3[00:00:32] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: I want to avoid upstream updating my changed package, as I see it I could do a few things, one is to increase the version a major or so artifitially, in stable this shouldn't get overwritten, another is to use apt.kar hold on the package na dpray, I wonder if there's any way compatible with debian version format and dch of saying "this is version 2.1-deb9-mine", and the last is to rename the package
4[00:00:34] <SpeakerToMeat> to package-mine but this would mean changing control, changelog, etc
5[00:00:52] <Brigo> memo1, i was wondering about a message from SpeakerToMeat
8[00:01:31] <memo1> Brigo: im learning. Irc is great. What is SpeakerToMeat?
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10[00:01:54] <themill> SpeakerToMeat: renaming the package means dependencies would not be satisfied; possibly not what you want. hold or pinning is better for this
11[00:01:56] <Brigo> memo1, another user (i hope) writing now in this channel.
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33[00:12:00] <nezZario> Okay. So accidentally did a hard power off, and now i cant boot into graphical. That terminal on 'F7', gets to a certain point,, and just sits there and blinks. I'm running lightdm and xfce, never had an issue before
34[00:12:27] <nezZario> I unplugged all non essential hardware just to see and that's a no go
48[00:16:45] <nezZario> No thats what's weird, i can login to another terminal fine.. I just don't know where to even begin... I sont see anything out of the ordinary in the logs
60[00:27:24] <tomreyn> force fsck on non-write-mounted file systems (mount rw to ro where needed), check dmesg -T, check smart, do a short or long self-test
67[00:32:13] <nezZario> I'm booted. Looks like an xorg failure. Guess I got a little data loss? I'll try a fsck. But xorg'slog sats something about AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
68[00:32:16] <memo1> Brigo: noob queestion. Regarding my problem, my system have 4G ram, and the automated installer set swap to 4GBytes. That can be the problem?
72[00:33:04] <nezZario> I'm on mobile excuse my typing skills
73[00:34:07] <memo1> nezZario: just wondering. I cant install a debian system using usb. Im checking ram and hardisk for hardware problems
74[00:34:42] <sevagh> hello. we have an internal mirror of the squeeze upstream repository - today we got a KEYEXPIRED error when using pbuilder. now, i'm not great with debian so i'm maybe not phrasing the question very well, but is today an expected date for the squeeze repo key to change, or for it to be deprecated, or something?
75[00:34:49] <sevagh> (we have a handful of legacy squeeze boxes)
94[00:39:49] <mnuhmnuh> nezZario: any chance another user/process is still reading from/writing to it? -o remount ... should work otherwise.
95[00:39:53] <somiaj> and are you still getting key expired using archive.debian.org?
96[00:39:56] <in1t3r> Debian as the project originally do not support anything more then oldstable which is now jessie. And before it there are more Wheezy and only then squeeze
97[00:40:13] <sevagh> i will check that, thanks somiaj
98[00:40:17] <Brigo> memo1, no, the system try to use as much ram as it can, but it will adapt to any changes in needs.
99[00:40:24] <in1t3r> yes archive.debian.org is only way for so old boxes
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101[00:40:50] <somiaj> do not support is different than providing the old sources, debian has always proided the old sources, so it might be that due to squeeze-lts, you just got use to getting the sources from a trusted mirror and now enough time has passed you need to switch to archive.debian.org
102[00:41:09] <mnuhmnuh> nezZario: lsof?
103[00:41:10] <sevagh> that makes sense. let me try pointing our mirrors to archive.debian.org
104[00:41:15] <in1t3r> I would recommend doing an update to wheezy and then stretch. Or if you can afford do a fresh install of the stretch
105[00:41:49] <in1t3r> Of course save a list of installed packages and install it again I mean some of them not old libraries or depreceated
106[00:41:51] <sevagh> yeah we're trying hard to deprecate our last handful of squeeze boxes (majority of them are stretch right now)
107[00:42:06] <somiaj> memo1: swap is usually set equal to ram so you can hibernate. With 4gigs of ram, unless you are hibernating (or actually using 6+ gigs) that amount of swap is overkill, but defaults are usualyl swap=meoery.
108[00:42:09] <sevagh> but there's always 5-10 "so important you can't decomssion them!" boxes in the back somewhere...
109[00:42:31] <somiaj> in1t3r: you skipped jessie in that upgrade.
118[00:43:24] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
119[00:43:43] <in1t3r> Yeah sorry my error I know that there is an archive I meant that there is no support in a way of updates or any security updates
120[00:43:53] <in1t3r> Which do not exist for anything but old stable
121[00:44:15] <in1t3r> And since raphael and group started doing LTS also for the lts I mean oldoldstable
122[00:44:30] <somiaj> sevagh: if the archive.debian.org (make sure .org and not .net) is giving you the key expiered error, you may want to contact some admin of the archive or mailing list. The keys should at least be updated for people who want packages from the archive.
123[00:44:47] <in1t3r> which is of course invalid codename I mean oldoldstable grandpastable :)
124[00:44:51] <somiaj> in1t3r: lts has security support these days, so currently oldoldstable is also getting support.
125[00:45:21] <somiaj> though limited, which mostly means server side software on x86 and maybe arm, but no desktop software or other arches.
126[00:45:49] <in1t3r> I know and I know the group which do that too. :) raphaelhertzog and others
131[00:48:04] <in1t3r> I do actually "maintain" I mean not that much active anymore debian community of 50000 users on google plus where I'm owner of the same. Its strange being an owner of the for a long time only really free distribution which allowed you to choice. nowdays with systemd and some other unifications in linux waters its less about choice but anyway still one of the best distros beside Gentoo.
132[00:48:47] <in1t3r> We want offtopic so I will keep on topic.
133[00:50:10] <in1t3r> swap == memory is actually normal except in use case where you use swap a lot and want swap to be saved to swap too beside full ram on suspend
137[00:51:56] <in1t3r> Also there is something that is still not in the mainline kernel and I guess will not be in recent years or maybe ever as it conflicted for a while with a zswap and its far ore useful then zswap.
140[00:53:13] <in1t3r> It is the UKSM Ultra KSM page merging which merges all of the pages that are basically the same and replaces them in memory with only pointer to region in memory where one of the instances of that page is stored. Useful for low ram systems.
141[00:53:37] <in1t3r> it is inside of the pf-kernel as one of the patches.
145[00:54:58] <nezZario> What is 'nomodeset'? I've booted into single user modr. I can boot and login to the machine's shell fine. But the tty (I believe thats the proper term) that would normally show lightdm and then launch the wm.. It just sits thrre and blinks a cursor. But I can get into the system via pressing alt+F1 and switcging tty. However, I just noticed that for whatever whacky dacky reason, my usb wifi is totally missing
146[00:54:58] <nezZario> from iwconfig as well. So I can't even reach the net in somvein attempt to reinstall some stuff
147[00:55:54] <mtn> nezZario: add nomodeset to the kernel line in the grub menu. it sounds like you have a video driver problem
148[00:55:56] <in1t3r> nomodeset is parameter passed to kernel that tell to kernel to not use the kms
149[00:56:39] <nezZario> I'll sure give it a shot!
157[00:58:58] <in1t3r> the best way is to edit grub
158[00:59:02] <awal1> nezZario, that means edit /etc/default/grub file and at that to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line for normal boot, or to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX for all modes, such as recovery one
159[00:59:06] <in1t3r> I mean /etc/default/grub
160[00:59:08] <mtn> nezZario: yes, add it to the end of the line
169[01:01:20] <in1t3r> I mean for not permanent change just when grub shows up press e and then go on linux line and after other parameters add nomodeset and press ctrl+x to boot
170[01:01:44] <in1t3r> I wrote you how to edit the grub menu
171[01:01:49] <nezZario> I'm aware, let me try it in combination with single user
172[01:02:15] <mnuhmnuh> netone or t'other.
173[01:02:33] <mnuhmnuh> nezZario: or t'other.
174[01:02:45] <in1t3r> Yes if you boot in single user ode you will need to systemctl all of the needed services as it boots onbly few processes no network
267[01:56:18] <wpostma> I just hit the lovely bug in Plasma/KDE in Stretch that was everywhere three years ago while Ubuntu was on this version. Black screen and mouse pointer. Seems sddm or something just goes dumb. Have to zap your .cache and .configs.
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312[02:11:34] <majest1c> Do I need to make the .iso bootable first since I use windows? If i already were running Linux then it would load the iso straight away from the usb right?
313[02:11:40] <somiaj> tw3k: most of the replays to that thread were of out dated info...
314[02:11:40] <tw3k> I've been liking terminology as my terminal. Doesn't seem to be in the repository tho
322[02:13:03] <somiaj> tw3k: well most don't realize the changes I did to create a default-config both upstream and in the debian package, so a lot of outdated info about that.
