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• 53[00:20:01] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I'm installing a new Debian 9 machine and as usual, am having problems getting bonding working. I don't understand the error it's giving me: "bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves" Of course it has slaves! That's the point!
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• 57[00:21:08] <Pegasus_RPG> I tried commenting out the slaves line but that doesn't help
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• 69[00:26:42] <teatime> Pegasus_RPG: Could you please upload your /etc/network/interfaces (to something like paste.debian.net or termbin.com)
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• 82[00:34:51] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: replaced-url
• 83[00:35:12] <Pegasus_RPG> the "manual" business was just to test
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• 86[00:37:43] <teatime> have you rebooted since adding the configuration?
• 87[00:38:08] <teatime> if you don't ifdown before editing interfaces, ifupdown usually gets in a weird state
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• 90[00:40:46] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: yes, multiple times since changing things
• 91[00:41:34] <teatime> kk, just making sure we had clean slate/state.
• 92[00:41:36] <Pegasus_RPG> Another weird thing is that I had to add bonding to /etc/modules
• 93[00:41:55] <Pegasus_RPG> (It's not auto-loading)
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• 96[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> So i keep getting [ 293.878853] bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves
• 97[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> sh: echo: I/O error
• 98[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
• 99[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> ifup: failed to bring up bond0
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• 101[00:45:21] <Pegasus_RPG> Web searches just turn up more people with the same problem and no solutions
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• 103[00:46:04] <Pegasus_RPG> perhaps I need to do something like auto enp66s0, iface manual, bond-master bond0 ?
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• 111[00:48:35] <teatime> you may try putting the enp66s0 and ens1f1 config after the bond0 config, and temporarily commenting out the inet6 line
• 112[00:49:02] <teatime> although, looks like the former should already be the case.
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• 117[00:51:09] <metastable> Pegasus_RPG: You're specifying slaves incorrectly.
• 118[00:52:11] <Pegasus_RPG> What is correct? (I have many other boxes on Debian 8 configured this way, though they call their interfaces ethX)
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• 121[00:52:22] <Pegasus_RPG> metastable: ^
• 122[00:52:23] <metastable> Pegasus_RPG: You're using ifenslave, yes?
• 123[00:52:27] <Pegasus_RPG> metastable: yes
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• 126[00:52:56] <Pegasus_RPG> This is my first Debian 9 box I'm trying to configure
• 127[00:53:01] <metastable> replaced-url
• 128[00:53:25] <metastable> Pegasus_RPG: You no longer need the 'manual' iface stanzas for the bonded interfaces, and the bond-* syntax was incorrect. That file should serve your needs.
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• 131[00:54:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Oh, so bond-slaves (and bond- everything instead of bond_) ?
• 132[00:54:46] <metastable> Pretty much.
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• 139[00:56:11] <Pegasus_RPG> still not working, same error
• 140[00:56:14] <Pegasus_RPG> grrr
• 141[00:56:29] <metastable> You might want to restart the system.
• 142[00:56:38] <metastable> If the interfaces are already controlled by a bond, things get wonky.
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• 144[00:57:22] <metastable> slaves vs bond-slaves means that the enslaved interfaces aren't controlled by ifenslave, and ifenslave will politely refuse to tamper with them.
• 145[00:57:51] * Pegasus_RPG reboots again
• 146[00:58:09] <annadane> reboot? what is this, windows?!?
• 147[00:58:27] <elektron> must have updated the kernel?
• 148[00:59:17] <RoyK> - your mouse moved. windows must be restarted for the change to take effect
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• 150[00:59:51] <teatime> it's possible to avoid the reboot, but then you have to question both your attempt to reset state and your configuration as possible causes of <immediate failure>
• 151[00:59:56] <teatime> if that makes sense.
• 152[00:59:59] <metastable> bond slave interfaces get weird when you try to change the bond configuration while the system's running.
