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21[00:10:30] <fabiob> Hi, I have an application that should start a systemd service only if it's enabled in its configuration file. How can I do that?
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26[00:11:51] <fabiob> I would need something like ConditionTrue=/usr/local/bin/my-app --is-service-enabled
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28[00:12:49] <fabiob> or just to tell systemd that it's ok my service is shutting down and not to put it in a failed state
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62[00:33:01] <7GHAB4O7E> t3st3r: Thanks; in that case, I'll enable it.
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178[01:53:48] <awal1> man arpon
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183[01:55:08] <DerLGm> lol awal1
184[01:55:35] <DerLGm> man purse
185[01:55:39] <awal1> DerLGm, confusing tabs here :P
186[01:55:57] <DerLGm> awal1: I thought that was a pun
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189[01:56:05] <awal1> nah
190[01:56:28] <DerLGm> alwell, i got a laugh out of it
191[01:56:37] <awal1> :)
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244[02:31:39] <awal1> anyone familiar with 'arpon'?
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256[02:45:25] <toruvinn> man the arpons!
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421[04:58:39] <aindilis`> anyone know the command for taking a git repo and creating a remote repo adding it as origin, converting it to be bare and setting it up so I can git pull, git push to it?
422[04:59:02] <aindilis`> hrm nm, I'll just make a github and use those commands
423[04:59:03] <aindilis`> ty
424[05:01:17] <somiaj> aindilis`: there are various git servers, git should come with a basic server, though there are things like gitlab, and git servers written in other languages.
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434[05:05:00] <somiaj> aindilis`: replaced-url
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436[05:05:47] <aindilis`> this is what I think I was looking for:
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438[05:05:52] <aindilis`> cd <GITROOTDIR>/gitroot/ && mkdir private.git && cd private.git && git init --bare
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441[05:06:14] <aindilis`> git remote add origin ssh://<USERNAME>@<HOST>/<GITROOTDIR>/gitroot/private.git
442[05:06:21] <aindilis`> cd <REPODIR>/private && git push -u origin master
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452[05:10:54] <aindilis`> yeah that works, if you put the cd <REPODIR>/private before the git remote add origin ...
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491[05:28:59] <JohnA1> running buster - dnssec-keymgr keeps failing with "unable to apply policy: xxx.com/RSASHA256: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'float' and 'Nonetype'" what does this mean and how to fix?
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503[05:33:40] <annadane> !debian-next
504[05:33:41] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
505[05:33:44] <annadane> JohnA1, ^
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521[05:39:42] <JohnA1> annadane, Thanks for the info
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553[06:01:21] <artkar_> hellp
554[06:01:25] <artkar_> hello
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556[06:01:47] <karlpinc> !ask
557[06:01:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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851[10:10:25] <EnchanterTim> hi
852[10:10:32] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
853[10:10:55] <EnchanterTim> I need this package on debian buster in order to package replaced-url
854[10:11:07] <EnchanterTim> I'm trying to package this
855[10:11:22] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
856[10:11:36] <cheapie> arm64 is in the main archive, not ports.
857[10:11:37] <babilen> That package isn't in Debian anymore
858[10:11:38] <EnchanterTim> to build this I need python-gmenus, but I can't find it in sid either
859[10:11:49] <EnchanterTim> I see.
860[10:12:18] <cheapie> replaced-url
861[10:12:24] <EnchanterTim> what can be done to try and get the dependencies to be satisfied for replaced-url
862[10:12:42] <babilen> It was removed after jessie -- See replaced-url
863[10:12:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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865[10:13:01] <babilen> My guess would be that "adeskbar" is equally unmaintained, but lets take a look
866[10:13:08] <EnchanterTim> thanks
867[10:13:28] <EnchanterTim> I just was looking for a minimal xorg only panel that doesn't require a whole desktop/window manager etc.
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870[10:13:53] <EnchanterTim> standalone minimal panel, pref. using x libs and not gtk, but someone said this was also very light weight, even though it has gtk
871[10:14:13] <babilen> replaced-url
872[10:15:11] <cheapie> I don't see anything requiring python-gmenu in there.
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874[10:16:28] <babilen> cheapie: That seems to be a different version than the even more outdated one on tuxfamily.org
875[10:16:54] <EnchanterTim> nm
876[10:16:57] <EnchanterTim> I dont' want to use this
877[10:17:03] <EnchanterTim> it's more hassle than it's worth.
878[10:17:10] <EnchanterTim> thanks for tkaing the time to help
879[10:17:15] <EnchanterTim> I'm going to try to find another panel.
880[10:17:21] <babilen> Question is .. what alternatives are there these days?
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882[10:17:29] <EnchanterTim> \o/
883[10:17:45] <EnchanterTim> My favorite panel used tob e kicker, kde 3.5.10
884[10:17:45] <cheapie> fbpanel looks promising.
885[10:17:53] <babilen> fbpanel definitely is nice
886[10:17:58] <EnchanterTim> Then something weird happened to kde, they went mental.
887[10:18:04] <EnchanterTim> hm.
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889[10:18:11] <babilen> But I haven't used it in ages, so I have no idea if its still a proper choice
890[10:18:18] <toofar_> I have heard of people using lemonbar and it only depends on xcb
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892[10:18:27] <EnchanterTim> Latest commit 478754b on Dec 4, 2015
893[10:18:27] <cheapie> Try this: replaced-url
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897[10:20:23] <babilen> Both lemonbar and fbpanel are worth a look. fbpanel was nice the last time I used it (many years ago) and lemonbar seems to tick the right boxes too. I'd definitely go for something that's still maintained and packaged in Debian
898[10:20:55] <cheapie> Now if only we could get a decent radiusd packaged :P
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900[10:21:39] <cheapie> freeradius isn't in testing at the moment (bugs, yay), radiusd-livingston is buggy and barely documented, yardradius was dropped a few releases ago...
