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4[00:00:43] <moriarty> i'm surprised at how huge debian is compared to say, redhat
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7[00:02:16] <Tenkawa> moriarty: define huge
8[00:02:26] <moriarty> Tenkawa, the size of the channel
9[00:02:26] <Tenkawa> in what regard?
10[00:02:29] <teatime_> disi: lowest metric wins, generally
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13[00:02:35] <Tenkawa> ahh
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15[00:02:54] <disi> teatime_: any idea if DHCP will overwrite my second default?
16[00:02:59] <Tenkawa> welcome
17[00:03:10] <teatime_> I unno
18[00:03:23] <disi> guess ill find out soon enough :p
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20[00:03:31] <Tenkawa> disi: one nic or 2?
21[00:04:36] <Tenkawa> advertise your mac address in your dhcp lease and that should keep it consistent
22[00:04:47] <awal1> moriarty, by "hugue" I thought you was refering to available pkgs rhat around 12000 vs debian like 50000 :P
23[00:04:59] <moriarty> awal1, lol
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25[00:05:26] <awal1> moriarty, not a joke :P
26[00:05:58] <moriarty> awal1, that's good to know :)
27[00:06:12] <awal1> debian have more pkg than any other gnu/linux distro ; followed by gentoo
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29[00:06:50] <moriarty> ah i see
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33[00:07:21] <Tenkawa> ahh
34[00:07:30] <Tenkawa> apparently I was confused too
35[00:07:47] <moriarty> that auto-limit is a nice protection against flooders
36[00:07:47] <Tenkawa> yes.. debian has a lot of software
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38[00:08:05] <Tenkawa> but we have a lot of people in here :)
39[00:08:08] <moriarty> yeah i would definitely consider debian for my personal use then
40[00:08:54] <awal1> well, ubuntu and mint not counting, since they are leeches / debian based
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42[00:09:26] <Tenkawa> bbl
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45[00:09:41] <awal1> not sure if call them leech or softwaresucker :P
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73[00:18:08] <disi> Tenkawa: 1
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383[00:41:15] <nic_> hi people, I'm running xfce and installed i3, I reboot'd and I noticed that my notification daemon changed from the xfce default to dunst
384[00:41:19] <nic_> I have no idea how to get it back
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387[00:42:04] <nic_> I'm ok with dunst running on i3, but not on xfce
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394[00:46:33] <rant> nic_: idk a bout these specific programs, but it sounds like whatever this is may be running as a systemd service rather than a daemon started at your login session
395[00:46:50] <nic_> let me check
396[00:47:01] <rant> if that is the case, itmay be a bit more tricky to get it setup to run one in one session and the other in another session.
397[00:47:20] <nic_> the tree starts with /lib/systemd/systemd --user
398[00:47:24] <nic_> and then /usr/bin/dunst
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401[00:49:12] <rant> hmm..
402[00:50:19] <nic_> I found only 1 thread on the internet about it, but the documentation is bad
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404[00:51:30] <rant> yeah.. I can imagine.. I been using Debian since Potato, the systemd thing is still fairly new to me.. I know some basics so far, but not about how it handles per user/session stuff
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409[00:53:16] <rant> if its systemd running it though, then you either gotta remove that service unit and set it up elsewhere or you gotta figure out how your DM or DE is starting that user session via systemd to be able to customize which notification system runs
410[00:54:10] <rant> I believe xfce has a session manager but I dont think i3 does.. so without systemd doing it, you'd have to probably have your DM do it and idk that any DMs can even do things on a per-session-type basis
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412[00:54:47] <nic_> thank you rant
413[00:54:58] <erasmus> <3 i3
414[00:54:59] <nic_> i'll try to find more info on that
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416[00:56:33] <nic_> :( i3
417[00:57:37] <erasmus> nic_ is the problem with i3?
418[00:57:44] <erasmus> sorry I cannot scroll up I just joined.
419[00:57:48] <erasmus> try #i3
420[00:57:59] <nic_> erasmus, it's dunst replacing my xfce notification thing
421[00:58:06] <nic_> after I was done installing i3
422[00:58:20] <erasmus> so are you tiling?
423[00:58:26] <nic_> not right now, just pure xfce
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425[00:58:38] <erasmus> you want my config?
426[00:58:53] <erasmus> I put the i3 bar on top.
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428[00:59:04] <nic_> sure why not
429[00:59:10] <erasmus> ok one sec
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439[01:08:28] * RoyK thinks erasmus needs an i386
440[01:09:03] <erasmus> why cause I gave him my config and he rebooted and hasn't come back?
441[01:09:09] <erasmus> lol
442[01:09:15] <erasmus> he'll be back :-)
443[01:09:48] <erasmus> all he had to do was reload i3
444[01:10:22] <RoyK> i386 has far more digits than i3
445[01:10:25] <RoyK> it must be better
446[01:10:48] <erasmus> I'm actually running i3 on an Intel Celeron cpu 1.4ghz
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449[01:11:13] <erasmus> it's really quite an elegant wm.
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451[01:12:15] <expert975> I've installed fortune, now how do I set it as MOTD?
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462[01:18:00] <rant> RoyK: less has more features than more..
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464[01:18:57] <RoyK> rant: oh - really? ;) I learned about less around 1994 :D
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466[01:19:10] <rant> just saying more isn't always better :P
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469[01:19:57] <RoyK> and my reference to i386 was obviously ironic…
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472[01:20:20] <RoyK> hence the processor from the late eightees
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533[02:13:09] <slackjeff> hey guys need helpppp
534[02:13:26] <slackjeff> i run command
535[02:13:30] <slackjeff> # apt-get update
536[02:13:34] <slackjeff> and return error
537[02:13:35] <slackjeff> E: Unable to determine an applicable type of packaging system.
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540[02:13:57] <slackjeff> aptitude update
541[02:13:58] <slackjeff> E: Unable to determine an applicable type of packaging system.
542[02:13:58] <slackjeff> Targeting failed
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545[02:16:10] <klys> slackjeff, what's in /var/lib/dpkg ?
546[02:16:54] <slackjeff> klys, show directory?
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548[02:17:13] <slackjeff> klys, directory null
549[02:17:31] <klys> slackjeff, you need dpkg
550[02:17:41] <slackjeff> lol, and again?
551[02:17:57] <slackjeff> and now*
552[02:18:06] <slackjeff> lol corrector is fool
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554[02:18:51] <klys> slackjeff, can you get you replaced-url
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559[02:19:29] <slackjeff> klys,
560[02:19:30] <slackjeff> Okay, but how do I install a .deb without dpkg?
561[02:19:38] <annadane> Very Carefully
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563[02:20:02] <klys> slackjeff, ar x file.deb; tar zxpvf data.tar.gz
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567[02:21:06] <klys> if it contains an .xz you may need xzip as well.
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569[02:22:45] <klys> slackjeff, also, go here replaced-url
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574[02:24:26] <slackjeff> klys,
575[02:24:27] <slackjeff> ok
576[02:24:34] <slackjeff> now i copy the directorys?
577[02:24:45] <slackjeff> etc/ sbin/ usr/ var/
578[02:24:46] <slackjeff> ?
579[02:24:51] <klys> slackjeff, cp -a to /
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594[02:28:58] <slackjeff> klys, ty man
595[02:29:01] <slackjeff> solved
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598[02:30:21] <hemebond> Is it correct that critical bug fixes will be backported/released for testing after unstable?
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601[02:31:45] <klys> hemebond, backports are at replaced-url
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605[02:34:02] <hemebond> Does that apply for new package versions?
606[02:34:18] <hemebond> I'm trying to figure out if ppp 2.4.7-2+2 will be released to testing.
607[02:34:43] <klys> hemebond, there are testing backports in debian, yea.
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609[02:35:02] <hemebond> Do I need the backports repo configured?
610[02:35:11] <klys> to use it you would
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612[02:35:48] <hemebond> I mean to get the new version of that `ppp` package.
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615[02:36:28] <hemebond> I don't see a testing-backports at that URL....
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620[02:38:12] <hemebond> Ah, I found replaced-url
621[02:38:19] <hemebond> So hopefully only a few more days to wait.
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623[02:38:46] <hemebond> Thanks.
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634[02:44:52] <foo> I'm having an issue where my init script doesn't seem to recognize my new python venv I created. It's throwing an error, however when I take command from init script and manually run it works fine
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651[02:57:29] <dokma> I need to get a DWL-520+ chuggin along on Debian. Is it possible to just use a kernel module from Ubuntu?
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654[02:57:50] <dokma> It's a acx100 which is notoriously badly supported.
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669[03:06:56] <walterve> Hi there, I am a system engineer with experience on RT, OpenLDAP, Docker, Jenkins etc, do the debian project needs hands on infrastructure?
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671[03:09:22] <awal1> walterve, check replaced-url
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673[03:09:40] <walterve> thank you awal1
674[03:11:17] <walterve> seems like the only way is becoming a DM and then DD
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681[03:16:11] <annadane> walterve, debian does accept hardware donations, if that's what you meant by infrastructure
682[03:16:47] <walterve> I mean by infrastructure people doing sysops stuff
683[03:16:57] <walterve> over debian infrastructure
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796[04:58:00] <foo> I have this init script: replaced-url
797[04:58:32] <foo> Is that normal?
