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31 [00:32:54] <rant> I'm making a systemd oneshot service to start a detached screen session, how can I set what user that session is running as?
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36 [00:35:33] <rant> nm, I guess its just User= and Group= in the [Service] section
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42 [00:40:06] <rant> hmm well that was fail.. the systemd service works, it started screen with irssi but failed to load the bot in another screen window.
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47 [00:41:59] * RoyK mutters something about tmux being a bit better than screen
48 [00:42:38] <RoyK> replaced-url
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52 [00:43:30] <rant> yeah problem is I'd have to learn a whole new program and really I'm happy with the features of screen
53 [00:44:05] <RoyK> just remap ctrl+b to ctrl+a and it's about the same ;)
54 [00:44:16] <rant> just thought doing "screen -t foo foocmd\nscreen -t bar barcmd" in .screenrc would start it with two windows foo and bar
55 [00:44:35] <rant> but it only started it with foo and not bar
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57 [00:44:46] <RoyK> replaced-url
58 [00:45:37] <RoyK> well, I've left my old friend screen for tmux - screen is still sorry, I guess
59 [00:45:56] <rant> blah blah blah :P
60 [00:46:15] <RoyK> rant rant rant rant rant
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68 [00:48:35] <rant> I guess technically I didnt phrase it in the form of a question like jeopardy.. heh.. but you also sidestepped my issue with a my program is better than yours :P
69 [00:49:20] <RoyK> no worries ;)
70 [00:49:30] <rant> oh, I'm worried ;)
71 [00:50:00] <rant> I'm workin a bit outside my comfort zone already as it is..
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74 [00:51:15] <rant> replaced-url
75 [00:51:46] <rant> I've also setup the systemd service on the server side to start a screen session to be nested in that mosh session
76 [00:51:59] <rant> the only problem now seems to be getting that server side screen session to start both irssi and the bot
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82 [00:56:32] <rflec028> ...any reason to use screen over tmux? (Avid tmux user.)
83 [00:56:47] <BCMM> rflec028: for terminal multiplexing, no
84 [00:56:51] <rant> none at all that I'm aware of other than being old and stubborn
85 [00:57:01] <rant> tmux has more features
86 [00:57:09] <rflec028> Tmux is fantastic.
87 [00:57:14] <BCMM> rflec028: but screen does a bunch of barely-related stuff to do with interacting with serial ports and so forth
88 [00:57:14] <jelly> screen is older.
89 [00:57:24] <rflec028> Not an advantage
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91 [00:57:28] <rflec028> Unless bragging
92 [00:57:56] <BCMM> bizarrely, screen is a full-fledged serial client. that's gnu for you i guess.
93 [00:58:00] <RoyK> A collegue of mine said screen is better for nested sessions
94 [00:58:17] <RoyK> might be true, but that's the only thing I can think of
95 [00:58:20] <rflec028> "I like Vinyl and use Screen" ^^RoyK, that might be a good poing.
96 [00:58:30] <BCMM> but for the terminal multiplexing stuff that people *actually use it for*, god no. use tmux.
97 [00:58:43] <jelly> there are very little reasons to go back to screen. AFAIR it deals with sessions attached from multiple terminals at the same time better, and it deals with terminal resize a bit better.
98 [00:58:44] <rflec028> KK. No reason to change my ways.
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100 [00:59:16] <gzcwnk> Hi I am trying to install roundcube webmail on debian 9 but I want to use a remote mysql database I have been unable to do this. a) any docs that work? b) how do I get the maintainer toupdate database config that comes in the package to allow for a remote database please?
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102 [01:00:06] <gzcwnk> ie do I just raise a bug report?
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104 [01:00:20] <ph88> how do i go back to the gnome default alt-tab grouping ? it got messed up after installing/uninstalling AtlernateTab gnome extension
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106 [01:00:53] <rflec028> So... Any Debian Members in Ottawa that I can sit down for coffee with?
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108 [01:01:39] <rflec028> ph88: ^^Should go back automatically... Try the tweak tool?
109 [01:01:52] <rant> rflec028: you may want to familiarize with #debian-offtopic its our social channel, this is our support channel
110 [01:02:03] <rflec028> rant: Can do. Bye!
111 [01:02:04] <ph88> rflec028, what exactly in the tweak tool ?
112 [01:02:21] <rflec028> ph88 *Installs Gnome Really Fast*
113 [01:03:32] <rflec028> ...try turning it off and on again?
114 [01:03:44] <ph88> i did already a couple of times
115 [01:03:56] <rflec028> replaced-url
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119 [01:05:04] <rflec028> wow
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126 [01:08:01] <ph88> somehow it's restored :|
127 [01:08:18] <ph88> only terminator doesn't group
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171 [02:12:58] <galex-713> Why is it needed to be registred and auth with services to join here now?
172 [02:13:28] <galex-713> Anyway, I was here to ask: what’s the standard, proper way to install stuff for properly cross-compiling stuff for, say, arm
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174 [02:14:40] <galex-713> like I’d want, say libgrx2 <replaced-url
175 [02:16:36] <maferv> what are the right repositories for wheezy? I tried "deb replaced-url
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177 [02:17:48] <somiaj> galex-713: those who have choosen to abuse the policy of not having a registered account here have caused the change.
178 [02:18:22] <somiaj> galex-713: We would prefer to not have it +r, but the spammers have been extra active lately, and +r keeps the spam down a lot.
179 [02:18:36] <galex-713> somiaj: ah okay, sad thing :/
180 [02:18:38] <somiaj> maferv: wheezy I think is still on the main mirrors.
181 [02:18:43] <galex-713> hope one day it’ll be fixed
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191 [02:18:58] <somiaj> galex-713: last time I tried this, it was only a few hours before I put it back.
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195 [02:19:11] <dvs> holy! that was fast!
196 [02:19:47] <galex-713> somiaj: you know, I only wanted an explanation, if it wasn’t that long ago it’s maybe not necessary to bother you or maybe others with this for testing if it’s fixed right now ^^
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198 [02:20:21] <maferv> yes, you're right somiaj, I didn't know it, I wonder how long it will last
199 [02:20:46] <bitess> maferv: end of may
200 [02:20:50] <somiaj> galex-713: haha, we at least prefer to not have it, I didn't do it just cause you asked.
201 [02:20:53] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
202 [02:20:53] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
203 [02:21:05] <galex-713> yeah I guess :)
204 [02:21:06] <somiaj> maferv: sometimes after the support for wheezy-lts ends I assume.
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206 [02:22:00] <somiaj> galex-713: there are some setsup to cross compile to arm using qemu
207 [02:22:17] <maferv> thanks
208 [02:22:40] <galex-713> qemu? don’t you only need arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc and the right libs in some proper standard prefix I don’t know yet?
209 [02:23:33] <somiaj> glebihan: replaced-url
210 [02:23:39] <somiaj> glebihan: sorry bad tab completion
211 [02:24:04] <galex-713> you meant me?
212 [02:24:12] <somiaj> galex-713: ^^. I haven't doen this, but I think this is the more standard way I have seen. You can just emulate arm directly, and then run the build tools/envoriment in an enumlated enviorment, like chroot
213 [02:24:14] <maferv> does anybody know what is the right way to load a framebuffer driver for trident? I do it manually from tty1, as root "modprobe tridentfb mode=1024x768-8", but I'd like to load it automatically since start. I tried adding this parameter to the linux options: video=tridentfb, it didn't do anything
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215 [02:26:01] <somiaj> maferv: framebuffers are kinda old, could ti be you have some kms driver being used? Anyways, I think if you wanted to do that, you may have to rebuild the initramfs to include that in the initrd image, so it switches to that module
216 [02:26:11] <somiaj> maferv: I'm unsure on any of the specifics of doing this though.
217 [02:26:22] <galex-713> somiaj: that’s interesting, yet a little frustrating and disappointing to know that with dpkg you can’t properly configure packages for another system without chrooting
218 [02:26:35] <galex-713> yet in my case it’s for sometimes when I can’t chroot
219 [02:26:37] <somiaj> galex-713: anyways, I think using qemu-static you can basically build an arm chroot, and just build in an arm enviorment.
220 [02:26:55] <galex-713> currently I *can* chroot, but it’s a microsd card intended to be put in another system I can eventually ssh to
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222 [02:27:11] <galex-713> and it’s quite tiring to do all the compilation steps through ssh
223 [02:27:21] <somiaj> galex-713: there maybe other ways, but I think more and more qemu is being used for this, over building a full cross compling tool chain. I also have not done this, so this is only stuff I have seen in passing.
224 [02:27:36] <galex-713> somiaj: I already use qemu-static to update the system when the foreign device board is unavailable :)
225 [02:28:20] <galex-713> somiaj: I know nodaways virtualization does progress and such, but doesn’t that that slow down stuff, at least more than necessary?
226 [02:29:31] <somiaj> galex-713: emulation on modern hardware is probably fast enough it isn't to bad (even if it is all software), though as I said unsure on the details. I personally prefer building in clean chroots anyways, so this method always looked more apepaling to me than building a full cross compile tool chain
227 [02:30:02] <galex-713> I understand
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229 [02:30:18] <galex-713> yet what I need is for when I can’t chroot to it but can only ssh on it
230 [02:30:24] <maferv> somiaj, that's unfortunate, I know nothing about kms drivers. I'm using this module, tridentfb, which works perfectly. I'll just add a script to my first tty to load this module
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233 [02:30:52] <galex-713> and I wouldn’t like to be forced to recompile a whole arm system to virtualize while I only need 2, maybe 3 libs
234 [02:31:07] <galex-713> one of which is already installed in its arm version (its default, seemingly)
235 [02:31:10] <somiaj> maferv: I'm unsure the best way to make it load at boot. I think the /etc/modules fiel still works, then in /etc/modeprobe.d you can add the resolution option to that module to use.
