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• 5[00:00:22] <noodlepie> s/cor/for
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• 10[00:02:40] <plutes> RoyK, sorry must of missed the shell window
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• 26[00:10:53] <noodlepie> I've used Debian for nearly 20 years now but have recently found Gentoo to be a new home. I still use Debian where I need binary packages though, on my old 32Bit PIII server
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• 30[00:14:15] <noodlepie> I run 33 compile threads on my Gentoo system, it builds packages from source fairly quickly.
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• 36[00:16:45] <galex-713> noodlepie: out of curiosity, are you saying this here for a particular reason?
• 37[00:17:39] <galex-713> I tried gentoo too a long time ago, just after 6 months under a LFS-home-made self-compiled system, but while a partition resize I lost my life^Wdata and never tried again, and then debian became a new home
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• 43[00:22:11] <somiaj> maybe they are just misplaced as this is a debian support channel, not talk about what linux distros we prefer to run.
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• 47[00:24:07] <mutante> "i run 33 compile threads" sounds like "i'm behind 7 proxies" , j/k ;)
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• 49[00:24:41] <noodlepie> how so?
• 50[00:25:13] <mutante> maybe because it's one more than 32 and that is such a common number in computing
• 51[00:25:34] <noodlepie> actually I usually set the kernel builder config and general MAKEOPTS to -j9 once I'd worked out the algorithm for this.
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• 53[00:26:04] <noodlepie> The formula presented itself as Number of core cpus * number of threads + 1
• 54[00:26:22] <noodlepie> the answer is -j9 which works quite rapidly
• 55[00:27:08] <noodlepie> 9 threads on 8 cores seems odd but Linux can do the extra thread to schedule when the other cpu's are waiting on IO or whatever else they may pause for
• 56[00:27:47] <mutante> sounds cool! assuming finding out the formula didn't take more time than the optimization saved
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• 58[00:28:31] <noodlepie> hehe
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• 61[00:29:03] <noodlepie> Building the kernel with 8 threads takes about 4 minutes on this i7 laptop, modules included
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• 96[00:54:31] <kion> vlt, Thanks!! ok got it
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• 123[01:08:57] <prasket> If I want to compare the hash of a current system file locally with that of Debian Stable current official version, where can I find those hashes? i.e. ran rkhunter and it flagged a few files. I am sure they are fine but now my curiosity has the best of me and I am trying to figure out how I would even do such a thing. my searchfu failed me :(
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• 128[01:12:16] <expert975> I have installed and am using another window manager other than Gnome and since I've started evolution can't access the keyring and asks for a password for almost every email. Is there a keyring service I need to activate to make it work again?
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• 136[01:22:04] <galex-713> what is pureos? what’s the main difference with debian?
• 137[01:22:15] <galex-713> except it probably doesn’t have non-free and maybe is installed with different defaults
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• 142[01:25:22] <dummybird> Hello all, I'm new to Linux, and newer to debian. I'm trying to set up a home lab environment and have a standalone box i've installed proxmox, which is debian based. The machine has two drives, I've been trying to format and mount the second drive to store VMs on, its /dev/sdb1, however every time I try to run mkfs.ext4 it tells me the drive is in use. I definitely haven't mounted it anywhere yet, and I can't think of any reason it
• 143[01:25:47] <dummybird> I'm not sure how to figure out what the problem is, every thing i find in search is for problems not really related
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• 149[01:28:18] <mutante> dummybird: first unmount it so you can be sure it's not in use.. then create a new file system.. then mount that new filesystem
• 150[01:28:59] <dummybird> i've tried "umount /dev/sdb1" and "umount /dev/sdb" and both say they are not mounted
• 151[01:29:28] <dummybird> I've run fdisk to create the partition, i just haven't been able to format it with the file system yet
• 152[01:31:21] <galex-713> *GNU/Linux
• 153[01:32:01] <mutante> dummybird: maybe paste the output of "fdisk -l" and try running fdisk again to delete any existing partition on it
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• 155[01:32:32] <mutante> dummybird: does it really say that /dev/sdb1 is in use or is it just /dev/sdb without the number
• 156[01:33:10] <dummybird> i've tried rerunning fdisk to delete the partition, and recreate it, and i've tried mixing in every form of fdisk and reboot before or after the next step.
• 157[01:34:18] <dummybird> thats the actual output
• 158[01:34:28] <dummybird> er
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• 160[01:34:38] <dummybird> "/dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!"
• 161[01:35:27] <mutante> do you have software raid by any chance?
• 162[01:35:33] <mutante> /dev/md0 ?
• 163[01:36:15] <dummybird> no raid
• 164[01:36:43] <dummybird> one SSD that i installed proxmox on, and intend to run the VMs on, and one IDE drive thats just meant to store the VM templates
• 165[01:36:51] <mutante> how about booting from a live CD or flash drive and trying to format it from there... it can hardly be in-use then.. to see what happens
• 166[01:37:25] <expert975> How do I activate the gnome keyring?
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• 168[01:38:29] <mutante> dummybird: lsof | grep sdb
• 169[01:39:13] <dummybird> is it just a space in between each of those?
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• 171[01:39:26] <dummybird> i type that and hit enter and nothing returned, just a fresh line
• 172[01:39:43] <mutante> dummybird: yes, and that was an attempt to see if any open files using sdb
• 173[01:39:53] <mutante> if there is nothing.. that attempt failed :p
• 174[01:39:57] <dummybird> lol
• 175[01:40:12] <dummybird> failure i've had plenty of, this is my hail mary
• 176[01:40:23] <mutante> fuser -m /dev/sdb1
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• 178[01:40:47] <mutante> could list the PID of a process with an open file on it
• 179[01:40:49] <dummybird> sent that through, returned a fresh line
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• 182[01:41:29] <mutante> well, i am running out of ideas then.. besides booting from something else.. or actually just rebooting.. weird as it sounds
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• 184[01:41:42] <mutante> maybe others have more
• 185[01:42:01] <dummybird> i have done a lot of reboots, they don't seem to have any effect
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• 187[01:42:49] <dummybird> I did originally try to create some Sun filesystem/partition on there, ZFS or whatever, but i've long since deleted that
• 188[01:43:32] <dummybird> fdisk -l for /dev/sdb only has /dev/sdb1 listed
• 189[01:43:45] <dummybird> and type says "linux filesystem"
• 190[01:43:58] <dummybird> which i assume means unformatted
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• 193[01:45:25] <dvs> dummybird, what does "mount" print?