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325[02:15:03] <tw3k> somiaj: I didn't mess around with but it'd be interesting to at some point. fun to see the lineage on wikipedia too. Used to be a e17 fan and can see similarities
326[02:15:59] <somiaj> i3 and openbox seem to be more popular minimial window managers these days, I just personally like to power of fvwm (though one has to like to deal with things manually, for those use to gui tools and desktops it may not be the switch they want)
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373[02:55:02] <maeestro> I only have wifi trying to install debian from a USB stick on a Dell XPS 13 (9343), however I have some issues detecting the ethernet card, how do I manage this? I cant find mine in the list, what should I do?
379[02:58:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
382[02:58:47] <somiaj> maeestro: the easiest way is to use the firmware image, it most likely has the firmware needed for your wifi. If you don't want to download a new image, you'll have to manually get the firmware and copy it over to the system.
384[02:59:04] <somiaj> maeestro: the netinstall has a fully funcational base system, so you can install without the network, copy the firmware over, and then get your network up and running to complete the isntall
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395[03:03:21] <somiaj> you can only install a minmial base system with the netinstaller
396[03:03:40] <somiaj> you'll have to get networking (for wifi this means downloading and copying firmware to the machine) to install anything beyond that minimial system.
397[03:03:59] <somiaj> other wise, yes you can install a minmial base system without network with the netinstall
399[03:04:42] <maeestro> Im not sure how to get the network firmware for the Dell XPS 13 (9343) though, I can only get the dell .exe network driver but I assume the operating system wont be able to load executables
403[03:05:04] <somiaj> debian provides most firmware, you will hve to let me know what wifi chipset is being used for that.
404[03:05:09] <tw3k> maeestro: what card is it?
405[03:05:44] <hiexpo> hey all when i click say a link in a book or something it calls and opens the link in google chrome i want it to use firefox how do i change that thanks
406[03:05:54] <maeestro> tw3k: No idea, it just says "Dell Wireless 1560 WiFi Driver"
407[03:06:22] <somiaj> maeestro: we can't really tell you what firmare you ened until you get us chipset info, which you can do with lscpi if on a *nix system.
415[03:07:28] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
417[03:07:39] <hiexpo> somiaj, ebook reader for sure
418[03:07:46] <somiaj> maeestro: ^^ that installer should have all the firmware you need, and you can install it.
419[03:08:01] <somiaj> hiexpo: what ebook reader? It might be you need to configure that ebook reader to open up the links with a different browser.
420[03:08:23] <maeestro> somiaj: Yeah I can get a netinstall, but I will probably need the drivers anyways, maybe I can use it then type the command you said to find the card
421[03:08:43] <somiaj> maeestro: you only need that firmware image I linked.
424[03:09:11] <somiaj> maeestro: linux doesn't usually require additional drivers, they are mostly contained in the kernel, that unofficall firmware netinstall sh ould be enough to get you debian and your network working.
425[03:09:23] <oct2pus> i'm having some issues with netbeans from the debian archives on debian testing. It seems to fail when I get to load modules. It previously worked but I had install openjfx and it seemed to no longer work even after removing it
426[03:10:02] <somiaj> hiexpo: I would look first into just configureing fbreader directly, if not you can look at xdg-mime and see what the setting for the default-browser and text/html is
439[03:15:59] <maeestro> somiaj: that installer you linked assumes you already are on a linux system to download the files
440[03:16:30] <somiaj> maeestro: no it doesn't, it works form windows
441[03:16:32] <mnuhmnuh> oct2pus: suggest (assuming availability), add deb-src sid line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt update && apt builddep packagename"
442[03:16:43] <somiaj> maeestro: sorry
443[03:16:45] <somiaj> !firmware images
444[03:16:45] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
445[03:16:55] <somiaj> maeestro: ^^ (I had the bot give the wrong factoid)
451[03:18:21] <awal1> maestro: official debian images doesn't includ non-free stuff, like non free firmware , call it driver if you want; the unofficial one includes non-free stuff (firmware/drivers). so just download that unofficial linked by somiaj, burn it on windows and use it!
453[03:18:41] <somiaj> hiexpo: you might be able to find a prefered applications control tool to set this with a gui, but yea you can try to configure your xdg (freedesktop standards) using xdg-mime and various tools, or what I would do is just change the command fbreader uses.
470[03:24:14] <maeestro> somiaj: When I install the firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso it brings me to the network card and cant find it anyways, maybe I understood you wrong
473[03:25:09] <somiaj> how did you install it? Anyways, that should work, but unless you actually can give us info on what wifi card you have, it is hard to help
474[03:25:28] <maeestro> I just pressed "Graphical install" and followed instructions
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476[03:26:26] <maeestro> seems like I can continue now though
477[03:26:27] <tw3k> I've had that trouble before. Try wireless.wiki.kernel.org
481[03:27:55] <somiaj> the biggest issue I know of is the broadcom wifi cards. Debian cannot distribute that firmware and it has to be removed from a windows driver with a firmware cutter. But there are other chipsets out there that may not have linux support as well.
482[03:28:24] <tw3k> maybe it was because i didn't use the non-free. but you get propmted to insert usb for the firmware and if you skip that you can install anyway
483[03:28:39] <Gelrooss> Hi
484[03:28:57] <oct2pus> apt builddep doesn't seem to be a command
489[03:30:07] <somiaj> tw3k: if so, that one is a pain to get to work without another internet connection (manaulaly cutting the firmware out takes some work)
490[03:30:38] <somiaj> debian has a script that will download the driver and cut out the firmware, but you need another network connection for this.
491[03:30:45] <somiaj> oct2pus: build-dep I think
492[03:31:07] <somiaj> oct2pus: and if apt dosn't have it, use apt-get build-dep
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513[03:37:45] <oct2pus> i then installed netbeans after building, and then i seem to have the same issue, it fails silently after reaching "Turning on modules"
518[03:39:20] <somiaj> correct, a minimial install won't have a gui, and it sounds like you have a broadcom chipset which is gonna take some more work.
537[03:43:09] <oct2pus> i mean i don't see a change between the two and as far as i can tell it just installs the dependencies without installing the actual program
543[03:45:10] <mnuhmnuh> oct2pus: what?!? :-) source from sid is latest, on your existent system; safest.
544[03:45:17] <somiaj> maeestro: that one will take a bit of work, I think the wl driver (not included in the kernel) might be the best approach for that chipset, replaced-url
548[03:45:50] <somiaj> maeestro: it would be easiest if you could somehow get another connection to install that following the instructions there, otherwise you may have to manually download a bunch of packages from packages.debian.org to get it to work.
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562[03:49:43] <mnuhmnuh> !ubuntu
563[03:49:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
564[03:49:52] <somiaj> don't just download random stuff and expect it to work, in this case don't expect ubuntu packages to work in debian.
565[03:50:13] <mnuhmnuh> !frankendebian
566[03:50:13] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
573[03:54:02] <maeestro> would be easy if there was just a file for the network driver I could download then just load it and install the driver
574[03:54:40] <somiaj> it is possible, but it will requring downloading a hand full of packages by hand. You just got unluckly with the wifi chipset on that machine.
586[03:59:47] <rant> more like what useless piece of silicon is he trying to use as a wireless card :P
587[03:59:51] <dvs> oh noes
588[03:59:53] <somiaj> hiexpo: Broadcom in general is a pain even with firmware, in this case it is the BCM4352 which seems to be only supported by the out of kernel driver 'wl'
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595[04:01:32] <quint> I know you can achieve this with "ip token set", but surely there's a simple way to put that into a config file instead of scripting it
609[04:06:31] <somiaj> quint: there maynot be a setup option for this, but you can do both pre-up and post-up scripts in the interfaces file to put it in the config file, though you may still need some script
623[04:12:14] <quint> rant, somiaj there is in fact an option. I must have missed it the first time around. The option is IPv6Token, whcih belongs under [Network]
636[04:16:41] <renzhi> hi, my android phone running cyanogenmod just died and totally bricked, I try to mount the sdcard on my debian, but it always "mount: /media/xp: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.". The cfdisk command shows the partition type to be unknown. Anyway I can recover this?
642[04:21:13] <somiaj> maeestro: that is one of the many pacakges you would have to download and install
643[04:21:31] <somiaj> maeestro: you would also have to download and install all the building and dkms tools and linux-headers to actually build the driver in that package.
649[04:24:15] <ealfonso> why would a default debian install not include ifconfig (net-tools) even though I specified 'standard' and even 'ssh-server' tasks
655[04:27:51] <ealfonso> I actually don't use nm or nmcli, so now I have to manually install net-tools
656[04:28:16] <tw3k> well... nm was wrong anyway
657[04:30:07] <somiaj> ealfonso: ip and iw have replaced net-tools
658[04:30:42] <somiaj> in general, most consider using the newer tools preferable, and maybe they were trying to slim down the minmial system by not including duplicate tools.
