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• 1[00:00:14] <rant> it'd be the same if the .run wasn't there or if it was .;sh or .foobarbaz or anything else
• 2[00:00:17] <levkusanagi> What's the difference between a run file and an sh file?
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• 5[00:00:28] <rant> there is no such thing as either
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• 9[00:01:03] <rant> the filename is part of the metadata stored in the filesystem.. its like a label on a folder doesnt change the documents stored inside it
• 10[00:01:19] <autofsckk> can somebody tell me please a channel where i can get some advice on using a server por kind of special needs please? where sysadmins gather
• 11[00:01:47] <Mathisen> autofsckk, /msg alis list sysadmin
• 12[00:02:03] <rant> autofsckk: you can try /msg alis help, or ask in #freenode but in general you might want to be more specific
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• 14[00:02:06] <petn-randall> autofsckk: This is the right channel if you're using Debian as a sysadmin.
• 15[00:02:07] <autofsckk> thanks Mathisen
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• 17[00:02:17] <levkusanagi> Mathisen: Now that the Guest Additions are installed, how do I change the screen resolution? Is guest additions some sort of application?
• 18[00:02:27] <Mathisen> reboot
• 19[00:03:03] <rant> levkusanagi: no, its kernel drivers.. once you reboot you should be able to run in any of the modes, windowed, scaled, seamless, or fullscreen at any resolution
• 20[00:03:26] <levkusanagi> Phenomenal. Mathisen, rant, I owe you guys one. :) Thanks for all your help.
• 21[00:03:28] <rant> though rebooting isnt strictly necessary, it will assure all is properly loaded
• 22[00:04:22] <rant> I personally liked seamless mode a lot
• 23[00:04:27] <Mathisen> hee needs to use modprobe otherwise right
• 24[00:04:45] <Mathisen> to get the modules in use
• 25[00:04:55] <rant> well you'd probably check to see if they loaded with lsmod/dmesg first, then modprobe, then might wanna restart the DM
• 26[00:05:18] <rant> but a reboot would just do all that more simply explained
• 27[00:05:30] <Mathisen> yep
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• 30[00:06:25] <rant> and worst case scenario you always have kexec to avoid an actual reboot when one is required i.e. switching a kernel
• 31[00:06:38] <levkusanagi> It works!!! This is so awesome. I love Debian.
• 32[00:06:53] <rant> yeah, debian loves you too :P
• 33[00:06:58] <levkusanagi> * Disclaimer: I've just started with it. I mean, I am going to love Debian.
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• 35[00:07:02] <levkusanagi> Hehehe
• 36[00:07:32] <levkusanagi> Where can I find some nice cool themes :)
• 37[00:07:37] <rant> Seriously though if you are interested there are usually as I said good wiki on setting up Debian on mac or thinkpad hw.. would be worth googling and reading to see how well supported your model is and what issues it has if any
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• 39[00:07:54] * Mathisen thinks debian is a great server os, but for desktop there is options. but all comes to taste i guess
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• 42[00:08:03] <rant> levkusanagi: you'd need to be more specific, we have like half a dozen Desktop Environments each are themed differently
• 43[00:08:23] <levkusanagi> rant: I was just going to say. I'm seriously going to try that. I have a deadline tonight and another by the end of the week. But I'm planning to "live" in Debian long-term, so I'll definitely try that.
• 44[00:08:46] <rant> there are always options.. what it came down to for me is, do you agree with Why Debian? and Social Contract or not.. if so, then you wouldnt want anything but Debian
• 45[00:08:47] <levkusanagi> I love simple, understated themes and I really love the default one.
• 46[00:08:57] <levkusanagi> I like no-nonsense, no bells and whistles, simplicity
• 47[00:09:44] <rant> levkusanagi: Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, LXQT, Cinnamon, MATE? which DE are you talking?
• 48[00:09:47] <Mathisen> you should read upp on i3 :) simplicity is its first name, but it is a tileing manager and does not fit everyone
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• 52[00:10:37] <levkusanagi> rant: My main initial motivation was stability. There is so much noise and change in the world today that it's nice to have an OS that will be stable, and has no desire to be buffetted randomly by short term trends
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• 54[00:11:18] <levkusanagi> rant: I'm not sure which one came by default, but the default one
• 55[00:11:29] <levkusanagi> Mathisen: I live inside emacs :D
• 56[00:11:46] <levkusanagi> but i will check out i3.
• 57[00:12:49] <rant> levkusanagi: we ship different flavored ISOs where each of them is default.. often though people who dont know better probably ended up with Gnome
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• 59[00:13:23] <levkusanagi> rant: How can I know which one I'm using?
• 60[00:13:36] <Epx998> Is it possible to pass variables to a preseed from pxe boot?
• 61[00:13:45] <levkusanagi> rant: I really do like it.
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• 63[00:14:07] <rant> levkusanagi: also i3 is a minimal tiling wm, main features is its strongly keyboard driven, uses lua as a scripting language, and typically displays windows tiled rather than free floating (though it can float)) its more geared toward power users focused on productivity
• 64[00:14:45] <levkusanagi> Perfect. I'm very keyboard driven. So that sounds great
• 65[00:15:10] <rant> levkusanagi: I dont offhand know any real easy way to test that other than from the session menu of the login screen which should say.. most people who used linux know em just by lookin at em.. if you described what it looked like we would probably know
• 66[00:15:10] <levkusanagi> I'm jumping right in. How do I change to i3 :D
• 67[00:15:33] <rant> levkusanagi: gnome often has a dark theme with a panel on top, mate is more chromish by default with panels on top and bottom.. etc
• 68[00:16:19] <rant> levkusanagi: you just install the package and choose that from the session menu at the graphical display manager's login screen
• 69[00:16:39] <levkusanagi> rant: I'm pretty sure it's Gnome, looking for a screenshot online to show you
• 70[00:17:17] <levkusanagi> I love the idea of a keyboard driven window manager
• 71[00:17:55] <rant> levkusanagi: gnome has many sites available for themes.. you probably have all the ones available in debian installed already
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• 73[00:18:11] <mtn> levkusanagi: install inxi and run inxi -S, it will show the desktop
• 74[00:18:15] <rant> you can just google gnome themes for a wider selection
• 75[00:18:26] <rant> I always forget about inxi
• 76[00:19:41] <levkusanagi> rant: System X11 default
• 77[00:19:50] <levkusanagi> I saw a couple of gnome ones too, on login.
• 78[00:20:03] <levkusanagi> Funnily enough, i3 didn't show up on the list. And I installed it
• 79[00:20:44] <rant> well the "default" one runs whatever you put in your .xsession file in your homedir
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• 81[00:21:06] <rant> echo "i3wm" > ~/.xsession
• 82[00:21:12] <rant> or whatever the command name is for that
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• 85[00:21:23] <rant> I haven't used ion in ages..
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• 89[00:22:42] <rant> on a related note if you fool with .xsession in the future, all the commands need to have & on them to run in the background except the last one which is typically your session-manager or window manager which is the command that when it exits, logs you out of the session
• 90[00:23:19] <rant> as the file is a script that is executed line by line consecutively and if you dont bg other commands it wont get through em all until the ones before it exit
• 91[00:23:42] <levkusanagi> rant: Thanks, duly noted.
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• 94[00:25:22] <levkusanagi> rant, or Mathisen, is there a way to get i3 to show up on the list of DEs on login? instead of it being default?
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• 98[00:26:17] <levkusanagi> Ah, figures, I gotta make this deadline. Will be back later. Thanks for all the help :)
• 99[00:26:36] <Mathisen> levkusanagi, yes it is
• 100[00:26:53] <Mathisen> it does that automaticly after install
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• 115[00:40:12] <rant> its possible its not showing up cause the DM needs to be restarted or maybe a menu target needs manually run.,. but its also possible whatever DM you use only shows full DEs idk.. I use lightdm or nodm, and lightdm does show sawfish when I install it
• 116[00:40:39] <rant> only solution I knew would work is the one I provided by using .xsession and default
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• 130[00:56:37] <ageis> FYI mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu has been having resolution issues and i also saw hash mismatches the last week
• 131[00:56:46] <ageis> for whoever runs that mirror
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• 133[00:57:15] <ageis> erm the first thing is a typo but the second issue was legit, i have a screenshot :)
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• 138[01:02:47] <somiaj> ageis: most likely you won't get an admin of the mirror here. I'm unsure the best place to send reports, though I would only worry about it if it keeps acting up.