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• 195[01:46:18] <dummybird> oh boy, its a lot
• 196[01:46:28] <dummybird> nothing /dev/sdb* related
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• 199[01:46:46] <dummybird> though i do see an entry for /vmzpool which doesn't make sense
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• 206[01:49:54] <dummybird> "vmzpool on /vmzpool type zfs (rw,xattr,noacl)
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• 208[01:51:19] <dummybird> i typed "umount /vmzpool" and that returned a fresh line, then i tried mkfs again, but still got the in use error
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• 219[01:58:45] <dirac1> Hello guys i have a doub. Lately, configuring network on debian (not the regular network, i'm talking about bridging, vlans and throughtput limitation) it should be done using the iproute2 set or keep using the old configuration files(/network/*)?
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• 221[01:59:24] <dirac1> s/set/suite
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• 230[02:06:13] <dummybird> no more thoughts? :-(
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• 232[02:07:47] <dummybird> i wonder if it would make a difference if i moved the drive to another system and blanked it and then put it back?
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• 271[02:41:00] <dummybird> can anyone recommend another resource for finding a solution to my formatting issue?
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• 273[02:41:27] <dvs> gparted?
• 274[02:42:59] <dummybird> this machine is command line only, the only thing installed is proxmox, and thats not even really intended to be accessed locally
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• 279[02:46:07] <coruja> as proxmox is not debian and so not supportable here, why don't you ask them for support?
• 280[02:46:24] <coruja> !proxmox
• 281[02:46:24] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 290[02:48:18] <dummybird> i'm sorry, i thought debian based meant this would be the right place, i'm new to all of this, reference the handle i chose, my apologies
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• 294[02:49:45] <johnfg> hi guys
• 295[02:49:51] <johnfg> Have a new install of stretch.
• 296[02:49:57] <dvs> yay
• 297[02:50:24] <johnfg> Anyone know if the wordpress pkg is set up for being the homepage for a website?
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• 343[03:20:34] <chillfan> Hey. I've found a bug that triggers stack smashing protection.. should this be filed under severity: critical?
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• 345[03:21:41] <chillfan> just a bug at this point, don't know if it's an actual security issue
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• 351[03:25:49] <chillfan> Just wondering if I should bump it to critical as it triggers SSP
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• 354[03:27:49] <awal1> chillfan, which pkg are you talking about?
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• 357[03:28:40] <chillfan> it's the eboard package
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• 359[03:28:58] <chillfan> chess board/fics client
• 360[03:29:40] <chillfan> perhaps it's just misbehaving, but I wouldn't like to file it as normal/important if it should go to grave/critical
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• 364[03:34:23] <awal1> chillfan, pkg maintainer will consider if the severity you put is convenient anyway
• 365[03:34:45] <awal1> just report your bug if you think it is necessary
• 366[03:34:50] <chillfan> ok
• 367[03:35:04] <awal1> which branch is?
• 368[03:35:07] <chillfan> stable
• 369[03:35:37] <awal1> that is a game, ok
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• 379[03:47:00] <chillfan> Oh, well.. I have confirmation of it, but I can't see the bug report yet
• 380[03:47:17] <chillfan> guess it has to go through a spam filter
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• 382[03:47:43] <awal1> whait a few minutes
• 383[03:48:17] <chillfan> ok cool
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• 394[03:54:53] <chillfan> ok sorted, thanks
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• 396[03:55:12] <awal1> what is your bug nº?
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• 402[03:57:52] <chillfan> #893167
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• 407[04:01:58] <lisa61095> How do I install a specific package during the debian installer? I need to install network-manager and firmware-linux-nonfree, and need to do it during the install while I have a wireless network connection. Is there a way to select specific packages to install within the Debian installer? Or can I somehow get to a shell after the tasksel part and use apt?
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• 409[04:02:36] <lisa61095> (To be clear, I can't install anything after reboot into the fresh install - I need to find out how to install things from within the debian installer, outside of what's offered in tasksel)
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• 411[04:03:24] <chillfan> debootstrap is an option but I think you can use the images with the firmware included to get an install with the firmware-linux-nonfree package (iirc)
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• 414[04:03:47] <chillfan> if they are still around.. don't know where you'd find them though
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• 420[04:04:38] <chillfan> replaced-url
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• 422[04:04:54] <lisa61095> chiluk: I know about the nonfree firmware CD, but (a) it wouldn't work on my laptop and (b) it still wouldn't solve my problem - because there are several other packages like network-manager, wireless-tools, etc that I need to install before finishing installer
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• 424[04:05:32] <lisa61095> Is there a way to install a specific package during the install, or is tasksel the only option
• 425[04:05:49] <chillfan> hm normal would be for it to include those, especially if you let tasksel run.. otherwise you'll need to debootstrap your own
• 426[04:06:01] <lisa61095> Like, if I want to install network-manager while Debian Installer is running, how would I install only that package?
• 427[04:06:22] <chillfan> you could try deselecting all tasksel options there.. like, leave the whole thing blank.. then just hit enter, that might do it but I haven't tried
• 428[04:06:52] <chillfan> I don't think you can do that, it's that or invoking debootstrap on your own
• 429[04:07:10] <chillfan> which you can do if you drop to a shell
• 430[04:08:16] <chillfan> hmm before you finish the install.. you could chroot it
• 431[04:08:19] <lisa61095> yeah, I do want to install the "standard system utilities" tasksel, but none of the others. network-manager is included in the "debian desktop environment" tasksel, but I don't want all of that - just network-manager
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• 433[04:09:03] <chillfan> drop to the shell after base install and do mount -o bind /sys /target/sys; mount -o bind /dev /target/dev; mount -t proc proc /target/proc; chroot /target
• 434[04:09:15] <chillfan> then apt-get update; apt-get install network-manager wireless-tools
• 435[04:09:58] <chillfan> then exit the chroot, umount /target/proc etc and continue as usual (without tasksel)
• 436[04:10:15] <chillfan> that's probably the easiest way to get round it anyway
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• 438[04:11:10] <lisa61095> yeah that's what I was looking for! thanks :) ... but how do I drop to a shell at the end?
• 439[04:11:28] <lisa61095> like, I want to run tasksel, let everything install, and then run some commands after everything else is done?
• 440[04:11:31] <chillfan> ctrl+alt+f2 and ctrl+alt+f1 will bring you back to the installer
• 441[04:11:44] <lisa61095> purrfect! thanks so much
• 442[04:11:50] <Sir_Designer> -12 i 7 minut
• 443[04:11:58] <Sir_Designer> sorry
• 444[04:12:00] <chillfan> just do it after the taskel part then
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• 447[04:12:21] <chillfan> since /target will still be mounted (the installer isn't finished with installing grub)
• 448[04:12:45] <lisa61095> so I won't need to do the mount commands then?