798[04:58:46] <martian67> is one of them grep
799[04:58:58] <martian67> (pgrep fixes this issue)
800[04:59:57] <foo> martian67: haha, no - seen that before
801[05:00:14] <martian67> then shouldnt there be three processes :)
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803[05:00:31] <foo> I'm only including the gunicorn one :)
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811[05:11:13] <foo> martian67: here: replaced-url
812[05:11:18] <foo> there should only be one, right?
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815[05:14:49] <martian67> id say so foo but i have no idea
816[05:14:54] <martian67> not the person to ask
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881[06:13:20] <herekun> hi for all? can anyone to help me with my storage?
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890[06:16:54] <annadane> herekun, just ask your question anyway
891[06:17:16] <herekun> help me, please. I have home storage with my gay & furry porn, and I want to have best perfomance on it. now I use 4 3Par's with totaly 200Tb of space. I use ocfs2 and FC fabric to connect my home computers to it.
892[06:17:16] <herekun> I use thunderblot to PCI-e adapted with fibr
893[06:17:16] <herekun> echannel card to delivery my gay porn to my macbook pro. I use SAN on FC on Silkworms 200E as SAN-core; But now I think, that I need to move to Ceph on ZFS to best mobility and my integrity. I want to use "proxy" servers with FC connection to SAN and ethernet and infiniband connection to my LAN.
894[06:17:16] <herekun> I think, that I can migrate my gay & furry porn to new FS over restore from tape LTO-6 backup. but it is a lot of work to do it. on my place what did you with your's gay furry porn storages? migrate from cluster FS to distributed FS or not
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896[06:18:27] <herekun> annadane: ?
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902[06:26:54] <awal1> :D
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904[06:28:04] <herekun> awal1: ?
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906[06:28:53] <awal1> herekun bored tonight?
907[06:29:14] <herekun> awal1: why did you think so?
908[06:30:08] <awal1> herekun, I am busy now
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911[06:30:34] <herekun> awal1: fap-mode enabled?
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995[07:48:17] <Chakka____> I'm Curious about encrypted smbv3 mount support as well
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1016[08:05:36] <alkisg> Any way to fool "chown" so that it doesn't complain over sshfs? I tried `sshfs -o uid=0,gid=0 ` but it complains even when the mapped uid is already 0:0...
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1120[09:33:39] <m1dnight_> Hey guys, I'm building my first deb package from somebody else's project. The project seems to use a build.sh file that sets some arguments and env vars, before actually calling the makefile. Should I try and put it all in a single makefile, or can i safely work around this?
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1253[11:32:20] <clemens3> hmm, for ruby, which package contains the gem command? I am on Jessie.. thnx!
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1256[11:33:35] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I got many users using my SSH service and recently the load average is about 5000
1257[11:33:39] <hexhaxtron> The system is very very slow. What should I do?
1258[11:33:49] <hexhaxtron> I'm running this command to see who is using the most CPU but it's been half a hour so far.
1259[11:33:53] <hexhaxtron> ps aux | sort -nrk 3,3 | head -n 5
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1263[11:37:57] <BanHammor> htop can do that more easily, and some jobs may be invisible due to you not having root perms
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1265[11:38:19] <hexhaxtron> BanHammor: I'm root too and htop seems to freeze.
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1269[11:41:03] <jelly> hexhaxtron: what does "free" say?
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1272[11:42:31] <hexhaxtron> jelly: replaced-url
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1274[11:45:22] <slax0r> try top instead if htop freezes
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1276[11:45:56] <hexhaxtron> slax0r: I think it's not freezing but it's taking very long such as 'w' and 'ps aux'.
1277[11:46:06] <cybrNaut> xdg-mime query default image/png <= this only gives the default app for opening a PNG file. How can I list all available apps on the system for a given filetype?
1278[11:46:51] <jelly> hexhaxtron: do you have per-user process limits?
1279[11:46:59] <hexhaxtron> jelly: I think not.
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1281[11:47:13] <jelly> hexhaxtron: do you have per-user cgroups cpu% limits?
1282[11:47:18] <hexhaxtron> I don't.
1283[11:47:45] <jelly> hexhaxtron: then you probably don't want to run a public shell server. <evil laugh>
1284[11:48:33] <hexhaxtron> jelly: can you help me fix it? And bring system back to normal?
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1288[11:49:28] <jelly> hexhaxtron: the easiest thing to do is push the little reboot button
1289[11:49:33] <hexhaxtron> I know...
1290[11:49:40] <hexhaxtron> But there must be another way...
1291[11:49:48] <jelly> that's also the fastest way
1292[11:49:57] <cybrNaut> hexhaxtron: the graceful thing to do is to suspend the top consumer, w/out killing it
1293[11:50:08] <hexhaxtron> I got an uptime of 140 days and I wanted to keep it. :)
1294[11:50:47] <slax0r> is uptime a measurment of something?
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1297[11:51:10] <elevated> of the time being up, i guess
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1299[11:51:47] <slax0r> yeah, but I mean, the longer that time, does it mean that you are somehow better?
1300[11:52:09] <elevated> only if you're dropbox or gcp or something
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1304[11:52:27] <elevated> but people like their metrics, i guess
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1306[11:52:50] <slax0r> just checked, 302 days on this server, does this mean I'm better than hexhaxtron ?
1307[11:52:56] <uptime> Yes.
1308[11:53:21] * slax0r dances like he just doesn't care
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1311[11:54:12] <elevated> but you do, you do care :)
1312[11:55:43] <cybrNaut> skilled admins don't kill the whole system if something isn't right.. they fix the problem, which is why the uptime is a measure of a well-maintained system
1313[11:56:24] <Sia-> hi, can't fix this read onley file system. replaced-url
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1317[12:00:02] <clemens3> regarding gem command, it actually comes with the ruby package, just is named gem2.1..
1318[12:00:02] <BanHammor> Sia-, are those 6 lines it? No more output?
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1321[12:00:17] <hexhaxtron> jelly: can you help me fix the very high load average?
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1325[12:02:03] <hexhaxtron> jelly: this is top: replaced-url
1326[12:02:38] <Sia-> BanHammor, replaced-url
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1329[12:04:01] <BanHammor> okay, so that sounds...normal.
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1357[12:26:44] <alexas> any mosh users here?
1358[12:27:16] <alexas> I have a server with non root prevelegies and I can't connect using it to it I asked sysadmin to open the ports but I need further advice it seems
1359[12:27:27] <oo_miguel> I defined a simple wrapper function inside my .bashrc that tunes some parameters to a specific programm. I would also like to utilize the same behaviour when I open this programm from X. However .bashrc is not read then obviously. What is the recommended way to share this function between bash and 'X' ?
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1361[12:31:58] <BanHammor> oo_miguel, edit the .desktop file to use your function.
1362[12:32:40] <JustASlacker> is there a way to search for files via apt
1363[12:32:43] <JustASlacker> I need to get libICE.so.6
1364[12:33:23] <BanHammor> install apt-file and use "apt-file search"
1365[12:34:15] <JustASlacker> thx
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1378[12:42:51] <oo_miguel> BanHammor: hmm ok, thank you.
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1381[12:44:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
1382[12:45:20] <alexas> ok no mosh users here
1383[12:45:32] <BanHammor> mosh?
1384[12:45:54] <alexas> mobile shell
1385[12:46:01] <alexas> it's kind of ssh updated stuff
1386[12:46:14] <alexas> mosh.org
1387[12:46:25] <alexas> I have it installed on debian server
1388[12:46:31] <alexas> but can't connect to it from my linux
1389[12:48:17] <alexas> replaced-url
1390[12:48:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1391[12:49:02] <die7> alexas: FW?
1392[12:50:39] <alexas> well I explisitly asked my sisadmin to open certain ports and he said he did I have no reason to doubt it
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1396[12:52:11] <babilen> alexas: There are most likely multiple mosh users here, but it might not be entirely sure what your exact problem is or how you want us to help
1397[12:52:18] <babilen> s/sure/clear
1398[12:53:16] <die7> alexas: can you login to this server, do you see socket?
1399[12:53:22] <babilen> Start with "What is the exact error?", "Which ports (tcp/udp) did you asked for and which have been opened exactly?", ...
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1401[12:53:40] <die7> can you run tcpdump and filtering your ip
1402[12:53:43] <babilen> Peruse replaced-url
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1404[12:53:52] <alexas> well I can't use it because it says the ports are not open and my administrator says they are and the system it is happening to is Debian that's why am asking
1405[12:54:02] <alexas> if any other users here use this and maybe experience the same issue
1406[12:54:04] <alexas> nevermind
1407[12:54:12] <die7> alexas: local iptables?
1408[12:54:14] <alexas> die7: I can login just ok from ssh
1409[12:54:21] <ghxst> hey guys, what's like the most lightweight remote desktop client for debian 9? I'm connecting from windows
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1411[12:54:38] <die7> alexas: look for socket netstat -antup
1412[12:54:43] <alexas> die7: am not aware of that, can I as a non-root user edit local iptables?
