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6 [00:02:45] <bites> you can do it manually, by formating the usb gpt + fat32 and copying the contents of the iso. but rather ask the windows channel.
7 [00:03:03] <Dungeon> if you dont use a space it will search in the /nginx dir?
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16 [00:06:24] <Dungeon> what would be the syntax to find a file called file.unknownext in an unknown dir
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22 [00:09:20] <bites> Dungeon: find / -name "file.*"
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24 [00:09:55] <Dungeon> without the ""'s?
25 [00:10:01] <Dungeon> or with?
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27 [00:10:14] <bites> just like i wrote it
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30 [00:11:12] <edgar> so i installed radiotray and when i attempt to rightclick it, it doesn't work?
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34 [00:12:15] <Dungeon> hmmm what is the /usr/share/augeas folder? has a bunch of aug files in it?
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48 [00:20:46] <Guest77235> hello
49 [00:20:52] <Guest77235> how to grub-mkconfig a hdd /dev/sda from a live usb debian? current error: grub-probe failed canonical path overlay .
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75 [00:42:38] <Dungeon> im not finding anymore filename.*
76 [00:42:54] <Dungeon> is there a way to search for a program that might be named filename
77 [00:43:23] <Dungeon> or would it show in the find search when i searched for filename.*?
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80 [00:44:24] <bites> there is a dot still. just edit it, it's not that hard.
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88 [00:49:07] <bites> that's a bash glob and not a regex, that's why .* matches dor + any string and not just any string.
89 [00:49:19] <bites> * dot + any string
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116 [01:04:12] <aindilis> could someone please help me with debian 9 mariadb password reset, I can't for the life of me get this
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123 [01:04:56] <anotherone> hey guys
124 [01:05:08] <anotherone> i try to install a package
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127 [01:05:54] <anotherone> which depends on libqt5core5a (>= 5.5.0)
128 [01:05:55] <bazhang> which package
129 [01:06:01] <anotherone> why does this package not get update
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131 [01:07:02] <dvs> ,v libqt5core5a
132 [01:07:03] <judd> Package: libqt5core5a on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1; buster: 5.9.2+dfsg-10; sid: 5.9.2+dfsg-12; experimental: 5.10.1+dfsg-1
133 [01:07:10] <bazhang> anotherone, which version of debian and what package
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135 [01:07:16] <anotherone> just got this
136 [01:07:23] <anotherone> i have to go to version 9 right?
137 [01:07:55] <anotherone> im sorry
138 [01:08:02] <anotherone> thank you guys!!! <3
139 [01:08:59] <aindilis> can anyone help?
140 [01:09:13] <aindilis> I've reset mysql root passwrds a lot and this is really unbelievable
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148 [01:13:55] <anotherone> ok guys
149 [01:13:59] <wpostma> Has anyone installed Dell OMSA (management stuff) on Debian Stretch? The OMSA repos on their web site don't seem to have OMSA package builds yet, but I wondered if there were pre-release builds somewhere.
150 [01:14:11] <anotherone> i tried to "apt-get dist-upgrade"
151 [01:14:14] <anotherone> it worked
152 [01:14:20] <anotherone> now when i boot
153 [01:14:27] <anotherone> it boots in tty
154 [01:14:29] <anotherone> -.-
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161 [01:18:56] <anotherone> replaced-url
162 [01:18:58] <anotherone> please help
163 [01:19:13] <anotherone> i also removed the windows partition maybe thats the issue?
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170 [01:22:35] <anotherone> anyone plz?
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179 [01:26:16] <g0zzy> You mean it doesn't finish booting?
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181 [01:26:48] <Miguel2013> can anybody tell me what's a fork
182 [01:27:20] <bazhang> Miguel2013, devuan is a fork of debian without systemd
183 [01:27:38] <Brigo> Miguel2013, when you make a copy of a program and make your own version from there.
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185 [01:28:05] <Brigo> anotherone, does it bott in tty? you have a console?
186 [01:28:14] <anotherone> yes
187 [01:28:26] <anotherone> it boots into the tty console
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190 [01:28:59] <anotherone> im kind of freaking out right now
191 [01:29:11] <Brigo> can you login?
192 [01:29:13] <Miguel2013> Brigo, from the code?
193 [01:29:20] <Brigo> Miguel2013, yes.
194 [01:29:35] <anotherone> Bringo i can log in
195 [01:30:13] <Brigo> what do you do to mess the system? upgrade? what are you using? stretch?
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197 [01:30:59] <anotherone> 1. i had a partition with windows on it and removed it and also the system reserved ntfs partion
198 [01:31:16] <anotherone> 2. i did dist-upgrade
199 [01:31:30] <anotherone> and also i might have been messing around with some qt5 packages
200 [01:31:52] <bazhang> messing around
201 [01:31:59] <bazhang> that would do it
202 [01:32:14] <Brigo> anotherone, are you using stable? why did you upgrade?
203 [01:33:15] <anotherone> i tried to install synergy and libqt5core5a 5.5 was not meet so i tried to download it manually and then i had some dependencies
204 [01:33:29] <anotherone> i didn't realize that i just had to upgrade to stretch
205 [01:34:04] <Brigo> anotherone, so you were using jessie and now you have upgraded to stretch? i am getting lost.
206 [01:34:09] <anotherone> so i uninstalled libqt5core5a and maybe some other dependencies so that i can install libqt5core5a 5.5 and didn't realize that its not debian 8
207 [01:34:54] <anotherone> after that i did "apt-get dist-upgrade"
208 [01:35:10] <anotherone> but now when i boot on the green debian screen it still says debian 8
209 [01:35:13] <Brigo> anotherone, the most likely problem is you lost graphic driver support. Do you know what driver are you using?
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211 [01:35:41] <g0zzy> Fixing it might take longer than getting your data off and reinstalling
212 [01:36:01] <Brigo> apt-get dist-upgrade won't change the debian version unless you modify the sources file /etc/apt/sources.lst
213 [01:36:13] <anotherone> no i don't its a carbon x1 i think its a cpu intell graphics thing
214 [01:36:29] <anotherone> should i try to modify the sources.lst?
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216 [01:36:38] <Brigo> anotherone, have you mouse support?
217 [01:36:48] <Brigo> anotherone, not at all.
218 [01:36:49] <anotherone> noep im just in the tty console
219 [01:37:21] <Brigo> you can have mouse support in console with gpm package installed.
220 [01:37:46] <anotherone> should i try that what would that do?
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222 [01:38:45] <anotherone> should i install gpm?
223 [01:39:14] <Brigo> anotherone, not for now. I would like to check your Xorg.conf file, i need you to write in the console this:
224 [01:39:47] <Brigo> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
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226 [01:40:05] <Brigo> that will send the file to a server and paste a link i will need.
227 [01:41:03] <anotherone> does this leak something?
228 [01:41:16] <Brigo> anotherone, yes, that file :)
229 [01:41:57] <anotherone> are there some important informations in there like idk i dont want to get leaked?
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232 [01:43:00] <Brigo> anotherone, no. If you want my help i'll need some trust here.
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235 [01:44:10] <anotherone> send you the link via pm
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239 [01:45:10] <Brigo> anotherone, i was wrong it is not the driver, were you using kde? i think you uninstalled it or something very important about it.
240 [01:46:07] <anotherone> no gnome
241 [01:46:50] <anotherone> it must be some qt stuff
242 [01:47:05] <anotherone> and i think i replaced debian 8 qt packages with debian 9 packages
243 [01:48:01] <Brigo> anotherone, that would not be an issue, gnome uses gtk not qt. Check if the gnome packages are still installed with dpkg -l "*gnome*"
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246 [01:48:32] <Brigo> the line leading with ii are ok, with other thing not so goo.
247 [01:48:34] <Brigo> good*
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250 [01:48:52] <anotherone> there are some un lines
251 [01:50:06] <anotherone> pm you my output
252 [01:50:13] <Brigo> ok.
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254 [01:50:58] <anotherone> removing the windows partition and the nfts system reserved partition should also be no problem right?
255 [01:51:21] <Brigo> anotherone, it should not be a problem, right.
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258 [01:52:06] <Brigo> anotherone, as you can see too, you have uninstalled a bunch of gnome packages, i suggest you install them back. I think the easy way is with apt-get install gnome.
