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• 10[00:05:17] <bolovanos> debian - I am on debian wheezy, have probles installing some packages over pip(1.1), found that with higher pip there should be no problem. According to replaced-url
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• 12[00:05:59] <velix> apt-get install beer
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• 14[00:07:34] <joze> a beeeer?
• 15[00:07:34] <bites> you can create a virtual environment and use pip to update itself in that environment.
• 16[00:07:36] <joze> ha!
• 17[00:07:54] <bites> but not system-wide
• 18[00:08:00] <abrotman> bolovanos: isn't there a pip install pip ?
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• 21[00:08:34] <cr1t1cal> why is there no alsa-base package in debian 9
• 22[00:08:41] <cr1t1cal> i am using testing version (buster)
• 23[00:08:52] <abrotman> why are you still on wheezy?
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• 25[00:09:06] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: i am not on wheezy
• 26[00:09:11] <abrotman> not you .. bolovanos
• 27[00:09:18] <abrotman> judd: versions alsa-base
• 28[00:09:18] <cr1t1cal> oh okay
• 29[00:09:19] <judd> Package: alsa-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.27+1
• 30[00:09:20] <cr1t1cal> sorry
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• 32[00:09:31] <cr1t1cal> yeah
• 33[00:09:33] <cr1t1cal> but not on buster
• 34[00:09:36] <cr1t1cal> or stretch
• 35[00:09:39] <cr1t1cal> why?
• 36[00:09:40] <bites> alsa-base hassn't been used since wheezy
• 37[00:09:58] <abrotman> judd: versions alsa-utils
• 38[00:10:00] <judd> Package: alsa-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; buster: 1.1.3-1; sid: 1.1.3-1; stretch: 1.1.3-1
• 39[00:10:02] <abrotman> better?
• 40[00:10:07] <cr1t1cal> yes why is that? i can't install it. I dont even have the 'alsa' command
• 41[00:10:22] <cr1t1cal> 'sudo alsa force-reload' does not work for me anymore on buster
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• 44[00:10:37] <abrotman> did you install alsa-utils ?
• 45[00:10:41] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: yes
• 46[00:10:44] <cr1t1cal> i have alsa-utils
• 47[00:10:51] <cr1t1cal> but not the core
• 48[00:10:54] <cr1t1cal> alsa-base
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• 51[00:11:50] <bolovanos> abrotman, ;( I was hoping for a while...
• 52[00:12:02] <abrotman> is it alsactl now ? (i haven't used direct alsa commands in a while)
• 53[00:12:10] <cr1t1cal> i dunno
• 54[00:12:17] <cr1t1cal> alsactl doesn't have a force reload
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• 56[00:12:33] <bites> you can do pip install --upgrade pip but not system-wide. get a virtualenv
• 57[00:12:35] <bolovanos> btw - q2 - upgrading from wheezy directly to sarge - is it possible / advisable?
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• 59[00:12:54] <abrotman> you mean to stretch, I hope
• 60[00:12:55] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: my question had to do with why alsa-base is not included
• 61[00:12:55] <annadane> sarge is not after wheezy
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• 63[00:13:11] <abrotman> and no, go to jessie, then stretch
• 64[00:13:15] <annadane> if you mean stretch, upgrade to jessie first and then stretch
• 65[00:13:21] <abrotman> cr1t1cal: I assume the maintainers found it to be unneeded
• 66[00:13:32] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: why?
• 67[00:13:37] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: how can I force reload alsa?
• 68[00:13:45] <abrotman> I'd imagine there's a some docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa*
• 69[00:15:14] <abrotman> or maybe even in libasound2
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• 71[00:15:49] <cr1t1cal> libasound2 is also installed
• 72[00:15:53] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: i mean alsa works
• 73[00:15:58] <cr1t1cal> sorry not alsa
• 74[00:16:00] <bolovanos> abrotman, yes stretch
• 75[00:16:00] <cr1t1cal> SOUND works
• 76[00:16:02] <cr1t1cal> on my computer
• 77[00:16:14] <bolovanos> abrotman, ok thx - this will be long night :/
• 78[00:16:24] <cr1t1cal> HOWEVER, if I lets say unplug an audio device and replug the system wont detect. hot plug doesnt work. I need to reboot
• 79[00:16:32] <cr1t1cal> normally I would just 'sudo alsa force-reload'
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• 81[00:16:40] <cr1t1cal> but my system doesn't have that command.
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• 83[00:17:59] <velix> Sorry for asking, which key is ^] ?
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• 88[00:18:58] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: so you don't know?
• 89[00:19:07] <cr1t1cal> abrotman: there are no docs
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• 91[00:20:08] <abrotman> I was trying to look at the alsa-project.org docs
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• 93[00:20:43] <abrotman> There's also #alsa you could ask
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• 106[00:31:33] <fuby> hello, i did a fresh install of strech with gnome a new pc. everything seems to work except my sound. i read the wiki but, i have no clue where to start
• 107[00:32:20] <fuby> its a headphone plugged into the front of the pc casing btw. i have no speakers
• 108[00:32:27] <somiaj> fuby: gnome should be using pulseaudio, so first type 'groups' and make sure you are in the audio group, second install pavucontrol and this is a desktop independent tool to configure pulse. See if it lists your soundcard
• 109[00:32:47] <fuby> thanks i will try that
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• 113[00:35:29] <fuby> looks like it see my card
• 114[00:36:02] <bites> make sure it's not muted, the right output device is selected and the levels are up.
• 115[00:36:32] <fuby> i have
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• 117[00:37:34] <fuby> nothing
• 118[00:37:49] <fuby> i have looked at alsamixer all things seem up and not muted
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• 121[00:39:40] <bites> can you plug your headphones into the back of your pc and try again?
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• 125[00:41:52] <bites> do you see the level indicator in pulseaudio moving around when sound is playing?
• 126[00:42:27] <bites> in pavucontrol i mean
• 127[00:42:59] <fuby> ok so connecting directly on the motherboard works
• 128[00:43:16] <fuby> now i have to figure out why the front does not work
• 129[00:43:20] <bites> check the front panel audio connector on your motherboard, then.
• 130[00:43:38] <fuby> i did it work on another os
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• 132[00:44:57] <fuby> dont ask me why
• 133[00:45:02] <fuby> but it work in the front now too xd
• 134[00:45:18] <fuby> thanks somiaj thanks bites
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• 136[00:46:34] <fuby> The following packages will be REMOVED:
• 137[00:46:37] <fuby> libcurl3*
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• 139[00:46:48] <fuby> what does the * behind the package mean?
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• 141[00:48:52] <RoyK> doesn't matter
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• 146[00:51:41] <fuby> well it must mean something
• 147[00:53:14] <bites> means packages starting with libcurl3 in the name. see: dpkg -l libcurl3*
• 148[00:53:27] <fuby> aaa yes ofcourse
• 149[00:53:35] <hypn0> isn it a wildcard, meaning more than 1 package
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• 173[01:12:39] <velix> Sorry for asking, which key is ^] ?
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• 180[01:16:42] <somiaj> velix: why do you think that is a key, sometimes that is a symbol a terminal will produce for an escape character (which isn't gernated by a key)
• 181[01:17:18] <velix> somiaj: systemd-nspawn tells me to press ^] three times in 1 sec to exit the container.
• 182[01:17:42] <somiaj> maybe it means ctrl + ]
• 183[01:17:56] <velix> somiaj: great on a German keyboard ;)
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• 186[01:18:19] <wigums> alt key on english qwerty
• 187[01:18:31] <wigums> american rather
• 188[01:18:44] <somiaj> alt? ^ usually means ctrl
• 189[01:18:59] <velix> Ctrl + AltGr + 9 ... let's try
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• 192[01:19:38] <velix> Nope, didn't work.
