerd> Nothing at all?
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2798 [19:21:13] <Simonious_> correct
2799 [19:21:25] <LeoNerd> That sounds rather broken.. I'd imagine you'd have quite a few PCI devices of various kinds
2800 [19:21:43] <Simonious_> .. heh .. well it's a single board computer
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2802 [19:21:52] <LeoNerd> Personally I see two NICs, three USB roots, hard disk controller, graphics, ...
2803 [19:21:52] <jelly> Simonious_: which SoC?
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2805 [19:21:59] <Simonious_> jelly: hummingboard pro
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2807 [19:22:16] <jelly> Simonious_: that's the board. Which "CPU"?
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2813 [19:22:59] <Simonious_> I've forgotten, checking
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2815 [19:23:15] <Simonious_> IMX6
2816 [19:23:17] <jelly> Simonious_: provide an image of screen showing "cat /proc/cpuinfo" output, and also "dpkg --print-architecture"
2817 [19:23:22] <jelly> arm, then.
2818 [19:23:43] <jelly> Simonious_: how did you install Debian?
2819 [19:23:58] <Simonious_> flashed an image to an sdcard
2820 [19:24:13] <Simonious_> replaced-url
2821 [19:24:17] <Simonious_> stretch found ^
2822 [19:24:18] <jelly> where precisely did you get the image from?
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2824 [19:25:04] <jelly> right. So you probably want to ask them whether the image is complete and whether it contains all the necessary bits to make wifi work
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2826 [19:25:56] <Simonious_> jelly: I can, I was hoping it was reasonably to identify the chipset and add in what I need
2827 [19:25:59] <Simonious_> *reasonable
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2830 [19:26:19] <jelly> Simonious_: if the hardware vendor does not have a support venue, you might try amlogic linux dev people. They have a channel at #linux-amlogic
2831 [19:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> Simonious_: Is it possible the NIC is on a different bus then? lsusb?
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2834 [19:27:03] <Simonious_> jelly: okay
2835 [19:27:04] <jelly> Simonious_: there's also a tiny #debian-arm over on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net)
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2837 [19:27:12] <jhutchins_wk> Simonious_: ifconfig -a might also show it. dmesg | less should show whether it's detected and just not supported.
2838 [19:27:13] <Simonious_> jhutchins_wk: it's not on the usb bus..
2839 [19:27:26] <Simonious_> ifconfig -a does show it...
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2841 [19:27:49] <Simonious_> wlan0: flags=4098<BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
2842 [19:27:55] <jelly> if ifconfig or "ip link" shows it that means there's already a driver loaded
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2845 [19:28:08] <Simonious_> 3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
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2854 [19:28:49] <Simonious_> well heck, maybe I just need to do some basic wifi setup and it'll work.
2855 [19:29:25] <jelly> so maybe you just need to actually configure it using wifi-specific tools (iw command, wpasupplicant, or a wrapper like wicd or NetworkManager's nmcli)
2856 [19:29:35] * Simonious_ agrees
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2858 [19:29:38] <Simonious_> I'll poke at it
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2866 [19:33:41] <leszek> so I am still curious how the live-boot system is working at all with no files shown on the cow part. In my opinion this is a bug somehow. But if someone is able to tell me whats going on there. please do
2867 [19:34:12] <leszek> background: I need the cow part as I want to snapshot it
2868 [19:35:07] <jhutchins_wk> How did cows get involved?
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2870 [19:35:22] <greycat> !debian-live
2871 [19:35:22] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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2873 [19:35:54] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: persistency runs on milk
2874 [19:36:30] <jelly> when you delete a file on a live system, what do you think is used to do the white-out
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2876 [19:37:05] <jhutchins_wk> I would imagine that the file is removed from RAM and not re-read from the image.
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2889 [19:44:18] <paupav> hello
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2892 [19:44:54] <jelly> paupav: hi there
2893 [19:45:08] <paupav> does anyone know how can i create app that autoupdates like nano
2894 [19:45:10] <paupav> in terminal
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2897 [19:45:44] <greycat> I don't know what you mean by autoupdate, or how a text editor would exemplify this.
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2900 [19:47:28] <paupav> oh okay thanks
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2902 [19:47:40] <jelly> !next
2903 [19:47:41] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2908 [19:48:43] <wuzamarine> dpkg: its a tough job but, somebody's got to do it.
2909 [19:48:43] <dpkg> wuzamarine: bugger all, i dunno
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2916 [19:54:13] <hypn0> tough? if you know the anwsers :-/
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2929 [20:00:03] <Simonious_> ip link set wlan0 up produces: RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill Ever seen that?