• 139[01:03:50] <rant> last I knew Don worked for the AI dept at UC Berkeley, perhaps he may know something about that particular mirror
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• 174[01:40:27] <nom-ent> I was trying to use resize2fs & fdisk but neither of them seem to exist on debian.
• 175[01:42:11] <somiaj> they both do, they just won't be in your users path.
• 176[01:42:24] <somiaj> since in general users don't have permisions to use those commands
• 177[01:43:05] <nom-ent> Ok, thanks!
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• 179[01:43:49] <somiaj> I woudl be suprised if they were not installed by default, but if they are still not there when running as root, (located in /sbin) you can install the corresponding packages. But I would be surprised if they were not there.
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• 181[01:44:34] <nom-ent> I ran them with sudo and they started working. Thanks for the help!
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• 239[02:21:52] <maxcell_> hi
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• 241[02:22:49] <maxcell_> i need someone who knows about udev rules to add a group on my udev config file
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• 243[02:23:20] <maxcell_> the file is ready i just need to add it for a specific group rather then all
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• 251[02:26:40] <rizonz> hi guys, who is maintaning the janus package ?
• 252[02:26:59] <somiaj> packages list teh matainer in their info, apt show packagename
• 253[02:27:28] <mutante> rizonz: nobody it seems. "You have searched for packages that names contain janus in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures. "
• 254[02:27:28] <rizonz> somiaj: I'm on Ubuntu and it's a copy from Debian
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• 258[02:27:48] <rizonz> mutante: erm, where does it come from then ?
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• 260[02:28:21] <somiaj> rizonz: I would ask ubuntu, as it doesn't appear to be something in debian.
• 261[02:28:29] <somiaj> they have a channel, #ubuntu
• 262[02:28:36] <mutante> rizonz: sorry, it's just not in stable yet. see this replaced-url
• 263[02:28:39] <Mathisen> "The Importance Of The Symbiotic Relationship"
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• 266[02:29:18] <mutante> rizonz: see the "Maintainers" and "External Resources" on replaced-url
• 267[02:29:22] <somiaj> rizonz: why are you looking for the package matainer? What is your overall goal?
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• 269[02:29:35] <rizonz> somiaj: there are some issues with it
• 270[02:29:49] <rizonz> I want to ask the maint if he seen them
• 271[02:29:51] <somiaj> rizonz: file a bug with ubuntu.
• 272[02:30:44] <mutante> rizonz: revising my answer. see the "Maintainer" section on replaced-url
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• 275[02:31:30] <mutante> you should mail that ubuntu-motu list
• 276[02:31:31] <rizonz> mutante: the issue is, there is none and it's a copy from debian
• 277[02:31:41] <rizonz> yeah can do but then still
• 278[02:31:49] <mutante> rizonz: switch to Debian :)
• 279[02:31:55] <themill> rizonz: contacting the maintainers is almost never the right thing to do -- bugs belong in the relevant bug tracking system, not in private mails
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• 282[02:33:44] <rizonz> mutante: I think I will never do that again :P
• 283[02:34:06] <rizonz> themill: yeah but sometimes it's better to have some info upfront before making the bugreport
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• 285[02:34:18] <mutante> rizonz: why, then you would get support
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• 288[02:34:43] <mutante> you said yourself the problem is that Ubuntu being in the middle isnt helping
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• 290[02:34:59] <rizonz> mutante: for now indeed but that can change
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• 293[02:41:47] * rizonz is buidling his own version atm
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• 316[02:58:13] <zebulon_1st> hi ! I have my system disk with 3 partitions : sda1=/, sda2=swap, sda3=/home. /home was in ext2 and I've been told it's bad. So I successfully used fstransform to change it to ext4. It's done with no error. On reboot, system failed to mount /home. So I listed with lsblk. Then I saw that sda3 is not known as /home. How to restore it ? I tried by edi
• 317[02:58:13] <zebulon_1st> ting fstab, and reboot. But lsblk says the same : sda3 is not /home anymore. I need help to this point. thx. (i'm french, my english is not much good)
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• 321[03:01:00] <somiaj> zebulon_1st: what file system does fstab say /home should be, and did you check the UUID listed in fstab and ensure it matches the new file system?
• 322[03:01:41] <thecoffemaker> somiaj +1
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• 325[03:03:21] <jnoah> hello, i'm running buster and am looking for libtxc-dxtn-s2tc - the closest i found was that at one point sid required the install from buster according to replaced-url
• 326[03:03:50] <jnoah> does another package provide the same functionality now?
• 327[03:04:13] <somiaj> jnoah: replaced-url
• 328[03:04:22] <zebulon_1st> somiaj: I change this too from ext2 to ext4, yes. UUID seemed to be the same than before, but to be sure I changed the uuid part to /dev/sda3 to be sure the mount point wille be done, in case of uuid changed
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• 330[03:04:49] <somiaj> jnoah: replaced-url
• 331[03:05:15] <somiaj> zebulon_1st: if sda3 is not currently mounted on home, you can test if your fstab is correct by running 'mount /home' then notice any errors.
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• 333[03:05:21] <thecoffemaker> zebulon_1st, check if the uuid changed and use the uuid
• 334[03:05:28] <jnoah> somiaj: ok. thank you!
• 335[03:05:42] <somiaj> zebulon_1st: the UUID needs to match the uuid of the file system on /dev/sda3, if this changed you need to update it.
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• 339[03:06:46] <zebulon_1st> to prevent uuid change, i changed in fstab "UUID=...." by "/dev/sda3"
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• 341[03:06:55] <thecoffemaker> zebulon_1st, list the /dev/disk/by-uuid content ... there u will have your uuids
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• 346[03:09:06] <thecoffemaker> zebulon_1st, it's not the way ... use uuid, changing it to /dev/sd* will not prevent that the uuid will not change nor prevent the kernel to assign sda3 to another partition neither
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• 350[03:13:50] <zebulon_1st> ok. thx for this by-uuid . I have now the uuid set back in fstab (it's was a bit long to do). I try to mount /home manually...
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• 353[03:15:17] <zebulon_1st> $ mount /home returned no error msg. return code (its own $?) is 0
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• 355[03:16:29] <zebulon_1st> strangely lsblk still say sda1=/ sda2=swap sda3=<nothing> :/
• 356[03:16:31] <somiaj> if it returned nothing, it should have worked
• 357[03:16:38] <somiaj> ls /home (what does that say)?
• 358[03:16:45] <somiaj> also check the output of 'dmesg'
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• 361[03:17:34] <zebulon_1st> ls /home return nothing (wrong mountpoint ?)
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• 364[03:18:12] <somiaj> hmm, what is the output of dmesg then. Seems like it is not mounted. You can also run 'mount' with no info to see what is mounted
• 365[03:18:25] <somiaj> I mean by itself (not no info)
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• 367[03:19:14] <zebulon_1st> dmesg says at last line : EXT4-fs (sda3) : mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
• 368[03:20:36] <zebulon_1st> a $ mount | grep sd list only sda1 (/)
• 369[03:21:47] <zebulon_1st> and a $ umount /home say /home not mounted
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• 371[03:22:35] <zebulon_1st> I check the uuid (entered manually in fstab with nano)...
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• 376[03:24:11] <zebulon_1st> uuid is good
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• 397[03:39:22] <acidtripper> Hi folks
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• 399[03:40:04] <dvs> zzzzz
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• 404[03:41:55] <memo1> im running a python script as a service. The scripts needs to create a file.log, but its failing. Usning systemd service, i cant create files?,
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• 407[03:42:30] <somiaj> memo1: it might be a path thing, make sure the script is being run in the correct context, or you use full paths to files like the log file.
• 408[03:44:06] <memo1> somiaj: when i run it "manually" python script.py it works. But when the system reboot and the service starts, it dont create the log.file
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• 410[03:44:50] <somiaj> memo1: have you tried running it with systemctl start servicename
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• 412[03:45:29] <memo1> somiaj: yes
• 413[03:45:30] <somiaj> also when the service is run, it's enviorment (current working directory, or even $PATH enviorment variable) may not be the same as when you run it. YOu need to ensure all this is configured in the unit file.
