7[00:01:24] <init7> jelly: but why when I do those commands my VPS comes online does it has to do those rules with my PLESK anything
8[00:02:52] <jelly> init7, you have lots of crap installed, docker, ufw, there's some mention of openvpn in the output, now you say you have Plesk, who knows which piece of software pulled in ufw and which created the ruleset
11[00:04:24] <init7> jelly: I will deactivate the docker
12[00:04:43] <jelly> init7, ufw however seems the obvious thing to disable first and see if that fixes things. If it does then you can figure out which rules are problematic.
13[00:05:04] <init7> jelly: how do I disable ufw
14[00:05:12] <jelly> I have no idea.
15[00:05:18] <jelly> how did you install it?
16[00:05:48] <init7> jelly: ufw disable I did disable it ill try to reboot now and check ;)
17[00:07:27] <init7> jelly: thank you ufw seems to be the fault there Ill uninstall it all
18[00:09:28] <jelly> > If it does then you can figure out which rules are problematic.
24[00:12:11] <init7> jelly: you're a life saver :)
25[00:13:22] <vlt> Hello. What can I put to /etc/default/grub to let update-grub append certain options to the "multiboot xen.gz ..." line it generates?
38[00:26:03] <vlt> How can I make the (this time as) third autodiscovered grub menu entry the default one? And how can I make sure that a future update-grub will set that very same entry again?
76[01:01:54] <simbalion> Hi I just rebooted and xwindows cannot detect my displays correctly and is using default resolutions. I haven't changed anything on my system since the last reboot. nvidia drivers are still installed
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84[01:06:26] <iWaldo> i've added sid to the main deb and deb-src lines in .list and update returns "Unable to find expected entry 'sid/sources/Sources' in Release file[...]". i don't anticipate needing the source for the only thing i'm planning on getting from sid (firefox) but am still curious as to what i've done wrong
108[01:23:34] <iWaldo> @coruja, i've used *nix for years and have already made sure that the repos are pinned such that i don't get sid stuff if i do a dist-upgrade. not a super-pro but i've been cautious enough to check what dist-upgrade --assume-no does when i comment and uncomment various lines in the preferences file and everything seems to check out (no new updates if i pin in the correct order and a decent amount of them if i give it the switcheroo)
109[01:24:33] <themill> simbalion: I assume you mean "upgrade" not "update"; that's normally a symptom of needing a dist-upgrade (or that you should use apt upgrade)
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111[01:25:12] <iWaldo> tbh it's been a year or two since i used debian (or any distro) much at all--but i don't ever recall getting an error message in when apt-get update'ing by adding "sid" to that line of sources.list
112[01:25:17] <simbalion> Something is very broken, and I'm not sure if it's my system or debian
113[01:25:31] <simbalion> Nvidia can't upgrade because of a bunch of broken dependencies
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115[01:26:56] <simbalion> but knowing nvidia I think it's possible it could be nvidia's driver package
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117[01:28:00] <coruja> iWaldo, adding a release to a line in sources.list won't work (and never did) but you need a new line for each release
118[01:28:11] <iWaldo> @coruja, unless by frankenbuild you're referring to the idea that i might end up breaking my system by installing firefox and the (current) sid dependencies and not taking care to stay on top of which dependencies move from stable to sid as FF (sid version) evolves--in which case you might be right
119[01:28:29] <metastable> iWaldo: That's the definition of Frankendebian.
136[01:38:43] <simbalion> I would really appreciate some help because it's quite broken.
137[01:39:12] <simbalion> can't install gnome, or a dozen other standard things anymore because of dependency problems caused by packages being held back that should have been upgraded
138[01:40:31] <coruja> simbalion, what about showing a paste of apt's output?
139[01:40:38] <iWaldo> @coruja, assumed so--thanks. just a little surprised to hear the suggestion for home since professional 3rd party installers seem to use opt (iirc that is where non-distro stuff is meant to be installed according to the LFSH)
140[01:42:18] <iWaldo> ah yes i just checked--the vbox guest stuff is there
162[01:49:28] <simbalion> Since these things WOULD install if they weren't broken, apt-get should be capable of providing the precise point of failure. Why does it start reporting at the top instead of the bottom where the real failure happens
163[01:50:40] <awal1> any pkg for check manuals of UNinstalled pkgs?
164[01:50:43] <themill> real output in a pastebin please
165[01:51:07] <awal1> not sure if apt-file helps on that?
166[01:51:14] <simbalion> and there are broken dependencies which have no installation candidates
182[01:57:29] <simbalion> It's a 2 year old system, has been upgraded at least once
183[01:58:04] <themill> age doesn't make mess like that
184[01:58:48] <coruja> looks like a fine frankendebian ;)
185[01:58:54] <simbalion> Yes I suppose that's true, if a PC sits unused in a corner for 2 years it probably looks pristine
186[01:59:09] <themill> no
187[01:59:30] <simbalion> No? It would accrue mess while being unused?
188[01:59:37] <themill> That's just straight misconfiguration
189[02:00:00] <simbalion> Well you're going to have to be specific by what you mean when you say "that" because otherwise your statement is too vague
190[02:00:25] <themill> You don't get to complain that dependencies are broken when you're mixing a bazillion different releases and your pinning is buggy
191[02:00:36] <simbalion> I'm not mixing any releases. I'm using stretch
199[02:01:10] <simbalion> I bet you're talking about the webmin policies, well webmin isn't debian and just cause they put 'sarge' in their repo name doesn't mean anything at all
200[02:01:12] <themill> *shrug* your sources.list and pinning is the cause of your problem. Feel free to fix it
213[02:04:38] <themill> mixing stable, testing and unstable is not a supportable configuration. You can get it to work if you show a lot of care and get the pinning configuration correct; you have not.
