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• 1[00:00:17] <vlt> jan_nabot: And synergy.
• 2[00:00:20] <abrotman> synergy ?
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• 8[00:03:08] <jan_nabot> All of mentioned solutions seem to have their own merit, going to check Synergy first. Thank you all!
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• 10[00:03:27] <tw> proprietary app, does windows/osx/x11 kbd/mouse sharing.
• 11[00:03:42] <tw> nm, appears to be gpl.
• 12[00:04:00] <tw> I've only used the precompiled version in windows.
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• 18[00:06:42] <rant> jan_nabot: synergy
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• 20[00:07:13] <rant> oh.. that was sai d already..
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• 80[01:24:50] <ska> can apt show new features/bugfixes for a package update?
• 81[01:25:20] <somiaj> look at apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges
• 82[01:27:58] <themill> er
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• 87[01:35:20] <ska> Those commands are not helpful.. I just cant figure out how to use them.
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• 89[01:36:04] <somiaj> ska: when you install them, they should setup hooks so when you upgrade/install packages, it will show you the change logs and any bug reports.
• 90[01:36:17] <somiaj> they can also be configured. I'm unsure how to run them on a package directly though.
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• 92[01:36:53] <somiaj> the manpaeg will probably expalin how to run it on a package directly
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• 96[01:38:04] <ska> man pages are quite uselss when they don't have examples.
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• 99[01:40:26] <themill> ska: these are not commands you would ever run yourself
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• 102[01:44:18] <ska> how do I find changes in kernel paackage: linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 ?
• 103[01:44:26] <iWaldo> is there any reason that VMware tools and vbox guest additions would fail to work in a minimal install but succeed if i choose to install, e.g., the MATE desktop?
• 104[01:44:54] <themill> ska: you can look at the changelog for the package; apt-listchanges can be configured to show it to you prior to installing it
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• 106[01:45:26] <ska> Ok.. this is frustrating..
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• 108[01:45:36] <themill> Why?
• 109[01:45:52] <themill> Have you installed apt-listchanges?
• 110[01:46:26] <ska> Yes, but its not configured. .I've allready installt the package.
• 111[01:46:35] <themill> dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
• 112[01:46:37] <somiaj> ska: check out /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.gz or changelog.Debian.gz or even NEWS files if you have the package installed.
• 113[01:46:38] <ska> I just want to see a simple changelog.
• 114[01:46:52] <themill> all package changelogs are in /usr/share/doc/$package
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• 116[01:46:54] <themill> what somiaj said
• 117[01:47:08] <pfred1> ska there's a website for debian packages
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• 119[01:47:24] <somiaj> ska: I thought you meant you wanted them listed when the package was upgraded, which is what apt-listchanges would do.
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• 124[01:49:26] <ska> somiaj: themill : thanks.. Just looking at files is easier.
• 125[01:49:55] <ska> But it doesn't seem to correlate changes to the package version.. it looks like all changes in the entire history.
• 126[01:50:08] <somiaj> ska: but it might be nice to look at the files before you install, hence other tools.
• 127[01:50:18] <pfred1> ska that's how changelogs work
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• 129[01:50:32] <pfred1> they log all teh changes
• 130[01:51:11] <ska> linux (4.9.82-1+deb9u2) stretch-security; urgency=high for example doesn't correlate to my package number.
• 131[01:51:41] <pfred1> you have to assume prior changes are in later versions
• 132[01:51:41] <ska> /usr/share/doc/linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 is the folder it lives in.
• 133[01:51:44] <somiaj> ska: package number? Are you talking about the abi version 4.9.0-6-amd64? You want to look at the package version.
• 134[01:53:15] <somiaj> ska: 4.9.82-1+deb9u2 is the version of that package.
• 135[01:54:30] <pfred1> woo the page loaded replaced-url
• 136[01:55:17] <ska> somiaj: ok.. I'll look closer.. Its a just a tad bit confusing.
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• 139[01:55:36] <pfred1> ska that's OS kernels for ya
• 140[01:56:00] <ska> I wish the package version matchd the deb version numbering scheme.
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• 142[01:56:32] <somiaj> ska: they are different things.
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• 145[01:57:25] <somiaj> ska: that is like saying I wish the package gnome had its version number in it. The abi version in the package name is to make kernels with abi changes different pacakges.
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• 364[06:34:08] <styles_> I'm having small random micro system freezes (1-2s at a time), how can I figure out what's causing it?
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• 367[06:35:18] <somiaj> styles_: check the output of free, are you using swap?
• 368[06:35:31] <styles_> yeah
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• 371[06:43:53] <somiaj> styles_: you are using your swap, maybe this is causing some io issues. It could also be other io issues that would cause things to pause while waiting for some other process to complete.
• 372[06:44:12] <styles_> How can I figure this out?
• 373[06:44:34] <styles_> I'm using barely any swap .. drive failing?
• 374[06:44:40] <teatime> iotop is very easy to read and shows disk IO, including swap IO
• 375[06:44:51] <somiaj> Though, I don't know enough figure out what io issues or scheduler issues could be cauing the problems
• 376[06:44:57] <teatime> you're presumably not thrashing swap at all given those #s
• 377[06:45:13] <somiaj> but that is my guess, some buss is getting slightly overloaded, and the machine ends up waiting for some process to finish before moving on. My limited experience is io can do this
• 378[06:45:40] <teatime> I would like to be much better at troubleshooting issues exactly like his :/
• 379[06:46:05] <styles_> CPU isn't even close to maxed either. It has to be some sort of IO. I suspect it's the graphic card, this system has a good one, but I have no idea how to see if that's doing it?
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• 381[06:46:24] <teatime> have you checked dmesg just in case there's something big and obvious going wrong
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• 384[06:46:40] <teatime> what's your load averages?
• 385[06:47:07] <teatime> and if you run `top`, does the "%Cpu(s):" line show high 'wa' (io-wait) ?
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• 389[06:55:43] <styles_> Load averages are fine, not even close. It's an 8 core processor
• 390[06:56:47] <styles_> dmesg just says "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
• 391[06:56:51] <teatime> wat
• 392[06:56:54] <awal1> how to find which application created file A/dir. B?
• 393[06:57:15] <teatime> 1) what is "A/dir. B" ? 2) hrm... I dunno...
• 394[06:58:21] <teatime> /win 25
• 395[06:59:28] <styles_> I think there's a network device that's connecting/disconnecting a lot
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• 399[07:02:14] <alkisg> styles_: run `dmesg -w` and check if it shows any messages when the microfreeze happens
• 400[07:02:17] <styles_> I think I see the issue. tehre are a TON of veth connections
• 401[07:02:42] <styles_> virtual etho devices
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• 403[07:02:48] <styles_> how can I figure out what's creating them?!
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• 408[07:05:25] <awal1> teatime, suppose i have a directory named b and a file named A: i want to know which application created them
• 409[07:05:36] <teatime> hmm
• 410[07:05:36] <styles_> Looks like it was Docker spam creating veth devices
• 411[07:06:12] <awal1> my googling says no way
• 412[07:06:14] <teatime> awal1: can't think of a way, after-the-fact
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• 414[07:06:33] <awal1> hm
• 415[07:06:41] <teatime> if you can prepare in advance, could probably trace it one way or another
• 416[07:07:00] <teatime> if it's a core file, gdb can show you... (long shot :)
• 417[07:07:21] <alkisg> awal1: you can monitor dir/file creation with inotifytools, but you need to be running them at the time of dir/file creation, not afterwards
• 418[07:08:07] <awal1> alkisg, I know that yeah; But I am in retrospective mode, if i can say
• 419[07:08:32] <teatime> awal1: what is the actual file name/path
• 420[07:08:42] <teatime> also perhaps the mtime would provide a clue
• 421[07:09:47] <awal1> teatime , a bunch, but I am curious about an empty one named '2', non-hidden. 'stat' don't return much info
• 422[07:10:18] <teatime> is it possible you made it by accident w/ an errant command-line command? ;)
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• 426[07:11:28] <awal1> no, but I am suspecting it is fvwm-crystal related; some buggy script
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• 494[08:07:17] <alkisg> replaced-url
• 495[08:07:17] <alkisg> I'm trying to see if debian has the same problem, but I'm getting "No such package in this suite on this architecture."
• 496[08:07:17] <alkisg> URL of the problem: replaced-url
• 497[08:07:57] <alkisg> How can I see if openshot-qt in debian ships the file /v8QpiHa9tC/xb59dA3xKQ, without installing it from testing?
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• 501[08:09:30] <somiaj> alkisg: you could use apt-file, or file list on packages.debian.org to see the list of files it installs. I doubt it installs that bad file name
• 502[08:09:53] <alkisg> somiaj: the file list is what I'm trying, and errors out
• 503[08:09:56] <alkisg> replaced-url
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• 505[08:10:12] <alkisg> For apt-file, I'd have to add testing to my sources, right?