• 414[03:45:56] <memo1> somiaj: how i check that?
• 415[03:45:57] <somiaj> Could the issue be the service is running to quickly, before a filesystem is up and ready for it to be written to?
• 416[03:46:13] <somiaj> memo1: does it work with systemctl start servicename?
• 417[03:46:25] <memo1> somiaj: let me try again
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• 419[03:46:59] <somiaj> if that works, it is a matter of it running at the wrong time. If that doens't work, it is somethign with the enviroment the script is run in.
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• 421[03:47:22] <zebulon_1st> I did a fsck -f : no errors. I finally reboot... than, it is now ok. thx for you help, you all :) good night. it is 03:47 am here (ouch !)
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• 424[03:49:30] <memo1> somiaj: its not working. The scripts is working, but the file creation and logging not
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• 426[03:50:16] <somiaj> it is something with the script, does the script give a full path to the log file, or put it in the cwd?
• 427[03:51:08] <memo1> somiaj: when i runnit with python script.py it works.
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• 434[03:52:06] <somiaj> memo1: this is due to the enviorment the script is being run in. Again where does the script look for/put this log file?
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• 440[03:54:33] <memo1> somiaj: ok, on the current folder. Is not define it with the full directory
• 441[03:54:58] <memo1> somiaj: is not with the full path
• 442[03:55:56] <somiaj> you can set the cwd (current working directory) that a script is run from in the unit file, or modify the python script and use a full path for the log file.
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• 445[03:56:49] <memo1> somiaj: i modify the full path for log file. Is working now. Thank you.
• 446[03:57:02] <memo1> now i can use tail -f log.file
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• 449[03:57:48] <memo1> somiaj: so the service name run in what path?, beause i create the full path of script in the unit file
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• 451[03:58:52] <somiaj> it runs in its own enviorment, look up unit files and you can see you can set enviroment variables and the current working directory (or even user) that a system unit file is run with.
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• 454[04:00:01] <memo1> somiaj: thank you friend. Many days behind this.
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• 525[04:57:36] <ageis> is there a debian command that restories libs for accompanying binaries? replaced-url
• 526[04:57:42] <ageis> *dpkg option
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• 593[05:51:32] <maxcell_> i'm on Debian (Buster) and i put udev rule file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ and it doesn't seems to be working.
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• 601[05:53:23] <maxcell_> denis@debian:~$ ls -l /dev/ |grep uinput
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• 662[06:32:38] <JohnA> I am running into a problem with apparmor on my server, there doesn't appear to be a profile Bind9. How to fix o avoid?
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• 818[07:58:06] <Haohmaru> fatal error
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• 880[08:31:40] <monteh> hey all so I just did an install of deb with cinnamon and on the first time I booted it up cinnamon is in software rendering mode
• 881[08:31:47] <monteh> I'm a linux newb send halp!
• 882[08:32:15] <BenNZ> monteh: what gpu and driver are you using ?
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• 888[08:35:01] <monteh_> sry my wifi is spotty
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• 890[08:36:14] <monteh_> fbdev,ati (unloaded: modesetting,vesa,radeon) is that more what you where looking for?
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• 895[08:37:50] <BenNZ> monteh_: sort of , the device name , more like 01:00.0 Display controller [0380]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mars [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8750M] [1002:6600]
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• 898[08:38:00] <Monteh> kk
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• 901[08:38:17] <BenNZ> Monteh: the output of lspci -nn | grep '\[03'
• 902[08:38:22] <Monteh> kk
• 903[08:39:01] <Monteh> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics] [1002:9851] (rev 40)
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• 909[08:42:43] <BenNZ> Monteh: not sure if thats supported by the proprietary driver or not , but try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to try to use the opensource
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• 911[08:43:05] <Monteh> I swur to god this internet is pissen meh off
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• 915[08:45:44] <Haohmaru> use a cable, son
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• 918[08:46:29] <Monteh> I am but it doesn't have the thing that you push down on to keep it in there
• 919[08:46:39] <Monteh> like it's the sketchiest cat cable you ever seen
• 920[08:46:57] <Monteh> it's got a part that I spliced and typed back together with electrical tape
• 921[08:47:07] <Monteh> taped*
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• 1047[09:22:57] <wrksx> Mornin
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• 1049[09:24:26] <thebr> I hope someone can shed some light here, is debian running full systemd ? I am confused to still find /etc/init.d/ being used by many applications
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• 1051[09:25:41] <thebr> Or perhaps reference to this would be great too
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• 1061[09:29:20] <Mathisen> thebr, this post have some good info > replaced-url
• 1062[09:29:42] <themill> thebr: systemd is in charge of starting all daemons. If there is no unit file then the init scripts can still be used, losing some of the benefits you would otherwise get.
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• 1066[09:32:28] <thebr> Thanks Mathisen , ill read that
• 1067[09:33:00] <thebr> The mill , so systemd is still in charge, would that be fair to say?
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• 1069[09:35:14] <aci_> systemd is like the borg
• 1070[09:35:23] <thebr> Not sure that post helps lol
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• 1072[09:36:17] <aci_> thebr: It helps the deeper understanding in that resistance is futile
• 1073[09:36:32] <thebr> Well I gotta say, Ive been using it since arch adopted it and it works for me, I am not liking it but it gets things done
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• 1075[09:37:02] <thebr> the arch implementation at least does one thing , unlike many distros
• 1076[09:37:21] <thebr> crazy hackfest even after these years
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• 1079[09:38:34] <themill> thebr: yes, it's still in charge. It's the thing that runs the init.d/foo, not a shell script from sysvinit
• 1080[09:39:56] <thebr> Ah thanks , that makes sense
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• 1083[09:40:43] <aci> yes, installed tftpd-hpa some days ago. You still use /etc/default/tftp-hpa to change your startup settings but with sftp in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf you need to edit /etc/pam.d/sshd for umask etc. Feels like this diverisity started with systemd
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• 1086[09:41:31] <aci> I like the old "everything configures in the same manner" aproach.
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• 1088[09:42:31] <wrksx> Does anyone have a clue how to display the year in the header of each email when using the mail command ?
• 1089[09:42:37] <aci> But then, I'm a old fart that still uses /etc/rc.local :)
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• 1092[09:43:44] <aci> wrksx: like in sending email or reading them?
• 1093[09:44:06] <wrksx> aci, reading. When entering mail command, I have a list of emails, one email per l:ine.
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• 1099[09:45:37] <epoch> does anyone have GLX working on debian sid with intel graphics?
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• 1101[09:46:15] <aci> wrksx: It feels like you have to run a scipt in your mail folder. I don't think that "mail" cliclient will let you to update the headers
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• 1103[09:46:32] <wrksx> aci, too bad
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• 1105[09:46:42] <wrksx> aci, thx
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• 1109[09:47:38] <epoch> I tried to use the i810 driver instead but modprobe fails to load it because it doesn't support SMP.
• 1110[09:47:44] <aci> Mathisen: Debian since 98
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• 1113[09:47:58] <epoch> which I figure is a recent change to debian's kernel config.
• 1114[09:48:06] <Mathisen> aci, ok :) was just a guess as many gentoo users see systemd as the devil
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• 1117[09:48:17] <epoch> because GLX used to work and xorg probably used i810 instead of intel driver
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• 1119[09:48:54] <aci> Prior to debain, Slaskware. The floppy happy installation.
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• 1128[09:54:46] <aci> Mathisen: It's quite stable with older Debians. 09:54 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 2549d 2h 20m 2s
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• 1130[09:55:18] <Mathisen> wow that uptime
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• 1132[09:55:47] <thebr> reminds me of my old core firewall :P
• 1133[09:55:48] <aci> the server have 200isch more days. That is the irssi in a screen
• 1134[09:55:51] <aci> :)
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• 1136[09:56:07] <Mathisen> you missing a few kernel updates thats for sure :)
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• 1139[09:57:50] <thebr> ah live kernel swapping
• 1140[09:57:55] <thebr> wasnt it debian that could do that
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• 1145[09:58:34] <aci> Mathisen: top - 09:58:23 up 2739 days, 3:04, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.04, 0.01
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• 1147[09:59:24] <Mathisen> thebr, can be done yes, but some things cant be "live" patched
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• 1150[09:59:47] <bs0d> Hi all. If systemctl service fails to start, where to look for log entries?