214[02:04:42] <coruja> and at preferences and preferences.d
215[02:04:47] <simbalion> Okay I will clear everything out of there and see if that fixes it
234[02:08:52] <themill> Please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt upgrade"
235[02:08:55] <simbalion> coruja: All of the stuff you guys were talking about were third-party software package repos, _none_ of which have anything at all to do with nvidia-drivers
236[02:09:11] <themill> except this is not about the 3rd party repos
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238[02:09:15] <simbalion> So "don't blame debian" is insane. Either the packages are broken or the package system is broken if adding third party repos destroys it
239[02:09:21] <coruja> simbalion, but you also mix and pin different debian releases
240[02:09:23] <simbalion> And I wasn't blaming debian, I was blaming nvidia
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250[02:10:32] <simbalion> themill: And yet you refused to point out exactly what you're talking about
251[02:10:34] <themill> there's a very simple reason I wanted to see that -- it showed me that you've got a mess of different repositories configured and that they pinning is misconfigured
252[02:10:37] * themill has
253[02:10:41] <simbalion> so either you're blowing hot air or you're keeping it to yourself so you can feel supperior
254[02:10:48] <themill> [12:05] <themill> Your pinning for stretch-updates is the problem
268[02:13:43] <mickey> am I allowed to ask questions here if I'm running buster now?
269[02:13:48] <simbalion> themill: You know what I love? I love all the people on freenode who selflessly spend their time helping other people without any promise of reward or payment. You know what I hate? All the people who use this opportunity to push people into the dirt and make themselves feel like kings of the tech world. One is good, and the other is disgusting.
270[02:14:05] <simbalion> and I had overlooked your second request for a paste, because I was being spammed by "No you're wrong"
271[02:14:13] <themill> simbalion: I'm still hoping to see some output
274[02:14:51] <simbalion> metastable: Sometimes it needs to be said, and when it never needs to be said anymore surely people will stop saying it, myself included.
275[02:14:59] <simbalion> appreciate the help, thanks.
276[02:15:04] <themill> pos: I believe that the buster kernel and some hardware specific firmware are required
278[02:15:33] <themill> simbalion: I'm happy to be wrong that it is just your pinning of stretch-updates that is the problem and to look further. I need to see output.
279[02:15:53] <themill> ESP over IRC is not something I've yet perfected.
280[02:16:26] <metastable> simbalion: No, actually, your little rant now wasn't needed. Do what's being asked of you.
281[02:16:28] <themill> mickey: you'll get better help for buster over on oftc (which I can see you've already found)
300[02:36:18] <iWaldo> @coruja, i tried to install the latest firefox from moz's ftp and it failed. i didn't dig and tried to install it from stable's repo and it still wouldn't open. i ran it from a terminal and the error i received was something re: can't connect to host, make sure your VM's 3d accel is enabled (it is). i tried out chromium to see if something similar happened and chromium worked fine.
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302[02:36:28] <iWaldo> can reinstall firefox from stable repo if you want more info
314[02:42:10] <coruja> iWaldo, just unpack the bz2 file to somewhere (nothing to install actually) and run the firefox executable
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316[02:42:42] <iWaldo> i basically did--unpacked to /opt/something and linked in /usr/bin and then ran the link
317[02:43:07] <iWaldo> it failed to run and so i figued i'd try the native stable debian version and the same thing happened
318[02:43:31] <iWaldo> same failure and that struck me as weird so i ran it from a terminal and that's when i got the message re: make sure VM's 3d accel is on
319[02:43:33] <coruja> then it may be rather a vm issue
320[02:44:01] <iWaldo> right--i figured so and then did a quick overall check by installing chromium and it worked fine
321[02:44:25] <iWaldo> will try iceweasel next maybe
357[03:10:45] <awal1> "aptitude -f install" for example takes almost same time or a bit more that the whole "apt-get -f install && apt-get --purge autoremove && apt-get check && apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean"
362[03:12:53] <dpkg> Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see replaced-url
370[03:19:07] <awal1> if aptitude purge ~o list pkgs A,B,C and D as obsoletes and wants to purge them but I want to keep pkgD, what happens with "aptitude purge ~o pkgD+" action? In this situation, + will reinstall pkgD or just prevents aptitude from removing that pkgD?
371[03:20:27] <awal1> in fact my goal is find out how I to tell aptitude purge A,B and C but preserve D
377[03:23:33] <awal1> BenNZ, I know that yeah; but in fact D is usually an old linux version I sometimes need
378[03:23:46] <awal1> I should have specified that previously
379[03:24:52] <BenNZ> awal1: yeah not easy to help when someone is vague
380[03:24:54] <somiaj> you would have to find ways to refine the search list, ~o matches all obselete packages, but you can add logic to exclude packages from teh search list.
381[03:25:06] <somiaj> but if the list is only a few, just manually remove them and don't have ~o remove them for you.
442[04:27:48] <somiaj> I would just comment out everything in that file, so it does nothing.
443[04:28:20] <somiaj> or move the config file out of the way, see if that helps. Also try to get more output on the actual error stopping it from running
444[04:28:35] <bolovanos> yes
445[04:28:52] <bolovanos> commentigh whole file does not work either
533[06:01:38] <roue> I need outgoing email from my local account to be readdressed as coming from a different account ( my work email address ). And I'd like to figure out how to have some outbound email go through my work smrt server and some go through gmail ( personal mail).