1413[12:54:52] <die7> alexas:no
1414[12:54:58] <alexas> so no no iptables
1415[12:55:00] <die7> but you can see it
1416[12:55:06] <die7> iptables -S
1417[12:55:36] <alexas> system return error that command not found
1418[12:55:58] <die7> alexas: hmm, netstat should work
1419[12:56:44] <alexas> yes it output lots of data
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1421[12:57:02] <alexas> what should I look for there? am not super experienced in Linux network configurations yet
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1423[12:57:17] <die7> alexas: do you see with netstat -antup your app/ports
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1425[12:58:09] <alexas> I don't think it's there
1426[12:58:26] <die7> alexas: well
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1428[12:59:05] <jelly> hexhaxtron: that's not all top says, where are the processes?
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1434[13:05:18] <alexas> die7: can you please tell me again what exactly I should look for in the output of netstat? of mosh needed ports?
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1436[13:05:27] <alexas> sorry to be so illiterate about it
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1458[13:22:18] <die7> alexas: mosh is server/client based application
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1460[13:22:53] <die7> alexas: if your mosh server does not run , how shoul clinet be able to connect
1461[13:23:25] <die7> replaced-url
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1463[13:25:50] <alexas> ok sorry
1464[13:25:53] <alexas> now it's running
1465[13:26:01] <alexas> but I still can't connect to it
1466[13:26:16] <die7> running on server side or?
1467[13:26:45] <alexas> yes it's running now
1468[13:27:22] <die7> then can be just iptables localy or firewall beteen
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1470[13:28:59] <alexas> sorry I can't find how to look for locally opened ports through iptables, I believe I can't execute it through my bash it returns command not found or something of this kind
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1472[13:31:02] <die7> from another pc you can scan for open ports
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1474[13:31:44] <die7> nmap -sS mosh.server -p 60000-65535
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1476[13:31:58] <abrotman> alexas: `iptables -L -n` do you have many lines, or just a few?
1477[13:32:15] <abrotman> You need to run that on the server
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1480[13:32:28] <abrotman> and if you can't login to the server remotely, this is going to be really hard to troubleshoot why you can't login
1481[13:33:06] <die7> alexas: scan for open ports
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1486[13:37:03] <alexas> die7: iptables command not found
1487[13:37:53] <slax0r> are you root?
1488[13:38:07] <slax0r> is netfilter installed?
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1492[13:39:06] <die7> hmm
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1494[13:39:12] <die7> mosh need just ssh
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1497[13:41:35] <die7> alexas: if you get error mssage like ´ mosh did not make a successful connection to 312.666.31.11:60001¨
1498[13:42:40] <die7> then you know two things: your ssh works , but fw prevents 60001 wich will be used for communication
1499[13:43:20] <alexas> well my ssh works my admin say he opened ports so...
1500[13:43:22] <die7> alexas: you can start your mosh server on other port like 80,
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1502[13:46:20] <alexas> I should try that
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1504[13:47:24] <alexas> can't see how to do it on first glance but I will look into that, thanks
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1515[13:53:38] <oo_miguel> why is the $HOME/bin path added in .profile but NOT in .bashrc.. If I understand correctly, my x-terminals are not started as login-shells, so they do not get $HOME/bin added to the PATH , while logging in via the "console" gets this?
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1529[14:10:16] <RoyK> oo_miguel: iirc it's not added anywhere by default
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1532[14:11:21] <oo_miguel> RoyK: just did ctrl-alt-f1 and looged in there
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1534[14:11:47] <hexhaxtron> jelly: what should I do?
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1536[14:12:01] <oo_miguel> and 'echo $PATH' shows that /home/miguel/bin is on the path. while it is not inside an xterm
1537[14:12:01] <RoyK> hm - seems it's in .profile, yes
1538[14:12:04] <jelly> hexhaxtron: reboot and implement limits
1539[14:12:23] <hexhaxtron> jelly: I'd prefer another alternative instead of rebooting...
1540[14:12:28] <RoyK> oo_miguel: it's not in PATH after an ssh login either
1541[14:12:36] <oo_miguel> oh ok
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1543[14:12:48] <oo_miguel> what Is on the $PATH? and how can I control it
1544[14:12:49] <jelly> hexhaxtron: your kernel is outdated and security-buggy.
1545[14:12:52] * RoyK doesn't use .profile anymore
1546[14:13:07] <RoyK> oo_miguel: just add those lines to ~/.bashrc
1547[14:13:13] <die7> what to use to control large number of the server..altertantive to cockpit?
1548[14:13:18] <oo_miguel> I have 'echo $command | /bin/bash' being called from dmenu, and adding it to .bashrc does not help here
1549[14:13:20] <hexhaxtron> jelly: how can I know what's causing the very high load average? It's about 5000...
1550[14:13:24] <RoyK> not sure why .profile isn't read
1551[14:13:36] <RoyK> hexhaxtron: probably some i/o hanging
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1553[14:13:43] <RoyK> 5000 of load is *high*
1554[14:13:51] <jelly> RoyK: he has a free shell server.
1555[14:13:56] <RoyK> hehe
1556[14:13:58] <oo_miguel> RoyK: It is read for login shells only, but it makes no sense to put $HOME/bin there in my opinion.
1557[14:14:03] <jelly> it does not have to be i/o
1558[14:14:09] <RoyK> hexhaxtron: pastebin output of 'ps axfww'
1559[14:14:25] <hexhaxtron> RoyK: I think it's going to take a very long time but let me try.
1560[14:14:26] <RoyK> jelly: it usually is with that high load
1561[14:14:32] <oo_miguel> which iicr ist the .profile there was in my debian by default
1562[14:14:48] <jelly> RoyK: (97% SYS time spent might be anything, memory pressure and TLB, might be io, might be something else)
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1564[14:15:15] <RoyK> might be someone running a raspberry pi v1 as a free shell server
1565[14:16:00] <jelly> hexhaxtron: reboot now. Implement limits. Implement process accounting (atop is nice). Then when it happens again, you'll actually have some data. Right now you don't seem to have any way to acquire useful data.
1566[14:16:04] <hexhaxtron> RoyK: that command may take 2 hours or so.
1567[14:16:13] <jelly> RoyK: I want a r.pi with 64GB RAM, too
1568[14:16:17] <RoyK> hexhaxtron: low on memory?
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1570[14:16:45] <jelly> their "free" output did not point to "low on memory", 12GB available
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1572[14:17:03] <hexhaxtron> RoyK: replaced-url
1573[14:17:16] <jelly> hexhaxtron: and patch your multiuser system REGULARLY
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1576[14:18:03] <RoyK> replaced-url
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1593[14:25:53] <dka> How can I replace the string $NAME with 'foobar-package' within all under path docs/**/*.md using bash ?
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1601[14:30:16] <jelly> dka: you won't be using just bash, but one tool to find all the desired files (might be bash, could be find), and another to do an in-place search/replace on those files (perl, or sed -i, or something else)
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1608[14:32:42] <jelly> dka: first part: replaced-url
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1614[14:34:01] <jelly> dka: for the second part, learn how to do that replacement with sed: echo 'our $NAME much better than alternatives' | sed 's/\$NAME/foobar-package/g'
1615[14:34:02] * themill hugs shopt -s globstar
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1618[14:34:43] <jelly> dka: then look at sed's -i option (or perl -p -i)
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1621[14:35:35] <ghxst> do I need apparmor for my debian router with dns ?
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1703[15:40:19] <deadrom> hi all
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1708[15:42:08] <hpfmn> hi
1709[15:42:18] <hpfmn> I try to update a debian package to a newer upstream release by hand
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1711[15:42:33] <hpfmn> and I'm getting a lot of dpkg-source: cannopt represent chage to ...
1712[15:42:40] <hpfmn> what does that mean and how do I fix that?
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1716[15:43:42] <greycat> What package, what is the *full* error message, and would it be simpler just to build regular upstream into /opt or /usr/local instead of trying to package it?
1717[15:43:50] <jelly> !paste
1718[15:43:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1721[15:44:04] <jelly> hpfmn: did you use uupdate or what
1722[15:44:08] <hpfmn> greycat: openafs
1723[15:44:15] <jelly> ,v openafs
1724[15:44:16] <judd> No package named 'openafs' was found in amd64.
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1726[15:44:21] <greycat> N: Unable to locate package openafs
1727[15:44:21] <greycat> E: No packages found
1728[15:44:35] <jelly> ,v openafs-modules-dkms
1729[15:44:37] <judd> Package: openafs-modules-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.1-3+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 1.6.1-3+deb7u8; wheezy-backports: 1.6.9-2+deb8u4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.9-2+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.9-2+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.9-2+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 1.6.18.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.20-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.6.20-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.6.20-2+deb9u1; buster:
1730[15:44:38] <judd> 1.8.0~pre4-1; sid: 1.8.0~pre5-1
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1732[15:45:12] <hpfmn> I try to build version 1.6.22.2 which should be compatible with more recent kernel versions
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1734[15:45:34] <jelly> hpfmn: which packaged version did you start from, stretch 1.6.20-2+deb9u1?