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• 508[08:11:17] <somiaj> alkisg: you could download the .deb and extract it with dpkg -x into a tmp directory
• 509[08:11:26] <alkisg> Right, doing so...
• 510[08:13:34] <fightthewalrus> dumb question... how can I make the fonts in the cinnamon panel bigger? The Fonts program just changes the desktop and window title font sizes...
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• 512[08:13:49] <alkisg> somiaj: heh, it's the same package version, without any ubuntu customization, yet in debian it's ok, while in ubuntu it ships that junk file name. :D
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• 518[08:15:33] <somiaj> alkisg: hence why based on debian can be different, could just be a small bug in the rbuilding
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• 528[08:27:30] <awal1> alkisg, i told yesterday ubunutu have a lot of sh*** :P
• 529[08:27:46] <awal1> told you
• 530[08:28:18] <alkisg> awal1: haha, you understand that this doesn't cause any issues, and it's probably caused by different /tmp build settings, right?
• 531[08:28:43] <awal1> maybe
• 532[08:28:50] <awal1> ;)
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• 539[08:37:59] <alkisg> fightthewalrus: I don't use cinnamon, but some applications don't respond to font changes unless you restart them, so you might want to try restarting the panel (or logging out) to see if it takes effect
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• 560[08:58:21] <fightthewalrus> alkisg: yeah, I've logged out and in again a few times, but no avail. It's just that I don't see the configs anywhere, and was thinking whether this is something to be tweaked out in a config file
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• 564[08:59:57] <lupulo> hi, if i installed the nvidia propietary driver from webpage nvidia.es and the nvidia-cuda-toolkit, is this option compatible?
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• 571[09:04:24] <lupulo> the configuration of nvidia with gtx 1050 only works in unstable with optimus.desktop of arch wiki, and with a resolution of 640x480, like virtual
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• 610[09:46:43] <maxcell_> Did anybody here have experienced a weird slow apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade / Everything is downloaded fast but take too long to install like really slow. Did it happend with someone else/
• 611[09:48:29] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Is there high I/O on the machine? Fauly disk?
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• 617[09:51:27] <maxcell_> petn-randall, i have this on /etc/fstab : tmpfs /var/cache tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0
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• 619[09:51:35] <maxcell_> why this is slowing the apt-get/
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• 621[09:52:22] <maxcell_> or its not/
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• 623[09:52:53] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Well, it's not unpacking the updates there, right? They end up on your filesystem.
• 624[09:53:16] <maxcell_> the unpack part is really really slow
• 625[09:53:29] <maxcell_> idk how it works exactly
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• 648[10:10:18] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Can you use 'atop' to check the I/O load?
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• 652[10:16:30] <maxcell_> petn-randall, where is the I/O information
• 653[10:16:35] <maxcell_> atop is open
• 654[10:16:56] <maxcell_> the DSK is budy
• 655[10:17:13] <maxcell_> 7%
• 656[10:17:17] <maxcell_> in use
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• 669[10:34:02] <darxmurf> hmmm
• 670[10:34:03] <darxmurf> drwxr-x--- 10 user1 grp 4096 Feb 26 10:29 其它公司的报告
• 671[10:34:09] <darxmurf> I love users ...
• 672[10:34:34] <darxmurf> anybody can translate ?
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• 676[10:36:57] <Slashman> replaced-url
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• 679[10:37:35] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Then that's not an issue, that's nearly idle.
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• 681[10:38:09] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Is this a laptop, a desktop, ... ?
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• 683[10:38:37] <maxcell_> petn-randall, laptop, btrfs partition on ssd, 8gb ram
• 684[10:38:43] <maxcell_> im sorry, not laptop, desktop
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• 686[10:41:14] <darxmurf> damn... files from 1999 ^^ is there a way to work without users ? :D
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• 811[12:17:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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• 817[12:20:36] <Wulf> Good Morning.
• 818[12:21:24] <Wulf> I believe there was some tool I can start, then run the install script from a non-.deb-package, then check what files it changed / wrote. What's the name of that tool?
• 819[12:22:19] <teatime> checkinstall probably
• 820[12:23:05] <teatime> iirc it can even suck up the results of e.g. `make install` into a (brute-forced w/ crappy meta-data) .deb package that you can use to deploy whatever it is
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• 849[12:44:23] <Wulf> teatime: thanks, will try it
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• 898[13:24:32] <ychaouche> Hello ?
• 899[13:24:44] <Wulf> ychaouche: good day!
• 900[13:24:54] <ychaouche> good. I was silenced because I was using my IRC client as root I guess.
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• 902[13:25:07] <Wulf> 13:25:03 -!- #debian q *!*root@* hitchcock.freenode.net 1513113089
• 903[13:25:08] <Wulf> yup
• 904[13:26:00] <BanHammor> using irc as root is indeed not a thing you should do
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• 906[13:29:38] <Tomazzu> hello
• 907[13:30:05] <Tomazzu> need to know can debian 9.3. support amd radeon hd 5450 - videocard ?
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• 909[13:31:25] <Tomazzu> i tried mut cannot get it work, runs in software rendering mode
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• 912[13:32:33] <SwedeMike> Tomazzu: replaced-url
• 913[13:32:46] <SwedeMike> Tomazzu: what catalyst driver is available for debian 9?
• 914[13:33:15] <Tomazzu> wow, nice
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• 916[13:33:44] <Tomazzu> is debian 8 supported for updates ?
• 917[13:33:53] <Tomazzu> and how long ?
• 918[13:34:45] <Smithe> Hi, how I can set a service so that after boot it shows a gtk advice on an event?
• 919[13:35:05] <Smithe> For example "new version of xxx available"
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• 921[13:35:26] <Tomazzu> :)
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• 923[13:36:59] <SwedeMike> Tomazzu: replaced-url
• 924[13:37:56] <Tomazzu> thanks
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• 926[13:38:02] <Tomazzu> so it is to 2020
• 927[13:38:11] <jelly> Tomazzu: HD 5450 should work with default, free drivers, but _maybe_ require firmware
• 928[13:38:19] <jelly> that's rather old
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• 930[13:38:26] <Tomazzu> well now....is there any live dvd for debian 8 ?
• 931[13:38:35] <Tomazzu> ubuntu and mint works fine ...
• 932[13:38:41] <Tomazzu> debian is only an issue
• 933[13:39:37] <jelly> Tomazzu: install firmware-amd-graphics from non-free
• 934[13:39:40] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 935[13:39:40] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 937[13:40:01] <jelly> and reboot
• 938[13:40:19] <BCMM> Tomazzu: what about debian 9 + open-source drivers?
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• 940[13:40:49] <jelly> BCMM: their initial question is about debian 9 not working
• 941[13:40:52] <Tomazzu> i did not get working debian 9 resolution
• 942[13:40:54] <jelly> (with 3d)
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• 944[13:41:16] <jelly> Tomazzu: my advice is for debian 9, to make it work
• 945[13:41:20] <Tomazzu> enter software rendering mode after new installation
• 946[13:41:21] <BCMM> jelly: yes, and the only response they got to that was specifically about proprietary drivers
• 947[13:41:28] <Tomazzu> yes, but how ?
• 948[13:41:35] <jelly> I JUST SAID HOW
• 949[13:41:54] <Tomazzu> so it gets by update the drivers ?
• 950[13:42:13] <BCMM> Tomazzu: have you done replaced-url
• 951[13:42:42] <Tomazzu> how does deb -command work on debian ?
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• 953[13:42:52] <Tomazzu> did not worked in my computer
• 954[13:43:00] <BCMM> Tomazzu: that's not a command. that's a line for /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 956[13:43:10] <Tomazzu> oh ...
• 957[13:43:28] <BCMM> Tomazzu: basically, you need firmware to run AMD graphics cards (even with open-source drivers)
• 958[13:43:28] <Tomazzu> yes, me stupid not reading good :)
• 959[13:43:35] <MacDada> Hi, where do I find a roadmap when PHP versions get official updates? Right now 7.0 is official on Stretch, how do I know when I could expect 7.2 to be available?
• 960[13:43:43] <BCMM> Tomazzu: that firmware is not available under a sufficiently free licence, so it's not included in debian main
• 961[13:43:53] <Tomazzu> okay :)
• 962[13:44:06] <BCMM> Tomazzu: so you need to enable non-free, and then install firmware-linux-nonfre
• 963[13:44:07] <jelly> MacDada: it won't be supported before debian 10, that's for sure
• 964[13:44:14] <Tomazzu> yess
• 965[13:44:22] <BCMM> Tomazzu: if you pastebin dmesg output, we could confirm that missing firmware is the problem
• 966[13:44:41] <MacDada> @jelly how about 7.1?
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• 968[13:44:43] <Tomazzu> well, no i have ubuntu mate on computer
• 969[13:44:48] <MacDada> and how do u know that?
• 970[13:45:08] <jelly> MacDada: no newer versions enter an existing release
• 971[13:45:24] <Tomazzu> how large is debian 9.3. installation from dvd ?