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535[06:01:41] <qman__> try postfix instead
536[06:01:48] <roue> The exim docs are somewhat impenetrable.
537[06:02:02] <roue> qman__ thanks. I'll take a look at it.
541[06:03:21] <roue> I'm been a bit frustrated with the exim docs.
542[06:03:51] <roue> They're comprehensive as a reference but there's so much to it that if you don't already know what you're trying to do it's easy to get lost.
543[06:04:55] <qman__> postfix is pretty complex but it does have several sane default configs for different setups
544[06:05:03] <qman__> if you want something simpler, you might try msmtp
545[06:05:57] <qman__> it's desgined to basically just be a forwarder to a smart host
546[06:05:57] <roue> I don't mind complex so long as the documentation is novice friendly. Starting to dig in now. Thank you.
593[07:39:17] <jim> hi... I installed supercollider, which installed some deps... then I did dpkg -L supercollider to find the name of the executable for it, and found that the supercollider package doesn't have anything besides very basic docs, authors, changelog and copyright... where should I go from here, to find out what the "main" executable is, which package has it, is it installed and what's its name?
651[07:58:33] <jim> yeah me too,.,, and to be honest I'm not sure how to help you... it's good that I asked you to supply info about the whole situation, so someone else can handle it... but, without the compiletime libs and headers, I'm not sure what to do... maybe they're included in the package you installed...
652[07:58:50] <jim> there's a way to find out what's in it
653[07:59:20] <jim> what you need first, is a way to determine the packagename from the .deb filename
654[08:00:09] <azonenberg> you're missing the point :)
655[08:00:14] <jim> if you start from the leftmost char of the filename, and go to the right accumulating chars until and not including the first _ char, that's the packagename
656[08:00:23] <azonenberg> I have the package name and the deb file name
657[08:00:24] <azonenberg> It's installed
658[08:00:32] <jim> understood
659[08:00:33] <azonenberg> I have the headers, they're installed from a separate tarball
660[08:00:44] <azonenberg> i confirmed they're in the right location but that's a moot point because i'm not using headers
661[08:00:53] <jim> oh, you do have the headers...
680[08:03:48] <jim> if you're compiling an empty main(), there's no calls in it, so there wouldn't be unresolved names... having said that, your link step, if to libfoo, would be -lfoo
714[08:13:51] <CrazyTux> alkisg, yes. I have tried a few. Have been using some well known distros. Experiencing some issues like random freezing while using those popular distros.
715[08:14:20] <alkisg> CrazyTux: in general, distros are not that important. If the kernel or xorg have freezing issues, it will appear in all distros.
716[08:14:35] <jim> CrazyTux, people here don't know other derivatives... (well maybe a few do), but if they do, that would mean that they spent more time learning the other one... also, there's trust issues... while the derivs use the same package manager, people here won/'t know the massive amount of changes there could potentially be on the packages of other dists
717[08:14:39] <alkisg> So don't spend too much time selecting a distro.
718[08:14:57] <azonenberg> fwiw i left ubuntu for vanilla debian
719[08:14:58] <jim> too late :)
720[08:15:18] <azonenberg> they tried to be osx and failed hard (plus if i wanted osx i'd have bought a mac)
721[08:15:29] <CrazyTux> just yesterday, I was using Ubuntu Mate 16.04.3. The OS stopped responding suddenly. All the work that I did couldn't be saved.
722[08:15:38] *** Nawab is now known as Neel
723[08:15:41] <jim> it's been months and months, he's still wondering :)
725[08:16:12] <CrazyTux> jim, I persisted with a few distros like Ubuntu Mate for almost a year now.
726[08:16:24] <alkisg> CrazyTux: right, that's one example where the distro doesn't matter. Freezes are usually caused lower level, not at the desktop environment level.
763[08:24:27] <CrazyTux> how is Debian vis a vis OpenSuse Leap, in my use case?
764[08:24:31] * alkisg likes that CrazyTux has already tried multiple DEs _and_ foudn issues with that and he is still asking about it :)
765[08:24:45] <alkisg> It's like he's doing polls on what the users think :D
766[08:24:53] <sach> In two channels mind you
767[08:25:03] <sach> ##linux included
768[08:25:23] <alkisg> Maybe it's his way of enjoying the morning coffee...
769[08:25:53] <CrazyTux> alkisg, it's only because yesterday I had Ubuntu freeze multiple times. Otherwise I had decided never to ask such things.
770[08:26:07] <alkisg> CrazyTux: the software freezes, not distros
771[08:26:14] <alkisg> So you'll get the same in all distros
772[08:26:19] <alkisg> Distro hunting won't help you with that
773[08:26:28] <awal1> CrazyTux, what are you expecting to hear here?
774[08:26:29] <CrazyTux> ok
775[08:26:45] <alkisg> Distros may help you report a freezing bug more properly
776[08:26:53] <awal1> alkisg, not really true
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778[08:27:14] <alkisg> E.g. Ubuntu may have custom kernel patches, so you'd need to test with the vanilla kernel in order to know where to report the bug
779[08:27:27] <alkisg> awal1: I've yet to see a freezing issue that was distro-specific
780[08:27:37] <awal1> i used ubuntu in the past and software instability is constant
781[08:27:39] <alkisg> And I've seen hundreds of them
782[08:28:12] <alkisg> Of course. The kernel itself constantly introduces new regressions, instability is constant
783[08:28:30] <alkisg> But not distro-specific. Now, if the distro doesn't update the kernel, it's more stable. But that's not a distro bug.