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• 154[01:00:15] <mutante> my guess is it's all about customizing some boot flash screen and getting graphics effects before a GUI is loaded or somthing like that
• 155[01:00:22] <Pegasus_RPG> After reboot, still the same problem
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• 159[01:00:37] * Pegasus_RPG tries commenting out the option mode
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• 161[01:01:12] <Pegasus_RPG> Then I just get RTNETLINK answers: File exists
• 162[01:01:27] <Pegasus_RPG> Very helpful, that error message.
• 163[01:01:38] * teatime points at #870633
• 164[01:01:39] <annadane> i'm kidding, in case it wasn't obvious
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• 166[01:01:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 168[01:02:43] <metastable> Huh. How interesting. I use a four-port LACP LAG on both of my in-home servers. I wonder what I'm doing that's not triggering the bug.
• 169[01:02:51] <teatime> the modprobe.conf workaround makes sense to me, because it would seem to configure the bonding mode before the interface has slaves
• 170[01:02:56] <teatime> which is what ifenslave is failing at
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• 173[01:03:51] <metastable> My own configuration is identical to what I gave Pegasus_RPG.
• 174[01:04:06] <metastable> Device names and addresses aside.
• 175[01:04:27] <Pegasus_RPG> just for giggles, I'll straight copy-paste what metastable gave me
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• 177[01:05:10] <metastable> I can't imagine that having both 'auto bond0' and 'allow-hotplug bond0' would cause issues.
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• 183[01:07:19] <teatime> (stupid question) you don't have any other /etc/network/interfaces.d/* files, eh?
• 184[01:08:01] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: no
• 185[01:08:27] <Pegasus_RPG> Reloading the module puts this in the syslog: Could not generate persistent MAC address for bond0: No such file or directory
• 186[01:09:44] <Pegasus_RPG> Interestingly, trying to bring up bond0 right after reloading the modules does not give that slaves error. Instead it just shows RTNETLINK answers: Network is down
• 187[01:09:44] <Pegasus_RPG> ifup: failed to bring up bond0
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• 191[01:11:28] <Pegasus_RPG> Syslog looks good though, as the links on the slaves come up
• 192[01:11:30] <teatime> Pegasus_RPG: note that ifup has a -v option
• 193[01:11:40] <teatime> perhaps if you un-mark them as auto, reboot, and then try ifup -v bond0
• 194[01:11:45] <teatime> it will say something helpful
• 195[01:12:52] * Pegasus_RPG tries that
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• 200[01:16:08] <Pegasus_RPG> I just lists what it's doing with no errors except at the end with the RTNETLINK answers: Network is down
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• 202[01:16:26] <teatime> does the configuration it's claiming to be implementing match your config
• 203[01:16:31] <teatime> specifically the bonding mode
• 204[01:16:33] <wondiws> Pegasus_RPG, ip link set eth0 up?
• 205[01:16:58] <teatime> oh, also, the examples seem to have 'auto eth0' / 'auto eth1'
• 206[01:17:09] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: yes, it doesn't complain about that the first time after module loading.
• 207[01:17:13] <teatime> but that is kinda weird / seems like it shouldn't be necessary
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• 211[01:17:52] <teatime> Pegasus_RPG: does /proc/net/bonding/bond0 look correct?
• 212[01:17:54] <Pegasus_RPG> Yes, apparently Ethernet interface naming changed in Stretch. I have another box using bonding that I upgraded from Wheezy and that has no problems.
• 213[01:18:31] <teatime> well, I meant for you to sub in the appropriate device names
• 214[01:18:47] <Pegasus_RPG> wondiws: that brings up that interface and bond0 shows that it's up but it's not passing traffic
• 215[01:19:24] <Pegasus_RPG> It's possible I've thoroughly confused my switch though
• 216[01:19:38] <wondiws> could anyone of you try the "fritzing" package?
• 217[01:19:47] <wondiws> I'm using sid, and I have poor experience
• 218[01:20:13] <metastable> If the switch stops receiving LACPDUs from the LAG members, or if the link goes down, the port is treated as nonjoined for LACP purposes.