• 972[13:45:44] <BCMM> Tomazzu: you mean how large on hdd? or how large the DVD download is?
• 973[13:45:45] <Tomazzu> with netinst-disc it take long time
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• 976[13:46:04] <Tomazzu> well how much files to copy to disk ?
• 977[13:46:27] <BCMM> Tomazzu: how much space debian take up depends on how much stuff you install
• 978[13:46:48] <Tomazzu> i did install all DEs
• 979[13:46:51] <Tomazzu> =D
• 980[13:47:03] <Tomazzu> should install only cinnamon
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• 982[13:49:18] <Tomazzu> ok now, there is many flavours for debian
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• 984[13:49:42] <Tomazzu> i will install debian mate
• 985[13:50:13] <Tomazzu> debian 9.3 mate, 1.9 GB
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• 1004[14:04:43] <annaZ_> Hello, I am searching for help setting up an email server.
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• 1006[14:04:54] <annaZ_> I installed postfix, debian 8
• 1007[14:05:21] <annaZ_> when i try to access via imap i cannot do so. the password credentials are wrong
• 1008[14:05:49] <annaZ_> and if i try to send an email to another server eg. gmail, the email will never arrive
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• 1010[14:06:42] <tugrik> what do the logs say annaZ_ ?
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• 1013[14:08:25] <annaZ_> tugrik: I pasted mail.info here replaced-url
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• 1018[14:10:24] <tugrik> so the logs imply the connections aren't, er, completing in some way - I assume this is a service out on the Internet, not on your LAN?
• 1019[14:10:51] <tugrik> "lost connection after STARTTLS from" rings a bell, have you tried googling for that?
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• 1023[14:15:40] <tugrik> looking at that and the dovecot error my initial thought would be something "exotic" like MTU
• 1024[14:16:05] <jelly> annaZ_: postfix is only a SMTP server. Configuration of imap will be done depending on which IMAP server you got installed
• 1025[14:16:24] <tugrik> they've dovecot installed as well jelly :)
• 1026[14:16:39] <jelly> how can you tell :-)
• 1027[14:16:54] <tugrik> that mail.info log in pastebin
• 1028[14:17:05] <tugrik> otherwise, yes, I was hoping this was going to be a really easy fix ;)
• 1029[14:17:45] <jelly> annaZ_: oh, mail.info is not exhaustive. Best send /var/log/mail.log with all the lines.
• 1030[14:18:32] <jelly> in fact all the separate priority mail.{info,warn,err} are pretty much useless
• 1031[14:18:54] <jelly> I disable those logging to those on my systems
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• 1033[14:19:26] <tugrik> afk for a bit, kjeep going and good luck annaZ_ :)
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• 1057[14:47:45] <hyulee> test
• 1058[14:48:06] <hyulee> hello world
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• 1078[15:03:11] <annaZ_> Hello,
• 1079[15:03:22] <annaZ_> I have problems configuring a mail server on debian 8
• 1080[15:03:29] <iodev> yes, I think I can help you
• 1081[15:03:38] <iodev> annaZ_
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• 1083[15:03:42] <annaZ_> I cannot login to imap and I cannot send an email to another provider eg gmail
• 1084[15:03:54] <annaZ_> mail.log ist here: replaced-url
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• 1086[15:04:23] <annaZ_> iodev
• 1087[15:04:27] <jelly> annaZ_: how did you configure sasl in dovecot?
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• 1091[15:05:02] <annaZ_> jelly: I am not sure about sasl... how can i check it?
• 1092[15:05:04] <thebigj> Hello, I am trying to find a way to packe RethinkDB in a way which I can make it portable for that CPU family.
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• 1094[15:05:40] <thebigj> In Raspberry PI-3 hardware, the only option is to source built it.
• 1095[15:06:02] <iodev> annaZ_, I'll let jelly help you if you want free, I sell.
• 1096[15:06:04] <jelly> annaZ_: also, line 36 suggests you did log in at least once
• 1097[15:06:15] <jelly> Feb 26 12:48:12 lvps5-35-242-217 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<anna>, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, mpid=17247, secured, session=<34exFRxmIgB/AAAB>
• 1098[15:06:25] <jelly> this looks like a successful login
• 1099[15:06:25] <thebigj> There are deb package avaiable replaced-url
• 1100[15:06:41] <jelly> Feb 26 12:48:59 lvps5-35-242-217 dovecot: imap(anna): Disconnected: Logged out in=75 out=893
• 1101[15:06:49] <jelly> and a successful logout
• 1102[15:06:52] <thebigj> I need suggestion to solve a problem in which I don't have to make it built every time.
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• 1104[15:07:17] <annaZ_> jelly: Yes, I tried to login with my macbook to imap. But I have an error
• 1105[15:08:50] <jelly> annaZ_: what kind of error
• 1106[15:09:12] <jelly> !ask
• 1107[15:09:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1109[15:09:35] <annaZ_> jelly: My mac writes it cannot check accountname or password
• 1110[15:10:01] <annaZ_> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1114[15:12:40] <ircusertest> Hi. I have some problems with apparmor and libvirt
• 1115[15:13:42] <ircusertest> when starting a VM it gives me an error that it doesn't have permissions to access the vm image file.
• 1116[15:14:10] <ircusertest> The libvirt apparmor profile is in complain mode
• 1117[15:14:55] <ircusertest> but there are no libvirt-<uuid> profiles in /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt
• 1118[15:15:52] <ircusertest> from the official libvirt documentation it says that libvirt will create that profile at runtime when starting the VM from the /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/TEMPLATE.qemu profile
• 1119[15:16:06] <ircusertest> but it doesn't for me...
• 1120[15:16:24] <jelly> annaZ_: that sounds like a slightly bogus message, can you tell your mac to use TLS and accept a selfsigned certificate
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• 1122[15:17:06] <ircusertest> if I manuallt create the profile, the VM start but when I stop it - the profile is also gone
• 1123[15:17:18] <ircusertest> any ideas?
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• 1125[15:18:17] <jelly> annaZ_: if you connect manually to imap port with telnet, do you see STARTTLS capability in the banner? telnet yourserver 143
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• 1127[15:19:38] <annaZ_> jelly: there is no starttls capability in the banner
• 1128[15:19:52] <jelly> thebigj: is rethinkdb open source?
• 1129[15:20:03] <jelly> it does not seem to be in Debian
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• 1138[15:30:05] <jelly> annaZ_: oh, then that's yet another thing to fix
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• 1140[15:30:28] <annaZ_> jelly: So i need to enable starttle support?
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• 1143[15:31:10] <jelly> annaZ_: there are some instructions: zless /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz
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• 1145[15:31:41] <annaZ_> thankyou for your advice. No I know the next step
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• 1149[15:32:35] <jelly> after everything works with self-signed certs, you can switch to free LetsEncrypt certs
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• 1151[15:32:48] <jelly> but that can be a different story
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• 1153[15:33:42] <annaZ_> jelly: Okay, I will manage to do that
• 1154[15:33:45] <annaZ_> thx
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• 1181[15:53:51] <MrKeuner> hi, just upgraded to stretch. Why wouldn't the numerical keypad of my laptop not work? Num lock light seems to work fine.
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• 1188[15:58:32] <lupulo> MrKeuner, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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• 1192[16:00:38] <MrKeuner> lupulo, that doesn't seem to do any effect. Do I need a reboot after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org?
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• 1217[16:14:24] <rafalcpp> is it known how much the supposed global-warming is increased due to debian by default enabling screen saver?
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• 1219[16:14:38] <rafalcpp> is it the 90's again? why even have a screen saver
• 1220[16:14:46] <greycat> There is no "default". What the hell are you talking about?
• 1221[16:15:00] <rafalcpp> greycat: the default is to use a screensaver, a random one
• 1222[16:15:08] <rafalcpp> (on a desktop installations of debian)
• 1223[16:15:09] <greycat> You must be talking about GNOME.
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• 1225[16:15:14] <greycat> I don
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• 1227[16:15:24] <rafalcpp> greycat: well xfce too
• 1228[16:15:25] <greycat> I don't know or care what GNOME does, because I am never going to use it.
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• 1230[16:15:40] <rafalcpp> all DMs do it that I've seen on debian
• 1231[16:15:47] <rafalcpp> by default.
• 1232[16:16:23] <rafalcpp> so first things you must do to fix silly defaults is disable screensaver, and chmod 700 ~
• 1233[16:16:27] <greycat> So they run some kind of program which you claim does more than just black-out the screen? What program do they run? How is it configured?
• 1234[16:16:47] <greycat> Why not configure this alleged screensaver program to run black-screen-only?
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• 1236[16:17:16] <rafalcpp> greycat: by default all DMs on debian run xscreensaver, and it defaults to choose random animation, that usually eats 100% CPU
• 1237[16:17:25] <rafalcpp> and some of them also tell NSA that you are AFK
• 1238[16:17:35] <greycat> So find its man page, find its config file, and configure it the way you want.
