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2 [00:00:49] <Bliepo32> Hello everyone, I have a network card (HP NC375T PCI Express Quad Port Gigabit Server Adapter) that uses the netxen firmware package, but it doesn't work
3 [00:01:14] <Bliepo32> There are official HP drivers for RHEL and SUSE, will those work on Debian?
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15 [00:17:58] <somiaj> Bliepo32: I would try the firmware-netxen package from non-free, that might be enough.
16 [00:18:09] <somiaj> I would first try to solve the issue using software from inside of debian
17 [00:18:22] <Bliepo32> somiaj I tried, and even tried backports, but no luck
18 [00:19:01] <somiaj> How does hp provide the drivers, are they a module you ahve to compile against a kernel?
19 [00:19:19] <Bliepo32> Binary
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24 [00:20:02] <somiaj> usually the binary needs to be compiled against the kernel, you can install build-essential and linux-headers-amd64 (or the relvenant kernel)
25 [00:21:29] <Bliepo32> I feared as much - so trying to match the binary that was compiled to a kernel close in terms of version numbers won't do the trick then?
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28 [00:23:01] <somiaj> usually not. When you used the firmware, what sort of errors do you get with the card?
29 [00:23:33] <Bliepo32> error getting board config info
30 [00:24:35] <somiaj> only hits I'm getting about that chipset seem to be older, so unsure what to suggest.
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32 [00:25:19] <Bliepo32> Yeah, I pretty much scoured the net, but no luck
33 [00:25:22] <Bliepo32> Thanks for the help
34 [00:25:45] <Bliepo32> I just looked into it and the binaries are only for 3.x kernels and I'm on 4.x
35 [00:25:57] <Bliepo32> So that's not gonna work
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69 [01:07:01] <martian67> hello, i have installed apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges how do i have them automaticly invoked at package install time?
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71 [01:07:16] <martian67> as in have it warn before sid breaks my system :)
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73 [01:07:37] <jak2000> jelly? are you there?
74 [01:07:48] <martian67> ah it seems it does by by default when you install
75 [01:07:48] <martian67> cool
76 [01:07:55] <jak2000> Iridos are you there? man
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78 [01:08:02] <rant> martian67: mind you I have not used those in about a decade, but last I used them, they run automatically during the install process
79 [01:08:53] <rant> jak2000: its pretty late in their tz, you need help with something you should probably just ask
80 [01:11:19] <rant> IIRC they are both in GMT+1 which is currently 1:11am
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82 [01:13:06] <rant> Bliepo32: maybe something like ndiswrapper could help?
83 [01:13:31] <Bliepo32> Is it possible to load the windows driver?
84 [01:13:47] <rant> I never tried it.. but that was the idea behind ndiswrapper
85 [01:13:52] <rant> !ndiswrapper
86 [01:13:53] <dpkg> NDISwrapper enables the use of Windows XP (not Vista/7/8) network device drivers within the Linux kernel (x86 and x86-64 systems only). If a Linux kernel driver is available for your device, consider using that instead; for wireless LAN devices, ask me about <wireless>. To install NDISwrapper on Debian systems, see replaced-url
87 [01:14:12] <Bliepo32> I guess it's worth a shot
88 [01:14:25] <rant> if you have no other viable option, it seems so
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90 [01:15:54] <RoyK> Bliepo32: what sort of driver?
91 [01:16:03] <rant> Bliepo32: because without source, you'd be stuck on an outdated kernel putting your system at risk.. at least if the ndiswrapper would work, you can still maintain kernel updates with that
92 [01:16:11] <Bliepo32> replaced-url
93 [01:16:37] <RoyK> oh - qlogic
94 [01:16:50] <Bliepo32> yup
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97 [01:17:39] <RoyK> FC?
98 [01:17:49] <Bliepo32> ?
99 [01:18:01] <RoyK> fibrechannel?
100 [01:18:04] <rant> HP NC375T PCI Express Quad Port Gigabit Server Adapter is what was said earlier
101 [01:18:15] <Bliepo32> No, not fibre channel
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104 [01:18:22] <RoyK> ok - get something from intel instead
105 [01:18:28] <RoyK> easy fix
106 [01:18:43] <RoyK> doesn't cost a lot either
107 [01:18:44] <Bliepo32> I'll try ndiswrapper
108 [01:18:49] <RoyK> just don't
109 [01:18:54] <RoyK> it's outdated
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112 [01:19:10] <RoyK> intel cards just work
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114 [01:19:37] <Bliepo32> I guess I'll research a little more
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116 [01:19:54] <rant> I'm no network guru but I have a hard time understanding what a box would need more than two network ports for
117 [01:20:06] <RoyK> and then, after a ton of reasearch, and *then* getting that intel card, post an email to qlogic and tell them why
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119 [01:20:29] <RoyK> rant: there are several reasons for using multiple ports - read up ;)
120 [01:20:30] <metastable> rant: I use 8 on my hypervisors. 4 for VMs, 4 for storage.
121 [01:21:01] <RoyK> trunking or whatever you wanna call it is nice
122 [01:21:02] <metastable> rant: There are gobs of reasons for multiple NICs.
123 [01:21:05] <RoyK> more bandwidth
124 [01:21:16] <RoyK> more redundancy
125 [01:21:18] <RoyK> trallalla
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127 [01:21:34] <RoyK> the list is long as your arm
128 [01:21:37] <rant> guess I never did anything that high scale :P
129 [01:21:54] <RoyK> we're trunking 10Gb links
130 [01:22:06] <metastable> rant: It's not high scale. I deal with 10Gb and 40Gb links fairly commonly.
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132 [01:22:13] <RoyK> usually for redundancy, but sometimes for bandwidth as well
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134 [01:23:18] <rant> yeah thats aweful high redundancy. I've done things like that but I never felt the need for more than two interfaces
135 [01:23:20] * RoyK hands rant a 3c509 card
136 [01:23:25] <rant> hah
137 [01:23:37] <rant> I had and probably still have a bunch of those ol 3com cards
138 [01:23:45] <RoyK> hehe
139 [01:24:01] <rant> used to love em back i nthe day when it was hard to find cards that worked right with linux
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144 [01:25:33] <RoyK> rant: most of our stuff is virtual, but some machines are physical, and for those, we use dual 10G ports with link bonding
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147 [01:27:03] <rant> I felt I'd known enough networking to get by, but ever since IPv6 and TLS everywhere I think I need to go back to school :P
148 [01:27:41] <RoyK> rant: IPv6 isn't that hard, neither is TLS
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150 [01:28:03] <RoyK> rant: try youtube ,)
151 [01:28:04] <RoyK> ;)
152 [01:28:10] <rant> I just suggested ndiswrapper.. that should tell you how long its been since I had a crash course in networking .. heh
153 [01:28:37] <rant> last internet related thing I recall learning was CSS2
154 [01:28:40] <RoyK> hm - perhaps try IPX instead?
155 [01:29:09] <rant> I used to use that a lot too.. pc gaming when I was a kid with my brothers.. back before we had networks in every home
156 [01:29:29] <rant> the ol null modem
157 [01:29:58] * RoyK used to be a master CNE on netware 4.11 and 5 and knows his way around IPX (whatever he remembers)
158 [01:30:12] <dongcarl> Quick question: is /etc/rc.local still the best way to do a startup script in jessie?
159 [01:30:28] <RoyK> dongcarl: not with systemd
160 [01:30:48] <RoyK> dongcarl: better write a systemd service for it - it's not hard
161 [01:30:51] <rant> it also depends on what you're doing because there may already be a unit you can hook
162 [01:31:17] <dongcarl> I see... What if I wanna just do some `ip` and `brctl` commands
163 [01:31:17] <rant> if it has anything to do with HW you can probably hook udev for example
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165 [01:31:37] <RoyK> dongcarl: those epend on udev and network
166 [01:32:06] <RoyK> dongcarl: read up bit on systemd - it's not that hard
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168 [01:32:22] <dongcarl> Okay
169 [01:32:30] <metastable> dongcarl: If you're trying to set up a bridge, /etc/network/interfaces can do that natively.
170 [01:32:41] * rant tattos "it's not that hard" on RoyK
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173 [01:33:59] <rant> yes I'd always done it in interfaces.. but I'm not certain what respects that these days.. I think NM will leave an already configured iface alone anyhow
174 [01:34:00] <RoyK> perhaps I should have that tattoo
175 [01:35:00] <rant> I'm willing to bet sussudio could tell us how many times you've said that in here :P
176 [01:35:18] <RoyK> not too many
177 [01:35:21] <metastable> NM can do bridges as well.
178 [01:35:25] <metastable> As can systemd-networkd.
179 [01:35:59] <RoyK> metastable: do those two compete?