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2940 [20:03:52] <dR3ce> What client do you use on deb?
2941 [20:03:57] <JustASlacker> hardware wlan button?
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2943 [20:04:15] <dR3ce> What?
2944 [20:04:20] <dR3ce> irc client
2945 [20:04:30] <JustASlacker> Simonious_: hardware wifi button?
2946 [20:04:31] <greycat> !poll
2947 [20:04:32] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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2949 [20:04:52] <greycat> You should just use whatever IRC client you want.
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2952 [20:05:07] <Simonious_> JustASlacker: Hmm, not to my knowledge
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2954 [20:05:31] <dR3ce> Opinions though
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2957 [20:06:15] <JustASlacker> Simonious_: rfkill list all
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2961 [20:07:07] <Simonious_> sfot blocked: yes
2962 [20:07:17] <Simonious_> Soft blocked: yes
2963 [20:07:21] <Simonious_> Hard blocked: no
2964 [20:07:35] <annadane> hexchat works fine for me
2965 [20:07:39] <annadane> others prefer irssi
2966 [20:07:56] <annadane> irssi is CLI so it's nice when you need to troubleshoot something on irc when x breaks
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2970 [20:08:22] <Simonious_> <-IRC via a persistent headless beaglebone
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2972 [20:08:33] <JustASlacker> Simonious_: rfkill unblock all
2973 [20:08:41] <Simonious_> 19:08:29 up 173 days, 4:29, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 it isn't working too hard
2974 [20:09:00] <jordila> dear #debian community , i'm lost on my own server ... when it says (Firewall) ... 'ufw status' ... dice puerto (SMTP ) '25/tcp ALLOW '
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2976 [20:09:18] <Simonious_> JustASlacker: that looks good
2977 [20:09:50] <jordila> yet, ( e.g. via NMAP test ) i cannot access SMTP port externally ... what am i missing ?
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2981 [20:11:33] <AndroUser> Guys, I want to install debian on a usb disk, i did it, but it boots only from the pc which it was. Installed, where i want to use this debian with couple of machines. Is that possible?
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2985 [20:12:53] <crimson_king> AndroUser, I think you installed the /boot on the PC instead of the USB disk.
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2987 [20:13:33] <jordila> got it ^^ , Exim was listening too (25)
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3004 [20:20:36] <brontosaurusrex> BCMM, not a css, actually its a config file
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3006 [20:21:49] <DziamDziam> Hey. I have a question: 1. LXDE or LXQT or MATE or LUMINA or CINNAMON or OPENBOX? 2. GTK+ or QT or other...? I will work with Blender (3D) and other graphical programs. Hardware: Intel i7, nVidia 660Ti, RAM 16GB. Any restriction about this desktop Environments? (on Debian of course, so this is not offtopic :) ... or recommend a channel where I can learn something about it.
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3008 [20:22:47] <nkuttler> DziamDziam: nobody can tell you what *you* will like
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3010 [20:24:04] <DziamDziam> Some hints? about differences between? or something?
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3013 [20:26:09] <DziamDziam> I mean technical things.
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3017 [20:28:25] <annadane> well
3018 [20:28:41] <annadane> openbox is probably the most minimal of all of those, not sure about lumina
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3020 [20:29:15] <annadane> my own personal preference at this point is probably mate, xfce is also nice
3021 [20:29:31] <annadane> and i guess question 2 is tied in with question 1
3022 [20:29:52] <annadane> see replaced-url
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3028 [20:33:13] <brontosaurusrex> DzAirmaX, Blender is working fine with openbox replaced-url
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3036 [20:35:44] <brontosaurusrex> and that is Debian9 on the screenshot btw.
3037 [20:36:41] <brontosaurusrex> another one, Video editor replaced-url
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3041 [20:37:43] <DziamDziam> I used Openbox, but I have not used Linux for a long time, so I thought that Openbox did not support new things.
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3045 [20:38:22] <brontosaurusrex> DziamDziam: like what?
3046 [20:38:32] <petn-randall> DziamDziam: The technical things are really irrelevant, you can still run Qt apps in a GTK desktop environment, and vice versa.
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3048 [20:39:02] <petn-randall> It would only be relevant if you intend to program with one of the libraries.
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3050 [20:39:08] <abrotman> Does it support the things you need?