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902[10:22:06] * cheapie will stick with freeradius, as it's probably going to go back to normal once collectd is fixed
903[10:22:28] <g0zzy> Not quite sure what aptitude is up to. I did aptitude remove libreoffice and it's still there in the Applications menu
904[10:22:35] <cheapie> Unless anyone has any better ideas, anyway :P
905[10:22:51] <cheapie> g0zzy: I think "libreoffice" is just a metapackage. The other components are probably still installed.
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908[10:24:08] <babilen> g0zzy: Try "aptitude search '~i~nlibreoffice'"
909[10:24:19] <cheapie> If you remove libreoffice-core, that'll probably force it to uninstall all of the individual applications... just be careful, though, as something else might depend on it.
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911[10:24:45] <g0zzy> Well actuall my objective is to install the backported one
912[10:24:53] <babilen> So .. why don't you do that?
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914[10:25:07] <g0zzy> Do i need to remove the old one first?
915[10:25:12] <babilen> No, not at all
916[10:25:26] <g0zzy> OK. Was concerned i might get two ;)
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918[10:25:37] <babilen> Nope, the packages will simply be upgraded
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920[10:27:08] <g0zzy> OK - it's going ahead. Always makes me nervous when apt asks questions. It did twice
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927[10:33:52] <g0zzy> Thanks folks
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952[10:56:10] <EnchanterTim> !java
953[10:56:11] <dpkg> Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. replaced-url
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999[11:25:38] <dutchfish> hi, how to gracefully end the password-ask grace time for sudo commands in the current session inside a Debian console?
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1002[11:27:00] <pingfloyd> ^c
1003[11:27:55] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, doesnt work
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1005[11:28:17] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, it still doesnt ask again for the password
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1008[11:30:11] <dutchfish> i want it to ask again for the password after i gave it the correct one on the first sudo command and only one time during that session
1009[11:30:17] <petemc> sudo -k ?
1010[11:30:59] <dutchfish> petemc, you are the man! Thanks :)
1011[11:31:05] <petemc> np
1012[11:31:24] <petemc> you an adjust the timeout for permanent effect
1013[11:31:43] <unicron> i tried to upgrade debian 8 to 9 in an openvz with an ancient kernel and now apt is broken because libc6 failed to install and i'm in dependency hell
1014[11:31:52] <unicron> i assume there's no way out of this
1015[11:32:13] <dutchfish> petemc, no, the timeout is ok as it is now, but sometimes i want to make sure, that scripts i run dont have sudoers right without a password, after i used sudo.
1016[11:32:20] <petemc> ok
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1019[11:35:08] <dutchfish> (when building packages)
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1021[11:35:43] <dutchfish> unicron, do you have backups?
1022[11:35:54] <unicron> i can still access the system
1023[11:35:59] <unicron> just can't do anything with apt
1024[11:37:31] <dutchfish> unicron, what Debian release is this?
1025[11:37:50] <bites> we had the same problem with our openvz containers running on a 2.6 kernel, that's why we kept them at 8.
1026[11:37:56] <unicron> jessie, trying to go to stretch
1027[11:38:05] <bites> (and switched away from openvz)
1028[11:38:12] <dutchfish> unicron, what is grep . /etc/debian_version
1029[11:38:26] <unicron> 9.3
1030[11:38:37] <unicron> but it's only partly upgraded, libc6 failed
1031[11:38:54] <unicron> this happened: replaced-url
1032[11:38:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1033[11:39:40] <dutchfish> unicron, restore a backup, i bet you are to far in the dist-upgrade to roll it back already
1034[11:40:13] <unicron> bites: i want to keep this vps because i got such a good deal on it. $7/mo for 3gb ram, 100gb disk, 5 ipv4 addrs
1035[11:42:08] <dutchfish> unicron, after that think if you want the LTS or leave openvz alltogether
1036[11:42:28] <bites> then you have to live with it being not compatible with glibc in stretch or newer.
1037[11:42:37] <unicron> that's fine
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1039[11:43:27] <dutchfish> unicron, there are a gazillion security issues with it, you have been warned.
1040[11:44:52] <dutchfish> !lts
1041[11:44:53] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
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1048[11:46:57] <unicron> as long as there's no remote root holes it'll be ok
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1052[11:47:55] <dutchfish> unicron, well, its in transit for Jessie, because Jessie is oldstable now for the time being, you can read about it here replaced-url
1053[11:48:26] <dutchfish> unicron, currently oldstable has security bugs and i ment grave ones
1054[11:48:54] <dutchfish> unicron, you can fix it, but be prepared for a rough ride
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1056[11:49:12] <unicron> which bugs do you mean?
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1058[11:49:58] <ageis> Does apt pinning support the arch (in the Packages, not Pin
1059[11:50:04] <ageis> e.g. lib*:i386
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1065[11:53:55] <dutchfish> unicron, replaced-url
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1067[11:54:41] <dutchfish> and not all are in there yet
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1071[11:56:39] <dutchfish> unicron, the most emminent is the kernel in oldstable which problaby get fixed first
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1074[11:57:26] <dutchfish> in short, you are far better off running stable
1075[11:57:52] <dutchfish> and that means giving up openvz i gues
1076[11:58:58] <bites> i think it's a RHEL 6 kernel in there. which is even worse. ^^
1077[11:59:22] <dutchfish> oh gosh ....