1735[15:45:37] <greycat> It's a kernel modules? /me steps back
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1737[15:45:50] <hpfmn> there was a discussion in august 2017 but it seems the maintner is not able to keep up the work
1738[15:45:55] <jelly> it's client and server and kernel-side and fuse and stuff.
1739[15:46:05] <jelly> like nfs
1740[15:46:11] <jelly> or whatnot
1741[15:46:16] <greycat> Would it be easier just to upgrade the *entire system* to buster than try to backport this monstrosity?
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1744[15:47:09] <hpfmn> greycat: I guess not because that would change a lot of other things beside being unstable
1745[15:47:09] <jelly> hpfmn: stupid question, you might not have proposed-updates repo enabled. Did you try that version to see if it fixes some issues?
1746[15:47:13] <jhutchins_wk> !uupdate
1747[15:47:13] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
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1749[15:47:59] <jelly> hpfmn: also, which debian release and which kernel are you targetting
1750[15:48:12] <jelly> s/tt/t/
1751[15:48:18] <hpfmn> jelly: stretch and 4.14
1752[15:48:38] <hpfmn> have a coffe lake machine here and to get the video working I need at least 4.13 and 4.14 is in strech-backports
1753[15:49:02] <hpfmn> *stretch
1754[15:49:06] <jelly> okay, still same question
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1756[15:49:40] <hpfmn> jelly: is there a way to see what is in the proposed updates?
1757[15:49:45] <greycat> stretch-security and stretch-proposed-updates both show the same there
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1759[15:50:11] <jelly> hpfmn: tracker.debian.org, or "aptitude changelog openafs-modules-dkms=1.6.20-2+deb9u1"
1760[15:50:17] <jelly> oh
1761[15:50:31] <hpfmn> this is the discussion I was referring to: replaced-url
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1763[15:50:39] <jelly> then you've probably tried it and it didn't work
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1766[15:51:19] <jelly> hpfmn: that's not much of a discussion :-)
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1770[15:51:53] <hpfmn> jelly: yeah okay - but it seems that at some point the mainter was interesseted to update the package
1771[15:52:00] <hpfmn> I mean without any patches it just builds fine
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1774[15:52:31] <hpfmn> I just don't really understand what dpkg-source compares what files to?
1775[15:52:52] <hpfmn> does it try to find out the difference between current version and my build version or what?
1776[15:53:01] <jelly> I don't understand why you won't pastebin the whole output
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1779[15:53:41] <jelly> and preferably precisely how you created the source tree
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1781[15:54:19] <hpfmn> jelly: if it does any help ;) replaced-url
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1783[15:54:53] <hpfmn> to get to this stage I already removed debian/patches and comment out some stuff about man pages and documentation in debian/rules
1784[15:55:10] <hpfmn> (don't care so much about manpages and documentation at this point ;))
1785[15:55:32] <dirc1> i have a tuxedo infinity book pro 13 installed from netinstall iso. I find the laptop temporature is a bit high, sometimes it goes above 75 Celsius. Any package that like thinkpad's that can cool down the temperature?
1786[15:55:32] <jelly> which debian.tar.xz version did you use as a starting point?
1787[15:55:41] <dirc1> i don't have the laptop at hand right now.
1788[15:55:55] <hpfmn> jelly: openafs_1.6.20-2+deb9u1.debian.tar.xz
1789[15:56:15] <jelly> good
1790[15:57:01] <jelly> hpfmn: aparently dpkg-source complains some files from the source tarball have changed, not just the newly built ones
1791[15:57:15] <jelly> dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to src/venus/cacheout: binary file contents changed
1792[15:57:15] <jelly> dpkg-source: error: add src/venus/cacheout in debian/source/include-binaries if you want to store the modified binary in the debian tarball
1793[15:57:18] <Echo6> Does anyone here know what Wolfram is / does / is used for?
1794[15:58:01] <jelly> hpfmn: if you don't care about source package, you might try adding -b to debuild call
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1796[15:58:13] <hpfmn> ok
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1810[16:06:20] <ghxst> bind9 does not have permission to write to `/var/log/query.log` can I use chgrp to give it access to that file ?
1811[16:06:39] <greycat> Is that a file you created yourself? It doesn't sound normal.
1812[16:06:47] <ghxst> yeah
1813[16:07:00] <ghxst> I want bind9 to log the dns requests there
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1815[16:07:06] <greycat> Then yes, you are responsible for figuring out the correct owner, group and permissions for it.
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1817[16:07:23] <ghxst> so I can do chgrp -R bind query.log ?
1818[16:07:31] <greycat> you don't need recursion for one file
1819[16:07:41] <ghxst> oh yeah my bad
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1821[16:08:17] <greycat> If the process that's trying to write to the file runs with effective group ID bind, then sure, chgrp bind; chmod 664 (or 660) might work.
1822[16:08:21] <jelly> ghxst: doesn't bind9 log via syslog?
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1824[16:08:47] <ghxst> jelly: I am following the official documentation for setting up logging the dns requests (level 3)
1825[16:08:58] <ghxst> it could be that it logs all things to syslog tho
1826[16:09:15] <greycat> Well, how did you configure it to write to this file?
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1828[16:09:49] <ghxst> by setting the logging
1829[16:09:53] <greycat> HOW?
1830[16:09:54] <ghxst> in named.conf.local
1831[16:10:01] <ghxst> the only way you can in bind9
1832[16:10:24] <greycat> You placed the full pathname directly into the named.conf.local file? You didn't do a syslog.conf indirection layer?
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1834[16:11:11] <ghxst> replaced-url
1835[16:11:31] <greycat> 10:06 ghxst> bind9 does not have permission to write to `/var/log/query.log`
1836[16:11:33] <greycat> 3 file "/var/lib/bind/query.log";
1837[16:11:44] <ghxst> oh wow I am an idiot
1838[16:12:22] <ghxst> nice catch, thank you
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1844[16:15:48] <ghxst> still getting a permission denied :/
1845[16:15:51] <ghxst> isc_stdio_open '/var/lib/bind/query.log' failed: permission denied
1846[16:16:08] <greycat> you'll need to know the effective UID and/or GID that the writing process runs with
1847[16:16:19] <greycat> and you'll also need to verify that it's not running inside a chroot
1848[16:16:33] <ghxst> ok so that might be why I need apparmor ?
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1850[16:16:59] <greycat> I have no idea what that is except that I remember people in buster complaining about it.
1851[16:17:43] <jelly> it's running as bind:bind by default
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1858[16:21:39] <jimbzy> Could you kind folks point me towards a guide on repairing broken packages?
1859[16:22:07] <alkisg> What does that mean in this case? Unsatisfied dependencies?
1860[16:22:16] <alkisg> Better paste the command and the output...
1861[16:22:28] <jimbzy> One sec
1862[16:22:33] <alkisg> !paste
1863[16:22:33] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1864[16:23:00] <jimbzy> Yeah I know
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1866[16:23:44] <jimbzy> replaced-url
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1869[16:25:06] <alkisg> And did you try the recommendation, apt --fix-broken install? Also, which debian version is this?
1870[16:25:15] <jelly> !bat
1871[16:25:15] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1872[16:25:17] <jelly> jimbzy: ^^
1873[16:25:19] <jimbzy> Yes
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1875[16:29:20] <jimbzy> Sorry about that. Got ten things going at once and I'll get that info in just a bit. I'm using 9.0 and yes, I did try --fix-broken install.
1876[16:29:54] <jimbzy> I also tried dpkg --configure -a
1877[16:31:26] <lupulo> jimbzy, delete the broken package.
1878[16:31:34] <lupulo> with dpkg
1879[16:31:40] <lupulo> apt-get -f install
1880[16:31:44] <lupulo> after
1881[16:32:12] <dob1> ,mutt
1882[16:32:32] <greycat> dob1: did you want ,v mutt ?
1883[16:32:38] <dob1> ,v mutt
1884[16:32:39] <judd> Package: mutt on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; jessie: 1.5.23-3; stretch: 1.7.2-1; buster: 1.9.3-1; sid: 1.9.3-1
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1886[16:33:52] <dob1> it's not gonna be replace by neomutt, right?
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1888[16:34:01] <dob1> *replaced
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1890[16:34:10] <greycat> the one in stretch is actually neomutt
1891[16:34:39] <greycat> not sure about buster/sid but I would imagine it still is (?)
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1900[16:40:36] <lupulo> jimbzy, replaced-url
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1903[16:42:27] <dob1> ,v neomutt
1904[16:42:29] <judd> Package: neomutt on amd64 -- buster: 20171215+dfsg.1-1; sid: 20171215+dfsg.1-1
1905[16:42:48] <dob1> are you sure greycat that the one in stretch is neomutt?
1906[16:43:02] <greycat> Yes. It says NeoMutt: ./Maildir/ ... in my status bar right now.
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1909[16:44:19] <jelly> but is vim also neovim?
1910[16:44:40] <dob1> there is a neovim too???
1911[16:44:53] <dob1> I would like a neomc :)
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1913[16:45:05] <greycat> I don't know much about buster at this point. You could ask #debian-next (on the other network).