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239 [02:33:43] <somiaj> galex-713: have you read through replaced-url
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242 [02:38:44] <galex-713> mmh
243 [02:38:56] <galex-713> it seems to be mainly for packaged software or compilers
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245 [02:39:18] <galex-713> I already have the arm cross-compiler, and the software I look for is not packaged by debian
246 [02:39:41] <galex-713> yet it is by some project based on debian which has .deb and standard source for .deb (which I still don’t understand)
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248 [02:40:53] <somiaj> maybe others who know more about cross compling can help. I have only skimmed the possiblity out of coursoity, I have never attempted it
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250 [02:42:13] <galex-713> I understand
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252 [02:42:24] <galex-713> it also never interested me before now I need it ^^
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268 [03:03:18] <maferv> it works fine this somiaj, I just did what you told me
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271 [03:04:38] <somiaj> maferv: glad it worked
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306 [03:38:19] <walterve> Hi folks, anyone here using yubikey + gpg + pass + git + ssh?
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314 [03:43:28] <zerocool> i am only using each of those individually
315 [03:43:37] <zerocool> well idk about pass
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317 [03:43:42] <zerocool> what's pass
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334 [03:51:53] <annadane> walterve, if you have a specific technical question it's best to just ask it
335 [03:51:58] <annadane> rather than ask one specific person
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337 [03:55:08] <somiaj> well in this case taking a poll
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374 [04:26:02] <hiexpo> well figured out the segmentation fault error with powershell in debian solved
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377 [04:28:30] <dvs> ,v powershell
378 [04:28:31] <judd> No package named 'powershell' was found in amd64.
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408 [04:53:30] <chrios_> Anyone know when LXD is looking to be released in debian? Debian 10?
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411 [04:53:50] <chrios_> All i can find is the bugtracker notes saying that the last dependency has been pushed to unstable
412 [04:55:20] <dvs> chrios_, it won't show up in stable until Debian 10.
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507 [05:15:26] <hiexpo> judd, its not in the repo's had to add it
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534 [05:17:49] <somiaj> hiexpo: be careful mixing thrid party sources, and in gneral they won't be supported here
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543 [05:19:14] <hiexpo> somiaj, I know just added it to get powershell I know better it can create complete havoc
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636 [05:59:02] <dvergurinn> hey guys, i'm in need of a way to delete subguids due to attempting to get an linux container up and running. would anyone know a good way to do this? i cound't find much on googles
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668 [06:12:20] <chicognu> I'm with a weird problem. On pure terminal, into the login prompt, appers some characters, ^@, over and over again, like if my keyboard have some short circuit, but on gnome it does not appear, and xev don't show any key as been pressed. Any one have a clue on how to fix that ?
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737 [07:08:33] <smokeysea> Hello I am tring to systemctl service which will automatically execute a script on boot.
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740 [07:12:11] <smokeysea> This is the simiple test.service replaced-url
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746 [07:18:08] <smokeysea> Whenever I reboot the machine it does execute a script but the correpsonding program doesn't persist. Eg. replaced-url
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792 [07:55:53] <shtrb|laptop> Is there an equivalent in VirtualBox on Debian to VirtualBox on windows idom for a network device for all vms ? (tap device that should be auto created to hold traffic just for vbox)
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811 [08:12:43] <o11c_> What sources.list line is needed for -dbgsym packages for security updates?
812 [08:13:12] <o11c_> I can see the package by browsing the pool, but they aren't available form the standard line
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814 [08:13:37] <o11c_> specifically, note the multiple versions here: replaced-url
815 [08:14:41] <o11c_> 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1 is in normal stable; 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1 is in security
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890 [09:01:41] <maret> hi , when using top how to reduce all processes with same name under one item and sum up their resources? I have few chromium processes and I want to know how much ram they take in sum
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947 [09:39:30] <bookworm> maret: `man top` and if you can't find an option in there it can't do it
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950 [09:40:10] <bookworm> then you can write a pipeline/script with say awk or something if you really want to use top
951 [09:40:40] <bookworm> or you can query the kernel info directly as you know the pid of chrome
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976 [09:57:30] <`ajven> Hello, I am looking for help - got server where need to configure static IP so I edited the file /etc/network/interface like that blob:replaced-url
977 [09:58:18] <skandix> `ajven: imgur link is 404
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981 [10:01:21] <`ajven> I am sorry, fixed link - replaced-url
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1002 [10:13:49] <Ool> `ajven: not so easy to answer you with this first caracter in your pseudo
1003 [10:14:10] <Ool> why did you comment auto enp0s16 ?
1004 [10:14:30] <`ajven> 0ol: it didnt want to restart network service with that line
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1006 [10:15:01] <Ool> restart ?
1007 [10:15:15] <`ajven> start / restart - yes
1008 [10:15:31] <Ool> and please use my nick without error like this HL work
1009 [10:15:59] <Ool> without this line your NIC stay down
1010 [10:16:57] <`ajven> i was up it via ifup
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1068 [11:03:28] <Iridos> Ool, maybe your nick is not so easy to address with this first character :-}
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1077 [11:12:21] <patterson> Oh. Not0
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1082 [11:13:47] <patterson> never mind
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1116 [11:36:44] <user_unknownOne> hi
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1131 [11:40:24] <Milo-> How does on uninstall this a package that gives: "dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs a valid package name but 'gir1.2-ibus-1.0' is not: ambiguous package name 'gir1.2-ibus-1.0' with more than one installed instance"
1132 [11:40:28] <Milo-> google has been most unhelpful -_-
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1134 [11:41:09] <BanHammor> apt list --installed |grep gir1?
1135 [11:41:39] <Milo-> gir1.2-glib-2.0/testing,now 1.54.1-4 amd64 [installed,automatic AND gir1.2-ibus-1.0/testing,now 1.5.17-3 amd64 [installed
1136 [11:42:53] <BanHammor> can you use paste.debian.net in the future? It's really hard to read this, and the devil is in the details
1137 [11:43:41] <Milo-> replaced-url
1138 [11:44:06] <Milo-> I would have used a pastebin if it had been longer than two lines
1139 [11:45:12] <BanHammor> hm, so that's weird. What command lead you to that first error?
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1144 [11:46:17] <Milo-> tried to install 64bit sdl2 packages, which wanted to get rid of sdl2*:i386 packages.
1145 [11:46:24] <shtrb|laptop> Anyone have a clue what other than modemmanger I should get to work with Huawei GSM stick modems ? It is identified by the kernel , minicom show AT access, but modemmanger / network manger does not allow me access - (getting error "modem state 'failed'" in /var/log/syslog) , When I try to connect to it using modemmanger modem is in state "not connect yet" indefinitely
1146 [11:47:13] <Milo-> now every single apt install and apt remove gives me the gir1.2-ibus conflict
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1157 [11:53:47] <Milo-> well, I ended up removing the pre-install script
1158 [11:53:54] <Milo-> excuse me, pre-remove
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1239 [12:23:01] <expert975> How can I allow non-root users to use shutdown and reboot commands?
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1241 [12:23:59] <NetTerminalGene> expert975, systemctl reboot
1242 [12:24:22] <expert975> Doesn't that require root?
1243 [12:24:27] <NetTerminalGene> no
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1248 [12:26:44] <expert975> How can I allow the shutdown command? I don't think my mom will remember the systemctl part
1249 [12:27:30] <Haohmaru> expert975 don't you have a desktop?
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1265 [12:38:20] <expert975> Haohmaru: I'm using awesome window manager
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1269 [12:39:01] <Haohmaru> uhm so there's nothing like a panel with a menu with logout/reboot/suspend/shutdown?
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1271 [12:39:32] <expert975> Haohmaru: nope
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1273 [12:39:53] <Haohmaru> o_O ... okay, sorry to interrupt
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1298 [12:51:02] <sergey> Hello everyone! I would like to ask if there is any IRC channel related to L2/L3 networking in debian. Would be grateful for any help
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1306 [12:54:22] <tommaso> sergey: afaik no. just ask here
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1308 [12:55:41] <walterve> hio
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1314 [13:04:46] <sergey> Is there any handsome and reliable way to setup network interface parameters like MTU/speed/duplex and bridge interfaces permanently from python. Using ifup/ifdown from subprocess and changing /etc/network/interfaces and using preup/down script with ethtool settings setup doesn't look good due to multiple calls.And it also doesn't allow to add interfaces to bridge. Otherwise, pynetlinux library provides the following features, but it doesn't change inter
1315 [13:04:47] <sergey> faces permanently.
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1373 [13:43:21] <rafalcpp> is debian good to build a multi cpu cluster, to take eg 10 cores 8 cpu and see it as 80 cpu machine?
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1375 [13:44:09] <jelly> rafalcpp: first choose the cluster solution THEN choose the OS that supports it
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1377 [13:44:58] <BCMM> ^ that. there's a bunch of different things you *might* be doing here, so your question is arguably too vague to answer
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1384 [13:46:31] <rafalcpp> jelly: BCMM: the goal here is to buy e.g. 10 of 8 core serwer, and set them up so that from pint of view of a normal progrem it would look like 80 core system, so it can run 80 threads optimally
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1387 [13:46:50] <jelly> rafalcpp: you can't do that from the "point of normal program"
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1389 [13:47:17] <jelly> rafalcpp: your program will have to work with a (well known) distributed multiprocessing API
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1391 [13:47:35] <rafalcpp> jelly: :/
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1393 [13:48:13] <rafalcpp> are there any OSes then that could do that?
