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65 [00:39:15] <CannedSpinach> what's the best way to install Python 3.6 on Debian?
66 [00:39:23] <CannedSpinach> I've heard a lot of conflicting advice and want to make sure it's done the best way
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68 [00:41:37] <rabbitear_sdf> CannedSpinach: compile it in /usr/local and point the scripts to it, is the best way
69 [00:42:30] <rabbitear_sdf> CannedSpinach: then you have to also pay attention to easy_install and pip too, but still the best way
70 [00:43:11] <CannedSpinach> what about virtualenv?
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93 [00:57:20] <CannedSpinach> wait how come Ubuntu gets Python 3.6 by default and Debian Stretch doesn't
94 [00:57:21] <CannedSpinach> this is BS
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105 [01:02:19] <themill> CannedSpinach: stretch was released before Python 3.6 was released. How would stretch have Python 3.6 at all?
106 [01:03:25] <CannedSpinach> themill: idk I figured the package manager would still offer later Python versions
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110 [01:04:42] <themill> that would be the opposite of what "stable" means.
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112 [01:05:22] <themill> Newer python versions are not compatible with older software; adding a new python interpreter or changing the default python interpreter takes a lot of work
113 [01:05:36] <tweakerDOTio> I have very beefy debian VM's that I am trying to let people use so I can uh....not be dopesick.....like 24 xeon cores with 150GB of ram and a fat pipe..... if any one is interested
114 [01:05:59] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: I'm down
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117 [01:07:06] <tweakerDOTio> rabbit you want me to spin one up real quuick for you
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119 [01:07:39] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: well, when ever you have the time, I'm extremely lazy right now
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121 [01:08:16] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: are you just sad to see the cpu cycles going to waist ?
122 [01:08:25] <tweakerDOTio> no im a drug addict
123 [01:08:30] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: good
124 [01:08:33] <tweakerDOTio> and i need a shot of heroin
125 [01:08:40] <tweakerDOTio> and i have a ton of capacity
126 [01:08:40] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: bad
127 [01:08:43] <tweakerDOTio> so i am getting creative
128 [01:08:45] <tweakerDOTio> i know
129 [01:08:57] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: there are better things on earth
130 [01:08:57] <tweakerDOTio> im high on meth so naturally*** i now need to come down
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132 [01:09:17] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: listen to podcasts
133 [01:09:22] <tweakerDOTio> im aware. but it is my journey and not yours. clearly we are both intelligent people
134 [01:09:25] <andreccosta> now that is one weird way to get people using ... your hardware?!
135 [01:09:45] <tweakerDOTio> ...its my capacity lets just say that
136 [01:09:51] <tweakerDOTio> like legally and shit
137 [01:10:01] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: replaced-url
138 [01:10:28] <tweakerDOTio> i'd rather not reveal my whole hand but I have the capacity prepaid for and its mine and im allowed to use it etc
139 [01:10:47] <andreccosta> for how long?
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141 [01:11:02] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: watch that podcast
142 [01:11:08] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: above
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146 [01:13:46] <tweakerDOTio> rabbit
147 [01:13:51] <tweakerDOTio> i have saved that link
148 [01:13:55] <CannedSpinach> what a strange conversation
149 [01:13:59] <tweakerDOTio> it looks actually interesting
150 [01:14:00] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: youtube-dl it
151 [01:14:00] <tweakerDOTio> and i kow
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154 [01:14:46] <tweakerDOTio> but it just is what it is. im a 29 year old hacker who is good at the game. i just got out of prison. for serious.
155 [01:14:58] <tweakerDOTio> and before that i lived in nyc
156 [01:15:03] <tweakerDOTio> and im a faggot
157 [01:15:09] <tweakerDOTio> so naturally
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159 [01:15:14] <tweakerDOTio> drugs are pervasive in my life
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161 [01:15:33] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: put it in the pizza yo
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163 [01:16:09] <tweakerDOTio> i know what that means
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167 [01:16:22] <rabbitear_sdf> tweakerDOTio: you think you know
168 [01:16:26] <abrotman> take it elsewhere
169 [01:17:08] <rabbitear_sdf> sorry about that
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174 [01:20:25] <CannedSpinach> themill: I'm not aware of any examples of python updates breaking backward compatibility within versions
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176 [01:20:38] <CannedSpinach> like I'm pretty sure all Python 3 code runs on Python 3.6
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183 [01:22:25] <rabbitear_sdf> CannedSpinach: you will spend less time compiling python3.6 into /usr/local than lobbying debian to put python3.6 in the repo
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188 [01:26:08] <CannedSpinach> rabbitear_sdf: joke's on you, I'm doing both at the same time
189 [01:26:32] <rabbitear_sdf> CannedSpinach: oh, good one
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324 [03:29:58] <LibrarianMage> Hi! Would someone here have any idea on how to solve a kernel panic? I just turned on my virtual box after updating and it went right to one
325 [03:30:43] <tweakerDOTio> what do your logs say
326 [03:31:20] <LibrarianMage> tweakerDOTio, what do you mean?
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388 [04:18:51] <donald> did somebody use apt-offline? I am lost in the doc. Any alternative is welcome
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402 [04:25:16] <dvs> donald, what? Like apt-mirror?
403 [04:26:22] <donald> dns I do not know what it is. can I download offline with that?
404 [04:27:00] <Unit193> apt-offline is for updating or installing packages on a computer without internet, first one updates the cache, then simulates what one wants to install. Uses tarballs and a flash drive, basically.
405 [04:27:47] <dvs> donald, apt-mirror basically mirrors an entire repo
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410 [04:29:01] <rpifan> donald, r u the donald
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413 [04:30:13] <donald> Unit193 yes I want to install offline by usb stick dvs: I am not sure I need a repo. rpifan the duck?
414 [04:30:43] <Unit193> donald: Sounds about right then.
415 [04:31:04] <rpifan> lol
416 [04:31:12] <rpifan> donald trump
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418 [04:31:28] <donald> rpfan: I am not the president yet ;)
419 [04:31:39] <donald> he does not inspired my name at all
420 [04:31:47] <donald> it is just a random
421 [04:31:53] <rpifan> lol
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423 [04:36:12] <rabbitear_sdf> donald trump ?
424 [04:36:19] <rabbitear_sdf> sorry
425 [04:36:53] <rabbitear_sdf> he's not the bad one, he's a product of alot of lost males
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433 [04:40:05] <n_blownapart> hi how do I connect a bluetooth device. went through all the debian site suggestions including using gnome controller and systemctl
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435 [04:41:02] <n_blownapart> Anker SoundCore is recognized but Connection fails
436 [04:41:35] <n_blownapart> I have an address recognized A0:E9:DB:03:56:E0
437 [04:41:49] <n_blownapart> ' Paired Yes '
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442 [04:43:03] <n_blownapart> I've used cli commands and have exhausted the gui setup, etc
443 [04:43:43] <n_blownapart> also followed advice on this page: replaced-url
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473 [05:02:12] <donald> so step by step, how can I use apt-offline?
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492 [05:14:13] <B345T> possibly weird/noob question: I'm currently on Mint LMDE, and being lazy don't want to do a new install just yet, BUT I want to get away from all of the non-free repos that are built in
493 [05:14:33] <B345T> what are the best fully free repos for debian based systems?
494 [05:15:27] <B345T> should probably just stick with stable repos for now
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501 [05:22:14] <somiaj> B345T: replaced-url
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506 [05:23:23] <somiaj> B345T: debian provides mostly a single main repo with all this software, though it also provides a security repo and an repo for some bugfixes/updates before they become live with the point releases.
507 [05:23:29] <somiaj> !don't break debian
508 [05:23:30] <dpkg> somebody said dont break debian was replaced-url
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510 [05:23:53] <somiaj> B345T: and that link is a good read on how to deal with software, if the software you want is not in debian, you for the most part don't want to just install random repos without knowign they work with debian first.
511 [05:24:38] <B345T> I've never run vanilla debian but run a lot of debian based systems
512 [05:24:40] <somiaj> B345T: And this only applies to debian, mint or other debian based systems will ahve their own repos, and provide their own policy as to what software is in them, if you intend to run mint or another debian-based distro, you shoudl askt hem about their policies/repos and support.
513 [05:26:30] <B345T> I pretty well know their stance, which is a little lackadaisical on the free/gratis side
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517 [05:27:24] <B345T> want to distance myself from the non-free in the interem before I put a real full free distro on this box
518 [05:28:59] <jelly> first make sure your hardware can actually run without non-free components
519 [05:29:19] <B345T> so as long as I have the true debian-main & debian-security repos added, then I'm receiving the best debian has to offer?
520 [05:29:47] <B345T> yea that's part of what's going to take some time before I do a complete reinstall
521 [05:29:58] <somiaj> B345T: best is subjective, but yes, running debian stable + security will give you the debian release, which is a well tested set of free software.
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523 [05:30:52] <B345T> awesome thanks
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525 [05:31:17] <B345T> diving back into linux after a little while away so slowly reintroducing myself to the fun bits
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528 [05:34:12] <somiaj> B345T: the biggest hardware hurdle is wifi is very difficult to avoid non-free firmware. Debian does provide non-free packages for this (and other use cases), but that is one thing that is hard to use if wanting to fully avoid non-free components.
529 [05:36:38] <B345T> right. I haven't looked into the free support for the hardware I'm currently on just yet. Like I said, baby steps
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532 [05:37:07] <B345T> I want to do it right, but it's been a while and I'm a bit rusty
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534 [05:37:36] <B345T> and I was never that good to start with
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828 [09:15:02] <hanshenrik> for VMWare, there's the xserver-xorg-video-vmware , which one should i use for VirtualBox?
829 [09:15:20] <hanshenrik> xserver-xorg-video-all and hope for the best? :p
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831 [09:16:13] <hanshenrik> (that's what the debian installer does when u tell it to install a desktop btw)
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839 [09:21:58] <BanHammor> i mean, worst case, it's gonna boot you to vesa
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841 [09:22:35] <hanshenrik> well, whatever it booted to, -all worked
842 [09:22:52] <hanshenrik> doesn't auto resize to the size of the virtualbox window tho
843 [09:23:03] <hanshenrik> ( and xserver-xorg-video-vmware would do that on VMWare)
844 [09:23:47] <hanshenrik> anyone know what i need to do to make a virtualbox vm's window size resize to the size of the virtualbox window?