259 [01:53:24] <anotherone> replaced-url
260 [01:54:07] <anotherone> i can try to uninstall the packages i installed before
261 [01:54:34] <anotherone> i remember something about the libreoffice packages before
262 [01:55:06] <Brigo> anotherone, yes, try aptitude, it will give you some selections you may like.
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266 [01:58:00] <anotherone> replaced-url
267 [01:58:02] <anotherone> is what im getting
268 [01:58:08] <anotherone> but if i hit yes
269 [01:58:17] <anotherone> and do it again the same thing comes
270 [01:59:00] <radio_nowhere> Is laptop-mode-tools still the gold standard for laptops? I was a little surprised it wasn't a dependency of task-laptop.
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274 [02:00:21] <anotherone> maybe i should just try uninstall some of the packages i installed before untill i can install gnome again?
275 [02:00:39] <Brigo> anotherone, i think it could help
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277 [02:01:12] <Brigo> anotherone, just for you information, don't install packages from outside debian. You'll break your system.
278 [02:01:16] <Brigo> !frankendebian
279 [02:01:16] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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281 [02:03:03] <anotherone> ill fore sure never do that again
282 [02:03:07] <anotherone> :/
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290 [02:08:03] <anotherone> rip
291 [02:08:08] <Faun> hi, anyone experiencing issues with Gimp on Debian sid?
292 [02:08:23] <anotherone> "apt-get: command not found
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296 [02:08:53] <anotherone> apt-get autoremove gcc-8-base: amd64 was not good
297 [02:08:57] <anotherone> fml
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303 [02:11:13] <Brigo> anotherone, that was it? the only package you installed?
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305 [02:11:24] <anotherone> noep
306 [02:11:27] <anotherone> but i uninstalled it
307 [02:11:35] <anotherone> now i dont even have apt-get anymore
308 [02:11:47] <Brigo> try apt-get install gnome-core and paste the output
309 [02:12:09] <anotherone> zsh: command not found: apt-get
310 [02:12:11] <Brigo> and aptitude?
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313 [02:12:40] <anotherone> noep
314 [02:12:41] <anotherone> omg
315 [02:12:43] <anotherone> fuck me
316 [02:12:47] <Brigo> isn¡t there /usr/bin/apt-get ?
317 [02:12:58] <bazhang> anotherone, language please
318 [02:13:35] <anotherone> noep
319 [02:13:38] <anotherone> sorry bazhang
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323 [02:14:54] <anotherone> can you just help me i noticed i need to do a git push
324 [02:15:11] <anotherone> and it says
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328 [02:15:45] <anotherone> "ssh: Could not resolve hostname bitbucket.org: Name or service not known"
329 [02:15:55] <anotherone> "fatal: Could not read from remote repository
330 [02:16:15] <anotherone> "Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists"
331 [02:17:07] <Brigo> anotherone, are you sure you have connection?
332 [02:17:32] <anotherone> yes same as before
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335 [02:18:42] <anotherone> got "This device cannot do calls on its own it is not a modem
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337 [02:18:48] <anotherone> like random in my input line
338 [02:19:51] <Brigo> anotherone, sorry, i have to go.
339 [02:20:19] <anotherone> wtf
340 [02:20:23] <anotherone> did you hack me? xD
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342 [02:21:35] <awal1> :D
343 [02:22:11] <awal1> anotherone, your solution is so easy
344 [02:22:25] <anotherone> what is it?
345 [02:22:33] <awal1> do you have important data in that broken system?
346 [02:22:48] <Miguel2013> what do u mean by system
347 [02:22:58] <Miguel2013> the OS the computer or the state of utah
348 [02:23:12] <anotherone> i just noticed i have to get one folder of that pc
349 [02:23:16] <anotherone> or make a git push
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351 [02:23:21] <anotherone> thats my biggest issue
352 [02:23:50] <awal1> anotherone: your easy solution is : reinstall after making a back-up of that
353 [02:23:50] <Brigo> good luck anotherone.
354 [02:24:05] <anotherone> thanks guys
355 [02:24:25] <awal1> you'll lose more and more time trying to fix your system than reinstall
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368 [02:30:10] <Faun> anotherone, perhaps your system isn't resolving the address for bitbucket.org
369 [02:30:19] <Faun> can you check the output for
370 [02:30:26] <Faun> $ nslookup bitbucket.org
371 [02:31:05] <anotherone> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
372 [02:31:21] <anotherone> if config shows only lo interface
373 [02:31:29] <Faun> anotherone, can you add the following line at the start of the /etc/resolv.conf file?
374 [02:31:40] <Faun> nameserver 8.8.8.8
375 [02:31:57] <anotherone> im connected trough wifi
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377 [02:32:25] <Faun> ah ok, sorry, but are you talking about the same host you are chatting from?
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382 [02:32:48] <anotherone> noep
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384 [02:33:55] <anotherone> why do i only have the lo interface?
385 [02:33:56] <anotherone> omg
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400 [02:45:04] <anotherone> guys
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402 [02:45:11] <anotherone> im a real noob without my gui
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404 [02:45:19] <anotherone> i plugged in a usb
405 [02:45:25] <anotherone> did
406 [02:45:30] <pav> ok anotherone
407 [02:45:32] <pav> calm down
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409 [02:45:47] <anotherone> sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usb
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418 [02:45:55] <anotherone> how can i write onto the usb stick now?
419 [02:46:20] <anotherone> if i do echo "test" > test.txt
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421 [02:46:25] <anotherone> i get permission denied
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428 [02:51:07] <pav> anotherone: what do you want to acomplish ?
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430 [02:53:15] <pav> if you want to write then 'sudo echo "test" > test.txt' instead [02:46:19] <anotherone> if i do echo "test" > test.txt
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432 [02:53:15] <pav> [02:46:24] <anotherone> i get permission denied
433 [02:53:41] <anotherone> nvm it only had root access
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459 [03:23:20] <Miguel2013> pav, it works on windows 10 too
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497 [03:51:35] <hanasaki> how do you get a debian iso onto a specific usb partition so it will boot?
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500 [03:52:02] <themill> The installer doesn't like that
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502 [03:52:13] <hanasaki> :(
503 [03:52:36] <hanasaki> objective is to make a bootable usb stick with refind and the debian ISO
504 [03:53:41] <klys> then dd the debian iso right onto the usb disk and forget refind.
505 [03:54:11] <hanasaki> refind needed because the uefi of the pc and debian ISO are not friends
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507 [03:54:53] <hanasaki> refind usb boots fine. debian iso boots fine on many machines however hangs on this box
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509 [03:54:59] <themill> in what way? The installer should work just fine from UEFI (although not secure boot)
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511 [03:55:35] <hanasaki> think its all the "stuff" about apollo lake cpus
512 [03:55:36] <klys> so turn off secure boot in your firmware and try again :)
513 [03:55:44] <hanasaki> klys: already tried.
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515 [03:56:53] <klys> where did it freeze? did you see your boot prompt?
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519 [03:57:20] <hanasaki> nope
520 [03:57:30] <hanasaki> just a underscore in the top left corner of screen
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523 [03:58:35] <hanasaki> looks like the issue that isorespin is supposed to fix.. however respin doesn't work on debian
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531 [04:01:51] <klys> hanasaki does your system support bios "legacy boot?"
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534 [04:02:43] <hanasaki> yes. however that hangs on the underscore too. it has CSM mode
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537 [04:03:29] <hanasaki> seriously... does uefi really have any major benefits? haven't had boot issues with computers for years with bios
538 [04:04:52] <hanasaki> on another note.... INFO: task systemd-udevd:2835 blocked for more than 120 seconds while writing to usb stick with DD
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540 [04:06:03] <klys> it is mostly there for securitu reasons, though GPT gives you more partitions and access to > 3 GiB disks.
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542 [04:07:00] <hanasaki> looks like a place for vius' to live too
543 [04:07:11] <awal1> klys, elaborate your arguments :P
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545 [04:09:19] <klys> awal1, UEFI is there mostly to block physical access to the windows boot process, as it enables a "secure boot" mode where only operating systems signed by approved vendors may execute boot code.
546 [04:10:38] <klys> awal1, GPT partitioning allows hundreds of partitions, see the wiki page on it.
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549 [04:11:56] <awal1> klys, aware about that yet, yeah, my suggestion was almost for hanasaki,
550 [04:11:56] <klys> awal1, I had to use GPT when I got a 4 TiB disk. My 3 TiB disk worked okay with MBR though.