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• 1152[09:59:54] <aci> No, they need a big firewall >(
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• 1156[10:00:06] <thebr> journalctl -xn
• 1157[10:00:13] <aci> +1
• 1158[10:00:13] <Mathisen> aci, i have 200 something days as most on my server
• 1159[10:00:31] <aci> Seems more legit
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• 1161[10:01:04] <aci> This is stupidity, but it has gone too far to stop :)
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• 1163[10:01:17] <Mathisen> aci, anyway no one can say your install is not stable :)
• 1164[10:01:19] <no_gravity> Good Morning!
• 1165[10:01:39] <bs0d> thebr "journalctl -xn" was this a reply to me?
• 1166[10:01:48] <aci> yes
• 1167[10:01:48] <no_gravity> How do I configure the background color that ls uses for files that are world readable?
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• 1169[10:02:05] <thebr> yes bs0d
• 1170[10:02:11] <no_gravity> Right now it gives me an ugly green background
• 1171[10:02:26] <thebr> you could also read out the status of the service directly
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• 1173[10:02:34] <aci> no_gravity: replaced-url
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• 1175[10:03:05] <thebr> (systemctl status myservice.service)
• 1176[10:03:29] <bs0d> thebr the service looks loaded but inactive. It says Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/nfd.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled). Active: inactive (dead)
• 1177[10:04:02] <thebr> So it works :D ?
• 1178[10:04:41] <aci> systemctl start nfd
• 1179[10:04:59] <thebr> that
• 1180[10:05:07] <aci> if it works systemctl enable nfd
• 1181[10:05:27] <no_gravity> aci: The solution there (LS_COLORS="$LS_COLORS:ow=1;33") does not work here.
• 1182[10:05:36] <thebr> either systemd is able to start it and it does not die or it will throw errors in journalctl
• 1183[10:05:37] <bs0d> start did not work. It did not produce any error messages whatsoever as well. But the service is still marked as inactive
• 1184[10:06:02] <thebr> then resort to manually starting the deamon and check output in the console
• 1185[10:06:10] <aci> systemctl is-active nfd
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• 1188[10:06:28] <aci> you can also is-failed / is-enabled
• 1189[10:06:44] <bs0d> I have two commands to start it, nfd-start and nfd-stop. It works well if run manually. I'd like it to start automatically
• 1190[10:07:11] <aci> that isn't systemd
• 1191[10:07:28] <bs0d> I am using the following configuration for it: replaced-url
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• 1193[10:08:11] <bs0d> aci so I need something else than systemd to autostart it?
• 1194[10:08:28] <aci> no, just that "nfd-start" isn't systemd :)
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• 1196[10:09:01] <aci> as you later pasted, use that command in a systemd script
• 1197[10:10:16] <aci> what does systemctl is-enabled nfd && systemctl is-failed nfd give you?
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• 1202[10:11:37] <bs0d> aci is-enabled tells me "disabled" and is-failed tells me "inactive"
• 1203[10:12:20] <aci> then you havn't enabled that service
• 1204[10:12:34] <aci> did you do a systemctl enable nfd?
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• 1207[10:13:19] <bs0d> aci it failed with a message: Failed to enable unit: File /etc/systemd/system/nfd.service already exists. I created that file myself. So, I presume, it is enabled?
• 1208[10:13:48] <thebr> Yes it is
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• 1211[10:14:02] <thebr> thats what the systemctl enable command does
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• 1215[10:14:57] <bs0d> maybe that's the problem, I need to put my script in /lib/systemd/system, then run enable, and it will put a symlink to it into /ets/systemd/system
• 1216[10:16:34] <bs0d> oh yes, it helped. Now I can start and stop it
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• 1218[10:17:43] <aci> yes|good :)
• 1219[10:17:57] <bs0d> aci, thebr - thanks for help! Much appreciated. I assume that once enabled, systemd scripts start automatically and I do not need to do anything else?
• 1220[10:18:05] <aci> yes
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• 1225[10:22:56] <thebr> Correct, that would make it auto start and monitored by systemd
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• 1244[10:29:51] <wrksx> what are the emails stored in th ~/mbox file? I mean as opposed to /var/mail/<username>
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• 1255[10:32:19] <petn-randall> wrksx: It's stored in whatever format you configured your MTA/MDA to store it in.
• 1256[10:32:39] <petn-randall> wrksx: The two common formats are mbox and Maildir format.
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• 1258[10:33:10] <wrksx> petn-randall, okay so this is a result of me playing with the config without knowing what I was doing I guess
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• 1260[10:33:53] <ritzx> Hello :) Is this possible to completely disable IPv4 and use host as an ethernet bridge to vm only?
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• 1262[10:34:50] <ritzx> (it's very easy in windows by disabling all protocols in drivers except vm-specific bridge)
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• 1265[10:35:03] <wrksx> petn-randall, is this also expected that both /var/mail and /var/spool/mail both exists (one file per user in each)
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• 1267[10:35:15] <ritzx> drivers/connections
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• 1282[10:43:57] <petn-randall> ritzx: Sure, you don't need to disable IPv4 though, you just don't configure it.
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• 1287[10:45:10] <petn-randall> wrksx: 'ls -ld /var/spool/mail'
• 1288[10:45:14] <ritzx> petn-randall, it seems more secure to disable it, if possible.
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• 1290[10:45:38] <ritzx> petn-randall, ethernet-level bridge should suffice
• 1291[10:45:51] <wrksx> petn-randall, lol thanks
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• 1298[10:47:04] <jelly> maybe it's time to get rid of the old path, it's been like 20+ years since mboxes had been kept in /var/spool/mail on unix systems
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• 1307[10:52:06] <wrksx> I think my exim config is f****
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• 1309[10:52:25] <wrksx> I can't send mail to myself on the local system
• 1310[10:52:36] <wrksx> But I can send email to the outside
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• 1312[10:54:56] <wrksx> When I send an email to local user with specifying domain exim is trying to send it throught an external smtp which I configured in order to be able to send mail to the outside
• 1313[10:55:12] <wrksx> When I send an email to local user *without*
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• 1325[10:59:44] <Iridos> then?
• 1326[11:00:05] <Iridos> but I think that's pretty normal. You have to tell exim in the config what domains to consider as "local"
• 1327[11:00:25] <Tom-_> hi, wrks, try reconfiguring exim with dpkg-reconfigure
• 1328[11:00:32] <Tom-_> it sounds like it's using a smarthost configuration
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• 1333[11:01:09] <jelly> wrksx: a MTA has to be told what domains are to be delivered locally
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• 1344[11:07:38] <wrksx> jelly, that makes sense. But how does exim know my domain name, and why is that domain name used to send emails when I use the command mail -s 'test' localusername
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• 1349[11:10:03] <jelly> it's configured to do so. I'm not an exim4 (or any exim) person, no idea about the specifics
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• 1351[11:11:02] <jelly> MTAs on Debian in general apped the domain in /etc/mailname if none is specified by MUA (mail client, like mailx or mutt)
• 1352[11:11:08] <jelly> append*
• 1353[11:11:21] <wrksx> jelly, alright I'll have a look thx
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• 1356[11:11:54] <wrksx> jelly, that's it my domain name is in there
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• 1358[11:12:28] <Iridos> I just restarted evolution and it cannot connect to my imap servers anymore
• 1359[11:12:44] <jelly> !pal Iridos
• 1360[11:12:44] * dpkg points at Iridos and laughs
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• 1362[11:13:20] <Iridos> I suspect it's trying to get the password from some k- or other wallet
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• 1364[11:14:23] <nti__> hello i try to mount glusterfs via fstab in stretch. But it won't mount at boot. Found this bug. But it was fixed long ago. Could it be that the bug returned with systemd?
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• 1366[11:14:25] <nti__> replaced-url
• 1367[11:14:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1368[11:14:40] <Iridos> I don't even see anything in the config where the password is configured
• 1369[11:14:59] <nti__> Running mount -a after booting works. Just not mounting at boot time.
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• 1377[11:19:38] <galex-713> Hi
• 1378[11:20:18] <galex-713> I’m trying to compile a package, it uses cmake, libglib*-dev is installed, glib-genmarshal too, thus, and yet I get this error: replaced-url
• 1379[11:20:23] <galex-713> has someone any idea?