1394 [13:48:33] <jelly> yes, OSes that use well known distributed multiprocessing APIs :-)
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1398 [13:49:01] <rafalcpp> jelly: but, on which that would be transparent for the user program, and normal program would just see it as such massive hardware thread machine
1399 [13:49:12] <BCMM> rafalcpp: generally in any kind of massively parallel environment, you're running code specifically written to take advantage of that environment
1400 [13:49:26] <jelly> rafalcpp: sadly that's not how HPC works
1401 [13:49:30] <rafalcpp> (of course a good program could optimize and allocate tasks to v-CPUs that are actually on same real machine if they talk to eachother a lot)
1402 [13:49:38] <BCMM> rafalcpp: if you think about what you just wrote at a low level, you can kind of see why it doesn't work
1403 [13:50:07] <rafalcpp> BCMM: I think about it on low level, and I don't see any not solvable problem with that actually
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1406 [13:50:32] <rafalcpp> other then, talking to other thread, that happens to be on other physical machine, would be really slow, so programs would benefit from taking that into account
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1408 [13:51:03] <BCMM> rafalcpp: for example shared memory access between nodes is inevitably going to be much slower than within a node - sure you *could* just transparently fetch it for applications, but the result would probably be much, much slower than just running locally
1409 [13:51:06] <rafalcpp> inter-thread synchronizatin between you and memory of v-cpu on other machine would be synced via network
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1415 [13:52:53] <BCMM> fact is, the application needs to be aware of which actions are fast and which are slow in such an environment
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1420 [13:55:01] <rafalcpp> BCMM: aren't there APIs to query NUMA layout, and find out which [virtual] CPU threads are fast for me, or are local? which memory is local node?
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1423 [13:55:24] <BCMM> how is that transparent?
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1429 [13:57:16] <bitesss> replaced-url
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1431 [13:57:29] <bitesss> but certainly not with a normal debian kernel. ^^
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1433 [13:58:42] <BCMM> bitesss: do any of those run applications compiled for regular gnu/linux?
1434 [13:58:56] <rafalcpp> BCMM: well it's an optimization. To write code to make sure only long-term batch tasks are placed on remote-cores, that's a possible modification
1435 [13:59:11] <bitesss> dunno, never tried it.
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1438 [14:01:10] <bitesss> i guess the scheduler would keep processes and their threads on one node. but what do i know.
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1465 [14:23:57] <sine0> folks, when doing rsync, is it possible to ssh the file but copying the directory structure, so for /var/log/blah.log when it gets to the other machines backup folder you see the var first
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1489 [14:34:09] <kaisarOS-36401> /msg NickServ REGISTER K@isar kkhan@relisource.com
1490 [14:34:24] <aedinius> ...
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1492 [14:34:28] <sine0> REKT
1493 [14:34:35] <aedinius> Those spaces, man
1494 [14:35:08] <annadane> kaisarOS-36401, change your password, and also i would say use a stronger password also
1495 [14:35:49] <aedinius> Also, and I hope this isn't the case, change your other accounts if you use the same password anywhere
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1500 [14:37:05] <kaisarOS-36401> how to register my nick name with free node
1501 [14:37:16] <kaisarOS-36401> ?
1502 [14:37:55] <annadane> like that but just don't put a space between the start of your message and /
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1505 [14:39:16] <kaisarOS-36401> where should i execute this command
1506 [14:39:22] <kaisarOS-36401> ?
1507 [14:40:04] <kaisarOS-36401> It may be the wrong place where i already executed
1508 [14:40:20] <annadane> yes, it is, because you sent it to the whole channel and now everyone knows your password and email
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1510 [14:41:04] <annadane> just typing /msg nickserv register blah blah in the main window should be fine if you don't leave a space but a safer option is to open a dialog window with nickserv first and do it in there
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1514 [14:43:08] <danieled> hi all
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1516 [14:43:35] <danieled> I use stretch, set static ip. But if modem reboot I change ip... whit?
1517 [14:43:43] <danieled> *why?
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1519 [14:44:59] <sameerynho> hey folks, I can see several threads for urxvtd under my systemd process. but there is no such service. how can I get ride of that ?
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1558 [15:03:31] <password2> hi
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1560 [15:04:29] <password2> can someone help me with installing drivers for my nvidia card? the nvidia installer is telling me to close X , but I don't know how , i did try killall and service stop gdm
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1563 [15:06:31] <annadane> password2, are you installing the nvidia drivers from the debian repository? that's the recommended method
1564 [15:06:46] <annadane> it's not suggested to use nvidia's installer
1565 [15:06:51] <password2> no I tried from nvidias site
1566 [15:06:55] <password2> ah ok
1567 [15:07:05] <password2> so just sudo apt0get install nvidia?
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1571 [15:09:15] <password2> is its name nvidia-driver?
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1575 [15:12:15] <password2> ok brb , rebooting
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1586 [15:17:04] <password2> Hi my lightdm wont start now after installing nvidia drivers :(
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1592 [15:18:56] <annadane> possibly a result of half-installing or installing the nvidia drivers using the nvidia installer and then trying immediately to install from the debian repo
1593 [15:19:12] <annadane> not sure how to fix, but check ~/.Xsession-errors
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1598 [15:21:17] <password2> Annadane the nvidia stuff never installed
1599 [15:21:28] <password2> I think it messed up removing navau
1600 [15:22:07] <password2> Idk how you spell it
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1603 [15:22:43] <annadane> did you apt remove anything?
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1605 [15:23:17] <password2> No
1606 [15:24:01] <annadane> i will let somebody else answer then
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1608 [15:25:07] <password2> Xsession error does not exist either
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1610 [15:25:55] <BanHammor> okay, so. Did you blacklist nouveau?
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1620 [15:27:48] <password2> Bamhammor , no but i did get a conflicting driver warnjng about it and it said i should simply reboot after installation finishes
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1625 [15:29:31] <password2> Anything i can try , googling is a bit hard
1626 [15:29:52] <towo^work> lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
1627 [15:30:24] <towo^work> password2, and paste your Xorg.0.log
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1629 [15:31:12] <password2> Idk how to paste from terminal
1630 [15:31:39] <towo^work> install and use pastebinit
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1636 [15:34:07] <password2> Its not working right
1637 [15:34:31] <password2> It just returns replaced-url
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1639 [15:35:29] <towo^work> what exact are you doing?
1640 [15:35:47] <towo^work> the command would be lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" | pastebinit
1641 [15:35:56] <password2> i tried using pastebinit -i ./myfile
1642 [15:36:02] <towo^work> and pastebinit < /path/to/Xorg.0.log
1643 [15:36:05] <password2> I also tried that
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1647 [15:37:58] <darxmurf> good week-end, cheers folks !
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1651 [15:40:40] <password2> Looks like im going to have a long one
1652 [15:42:31] <alkisg> password2, does this work? date | nc termbin.com 9999
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1655 [15:43:58] <noodlepie> Hiya guys!
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1659 [15:46:29] <password2> Yes
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1663 [15:47:10] <alkisg> password2, ok, then use that one when you want to paste something
1664 [15:47:31] <password2> Ok termbin.com/gqfv
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1667 [15:49:25] <Haohmaru> password2 you could've pasted that one line here directly ;P~
1668 [15:49:43] <password2> You mean retyped?
1669 [15:49:49] <password2> Im on mobile
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1671 [15:49:56] <Haohmaru> aww
1672 [15:50:13] <password2> lightdm is not starting up
1673 [15:50:25] <password2> So pc is not fully booting
1674 [15:50:32] <Haohmaru> nasty
1675 [15:50:53] <Haohmaru> i'm also using this barely-working nvidia for kicad
1676 [15:51:01] <password2> Well yeah
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1678 [15:51:11] <password2> Idk what to do
1679 [15:51:11] <Haohmaru> but i'm using the nouvua-whatever
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1686 [15:53:10] <password2> I was using that , but it was not playing with my new card , so i installed the "reckomended" drivers
1687 [15:53:18] <password2> which fucked my system
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1690 [15:54:33] <password2> Now i'm mashing random buttons to see if i can revive it
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1700 [15:56:46] <password2> Im trying nvidias driver now , seems they atleast put in much more system checks
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1702 [15:58:02] <annadane> i suggest not mashing random buttons
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1704 [15:58:13] <annadane> your problem has a solution which won't be found by randomly trying things
1705 [15:58:19] <annadane> why not get help from us?
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1707 [15:58:34] <BanHammor> "nvidia's driver" being the one from the website? good luck
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1709 [15:58:55] <annadane> and as i said, that ^ isn't recommended
1710 [15:59:08] <password2> Annadane well im here?
1711 [15:59:29] <password2> Doing nothing will be less helpfull than trying random thibgs
1712 [15:59:50] <password2> Official driver did not unfudge things though
1713 [15:59:55] <annadane> lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display" | pastebinit is termbin.com/gqfv correct?
1714 [16:00:00] <annadane> er
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1716 [16:00:07] <annadane> well then it wouldn't be in a termbin >_>
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1720 [16:00:43] <annadane> but yes, that appears to be the information requested
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1724 [16:01:02] <annadane> again, i'm not good with this kind of thing but just wait until someone who knows better gets around to answering
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1728 [16:02:09] <password2> Well till then ill tryto fix things
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1732 [16:03:30] <BanHammor> alright, so step one: remove the "official" nvidia driver.
1733 [16:04:09] <password2> Ok , how?
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1735 [16:05:00] <BanHammor> run the same script you ran while installing it, but with --uninstall added
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1737 [16:05:52] <password2> Ok running
1738 [16:06:04] <password2> Should i reboot agterwards?
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1741 [16:07:12] <BanHammor> yeah
1742 [16:07:21] <password2> Ok rebooting now
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1745 [16:08:04] <password2> Ok rebooted into terminal
1746 [16:08:54] <password2> Should i reinstall the drivers from repo?
1747 [16:09:02] <BanHammor> yeah
1748 [16:09:10] <BanHammor> let's figure out what actually goes wrong with them
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1751 [16:09:36] <password2> Ok , its called nvidia-drivers , right?
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1753 [16:10:16] <password2> The i assume reboot again?
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1755 [16:10:35] <BanHammor> yes
1756 [16:11:36] <password2> I get possible missing firmware , but its about rtl_nic , i think its a wifi dongle i tried to install years ago
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1760 [16:12:39] <password2> Ok I'm back where i was when lightdm first failed it seems
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1763 [16:14:15] <BCMM> password2: usually those would be rtlwifi rather than rtl_nic
1764 [16:14:16] <password2> replaced-url
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1766 [16:14:41] <BCMM> password2: sure you don't have a wired ethernet controller with a realtek chip?