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553 [04:12:33] <awal1> apart gpt stuff, for linux i no see/read interesting stuff about security
554 [04:13:58] <klys> a lot of the folks in #osdev seem to think UEFI is futuristic. if you want a compelling reason to use UEFI with Linux perhaps ask there.
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560 [04:22:53] <hanasaki> so in CSM legacy mode. debian iso will not boot. same usb stick boots on another machine fine
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563 [04:24:59] <klys> did you get an underscore again?
564 [04:25:12] <hanasaki> yup
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567 [04:26:09] <klys> as long as you still have w64 bootable make sure you've updated your firmware to the latest version available from your manufacturer's support site.
568 [04:26:18] <hanasaki> already done
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574 [04:27:44] <klys> hanasaki, what is the make/model of your machine?
575 [04:27:54] <hanasaki> kodlinx n400
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577 [04:28:01] <hanasaki> looking at this page replaced-url
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579 [04:29:13] <hanasaki> those dir's don't look like a current debian and how would it boot without a boot sector?
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582 [04:31:14] <klys> want to try something simpler like booting freedos off usb? if so you can come to #freedos
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584 [04:31:57] <hanasaki> klys: sure... however what good does that do me?
585 [04:32:58] <klys> hanasaki, well it would verify that your CSM is working properly and get you up and running with GRUB4DOS.
586 [04:35:50] <hanasaki> searching around... issue seems to be that debian's boot for uefi and apollo lake are unhappy together. thus the refind booter
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590 [04:40:08] <klys> wb. somehow I forget that this is oftc.net and mentioned a channel on freenode. you get the idea.
591 [04:40:22] <hanasaki> yup
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594 [04:40:47] <hanasaki> klys: appreciate the help. really the issue is the apollo :(
595 [04:41:31] <klys> there are several bootloaders available
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598 [04:43:33] <klys> grub, grub2, grub-efi, grub4dos, lilo, clover, extlinux, syslinux, loadlin, are some of the ones that come to mind.
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601 [04:45:23] <hanasaki> right. refind also. and it boots fine. the issue is getting the iso of debian onto /dev/sdc2 or 5 bootable. cannot just dd it since it is a diskimage
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603 [04:46:04] <klys> what can you boot to with refind? does it support kernels? dos?
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612 [04:54:58] <hanasaki> any idea why copying to usb stick . files or dd causes INFO: task systemd-udevd:2835 blocked for more than 120 seconds. and reboot
613 [04:56:00] <klys> some idea why the error message, no idea why the reboot. shouldn't be a fatal error.
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643 [05:17:28] <transhuman> Hi, is there an easy way to limit the memory consumed by libreoffice but allow it to take up swap after a certain amount. thing has a terrible memory leak
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645 [05:25:33] <somiaj> well there is ulimit and cgroups as ways to limit memeory. I don't think you can limit it with swap as you described. Or at least I'm not seeing a way.
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648 [05:28:23] <hanasaki> docker for fun
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712 [06:06:03] <saroman> hi password2
713 [06:06:43] <password2> hi
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715 [06:07:56] <password2> whats up saroman
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763 [06:50:58] <TxLinux> have a wierd issue. THe directory the user are trying to access has all rights enabled and they are part of the group but it keeps give me accessed denied. This is a external drive on a raspberry pi.
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765 [06:52:10] <esainane> Is the volume mounted read only?
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767 [06:53:46] <TxLinux> replaced-url
768 [06:54:18] <TxLinux> the pi user can read and write to it
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770 [06:54:53] <TxLinux> i am a noob please be pateint
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776 [06:56:18] <TxLinux> anyfiles i should check. i dont even see a listing in the fstab for it
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789 [07:05:11] <somiaj> TxLinux: you should share the permisions of the directory pi/music/share and pi/music/share/FTP, you only have the permisions of the . directory in your paste
790 [07:05:34] <somiaj> also pastebin.com has to many adds, paste.debian.net is an alternative.
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797 [07:11:22] <TxLinux> replaced-url
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799 [07:11:51] <TxLinux> i like the paste.debian.net
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802 [07:12:40] <TxLinux> work well with firefox
803 [07:18:56] <TxLinux> though in gparted the drive shows mounted correct
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815 [07:25:42] <born84> whats the simplest way to reinstall debian without any cd/dvd or usb? i last installed from the win32-loader, which seemed to load a small install to ram and let me install from there, can i do that somehow?
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817 [07:26:48] <TxLinux> not able to do that on pi
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819 [07:26:58] <TxLinux> raspberry pi
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821 [07:27:24] <TxLinux> at least i dont know how
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823 [07:28:57] <alkisg> born84: sure, if you have windows, then you can use win32-loader to netinstall
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825 [07:29:20] <born84> alkisg: i only have this current install, which is a debian install
826 [07:30:02] <alkisg> You can put a grub entry for that same kernel/initrd that win32-loader uses, although I don't know them offhand
827 [07:30:39] <TxLinux> dont want to reinstall i have more than 40 hours setup on this machine
828 [07:31:07] <born84> alkisg: yes, im looking into doing that (initrd right?), that seems to be the same way the win32-loader does it but im research more before adding stuff to /boot
829 [07:31:21] <born84> this looks like what i need: replaced-url
830 [07:31:47] <TxLinux> would you like to remote look on the machine
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833 [07:32:50] <TxLinux> if you have remote desktop loaded it will give tyou the address and port
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850 [07:48:28] <alkisg> born84: do you want to install to the same partition, or to another partition?
851 [07:49:31] <TxLinux> it is only a 16gb microsd
852 [07:49:53] <alkisg> TxLinux: are we talking about born84?
853 [07:49:58] <somiaj> TxLinux: so far things look fine, I didn't see the permisions for teh FTP directory though.
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855 [07:50:32] <TxLinux> oh sorry
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857 [07:50:49] <somiaj> TxLinux: the output of mount could also be useful.
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859 [07:51:57] <alkisg> (07:50:58 πμ) TxLinux: have a wierd issue. THe directory the user are trying to access has all rights enabled and they are part of the group but it keeps give me accessed denied. This is a external drive on a raspberry pi. ==> the /media/pi point is usually mode=700, prohibiting other users
860 [07:53:08] <alkisg> I.e. the problem isn't /media/pi/music, but /media/pi
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862 [07:55:16] <TxLinux> can i change that or is it a limitation of the pi
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864 [07:55:50] <alkisg> Sure, just chmod that dir. What file system is that partition, ext4?
865 [07:55:59] <TxLinux> yes
866 [07:56:11] <TxLinux> ext4
867 [07:57:03] <alkisg> (sudo) chmod 755 /media/pi
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869 [07:57:27] <TxLinux> would i use this command .... sudo chmod a+rwx /media/pi
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872 [07:59:07] <TxLinux> it worked i am going to buy you a beer
873 [07:59:13] <TxLinux> thanks
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875 [08:00:29] <TxLinux> where should i send it....hehehehh
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877 [08:03:38] <adso> anyone know any decent resources for learning more about /var/log, and some of the specific log files and what certain entries/patterns are about?
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895 [08:14:53] <alkisg> adso: that would depend on the application writing the log, so you'd need to be more specific. Probably in the application sources.
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922 [08:36:56] <rant> adso: /var/log was largely deprecated by journalctl
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930 [08:44:33] <NoxiousPluK> I have a freshly installed Debian machine with xorg-video-noveau, xinit and awesome installed
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933 [08:44:55] <NoxiousPluK> When I start Awesome and then run 'wicd-client &' from a terminal, the wicd-client window has no window decorations
934 [08:45:02] <NoxiousPluK> It can not be moved or even closed
935 [08:45:08] <NoxiousPluK> Anyone ideas on that?
936 [08:45:38] <NoxiousPluK> (AwesomeWM is in Tiling mode)
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943 [08:49:09] <somiaj> NoxiousPluK: other windows get decorated just fine?
944 [08:49:31] <NoxiousPluK> somiaj: the terminal (Terminator) and Chromium have no issue
945 [08:49:35] <NoxiousPluK> uploading a screenshot
946 [08:49:50] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
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948 [08:50:01] <somiaj> I don't know awesome, but wonder if there is some flag/state the wicd window is set to and awesome is not decorating it.