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847 [09:24:27] <hanshenrik> uhm.. probably a less confusing way to write that
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855 [09:29:03] <alkisg> hanshenrik: the virtualbox guest additions, i.e. their .iso?
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857 [09:29:19] <alkisg> I don't think all the vbox drivers made it upstream yet
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859 [09:30:00] <alkisg> (while vmware's video drivers are upstream in the kernel and xorg...)
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861 [09:30:06] <hanshenrik> ah yeah, that should work, thanks
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864 [09:31:49] <somiaj> there is virtualbox-guest-dkms to build the guest modules inside the vm, just install it in the debian guest.
865 [09:31:54] <somiaj> need the kernel headers too
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898 [10:01:20] <holycow> hi
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901 [10:02:05] <holycow> anyone here ever manage to get a linux guest successfully use gpu passthrough via qemu?
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903 [10:02:38] <holycow> windows guest can get gpu passthrough no prob o qemubut not linux guests
904 [10:02:54] <hanshenrik> weird, after "apt install task-print-server
905 [10:02:54] <hanshenrik> ; apt install printer-driver-all
906 [10:02:54] <hanshenrik> hp-ppd
907 [10:02:54] <hanshenrik> ;" , and setting up the HP Deskjet F2400 printer from the cups web admin panel, cups complained that /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip-hplip didn't exist on localhost:631/printers , and the printer didn't work until i did "cd /usr/lib/cups/filter; ln -s foomatic-rip foomatic-rip-hplip;" and rebooted....
908 [10:03:17] <hanshenrik> after doing that, it works fine tho
909 [10:03:24] <hanshenrik> but smells like a bug
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911 [10:03:54] <hanshenrik> (and found the ln solution here replaced-url
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938 [10:18:32] * Hyni ne chat me djem te bukur KLIKONI replaced-url
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1002 [11:01:06] <heradon> hello guys, i have a problem on my debian. I have 2 SW Raids but mdadm shows only 1 raid, any idea?
1003 [11:01:21] <armin> any good read on setting system time and timezone? thanks to systemd i'm having a hard time here.
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1005 [11:01:41] <jelly> pun not indented
1006 [11:01:55] <jelly> !tz
1007 [11:01:55] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
1008 [11:02:02] <petn-randall> !tell heradon -about crosspost
1009 [11:02:41] <heradon> petn-randall: thx
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1014 [11:04:00] <petn-randall> armin: I don't recall that setting any of those things have changed with systemd.
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1016 [11:05:10] <armin> jelly: so we now have timedatectl, timedated and timesyncd, setting the timezone manually in /etc/timezone has no effect, but setting the timezone is still being done via dpkg-reconfigure and does?
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1019 [11:05:31] <armin> petn-randall: well systemd does ntp on its own.
1020 [11:06:12] <petn-randall> armin: There is a systemd tool to do timekeeping, but that's not enabled by default.
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1023 [11:06:43] <petn-randall> armin: Just like ntpd it doesn't care about your timezone, though.
1024 [11:06:55] <armin> petn-randall: hence my question what the normal progress for doing timekeeping nowadays is on a debian system, right?
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1026 [11:07:24] <petn-randall> armin: Same as it's always been.
1027 [11:07:39] <armin> petn-randall: i was confused that setting the timezone in /etc/timezone and rebooting has no effect though.
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1029 [11:08:33] <armin> petn-randall: didn't know that tzdata would still work.
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1038 [11:12:25] <armin> petn-randall: also since systemd has a tool for timekeeping which isn't enabled by default: what's the "standard" way nowadays? timesyncd? timedated? ntpd? openntpd? what about ntpdate? o.O
1039 [11:12:44] <armin> petn-randall: so yeah, loads of confusion here. no offense.
1040 [11:12:47] <petn-randall> armin: The same as before. Nothing has changed with systemd.
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1048 [11:13:33] <armin> petn-randall: well just placing 3 binaries and 2 services there that have time or date in their name is the same as before?
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1052 [11:13:58] <petn-randall> armin: There's just one more tool that can speak the NTP protocol that happens to be developed under the systemd umbrella.
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1054 [11:14:11] <clemens3> armin: drop systemd and simply set your users TZ variable:)
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1059 [11:17:36] <petn-randall> armin: Whatever your workflow before was to keep your clock accurate, and set your timezone ... you can still use the same workflow.
1060 [11:18:39] <petn-randall> armin: If you feel like it, you can drop ntpd, or chrony, or whatever other NTP service you've been using, and use systemd-timesyncd. But it's really up to you.
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1070 [11:21:46] <introom> does debian has texinfo manual for git?
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1073 [11:22:51] <armin> petn-randall: ok, thanks a lot. :)
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1082 [11:27:11] <BCMM> introom: is git's original manual even in texinfo?
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1087 [11:28:19] <introom> BCMM: that's a good question.
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1090 [11:29:41] <BCMM> introom: looks like they're using asciidoc?
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1095 [11:33:02] <BCMM> introom: i'm pretty sure the git-doc package provides the upstream documentation for git, which is processed with asciidoc
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1097 [11:33:35] <BCMM> (see the ideps for replaced-url
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1117 [11:52:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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1151 [12:08:00] <niplo> Goodmorning, i need some help to send emails out of a server using smtp. i ve already read the faq replaced-url
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1155 [12:10:50] <FinalX> niplo: well, there's other MTA's, like Postfix or Sendmail, for example. But like it states, you only need to select "Internet Site" during configuration and you're set already.
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1161 [12:12:15] <niplo> FinalX: i can use postfix, i thought about msmtp
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1164 [12:12:55] <FinalX> You can use whatever works for you, of course :) My personal preference is Postfix.
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1167 [12:14:41] <niplo> thanks for the tip :)
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1169 [12:15:55] <Li> # apt update; apt upgrade ... how is the second is different from apt dist-upgrade?
1170 [12:16:15] <Li> am I going to end up a new distro version other than debian 9 stretch?
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1174 [12:17:29] <Li> the document infront of me says "Installs updates (new ones)" but I'm still not sure how it different from the previous one
1175 [12:17:36] <Li> language issues I guess
1176 [12:19:42] <niplo> Li: dist-upgrade will install or remove packages as necessary in order to complete the upgrade
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1178 [12:21:15] <Li> niplo: in other words, is recommended over apt upgrade?
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1181 [12:22:13] <niplo> Li: Depends on tour system setup, during an upgrade there might be version incompatibilities
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1183 [12:22:23] <niplo> with third party software
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1192 [12:27:27] <FinalX> Li: "upgrade" holds back package stuff that can seriously harm your system if interrupted, "dist-upgrade" will upgrade those. Think upgrading from one Debian-version to another.
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1207 [12:38:19] <ksk> hey. Is there a package/way to have "all" the manual page available on my shellserver? Like I don't have package X installed, but like to take a look at its manpage without googleing for "X manpage".
1208 [12:38:58] <Li> thanks, I've just executed dist-upgrade and it returned 0 upgrades 0 removes
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1212 [12:39:43] <petn-randall> ksk: They all come in the respective package providing the command, and no package is allowed to ship any files already in other packages, so I don't think there's a package that could do that.
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1214 [12:40:10] <ksk> petn-randall: good point!
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1216 [12:40:40] <petn-randall> ksk: But I feel you, it sometimes bugs me, too.
1217 [12:40:51] <petn-randall> Especially when providing support in here.
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1228 [12:47:11] <BCMM> dist-upgrade will still warn about stuff that will *seriously* harm the system, like apt removal, right?
1229 [12:47:30] <BCMM> it just won't warn you about accidental removal of useful packages in general
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1231 [12:48:18] <jelly> BCMM: you always get a list from apt if something's going to get removed
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1244 [12:51:59] <petn-randall> BCMM: There are essential packages that apt would warn you about separately when trying to removing them. But that only happens if you explicitely ask for it it, like 'apt purge apt', I don't think normal upgrade procedures ever request removing essential packages.
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1255 [12:56:00] <themill> (apt has this self-important view of the world and thinks it is essential even though it's not)
1256 [12:56:31] <jelly> orly
1257 [12:57:00] <petn-randall> Well, accidentally removing apt makes it quite tedious to bootstrap the system again, so I find it ok.
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1259 [12:57:17] <jelly> who approves this kind of hardcoded crap?!!?!
1260 [12:57:35] <jelly> petn-randall: tedious? You always have dselect.
1261 [12:57:38] * jelly hides
1262 [12:57:51] <petn-randall> I mean, 'bash' is also essential, but you could probably boot a minimal system without it, too.
1263 [12:57:53] <jelly> and probably have aptitude anyway
1264 [12:58:12] <petn-randall> jelly: Those are all non-essential :)
1265 [12:58:17] <jelly> petn-randall: you couldn't. there are scripts depending on it
1266 [12:58:38] <petn-randall> "some"
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1268 [12:58:56] <jelly> I wonder how much grep '#!/bin/bash' /{s,}bin/* |wc -l
1269 [12:59:25] <jelly> amazingly not that much
1270 [12:59:33] <themill> also maintainer scripts
1271 [12:59:44] <jelly> those are scripts too, yes
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1274 [13:00:47] <themill> plenty more in /usr/bin curiously
1275 [13:01:07] <jelly> yeah but I don't count /usr as essential
1276 [13:01:25] <Pcol> Quit
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1282 [13:02:49] <petn-randall> IIRC maintainer scripts shouldn't require bashisms anymore, but I don't know how strict this rule is enforced.