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• 450[04:12:59] <lisa61095> would I just need to chroot into it?
• 451[04:13:05] <chillfan> you will, but only after tasksel
• 452[04:13:11] <lisa61095> ok will try now
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• 454[04:13:42] <chillfan> ok, do so carefully, remember to umount /target/proc, /target/dev, /target/sys before you drop back to the installer
• 455[04:13:58] <chillfan> since it's not aware that stuff is mounted
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• 460[04:18:36] <chillfan> you mostly need to mount those so the running system will have access to /dev etc, that way apt will work inside the chroot
• 461[04:18:48] <chillfan> so the target system*
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• 470[04:24:05] <rpifan> chillfan,
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• 473[04:25:12] <chillfan> hey rpifan
• 474[04:25:37] <allenyk> Hello, I installed debian on an android device with linuxdeploy. And nearly all the harewares can be detected under /dev except camera. Is there anyway to make camera work under linuxdeploy?
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• 476[04:26:03] <rpifan> sup fan
• 477[04:26:19] <chillfan> not much fan, you
• 478[04:26:38] <allenyk> Hello, I installed debian on an android device with
• 479[04:26:39] <allenyk> linuxdeploy. And nearly all the harewares can be detected
• 480[04:26:39] <allenyk> under /dev except camera. Is there anyway to make camera work
• 481[04:26:39] <allenyk> under linuxdeploy?
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• 517[05:02:26] <lisa61095> chillfan - when I try to do mount -t proc proc /target/proc I get "mounting /proc on /target/proc failed: device or resource busy"
• 518[05:02:55] <chillfan> lisa61095: perhaps it's already mounted on /target/proc
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• 520[05:03:17] <chillfan> chroot it and see how it goes
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• 522[05:03:19] <lisa61095> oh, yeah duh lol -- I just checked output of mount and you're right
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• 531[05:16:23] <lisa61095> chillfan <---- win .... thanks - what you suggested worked perfectly - I was able to install everything I needed between tasksel and grub install:)
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• 533[05:17:03] <chillfan> great, glad to hear that works
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• 541[05:20:52] <lisa61095> yeah, it's good to know how to do, but I think it would be really helpful to just include a step in the installer before/after tasksel that lets you select specific packages to install ... anyways, thanks again - have a good night/day
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• 552[05:37:56] <_Strix_> hello
• 553[05:38:08] <AnAceFace> Hi
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• 560[05:44:21] <AnAceFace> Ok
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• 573[05:57:50] <levifig> is there a way to automatically remount nfs shares when they unmount themselves, e.g. nfs server host reboots, etc… ?
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• 576[06:01:44] <somiaj> Unsure of any tool, but you could have cron peridocaily check if it is mounted, and if it is not, maybe ping then mount or somethig like that.
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• 581[06:04:56] <black_13_> is there a way to emulate an arm system on qemu
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• 583[06:06:37] <somiaj> yes
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• 593[06:28:42] <levifig> somiaj, I'll look into that... Thank you :)
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• 595[06:30:49] <black_13_> somiaj: could you provide some details
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• 597[06:32:44] <somiaj> black_13_: like what? You should be able to install an os on an arm vm. I have also seen guides on using qemu-static to run/build arm binaries without having to use a full vm.
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• 630[06:56:39] <lennart_> Debian is really great!
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• 635[06:57:56] <lennart_> this is my first us of IRC
• 636[06:58:34] <lennart_> I use Hexchat and don't see any message from others
• 637[06:58:50] <lennart_> please send something
• 638[06:58:59] <alkisg> Good morning lennart_
• 639[06:59:06] <alkisg> Use a better username next time :)
• 640[06:59:25] <lennart_> Hello alkisg
• 641[06:59:49] <lennart_> What is wrong with Lennart
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• 643[07:00:37] <lennart_> I love Lennart Poettering!! :)
• 644[07:01:10] <lennart_> IRC is really bullshit!!
• 645[07:01:38] <hakerx1> irc is best place ...
• 646[07:01:44] <lennart_> mailing list is the technology I always use
• 647[07:01:51] <hakerx1> and small trolls we eat ...
• 648[07:02:40] * hakerx1 Yawn Shine.
• 649[07:03:01] <UnregisteredScum> Has anyone managed to get suspend to work with a Nvidia card (in particular, the 10XX series)? Just wondering whether to pull it out and use the integrated Intel HD 4600 instead.
• 650[07:03:29] <UnregisteredScum> Thus far, can only get hibernate to work, suspend results in no output on the displays.
• 651[07:03:29] <lennart_> IRC does not have even archive of past messages, what the fuck is this shit!
• 652[07:03:37] <hakerx1> dumb fuck
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• 654[07:03:40] <hakerx1> there is log system
• 655[07:03:41] <hakerx1> ...
• 656[07:03:46] <lennart_> where?
• 657[07:03:50] <hakerx1> RFTM
• 658[07:03:56] <hakerx1> THE FUCKING MANUAL>
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• 661[07:06:23] <wreo> hostility is in the air
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• 669[07:10:06] <lennart_> I found it: replaced-url
• 670[07:10:26] <lennart_> is there an official log archive?
• 671[07:11:05] <wreo> Look in the topic bar
• 672[07:11:36] <wreo> replaced-url
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• 680[07:13:26] <wreo> abff, I was talking to lennart_ about an official log archive
• 681[07:13:57] <abff> impressive
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• 685[07:14:45] <abff> 2004/09/09 was pretty boring
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• 688[07:15:37] <wreo> Lol, only two joins and no messages
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• 690[07:16:02] <lennart_> Its not matter it has a log archive or not, IRC is for children! why don't stop it and use only mailing lists like adult people?
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• 704[07:18:33] * hakerx1 will not waste effort on children who no idea that irc been since 90s...
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• 708[07:19:18] <wreo> This site is a lot cooler than I thought replaced-url
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• 713[07:24:08] <lennart_> I never saw IRC messages in replaced-url
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• 955[11:02:34] <sine0> stretch. how do i bring network up and down
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• 959[11:03:11] <julius> hi
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• 962[11:03:28] <julius> whats the "main" package for qt4 that installs most of the rest?
• 963[11:05:33] <julius> uh
• 964[11:05:40] <julius> looks like libqtgui4 did the tick
• 965[11:05:42] <julius> trick
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• 978[11:12:43] <mend0> so how come the devs are supporting microsoft?
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• 984[11:15:18] <tecneeq> sine0: systemctl stop/start networking
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• 986[11:15:25] <tecneeq> sine0: i think ;)
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• 994[11:18:00] <Sveta> During apt upgrade I ran out of disk space. Instead of bailing out it continued to unpack (into nowhere). Known bug? How to check all my installed packages for that all their files are present on the fs and have the correct size?