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1768 [16:15:04] <password2> Could be
1769 [16:15:28] <password2> Im using the ethernet connection though
1770 [16:15:38] <password2> But i think thats besides my issue
1771 [16:15:49] <BCMM> yes, sorry for the distraction
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1774 [16:16:14] <password2> Paste above is from systemctl status lightdm.service
1775 [16:16:20] <password2> No issue
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1778 [16:16:47] <annadane> it's called nvidia-driver
1779 [16:16:48] <password2> Anything i should pastebin , let me know
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1782 [16:17:05] <password2> yeah i saw it has no trailing s
1783 [16:17:17] <password2> Its installed now and i rebooted
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1794 [16:20:36] <password2> What can i do next towo^work diagnose the issue?
1795 [16:20:42] <password2> To*
1796 [16:21:14] <BanHammor> password2, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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1799 [16:21:27] <tw> password2: you've already looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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1802 [16:22:55] <password2> replaced-url
1803 [16:23:09] <password2> Tw lol my amswer is at the end of the url
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1808 [16:25:56] <password2> Could it be just that my gfx card is too new?
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1811 [16:26:22] <password2> Well i dont hope so , ilmy old one is dead
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1813 [16:26:33] <password2> *my
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1816 [16:27:36] <annadane> why don't you just paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log as requested
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1820 [16:28:52] <password2> i did paste it
1821 [16:28:54] <tw> it says check your kernel log for error messages. I'm guessing it never loaded the nvidia kernel module.
1822 [16:29:03] <password2> Or did i paste wrongly?
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1831 [16:31:14] <password2> Annadane , its coincidence url endedin nope
1832 [16:31:48] <password2> Tw how do i check?
1833 [16:31:50] <annadane> oh! haha
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1836 [16:32:51] <tw> password2: should be /var/log/kern.log in a fresh boot.
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1838 [16:33:10] <password2> Should i paste /var/log/kern.log ?
1839 [16:33:20] <password2> Ok will do so
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1844 [16:35:48] <password2> replaced-url
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1848 [16:38:48] <password2> Should i have an nvidia module somewhere?
1849 [16:39:46] <somiaj> what do you mean? By default nvidia will use the nouveau module. Did you install the non-free nvidia driver?
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1851 [16:40:39] <password2> I did , then i removed it again
1852 [16:41:04] <password2> Somiaj how mich context do you have?
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1855 [16:42:13] <somiaj> well you can't have nouveau and nvidia running at the same time, and I see nouveau loaded there (though you werew asked for the xorg log file, not dmesg)
1856 [16:42:25] <somiaj> anyways, you installed then removed the nvidia moudle, well if you removed it, it won't be loading.
1857 [16:42:36] <somiaj> but I missed your actual issue.
1858 [16:43:09] <JustASlacker> whats the opinion on firewalld for debian9?
1859 [16:43:11] <JustASlacker> yay or nay
1860 [16:43:12] <password2> i did give xorg log file
1861 [16:43:35] <password2> Lightdm is not starting after installation of nvidia-driver
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1863 [16:43:46] <password2> So i can't boot into my de
1864 [16:43:58] <somiaj> how did you install the nvidia-driver? What nvidia card do you have?
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1867 [16:45:22] <password2> Gt 1030 , installed using sudo apt-get instaal nvidia-driver
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1873 [16:46:34] <somiaj> password2: are you running stretch?
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1875 [16:46:37] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
1876 [16:46:38] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1
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1878 [16:47:24] <password2> Somiaj i *think* so , camt remember
1879 [16:47:26] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1882 [16:47:52] <jelly> which is why there are backports
1883 [16:47:58] <somiaj> replaced-url
1884 [16:48:12] <somiaj> so I think it just your card is not supported by the driver you installed, and you'll have to get the version from stretch-backports to support that card.
1885 [16:48:34] <password2> Ok , how do i install from backports again?
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1896 [16:52:21] <password2> Ok i am on stretch
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1898 [16:53:30] <jelly> !stretch-backports
1899 [16:53:30] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
1900 [16:55:02] <password2> Must i install current version first?
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1904 [16:56:02] <password2> I run sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports but it did not update my driver
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1906 [16:56:26] <jelly> that does not sound like a complete command line
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1909 [16:57:03] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
1910 [16:57:03] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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1915 [16:57:25] <jelly> do that, except add -t stretch-backports when installing stuff
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1918 [16:57:43] <password2> Sorry my attention went pear shaped " sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install nvidia-driver
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1920 [16:57:53] <password2> It said 79 not upgraded
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1922 [16:58:23] <jelly> I do not know whether "apt-get install nvidia-driver" is enough to get things working. The recipe above, however, should be.
1923 [16:58:53] <password2> Ok hang on its gonna take a while to type that whole cmd
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1927 [16:59:28] <jelly> uh, ssh into the machine and copy/paste
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1932 [17:00:13] <jelly> or just copy/paste on the console (install gpm to get mouse and copy/paste working in linux console if you're logged in that way)
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1935 [17:00:33] <password2> Its a bit of a loopy setup , cant easily ssh in now
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1938 [17:01:11] <password2> Hmm why is my system not finind aptitude
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1944 [17:02:54] <walterve> password2: what debian version do you have?
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1946 [17:03:14] <jelly> password2: install aptitude first, then
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1949 [17:03:30] <jelly> it's not present on minimal installations
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1957 [17:04:46] <password2> Walterve stretch
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1961 [17:04:56] <debfan> test
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1963 [17:05:14] <Haohmaru> boooom!
1964 [17:05:25] <walterve> password2: I would recommend to use apt instead of aptitude
1965 [17:05:31] <walterve> sudo apt install package
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1967 [17:05:50] <debfan> hello. how would i suppress deb kernel info from showing up on shell login? unrelated to /etc/motd and /etc/issue but this thing Linux debian 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u2 (2018-02-21) x86_64
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1969 [17:06:37] <debfan> walterve, but how about aptitude search thing ? :)
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1971 [17:06:50] <password2> replaced-url
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1974 [17:07:06] <jhutchins_wk> debfan: Why do you want to supress it?
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1976 [17:07:25] <password2> Urg , wget is saving raw html
1977 [17:07:27] <debfan> jhutchins_wk, i dont like it
1978 [17:07:52] <debfan> i know it doesnt like me as well
1979 [17:07:53] <somiaj> what sort of info is showing up? Usually these are only sever errors, or you have removed quiet from /etc/default/grub
1980 [17:08:00] <debfan> so why shall we both suffer
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1985 [17:09:17] <debfan> password2, thats how wget works
1986 [17:09:24] <debfan> what else were u expecting?:)
1987 [17:09:30] <JustASlacker> anybody know where I could find a debian package for python-firewalld
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1989 [17:09:33] <password2> Idk
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1991 [17:09:39] <somiaj> check out /etc/sysctl.conf and the kernel.printk line it says to comment out to stop low level messages from going to the console.
1992 [17:10:07] <debfan> somiaj, this thing replaced-url
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1995 [17:10:24] <debfan> thx ill follow ur advice now hope it helps
1996 [17:10:28] <jelly> walterve: there's a reason why that recipe uses aptitude, it's better at figuring out alternative dependencies sometimes
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1998 [17:10:57] <somiaj> debfan: oh that is something different, that is not some kerenel error message.
1999 [17:11:10] <debfan> somiaj, printk is commented btw
2000 [17:11:18] <debfan> aha.
2001 [17:11:22] <password2> Sorry , its taking a while
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2003 [17:11:32] <password2> Need to fix html formatting now
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2005 [17:11:51] <somiaj> debfan: I really don't see why that is apeparing, also why is it asking for roots password if you are running as root?
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2018 [17:12:56] <debfan> somiaj, i am running as root and feeling perfectly fine about it as it's local unexposed dev machine and i will never use root when i finish tweaking it of course
2019 [17:13:26] <somiaj> I mean I don't understand why running nano /etc/issue would porduce the output you are showing
2020 [17:13:27] <Haohmaru> famous last words
2021 [17:13:43] <somiaj> I don't see why it would even ask for a password, and then return some motd/issue of some sort.
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2023 [17:13:52] <debfan> somiaj, man u overcomplicating
2024 [17:13:56] <password2> Well its running
2025 [17:13:58] <debfan> nano etc issue did not
2026 [17:14:01] <password2> The cmd
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2028 [17:14:21] <debfan> i was using nano before.
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2030 [17:14:35] <password2> Lets see if succeeds
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2036 [17:16:00] <password2> Restart after running that cmd?
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2038 [17:16:56] <somiaj> debfan: so then it is not clear from your paste what is producing the output of uname -a when you 'login'
2039 [17:16:56] <jelly> yes
2040 [17:17:02] <jelly> password2: ^
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2042 [17:17:10] <somiaj> debfan: at least to me.
2043 [17:17:17] <debfan> btw answering my own question, uname was generated by /etc/update-motd.d/
2044 [17:17:19] <password2> I did , it booted to terminal directly
2045 [17:17:28] <password2> Did not moad about lightdm
2046 [17:17:46] <jelly> password2: pastebin your dmesg output.
2047 [17:18:05] <somiaj> ahh yea, it looked like some automatic script giving that output, and not the kernel, but wasn't sure exactly what you were doing to cause it.
2048 [17:18:07] <jelly> password2: did the kernel module build successfully at installation time?
2049 [17:18:40] <debfan> somiaj, i was logging in to system :)
2050 [17:18:43] <password2> replaced-url
2051 [17:18:46] <debfan> that ws the cause :)
2052 [17:18:53] <debfan> thx for ur efforts
2053 [17:18:58] <debfan> <3
2054 [17:19:22] <jelly> password2: nvidia kernel module loaded, that's good.
2055 [17:20:02] <password2> Should i try starting lightdm?
2056 [17:20:06] <jelly> password2: however it looks like the old version, that's not good
2057 [17:20:08] <jelly> [ 2.811761] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 375.82 Wed Jul 19 21:16:49 PDT 2017 (using threaded interrupts)
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2059 [17:20:33] <password2> Awe :(
2060 [17:20:49] <JohnA> I am thinking of running 2 LVMs on my server 1 for the System stuff (root/var/usr home ...) and 1 for the thinks like mail/web pages/... Any thoughts on the advisability of this ?