• 193[01:19:42] <wigums> ctrl. alt. doesnt matter my sausage thumb hit s em both
• 194[01:19:44] <somiaj> ctrl-D work?
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• 196[01:20:05] <velix> somiaj: yeah, as always.
• 197[01:20:18] <velix> ah no, it just kicks me out of the shell.
• 198[01:20:26] <wigums> lol
• 199[01:20:43] <velix> Let me check where ] is on an English keyboard
• 200[01:20:54] <somiaj> velix: far right, it is on the same key as }
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• 202[01:21:01] <somiaj> it is up naer the backspace
• 203[01:21:14] <velix> found it !
• 204[01:21:33] <velix> Ctrl + "+" :)
• 205[01:21:48] <velix> + on de_DE has +*~
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• 207[01:22:06] <velix> It's the ] key on English keyboard.
• 208[01:22:16] <velix> Seems like I need to report a bug for systemd.
• 209[01:22:39] <velix> It should check local setting ;)
• 210[01:22:55] <somiaj> hmm, archwiki has this pointer, "Note: To terminate the session from within the container, hold Ctrl and rapidly press ] three times. Non-US keyboard users should use % instead of ]."
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• 212[01:23:18] <velix> % is on shift +5 here
• 213[01:23:21] <velix> let's try
• 214[01:23:23] <tonymke> Anyone familiar with what gnome tracker uses to extract metadata from music? Finds all my music files (iTunes m4a/aac files), but only successfully extracts figures out the metadata for about half of them.
• 215[01:23:32] <velix> somiaj: nope, didn't work.
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• 217[01:23:53] <somiaj> velix: hmm, well at least you now know, and maybe bugging #systemd cna help get you a reason
• 218[01:23:57] <velix> somiaj: strg + "+" on German keyboard is ^]
• 219[01:24:02] <velix> somiaj: yeah, thx
• 220[01:24:11] <velix> strg = Steuerung = control = ctrl
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• 222[01:26:00] <somiaj> so it is more about the location of the key, and not the character it produces?
• 223[01:26:06] <somiaj> well glad you at least figured it out
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• 258[02:01:26] <Sveta> when installing mariadb-server i wasn't prompted for a password; what is the root password for this server?
• 259[02:02:19] <somiaj> Sveta: usually prompts you unless you installed it once before.
• 260[02:02:38] <somiaj> you can always reset the root password if you control the server, just look up methods for running in safe mode and resetting the password
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• 278[02:14:09] <mickey> hi, I have a question about unstable and #debian-next is grayed out
• 279[02:14:33] <Sveta> click irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next
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• 297[02:33:45] <gubernator> If I install a new DE in my debian system, will I get a mixed mess of apps? I would like to stick with default apps, only replacing a few for specific uses.
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• 299[02:34:29] <gubernator> I am running gnome in stretch and would like to see how kde compares.
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• 308[02:49:15] <kikero> hey
• 309[02:49:28] <kikero> I cannot download replaced-url
• 310[02:49:39] <kikero> It says "network error"
• 311[02:49:44] <kikero> Any idea what the issue is?
• 312[02:50:14] <Unit193> I can tell you that it just worked for me.
• 313[02:51:11] <kikero> Thanks, Unit193
• 314[02:51:16] <kikero> That means there's something wrong on my end
• 315[02:51:34] <awal1> gubernator, if I can call that 'system side' check defaults via "update-alternatives --get-selection". otherwise,configure your apps as needed. check update-alternatives manual for more info
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• 319[02:52:27] <awal1> --get-selections , note the 's'
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• 321[02:53:51] <awal1> you may just have troubles reagrding theming, gtk vs qt
• 322[02:55:20] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 324[02:55:39] <awal1> that is for gtk apps under kde
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• 326[02:55:52] <awal1> not sure about qt apps under gnome
• 327[02:55:53] <poulpy55> hi all
• 328[02:56:00] <Sveta> hi
• 329[02:56:17] <poulpy55> can someone help me with running nvidia drivers ?
• 330[02:56:22] <Sveta> dunno
• 331[02:56:31] <Sveta> if you give more details, maybe
• 332[02:56:55] <dvs> Sveta, use your crystal ball. ;-)
• 333[02:57:14] <poulpy55> I'm trying to run plasma desktop with nvidia drivers
• 334[02:57:43] <poulpy55> I have a laptop (hp envy dv6) with an intel AND a nvidia chipset
• 335[02:58:04] <awal1> by memory maybe 'qtchooser' or something like that for change qt apps theme under a gtk based environment, gubernator
• 336[02:58:13] <poulpy55> ive tried jessie, and now im trying testing
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• 338[02:59:04] <poulpy55> with nomodeset, I have the error "CRT-0 does not have an EDID", even I give an edid.bin
• 339[02:59:16] <Unit193> awal1: Now days it seems to be installing qt5-styles-plugin and setting an env var.
• 340[03:00:49] <awal1> Unit193, ok; apart virtualbox, vlc and sometimes k3b, I almost run gtk based stuff; so not really aware about qt world
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• 342[03:01:25] <Sveta> poulpy55, does the issue manifest itself before you've logged in at your display manager?
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• 344[03:01:51] <poulpy55> with .run installer, without xorg.conf, kde starts with sddm, but without acceleration
• 345[03:02:21] <awal1> ,v qt5-styles-plugin
• 346[03:02:23] <judd> No package named 'qt5-styles-plugin' was found in amd64.
• 347[03:02:26] <poulpy55> yes Sveta I don't have the login screen, only a black screen
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• 349[03:02:51] <Sveta> it probably doesn't have anything to do with plasma desktop
• 350[03:02:58] <Unit193> Sorry, "style" no "s"
• 351[03:03:04] <Sveta> you could ask #nvidia about it
• 352[03:03:27] <Sveta> what is a '.run installer'?
• 353[03:03:29] <poulpy55> I think its a driver issue, or a xorg/sddm configuration
• 354[03:03:33] <awal1> ,v qt5-style-plugin
• 355[03:03:34] <judd> No package named 'qt5-style-plugin' was found in amd64.
• 356[03:03:39] <Sveta> yes i think so
• 357[03:04:24] <awal1> Unit193, that pkg not in debian
• 358[03:04:29] <awal1> even in sid/exp.
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• 360[03:04:41] <poulpy55> Sveta: the installer provided by nvidia "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-390.25.run"
• 361[03:05:32] <awal1> well, it doesn't matter for me; I am happy and well served with openbox + mate-themes )bluementa variant):P
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• 363[03:05:52] <poulpy55> with the xorg.conf provided by nvidia-xconfig, I get a "No devices detected" then "no screens found"
• 364[03:06:11] <awal1> numix theme is also great but not yet polished as mate bluementa
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• 366[03:07:10] <Unit193> ,v qt5-style-plugins
• 367[03:07:12] <judd> Package: qt5-style-plugins on amd64 -- stretch: 5.0.0+git16.g7aa4764-1; buster: 5.0.0+git23.g335dbec-2+b2; sid: 5.0.0+git23.g335dbec-2+b2
• 368[03:07:31] <awal1> finally :P
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• 370[03:08:16] <Unit193> Yeah sorry, on mobile. :P
• 371[03:08:32] <awal1> no support for gtk3 :P
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• 375[03:10:17] <awal1> one needs actually 'breeze-gtk-theme'
• 376[03:10:21] <Sveta> ok
• 377[03:10:31] <Sveta> poulpy55 you could ask #nvidia channel
• 378[03:10:45] <awal1> not fully polished yet but it is ok
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• 380[03:10:52] <awal1> ,v breeze-gtk-theme
• 381[03:10:53] <judd> Package: breeze-gtk-theme on amd64 -- buster: 5.12.0-2; sid: 5.12.1-1
• 382[03:11:16] <awal1> i have it; still buggy
• 383[03:11:54] <poulpy55> Sveta: I'm asking right know, they tell me to ask the bumblebee channel (im also trying lol)
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• 385[03:15:42] <Unit193> awal1: Perhaps, but try installing that plugin and setting QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2, then start vlc. Looks far better (under numix.)