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• 1002[11:21:08] <tecneeq> the fsck did i just paste?
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• 1010[11:24:51] <dutchfish> Sveta, no, it just goes until all memory is consumed adn alot of dirty writes is accumulated, then it bails out.
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• 1013[11:26:37] <waydot> *sigh* ... is it possible to override systemd service settings?
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• 1015[11:26:50] <waydot> eg ... i have /lib/systemd/system/certbot.service which clearly isnt working
• 1016[11:27:12] <waydot> and the right thing shouldnt be to edit that file
• 1017[11:27:13] <dutchfish> waydot, read about disabling systemd services, are you sure you want that?
• 1018[11:27:25] <waydot> i dont want to disable it, i want to alter it
• 1019[11:27:49] <dutchfish> waydot, well, you can. But should you?
• 1020[11:28:16] <waydot> it doesnt work, i want to fix it
• 1021[11:28:38] <dutchfish> waydot, if it is a bug, file it, then dget -x the package and possibly fix it?
• 1022[11:29:08] <waydot> *sigh*
• 1023[11:29:17] <waydot> in the past, you edited one crontab
• 1024[11:29:28] <dutchfish> waydot, i am just trying to help you .... but a little more info would help
• 1025[11:29:31] <waydot> today, it's on a level political campaign
• 1026[11:30:00] <waydot> i'm trying to make it simple
• 1027[11:30:08] <dutchfish> waydot, what is the problem?
• 1028[11:30:15] <waydot> service is run via timer
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• 1030[11:30:21] <dutchfish> ok
• 1031[11:30:27] <waydot> ie, the same as a cron job
• 1032[11:30:31] <waydot> it runs a command
• 1033[11:30:45] <waydot> that command is in the /lib/systemd...service file
• 1034[11:30:49] <waydot> i want to change that command
• 1035[11:31:14] <waydot> and i want the changes to persist across updates, therefore i want to do it properly rather than fixing something in /lib
• 1036[11:32:04] <dutchfish> waydot, i dont know exactly what your service does, but have looked at the unit file?
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• 1038[11:32:24] <dutchfish> waydot, you can create custom unit files fyi
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• 1041[11:33:24] <dutchfish> waydot, it is explained in the the systemd docs
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• 1043[11:33:38] <dutchfish> waydot, chapter 9.6
• 1044[11:34:19] <waydot> i'm reading fedora docs now, because i couldn't find official documentation, other than developer's blog
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• 1046[11:34:45] <dutchfish> waydot, replaced-url
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• 1048[11:35:54] <dutchfish> waydot, if you want to roll your own, this might be helpfull replaced-url
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• 1052[11:37:08] <waydot> thanks
• 1053[11:37:19] <waydot> this hints at what one should do: replaced-url
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• 1055[11:37:24] <dutchfish> yw
• 1056[11:37:25] <waydot> under "Modifying existing systemd services
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• 1058[11:37:46] <waydot> basically it seems you need to copy (that is never explicitly stated) the file from /lib to /etc
• 1059[11:37:49] <waydot> and then make the changes
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• 1061[11:38:09] <waydot> nothing personal, it's just that imho this piece of software is the biggest blunder in OS development since windows 95
• 1062[11:38:16] <dutchfish> waydot, yes, depends on what you want. My flow is normally dget-x the package, adapt it, build it, install it. That way you dont mess up the system (package manager)
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• 1065[11:39:03] <dutchfish> waydot, systemd is prolly here to stay, so learn it, adapt it, ommit it, whatever you want. It is open source ;)
• 1066[11:39:06] <waydot> oh, you do it that way; it seems a bit of an overkill for my needs, but it does allow you to make more modifications
• 1067[11:40:00] <dutchfish> waydot, ones, you played a bit with it and have a deeper unerstanding, maybe you gone like it too, to some degree.
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• 1069[11:40:09] <dutchfish> understanding*
• 1070[11:40:35] <dutchfish> waydot, it has good and bad things inside, it is all up to you how to coop with it.
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• 1072[11:41:05] <dutchfish> waydot, so learn it, is my advice.
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• 1074[11:42:01] <dutchfish> waydot, and you always can disable/enable things without breaking the distro.
• 1075[11:43:00] <dutchfish> waydot, or even write your own service packages, as i did a few times :)
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• 1078[11:43:47] <dutchfish> waydot, sorry for the long rant
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• 1085[11:48:22] <waydot> not a problem ;)
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• 1087[11:49:37] <waydot> if things need changing i tend to try a minimalistic approach - make as few changes as possible, which in turn makes upgrading easier; the frustration comes from seeing the increase in required administration ;)
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• 1089[11:50:03] <waydot> especially coming from bsd background where all you need to do is change two lines in /etc/rc.conf
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• 1091[11:50:35] <BluesKaj> ;Morning folks
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• 1096[11:51:38] <dutchfish> waydot, well, it boils down to, how much i really need an alteration on this. Most of the time disabling is enough for me, sometimes i really really need a different approach, then i alter it or roll my own. To some degree this seams more work, but looking back at the past, the workflow is much cleaner.....
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• 1100[11:52:32] <dutchfish> waydot, and once my package is build i can deploy it on any of my systems, that s a huge timesaver.
• 1101[11:53:55] <dutchfish> waydot, if you goe mess with the Debian system, the debian new maintainers guide is a must read.
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• 1103[11:54:19] <dutchfish> waydot, anyway, good luck
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• 1105[11:54:54] <waydot> thanks :)
• 1106[11:54:58] <waydot> you too ;)
• 1107[11:55:04] <dutchfish> :)
• 1108[11:55:12] <waydot> i made the changes as per instructions, i'll see if they work ;)
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• 1165[12:24:13] <dethegeek> hello there
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• 1168[12:25:12] <dethegeek> I'm having a problem with a Proxmox instance. After an upgrade, my LXC containers no longer start. It seems I need to downgrade apparmor, but the previous version of the packages are no longer in my cache
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• 1170[12:25:37] <dethegeek> Where can I find them ? (stretch, aparmor 2.11.0-3+deb9u2 => 2.11.0-3
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• 1174[12:29:54] <dutchfish> dethegeek, replaced-url
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• 1176[12:31:02] <dutchfish> or replaced-url
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• 1179[12:32:14] <dethegeek> yes ! dutchfish yhank you very much I forgot about this resource
• 1180[12:32:30] <dutchfish> yw :)
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• 1241[13:18:28] <ksk> !tell DementedShaman about proxmox ;)
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• 1243[13:18:43] <ksk> eh sorry dude, I failed that one
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• 1246[13:19:43] <ksk> also, dpkg does not like a trailing ";)"
• 1247[13:19:51] <dvs> about a new hard drive?