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1285 [13:03:14] <themill> they can, as long as the explicitly call bash
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1287 [13:03:33] <petn-randall> I see
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1290 [13:04:39] <themill> it's hard to see that something like /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.postinst couldn't be changed
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1292 [13:06:29] <jelly> if x11-common is essential I'll eat my hat
1293 [13:06:56] <themill> I mean in terms of getting rid of bash as a script interpreter
1294 [13:07:28] <jelly> still there are probably better nits to pick
1295 [13:07:42] <themill> /var/lib/dpkg/info/dash.preinst:#!/bin/bash
1296 [13:07:56] <jelly> oh yeah
1297 [13:08:00] <petn-randall> hahaha
1298 [13:08:11] <jelly> well, use mksh instead
1299 [13:08:17] <themill> dpkg, lart jelly
1300 [13:08:17] * dpkg takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays jelly in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed
1301 [13:08:52] <petn-randall> /var/lib/dpkg/info/dash.preinst is a binary on buster. \o/
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1303 [13:09:14] <themill> yeah, quite a mess that made
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1308 [13:10:20] <no_gravity> I'm trying to share a screen session with another user.
1309 [13:10:23] <no_gravity> It works when both users have root rights.
1310 [13:10:26] <no_gravity> I wonder if that is really necessary?
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1314 [13:11:54] <BanHammor> a screen session? as in, GNU screen?
1315 [13:12:00] <no_gravity> Yes
1316 [13:12:05] <no_gravity> This describes it: replaced-url
1317 [13:12:43] <no_gravity> I always get 'Must run suid root for multiuser support.'
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1328 [13:19:36] <jelly> I did have mksh as /bin/sh but that uncovered bugs in couple places and made things unbootable
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1331 [13:20:19] <jelly> petn-randall: compiled maintainer scripts are the only sane way. Move your go dependency to build-dep only!
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1333 [13:20:30] <BanHammor> did you actually set the suid bit for screen?
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1336 [13:21:43] <no_gravity> I got it working!
1337 [13:21:46] <no_gravity> This does the magic: chmod u+s $(which screen); chmod 755 /var/run/screen
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1340 [13:24:08] <jelly> you had to actually lower perms on socket dir?
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1342 [13:24:13] <jelly> interesting
1343 [13:24:57] <jelly> no_gravity: you'll have to use dpkg-statoverride instead of chmod if you want setuid to be kept on package upgrades
1344 [13:25:35] <jelly> I didn't check, it's possible there's a debconf question to do that for you
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1346 [13:25:51] <jelly> dpkg-reconfigure -plow screen
1347 [13:26:04] <no_gravity> jelly: I would have thought I have to do the permission dance every time I start a multiuser screen session.
1348 [13:26:08] <no_gravity> Which is fine for me.
1349 [13:26:16] <jelly> god no, that would be horrible
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1353 [13:29:54] <jelly> !no_gravity --
1354 [13:30:02] <jelly> for asking in two channels at the same time
1355 [13:30:02] <no_gravity> ?
1356 [13:30:20] <jelly> !karma no_gravity
1357 [13:30:20] <dpkg> no_gravity has neutral karma
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1359 [13:31:35] <slax0r> does !<nick> --/++ decrease/increase "karma"?
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1363 [13:32:00] <VjdfMQ> Hey all
1364 [13:32:16] <jelly> I don't remember whether it works with ! or without it
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1366 [13:32:35] <VjdfMQ> Could it be that mono exception got because of OpenGL ?
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1371 [13:34:38] <ksk> VjdfMQ: hello. please reprhase your question. what are you trying to do, paste.debian.net the errormessages if there are any
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1373 [13:34:48] <jelly> !ask
1374 [13:34:48] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1375 [13:35:06] <ksk> (its been a while, I seem to have forgot the triggers)
1376 [13:35:06] <VjdfMQ> ksk: jelly ... so, let's start from the beggining
1377 [13:35:27] <jelly> and maybe wait a couple minutes for an answer in ##linux before switching to asking here
1378 [13:35:41] <jelly> like 10 minutes? Is that ok?
1379 [13:35:48] <VjdfMQ> jelly: No problem
1380 [13:35:52] <slax0r> what's with bulk-asking today?
1381 [13:36:15] <jelly> people asking are busy and their time is very important
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1405 [13:48:54] <VjdfMQ> So ... an application ( might ) needs an OpenGL 3.0 as on GOG.com is written. ( replaced-url
1406 [13:49:19] <VjdfMQ> So I thought that this could be because of OpenGL because only this requirment is different
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1411 [13:53:20] <jelly> VjdfMQ: that module name suggests an issue with zip file unpacking, tho?
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1414 [13:53:53] <jelly> hard to say, I know nothing about mono or running c# on linux
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1418 [13:54:12] <rwx777> is there a difference between choosing http over a ftp mirror or the other way round ?
1419 [13:54:34] <slax0r> apart from the obvious, no
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1421 [13:54:59] <VjdfMQ> jelly: So, what do you mean ? An archive is broken ? I've checked its hashes and they are same on different machines ( so on second one it works which has OpenGL 4> )
1422 [13:55:02] <VjdfMQ> mb
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1424 [13:55:44] <jelly> VjdfMQ: does it work on linux as well?
1425 [13:55:58] <jelly> that second one
1426 [13:56:37] <VjdfMQ> Yup, that's the thing
1427 [13:56:38] <rwx777> which are obvious? i know they are different protocolls but is there any advantage by choosing one?
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1430 [13:58:03] <slax0r> rwx777: you asked for a difference, and there is quite an obvious difference between http and ftp, as for advantages, I don't think there are any, at least not noticable
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1434 [13:58:38] <rwx777> ok thanks ^^
1435 [13:59:14] <slax0r> ftp _might_ be slightly faster, certainly not a large enough difference
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1437 [14:00:43] <jelly> rwx777: don't use ftp, it's being shut down.
1438 [14:02:07] <jelly> many official mirror hostnames might remain ftp.something but only http protocol will remain active
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1440 [14:02:18] <VjdfMQ> jelly: The thing which is strange that Slime Rancher ( 3D ) games needs 2.0, but SHENZHEN I/O needs 3.0 which is 2D and 2 years older ...
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1444 [14:03:01] <jelly> VjdfMQ: it's a bit weird that your GPU drivers don't do 3.0 at this point in time
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1447 [14:04:20] <ksk> !tell rwx777 about ftp must die
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1449 [14:05:24] <ksk> ( So just use http so that the mirror administrators can go on and shut ftp down ;)
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1457 [14:10:56] <VjdfMQ> jelly: os: Ubuntu 16.04; driver: i915; cpu: i7 M620; gpu: Intel HD Graphics ( I think the first one ): GPU: replaced-url
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1472 [14:16:49] <Devastator> do I need to do anything special to upgrade from 9.3 to 9.4?
1473 [14:17:09] <Devastator> apt update; apt upgrade?
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1485 [14:24:52] <Brigo> Devastator, that should be enought, maybe add an apt-get dist-upgrade
1486 [14:25:03] <Devastator> ok
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1493 [14:28:25] <jelly> VjdfMQ: uh, we don't support derivative distros here, sorry. Ask in #ubuntu but if it were me I'd try to find a mono-related channel
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1498 [14:31:51] <VjdfMQ> jelly: oh
1499 [14:32:00] <VjdfMQ> Btw that you very much for trying to help
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1512 [14:37:56] <jelly> it's quite possible your card/gpu really is too old. i7-620M is before sandybridge and had rather buggy gpu/drivers
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1514 [14:39:05] <jelly> same gen as my i5-660 at home, I put a discrete nvidia in but you don't have that option with a laptop I guess
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1540 [14:48:44] <dka> How can I remove in bash what is before the first dash including the first dash ? I have this but that work for this end : ${f##*-}
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1542 [14:49:48] <dzove855> ${f%-*}
1543 [14:49:52] <dzove855> @dka
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1546 [14:50:46] <dzove855> haa sorry no haha
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1548 [14:50:56] <dzove855> ${#*-}
1549 [14:51:10] <dzove855> i interpreted your question badly
1550 [14:51:16] <dka> My string is '/home/dka/workspace/gitlab.com/dev-tools/rollup-umd/internals/declination/04-bs-redux-immutable' I want to get 'bs-redux-immutable'
1551 [14:51:42] <dzove855> yes just like this ${VARIABLENAME#*-}
1552 [14:51:45] <dzove855> this should work fine
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1559 [14:53:09] <no_gravity> Is there anything in the Debian repost that lets you proxy a local http port via https?
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1562 [14:54:09] <vlt> no_gravity: Something like nginx running as reverse proxy?
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1564 [14:54:53] <jelly> there's haproxy, nginx, even apache
1565 [14:55:01] <themill> hitch
1566 [14:55:12] <jelly> ,v hitch
1567 [14:55:13] <judd> Package: hitch on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.4.4-1~bpo8+1; buster: 1.4.4-1; sid: 1.4.4-1; stretch: 1.4.4-1
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1569 [14:55:19] <themill> or not
1570 [14:55:19] <no_gravity> vlt: Yeah, thats a bit heavy though.
1571 [14:55:32] <jelly> how is nginx heavy?
1572 [14:55:36] <no_gravity> I was hoping for something like stunnel3 -d 443 -r 80
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1574 [14:55:52] <ksk> no_gravity: thats not how the internet works, sorry ;)
1575 [14:56:04] <FinalX> nginx originally *is* a reverse proxy, and does other things, too.
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1577 [14:56:20] <ksk> a browser would open a http connection on port 80, the server would answer with https - browsers do not like that.
1578 [14:56:42] <FinalX> I clocked it at 920k requests/second at some point over 10gbit (302 redirects), not even breaking a sweat CPU-wise. Quite sure it's not .. heavy ;)
1579 [14:56:49] <ksk> you have to do eg. a http301 rewrite to the https URL on the application level
1580 [14:57:01] <FinalX> don't use 301's, use 302
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1582 [14:57:04] <no_gravity> ksk: Thats how it worked up to stunnel3.
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1584 [14:57:09] <mframe> switch to a newer amd card and it looks like its using the "radeon" module and not the "amdgpu" module. is this correct ?
1585 [14:57:13] <ksk> yes, 302, sorry.
1586 [14:57:29] <jelly> there was a shiny new thing mentioned at planet.d.o last week, but the SNS wasn't in debian yet.