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1081[12:00:23] <bites> and because all containers share the same kernel it doesn't even matter if you are the one that lets the bad guys in. :>
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1083[12:01:01] <dutchfish> bites, unfortunately, you are spot on
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1088[12:03:07] <dutchfish> unicron, if you insist on continueing oldstable, contact the guys in LTS, if any help, you most likely find it there.
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1090[12:03:26] <StyXman> I have a little problem while trying to configure cpu governor and limits: replaced-url
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1094[12:04:46] <StyXman> any ideas?
1095[12:04:49] <unicron> ok
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1097[12:07:47] <dutchfish> StyXman, what cpu is this? Have you looked at the C-states in Bios and speedstep (if Intel)?
1098[12:08:29] <StyXman> it's an old Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo
1099[12:08:30] <dutchfish> StyXman, and furthermore freq is now an ACPI thing in latest kernels
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1101[12:09:17] <StyXman> latest as in? I have 4.6x..
1102[12:09:29] <dutchfish> StyXman, and this is Debian/stable? with stick kernel?
1103[12:09:37] <dutchfish> s/stick/stock
1104[12:09:41] <StyXman> testing, stock
1105[12:10:00] * cheapie sticks to the kernel
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1108[12:10:08] <dutchfish> StyXman, ok, in testing, ACPI overrules the governer, its ondemand all the way
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1110[12:10:50] <StyXman> it seems like I have a bios limit: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/bios_limit has 800MHz
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1114[12:11:13] <dutchfish> StyXman, on a default config of the governer, it will already throtle back to lowest or highest freq, depending on the load for ALL the cores at once.
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1117[12:12:06] <dutchfish> StyXman, unless you Bios has some form of preferring the state for one core, you cant simply alter that anymore in the governer.
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1121[12:12:55] <dutchfish> StyXman, there are things you can prospone in systemd however, if powerusage is of utmost importance.
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1123[12:13:15] <dutchfish> StyXman, you need laptop utils for that
1124[12:13:48] <dutchfish> StyXman, the kernel as it is now, does a damn nice job already
1125[12:14:04] <dutchfish> StyXman, this is all testing/currently not stable
1126[12:16:14] <dutchfish> StyXman, ask #debian-next (OFTC) for more
1127[12:16:14] <StyXman> okey
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1129[12:16:15] <StyXman> but my problem is that the machine has 7+ of load, all cpu work (no disk or tnet waiting) and the cpu freq is down to 800MHz instead of up to 2.2GHz
1130[12:16:15] <dutchfish> StyXman, then the load is not cpu bound, but otherwise
1131[12:16:17] <dutchfish> StyXman, spindles maybe?
1132[12:16:50] <dutchfish> StyXman, check io
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1135[12:17:13] <dutchfish> StyXman, mostly when there is memory pressure ....
1136[12:17:20] <StyXman> I see at least 6 process in R state
1137[12:17:44] <StyXman> almost no D states
1138[12:17:46] <dutchfish> StyXman, lets continue this in #debian-next, this channel is for stable
1139[12:17:50] <StyXman> ack
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1148[12:22:24] <RoyK> anyone that knows a good webserver with a nice gui etc, something for a non-nerd to use, and easy to mange? I'm rather knowledgable about linux myself, but my users generally aren't. I'm using zimbra now, but I want to try something a bit more open
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1151[12:23:17] <StyXman> web server or web mail?
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1156[12:24:24] <RoyK> StyXman: I don't care what sort of web server it's using, but I need email storage, an mta (postfix?) and a webui, preferably with administration
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1158[12:25:05] <RoyK> zimbra rocks, but migrating to a new server is such a PITA, since they don't give out migration tools in the open
1159[12:25:22] <mhc> hi all, in the software updates, the latest libre* updates have a red cross to the right of them. are they safe to install and where can i find a description for the icons that the updater uses??
1160[12:25:33] <StyXman> RoyK: you asked for a web server...
1161[12:25:41] <mhc> to the left osrry
1162[12:25:46] <RoyK> erm - sorry
1163[12:25:53] <RoyK> StyXman: I meant something like zimbra
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1165[12:26:07] <jair> Hello all, if I will be setting up my home office dns server in debian, would it be OK to try the buster alpha 2 and the get the latest upgrades soon since its going to be stable or should I just go with 9.3
1166[12:26:15] <StyXman> RoyK: webmail
1167[12:26:17] <RoyK> StyXman: as I said, I know linux fairly well, having used it for 24 years or so ;)
1168[12:26:22] <RoyK> StyXman: no, not just webmail
1169[12:26:32] <StyXman> RoyK: the good thing about zimbra is that you mostly run the mail setup from it
1170[12:26:49] <jair> its going to be my dns server but I may add some other services, elastic search, monitoring...
1171[12:27:04] <StyXman> if you want out, you should configure a mail server by yourself
1172[12:27:04] <RoyK> and the bad thing is that when you want to migrate to another server, it really is a pain in the arse
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1175[12:27:54] <RoyK> omg - please - I'm just asking, ok? I know dovecot, cyrus, cypress, sendmail, postfix, exim, whatever - I just want something that's easy to manage - I have better things to spend my time on
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1184[12:33:37] <StyXman> RoyK: what I meant was exactly that, replacing zimbra means way more manual tweaking
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1220[12:41:18] <StyXman> RoyK: i know a guy at work that manages Zimbras, maybe I can ask him about migrating on Tuesday
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1231[12:49:24] <__raven__> i am trying to boot 9.1 with kernel 4.9 on an old hardware platform (K7S8X asrock, amd athlon 2500+, ati radeon 8500). after installation from netboot image it keeps running into kernel panik (Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00000009" also with acpi=off. what could i try to repair it?