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• 1382[11:23:29] <themill> galex-713: I can't see any glib-gen stuff in the archive anywhere
• 1383[11:24:13] <galex-713> themill: which archive?
• 1384[11:24:23] <themill> the debian archive?
• 1385[11:24:25] <galex-713> glib-genmarshal is installed and within PATH (/usr/bin to be exact)
• 1386[11:25:04] <galex-713> dpkg -S glib-genmarshal -> […]\nlibglib2.0-dev: /usr/bin/glib-genmarshal
• 1387[11:25:04] <dpkg> You Fool! glib-genmarshal -> […]\nlibglib2.0-dev: /usr/bin/glib-genmarshal is installed!
• 1388[11:25:28] <themill> ah, thanks. It's helpful to be precise.
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• 1393[11:25:41] <galex-713> the “thus” was at the wrong place of the sentence
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• 1395[11:25:59] <galex-713> *is installed, thus, glib-genmarshal too, and yet […]
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• 1397[11:26:23] <themill> yeah, real package names help a lot. I've just spent 5 minutes looking for something that doesn't exist
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• 1399[11:27:10] <themill> It looks like that thing doesn't come with any config to help cmake find it
• 1400[11:27:14] <galex-713> all these version numbers in the file names don’t help them to be memorable
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• 1403[11:27:51] <galex-713> if debian just had a system to install several versions at once, instead of putting the version number inside the package name when they want to install several versions of the same library, it would be more consistant, imho
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• 1406[11:29:23] <themill> the former isn't going to happen; sonames in the package name are not only there for coninstallability
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• 1412[11:31:57] <galex-713> what are they for too then?
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• 1420[11:39:10] <themill> It allows correct dependencies on both API and ABI changes and tracking backwards (in)compatibility.
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• 1422[11:41:20] <themill> Multiple versions of this -dev package could never be coinstallable because they would all ship /usr/bin/glib-gettextize, for instance
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• 1444[11:58:53] <Ajzak> I know its not the place for it, but i need some urgent help with postfix configuration (possibly the problem is with the saslauthd). Anyone willing to waste 10 minutes trying to help me ? And sorry for asking like this probably breaking the i-need-help rules
• 1445[11:59:29] <nti__> Found the answer. When using glusterfs with system you need to add noauto,x-systemd.automount to the options in fstab.
• 1446[11:59:32] <nti__> replaced-url
• 1447[11:59:36] <nti__> *systemd
• 1448[11:59:59] <nti__> replaced-url
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• 1506[12:26:43] <Haxxa> I have a program that gives a non-zero exit code but still exits correctly however systemd shows the service as "Failed" as a result - is there a way to get systemd to ignore the exit code and thus not have the service show as failed?
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• 1509[12:28:18] <petn-randall> Haxxa: Is there no way to fix the program?
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• 1533[12:44:50] <acidtripper> does anybody has problems with nvidia 390.25 ?
• 1534[12:44:54] <acidtripper> propietary
• 1535[12:45:05] <acidtripper> freezing black screen when leaving pc like some hours?
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• 1537[12:45:15] <acidtripper> no way to log ttys or grpahis or anything
• 1538[12:45:24] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 1539[12:45:27] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1
• 1540[12:45:58] <jelly> acidtripper: how did you install it, from experimental or nvidia installe?
• 1541[12:46:08] <Haohmaru> acidtripper do you have power-saving for the monitor enabled?
• 1542[12:46:08] <jelly> and which debian release is this?
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• 1545[12:47:09] <jelly> acidtripper: and which kernel version (what does "uname -a" say)?
• 1546[12:47:47] <jelly> my home system is on 375.82-1~deb9u1 and stable enough
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• 1558[12:57:01] <acidtripper> jelly, im using 390.25 from nvidia installer
• 1559[12:57:18] <acidtripper> with .run and build essential and kernel-headers installed
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• 1563[12:57:33] <acidtripper> kernel is 4.9.0-5
• 1564[12:57:45] <acidtripper> a bit old and vulnerable for my taste
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• 1569[12:58:58] <acidtripper> freeze mostly happens when leaving pc alone like 5 hours then turn on monitor (connected by hdmi) and no screen no handshake
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• 1571[12:59:07] <acidtripper> replaced-url
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• 1573[12:59:12] <acidtripper> i found these
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• 1575[13:01:55] <towo^work> with nvidia from the .run you are at the wrong place and really allone
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• 1577[13:02:46] <acidtripper> nobody use it?
• 1578[13:03:16] <Haohmaru> more like, it is made by nvidia, it's not made by the debian team
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• 1582[13:03:22] <rant> we have working drivers in stable which is what we support here.. Debian stable
• 1583[13:03:59] <Haohmaru> if the issue is in the driver - complain to nvidia ;P~
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• 1587[13:05:23] <acidtripper> ill remove nvidia .run and install apt debian stable one
• 1588[13:05:29] <acidtripper> and see if having same trouble
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• 1597[13:09:49] <intx> anyone use shorewall on the latest stable? mine isn't starting on boot despite 'systemctl enable shorewall' (following replaced-url
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• 1600[13:10:52] <wrksx> after I read my local mail using the mail command, emails are tranfered to the ~/mbox file. Is there a standard way to consult those archived messages
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• 1607[13:15:26] <arCABAL> test
• 1608[13:15:43] <towo^work> fail
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• 1610[13:16:39] <Haohmaru> BOOOOOM /o\
• 1611[13:17:32] <somiaj> wrksx: I would use some other mail reader like mutt
• 1612[13:18:12] <acidtripper> [ 33112.523] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Resume swap group failed.
• 1613[13:18:12] <acidtripper> [ 33112.524] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Suspend swap group failed.
• 1614[13:18:18] <wrksx> somiaj, I have mutt installed, but it looks at /var/mail/<user> too
• 1615[13:18:20] <acidtripper> this is last part of xorg.0.log
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• 1619[13:19:07] <petn-randall> acidtripper: Are you sure the nvidia installer it fully removed? IIRC it overwrites some system libraries, you'll need to reinstall those.
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• 1621[13:19:19] <wrksx> somiaj, mail -f ~/mbox works fine, good enought for me
• 1622[13:19:22] <jelly> wrksx: this is just what "mail" does with old mail. you can open any mbox file with mutt, and configure it to look there by default. mutt -f ~/mbox
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• 1627[13:19:57] <wrksx> jelly, alright thanks
• 1628[13:20:28] <jelly> wrksx: also if you're messing with other user's mailboxes, you can tell mutt to open a folder in read-only mode, mutt -Rf ...
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• 1632[13:20:50] <wrksx> jelly, oh that's cool
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• 1634[13:20:57] <wrksx> jelly, thanks for the tip
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• 1641[13:22:40] <acidtripper> im having some hibernations suspend problem
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• 1648[13:24:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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• 1650[13:24:45] <symant> hellp
• 1651[13:25:07] <vfw> acidtripper: What is happening?
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• 1655[13:25:51] <Haohmaru> i too have suspend problems.. with some old-ish nvidia
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• 1657[13:26:22] <jelly> my desktop suspends well :-)
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• 1660[13:26:30] <Haohmaru> but it's not too bad
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• 1662[13:26:51] <jelly> I don't hibernate it. And it has a discrete card, not optimus
• 1663[13:27:07] <Haohmaru> what card?
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• 1666[13:27:27] <volter> Hello, can somebody fix the typo on replaced-url
• 1667[13:27:38] <volter> insances should be instances
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• 1680[13:30:04] <acidtripper> vfw, nvidia fail when going out from pc
• 1681[13:30:11] <acidtripper> seems is suspending
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• 1683[13:30:19] <acidtripper> and having that error [ 33112.523] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Resume swap group failed.
• 1684[13:30:19] <acidtripper> [ 33112.524] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Suspend swap group failed.