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1588 [14:57:40] <jelly> and it wasn't faster than nginx anyway
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1590 [14:59:03] <colo-work> apache2 with the correct MPM (event) is, to my knowledge, at least as fast as nginx for that particular job
1591 [14:59:11] <colo-work> I've been told it's what fastly uses to terminate https
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1596 [15:00:38] <ksk> for "normal" usecases (you dont want to run cloudflare?) just go with your familiar httpd
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1598 [15:00:44] <FinalX> colo-work: apache's event-handler is not built in the same way as nginx. for static files and redirects, it does a very good job, but if you truly test it, you'll find nginx outperforms it because it was built differently. In practice, it doesn't really matter either way, because almost nobody needs the performance that either can offer (if set up correctly).
1599 [15:01:01] <FinalX> (we use both here)
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1601 [15:03:13] <colo-work> we use nginx in front of varnish (in front of apache; using prefork) too, but that's mostly due to inertia at this point
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1604 [15:03:36] <colo-work> if I were to start again, I'd go with either hitch or haproxy
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1608 [15:04:34] <FinalX> We're running almost 20k sites behind a custom build of nginx/openresty, with Apache backends (event-based) that do PHP for our customers. Apache mostly because of .htaccess.
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1611 [15:05:18] <FinalX> Haven't found anything that could replace our nginx in that setup :) Nor have I felt the need, to.
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1615 [15:06:51] <no_gravity> Looks like there is no easy way to proxy http->https. So it might be better to enable http elements in https pages in chromium.
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1617 [15:07:00] <ksk> FinalX: eh, why not 301? seems to be the thing for "always use https please"?
1618 [15:07:13] <FinalX> ksk: replaced-url
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1620 [15:08:06] <domovoy> hi
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1625 [15:09:39] <ksk> FinalX: your arguments seems basicly to be google. If I never want to server http content to end-users (curl will still do the trick for debugging) I still would think 301 is the right thing.
1626 [15:09:56] <FinalX> it's not just my arguments.
1627 [15:09:58] <imp> hello! Is there any way to make reference to the i-th ethernet iunterface? I came from a time where network interfaces were numbered, today my system address it using the macaddress as en112233445566 that is ok to uniquely identify, but overcomplicated to simple desktop systems with only one interface.
1628 [15:10:10] <ksk> but yes okay, for an internet facing website totally agreeable.
1629 [15:10:10] <colo-work> permanent redirects are a _lot_ more permanent than most people realize.
1630 [15:10:13] <FinalX> ask any expert and they'll tell you the same thing.
1631 [15:10:24] <FinalX> you have no reason to use 301, so why would you?
1632 [15:10:27] <domovoy> iget a lot of usb reset errors in dmesg, only with this particular drive. Is there a way to disable ehci only for this drive? Or any other way so that it won't usb reset? (the idea is to do ddrescue on it, as fast as possible, so not trying to fix any error. I know, doing that from usb is _not_ the best idea)
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1638 [15:13:28] <FinalX> ksk: HSTS is the proper way of sending and keeping your users on replaced-url
1639 [15:13:30] <FinalX> vs the old Apache workers (a redirect would keep an Apache child busy), there's no reason to keep doing permanent redirects.
1640 [15:13:50] <FinalX> Shame no_grativy just left. It was as easy as: apt install -y nginx && echo 'server { listen [::]:80 default_server ipv6only=off; server_name _; location / { proxy_pass replaced-url
1641 [15:13:53] <frostschutz> domovoy, does it reset in general or only in defective area? you can tell ddrescue which area to work on, and also set a --min-read-rate so it will skip slow areas by itself. is it a hdd you could hook up internally without usb?
1642 [15:13:59] <alkisg> imp: you can easily make debian use the old naming scheme; but if you keep the new one, no, there's no easy way to reference the i-th inteface anymore
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1648 [15:15:22] <domovoy> frostschutz> from what i can see in the log, it reset regularly, not only on read errors, i'm already using --min-read-rate, and the drive is in a case that cant be opened without breaking it, i'd like to avoid that
1649 [15:15:26] <ksk> FinalX: replaced-url
1650 [15:16:11] <FinalX> Eh? "because server cannot handle its 'caching'" ?
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1656 [15:17:27] <FinalX> It's not just me saying this. The article I linked you is because I get sick and tired of having to explain the same goddamn thing every single time again, because people keep asking. A lot of CMS's have already moved away from 301's, because they agree as well. Google themselves have said that 302 works equal to 301 for keeping page ranks and you are no longer penalised for it.
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1658 [15:18:06] <FinalX> You asked, I gave you an answer, and I'm giving you the same answers again because you don't agree and take your views out on me personally. Either way, good luck, I'm done. Wasting too much of my time on you already.
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1660 [15:18:33] <ksk> thats why I wrote "you" and I was just trying to see If I understood what the page said, thanks.
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1662 [15:21:00] <domovoy> i found out how to remove ehci using /sys/bus/pci/ehci-pci/unbind, would loading ohci-pci and the bind the device i just unbound from ehci to it allow me to use the disk as ohci? would that solve the usb reset?
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1666 [15:21:52] <FinalX> replaced-url
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1668 [15:23:11] <FinalX> ksk: "best practice" doesn't equal "good" or "you must do this". What's most relevant is SEO rankings, and that's the official answer of Google on 301 vs 302 for those.
1669 [15:23:15] <FinalX> But, whatever works for you.
1670 [15:23:35] <FinalX> For me, I'm just tired of having to help users debug their problems that are caused by way too many 301's.
1671 [15:24:00] <FinalX> (And no, the vast majority doesn't know or care about curl, they care about their browsers..)
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1673 [15:24:18] <ksk> I feel for you.
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1678 [15:27:24] <no_gravity> If two people share an SSH session, what's a good way to chat like on irc?
1679 [15:27:40] <no_gravity> At the moment we just type in the terminal, prefixing each line with # :)
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1682 [15:28:33] <BanHammor> i don't think there's an application specifically for that, far too narrow of a use case
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1713 [15:43:00] <jelly> TIL apt doesn't apt-get update as root any more. Doing apt-get update fails in fs full conditions, because it can't access root-reserved 5% any more
1714 [15:43:36] <jelly> (and ext4 cannot have blocks reserved both for root and for uid _apt at the same time)
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1721 [15:46:13] <FinalX> jelly: you can disable the priv drop, but I forgot the exact apt conf setting
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1724 [15:46:55] <jelly> I'd rather have an inclusive OR on those features than an exclusive one
1725 [15:47:30] <jelly> solution: separate mountpoint for /var/lib/apt obviously
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1731 [15:50:26] <FinalX> jelly: sure, but it might still help in some cases :) though when / is full you should probably be cleaning up anyway, rather than worrying about installing more/upgrades :)
1732 [15:50:46] <FinalX> echo 'Binary::https::Debug::NoDropPrivs "true"; > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00-disable-privilege-drop # is what I had back then, it seems.
1733 [15:51:19] <FinalX> we had a different issue with it back then, we were using client cert auth for our own repo.. but the files weren't readable by _apt. so we used that until we fixed it everywhere :)
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1736 [15:52:07] <FinalX> (was before stretch was released anyway)
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1764 [16:00:50] <armin> anyone a clue about the grub-probe error here? ("grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map.")?
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1774 [16:03:56] <Brigo> armin, yes, /dev/sda1 is not a disk, is a partition.
1775 [16:04:19] <jasperarcola> no_gravity two users on the same machine can use talk or ytalk to talk to each other. also see wall
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1778 [16:05:01] <jelly> opening a shell inside ytalk was the best thing. In 1996.
1779 [16:05:22] <imp> jelly: did a lot of that :-D
1780 [16:05:35] <jasperarcola> yes, is very old school ;)
1781 [16:05:42] <jelly> shared screen is probably better, for curses things will also work
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1783 [16:06:10] <imp> jelly: In my local network I have deployed finger, rpc, and talk just for oldschool chatting.
1784 [16:06:38] <jelly> and you probably still use irc!
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1787 [16:07:14] <imp> jelly: no. for irc I prefer #slack ... :-P
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1789 [16:07:31] <imp> jelly: tbh, I don't even know why #slack exists.
1790 [16:08:01] <imp> jelly: a proprietary IRClike network protocol. pff.
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1792 [16:08:30] <annadane> replaced-url
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1794 [16:10:33] <imp> annadane: Agreed. Byt in last years I have seem many FLOSS projects moving to SLACK
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1797 [16:11:02] <jelly> they also moved to github.com. And we're straying #debian-offtopic
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1801 [16:11:30] <imp> jelly: also agreed. but github is still git/ssh/https
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1805 [16:12:30] <imp> alkisg: how can I make debian use the oldnaming scheme?
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1832 [16:24:29] <alkisg> imp, e.g. replaced-url
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1840 [16:26:40] <asterismo_m2> hi, i have a raid 1 setup, with two 500gb drives and encrypted LVM
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1843 [16:27:18] <asterismo_m2> one raid member went bad and i'm considering to rebuild the raid with 1tb units
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1845 [16:28:01] <asterismo_m2> it is possible to rebuild in 1tb drives one at the time, and then, resize the encrypter LVM te thu full disk?
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1848 [16:28:23] <asterismo_m2> is there a standar procedure for that?
1849 [16:28:25] <armin> Brigo: would you know where there is a partition specified, at all?
1850 [16:28:50] <armin> Brigo: neither /etc nor /boot have that string in any of their files.
1851 [16:28:59] <Brigo> armin, in grub config you mean?
1852 [16:29:03] <armin> Brigo: (recursively grepped for "sda1")
1853 [16:29:18] <armin> Brigo: well i don't know where there is any sda1 specification.
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1856 [16:29:36] <armin> Brigo: i just ran the "update-grub" program, and that's it.
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1858 [16:30:26] <armin> Brigo: i also don't find any device.map file anywhere on my system.
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1860 [16:31:01] <Brigo> armin, i think device.map should be there, into /boot
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1862 [16:31:20] <greycat> I don't have one in /boot either
1863 [16:31:26] <Brigo> /boot/grub in my system
1864 [16:31:35] <greycat> nor there either
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1870 [16:33:29] <Brigo> greycat, and your point is device.map is not needed?