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• 1283[13:36:28] <daggs1> Greetings, got a question, I've installed debian stable (9.4 I think) and I was wondering how does the os behaves on lack of network at boot and the when it is available on later stage, will the boot continue? will the os connect to the net once it is up?
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• 1288[13:37:35] <DementedShaman> ksk?
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• 1291[13:39:06] <abrotman> daggs1: yes, it will still boot
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• 1293[13:40:22] <daggs1> abrotman: so the boot flow will continue until lets say login and when the eth link will be up, the os will request ip and connect to it?
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• 1301[13:44:11] <abrotman> daggs1: generally, yes .. you can alter the config to make it not do that
• 1302[13:44:50] <abrotman> daggs1: are you having some troubles?
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• 1304[13:46:16] <daggs1> abrotman: no, I'm planing getting a system which will run my router in a vm, so I want to make sure that the boot won't stop and the host os will get ip as soon as the router vm is up and running
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• 1355[14:17:12] <Zolee> Hi, What is the difference between these two: replaced-url
• 1356[14:17:35] <Zolee> I'd like to install live Gnome version of Debian testing
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• 1366[14:21:07] <Nezoriel> Hey, maybe any one can say me what this means? gnome-settings-[699]: failed to connect to device: Failed to connect to missing device /org/freedesktop/ColorManager/devices/cups_HL_2130_series
• 1367[14:21:08] <abrotman> Zolee: Do you want a live distro, or an actual installation?
• 1368[14:21:26] <Nezoriel> i have this printer but its not on at the moment is this the problem?
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• 1370[14:22:18] <Zolee> I want an installation but from a live system
• 1371[14:22:34] <Zolee> abrotman: Mush easyer for me
• 1372[14:22:44] <Zolee> *mush=much
• 1373[14:22:52] <abrotman> why?
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• 1377[14:23:30] <abrotman> Zolee: ultimately, shouldn't matter which installer you use, the end result should be the same
• 1378[14:23:32] <Zolee> I don't have to choose a couple of thing at the installation stage, just download the gnome version and that's it
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• 1383[14:23:56] <Nezoriel> and another question, what is the meaning for this. gnome-session[1036]: gnome-session-binary[1036]: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
• 1384[14:24:00] <Nezoriel> many thanks
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• 1386[14:24:28] <Zolee> So is there a difference between the two?
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• 1389[14:25:22] <abrotman> one is alpha1, one is a weekly build .. yes there's a difference
• 1390[14:25:32] <abrotman> again, pick one, the end result should be the same
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• 1392[14:26:08] <Zolee> Last question: What's the difference between alpha1 and weekly build?
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• 1394[14:26:44] <abrotman> one is weekly, one was released as alpha1 ..
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• 1396[14:27:17] <abrotman> The Fear of Choice :)
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• 1399[14:28:24] <Zolee> thanks
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• 1493[15:25:27] <okamis_> apt-cache policy samba, gives me a candidate version 2:4. Where Do I find sambas actual version? the 4.5?
• 1494[15:26:02] <bazhang> ,v samba
• 1495[15:26:03] <okamis_> Im trying to find which samba version I would get If I would install it. Cause Im installing it on docker and want to give it an appropriate tag
• 1496[15:26:03] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-2
• 1497[15:26:48] <apollo13> okamis_: the candidate version tells you exactly that
• 1498[15:26:53] <apollo13> and generally it says more than 2:4
• 1499[15:26:58] <apollo13> ie 2:4.7.4+dfsg-2
• 1500[15:27:06] <apollo13> which should be pretty clear which version that is ;)
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• 1502[15:27:47] <okamis_> apollo13: it seems to me that 2.4.xxx is what debian packages it like. But the smbd -v gives 4.5xxx
• 1503[15:28:03] <okamis_> So Im assuming that 4.5 is teh correct version
• 1504[15:28:25] <apollo13> 2:4.7.4+dfsg-2 is clearly 4.7.4
• 1505[15:28:31] <apollo13> 2: is just the epoch or whatever
• 1506[15:28:37] <okamis_> AAh, thank you :D
• 1507[15:28:49] <apollo13> [epoch:]upstream_version[-debian_revision]
• 1508[15:28:54] <okamis_> What is epoch?
• 1509[15:29:10] <apollo13> yet another version number
• 1510[15:29:18] <apollo13> ie if at some point samba were a different program
• 1511[15:29:29] <apollo13> and debian decided to switch the samba package to what it is now
• 1512[15:29:37] <apollo13> and the old program was already at version 10
• 1513[15:29:46] <apollo13> how would you ever get an upgrade to a newer version?
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• 1516[15:31:39] <okamis_> Thank you for the explanation
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• 1582[16:12:09] <johnfg> hi guys
• 1583[16:12:24] <bazhang> hi
• 1584[16:12:33] <johnfg> Gonna install either mysql or mariadb on this new install of stretch this morning.
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• 1586[16:13:37] <johnfg> One thing I read recommends installing through "...pre-reconfigured official MySQL repositories"
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• 1588[16:14:20] <johnfg> Is that what is recommended here too? I note, through apt search, that we've got mysql-server and mysql-client anyway.
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• 1591[16:16:05] <bites> recommended is usually going with what the debian repos provide. debian offers mariadb 10.1, no mysql.
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• 1594[16:17:31] <bites> mysql-server ist a transitional package for legacy reasons. it will install mariadb
• 1595[16:18:18] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
• 1596[16:18:19] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.22.0+dfsg1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; sid: 3.13.0+dfsg-1; buster: 3.19.0+dfsg-1; sid: 3.19.0+dfsg-1
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• 1598[16:19:20] <johnfg> I've always used mysql, since way back, so all of my databases are mysql.
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• 1600[16:19:53] <johnfg> I see that mysql itself has a pretty extensive doc about installing their repo, and installing their software.
• 1601[16:21:01] <bites> and your databases don't work with mariadb as a drop-in replacement?
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• 1607[16:24:23] <Krennic> <---------- using debian mate :)
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• 1618[16:28:48] <johnfg> bites: I'm sure they would. Is the idea, I guess like most of debian, to avoid the proprietary or 2nd party stuff, like mysql being part of oracle?
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• 1626[16:32:49] <mnuhmnuh_> debtags tagsearch sql # mariadb fits into suite::mysql - MySQL slot.