659[04:30:51] <somiaj> though net-tools is still there for those who want them
676[04:39:45] <rant> renzhi: well actually what WAS the filesystem FAT?
677[04:39:56] <ealfonso> is it correct that 'Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e)' means I have to apt-get firmware-iwlwifi? is there a tool to determine which wifi driver I need?
678[04:40:16] <rant> renzhi: gpart might be of some help if there is damage to the partition table, the fs is a different story
679[04:40:47] <somiaj> ealfonso: you can double check the pciid of the card to see if it is supported, but yes, that looks like an intel card which are all under the iwlwifi driver, and that firmware should be what you need.
680[04:40:53] <rant> ealfonso: usually it'll tell you in the kernel output if there is missing firmware what driver you need
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775[05:39:02] <Pendrag0n> I hope no one minds, my question is more putty related than debian (but the putty room is by invitation only). When I press CTRL+D, to end the session and have it close, the putty shell/window closes just fine. When my session ends by timing out, or if the connection is lost, or when my putty session ends (from my Debian server) in any other way, whereas I get the little "Connection has been lost" popup, after clicking "OK" on the popup and then it says "(
799[05:49:51] <Pendrag0n> no, you guys were missing cruicial parts of my issue, give me one second, about to paste in in chunks
800[05:50:13] <Pendrag0n> I hope no one minds, my question is more putty related than debian (but the putty room is by invitation only). When I press CTRL+D, to end the session and have it close, the putty shell/window closes just fine.
801[05:50:19] <Pendrag0n> When my session ends by timing out, or if the connection is lost, or when my putty session ends (from my Debian server) in any other way, whereas I get the little "Connection has been lost" popup, after clicking "OK" on the popup and then it says "(inactive)" in the title bar.....
803[05:50:25] <Pendrag0n> MY PROBLEM: I can't close the window. Not by clicking the red close X at the top right corner of putty, not by pressing CTRL+D, to end the session, nothing. when I right click putty on the taskbar, the word "close" is missing from the options... the only way I have found to close it, is to click the inactive window, and then press "ALT+F4"
804[05:50:31] <Pendrag0n> Has anyone else experienced this, and does anyone know how to fix it?
805[05:50:37] <Pendrag0n> There we go, that was all of it
806[05:50:44] <teatime> you now this isn't #putty, right
810[05:51:26] <Pendrag0n> yes, it is a putty question, but the #putty room is invite only, so I figured many of you guys likely use putty just like I do.
811[05:51:40] <joe___> I've been trying to install Debian off of a live USB and am having some trouble
812[05:51:59] <joe___> When I go to install, debian says it is looking for a live CD to install packages from
813[05:52:15] <joe___> is there any simple way to point it from the usb stick that I am booting it from
814[05:52:17] <Pendrag0n> I have like 7 other Debian related questions, but I am going to ask one at a time, to avoid confussion
815[05:52:36] <Pendrag0n> hm.. joe__ I thnk I know of a way
822[05:54:01] <Pendrag0n> @joe__ There may be a few ways of doing the same thing, try editing your /ets/fstab to create a mount point, or just manually mount it, to /dev/cdrom that's what I did for a folder that I wanted treated as a CDROM, although the mount point may be off by a smidge, I'd have to look it up, but you get the idea, right?
823[05:54:39] <ealfonso> now xcalib doesn't work either. 'unsupported ramp size'... why is everything broken in stretch?
824[05:54:40] <joe___> ok, I tried to mount it and it said I couldnt use mout
825[05:54:45] <Pendrag0n> So I take it no one else has expreienced the putty issue I am ?
832[05:55:09] <somiaj> ealfonso: what was the workaround (didn't click the link)
833[05:55:09] <Pendrag0n> yeah, fstab, and there are different kinds of mount points, you need to use a bind-mount I beleive
834[05:55:29] <somiaj> joe___: are you trying to install from inside the live enviomrent, or did you boot directly into the debian installer on the live image?
835[05:55:42] <ealfonso> adding needs_root_rights=yes to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
836[05:55:52] <joe___> I used a live USB to run the installer
837[05:56:21] <joe___> and then it said it is looking for installation files in /dev/cdrom [which is empty because I booted from a USB]
841[05:56:39] <Pendrag0n> Fuck, so no one else. for my question... alright.. next question. I installed ubuntu desktop JUST so that my crew and I can rdesktop and share the screen once a month for meetings, but other than that, I want to run it as a Debian server. Other than gnome and X, is there anything else I should "stop" while we are just using it server mode?
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843[05:56:43] <joe___> I havent had this trouble with other distros; I guess I will play with mounting or messing with fstab
844[05:56:56] <Pendrag0n> @joe__ you can use fstab to auto mount the USB to that point, /dev/cdrom
845[05:56:59] <tw3k> !ubuntu
846[05:56:59] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
847[05:57:08] <tw3k> next
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850[05:57:31] <somiaj> ealfonso: you may want to just install the xserver-xorg-legacy package, it is the old setuid xorg server setup and can get around a lot of the permission errors (though unsure why it isn't working that nicely for you, it is working for me here)
851[05:57:41] <joe___> awesome, I will check that out, hopefully it works
854[05:58:11] <Pendrag0n> thanks tw3k, do you at least have any ideas about the putty thing? the "close" command/option window dissapears from the application menu (title bar/ task bar menu)
866[06:01:15] <Pendrag0n> well, next question is... I have a server that got fucked up. it has a tremendous amount of important data. But what happened is it used to be connected to an encrypted mesh network. SLAP D pulled user perms from mysql and ldap, and those were in an encrypted drive which isn't there anymore. Then the thing joined the mesh network. Now I just need it to be on my home network. I've tried editing /etc/network/interfaces and setting "auto lo" and "iface lo in
867[06:01:24] <Pendrag0n> I still can't start networking
872[06:01:58] <Pendrag0n> it for some reason still bitches about slapd, what other files could I be missing (looking at) other than /etc/network/interfaces?
875[06:02:49] <somiaj> there are various tings that can configure the network. There are possibliy additional files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/, you could also have some init script or systemd unit wanting to bring things up, or even tools like network-manager.
876[06:02:53] <Pendrag0n> now that id def a debian question @tw3k ;-)
877[06:02:57] <tw3k> Hard to say. Sounds quit customized
878[06:03:12] <tw3k> heh :)
879[06:03:34] <Pendrag0n> /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty
880[06:03:50] <Pendrag0n> trying to quit customized, and bring it back to defaults.
881[06:03:59] <tw3k> I'm no master by any means but I'd follow syslog and dmesg -Hw and start with disabling slapd
882[06:04:06] <Pendrag0n> I can't figure out what else to do, I am an engineer (software) not sys admin
883[06:04:09] <Pendrag0n> but that was helpful
884[06:04:16] <Pendrag0n> in the right direction, to look in /etc/network/interfaces.d, thank you
885[06:04:27] <Pendrag0n> I did, it's empty, what's next? where else should I look?
886[06:04:40] <tw3k> can you just migate the data to a fresh install?
887[06:04:41] <Pendrag0n> ah I just saw what you typed above
888[06:04:55] <Pendrag0n> NOOO so much important data sprnkled all over the thing
920[06:08:50] <Pendrag0n> I forgot, I am a debian guy, through and through, to the bone, but back when I stood this up, debian was trailing in security, in their stable version at lesat, it didn't have apparmor, but ubuntu server did........
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922[06:08:52] <Pendrag0n> so.... sorry
923[06:09:00] <Pendrag0n> wrong room for this question I gues...
924[06:09:10] <Pendrag0n> slaps self with trout
925[06:09:18] <cheapie> "What version of Debian are you running?" "Ubuntu Server 17.10" "???"
938[06:11:31] <Pendrag0n> anywho, I'm in the wrong room I supose, unless somiaj or tw3k want to continue helping anyays, I treat this thing like it is debian, I've uninstalled all gui related anything.
939[06:11:37] <Pendrag0n> installed aptitude.
940[06:12:01] <tw3k> there like custom programs on it or somwething?
941[06:12:41] <Pendrag0n> oh hell yeah, for one, it was our backup server before we lost the entire network, for two, there are bitcoin, and custom code for our messnetwork, and tor, and bitcoin bug fixes, etc
942[06:12:58] <somiaj> the core of ubuntu is quite different from debian, so you should be seeking support for ubuntu.
946[06:13:50] <Pendrag0n> I gotta jet, I have to go over to the server rack, and watch syslog as tw3k suggested. the damn thing doesn't have networking running, (which is the problem) so I can't just ssh into it.
947[06:14:10] <Pendrag0n> I wonder why the hell someone has the putty room locked down to invite only, what an asshole.