2061 [17:21:24] <password2> We want 390 , right?
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2066 [17:23:39] <password2> I'm an idiot
2067 [17:23:43] <jelly> password2: which versions of nvidia stuff are installed? aptitude -F'%20V %p' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
2068 [17:23:49] <password2> I did not edit it!
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2072 [17:24:52] <jelly> password2: redo just the install nvidia-kernel-dkms part, no need to create files in xorg.conf.d again or install headers
2073 [17:25:42] <jelly> (also you're using an outdated kernel. You'll probably want to run aptitude full-upgrade or apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade at some point
2074 [17:26:23] <somiaj> if using an outdated kernel, could it be the headers are for the new kernel (not the old one) and thus the module isn't being built for the kernel being used?
2075 [17:26:34] <password2> What part?
2076 [17:26:52] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2077 [17:26:53] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2078 [17:27:21] <jelly> aptitude -t stretch-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms
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2080 [17:28:38] <password2> Should ibex ave replaced my gpu woth
2081 [17:28:49] <password2> With* gt1030?
2082 [17:28:59] <password2> Or does it not really matter
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2084 [17:29:42] <password2> I have*
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2094 [17:32:37] <password2> Is this right? replaced-url
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2097 [17:33:17] <password2> Thats the 20-nvidia.conf file
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2107 [17:35:38] <password2> Im running apt fullupgrade now
2108 [17:35:52] <HeinzBoettjer> how can I resize a ext4 partition to minimum? resize2fs works but after it is still a large partition.
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2111 [17:36:37] <petn-randall> HeinzBoettjer: What command are you exactly using? How large are the filesystem contents? How large is the filesystem?
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2114 [17:37:56] <password2> Ok rebooting after full install
2115 [17:38:23] <HeinzBoettjer> The Partition is 500 G, data are 170 G, command: resize2fs /dev/sda1 -p 170G
2116 [17:38:31] <bites> resize2fs will not change partition size, only the filesystem inside. note that ext4 also does not support online shrinking.
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2120 [17:40:33] <HeinzBoettjer> online=mounted or must I save the 170G to other drives and delete the partiton?
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2122 [17:40:59] <bites> yes, you can't shrink while it is mounted.
2123 [17:41:20] <HeinzBoettjer> the partition is not mounted
2124 [17:41:33] <bites> you also don't change partition size with resize2fs
2125 [17:41:42] <password2> Now what?
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2127 [17:42:53] <password2> It looks still to be loading 375
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2129 [17:43:31] <HeinzBoettjer> which command to change partiton size instead of resize2fs?
2130 [17:43:59] <evilman_work> HeinzBoettjer: parted.
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2135 [17:46:00] <jhutchins_wk> HeinzBoettjer: You should have a backup any time you change partitioning. Not just the partition you're changing, the whole device.
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2141 [17:46:50] <password2> Hmm
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2148 [17:49:25] <password2> can iter be helpful if i paste my sources file , maybe its wrong?
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2150 [17:51:28] <HeinzBoettjer> evilman_work: parted - resizepart ?
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2155 [17:52:20] <evilman_work> HeinzBoettjer: yep. there is a gui version - gparted.
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2157 [17:53:22] <HeinzBoettjer> does not work because of e2progs 1.42
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2165 [17:55:23] * HeinzBoettjer reboots to try resizepart with grm
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2168 [17:56:24] <jelly> password2: that "-e " should probably be removed from the file. Did you manager to install the newer version?
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2170 [17:57:49] <jelly> password2: verify installed versions with: aptitude -F'%20V %p' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
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2173 [17:59:42] <password2> replaced-url
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2177 [17:59:59] <password2> So still 375.82 it looks like
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2181 [18:01:08] <password2> I removed -e , rebootin now
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2184 [18:03:04] <password2> Im on kernel 4.9.0-6-amd64 now
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2186 [18:03:12] <jelly> that's up to date.
2187 [18:03:30] <password2> Ok
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2189 [18:04:21] <jelly> password2: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-headers-4.9.0-6-amd64" and "apt-cache policy"
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2194 [18:05:39] <jelly> because either you're doing something wrong during backport installation attempt, or apt isn't configured correctly
2195 [18:06:04] <password2> replaced-url
2196 [18:06:22] * jelly waits for the other command
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2198 [18:06:48] <password2> replaced-url
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2201 [18:07:21] <jelly> password2: you did not enable contrib and non-free sections for stretch-backports
2202 [18:07:37] <password2> Oh
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2204 [18:07:56] <jelly> append " contrib non-free" to that deb line
2205 [18:08:06] <jelly> rerun apt-get update
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2207 [18:08:31] <HeinzBoettjer> evilman_work: :-( did not work. has debian 9.0.0 the 1.43 tools as default?
2208 [18:08:44] <jelly> ,v e2fsprogs
2209 [18:08:46] <judd> Package: e2fsprogs on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.42.5-1.1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.42.12-2+b1; jessie-backports: 1.43.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.43.4-2; buster: 1.43.9-2; sid: 1.43.9-2; experimental: 1.44.0~rc1-1
2210 [18:09:03] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: yes
2211 [18:09:12] <jelly> stretch: 1.43.4-2
2212 [18:09:34] <HeinzBoettjer> thanks than I burn a dvd
2213 [18:09:52] <jelly> grml.org 2017.05 ought to be fresh enough
2214 [18:10:14] <jelly> but I did not read what exactly you were trying to do.
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2216 [18:10:17] <HeinzBoettjer> but it does not work
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2220 [18:10:55] <HeinzBoettjer> parted - resizepart - from 500 G to 170 G
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2223 [18:11:23] <evilman_work> HeinzBoettjer: but you should shrink the fs itself before resize the partition!
2224 [18:11:32] <password2> Jelly i rerun the aptitude cmd to update nvidia-kernel-dkms and now its warning about unresolved dependencies
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2227 [18:12:08] <HeinzBoettjer> I did so
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2229 [18:12:51] <HeinzBoettjer> first resize2fs than parted
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2232 [18:13:20] <jelly> password2: show the exact command line you ran and the whole output
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2238 [18:13:55] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: what failed to work?
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2241 [18:14:20] <HeinzBoettjer> no message
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2243 [18:14:36] <jelly> resize2fs should bloody well show SOMETHING
2244 [18:14:40] <password2> how do i capture the output , it ask for a choice, can i still pipe it to nc?
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2248 [18:15:23] <password2> Cmd is : aptitude -t stretch-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms
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2253 [18:15:41] <HeinzBoettjer> sorry, resize2fs report well done but parted say after "are you sure" Yes nothing
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2256 [18:15:54] <jelly> password2: run "script output.txt", it opens a new shell and logs everything in output.txt, then run command in there and "exit" when you're done. Pastebin tht file.
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2258 [18:16:52] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: what does dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatevers | grep 'Block count:' say?
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2261 [18:17:54] <password2> How do i exit?
2262 [18:18:01] <password2> Just type exit?
2263 [18:18:04] <jelly> yes
2264 [18:18:43] <password2> replaced-url
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2266 [18:19:35] <password2> Did that link work?
2267 [18:20:26] <jelly> yes
2268 [18:20:38] <jelly> 13) nvidia-driver [375.82-1~deb9u1 (now, stable)]
2269 [18:20:38] <jelly> 14) nvidia-driver-libs [375.82-1~deb9u1 (now, stable)]
2270 [18:20:43] <password2> Ok it wont open on my phone , odly
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2273 [18:20:51] <HeinzBoettjer> jelly: I reboot and make notices ...
2274 [18:20:52] <debron> hi, I would reallylike to find a browser really light, firefox goes really slow on this primitive laptop. I have tried links2 and works great, but cant access some sites like gmail inbox because javascript its not enabled on links2. I have readed that i need to recompile links2 with javascript enabled but it says its buggy. Any alternatives? thanks in advance
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2278 [18:21:48] <jelly> password2: run it again. when it gets to the same question, note the numbers next to "Remove the following packages:" entry for nvidia-driver
2279 [18:22:42] <jelly> password2: then tell aptitude you Reject the suggestion to remove nvidia-driver, type: r 13 and press enter
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2281 [18:23:12] <jelly> password2: then tell it to try harder: Accept this solution? n
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2283 [18:23:39] <password2> So just r13 when it asks again?
2284 [18:23:50] <password2> And then n?
2285 [18:23:51] <jelly> it might not be 13
2286 [18:23:55] <jelly> correct
2287 [18:24:02] <jelly> mind the number
2288 [18:24:07] <password2> urg it cutts off
2289 [18:24:17] <password2> How do i scroll up?
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2291 [18:24:23] <jelly> shift pageup
2292 [18:25:00] <password2> Ok 13/14 is the same again
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2296 [18:26:12] <jelly> you want to coerce aptitude to upgrade everything nvidia to stretch-backports, and preferably not remove anytihng in the process
2297 [18:26:40] <password2> Ok 13 now have an r next to it
2298 [18:26:44] <jelly> good
2299 [18:26:56] <password2> Should i do this with 14 too?
2300 [18:27:00] <jelly> no need
2301 [18:27:09] <password2> Ok
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2303 [18:27:15] <jelly> let it try to figure things out again, see if it's any better
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2305 [18:27:20] <password2> So now i tell it n?
2306 [18:27:21] <password2> Ok
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2309 [18:28:23] <jelly> and it tries to figure a different solution, one that obeys your "don't remove nvidia-driver"
2310 [18:28:24] <password2> Now it seems it wants to remove even more
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2313 [18:28:52] <password2> Nvidia-driver is no longer in there
2314 [18:28:55] <jelly> does it want to remove nvidia-driver or nvidia-kernel-dkms?