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• 1633[16:35:20] <mnuhmnuh_> johnfg: it was upstream that forked mysql, or just evolved there, and debian followed.
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• 1637[16:37:24] <mnuhmnuh_> i've used a commercial x server and commercial office suite on debian, pre-xorg & openoffice. no prob.
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• 1647[16:39:24] <johnfg> mnuhmnuh_: Do you prefer openoffice to libreoffice?
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• 1651[16:40:21] <abrotman> openoffice is sort of dead, use libreoffice
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• 1653[16:40:50] <johnfg> abrotman: I do, on all linuxes.
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• 1655[16:41:35] <johnfg> abrotman: Unfortunately, some things are still better with the Microsoft Office, particularly powerpoint for song presentations.
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• 1657[16:42:17] <johnfg> We tried libreoffice for over a year, but it just wasn't able to duplicate/imitate what powerpoint does.
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• 1659[16:43:11] <jhutchins> johnfg: You might want to look at Percona instead of Maria. Maria is going it's own direction, Percona is committed to compatibility with MySQL.
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• 1663[16:44:05] <abrotman> Just use PostgreSQL :)
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• 1667[16:44:31] <abrotman> johnfg: I seem to recall other apps for doing slide decks and publications
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• 1680[16:50:22] <johnfg> jhutchins: Do you think that debian will go to Percona eventually then?
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• 1684[16:52:06] <mnuhmnuh_> johnfg: debian will go to? they're parallel.
• 1685[16:53:12] <detha> abrotman: postgres is a fairly different beast from mysql
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• 1687[16:54:04] <mnuhmnuh_> percona looks like tools for working w mysql.
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• 1714[17:12:02] <Balabeet> Hi, Can you help me. I can't find gksu opackage. Why?
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• 1717[17:12:52] <bazhang> ,v gksu
• 1718[17:12:53] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.2-6; jessie: 2.0.2-9; sid: 2.0.2-9+b1; stretch: 2.0.2-9+b1
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• 1723[17:13:32] <petn-randall> wawrek: sid is not a releas as such; it's the staging area for the upcoming release, so receives only minimal testing. I'd personally use Debian stable, and if you need anything newer, you can use a sid chroot or a docker instance.
• 1724[17:13:33] <bites> Balabeet: please paste the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gksu to paste.debian.net
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• 1726[17:15:05] <wawrek> petn-randall: thank you for this. they seem to be a little bit behind regarding package (kernel) versions
• 1727[17:15:22] <Balabeet> bites: Because it's not english I tell you: gksu: Installed : (none) Highlighted: (none) Versiontable:
• 1728[17:15:28] <Balabeet> that's it
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• 1730[17:16:08] <jelly> !localized errors
• 1731[17:16:08] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 1734[17:17:32] <bites> Balabeet: need the exact output of both commands in english ^
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• 1742[17:20:58] <Balabeet> I can't choose language. I did LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
• 1743[17:21:21] <bites> that's not what we asked you for.
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• 1745[17:21:35] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 1746[17:21:36] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc5-686-pae (4.16~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1747[17:21:37] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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• 1749[17:22:06] <petn-randall> wawrek: If you mean stable with 'they', there's always stretch-backports you can use to get newer kernels.
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• 1751[17:22:52] <bites> Balabeet: LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gksu and paste it to paste.debian.net
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• 1755[17:24:24] <Balabeet_> replaced-url
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• 1758[17:25:04] <bites> Balabeet_: i gave you the exact line to run.
• 1759[17:25:18] <Balabeet_> That's what I typed
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• 1762[17:25:25] <bites> Balabeet: LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gksu and paste it to paste.debian.net
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• 1772[17:26:47] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: You forgot the part 'apt-cache policy'.
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• 1775[17:27:19] <Balabeet_> replaced-url
• 1776[17:27:20] <wawrek> petn-randall: I thought about kernels. Moreover, Fedora has a reputation of a bleeding-edge distro. I thought that a comparable distro would have been debian's sid.
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• 1778[17:27:32] <wawrek> kernels are just one example
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• 1780[17:27:49] <wawrek> this to say that fedora is a good comparison
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• 1788[17:30:44] <petn-randall> wawrek: Do you want a bleeding edge OS or a stable one? You get to choose one.
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• 1795[17:31:52] <bites> Balabeet_: gksu has been removed from buster due to it being deprecated.
• 1796[17:31:54] <petn-randall> wawrek: If you use a chroot, you get the best of both worlds; a reliable OS and bleeding edge software.
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• 1798[17:32:47] <bites> #867236
• 1799[17:32:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1801[17:33:09] <Balabeet_> So I can't run Nautilus as sudoer?
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• 1807[17:34:18] <Balabeet_> Synaptic also doesn't run
• 1808[17:34:26] <Balabeet_> What's going on?
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• 1810[17:34:43] <Balabeet_> I've just installed Debian
• 1811[17:35:05] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: Have you read the bug report yet?
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• 1813[17:35:53] <Balabeet_> Yes. Are there any connection with Synaptic?
• 1814[17:36:29] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: Is it run via gksu or gksudo?
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• 1816[17:36:44] <bites> you can use the nautilus-admin package, which add functionality to nautilus.
• 1817[17:36:46] <Balabeet_> Debian would be my choice of desktop OS, if it worked but it never works. I try it every year fro 10 years
• 1818[17:37:07] <Balabeet_> petn-randall: It is run by clickin on its icon
• 1819[17:37:23] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: You installed buster, which isn't even released yet. I don't know how you come to the conclusion that it should work in any way.
• 1820[17:37:24] <Balabeet_> Is part of the system by default
• 1821[17:37:27] <BCMM> i'm running kde plasma on sid and generally impressed with how much it all "just works"
• 1822[17:37:36] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: If you want a working system, install stable (stretch).
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• 1826[17:38:06] <Balabeet_> petn-randall: More distibutions are based on Buster than on stable based on distrowatch's information
• 1827[17:38:17] <Balabeet_> petn-randall: Outdated
• 1828[17:38:21] <bites> those do extra work.
• 1829[17:38:24] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: Also, if you have difficulties figuring out why packages aren't in the repos, or what command is run when you click on an icon, you might be better off with stable.
• 1830[17:38:34] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: We prefer the term 'well-tested'.
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• 1834[17:39:16] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: distrowatch doesn't get to decide what distro is released or not. Debian says that buster is *unreleased*, and that means that it can break at any time without warning. That's why we have stable.
• 1835[17:39:27] <petn-randall> !based on
• 1836[17:39:27] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 1837[17:39:34] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: Also relevant ^^^
• 1838[17:40:01] <Balabeet_> petn-randall: :) it's like. There isn't big noses just well developed
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• 1842[17:40:35] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: We don't care much if other distros makes bad decisions, they get to keep the maintenance work and any disappointed users they create in the process.