• 1239[16:17:39] <rafalcpp> (by web fetching a random text from debian.org, that no one will ever read)
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• 1241[16:18:10] <rafalcpp> greycat: yeap I do. The question is why this is done for all millions of users, and for their all accounts on all computers. How much does this all cause humanity to waste energy
• 1242[16:18:26] <rafalcpp> why it's default to waste user's electricity and overheat his cpu (visible often on laptops)
• 1243[16:18:36] <greycat> If it bothers you enough, file a wishlist bug requesting that the default for this xscreensaver program be set to whatever it is that will make you happy.
• 1244[16:18:54] <Tenkawa> what in the world?
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• 1246[16:19:07] <greycat> Tenkawa: people would rather bitch and moan than actually fix something.
• 1247[16:19:35] <Tenkawa> greycat: you and I dont usually agree on much but wow yeah I hear ya
• 1248[16:19:52] <rafalcpp> I'm anyway curious what process leads to such decission making. also the default console beeping with pc speaker.
• 1249[16:20:03] <greycat> File a wishlist bug if it bothers you this much.
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• 1252[16:20:57] <Tenkawa> I personally want these triggers
• 1253[16:21:19] <Tenkawa> if they arent there what happens if the events were actually needed?
• 1254[16:21:27] <Tenkawa> you thought about that?
• 1255[16:22:06] <rafalcpp> Tenkawa: huh?
• 1256[16:22:23] <Tenkawa> default console beeping with pc speaker
• 1257[16:22:37] <Tenkawa> that is a good thing
• 1258[16:22:45] * greycat uses i3lock because xlock (pkg xlockmore) went away and i3lock was the most reasonable replacement I found.
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• 1261[16:23:23] <thebigj> jelly: Yes, it is. I am not sure but here you can find its repository replaced-url
• 1262[16:23:43] <thebigj> jelly: The problem is, they are not building package for R-PI-3 :(
• 1263[16:23:53] <rafalcpp> Tenkawa: almost no one would agree it's a good thing
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• 1265[16:24:24] <thebigj> jelly: I am finding a way in which I get a built of a package which I can install into other R-PI-3 devices.
• 1266[16:24:35] <thebigj> jelly: I don't want to built it from source in every of them.
• 1267[16:25:00] <MrKeuner> lupulo, thanks, it turned out that mouse keys was turned on for some reason.
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• 1270[16:26:03] <metastable> What are we arguing is a good thing?
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• 1274[16:26:47] <greycat> I think they're talking about the terminal bell now.
• 1275[16:26:48] <Tenkawa> meyt//
• 1276[16:26:51] <Tenkawa> oops
• 1277[16:26:53] <Tenkawa> sorry
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• 1280[16:27:11] <Tenkawa> lets just leave it be
• 1281[16:27:21] <Tenkawa> I'm willing to agree to disagree
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• 1284[16:30:13] <jelly> thebigj: oh, you want to learn how to make binary package when all you have is source
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• 1286[16:30:53] <jelly> dpkg, tell thebigj -about nmg
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• 1288[16:31:30] <jelly> thebigj: also, there's a wee tiny #packaging channel on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net if you're already on OFTC)
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• 1290[16:32:19] <thebigj> jelly: I am unaware with possible options.
• 1291[16:32:29] <thebigj> jelly: Thanks for helping
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• 1293[16:34:17] <jelly> thebigj: one silly way to avoid building on every machine could be to use a custom prefix for building and installation, like ./configure --prefix=/opt/rethinkdb2.4 , and copy that whole directory from the machine where you built it to others
• 1294[16:34:37] <jelly> it's dirty but simple enough
• 1295[16:35:05] <greycat> Doesn't sound especially "silly" to me.
• 1296[16:35:43] <thebigj> jelly: Okay.
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• 1298[16:36:27] <thebigj> jelly: I am planning to use docker image. Will there be any difficulty in this approach?
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• 1302[16:37:11] <thebigj> jelly: I am only panning to execute that docker image in that R-PI-3 hardware. Nowhere else.
• 1303[16:37:32] <jelly> thebigj: like a docker image for your platform that someone else has made, or do you plan to make a docker image when you build and install it?
• 1304[16:38:18] <thebigj> jelly: Docker image for my build.
• 1305[16:38:23] <jelly> if latter, then sure, a docker image is another way to build once and deploy elsewhere
• 1306[16:39:26] <thebigj> jelly: I should ./configure --prefix=/opt/rethinkdb2.4 and then run "make ALLOW_WARNINGS=1"
• 1307[16:39:39] <thebigj> jelly: And then copy that entire folder in the docker
• 1308[16:39:50] <thebigj> jelly: and then run "sudo make install ALLOW_WARNINGS=1" right?
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• 1310[16:40:04] <greycat> you have those steps out of order
• 1311[16:40:27] <jelly> thebigj: I suspect you would _first_ make install, then copy the results of that into an image
• 1312[16:40:35] <thebigj> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1315[16:40:54] <jelly> thebigj: otherwise your image would contain the whole build tree
• 1316[16:41:19] <thebigj> jelly: Okay. So what this --prefix=/opt/rethinkdb2.4 does?
• 1317[16:41:21] <greycat> or else he copies an empty /opt/rethinkdb2.4 or an OLD version of /opt/rethinkdb2.4 to the image...
• 1318[16:41:46] <greycat> thebigj: it tells ./configure where the installation should occur, so that when it creates the Makefiles, "make install" will put it there.
• 1319[16:41:59] <jelly> thebigj: that is just an example. I do not know whether your software uses autotools or has a ./configure to run.
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• 1321[16:42:21] <thebigj> greycat: OKay. So if I don't put anything, where will it go?
• 1322[16:42:25] <jelly> if however there's a ./configure step, then you can use it as-is
• 1323[16:43:04] <jelly> (and get rid of "2.4" substring or put the actual verison there)
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• 1327[16:45:16] <jelly> thebigj: 2.3 seems to be current, so append something like --prefix=/opt/rethinkdb2.3 to the recommended ./configure command
• 1328[16:46:42] <jelly> and you will probaby need to install the library dependencies in the image base if you just copy the directory to a base OS install
• 1329[16:46:56] <thebigj> jelly: One more question. I can see, if I don't provide --prefix it is going to /usr/local
• 1330[16:46:57] <jelly> (they will have different names than build dependencies)
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• 1333[16:47:12] <thebigj> jelly: I have already one a built without --prefix part.
• 1334[16:47:27] <thebigj> jelly: I can see /usr/local/bin has 'rethinkdb'
• 1335[16:47:44] <thebigj> Which I am able to access when I run the command 'rethinkdb' from command.
• 1336[16:47:56] <greycat> What *else* did it install?
• 1337[16:47:59] <jelly> thebigj: /usr/local already has other stuff that is not part of rethinkdb
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• 1339[16:48:28] <greycat> One of the nice things about --prefix=/opt/whatever is you can easily see what it installed.
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• 1341[16:48:39] <thebigj> greycat: I am not sure. OKay. Doing it.
• 1342[16:48:49] <jelly> thebigj: if you usea custom prefix, you might want to add its bin and sbin subdirectories to PATH, or use absolute paths
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• 1344[16:49:02] <thebigj> jelly: Yes, possibly.
• 1345[16:49:08] <greycat> or create a symlink from /usr/local/bin/rethinkdb if that is the only user-visible piece
• 1346[16:49:22] <thebigj> greycat: Okay. Thanks!
• 1347[16:51:57] <thebigj> replaced-url
• 1348[16:52:07] <thebigj> Above is the output of my ./configure with --prefix command.
• 1349[16:52:14] <thebigj> jelly: ^^^
• 1350[16:52:17] <thebigj> greycat: ^^
• 1351[16:52:49] <thebigj> Should I run "make ALLOW_WARNINGS=1" ?
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• 1355[16:53:37] <greycat> Did it appear to work? Was there a specific reason you wanted someone else to see the output? Did it look just like when you omitted --prefix the first time?
• 1356[16:53:52] <greycat> If it appeared to work, the only question is whether you want to do "make clean" before you rebuild, or not.
• 1357[16:54:08] <greycat> When in doubt, I would.
• 1358[16:54:17] <thebigj> greycat: What difference will it make if I run "make clean"
• 1359[16:54:18] <thebigj> ?
• 1360[16:54:53] <greycat> I'll let someone else try to answer that.
• 1361[16:55:03] <thebigj> greycat: I shared the output of because I found some dependencies and confused that only shifting is the option or anything else.
• 1362[16:55:09] <thebigj> greycat: Okay.
• 1363[16:55:48] <greycat> Was the output *different* from when you omitted the prefix? Does it contain any warnings or errors?
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• 1365[16:56:18] <thebigj> greycat: No warning errors no errors. I think the last three lines has different path.
• 1366[16:56:29] <thebigj> greycat: It is /opt/rethinkdb2.3.6 now
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• 1426[17:53:16] <apt-get> Hey, got an issue with an openvpn server on my debian installation.
• 1427[17:53:34] <apt-get> I've configured CA and all, I can connect to the server with my client file, and I can resolve DNS.