180 [01:36:14] <metastable> Generally, you should only use one at a time.
181 [01:36:23] <RoyK> replaced-url
182 [01:36:23] <dongcarl> metastable: hmmm, yeah maybe that's better
183 [01:36:57] <metastable> dongcarl: Versus manual commands? Uh, yeah, it's definitely better.
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185 [01:38:32] <rant> dongcarl: the takeaway here is, try zoom out when you come to ask stuff, rather than quick specific questions, sometimes its better to explain what you are trying to do and let us help you brainstorm on solutions.
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207 [01:56:21] <jak2000> rant thanks
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209 [01:56:28] <jak2000> how to get the actual date - 1 day in this format yyyy/mm/dd ?
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216 [02:00:03] <fuby> hi, i just installed debian on a second harddrive. the first one has win10 installed. i installed grub but, something went wrong. i can only select debian. could someone help me?
217 [02:00:29] <Bliepo> To those helping me earlier with the network card issue (QLogic): replaced-url
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219 [02:00:43] <fuby> i installed grub on the first harddrive
220 [02:00:46] <metastable> jak2000: You asked that earlier. 'man date'.
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222 [02:01:16] <metastable> fuby: Windows 10 is almost always EFI-based. Did you install Debian in EFI mode, or BIOS mode?
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226 [02:01:28] <fuby> i did not enforce efi
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229 [02:02:18] <fuby> metastable:
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236 [02:06:00] <metastable> fuby: Then it's possible that GRUB is unaware of Windows 10's existence.
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240 [02:07:14] <fuby> metastable: hm, is there anything i can do?
241 [02:08:22] <somiaj> when booted into debian, install os-prober, it can try to detect and make the windows boot available.
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274 [02:33:13] <TomTheDragon> I'm thinking of porting a lower baseline of Debian (yay) but I'd really rather be able to support the higher ones too, seamlessly.
275 [02:34:30] <TomTheDragon> clang is starting to look pretty cool with its bytecode embedding. however, would I be better off with dragonegg since everything won't build with clang? or would I be even worse off.
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283 [02:41:09] <levkusanagi> Dear #emacs, here's an unoriginal question: Is there a nice all-green matrix theme? I only really care about the background being black and everything else being pure green (#00ff00)
284 [02:41:23] <levkusanagi> I love retro-orange. An equivalent in green would be perfect.
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286 [02:41:45] <levkusanagi> OOps, I'm not on #emacs :D Sorry fellas
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353 [03:52:24] <kion> I just set a Debian server and the first user is "admin", how can I change the user's name so it is no longer admin, because admin is the user everybody tries for hacking ssh
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355 [03:56:45] <acidtripper> kion,
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357 [03:56:52] <sdk> kion: usermod -l username new_username
358 [03:56:54] <acidtripper> usermod -l newuser olduser
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360 [03:57:40] <sdk> oh my bad acidtripper is right
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364 [04:02:01] <kion> acidtripper, will it break something having my file structure of /home/olduser ?
365 [04:02:53] <sdk> " The name of the user will be changed from LOGIN to NEW_LOGIN. Nothing else is changed. In particular, the user's home directory or mail spool should probably be renamed
366 [04:02:55] <sdk> manually to reflect the new login name."y
367 [04:03:00] <sdk> From the manpage
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372 [04:04:15] <kion> sdk, so now my command to log into ssh will be "ssh new_user@host ? "
373 [04:04:33] <sdk> kion: yep
374 [04:05:54] <acidtripper> root user
375 [04:06:05] <acidtripper> does not have /home/**
376 [04:06:58] <metastable> I hope we're not SSHing as root...
377 [04:07:48] <sdk> metastable: #yolo :)
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379 [04:09:36] <pztrick> kion: you can also look into using SSH keypairs and disabling password logins over SSH (only allow password at physical console)
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387 [04:21:23] <kion> pztrick, I am already using ssh keys for logins, but thought why not also change the name...
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406 [04:41:02] <kion> pztrick, But I am concearned about PAM authentication, since I don't understand it and I am afraid it might override my other settings... how to know?
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409 [04:46:17] <jak2000> metastable
410 [04:46:22] <jak2000> but how minus 1 day?
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412 [04:50:37] <metastable> You do realize that 'man date' describes this fairly openly, yes?
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415 [04:53:36] <jak2000> ok
416 [04:53:38] <jak2000> thanks
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435 [05:15:43] <rant> kion: I disable pam entirely in my sshd_config after my keys are setup. there is no need for PAM when using ssh keys
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508 [06:33:13] <goldstar> just installed debian 8.10, and there are no repo files in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d dir - anyone know where they are stored ?
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510 [06:36:28] <towo^work> goldstar, /etc/apt/sources.list
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512 [06:37:28] <goldstar> towo^work, cheers
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521 [06:47:37] <BillyCrook> I'm experimentig with preseeds and I was comparing Debian Jessie and Stretch, and I noticed that Jessie has less straight after the preseed install, but Stretch does not, even though the two preseed files are nearly identical. No differences regarding packaging. Why then does one have less and one not?
522 [06:50:12] <BillyCrook> I know there's different tasksel's available. but I haven't installed any tasksels in either case
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530 [07:00:07] <Agafnd> say, a while ago i switched to kernel version 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, and now that the latest mainline release is out, i'd like to switch to that.
531 [07:00:34] <Agafnd> how can i do this? apt upgrade seemed to install the mainline kernel, but a reboot changes nothing
532 [07:00:47] <Agafnd> is it just a matter of apt install?
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537 [07:05:06] <somiaj> ,kernels
538 [07:05:08] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
539 [07:05:08] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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541 [07:05:32] <somiaj> Agafnd: unless you want to compile your own kernel, you'll have to wait for a while for a newer kernel to make it into stretch-backports (assuming you are wanting 4.15?)
542 [07:05:41] <Agafnd> i believe i want 4.9.82-1+deb9u2
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544 [07:06:02] <Agafnd> i meant, i want the kernel that's recently been put in the main debian repository
545 [07:06:24] <somiaj> oh you want the new debian security kernel. If you have debian security kernel you can get it with apt install linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 (Assuming amd64 kernel)
546 [07:06:25] <Agafnd> 'cause it's supposed to have fixed a bug that's the reason i'm using the backports kernel
547 [07:06:35] <Agafnd> somiaj: thanks
548 [07:06:52] <Agafnd> (it also has meltdown fix!)
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550 [07:06:58] <somiaj> you may want to run apt policy linux-image-amd64, then run apt install linux-image-amd64=version (where version is what you get from the version for the on in stretch-security
551 [07:07:15] <somiaj> correct, though the meltdown fix has been in debian for a while, this now contains ratploine to help against spectre
552 [07:07:32] <somiaj> still suggested you update your firmware if your hardware company released any updates
553 [07:07:37] <Agafnd> right, though as far as i know it's not in the backports?
554 [07:07:50] <somiaj> it won't be until it makes it into buster
555 [07:07:57] <Agafnd> aha
556 [07:08:21] <Agafnd> anyway -- assuming this bug's fixed -- i'd rather use the security kernel
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560 [07:13:42] <Agafnd> hm, i ran apt install linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64, but uname -a still reports a backports kernel?
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562 [07:13:53] <Agafnd> do i need to uninstall the backports kernel
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570 [07:17:53] <Agafnd> somiaj: ^ ?
571 [07:18:19] <ollien> Sorry if this isn't the right place. I've recently inherited a debian mirror. I ran ftpsync a while ago to try and get everything up and running, and it's been running for a few hours now. Should I worry? Is there a way to check the status?
572 [07:18:57] <somiaj> Agafnd: There are other ways to change which one is default, but uninstalling it would be easiest
573 [07:19:06] <Agafnd> alright
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575 [07:19:29] <Agafnd> just a simple apt remove, no?
576 [07:19:37] <somiaj> Agafnd: yes
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580 [07:21:02] <Agafnd> er. it warns me strongly against removing a kernel i am running
581 [07:21:18] <Agafnd> but i assume, if i have the new kernel installed, it will just pick that up at reboot?
582 [07:21:31] <Agafnd> or is another course wiser
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584 [07:29:39] <Agafnd> somiaj: what are those "other ways to change" you speak of
585 [07:30:46] <somiaj> Agafnd: you can configure grub's default kernel. I think /etc/default/grub is one place to do this
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588 [07:33:15] <Agafnd> hm, seems i want to use "grub-mkconfig"
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606 [07:51:11] <confrey> hi everybody
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610 [07:53:52] <confrey> I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a rott shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas?
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637 [08:27:08] <confrey> please help me
638 [08:27:11] <confrey> I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a rott shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas?
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762 [08:35:30] <confrey> I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a rott shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas?