• 1843[17:40:55] <petn-randall> Balabeet_: No idea what you're trying to tell me with that info.
• 1844[17:41:13] <Balabeet_> petn-randall: Doesn't matter
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• 1894[18:02:31] <foxly> trying to share a network folder - have it working with samba and followed this to auto-mount: replaced-url
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• 1904[18:05:56] <zodd> foxly, mounts are always root privileged
• 1905[18:06:11] <zodd> what is it what you want to accomplish
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• 1907[18:06:50] <foxly> Trying to get it to mount when the system starts
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• 1909[18:07:55] <foxly> I edited fstab and it should in dolphin, but can't access it because it's not mounted
• 1910[18:08:08] <foxly> so I'm missing something, that's probably obvious
• 1911[18:08:43] <zodd> dolphin?
• 1912[18:08:54] <foxly> filebrowser
• 1913[18:09:00] <zodd> have you checked logs?
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• 1915[18:09:14] <elios> rw,user,auto 0 0 ?
• 1916[18:09:23] <zodd> try to verify/check things in the console
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• 1918[18:09:46] <foxly> I'll look that up, thanks!
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• 1973[18:36:47] <johnfg> Is there a flag to either apt, apt-get, aptitude, etc., that when used along with a search, shows you whether or not a pkg is installed?
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• 1989[18:40:23] <Tom_-> johnfg, i don't know, but you can try dpkg -l packagename
• 1990[18:40:27] <Tom_-> to see if it's installed or not
• 1991[18:40:37] <johnfg> Tom_-: thanks!
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• 2000[18:49:14] <johnfg> i guess I should ask this as well: what's the cmd to find the most current version of a pkg? E.g., php?
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• 2005[18:52:11] <Tom_-> apt-cache show pkg | grep Version
• 2006[18:53:13] <bites> apt-cache policy <pkg>
• 2007[18:54:15] <johnfg> Thanks again!
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• 2026[19:05:03] <mnuhmnuh_> johnfg: aptitude search $blah | grep ^i
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• 2054[19:27:19] <ejr> no matter which player i use, video sound/video is almost always desynchronous. each player gives several possible reasons for that, never naming one specific. what could be the reason, what should I look into? I don't just want to randomly install drivers or plugins without knowing what exactly I need
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• 2092[19:51:50] <johnfg> similar question about wordpress. Is it better to install our pkg(s) via apt, than install from wordpress?
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• 2097[19:53:36] <home_almost> better or not i dont know. somehow i find it easier to use apt
• 2098[19:56:08] <vlt> johnfg: From apt you get security fixes. Installing something yourself means you have to take care.
• 2099[19:56:53] <home_almost> vlt: nice tip!
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• 2116[20:07:50] <Krennic> hmm
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• 2123[20:15:06] <plutes> help
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• 2125[20:15:58] <home_almost> ok
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• 2127[20:16:52] <plutes> hey guys whats the command to find channels, im looking for parrot os irc
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• 2130[20:17:55] <home_almost> hmm vincent was asking the same
• 2131[20:18:05] <home_almost> what irc do you use?
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• 2134[20:18:38] <LtL> plutes: /msg alis list parrot
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• 2136[20:18:55] <plutes> home_almost, hex
• 2137[20:19:03] <plutes> LtL, thanks mate
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• 2139[20:19:14] <LtL> plutes: welcome
• 2140[20:19:40] <home_almost> parrot is like kali?
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• 2163[20:30:40] <Wafficus> hey there guys, I want to dual boot on separate harddrives: one with Windows 10 (currently in use), and the new harddrive with a fresh Debian install. Is this possible with GRUB?
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• 2167[20:32:41] <petn-randall> Wafficus: Sure.
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• 2169[20:34:41] <home_almost> keep it in that order than it will work :)
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• 2173[20:36:31] <Wafficus> Gotcha, so I got windows on my rig right now
• 2174[20:36:46] <Wafficus> just buy the new harddrive, load the flashdrive containing debian
• 2175[20:36:50] <Wafficus> and then install it on the new drive right?
• 2176[20:37:00] <Wafficus> do I have to install GRUB AFTERWARDS or during the same install?
• 2177[20:37:05] <home_almost> yep
• 2178[20:37:33] <home_almost> both can work, but during install is most convenient
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• 2181[20:40:38] <petn-randall> Wafficus: Is your windows 10 installation on UEFI or legacy bios?
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• 2185[20:45:20] <Wafficus> not sure honestly
• 2186[20:45:28] <Wafficus> can I check that with "System" in Control Panel?
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• 2188[20:46:55] <Wafficus> got it
• 2189[20:46:57] <Wafficus> it's Legacy
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• 2192[20:48:41] <petn-randall> Wafficus: Ideally, if your machine is half-way current, I'd reinstall Windows 10 in UEFI mode, then do the same for Debian. It's because grub is much more robus that way (can't get overwritten by Windows).
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• 2199[20:51:16] <home_almost> so you can reinstall windows anytime when needed without braking grub?
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• 2202[20:53:01] <petn-randall> home_almost: Pretty much, yeah.
• 2203[20:53:18] <petn-randall> home_almost: Windows might set itself as default boot entry in UEFI, but you can simply change that back.
• 2204[20:53:20] <home_almost> cool! thx
• 2205[20:53:53] <petn-randall> home_almost: In legacy mode you'd have to boot a live system, chroot into your Debian installation and then run update-grub to fix it.
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• 2207[20:54:44] <sami4ak> !keep sami4ak
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• 2215[21:01:24] <Wafficus> yeah I know I might be stubborn
• 2216[21:01:32] <Wafficus> but I don't wanna reinstall windows though
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• 2235[21:14:09] <mnuhmnuh_> what does !keep mean?
• 2236[21:14:46] <psicobra> !keep
• 2237[21:14:53] <petemc> ! generally means negation, not
• 2238[21:15:16] <apollo13> someone seems to be trying to exploit a vuln
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• 2241[21:15:40] <apollo13> at least I have seen a few users going through IRC channels and executing !keep everywhere
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• 2249[21:16:43] <hypn0> they can't be that great if they need to ask :-)
• 2250[21:17:58] <psicobra> this is my first time using debian rather than debian based and im really happy brought my old laptop back to life
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• 2286[21:49:10] <DziamDziam> hey, there is a specific channel for Debian noobs? becouse don't wanna ask here a simple/poor things
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• 2288[21:53:02] <coruja> i don't know any, so don't hesitate to ask here
• 2289[21:54:03] <coruja> !ask
• 2290[21:54:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2292[21:54:29] <petn-randall> DziamDziam: Feel free to ask in here, we'll usually answer the question or at least point you in the right direction (the right tools to use, man pages, etc.)