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2318 [18:30:00] <password2> No , only nvidia-driver-libs
2319 [18:30:07] <password2> And a few others
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2321 [18:30:43] <jelly> ,v nvidia-driver-libs
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2323 [18:30:44] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver-libs on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1
2324 [18:30:57] <jelly> password2: reject that one too, then
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2326 [18:31:18] <jelly> and again tell it to think again
2327 [18:31:27] <password2> The i386 versions too?
2328 [18:31:34] <jelly> sure
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2331 [18:32:23] <jelly> you'll only need those for legacy crap or some steam games that are still 32bit, but if they're installed already
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2339 [18:33:12] <password2> Ok it says it want to leave them unresolved now
2340 [18:33:34] <jelly> can you pastebin that bit
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2345 [18:34:08] <password2> Mind if i take a photo?
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2349 [18:34:12] *** jelly sets mode: +b *!*@LFbn-DIJ-1-43-146.w90-62.abo.wanadoo.fr$##not-a-honeypot
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2351 [18:34:14] <jelly> that's fine
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2366 [18:37:21] <password2> Ok , ill have to redo the process and use script again , img upload is not working
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2368 [18:38:24] <jelly> uh, okay. Since you're saving the output you might as well let aptitude do the partial upgrade it wants to do right now, then inspect the log later and see what we're missing
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2370 [18:39:32] <password2> Ok
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2372 [18:39:57] <password2> So Y
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2374 [18:40:01] <ddumk> hello
2375 [18:40:03] <ddumk> i have one problem
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2377 [18:40:33] <ddumk> when i go to ip/phpmyadmin it show 403 forbbiden if i type ip/phpmyadmin/index.php it download file named "download"
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2384 [18:41:33] <jelly> password2: yeah!
2385 [18:41:57] <ddumk> ?
2386 [18:42:05] <ddumk> can someone help me
2387 [18:42:07] <jhutchins_wk> ddumk: You don't have the php handler defined (and posibly not installed) and index.php is not defined as a valid index file.
2388 [18:42:10] <password2> Ok , its running , almost complete
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2390 [18:42:13] <jelly> ddumk: which debian release is this?
2391 [18:42:18] <ddumk> debian 8.0
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2393 [18:42:54] <jelly> ddumk: did php-based web apps ever work on this system before?
2394 [18:42:54] <ddumk> i installed nginx server and then i install phpmyadmin and i added location of phpmyadmin in nginx/sites-enabled/default
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2398 [18:43:59] <password2> Ok its warning about mismatching nvidia kernel being installed amd suggesting i reboot to resolve it
2399 [18:44:37] <jelly> that's expected after a driver upgrade
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2401 [18:44:47] <jelly> after nvidia* driver upgrade
2402 [18:44:55] <password2> Ok doki , now i reboot again?
2403 [18:45:15] <jelly> you can, or you can go install the bits that got removed if any
2404 [18:45:27] <jelly> and then reboot
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2406 [18:45:44] <jelly> eh, reboot now and let's see
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2409 [18:46:38] <password2> Ok rebooted
2410 [18:46:39] <jelly> ddumk: I'd verify php worked at all with a nice phpinfo.php file
2411 [18:46:44] <HeinzBoettjer> jelly: resize2fs says "The filesystem is already 44564480 (4k) blocks long nothing to do!" dumpe2fs says "2228223" parted /dev/sdb1 resizepart: # 1 End 170GB Warning Yes Info fstab. no more
2412 [18:47:10] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: 44564480 * 4KiB is about 170GB so the fs is resized.
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2415 [18:47:33] <ddumk> all noobs god fuck
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2417 [18:47:44] <jelly> !next
2418 [18:47:45] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2423 [18:49:11] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: but dumpe2fs should have reported that same number.
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2426 [18:49:38] <password2> It looks like 384.111 is being loaded
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2429 [18:50:25] <jelly> password2: but your *dm still does not start?
2430 [18:50:52] <password2> yeah , it drops me straight to tty1
2431 [18:51:17] <jelly> password2: can you pastebin the last aptitude install output, to see what's missing
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2433 [18:51:38] <jelly> password2: and also /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2435 [18:51:51] <jelly> password2: what's the timestamp on /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
2436 [18:52:01] <jelly> ls -ld /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2437 [18:52:41] <HeinzBoettjer> jelly: that may that problem that sdb1 is shown under 1.42 with gparted as 465.76. GiB but how to fix it?
2438 [18:52:45] <password2> about 2hours 20 min ago
2439 [18:53:03] <jelly> so it didn't even start now
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2441 [18:53:17] <password2> replaced-url
2442 [18:53:32] <password2> Yeah , can i start it manually?
2443 [18:53:34] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: hm, which partition format is this?
2444 [18:53:40] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: MBR or GPT?
2445 [18:53:46] <password2> Its a long paste
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2449 [18:54:29] <holyhit> hallo
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2451 [18:56:03] <HeinzBoettjer> fdisk say "Disklabel type: dos" so I expect MBR
2452 [18:56:25] <HeinzBoettjer> @ jelly:
2453 [18:56:38] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: you can then use cfdisk or fdisk or sfdisk to edit that table.
2454 [18:57:02] <jelly> password2: dunno, "systemctl start sddm" ?
2455 [18:57:10] <jelly> if it's sddm you use.
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2457 [18:58:03] <password2> unit sddm.service noteness found
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2460 [18:58:36] <jelly> do you... know which display manager is installed?
2461 [18:58:42] <password2> Not found*
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2466 [18:59:21] <password2> Lightdm?
2467 [18:59:32] <HeinzBoettjer> jelly: I can not find a option in fdisk that looks like to change end of a partition
2468 [18:59:36] <password2> Thats the errori was getting right at the start
2469 [18:59:36] <jelly> password2: try to start that one then
2470 [19:00:09] <password2> Nothing happens when ibex try to use systemctl start lightdm
2471 [19:00:16] <password2> No output
2472 [19:00:17] <jelly> HeinzBoettjer: no. You have to delete partition, and create a new one, starting _exactly_ in the same place, and ending wherever you want
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2475 [19:00:35] <jelly> poor ib'ex getting highlighted all the time
2476 [19:00:45] <tw> password2: /var/log/lightdm/ has some interesting files in it as well. You should check those.
2477 [19:00:48] <jelly> password2: systemctl status lightdm
2478 [19:00:50] <password2> whoops
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2480 [19:02:01] <password2> Active for 15 min , jelly
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2482 [19:03:13] <password2> replaced-url
2483 [19:03:41] <holyhit> is it possible to install stretch on bunsenlabs linux?
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2487 [19:04:02] <petn-randall> !bunsenlabs
2488 [19:04:02] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
2489 [19:04:17] <petn-randall> holyhit: That's a different distro, so your question doesn't make much sense. ^^^
2490 [19:04:23] <holyhit> ok
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2492 [19:04:36] <HeinzBoettjer> jelly: that is too much experimental 4 me so I try to burn a debian 9.0.0 DVD and than I try the live system with 1.43 + gparted. If that fails I move the data and delete the whole partition the new funktion should be a apt-mirror with ext2
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2494 [19:05:04] <hypn0> there is #bunsenlabs too
2495 [19:05:10] <password2> None of the logs in /var/log/lightdm updated in the last 2 hours
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2497 [19:05:15] <holyhit> yes, I stay there
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2499 [19:05:51] <hypn0> the are going to release it someday, try archlabs holyhit
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2502 [19:06:25] <holyhit> ok hypn0 i look for archlabs, thx
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2512 [19:09:42] <jhutchins_wk> holyhit: You can install stretch instead of bunsenlabs or beside it.
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2515 [19:11:16] <password2> Meh
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2517 [19:11:38] <password2> i might go and install fresh debian
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2523 [19:12:22] <password2> Ill give until tomorrow
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2526 [19:13:37] <password2> Ill jist have to move my minecraft saves
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2529 [19:14:46] <holyhit> ok jhutchins_wk
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2531 [19:14:52] <holyhit> i try it
2532 [19:14:53] <jelly> password2: weird. Can you try "startx" instead? (xinit package if you don't have it)
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2534 [19:15:14] <jelly> password2: and then see if /var/log/Xorg.0.log is updated
2535 [19:15:45] <jelly> you have to run it directly in console, not inside script
2536 [19:16:02] <password2> Startx dissapeared
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2538 [19:16:36] <jelly> what does that mean!
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2541 [19:17:19] <password2> I could have sworn i had it a few hours ago
2542 [19:17:30] <password2> But im not thinking clearly anymore
2543 [19:17:44] <password2> Maybe it was imagination
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2545 [19:18:03] <password2> Ooh
2546 [19:18:09] <password2> Startx did a thing
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2548 [19:18:40] <password2> im in my desktop
2549 [19:18:42] <password2> !
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2551 [19:19:07] <password2> Desktop looks different now
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2553 [19:19:31] <somiaj> startx may not run the same session as using your display manager
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2559 [19:20:18] <password2> I run it as root
2560 [19:20:30] <password2> Should i have run as my user?
2561 [19:20:32] <somiaj> ahh that is it, it own't be the same as your user
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2563 [19:20:38] <somiaj> yes, in general you never want to run xorg as root
2564 [19:20:50] <password2> Ok / me reboots
2565 [19:21:06] <somiaj> you should be able to just quit
2566 [19:21:09] <somiaj> then run startx as your user
2567 [19:21:13] <password2> Oh
2568 [19:21:22] <password2> Too late :D
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2571 [19:21:51] <somiaj> in general unless you do something with the kernel, you shoudln't need to reboot in linux
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2573 [19:22:11] <password2> ah
2574 [19:22:17] <password2> Now it looks right
2575 [19:22:33] <nix64bit> if you change user permission you might also need to reboot
2576 [19:22:49] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: Permission on what?
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2578 [19:22:56] <somiaj> nix64bit: user permission? I can't think of reboots needed for that.
2579 [19:23:03] <password2> Now what do i fix so i dont have to run startx everytime?