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• 1430[17:53:57] <apt-get> However, webpages aren't loading. I suppose it's not a firewall problem, since I can resolve DNS, but I'm not sure...
• 1431[17:54:23] <apt-get> I've got ip forwarding enabled and use ufw.
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• 1436[17:56:45] <e9uj> hi
• 1437[17:56:58] <e9uj> up to now, i've always connected to VPS with SSH with a pwd
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• 1440[17:57:10] <e9uj> I'd like to do it with pubkey/pvtkey now
• 1441[17:57:23] <e9uj> where should i generate the keypair? on my local computer, or on the VPS?
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• 1444[17:57:46] <bezaban> e9uj: locally, then ssh-copy-id
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• 1448[17:58:16] <greycat> or simply paste the public key into the authorized_keys file
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• 1450[17:58:26] <greycat> they're small enough
• 1451[17:58:35] <e9uj> greycat: so I generate the keys on my laptop here at home
• 1452[17:58:53] <e9uj> and I copy paste the public key to /etc/ssh/authorized_keys in a new line?
• 1453[17:58:55] <greycat> on the client system, yes, so that you never have to move the private key
• 1454[17:59:02] <bezaban> or that, just make sure you get your permissions right, was thinking it might be easier with ssh-copy-id, assuming it set up 700 .ssh and 600 authorized_keys
• 1455[17:59:03] <greycat> no, NO /etc/ssh/
• 1456[17:59:21] <greycat> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys of the user account that you want to log into
• 1457[17:59:22] <e9uj> greycat: where, then?
• 1458[17:59:26] <e9uj> oh ok
• 1459[17:59:28] <bezaban> but tbh I'm not sure I've ever used it ;)
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• 1463[18:00:25] <e9uj> VPS is debian, but local is win (putty)
• 1464[18:00:38] <e9uj> which key format should i use?
• 1465[18:00:47] <greycat> then you will have to do an "import" (translation) of the public key into OpenSSH format from putty format
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• 1467[18:01:00] <lupulo> man ssh_add bezaban
• 1468[18:01:15] <jelly> I hope puttygen can convert to and fro, these days
• 1469[18:01:15] <greycat> no, man ssh_keygen has the option for translating between key formats
• 1470[18:01:32] <bezaban> lupulo: ?
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• 1472[18:02:26] <e9uj> ssh-rsa SDQSDIUQSD865654723 <whathere?>
• 1473[18:02:35] <e9uj> in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
• 1474[18:02:40] <e9uj> i see my local computer name
• 1475[18:02:57] <greycat> It is a comment telling you who/where the key came from.
• 1476[18:03:19] <e9uj> ok
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• 1484[18:08:53] <e9uj> it works, thanks
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• 1501[18:29:47] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 1506[18:30:49] <tobiasBora> As I explained before the computer of a friend always freeze, and "corrupt" the partition, and therefore make grub fall into rescue mode at startup. So first, is it possible to, somehow, run fsck directly from grub?
• 1507[18:31:04] <tobiasBora> it is quite annoying to always boot a live usb for that
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• 1511[18:32:25] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: grub shouldn't fail on a dirty ext4 partition, the kernel mount it read-only to let the system tools fix it on bootup.
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• 1514[18:33:02] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: So I suspect that something more fundamental is broken. Could you post a screenshot of the terminal when this problem occurs?
• 1515[18:33:13] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: well grub says "unknow file system", and just gives a grub-rescue command line until I fsck the partition
• 1516[18:33:21] <greycat> tobiasBora: I agree with petn-randall. My previous PC froze quite often and not *once* did I have to boot from a live USB or CD as you've described.
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• 1519[18:34:39] <tobiasBora> greycat: well here it's systematic. I have no idea why, but each freeze just "break" the ext4 file system, and I can't do anything without a lice cd...
• 1520[18:34:43] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: And it boots fine when you do a clean reboot?
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• 1522[18:34:58] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: after the fsck + reboot, yes it boots fine
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• 1525[18:35:20] <tobiasBora> even gparted does not recognized the partition as ext4 before the fsck
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• 1528[18:36:17] <tobiasBora> but once it's repaired, everything rolls... until the next freeze
• 1529[18:36:42] <tobiasBora> the hard drive is SSD, no idea if it can explain something...
• 1530[18:37:01] <tobiasBora> (and we always quit the freeze with hard reboot using the power button, no choice)
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• 1547[18:48:46] <teatime> Is there a specific or correct way to erase/clear an SD card? sd cards are weird. like, do they have anything similar to TRIM etc., that I should twiddle?
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• 1551[18:49:53] <frostschutz> teatime, in theory they could have trim, in practice... I haven't seen it (and the usb cardreaders I have probably wouldn't support it either)
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• 1554[18:50:39] <teatime> I used shred to do a random-data pass, then a zeros pass.
• 1555[18:50:41] <tobiasBora> And also, question 2: it it possible to keep the nice grub presentation even if grub failed to recognize the file system of Linux? Because it makes my friend unable to boot easily Windows (or any read-only linux recovery partition) if the debian file system has been broken...
• 1556[18:50:55] <teatime> if they remap sectors, wouldn't filling it up w/ random data screw the pooch probably ?
• 1557[18:51:00] <teatime> perhaps they don't
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• 1562[18:56:59] <JT|work> mornin' fellas, how do I remove a trusted apt key? I found instructions to do apt-key list and apt-key del, but I see dates instead of key IDs. apt-key del says OK but doesn't actually delete it
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• 1574[19:02:20] <Nullshield> I just installed a debian distribuition alongside windows 10. Lost the grub bootloader due to installing windows after debian. Does anyone know a way to get it back?
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• 1577[19:02:59] <JT|work> Nullshield: boot a bootable disk and reinstall grub, I think the command is grub-install
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• 1579[19:03:25] <JT|work> oh and you do it in a chroot, have you ever done that before?
• 1580[19:04:07] <Nullshield> sec i will show you what i have tried so far
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• 1582[19:04:57] <JT|work> I've done that exact same thing before, this is how you fix it dude
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• 1584[19:05:54] <JT|work> boot a linux cd like knoppix, the debian installer might work. Mount your hard drive, then chroot /media/mounted/disk /bin/bash, then run grub-install /dev/sda I believe
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• 1586[19:06:03] <Nullshield> mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
• 1587[19:06:03] <Nullshield> mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
• 1588[19:06:03] <Nullshield> mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
• 1589[19:06:03] <Nullshield> mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
• 1590[19:06:03] <Nullshield> mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
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• 1592[19:06:22] <JT|work> haha
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• 1595[19:07:48] <Nullshield> I did this replaced-url
• 1596[19:08:16] <Nullshield> But, it goes directly to windows nonetheless
• 1597[19:08:22] <JT|work> do grub-install instead of update-grub
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• 1599[19:08:46] <JT|work> if I remember correctly, update-grub does another function, like it generates a grub config for you. grub-install is what actually installs it to the MBR
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• 1601[19:10:16] <Iridos> update-grub should do everything
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• 1604[19:10:52] <Nullshield> i also read that I should install grub into the efi partition
• 1605[19:10:58] <Nullshield> would that be correct?
• 1606[19:11:04] <Nullshield> since I have a uefi Bios
• 1607[19:11:57] <JT|work> I think so, I haven't had any problems like this since I moved to uefi myself. and I don't dualboot my current uefi systems
• 1608[19:12:15] <JT|work> but yes, definitely do whatever you have to do for modern uefi systems
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• 1610[19:12:33] <JT|work> oh you ran grub-install in your paste. sorry, I missed that
• 1611[19:12:38] <Nullshield> ye i did
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• 1613[19:13:17] <Nullshield> I will try something else. If cant do it i will be back :P
• 1614[19:13:23] <JT|work> good luck!
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• 1624[19:20:27] <JT|work> to further illustrate my issue: replaced-url
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• 1630[19:24:20] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
• 1631[19:24:21] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 1634[19:26:29] <JT|work> nice, I was pretty close :)
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• 1639[19:31:28] <JT|work> !removetrustedrepo
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• 1642[19:31:53] <ikus060> Is their a place to ask for legal advice on freenode ? I have question regarding AGPL vs GPL
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• 1647[19:32:35] <annadane> ikus060, #gnu maybe
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• 1649[19:33:08] <velix> I'm pretty suprised that Debian has no "onboard" solution to change each entries on a hostname change.
• 1650[19:33:20] <jhutchins_wk> ikus060: Actually, irc is a terrible place to ask for legal advice.
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• 1652[19:33:34] <velix> Perhaps such a change is pretty rare?
• 1653[19:33:54] <velix> jhutchins_wk: Just add IANAL to each of your posts ;)
• 1654[19:33:56] <jhutchins_wk> velix: Which entries did you have in mind?
• 1655[19:33:59] <Sir_Designer> ikus060 you should ask at eff
• 1656[19:34:09] <velix> jhutchins_wk: mailserver etc.