784[08:28:32] <awal1> freezeing issue have never happened for me running debian stable
785[08:28:49] <awal1> but yeah, i sometimes experiment that under sid
786[08:29:02] <alkisg> You're just lucky, or don't have thousands of pcs to maintain... :)
789[08:29:42] <alkisg> If you can point me to a single freezing bug that is distro-specific, e.g. under the debian/patches dir, I'll accept that. But only then.
790[08:29:42] <awal1> well, sometimes i have freeze bcoz of X buggy
791[08:30:02] * themill suspects this is a long way from debian user support
799[08:33:33] <awal1> anyway, I have to get my dinner; ubuntu is just a big shit
800[08:33:53] <themill> awal1: not helpful.
801[08:34:15] <jordila> wow, in D Stretch, i just went trying to clean up some old PHP5 packages... (supposed to be unused - obsolete ) and suddenly GLAMP Web apps stopped working in our production server... what am i missing ?
802[08:34:48] * jordila php -v shows PHP7.0 being used
803[08:35:47] * jordila trying to understand / lean from the issue... prior to rollback to last backup
849[09:19:48] <themill> if removing php5 stuff stopped your php applications from working, then either you were actually using php5 not php7, or there was some module you need that got uninstalled. You probably need to start with helloworld.php and work upwards.
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851[09:21:58] <jordila> umh ... i see, BTW 'apache2ctl -M ' , shows > php5_module (shared)
915[10:17:10] <deathleff> hi. amd64 firmware-9.3 netinst xfce desktop setup with intel hda plays no sound via hdmi. pavucontrol shows activity when playing sound but can't hear anything. analog jack works. tried different samplerate settings 44.1/48 in pa-daemon.conf, different hdmi-cables, running out of ideas.
916[10:19:02] <deathleff> aplay -D plughw:0,7 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav acts as if it plays sound but also nothing
917[10:19:27] <deathleff> alsamixer has nothing muted for playback
1128[10:47:27] *** BWMerlin1 is now known as BWMerlin
1129[10:48:05] <themill> Ecco_: all packages have a changelog; if you install apt-listchanges and configure it to show you the changelog prior to install then you can find out very easily.
1188[11:17:22] <vlt> Hello. I’m in the process of replacing a server’s disks and turning a raid1 "into" a raid10. I added two disks, created a new raid10 with "missing" and pvmove’d everything from the old raid1.
1189[11:17:37] <vlt> Now I want to install grub to the new disks.
1190[11:17:56] <vlt> Trying this I get the following error:
1191[11:19:55] <vlt> grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for RAID and LVM install.
1192[11:20:06] <vlt> I’ll paste the full output ...
1210[11:29:08] <vlt> dutchfish: sdb1 is an md raid1 member, yes. The same setup worked fine for years on sda where there’s even less room before the beginning of sda1.
1211[11:29:44] <vlt> A difference might be the raid header’s version. The old setup had an 0.90 header at the end of the clock device,
1212[11:29:51] <vlt> *block
1213[11:30:29] <vlt> while the new 1.02 header sits at the beginning.
1214[11:31:10] <vlt> The old 0.90 style allowed non-raid aware things like old grub to read from it as a normal ext file system.
1215[11:31:36] <dutchfish> vlt, what is inside pvdisplay ?
1249[11:49:01] <vlt> dutchfish: Could you, please, point to the section about that "free space" in the link you gave me? Their layout looks exactly like mine, just without having /boot on a raid device but maybe that’s exactly the point here.
1250[11:49:38] <vlt> "However, GRUB can not install to a RAID device (e.g., /dev/md0), but will nonetheless work fine." o_O
1251[11:49:59] <vlt> What is this supposed to say?
1254[11:52:18] <dutchfish> vlt, works fine, means in there, without grub installed (because grub not neccesarely needs to be installed on the disk itself), hence HW raid works by placing it inside a separate physical volume.
1285[12:01:49] <dutchfish> vlt, well the grubinstaller has a neat trick, it can shrink 'normal' partitions on install for the space it needs. Hence dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc OR on an efi system grub-efi-amd64.
1286[12:02:26] <dutchfish> vlt, it can also do that an an empty separate physical volume.
1294[12:04:36] <dutchfish> vlt, or installs itself inside the partition. I meant shrink the filesystem space
1295[12:04:42] <dutchfish> inside that partitin
1296[12:04:48] <dutchfish> my mistake
1297[12:04:59] <vlt> ok, that sound doable.
1298[12:05:02] <vlt> +s
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1300[12:06:28] <dutchfish> vlt, but for the sake of safety. Dont use that same PV for the grubinstaller, make free space with a separate normal partion on each of the members, as that wiki page clearly shows.
1301[12:06:58] <vlt> I think, for now I will just dd the first few MB with grub and everything from sda to all other disks and call it a day. I'll have to simulate the whole grub-install thing in a VM later.
1302[12:07:05] <vlt> dutchfish: Thanks for your patience.
1355[13:02:07] <phenom> I'm trying to use macchanger and since ifconfig has been deprecated, my understanding of the ip tools equivalent command is "sudo ip link set wlp3s0". So I do that and then do "sudo macchanger -m ab:ab:ab:ab:ab:ab wlp3s0" or the link and I still get "[ERROR] Could not change MAC: interface up or insufficient permissions: Cannot assign requested address". What does a brotha have to do to change
1356[13:02:08] <phenom> his MAC these days?
1357[13:02:39] <phenom> sudo ip link set wlp3s0 down, rather.
1375[13:11:08] <shtrb> Does anyone remember the module argument to iwlwifi to enable it after a hardware state flip (rfkill has HARD block untill reboot) ?