980[06:31:39] <annadane> deaninous, you can try posting the error message to paste.debian.net but kali is not generally supported here because there are differences between it and debian
988[06:35:57] <mrjpaxton> Hey, I got a quick question. My computer just crashed randomly, and I had to reboot. Is there any way I can look at kernel/systemd logs after a reboot? I just need a list or directory of files to look at specifically.
989[06:37:09] <teatime> mrjpaxton: can try /var/log but there will likely not be too much of interest there about your issue under the default configuration
992[06:41:23] <mrjpaxton> teatime: Strangely enough as I was looking through /var/log, everything is labeled a year ago from 2017... Hmmm.
993[06:41:53] <mrjpaxton> Also, by default configuration, you mean I should be running the kernel in a different mode to debug?
994[06:42:19] <teatime> just that systemd journal doesn't log journal to disk by default
995[06:42:33] <teatime> and I think that will keep you from having the kernel log (dmesg) around from the previous boot
996[06:42:36] <teatime> I could be wrong though
997[06:42:37] <adminewb> is that why systemd is evil?
998[06:42:43] <teatime> not precisely
999[06:43:29] <mrjpaxton> Oh, I see. Hmm... I guess I'll never know unless it happens again. Maybe I will enable disk writing, if I can figure that out. Thanks for your help.
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1032[07:00:55] <Stummi> linuxthefish, yeah. use LUKS to encrypt your HDD. In "a an emergency" you just have to wipe the key block and all the data will become unusable.
1033[07:01:16] <Stummi> you could easily destroy terabytes of data within less of a second
1034[07:01:37] <linuxthefish> Stummi, what would deleting the key block mean? Is that a file or in memory?
1035[07:02:05] <Stummi> linuxdaemon, IIRC (don't quote me on that, look it up yourself) the first few blocks of your luks partition
1036[07:02:09] <teatime> under LUKS, the keys are stored encrypted by a passphrase, on the disk itself. Remove the keys, the data on the disk is unrecoverable.
1037[07:03:06] <linuxthefish> I guess deleting the boot partition on a luks encrypted system would make it look like my computer was broken
1043[07:06:03] <linuxthefish> Thanks guys, was just an interesting thought, unfortunately in my country (the UK) refusing to give encryption keys or wiping your computer is a crime even if you haven't done anything wrong
1044[07:06:09] <password2> nah , termites
1045[07:06:21] <linuxthefish> teatime, I was watching a video where they tried thermite on a disk and it didn't work too well
1046[07:06:41] <teatime> it would have to work better than rm -rf / :)
1050[07:09:00] <Stummi> linuxdaemon, look up steganography. Its the topic of hiding the presence of data, instead just of encrypting it. Its a very interesting topic itself
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1315[09:42:34] <Tartifle> Hi guys ! I'm facing a really strange issue with promiscious mode; whenever I enable it on an interface, there is a huge amount of packets/bytes on it (~100mo/s) with lots of drops; so far, easily explainable; the thing is : I have the same problem even if the cable is unplugged
1389[10:12:34] <Lyberta> hi, I've installed the base system on luks partition and want to make it bootable, how to add it to GRUB and not my current system?
1390[10:12:35] <godzila> can someone help me with smth?:)
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1423[10:24:27] <Nsolon> is there a debian specific place to get help for NetworkManager? The gnome applet crashes when I try to connect to a WPA Enterprise network, but works fine for networks that are open or only need a password
1427[10:26:05] <Nsolon> I tried googling and looking over eg ArchWiki or the Debian documentation, but I couldn't find any fixes for networkmanager generally or the error I get specifically
1549[11:32:41] <czart_> BCMM: Why? For what purpose?
1550[11:33:02] <BCMM> czart_: well, there are multiple different implementations of netcat in the world
1551[11:33:08] <BCMM> czart_: and they don't all have exactly the same features
1552[11:33:11] <BCMM> so debian gives people a choice
1553[11:33:34] <czart_> I just need netcat to check whether a database server (PostgreSQL) is up (a simple scripts that invoke netcat periodically).
1554[11:33:39] <BCMM> but instead of having to type out something like nc.openbsd every time, the debian alternatives system symlinks /bin/nc for convenience
1555[11:33:49] <BCMM> fwiw i've got netcat-openbsd providing it. automatically installed as a recommendation of libvirt-daemon, of all things.
1556[11:34:12] <czart_> BCMM: Okay, many thanks for elaboration.
1572[11:37:53] <czart_> I have general question, because I was using Ubuntu before solely. How it compares with Debian in terms of running a web server (e.g. with Nginix serving Python applications)?
1573[11:38:09] <czart_> (has been using*)
1574[11:38:16] <teatime> essentially the same.
1575[11:38:34] <BCMM> czart_: very very similar
1576[11:38:39] <czart_> Cool :-)
1577[11:38:59] <BCMM> czart_: you might have different version of some packages. it'll depend on which debian release and which ubuntu release we're talking about, of course
1607[11:44:17] <czart_> teatime: Okay, I will bear this in mind.
1608[11:44:25] <BCMM> czart_: yeah, its basically reuse of source packages. ubuntu takes from debian *source packages*, not compiled binaries. in general, finished .debs are not compatible between the two
1610[11:45:17] <czart_> Okay, I will try to grasp the differences in-depth in spare time... Thanks guys :-) I am going to set up this netcat and work on the script. Cheers.
1702[12:36:12] <bolt> When I'm connected to my x11vnc server after upgrading to stretch, the server sometimes says "caught signal 6" and shuts down. This didn't happen on Jessie. How can I figure out what's sending it ABRT?
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1705[12:37:18] <teatime> it is probably the program itself
1706[12:37:24] <acr_> bolt how to you upgrade to stretch?
1861[14:16:13] <gypsymauro> I've to serve some custom deb packages on my LAN , I used nginx to publish them on a folder and I added on my sources.lists htt://myserver/folder ./ but it works on some old version of debian but not on the new ones, they says: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1862[14:16:19] <gypsymauro> to download this.. seems something that blocks it before, and the strange is that it works on ancient version of debian, it's cause I didnt' sign the repository?
1881[14:33:08] <bolt> gypsymauro: 403 Forbidden is a response from your webserver. try fetching the URL with curl/wget/whatever. you should get the same response
1882[14:33:13] <bolt> probably, your web server config is outdated
1973[15:28:23] <tw> Normally, I'd use `xdg-mime default some.other.desktop inode/directory` to set the default.
1974[15:29:28] <BCMM> MrKeuner: to slightly clarify the above, there's nothing special about the "default file browser". it's just the default application for opening a particular type of file.
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2025[15:46:29] <zodd> I have an old server I cannot upgrade. When I try to git clone something from github I get: gnutls_handshake() failed: The specified session has been invalidated for some reason.
2032[15:47:29] <petn-randall> well, rather the OS on it.
2033[15:49:23] <RoyK> zodd: pastebin output of "lsb_release -a", please
2034[15:49:46] <BanHammor> zodd, i'm suspecting you don't have up-to-date certs. The solution is to either manually update your SSL certs or flat out not check them, a-la "GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true git fetch...".
2035[15:50:05] <zodd> ow. Sorry. I should have mentioned: Debian Squeeze.
2038[15:50:43] <JustASlacker> updating certs is no fun
2039[15:50:44] <MrKeuner> You may know this already but it could probably because of security updates applied to github not being backward compatible with the gnutls version you run on the old server. You cannot even upgrade single package?
2040[15:50:47] <BanHammor> is there a specific reason you can't upgrade?
2041[15:50:51] <RoyK> zodd: heh - long time suppport until 2016-02-29
2042[15:51:01] <bolt> When I'm connected to my x11vnc server after upgrading to stretch, the server sometimes says "caught signal 6" and shuts down. This didn't happen on Jessie. How can I figure out what's sending it ABRT?
2043[15:51:10] <RoyK> zodd: better just reinstall the thing - it'll be easier
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2053[15:53:07] <jhutchins_wk> My guess would be that the default protocol needs to be set to something newer - like not TLS 1.0. The older gnutls should still be capable of the newer protocols, it just doesn't default to them.
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2091[16:05:22] <BanHammor> not really helpful advice, but you should REALLY lobby your higher-ups to spend a few days upgrading, this is a security breach waiting to happen,
2129[16:18:19] <tw> zodd: I looked into it; the gnutls shipped with squeeze, latest updates, does support TLS 1.2, but it does not support any cipher suites supported by github (who only use strong ciphers and some non-FS RSA compat ciphers).
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2135[16:20:05] <tw> the other from gnutls-cli
2136[16:20:08] <zodd> tw, thank you very much. The easiest way to resolve things was a checkout on a new server and scp it back to the prehistoric server
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2138[16:20:59] <tw> I'm actually shutting down a squeeze server right now =/
2141[16:21:28] <jelly> tw: I have 50 of those that are not being shut down right now.