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1082 [09:48:23] <galegosimpatico> Reinstall it!
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1085 [09:51:53] <confrey> galegosimpatico, eh come faccio, devo scoprire la causa, perché anche una Mint 18.3 installata a fianco ha lo stesso problema
1086 [09:52:04] <confrey> ops excuse me
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1089 [09:53:48] <confrey> I don't want to simply reinstall it, I need to figure oute the cause because I have another Linux installaiton (LinuxMint 18.3) in other partition not booting anymore, like Debian; I'm on a MX 16 now, hoping it'll continue to work....
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1092 [09:55:17] <petererer> Hmm, yet another dist-upgrade for a security fix :S
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1106 [10:05:48] <galegosimpatico> So all your data is already correctly separated from the OS. Reinstall it!
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1110 [10:07:24] <Iridos> confrey, they are probably mounted read-only and you have to fsck them?
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1124 [10:17:36] <JustASlacker> does NFS client need rpcbind running?
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1130 [10:21:35] <Ool> JustASlacker: apt show nfs-common and you can see the dependences
1131 [10:22:45] <teatime> although that isn't really an answer
1132 [10:22:47] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1133 [10:24:13] <JustASlacker> well, nfs-common is for servers as well
1134 [10:24:42] <tobiasBora> A friend of mine has a computer running debian (same problem on last ubuntu install). Sometime the computer just freeze randomly, and we can't avoid hard reboot (power button). However, when he restart, he always fall on grub console saying "error: unknow filesystem". So we reinstall, and a few mn later, same bug occurs... The disk is a SSD can it explain this bug somehow?
1135 [10:24:59] <JustASlacker> its broken
1136 [10:25:05] <teatime> that'd be my guess
1137 [10:25:23] <Ool> JustASlacker: you need more for the server part
1138 [10:25:37] <JustASlacker> but you need nfs-common too
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1140 [10:25:54] <Iridos> that's why it's called "common" ^^
1141 [10:26:07] <JustASlacker> I really hate nfs
1142 [10:26:21] <Iridos> "no fucking security" "No files served" –…
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1145 [10:27:09] <teatime> I'm embarassed that I never really learned anything about NFS
1146 [10:27:16] <Iridos> but it's been around for about a hundred years… just google for one of the gazillion howtos or tutorials…
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1148 [10:27:24] <Iridos> we even run it… but I didn't set it up
1149 [10:27:26] <teatime> like, I call myself a sr. linux sysadmin, I should really know the answer to your question
1150 [10:27:35] <JustASlacker> Im in the same boat
1151 [10:27:41] <darxmurf> then fight with old systems, files with accents and weird char and turn crazy
1152 [10:27:42] <teatime> I think the answer is no, and rpcbind isn't even required at all anymore for all installs/configurations
1153 [10:27:42] <darxmurf> :D
1154 [10:27:44] <JustASlacker> but now Im trying to do nfs with ansible
1155 [10:27:48] <teatime> but I don't really know
1156 [10:27:48] <JustASlacker> makes me nervous
1157 [10:27:59] <Iridos> haha
1158 [10:28:06] <JustASlacker> bad enough when its a single machine
1159 [10:28:08] <Iridos> that sounds… simple
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1161 [10:28:37] <darxmurf> I'm migrating an old NetApp server... to a new storage system... holly f*ck...
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1163 [10:29:04] * JustASlacker just starts rpcbind
1164 [10:30:06] <Iridos> but you're lucky… we're having new NetApp storage… and that's not really netapp
1165 [10:30:13] <Iridos> moar fun
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1167 [10:31:09] <darxmurf> do you have also dumb users storing files with ultra long filenames with all possible ASCII characters ?
1168 [10:31:49] <JustASlacker> be glad its just ascii
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1170 [10:32:17] <JustASlacker> url's with utf-8 are also bad
1171 [10:32:19] <darxmurf> well no... I mean UTF8 stuff...
1172 [10:32:26] <darxmurf> russian, chineese and all
1173 [10:32:45] <teatime> in unix, filenames are just bytes. arbitrary bytes are fine, invalid utf8 is fine, etc.
1174 [10:32:54] <acidtripper> did exist vote for introducing systemd?
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1176 [10:33:01] <teatime> only real issue is that the same unicode string can be normalized different ways
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1178 [10:33:07] <acidtripper> or how was that part in the community ?
1179 [10:33:25] <teatime> acidtripper: yes. google about it. it was a long drawn-out debate, that imo did a lot of damage to debian project.
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1182 [10:33:44] <acidtripper> and continue doin it, i'll check.
1183 [10:33:55] <acidtripper> any idea about percentage?
1184 [10:34:02] <teatime> I have no idea what you are asking.
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1186 [10:34:23] <teatime> there was no vote among users; that's not how debian works.
1187 [10:34:33] <darxmurf> I can't rsync those files
1188 [10:34:38] <darxmurf> anyway, I hate users :-)
1189 [10:35:08] <bogus-> who doesn't
1190 [10:36:19] <acidtripper> how decision was?
1191 [10:36:28] <teatime> google it.
1192 [10:36:32] <acidtripper> not talking about users, talking about developers
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1195 [10:37:56] <bazhang> acidtripper, great topic for #debian-offtopic
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1216 [10:50:24] <wrksx> hey there. I use a domain name (let's say dn.com) and I want to configure rdns, hostname and fqdn properly so it makes sense for the outside, for me as the sysadmin, and specially for sending email (seems that there are lots of checks on the domain and hostname)
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1219 [10:51:33] <wrksx> So what I'd like is to call my box 'mybox' (hostname) and use the domain name so I end up with a fqdn mybox.dn.com
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1222 [10:52:24] <wrksx> But then, what should I point my reverse dns to ? dn.com or mybox.dn.com ?
1223 [10:52:32] <teatime> wrksx: the best way, if practical, is have a line in /etc/hosts that looks like '1.2.3.4 mybox.dn.com mybox' + set /etc/hostname to 'mybox'
1224 [10:52:50] <teatime> and 1.2.3.4 is your actual public ip addr
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1226 [10:53:35] <teatime> PTR record should point to mybox.dn.com, forward and reverse resolution should be consistent
1227 [10:53:36] <wrksx> teatime, alright makes sense config wise
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1229 [10:54:18] <wrksx> teatime, but this server runs my webserver, and I need it to answer to dn.com without subdomain
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1231 [10:54:44] <teatime> that's fine, it can do that fine, just make an additional A record for dn.com to the same IP addr
1232 [10:55:22] <wrksx> teatime, yeah right makes sense
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1235 [10:56:36] <wrksx> teatime, thanks for the input =)
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1242 [11:04:49] <anonyM0use> hello everyone , I am facing a issue with my wifi card
1243 [11:05:11] <anonyM0use> The Problem : My wifi gets hardware disabled after I put my laptop back from sleep/suspend mode
1244 [11:05:22] <anonyM0use> It doesn't happen in windows
1245 [11:05:26] <anonyM0use> I am using kali
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1247 [11:05:45] <anonyM0use> I tried my airplane mode switch but it doesn't do anything ,however other multimedia buttons do work
1248 [11:05:50] <teatime> !kali
1249 [11:05:50] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1251 [11:06:03] <anonyM0use> this is my device replaced-url
1252 [11:06:13] <anonyM0use> I am reading this replaced-url
1253 [11:06:15] <teatime> but try the rfkill package/program
1254 [11:06:29] <anonyM0use> it's hardware blocked
1255 [11:06:38] <teatime> ok, well, we don't support kali or hardware issues here
1256 [11:06:48] <anonyM0use> it's not a kali issue
1257 [11:06:50] <bazhang> #kali-linux for kali anonyM0use
1258 [11:06:53] <anonyM0use> it's a debian issue
1259 [11:06:58] <anonyM0use> i tried there
1260 [11:07:02] <wrksx> lol
1261 [11:07:03] <anonyM0use> they pushed me here :|
1262 [11:07:12] <anonyM0use> check the link
1263 [11:07:16] <anonyM0use> replaced-url
1264 [11:07:27] <anonyM0use> it's happening on ubuntu too
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1267 [11:09:51] <anonyM0use> I am trying the solution in the thread , for which I will need to reboot my pc
1268 [11:09:58] <anonyM0use> will be back in 5
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1270 [11:10:24] <teatime> sigh
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1272 [11:11:45] <bazhang> the airplane mode button?
1273 [11:11:56] <bazhang> thats a mfgr issue
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1275 [11:12:34] <teatime> it's not uncommon for kernel/driver issues to cause that kind of behavior after suspend
1276 [11:12:47] <teatime> but he'd have to prove it happens on a debian stable kernel before I'd care
1277 [11:12:54] <wrksx> haha
1278 [11:12:55] <bazhang> oh suspend
1279 [11:13:06] <bazhang> thats something else entirely
1280 [11:13:37] <bazhang> 'it works on windows'
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1286 [11:16:59] <wrksx> teatime, I made the changes you outlined, but will it ensure the hostname/fqdn is correctly setup at start time? and do I need to run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh as written on some tutorial on the internet?