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1240[13:00:28] <somiaj> and by boot 9.1, what do you mean? Some install you have, or an install image?
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1247[13:00:46] <__raven__> somiaj: debian 9.1
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1309[13:15:25] <dob1> hi, if I want to create a cron job that runs every 2 hours from 6 to midnight I have to create 2 cronjobs right? 0 6-22/2 * * * command and 0 0 * * * command
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1311[13:16:39] <dob1> I can't use 6-24
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1313[13:17:27] <dob1> or is 0 0-6/2,0 * * * command valid?
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1320[13:20:24] <dutchfish> dob1, why not something like `* 6,8,10,12 * * * foo >/dev/null 2>&1` ?
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1326[13:21:43] <dob1> dutchfish, yes it's right this too, but I don't know if you can combine 6-22/2,0
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1328[13:21:56] <dutchfish> nope
1329[13:22:18] <dob1> ok then
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1331[13:23:05] <dutchfish> dob1, because its min, hours, days, months, weekday
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1336[13:24:37] <dutchfish> dob1, and the separator is a space for the columns and , for the list items
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1339[13:24:50] <dob1> I know this, but you can do 0 6-22/2 * * * and you can do 0 6,8,10,12(etc) * * so maybe 0 6-22/2,0 * * * it's valid
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1342[13:25:17] <dutchfish> dob1, highly doubt it, but you can try
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1348[13:27:04] <StyXman> dob1: try 0,6-22/2
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1350[13:27:41] <dob1> StyXman, why in this way?
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1356[13:34:20] <StyXman> dob1: both should work
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1361[13:38:00] <oo_miguel> Where can I check if my system was shutdown cleanly last time?
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1363[13:38:41] <unicron> why is openvz so cheap yet so crappy
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1416[14:07:23] <SpeedyG> unicron: because price and quality can be related? ;)
1417[14:07:30] <baba_> hello all
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1421[14:09:50] <baba_> I need toactivate a driver quirk that has no corresponding letter or flag.....how is that done?
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1440[14:22:36] <__raven__> kernel 3.6 on jessie also fails :/
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1486[14:39:48] <jelly-home> dob1, you can test this syntax easily with a job like 41,42-59/2 * * * * /bin/date
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1545[15:06:37] <jelly-home> abrotman, that was just a "robot" I guess!
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1599[15:37:07] <Candybendy> eyy how do I scroll in xterm
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1605[15:41:04] <dob1> jelly-home, thanks, it seems to work
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1611[15:43:15] <jelly-home> Candybendy, shift PageUp?
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1614[15:44:09] <g0zzy> Is there a way to prevent HD partitions from showing up in Caja? I don't want the user to try to mount them
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1616[15:46:07] <Candybendy> Doesn't work jelly. Could having xterm installed break it?
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1619[15:46:43] <Candybendy> uh, I mean tmux.
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1621[15:46:57] <Candybendy> I just returned to this install I cant remember if it worked before
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1628[15:50:27] <tgp> hello. i try to compile a project on debian. but when running make it can't find lua.h. I have two versions of lua-*-dev installed, so the files exist on my system. How can i make sure that "make" find them?
1629[15:50:44] <Candybendy> Well this is weird, I plugged in a keyboard that has a scroll lock key, and it works now
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1636[15:56:12] <Candybendy> something something -I/usr/include/ perhaps?
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1643[15:59:57] <tgp> No. cmake can't find a cmake file. And make no make file.
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1651[16:03:15] <g0zzy> Is there any easy way of enabling unattended upgrades after the fact? I'm loth to edit the default config finally manually
1652[16:03:26] <g0zzy> s/finally/file
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1654[16:03:55] <oo_miguel> can I tell debian via /etc/network/interfaces to create a bridge for me? virbr1?
1655[16:04:18] <oo_miguel> or do I need to run "brctl addbr .." myself
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1659[16:05:48] <oo_miguel> hmm I guess I could use pre-up
1660[16:06:43] <bites> you can do it in /etc/network/interfaces. bridge_ports eth0 eth1 for example. reference the debian wiki replaced-url
1661[16:06:49] <tgp> oo_miguel: if the bridge utils are installed you can created via interfaces.
1662[16:06:54] <tgp> * it
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1672[16:16:02] <oo_miguel> ok not sure how to accomplish this.. however : "pre-up brctl addbr virbr1" works fine!
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1686[16:28:55] <f-a> I have an audio file and a PNG file. I would like to make a static image video out of them (i.e. the music playing while the image is displayed). Which software should I apt-get install?
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1688[16:29:58] <fekir> Hello, I would like, only for the current session, to have /tmp on tmpfs. I've tried to use "mount -o mode=1777,nosuid,nodev -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp", which might work, the problem I'm facing is that files already in /tmp are not visible. Is there a way to copy the on the new mountpoint or to leave them readable?
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1692[16:32:13] <Candybendy> @f-a, does it need to be a video or do you just want the picture added to the file?
1693[16:32:21] <dutchfish> f-a, well, i know kdenlive can do it, maybe there are others ....