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• 220[01:20:16] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: ah gotcha
• 221[01:20:58] <HotBeefDip> so...I know the very basics of getting around in Linux and using the command line...looking where to go next to build my skills...I'm using a fresh install of the latest stable Debian...would the Debian reference guide's section on package management be a good/logical next step?
• 222[01:22:12] <Pegasus_RPG> HotBeefDip: I'd say so, as you'll need to use it to install any useful software.
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• 229[01:24:46] <HotBeefDip> I was gonna try to get deep into learning the bash shell and scripting, but I figured getting at least a basic understanding of the distro I'm using would be useful before I go to deep into CLI stuff...am I wrong?
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• 233[01:27:03] <teatime> HotBeefDip: I'd recommend about a 50/50 mix of quality debian documentation like the administrator's handbook, debian reference, and release notes, and then the other half basic-UNIX stuff, such as replaced-url
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• 235[01:28:55] <teatime> HotBeefDip: systemd is probably worth a deep-dive also.
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• 237[01:29:10] <HotBeefDip> awesome, thanks for the tips!
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• 240[01:32:23] <Pegasus_RPG> woah, my switch appears to definitely be confused. Packets are dropping on the LAn now
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• 256[01:49:29] <JohnA> what is the general feeling about wireguard vs other VPMs openpn et al)?
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• 260[01:50:58] <metastable> Wireguard does say on their website "WireGuard is not yet complete. You should not rely on this code."
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• 311[02:23:05] <aokfire> Hi. Recently was coping some files from one drive to another using rsync, and a set of errors occured: replaced-url
• 312[02:23:20] <aokfire> the files themselves seem fine. all data copied, nothing partial. Should I be concerned?
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• 314[02:24:31] <aokfire> The drive has no reallo sectors, 2 UDMA errors. EXT4, Debian 4.14.13-1~bpo9+1, rsync 3.1.2. thank you
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• 317[02:25:46] <JohnA> metastable, looks like openvpn then
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• 320[02:28:25] <metastable> JohnA: Consider ocserv.
• 321[02:29:01] <metastable> OpenVPN is great, I'm not saying otherwise. ocserv is also good.
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• 323[02:30:12] <JohnA> need yo run on a openwrt/lede device
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• 326[02:31:34] <metastable> Then why are you asking in #debian?
• 327[02:31:46] <metastable> Also, ocserv is available on OpenWRT, and I think LEDE as well.
• 328[02:32:18] <JohnA> because debian users have a better grasp of current software
• 329[02:32:39] <abrotman> there's a first for everything ...
• 330[02:32:41] <aokfire> ...
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• 332[02:32:52] <metastable> JohnA: That sounded better in your head, didn't it.
• 333[02:33:04] <metastable> JohnA: Non-Debian questions are offtopic in #debian. Have a nice day.
• 334[02:33:39] <aokfire> should I move my question elsewhere?
• 335[02:34:41] <teatime> aokfire: it's a fine question for here, although perhaps no one online has a good answer for you.
• 336[02:34:43] <metastable> aokfire: Yours looks like some kind of drive controller failure.
• 337[02:34:52] <metastable> aokfire: You're actually using Debian.
• 338[02:34:56] <aokfire> yes lol
• 339[02:35:10] <aokfire> so it's on the drive itself, not per the mobo controller nor SATA cable?
• 340[02:35:15] <aokfire> just trying to rule things out
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• 342[02:35:21] <metastable> aokfire: Well, it could be any of those.
• 343[02:35:30] <aokfire> it's only happened once
• 344[02:35:40] <aokfire> so far...
• 345[02:35:41] <metastable> aokfire: I've seen static discharge do that.
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• 347[02:35:52] <aokfire> the case is on carpet but I doubt that's the cause
• 348[02:35:53] <teatime> aokfire: until I resolved it, I would be rather concerned personally. but it perhaps doesn't look typical for a drive failure. Double-check the cables connecting it, and that you're not overloading your PSU. And run the SMART tests on the drive. back it up if it has valuable data. etc. etc.