2142[16:21:32] <tw> XD
2143[16:21:32] <naptastic> I'm doing a dist-upgrade on Buster and "Setting up ifdown 0.8.30" is stuck. It's waiting for a sleeping process, "systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch"
2144[16:21:44] <jelly> !debian-next
2145[16:21:45] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2179[16:36:45] <nezZario> yesterday I had a unexpected power outage, nothing weird, and ever since my pc has been, well, broke. originally i couldn't get into X11 at all, and my wireless devices won't and still won't show up. I got Xorg to start by commenting out all the fancy resolution lines in xorg.conf .. But I'm stuck in 1024x768 ... wireless devices, which never have had a problem with before (and before, didn't even need to install
2180[16:36:45] <nezZario> any special drivers for..) aren't showing up anywhere.
2185[16:37:28] <greycat> Having an xorg.conf at all is unusual. What happens if you rename it so that it doesn't get used, and let X find the hardware itself?
2203[16:41:48] <nezZario> Nothing good, still stuck in 1024x768. I'm using xfce, and the xfce "display" gui bit just calls my monitor "default" and doesn't give me the option to switch resolution
2206[16:42:25] <nezZario> This monitor is fairly new for what it's worth... I've only been using it for about a week and it is much higher resolution that my last one but it wouldn't make sense that it would work flawlessly for a week and then suddenly act up
2207[16:42:27] <greycat> Any errors in the Xorg.0.log?
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2223[16:47:04] <greycat> Looks like it's trying radeon, failing, then falling back to fbdev.
2224[16:47:07] <deadrom> I'm looking at replaced-url
2225[16:47:14] <nezZario> Yeah I did remember having to do some kind of special driver. I want to say I'm using the OSS version and not the proprietary one..
2226[16:47:19] <BanHammor> nezZario, also, you should be worried about the "kms report modesetting is not supported"
2227[16:47:19] <nezZario> Weird why the driver would suddenly act up
2266[16:52:08] <deadrom> jhutchins_wk, very tailored-to-the-cause VM with mainly a java app server, but lots of user config. rather install over and keep /home?
2267[16:52:43] <greycat> If all your config is in /home instead of via system packages, reinstalling should be much easier than it would be for ... most of us.
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2295[17:03:13] <P4> Hello. On Debian Jessie (ScrolloutF1 appliance) in netstat I can see many global IP addresses listed in the column of Local Address (replaced-url
2303[17:04:32] <nezZario> I rebooted, when grub comes up, i press 'e', use the goofy little editor, changed the 3. whatever to 4.14.0-3 in the two spots it matters (initrd/linux)
2314[17:06:33] <P4> nezZario: you should be able to list the drive content from GRUB somehow (cannot recall exact commands). would be good to confirm that you can see those files there
2315[17:06:51] <greycat> let me try to find a jessie box...
2316[17:06:56] <petn-randall> P4: Sounds like your named is severely misconfigured. It's apparently set to listen on 8.8.4.4, amongst many other things.
2317[17:06:58] <P4> greycat: that is correct. also note that it's all about bind processes
2336[17:09:50] <P4> greycat: this I could achieve differently on the L2. I just want to setup local mail relay to process mails sent from localnet and chose Scrollout F1 which is based on a Debian Jessie for that. investigating named configuration now. I would be surprised if vendor configured it that way...
2339[17:11:28] <rs3> Apologies if my inquiry should go elsewhere...but when installing Steam I'm advised to install 32-bit OpenGL libraries for my Nvidia graphics, and I'm prompted to remove 64-bit libraries; reinstalling the 64-bit libraries removes the 32-bit. I'm afraid to reboot with the 64-bit libraries uninstalled; should they be able to coexist, or should I just leave the 32-bit libraries in place for playing games with
2347[17:12:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2348[17:12:15] <petn-randall> rs3: If yes, can you please provide all of the above in a single paste? ^^^
2350[17:12:40] <P4> petn-randall: grep -rni liste /etc/bind/ returns only listen-on port 53 { any; }; and listen-on-v6 port 53 { any; }; in named.conf.options
2351[17:13:09] <rs3> petn-randall: Sorry, yes, on Debian 9.3 amd64. I'll put that stuff together in a paste now. Thank you
2358[17:15:29] <P4> omg, what the hell is that! I can see all those IP addresses listed in quagga configs... thanks for hints. I'm about to contact Scrollout F1 for explanations or look for some docs there. Also sorry for asking in this channel.
2364[17:18:11] <nezZario> Okay so I booted back up into grub, dropped to the little console. It shows something like, ... lvm/ md0/ (hda1) and so on. and from what I could understand, I think I was actually listing these drives, ... it doesn't show the nwere 4.x kernel in any of the boot directories within
2365[17:18:17] <nezZario> I do have two drives here
2366[17:18:40] <nezZario> they're suppose to be on RAID1 but /proc/mdstat is only showing one drive. but the other drive isn't actually falied
2380[17:22:58] <P4> sb says "Quagga is not critical. Is trying to set public DNS IPs as local (on lo interface) in order to avoid using public DNS for RBLs (results are poor to null)". To me that's a cheap approach very much for achieving that...
2384[17:24:16] <greycat> All this instead of just setting up a local dnscache or whatever... so confusing... so much unnecessary and ridiculous work....
2401[17:30:03] <nezZario> if I am going to run grub-install, ... should I run that on the whole disk (/dev/sda), or the particular partition, or the mdadm device (/dev/md0) or the lvm device that sits on that mdadm device? :)
2409[17:30:51] <nezZario> The only thing I can figure is I am booting from an out of date drive somehow... So I re-added /dev/sda to the mdadm array (don't know why the hell it was removed in the first place?)
2410[17:30:51] <greycat> I've never understood the concept of installing a boot loader on a partition. It doesn't even make sense conceptually to me. I must be missing something. Firmware/BIOS boots from a DISK, not a partition, right?
2417[17:31:55] <antoszka> nezZario: and make sure you have all the uefi related stuff mounted (you probably do if you're running the automated installer)
2418[17:31:57] <Haohmaru> but i might be mixing things up
2460[17:40:49] <lispmacs> hi, does somebody know what would be a good tool for simply streaming the output of a shell command across the network and reading it into a file on the other side?
2473[17:42:57] <nezZario> I don't know, I just re-added /dev/sda to the RAID, I just hope this fixes it, I really have no idea what's going on, been having issues since yesterday evening
2514[17:59:28] <lispmacs> greycat: well, with ssh I've got to deal with authentication, whereas with netcat I can just listen for the incoming connect. Not as secure, for sure, but simpler
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2516[17:59:59] <franlol> anyone can answer my question? :)
2531[18:06:33] <jhutchins_wk> franlol: The package is xinetd, the utils just say inetd. I believe it's not installed as a default for desktops, it may be automatically installed for some server tasks.
2556[18:18:04] <franlol> ty man! im gonna check it
2557[18:18:04] <greycat> inetd is the legacy "superserver" that listens to umpteen dozen ports and launches programs as configured in /etc/inetd.conf for each port. Very poor design.
2558[18:18:11] <jhutchins_wk> franlol: They're not used much any more as most of the network capable apps have built-in sercurity now, and the ones that don't aren't much used.
2559[18:18:45] <greycat> If your class is teaching you about inetd, I hope it is teaching you why we don't use it any more.
2560[18:18:46] <jhutchins_wk> It was a band-aid when unsecured apps were suddenly facing a hostile internet.
2561[18:18:50] <franlol> i have read that is usefull for example to run a security against port scan ...
2562[18:19:02] <greycat> what
2563[18:19:14] <greycat> you mean some kind of tarpit? stupid. it's stupid.
2564[18:20:13] <greycat> or maybe you mean a reverse tarpit, something that appears to be listening to EVERY SINGLE PORT, because it is, but then most of them do nothing? Again, stupid.
2565[18:20:23] <jhutchins_wk> franlol: You may also find some documentation relevant to your class at tldp.org
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2569[18:21:41] <greycat> Move sshd to a different port to stop the billion hits from Chinese script kiddies. Then simply turn off every service you do not actually need.
2570[18:22:02] <greycat> Stay up to date on security patches.
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2572[18:22:29] <hbautista> greycat, or you can use, I don't know, a firewall ?
2573[18:23:22] <greycat> Notice how none of these answers involve a monolithic inetd listening on dozens or hundreds or thousands of ports.
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2589[18:31:41] <alkisg> greycat: actually inetd design was superb, and it's what systemd is also using currently... that's a long chat, but if anyone's interested there's some thoughts on replaced-url
2598[18:34:16] <petn-randall> alkisg: That's not what your link is about, though. It's a tutorial to convert xinetd config to systemd units. I doubt you could run a webserver efficiently like that.