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• 1687[13:31:49] <vfw> acidtripper: replaced-url
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• 1689[13:32:18] <vfw> replaced-url
• 1690[13:32:46] <vfw> replaced-url
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• 1694[13:33:25] <acidtripper> vfw, im using lilo
• 1695[13:33:38] <acidtripper> must add resume=/dev/swap-part
• 1696[13:33:41] <acidtripper> to append
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• 1698[13:33:49] <vfw> ahhh
• 1699[13:33:55] <acidtripper> and of course i'll disable kde suspend
• 1700[13:33:59] <acidtripper> that thought was disabled
• 1701[13:34:23] <acidtripper> hate pcs to suspend, and this pc i use it everyday and as a home server
• 1702[13:34:27] <acidtripper> with lamp and vsftpd
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• 1704[13:35:00] <Haohmaru> vfw ugh, could this sort of UUID thing be a reason for wake-up from *suspend* to sometimes freeze?
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• 1711[13:35:49] <vfw> Haohmaru: Possibly...
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• 1717[13:37:14] <vfw> Haohmaru: We would also need to know about the swap partition and RAM
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• 1720[13:38:13] <Haohmaru> o_O "File /etc/fstab is being edited (by root with nano.. PID 7345)"
• 1721[13:38:38] <Haohmaru> am i being hacked ;P~
• 1722[13:38:44] <Haohmaru> i don't even use nano
• 1723[13:39:17] <vfw> acidtripper: Must be that suspend or hibernate is enabled by default....?
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• 1732[13:44:00] <acidtripper> Haohmaru, where did you found that info?
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• 1734[13:44:04] <acidtripper> or tried to edit it?
• 1735[13:44:05] <vfw> replaced-url
• 1736[13:44:19] <acidtripper> check if its not opened
• 1737[13:44:30] <acidtripper> kill nano and check /etc/fstab not being modified
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• 1788[14:06:03] <Haohmaru> acidtripper i went to open it with pico to see what's my swap partition UUID.. and pico told me that the file is already opened by someone else
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• 1790[14:06:12] <Haohmaru> with nano
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• 1793[14:06:27] <acidtripper> mmm netstat
• 1794[14:06:30] <acidtripper> ssh activated?
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• 1797[14:07:46] <Haohmaru> it does have an ssh service enabled
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• 1799[14:08:11] <Haohmaru> i'm certainly not connected to it, even if i was, i don't use "nano" .. i use "pico"
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• 1802[14:09:29] <yisel> hola de q se trata el grupo
• 1803[14:09:47] <Ool> yisel: de hablar en ingles
• 1804[14:09:54] <yisel> a ok
• 1805[14:10:03] <acidtripper> yisel, de donde eres chavalico
• 1806[14:10:11] <yisel> asi aprendo un poquis mas gracias
• 1807[14:10:29] <yisel> de guayana
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• 1811[14:11:15] <petn-randall> !es
• 1812[14:11:16] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 1816[14:12:46] <yisel> pero me pueden agregar a ese grupo plis
• 1817[14:12:57] <|ast|> yisel: escribi asi /join #debian-es
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• 1821[14:15:36] <Haohmaru> wait, is "pico" a pseudonim for "nano" ? x_x
• 1822[14:15:42] <Haohmaru> >:/
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• 1824[14:16:21] <Haohmaru> i think it's time to unplug teh ethernet cable and wrap the computer in thick alu foil
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• 1828[14:18:10] <Haohmaru> i don't see a "nano" process in lxtask
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• 1832[14:19:06] <Olanzapin> I got a tricky question. I'm installing raid5 system and my raidcontroller is an Perc 100. It does not autodetect my raidconfig. I'm installing software raid md the system gets very unresponsive and sluggish.
• 1833[14:19:32] <jelly> Haohmaru: nano is a clone of pine's pico editor.
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• 1836[14:20:47] <jelly> Haohmaru: readlink -f $(which pico)
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• 1838[14:21:31] <Haohmaru> that says "/bin/nano"
• 1839[14:21:49] <jelly> so yes, pico is nano
• 1840[14:22:15] <Haohmaru> that is soooo logical, thanks linux >:/
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• 1844[14:22:49] <Haohmaru> so it could be pico then, and it could be me.. except i am not aware of having an opened pico fstab session
• 1845[14:23:30] <Haohmaru> and i don't see any root pico tasks in lxtask either
• 1846[14:23:59] <Haohmaru> nor PID 7345
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• 1848[14:24:12] <jelly> it might be a leftover lockfile
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• 1850[14:25:01] <Haohmaru> this? -> replaced-url
• 1851[14:25:29] <Haohmaru> so how do i "fix" it?
• 1852[14:25:55] <Haohmaru> or how do i not break anything ;P~
• 1853[14:26:16] <yisel> what do they do
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• 1863[14:29:53] <g0zzy> What is now the accepted way of showing network interfaces? ifconfig used to be so easy
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• 1867[14:31:16] <tw> ip link show
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• 1871[14:32:22] <tw> you also have your `ip addr show` if you also want the IP addresses.
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• 1876[14:33:35] <tw> alternatively `busybox ifconfig`
• 1877[14:33:42] <bites> that's synonymous with "ip a"
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• 1879[14:34:05] <tw> cute, if you can remember all of the one letter abbreviations.
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• 1890[14:38:30] <Haohmaru> okay, well, it seems that the UUID of my swap partition as in fstab is the same as that in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
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• 1896[14:41:57] <yisel> my name is yisel
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• 1903[14:47:39] <BluesKaj> yisel, yes we can see your nick
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• 1909[14:53:49] <l0kmahI3O4> test
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• 1923[14:56:52] <g0zzy> thanks
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• 2000[15:33:33] <jelly> Haohmaru: just delete the lock
• 2001[15:33:46] <jelly> (Re: nano)
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• 2003[15:34:17] <categat> Haohmaru from Neogeo
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• 2009[15:39:12] <Haohmaru> >:)
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• 2014[15:40:08] <categat> :D
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• 2046[16:00:02] <Zgrokl> Hi, I want to use my intel vga display with one nvidia card on pci (not used only for gstreamer use case). My bios settings is ok, but when Xorg load it's say Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
• 2047[16:00:14] <Zgrokl> so every opengl application doesn't want to load
• 2048[16:00:41] <Zgrokl> how can i do that ?
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• 2053[16:06:15] <SporkWitch> running into an issue with setting up sudo perms: replaced-url
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• 2059[16:08:37] <bashar> Wo
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• 2073[16:15:42] <tw> SporkWitch: is there anything after that line? sudoers is "last match wins"
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• 2076[16:18:02] <SporkWitch> tw: it's the last rule
• 2077[16:18:29] <SporkWitch> tw; just have the default %admin and %sudo rules, so the only match for that user would be that line anyway
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• 2079[16:18:58] <SporkWitch> though maybe if i try allowing tmux attach as that user instead...
• 2080[16:19:15] <SporkWitch> (the goal is to let discord admins attach to the tmux session a bot is running in so they can restart it)
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• 2085[16:21:27] <SporkWitch> derp, figured it out; restricting it to run as a given user, you have to manually specify the user in the sudo call
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• 2087[16:21:43] <SporkWitch> it isn't implied if only one is specified, like i thought it would be
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• 2092[16:23:03] <tw> Oh, you mean sudo -u root /bin/su modmail works? Practically speaking, /bin/su should handle non-root calls appropriately, so leaving it unspecified is probably okay.
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• 2094[16:23:34] <greycat> I read it as "must do sudo -u botuser tmux whatever, not just sudo tmux whatever"
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• 2099[16:24:51] <tw> Something I've discovered about trying to sudo + screen/tmux is the pty usually isn't owned by the same user, so you get an error.
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• 2103[16:25:08] <g0zzy> [ 4195.899722] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlx74f06d1aa938: link is not ready << Is that about a wireless chip? It's the only thing (!) in dmesg
• 2104[16:25:30] <greycat> the "wl" means wireless, I believe
• 2105[16:25:59] <g0zzy> I don't see much wirelessish in lspci
• 2106[16:26:23] <greycat> The MAC address in the interface name also implies that it's a removable thing (USB or whatever).
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• 2109[16:27:36] <g0zzy> Ah i see. Maybe there's a small usb nic in this machine i haven't seen
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• 2111[16:27:52] <g0zzy> ip a shows:3: wlx74f06d1aa938: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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• 2113[16:28:17] <greycat> If you're not trying to use the device, I would just ignore it.