2580 [19:23:04] <Tenkawa> nix64bit: no.. just kill processes or logut
2581 [19:23:06] <somiaj> adding a user to a group just requires you logout, and logback in
2582 [19:23:06] <Tenkawa> logout
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2584 [19:23:31] <jhutchins_wk> password2: Fix your dm.
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2587 [19:24:08] <password2> Jhutchin_wk how?
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2590 [19:24:29] <donofrio> did midori get removed from Debian?
2591 [19:24:31] <somiaj> you don't recall how you disabled lightdm in the first place?
2592 [19:24:34] <somiaj> ,v midori
2593 [19:24:36] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4+b1
2594 [19:25:08] <nix64bit> I changed directory ownership recently an needed to reboot, logging in and out didnt do it
2595 [19:25:09] <somiaj> donofrio: replaced-url
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2597 [19:25:32] <password2> My display goes a bit out of my screen , is this something i can adjust in linux?
2598 [19:25:34] <somiaj> I think something else is going on there, changing the owernship of a directory shouldn't require a reboot.
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2604 [19:26:20] <password2> Hmm hexchat was uninstalled
2605 [19:26:31] <password8> hi
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2608 [19:26:43] <password8> Finally i can open from desktop
2609 [19:26:51] <password8> jelly, thanx so much for the help thusfar
2610 [19:27:11] <Tenkawa> somiaj: sounds likes a missed follow
2611 [19:27:18] <password8> btw , how can i test that my gpu is doing its thing?
2612 [19:27:19] <Tenkawa> paths
2613 [19:27:38] <donofrio> somiaj, and yet links and lynx is still current...humm....I think someone didn't like xfce4 ;(
2614 [19:28:10] <password8> my mouse is jumping
2615 [19:28:12] <somiaj> donofrio: in general I woudl not suggest using any browser except chromium or firefox
2616 [19:29:05] <somiaj> donofrio: I do like the lighter webkit browsers, but they have no security support in debian, and they are a pain to matain because of security issues, hence probably why midori has no one wanting to matain it. And debian doesn't want to support webkit browers, it is too much work.
2617 [19:29:05] <password8> urg , this is bad
2618 [19:29:21] <Tenkawa> those browsers are a different strategy... comparing console to graphial is not equal
2619 [19:29:24] <somiaj> and if debian cannot support a package, it cannot include it in a release.
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2621 [19:29:56] <Tenkawa> uggh i cant type today
2622 [19:30:22] <Tenkawa> password8: what is bad?
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2624 [19:30:45] <password8> Tenkawa, I'm getting really uneven framerate
2625 [19:31:04] <password8> like every 300ms or so it stalls
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2627 [19:31:24] <Tenkawa> what are you running?
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2630 [19:32:05] <Tenkawa> dont get too hung up on framerates
2631 [19:32:19] <password8> Tenkawa, no its very bad
2632 [19:32:26] <password8> like my mouse jumps
2633 [19:32:32] <Tenkawa> run top in a consoole
2634 [19:32:35] <Tenkawa> er console
2635 [19:32:40] <password8> and then?
2636 [19:32:55] <Tenkawa> see what the top couple of procsses are
2637 [19:32:57] <password8> xorg is using like20% cpu!?
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2641 [19:33:26] <debron> Hello. I have installed debian stretch on a dell inspiron 1000, using a USB drive as system drive, since the IDE drive of the laptop its broken and doesnt have any other atm. I installed with xfce DE and everything works decent except web browsing. I am not sure if it is because the rendering, or because the network adapter, could someone help me to diagnose if it is something that could be improved by
2642 [19:33:29] <debron> software? perhaps switching to diferent drivers on network adapter or graphics.
2643 [19:33:29] <Tenkawa> once top is running hit 1
2644 [19:34:04] <password8> Tenkawa, ok
2645 [19:34:06] <Tenkawa> it shoud show you by cpu now right?
2646 [19:34:13] <password8> xorg is using way more than it used to
2647 [19:34:23] <password8> i was running htop
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2650 [19:34:42] <password8> could it be rendering with cpu?
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2652 [19:34:56] <Tenkawa> does any of them show anything really high under wait state?
2653 [19:35:03] <Tenkawa> yes
2654 [19:35:13] <Tenkawa> thats where i was going
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2657 [19:35:28] <somiaj> debron: webbrowsers like to cache everything, this could end up being a lot of read/writes, and on usb io this can be slow.
2658 [19:35:44] <Tenkawa> i wanted to see if this could isolate it
2659 [19:35:47] <somiaj> debron: It could be the network, but I would try other tools to test your network that won't have the io overhead.
2660 [19:35:52] <password8> wait state?
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2662 [19:36:15] <password8> oh uptop
2663 [19:36:27] <password8> wa?
2664 [19:36:32] <Tenkawa> column after id
2665 [19:36:35] <Tenkawa> yep
2666 [19:36:42] <password8> no
2667 [19:36:45] <jhutchins_wk> debron: You'll probably get better results using a live image rather than a standard installation.
2668 [19:36:45] <debron> Well, apt-get sometimes get stucked on connecting
2669 [19:36:56] <password8> but at times xorg uses 35%
2670 [19:37:01] <password8> *25%
2671 [19:37:10] <jhutchins_wk> debron: How much RAM on the system?
2672 [19:37:11] <password8> which is a whole core
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2674 [19:37:15] <Tenkawa> stil ould be the vid
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2676 [19:37:36] <password8> ?
2677 [19:38:01] <somiaj> debron: I would suggest looking into a live system + persistance, as it will run a bit better than running off of the usb directly.
2678 [19:38:08] <Tenkawa> if you run glxinfo from a terminal.. output it to a file
2679 [19:38:25] <somiaj> debron: and it coudl be the network, usb3 might be okay speed, but lots of caching and read/writes to the drive could slow you down because of running off of usb
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2682 [19:38:43] <debron> jhutchins_wk: i would like to check, but since webbrosing is almost impossible and im quite newbie to linux, could you please hint me with some command to check the ram ammount? I think it might me like... 256 MB maybe
2683 [19:38:44] <Tenkawa> look towards the top and see if its dirct rendering or not
2684 [19:39:09] <tw> debron: free -h
2685 [19:39:12] <debron> somiaj: I see
2686 [19:39:20] <debron> thanks , second i willcheck
2687 [19:39:25] <debron> its a very old computer, for sure
2688 [19:39:40] <password8> Tenkawa, i don't follow?
2689 [19:39:42] <jhutchins_wk> debron: free will show your memory; top shows active stats (q to exit).
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2691 [19:40:11] <somiaj> debron: 256megs of ram? A browser will eat that up in no time.
2692 [19:40:22] <somiaj> but yea, look at free, get the real number
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2694 [19:40:32] <debron> 210 MB
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2697 [19:40:47] <debron> yeah... links2 works just great
2698 [19:40:50] <tw> from which field? total?
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2700 [19:41:04] <jhutchins_wk> Wow. Yeah, firfox will kill that.
2701 [19:41:07] <debron> my onlyproblem is compatibility with some sites, like gmail inboc
2702 [19:41:09] <debron> inbox
2703 [19:41:20] <debron> tw: yeah
2704 [19:41:22] <debron> total
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2706 [19:41:31] <debron> free is just 13 MB right now
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2708 [19:42:17] <somiaj> yea any browser will kill 200megs of ram in no time and require you to swap, and this will slow your system to as crawl
2709 [19:42:18] <Tenkawa> password8: run glxinfo | grep "direct rendering: "
2710 [19:42:22] <debron> swap 440 MB, and on the USB, so all the time writting/reading fromthere i guess
2711 [19:42:38] <somiaj> debron: a live system on that little ram would be hard too. I don't think you can nicely run a system off of usb with that little ram
2712 [19:42:43] <disi> why does apt-get bail when i interrupt listbugs even tho it asks if I want to continue, and I said yes?
2713 [19:42:45] <Tenkawa> is it enabled?
2714 [19:42:48] <somiaj> that is you want to use a webbrowser.
2715 [19:43:10] <password8> Tenkawa, it says Yes
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2717 [19:43:48] <debron> yeah, well i wanted to use this to study programming languajes, maybe ill just stick to command line and use links to get docummentation from plain sites
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2719 [19:43:58] <Tenkawa> yeah this is odd... havent seen a system act like this
2720 [19:44:16] <Tenkawa> usually something shows up by now
2721 [19:44:46] <password8> i wish i can show how severe it is
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2723 [19:45:44] <debron> thanks guys. Maybe someone know any DE suite for this very old machines?
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2725 [19:46:08] <debron> lxde was lighter than xfce?
2726 [19:46:09] <tw> debron: you're likely better off installing debian in a VM on a more powerful system. I can exhaust 200MB of ram in a single g++ CI with boost includes.
2727 [19:46:21] <tw> *CU
2728 [19:46:41] <debron> tw: if i could i wouldnt been using this computer hehehe
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2730 [19:47:10] <debron> im in not the best situation right now, soon will be beter, but now this is all i got
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2748 [19:50:51] <Tenkawa> well that was weird
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2750 [19:51:35] <password8> you timed out?
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2753 [19:52:05] <somiaj> debron: a window manager is going to be the lightest weight graphical alternative, and there are various light weight ones to choose form.
2754 [19:52:28] <debron> i remember i used awesome before
2755 [19:52:35] <somiaj> debron: you still may not be able to actually web browse, but maybe get some graphical tools
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2757 [19:52:41] <Tenkawa> yes but I'm on a very congested networkk
2758 [19:52:55] <somiaj> though with that little ram on a modern os, you may want to just use the command line and work from there
2759 [19:53:04] <somiaj> as compling will require some ram if you plan to build things
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2761 [19:53:19] <debron> yeah i think its the best option too
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2764 [19:53:39] <debron> thanks somiaj
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2766 [19:55:40] <debron> I cant understand why this computer had Windows XP by default... I must check the bios because i remember to seesomething like 200+700 RAM or something like that
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2768 [19:55:55] <debron> im going to reboot, brb in few minutes :P
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2774 [19:59:58] <password8> urg
2775 [20:00:19] <password8> minecraft has much better framerate than ever , but the spikes is very bad
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2784 [20:02:31] <password8> best way i can show the spikes replaced-url
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2824 [20:18:19] <password8> my /var/log/Xorg.0.log has 1000s of these lines ! replaced-url
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2826 [20:18:41] <password8> any idea waht my be the cause?