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• 387[03:17:06] <awal1> Unit193, will check that later in my vm; now I am in my openbox session /mate 'bluementa' theme
• 388[03:17:37] <poulpy55> if even I could have kde working, I would try that theme lol
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• 393[03:21:02] <awal1> I sincerly find 'clearlooks-phenix' (and mate themes, almost 'menta' and bluementa' variants, also) the most polished one. that is bcoz -phenix is a continuity of gnome2 theme, clearlooks. Unit193
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• 422[04:02:58] <Devastator> is it ok to ask for help about debian on hyper-v here?
• 423[04:03:30] <somiaj> hyper-v?
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• 425[04:05:46] <Devastator> somiaj hyper-v is the virtualization container of Windows Server
• 426[04:06:53] <somiaj> Is this different than say virtualbox/vmware virtualization? Anwaysy, what is your question, running vritualized debian is supported.
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• 428[04:07:51] <Devastator> somiaj I'm seeing a message during boot that kind of worries me: "PCI: Fatal: No config space access function found"
• 429[04:07:57] <Devastator> but everything seems to work fine
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• 431[04:08:19] <somiaj> what does lspci return?
• 432[04:08:50] <somiaj> If it works fine, I woudln't worry about it to much. Almost sounds to me the virtualizing container isn't providing some PCI config space the kernel is looking for.
• 433[04:08:54] <Devastator> somiaj nothing
• 434[04:09:05] <somiaj> yea, sounds like you don't hav a virtualized pci bus in your container
• 435[04:09:13] <Devastator> I see
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• 455[04:26:29] <gubernator> awall, interesting. this sounds as though a DE switch may not be the same experience as a fresh install?
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• 459[04:29:01] <Devastator> ,v kernels
• 460[04:29:02] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
• 461[04:29:08] <Devastator> ,kernels
• 462[04:29:09] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 463[04:29:10] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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• 465[04:32:10] <somiaj> Devastator: you can /msg judd kernels
• 466[04:32:44] <Devastator> somiaj sorry, I forgot about that
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• 488[05:00:17] <s3a> This is the output of ldd on my binary C++ file.: replaced-url
• 489[05:00:39] <s3a> I get <incomplete type> with ifstream stuff.
• 490[05:03:07] <s3a> I believe it has to be one of these.: replaced-url
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• 493[05:05:24] <s3a> In /usr/lib/debug, I only find a jvm folder / stuff related to Java.
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• 499[05:12:19] <tw> s3a: it's based on your g++ version.
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• 502[05:14:29] <s3a> tw, Thanks. I'll look into further, given this information. :)
• 503[05:16:20] <velix> Is UnionFS, OverlayFS or AuFS part of Debian stable?
• 504[05:18:19] <annadane> velix, answer seems to be "sort of": replaced-url
• 505[05:18:27] <tw> s3a: if you're running testing, you should be asking in #debian-next on otfc
• 506[05:18:31] <tw> *oftc
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• 508[05:18:32] <annadane> not sure if that's what you're looking for
• 509[05:18:50] <velix> annadane: Ah okay. I thought, there would only be one. Okay, I'll keep on reading. Thx
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• 514[05:20:59] <tw> velix: overlayfs is in the kernel.
• 515[05:21:10] <velix> tw: yeah, since v4 I think.
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• 518[05:21:45] <tw> 3.18.
• 519[05:22:00] <tw> But the generic kernel in debian has it as a module you can load.
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• 521[05:22:25] <velix> ok thx
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• 523[05:23:02] <theguyfromthebus> I have a VPS from OVH. Is that normal I can't ping the ip address they gave me?
• 524[05:23:24] <somiaj> theguyfromthebus: unsure, some networks just don't respond to ping requests.
• 525[05:23:46] <somiaj> I don't know how OVH sets up their network though.
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• 527[05:24:48] <tw> theguyfromthebus: could run `tcpdump -n 'icmp'` on the server to see if it's receiving the packets at all. It's possible the system is configured not to respond.
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• 529[05:25:00] <metastable> OVH's network is a completely broken mess.
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• 532[05:26:06] <tw> ^- and that. The last time I had a server with them (some 10 years ago) they were announcing one of the ranges I had IPs in from a different DC.
• 533[05:27:03] <metastable> I've never seen a host where you had to enter a static route to your default gateway, because they put the default gateway in a different subnet.
• 534[05:27:15] <metastable> OVH rants always make me go off-topic, sorry.
• 535[05:27:24] <metastable> Over to #debian-offtopic with me.
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• 537[05:31:36] <orlock> One of My Wheezy openssh servers got dinged on an external security scan for having md5 MAC's available
• 538[05:32:14] <orlock> .. Never mine. Man pae explains all
• 539[05:32:22] <orlock> i was looking at default Ciphers, not MACs
• 540[05:32:27] <orlock> man page, even
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• 545[05:36:04] <orlock> Hmm. I'm trying to specify a list of MACs based on the default list in the man page, and it keeps erroring
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• 548[05:36:34] <metastable> orlock: Show the config line you're using for MACs?
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• 555[05:43:08] <orlock> metastable: Unsure what was wrong with it - i was just pasting in the MAC list from the man page, minus md5.
• 556[05:43:22] <metastable> orlock: Yeah, can you show me the line you're using in sshd_config?
• 557[05:43:28] <orlock> I ignored the man page, ran strings on the binary to get the list the ugly way, and its working now
• 558[05:44:46] <orlock> I'll log a bug to get md5 removed from the default list i guess
• 559[05:45:33] <orlock> They also dinged me on CVE-2016-0777 - so i told them their tool is incorrectly enumerating versions and vulnerabilities.
• 560[05:45:46] <orlock> As they started spouting RHEL/CentOS fixed versions.
• 561[05:45:50] <orlock> Always the way!
• 562[05:45:56] <orlock> ANyway, thanks for listening.
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• 727[09:20:39] <tomlukeywood> Where can i go to learn how to compile a debian iso from source?
• 728[09:22:32] <Sveta> maybe replaced-url
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• 744[09:34:03] <sphalerite_> AFAIU debian's recommendation for using a non-ESR firefox is using the binaries from mozilla? Why is this?
• 745[09:34:43] <sphalerite_> It's a bit of a pain in my case since they don't provide builds for ARM…
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• 834[11:32:49] <st-gourichon-fid> Hello. zsync has a feature to accelerate download, using any local file that has some common parts with the file being downloaded. Seen debian recommends aria2, and I could not find such a feature. Can it do that?
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• 836[11:33:50] <st-gourichon-fid> In my example, I have debian-9.2.1 ISO, downloading debian-9.3.0 ISO from Debian mirror using aria2. Is there a faster alternative?
• 837[11:34:38] <st-gourichon-fid> zsync looks as powerful as rsync but doesn't need any special server-side support, only a precomputed .zsync file stored along the regular downloaded file.
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• 860[12:04:50] <d9867eb> hello, SDDM wont start for me on Debian unstable.
• 861[12:05:05] <jelly> st-gourichon-fid, searching debian-cd and zsync returns some results: replaced-url
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• 863[12:05:37] <jelly> !debian-next
• 864[12:05:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 866[12:05:59] <Unit193> st-gourichon-fid: Downside of zsync, no https support at all.
• 867[12:06:01] <jelly> d9867eb, things break on unstable all the time, ask in ^^ there
• 868[12:06:31] <jelly> (debian-cd being the team that handles creation of iso images)
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• 870[12:07:15] <d9867eb> jelly: ok thanks
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• 896[12:31:06] <st-gourichon-fid> jelly, Unit193 thanks.