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• 2120[16:30:11] <g0zzy> Well unfortunately most non-power-user people want to use wireless, so i'd probably need to get it working
• 2121[16:30:38] <g0zzy> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 13d3:3306 IMC Networks Mediao 802.11n WLAN [Realtek RTL8191SU] << is what lsusb gives
• 2122[16:30:50] <greycat> "most"? "probably"?
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• 2124[16:31:13] <g0zzy> == almost certainly
• 2125[16:31:17] <greycat> Is it your machine or not? Are you trying to get this USB device to work, or not?
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• 2128[16:31:45] <g0zzy> Not mine, no. Yes, it should work. At installation, it wasn't shown
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• 2131[16:32:56] <tw> lsusb will print the list of attached usb devices.
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• 2133[16:33:15] <tw> oh, nm, you already did that.
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• 2135[16:33:24] <g0zzy> For one thing, it's flooding the logs
• 2136[16:33:38] <greycat> dpkg, rtl8191su
• 2137[16:33:38] <dpkg> r8712u is a Linux kernel module produced by the r8712u staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191SU and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. It replaces the rtl8192su staging driver (r8192s_usb module) which was removed at Linux 2.6.37. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8712u.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. replaced-url
• 2138[16:34:02] <g0zzy> I installed firmware-realtek
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• 2188[16:54:51] <f-a> I need to slightly modify the position of a pic in a pdf, is this even possible?
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• 2193[16:58:25] <somiaj> f-a: editing the .pdf file can be difficult, usually better to edit the original soruce that generated the .pdf file
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• 2195[16:58:53] <somiaj> There are some tools that can try to do this, I thikn libreoffice can try, so can pdfedit, or pdftk
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• 2199[17:00:24] <f-a> somiaj: thanks.
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• 2215[17:06:38] <Emil> Hey
• 2216[17:07:10] <Emil> What package do the openssl libcrypto c function manual pages come from?
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• 2218[17:07:57] <somiaj> Emil: do you have them on your system or trying to install them on your system?
• 2219[17:08:31] <Emil> somiaj: I have the openssl package
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• 2223[17:08:58] <Emil> which, if I'm not mistaken, gives me the man page fro crypto and evp
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• 2225[17:09:15] <somiaj> so you are unsure if you ahve the manpage or not?
• 2226[17:09:17] <Emil> yeah
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• 2228[17:10:01] <somiaj> I don't see any special -doc package for that, do you know what the manpages are named? You could try apt-file to search for them by file name.
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• 2230[17:11:08] <somiaj> Emil: dpkg -L openssl also lists a bunch of man pages, there is a /usr/share/man/man7/crypto.7ssl.gz manapge in that package
• 2231[17:11:16] <jelly> judd: file EVP_DigestInit.*
• 2232[17:11:21] <judd> Search for EVP_DigestInit.* in stretch/amd64: libssl-doc: usr/share/man/man3/EVP_DigestInit.3ssl.gz; manpages-fr-extra: usr/share/man/fr/man3/EVP_DigestInit.3SSL.gz
• 2233[17:11:29] <jelly> Emil: libssl-doc ^^
• 2234[17:11:35] <Emil> ah I see
• 2235[17:11:38] <Emil> thanks jelly
• 2236[17:11:42] <somiaj> ahh there was my error, I was looking for openssl and doc, not libssl and doc.
• 2237[17:11:59] <Emil> and openssl does not depend on libssl :D
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• 2239[17:12:17] <Emil> Nowaitwhat
• 2240[17:12:20] <Emil> I'm blind
• 2241[17:12:23] <Emil> yesitdoes
• 2242[17:12:24] <somiaj> Emil: libssl-doc is part of the openssl source package.
• 2243[17:12:31] <jelly> it just does not depend on libssl-doc
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• 2245[17:12:44] <Emil> Anycase yeah, thanks for the help, I'll see if I get everything working with installing that package
• 2246[17:14:03] <Emil> Ah, they are case sensitive
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• 2251[17:15:51] <jelly> C functions tend to be, yes
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• 2253[17:16:49] <greycat> "tend to be", in the same way that trees "tend to be" plants.
• 2254[17:17:21] <jelly> unless they are red and black
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• 2261[17:20:28] <Iridos> file system tree ^^
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• 2269[17:25:16] <Emil> jelly: yeah but I'd expect to find them with autocomplete
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• 2344[17:57:29] <zerocool> hey guys, i just switch a vm disk around, basically there is no /dev/sda1 anymore it's /dev/vda1, when i go to boot it says that sda1 is gone and drops me into emergancy shell
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• 2347[17:57:59] <greycat> which is why you use UUIDs everywhere instead of ephemeral device names
• 2348[17:58:01] <zerocool> i am using uuids everywhere, but still when it boots it says it can't find sda1 so im wondering where i might this
• 2349[17:58:07] <zerocool> ^
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• 2351[17:58:43] <zerocool> this is debian 9 basically as-is from install, so it does use uuids... in grub and in /etc/fstab... but obviously there is something i am missing
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• 2353[17:59:21] <greycat> try rebuilding the initrd image?
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• 2365[18:01:12] <zerocool> i cannot do that from this shell im guessing, busybox?
• 2366[18:01:16] <zerocool> (initramfs)
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• 2370[18:02:40] <greycat> I meant, after you get it booted normally. Which you would do however you need to do -- installation CDROM, USB drive, etc.
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• 2373[18:03:34] <jelly> ... editing kernel root= parameter in grub and set it to right device
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• 2381[18:05:35] <zerocool> ohhhh, i see it mentioned when editing grub whyyyyy
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• 2385[18:05:53] <zerocool> for loading the kernel
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• 2390[18:07:38] <zerocool> what's the point of using uuids everywhere and then having one line where it could use uuid but doesn't which stops the system from booting
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• 2396[18:09:52] <zerocool> anyway, thanks guys. jelly you were basically right although it did have further down root= with uuid listed it just wasn't making it that far or it was pertaining to something else, i set the kernel root= from sda to vda, got it and did a update-grub and reboot it's okay now
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• 2408[18:14:50] <Epx998> In my d-i preseed, is it possible to use an early command to get and set the network interface mac address to a variable?
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• 2429[18:24:23] <g0zzy> greycat: I wonder what i can do about this 'hidden' usb nic?
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• 2434[18:24:54] <greycat> load its driver & firmware and do whatever it is that you do for wireless NICs to make them work. The wiki has a WiFi howto page.
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• 2436[18:25:47] <g0zzy> Well it's cryptic. It seems to be some sort of realtek chipset but i have that firmware installed
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• 2522[18:46:13] <Bloembergen> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2523[18:46:13] <Bloembergen> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
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• 2525[18:46:13] <Bloembergen> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2526[18:46:13] <Bloembergen> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
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• 2549[18:46:41] <dtkceciqavfihgij> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2550[18:46:41] <dtkceciqavfihgij> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
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• 2556[18:46:44] <kusutdah> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2557[18:46:44] <kusutdah> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2558[18:46:44] <kusutdah> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2559[18:46:44] <kusutdah> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
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• 2572[18:46:52] <September> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
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• 2574[18:46:52] <September> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
• 2575[18:46:52] <September> Do you care of OSS destiny? Want freedom of choice? Linux has always been about freedom and choice, but we lost it since systemd infected all our favorite distros. Part #ubuntu/#debian and Join #devuan now, start contributing to your freedom.
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• 2582[18:47:57] <SporkWitch> stupid eternal september, i miss good trolls :'(
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• 2591[18:51:26] <tw> Or they could just remove systemd and use sysvinit <.< It still works, even in stretch.
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• 2595[18:52:55] <abrotman> tw: stop, logic has no place on the internet ...
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• 2600[18:53:43] <metxn> it doesn't tw
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• 2605[18:56:07] <iodev> LOL!
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• 2615[19:07:22] <Emil> heh, we could talk about systemd but that's pretty stupid since it would bloat to unnecessary proportions, like systemd.
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• 2617[19:08:01] <iodev> Emil, the simplest way to deal with it is "Whatever floats your boat!!!"
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• 2620[19:08:49] <Emil> iodev: but truly, it's important to know where your boat is heading and not just blindly accept the cruise provided by systemd
• 2621[19:09:31] <annadane> can we leave the support channel clear now for actual support?
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• 2624[19:10:02] <Emil> annadane: a couple of puns here and there should be okay once a while ;)
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• 2631[19:14:00] <tw> metxn: Seems like it does replaced-url
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• 2636[19:16:50] <metastable> Emil: I failed to identify a single pun in what you wrote.