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1291 [11:17:44] <teatime> whichever service handles that will already be configured; yes it should be sufficient
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1294 [11:18:00] <teatime> that's why you want it explicitly in /etc/hosts and not just DNS, so it will be correct even before the network is up
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1296 [11:18:14] <anonyM0use> no it didn't work
1297 [11:18:19] <anonyM0use> I restarted the pc
1298 [11:18:23] <wrksx> teatime, perfect thank you
1299 [11:18:29] <bazhang> anonyM0use, your kali issue?
1300 [11:18:34] <anonyM0use> replaced-url
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1302 [11:18:51] <wrksx> nice screenshot
1303 [11:18:54] <teatime> anonyM0use: install debian stable. see if you can reproduce the issue. then you may ask here again.
1304 [11:19:10] <anonyM0use> in ubuntu 16 also it doesn't work
1305 [11:19:14] <teatime> don't care.
1306 [11:19:18] <anonyM0use> bazhang, The Problem : My wifi gets hardware disabled after I put my laptop back from sleep/suspend mode
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1308 [11:20:03] <bazhang> anonyM0use, it's the weekend so be patient in the kali channel where your issue is supported
1309 [11:20:11] <darxmurf> nobody is working on the cifs-utils package anymore ? Oo
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1311 [11:20:57] <anonyM0use> bazhang, check this chat log
1312 [11:20:58] <anonyM0use> replaced-url
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1314 [11:21:06] <anonyM0use> they pushed me over here :(
1315 [11:21:15] <anonyM0use> stating it's a debian issue
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1317 [11:21:31] <bazhang> not a debian issue since you are on kali, sorry
1318 [11:21:31] <teatime> they should know better.
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1323 [11:22:59] <anonyM0use> you people are juggling balls , it seems
1324 [11:23:10] <bazhang> ?
1325 [11:23:20] <anonyM0use> the same issue happens in many of the ubuntu distributions too
1326 [11:23:23] <anonyM0use> replaced-url
1327 [11:23:34] <anonyM0use> replaced-url
1328 [11:23:39] <wrksx> anonyM0use, the only way you are goin to get some help here is install debian and reproduce the issue, I'm afraid
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1330 [11:23:46] <bazhang> try the kali channel, and ##linux as well anonyM0use
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1333 [11:24:07] <anonyM0use> (Y)
1334 [11:24:11] <anonyM0use> +1
1335 [11:24:12] <anonyM0use> ok
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1343 [11:34:00] <dzove855> hallo everyone, i would like to ask, how can i run a package clean in my debian rules after the build/install
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1359 [11:47:51] <no_gravity> Strange, today gksu hangs, no matter what I try to start with it. How can I debug that?
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1369 [11:57:40] <mcfrisk> Hi, are Debian security updates also available from snapshot.debian.org ? I would like to use snapshots to create chroot images with debootstrap reproducibly without mirror the whole repository or all debian packages.
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1371 [11:59:49] <Iridos> no_gravity, try to run it as root… that's the only way to trace it…
1372 [11:59:55] <Iridos> else… look in logfiles
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1375 [12:00:30] <Iridos> or loog in lockfiles (first had that as a typo, heh)
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1378 [12:00:38] <no_gravity> Iridos: Run what as root?
1379 [12:00:42] <Iridos> gksu
1380 [12:00:48] <Iridos> what else
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1382 [12:01:22] <bazhang> what version of debian no_gravity
1383 [12:01:43] <bazhang> Iridos, gksu is the graphical sudo
1384 [12:01:53] <Iridos> I know
1385 [12:02:00] <no_gravity> Iridos: Running gksu as root spits out a bunch of error messages, but it works.
1386 [12:02:07] <bazhang> Iridos, so no need for run it as root
1387 [12:02:09] <no_gravity> The messages seem network related.
1388 [12:02:34] <no_gravity> Interestingly, googling for "gksu hangs network" indeed bring up a lot of users with the same problem.
1389 [12:02:47] <Iridos> bazhang, you cannot strace or trace in any other way programs that are suid, except if there is root
1390 [12:03:00] <bazhang> no_gravity, did you tell us the debian version yet
1391 [12:03:48] <Iridos> hence you need to run it as root to trace… with the problem that the error can disappear if it's some kind of permission thing
1392 [12:04:25] <no_gravity> Iridos: The messages talk about network, proxy, dconf...
1393 [12:04:40] <bazhang> Iridos, perhaps, if he is in debian
1394 [12:04:55] <bazhang> no_gravity, version?
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1396 [12:05:57] <no_gravity> GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
1397 [12:05:59] <no_gravity> Did not receive a reply....
1398 [12:06:04] <no_gravity> I wonder what this is about.
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1401 [12:08:35] <no_gravity> Which log files would you guys look into?
1402 [12:08:53] <bazhang> no_gravity, is that ubuntu or debian
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1411 [12:13:17] <no_gravity> Iridos: How would you trace it?
1412 [12:17:07] <mcfrisk> ah, snapshots does have security updates as well, I hope LTS too, but ca-certificates package for jessie is just really old, and git https problems with github come from curl gnutls in stretch... long story
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1429 [12:25:47] <simpledat> Hi, what is this new dist-upgrade about linux-headers-4.9.0-6-amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-6-common linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64?
1430 [12:26:47] <teatime> simpledat: it's a kernel upgrade?
1431 [12:27:13] <simpledat> teatime: Why? What is the upgrade about?
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1433 [12:27:40] <teatime> simpledat: try `aptitude changelog linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64` or one of the other ways to look at the debian changelog
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1436 [12:28:37] <teatime> bah that doesn't seem to work
1437 [12:29:35] <petererer> simpledat, try replaced-url
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1439 [12:30:23] <teatime> or `aptitude changelog linux` but you'll have to scroll down to the relevant version
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1441 [12:31:43] <simpledat> So you dont know?
1442 [12:31:48] <teatime> sigh
1443 [12:31:54] <bitess> it works if you have the package installed. it fails if not because they havn't updated the changelog on metadata.ftp-master.debian.org yet.
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1445 [12:32:06] <teatime> bitess: ah, thanks
1446 [12:32:54] <simpledat> teatime: What?
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1460 [12:36:13] <sn00bie> hi, i ve some question about the rsyslog service and conf. datei. what is the meaning of - in the conf
1461 [12:36:23] <sn00bie> example: lpr.* -/var/log/lpr.log
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1464 [12:38:03] <simpledat> petererer: I cant find any info about kernel on that page
1465 [12:39:07] <teatime> sn00bie: rsyslog has pretty solid documentation
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1468 [12:40:09] <teatime> 'You may prefix each entry with a minus sign (“-“) to avoid syncing the file after each log message. Note that you might lose information if the system crashes right after a write attempt. Nevertheless this might give you back some performance, especially if you run pro‐ grams that use logging in a very verbose manner.'
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1470 [12:40:16] <teatime> replaced-url
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1476 [12:42:20] <petererer> simpledat, the kernel is "linux"
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1483 [12:44:52] <sn00bie> teatime: thx a lot, that was the information!
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1502 [13:17:47] <confrey> Iridos, no, I have checked all volumes from this system and all are OK
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1510 [13:26:29] <sn00bie> mmh and the next question, i ve written an own prg, that started as service, can it write their log out into an extra log file with rsynclog.
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1517 [13:32:30] <zPlus> hi, from aptitude I've issued the upgrade command to update new packages. This is the log: replaced-url
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1520 [13:34:40] <teatime> zPlus: pretty sure it's normal. initrd and initramfs aren't the same exact thing.
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1524 [13:37:35] <zPlus> ok, thank you
1525 [13:37:56] <zPlus> teatime: what is briefly the difference between the two?
1526 [13:38:32] <teatime> iirc it's two different formats, with initramfs being the newer one
1527 [13:38:47] <zPlus> ok
1528 [13:38:55] <zPlus> thank you
1529 [13:38:55] <frostschutz> zPlus, what's in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms ?