1871 [16:33:32] <hadron> Brigo: what's your problem, try grub.cfg
1872 [16:33:53] <Brigo> hadron, i am just trying to help armin :)
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1876 [16:34:35] <dogui> Anyone else having boot problem with a Thinkpad t470s or similar? I rebooted after many days and my laptop is now pretty dead. About try a USB
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1880 [16:34:59] <Brigo> armin, who do you install grub?
1881 [16:35:00] <greycat> Brigo: since I don't have a file by that name anywhere, and yet my computer boots, I guess it's not required.
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1883 [16:35:21] <Brigo> greycat, right, i really don't know how it works.
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1885 [16:35:29] <colo-work> replaced-url
1886 [16:35:42] <volter> Do I need to set distribution to something specific in a private repository that houses rebuilds of Debian packages for older versions of Debian?
1887 [16:35:57] <volter> Or can/should I leave it at "UNRELEASED"?
1888 [16:35:57] <greycat> 11:30 armin> Brigo: i also don't find any device.map file anywhere on my system.
1889 [16:36:18] <Brigo> greycat, i readed that.
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1891 [16:36:41] <Brigo> volter, i think "UNRELEASED" is prefered, but it is really up to you.
1892 [16:36:55] <greycat> armin: Apart from the message that you get, is there an actual *problem* you're having? Does the computer boot into all the OSes that you want to boot into?
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1894 [16:37:12] <Brigo> any way i have to go, sorry armin. I hope someone else can help you out.
1895 [16:37:22] <volter> Brigo: So there's no negative effect from setting this to whatever?
1896 [16:37:34] <petn-randall> volter: "UNRELEASED" is a fail-safe for DDs since that will be rejected on upload. Pick whatever you want.
1897 [16:37:46] <asterismo_m2> hi
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1899 [16:38:20] <Brigo> volter, not really.
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1904 [16:40:02] <volter> I see, thank you both!
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1907 [16:40:36] <asterismo_m> hi
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1911 [16:41:05] <darxmurf> murf ?
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1915 [16:42:46] <BareFootLinux> I got some device with binary only drivers, and I have two debian based distros (same exact kernel version) one that supports it and one that doesn't. Can I copy the *.ko file from one debian derivative into the other and modprobe it?
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1919 [16:44:02] <tw> BareFootLinux: #1, unsupported here. #2, you should just try it.
1920 [16:44:05] <greycat> The modules would have to be built for the same kernel ABI. The Debian (*REAL* Debian) kernel image package names contain the ABI.
1921 [16:44:46] <greycat> e.g. a module built for kernel 4.9.0-5-amd64 won't run on kernel 4.9.0-6-amd64
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1923 [16:45:01] <BareFootLinux> tw: thanks tw, not expecting support just trying to learn things
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1925 [16:45:07] <tw> BareFootLinux: modprobe/insmod will tell you off if there's a version mismatch.
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1927 [16:45:40] <BareFootLinux> thanks greycat and tw, i should have just tried rather than ask ^__^
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1947 [16:54:44] <jelly> BareFootLinux: what does "modinfo /path/to/ko | grep vermagic" say?
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1955 [16:56:06] <jelly> $ modinfo /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-amd64/updates/dkms/nvidia-current.ko|grep vermagic
1956 [16:56:06] <jelly> vermagic: 4.9.0-6-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
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1958 [16:56:28] <BareFootLinux> jelly: I just flashed an sdcard, I want to try it vanilla first, then add the module and then try to load, i had too much trouble with faulty sdcards in the past :|
1959 [16:56:49] <jelly> okay, but that does not answer the question
1960 [16:57:56] <jelly> also I did not notice you were trying a derivative
1961 [16:58:17] <BareFootLinux> jelly: to answer your question basically i need to prepare an sdcard for it, i was currently running libreelec on this device as it was the only image that worked with the wifi chip
1962 [16:59:36] <BareFootLinux> jelly: the hardware seems to just have made it to mainline, its arm and it will take a while to have vanilla debian running on it imho
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1964 [16:59:52] <jelly> which SoC
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1967 [17:00:31] <BareFootLinux> jelly: s905w
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1969 [17:01:23] <jelly> #linux-amlogic will know a LOT more stuff than we can imagine, and there's a tiny #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net too
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1973 [17:03:27] <BareFootLinux> jelly: i had no idea they existed, thank you, will join them. Meanwhile I copied the modules, will try what you suggested
1974 [17:03:30] <jelly> it's not unusual to run weird kernels but plain debian userspace on such systems
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1976 [17:04:55] <BareFootLinux> jelly: I want to be as close as possible to debian. I thought armbian stretch would be close. vermagic is 3.14.29 SMP mod_unload aarch64 exactly the same version as the kernel
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1981 [17:06:20] <snowcatman> hello, maybe you could direct me? trying to setup a ruby on rails server on a raspberry pi. my notes and what i have done so far. replaced-url
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1984 [17:06:43] <jelly> snowcatman: if your system is running raspbian, ask in #raspbian channel please
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1988 [17:08:04] <jelly> snowcatman: line 23 seems pretty explicit about the reasons for failure
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2001 [17:13:19] <BareFootLinux> jelly: the module itself seems loaded, i can see it with lsmod, but in dmesg i see issues and it doesn't show up with iwconfig. I'll take it to linux-amlogic but I think I will have to recompile the kernel and change slightly the configuration with CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER=y
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2004 [17:13:41] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2006 [17:15:09] <snowcatman> @ jelly: 23 just shows " pi@raspberrypi:~ $ " you mean line 21 and i met that with line 26 if i am right, with success.
2007 [17:16:37] <jelly> yes, sorry
2008 [17:16:57] <BareFootLinux> jelly: the reason i said the above is that what fixes the wifi for the chipset in libreelec is this commit replaced-url
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2011 [17:17:47] <petn-randall> snowcatman: Word of advice: "curl <url> | sudo bash" is always bad advice and an anti-pattern. That way you have zero control over what you're running as root.
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2016 [17:20:08] <snowcatman> @ petn-randall advice taken, i think your right. but what to do about replicating what is done there?
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2090 [17:40:32] <asterismo_m> i'm running debian in a raid 1 encrypted lvm of two 500gb disks,
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2092 [17:40:37] <asterismo_m> one went bad, and im considering rebuild the raid with 1tb disks
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2094 [17:40:46] <asterismo_m> is it possible to rebuild one disk at the time to a 1tb raid and then, resize tce encrypted lvm to full disk size?
2095 [17:42:10] <petn-randall> asterismo_m: Sure, that works.
2096 [17:42:31] <frostschutz> asterismo_m, sure
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2108 [17:45:36] <asterismo_m> but it is easy to resize an encrypted lvm?
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2110 [17:46:05] <jelly> asterismo_m: it's not hard to resize a luks container.
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2112 [17:46:24] <asterismo_m> is there any good tutorial or gui software te do it? maybe gparted?
2113 [17:46:25] <jelly> growing has to done from the bottom layer up.
2114 [17:46:59] <jelly> actual steps will depend on your actual layering
2115 [17:47:20] <asterismo_m> first, grow lvm, then crypto luks, then fs, rigth?
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2117 [17:47:28] <jelly> no idea. there's more than one way you could have set this up
2118 [17:47:35] <frostschutz> asterismo_m, luks will resize when you reboot. if you don't want to reboot, cryptsetup resize. then pvresize. then lvextend or lvcreate
2119 [17:47:53] <jelly> asterismo_m: if you show "lsblk" output we can confirm or deny
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2121 [17:48:01] <asterismo_m> it is the standard debian installer setup of a raid and then an encrypted lvm
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2123 [17:48:36] <jelly> frostschutz: wait what, are ou saying luks automatically grows to fill the available blockdev on reboot?
2124 [17:48:44] <jelly> that does not sound safe or sane
2125 [17:48:47] <asterismo_m> thanks
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2129 [17:49:31] <frostschutz> luks does not have a device size in its metadata, so it takes the size of the device itself
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2132 [17:49:56] <frostschutz> maybe different for luks2, I haven't looked at it
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2137 [17:51:24] <petn-randall> I'm fairly sure that at least one meta-data format is at the end of the block device, so that would make it dependant on the block device size.
2138 [17:51:54] <jelly> md can be end or beginning or beginning with a small offset. Just to make things interesting.
2139 [17:52:14] <jelly> (1.2 or 1.0 or 1.1 format, respectively)
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2141 [17:52:41] <jelly> (growing 1.2 on an existing member is... interesting)
2142 [17:53:31] <jelly> (okay, it's not that interesting, just transpose the last 10MiB or so to the new end of disk while array is offline)
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2144 [17:53:51] <frostschutz> 1.2 is 4k from the start, it grows without problems. 0.90/1.0 can be difficult. 1.2 is difficult if you want to shrink the device size
2145 [17:54:25] <jelly> 1.1 is 4K 1.0 is also fine. 0.9 has other issues, but growing isn't one of them
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2149 [17:54:40] <frostschutz> md will complain about device too small even if the missing part is unused
2150 [17:54:46] <jelly> rightly so
2151 [17:55:06] <frostschutz> 1.2 has 4k offset, 1.1 has no offset (nobody ever uses it), 1.0/0.90 is at the end
2152 [17:55:09] * petn-randall still remembers the metadata 0.90 bug when you had mdraid on a partition that started on a 64KB alignment.
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2154 [17:55:32] <jelly> okay, I might be misremembering
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2157 [17:55:56] <frostschutz> 0.90 with msdos partition that also reaches the end, can be interpreted as raid for the entire disk, or for the last partition. it probably also didn't record device size. no idea
2158 [17:56:15] <frostschutz> there's weird things everywhere if you dig deep enough
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2160 [17:56:31] <petn-randall> The bug was that 0.90 could think that your whole device is a RAID member if the actual volume was the last partition, started at a 64KB boundary, and went to the end of the disk.
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2162 [17:57:15] <petn-randall> The kernel would then come to the conclusion that the whole device is a RAID volume, and you'll end up having all data shifted by a few KB.
2163 [17:57:17] <frostschutz> yeah, something like that. it might be fine with gpt partitions now since gpt reserves the end of disk for its own backup table
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2166 [17:57:49] <jelly> growing 1.0 is interesting, then. But is the only modern format that can be converted from disk to md without copying all the data
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2170 [17:58:43] <petn-randall> It's also documented in 'man mdadm' now, just grep for '0.90'.