1914[16:45:44] <jelly> !start a neowar
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1938[17:08:12] <hexhaxtron> If I got many processes like 'bash f.sh' how can I kill them all?
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1941[17:10:13] <greycat> Why do you have so many?
1942[17:10:30] <greycat> If something else is generating them in bulk, then simply killing the *current* crop won't help you much.
1943[17:10:31] <hexhaxtron> greycat: someone is bomb forking my system.
1944[17:10:36] <jimbzy> Ah I found the problem.
1945[17:10:53] <lupulo> hexhaxtron, pstree -s
1946[17:10:56] <greycat> Find this f.sh file and overwrite it with "exit 0" or something.
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1948[17:11:08] <greycat> THEN pkill whatever.
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1950[17:11:16] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I know it's location.
1951[17:11:19] <hexhaxtron> I'll try.
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1953[17:11:54] <jimbzy> I forgot I had MySQL's apt repository enabled.
1954[17:12:09] * jimbzy slaps forehead
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1958[17:16:30] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I ran ps axfww &> ps and then it prints tons of '32703 ? R 0:00 bash f.sh'
1959[17:17:05] <jelly> hexhaxtron: whose process is that
1960[17:17:09] <greycat> does "man pkill" help you?
1961[17:17:15] <jelly> hexhaxtron: ps -fu 32703
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1963[17:17:21] <greycat> or yeah, killing all by UID may be a way
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1966[17:17:44] <jelly> pkill is also used for killing by uid.
1967[17:17:52] <greycat> *nod*
1968[17:17:57] <hexhaxtron> jelly: but the PIDs are always different.
1969[17:18:09] <hexhaxtron> And it shows ? instead of the username.
1970[17:18:10] <greycat> that's why you need to find a way to get them all
1971[17:18:14] <jelly> hexhaxtron: you'll have to be fast then :-)
1972[17:18:16] <greycat> no it doesn't
1973[17:18:37] <greycat> that column is TTY
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1975[17:18:48] <greycat> the ps command you ran does not show the user ID
1976[17:18:51] <hexhaxtron> Oh...
1977[17:19:19] <hexhaxtron> greycat: can you give me another ps command? Something that displays the bash f.sh and the username?
1978[17:19:23] <greycat> you're using the BSD options so add "u"
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1980[17:21:04] <jelly> (killing is not the first thing I'd do after figuring out the uid; locking the user out _before_ that is preferable to avoid race conditions)
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1982[17:21:30] <jelly> and ps/pkill is inherently racy anyway so it might have to be done a couple times
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1984[17:22:16] <greycat> the important part was shutting down the f.sh file so it can't spawn any more
1985[17:22:42] <greycat> the existing ones can be cleaned up, even rebooting if it comes to that
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1991[17:25:16] <jelly> but you can't trust argv0 in these situations, both "bash" and "bash f.sh" might be a lie
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1993[17:25:24] <jelly> not likely tho
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1995[17:25:58] <greycat> If the two steps of overwriting f.sh and killing the current crop of bash f.sh processes aren't sufficient then we can consider the next steps.
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1997[17:26:14] <jelly> overwriting? chmod 0 && chown root:
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1999[17:26:28] <jelly> is what I do
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2001[17:26:41] <greycat> that's another way, yes.
2002[17:26:53] <jelly> more than one way to skin that cat
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2004[17:27:49] <jelly> if it's really bash, truncating will make all the instance stop I guess?
2005[17:28:01] <jelly> instances*
2006[17:28:03] <jimbzy> Yep. That fixed my problem and I learned my lesson. Never install the software your instructor tells you to because chances are you'll never frickin' use it in class.
2007[17:28:13] <jimbzy> ;)
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2009[17:28:19] <greycat> jelly: only if they finish their current command and then try to read another from the file.
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2011[17:28:36] <jelly> :()
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2013[17:28:48] <greycat> if they have already read the entire file into memory (e.g. the file is one giant function definition followed by calling that function) then they will never hit the file again
2014[17:29:08] <jelly> in which case overwriting is useless
2015[17:29:22] <greycat> it prevents any more "bash f.sh" child processes from doing anything
2016[17:29:29] <greycat> same as chmod 0 does
2017[17:29:37] <jelly> right
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2033[17:39:53] <NetTerminalGene> activities animation is laggy here with intel integrated gpu in gnome. is it laggy to you too?
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2052[17:55:26] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: which intel gpu (which cpu)?
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2055[17:56:09] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, i5 7400 gpu
2056[17:56:14] <jelly> if it's older than ivybridge or so, don't expect too much
2057[17:56:22] <NetTerminalGene> i think it is called 830 or somthing
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2060[17:56:44] <jelly> that's kaby lake, reasonably fresh and powerful
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2062[17:56:56] <NetTerminalGene> i mean, not too much laggy but it lags time to time
2063[17:57:28] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: pastebin the output of "glxinfo"
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2066[17:57:36] <jelly> !paste
2067[17:57:36] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2069[18:00:11] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, replaced-url
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2076[18:02:48] <ompaul> why does glxinfo post numbers base 10 not hex?
2077[18:02:49] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, ?
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2091[18:09:07] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: looks fine
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2163[18:58:15] <erasmus> when you dd a drive and copy over all the data. Should you be able to see the data sizes changing on the destination drive?
2164[18:58:31] <erasmus> these are large disks and I started this last night.
2165[18:58:44] <erasmus> I did a df -h and it shows that nothing is there yet.
2166[18:58:44] <greycat> what "data sizes"?
2167[18:58:51] <erasmus> 4TB
2168[18:59:05] <greycat> Are you dd-ing a partition, or a whole disk, or a single file, or what?
2169[18:59:12] <erasmus> does the command need to finish for it to show the correct size of the data?
2170[18:59:12] <erasmus> the whole disk
2171[18:59:27] <greycat> Then you can't have it MOUNTED, so df -h is useless.
2172[18:59:37] <erasmus> ahh
2173[18:59:54] <erasmus> so is there a way to see if the data is being copied?
2174[19:00:03] <erasmus> iostat or something?
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2176[19:00:19] <erasmus> I would just like to know if this is working since it's been over 13 hours.
2177[19:00:40] <erasmus> also I'm not doing this sata to sata it's to an external firewire drive.
2178[19:00:47] <erasmus> which I think might be 400 and not 800.
2179[19:01:11] <greycat> If you had the thing mounted read-write at any point during the copy, you've probably corrupted it.
2180[19:01:29] <erasmus> anyhow I'm just getting myself to the point where I'm regretting not just opening the computer and taking the external drive and removing it and putting it directly in the system which would only take about an hour.
2181[19:01:59] <erasmus> when I type mount I see both drives.
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2183[19:02:06] <greycat> that's not good.
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2185[19:02:09] <greycat> not good at all.
2186[19:02:10] <erasmus> and I did click on the drive to test it.
2187[19:02:13] <erasmus> ok shit
2188[19:02:15] <erasmus> thanks.
2189[19:02:17] <erasmus> I'll stop it then
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2200[19:05:55] <greycat> dd of raw disks or partitions has to be done when they are NOT mounted, or when they are at most mounted read-only. Otherwise, writes will be done by the kernel to the device(s) and you'll get a corrupted transfer.
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2202[19:06:20] <LanDi> so, I did write a debian-mate iso to my usb stick, but I can not get into the live workspace, it boots, but I can not go ahead from the grub menu
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2208[19:08:57] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2212[19:10:03] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, why chntpw is not supposed to change passwords in the debian version? In the man page it's written: "Password changing is only possible if the program has been specifically compiled with some cryptographic functions. [...] In the Debian distribution this feature is not enabled."
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2214[19:10:37] <tobiasBora> For me the only use of this tool is to change passwords, so I don't understand the point. It it for license problems?
2215[19:12:20] <greycat> Right before that, it says "This feature, however, only works properly in Windows NT and Windows 2000 systems. It might not work properly in Windows XP, Vista, Win7, Win8 and later systems."
2216[19:12:29] <greycat> from replaced-url
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2218[19:13:33] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes indeed, but I'm not sure to see the link
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2221[19:15:00] <greycat> Maybe they got sick of people saying it didn't work on any Windows systems they actually have?
2222[19:15:06] <greycat> Maybe the man page is wrong? I have no idea.
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2227[19:15:52] <tobiasBora> greycat: well then why debian packaged it? It's strange...
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2229[19:16:11] <tobiasBora> By the way do you know if there is a more recent program that claims to work on later windows?
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2246[19:34:00] <SpeakerToMeat> Should we still use /etc/network/interfaces in stretch? systemd and /etc/systemd/network notwhitstanding?
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2249[19:34:47] <greycat> You may use whichever one you prefer. I still use /e/n/i.
2250[19:35:05] <greycat> Some people use Network Manager.
2251[19:35:20] <greycat> There may be some who use systemd's builtin whatsits.
2252[19:35:47] * SpeakerToMeat finished losing his mind, tears off his shirt and runs to the hills screaming about giant snakes
2253[19:35:51] <SpeakerToMeat> greycat: Thank you
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2255[19:37:19] <SpeakerToMeat> If I use /e/n/i is it insane to add a static (net) route via "route" in post-up ?