2601[18:35:50] <alkisg> petn-randall: it explains the 3 different methods to do socket activation, with their benefits etc; it's the theory that matters, not the conversion of configuration files
2602[18:36:04] <n4dir> hbautista: even if you use a firewall setting the sshd port to non-default sure won't hurt.
2637[18:51:40] <galex-713_> How do you know what a source package gives as binary packages?
2638[18:52:09] <galex-713_> Like if I have zlib1g, and download its source, then I’d like to know what are the binary packages, if several, that are generated from this single source
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2642[18:54:16] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: Probably look for documentation wherever you get the source package from.
2643[18:54:52] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: There is usually a README and/or INSTALL file that will explain the build process (if it's good quality code).
2644[18:55:15] <greycat> He means a debian source, not an upstream source.
2665[19:01:12] <galex-713_> no, I don’t like the web and I feels like if the debian websites can get it, I can probably get it without the debian website
2666[19:01:20] <galex-713_> not too much complicatedly
2678[19:02:44] <galex-713_> because someone pointed me to a tool and I want to be sure it’s not packaged by debian because like debian took the source, and only took all the binaries besides the one I want
2679[19:02:50] <greycat> Then there's nothing more we can POSSIBLY say to you. You've built up a strawman problem in your mind according to your mental model of the person who ACTUALLY wants to do something.
2680[19:03:10] <greycat> And you don't know what the goal is, and we don't know what the goal is, so there is no point in continuing.
2687[19:04:30] <galex-713_> I mean, I just want to know where do
2688[19:04:34] <galex-713_> hypn0: no not graphical
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2690[19:05:20] <galex-713_> I mean, I just want to know where do go all the compiled source files, like for instance i can do apt source, and if I well understood by following a compilation procedure it would produce several .deb accordingly, well I’d like to know the name of these .deb without having to compile them
2693[19:06:18] <alkisg> galex-713_: check in debian/control of the source package, it lists the generated binary debs there
2694[19:06:23] <jelly> which tool? Which package are you missing in Debian? <galex-713_> because someone pointed me to a tool and I want to be sure it’s not packaged by debian because like debian took the source, and only took all the binaries besides the one I want
2695[19:06:47] <galex-713_> and if after compiling them the system can get somewhere their package name from this source file, and if the debian website can get these names from the source package name I suppose I can
2701[19:07:14] <jelly> galex-713_: which tool precisely? which package are you missing in Debian's build?
2702[19:07:41] <galex-713_> alkisg: oh thank you it’s exactely that!
2703[19:07:46] <alkisg> np
2704[19:08:03] <galex-713_> is there a normalized way to get it through apt, apt-get or apt-cache without doing apt-source then less? I would be even more satisfied ^^
2705[19:08:17] <galex-713_> jelly: gzlog
2706[19:08:37] <alkisg> galex-713_: the information is in /var/lib/apt/lists, but I don't know if some tool shows them the way you want
2707[19:09:30] <galex-713_> I know it’s not packaged because apt search and apt-file search did return nothing, but I want to be able to as well showing a shell command that show all the binaries produced by the source package, with the absence of gzlog in them, while gzlog.c is present in the source package
2720[19:12:10] <galex-713_> jelly: rather complex to say… it takes small input of data, for instance small lines per line delayed output, and write it as “uncompressed block” to a gz file, and then the total uncompressed blocks are more than 1MB, afaik, it compress them and replace them with the compressed blocks, then it keeps adding uncompressed stuff and compress them all 1MB or so
2722[19:12:55] <galex-713_> alkisg: Mark Adler pointed me to gzlog.h while saying “an utility”, therefore I deduce this along with gzlog.c gives an utility
2723[19:13:05] <alkisg> galex-713_: dpkg -L zlib1g => shows you the contents of the package
2724[19:13:14] <alkisg> It's a library. You can create .c files that use the library.
2725[19:13:22] <jelly> galex-713_: you do realize gzlog.c is example code and not code for a working program? There's no main()
2726[19:13:23] <alkisg> examples/gzlog.c is an example of how to do it
2727[19:13:50] <galex-713_> alkisg: it is in the “examples/” directory, and I think having something being part of the “example” programs of a package, often meaning it to be not that useful besides for testing, can be considered a reason worth not packaging
2728[19:13:57] <galex-713_> maybe even make install doesn’t install it
2737[19:14:49] <jelly> galex-713_: and it's packaged as-is in -dev package?
2738[19:14:50] <alkisg> You can use them but you can't run them
2739[19:14:59] <jelly> judd: file gzlog.c*
2740[19:15:03] <judd> Search for gzlog.c* in stretch/amd64: zlib1g-dev: usr/share/doc/zlib1g-dev/examples/gzlog.c.gz
2741[19:15:35] <jelly> galex-713_: use apt-file to search for uninstalled package contents.
2742[19:15:49] <galex-713_> from debian/control I can see there are the packages zlib1g zlib1g-dev zlib1g-dbg zlib1g-udeb lib64z1 lib64z1-dev lib32z1 lib32z1-dev libn32z1 libn32z1-dev (sed -ne 's/^Package: \(.*\)$/\1/p' zlib-1.2.8.dfsg/debian/control)
2770[19:20:47] <galex-713_> jelly: thank you for making me noticing this
2771[19:22:54] <galex-713_> yet, that problem interested me a lot: how can I, from an apt* cli utility, get the list of packages listed in debian/control in the source file? are there apt* utility for source files that do something else than downloading and/or building? such as querying metadata?
2774[19:24:09] <n4dir> galex-713_: i wouldn't bet, but earlier you said you would need the info from the webpage from within a shellscript. lynx --dump -nolist ; came to my mind, but i would not know how to extract only the names of the binaries.
2775[19:25:01] <greycat> n4dir: look like an X-Y-Z-Omega-etc. problem.
2777[19:25:35] <jelly> galex-713_: aptitude can do a search based on source package name.
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2779[19:25:43] <n4dir> greycat: well, it only came to my mind. You don't hear often about the lynx "trick"
2780[19:25:56] <greycat> He said his sole purpose was to answer a question he got in an email and then I /ignored him and then jelly was talking about judd and rdepends and sample C source code and all kinds of crap, so god only knows what he changed the question to.
2781[19:26:16] <galex-713_> n4dir: extracting the names wouldn’t be that difficult I guess, but what I’d like is some tool using sources.list deb/deb-src to get metadata about source packages
2782[19:26:21] <n4dir> yeah i got lost too. but i assumed it was me ...
2783[19:26:37] <jelly> greycat: they thought debian did not package a built binary (that was actually never built)
2784[19:26:46] <n4dir> galex-713_: yup, i got you. I only made a side note.
2785[19:26:50] <jelly> (and that could not be built)
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2787[19:27:28] <greycat> So how did he get from "where is the binary for sample.c" to "How do I see which binary packages come out of a given source package" to "I am only responding to an email question and have no actual goal"...
2788[19:27:30] <jelly> and there was an implication someone else somewhere did in fact build and package that tool, which seems unlikely
2789[19:27:30] <galex-713_> n4dir: yes, yet a pertinent note :) didn’t know about the lynx trick ^^ usually I do wget -O- and sed the output, which is much more complicated ^^'
2790[19:28:02] <jelly> greycat: if you wanted to know you'd unignore. I take you don't really want to know.
2791[19:28:03] <n4dir> hail to the mighty mywiki.wooledge.org :-)
2803[19:30:31] <galex-713_> in its manpage it says it’s from the apt command
2804[19:30:40] <galex-713_> and turns out in fact apt *does* have a showsrc command
2805[19:30:48] <galex-713_> which does exactely what I wanted to do! :D
2806[19:30:49] <galex-713_> \o/
2807[19:30:56] <galex-713_> jelly: thank you a lot!
2808[19:31:01] <n4dir> greycat: if you use the searchbar at wooledge. i think you get two results for lynx. But i am pretty sure someone at #bash helped me (and i found it at wooledge or from greybot later)
2818[19:34:47] <galex-713_> jelly, alkisg, n4dir, hypn0 in general, thank you a lot for your dedication to helping ^^
2819[19:34:56] <annadane> forgot about that gem
2820[19:34:57] <alkisg> np
2821[19:35:15] <greycat> In #bash we can never forget.
2822[19:35:22] <galex-713_> also: jelly: alkisg: greycat (if you unignored me since then): also thank you for your actual help and useful informations ^^
2833[19:37:56] <galex-713_> Btw, while I’m at learning doing stuff without the debian website, would there be a clean way to search for debian packages in all archs and all suites and all versions, like the website does? what would be the proper, clean way? would adding all the lines and source lines to sources.list with a special pinning to say not to install anything from them yet get their db through apt update be ok?
2836[19:39:29] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. replaced-url
2844[19:40:47] <galex-713_> yet that would maybe mean apt search would no longer discriminate between installable and not anymore packaged/not installable because non-free/etc. packages :/
2845[19:40:58] <galex-713_> myeah…
2846[19:41:03] <greycat> You can, via the psql command.