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3052 [20:40:11] <annadane> my understanding is that openbox is largely frozen, though i know sid has a newer version than stable
3053 [20:40:25] <brontosaurusrex> With blender is gonna be having the latest nvidia installed I guess (especially for 2.8)
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3055 [20:41:19] <Simonious_> replaced-url
3056 [20:41:47] <DziamDziam> So all drivers, multicore etc will work fine? Does it matter from desktop environment?
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3064 [20:43:47] <brontosaurusrex> DziamDziam: I don't think it will matter for Blender and I can claim that after playing with openbox/Blender for a year now.
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3068 [20:44:43] <brontosaurusrex> However real DE should be using opengl stuff for desktop management, while openbox will not afaik.
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3072 [20:45:16] <DziamDziam> brontosaurusrex, btw, thanks for screenshoots
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3074 [20:45:26] <theguyfromthebus> #openvpn
3075 [20:45:28] <theguyfromthebus> sorry
3076 [20:45:45] <brontosaurusrex> Simonious_: All I can say is, it's doable, I setup a laptop with only wifi working the other day (from base Debian9 install).
3077 [20:45:47] <theguyfromthebus> wrong channel :facepalm:
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3079 [20:46:21] <Simonious_> brontosaurusrex: yeah, I agree.. I've done it, but I don't have it down to a science yet.. so far lots of magic and sprinkles and eventually it works.
3080 [20:46:23] <brontosaurusrex> Simonious_: Not that I remember what was the trick, besides large amounts of determination.
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3086 [20:49:12] <epiflux> wicd has a nice little ncurses menu that isn't too hard to decipher for setting up wifi.
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3090 [20:51:25] <brontosaurusrex> epiflux: yeah, but you have to install that first somehow.
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3093 [20:52:42] <crimson_king> DziamDziam, The Desktop Environment is not responsible for making your drivers and cores and fans work. It only manages windows and give you buttons and panels so you don't have to edit text files whenever you want to, say, change the wallpaper.
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3103 [20:57:14] <DziamDziam> crimson_king, I see... now I testing MATE Live...
3104 [20:58:02] <crimson_king> What makes your hardware work properly is shared among Linux distributions, so nobody has to "reinvent the wheel", you know?
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3108 [21:00:41] <DziamDziam> crimson_king, now I understand :) thank You all
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3111 [21:01:00] <AkQ> cheap, legit and with whoisguard-service: where to buy .net -top level domain?
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3118 [21:03:21] <Thedarkb> I want to dual boot Debian with TinyCore linux.
3119 [21:03:27] <Thedarkb> I already have TinyCore installed.
3120 [21:03:34] <Thedarkb> What's the easiest way to go from here.
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3124 [21:05:48] <Brigo> Thedarkb, the installer should recognice the tinycore installation and handle it.
3125 [21:05:56] <Thedarkb> Good.
3126 [21:05:58] <Thedarkb> Oh
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3128 [21:06:04] <Brigo> Thedarkb, houpfully :)
3129 [21:06:13] <Thedarkb> The USB ports and optical drive are broken on my machine.
3130 [21:06:32] <Thedarkb> I'm going to take out the hard drive and use another machine to install it.
3131 [21:06:35] <Thedarkb> Will that matter?
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3133 [21:07:04] <Brigo> Thedarkb, are you going to copy the debian installer image to a hard drive?
3134 [21:07:19] <Thedarkb> Nah, I'm going to run the installer on my desktop
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3136 [21:07:44] <Brigo> i guess it shouldn't, but you'll have to test it.
3137 [21:08:05] <RoyK> Thedarkb, just wondering, why tinycore? most machines can handle debian quite well these days (and 15 years back)
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3139 [21:09:30] <Thedarkb> I'm a maintainer.
3140 [21:09:43] <RoyK> ok
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3172 [21:29:12] <Cypher100> Hi.
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3183 [21:36:16] <DziamDziam> Hi.
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3186 [21:37:17] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've debian 9.4 and i'm not able to install spamassassin :X
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3188 [21:38:15] <annadane> !bat
3189 [21:38:15] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3190 [21:38:18] <annadane> rocketmagnet, ^
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3196 [21:40:05] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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3199 [21:41:50] <rocketmagnet> the package libarchive-tar-perl does not exist
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3202 [21:42:53] <rocketmagnet> apt-cache policy spamc -> replaced-url
3203 [21:43:11] <annadane> !localized errors
3204 [21:43:11] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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3206 [21:43:47] <annadane> ,v lirarchive-tar-perl
3207 [21:43:48] <judd> No package named 'lirarchive-tar-perl' was found in amd64.