2256[19:37:26] <SpeakerToMeat> for a dhcp if
2257[19:37:52] <greycat> On a DHCP interface, it seems kinda odd. To me.
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2260[19:38:11] <SpeakerToMeat> It is, but it's temporary, and I've not been able to make option 121 work
2261[19:38:28] <SpeakerToMeat> And can't waste time on this
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2265[19:40:18] <SpeakerToMeat> At leats it's temporary.
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2267[19:41:12] <SpeakerToMeat> greycat: Any special reason you choose /e/n/i over systemd? tradition/knowledge?
2268[19:41:18] <Sir_Designer> Joan Chandos Baez Her father, Albert Baez (1912–2007), was born in Puebla, Mexico[11] and grew up in Brooklyn, New York, where his father preached to—and advocated for—a Spanish-speaking congregation.
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2270[19:41:50] <greycat> There is absolutely no way in hell I am going to let systemd handle anything other than the bare minimum set of things it is SUPPOSED to handle.
2271[19:41:58] <SpeakerToMeat> :D ok
2272[19:42:58] <greycat> no systemd-networking, no systemd-timesync, no systemd-cron, no systemd-coffeemaker, ...
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2276[19:44:21] <giaco> hello
2277[19:45:25] <giaco> Why my 'adduser <user> <group>' runs ok but then 'groups' returns a different list of groups?
2278[19:45:51] <greycat> You have to log out and back in to get your new credentials in a shell.
2279[19:46:14] <greycat> Already-running processes are not upgraded. They cannot be.
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2282[19:48:23] <giaco> greycat: right, thank you. I've started using tmux an I still struggle in understanding how it works process wise
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2286[19:52:19] <greycat> If you're super-fond of a particular window, you can just run "exec su - yourname" in that window to get a new login shell there. It won't affect your other processes though.
2287[19:52:40] <jimm> hi... I have this asus laptop, which right now is having an issue autospawning pulseaudio... I wonder if I don't have all of it installed? earlier discovered didn't have pavucontrol
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2289[19:52:55] <jimm> so I installed that
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2292[19:56:43] <jimm> I'm going to try apt purge pulseaudio ; apt autoremove ; apt install pulseaudio and see if that fixes it
2293[19:57:17] <alkisg> Eh, do check which packages will be removed from that :)
2294[19:57:52] <jimm> it will tell me, will it not?
2295[19:57:56] <alkisg> Sure
2296[19:58:02] <alkisg> Just don't press yes before you read them :D
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2298[19:58:21] <jimm> ok good ;)
2299[19:58:32] <jimm> right
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2301[20:00:12] <jimm> it wants to take gnome, gnome-core and kde-full :P
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2317[20:10:17] <otyugh> heya. Anyone here know if there is a way to "auto-execute" a task say, juste after suspension ?
2318[20:10:34] <otyugh> In my case it's because tor service have to get restarted everytime
2319[20:11:36] <dob1> not an answer the answer to your question but you can check it periodically and start if it is not running
2320[20:11:54] <otyugh> dob1, it is running
2321[20:12:00] <otyugh> just get stuck after suspension
2322[20:12:43] <dob1> does suspensions reset uptime?
2323[20:13:04] <wabbits> possibly the tcp socket is gone from under tor
2324[20:13:05] <otyugh> does not
2325[20:13:18] <otyugh> might be
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2328[20:13:39] <otyugh> "systemctl restart tor" fixes it, all I know >.>
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2330[20:15:20] <dob1> maybe you can check with a script if there are some connections by tor if not, restart it
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2334[20:17:53] <Chakka____> isnt there an @reboot in cron - we should add a feature request for an @WAKEFROMSLEEP
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2337[20:18:39] <Chakka____> Ive got the latest 4.14 Linux Kernel from backportz on Debian 9 - does anyone know if mounting encrypted SMB3 shares is supported?
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2343[20:23:49] <abrotman> otyugh: after suspension? or after resuming?
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2351[20:30:23] <transhuman> hi is there a way to limit the amount of memory that libreoffice or open office uses (force it to use swap after a certain point), it has terrible memory leaks
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2353[20:31:02] <transhuman> same question about processor usage
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2360[20:37:49] <rant> so I have a IBM Thinkpad running Strech w/ lightdm/MATE and its configured to do nothing when the lid closes in the mate settings, which it does.. nothing.. heh. However if I switch to a console like tty1 and close the lid it goes to sleep. Is this something in debian or is this the ACPI in the laptop doing this?
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2365[20:45:26] <jimm> hi... after purging pulseaudio, autoremove, and installing pulseaudio again, it doesn't autospawn when I log in, and doesn't spawn when I run pavucontrol, however it does run when I run it from the terminal, and then pavucontrol will connect to it and run normally. How can I get it to spawn when I log into sddm?
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2367[20:48:15] <jimm> also how can I find the problem, and answer the question of why it doesn't spawn?
2368[20:48:26] <jhutchins_wk> jimm: Did you enable the service?
2369[20:48:48] <jimm> I dunno :) what's the service called?
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2372[20:49:33] <jhutchins_wk> systemctl --system enable pulseaudio.service
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2374[20:50:09] <jimm> ok, how can I see if it is enabled before I do that?
2375[20:50:10] <jhutchins_wk> jimm: It's not clear whether the current package includes the service file. replaced-url
2376[20:50:40] <jhutchins_wk> jimm: status instead of enabled - but if it's not starting it's not enabled.
2377[20:50:56] <jimm> ok, sec
2378[20:50:57] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, which debian release do you see pulseaudio.service on
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2380[20:51:36] <jelly> if it exists, it's a per-user service not a system one
2381[20:51:44] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: That's why I say it's not clear if it's installed/included.
2382[20:52:10] <jimm> jim@asuslap:~$ systemctl status pulseaudio.service
2383[20:52:10] <jimm> Unit pulseaudio.service could not be found.
2384[20:53:09] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, it's very clear it's not there.
2385[20:53:17] <jhutchins_wk> jimm: I will defer to jelly, he knows more about pulse on Debian. My experience with it has been removing it because it broke things.
2386[20:53:36] <jimm> ok
2387[20:53:53] <jelly> I mean, don't offer advice if you have no idea whether it applies to, you know, #debian
2388[20:54:13] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: I did offer the link to create a system-wide file.
2389[20:54:35] <jelly> and that works on debian and is a good idea?
2390[20:54:39] <wabbits> system-wide is not recommended
2391[20:55:05] <jimm> pulseaudio.service is not on my desktop either, and the desktop is working fine
2392[20:55:35] <jelly> right. I have one stretch kde installation where it works automatically, and one where it doesn't.
2393[20:55:53] <dondelelcaro> jelly: IIRC, it should be socket activated?
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2395[20:56:07] <jimm> jelly, do you know why?
2396[20:56:15] <jimm> wabbits, hi
2397[20:56:21] <wabbits> hello
2398[20:56:30] <jelly> if I knew I'd probably be able to fix it :-)
2399[20:56:54] <jimm> heh :) didn't know you couldnt
2400[20:57:03] <wabbits> to test auto-spawn run `pavucontrol` as the "desktop" user
2401[20:57:17] <dondelelcaro> jelly: systemctl status --user pulseaudio; should give you more information about what's going on
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2403[20:57:29] <jelly> (it's listed in session autostart. Session, however, doesn't autostart about half the things there on the broken system)
2404[20:57:30] <jimm> did that, it continues to wait
2405[20:57:40] <dondelelcaro> (basically, there should be a pulseaudio.service and a pulseaudio.socket which is starting properly)
2406[20:58:04] <jimm> per user?
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2409[20:58:22] <dondelelcaro> yeah, it should be per-user
2410[20:58:34] <wabbits> there are three ways for pulseaudio to start. 1. from systemd 2. spawned by client 3. explicitly launched
2411[20:58:34] <dondelelcaro> unless you're trying to do somethign complicated
2412[20:58:47] <jelly> per-user or per-session?
2413[20:59:07] <dondelelcaro> jelly: pretty sure it's per-user
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2415[20:59:35] <wabbits> explicity launched is working
2416[20:59:38] <jelly> looking at output from my current ssh connection (not at either working or non-working machine console), I suspect the latter
2417[20:59:43] <wabbits> the other two are not
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2419[21:00:00] <dondelelcaro> at least, that's my understand; you shouldn't get two running per session
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2423[21:00:22] <wabbits> not sure if anyone is listening to me
2424[21:00:25] <dondelelcaro> err, two running as the same user.
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2426[21:00:55] <dondelelcaro> if you're running systemd, 2 and 3 should never happen
2427[21:01:08] <dondelelcaro> well, should never be necessary, anyway
2428[21:01:19] <jimm> I don't think debian has a systemd service for pulse
2429[21:01:29] <dondelelcaro> jimm: we do
2430[21:01:35] <wabbits> option 3 is for trouble shooting
2431[21:01:46] <wabbits> option 2 is handy for troubleshooting as well
2432[21:01:56] <jimm> hmm, in stretch?