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• 940[13:16:44] <oo_miguel> Is there some standard mechanism to run missed cronjobs due to system downtime?
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• 943[13:17:33] <jelly> anacron
• 944[13:17:53] <oo_miguel> jelly: thank you very much
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• 948[13:18:37] <jelly> it only deals with /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}/ by default, no idea if it can be used for per-user cronjobs
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• 952[13:20:49] <oo_miguel> jelly: it is fine for most of my use cases.
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• 956[13:21:33] <oo_miguel> also a tool that progresses time only during uptime would be nice.
• 957[13:22:42] <st-gourichon-fid> oo_miguel, what do you mean?
• 958[13:23:00] <jelly> he wants to run the whole universe inside a VM
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• 960[13:23:19] <oo_miguel> A tool that would allow to run a command for example every 10 minutes of system uptime
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• 962[13:24:00] <jelly> oo_miguel, chained at jobs
• 963[13:24:00] <oo_miguel> jelly: this is true, however my question about cron concerns my dektop
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• 967[13:25:18] <jelly> but those are silly, don't do that
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• 969[13:26:23] <st-gourichon-fid> jelly, perhaps oo_miguel already succeeded replaced-url
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• 972[13:27:41] <oo_miguel> A real-life use case is I want to run some backup scripts every second day my computer was up.
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• 974[13:28:41] <jelly> or just run it every second day
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• 977[13:30:14] <oo_miguel> jelly: by hand?
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• 979[13:30:28] <jelly> or save a timestamp of last successful run and run if it's been >= 47h59m since
• 980[13:30:49] <jelly> and run it as often as you want
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• 982[13:31:59] <oo_miguel> Yes sure, I am aware I can build some simple scripts that will fit my needs. Just wondered if there is already an widely used solution, since most of the time I end up writing some buggy dirty tools, just to find out that already that does it much better exists :P
• 983[13:32:02] <sphalerite_> mumble mumble systemd timers
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• 985[13:32:25] <jelly> I don't know of one.
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• 987[13:33:46] <jelly> oo_miguel, is it a problem if the job runs more often than it should?
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• 989[13:34:14] <oo_miguel> jelly: yes :)
• 990[13:34:24] <oo_miguel> unless I guard it with a timestamp as you described
• 991[13:35:00] <oo_miguel> but then I can just run it from cron every 5 minutes (assuming I do not turn off my computer after 4 minnutes)
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• 995[13:39:15] <oo_miguel> jelly: I will use anacron for a start, thank you
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• 1005[13:47:57] <tw> Is there an anacron that doesn't do disk hits every minute? It's been a while since I checked but this killed the battery life on my laptop.
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• 1017[13:55:46] <tomreyn> i don't know (not even whether it does this). if it's still an issue then use cron instead or use anacron with a ram disk.
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• 1020[13:56:29] <tomreyn> tw: ^
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• 1022[13:56:59] <unicron> or get an SSD
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• 1024[13:57:12] <unicron> i put one in my old netbook from 2009 and it's got new life
• 1025[13:57:29] <tw> which is the actual solution I should do, but I'll try the ramdisk spool directory thing.
• 1026[13:57:33] <tw> thanks.
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• 1034[14:06:18] <Kcchouette> hello, I bought a notebook which have Intel Apollo Lake as a CPU, and I failed to boot debian from my usb stick. can I have help? I use rufus on windows to build usb boot
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• 1036[14:06:58] <dvs> !rufus
• 1037[14:06:58] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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• 1039[14:07:31] <Kcchouette> !usb install
• 1040[14:07:32] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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• 1042[14:09:22] <Kcchouette> thank you, I'll try using official method
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• 1044[14:10:08] <okamis_> I have a package I just want to get which the latest version is.
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• 1047[14:11:43] <petn-randall> Kcchouette: One common pitfall is that you need to make sure that you boot the same method (either UEFI *or* legacy BIOS) as your main OS.
• 1048[14:12:43] <petn-randall> Kcchouette: Apart from that is should be a rather smooth sailing.
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• 1078[14:41:37] <jair> if I am running LXD/LXC in debian and I have a question, can I ask here? or should I just direct the question to #lxcontainers?
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• 1127[15:03:58] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 1133[15:05:45] <tobiasBora> I don't know why, but a friend installed debian 9 (and also he tried ubuntu 16.04 before), but the system always freezes... And each time it freezes, it needs a hard reboot, and this hard reboot corrupts the system ext4 partition. Do you know how to debug this, it's really, really, annoying...
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• 1195[15:11:00] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: First thing I'd check the logs for kernel oopses or other things.
• 1196[15:11:01] <Sansar> Hello, I have a weird problem. I use xfce but sometimes when I click on the downloads, the files are not shown in "thunar" but instead an app called " files" (v 3.26.2). What is this thing that replaces thunar?
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• 1216[15:13:55] <Sansar> petn-randall, it is on testing
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• 1218[15:14:55] <Sansar> please don't kick me to #debian-next, this channel allowed me to use linux daily so this is the first place I ask for help unless it is really a testing specific problem
• 1219[15:15:01] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: I put here the logs, but I did not really saw anything special: replaced-url
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• 1225[15:16:32] <tobiasBora> By the way, do you think that I could use LVM instead of the classic partition system to avoid corruption at each hard reboot?
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• 1229[15:19:21] <JPT> How would LVM avoid corruption? What kind of corruption are we talking about?
• 1230[15:20:07] <tobiasBora> JPT: no idea, maybe LVM would add redunctancy, and therefore limit the need of "fsck /mypartition" at each hard reboot (which occurs really often since the system is not stable)
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• 1232[15:20:53] <JPT> I just scrolled up a bunch. Corruption on file system level due to system freeze can not be stopped by adding more layers like LVM.
• 1233[15:21:07] <JPT> At least that's what i think
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• 1235[15:21:39] <JPT> The last time i let my laptop battery run so low that it turned off, i had to repair a lot of files on the ssd
• 1236[15:21:40] <tobiasBora> JPT: ok thanks. Do you know if I could replace ext4 with a more "resistant" file system to system freeze?
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• 1240[15:22:31] <JPT> As far as i know, ext4 is pretty solid and stable. If you have journaling already turned on (not sure about defaults and such), then there is not that much more to do. :/
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• 1245[15:23:25] <JPT> You could try to disable write caching on disk level using hdparm (careful with that tool, it can do very many things)
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• 1252[15:23:56] <JPT> If there are settings about caching writes on ext4 level, you may want to turn them off to reduce the chance of losing data that's about to be written.
• 1253[15:24:48] <eugenmayer> a preseed question ( part ). i have this system partion defintino replaced-url
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• 1257[15:27:05] <bs0d> Hi all
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• 1260[15:27:21] <bs0d> when Debian 10 is going to be released?
• 1261[15:27:28] <eugenmayer> when its done :)
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• 1263[15:27:58] <tobiasBora> JPT: ok thank you
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• 1275[15:37:50] <jhutchins> JPT: LVM does nothing to protect against corruption.
• 1276[15:38:25] <JPT> Good. I would be surprised if it did. :)
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• 1280[15:40:44] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: When the system boots up, it writes a "dirty" bit to the disk, to say that files may not be in a consistent state because they have been opened for write. If the system freezes or looses power, changes that are buffered in RAM may not be written to the disk yet, and files may actually be damaged.
• 1281[15:41:34] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: With an EXT3+ filesystem, you have a journal that records a consistent state for files, so there is not much chance of actual data loss.
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• 1283[15:42:38] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: When the system is shutting down, the buffers are flushed to the disks and the journal is written, then the "dirty" flag is cleared and the disks are mounted read-only for the final steps.