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2177 [17:59:59] <jelly> grub2 only supported 0.9 and 1.0 for a while (mostly because it didn't really have to support much of anything)
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2219 [18:21:13] <hadron> I've just removed the partition of debian from windows disk management, and now mycomputer could only boot the Grub rescue. Try to installing centos on the deleted partition but encountered UEFI-MBR issue. Can I reinstall debian on that partition
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2229 [18:24:48] <ksk> you can probably also a) repair windows bootloader b) make centos work. but yes, running the debian installer should detect the windows installation and put it into its grub-install
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2233 [18:25:03] <ksk> depending on your uefi issue..
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2287 [18:37:35] <churnd> wrong place to ask?
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2293 [18:39:13] <BCMM> churnd: i think there's a dedicated packaging channel over on oftc
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2295 [18:39:33] <greycat> !packaging
2296 [18:39:33] <dpkg> See replaced-url
2297 [18:40:07] <jelly> churnd: it's the best place to ask on freenode. On irc.oftc.net, you have #packaging or if you plan on inclusion into debian, #debian-mentors
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2300 [18:41:33] <BCMM> churnd: although tbh i'm not clear on what's so special about it being in /etc/rsyslog.d/
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2302 [18:41:39] <BCMM> can't you just install it like you'd install any file?
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2304 [18:42:01] <churnd> well i'm a newbie to packaging
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2306 [18:42:21] <greycat> I know very little about rsyslog specifcally. Maybe he has to register for a trigger event that happens after dpkg & apt are all done with the current batch of installs?
2307 [18:42:35] <churnd> i'm trying to take the source for some other project & build a package that we can use internally since the one in the repos is badly outdated
2308 [18:43:09] <jelly> churnd: I'd pick a random package that brings /etc/rsyslog.d/foo.conf and see how they do it
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2310 [18:43:36] <jelly> like postfix
2311 [18:43:38] <churnd> i just thought if you can have a logrotate config in the debian dir, it'd make sense that you'd have a rsyslog config too
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2313 [18:43:52] <churnd> ah good idea, i'll check them out
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2316 [18:44:57] * jelly stole a lot of nifty stuff from clamav source packaging, and then they changed it all again
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2359 [18:56:17] <churnd> checked postfix & redis projects, no debian dirs
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2362 [18:57:02] <nkuttler> churnd: apt-get source redis/postfix
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2372 [19:00:39] <churnd> ah, TIL
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2389 [19:05:32] <jelly> !deb-src
2390 [19:05:32] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
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2399 [19:12:52] <donald> Hello I am a programmerI want to use a network isolated network to program locally. I never ever touch the network as IT science. I want to make a file go out of my virt-manager virtual machine by the spice-webdav channel. Sadly I can not. I did files => preferences => choose a a folder. to dignostic that, you shouk know I do not find any new network or folder to put file in. Check out the manual at folder sharing. replaced-url
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2412 [19:27:01] <donald> jelly is it clearn now?
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2444 [19:33:35] <jelly> donald: it's better.
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2446 [19:33:49] <donald> :)
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2554 [20:31:41] <Simonious_> E: Unable to locate package php-bcmath <- I did not expect this.
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2556 [20:33:47] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php-bcmath
2557 [20:33:49] <judd> Package: php-bcmath on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60
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2559 [20:34:12] <Simonious_> Debian GNU/Linux 8.10 (jessie)
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2562 [20:35:01] <jhutchins_wk> !ssb
2563 [20:35:02] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2570 [20:38:02] <Simonious_> jhutchins_wk: so how do I get this package?
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2578 [20:42:36] <w0bni> I've built an older kernel version (downloading the package and then building with make deb-pkg), and from what I can tell the next step towards installing it is dpkg -i [deb_here]. Is there any way to make it install the kernel as a second boot option instead of replacing the default one?
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2584 [20:44:02] <kardborren> Let's say I have a (custom) driver in a Wheezy (for a TFT screen with touch, if that matters). Now, let's say I install Stretch on the machine. Best guess, how likely is it that the driver would still work?
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2593 [20:49:34] <w0bni> it seems like the default option was not to install it as the default kernel :-)
2594 [20:50:02] <tw> kardborren: you compile this module yourself and you know how to modify it? Probably a pretty decent chance you can wrangle it into place.
2595 [20:51:07] <kardborren> tw: Sorry, no, it's been provided to me as a binary blob. Does that mean there is no chance for it to work?
2596 [20:51:19] <jhutchins_wk> Simonious_: I would recommend upgrading to stretch. You might be able to follow the instructions from dpkg above to build a copy that will work on jessie.
2597 [20:51:38] <tw> kardborren: basically no chance.
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2599 [20:52:31] <kardborren> tw: Thank you so much for answering. A follow-up: It's not as simple as doing a new compilation and then expecting it to work? Something probably needs to be adjusted in the code also?
2600 [20:52:35] <jhutchins_wk> w0bni: It should install it beside the current kernel. Not sure if grub will pick the newest kernel or the one more recently installed, but you can configure which one it defaults to manually.
2601 [20:53:03] <jhutchins_wk> kardborren: Is it a driver or is it firmware?
2602 [20:53:28] <kardborren> jhutchins_wk: As far as I know it's a driver. (I haven't all facts yet.)
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2604 [20:53:50] <kardborren> jhutchins_wk: At least, that's what the supplier calls it.
2605 [20:53:55] <tw> kardborren: how do you start it in wheezy?
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2607 [20:54:04] <Pyro_Killer> Hello fellow debian users, I'm having some compilation issues when trying to compile Softether VPN server on debian stretch, I wonder if someone could give me a hand :)
2608 [20:54:06] <Pyro_Killer> replaced-url
2609 [20:54:16] <w0bni> jhutchins_wk: thanks!
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2611 [20:54:25] <jhutchins_wk> kardborren: "Drivers" are usually kernel modules, and have to be built for a specific kernel version. Firmware is code that loads into the hardware and can be used by any kernel.
2612 [20:54:52] <kardborren> tw: It autostarts somehow. My scenario is this: I've got a device on loan to evaluate, but very little information about it.
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2618 [20:56:04] <kardborren> jhutchins_wk: Best guess is that it's a driver/kernel module then, I suppose. This is not really my area of expertise, can you point me in the general direction of how I investigate this a bit more on the device?
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2630 [20:58:14] <jhutchins_wk> kardborren: Start with "file <driverfile>" to see what the system thinks it is.
2631 [20:58:16] <kardborren> jhutchins_wk: Using lsmod I can list the modules, but how on earth to find which one it is?
2632 [20:58:43] <kardborren> jhutchins_wk: Sorry, I don't even know where it's stored on the disk yet. :-/
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2635 [20:59:17] <jhutchins_wk> kardborren: That's not information I'm going to have, especially since you haven't identified the device.
2636 [21:00:28] <tw> kardborren: read dmesg and try to find some kind of display device. If it's a hotpluggable device, unplug it and plug it back in.
2637 [21:00:40] <kardborren> jhutchins_wk: Sorry, all I know is that it's a BeagleBone Black. Buuut looking at those online, I can say for sure this isn't it. The supplier says they have made their own version of it, whatever that means. So sorry to say, it's not something easily identifiable.
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2641 [21:01:19] <tw> If you're running X11, try reading the xorg log to see which display device and input device it's using.
2642 [21:01:28] <kardborren> tw and jhutchins_wk : Sorry for being so vague, it's not on purpose, it's just that I don't have a lot of info yet.
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2646 [21:02:20] <kardborren> tw: Oh, that's clever. I'll give that a shot. And that might help me identify it in lsmod, right?
2647 [21:02:28] <tw> If you're using qte, maybe check which fbdevs you have available with fbset.
2648 [21:02:29] <jhutchins_wk> kardborren: Understood. You can look for docs on how to work with a beaglebone on Debian.
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2650 [21:02:54] <yeik> I am trying to use the nvidia firmware with nouveau, nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nvidia/gk106/gpccs_data.bin, but after my last update/installation of files, booting fails. last thing in the journal log seems to be: systemd-udevd[431]: worker [478] failed while handling '/devices/virtual/vtconsole/vtcon1'
2651 [21:03:10] <madaari> Hi, I am searching for any benchmarking tool to quantify performance of SDIO and SDHC driver on debian. what can be my choices?
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2653 [21:04:11] <kardborren> tw and jhutchins_wk : Thanks both, you've given me a lot to work with. Might be back tomorrow with more questions. Cheers! :)
2654 [21:05:04] <jhutchins_wk> !beaglebone
2655 [21:05:13] <jhutchins_wk> Oh well.
2656 [21:05:23] <kardborren> ?
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2658 [21:05:57] <tw> tbh, if you install the beaglebone stretch image, it'll probably just work.
2659 [21:06:19] <yeik> anybody have thoughts on why the virtual console, or pci device would take too long?
2660 [21:06:53] <kardborren> Oh, believe me, I'm tempted to try. I just have something to verify with it before doing it. (Because I haven't figured out if it's possible to backup the current disk in it.)
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2662 [21:07:30] <tw> kardborren: Did you actually have to install a driver to use the display?
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2664 [21:08:24] <kardborren> tw: No, the device was provided to me as-is. I'm free to investigate the software in it as much as I want though.
2665 [21:08:39] <tw> Who makes the display? Newhaven?
2666 [21:08:55] <kardborren> tw: I'm basically just working with bits and pieces of info from the supplier.
2667 [21:09:07] <kardborren> tw: Can't tell. Haven't been able to find a brand.
2668 [21:09:27] <kardborren> tw: Bit of background: This is for a device that typically is used for a sort of kiosk setting.
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2670 [21:11:17] <magnulu> I have done a fresh install using netinstall (xfce) of the newest debian
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2673 [21:11:26] <magnulu> I want to ssh into the host to configure it
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2675 [21:11:51] <magnulu> oh, I figure it out just by typing the question!
2676 [21:11:53] <magnulu> :-P
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2681 [21:12:22] <intcat> hi all, i just noticed the ca-certificates package in wheezy is very outdated, breaking sourceforge
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2685 [21:12:55] <intcat> is there any chance this will be rectified while wheezy is still under LTS?