1694[16:33:22] <Candybendy> I either case, ffmpeg
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1696[16:34:13] <f-a> Candybendy: as long as it displays the pic when launching it throug, say, vlc or mplayer
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1698[16:34:30] <f-a> thanks Candybendy and dutchfish , I'll check them out
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1701[16:36:27] <Candybendy> then a video seems like a huge waste
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1705[16:37:29] <dutchfish> f-a, Candybendy yes, if you are not on KDE, ffmpeg commandline is better
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1708[16:38:47] <dutchfish> f-a, if you just after a picture to show while listening to music, use something like clementine, that will show related picture or album pictures.
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1710[16:38:48] <Candybendy> there you go, replaced-url
1711[16:39:14] <f-a> nice, many thanks!
1712[16:39:48] <Candybendy> or actually, it is very likely that vlc lets you do that
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1714[16:41:23] <Candybendy> welp, my vlc install seems to be broken, but I definitely can remember doing that with vlc
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1721[16:48:09] <d0uglas> Hi fellas. I'm working on my sites and nginx, trying to crap up my connection, and while a command like the following works on everything, it doesn't on chrome/chromium which I'd like to be able to use to test. Any thoughts? ... tc qdisc add dev enp8s0 root netem delay 200ms 40ms 25% loss 15.3% 25% duplicate 1% corrupt 0.1% reorder 5% 50%
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1733[16:57:13] <d0uglas> wait never mind, for some reason it only didn't work on one site I tested, others it works.. I'm good.
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1769[17:16:31] <cheche> Hi, i am able to install debian on a RAID1 using netboot, but only Debian 7 32 bits.
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1771[17:16:48] <cheche> I have test debian 8, debian 9, both 32bits and 64bits
1772[17:17:08] <cheche> but in all cases I am unable to set RAID1 as root.
1773[17:17:40] <cheche> On debian9 I think that I have hit this bug replaced-url
1774[17:17:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1775[17:17:58] <cheche> where the kernel and module have a version mismatch.
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1778[17:18:54] <cheche> I wonder is anyone can give me a clue.
1779[17:18:58] <sine0> how can i cycle network that has not init
1780[17:19:42] <cheche> sine0: maybe I am wrong... if eth0 down; if eth0 up
1781[17:20:07] <cheche> sine0: you can try dhclient eth0
1782[17:20:22] <abrotman> is it real raid or swraid?
1783[17:20:25] <cheche> (maybe old school does not apply here..)
1784[17:20:27] <abrotman> sine0: ifup/ifdown ?
1785[17:20:29] <cheche> abrotman: swraid
1786[17:21:16] <cheche> abrotman: I can setup the RAID. but I am unable to formaat as ext4
1787[17:21:36] <cheche> abrotman: I am able to do it with debian7 32 bits.
1788[17:22:15] <cheche> abrotman: with debian9 I have got the feeling that ths modules are not in the repository replaced-url
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1790[17:23:21] <cheche> maybe instead of using netboot + preseed.cfg I should be using something else
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1825[17:49:01] <greenP> Hello. recently installed citadel ux on debian 9. Looks good for mail and groupware... except for wiki
1826[17:49:32] <greenP> In its "rooms" architecture i can only create one wiki page per room.
1827[17:49:36] <khalella> how can i install php-tidy on the php:7.1-apache image? its based on debian:jessie ?
1828[17:50:05] <khalella> the packages php-tidy, php5-tidy, php7-tidy, do not have any installation candidates
1829[17:50:10] <greenP> So that's the question. But before, has someone used citadel here?
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1832[17:54:00] <fekir> Is there a tool like rm that before deleting the file it overwrites it once (and only once) with 0? I do not need it for security, but for reclaiming automatically space from a virtual disk. I would like to avoid to dd at the end the whole partition (can be big), I think it makes more sense to just overwrite the space I know it was used (of course I might miss something, but it does not matter, time is more
1833[17:54:02] <fekir> precious than little space)
1834[17:54:20] <fekir> An interface like rm would be appreciated (makes easier to update existing scripts)
1835[17:54:28] <abrotman> dpkg: shred
1836[17:54:28] <dpkg> shred, rap, powd, dude
1837[17:54:30] <abrotman> bah
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1839[17:54:48] <abrotman> fekir: man shred
1840[17:54:51] <fekir> shred does not overwrite with 0, but with random data afaik
1841[17:55:11] <fekir> I can pass -z, but then they are at least 2 passes
1842[17:55:30] <abrotman> change -n to 0 ?
1843[17:55:44] <abrotman> you're getting awful picky .. but your call
1844[17:56:54] <fekir> You are right, I passed the -n parameter wrong before, and I thought it required n>=1
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1848[17:57:10] <fekir> thank you
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1922[18:42:38] <d9867eb> hi
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1925[18:44:16] <annadane> hi d9867eb
1926[18:44:19] <DerLGm> hi
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1929[18:45:42] <d9867eb> I have exim4 installed on my machines to be able to get error messages from cron jobs and security. I also use tmux and like show the number of current unread mail in my right statusbar.
1930[18:45:53] <d9867eb> I had like *
1931[18:46:12] <d9867eb> how do i do that?
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1933[18:46:41] <d9867eb> annadane,
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1943[18:51:33] <VentGrey> Hello Debian users I am currently experiencing some issues with my MATE desktop environment, first everytime I disconnect my phone the menu item persists replaced-url
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1969[19:07:46] <g0zzy> That doesn't really show any context at all
1970[19:08:08] <VentGrey> My bad, I think I need to explain myself
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1973[19:09:02] <VentGrey> When I connect my phone it mounts as NTP normally, but when I disconnect it the icon or the item does not dissapear from caja's list
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1976[19:09:26] <VentGrey> strangely this doesn't happen with usb's or HDD's
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1980[19:13:01] * g0zzy thinks you mean 'MTP' ;)
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1983[19:14:50] <VentGrey> xD wild typos
1984[19:15:21] <VentGrey> do not mount any kind of Network Time Protocol
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1993[19:22:52] <becks`> hi, after killing some processes, my debian 9.3 constantly shows a load uf >1, even there's not much cpu, and top shows no iowait (0.0 wa) - how can I figure out what exactly is causing that load of 1?