1530 [13:38:55] <teatime> replaced-url
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1534 [13:41:17] <zPlus> frostschutz: probably the default values because I've never touched this file replaced-url
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1539 [13:48:16] <frostschutz> zPlus, hmmm, well this dkms thing wants to modify an initramfs, but it's created only afterwards so it can only fail. not using dkms myself no idea how this is supposed to work. what you have now is the original/regular initramfs, unmodified by dkms
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1541 [13:48:38] <frostschutz> basically when dkms runs, the initramfs it wishes to modify does not exist yet
1542 [13:48:46] <frostschutz> or at least, that's how I understand it from your log
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1544 [13:50:05] <frostschutz> I guess you could re-run '/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms 4.9.0-6-amd64'
1545 [13:50:26] <frostschutz> but I don't really know what happens then ;)
1546 [13:50:48] <zPlus> how do you not use dkms? Doesn't it come with the debian installation by default?
1547 [13:51:33] <teatime> frostschutz: there's a better way to do that
1548 [13:51:49] <teatime> maybe just update-initramfs but pretty sure there's another command
1549 [13:52:41] <frostschutz> yes, but if '/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms 4.9.0-6-amd64' works now then you can be more or less sure, it was just executed in the wrong order
1550 [13:53:13] <frostschutz> if you run update-initramfs and there is no error, does not necessarily make it right (it might modify the old initramfs, which is then replaced afterwards with the new, unmodified initramfs, that'd be kinda pointless
1551 [13:53:35] <frostschutz> the error shown only occurs the first time when there is no initramfs
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1553 [13:53:55] <teatime> you know that? or just assuming?
1554 [13:54:21] <frostschutz> that's how I read the code, of course it might be wrong :-)
1555 [13:54:28] <teatime> fair enough.
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1570 [14:13:29] <Iridos> .weather neu-ulm
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1574 [14:17:22] <jusss> how to ssh to machine B with password via machine A with certificate?
1575 [14:18:21] <koollman> ssh machineA ssh machineB ?
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1579 [14:20:10] <frostschutz> jusss, that depends... if the 2nd ssh client should run on machine a, then maybe 'ssh -t user@A ssh user@B' . if you want ssh client to stay on your side for end-to-end encryption... you have to port forward
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1582 [14:22:29] <jusss> frostschutz: I want it stay on my local side, not machine A, I know there's a parameter -J, also I know there's -i parameter can specify the key, but I don't know how put -J and -i together
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1591 [14:25:24] <frostschutz> jusss, -J is a short hand for port forwarding, I don't think it allows specification for custom certificate for each jump host. You can try with -i identity1 -i identity2 -i identity3 and then hope it will just figure out which to use for each jump
1592 [14:26:31] <frostschutz> jusss, so jumping over A and B finally reaching C with different identity for each, it would be ssh -i identityA -i identityB -i identityC -J user@A,user@B user@C
1593 [14:26:38] <Iridos> jusss, you can configure ProxyCommand in ~/.ssh/config
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1595 [14:27:30] <Iridos> that makes it seem as if you connect to B directly, but really, there's first a connection to A
1596 [14:27:44] <Iridos> but it's basically the same approach as ssh A ssh B
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1606 [14:39:59] <jusss> frostschutz: ssh -i x.key -J john@A:221 john@B don't work, because ssh still try use x.key login B
1607 [14:40:23] <jusss> A is with secret key, B is with password
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1613 [14:47:42] <frostschutz> jusss, but it works in two steps? ssh -L 127.0.0.1:9999:B:22 userA@A , then in another terminal ssh userB@127.0.0.1:9999 ?
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1616 [14:49:20] <frostschutz> sorry, that might be -p 9999 instead of :9999 in the second one...
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1622 [14:52:46] <confrey> it seems more people is here now, I repeat my request, please :
1623 [14:53:06] <confrey> I was using a Stretch installation in another partition, but since a few days that system doesn't boot anymore, it stops in emergency mode after mounting volumes and I can enter in a root shell, where I can see all volumes mounted but it can't continue; I dont' know where to investigate, any ideas?
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1625 [14:54:01] <somiaj> it should tell you why it stops? Is it because you have changed your setup and there is a drive in /etc/fstab it cannot mount?
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1653 [15:21:08] <jelly-home> ,suggests ansible
1654 [15:21:09] <judd> Package ansible in stretch/amd64 -- suggests: cowsay, sshpass.
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1696 [16:12:46] <confrey> somiaj, excuse me, now I read; no, it seems all volumes are OK, it might be something else, I read the logs but I can't understand the reason
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1699 [16:14:44] <alkisg> confrey: systemctl status may be a good start
1700 [16:14:58] <alkisg> Also dmesg and /var/log/syslog
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1702 [16:16:30] <jusss> frostschutz: yeah, this is ok
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1705 [16:17:10] <jusss> frostschutz: thanks
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1757 [17:00:46] <confrey> alkisg, thanks, syslog, I can give you it at once; for dmesg and systemctl I need to restart
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1762 [17:05:16] <confrey> alkisg, here : replaced-url
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1765 [17:08:10] <alkisg> confrey: this is 2 days old, so it doesn't help. Maybe your disk needs an fsck?
1766 [17:08:28] <alkisg> You should be seeing a message then, saying and/or mentioning that it's being remounted ro...
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1772 [17:11:40] <confrey> alkisg, yes, it doen't boot since a few days
1773 [17:11:58] <confrey> wait, I have a screen's photo
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1775 [17:15:14] <confrey> alkisg, here : replaced-url
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1858 [18:12:40] <mvaenskae> cheers, looking into installing debian on my macbook pro 13" mid 2011 (migrating from gentoo; my studies don't allow the time for a source-based laptop install sadly) and i wanted to continue using refind; how would i best approach the installation of refind? install as normal grub and fix the boot record that way or not install grub at all and manually after the installation of debian but without
1859 [18:12:46] <mvaenskae> reboot install and configure refind?
1860 [18:12:48] <mackerel449> how do i get the CLOCK_MONOTONIC option for clock_gettime()? i either get "CLOCK_MONOTONIC undeclared" with #include <time.h> or "struct timespec undeclared" when i try sys/time.h or linux/time.h
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1862 [18:13:48] <mvaenskae> mackerel449: sounds like it's not included in the kernel (guesstimate on that)
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1867 [18:14:36] <tomlukeywood_> If i install a GUI on debian 9 will i no longer boot to the CLI by default?
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1870 [18:15:47] <somiaj> tomlukeywood_: depends on the gui installed. But most desktops will pull in a display manager.
1871 [18:15:57] <somiaj> You can disable the display manager if you don't want to boot into a gui login screen.
1872 [18:16:54] <tomlukeywood_> its a server so i just dont want reasources to be used up by a GUI most of the time
1873 [18:17:06] <tomlukeywood_> How do i disable to display manager?
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1876 [18:17:17] <somiaj> there are again various ways, but here is one
1877 [18:17:18] <somiaj> !nodm
1878 [18:17:18] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
1879 [18:17:23] <somiaj> the echo false ... part
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1882 [18:17:56] <jelly> mackerel449: man clock_gettime says to #include <time.h>
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1885 [18:18:20] <jelly> mackerel449: which debian release is this
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1887 [18:18:34] <tomlukeywood_> somiaj: thanks
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1899 [18:20:04] <mackerel449> jelly: stretch, the redefinition comes up because of libpng includes one of those time.h files
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1908 [18:21:46] <jelly> mackerel449: redefinition of what?
1909 [18:21:49] <mackerel449> worked around it by just defining CLOCK_MONOTONIC 1 and not including anything
1910 [18:21:57] <mackerel449> jelly: struct timespec
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1914 [18:23:10] <jelly> that does not sound like the righyt way to do it but helping you means I'd have to look at some C code so, hey, whatever works
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1917 [18:24:40] <jelly> tomlukeywood_: if it's a server, why install GUI at all
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1919 [18:25:13] <jelly> run GUI tools on a workstation
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1943 [18:35:39] <mackerel449> jelly: it's scattered across a few files, basically pngconf.h includes <time.h> which doesn't have CLOCK_MONOTONIC, if i include linux/time.h ill get "redefinition of "struct timespec""
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1956 [18:41:22] <mackerel449> whatever, C11 has timespec_get() apparently
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1965 [18:49:11] <jelly> mackerel449: #include <time.h> defines CLOCK_MONOTONIC for me on stretch, i386
1966 [18:49:39] <bitesss> man clock_gettime also says _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 199309L so check if that's set.
1967 [18:50:21] <bitesss> time.h does a lot of conditional includes
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1969 [18:50:32] <greycat> I get a value of 1 (apparently an int) for CLOCK_MONOTONIC from <time.h> on stretch amd64.
1970 [18:50:52] <greycat> printf("%s\n", CLOCK_MONOTONIC); gave a seg fault, but %d worked
1971 [18:51:06] <jelly> they're gone
1972 [18:52:47] <jelly> I've forgotten so much of C, gcc has told me what to include to have printf() working, what to include to have exit() working, and where I'm missing a semicolon
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1976 [18:54:08] <nodiscc> hi everyone, I have a new rig with a GTX 970 video card, Debian stable does not boot unless i set "nomodeset" in kernel parameters. Is this a known bug and where do I find/report it?