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2690 [21:13:55] <jhutchins_wk> intcat: Not much. Update manually or upgrade.
2691 [21:14:19] <intcat> jhutchins_wk: :/
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2696 [21:17:23] <jhutchins_wk> intcat: It's not hard to update manually.
2697 [21:17:52] <tw> tbh, you can probably just install the deb manually.
2698 [21:17:55] <tw> from stretch.
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2702 [21:21:04] <intcat> just confused what LTS means if that kind of thing is not even updated
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2704 [21:21:37] <tw> certain packages are included in LTS.
2705 [21:22:10] <jhutchins_wk> intcat: It means that some people are still updating some of the packages.
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2708 [21:22:44] <intcat> i read on the wiki that it's mostly security-related updates, which ca-certificates seems to be vital to?
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2711 [21:23:09] <jhutchins_wk> intcat: If fred has something that he's not ready to migrate yet, he might provide updates for packages he builds for himself.
2712 [21:23:48] <jhutchins_wk> intcat: Yes, but ca certificates are third-party things that are perfectly easy to update manually. Not all distros even bother to package them.
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2717 [21:24:39] <jhutchins_wk> intcat: Then again, if you wanted to put the effort into building an updated package, you could contribute that.
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2734 [21:36:40] <wpostma> I'm seeing weird behaviour in Stretch with standard kernel 4.9.x, where top shows certain processes that I am quite sure are not using 100% CPU suddenly start using 100% cpu. If I kill that process, the 100% moves to something else.
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2737 [21:37:17] <greycat> What's the process you're killing?
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2739 [21:38:08] <wpostma> First clementine (mp3 player), then xfce4-power-manager appear to be using 100% CPU in top.
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2741 [21:38:20] <wpostma> Killing xfce4-power-manager results in it being immediately restarted.
2742 [21:38:35] <greycat> Restarting sounds normal-ish, for something that's supposed to be running all the time.
2743 [21:38:50] <wpostma> Right. It's the "I don't believe the CPU% value in TOP is for real" that's the problem.
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2745 [21:39:17] <greycat> For how long did it "report 100% CPU"? If it's just a tiny brief moment, that's also totally normal. At any given microsecond, process is either using CPU right now, or not. 0% or 100%. Anything else you see is an average over a time interval.
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2747 [21:39:35] <wpostma> that's the thing, it's sitting permanently (>5 minutes) at 100%.
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2749 [21:39:59] <wpostma> sometimes it dips to 99.3%
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2751 [21:40:14] <greycat> Then you need to investigate further. Find its logs.
2752 [21:40:21] <greycat> Figure out WHY it's doing this.
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2755 [21:43:01] <alkisg> wpostma: `sudo strace -p <pid>` attaches to a process and shows what kernel calls it's making. In some cases, it can help with pinpointing why it's using 100% CPU.
2756 [21:43:16] <alkisg> Check also .xsession-errors and other logs of course
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2770 [21:46:01] <magnulu> I once stumbled upon (what I thought) was a great cli utility to install graphic card drivers (and maybe more?) in linux..
2771 [21:46:10] <magnulu> anyone know what it could be? :)
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2773 [21:46:39] <greycat> Sounds like something horrible.
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2775 [21:47:01] <magnulu> haha, yeah, probably ;-P
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2780 [21:47:37] <magnulu> it worked better than anything else I had tried, from my memory
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2785 [21:48:51] <wpostma> Weird, I had to uninstall the xfce4-battery-manager package and kill it to get it to stop. Nothing in any logs
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2787 [21:49:16] <greycat> If your actual goal is to improve (or enable at all) video chipset performance, start by telling us *which* video chipset you've got (from lspci -nn) and what your symptoms are.
2788 [21:49:19] <wpostma> There are some indications that upstream xfce4 battery manager 1.4.4 ships in Debian has unbounded memory usage, leaks, etc.
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2831 [22:08:06] <jhutchins_wk> wpostma: Do you know how to get top to show per-core usage? That would likely explain the issue.
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2835 [22:09:28] <jhutchins_wk> wpostma: Also, See 2b in the manpage, what is the state of the CPU?
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2893 [22:35:13] <asterismo_l> hi
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2895 [22:36:16] <asterismo_l> petn-randall, i have already replaced one faulty disk in the RAID1, after the other being replaced and synced, i would like to resize the encrypted LVM to 1 TB without restarting the system, is this possible?
2896 [22:36:50] <asterismo_l> someone commented about cryptsetup
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2900 [22:37:23] <asterismo_l> and some command to show the RAID layer order
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2905 [22:39:08] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, lsblk
2906 [22:40:07] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2908 [22:40:13] <asterismo_l> thanks frostschutz
2909 [22:40:33] <asterismo_l> that is the setup, now the RAID1 is rebuilding...
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2912 [22:41:29] <asterismo_l> but the RAID1 hosts all system partitions, is it possible to resize it? even inside an encrypted LVM?
2913 [22:41:38] <asterismo_l> without reboot?
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2915 [22:42:08] <asterismo_l> that would be thy most amazing thing i would ever done in a server so far...
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2918 [22:43:04] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, mdadm --examine /dev/sda1?
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2922 [22:44:17] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, sda is being synced rigth now
2923 [22:44:25] <frostschutz> yes, so?
2924 [22:44:29] <kkkist> is there any way to make every frame of a video file a separate 1 second video of that frame?
2925 [22:44:33] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2926 [22:44:48] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, just commenting it
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2946 [22:46:53] <frostschutz> oookay, that's weird. first things first ... how do you boot? grub2? you'll probably have to reinstall the bootloader after replacing the disks.
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2951 [22:47:24] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, yes
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2953 [22:47:38] <asterismo_l> i'll install grub again
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2964 [22:48:31] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, what do you find weird?
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2966 [22:48:44] <asterismo_l> something wrong in the output?
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3024 [22:53:32] <frostschutz> it's a bit unusual to do partitions on RAID and then LVM
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3031 [22:53:32] <asterismo_l> the debian installer did it automatically
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3045 [22:53:32] <asterismo_l> i think thats the way boot partition is left out of the crypto
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3052 [22:53:32] <asterismo_l> and inside the raid, but maybe there are multiple ways to set it up
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3065 [22:53:32] <frostschutz> normal is partitions (sda1 sda2 sda3), raid on each (md1, md2, md3), then md1 is /boot, md2 is /swap, md3 is LUKS -> LVM -> /root, /home, /whatever
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3068 [22:53:32] <frostschutz> in your case you might have to reboot for resize
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3082 [22:55:05] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, parted /dev/sda unit s print free ; parted /dev/md0 unit s print free ?
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3091 [22:57:29] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, replaced-url
3092 [22:57:43] <vlt> asterismo_l: You can fix this w/o reboot.
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3097 [22:58:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: One possible plan:
3098 [22:58:17] <asterismo_l> vlt, all ears
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3105 [22:59:42] <OS-36666> /join #offsec
3106 [22:59:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: remove one disk from raid, partition it, build new degraded raids, pvformat md3, vgextend, pvmove
3107 [23:00:38] <asterismo_l> i never did anything of that
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3109 [23:00:40] <asterismo_l> lol
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3112 [23:00:46] <vlt> Doable.
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3115 [23:00:53] <frostschutz> yes, you can create a sane structure on the 2nd disk, then pvmove over. but that's super complicated. and you won't know if it boots until you try
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3118 [23:01:25] <vlt> asterismo_l: You can try booting in a virtual machine ;-)
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3123 [23:02:23] <vlt> I did the pvmove part on a new pv on luks on md on new disk several times successfully.
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3127 [23:03:02] <asterismo_l> and what is the option with reboot? i can also boot into a ubs live system and perform a resize easily?
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3129 [23:03:09] <vlt> I forgot: luksformat md3 before pvformat md3_crypt
3130 [23:03:29] <vlt> asterismo_l: Where's the fun in this?
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3132 [23:03:43] <asterismo_l> i'm just evaluating the risks
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3134 [23:04:07] <asterismo_l> and degree of skills needed
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3137 [23:04:21] <OS-36666> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY zzejkzrcqimh
3138 [23:04:36] <rudi_s> OS-36666: Change your password
3139 [23:04:38] <vlt> OS-36666: You want to change your password.
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3142 [23:05:09] <annadane> all i see are asterisks
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3145 [23:05:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: I assume you have a backup somewhere anyways. The point of redundant Raid is not having to reboot when a disk fails.
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3147 [23:06:00] <asterismo_l> vlt, would yod help me write down those commands?
3148 [23:06:02] <vlt> asterismo_l: So, the risk isn't that high.
3149 [23:06:10] <vlt> asterismo_l: Sure.
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3153 [23:06:52] <asterismo_l> now i'm syncing 1tb new drive with an old 500gb disk
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3157 [23:07:12] <asterismo_l> OS-36666, watch out the spaces in your commands
3158 [23:07:52] <OS-36666> ok
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3160 [23:08:19] <asterismo_l> vlt, after that the 1tb disk will be used as 500gb
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3162 [23:08:49] <vlt> asterismo_l: mdadm /dev/mdX --fail /dev/A; mdadm /dev/mdX --remove /dev/A
3163 [23:08:51] <asterismo_l> then i'll connect the remaining 1tb disk and build that new structure
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3165 [23:09:07] <asterismo_l> md0
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3167 [23:09:14] <vlt> asterismo_l: Do this when you're sure you know the current state only.
3168 [23:09:18] <asterismo_l> disks are sda and sdc
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3170 [23:09:28] <asterismo_l> ok
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3174 [23:10:30] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, so the seconds 1 TB disk will be the one to prepare for the new layout, right?
3175 [23:10:34] <vlt> -s
3176 [23:10:44] <asterismo_l> yes
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3180 [23:13:00] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, then create partitions p1 (boot sized) and p2. Then `mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc1 missing; mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc2 missing`
3181 [23:13:18] <vlt> asterismo_l: Assumung sdc is the new disk.