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1997[19:24:14] <g0zzy> Could be a udev problem. Have you checked dmesg?
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1999[19:26:47] <phinxy> This Makefile created a "tmp" file and tries to cd to it. Or what is going on? replaced-url
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2002[19:27:38] <becks`> thanks g0zzy, rsyslogd seems to be the cause... there are a lot of those in my dmesg, but kill -9 pid doesn't kill it :-/ replaced-url
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2004[19:28:12] <phinxy> Here is the makefile function: replaced-url
2005[19:29:07] <g0zzy> What are you trying to kill?
2006[19:29:42] <becks`> rsyslogd, so kill -9 439
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2009[19:30:54] <VentGrey> Well dmesg shows a segfault but it's not phone-related
2010[19:31:07] <g0zzy> I was actually talking to VentGrey ;) But since you mention it, why kill something that's _meant_ to be running? At most you'd restart it
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2012[19:31:09] <Neo4> hi
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2014[19:31:32] <VentGrey> replaced-url
2015[19:31:39] <Neo4> I did sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda and got this
2016[19:31:39] <Neo4> Found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR to GPT format
2017[19:31:39] <Neo4> in memory.
2018[19:31:39] <Neo4> ???
2019[19:31:54] <becks`> restarting it doesn't work either, I tried 'service rsyslog restart' but then it just hangs...
2020[19:32:00] <Neo4> Gparter can't run
2021[19:32:09] <g0zzy> But what is that pastbinned image OF exactly?
2022[19:32:16] <Neo4> I need to convert MBR to GPT?
2023[19:32:17] <phinxy> i tried making with interactive sudo and the error dissapeared
2024[19:33:00] <g0zzy> You mean the command doesn't complete?
2025[19:33:32] <becks`> exactly :)
2026[19:33:42] <becks`> I have to ctrl+c it
2027[19:34:18] <Neo4> I need to fix parts? replaced-url
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2033[19:35:37] <g0zzy> Have you tailed dmesg just after issuing the command?
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2040[19:37:43] <becks`> dmesg doesn't show anything new when trying to restart the service
2041[19:38:19] <Neo4> what does it mean? replaced-url
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2043[19:39:13] <ikonia> Neo4: that looks like ubuntu
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2046[19:39:51] <Neo4> ikonia: yes it looks like :)
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2048[19:40:01] <ikonia> Neo4: use #ubuntu then, this is for debian
2049[19:40:16] <Neo4> ikonia: do you know how to fix (Found invalid GPT and valid MBR; converting MBR to GPT format)
2050[19:40:19] <ikonia> Neo4: use #ubuntu then, this is for debian
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2052[19:40:41] <Neo4> ikonia: there moderator banned me, I'm going here ask
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2054[19:40:51] <Neo4> ikonia: ubuntu and debian is equal
2055[19:40:54] <ikonia> Neo4: you got banned in ubuntu - doesn't mean you start asking here
2056[19:41:00] <ikonia> this is for debian support, not ubuntu support
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2059[19:41:15] <annadane> !based on debian
2060[19:41:15] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
2061[19:41:29] <Neo4> ikonia: I understand you don't want to help?
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2063[19:41:44] <annadane> literally read what they said
2064[19:41:44] <ikonia> that's not what I said, read the bot dpkg's response
2065[19:41:52] <annadane> do not ask #debian
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2072[19:44:39] <becks`> g0zzy I think rsyslogd is in an uninterruptible sleep... nobody can wake him up ;D
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2076[19:47:34] <g0zzy> At the risk of sounding Windowsish, you could try rebooting ;) But you need to get to the bottom of it if it happens again
2077[19:48:10] <VentGrey> The tail dmesg command threw the same output
2078[19:48:55] <VentGrey> Tried plugging and unplugging my phone and the same entry repeats itself
2079[19:49:20] <becks`> g0zzy yeah, I often hear this answer even from linux poeple :D but it's a server, so I'll rather live with it :)
2080[19:49:22] <VentGrey> USB disconnect, device number 9 (number grows everytime I plug the phone back in)
2081[19:50:55] <becks`> let my try asking in #rsyslog ;D
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2089[19:56:07] * wigums replaced-url
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2094[19:58:43] <g0zzy> I still don't know what the phone-related image was OF
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2101[20:02:36] <VentGrey> OF?
2102[20:03:03] <VentGrey> Well maybe it's a caja bug because terminal does not show any MTP devices mounted
2103[20:03:44] <somiaj> mtp devices don't get mounted in their traditional sense (unless you use some fuse mtp device mapper)
2104[20:04:09] <somiaj> but most of the de applications that import/output from them don't mount them.
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2106[20:05:33] <alkisg> becks`: do you have any networked file system involved?
2107[20:06:08] <becks`> alkisg: I had a mount (fuse), but not any more
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2109[20:08:01] <alkisg> becks`: ok; because I've seen that error in processes that wait for io from the network...
2110[20:08:03] <VentGrey> Nope no network filesystems here
2111[20:08:19] <VentGrey> Maybe caja it's just bugged
2112[20:08:25] <alkisg> VentGrey: what's the bug?