• 349[02:35:56] <aokfire> but good to know
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• 351[02:36:10] <teatime> it could also just be a drive firmware bug, or linux bug
• 352[02:36:17] <aokfire> am currently writting backup from backup to this drive
• 353[02:36:21] <aokfire> i think
• 354[02:36:23] <aokfire> idk what drive it is
• 355[02:36:26] <aokfire> I can't tell
• 356[02:36:38] <metastable> aokfire: It could be anything between the disk and the controller on the board.
• 357[02:36:42] <aokfire> ata5.0 = sdd?
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• 359[02:37:51] <aokfire> I suppose I'll keep an eye on it then
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• 386[03:18:39] <metalbat97> what a command to make xfce as default environtment like in ubuntu dpkg-reconfigure ....?
• 387[03:18:52] <metalbat97> i dont find any result on google
• 388[03:19:44] <metalbat97> because my login default envi was lxde and no option for choosing any environtment installed on my debian
• 389[03:20:43] <mutante> metalbat97: dpkg-reconfigure is originally from debian, it exists the same as in Ubuntu
• 390[03:21:40] <metalbat97> mutante: so the command is? dpkg-reconfigure xfce?
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• 392[03:22:14] <mutante> i dont know, i am just responding to your "like in Ubuntu" part of the question so far
• 393[03:22:27] <mutante> assuming you know how it worked there
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• 395[03:22:44] <mutante> it should be the same
• 396[03:22:57] <metalbat97> ok i try it
• 397[03:23:44] <aindilis> anyone know the iptables command to forward connections received on 443 from a specific IP to 8888 and back, allowing traffic from other hosts through to 443?
• 398[03:23:47] <aindilis> this doesn't seem to work: /sbin/iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s 55.55.55.55/32 --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8888
• 399[03:23:51] <aindilis> /sbin/iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s 192.168.1.100/32 --dport 8888 -j REDIRECT --to-port 443
• 400[03:24:34] <mutante> seems mildly evil :)
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• 404[03:28:02] <abrotman> metalbat97: update-alternatives might be what you're looking for
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• 420[03:52:19] <teatime> aokfire: that seems like it should mostly work afaict; the /32 is redundant, it should be "--to-ports", although perhaps it accepts --to-port also, and I would think you only need the first rule, the second one is unneccessary and pretty broken (if I understand your goal correctly.)
• 421[03:52:37] <teatime> bah; he left. dumb idea anyway, I'd bet $20 it's an XY issue.
• 422[03:52:47] <aokfire> oof
• 423[03:52:51] <teatime> aokfire: sorry
• 424[03:52:55] <aokfire> i am not the dude you're looking for lol np
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• 445[04:07:57] <wr> best debian package as a GUI front end for qemu?
• 446[04:08:46] <annadane> er... i should know this
• 447[04:08:57] <teatime> random guess: virt-manager
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• 449[04:09:05] <annadane> yeah probably
• 450[04:09:36] <teatime> dunno if complicated to setup on debian or not
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• 454[04:11:16] <annadane> from experience it's not
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• 456[04:11:18] <annadane> it's quite intuitive
• 457[04:11:29] <annadane> and i guess RTFM :P
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• 460[04:13:24] <aokfire> cheers for the help. will watch the drive... carefully...
• 461[04:13:31] <aokfire> with a mag. glass
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• 574[05:19:50] <awal1> why with wicd I get wifi signal at 90% and nm around 70% ?