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950 [08:50:26] <somiaj> you can run xprop on the window to get more info from the window
951 [08:50:26] <NoxiousPluK> I've had this issue before in Fluxbox many years ago... But I forgot how I fixed it
952 [08:50:45] <somiaj> the fix probably deals with the configuration of the wm you are using
953 [08:52:44] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
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956 [08:54:30] <NoxiousPluK> I've been searching Google for the past 4 hours but did not find anything close to a solution yet
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959 [08:56:16] <NoxiousPluK> oh. what
960 [08:56:23] <NoxiousPluK> it actually does have window decorations
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962 [08:56:32] <NoxiousPluK> but it spawns below the dock / above the monitor top
963 [08:56:43] <NoxiousPluK> if I try to resize the application it fixes itself..
964 [08:56:58] <somiaj> are you trying to making it smaller?
965 [08:57:11] <somiaj> the xprop info has the window has a minimum size
966 [08:57:43] <NoxiousPluK> I was actually trying to make it bigger, and somehow it then detects its outside of the monitors boundaries and resets its position
967 [08:57:53] <NoxiousPluK> it suddenly 'snaps' about ~100 pixels lower
968 [08:58:33] <NoxiousPluK> heh, odd
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970 [08:58:52] <NoxiousPluK> well, I feel a bit silly - but much thanks
971 [08:59:19] <NoxiousPluK> *closes about 70 tabs*
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989 [09:16:39] <adso> anyone here using a purism librem laptop, or have any strong opinions about their offerings?
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996 [09:33:14] <Bliss9> adso, looks interesting but persoanlly I'd go with system76 laptops
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1053 [10:22:04] <oo_migue1> Somehing bad happened to chromium.. It hangs every time I try to install any chrome extension
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1060 [10:25:05] <kirk781> Hello
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1063 [10:25:19] <bazhang> hi
1064 [10:25:24] <pmarkoulidakis> oo_migue1 does chromium log smth?
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1068 [10:26:22] <kirk781> I had logged in to many sites[saved logins] in Chromium under Cinnamon. I recently installed Plasma. Now, the browser is asking to login all over again everywhere when running under the new desktop environment. This issue seems to only be restricted to Plasma/KDE[not affecting Budgie/LXqt or others]?
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1070 [10:27:53] <kirk781> The issue isn't unique to Chromium either. Vivaldi also suffers from the same under Plamsa. Does it have something to do with the KDE Wallet[it asks for unlocking at every start?]
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1193 [11:49:04] <EnchanterTim> What is a security focused laptop
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1197 [11:50:50] <EnchanterTim> I wouldn't use KDE if you gave me money.
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1199 [11:51:19] <EnchanterTim> The computer hardware and software developed by Purism is the most rights-respecting it can be today, while still being able to compete with the highest end competitors, such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, or Apple.
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1201 [11:52:46] <EnchanterTim> An operating system that respects your rights to privacy, security, and freedom, by design
1202 [11:52:52] <EnchanterTim> 1) No such things as rights.
1203 [11:52:57] <EnchanterTim> 2) No such thign as privacy
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1205 [11:53:07] <EnchanterTim> 3) No such thing as security and freedom.
1206 [11:53:29] <EnchanterTim> Man. Blows my mind how people just jump on something and go with it, catering to the super paranoid.
1207 [11:53:38] <EnchanterTim> First you generate a demand for your silly products by fear ongering
1208 [11:53:48] <EnchanterTim> Then you sell your products to the fearful public.
1209 [11:54:09] <EnchanterTim> Eh. Go on. Do you thing. Spend you rmoney on "secure" laptops and "free" operating systems.
1210 [11:54:23] <EnchanterTim> I wonder how many poeple actually care about the "freedom" of software that they are using
1211 [11:55:11] <EnchanterTim> 0.001% of the total userbase bothers to edit the source code to make software function as they want, otherwise 99.99% of the people in the linux world are just as happy to use distros and packages put together by someone else.
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1215 [11:56:00] <EnchanterTim> So, in the philosophy, allt his open and free stuff may matter, but when it actually comes to everyday regular use, the regular user doesn't care if his software is open or not, gratis or not, he's only concerned with having a system that works and get his work done.
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1217 [11:56:13] <blackflow> without that freedom, there would be no legal grounds and companies could simply close up the source and start charging you big bucks. even if 0.001%, as you say, do care, the entire concept, and legal grounds of it, is very important. offtopic here, tho'.
1218 [11:56:49] <EnchanterTim> Freedom.
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1220 [11:56:59] <EnchanterTim> Freedom to do as the distro dictates.
1221 [11:57:03] <EnchanterTim> Epic lulz.
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1223 [11:57:11] <blackflow> you have the source, do what you will. offtopic.
1224 [11:57:24] <EnchanterTim> yeah,t hat's not somethign that pans out for everyone.
1225 [11:57:30] <EnchanterTim> 1) Not everyone is a programmer
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1227 [11:57:36] <EnchanterTim> 2) Not everyone even wants to be one.
1228 [11:57:38] <blackflow> but they haven't lost their freedom.
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1230 [11:57:49] <EnchanterTim> What if the freedom is an illusion to begin with?
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1232 [11:57:53] <blackflow> I'm free to take dance classes, there's no law prohibiting it. But I don't care about dancing.
1233 [11:58:05] <EnchanterTim> That's precisely my point.
1234 [11:58:33] <blackflow> they day dancing will be outlawed, will be a very, very, very sad day. and again, offtopic here. $.02
1235 [11:58:38] <blackflow> *the
1236 [11:58:52] <EnchanterTim> You're seriouysly tryin to police my speech and behavior
1237 [11:59:02] <EnchanterTim> That is the third time you've mentioned 'offtopic'
1238 [11:59:06] <EnchanterTim> Feel free not to discuss anythign with me.
1239 [11:59:06] <blackflow> oh, no. I'm just warning you before you get kickbanned.
1240 [11:59:09] <EnchanterTim> Have a great day
1241 [11:59:10] <EnchanterTim> So what?
1242 [11:59:10] <blackflow> (not by me)
1243 [11:59:14] <EnchanterTim> Get kicked buddy.
1244 [11:59:27] <EnchanterTim> So what? I can't be a free man and speak feely ?
1245 [11:59:31] <EnchanterTim> Yeah. Told ya.
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1247 [11:59:39] <EnchanterTim> This freedom talk is all nonsnese among kids.
1248 [11:59:44] <EnchanterTim> There is no freedom.
1249 [11:59:45] <blackflow> sure, not in this channel. otherwise entire freenode could come in and there'd be hundreds of posts per second.
1250 [11:59:56] <EnchanterTim> You continue to want to police my language and behavior and I simply will not have it.
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1252 [12:00:03] <EnchanterTim> I've been booted from here over the past 12 years, countless times.
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1255 [12:00:23] <blackflow> not policing your behavior, but flow of information. entire internet is based on routing and flow control.
1256 [12:00:24] <EnchanterTim> I dont' care. I'm not goign to have my freedom savagely curtailed because someone repeats the magical offftoic spell thrice.
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1260 [12:00:51] <blackflow> this information flow is offtopic to #debian and should be re-routed elsewhere. if you ahve a problem with that, stop using the internet, becaues it is based on that very core rule.
1261 [12:00:59] <alkisg> Freedom is having the right to go into some channels and NOT listen to whatever rants one needs to get out of his system. So now you're violating my freedon, EnchanterTim :)
1262 [12:01:00] <EnchanterTim> Oh, my gooddness
1263 [12:01:03] <EnchanterTim> Why is this not ##linux?
1264 [12:01:15] <EnchanterTim> That's what I'm wondring, you are not a linux regular who are you?
1265 [12:01:16] <EnchanterTim> lol..
1266 [12:01:26] <EnchanterTim> Jeezus. I swear. What a goofy mistake!
1267 [12:01:28] <EnchanterTim> hahaha.
1268 [12:01:51] <hypn0> I have a suggestion, why not both take an hour off irc :-)
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1270 [12:02:04] <EnchanterTim> Or just join the right channel!
1271 [12:02:05] <EnchanterTim> Haha.
1272 [12:02:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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1274 [12:02:21] <EnchanterTim> ahh boy. My excuse? I woke up early at 3am. half alive.
1275 [12:02:26] <alkisg> haha
1276 [12:02:35] * alkisg buys EnchanterTim a coffee..
1277 [12:02:39] <EnchanterTim> Ty
1278 [12:03:32] <EnchanterTim> Anyway, I thought I was in ##linux. Licensing talk is not offtopic there. Doh.
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1283 [12:05:22] <EnchanterTim> If you had 8 gb of ram, how much would you compress using ZRAM?