2113[20:08:42] <becks`> alkisg: thought of that too, but I guess rsyslogd doesn't require files from that mount :)
2114[20:08:50] <VentGrey> Caja shows unmounted mtp devices
2115[20:09:06] <VentGrey> replaced-url
2116[20:09:06] <alkisg> VentGrey: isn't that so that you can mount them again?
2117[20:09:16] <VentGrey> I can mount them again
2118[20:09:24] <VentGrey> but dmesg assigns a new "usb" number
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2120[20:09:36] <alkisg> Eh, those are many instances of the same phone, weird, sounds like a buggy phone
2121[20:09:49] <VentGrey> I thought of that as well
2122[20:09:50] <alkisg> Like it provides a different id each time
2123[20:09:59] <VentGrey> tried it with a Tablet and a Windows phone
2124[20:10:23] <alkisg> caja works fine for me with my nexus 4
2125[20:10:30] <VentGrey> Same issue, xD google isn't helping at all im trying to find anything in journalctl
2126[20:10:51] <alkisg> Ah do you have "charge from usb" enabled on those devices?
2127[20:11:00] <alkisg> Maybe they try to get too much current, and their connection fails?
2128[20:11:16] <alkisg> You could retry with a powered hub, if you have one
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2132[20:12:54] <alkisg> You can keep `udevadm monitor` running; you should see messages when you plug in the phone, and when you unplug it, but not between those 2 events. If you see udev events while you're not plug/unpluging the phone, there's an issue there not related to caja
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2135[20:13:22] <VentGrey> I'll try to disable the "charge" option
2136[20:13:43] <VentGrey> tho it worked fine like 1 year ago (maybe it's old nature is causing trouble)
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2165[20:34:02] <Dungeon> how do i search for a file on the system from command line?
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2167[20:35:21] <Pidgeotto> the find command
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2180[20:43:15] <wigums> or mlocate
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2182[20:43:34] <wigums> which i prefer. its much faster
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2206[21:00:11] <Dungeon> got any example syntaxs for find command?
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2208[21:00:26] <Dungeon> id like to look for hidden files and folders also
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2211[21:00:40] <KaffeeJunky123> is it possible to use the binary nvidia driver with eglstreams on gnome3 yet in debian stretch?
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2214[21:00:57] <jelly-home> !using find
2215[21:00:58] <dpkg> it has been said that using find is replaced-url
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2220[21:03:58] <Aramis> find /search/directory/ -name *string*
2221[21:07:45] <Dungeon> if you dont know which dir should i include one or just a / maybe?
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2224[21:09:15] <spigot> vim is changing the indent of a line as I edit it (inserting or adding characters) and this wasn't the behavior in 7.4 (old-stable). there's a section about autoindenting based on filetype in the /etc rc file, but it's commented out. any ideas?
2225[21:10:03] <KaffeeJunky123> spigot: check your vimrc
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2227[21:11:46] <Aramis> Dungeon: include /, or else it will search in the current directory
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2229[21:12:59] <spigot> KaffeeJunky123: no .vimrc. just defaults.
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2231[21:13:43] <KaffeeJunky123> spigot: what about the one in /etc/vim ?
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2236[21:14:35] <spigot> 'there's a secion about autoindenting based on filetype in the /etc rc file, but it's commented out.' I'm not sure what you're asking- what about it?
2237[21:15:35] <KaffeeJunky123> spigot: there's a vimrc in /etc/vim as well
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2239[21:15:53] <KaffeeJunky123> which loads the default stuff before the user defined vimrc is loaded
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2243[21:20:08] <bertbob> if no user vimrc is found defaults.vim is loaded /usr/share/vim/vim80/defaults.vim
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2250[21:24:26] <bertbob> which sets language dependent indenting
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2272[21:42:37] <xochilpili> hi all
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2274[21:43:16] <g0zzy> What's a good way to prevent users reading the exim4 smarthost credentials file by using sudo?
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2276[21:43:44] <somiaj> g0zzy: if you give users full root access, you cannot limit them from reading stuff on the system.
2277[21:43:50] <apollo13> well you can
2278[21:43:59] <apollo13> at least with selinux, not sure about apparmor
2279[21:43:59] <somiaj> you could configure sudo to give much more limited access, and let the users only run certain commands with it.
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2282[21:44:21] <somiaj> apollo13: even if someone had full root access that would block them? Could they just change the privlages as root?
2283[21:44:27] <apollo13> but I agree with somiaj that it is highly questionable
2284[21:44:29] <apollo13> somiaj: no
2285[21:44:34] <apollo13> somiaj: not with selinux at least
2286[21:44:48] <somiaj> so how does one change the permisions then?
2287[21:44:50] <xochilpili> i have a server installed with debian (virtualized), and i have another one with windows server 2012r2 in the same location (office), both are in a local network, so, is it possible to use remmina from my debian (which has no GUI installed) to connect into windows and see it from my computer at home ?
2288[21:45:09] <somiaj> apollo13: I really don't know selinux that well. So maybe I'm missing something obvious.
2289[21:45:10] <apollo13> somiaj: one does not (at least not if the selinux policies forbid it)
2290[21:45:23] <g0zzy> somiaj: Perhaps at least some sort of 'security by obscurity'?
2291[21:45:24] <somiaj> but couldn't one change the selinux policies?
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2293[21:45:42] <apollo13> somiaj: no, you can tell the kernel to lock them down and do not allow modifications
2294[21:46:13] <somiaj> ahh, maybe I'll have to look into that more.