3208 [21:43:51] <annadane> ,v libarchive-tar-perl
3209 [21:43:53] <judd> No package named 'libarchive-tar-perl' was found in amd64.
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3213 [21:44:50] <annadane> and what does "apt-cache policy" say by itself?
3214 [21:45:03] <annadane> ,v spamassassin
3215 [21:45:04] <judd> Package: spamassassin on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0-6; jessie-backports: 3.4.1-6~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.4.1-6+deb9u1; buster: 3.4.1-8; sid: 3.4.1-8
3216 [21:45:26] <rocketmagnet> apt-cache policy sa-compile -> replaced-url
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3218 [21:46:44] <rocketmagnet> apt-cache policy libmail-spf-perl -> replaced-url
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3221 [21:47:41] <rocketmagnet> judd: i only find spamassassin-heatu, but no spamassassin package
3222 [21:47:42] <judd> No package named 'only' was found in stretch/amd64.
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3224 [21:47:56] <annadane> judd is just a bot, which i invoked
3225 [21:48:10] <annadane> rocketmagnet, what is the output of "apt-cache policy"?
3226 [21:48:22] <rocketmagnet> of which package ?
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3228 [21:49:03] <annadane> nothing; just apt-cache policy by itself
3229 [21:49:04] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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3231 [21:50:20] <annadane> what does apt-cache policy spamassassin say?
3232 [21:51:02] <annadane> and also for future reference, mixing in ubuntu PPAs in debian is a good way to break your system
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3234 [21:52:26] <annadane> also: how did you try installing spamassassin? apt install?
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3236 [21:53:12] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
3237 [21:53:19] <annadane> because if libarchive-tar-perl isn't available as ANY package, this may be trying to install something from ubuntu
3238 [21:53:20] <rocketmagnet> apt-get install spamassassin
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3242 [21:54:51] <rocketmagnet> i've removed the ppa line from source.list (used it only for java install) and did apt-get update but same result
3243 [21:55:17] <annadane> the ppa will likely break the system in future, but i'll ignore it for now
3244 [21:55:57] <rocketmagnet> apt install spamassassin shows same error
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3246 [21:56:31] <annadane> this is kind of out of my knowledge area
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3248 [21:57:07] <rocketmagnet> :( but thank you
3249 [21:57:33] <annadane> maybe it's deb.debian.org being weird and you can try switching mirrors, but beyond that...
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3251 [21:57:48] <rocketmagnet> what mirror are you using ?
3252 [21:58:09] <somiaj> you may need to remove the other packages you got from that ppa (including any core libs)
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3254 [21:58:24] <somiaj> and revert the libaries to the version from debian, not that you got from the ppa
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3260 [21:59:08] <rocketmagnet> ok, i understand
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3262 [22:00:05] <rocketmagnet> is there a command to show what apt-get would do without actually doing it ?
3263 [22:00:14] <greycat> --dry-run
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3266 [22:01:35] <rocketmagnet> somiaj: he only installed oracle-java8-installer and oracle-java8-set-defaults, no other libs or other stuff
3267 [22:02:16] <rocketmagnet> and i switched to ftp.debian.org
3268 [22:02:24] <rocketmagnet> still same result
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3279 [22:05:40] <rocketmagnet> hmmm, i deinstalled the ppa packages, now the strange thing is that when i do apt-get search spamassassin i get : spamass-milter spamassassin-heatu
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3286 [22:07:16] <jaggz> can I have apt download a package (updating /var/cache/apt/archives/) but not install it?
3287 [22:07:25] <greycat> yes, --download-only
3288 [22:07:32] <jaggz> greycat, I don't berieve you!
3289 [22:07:34] <jaggz> thanks bud
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3297 [22:11:35] <rocketmagnet> E: Package 'libarchive-tar-perl' has no installation candidate, but packages.debian.org/strech/libarchive-tar-perl shows me it must exist ...
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3299 [22:12:20] <greycat> ,v libarchive-tar-perl
3300 [22:12:21] <judd> No package named 'libarchive-tar-perl' was found in amd64.