2827 [20:19:06] <password8> so much so that the log file is already 2.5Mb
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2834 [20:20:36] <password8> bigger sample set replaced-url
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2841 [20:22:25] <Epakai> maybe display/cable issues. does the screen freeze or blank regularly?
2842 [20:22:38] <password8> it freezes a lot
2843 [20:22:56] <password8> and xorg has high cpu usage
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2845 [20:23:01] <password8> I'm on an hdmi cable
2846 [20:23:16] <password8> look at the red spikes here replaced-url
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2852 [20:25:31] <Betania> ???
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2855 [20:25:52] <password8> Betania, whats wrong?
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2859 [20:26:45] <Betania> What's this about?
2860 [20:27:09] <password8> whats my issue about?
2861 [20:27:14] <password8> or this channel?
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2863 [20:28:00] <Betania> the channel!!
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2865 [20:28:21] <password8> its mostly a support channel for debain
2866 [20:28:26] <filipe_> Betania, about a operation system
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2870 [20:28:42] <filipe_> Linux based and opensource
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2873 [20:28:54] <nkuttler> free software even
2874 [20:29:19] <Betania> Oh, okay
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2877 [20:30:06] <Betania> que bien me gusta
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2880 [20:30:44] <Betania> my name is betania thank you for your help
2881 [20:32:40] <filipe_> Betania, where are you from
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2883 [20:33:30] <Betania> Been Miranda Venezuela and you
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2885 [20:33:56] <filipe_> Betania, Brazil
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2888 [20:34:19] *** eir sets mode: -bo *!*@LFbn-DIJ-1-43-146.w90-62.abo.wanadoo.fr$##not-a-honeypot eir
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2890 [20:34:45] <Betania> I'm glad
2891 [20:35:00] <hypn0> type /topic
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2900 [20:37:36] <Betania> there is someone I want to talk
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2906 [20:39:06] <password8> anyway , jelly thanx for all your help , hopefully by tomorrow i can make more progress
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2908 [20:39:39] <password8> and everyone else that helped
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2911 [20:40:20] <Betania> ?'''?
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2924 [20:44:23] <annadane> Betania, hi, do you have a support question? go ahead and ask
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2926 [20:45:00] <Betania> not
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2942 [20:48:09] <annadane> the social channel is at #debian-offtopic
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2976 [21:00:00] <hexhaxtron> I wanted to update my whole system at midnight of every day. How should the crontab line be?
2977 [21:00:28] <r3> hexhaxtron: this might help: replaced-url
2978 [21:01:39] <hexhaxtron> r3 0 0 * * * cron-apt?
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2996 [21:09:46] <RoyK> hexhaxtron: better take a look at unattended-upgrades
2997 [21:09:47] <r3> I haven't ever used cron-apt, but you could do something like 0 0 * * * (apt-get update && apt-get -y -d upgrade)
2998 [21:10:14] <RoyK> !
2999 [21:10:15] <RoyK> !unattended-upgrades
3000 [21:10:42] <annadane> dpkg: tell hexhaxtron about unattended-upgrades
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3002 [21:10:58] <annadane> hexhaxtron, check your private messages.
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3036 [21:30:32] <crypt0marauder> hello
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3075 [21:46:12] <disi> why does apt-get bail when i interrupt listbugs even tho it asks if I want to continue, and I said yes?
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3078 [21:47:25] <disi> replaced-url
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3109 [22:02:15] <tacobat> confirming that ^ bug on stretch
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3128 [22:15:15] <Chakka____> Hi Debian folks - thank you for answering my question a few days ago about SMBv3 support in Debian w/latest BPO kernel. I am getting an error mounting encrypted SMBv3 shares on Debian9 - what package should I report against? cifs-utils? Kernel?
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3130 [22:15:54] <Chakka____> Since my kernel is a backported: Linux rstudio 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.13-1~bpo9+1 (2018-01-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux can I even report this bug?
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3135 [22:17:31] <simbalion> Hi, this site recommends only using dist-upgrade for non-interactive updates, can someone explain why? replaced-url
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3138 [22:18:40] <simbalion> and would dist-upgrade still deploy all security patches? Which is my primary concern
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3147 [22:21:07] <simbalion> my understanding is dist-upgrade is for upgrading major debian versions
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3152 [22:21:52] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion: I believe the manpages for aptitude and apt-get explain it pretty well.
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3155 [22:22:51] <simbalion> jhutchins_wk: I did some reading and I see dist-upgrade upgrades dependencies and also removes packages to prevent conflicts, but I don't see how that's superior to using upgrade, if dist-upgrade can update dependencies wouldn't upgrade also do that?
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3165 [22:24:30] <simbalion> perhaps a better question is, can someone provide me an authoritative answer on the best approach to a cron based nightly update?
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3167 [22:24:51] <vlt> !unattended-upgrades | simbalion
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3169 [22:25:23] <simbalion> vlt: Alright, I've been using that method thus far, I will continue to
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3197 [22:39:17] <eric23> I am trying to upgrade to debian stretch from jessie. it is complaining about not having a key with the ID EF0F382A1A7B6500 . what is the recommended way to get it ?
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3209 [22:45:22] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: jessie -> stretch
3210 [22:45:22] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jhutchins_wk
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3212 [22:45:35] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: jessie->stretch
3213 [22:45:35] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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3215 [22:47:28] <eric23> so you are saying I am missing a step ? I don't see anything about public keys
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3229 [22:53:08] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion: Try pasting the full exact text of the error into google.
3230 [22:53:09] <disi> tacobat: I'm on stretch stable fwiw
3231 [22:53:48] <jhutchins_wk> sorry, eric23 ^
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3249 [22:57:42] <boehse_onkelz> guten morgen
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3254 [22:58:49] <saeleko> Hello, I'm currently helping a friend with his debian install through ssh, not that I know debian that well, but `apt upgrade` suggests removing linux-image of the currently running kernel, I don't think that's supposed to happen, or am I wrong?
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3257 [23:00:29] <boehse_onkelz> saeleko: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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3260 [23:01:02] <saeleko> boehse_onkelz: same result
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3262 [23:01:29] <saeleko> I have no idea what he did, but I feel the packages state is inconsistent
3263 [23:01:37] <jhutchins_wk> saeleko: That's not a problem really. Unless you need to load a module, you don't need the kernel on-disk.
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3265 [23:01:46] <saeleko> Oh
3266 [23:01:48] <saeleko> Okay
3267 [23:01:57] <jhutchins_wk> saeleko: aptitude -f upgrade?
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3269 [23:02:16] <saeleko> Doesn't have aptitude installed
3270 [23:02:35] <saeleko> Do I have to get it as well? I don't recall ever needing it on my server
3271 [23:02:47] <jhutchins_wk> saeleko: It's not uncommon to make boot a separate partition that gets un-mounted when it's done booting, and the kernel binary is in /boot.
3272 [23:03:04] <jhutchins_wk> I think apt-get will -f, pretty sure apt will.
3273 [23:03:54] <saeleko> jhutchins_wk: I know, my computer's runs Gentoo, I've done a whole lot of manual kernel stuff and partitioning, it's just that I'm kind of lost when it's automatic :')
3274 [23:03:57] <dob1> if I don't have any reference on eth0 (or any other interfaces) on /etc/network/interfaces where is setup the lan address ?
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3276 [23:04:28] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Probably network manager.
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3278 [23:04:50] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: ... which probably uses dhcp.
3279 [23:05:01] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, where can I look?
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3282 [23:05:53] <dob1> for sure it is assigned via dhcp
3283 [23:05:57] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Which release? Do you have a GUI/Desktop? Which one?
3284 [23:06:12] <dob1> I am connected via ssh, it's jessie
3285 [23:06:35] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Ok, so what do you want to change?
3286 [23:06:53] <saeleko> jhutchins_wk: well indeed grub seems just fine with it, my bad, thanks for the help o/
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3288 [23:07:15] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, change nothing, just confirm it is assigned via dhcp
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3292 [23:07:43] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: How else would it be assigned if you didn't configure it? ps ax | grep dhc
3293 [23:07:48] <dob1> I found something on /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired\ connection\ 1
3294 [23:08:34] <jhutchins_wk> dmesg -T | less
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3296 [23:09:16] <dob1> jhutchins_wk, I didn't configure it, the address is static not assigned via dhcp
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3298 [23:10:36] <jhutchins> dob1: I'm out. Provide a much more detailed account of what you're trying to do and what the environment is. The only answer I can give you from what you've said is "it depends".
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3304 [23:12:01] <dob1> jhutchins, I found the answer. This system was not installed by me and I was checking if the lan address is assigned via dhcp or it is static. on /etc/network/interfaces there is nothing, you suggest me to look about NetworkManager and I found somehthing on /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired\ connection\ 1
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3308 [23:12:17] <dob1> here the address is setup
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3370 [23:33:22] <MichaelOF> hi all. installed 9.3, fresh download, i386, on an old PC. Dual boot, old XP box. Installation itself went fine, system starts. But X / Gnome fails to start. Screen changes to graphical, mouse cursor appears, a couple of seconds to be waited, mouse cursor dissappears. X starts automatically again.
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3372 [23:33:53] <MichaelOF> Login via ssh is possible, and dmgesg shows " gnome-shell[503]: segfault at 4 ip ac6e876d sp bf923e90 error 4 in libLLVM-3.9.so.1[abde2000+2d1b000]"
3373 [23:34:21] <MichaelOF> again and again. found this: replaced-url
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3386 [23:41:15] <jhutchins> dob1: That was probably configured vi nm-cli or if there's a GUI then the NM Applet for whatever desktop. Wouldn't be by editing a file.
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3401 [23:50:33] <annadane> starting virt-manager gives the following: replaced-url
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