1977 [18:57:03] <jelly> find it among the thousand reports for linux (the kernel) source package, bugs.debian.org/src:linux
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1979 [18:57:59] <jelly> nodiscc: report it... eh, probably read nouveau driver wiki first and see if it's expected to work AT ALL on your 4.9.x kernel version
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1982 [18:58:46] <gr8> I noticed that in the standard installation, exim4 is running on port 25. I don't need any email support, so should I disable this service or remove exim altogether?
1983 [18:58:58] <jelly> nodiscc: honestly, even my GT720 doesn't work stable on stable with free drivers
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1986 [18:59:43] <gr8> or is there some firewall rule by default that prevents access to this service from outside?
1987 [18:59:46] <jelly> gr8: it's only running on localhost ip address by default, and it's used for local delivery only
1988 [18:59:54] <gr8> ok
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1990 [19:00:46] <jelly> cron wants it (well it wants a MTA, and exim4 is default), among other things
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1995 [19:03:59] <nodiscc> jelly: thanks, apparently the 970 is only supported in 4.14 replaced-url
1996 [19:04:12] <nodiscc> 4.13 i mean
1997 [19:04:18] <jelly> ,kernels
1998 [19:04:19] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1999 [19:04:20] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
2000 [19:04:26] <nodiscc> I will try to upgrade to 4.14 in backports
2001 [19:04:33] <jelly> right
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2028 [19:21:57] <SamySam> Hi guys. I would like to create some account automatically on new servers for all admin users. How can I create a user in way he has ssh access and he is able to define it's own password ?
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2045 [19:30:46] <yakiza> You are a lot of people in debian anyone from england?
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2050 [19:34:28] <hypn0> abt 0.87 % I think replaced-url
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2053 [19:35:36] <greycat> !bad polls
2054 [19:35:36] <dpkg> The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian.
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2079 [19:44:37] <ageis> are there known issues with DBUS in buster?
2080 [19:44:44] <ageis> I'm having a very difficult time
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2151 [19:46:42] <ageis> by difficult time, this is what I mean replaced-url
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2156 [19:47:14] <ageis> it's bad, I have random programs segfaulting and dumping core and errors popping up all the time
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2159 [19:47:24] <ageis> but its somewhat workable, some of the dbus contexts work
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2164 [19:47:36] <greycat> !tell ageis about debian-next
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2167 [19:48:08] <ageis> thank you
2168 [19:48:18] <ageis> I need an invite
2169 [19:48:27] <ageis> oh
2170 [19:48:28] <greycat> Read the factoid again, more closely.
2171 [19:48:37] <ageis> sorry, i have poor attention to detail sometimes
2172 [19:48:43] <ageis> ty again
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2218 [20:02:27] <mvaenskae> eh, debian 9.3 netinstaller has a small typo in the volume group setup
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2220 [20:02:53] <mvaenskae> or not... my head just blanked >.>
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2252 [20:27:06] <mvaenskae> how can i chroot into the currently installed debian from the installer? the step to install grub fails
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2254 [20:27:28] <greycat> !chroot
2255 [20:27:29] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
2256 [20:27:32] <mvaenskae> i would want to install refind anyways so i am fine with that chroot failing
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2259 [20:27:59] <mvaenskae> greycat: it's during the installation, last step before cleanup from what i can gather
2260 [20:28:11] <greycat> Try it and see?
2261 [20:28:33] <greycat> The /target may already be mounted, so be sure to check that first
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2264 [20:28:56] <mvaenskae> i see my lvm-based partition to be mounted in /dev/.static/dev per fstab but it somehow doesn't register correctly and tells me "cannot exec sh/bash, no such file or dir"
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2267 [20:29:53] <mvaenskae> imho strange; it reminds me of a minimal /dev dir for an initramfs
2268 [20:30:19] <mvaenskae> eh wait
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2270 [20:31:07] <mvaenskae> i missed the entry prior to it being mounted at /target
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2276 [20:36:20] <mvaenskae> alright, good thing i checked the kernel location; how can i make apt intall the kernel into a custom location?
2277 [20:36:49] <greycat> You can't.
2278 [20:37:14] <greycat> That's why you chroot into the target and then run it.
2279 [20:37:21] <mvaenskae> i just distrust grub so much i refuse to install it anymore
2280 [20:37:56] <tw> Where would it put the kernel if not /boot?
2281 [20:38:04] <mvaenskae> tw: in the ESP
2282 [20:38:10] <arha_> just backspace 30 times and it will load the safe grub version
2283 [20:38:23] <mvaenskae> arha_: the grub installer fails in the netinstaller ;)
2284 [20:38:30] <greycat> Only for you.
2285 [20:39:10] <mvaenskae> greycat: true, but it still failing means it fails :)
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2287 [20:39:19] <tw> mvaenskae: can you mount/symlink the ESP such that your kernels end up in the right place?
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2289 [20:39:35] <greycat> Or just copy the kernel to the place you want it.
2290 [20:39:45] <mvaenskae> tw: the esp cannot be encrypted; /boot is part of my rootfs encrypted and on lvm
2291 [20:40:05] <mvaenskae> greycat: and a kernel update results in me having to do it every time there is a new kernel?
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2293 [20:40:41] <greycat> I don't know what to tell you. You are doing some crazy unique thing that nobody else does, and your problems are of your own creation.
2294 [20:40:45] <tw> mvaenskae: you can mount the ESP wherever you want, including over /boot
2295 [20:40:51] <greycat> Your solutions will therefore also be unique to you.
2296 [20:41:13] <mvaenskae> tw: that is not valid behaviour though to my understanding of how the ESP is supposed to be used
2297 [20:41:22] <greycat> !esp
2298 [20:41:22] <dpkg> I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand?
2299 [20:41:23] <mvaenskae> it may work but it was not designed to be used as such
2300 [20:41:29] <greycat> yeah, me either, dpkg.
2301 [20:41:37] <mvaenskae> efi system partition
2302 [20:41:55] <greycat> so "the EFI partition". that doesn't have kernels in it.
2303 [20:42:02] <greycat> Kernels go in /boot.
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2305 [20:42:53] <somiaj> I did see one user try to put kernels in the efi partition, which doesn't work on debian, because dpkg uses hardlinks when upgrading and fat file system do not support links.
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2307 [20:43:12] <somiaj> (They ended up doing some strange hack to allow kernel upgrades to happen, but I think it is probably not the best approach)
2308 [20:43:24] <somiaj> (note they did mount their efi partition in /boot
2309 [20:44:23] <mvaenskae> greycat: incorrect replaced-url
2310 [20:44:26] <tw> mvaenskae: can write a dpkg post-invoke hook to check for new kernels and copy them appropriately. There's not going to be a built in mechanism for that behavior though.
2311 [20:45:26] <greycat> Which part is incorrect? Kernels go in /boot in Debian, and other people have explained to you what happened to others who have apparently tried to do whatever bizarre thing you are trying to do, for whatever bizarre reasons you have dreamt up.
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2314 [20:46:23] <greycat> Random wikipedia pages are absolutely not authoritative sources of info for Debian system administration.
2315 [20:47:31] <mvaenskae> greycat: then what about this replaced-url
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2319 [20:51:02] <tw> Debian doesn't use the ESP for storing kernels. You're free to write your own solution to that problem.
2320 [20:51:11] <mvaenskae> i will look into the post-invoke hook method in that case though
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2323 [20:51:46] <tw> another option is incron with a write-close line that looks for kernels.
2324 [20:52:32] <mvaenskae> tw: which is imho a bit interesting; must be due to common behaviour amongst all systems
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2330 [20:55:37] <tw> mvaenskae: I wouldn't be surprised if ESP boot just wasn't reliable on many installs because of secureboot. I'm surprised the generic kernel supports CONFIG_EFI_STUB at all.
2331 [20:56:27] <mvaenskae> secureboot is iirc not a hard requirement for efi booting; also it allows using linux without any bootloader whatsoever
2332 [20:56:43] <mvaenskae> i did that for a year or so before trying out refind and finding it to just work
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2334 [20:58:29] <tw> easier to keep the status quo and not have a ton of questions on why they have to go into the bios and disable secureboot.
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2337 [20:59:42] <mvaenskae> thing is, there is a possibility to have a custom bootloader signed for secureboot which is a stub sorts of for another keystore where distros can have their kernel sigkeys backed up
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2339 [21:00:32] <mvaenskae> which is iirc done by many distros these days to work around secureboot issues (requires distro-supported kernel with no modifications really; anyone doing those is expected to get their hands dirty :) )
2340 [21:00:39] <tw> sounds like a politics question I'm not in a position to field.