• 1657[19:34:27] <velix> jhutchins_wk: I've seen scripts, browsing through the /etc/ and changing the hostnames.
• 1658[19:34:39] <ikus060> Sir_Designer: "ask at eff". I dont understand you, sry. What do u mean by "eff"
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• 1661[19:35:01] <hypn0> wouldnt a normal find replace work velix :-/
• 1662[19:35:21] <Sir_Designer> electronic frontier foundation
• 1663[19:35:24] <jhutchins_wk> ikus060: replaced-url
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• 1665[19:36:02] <velix> hypn0: for ME it works, but I thought, there might be special cases and Debian has scripts for anything ;)
• 1666[19:36:07] <jhutchins_wk> velix: I would say no, because only you know what you've installed and how you've configured it.
• 1667[19:36:18] <velix> jhutchins_wk: dpkg also does
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• 1669[19:37:02] <velix> Another question: hpw can I make "apt-get purge" purge non-empty directories? I hate orphaned files :(
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• 1676[19:41:03] <kion> Trying to start a postgresql server and fails with the error message "could not access private key file "/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key": Permission denied" why is postgres trying to see a private key?
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• 1679[19:41:58] <greycat> Probably because it has code to allow TLS/SSL connections.
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• 1693[19:51:11] <kion> greycat, I wonder why was it working perfectly and I have not changed permissions on that key file? any ideas...
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• 1695[19:51:36] <greycat> check the perms on the directory as well.
• 1696[19:51:51] <greycat> on wheezy they are both minimally accessible to GROUP ssl-cert
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• 1698[19:52:26] <greycat> drwx--x--- 2 root ssl-cert 1024 Jan 27 2012 /etc/ssl/private/
• 1699[19:52:26] <greycat> -rw-r----- 1 root ssl-cert 1675 Jan 27 2012 /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
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• 1703[19:54:22] <jhutchins_wk> kion: What DID change?
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• 1733[20:21:11] <massolit> I want to add a Debian package for both Jessie and Stretch to our own private repository. I understand the filename for a Debian package is formatted as <package-name>_<version>_<arch>.type (as described in the man pages for dpkg-name). If I am packaging a version of software for two releases which will exist in a single archive, is there a documented convention for package filenames? I noticed that many packages do something like
• 1734[20:21:11] <massolit> this: $version+deb9 (such as the kernel). Is this documented anywhere?
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• 1736[20:21:28] <greycat> you mean deb9u1 or similar? debian version 9 (stretch) update 1
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• 1738[20:22:45] <massolit> Yeah, exactly.
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• 1742[20:23:29] <massolit> Do you know if that is documented anywhere?
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• 1744[20:24:10] <greycat> paste what I typed into a file. there you go, documented.
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• 1746[20:24:45] <somiaj> massolit: you shouldn't have to name the package, it should get named correctly when you add the relevent changelog entry with your new version string.
• 1747[20:25:11] <somiaj> the debian matainers guide and policy both documnet versioning
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• 1749[20:25:56] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 1783[20:48:46] <kion> jhutchins_wk, greycat, thanks, finally I just went into postgresql.conf and set ssl to false, since I am not connecting to that database from the outside world...
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• 1808[21:06:06] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Sounds reasonable.
• 1809[21:06:26] <greycat> would still be nice to know what he broke
• 1810[21:06:48] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, but "why" costs a lot more than "fixed".
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• 1813[21:07:12] <Tenkawa> root cause is still useful to have
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• 1816[21:07:43] <Tenkawa> to not have it possibly have it happen again in the future right?
• 1817[21:07:53] <Tenkawa> (general comment)
• 1818[21:08:17] <greycat> Useful to kion (OP) so he knows what not to do in the future, and useful to us, potentially, if someone else makes the same mistake.
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• 1876[21:48:07] <JT|work> How can I remove trusted keys from apt? Every how-to says that apt-key list will show key IDs, but it doesn't: replaced-url
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• 1882[21:51:33] <awal1> "reading database" during installs/upgrades is local database or the whole deb.repos database?
• 1883[21:51:44] <awal1> local, eh?
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• 1885[21:53:26] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: That's the way I read it.
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• 1887[21:54:20] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: update updates the local copy using diff files, the package tools work from the local copy.
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• 1889[21:54:43] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: That's why/how if you don't update, you might see an error requesting a package that's not available.
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• 1892[21:56:27] <awal1> jhutchins_wk, aware about that, yet :P but I asked about "reading database" just because since last stretch dev. the reading is slower than before
• 1893[21:56:54] <awal1> last months of stretch development
• 1894[21:56:55] <teatime> <small>just be thankful you don't have to wait on yum</small>
• 1895[21:57:07] <awal1> huh?
• 1896[21:57:17] <teatime> yum/dnf... are soooo much slower than apt
• 1897[21:57:26] <teatime> sorry I'm being an off-topic sh*tposter
• 1898[21:57:32] <awal1> ah, redhat and derivatives
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• 1901[21:58:30] <awal1> firefox esr is incredibly slow in everything compared to chromium :(
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• 1903[21:58:45] <teatime> it also eats all my memory usually
• 1904[21:58:52] <awal1> yep
• 1905[21:59:03] <JT|work> do what I did and install the current version in /opt
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• 1907[21:59:12] <JT|work> fast af
• 1908[21:59:34] <awal1> standard version, quantum, I have it in a vm, is faster
• 1909[22:00:39] <awal1> JT|work, why in opt precisely ?
• 1910[22:00:54] <awal1> elaborate, please :P
• 1911[22:00:55] <greycat> that's the "correct" place
• 1912[22:01:04] <JT|work> ^^
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• 1914[22:01:30] <greycat> ultimately it's your computer and you can put anything you want anywhere you like, but LHS defines /opt and /usr/local for local sysadmin use
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• 1917[22:02:09] <teatime> also /srv, but that's generally for site data rather than programs/executables
• 1918[22:02:12] <greycat> sorry, Linux FHS not LHS apparently.
• 1919[22:02:57] <awal1> nothing related to firefox-esr in opt according to mlocate . just etc and usr bin
• 1920[22:03:09] <teatime> that's not what he said
• 1921[22:03:18] <JT|work> we're talking about the latest firefox from mozilla
• 1922[22:03:21] <greycat> He said he put a NON-PACKAGED firefox quantum into /opt.
• 1923[22:03:25] <JT|work> esr goes where apt tells it to go
• 1924[22:03:47] <awal1> ok, sorry, got you now
• 1925[22:03:51] <JT|work> :)
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• 1927[22:04:31] <teatime> Is it normal for volume-down button on KB to decrease volume by 3 points, while volume-up increases it by 1 point ?
• 1928[22:04:43] <teatime> or is that something I configured myself for some dumb reason at some point
• 1929[22:04:52] <JT|work> that's not normal
• 1930[22:05:00] <teatime> gr
• 1931[22:05:02] <teatime> r
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• 1937[22:12:46] <jhutchins_wk> Function keys like that still aren't entirely standardized.
• 1938[22:13:17] <greycat> The keys themselves just trigger X keypress events. It's what handles them that matters. Usually a window manager or desktop environment.
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• 1940[22:17:11] <awal1> teatime, what you mean by KB?
• 1941[22:17:24] <greycat> keyboard
• 1942[22:17:37] <awal1> ok :)
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• 1959[22:27:04] <awal1> how to appends "Debian Security Tools Packaging Team" developer to "aptitude search ~m" ? "aptitude search ~mDebian Security Tools Packaging Team or ~m'Debian Security Tools Packaging Team' won't work
• 1960[22:27:55] <teatime> put a \ before each space ?
• 1961[22:28:01] <teatime> or use the longer form of whatever ~m is
• 1962[22:28:16] <greycat> '~mDebian Security' gives me some results, but I don't know if that's the result set you wanted
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• 1965[22:29:52] <teatime> awal1: ~m___ is equiv to ?maintainer(___)
• 1966[22:30:36] <awal1> teatime, ~m maintainer yeah. \ no output at all :P
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• 1968[22:31:20] <awal1> greycat, no; I wanted to list all security software maintainer by that team
• 1969[22:31:38] <greycat> one of the results I got from aptitude search '~mDebian Security' was node-security, and when I do apt-cache show node-security, it says Maintainer: Debian Javascript Maintainers <pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
• 1970[22:31:45] <greycat> so I guess I don't understand anything
• 1971[22:31:51] <teatime> awal1: did you try ?maintainer(Debian Security Tools Packaging Team) ???
• 1972[22:32:17] <teatime> greycat: you are searching for ~mDebian and also for Security
• 1973[22:32:20] <awal1> greycat, if you check for example aptitude show mdk3 you get dev Debian Security Tools Packaging Team
• 1974[22:33:04] <greycat> (then why didn't that get included in the search that I did ...)
• 1975[22:33:57] <greycat> oh, THIS is cute: wooledg:~$ aptitude search '~mDebian\ Security'
• 1976[22:33:57] <greycat> E: Regex compilation error: Trailing backslash
• 1977[22:34:17] * teatime gives up.