3182 [23:13:22] <vlt> ing
3183 [23:14:01] <asterismo_l> sdc is the remaining 1tb drive
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3188 [23:14:58] <asterismo_l> yes
3189 [23:15:09] <vlt> Then `cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/md2; ... luksOpen /dev/md2 md2_crypt`
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3191 [23:15:32] <vlt> Then `pvformat /dev/mapper/md2_crypt`
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3193 [23:16:08] <vlt> `vgextend <your_vg> /dev/mapper/md2_crypt`
3194 [23:16:09] <asterismo_l> vlt, i have setup dropbear to unlock crypto over ssh, i will be able to configure this rigth?
3195 [23:16:37] <vlt> asterismo_l: Sure. You won't change your initrd. Or only sightly.
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3197 [23:17:03] <asterismo_l> but here you are creating more than one md?
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3200 [23:17:57] <asterismo_l> the system layout is this replaced-url
3201 [23:17:58] <vlt> asterismo_l: One for your /boot, one for the rest.
3202 [23:18:37] <vlt> asterismo_l: Because partitions on raid are a bit weird imho.
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3204 [23:19:24] <asterismo_l> ok
3205 [23:20:02] <asterismo_l> it is md0 and inside it is md0p1, md0p2 and md0p5
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3207 [23:20:38] <vlt> asterismo_l: Right, that's the weird part :D
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3212 [23:22:10] <asterismo_l> i'm writing this down
3213 [23:22:14] <vlt> asterismo_l: After vgextend: `pvmove /dev/md0p5_crypt`
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3217 [23:23:03] <vlt> When done, `vgreduce bulldozer-vg /dev/md0p5_crypt`
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3219 [23:23:49] <vlt> `cryptsetup luksClose md0p5_crypt`
3220 [23:23:56] <vlt> `umount /boot`
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3222 [23:24:16] <vlt> `swapoff -a`
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3225 [23:24:34] <vlt> forget the swapoff
3226 [23:24:53] <vlt> md0p2 confused me ;D
3227 [23:24:54] <xz> I have deployed fresh debian 9.3 EC2 micro instance on AWS. I want to install X environment and access it through web browser (maybe with something like novnc). Do you know of any recommended methods/tutorials for that use case?
3228 [23:25:42] <xz> as of now I only have SSH access and I don't think AWS offers graphical console of any sort, so I don't even know how to test X
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3230 [23:26:21] <vlt> asterismo_l: Forgot one step before umount: mkfs.ext4 /dev/md1; mount that somewhere; rsync -a /boot/ /mnt/somewhere/
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3233 [23:27:21] <vlt> xz: vnc4server, but use an ssh tunnel to connect.
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3235 [23:27:31] <vlt> asterismo_l: Then umount /boot
3236 [23:27:44] <vlt> mdadm --stop /dev/md0
3237 [23:28:13] <vlt> new partitions on sda
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3239 [23:28:34] <vlt> `mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda1`
3240 [23:28:42] <vlt> `mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sda2`
3241 [23:28:44] <xz> vlt I'm behind proxy; I use vultr (they have novnc as a default graphical console) and that works out of the box. For ssh tunnel I'm not sure it would be that simple as I would have to set it up on HTTP port (80)
3242 [23:29:02] <xz> or HTTPS
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3244 [23:29:51] <vlt> xz: HTTPS sounds fine. I don't know novnc or vnc access via browser. I can just recommend something for the server side.
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3248 [23:30:59] <xz> vlt so: vnc4server on target (debian ec2 instance) + ssh tunnel between client and server and regular VNC client on the client?
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3252 [23:31:33] <vlt> asterismo_l: Last steps: because your block device UUIDs have changed you need to adapt at least /etc/default/grub and /etc/crypttab. Maybe /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, depending on the old content.
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3254 [23:31:36] <imMute> Is it possible to mark a file in /etc as *not* a conffile?
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3258 [23:32:51] <vlt> imMute: To be recognized as not such by whom?
3259 [23:32:56] <asterismo_l> vlt, ok
3260 [23:33:14] <asterismo_l> that's it?
3261 [23:33:23] <asterismo_l> then rebuild the raid rigth?
3262 [23:33:25] <xz> vlt is vnc4server all to be installed on server, or I have to install whole X suite on my own too?
3263 [23:33:26] <vlt> asterismo_l: And of course: install grub to both new disks' MBR
3264 [23:33:53] <vlt> asterismo_l: The rebuild is done by the --add commands I posted.
3265 [23:34:06] <asterismo_l> i assume i havo to do a copy of new adapted disk to the other and add it to the raid
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3267 [23:34:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: copy?
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3269 [23:35:34] <asterismo_l> no, the add will sync them, ok
3270 [23:35:37] <asterismo_l> i missed that
3271 [23:35:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: I described that at 22:28 UTC
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3273 [23:35:57] <asterismo_l> let me see if i understood
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3277 [23:36:50] <asterismo_l> md1 md2 would be my md0p?
3278 [23:37:16] <imMute> vlt: dpkg? Basically, I'm making a package that I want to "own" /etc/ntp.conf (for example, there are others). So I'm making my package divert /etc/ntp.conf (via dpkg-divert) and this install my own file. I want updates to my package to unconditionally overwrite /etc/ntp.conf
3279 [23:37:37] <vlt> md1 sits on sd[ac]1 and is your old md0p1
3280 [23:37:43] <imMute> vlt: Just assume that I'm doing something like what Anisble,Chef,Puppet,whatever would do, but I can't use those for reasons that I really don't want to get into right now.
3281 [23:37:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: ^
3282 [23:38:15] <vlt> asterismo_l: md2 sits on sd[ac]2 and is your old md0p5
3283 [23:38:37] <asterismo_l> but that is the lvm?
3284 [23:38:55] <asterismo_l> because inside is the / and swap
3285 [23:39:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: Right.
3286 [23:39:15] <vlt> asterismo_l: With the LUKS layer inbetween.
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3289 [23:39:33] <asterismo_l> and where is swap?
3290 [23:39:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: Still inside your LVM
3291 [23:40:00] <vlt> asterismo_l: Nothing sitting currently on LVs changes.
3292 [23:40:04] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
3293 [23:40:12] <vlt> asterismo_l: That's why you don't have to swapoff
3294 [23:40:17] <asterismo_l> this are my notes, can you check them?
3295 [23:40:29] * vlt checks
3296 [23:40:33] <asterismo_l> but the swap is inside the md0p5
3297 [23:40:44] <asterismo_l> see replaced-url
3298 [23:40:56] <vlt> asterismo_l: So?
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3300 [23:41:18] <asterismo_l> oh i did a pvmove /dev/md0p5_crypt
3301 [23:41:24] <asterismo_l> it copied there
3302 [23:41:30] <vlt> asterismo_l: Moved.
3303 [23:41:47] <vlt> asterismo_l: That's the great thing about LVM.
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3305 [23:42:16] <asterismo_l> vgreduce bulldozer-vg /dev/md0p5_crypt will upsize the partition?
3306 [23:42:52] <vlt> asterismo_l: It will remove the now empty physical volume.
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3309 [23:43:24] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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3311 [23:44:07] <vlt> asterismo_l: Between line 5 and 6 you have to insert your new disk and format it.
3312 [23:44:25] <tobiasBora> I'd like to try to use emacs to read my email, saved locally. So I'm now trying to find the best programs to work behind. The first part I need to look at is the program that will download all the mails into a maildir.
3313 [23:44:43] <vlt> asterismo_l: line 11: bulldozer-vg
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3315 [23:45:41] <asterismo_l> without the quotes <> rigth?
3316 [23:45:54] <vlt> asterismo_l: lines 12 and 13 might be /dev/mapper/md0p5_crypt. Check `pvs`.
3317 [23:46:03] <vlt> asterismo_l: Without <>
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3319 [23:46:41] <vlt> asterismo_l: line 16: /mnt/somewhere has to exist ;-)
3320 [23:46:51] <asterismo_l> pvs¿
3321 [23:46:53] <asterismo_l> ?
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3323 [23:47:41] <vlt> asterismo_l: pvs to show you the actual name
3324 [23:48:41] <asterismo_l> ok
3325 [23:48:45] <vlt> If line 19 fails you might have to "unregister" the weird partitions on md0 using kpartx or something like that.
3326 [23:49:07] <tobiasBora> But I can't find a really satisfying program. offlineimap is slow and buggy, mbsync seems to be hard to set up because I need to manually add one entry for all the possible channels... And on top of that, non of them can deal with IMAP IDLE, so I need to add one more tool (like mswatch)... And also there is fetchmail in the game, but it has not been maintained for more than 4 years, does not support IDLE for
3327 [23:49:08] <tobiasBora> more than one server, and is supposed to have some security issue... So I'm a bit lost: what is, for you, the best program that can let me download my mails as soon as they arrive (no dirty loop) on an IMAP server that may contain plenty of folders that I don't want to setup by hand?
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3330 [23:49:30] <asterismo_l> md0 is the raid1 base partition
3331 [23:49:31] <vlt> asterismo_l: Before line 20 you have to create the new partitions on sda.
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3333 [23:50:11] <vlt> asterismo_l: I know. But I don't know how the kernel loaded md0px.
3334 [23:50:38] <vlt> asterismo_l: Maybe you can't stop md0 if it's still used to provide partitions.
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3336 [23:50:49] <vlt> asterismo_l: For instance by "kpartx".
3337 [23:51:20] <vlt> after line 25: /etc/fstab
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3341 [23:52:47] <vlt> asterismo_l: Last advice: Don't blindly run commands you got from strangers on the internet if you don't fully understand them.
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3346 [23:53:26] <asterismo_l> vlt, are you a stranger
3347 [23:53:27] <asterismo_l> ?
3348 [23:53:32] <asterismo_l> :)
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3354 [23:55:29] <asterismo_l> vlt, is your nick standing for the VLT telescope?
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3356 [23:56:16] <vlt> asterismo_l: Nope
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3359 [23:57:13] <somiaj> people are strange when your a stranger, Though that advise is good, many problems I see here could be avoided by people not blinding following some 'type these commands guide' they find on the interwebs.
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3361 [23:58:50] <asterismo_l> if i manage to understand all steps its different than blindly issuing commands
3362 [23:59:08] <asterismo_l> vlt, i still have some questions
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