1381[13:16:27] <phenom> rant, I do not see that option via sudo modinfo iwlwifi: replaced-url
1382[13:19:22] <rant> phenom: then I'd try it with hwaddress 12:34:56:78:90 or such in /etc/network/interfaces stanza and see if that works
1383[13:20:16] <rant> I only ever encountered one device that had to do it at module load and one that wouldnt do it at all.. most of them can do it via standard methods
1414[13:30:14] <rant> StephenS: bottom line is you are having a resource problem.. I'd check the kernel message buffer, you already checked free/df, if you can't narrow it down maybe you need to strace
1425[13:32:49] <dka> I have debian 9, I have installed mkvmerge and now VLC is removed, I then did a dist upgrade and I still can't reinstall vlc any help ?
1426[13:33:31] <rant> dka: what is mkvmerge and where did you get it?
1427[13:33:34] <somiaj> where did you get this package mkvmerge?
1430[13:34:40] <doublehp> how do I change my timezone non interactively ? this does not work anymore on recent distros: echo 'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone ; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive tzdata
1447[13:39:38] <rant> cause the reason somaij asked our question is because there is no such package when we both went and looked for apt-cache show mkvmerge to figure out what was going on
1455[13:42:18] <rant> though in this case I'd possibly be more inclined to check other packagtes as well
1456[13:42:38] <Logg> Automounting of removable devices not listed in fstab is broken for me. output of command `$ gvfs-mount -d /dev/sdk1` is `No volume for device file /dev/sdk1`
1460[13:43:42] <rant> dka: you are in trouble.. but its probably fixable.. but you're going to have to edit your sources and finish upgrading to stretch
1461[13:43:56] <rant> dka: you're halfway between jessie and stretch
1462[13:44:06] <Ascavasaion> The joys of a third world country that is developing in reverse. Internet connection sucks.
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1465[13:47:15] <rant> dka: you did something you shouldn't have and what I'm not sure because according to your apt policy you do in fact have jessie sources primarily but a higher priority stretch-backports.. but libc6 for example isnt in backports, yet somehow you have a stretch version of it
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1469[13:47:51] <rant> dka: this is ultimately what is causing you grief.. your package system is really close to becoming totally FUBAR when right now it seems its merely SNAFU :P
1477[13:51:15] <rant> dka: um, yeah I suppose but for now I'd probably just delete your sources list and make a new valid stretch one, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
1478[13:51:41] <dka> can you share a valid one? this is my current apt source list
1480[13:51:54] <rant> as long as you dont have any weirdness other than some stretchiness in there, then you should just be able to complete the upgrade to stretch and it'll go back to normal
1481[13:52:03] <rant> I know what your sources list is, I seen the policy :P
1482[13:52:54] <abrotman> dpkg: tell dka about stretch sources.list
1483[13:53:11] <rant> dka: this is my stretch sources list replaced-url
1484[13:53:27] <rant> httpredir is deprecated, though still functional for now
1498[14:00:57] <rant> dka: finish watching or downloading?
1499[14:01:56] <rant> Logg: well.. if you're using a DE and have something like say synaptic installed, its gonna auth via polkit.. though I dont know enough about it to know any real diagnostics of it.. just enough to be dangerous :P
1500[14:02:01] <dka> I was in the middle, it's korean movie, so I did merge the video with the sub but the video stop in the middle, it was corrupt
1501[14:02:17] <dka> I want to know if the original or the merge is corrupt
1502[14:02:29] <dka> and I will finish it, but 1 hour and I can say its a very good movie
1503[14:02:32] <rant> dka: me personally Id just have used an exgternal subtitles file rather than go through the trouble
1504[14:03:32] <Logg> new question, how do I fix polkit, because I do have to authenticate via commandline for synaptic/gparted, etc, and none of my disks are automounting
1505[14:03:49] <Logg> (except those defined in fstab)
1506[14:04:06] <dka> rant I wanted to watch it on the TV at the hotel and they only have USB connection, or hdmi but i dont have the cable
1507[14:04:22] <dka> rant, just watch it, it worth it
1508[14:04:27] <rant> yes well for something like passwordless auth, these days you gotta make changes in about 3 places to make sure everything works :P
1509[14:04:32] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all, new to debian i just installed . so just wondering how to i check if my video is working correctly. it an optimus style laptop .. i havn't tried to install anything yet. but glxgears does work .. but it using mesa .. it a nvidia 310m .. been looking around the gui and not seeing anything about video drivers
1510[14:04:53] <dka> I have replaced the source.list with yours, apt-get upgrade didnt change but now I do apt get update , lets see
1511[14:05:09] <Logg> DiecastMessiah, optimus is terrible. sell the laptop or install ubuntu. those are my suggestions
1512[14:05:14] <rant> dka: you have to update to get the cache updated BEFORE the dist-upgrade
1513[14:05:20] <rant> I never said anything about upgrade
1514[14:05:34] <DiecastMessiah> darn i just changed from ubuntu
1515[14:06:21] <Logg> nvidia supports pretty much only ubuntu with those drivers, and imo the community drivers for supporting optimus are hard to use
1516[14:06:23] <rant> dka: you'd be able to install things again after the update alone, but depending on how split your system is this could just run you into more problems if you dont make sure its fully stretch first by doing a dist-upgrade
1517[14:07:34] <DiecastMessiah> well ubuntu was no good thannks for the info I just will not use linux than
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1519[14:08:12] <Logg> on that laptop, it's probably for the best. optimus is a hack.