1284 [12:05:36] <EnchanterTim> quad core cpu
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1286 [12:06:40] <BluesKaj> why?
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1288 [12:07:08] <alkisg> Isn't that automatic & dynamic nowadays, when zram is used?
1289 [12:07:26] <EnchanterTim> I think you have to define how much ram you want to compress by making a ram device
1290 [12:07:32] <EnchanterTim> I have 2x 2gb
1291 [12:07:38] <EnchanterTim> I compress 4gb of 8gb ram.
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1295 [12:08:15] <alkisg> afaik modprobe zram should be enough; i haven't used it in a while though...
1296 [12:09:02] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
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1298 [12:10:24] <EnchanterTim> What I makde 3gb devices each, compress 6gb out of 8gb
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1300 [12:10:45] <EnchanterTim> After booting sytem, xmoand, xorg, cli tools, all my programs, I am using 255mb of ram.
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1302 [12:11:04] <EnchanterTim> I start up chromium, and it takes 700mb of ram. If I open more tabs, memory usage goes up
1303 [12:11:12] <EnchanterTim> So it's mostly only chromeium taking up most of the ram.
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1305 [12:11:24] <EnchanterTim> My total non chromium system usage of ram is 250mb to 300mb total.
1306 [12:11:33] <EnchanterTim> So maybe I can compress up to 6gb in zram.
1307 [12:11:35] <EnchanterTim> perhaps.
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1313 [12:16:38] <jelly-home> EnchanterTim, you can get 2:1-3:1 compression, so if you're going to convert 6GB to zram swap, you can make 2-3 devices with a total of 12GB size easily.
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1318 [12:20:33] <EnchanterTim> nice
1319 [12:20:42] <EnchanterTim> jelly-home: btw, the problem with chromium/html select went away
1320 [12:20:45] <EnchanterTim> no idea how.
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1385 [13:03:40] <qeyoa> I'm on debian buster and the default eclipse package is 3.8 (6 year old version?). Is this the newest version available?
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1392 [13:06:20] <themill> eclipse seems to be impossible to maintain, so yes
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1399 [13:09:32] <qeyoa> Is netbeans in the same situation?
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1415 [13:19:58] <EnchanterTim> You use netbeans
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1417 [13:20:55] <EnchanterTim> latest netbeans is 8.2
1418 [13:20:58] <EnchanterTim> debian has 8.1
1419 [13:21:39] <EnchanterTim> But you can install default-jre package and get netbeans from their website. It's an .sh script that installs netbeans to any directory. I install in ~/bin/
1420 [13:23:14] <qeyoa> hm, probably not worth the hassle
1421 [13:23:20] <EnchanterTim> It's no hassle.
1422 [13:23:23] <qeyoa> since the current 8.1 version has some problems
1423 [13:23:24] <EnchanterTim> Stable gets old fast.
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1425 [13:23:27] <qeyoa> with the font rendering
1426 [13:23:40] <EnchanterTim> Java font rendering, across all java apps
1427 [13:23:45] <EnchanterTim> what's the problem
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1429 [13:23:51] <qeyoa> i can't read anything
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1431 [13:23:56] <EnchanterTim> why?
1432 [13:23:56] <qeyoa> it's so grainy
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1434 [13:24:07] <qeyoa> it's not possible to read the text
1435 [13:24:12] <EnchanterTim> yeah. I once enabled font smoothing
1436 [13:24:25] <EnchanterTim> it's a java awt option you have to pass in your netbeans start bash script
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1438 [13:24:29] <EnchanterTim> hang on
1439 [13:24:34] <EnchanterTim> I might have some old files
1440 [13:25:32] <EnchanterTim> hang on, taking a while
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1444 [13:27:53] <EnchanterTim> netbeans_default_options="-J-client -J-Xss2m -J-Xms32m -J-Dapple.laf.useScreenMenuBar=true -J-Dapple.awt.graphics.UseQuartz=true -J-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true -J-Dsun.zip.disableMemoryMapping=true -J-Dswing.aatext=true -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd --nosplash --fontsize 10"
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1447 [13:28:04] <EnchanterTim> I put this into my netbeans/etc/netbeans.conf
1448 [13:28:12] <EnchanterTim> Then I also do export _JAVA_OPTIONS='-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true'
1449 [13:28:17] <EnchanterTim> for my .bashrc
1450 [13:28:23] <EnchanterTim> Then fonts are okay.
1451 [13:28:25] <qeyoa> do i pass the first one directly
1452 [13:28:25] <EnchanterTim> Try this and let me know
1453 [13:28:33] <EnchanterTim> hang on
1454 [13:28:34] <qeyoa> does it have to be in the config file
1455 [13:28:37] <EnchanterTim> hang on
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1457 [13:28:50] <EnchanterTim> export _JAVA_OPTIONS='-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true' <- first put this export into your bashrc
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1459 [13:28:55] <EnchanterTim> or export it on command line.
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1461 [13:29:30] <EnchanterTim> Then find and edit your netbeans.conf file (if like myself, you installed into ~/bin/netbeans/, then it would be ~/bin/netbeans/etc/netbeans.conf
1462 [13:29:45] <EnchanterTim> In this file, you will put this long line I gave you with the netbeans_default_options
1463 [13:29:52] <EnchanterTim> those two things you need to do
1464 [13:30:53] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
1465 [13:31:15] <EnchanterTim> Feel free to omit the options fromt he long line as you see fit.
1466 [13:31:21] <EnchanterTim> That is just my own config
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1469 [13:32:24] <EnchanterTim> stoned@stoned-desktop - ~/bin - [master !x?]-
1470 [13:32:24] <EnchanterTim> $ ./netbeans
1471 [13:32:25] <EnchanterTim> Picked up _JAVA_OPTIONS: -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true
1472 [13:32:32] <EnchanterTim> launching to confirm my fonts display
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1474 [13:33:37] <qeyoa> does it also have this weird coloration as i on an old crt monitor
1475 [13:33:41] <qeyoa> for you?
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1481 [13:36:21] <EnchanterTim> I can't test.
1482 [13:36:22] <EnchanterTim> Sorry
1483 [13:36:25] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
1484 [13:36:31] <EnchanterTim> I am trying to battle my own problems.
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1487 [13:36:40] <EnchanterTim> There are two classes of problems: blank, grey windows and windows that can't be focused for keyboard input.
1488 [13:36:47] <EnchanterTim> I have blank windows under Xmonad and java apps
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1490 [13:37:18] <EnchanterTim> Also, I only have LCD monitor
1491 [13:37:38] <EnchanterTim> The Java gui toolkit has a hardcoded list of so-called "non-reparenting" window managers. xmonad is not on this list (nor are many of the newer window managers).
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1493 [13:37:51] <qeyoa> my monitor is also also lcd
1494 [13:37:54] <qeyoa> i'm just saying
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1496 [13:38:05] <qeyoa> that while your provided setup helps
1497 [13:38:23] <qeyoa> the text has this very strange coloration effect
1498 [13:38:30] <EnchanterTim> Hang on
1499 [13:38:52] <qeyoa> so i was wondering if this was the case for you also
1500 [13:39:07] <EnchanterTim> got it, hang on
1501 [13:39:12] <EnchanterTim> If you are using openjdk6 >= 1.6.1, the cleanest way to work around the hardcoded list is to warn the vm that xmonad is non-reparenting by exporting the appropriate environment variable:
1502 [13:39:16] <EnchanterTim> _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1
1503 [13:39:20] <EnchanterTim> That fixed it, let me see how my fonts look
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1505 [13:39:32] <EnchanterTim> sec
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1511 [13:45:21] <EnchanterTim> finally, let's see if you're taling about whatever let me open a file
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1514 [13:47:03] <EnchanterTim> ok. Right now, I have installd netbeans 8.2 freshly
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1517 [13:47:21] <EnchanterTim> qeyoa: I have exported the env variable for fonts as I advised you
1518 [13:47:32] <EnchanterTim> quenode: I have not modified my netbeans.conf yet
1519 [13:47:37] <EnchanterTim> current netbeans options: netbeans_default_options="-J-client -J-Xss2m -J-Xms32m -J-Dapple.laf.useScreenMenuBar=true -J-Dapple.awt.graphics.UseQuartz=true -J-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true -J-Dsun.zip.disableMemoryM
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1522 [13:47:50] <EnchanterTim> and here's what my window/fonts look like
1523 [13:48:12] <EnchanterTim> qeyoa: replaced-url
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1525 [13:48:35] <EnchanterTim> Maybe the jpeg quality looks goofy, hang on, I'll modify my screenshot script t make png instead
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1528 [13:50:55] <qeyoa> :D
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1532 [13:53:25] <EnchanterTim> ok
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1534 [13:53:32] <EnchanterTim> qeyoa: replaced-url
1535 [13:53:40] <EnchanterTim> that's what my fonts look like
1536 [13:53:51] <EnchanterTim> Now I'm going to enable the custom settings in netbeans.conf
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1542 [13:56:05] <EnchanterTim> qeyoa: replaced-url
1543 [13:56:19] <EnchanterTim> So, with the options I told you, I see what you mean, kind of.