• 575[05:20:34] <teatime> probably just calculated/scaled differently
• 576[05:21:05] <awal1> possibly
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• 579[05:22:45] <awal1> I guess nm is "better" since major gnu/linux OS, if not all, uses nm by default
• 580[05:23:34] <teatime> you can try each, and look at some lower-level RSSI value
• 581[05:24:22] <awal1> i think connection is more "stable" using nm
• 582[05:24:29] <awal1> have to test more
• 583[05:25:16] <awal1> I have to reboot modem :P
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• 681[07:11:16] <mcint> I'm trying to uninstall phpmyadmin, but I'm getting failures in postrm on trying to remove it
• 682[07:11:18] <mcint> replaced-url
• 683[07:12:59] <RoyK> dpkg --purge the package
• 684[07:13:00] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up the package all over royk and rook2pawn...
• 685[07:13:04] <RoyK> should help
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• 688[07:15:52] <teatime> unless I'm mistaken
• 689[07:15:58] <teatime> that won't actually help the problem at all
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• 692[07:17:22] <teatime> but will probably delete some extra config files that --remove wouldn't and he might want to keep
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• 702[07:26:28] <somiaj> mcint: the error is in the prerm (preremove) script, not the postrm, and you can just comment out the ofending line or put exit 0 at the top. Note this means that the script won't clean up its credentials and access to your databases, and you may have to do that manually.
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• 764[08:16:28] <toolz> hi guys, what do you think about this smartctl test, is this drive dying? replaced-url
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• 777[08:22:49] <Rembo> hello, how can i update boost library from 1.55 to 1.56 on Debian 8 ?
• 778[08:23:11] <RoyK> ,v boost
• 779[08:23:12] <judd> No package named 'boost' was found in amd64.
• 780[08:23:26] <RoyK> ,v libboost
• 781[08:23:27] <judd> No package named 'libboost' was found in amd64.
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• 785[08:24:27] <RoyK> Rembo: usually there are no ways to upgrade a package to a newer one on stable
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• 787[08:25:24] <Rembo> RoyK, what shall i do, i need this new version of 1.56 for my code
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• 789[08:26:34] <ioc__> ,v libboost-graph1.62.0
• 790[08:26:35] <judd> Package: libboost-graph1.62.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.62.0+dfsg-4; buster: 1.62.0+dfsg-5; sid: 1.62.0+dfsg-5
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• 801[08:32:34] <RoyK> Rembo: then use a vm for it
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• 803[08:32:50] <nix64bit> local package i would imagine
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• 807[08:39:17] <Rembo> RoyK, can i compile in a vm with a new debian distribution and then use on my production server?
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• 809[08:40:13] <cory_> cross compile can be funky YMMV
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• 815[08:42:17] <yogg> Hi
• 816[08:42:38] <cory_> sup
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• 818[08:43:57] <yogg> I have a problem with dd and /dev/random. I try to get 256 random bytes with "dd if=/dev/random bs=256 count=1", but if /dev/random block (because of entropy) I get only 6 bytes back.
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• 820[08:44:54] <Niemi> hi to all. can someone guide me. how to sumbit a bug for debian testing in varnish package?
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• 822[08:45:22] <yogg> Should I not always get 256 bytes? Only how fast I get my data should change not the amount?
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• 826[08:46:33] <cory_> @yogg is this a part of some larger program?
• 827[08:47:04] <cory_> I mean, I just steer clear of /dev/random for anything important by default
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• 831[08:49:27] <alkisg> yogg: why not use /dev/urandom instead
• 832[08:49:35] <alkisg> yogg: or even bash'es $RANDOM
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• 835[08:51:46] <yogg> I found an explanation for the beahaviour. I wan't some good random bytes so /dev/random would be the better choice. But I think for my thest /dev/urandom is good enough
• 836[08:51:53] <yogg> replaced-url
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• 841[08:53:43] <alkisg> random is not very appropriate for programs, even for cryptography, unless it's about generating new keys etc, where you can tell the user "ok now hit some keys on your keyboard because I don't have enough entropy" :)
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• 849[08:59:26] <mz`> install haveged to produce entropy, yogg
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• 860[09:01:22] <yogg> I know about haveged, but my goal was to understand why dd don't give me 256 bytes. A echo "$(head -c 256 /dev/random | base64 -w 0)" does exactly what I need (it only takes some time)
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• 864[09:03:36] <pingfloyd> yogg: it makes sense to me
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• 869[09:05:14] <pingfloyd> /dev/random is blocking
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• 875[09:05:53] <pingfloyd> it may not have 256 bytes of randomness available in the moment where dd is reading a 256 byte block. The output probably gets truncated.