1526[14:10:38] <Logg> honestly it works, but setting it up for friends, they didn't like it. you have to launch games a special way with optimus to get it to use the graphics card correctly
1527[14:11:20] <rant> I think you're confusing this user going off their mention of "optimus like" not verifying that they even have the kind of hw you're speaking of
1529[14:12:46] <Logg> sorry rant, but optimus is actually this terrible. it's true I didn't google "nvidia 310m", but if they say they have optimus, I believe them
1549[14:21:51] <Logg> you have to use a loader program to make use of the graphics card. there's two of them, one is the "bumble bee" he mentioned, and the other I forget, but they're both hacks
1550[14:22:11] <Logg> any laptop with optimus, you should just sell if you want to use debian.
1551[14:22:17] <DiecastMessiah> it optumis .. hte last drivers that my card can use is 340.104
1552[14:22:24] <rant> so this optimus is some attempt then to allow seamless switching of CPU and discrete graphics then I guess
1553[14:22:36] <Logg> for battery consumption, yes.
1554[14:22:47] <Logg> it works well in windows (I'm told)
1559[14:24:20] <rant> I've no experience with this hardware so I dont know its complexities.. but I'd think it'd be possible to just use it without the optimus power saving features
1560[14:24:49] <Logg> maybe it's "supported" but you still have to either launch all games from command line to enable use of the card or change all your launchers
1561[14:25:04] <rant> and if they didnt set it up that way and it only works properly on windows, the mfg made a HUGE mistake in even rolling something like that out.. especially if they arent getting paid by Microsoft for it :P
1562[14:25:29] <DiecastMessiah> yeah thats what nvidia-prime was just uses the nvidia gpu all the time.. unless you call a command bbswitch or something to turn off the card
1595[14:40:20] <DiecastMessiah> well going to try bumblebee .. its in debian ppa's maybe it will work.. i rebeber at one point 5 or 6 years ago it worked fine on ubuntu,, but now i was sick of fighting to try to get it all working.. fingers crossed it works here
1596[14:40:27] <shtrb> Does anyone remember the module argument to iwlwifi to enable it after a hardware state flip (rfkill has HARD block untill reboot) ?<-rant
1629[14:53:06] <Ascavasaion> sphalerite and rant: Aaaah, thank you... Doh!
1630[14:53:12] <sphalerite_> Ascavasaion: lsblk -f will also show you filesystem uuids
1631[14:53:51] <rant> dka: well thats good.. idk how you managed that.. but apparently you installed something(s) from stretch-backports but how that got you libc6 from stretch when you had no stretch sources is a bit puzzling to me
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1634[14:54:09] <rant> because libc6 isnt in backports
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1636[14:54:41] <sphalerite_> Are firefox-stable (not ESR) packages available in any debian repos? I see that debian's wiki recommends using the official mozilla binaries, but they don't have ARM builds
1648[15:00:49] <sphalerite_> Wasn't that trademark issues, why we had iceweasel, which were eventually resolved? Hence also the inclusion of the ESR as firefox and not iceweasel?
1649[15:01:07] <sphalerite_> Not the actual software licence, which is the DFSG-compatible Mozilla Public Licence
1650[15:01:20] <dvs> sphalerite_, it was resolved for ESR, not the regular version
1651[15:01:21] <DiecastMessiah> ok i opened it .. had to use the gui .. i guess this run mousepad... ok so i just put a # to comment that out right?
1652[15:01:23] <shtrb> rant , didn't end like a version ago ?
1653[15:01:26] <rant> idk I guess.. regardless we've not had actual firefox in a very long time
1654[15:01:47] <rant> and even then we didnt have it technically
1655[15:02:54] <sphalerite_> so what's my best bet to get firefox stable running on here? Another distro? :/
1657[15:03:41] <rant> sphalerite_: unfortunately there arent a lot of options for browsers on arm.. what is your issue that makes this headache worthwhile?
1658[15:04:13] <DiecastMessiah> Logg: do i add a # to the line to comment it out ?? correct?
1659[15:04:23] <dvs> !tell sphalerite_ about mozilla.debian.net
1660[15:04:29] <sphalerite_> Well, wanting to use a full-featured browser that doesn't run like molasses :)
1661[15:04:36] <rant> DiecastMessiah: yes, or a ; is standard comment in config files
1666[15:06:10] <sphalerite_> chromium runs, but it has a bunch of animations that aren't much fun to run without hardware-accelerated graphics and there doesn't seem to be any option to disable them. I remember being able to disable chrome animations in about:config in forefox
1729[15:51:46] <Ascavasaion> I have a 26TB RAID5 partition that auto mounts in debian when I open it in the file manager. I cnanot find it in /etc/fstab. I would like to change where it mounts the RAID partition, and preferabyl also make it automount it on startup so that I do not need to open it in file manager first.
1730[15:51:58] <abrotman> sphalerite_: why not just build from source?
1731[15:52:04] <abrotman> or install from upstream?
1732[15:52:24] <abrotman> Ascavasaion: so add it to /etc/fstab
1733[15:52:24] <rant> Ascavasaion: put it in fstab
1734[15:53:07] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, okay hehe Thought it was placed elsewhere seeing as it was automounting the thing.
1735[15:53:39] <SwedeMike> Ascavasaion: no, there is functionality to automount USB volumes etc, but it also works on other volumes
1748[15:58:13] <sphalerite_> my eventual goal is to get the nix package working so I don't need an other-distro chroot at all, but until then I'll be content with using binaries that well-known distros have managed to build
1766[16:15:19] <hicks_> upgraded my htpc (macmini) to stretch today and having issues with lirc which no longer works. Followed the /usr/share/doc/lirc which has someinfo about splitting to 3 services and upgrade script but still nothing. cat /dev/input/event2 does print out garbage (expected) when the remote buttons are pushed, but irw reports "failed to initialise hardware". Any ideas where to look next?