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• 2646[19:19:53] <Emil> metastable: that's systemd for you: it's so bloated transmitting it would take too much time and you'd timeout
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• 2648[19:20:39] <metastable> Emil: Right, still not seeing any puns. Just a lot of pointless FUD and whining.
• 2649[19:20:51] <Emil> aren't we salty today :D
• 2650[19:20:54] <Emil> relax
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• 2655[19:23:45] <iodev> Emil, systemd is a tool, not a religion
• 2656[19:24:05] <annadane> again, leave this channel open for actual support
• 2657[19:24:07] <simbalion> I am having difficulty installing spamassassin, it complains about dependencies, but in fact I think it's broken, and perhaps someone in here can help me fix it?
• 2658[19:24:12] <annadane> if you want to talk about systemd go to #debian-offtopic
• 2659[19:24:30] <annadane> !bat
• 2660[19:24:30] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2661[19:24:33] <annadane> simbalion, ^
• 2662[19:24:38] <Emil> iodev: well, since any criticism is automatically branded as FUD and whining it does seem more like a religion than a tool ;) but yeah better people than me have argued about it so no reason to continue it on this channel :D
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• 2665[19:26:34] <simbalion> annadane: Thanks, pasted at replaced-url
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• 2669[19:33:35] <annadane> simbalion, i'm not really sure how to solve it but you could try purging spamassasin and trying it again
• 2670[19:33:40] <annadane> looks like it's half-installed
• 2671[19:34:06] <simbalion> ugh, I didn't want to have to do that because it'd erase the configurations
• 2672[19:34:10] <annadane> possibly also do that with sa-compile as wlel
• 2673[19:34:12] <annadane> well*
• 2674[19:34:22] <annadane> right, well, maybe someone else has another idea
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• 2678[19:34:59] <simbalion> well tried --purge, same error on install tho
• 2679[19:35:23] <simbalion> "This account is currently not available" is weird, I've never seen that before
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• 2681[19:35:42] <simbalion> hrm, I wonder if it's referring to a local unix account
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• 2685[19:37:16] <simbalion> it looks like it uses 'debian-spamd'
• 2686[19:37:26] <simbalion> tho I dunno why that error would appear
• 2687[19:37:42] <annadane> i'm dumb and accidentally closed hexchat :P
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• 2689[19:38:19] <simbalion> If anyone can help with this I'd be grateful: replaced-url
• 2690[19:38:39] <alkisg> simbalion: this doesn't include the actual spamassassin error
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• 2692[19:38:41] <alkisg> Pastebin that too
• 2693[19:39:55] <alkisg> Whoops sorry didn't read line 12
• 2694[19:40:13] <alkisg> can you also paste the postinst, from /var/lib/dpkg/info/spamassassin.postinst?
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• 2696[19:41:09] <simbalion> I have appended that here: replaced-url
• 2697[19:42:34] <annadane> oh, postinst. didn't even think of that.
• 2698[19:43:06] <alkisg> simbalion: what's the output of ls -ld /var/lib/spamassassin ?
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• 2702[19:44:37] <simbalion> drwxr-xr-x 3 debian-spamd debian-spamd 4096 Feb 21 13:34 /var/lib/spamassassin
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• 2716[19:52:32] <alkisg> simbalion: put a `set -x` on top of that script so that you see the lines that error out, and run the install again
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• 2722[19:55:21] <simbalion> alkisg: new output: replaced-url
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• 2724[19:55:55] <simbalion> if I'm reading it right it is failing at running sa-update as the debian-spamd user
• 2725[19:56:18] <greycat> This sounds familiar.. what did I do with spamassassin...? :(
• 2726[19:56:40] <greycat> I seem to remember there was something I had to do to make it run on my new computer, other than just installing it.
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• 2728[19:57:39] <simbalion> greycat: I run it on dozens of systems this is the only one having trouble
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• 2735[19:59:40] <simbalion> I changed the shell to /bin/false and it still fails, I changed it to /bin/bash and it's working now but obviously I can't leave it as bash
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• 2737[20:00:01] <simbalion> so maybe something is broken with /usr/sbin/nologin
• 2738[20:00:04] <greycat> "the shell" of what?
• 2739[20:00:13] <simbalion> debian-spamd
• 2740[20:00:37] <greycat> unicorn:~$ grep debian-spamd /etc/passwd
• 2741[20:00:37] <greycat> debian-spamd:x:108:113::/var/lib/spamassassin:/bin/sh
• 2742[20:00:57] <greycat> why "obviously" can't you leave it as /bin/bash or /bin/sh?
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• 2746[20:02:35] <simbalion> it's a non user account why would it have a real shell?
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• 2748[20:03:04] <greycat> Perhaps it uses it for something. What's the problem?
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• 2753[20:04:57] <simbalion> Whats to stop someone from logging in as that account?
• 2754[20:05:12] <greycat> The lack of a password or an RSA key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 2755[20:05:35] <simbalion> Ah
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• 2758[20:07:03] <simbalion> Thanks for the help everyone :)
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• 2794[20:38:38] <disi> I have tried removing "routers" from request in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, but it seems that when my dhcp lease is renewed, it overwrites my custom gateway. how do i prevent this?
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• 2802[20:50:28] <jhutchins_wk> disi: The DHCP server doesn't have to honor your configuration, it can override your requests.
• 2803[20:51:06] <jhutchins_wk> What you have to do is read the docs for dhclient.conf and find out how to override or append the route settings.
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• 2808[20:52:55] <jhutchins_wk> Basically the server has three settings: send, don't send, send-if-asked.
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• 2810[20:53:22] <jhutchins_wk> (For don't send you just don't specify that item)
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• 2848[21:25:14] <disi> jhutchins: ok, ty
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• 2855[21:28:25] <jhutchins_wk> disi: Sorry I don't have specifics.
• 2856[21:29:05] <tw> might want to look into dhclient-exit-hooks.d as described in man dhclient-script.
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• 2858[21:29:29] <disi> jhutchins: all good... im just a little surprised that what im trying to do (take everythihg dhcp offers except keep my custom default route) isnt more common
• 2859[21:29:32] <tw> I suspect even without the router option, it's still going to wipe out your custom gateway.
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• 2861[21:29:51] <greycat> Custom default route? No, that's not common.
• 2862[21:29:58] <greycat> Custom resolv.conf? Super extremely common.
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• 2963[23:12:01] <die7> hi, is there some tool for deb management like spacewalk?
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• 2973[23:20:12] <dondelelcaro> die7: I think most people are using puppet/chef/ansible to do that sort of thing
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• 2990[23:35:18] <Ubiquity4321> afternoon all
• 2991[23:35:22] <Ubiquity4321> o/
• 2992[23:35:44] <Ubiquity4321> anyone have any familiarity on hpcc?
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• 2997[23:39:54] <annadane> Ubiquity4321, if you have a question it's best to just ask it rather than wait for specific people
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• 3000[23:41:33] <Ubiquity4321> So I built a 5 node cluster computer using trash computers, and I want to use the hpcc package to test it. There's no man page and I can't find a readme file on usage
• 3001[23:42:31] <Ubiquity4321> Been googling for a few hours now on usage details and for the life of me I can't figure it out
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• 3004[23:43:20] <Ubiquity4321> The only thing they have to contact them is a mailing list
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• 3006[23:43:46] <Ubiquity4321> so I was wondering, being the intelligent, amazing people at #debian, you could possibly point me in some kind of other direction I haven't looked yet
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• 3013[23:47:55] <Ubiquity4321> I'm probably in the wrong place tbh, sorry to bother
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• 3016[23:51:13] <annadane> i was going to answer and they left...
• 3017[23:51:57] <acidtripper> what did he ask annadane
• 3018[23:52:00] <annadane> well, sent them a memo
• 3019[23:52:10] <annadane> wanted to know how to use the hpcc package
• 3020[23:54:00] <annadane> anyway if anyone has the same question replaced-url
• 3021[23:59:02] <Emil> What's the difference between clang-format, clang-format-3.8, clang-format-3.9 and clang-format-5.0?
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• 3025[23:59:48] <Emil> (looking for a commandline c autoformatter with my own rules)
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