2341 [21:01:08] <mvaenskae> your post-install hook seems to be run on any dpkg invocation...
2342 [21:01:13] <mvaenskae> is that the case?
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2344 [21:01:38] <somiaj> yes, but i think you can then within the hook only do stuff if say a kernel package is updated
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2346 [21:02:15] <somiaj> I just don't see what advatnage you are getting from just putting grub or gumiboot ni the efi partition and keeping the kerenl in /boot?
2347 [21:02:37] <mvaenskae> i want to move the kernel to the esp
2348 [21:02:58] <mvaenskae> right now it's in boot which no EFI system can read due to encryption, lvm and xfs
2349 [21:03:36] <somiaj> but why not just have /boot outside of the encrypted partition like most people do? I still don't see any advatnage you are getting out of having to build your own hooks for this.
2350 [21:04:02] <mvaenskae> somiaj: i have not needed /boot for multiple years
2351 [21:04:05] <greycat> Stop encrypting /boot.
2352 [21:04:22] <mvaenskae> greycat: i do not use /boot except as a mounting point for ESP
2353 [21:04:31] <mvaenskae> or rather /boot/efi
2354 [21:04:34] <greycat> As I said earlier, your problems are of your own creation.
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2357 [21:05:36] <mvaenskae> greycat: also your suggestion to not encrypt boot is of mixed response; it makes stuff easier but with grub supporting encrypted volumes and such i feel it should not be the default
2358 [21:05:46] <mvaenskae> smaller attack surface for evil maid attacks and such
2359 [21:07:06] <somiaj> I still don't see the advatnage, so your kernels are in the efi partition instead of /boot. You can actually do this with a far easier method than what you are doing, though as I said debian will hav eproblems upgrading kernels due to fat file systems and links
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2361 [21:07:43] <mvaenskae> anyways, this doesn't solve the question of smartly invoking a post-invoke-success depending on kernel upgrade or not
2362 [21:07:44] <somiaj> though sure go ahead and do it, it is nice that it can be done. Just expect little support, and few people who have any experience with it
2363 [21:08:04] <somiaj> most here aren't going to want to support some exoitc setup.
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2366 [21:08:45] <mvaenskae> i feel like that ain't too exotic after a decade of linux :)
2367 [21:09:05] <ebol4> on nano 2.7.4 (current version in stable repo), when I run it over SSH and hold any of the arrow keys, it writes A B C or D to the file repeatedly while moving the cursor around
2368 [21:09:09] <tw> pretty exotic, but patches welcome.
2369 [21:09:10] <ebol4> $TERM=xterm
2370 [21:10:05] <greycat> ebol4: what is the *actual* terminal you are sshing from?
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2372 [21:10:35] <ebol4> using ConEmu to open Bash in WSL
2373 [21:10:42] <ebol4> i'll try it in putty
2374 [21:11:07] <ebol4> does not happen in putty
2375 [21:11:07] <greycat> If the problem only occurs when "holding" the arrow key instead of pressing it once every 0.500 seconds or so, then it sounds like something in the terminal.
2376 [21:11:27] <ebol4> this only started after updating nano though
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2378 [21:12:07] <greycat> Perhaps the newer version of nano uses a shorter timeout after receiving an ESC byte before waiting for the rest of the escape sequence to arrive.
2379 [21:12:26] <greycat> But that is 100% guesswork.
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2385 [21:15:10] <tw> Probably onto something there though. Most likely you need to mess around with your terminal's settings so it matches the TERM=xterm behavior.
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2387 [21:15:35] <greycat> If that were the issue I would expect the problem EVERY time the arrow key is pressed, not just intermittently.
2388 [21:15:39] <mvaenskae> tw: there wouldn't be much to patch really except the location for the kernel to install to :)
2389 [21:15:59] <tw> mvaenskae: but it also has to detect the boot configuration and put it in the right spot for every OTHER configuration.
2390 [21:16:02] <tw> So it's not simple.
2391 [21:16:23] <somiaj> mvaenskae: there is more than that. Dpkg cannot upgrade stuff on fat file systems. Otherwise you could jsut mount your efi partition at /boot and be done
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2394 [21:16:51] <somiaj> so you can't just have a package install a file on a fat file system.
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2396 [21:18:01] <jhutchins> There have been distributions that would install and upgrade correctly on FAT/NTFS systems; cygwin is one.
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2398 [21:18:30] <somiaj> sure, it is just that when upgrading a package, dpkg uses hard links to create the backup (so if the install fiails it can revert)
2399 [21:18:49] <somiaj> but it is something that makes upgrading packages that install files on a fat file system not work.
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2406 [21:22:36] <awal1> trying to understand the use of "dpkg-query -f" option but I don't get it
2407 [21:22:59] <awal1> any example?
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2409 [21:24:01] <somiaj> the man page has an example. It just allows you to configure how the output is formated
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2411 [21:24:43] <awal1> my undestanding is 'dpkg-query -f=Section' for example ?
2412 [21:25:26] <awal1> "dpkg-query -f=Section openbox"
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2417 [21:27:40] <tw> maybe try dpkg-query -f '${binary:Package} ${section}\n' -W openbox
2418 [21:27:41] <somiaj> awal1: read the manpage again. It even gives you an example. dpkg-query -f='${Section}' openbox
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2420 [21:29:26] <awal1> somiaj ---» that returns "dpkg-query: error: need an action option"
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2423 [21:31:16] <Tenkawa> i get results on dpkg but none on openbox
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2425 [21:31:29] <awal1> yes I see example somiaj dpkg-query -W -f='${binary:Package} ${Version}\t${Maintainer}\n' dpkg
2426 [21:31:33] <awal1> I seen
2427 [21:31:37] <Tenkawa> try substituting dpkg in that query
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2429 [21:32:44] <Tenkawa> can the tags be incomplete possibly?
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2431 [21:34:05] <awal1> not sure. well this example works "dpkg-query -W -f='${binary:Package} ${Version}\t${Maintainer}\n' fvwm ---» fvwm 1:2.6.7-3 Jaimos Skriletz <jaimosskriletz@gmail.com>" somiaj :P:D
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2434 [21:34:23] <Tenkawa> yeah i see other ones that work too
2435 [21:34:38] <Tenkawa> thats why i speculate its openbox specific
2436 [21:35:03] <awal1> works for openbox too dpkg-query -W -f='${binary:Package} ${Version}\t${Maintainer}\n' openbox
2437 [21:35:03] <awal1> openbox 3.6.1-6 Mateusz Łukasik <mati75@linuxmint.pl>
2438 [21:35:18] <awal1> may have to be installed
2439 [21:35:33] <Tenkawa> checking my repo
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2441 [21:36:43] <Tenkawa> yeah that might be whats going on
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2445 [21:42:35] <awal1> ok, I got it
2446 [21:42:48] <awal1> example: dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\n' openbox
2447 [21:42:48] <awal1> x11
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2449 [21:43:30] <awal1> looks like -f "should be" combined with -W (--show)
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2451 [21:44:13] <awal1> output is clearer with the strings
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2453 [21:45:13] <Tenkawa> cool
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2455 [21:46:42] <awal1> looks like one gets an exit status 0 only if pkg is installed
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2466 [21:59:56] <awal1> if pkg A is held bcoz unmet deps, how can I verify if deps are satisfied? I usually just run aptitude -s full-upgrade or aptitude -s install pkgA as regular user and verify deps again but wondering if there a special option I am missing
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2478 [22:19:00] <kion> How do I set a systemwide crontab?
2479 [22:19:11] <kion> sorry meant cron job
2480 [22:19:27] <greycat> the /etc/crontab file can be used, or you can run "crontab -e" as root or the target user
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2484 [22:19:53] <velix> When running PostgreSQL in a chroot, does the host have access to its ports or do I need to redirekt them?
2485 [22:21:31] <awal1> only clear solution I found "aptitude/apt -s full/dist-upgrade pkgA" for verify deps status and verbose info about unmet deps . :(
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2487 [22:22:09] <greycat> velix: TCP would work without special steps (but you'd need to authenticate); for the unix domain sockets, you would have to place those inside the chroot and make some special arrangement for clients outside the chroot to use them.
2488 [22:23:21] <velix> greycat: ah okay. but is there a way to keep TCP connections inside the chroot or do I need LXC or Docker for that?
2489 [22:23:40] <greycat> I have never done it, so I don't know whether simply editing /etc/postgresql/VERSION/main/postgresql.conf for the client would work or not.
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2491 [22:24:19] <greycat> I have no idea what you mean by "keep TCP connections inside the chroot".
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2493 [22:25:45] <velix> greycat: brb, need t ofinish cooking first.