1771[16:17:43] <rant> Ascavasaion: when it comes to wanting to actually control something being mounted there are only two places thats configured.. crypttab for encrypted devices and fstab for all others. There are limited gconf/dconf settings for automounting with gvfsd but they're not as readily familiar to folks nor are they as easy to customize, afaik they are global settings for all mounts not specific device settings
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1774[16:18:49] <DiecastMessiah> hailz all again .. fresh install of debain and newbie too.. not sure but i think i am using stretch ..using xfce and cannot even find what version i am using.. trying to add backports to source.list but not sure to use jessie or stretch
1780[16:22:14] <rant> DiecastMessiah: if you are using stretch you should see 9.3 or such at the top, and 2.24 at the bottom and several stretch sources
1790[16:26:37] <rant> the /etc/debian_version tells you what was installed, version of libc6 shows what you're actually at for most all intents and purposes, and the apt policy shows what the package manager is tracking.. all three should agree but thats not always the case when people do dumb stuff
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1804[16:34:20] <rant> StephenS: So I guess you can solve that problem then
1805[16:34:52] <DiecastMessiah> ok last question. is there a tool i can download to make a bootable usb .. like on ubuntu had startup disk .. and it would install a cdimage on to the usb stick
1807[16:35:42] <rant> I'm on Stretch i386 and for whatever reason it seems like all mpeg files do this weird grey pixelating crap with vlc but not with mplayer.. every other type of file, flv, avi, etc play fine in vlc, but mpeg only plays properly in mplayer. Any suggestions? I thought all the players used the same codecs
1808[16:36:05] <massolit> For some packages (the kernel is a good example), I see a representation of the Debian distribution appended to the version, e.g: <version>+deb9 or <version>~deb9. Is documentation available to describe this convention?
1816[16:38:23] <rant> DiecastMessiah: if is the input file and of is the output file.. you just gotta check and see which device node belongs to the drive you wanna write to.. can use lsblk for example to see block device node name
1817[16:39:02] <rant> DiecastMessiah: there was unetbootin (unetbootin.sf.net) but its outdated and does stuff that is no longer required
1818[16:43:38] <DiecastMessiah> ok seem to be working. stick is flashing
1822[16:45:52] <hicks_> sorted my issue, logging here in case anyone else runs into it. lirc_options.conf had device set to auto. irw and irrecord failed to find the device with auto, setting it to /dev/usb/hiddev0 and both now detect the button presses correctly.
1823[16:47:06] <g0zzy> Why would a wifi driver repeatedly try to authenticate and then deauthenticate once authenticated? (deauthenticating from cc:33:bb:12:a7:fc by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING))
1824[16:47:42] <DiecastMessiah> rant: thanks again.. that seem to have worked out nicely
1825[16:48:19] <rant> DiecastMessiah: yeah its nice they work like that now.. that unetbootin proceedure was a bit of a pain.. it actually unpacked the iso
1856[17:11:56] <g0zzy> "SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3139: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1 replaced-url
1857[17:12:12] <cuddylier> How do I install grub on all disks via preseed? All the commands I find make you hard code the disk names.
1858[17:12:36] <g0zzy> That's Exim4 set up with using Gmail as smarthost. 100% certain passwd.client is correct. Why the error?
1859[17:13:17] <shtrb> g0zzy, sometimes you are blocked when you are sending too much or from a fishy location
1860[17:13:46] <shtrb> normally the unblock come back after ~24 hours
1861[17:14:04] <g0zzy> Right. It was one word actually ;)
1862[17:14:52] <g0zzy> I originally DID have the password wrong. What that cause such a problem even when i corrected it?
2010[19:03:40] <g0zzy> Yes, I've been through that with a fine-toothed comb. "<goose@medion.home> R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com [64.233.184.108] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256 CV=no DN="C=US,ST=California,L=Mountain View,O=Google Inc,CN=smtp.gmail.com": SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3133: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1 replaced-url
2014[19:05:07] <rhizome> how come sometimes i get a single apt-listchanges email (probably when I do a manual update), but i also get 15 different apt-listchanges emails many mornings as well?
2015[19:05:07] <dpkg> rumour has it, start is what you have to press to stop in Windows
2016[19:06:17] <henkka_hy> wow that's still alive
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2020[19:10:01] <g0zzy> I wonder why /etc/exim4/passwd.client has not been read for several hours. In fact since stat shows all timestamps are the same, it might not have been read _by exim4_ at all
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2025[19:16:59] <g0zzy> OK i've cracked it. The answer to my last question is that passwd.client only gets read if the smarthost resolves correctly. In my case, the CNAME smtp.gmail.com did not resolve to anything other than google.com, so passwd.client was misconfigured
2049[19:40:25] <awal1> in previous versions of virtualbox activating "bridge adapter" in guest network settings instead of NAT one is able to connect guest to home wifi directly. the bridge feature still there but it doesn't work, activating it and deactivating NAT, there is no way for guest guest conecting to Internet.
2050[19:40:39] <awal1> anyone using vbox can confirm that?
2051[19:41:01] <awal1> I am running sid but I have this problematic since stretch dev.
2080[19:55:31] <somiaj> well for a bridged network, you need to have a bridge configured on the network card you want to bridge on the host (at least for qemu I need this). So my guess is something is configured on your system where virtualbox cannot setup the bridge directly.