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3302 [22:13:53] <RoyK> ,v libarchive-tar-wrapper-perl
3303 [22:13:54] <judd> Package: libarchive-tar-wrapper-perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.16-1; jessie: 0.21-1; stretch: 0.23-1; buster: 0.23-2; sid: 0.23-2
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3315 [22:18:28] <rocketmagnet> it seems like there is a bug in the package managment system, i looked at ftp.debian.org/debian/dist/Debian9.4/contrib/Contents-amd64.gz and i was not able to find spamassassin
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3317 [22:20:11] <rocketmagnet> i found it in main with mail/spamassassin
3318 [22:20:40] <annadane> yeah, packages.debian.org/stretch/libarchive-tar-perl says that perl-modules-5.24 provides it
3319 [22:21:24] <annadane> libarchive-tar-perl is a virtual package
3320 [22:21:47] <annadane> so i would check to make sure you have perl-modules-5.24 is installed; what does dpkg -l perl-modules-5.24 say
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3322 [22:22:47] <rocketmagnet> ^replaced-url
3323 [22:22:53] <somiaj> ,v spamassassin
3324 [22:22:54] <judd> Package: spamassassin on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0-6; jessie-backports: 3.4.1-6~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.4.1-6+deb9u1; buster: 3.4.1-8; sid: 3.4.1-8
3325 [22:23:30] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: stretch packages are well tested, in most cases dependency issues are due to things the user did, not the package management system.
3326 [22:23:34] <annadane> so apparently if you go to packages.debian.org/stretch/ it lists it but not packages.debian.org/stable/
3327 [22:23:37] <somiaj> have you provided the full output of ALL the info asked here
3328 [22:23:47] <somiaj> !bat
3329 [22:23:48] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3330 [22:23:54] <annadane> they did earlier
3331 [22:24:00] <annadane> more or less
3332 [22:24:07] <rocketmagnet> somiaj: yes
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3334 [22:24:19] <somiaj> I just missed it, but I still think you have some package installed on your system from either backports or third party causing the problem, that info should help track down the package.
3335 [22:24:31] <somiaj> but I'll look at the paste you made eariler if you still have the link
3336 [22:25:15] <rocketmagnet> sec
3337 [22:25:22] <annadane> replaced-url
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3339 [22:27:34] <somiaj> arg, copy/patst is having issues with my terminal for some reason, also can you localze the output using C
3340 [22:27:37] <somiaj> !localization errors
3341 [22:27:48] <annadane> !localized errors
3342 [22:27:48] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
3343 [22:27:48] <somiaj> just rung LANG=C commands
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3346 [22:29:49] <DziamDziam> When I run Live-CD, can I copy to RAM now?
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3350 [22:30:24] <petn-randall> DziamDziam: Is there such an option in the boot menu?
3351 [22:31:21] <rocketmagnet> somiaj: i don't have time now it's to late and i've to stand up early tomorrow, i'll come back tomorrow with the paste, ty
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3354 [22:31:57] <jaggz> can I tell apt-get to put downloaded files in a different location?
3355 [22:32:29] <jaggz> I"m basically making something to examine files when debsums finds they're different
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3364 [22:34:24] <DziamDziam> petn-randall, so I can't do that from desktop, I need to edit Boot script on Grub?
3365 [22:35:56] <DziamDziam> I think I got it... # live-toram
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3372 [22:41:08] <DziamDziam> ...syntax error
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3376 [22:43:52] <JustASlacker> you guys know how to create an interface alias with the ip command
3377 [22:43:54] <JustASlacker> like ifconfig eth0:0 172.16.25.127
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3382 [22:46:04] <tharkun> .versions nginx
3383 [22:46:16] <tharkun> !versions nginx
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3389 [22:47:41] <annadane> ,v nginx
3390 [22:47:42] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; sid: 1.13.6-2; buster:
3391 [22:47:43] <judd> 1.13.9-1; sid: 1.13.9-1
3392 [22:47:45] <annadane> tharkun, ^
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3399 [22:51:49] <tharkun> annadane: Thanks
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3408 [22:57:39] <DziamDziam> with boot in Grub I add "toram" and now not work keyboard and mouse?! (laptop)
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3411 [23:00:34] <tharkun> !ssb
3412 [23:00:35] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3417 [23:01:57] <tharkun> If I need/want to repackage nginx for wheezy what is my best route to do it?
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3424 [23:09:07] <jhutchins> tharkun: Upgrade to stretch.
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3436 [23:14:05] <DziamDziam> Bye all.
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3452 [23:18:20] <tharkun> jhutchins: Thanks I was hoping for a way simpler solution. Guess I will have to schedule some quality time.
3453 [23:18:27] <tharkun> !wheezy
3454 [23:18:28] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
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3456 [23:18:48] <tharkun> !wheezy-lts
3457 [23:18:48] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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3460 [23:19:42] <tharkun> Doing the update to stretch in May is asking for trouble or should I be allright?
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