• 1284[15:43:04] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: What you're seeing is the filesystem check being triggered by the presence of that flag, not by actual corruption.
• 1285[15:43:48] <tobiasBora> jhutchins: well if I run fsck it tries to fix lot's of files (it writes stuff about inodes...)
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• 1287[15:44:42] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: You're already running a filesystem with about as much protection as you can expect. The thing to focus on is fixing the "freeze".
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• 1290[15:45:46] <tobiasBora> yes
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• 1298[15:54:33] <bs0d> so when Debian 10 is released, I am expected to monitor the website for it and to upgrade the system? Debian will not offer me any upgrade on its own?
• 1299[15:54:55] <JPT> Debian leaves it up to their users when to upgrade a system.
• 1300[15:55:04] <JPT> And that's a good thing
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• 1302[15:55:28] <nkuttler> bs0d: you want to check the release notes before upgrading
• 1303[15:55:43] <JPT> At work, we use Debian mostly for production servers. Since dist upgrades may include breaking changes, we need to be able rely on that manual upgrade step.
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• 1316[16:14:35] <ahmadadnan> hi..what is the permission needed for NAS mount point that will be used as bareos device?
• 1317[16:15:19] <ahmadadnan> im having the permission error from bareos
• 1318[16:15:43] <ahmadadnan> this is the error :the error is : 24-Feb 02:25 bareos-sd JobId 93: Warning: label.c:376 Open device "NAS-03" (/mnt/NAS-03) Volume "Full-0002" failed: ERR=dev.c:664 Could not open: /mnt/NAS-03/Full-0002, ERR=Permission denied
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• 1324[16:22:17] <jhutchins> What is the ownership of /mnt/NAS-03 and Full-0002?
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• 1327[16:24:48] <jhutchins> ahmadadnan: What is the ownership of /mnt/NAS-03 and Full-0002?
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• 1329[16:26:03] <RoyK> ahmadadnan: well, the bareos user needs to write to it, obvously - is this for the SD?
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• 1331[16:26:57] <RoyK> ahmadadnan: bareos-fd runs as root, so that shouldn't be a problem
• 1332[16:27:36] <ahmadadnan> the ownership is bareos:disk
• 1333[16:27:48] <RoyK> nfs?
• 1334[16:27:57] <ahmadadnan> yes, SD
• 1335[16:28:05] <ahmadadnan> yes, nfs
• 1336[16:28:13] <RoyK> su -c /bin/bash - bareos
• 1337[16:28:17] <RoyK> then try to access it
• 1338[16:29:35] <ahmadadnan> run this "su -c /bin/bash - bareos"on terminal and access to the directory?
• 1339[16:29:54] <RoyK> yes
• 1340[16:30:08] <RoyK> just su to bareos as I said and try to make a file in the target dir
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• 1344[16:34:06] <Jubei> hello. I've installed the wordpress debian package and some files are in /usr/share while others are in /var/lib .. I was wondering what's the reasoning behind this
• 1345[16:34:16] <ahmadadnan> ok
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• 1347[16:35:44] <tobiasBora> Just a question, why is it recommended to first do "apt upgrade", and then "apt full-upgrade"?
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• 1358[16:44:57] <ahmadadnan> Royk : it seems like nothing happen after su to bareos
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• 1363[16:50:08] <tobiasBora> and also, what is the difference between "apt full-upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
• 1364[16:52:33] <ahmadadnan> RoyK : i execute this command - runuser -l bareos -c "mkdir /nas/NAS-03/test1" , but the file is not created
• 1365[16:54:34] <RoyK> ahmadadnan: try su -s /bin/bash - bareos
• 1366[16:54:46] <RoyK> ahmadadnan: quite possibly, the bareos user doesn't have a shell
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• 1368[16:58:10] <ahmadadnan> root@hv-01:~# su -s /bin/bash - bareos >>> bareos@hv-01:~$ mkdir /nas/NAS-03/test1 >> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/nas/NAS-03/test1’: Permission denied
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• 1370[16:58:31] <alkisg> (05:35:44 μμ) tobiasBora: Just a question, why is it recommended to first do "apt upgrade", and then "apt full-upgrade"? ==> where did you see that recommendation? It doesn't make much sense to me...
• 1371[16:58:45] <alkisg> (05:50:08 μμ) tobiasBora: and also, what is the difference between "apt full-upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? ==> new apt interface vs old apt-get interface
• 1372[16:59:32] <tobiasBora> alkisg: a friend told me that and told me it was "more stable and avoid conflicts sometimes". But maybe not
• 1373[16:59:37] <tobiasBora> thank you !
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• 1377[17:01:07] <tobiasBora> Tu install all needed microcode, is it enough to install firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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• 1380[17:02:24] <tobiasBora> To*
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• 1411[17:19:42] <ahmadadnan> RoyK : root@hv-01:~# su -s /bin/bash - bareos >>> bareos@hv-01:~$ mkdir /nas/NAS-03/test1 >> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/nas/NAS-03/test1’: Permission denied
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• 1423[17:24:51] <jhutchins> alkisg: You should look at the man page for your preferred apt tool for the diffrences between upgrade and full- or dist-upgrade.
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• 1425[17:25:41] <jhutchins> alkisg: The release notes don't always recommend that, but people get used to doing it.
• 1426[17:26:18] <jhutchins> alkisg: You're separating the risks of conflicts and errors into more managable groups.
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• 1429[17:27:02] <jhutchins> alkisg: Sorry, just realized that yu were quoting someone else.
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• 1433[17:27:37] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: See above.
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• 1439[17:29:05] <jhutchins> Jubei: That's more in line with how Debian sets up web apps.
• 1440[17:29:35] <jhutchins> Jubei: You may have better luck installing WP directly from them using the wp-cli tool (which is great).
• 1441[17:29:44] <Jubei> jhutchins I see. But that still doesn't answer what's the logic behind it.
• 1442[17:30:24] <jhutchins> Jubei: You might get better answers looking at the release notes and README files.
• 1443[17:30:34] <Jubei> jhutchins thank you :)
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• 1445[17:32:47] <RoyK> ahmadadnan: is this exported and mounted with sec=sys?
• 1446[17:33:08] <jhutchins> Jubei: See also replaced-url
• 1447[17:33:28] <RoyK> ahmadadnan: otherwise it'll rely on kerberos, if it's nfs v4, that is, but it probably is
• 1448[17:33:29] <Jubei> jhutchins that's what I used to install
• 1449[17:34:21] <Jubei> but I didn't follow its suggestion to read the README ^_^ Might as well do now. thanks.
• 1450[17:34:34] <ahmadadnan> i tried both nfs v4 and v2, both cannot
• 1451[17:34:56] <ahmadadnan> im not sure about sec=sys?
• 1452[17:35:16] <jhutchins> Jubei: replaced-url
• 1453[17:36:50] <jhutchins> ahmadadnan: Things to chase are: File permissions on the source server. Share permissions configured in NFS. Permissions on the target mount point. Permissions configured in the fstab/mount command.
• 1454[17:37:21] <jhutchins> ahmadadnan: Remember that the user needs to have both write and execute permissions at the directory level.
• 1455[17:38:27] <jhutchins> ahmadadnan: That said, I've got a handful of servers where they get permission denied to mount a share that seemingly identical servers can mount, and they can mount other shares from the same server. Haven't figured that one out yet.
• 1456[17:38:27] <ahmadadnan> jhutchins : ok please wait
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• 1458[17:40:52] <ahmadadnan> this is from nfs server : drwxr-xr-x 12 111 disk 65536 Feb 24 07:36 nfs
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• 1461[17:42:47] <ahmadadnan> jhutchins : this from /etc/exports : /nfs *(rw,insecure,async,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash)
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• 1464[17:44:34] <jhutchins> ahmadadnan: replaced-url
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• 1467[17:46:21] <jhutchins> ahmadadnan: NFS can be tricky, arm yourself with as much documentation as you can stand.