2433[21:01:59] <wabbits> set autospawn to no and kill pulseaudio to test with pure alsa
2434[21:02:01] <jelly> this is the system where it works, connected via ssh and not the X session: replaced-url
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2436[21:03:32] <dondelelcaro> jimm: we ship them both even in stretch, though it looks like they might not be enabled
2437[21:03:55] <jimm> jelly, any idea which package installs the services?
2438[21:04:14] <dondelelcaro> jimm: they're in the pulseaudio package, in /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio*
2439[21:04:49] <otyugh> abrotman, resuming.
2440[21:05:21] <jelly> I _think_ something in kde session starts the process on its own for me on kde (ok, on "Plasma 5")
2441[21:05:45] <jimm> dondelelcaro, those are present
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2446[21:08:13] <dondelelcaro> jimm: yeah, so likely they are just disabled, which is apparently the default for stretch for some reason
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2448[21:08:26] <dondelelcaro> probably because it wasn't fully tested at the time of the last release
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2451[21:09:41] <jimm> ok, but I too have a stretch machine it works on, and one where it doesn't (the laptop)
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2453[21:10:27] <jimm> so what you're telling me is "it works sometimes"?
2454[21:10:44] <dondelelcaro> anyway, I bet if you run systemctl --user enable pulseuadio; systemctl --user start pulseaudio; it should work everywhere.
2455[21:11:03] <dondelelcaro> (you might need to kill of pulseaudio first to get the start to complete properly)
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2457[21:11:11] <jimm> ok let me try that
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2460[21:14:39] <jimm> jim@asuslap:~$ systemctl --user enable pulseuadio
2461[21:14:39] <jimm> Failed to enable unit: File pulseuadio.service: No such file or directory (are 2 line pastes bad?)
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2464[21:17:17] <jelly> jimm, did you purge and reinstall pulseaudio package during this login session?
2465[21:18:04] <jimm> no, I rebooted after doing all that
2466[21:18:23] <jelly> then systemd ought to know about those definitions
2467[21:18:43] <jelly> however. pulseuadio.service:
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2469[21:19:06] <jimm> let me make sure of something
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2472[21:19:26] <jelly> there's a typo.
2473[21:19:53] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok stupid question. I want to mount nfs via systemd, so I'm making a .mount in system, but, my nfs mount will happen over openvpn. and I'm usign openvpn template, so, in the mount unit, should I put After=openvpn.service or After=openvpn@myvpn.service ?
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2475[21:20:31] <evilman_work> SpeakerToMeat: second variant.
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2477[21:20:59] <SpeakerToMeat> evilman_work: Thanks
2478[21:21:03] <SpeakerToMeat> Makes sense
2479[21:21:15] <jimm> you see this typo?
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2481[21:21:39] <jelly> jimm, pulse u a dio
2482[21:21:40] <SpeakerToMeat> Aaaand if the openvpn@myvpn.service unit fails to start, the mount unit will not keep trying stupidly since its requirements are never me,t right?
2483[21:22:14] <jimm> right
2484[21:22:15] <SpeakerToMeat> You know, I really kind of like systemd
2485[21:22:21] <jimm> thanks
2486[21:22:32] <SpeakerToMeat> It's like the Gentoo of inits
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2488[21:22:42] <wabbits> :D\
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2490[21:24:11] <greycat> I'm not even remotely clear how to interpret that.
2491[21:24:51] <BCMM> well, gentoo is an operating system, and so is systemd
2492[21:24:55] <BCMM> and that's about as far as i got
2493[21:27:01] <jimm> ok, sustemctl shows it running, pavucontrol connects
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2495[21:28:11] <jimm> would it be any clearer if it were the debian of inits?
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2500[21:30:20] <jimm> let me reboot this thing again
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2507[21:36:18] <maferv> Hello guys, I have this old laptop, P-III, 256 megs of ram. I will use it for open/libreoffice, dillo/opera, youtube-dl+mplayer-480p. What release should I use? etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy? I noticed that programs use increasingly more ram as they get newer. Has anybody tried each release + some specific programs to check ram usage?
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2509[21:37:25] <greycat> The web browser will be the main concern, and since web browsers are only secure when you run the newest version, you are basically forced to run the newest version.
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2511[21:38:07] * beardy agrees.
2512[21:38:24] <BCMM> also, web pages use more and ram, whatever browser you use
2513[21:38:32] <jelly> maferv, squeeze maybe, and modern opera won't work
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2515[21:39:15] <BCMM> it's stupid, but a p-iii 256meg ram will be uncomfortable for web browsing however you do it
2516[21:39:16] <beardy> And, generally I would always recommend current stable. Try with a very minimal X environment. No "desktop environments". Just a window manager in the style you prefer.
2517[21:39:46] <alkisg> I have a wheezy installation that I use with 128 MB RAM clients; I start it in single mode and then su + startx, to stop many services from booting. Iceweasel loads too.
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2519[21:39:51] <jimm> ok.... this whole time, the user service was disabled
2520[21:40:07] <alkisg> With openbox and an xterm, it needs 25 MB RAM. The rest go to apps.
2521[21:40:09] <jelly> P3 does not have a lot of cache and each successive generation of gcc, glibc, X widgets eats more and more RAM for a basic working set
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2523[21:40:14] <jimm> jelly, thanks for the sharp eyes finding the typo
2524[21:40:18] <greycat> alkisg: I would just let it boot normally, and let the unused daemons (there shouldn't BE that many) get swapped out
2525[21:40:33] <greycat> alkisg: if there's a service that NEVER gets used, just remove the package
2526[21:40:34] <alkisg> That needs 80 MB instead of 25.
2527[21:41:00] <alkisg> Counted after echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
2528[21:41:08] <jelly> alkisg, and you probably can't do patching while X is running :-)
2529[21:41:32] <jelly> apt and dpkg don't work well below like 128MB _free_
2530[21:41:36] <bodqhrohro> How do I list the packages that are available ONLY from certain repository?
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2533[21:42:22] * beardy ran apt-get/dpkg on a 486 with 8MB of RAM. It took a day of swapping each time..
2534[21:42:37] <beardy> ..on Woody.
2535[21:42:39] <alkisg> replaced-url
2536[21:42:39] <somiaj> bodqhrohro: aptitude search I belive can do this. replaced-url
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2540[21:45:45] <BCMM> somiaj: aptitude can filter by *section*, but i'm not seeing how to filter by *repo* on that page
2541[21:46:25] <BCMM> bodqhrohro: of course, in some but not all circumstances, filtering by section can achieve the same thing
2542[21:46:42] <somiaj> BCMM: might not be repo directly, but there is ?origin, replaced-url
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2544[21:47:09] <maferv> I'm not sure yet, I tried Stretch on a different P-III laptop and it's slow, and X is not as easy to configure as, say, wheezy (old trident video card).
2545[21:47:20] <maferv> I recently installed debian sarge on celeron 400 mhz, 64 MB of ram. Compiled python 2.6 and got youtube-dl + mplayer working at 360p
2546[21:47:41] <BCMM> somiaj: ah, i'm not familiar with the concept of "origin"
2547[21:47:46] <greycat> maferv: oh god, if it has legacy video chipsets, don't try stretch
2548[21:48:03] <BCMM> somiaj: is that essentially an arbitrary string that repository maintainers can set?
2549[21:48:08] <apollo13> alkisg: while it is impressive that debian boots with that little memory I'd hardly call that useable :)
2550[21:48:18] <greycat> the last couple releases have pretty consistently chipped away at old video chipset support
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2552[21:48:57] <apollo13> even with a single page open firefox is well beyond those 50mb
2553[21:49:06] <maferv> yes greycat, that's why I didn't even mention it, and also because it requires a whole lot more of ram than say, etch, which works with only 64 mb. X + icewm
2554[21:49:20] <greycat> and 64 MB of ram is officially unsupported past... wheezy, I think
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2558[21:52:14] <BCMM> somiaj: hmm, '!?origin(debian)' is nearly useless due to apparently returning every metapackage on the system...
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2560[21:53:07] <maferv> alkisg, do you do web browsing in those wheezy 128 mb installations?
2561[21:53:27] <rafalcpp> ಠ_ಠ <-- how to get this to render on Debian?
2562[21:53:56] <apollo13> it rennders just fine?!
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2564[21:53:58] <alkisg> maferv: they can open data entry web pages, but of course not javascript or video intensive ones
2565[21:54:07] <BCMM> rafalcpp: the eyes are from the Kannada alphabet
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2568[21:54:24] <rafalcpp> BCMM: yeap. so what package provides that? U+0CA0
2569[21:54:26] <alkisg> apollo13: well it depends on what you do with it, e.g. tuxpaint runs fine
2570[21:54:29] <BCMM> rafalcpp: fonts-lohit-knda probably
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2572[21:55:25] <rafalcpp> BCMM: works :3
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2577[21:55:33] <apollo13> alkisg: you seem to have vastly different requirements than I do; the bare minimum for me nowadays is usually a webbrowser
2578[21:55:36] <rafalcpp> debian should install such critical fonts by default
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2580[21:56:03] <apollo13> I do not have fonts-lohit-knda installed and it renders just fine
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2582[21:56:17] <apollo13> I think the default debian font does indeed cover it
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2586[21:57:10] <rafalcpp> apollo13: well before I added above font, it was not rendered
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2588[21:57:53] <jelly> ,i fonts-symbola
2589[21:57:54] <judd> Package fonts-symbola (fonts, optional) in stretch/amd64: symbolic font providing emoji characters from Unicode 7.0. Version: 2.59-1; Size: 1186.3k; Installed: 2966k; Homepage: replaced-url
2590[21:58:19] <BCMM> apollo13: same - renders normally in Konversation. i don't know how to check which font it came from though.