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• 884[09:10:54] <yogg> pingfloyd: I found the explanation on stackexchange (the link I posted). I thought if /dev/random is blocking then dd should also block, but it does not (it simply reads what is there and then stops the read)
• 885[09:11:09] <yogg> pingfloyd: so dd is simply the wrong tool for this job
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• 899[09:18:55] <alkisg> yogg: man dd, it has a nonblock parameter if you want it, but /dev/random is the wrong tool here, not dd
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• 905[09:23:11] <valdez> if dd reads 256 bytes and the entropy is not there, read() will block until all 256 bytes could be delivered
• 906[09:23:17] <valdez> so nothing gets truncated or whatnot
• 907[09:23:59] <alkisg> Hence the nonblock parameter
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• 909[09:25:44] <valdez> better just use urandom and have your stuff fully read and written
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• 911[09:26:00] <valdez> underreads/underwrites in dd context (in general) is a call for trouble
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• 921[09:31:18] <yogg> alkisg: valdez: ok I used dd wrong "dd if=/dev/random bs=256 count=1 iflag=fullblock | base64" does also what I need. So everything is ok
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• 929[09:33:39] <Bune> how is it used
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• 966[09:54:07] <rauno> hi
• 967[09:54:25] <bubba1> :-D
• 968[09:54:32] <rauno> with debian 8.9 does the cloud-init work with user meta-data volume ?=
• 969[09:54:46] <rauno> or is there something specific compared to 9.1 ?
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• 977[10:01:19] <HotBeefDip> I wanted to get the new Firefox on Stretch and found a guide online that walked me through editing sources.list to include the following lines:
• 978[10:01:20] <HotBeefDip> deb replaced-url
• 979[10:01:22] <HotBeefDip> deb-src replaced-url
• 980[10:02:05] <babilen> Yeah, you really don't want to do that
• 981[10:02:10] <HotBeefDip> I also had to do some apt pinning...it worked and now I have the new Firefox installed...but now I'm reading the guide on package management...does including sid mean I am now running on an unstable release?
• 982[10:02:18] <babilen> replaced-url
• 983[10:02:23] <HotBeefDip> well shit
• 984[10:02:38] <toruvinn> HotBeefDip, if you apt-get upgraded or installed packages from that, then yeah, you kinda are
• 985[10:02:46] <babilen> It essentially means that you are running some kind of weird FrankenDebian that's a mix of stable and unstable
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• 987[10:02:57] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: just download the latest tarball from mozilla and extract it under /opt/firefox
• 988[10:02:57] <babilen> dpkg: list repo
• 989[10:02:58] <dpkg> babilen: I wish you would RTFM.
• 990[10:03:15] <babilen> dpkg: list repositories
• 991[10:03:15] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
• 992[10:03:21] <toruvinn> Don't suffer from Shiny New Stuff Syndrome
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• 995[10:03:37] <toruvinn> n... noooo.....
• 996[10:03:39] <toruvinn> SHINY!
• 997[10:04:03] <babilen> HotBeefDip: You could take a look at what you pulled in with ^^ and *maybe* roll back, but you probably have to either run unstable now (see replaced-url
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• 999[10:04:13] <HotBeefDip> it's not so much about new/shiny...I can deal with old/stable...it's just that the new Firefox runs a shit ton faster than the ESR
• 1000[10:04:21] <babilen> That's SNS
• 1001[10:04:26] <babilen> judd: v firefox
• 1002[10:04:27] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1; experimental: 59.0~b4-1
• 1003[10:04:32] <pingfloyd> browser is a good candidate to run at the latest version
• 1004[10:04:37] <pingfloyd> but you're going about it all wrong
• 1005[10:05:12] <pingfloyd> apt-pinning and mixing with sid isn't a good direction to go, especially to solve this easy dilemma
• 1006[10:05:16] <babilen> There might be backports from mdn
• 1007[10:05:17] <HotBeefDip> I'll probably do a reinstall sometime soon...so, the best advice is to just build the new Firefox from the source?