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• 1482[17:56:32] <ahmadadnan> ok thanks
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• 1485[17:57:35] <aci> whan can we predict sysV replaces systemd as a better alternative in the future?
• 1486[17:57:41] <aci> a/e
• 1487[17:59:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Never?
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• 1489[17:59:15] * aci is so sad
• 1490[17:59:16] <aci> :(
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• 1492[17:59:44] <annadane> you can run debian without systemd (apparently) or just use devuan
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• 1503[18:08:59] <RoyK> wtf is so bad about systemd?
• 1504[18:09:24] <RoyK> I didn't like it at first, but now, well, it works and it makes things easy to setup
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• 1519[18:23:50] <hypn0> why are people still arguing abt it :-/
• 1520[18:24:51] <aci> We are more like the band playing when the titanic sank :)
• 1521[18:25:44] <hypn0> its sunk already, let it rust, find another ship
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• 1525[18:28:52] <alad> aci: it's one apt command away
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• 1602[19:39:12] <ahmadadnan> hi, i have a question..regarding nfs mount.. how the ownership of mount point being set? because the one that i mounted is owned by normal user, not root.
• 1603[19:39:27] <ahmadadnan> and i cant chown
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• 1611[19:44:24] <Lyberta> hi, I have a disk that apparently has some FlexNet bootloader code at sector 32, I want to completely remove it, how? I did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 and now grub-install doesn't work
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• 1613[19:46:17] <alkisg> Lyberta: by doing that, you erased your mbr completely, thus deleting all partitions too
• 1614[19:46:40] <alkisg> If you have backup, restore it from there, otherwise use testdisk to try to undelete it
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• 1661[20:37:51] <upgrade> hi all, debian 9, libgl error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so
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• 1665[20:38:19] <upgrade> how to fix this?
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• 1668[20:38:48] <annadane> upgrade, where do you get that error message? startup?
• 1669[20:39:12] <upgrade> annadane: yap, i use startx to start i3-wm
• 1670[20:39:23] <upgrade> when i exit i3 - i see this errors
• 1671[20:40:11] <upgrade> dmesg dont show any errors
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• 1695[20:59:21] <awal1> upgrade check xorg log in local/share + .xsession-errors
• 1696[20:59:46] <awal1> .local/share
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• 1701[21:07:03] <upgrade> awal1: nothing special in logs
• 1702[21:07:45] <upgrade> only what i say previous
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• 1704[21:09:28] <phamsto> hi, I've a problem. After updating debian stretch, huge files about 2.5 gb, Xfce won't start.
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• 1707[21:10:43] <phamsto> It boots only to command line.
• 1708[21:11:00] <phamsto> journal -xb replaced-url
• 1709[21:11:22] <phamsto> dmsg replaced-url
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• 1711[21:11:45] <phamsto> uname -a: Linux nelumbo 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.13-1 (2018-01-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1737[21:42:39] <doublehp> openvpn service ignores my client conf file: replaced-url
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• 1742[21:46:00] <KNERD> there is a file you have configure to uncomment so it will load all coniguration files on boot.
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• 1748[21:50:29] <doublehp> KNERD: did so, no effect
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• 1750[21:50:59] <doublehp> KNERD: /etc/default/openvpn AUTOSTART="all"
• 1751[21:51:37] <KNERD> yeah I think I had that problem also when I rebooted
• 1752[21:52:11] <KNERD> Did you put the file in the normal location as the other .conf files go, such as in the /etc/openvpn section?
• 1753[21:53:10] <doublehp> yes
• 1754[21:53:41] <doublehp> openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf ... works fine
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• 1756[21:54:35] <KNERD> i did not check to see if openvpn was running as the time of boot. Did you check?
• 1757[21:55:07] <doublehp> after service restart, process is not running
• 1758[21:55:52] <ahmadadnan> hi, i have mount nfs shared folder with the same ownership and permission of the host, however the owner of the directory is not permitted to write any file.
• 1759[21:56:00] <doublehp> I have been looking for a openvpn-client.service file, but did not see anyuthing looking like that (some daemons have two service files for client and daemon: ssh, munin, ntp ...)
• 1760[21:56:52] <KNERD> maybe it is not starting on boot (openvpn)
• 1761[21:57:30] <doublehp> ahmadadnan: this is not debian specific matter, you may ask in #linux or #networking or ##nfs . Answering to this is very complicated ; you need to at least provide the nfs server conf file (exports ? ), the mount command, and if mount is done by root or user
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• 1764[22:00:56] <doublehp> ahmadadnan: writing depends on the mount permissions, and is sensible to the squash flag
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• 1770[22:04:46] <bolovanos> hithere
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• 1772[22:07:37] <bolovanos> debian wheezy (virtual on win10, virtualbox, bridget network), eth0 up registered on router. Cannot ping router from router, virtual from router... any idea?
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• 1776[22:09:51] <doublehp> KNERD: a reboot would have fixed my issue; I just did not use Windows enough to acquire this habit. I had edited conf files properly, but /etc/default/openvpn isnot read by the service script ... but by systemctl itself. It was systemctl that needed a reload , before restarting openvpn
• 1777[22:10:25] <bolovanos> btw - changing bridged to NAT works, but I need bridged mode...
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• 1779[22:11:43] <doublehp> bolovanos: #virtualbox; you are offtopic
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• 1781[22:12:05] <doublehp> bolovanos: both modes work for me
• 1782[22:12:24] <bolovanos> doublehp, yese for me to - on another virtuals - this newly installed wheezy does not
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• 1786[22:14:30] <KNERD> doublehp: yes, but what I am wondering is OpenVPN actually running after Debian obots? ps -A | grep openvpn
• 1787[22:14:53] <vlt> Hello. On a Debian 8 machine I ran `apt update; apt upgrade` and got a new kernel and a new initrd was built. The problem: This initrd is lacking the cryptsetup binary to unlock root. When selecting an older version of initrd I saved to /boot (containing cryptsetup) I don't get any devices in /dev/disk. Any idea how to proceed?
• 1788[22:14:54] <doublehp> bolovanos: did you try to change the adapter type ? your kernel may lack driver for some NICs. I actually use bridge + intelpro1000 + promisc ALLOW + CABLE CONNECTED
• 1789[22:15:13] <doublehp> KNERD: no it was not; working now
• 1790[22:15:37] <vlt> The kernel I got now is this one: "3137776 Dec 4 03:35 vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64"
• 1791[22:16:00] <KNERD> doublehp: which means that coudl be the problem. It cannot read the conf file if it not starting
• 1792[22:16:09] <bolovanos> doublehp, good point, used bridged for wifi usb adapter...
• 1793[22:16:35] <doublehp> bolovanos: ah, you were using the wrong source iface ?
• 1794[22:16:45] <vlt> This is the new initrd: "16342136 Feb 24 10:13 initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64", this the old one: "16418618 Jun 23 2015 initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64.CRYPT" (slightly bigger).
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• 1797[22:17:54] <doublehp> vlt: that's I don't update working machines
• 1798[22:18:02] <vlt> :-D
• 1799[22:18:19] <vlt> spectre/meltdown?
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• 1801[22:19:16] <bolovanos> doublehp, no it is the right adapter, used on virtual with stretch, I was saying that maybe this usb wifi adapter is to much for old wheezy
• 1802[22:19:20] <jelly> vlt, that's not the current kernel. do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" instead of just upgrade.
• 1803[22:19:26] <vlt> Any idea why the very same kernel loads the disks (and even biulds md arrays) with the new initrd but doesn't with the old one?
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• 1805[22:19:40] <doublehp> bolovanos: wifi drivers rarely support bridging
• 1806[22:19:50] <vlt> jelly: I would like to but first have to get in.