• 1978[22:34:18] <awal1> teatime, syntax error '('
• 1979[22:34:22] <greycat> quote it
• 1980[22:34:26] <teatime> jeez
• 1981[22:34:54] <greycat> This worked: aptitude search '~mDebian[[:space:]]Security'
• 1982[22:35:07] <greycat> now you perl fans can try \s and shit
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• 1985[22:36:19] <greycat> yes, aptitude search '~mDebian\sSecurity' also worked
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• 1993[22:40:21] <awal1> aptitude search '~mDebian[[:space:]]Security[[:space:]]Tools[[:space:]]Packaging[[:space:]]Team' and aptitude search '~mDebian\sSecurity\sTools\sPackaging\sTeam' works , yeah
• 1994[22:40:26] <awal1> thanks guys
• 1995[22:40:42] <teatime> jesus
• 1996[22:40:46] <teatime> are you serious right now
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• 1998[22:40:53] <awal1> \s easierto remember
• 1999[22:41:14] <awal1> teatime, before I did \ Team
• 2000[22:41:25] <teatime> aptitude search '?maintainer(Debian Security Tools Packaging Team)' ← works and doesn't look stupid.
• 2001[22:41:53] <greycat> they both look equally silly to me
• 2002[22:42:11] <greycat> the version with ~m and \s is shorter by a few chars
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• 2005[22:42:13] <teatime> lol, well... no accounting for taste
• 2006[22:42:17] <bites> aptitude search '~m"Debian Security Tools Packaging Team"'
• 2007[22:42:27] <teatime> and bites, in it to win it
• 2008[22:42:32] <teatime> +5 points to griffindor
• 2009[22:42:34] <bites> \o/
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• 2011[22:43:32] <awal1> aptitude search '?maintainer(Debian Security Tools Packaging Team)' works, but why not aptitude search '~m(Debian Security Tools Packaging Team)'
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• 2013[22:43:40] <teatime> that's just not the syntax
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• 2015[22:43:51] <teatime> every search type has a short form like ~m and a long form like ?maintainer()
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• 2018[22:44:10] <greycat> I'll admit, I did not expect (or think of) the inner literal quotes.
• 2019[22:44:21] <awal1> how with ~m?
• 2020[22:44:23] <teatime> I'm kicking myself for not saying it out loud lol
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• 2022[22:44:43] <tango_> hello all. I'm experiencing a very odd situation. basically, services cannot seem to access anything below a certain path.
• 2023[22:45:00] <awal1> I prefer short term :P
• 2024[22:45:02] <greycat> permissions? something mounted there?
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• 2027[22:45:10] <tango_> the same stuff is perfectly accessible by the user, and when launching the services manually
• 2028[22:45:24] <tango_> greycat: ^
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• 2031[22:46:12] <greycat> what do the logfiles (or journalctl) say?
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• 2035[22:47:50] <tango_> greycat: No such file or directory
• 2036[22:48:26] <tango_> greycat: I first noticed this with the nfs service failing to start
• 2037[22:48:30] <greycat> Which "path" is this, and which service is having the problem? And what is the full error message?
• 2038[22:49:20] <tango_> greycat: the path is /media/<symlink>/<path>, where <symlink> is a symlink to a mounted device which is regularly accessible
• 2039[22:49:46] <greycat> But not accessible right now.
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• 2041[22:49:56] <greycat> Or, was not accessible when the service tried to start.
• 2042[22:50:01] <tango_> greycat: none of the services can access the path though (when started via systemd),but can access it when started manually
• 2043[22:50:14] <Tenkawa> is it a local device?
• 2044[22:50:15] <tango_> greycat: nope, it's consistently not accessible to systemd-started services
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• 2046[22:50:20] <greycat> What do you mean by "manually"?
• 2047[22:50:32] <tango_> greycat: sudo blah blah blah
• 2048[22:50:42] <tango_> where blah blah blha is the command for the service
• 2049[22:51:03] <tango_> e.g. sudo exportfs -a
• 2050[22:51:20] <greycat> So you refuse to reveal the pathname, the service name, the error message, the command you issued, or the contents of the systemd unit file.
• 2051[22:51:51] <tango_> greycat: the services are all of them: git-daemon, nfs-server, apache
• 2052[22:52:07] <tango_> the systemd unit files are the distro ones
• 2053[22:52:09] <greycat> why would apache be looking in your /media/foo/bar directory?
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• 2055[22:52:24] <tango_> greycat: because one of my local sites is hosted there
• 2056[22:52:31] <greycat> The Plot Thickens
• 2057[22:53:06] <tango_> greycat: the same goes nfs-server, I'm exporting that directory locally
• 2058[22:53:47] <tango_> and the same goes for git daemon
• 2059[22:54:38] <tango_> I actually noticed the thing first with nfs-server (submitted a bug about it)
• 2060[22:54:45] <greycat> Setting aside for the moment the ludicrousness of hosting a web site on a removal medium that you know is unreliably available, what *actually happens* if you kill the apache process and then do "systemctl start apache"?
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• 2063[22:55:42] <tango_> greycat: it's not a high availability website 8-). would you like me to just kill apache or should I go with a clean stop via systemctl?
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• 2065[22:56:06] <greycat> If you started "manually", you should probably stop it the same way.
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• 2068[22:57:38] <tango_> greycat: same thing
• 2069[22:57:59] <greycat> what is the *actual error output* from systemctl status, or from journalctl? use replaced-url
• 2070[22:58:29] <teatime> awal1: I apologise for being a bit rude earlier
• 2071[22:59:00] <tango_> greycat: the only service that errors out is nfs-server, apache and git daemon don't error out, they just refuse to serve anything
• 2072[22:59:23] <tango_> greycat: the apache error log has this line, when started via systemd:
• 2073[22:59:55] <tango_> greycat: [Mon Feb 26 00:13:04.682286 2018] [core:error] [pid 10660] [client 180.76.15.33:33806] AH00037: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /srv/replaced-url
• 2074[23:00:03] <awal1> teatime, I haven't gave importance to that; I usually only notice closely stuff that helps me :P
• 2075[23:00:15] <tango_> (the gitweb.cgi is a symlink to a gitweb.cgi under /media/foo/bar)
• 2076[23:00:48] <greycat> and it is 00:13:04 in your time zone right now?
• 2077[23:01:00] <awal1> btw, I know already long term vs short term stuff, teatime
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• 2079[23:01:06] <tango_> greycat: likewise, for git daemon: '/srv/git/git.oblomov.eu/rcs-fast-export' does not appear to be a git repository
• 2080[23:01:17] <greycat> or are these *old* log messages?
• 2081[23:01:33] <tango_> greycat: [Mon Feb 26 23:01:08.354429 2018] [core:error] [pid 9946] [client 180.76.15.19:33495] AH00037: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /srv/replaced-url
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• 2083[23:01:44] <tango_> greycat: it's a thousand lines of all the same
• 2084[23:01:54] <tango_> I just pasted what was under the cursor
• 2085[23:03:23] <greycat> But when you run, what would it be .... "/usr/sbin/apachectl start" ... then this error does not occur?
• 2086[23:03:28] <awal1> teatime, I admit I haven't noticed () for long form , before :P. from that my confusion ;)
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• 2088[23:05:23] <Tenkawa> I think the better question is what is in /srv/replaced-url
• 2089[23:05:36] <Tenkawa> why is it trying to run
• 2090[23:06:00] <jhutchins> tango_: Is the server set to follow symlinks, either in the conf or in the .htaccess?
• 2091[23:06:21] <Tenkawa> jhutchins: thats a good point too
• 2092[23:06:57] <tango_> greycat: with the appropriate env variable, yes
• 2093[23:07:01] <tango_> jhutchins: yes
• 2094[23:07:17] <jhutchins> I have also seen environments where the starup script calls a file that sets some variables, and if you just do a straight apache or apachectl to start it doesn't et those and can fail.
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• 2096[23:07:40] <jhutchins> ..doesn't get those...
• 2097[23:07:42] <Tenkawa> yeah
• 2098[23:07:43] <tango_> jhutchins: apachectl start just calls systemctl apache2 start if you don't set the env variables 8-)
• 2099[23:07:44] <Tenkawa> I ahree
• 2100[23:07:47] <Tenkawa> er agree
• 2101[23:08:00] <tango_> that being said, the same issue also appears with git-daemon and with nfs
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• 2103[23:08:06] <tango_> which are easier to test with actually
• 2104[23:08:22] <tango_> (nfs-server)
• 2105[23:08:26] <Tenkawa> let me check something
• 2106[23:08:28] <greycat> I figured bringing down the nfs-server would be the most destructive....
• 2107[23:08:46] <tango_> greycat: nfs server doesn't start at all
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• 2109[23:08:54] <jhutchins> tango_: If follow ... is set in .htaccess it can still be blocked by the AllowOverride in the conf.