2494 [22:25:48] <kion> greycat, once I modigy the /etc/crontab file, Do I have to somehow register the file to the system or how will the system know it has changed and that it has to go do something?
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2496 [22:25:54] <velix> greycat: potatoes got ready too early
2497 [22:26:03] <greycat> kion: no further steps are required
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2499 [22:26:31] <kion> greycat, so just sudo nano the file and save it?
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2503 [22:28:36] <greycat> Make sure you get the format of your entry correct; see "man 5 crontab". Remember that the lines in /etc/crontab have one extra field (username) compared to the lines in a regular "crontab -e".
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2508 [22:31:54] <kion> greycat, yes! i noticed and set the line properly... hopefully it will trigger
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2525 [22:52:10] <ageis> mixing prefixes and adding Linux Mint and winehq sources destroyed my dbus
2526 [22:52:35] <ageis> lesson learned
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2528 [22:53:18] <tw> what's the trigger? frankendebian?
2529 [22:53:28] <greycat> yes, that's one
2530 [22:53:33] <tw> !frankendebian
2531 [22:53:33] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
2532 [22:53:34] <greycat> or "don't break debian"
2533 [22:53:39] <tw> also good advice.
2534 [22:53:56] <greycat> !don't break debian
2535 [22:53:56] <dpkg> somebody said dont break debian was replaced-url
2536 [22:55:09] <Mathisen> i like the sound of frankendebian someone should make a dist named that
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2538 [22:56:12] <Tenkawa> I also learned in the day when it was "if you broke it be prepared to fix it yourself with no documentation by hand" circa 1993
2539 [22:56:15] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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2542 [22:57:02] <Tenkawa> before most distributions today even existed
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2545 [22:58:43] <velix> greycat: I cooked pork cutlets in white wine sauce. It was tasty.
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2550 [22:59:12] <velix> greycat: Actually, I'd like to run PostgreSQL in chroot, but I want to restrict the access to the chroot.
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2553 [22:59:53] <Tenkawa> velix: access in what way?
2554 [22:59:56] <greycat> The database server is running inside the chroot, yes? Just use TCP to connect to it from outside.
2555 [23:00:00] <Tenkawa> network or file?
2556 [23:00:12] <velix> Tenkawa: network
2557 [23:00:13] <greycat> As I said before your dinner, TCP will make it easy.
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2559 [23:00:30] <velix> greycat: That's my point, I do NOT want to access it from outside :)
2560 [23:00:39] <greycat> I can't understand what you're saying, then.
2561 [23:00:43] <velix> greycat: so sure, I could use a unix socket and stop TCP listening ;)
2562 [23:00:47] <greycat> You said you wanted network access (to Tenkawa).
2563 [23:00:50] <Tenkawa> chroot's dont care about the tcp/ip stack
2564 [23:01:02] <velix> greycat: I said, I want to restrict it to the chroot.
2565 [23:01:10] <greycat> what does that MEAN
2566 [23:01:20] <velix> greycat: let me get my dictionary, 1 sec
2567 [23:01:26] <Tenkawa> greycat: I think he's implying process isolation
2568 [23:01:36] <greycat> I don't know what that means either. Where is the client?
2569 [23:01:38] <Tenkawa> not 100% sure though
2570 [23:02:13] <greycat> If the client is also inside the chroot, then there is no step required at all. Just run them both and let them both chat away.
2571 [23:02:25] <greycat> TCP access is off by default in Debian.
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2573 [23:02:57] <Tenkawa> hmmm... he may want to tunnel it
2574 [23:02:59] <velix> greycat: I want to run PostgreSQL within a chroot (or LXC) and allow network access only within the chroot to the server. The host should not be allowed on the PostgreSQL server via network. One possibility would be to prohibit TCP and only allow access via Unix sockets.
2575 [23:03:03] <Tenkawa> so outside in
2576 [23:03:18] <greycat> Why are you using TCP?
2577 [23:03:36] <greycat> Yes. Just use unix domain sockets. The default.
2578 [23:03:50] * Tenkawa agrees
2579 [23:03:53] <tw> velix: have you tried this? Try it to see if you have the problems you are anticipating.
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2581 [23:04:09] <Tenkawa> no need to use tcp unless you are forced to
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2583 [23:04:34] <velix> tw: Yes, I can access the server inside chroot from outside. That's why I wanted to limit the access :)
2584 [23:04:34] <cef> velix: does it matter if the machine that is hosting the chroot is able to access PostgreSQL?
2585 [23:04:56] <velix> cef: actually there's also a server running on the host, on the same port.
2586 [23:05:03] <velix> cef: that made trouble.
2587 [23:05:09] <greycat> So you turned on TCP. Well, turn it off.
2588 [23:05:28] <velix> greycat: For the host's TCP, I need TCP (it will be accessed from other clients).
2589 [23:05:43] <greycat> I am ONLY talking about the thing INSIDE the chroot that you asked about.
2590 [23:05:50] <cef> velix: chroot doesn't affect network access.
2591 [23:05:50] <velix> greycat: yeah! Isn't it on by default on Debian?
2592 [23:06:04] <velix> cef: Does LXC? Just interesting.
2593 [23:06:08] <velix> interested*
2594 [23:06:14] <cef> velix: and so if you're running them BOTH on the same TCP port, you'll get issues.
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2596 [23:06:40] <velix> cef: yeah, I thought, I could turn off network access in the chroot.
2597 [23:06:47] <tw> velix: yes, lxc can use network isolation, it's implemented as network namespaces, but it gets much more cumbersome to manage than just turning off TCP.
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2599 [23:07:14] <velix> tw: yeah
2600 [23:07:23] <velix> Thanks for your help. I'm turning off TCP.
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2602 [23:07:54] <tw> If you just want to block access to tcp, there's always iptables -m owner --uid-owner, but that doesn't prevent port collisions.
2603 [23:08:07] <greycat> iptables is the wrong tree in the wrong forest
2604 [23:08:43] <velix> greycat: mirror, mirror
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2607 [23:08:51] <velix> greycat: sorry, Startrek.
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2609 [23:09:50] <zerocool> hi guys
2610 [23:10:31] <zerocool> anyone know if one can serve nfs to a windows computer running dfs?
2611 [23:10:48] <zerocool> i suppose this isn't debian related but i am using debian :)
2612 [23:11:19] <greycat> Debian can be an NFS server. Whether Windows can be an NFS client, who knows? Ask ##windows?
2613 [23:12:00] <greycat> Most likely you will end up using Samba.
2614 [23:12:07] <wigums> use samba
2615 [23:12:12] <wigums> oops
2616 [23:12:39] <BCMM> zerocool: reasonably sure dfs is not an nfs client. however, windows has had an nfs client in the past, as part of windows services for unix
2617 [23:12:45] <BCMM> don't know what the current status of that is
2618 [23:12:55] <iWaldo__> just tried out stretch for the first time. installed i3 and got everything set up the way i like it. after installing emacs the mouse cursors change while hovering over any region that isn't an i3 titlebar on any virtual desktop which has an emacs instance open
2619 [23:13:02] <tw> SFU still exists for enterprise windows.
2620 [23:13:13] <BCMM> greycat: ^
2621 [23:13:14] <iWaldo__> removed emacs and things were back to normal
2622 [23:13:44] <iWaldo__> first guess is a library called libwayland-cursor0 but i can't find much info about it
2623 [23:13:51] <BCMM> greycat: replaced-url
2624 [23:14:07] <tw> wrong end user.
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2627 [23:16:12] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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2633 [23:17:57] <BCMM> zerocool: yes, sorry, i highlighted the wrong user. see url above.
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2635 [23:18:31] <zerocool> nooooo
2636 [23:18:36] <zerocool> we don't have enterprise
2637 [23:18:37] <zerocool> :(
2638 [23:18:42] <zerocool> thank you guys though
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2640 [23:19:08] <adelyne> Hi, I'm having a problem with nftables, sometimes after booting all ports are closed, both in output and input, and I have to 'systemctl restart nftables' to get it working again. This happens with stretch's kernel and the 4.14 backport. Here is my nftables.conf replaced-url
2641 [23:20:05] <adelyne> I can't even access anything running on localhost.
2642 [23:20:06] <zerocool> BCMM: i think i can still do this for servers though, I have seen the option in like Server2012/r2, NFS Clients... so this page may be of use
2643 [23:20:24] <adelyne> s/running/listening/
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2647 [23:22:01] <wigums> adelyne, did you ask in #netfilter?
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2649 [23:22:55] <adelyne> Not yet, after all my rules are working just fine when I'm loading them once the system is up.
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2654 [23:24:10] <adelyne> I'm not sure I've tested my computer can't send anything though, but it sure is dropping everything it receives, as if the rules after "policy drop" were ignored.
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