• 1807[22:20:16] <doublehp> bolovanos: are other guests working on this same interface ?
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• 1809[22:20:48] <bolovanos> doublehp, yes
• 1810[22:20:54] <vlt> Is there a manual command to trigger the disks made available when running the kernel from December 2017 with the 2015 initrd?
• 1811[22:20:57] <doublehp> bolovanos: check steps are easy: in the guest, ifconfig, mii, dhclient, ps aux ... when this is fine, it's a host issue
• 1812[22:21:49] <vlt> The version strings are identical.
• 1813[22:21:50] <bolovanos> doublehp, ok - thank you
• 1814[22:21:52] <jelly> vlt, old initrd probably does not work with updated 3.16.0-4-amd64 kernel because the .ko modules are not actually compatible (ABI compatibility is only guaranteed for public APIs)
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• 1816[22:22:04] <vlt> damn
• 1817[22:22:04] <jelly> vlt, so boot a live usb or something
• 1818[22:22:12] <vlt> jelly: ok, thanks.
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• 1820[22:23:03] <jelly> this is one thing that ubuntu does better by pretty much updating ABI every time
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• 1822[22:23:30] <jelly> downside is you have a dozen old kernels and initrds and your /boot needs to be large
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• 1835[22:36:55] <doublehp> is there a clean debian way to switch my /etc/apt/sources.list from jessie to stretch better than vim ?
• 1836[22:38:17] <annadane> nano
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• 1838[22:40:24] <KNERD> kedit :-p
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• 1841[22:41:46] <jelly> no, vim is objectively the best
• 1842[22:41:58] <jelly> !start an editor war
• 1843[22:41:58] <dpkg> joe bites!
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• 1845[22:45:25] <petn-randall> A magnetic needle and a steady hand!
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• 1847[22:46:07] <teatime> no one said sed ;)
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• 1851[22:49:56] <KNERD> what a sed case
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• 1853[22:51:45] <doublehp> sed -i 's|jessie|stretch|' /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 1855[22:52:28] <sinooko> Hello
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• 1860[22:54:49] <sinooko> Are all debian repos open source?
• 1861[22:58:11] <jelly> sinooko, all the default ones are. Debian mirrors also distribute a small amount of non-free software, and open source that depends on non-free components.
• 1862[22:58:18] <jelly> those are not enabled by default
• 1863[22:58:22] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 1864[22:58:23] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 1865[22:58:33] <jelly> !non-free
• 1866[22:58:34] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 1867[22:58:35] <jelly> !non-free
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• 1870[22:59:26] <init7> hi there could someone help me to return iptables rules to default because I can't connect to my server or recieve data from any connection type ! HELP
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• 1872[23:00:10] <petn-randall> init7: What rules did you add that made the machine unavailable?
• 1873[23:00:15] <jelly> init7, do you have access to console or some other way to open a root shell?
• 1874[23:00:16] <nsgn> I used dkms to build an out of tree kernel module for hardware support on this laptop. I ended up pulling the wrong source from git and need to redo this from the correct source. when I get the correct files from git and run dkms I'm told "already installed". How do I remove the previous version so I can get the right one in here?
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• 1876[23:00:40] <init7> jelly: yeah via VNC I am in the root but I don't know how to solve that :( may you help me ?
• 1877[23:00:48] <nsgn> It seems like it would be exceedingly obvious but some bit of googling can't seem to get me there
• 1878[23:00:58] <init7> petn-randall: I don't know I didn't add any rule :(
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• 1880[23:01:16] <jelly> init7, does "iptables-save" command show any output?
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• 1882[23:02:22] <init7> jelly: yeah I'll sent you the data right now please wait
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• 1884[23:02:46] <sinooko> jelly If I wanted to contribute to a particular item in the repo how might I go about finding the source code and contributing? I have tried searching github via various application names, but I am not finding anything?
• 1885[23:03:02] <sinooko> Or I'm finding soemthing that looks simiar, but i'm not sure.
• 1886[23:03:38] <init7> jelly: sorry for providing data by the PIC but I couldn't copy the text via VNC Viewer :( replaced-url
• 1887[23:04:05] <jelly> sinooko, which item? File a bug report with patches included, or contact the maintainer for that package.
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• 1889[23:04:48] <petn-randall> init7: Ok, what makes you think the iptables rules are fault for the machine being unreachable? Because I can't see any iptables rules.
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• 1891[23:05:29] <sinooko> jelly in general, I enjoy coding and I want to flex that part of my brain towards something useful. Is it a package maintainer's prerogative to accept help?
• 1892[23:05:49] <init7> petn-randall: because you can't even PING my machine :( I fixed one time by iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT but I don't even remember how I did it ;(
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• 1895[23:06:30] <init7> petn-randall: I can't even ping google.com from my machine :O
• 1896[23:06:35] <petn-randall> init7: Ok, iptables rules are not the only reason a machine can be unreachable. I'm guessing the network settings are wrong or non-existant.
• 1897[23:06:44] <sinooko> sorry, i know I'm asking a very borad series of questions while other's are being far more specific :P
• 1898[23:06:50] <sinooko> broad*
• 1899[23:06:55] <petn-randall> init7: I'm saying that because there are *no* iptables rules whatsoever on that machine.
• 1900[23:07:06] <jelly> sinooko, which package are you talking about?
• 1901[23:07:11] <init7> petn-randall: How I can solve this may you give me a clue ?!
• 1902[23:07:33] <petn-randall> init7: Can you show us the output of 'ifconfig' and 'route -n'?
• 1903[23:07:54] <init7> petn-randall: yeah sure
• 1904[23:08:10] <sinooko> I dunno yet, I'm just trying to get an idea of how to proceed. My sort of plan at this point is to try and find a package that I would like to contribute to, but once found I'm not really sure what the next step might be.
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• 1906[23:09:04] <jelly> init7, you have default empty iptables with all policies set to ACCEPT. It's not iptables that is broken.
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• 1909[23:10:21] <petn-randall> sinooko: In general, it's a good idea to start helping out by triaging and fixing bugs. The BTS is actually open for anyone to edit bugs, thought the interface is a little special.
• 1910[23:10:24] <init7> jelly: :( wait Ill provide the data that petn-randall requested
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• 1912[23:10:38] <sinooko> BTS?
• 1913[23:10:47] <jelly> !bts
• 1914[23:10:47] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 1915[23:10:48] <petn-randall> sinooko: bug tracking system
• 1916[23:10:55] <sinooko> oooh
• 1917[23:11:01] <petn-randall> sinooko: Anything special you're interested in?
• 1918[23:11:26] <init7> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1921[23:12:34] <init7> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1923[23:13:08] <sinooko> I dunno, is here a shallow end? :P
• 1924[23:13:19] <petn-randall> init7: Can you ping 173.212.248.1?
• 1925[23:14:05] <init7> petn-randall: host unreacable :(
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• 1928[23:14:17] <petn-randall> sinooko: There are bugs that have newcomer tags, they're usually a good starting point.
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• 1930[23:14:31] <petn-randall> sinooko: Also #debian-mentors is a good place to start out.
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• 1932[23:14:44] <petn-randall> init7: That's you problem then. Your gateway is unreachable.
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• 1934[23:14:55] <jelly> sinooko, also, you could install how-can-i-help, run it, see which pieces of software you have installed it complains about
• 1935[23:15:01] <init7> petn-randall: how can I solve this problem ?!
• 1936[23:15:11] <sinooko> oh fantastic, thanks for that info
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• 1940[23:19:09] <jelly> init7, unless if goes away by "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" or rebooting, contact your provider. which debian release is this supposed to be?