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2592[21:58:49] <apollo13> right, hard to say, it might fallback to another etc…
2593[21:58:50] <BCMM> jelly: it's not an emoji. it's a miss-use of an indian alphabet
2594[21:59:07] <jelly> BCMM, symbola has quite a bit more than emoji.
2595[21:59:31] <apollo13> wasn't much of emojis in fonts-ancient at first?
2596[21:59:34] <BCMM> jelly: well, it's also not a "symbol" in the normal sense, but it's possible symbol fonts have included it just because of the meme
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2598[22:00:00] <jelly> BCMM, and it's quite a bit more than symbols.
2599[22:00:16] <BCMM> actually, is there a package that can search installed fonts for a specific symbol?
2600[22:00:34] <apollo13> yes but it is hard to tell what happens in browsers or other apps
2601[22:00:39] <jelly> let's just say I don't have fonts-lohit-knda installed yet I see the "eyes"
2602[22:01:28] <apollo13> ie the most annoying thing is that I have colored emojis mostly everyhwere but a few standard emojis are part of the debian default font and render graysclae
2603[22:01:30] <maferv> I don't plan to do home banking on this machine... just moderate web browsing such as blogs, wikipedia. I'll try wheezy and see how it goes
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2606[22:01:33] <apollo13> scale*
2607[22:01:41] <BCMM> apollo13: do you know what package i can use for that? looks like fontmatrix isn't in sid any more
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2610[22:02:06] <BCMM> maferv: there's a thousand good reason to pwn your computer that don't involve online banking
2611[22:02:06] <apollo13> BCMM: no idea, something in fontconfig, fc-query or whatever
2612[22:02:16] <BCMM> apollo13: thanks, i'll look in to that
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2614[22:02:22] <apollo13> font parsing is pure magic to me
2615[22:02:35] <maferv> tell me how BCMM
2616[22:02:40] <apollo13> see also replaced-url
2617[22:03:20] <apollo13> you will see how dejavu fucks things up if you open replaced-url
2618[22:03:36] <apollo13> that is what it looks for me replaced-url
2619[22:03:50] <BCMM> jelly: huh, symbola does indeed have surprisingly comprehensive east asian alphabet support
2620[22:03:55] <apollo13> you can clearly see the "basic" symbols dejavu provides
2621[22:04:14] <apollo13> (this is firefox, other browsers may behave differently)
2622[22:04:28] <SpeakerToMeat> Now I only need to achieve vt-less dm-less autologin/start x11
2623[22:05:28] <BCMM> maferv: how to what?
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2625[22:06:35] <maferv> <BCMM> maferv: there's a thousand good reason to pwn your computer that don't involve online banking
2626[22:06:55] <BCMM> do you mean how or why? because i don't think "how to pwn computers" is really ontopic here
2627[22:08:06] <maferv> what are the dangers of using an old web browser without javascript?
2628[22:08:21] <BCMM> maferv: browsers are full of parsers
2629[22:08:24] <BCMM> and parsers suck
2630[22:08:32] <BCMM> is the short version
2631[22:08:34] <somiaj> BCMM: the origin should match the repo, though I don't know why that isn't working. If you look at 'apt-cache policy' for the repos you should se a o=Debian (or something line) that is the origin.
2632[22:10:32] <somiaj> BCMM: but in testing, I agree, I seem to get lots of things I shouldn't with search !?origin(Debian)
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2634[22:11:27] <maferv> I will research on that BCMM
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2636[22:12:05] <BCMM> somiaj: so is it just a per-package flag set in the control file?
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2639[22:13:16] <somiaj> BCMM: I see it as a setting for the repo, not the package. The only thing I can find on origin is in apt-cache policy, for the origin of the repo. I do not see anything in the control file for packages about origin.
2640[22:13:19] <alkisg> apollo13, it's not a matter of requirements, lots of schools have thousands of such pcs, and they need to be able to get the students do something with them
2641[22:13:54] <BCMM> somiaj: i didn't think debian really kept track of where a package comes from, after its installed?
2642[22:14:04] <jelly> BCMM, once a package is installed there's no telling where it came from. It's all circumstantial.
2643[22:14:22] <BCMM> maferv: and as for why people would compromise a system even if it doesn't have creditcards numbers on it, some people just want a computer that can't be connected with them
2644[22:14:44] <greycat> For spamming IRC channels, as one example.
2645[22:14:55] <ph88> how do i go back to the gnome default alt-tab grouping ? it got messed up after installing/uninstalling AtlernateTab gnome extension
2646[22:14:57] <somiaj> BCMM: yea, one could only compare the version installed with the version available in the repos as an idea where they come from.
2647[22:15:01] <jelly> BCMM, some third party repos have helpful policies, like always putting "dmo" in the version number
2648[22:15:15] <BCMM> maferv: in the admittedly improbable worse case, that means somebody using your computer to store material that could get you in serious trouble
2649[22:15:20] <somiaj> but it seems like it is mostly moot, since aptitude search doesn't seem to do the best job searching on that field.
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2651[22:15:24] <jelly> but nithing mandated
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2659[22:19:56] <somiaj> hmm, wonder what the l= is in the output of apt policy, such as "v=9.3,o=Debian,a=stable,n=stretch,l=Debian,c=main,b=amd64", the others I think I know what they stand for.
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2663[22:23:00] <jelly> apt_preferences(5) says "Label"
2664[22:24:16] <jelly> ,kernels
2665[22:24:17] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2666[22:24:18] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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2668[22:24:55] <jelly> no ABI bump for jessie or wheezy-lts yet
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2717[23:07:32] <aarwine> does anyone know where the .deb files go on the debian:stretch container? After installing things /var/cache/apt/archives is empty, and find / -iname '*.deb' returns nothing also
2718[23:09:10] <dondelelcaro> aarwine: probably someone is running apt-get clean; right after installation
2719[23:09:48] <bitess> whats that? docker? lxd? maybe apt cache is disabled somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
2720[23:10:14] <aarwine> Is there a hook you can run scripts from for post install type stuff?
2721[23:10:24] <aarwine> bitess: docker; I'll look through apt.conf.d
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2723[23:10:28] <greycat> aarwine: apt-get leaves files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ by default; apt does not.
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2727[23:12:03] <aarwine> DPkg::Post-Invoke { "rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*.deb /var/cache/apt/*.bin || true"; };
2728[23:12:03] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, aarwine
2729[23:12:06] <aarwine> APT::Update::Post-Invoke { "rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*.deb /var/cache/apt/*.bin || true"; };
2730[23:12:11] <aarwine> thanks guys!
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2733[23:16:30] <mwarning> Hi, I want to submit a new package, but rna into problem. What is the best channel for this?
2734[23:18:13] <mwarning> I tried "dupload *_amd64.changes -to ftp://ftp.upload.debian.org/pub/UploadQueue/", but that was not successful.
2735[23:18:26] <mwarning> (replaced-url
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2739[23:27:30] <dondelelcaro> mwarning: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (OFTC) is the best place, but you can ask here
2740[23:27:44] <dondelelcaro> mwarning: if you're not a Debian Developer, you can't upload directly to the archive
2741[23:28:24] <dondelelcaro> mwarning: but that's OK, because you can get a Debian Developer to sponsor your upload through the mentors.debian.net process (or some other process)
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2744[23:30:52] <mwarning> hm, I have no idea how this sponsoring works. But I will try #debian-mentors after a round of mario cart
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2746[23:31:34] <dondelelcaro> mwarning: the basic idea is that a Debian Developer reviews your package, and then makes an upload to the debian archive.
2747[23:31:41] <dondelelcaro> mwarning: after signing it with their GPG key
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2753[23:35:50] <dob1> dondelelcaro, and then a debian developer can nominate another person as debian developer?
2754[23:36:07] <dondelelcaro> dob1: yes, but there's a whole process for that
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2757[23:37:11] <dondelelcaro> dob1: nomination/recommendation is just one of the parts of the process
2758[23:37:49] <dob1> several people will decide, something like this?
2759[23:38:20] <dob1> a group of debian developers decide if someone can become a debian developer?
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2762[23:41:29] <dondelelcaro> dob1: the basic gist is that a prospective DD will work with an application manager who makes sure they're up on the processes in Debian, and then the AM and other DDs recommend them to the front desk who approves their application
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2764[23:41:49] <dondelelcaro> dob1: so there's a subset of Debian Developers who help bring new people into Debian
2765[23:41:59] <Tenkawa> oh the days
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