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• 2298[21:56:54] <mnuhmnuh_> DziamDziam: if you're looking for specific reading material, search wiki.debian.org too
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• 2311[22:02:57] <DziamDziam> can't find audio files to test audio hardware "find / *ogg"
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• 2314[22:04:10] <DziamDziam> for Debian Live 9.4.0 Xfce standard root password is?
• 2315[22:04:41] <tw3k> me thinks you have to set the password somehow
• 2316[22:04:57] <tw3k> i was fooling with an iso lastnight
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• 2319[22:07:54] <DziamDziam> "sudo su -" <- work
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• 2321[22:10:03] <algun|home> Hi. I've noticed my ~/.profile is ineffectual. I am setting the PATH there and as far as I remember, it used to have an effect. Did something change?
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• 2335[22:19:54] <bites> algun|home: bash sources ~/.profile if run as interactive login shell. when you run a bash in a terminal it starts as interactive shell, that is not a login shell. in that case ~/.bashrc gets sourced. read the invocation section in man bash.
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• 2352[22:25:35] <bites> just guessing you are using bash.
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• 2364[22:35:45] <johnfg> I just installed locate, and when I run updatedb as root, I get this error:
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• 2367[22:36:03] <johnfg> /usr/bin/find: '/run/user/1000/gvfs': Permission denied
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• 2372[22:37:58] <jhutchins> johnfg: How did you become root?
• 2373[22:38:05] <johnfg> sudo su -
• 2374[22:38:20] <jhutchins> johnfg: Try sudo -i, or just su -
• 2375[22:38:35] <jhutchins> johnfg: To become root.
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• 2381[22:41:07] <jhutchins> I found out I can disable the menu shortcuts in xfce-terminal, so now I have Alt-E back.
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• 2389[22:45:51] <abrotman> detha: I'm aware, hence why I suggested it
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• 2394[22:53:12] <johnfg> same error after I become root via su -.
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• 2397[22:53:43] <johnfg> same with sudo -i
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• 2416[23:04:18] <bites> johnfg: but does locate still work? it might be fine.
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• 2426[23:11:10] <jhutchins> johnfg: What release are you on?
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• 2429[23:13:39] <jhutchins> johnfg: Try logging in as root on a console.
• 2430[23:13:39] <bites> the error comes from find when it first tries to index all files in your fs. you get the same error running sudo find / > /dev/null it's fine.
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• 2432[23:16:34] <mnuhmnuh_> bites: all recent linux installs have arrived w ~/.bash_profile which then sources ~/.bashrc - ignores bash invocation default behavior.
• 2433[23:16:42] <jhutchins> I'm guessing that as your regular user is logged in, that folder is locked for write, but I find I can ls on it as root.
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• 2435[23:17:13] <debron> Hello. Guys I am having a problem enabling php 7.1 mod for apache2 in debian
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• 2437[23:17:33] <jhutchins> debron: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
• 2438[23:18:29] <bites> mnuhmnuh_: 1) so what is in your ~/.bash_profile on stretch? 2) i didn't ask the question 3) doesn't matter because ~/.profile still doesn't get sourced in that case.
• 2439[23:18:57] <debron> :) I tried to install this version for php because is required for a framework i want to try. But its not compiled by default in debian, so i cloned some other's guy compilation and installed in my system. Everything looks fine, i can do php -v on terminal and get the right version and composer works. The problem is the mod for apache2
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• 2441[23:19:35] <debron> I cant find in repositories the mod for version 7.1, which its normal since its not officially supported on stretch
• 2442[23:20:04] <debron> So apache2 webserver doesnt execute php files
• 2443[23:20:35] <debron> can someone give me some idea to go on?
• 2444[23:20:46] <debron> or should i just try a testing distro?
• 2445[23:21:11] <debron> maybe testing distribution supports higher versions of php
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• 2449[23:23:01] <debron> another thing i did its install libapache2-mod-php package, and it install like a 7.0 php... in phpinfo() i see there is 7.0 version, but in the system with php -v i still seen 7.1
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• 2451[23:23:26] <debron> maybe apache2 is being cheated by this and the real version that is working is 7.1?
• 2452[23:24:02] <debron> sorry for the spam, i wish someone could help.
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• 2460[23:32:12] <jhutchins> debron: Yes, you can upgrade.
• 2461[23:32:28] <jhutchins> !stretch->buster
• 2462[23:32:37] <jhutchins> !stretch -> buster
• 2463[23:32:51] <jhutchins> I guess nobody's written that yet.
• 2464[23:33:20] <jhutchins> debron: First, understand what you're getting into. Testing is supposed to be broken - it's where things go to get fixed for the next release.
• 2465[23:33:46] <jhutchins> debron: It does not get emergency security patches - you have to wait until the release version of the package is patched.
• 2466[23:34:49] <jhutchins> debron: What I've done, what a lot of people do, is set it up as dual-boot. That way when (not if) it breaks, you can at least still run stable and chroot into the testing install when fixes come out.
• 2467[23:34:50] <debron> jhutchins: what happen with all software that i had installed until now? everything will be ugraded?
• 2468[23:35:14] <debron> I see
• 2469[23:35:17] <debron> xD
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• 2471[23:35:44] <jhutchins> debron: Whatever is still available shoudl be upgraded. If it's replaced by something else, that should be replaced. If the upgrade for that package isn't broken (that's rare).
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• 2474[23:36:09] <jhutchins> Must go carve corned beef, l8r
• 2475[23:36:23] <debron> later, thanks
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• 2479[23:38:39] <mnuhmnuh_> bites: 1) . .bashrc, then clobber PATH w what i want 2) didn't think you did. just correcting your confusion re: bash invocation. .bash_profile or .profile will be run. irrelevant?
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• 2481[23:39:27] <nyk> I have debian running on a USB memory stick in a sheevaplug. After the latest update, the boot process does not wait long enough for the UUID of the USB disk to appear. But I finally appeared when I was in the emergency shell. So now I have the USB stick in my laptop, but where do I set the timeout for waiting for the root filesystem to a higher value?
• 2482[23:40:13] <nyk> (Probably not on the USB stick, but the sheevaplug loader...)
• 2483[23:40:22] <DziamDziam> bye...
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• 2491[23:47:11] <bites> mnuhmnuh_: yes, because .bash_profile is already mentioned in the man page and .profile already sources .bashrc. i really don't know what you are trying to correct me on.
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