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1545 [13:56:32] <EnchanterTim> Ok. That to me looks like LCD RGB options
1546 [13:56:40] <EnchanterTim> let's take that out of our netbeans options and try again
1547 [13:57:07] <EnchanterTim> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd
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1550 [13:57:23] <EnchanterTim> Try without that option and see if the subtle coloring on font/letting is still th ere
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1552 [13:57:30] <qeyoa> do you happen to know where the config file is for the 8.2 version installed by script
1553 [13:57:46] <qeyoa> for the native package it's in /etc/netbeans.config
1554 [13:58:06] <qeyoa> but i'm not sure how's that file called
1555 [13:58:14] <qeyoa> when i install netbeans with the script
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1557 [13:58:39] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
1558 [13:58:53] <EnchanterTim> So, w/o the LCD option, fonts are little bit jagged, but still radable.
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1560 [13:59:04] <EnchanterTim> I mostly use bitmap fonts like Fixed or clear or terminus
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1562 [13:59:10] <EnchanterTim> they look fine everywhere, crisp
1563 [13:59:21] <EnchanterTim> yes, depending on where you installed it using the script
1564 [13:59:32] <EnchanterTim> it would be in your netbeans install directory/etc/netbeans.conf
1565 [13:59:54] <EnchanterTim> I install netbeans in ~/bin/
1566 [14:00:04] <EnchanterTim> mine is ~/bin/netbeans-8.2/etc/netbeans.conf
1567 [14:00:10] <qeyoa> ah ok
1568 [14:01:23] <EnchanterTim> here's something goofy
1569 [14:01:35] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
1570 [14:01:42] <EnchanterTim> Look at the difference in fonts
1571 [14:01:53] <EnchanterTim> Same font, rendres beautifully smoothly inside the java awt box
1572 [14:02:09] <qeyoa> the coloring stuff looks slightly better
1573 [14:02:10] <EnchanterTim> but when it comes to rendering it in the actual text editing part of it, font becomes jagged, not smoothed
1574 [14:02:15] <EnchanterTim> yeah
1575 [14:02:18] <qeyoa> when in dark mode
1576 [14:02:24] <EnchanterTim> Now I remeber when I left the LCD option back on
1577 [14:02:26] <EnchanterTim> and used dark colors
1578 [14:02:29] <EnchanterTim> that's exactly why
1579 [14:02:35] <EnchanterTim> I get high and forget sometimes
1580 [14:02:42] <EnchanterTim> but then I get stoned and I remember it again. It's awesome.
1581 [14:02:45] <qeyoa> i will try to add solorized font
1582 [14:02:51] <EnchanterTim> try a few things
1583 [14:02:58] <EnchanterTim> Now you know what to do, look around in java options
1584 [14:03:23] <EnchanterTim> ask the ##java folks (they only help with proramming) so that's how I asked/approached them, hey, I'm trying to code a java thing and font look stupid, help me!
1585 [14:03:39] <EnchanterTim> etc. soehow y ears ago fi gured this out, then I stoped using netbeans and use command line editors.
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1588 [14:04:43] <qeyoa> i use emacs for haskell
1589 [14:04:52] <qeyoa> but using emacs for java is not that great
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1592 [14:06:40] <EnchanterTim> There maybe a way to control the sub-pixel hinting
1593 [14:06:44] <EnchanterTim> in java options
1594 [14:06:49] <EnchanterTim> or sicne java is using system options now
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1596 [14:06:59] <EnchanterTim> you can try to modify sub pixel rendering in your desktop env.
1597 [14:07:05] <EnchanterTim> kde or ghome or what have you
1598 [14:07:18] <EnchanterTim> try changing that sub pixel hinting/rendering options
1599 [14:07:31] <EnchanterTim> try horizontal vs verticla rgb and brg options both
1600 [14:07:36] <EnchanterTim> see which ones make it look better
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1603 [14:09:26] <qeyoa> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on
1604 [14:09:28] <qeyoa> with dracula mode
1605 [14:09:33] <EnchanterTim> Yup
1606 [14:09:33] <qeyoa> is pretty normal now
1607 [14:09:38] <EnchanterTim> That's what I do myself.
1608 [14:09:41] <EnchanterTim> exactly
1609 [14:10:00] <qeyoa> thanks
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1612 [14:11:20] <EnchanterTim> I see my error!
1613 [14:11:44] <EnchanterTim> I had exported =on but in my netbeans.conf I had still (while I was experimenting a long time ago) =LCD
1614 [14:11:59] <EnchanterTim> That's the issue. Coloring happens with LCD sub pixel hinting
1615 [14:12:07] <EnchanterTim> instead, if you use "on" it wont' colorize the font.
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1617 [14:12:20] <EnchanterTim> Thanks for helping with this. I'll comment that in my config
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1619 [14:12:51] <EnchanterTim> watch this
1620 [14:13:05] <EnchanterTim> qeyoa: replaced-url
1621 [14:13:15] <EnchanterTim> No dracla or dark font, but still smooth fonts.
1622 [14:13:31] <EnchanterTim> Like I said, sometime I forget things from years ago.
1623 [14:13:54] <EnchanterTim> So yean, don't use the -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd, but use -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on
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1626 [14:14:11] <EnchanterTim> I guess you don't have to use a bash export anymore.
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1635 [14:22:33] <Nawab1337> help this crowdfund to crowdsource some orange pi hardware required to make a game and fullfil the dreams of a young boy( read the instory) replaced-url
1636 [14:23:00] <Nawab1337> sorry for spam
1637 [14:23:00] <EnchanterTim> no thanks.
1638 [14:23:26] <EnchanterTim> When you dream, there are no rules. Anything is possible.
1639 [14:23:27] <EnchanterTim> :)
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1659 [14:31:49] <hypn0> for those that can imagine anything :-)
1660 [14:32:10] <EnchanterTim> \o/
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1662 [14:33:51] <EnchanterTim> Well, time for me to go do my thing. see you later guys
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1671 [14:36:47] <bolt> running "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y dist-upgrade" a chroot with the "owncloud" package from their repo, apt-get still asks me about replacing a modified configuration file in /etc. i want this to run unattended. why does it still ask? is this up to the package? is there a way to avoid it? i thought non-interactive wouldn't ask such questions
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1680 [14:42:27] <Brigo> bolt, maybe --force-yes could help?
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1683 [14:44:58] <bolt> Brigo: good suggestion, but unfortunately it still asks
1684 [14:45:23] <bolt> about ready to pipe a bunch of newlines into that update command :/
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1686 [14:46:27] <Brigo> bolt, i sure there is some dpkg option you can pass through apt-get to tell it to stop asking, check the dpkg man page.
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1689 [14:49:01] <bolt> Brigo: that is supposed to be the DEBIAN_FRONTEND environment variable
1690 [14:49:15] <bolt> i believe it's actually for dpkg rather than for apt itself
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1696 [14:53:44] <alioui_> hi
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1699 [14:56:04] <alioui_> i m looking for live usb creation with persistence storage
1700 [14:56:19] <alioui_> tools on windows
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1763 [15:52:06] <loocks|2> Hi everybody!
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1778 [15:57:26] <adso> @alioui_ etcher.io is one of the better usb creation tools i've seen, but i don't think it has persistence yet. perhaps you could add a +1 for the open github issue on that project? replaced-url
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1796 [16:03:25] <loocks|2> I have some problem with my debian 9 x32, I recently wanted to install skype, but skype is not supported on x32 systems, and then I have decided to add the amd64 architecture to install skype, after that I installed the package dependencies for skype and for new system, of course, and now, if I boot into GRUB from i686, apt-get tells me:"usr/bin/apt-get:Syntax error:Unterminated quouted string
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1799 [16:04:11] <loocks|2> who can help?