2847[19:41:06] <galex-713_> that’s not exactely how I hoped it ^^'
2859[19:42:35] <galex-713_> jelly: a little yes, but it’s actually more a matter of that I like simple standard things, but maybe I’m asking too much or this is not allowed with standard apt utilities, which I don’t find unreasonnable
2865[19:43:18] <galex-713_> after all, I could just as well use the website
2866[19:43:19] <jelly> Postgres is pretty standard in its SQL dialect.
2867[19:43:27] <galex-713_> but of course an offline database is always better
2868[19:43:28] <jelly> we're not talking about mysql
2869[19:43:45] <jelly> or you could ask the bot.
2870[19:43:58] <galex-713_> jelly: yeah, and if package management was all done using sql command that would completely satisfy me
2871[19:44:27] <jelly> galex-713_: package management does not require dealing with sources at all
2872[19:44:33] <galex-713_> but since it’s not, and I’m really maniac about consistance, I’d so much like a utility standard like “[…]search <package>”
2873[19:44:49] <jelly> I'd like a pony!
2874[19:44:54] <galex-713_> jelly: no in fact but since it works a bit the same way ^^ (with deb-src, apt update, apt stuff, etc.)
2882[19:46:15] <greycat> Did You Know: the last three letters of judd are UDD
2883[19:46:20] <jelly> !judd
2884[19:46:20] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
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2886[19:46:50] <galex-713_> jelly: and the website too?
2887[19:46:57] <galex-713_> then maybe that’s the way to go in fact
2888[19:47:06] <jelly> galex-713_: I have no idea what the website does
2889[19:47:24] <galex-713_> okay
2890[19:47:28] <galex-713_> maybe I should ask them
2891[19:47:31] <galex-713_> find some contact info
2901[19:50:05] <galex-713_> let’s search there first
2902[19:50:10] <n4dir> !udd
2903[19:50:10] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. replaced-url
2904[19:50:24] <n4dir> the entry at wiki.debian.org seems to offer some useful info
2928[19:56:57] <galex-713_> n4dir: I’d largely prefer apt-cache search, but it can’t research for all version and all architectures, since it has only the current ones in sources.list
2929[19:57:19] <n4dir> yeah, got that. Well: i don't need such info. :-)
2930[19:57:56] <jelly> galex-713_: you do realize apt-cache gets all this info from an online source as well, at apt-get update
2939[20:00:48] <n4dir> i fail to see why i should care if a certain package is available for, say, kFreeBSD, if i don't run that thing (or old-stable, or whatever you could think of).
2940[20:01:01] <greycat> 13:01 greycat> galex-713_: what are you trying to DO?
2948[20:01:39] <jelly> it's not as if anyone else is asking any questions
2949[20:02:38] <galex-713_> n4dir: last time I used this it was because I did read somewhere recover was packaged under debian, yet I couldn’t find it, so the web interface allowed me to find out it wasn’t since wheezy
2950[20:03:02] <galex-713_> I would have liked to have been able to do/learn the same thing through cli instead of web ui
2951[20:03:16] <jelly> galex-713_: judd has a cli.
2952[20:03:28] <jelly> you access the CLI over irc
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2957[20:03:54] <jelly> like that, or better, by /msg judd stuff
2958[20:04:11] <galex-713_> yay but i’d like the same information, without the internet at all
2959[20:04:14] <jelly> WHY
2960[20:04:18] <galex-713_> judd is yet better than the website
2961[20:04:18] <n4dir> galex-713_: not saying it doesn't make any sense to you. just saying that i for one don't need such (probably as most of the time i am too lazy to figure things out)
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2972[20:07:43] <jelly> galex-713_: answer that with a plausible example and you MIGHT receive a dd-copy of whole judd VM disk, ready for your offline perusal! Play today!
2984[20:09:13] <greycat> He lives in a cavern with no escape, patrolled by random quizbots that demand answers at unpredictable times!
2985[20:09:29] <n4dir> lol.
2986[20:09:35] <galex-713_> also I generally doesn’t like using the internet when it’s not necessary, just as I don’t like SaaSS, which judd almost is, it’s free software
3014[20:15:42] <hsiktas> with that WSL-thing from Windows 10
3015[20:15:43] <jelly> all bots that provide any kind of response are SAAS, you have an API to access, and something processes API requests and maybe gives a response
3016[20:15:57] <mnuhmnuh> that's ancient stuff, prob. as boring as smtp by now.
3030[20:18:11] <annadane> this chat is getting sassy
3031[20:18:18] <annadane> i've pretty much exhausted that pun now
3032[20:18:21] <n4dir> for a very small distribution i used said "lynx" to grep if a certain package is in their repository. To keep it easy with their server, i downloaded a list of all packages and did grep the text file.
3033[20:18:22] <jelly> I'm done anyway
3034[20:18:41] <n4dir> i am not sure if the amount of all debian architectures and packages and what not would make that reasonable.
3035[20:18:48] <jelly> ±1 hour
3036[20:20:00] <galex-713_> n4dir: the ideal thing would be to have offline the content got by apt update if source.list contained all the archs and versions
3037[20:20:55] <n4dir> like said: not sure if it is still reasonable with the amount of debian. And i sure don't know how to exactly do it.
3041[20:21:42] <mnuhmnuh> galex-713_: you want local control. others prefer somebody else store the data and give access. 6 of one, half doz. of t'other.
3042[20:21:48] <galex-713_> you really think it would be too slow?
3043[20:21:58] <jelly> !tias
3044[20:21:58] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
3045[20:22:06] <galex-713_> I didn’t thought it
3046[20:22:09] <n4dir> i would assume packages.debian.org would be the way to go ?
3047[20:22:41] <galex-713_> the main problem I find is, afterwards, how could I do so that I have a *different* command to search packages only for the current version/archs/etc. and one for all of them?
3048[20:23:16] <jelly> galex-713_: you don't have to do this on a system you're actually using. Have a separate chroot.
3056[20:24:26] <jelly> galex-713_: don't even have to add arches to sources.list, just dpkg --add-architecture every arch you're interested in except the native one
3057[20:24:26] <galex-713_> I was thinking it could update each time I do apt update
3058[20:24:28] <greycat> It's full of stars! And porn.
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3116[20:35:59] <annadane> i tried apt purge nvidia-driver nvidia-glvnd-whatever-crap etc and all the components a while ago... didn't go well, not recommended
3219[21:25:06] <Lyberta> hi, I want to have 2 installations on my PC and second one should have encrypted root, I installed second one to encrypted partition but now I don't know how to tell GRUB to add this installation to the list, help?
3239[21:35:09] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've a strange problem here, after hitting enter in grub to load my linux it doesn't start the boot proccess before i provide username/pw ...
3240[21:35:17] <maeestro> im trying to install network drivers for a network card (broadcom BCM4352 rev03) with replaced-url
3241[21:35:19] <rocketmagnet> what's that kind of an issue ?
3275[21:45:51] <maeestro> deadrom: doesnt look like it
3276[21:46:43] <deadrom> maeestro, build-essential and dkms installed? did you run module-assistant manually? from what I gather dkms builds that module, it doesn't come as a file with a package. so most likely dkms did not build it. possibly dkms logs will tell you, or console output from m-a
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3287[21:49:43] <carp_> ah hooray, i dont need to log in to get to this channel again! (it was a week or so ago, a spammer forced it). Anyway, last week I dist_upgraded to Stretch and I just want to say
3294[21:51:10] <deadrom> maeestro, ok: dkms is "Dynamic Kernel Module Support", it takes care for tricky 3rd party kernel modules to built when necessary. usually that's modules that are only half-open or not at all and need wrappers to sneak them into the running kernel. since the 3rd party tends to change their stuff a lot, it often fails building or is missing something it needs. so first step is: check if dkms built the module at all, or since it is not there:
3295[21:51:10] <deadrom> why it didn't. google where to find dkms logs and check them out, pastebin them if you can't make anything from it and paste the pastebin link here (paste.debian.net I think)
3296[21:51:17] <carp_> Thankyou so much to everyone who is involved with Debian in some way, its fantastic. My computer updated without a hitch, I was very impressed. This OS is vital for me so thankyou guys.
3328[22:00:38] <mnuhmnuh> well, wtf? t's not supposed to be that easy.
3329[22:01:10] <maeestro_> I need some drivers for my touchpad though, cant touch it to click, I have to press it
3330[22:01:42] <greycat> !synaptics
3331[22:01:42] <dpkg> As of stretch, the synaptics driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see replaced-url
3332[22:01:56] <deadrom> maeestro_, heh, that's what I meant, dkms is rather clever but it's not a crazy catch all as everybody handles their things some different way. what hinted me at a reboot is that dkms generated a new ramdisk, the bit that says "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64" etc, so something was modified in the kernel image at boot time already
3343[22:06:11] <greycat> Is there a CVE? Look up the CVE on the debian security web site.