2085[19:57:36] <Ascavasaion> Is there any reason why webmin would not be in Debian repositories?
2086[19:57:49] <RoyK> !webmin
2087[19:57:49] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
2088[19:58:35] <somiaj> awal1: looks like virtualbox should set up the briding more automatically. I'm not fidning any good details on how to debug it if the bridge isn't setting up correctly.
2094[19:59:40] <somiaj> awal1: first check the guest can see a network card, and if it can see the network card, then it is something with the bridge on the host I would imagine.
2095[19:59:51] <somiaj> RoyK: I use libvirt.
2096[20:00:00] <jhutchins> Ascavasaion: I was suggesting that to awal1
2098[20:00:14] <somiaj> which in turn uses qemu-kvm
2099[20:00:27] <Ascavasaion> jhutchins: Oh, oops
2100[20:00:30] <jhutchins> I use vbox but haven't learned much about it because it just works as expected.
2101[20:00:58] <awal1> somiaj, vbox manages bridge networking automatically, I never configured bridge net. in the past bridging works fine just activating bridge adapter in vbox guest net. settings
2102[20:00:59] <RoyK> Ascavasaion: really, learning to administer the system from the commandline isn't very hard, and you'll never miss the webui once you've leared it
2103[20:01:36] <awal1> Jhutchins, I almost use vbox bcoz of full screen feature and I have better results with it
2113[20:03:12] <RoyK> Ascavasaion: don't be - just give it a bit of time - you'll even learn something from it ;)
2114[20:04:30] <awal1> somiaj, yeah vbox and guest detects the card. In guest net. settings I see "Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (82540EM)". that is my card
2126[20:12:34] <apathor> hi. for some packages running apt-get source displays a message like "NOTICE: 'uzbl' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at:"
2127[20:12:57] <apathor> is there a way of getting that repo information with apt-cache?
2147[20:19:22] <abrotman> apathor: for a specific package?
2148[20:20:00] <jhutchins> apathor: I was wondering which release of Debian you were seeing that with. I don't work with source much, but I thought stable was pretty complete.
2178[20:39:08] <somiaj> not sure if that will work for all packages. Also not all packages will have git repo.
2179[20:39:43] <somiaj> The watch file in the source package mayhelp, but I think you need the source package installed for that, and it will mroe likely point to the upstream releases and not the repo.
2180[20:40:50] <somiaj> seems the Source: filed in the copyright field points to the git repo, at least on the few packages I've checked.
2181[20:41:29] <apathor> yeah the attribute name gives the package system somiaj. like 'Vcs-Bzr'
2182[20:41:55] <somiaj> but if the package is installed, grep ^Source: /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright gives the source info on the copyright
2183[20:42:05] <somiaj> unsure how to search the copyright for uninstalled packages.
2184[20:42:53] <somiaj> apathor: the packages I tested that on, that match doesn't return the upstream git repo. I didn't see it anywhere in the output of apt-cache showsrc packagename, but it could just be the packages I'm lookign at
2185[20:43:09] <vlt> Hello. When adding a new device to an md raid I got the following syslog warning: "kernel: md0: Warning: Device sdd2 is misaligned". I had just formatted the partitions using cfdisk. Any idea what might cause this?
2210[21:02:17] <jelly> vlt, one possibility is the kernel still sees old partition table and md used that. You could destroy md0, reboot, create it again and see if the warning appears anew
2211[21:03:27] <vlt> jelly: I re-read the partition layout but will try that. Thanks.
2212[21:03:28] <jelly> (roughly: mdadm --stop /dev/md0, then mdadm --zero-superblock on its members, and make sure old array is not present in mdadm.conf)
2213[21:03:37] <jelly> vlt, did the reread succeed?
2214[21:04:02] <vlt> jelly: At least I got no error message. I'll try again.
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2216[21:05:13] <jelly> yeah, if it failed due to a partition being in use the tool used would have probably complained (at least fdisk and blockdev --rereadpt do).
2217[21:07:41] <dondelelcaro> vlt: yeah, those partitions look good to me too; hopefully rebuilding it after zeroing the superblock helped
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2227[21:15:59] <Pr0metheus> I ssh to another computer and run a spatialite (like sql lite) query, I didn't know that if I disconnect I can't reconnect. Any idea if the execution might have cancelled after I got disconnected? Is this possible or is it running as a ghost session?
2228[21:16:50] <dondelelcaro> Pr0metheus: assuming that the program handles SIGHUP properly, it should stop
2229[21:18:18] <vlt> Pr0metheus: If you have to do things like this occasionally you might want to have a look at tmux (or screen).
2230[21:18:43] <Pr0metheus> vlth thanks I checked it afterwards, wasn't aware of it
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2232[21:18:53] <rant> what would you recommend to play a dvd in Stretch? mplayer seemed to play but I think I got the command line wrong it only played the FBI warning then exited and vlc doesnt seem to do anything
2389[23:37:49] <Ascavasaion> I have a ome made NAS with 32TB RAID5 on it. the computer has an onboard 1Gb NIC. I popped another 1Gb NIC into it. Is it viable to "bridge" them, not sure what one would call it. In order to run say 2Gb data through it? Is it possible, viable, and worth doing?
2392[23:38:29] <oo_miguel> is it possible to temporarily block all calls to 'shutdown' even from root, for example when an automatic backup is running?
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2418[23:51:59] <jan_nabot> Hi! I've got two hosts on local wireless network, both with Debian / X / Openbox. I am looking for way to use keyboard of first host as keyboard of second host without VNC, X forwarding or creating new graphical session for that purpose. 'Just' sending keystrokes. Any ideas?