2295[21:46:19] <apollo13> somiaj: if you want to change them then you basically need to boot a rescue system, modify the policies and do a boot (iirc)
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2297[21:46:48] <apollo13> somiaj: that said, selinux is usually only seen on rhel
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2301[21:47:13] <xochilpili> anyone?
2302[21:47:22] <somiaj> g0zzy: I guess if you wanted to configure selinux or mayabe apprmor (you would have to see if it can be locked down similar to as apollo13 said), you might be able to further restirct things. Or you could just not give full sudo privlages to your users.
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2304[21:47:47] <apollo13> g0zzy: and what good does security by obscurity do? you might wanna reconsider your thread model
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2307[21:49:18] <g0zzy> I might just have to remove the user from sudoers
2308[21:49:21] <apollo13> somiaj: some more details replaced-url
2309[21:49:44] <apollo13> why are they in sudoers then in the first place?
2310[21:50:25] <somiaj> g0zzy: you shouldn't be giving users root access you don't trust. Or limit them only to things you trust them with.
2311[21:50:29] <g0zzy> By default ;)
2312[21:51:02] <somiaj> users are not added to the sudoers file by default, and should not be added to the sudo group by default. This is something you are doing.
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2316[21:53:02] <g0zzy> Shall check
2317[21:53:26] <apollo13> well the first user might be added to sudoers by default if you disabled root access in the installer
2318[21:53:37] <g0zzy> I always do
2319[21:53:56] <g0zzy> They were added by default
2320[21:53:57] <somiaj> yea, I think that is the only default that happens in debian.
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2322[21:54:12] <somiaj> g0zzy: they? Are you running debian? How did you create these users.
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2325[21:54:54] <g0zzy> Yes. Installer
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2327[21:55:25] <g0zzy> 'They'=='he'
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2330[21:55:31] <somiaj> This is only the primary user that gets created. You can remove the user from the sudo group if needed.
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2333[21:55:48] <somiaj> In the future, you can just set up a password for root, and the primary user won't be added automatically to the sudo group.
2334[21:55:55] <g0zzy> Can't remember which util you use to do that
2335[21:56:17] <g0zzy> somiaj: afaicr that's no longer an option in the installer
2336[21:56:31] <somiaj> it is, at least iw as in stretch when I last installed a vm.
2337[21:56:38] <apollo13> pretty sure it is still there in at least expert mode
2338[21:56:59] <somiaj> but anyways, I forget the command, I just edit /etc/group and remove the name from the list in the sudo group.
2339[21:57:06] <g0zzy> Always use that mode. afaicr only allow/prevent root login
2340[21:57:28] <somiaj> so allow root login, and then set up a root password.
2341[21:57:35] <g0zzy> It's a non-intuitive name afaicr
2342[21:57:53] <g0zzy> Feels like bad security
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2344[21:58:55] <g0zzy> gpasswd is the util
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2348[22:01:16] <somiaj> g0zzy: you do? It only puts the user in the sudo group if you disable root. Otherwise you would have no way to get to root.
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2353[22:03:27] <g0zzy> Yes i suppose so. I think i've done things the right way around though - even if i've had trouble remembering ;)
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2448[22:59:33] <darkarmy> ji
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2450[22:59:51] <darkarmy> fgf
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2452[23:00:47] <darkarmy> Hi people
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2455[23:01:57] <darkarmy> sdfsdf
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2458[23:02:08] <darokthar> alfeaf
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2467[23:09:41] <annadane> hi, please don't spam
2468[23:09:55] <annadane> if you have a question debian-related then ask it
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2488[23:21:44] <Dungeon> wow tried find / nginx and it showed every file on the system?
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2490[23:24:26] <annadane> um... try not having a space? if you find / nginx it will search / (root directory) and nginx
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2492[23:24:33] <annadane> find term1 term2
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2510[23:32:30] <BlueHoodie> Hoping this is an easy question, when i type wine an error is returned that it cannot find wine. wine is currently installed to /opt/wine-stable. I want to type "wine" and have it run ./opt/wine-stable/bin/wine not sure what to google to accomplish the task
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2513[23:33:39] <somiaj> you can add that directory to your $PATH, or put a link into a place like /usr/local/bin or $HOME/bin/ which should already be in your $PATH.
2514[23:33:41] <bites> create a symlink from /usr/local/bin/wine to that binary.
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2518[23:35:17] <Miguel2013> can I create a windows 10 bootable flash drive
2519[23:35:19] <Miguel2013> using dd
2520[23:35:26] <Miguel2013> from the image
2521[23:35:41] <somiaj> Miguel2013: I would ask ##windows. Their .iso images may not be setup to be bootable.
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2523[23:35:53] <somiaj> dd just copies the image, windows users will know if the image can boot or not
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2525[23:37:16] <Miguel2013> somiaj, but it should as it can boot from dvd
2526[23:37:19] <Miguel2013> after burning
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2528[23:38:02] <somiaj> Miguel2013: booting from a dvd is different than a usb, it depends on the image. And debian doens't create them. Ask in ##windows, they maybe able to better verify this.
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2530[23:38:35] <bites> last time i tried dd wasn't enough.
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2535[23:44:43] <g0zzy> You might get some insight into a bootloader on the image with file x.iso
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2537[23:46:53] <g0zzy> But as somiaj has indicated, that doesn't mean you can just copy it to a usb stick and expect it to boot. It usually needs to be an isohybrid to do that
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2551[23:53:22] <Miguel2013> cool thanks
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2553[23:56:28] <oerheks> Miguel2013, you will need a tool like Woeusb replaced-url
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