3344[22:06:12] <jelly> m4rkw, is there a CVE number?
3345[22:06:15] <jelly> hah
3346[22:06:16] <annadane> ^ and also if it was just discovered today (per the date of the article, i haven't really read it) it mostly assuredly won't be patched today
3347[22:06:21] <annadane> but yeah, look up the CVE
3348[22:06:32] <annadane> which i should do, except i'm an idiot, and lazy, and so gave a stupid answer
3376[22:10:09] <Lyberta> no way, std::filesystem rocks
3377[22:10:11] <jelly> Lyberta, because it's a really crappy platform
3378[22:10:24] <greycat> smells like C++. ask me about C++. go ahead.
3379[22:10:25] <maeestro_> greycat: can I just use "apt-get remove xserver-xorg..." and apt-get install the new one? I tried but the touchpad isnt working anyways
3380[22:11:01] <greycat> maeestro_: I don't know. I'm not a laptop person. Read the URLs if you have questions.
3381[22:11:10] <Lyberta> greycat, too bad we will be going into offtopic territory
3384[22:12:41] <jelly> Lyberta, in my book a stable platform takes precedence over a random language feature
3385[22:12:49] <jelly> but you're probably a developer
3386[22:13:21] <annadane> also it must be said "bug affecting half of email servers" makes for a nice headline people feel they have to click thus generating ad revenue for that website
3387[22:13:32] <annadane> though if it's exim i don't doubt it's half of email
3388[22:13:56] <greycat> I'm honestly shocked that exim has that kind of market dominance.
3389[22:13:57] <Lyberta> greycat, jelly, I guess if I didn't have 50kloc of C++ to maintain I'd go to Rust, I wonder if the very latest Rust installs on stable
3390[22:14:07] <jelly> "yet another exim bug, patch it up nothing to see here people" does not have the same ring to it
3391[22:14:14] <greycat> Why would you target the latest ANYTHING?
3392[22:14:31] <greycat> To ensure that your users have the most miserable experience possible trying to build it?
3393[22:14:43] <Lyberta> because in languages I code the latest version is always better
3394[22:14:47] <jelly> Lyberta, it does not. Firefox release branch is mission on stable because of that
3401[22:15:57] <jelly> and devs who can't code without latest everything are a pain to deal with on systems that will hve to be maintained for 3-5 years after their work is done
3402[22:16:01] <greycat> I always thought exim was some quirky thing that only Debian uses.
3421[22:19:03] <bitessss> when i add new version of a package to my repo using reprepro includedeb the old version of the package gets removed. is there a way for me to keep all versions and just add the new one?
3447[22:23:04] <greycat> Well... yes, but you could trivially make two packages that are identical except they have different names and use different versions of the original source tarball.
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3449[22:23:37] <jelly> and you could build Packages files in a repo in a similar "trivial" and yet nonstandard way, arguably
3454[22:26:04] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: sure they can, but usual debian processes catch and stop that sort of corruption, we hope.
3455[22:26:05] <bitessss> i don't have an example in the debian mirrors, but docker-ce from upstream has what i want. apt-cache policy docker-ce shows multiple versions from the same repo.
3456[22:26:09] <Lyberta> jelly, if you use only latest std features, your code will work for about 10 years usually
3459[22:26:56] <MrKeuner> How can I change the behaviour epiphany opening when I type a search string in the gnome-tool search box?
3460[22:27:03] <jelly> Lyberta, Debian has a 5 year lifetime. So you can safely use C++14 only.
3461[22:27:22] <MrKeuner> xdg?
3462[22:27:27] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i have a very strange issue - after selecting my grub image to load i get prompted by a username and password AND IT ALSO BOOT NORMALY IF I PROVIDE NO PASSWORD AT ALL ... then the boot starts
3463[22:27:37] <rocketmagnet> im on debian 9 stable
3476[22:30:03] <jelly> Lyberta, then you want a different stable platform. Sadly I don't think there's one with a release cycle of less than two years.
3492[22:31:59] <judd> No package named 'spam' was found in amd64.
3493[22:32:12] <jelly> Lyberta, that's not even a release of gcc
3494[22:32:28] <annadane> it is, it's in unstable
3495[22:32:33] <deadrom> distro channels these are thinning out. the helpful people from some while back got tired or haven't got the time to spare to help the newbies, so we're dis-educating the interested people who might grow and contribute to a community. it's a shame some knowledgable people have turned bitter torpedo away what's left.
3497[22:33:20] <jelly> annadane, the year in the version strongly suggests is a devel branch, to be used for testing source compat against a future 8.0 release
3498[22:33:21] <Lyberta> jelly, when it comes to my release, I'm sure GCC will be released
3521[22:41:16] <greycat> bash 4.4 was released in 2016 but any time we suggest a bash 4.4 feature in #bash we *always* have to have an alternative ready for people who are on older versions
3522[22:41:25] <bitessss> apparently mini-dinstall can handle multiple versions of one package, but it can't handle single .deb files. curses.
3523[22:41:33] <deadrom> carp_, when it comes to learning a language, ask yourself what you need for: yur personal hobby project or do you need to make a living off it in the market. there you ask for the most well supported with the most lively communicty, even if the language has shortcomings. if I wanted to make money from coding I'd look at C# today. C will stay around as long as low level coding requires its fast, unfenced features but you have to know what
3524[22:41:33] <deadrom> you do. I see it going the assember way in the future.
3525[22:41:33] <greycat> It is not sane nor sensible to expect people to be on the latest whatever.
3598[23:12:11] <Kelsar> the config file just maps IDs to names on lookup. netiher routing rules nor iptables are persistent without some sort of init script. also iptables is not routing...
3602[23:13:51] <ZeroBeholder> Let's just say I've gone and wasted a bunch of time and resources and I had an x86 board with a 4 port ethernet pcie card and a 802.11ac (with AP Mode capabilities) mini pcie card --> pcie adapter in another slot. I've already got the 4 ethernet ports bridged, I would like to bridge the wifi configured with hostapd to the ethernet bridge-- has anyone done this in a way that didn't seem like...
3603[23:13:53] <ZeroBeholder> ...a bodge. My googling has shown three different ways that might work, I have tried none. I was just pinging you all to see if anyone has tried this already?
3604[23:14:52] <Kelsar> ZeroBeholder: you should let hostapd handle that, usually the least painfull way
3606[23:15:10] <ZeroBeholder> (TL;DR: my $69 router and $59 TP-Link AP are ~200 megabits faster-- 200 something anyways. The AP connects at ~700 something and the $400 project is ~500 something if anyone was curious.)
3607[23:15:27] <ZeroBeholder> Kelsar: ...hostapd will bridge to ethernet?
3616[23:17:11] <ZeroBeholder> Kelsar: In /etc/network/interfaces there are postup and preup hooks to kind of order the availability of things (hopefully).
3617[23:17:38] <Kelsar> ZeroBeholder: dunno... never really used debian myself....
3618[23:18:38] <aphotica> does anyone know if upgrading from stable to testing will improve gaming performance on amd?
3619[23:19:46] <annadane> that's probably too complex to answer with a simple yes or no, it likely depends on your system
3620[23:19:59] <annadane> the usual disclaimers of testing apply, keep backups, things may break, etc
3621[23:20:27] <greycat> or ask #debian-next on OFTC which actually uses and supports and knows about testing
3636[23:29:14] <aphotica> fair enough annadane , im assuming it probably will and testing seems to be pretty stable, but at the same time, stretch is just... about perfect, imho
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3641[23:30:13] <annadane> if you have a general question about gaming that's basically your answer. if you're on the other hand *dissatisfied* with your current gaming performance then you should probably specify what about it is lacking, otherwise it becomes a
3642[23:30:15] <annadane> !xy problem
3643[23:30:15] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
3644[23:30:59] <annadane> could be anything, graphics card, some configuration you need to do, whatever
3665[23:50:39] <ealfonso`> ifconfig 2.10-alpha now changed its output format in stretch, breaking my scripts to parse an ip address. is there a more reliable way to query iface ip addresses?
3682[23:56:35] <Brigo> Clien0, what are you doing?
3683[23:56:49] <Clien0> trying to run gdb
3684[23:57:44] *** Quits: Thominus (~Thominus@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3685[23:58:01] <ealfonso`> armin I know about the ip command, is it more 'stable' than ifconfig? I guess ifconfig internally uses ip?
3686[23:58:10] <Brigo> Clien0, what debian version?
3687[23:58:56] <armin> ealfonso`: ifconfig is being considered obsolete in many distributions already. the output of the ip command is generally considered much more parse-able.