• 2110[23:09:01] <Tenkawa> yeah
• 2111[23:09:09] <tango_> jhutchins: starting manually works
• 2112[23:09:15] <Tenkawa> it could be at the global level
• 2113[23:09:22] <tango_> jhutchins: git.oblomov.eu <- now running without systemd
• 2114[23:09:39] <Tenkawa> tango_: what user though
• 2115[23:09:56] <Tenkawa> root?
• 2116[23:09:59] <Tenkawa> apache?
• 2117[23:10:02] <tango_> Tenkawa: replaced-url
• 2118[23:10:09] <Tenkawa> thats different
• 2119[23:10:15] <tango_> Tenkawa: what?
• 2120[23:10:20] <tango_> I started it as root
• 2121[23:10:29] <Tenkawa> systemd controls those at startup i think
• 2122[23:10:29] <tango_> the processes are replaced-url
• 2123[23:10:37] <Tenkawa> not under systemd
• 2124[23:10:52] <Tenkawa> if memory serves me correct
• 2125[23:10:56] <tango_> Tenkawa: same user as when launched via systemd
• 2126[23:11:02] <tango_> the only difference is the cgroup
• 2127[23:11:02] <jhutchins> tango_: What happens if you do sudo -i <start command>?
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• 2130[23:11:28] <pZombie> hello friends
• 2131[23:11:29] <Tenkawa> thats where i think it gets tricky
• 2132[23:11:51] <tango_> Tenkawa: I've honestly started to suspect something wonky with the system unit cgroups
• 2133[23:11:59] <tango_> but I don't know enough how to debug it
• 2134[23:12:05] <tango_> jhutchins: let me give it a go
• 2135[23:12:09] <Tenkawa> yeah.. thats the boat I'm in too
• 2136[23:12:20] <Tenkawa> cgroups are not my forte
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• 2138[23:12:43] <tango_> jhutchins: no difference
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• 2141[23:13:38] <pZombie> i want to install some debian distro which has support for an old radeon mobility 9600 driver as the newer drivers have decent 3D acceleration on it, but completely fail on 2D acceleration when trying to edit a long text in leafpad for example
• 2142[23:13:43] <Tenkawa> just for grins try sudo -E
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• 2144[23:14:07] <pZombie> are there any debian distros which allow you to install the older radeon drivers with XAA support still?
• 2145[23:15:52] <Tenkawa> did you look on the debian wiki radeon page?
• 2146[23:16:07] <Tenkawa> I'm only just getting back into radeon cards
• 2147[23:16:28] <Tenkawa> I've been running intel and nvidia for years so i'm rusty
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• 2151[23:17:45] <pZombie> i did, wheezy seems to be a candidate for it. It describes how to edit the xorg config to use XAA, but wheezy has changed since possibly to possibly now use the newest driver which is complete garbage when it comes to scrolling through text in leafpad. Basically not usable for any serious work so you have to turn off 3D acceleration
• 2152[23:18:17] <Tenkawa> yeah... It doesnt do 3d on my r5
• 2153[23:18:25] <Tenkawa> well.. not well
• 2154[23:18:45] <Tenkawa> cant do stuff like 3d in vmware... etc
• 2155[23:19:12] <pZombie> 3D it does well, getting about 2500-3000 fps in glxgears. The problem is that when you install the ati firmware for 3D to work, then 2D gets slow
• 2156[23:19:23] <Tenkawa> right
• 2157[23:19:26] <Tenkawa> yeah
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• 2160[23:20:10] <tango_> the only service that has a non-standard devices.list in cgroups is tor 8-/
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• 2182[23:35:09] <clumsy_boy> can someone help me out please? everytime i boot debian these errors show up replaced-url
• 2183[23:36:32] <Tenkawa> looking
• 2184[23:37:12] <Tenkawa> it continues on and boots right?
• 2185[23:37:38] <Tenkawa> or does it hang and lock up?
• 2186[23:38:30] <clumsy_boy> it continues
• 2187[23:38:49] <Brigo> clumsy_boy, replaced-url
• 2188[23:38:50] <stantona> If my private archive is to support upstream foo_1.2.3 for both jessie and stretch, is it valid to use the 'debian_revision' to indicate the target distribution? E.g foo-1.2.3+deb8 & foo-1.2.3+deb9? I'm referring to the documentation here: replaced-url
• 2189[23:39:22] <Brigo> stantona, better ask in #debian-mentors in oftc network.
• 2190[23:39:26] <Tenkawa> yeah I get similar ones too..
• 2191[23:39:27] <teatime> that does not strike me as appropriate
• 2192[23:39:40] <Tenkawa> those are warning
• 2193[23:39:42] <Tenkawa> s
• 2194[23:39:52] <teatime> hmm, but I guess I do see how it would work...
• 2195[23:39:55] <clumsy_boy> Brigo: USB issue is the last thing on my mind, because i dont know if these errors are related to my debian system not being able to properly detect my monitor/screen resolution
• 2196[23:39:58] <teatime> why not just maintain 2 archives, though?
• 2197[23:40:02] <teatime> well, sections, whatever
• 2198[23:40:17] <Tenkawa> clumsy_boy: doubtful
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• 2200[23:40:33] <teatime> hrm, nm... you don't want the same version being different packages, even if in diff. archives.
• 2201[23:40:37] <teatime> so, ignore me, I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 2202[23:41:15] <Tenkawa> clumsy_boy: so whats the monitor/vid prob?
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• 2204[23:41:33] <Tenkawa> lets take it from that direction
• 2205[23:41:51] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: i dont know exactly the model, but its an LG monitor, resolution is 1600x900
• 2206[23:42:43] <Tenkawa> whats the issue?
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• 2208[23:43:11] <Tenkawa> not sure i saw full description
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• 2210[23:43:55] <stantona> Brigo, thanks
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• 2214[23:44:28] <Brigo> stantona, np, good luck
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• 2216[23:45:23] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: that my monitor is not recognized, therefore its a "unknown display"
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• 2218[23:45:49] <Tenkawa> well that isnt as important as the vid card
• 2219[23:45:56] <Tenkawa> what is the vid card
• 2220[23:46:19] <Tenkawa> does your install recognize it properly
• 2221[23:46:35] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: AMD A8-7650K, how can i make sure of that
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• 2225[23:47:34] <Tenkawa> did you read the amd/radeon docs on the debian wiki?
• 2226[23:47:53] <Tenkawa> theres some specific things you are going to want to decide
• 2227[23:48:08] <Tenkawa> theres different drivers/choices to make
• 2228[23:48:41] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: do you mean about free/propietary drivers? i've read a bit, there's only propietary drivers for wheezy and jessie, however i'd like to use latest stable nevertheless
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• 2231[23:49:16] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: this reminds me when i first installed ubuntu on my machine back in 2014, and it came with fglrx, sadly its been discontinued
• 2232[23:49:20] <Tenkawa> I am just getting back into amd cards (only back in radeon for 2 weeks... been using intel or nvidia for a long time)
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• 2234[23:49:47] <Tenkawa> my r5 is working great
• 2235[23:49:52] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: currently i dont know whats my issue tbh, its maybe my monitor, who knows, but this display resolution actually bothers me morethan it should
• 2236[23:50:05] <Tenkawa> open up a terminal
• 2237[23:50:15] <Tenkawa> see if you can run a glxinfo
• 2238[23:50:44] <Tenkawa> are you running direct rendering
• 2239[23:50:47] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: so much stuff pops up that cant read all lol
• 2240[23:51:09] <Tenkawa> you'll need to output to file.. it will be near top
• 2241[23:51:14] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: how do i make sure of that?
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• 2243[23:51:47] <Tenkawa> glxinfo >/tmp/tmp.txt 2>&1 them
• 2244[23:51:50] <Tenkawa> er
• 2245[23:51:52] <Tenkawa> glxinfo >/tmp/tmp.txt 2>&1
• 2246[23:51:57] <Tenkawa> then view it
• 2247[23:52:12] <Tenkawa> with favorite viewer
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• 2252[23:54:07] <Tenkawa> brb
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• 2254[23:54:32] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: it is direct rendering
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• 2257[23:56:23] <Tenkawa> what res does it say?
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• 2259[23:57:08] <clumsy_boy> Tenkawa: 0
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• 2261[23:57:37] <Tenkawa> oh wait.. not in that output
• 2262[23:57:41] <Tenkawa> just a sec
• 2263[23:57:55] <clumsy_boy> i see you're pretty curious
• 2264[23:58:03] <Tenkawa> xwininfo
• 2265[23:58:11] <Tenkawa> run that one
• 2266[23:58:32] <Tenkawa> click out into your main window space outside of any window
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• 2268[23:58:47] <Tenkawa> make sure it is not inside of a window
• 2269[23:58:52] <Tenkawa> when it asks
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• 2272[23:59:20] <clumsy_boy> ok then
• 2273[23:59:29] <Tenkawa> you should get your height width depth
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• 2275[23:59:42] <clumsy_boy> 1024x768
• 2276[23:59:57] <Tenkawa> yep thats definitely using wring driver
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