• 1941[23:20:22] <jelly> 173.212.248.1 is pingable from outside so it's reasonable to assume it ought to work from local lan as well
• 1942[23:20:31] *** Quits: doublehp (~DoubleHP@replaced-ip) (Quit: Leaving.)
• 1943[23:21:22] <teatime> what is it? I've been bitten by e.g. anycast addrs that pingable from some places
• 1944[23:21:29] <init7> jelly: replaced-url
• 1945[23:21:49] *** Quits: beaver (~none@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
• 1946[23:22:23] <init7> jelly: replaced-url
• 1947[23:22:27] *** Quits: fiet (~nobody@replaced-ip) (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)
• 1948[23:22:50] <sinooko> Thank you guys for all the info, that helped alot
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• 1950[23:23:31] *** Quits: afx_ (~afx_@replaced-ip) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
• 1951[23:25:53] <init7> jelly: try ping nit.mindhackers.org
• 1952[23:26:01] *** Joins: bazquxer (~bazquxer@replaced-ip)
• 1953[23:26:49] <jelly> that fails
• 1954[23:27:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1376
• 1955[23:27:41] <init7> jelly: that's my VPS IP
• 1956[23:28:12] *** Quits: xcm (~xcm@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
• 1957[23:28:29] <jelly> yes, that hostname points to your IP
• 1958[23:28:48] <init7> jelly: but damn I don't have a clue how to fix this :@
• 1959[23:29:06] *** Joins: xcm (~xcm@replaced-ip)
• 1960[23:29:30] <jelly> init7, try to reset network connectivity by doing "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" or try rebooting, else contact your provider.
• 1961[23:30:29] <init7> jelly: it shows just Waiting for DAD... Done.
• 1962[23:31:07] *** Joins: dvs (~hibbard@replaced-ip)
• 1963[23:31:15] <init7> jelly: I tried rebooting and stuff nothing seem to work
• 1964[23:31:44] <jelly> then contact your provider
• 1965[23:32:07] *** Joins: paulgrmn_ (~paulgrmn@replaced-ip)
• 1966[23:32:41] <init7> jelly: I just sent a letter and I sent PING data that shows it's not reachable my server :(
• 1967[23:33:11] <jelly> I don't think there's much more you can do, from your end
• 1968[23:34:14] *** Quits: krytarik (~krytarik@replaced-ip) (Quit: Verlassend)
• 1969[23:34:22] *** Quits: nobodi (~nobodi@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
• 1970[23:34:25] <init7> jelly: yeah I guess
• 1971[23:34:37] *** Quits: paulgrmn__ (~paulgrmn@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
• 1972[23:35:14] <jelly> maybe run "tcpdump -ni eth0" and see if there's ANY traffic on the device, see if "arp -an" contains an entry for gateway IP after trying to ping it, and give them that infromation as well
• 1973[23:35:49] <jelly> in addition to ifconfig and route -n showing your local network setup is not broken
• 1974[23:35:56] *** Quits: nsgn (~nsgn@replaced-ip) (Quit: Leaving)
• 1975[23:36:34] <init7> jelly: tcpdump -ni eth0 shows command unknown and the arp -an shows no data
• 1976[23:37:09] *** Joins: paulgrmn__ (~paulgrmn@replaced-ip)
• 1977[23:37:35] <jelly> so it's likely something broke the network for that VM outside the VM.
• 1978[23:37:57] <init7> jelly: damn they are so shitty providers hahaha
• 1979[23:37:57] <jelly> init7, you could power it off and back on, maybe
• 1980[23:37:58] *** Quits: dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
• 1981[23:38:12] <init7> jelly: I reboot my server but nothing changed
• 1982[23:38:24] <jelly> not just reboot. power cycle.
• 1983[23:38:35] *** Joins: qtfy (~qtfy@replaced-ip)
• 1984[23:38:53] <init7> jelly: you mean SHUT IT DOWN AND STARTUP AGAIN !?!
• 1985[23:39:04] <jelly> power it off, and back on.
• 1986[23:39:13] *** Quits: paulgrmn_ (~paulgrmn@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
• 1987[23:39:21] *** Quits: LucaTM (~LucaTM@replaced-ip) (Quit: To infinity and beyond...)
• 1988[23:39:39] <jelly> that usually does not lose data on disk.
• 1989[23:39:44] <init7> jelly: The start request has been successful. Your VPS is booting now and will be online in a few minutes. If it does not come online, please check its status via VNC.
• 1990[23:40:42] <init7> jelly: yeah now it pings but my vps isn't online not yet
• 1991[23:41:33] <jelly> what pings?
• 1992[23:41:55] <init7> jelly: ping nit.mindhackers.org
• 1993[23:42:29] <jelly> if you haven't rebooted in a while and you did not take precautions, it will run fsck on all the filesystmes
• 1994[23:43:04] <jelly> you can open the console again to see what it's doing
• 1995[23:44:46] <init7> fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 jelly
• 1996[23:45:23] <init7> jelly: weird I can't ping nit.mindhackers.org on the machine but outside machine now works from my home PC :O
• 1997[23:46:06] <jelly> uh, you can't even log in yet, not until the boot process is finished
• 1998[23:46:13] <jelly> this is normal, let it run
• 1999[23:46:50] <init7> jelly: now it works I just typped iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT .... OUTPUT and FORWARD how do I save those IPTABLES now ?!
• 2000[23:47:07] <jelly> why did you do that?
• 2001[23:47:21] *** Quits: _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@replaced-ip) (Quit: Leaving)
• 2002[23:47:25] <init7> jelly: because I can't even to ping from my machine till I did that
• 2003[23:47:44] <jelly> init7, did you look at the state of iptables before you did it?
• 2004[23:47:54] <init7> jelly: nope :(
• 2005[23:48:05] <pgunnars> dont seem to be finding a cuda installation guide that just works, any1 got the scoop?
• 2006[23:48:11] <jelly> init7, did you log in as root before that?
• 2007[23:48:13] <pgunnars> for debian that is
• 2008[23:48:27] <init7> jelly: yeah I am loged in as root
• 2009[23:48:31] *** Quits: roshanavand (~mos@replaced-ip) (Read error: No route to host)
• 2010[23:48:35] <init7> jelly: via VNS
• 2011[23:48:37] <init7> VNC
• 2012[23:48:43] *** Quits: bebo (~bertbob@replaced-ip) (Quit: Eschew obfuscation.)
• 2013[23:48:43] *** Quits: qtfy (~qtfy@replaced-ip) (Quit: bye)
• 2014[23:49:31] <jelly> init7, go reboot again to get a default state. Then, look at iptables BEFORE making any changes.
• 2015[23:49:56] *** Quits: DrWatson (~DrWatson_@replaced-ip) (Quit: DrWatson)
• 2016[23:49:57] <jelly> init7, I bet what you did did not change anything. Debian defaults to ACCEPT policy.
• 2017[23:50:27] <init7> jelly: tell me how do I check the iptables state by typping iptables-save yeah ?!
• 2018[23:50:34] <jelly> yes.
• 2019[23:50:41] <jelly> also you should be able to ssh in now.
• 2020[23:50:55] <init7> okay
• 2021[23:50:55] *** Quits: Spr1ng (~Spr1ng@replaced-ip) (Quit: WeeChat 1.9)
• 2022[23:51:17] <init7> jelly: I will reboot then check for that ;)
• 2023[23:55:31] <init7> jelly: It rebooted but can't ping and nothing I am in via SSH
• 2024[23:55:37] <init7> jelly: I mean via VNS
• 2025[23:55:38] *** Quits: llorephie (~llorephie@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
• 2026[23:56:40] <init7> jelly: replaced-url
• 2027[23:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1366
• 2028[23:57:15] *** Quits: Highlander (~alain@replaced-ip) (Quit: Highlander)
• 2029[23:58:49] *** Quits: booyah (~bb@replaced-ip) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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