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1825 [16:29:00] <millican> uestions about mariadb/mysql here or in #debian-offtopic?
1826 [16:29:04] <millican> odd
1827 [16:29:16] <millican> Would it be better to ask questions about mariadb/mysql here or in #debian-offtopic?
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1830 [16:29:46] <annadane> millican, it's packaged for debian, so here
1831 [16:29:47] <millican> particularly installing mysql
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1834 [16:31:02] <millican> I have a tinkerboard with debian stretch based TinkerOS.
1835 [16:31:36] <millican> Copying a database from another machine uses up more space on teh tinkerboard, which is using mariadb instead of mysql
1836 [16:31:45] <annadane> it's possible we'll be able to answer your question here anyway, but
1837 [16:31:47] <millican> I did not expect it to need double the storage
1838 [16:31:52] <annadane> dpkg: tell millican about tinkeros
1839 [16:32:01] <gildarts> millican: There is a #maria channel for Mariadb and a #mysql for MySQL.
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1841 [16:32:20] <millican> I'll check the mysql channel. thanks
1842 [16:32:55] <millican> Is mariadb the default for Stretch when running apt-get install mysql-server?
1843 [16:33:10] <annadane> yes
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1846 [16:33:44] <bashar> hi
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1861 [16:40:43] <velix> Is there a website or a tool, which tells me, which packages uses a special library?
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1870 [16:43:47] <alkisg> Like, try removing that library and see which packages depend on it and will be removed too?
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1875 [16:45:27] <velix> alkisg: Acutally, I want to figure out, how many/which packages make use of this library.
1876 [16:45:54] <millican> Is there a way to have Debian Stretch install mysql (instead of mariadb) with the command: apt-get install mysql-server
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1879 [16:46:06] <teatime> velix: apt-cache rdepends
1880 [16:46:12] <velix> teatime: let's try thx
1881 [16:46:43] <velix> teatime: yipee. thx
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1885 [16:48:13] <teatime> millican: no, not with debian's repos
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1887 [16:48:25] <teatime> I don't know how the 3rd-party mysql repo works.
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1897 [16:52:15] <Ubiquity4321> I'm following a guide to setup mpich, and it asks to edit the .bashrc file with a line. I would like to understand why it asks me to do this. Anyone available to help?
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1899 [16:52:43] <annadane> Ubiquity4321, which line?
1900 [16:52:47] <velix> teatime: Are you sure this tool works correctly? "apt-cache rdepends liblwgeom-2.4-0" shows me "libspatialite7", but no dsc file of any Debian version lists it as dependency.
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1902 [16:52:56] <Ubiquity4321> @annadane, replaced-url
1903 [16:53:03] <Ubiquity4321> > # Add the following to the end of the file
1904 [16:53:03] <Ubiquity4321> # PATH=$PATH:/home/rpimpi/mpi-install/bin
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1908 [16:54:40] <velix> Ubiquity4321 & annadane: I wonder, how anyone can use RPi for statistical research. I've tried to work with census data of Germany. In "R", the population alone needs more than 10 GiB of RAM ;)
1909 [16:55:14] <Ubiquity4321> @velix, O_O
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1911 [16:55:31] <teatime> velix: I'm not aware of it being broken.
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1913 [16:55:41] <velix> Ubiquity4321: resolution 100 x 100 m (about 4000 inches)
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1915 [16:55:47] <Ubiquity4321> @velix, thankfully, I'm not doing that
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1917 [16:56:19] <velix> teatime: let me debug it.
1918 [16:56:24] <teatime> velix: but it does show all kinds of dependencies, like recommends, suggests, conflicts
1919 [16:56:28] <teatime> by default
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1922 [16:57:02] <velix> teatime: yeah, it tells me a "Reverse Depends", but this depency dooes neither appear on the package website nor in the DSC file ;)
1923 [16:57:12] <velix> teatime: I'll try "debtree".
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1925 [16:57:48] <velix> "debtree liblwgeom-2.4-0" doesn't show libspatialite7.
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1927 [16:57:57] <velix> teatime: Seems like I need to write a bugreport ;)
1928 [16:58:04] <teatime> I guess you're on testing or sid?
1929 [16:58:37] <velix> teatime: wheezy ;)
1930 [16:58:44] <velix> teatime: no, jessy!
1931 [16:58:47] <velix> jessie
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1934 [16:59:47] <Ubiquity4321> @annadane, I think it just allows me to execute more elegantly or something, but I can't find anything else on it in the rest of the guide so I think it's safe to omit
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1936 [17:00:26] <velix> teatime: brb 10 minutes
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1940 [17:00:43] <annadane> keep in mind that while my irc client does notify me if you @annadane that's not the case for everyone, consider just using the name by itself
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1942 [17:01:07] <annadane> also unfortunately i don't really know the answer to the question about the tutorial line
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1945 [17:01:31] <Ubiquity4321> Thank you for your time. I appreciate it
1946 [17:01:35] <Ubiquity4321> Have a good day
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1961 [17:05:27] <superme> hi
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1969 [17:11:55] <velix> annadane: fix you client (just joking)
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1978 [17:18:25] <holyhit> Hello, is it normal that tab-completition not works if filenames starts with this -> '
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1985 [17:21:40] <teatime> yes, the shell will think you intend it as an open quote... try typing \' and then tab
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1991 [17:24:23] <holyhit> ok thanks for info
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1995 [17:27:11] <loocks|2> Hi everybody agaiHi everybody again, does anyoune can help me?
1996 [17:27:17] <loocks|2> anyone*
1997 [17:27:18] <loocks|2> I have some problem with my debian 9 x32, I recently wanted to install skype, but skype is not supported on x32 systems, and then I have decided to add the amd64 architecture to install skype, after that I installed the package dependencies for skype and for new system, of course, and now, if I boot into GRUB from i686, apt-get tells me:"usr/bin/apt-get:Syntax error:Unterminated quouted string
1998 [17:28:07] <loocks|2> I'm newbie in Linux and I don't know what I have to do
1999 [17:29:07] <teatime> loocks|2: as far as I know, you can't add amd64 to i386 if you installed i386; you need to install amd64 (then you can add i386 to it if you need)
2000 [17:29:15] <corumoyd> if your debian is 32bit you cannot run 64bit stuff, not even adding the architecture
2001 [17:29:46] <corumoyd> the opposite is possible, as in running 32bit stuff in a 64bit system
2002 [17:31:08] <loocks|2> I will try to explain I did
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2005 [17:33:22] <Kelsar> one should say, x32 is neither amd64 nor i686
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2008 [17:34:41] <teatime> debian calls it i386 for some reason
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2010 [17:35:03] <loocks|2> On one of the forums I read how you can check whether your processor supports amd64 architecture or not, I have entered the command "grep -o -w 'lm' /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u"
2011 [17:35:25] <annadane> can we start calling them "new computers" and "old computers", 32 and 64 is confusing
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2017 [17:37:33] <loocks|2> then, when I saw answer "lm", I added a new architecture to this command "sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64"
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2020 [17:38:25] <loocks|2> and updated lists of packages with commands: "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install linux-image-amd64:amd64"
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2023 [17:39:09] <loocks|2> after which I started to have problems with apt-get
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2028 [17:39:56] <teatime> you should re-install, using amd64 media.
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2031 [17:40:45] <loocks|2> do I reinstall the system?
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2033 [17:41:33] <ora> pdzlkqn
2034 [17:41:36] <ora> coucou
2035 [17:41:40] <ora> vive debian
2036 [17:41:42] <ora> vive windows
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2039 [17:42:03] <ArlequInOut> windows o_O
2040 [17:42:13] <loocks|2> teatime: Is there some other way to solve this problem?
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2042 [17:44:43] <teatime> Nothing practical, imo.
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2047 [17:47:36] <loocks|2> okay, thank you
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2393 [21:07:20] <sine0> guys im running debian stretch as a headless vm guest. what is the quickest way of setting up a web proxy so that I can tunnel through the vm
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2399 [21:09:21] <teatime> SSH and SOCKS?
2400 [21:09:30] <teatime> not sure what you want to accomplish there though
2401 [21:09:41] <sine0> I want my web browers to tunnel through the vm
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2403 [21:10:06] <teatime> yes, I gathered that.
2404 [21:10:14] <sine0> oh you asking why ?
2405 [21:10:21] <teatime> sure.
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2412 [21:11:39] <sine0> web dev, I normally get site upgrade clients. the site stays live and I update my hosts for their domain to point to my hosting and dev the site that way with teh spood dns, however I need to reference the live site without keep changing hosts file
2413 [21:12:08] <sine0> i thought a proxy and another browser would be enough
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2415 [21:12:23] <sine0> or would it still use my host dns resolution ?
2416 [21:12:44] <teatime> I think it would but don't honestly know.
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2430 [21:17:08] <sine0> if you know of a better way for me to do this
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2442 [21:22:23] <d9867eb> hi, what do you think? mbox vs maildir?
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2446 [21:23:24] <teatime> maildir has some desirable properties... choose it if all your software that must access it support maildir
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2475 [21:40:56] <velix> What's the standard frontend in shell ?
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2477 [21:41:03] <velix> Dialog?
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2483 [21:42:49] <d9867eb> teatime: thanks, then i get all my mail in my home dir. i had like all my mail in the directory $home/Mailbox instead
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2485 [21:44:25] <d9867eb> how do i do that?
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2493 [21:49:22] <velix> Funny, Debian Squeeze in Chroot on Debian Jessie seems to run faster than the Debian Jessie host :-)
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2500 [21:54:03] <notadrop> Are .desktop files sometimes changed/replaced when I update a package?
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2520 [22:11:46] <toli> hello
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2522 [22:12:29] <toli> i have a question regarding a thinkpad t470. when i scroll pages it is flickering, not fluid at all. do i need to install some sort of a driver?
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2526 [22:15:59] <matthiaskrgr> do you fullscreen the browser?
2527 [22:16:08] <matthiaskrgr> it might help
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2529 [22:16:31] <toli> matthiaskrgr, not a full screen
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2533 [22:17:25] <toli> matthiaskrgr, on windows it is damn fluid, and i dont have any problems there. the thing is that i prefer debian, so looking for a solution
2534 [22:18:32] <matthiaskrgr> mmh
2535 [22:19:05] <matthiaskrgr> I'm on fedora, I get bad tearing when in windowed mode but it gets a lot better in fullscreen mode
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2566 [22:37:07] <Razva> any idea why Debian has only 1024x768 max res on VirtualBox, and maybe a way to fix it?
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2584 [22:43:40] <alkisg> Razva: not for me... which version of debian and which version of vbox?
2585 [22:43:55] <Razva> latet VB, latest Debian
2586 [22:44:11] <alkisg> vbox from debian or from upstream?
2587 [22:44:14] <Razva> did you installed the guest tools?
2588 [22:44:18] <alkisg> No
2589 [22:44:30] <Razva> vbox on macOS -> Debian
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2597 [22:46:31] <alkisg> Razva: which driver does it load, vesa? Check in xorg.log
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2612 [22:52:16] <Razva> rebooted, opened Xorg.0.log
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2614 [22:52:23] <Razva> any hint on what line should I look for?
2615 [22:52:42] <alkisg> Razva: a line that contains VESA(0)
2616 [22:53:14] <Razva> loadmodule: "vesa"
2617 [22:53:26] <Razva> vesa_drv.so
2618 [22:53:28] <alkisg> VESA(0): initializing int10
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2621 [22:53:45] <Razva> yup, I have that ^
2622 [22:53:54] <alkisg> OK, so for vesa, you can add custom modes using vboxmanage
2623 [22:54:05] <alkisg> (or you can install the guest additions, if you prefer...)
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2626 [22:56:18] <Razva> got it
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2632 [22:58:55] <Razva> installing guest additions right now
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2642 [23:04:17] <Razva> well guess who forgot to take a snapshot before installing...?
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2644 [23:04:48] <Razva> aaaand guess who's VBX refuses to start (blinking cursor only)
2645 [23:04:57] <FreeitConsultant> Razva, installing Vbox aditions will fix your problem
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2647 [23:05:19] <Razva> FreeitConsultant: yeah, supposing the VM will start :)
2648 [23:05:46] <FreeitConsultant> :) thats correct
2649 [23:05:58] <Razva> which it doesn't :P
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2651 [23:06:31] <Razva> any idea which ISO has the LXDE packages? because I'm tired of downloading the UI packages every time I make a new install :\
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2653 [23:06:36] <Razva> (crappy internet at home)
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2656 [23:08:38] <FreeitConsultant> i have never use LXDE GUI environment
2657 [23:09:04] <FreeitConsultant> suppose it is something much like xfce
2658 [23:09:17] <Razva> sorry xfce :L)
2659 [23:09:49] <Razva> I was reading about lxde vs xfce for ram/cpu usage, seems that xfce is faster
2660 [23:10:37] <FreeitConsultant> xfce is as good as you has it set it up (not sure if that is good saying )
2661 [23:10:57] <Razva> any idea which ISO has it?
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2663 [23:12:22] <Razva> debian-9.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent < ?
2664 [23:12:41] <FreeitConsultant> replaced-url
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2666 [23:12:57] <bazhang> Razva, any reason not to do net install then add it?
2667 [23:13:04] <wilkc> it was my default on my jessie netinstaller so i would assume its on there by default -- that was so long ago so maybe i did grab it during the netinstaller process.
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2670 [23:13:11] <Razva> bazhang: crappy net connection at home
2671 [23:13:33] <Razva> wilkc: nope, nowadays netinstall doesn't come with any GUI
2672 [23:13:53] <bazhang> Razva, the net install and adding xfce will be less than a full cd
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2675 [23:14:19] <wilkc> it maybe worthwhile to do a custom debain iso if it is a task you have to repeat x times?
2676 [23:14:24] <Razva> bazhang: I agree, but having a full cd downloaded once will be faster for repeated installs
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2678 [23:14:35] <FreeitConsultant> replaced-url
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2680 [23:15:06] <shalok> Some of my packages were just updated without my knowledge or consent and were broken. How can I figure out what triggered this so I can disable it?
2681 [23:15:12] <FreeitConsultant> Razva, bazhang explaint mine first option link
2682 [23:15:40] <shalok> I can see an entry in /var/log/apt/history.log as to when it happened but I can't figure out what triggered it.
2683 [23:16:26] <FreeitConsultant> but careful it is i386
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2686 [23:18:23] <Razva> the fact that Ubuntu recommends my real location on install worries me.
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2689 [23:18:50] <FreeitConsultant> Razva, in that case i will do a disk image file and then start to load in all mine disk whit mine best performance cpu
2690 [23:19:18] <FreeitConsultant> (taking the point of doing several copies )
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2692 [23:20:46] <FreeitConsultant> and no internet connection since the first installation :)
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2705 [23:28:30] <Razva> in your opinion which GUI is faster, lxde or xfce?
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2708 [23:30:22] <stoned> Xmoand.
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2710 [23:30:31] <stoned> Fastest!
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2716 [23:35:38] <bazhang> ,v xmonad
2717 [23:35:39] <judd> Package: xmonad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.10-4+b2; jessie: 0.11-9; stretch: 0.12-5+b1; buster: 0.13-6+b2; sid: 0.13-6+b2
2718 [23:35:47] <bazhang> did you mean that
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2722 [23:38:15] <drasko> Hi all, mu right-click just started working on touchpad
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2724 [23:38:33] <drasko> it behaves now as a lef-click
2725 [23:39:12] <drasko> I have Dell XPS 15 running Debian Buster
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2739 [23:46:48] <sdk> drasko: #debian-next if you need help with buster.
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2744 [23:49:00] <id4rk> hi there, im using debian in terminal mode
2745 [23:49:07] <id4rk> can anyone tell me how to use alt codes?
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2749 [23:51:07] <drasko> sdk, Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only).
2750 [23:52:05] <annadane> !debian-next
2751 [23:52:05] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2752 [23:52:10] <annadane> sdk, it's on oftc
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2755 [23:53:17] <annadane> drasko, ^
2756 [23:53:48] <bolt> that factoid really should explain *why* it's on oftc
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2758 [23:54:56] <annadane> i guess i might as well register #debian-next on freenode so people don't have to switch servers
2759 [23:55:08] <annadane> oh
2760 [23:55:13] <annadane> never mind, exists :P
2761 [23:55:15] <annadane> duh
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2770 [23:59:46] <bites> the official support channels are mostly on oftc. this is the weird one and exists on both networks.
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