• 1008[10:05:39] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: just download the tarball from mozilla and extract it to where you want to run it from
• 1009[10:05:55] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: if you just want a single to use to run it, extract somewhere under your $HOME
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• 1011[10:06:13] <pingfloyd> otherwise under /opt is an appropriate place if you want to available system-wide
• 1012[10:06:14] <bites> i think mdn stopped packaging firefox release for stable.
• 1013[10:06:25] <babilen> Yeah, just checked .. they no longer do it
• 1014[10:06:31] <HotBeefDip> I can do that...but that brings me to another n00b question...where is the most appropriate place for applications to live so they're available to all users of a system? is it /usr/bin?
• 1015[10:06:42] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: depends
• 1016[10:07:17] <bites> HotBeefDip: /opt with a symlink from /usr/local/bin/ for example
• 1017[10:07:19] <babilen> /opt for third-party binaries, /usr/local for locally installed (manage that with stow!), ...
• 1018[10:07:30] <babilen> Read "man hier"
• 1019[10:08:02] <pingfloyd> /opt is appropriate in the case of firefox because it uses a self-contained hierarchy for all of its associated files
• 1020[10:08:43] <pingfloyd> otherwise, in the case of most programs executables, libs, and misc files are split between hierarchies
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• 1022[10:09:47] <HotBeefDip> ok, I'll do a reinstall soon and manually install Firefox from source into /opt
• 1023[10:09:57] <HotBeefDip> thanks to all of you for the helpful advice
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• 1025[10:10:55] <HotBeefDip> babilen: I just read where you said they stopped packaging firefox for stable...so there's no way for me to install it manually from the mozilla site?
• 1026[10:11:00] <babilen> Might want to play with unstable before .. at least you get to experience that (after a full upgrade and installing apt-listbugs)
• 1027[10:11:10] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: there is still a good reason to stick with ESR though
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• 1029[10:11:21] <HotBeefDip> pingfloyd: which is?
• 1030[10:11:22] <babilen> HotBeefDip: No, Debian maintainers used to backports release/aurora/beta versions to stable
• 1031[10:11:35] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: Quantum requires a rewrite in extensions and some of your favorite addons may not be compatible
• 1032[10:11:55] <dokma> What could cause the `./miner 2>&1 | tee output.log` to produce no output when it produces lots of it without tee ?
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• 1036[10:12:09] <pingfloyd> if that's not the case, I'd go with the latest version like you want to do
• 1037[10:12:21] <dokma> Could the miner be detecting that it is being redirected and producing no output in response?
• 1038[10:12:21] <babilen> HotBeefDip: But these can no longer be provided as that would mean backporting the entire rust toolchain also
• 1039[10:12:33] <HotBeefDip> pingfloyd: I don't really need any...only things I really use are https everywhere and disconnect...but disconnect is baked into the browser now and https everywhere is up to date
• 1040[10:13:24] <pingfloyd> then I'd go with latest for all of the hmtl5 improvements
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• 1046[10:14:46] <HotBeefDip> so, if I'm gonna run unstable for a little while...would it be wise to avoid doing apt updates/upgrades?
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• 1048[10:15:57] <pingfloyd> no
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• 1050[10:16:27] <pingfloyd> that's the only way sid gets any kind of security updates
• 1051[10:16:49] <HotBeefDip> pingfloyd: oh duh, security updates...I forgot about those
• 1052[10:17:06] <pingfloyd> of course there's much less expectation for security in sid, but effort is still made.
• 1053[10:17:26] <pingfloyd> effort such as maintainers updating their packages to fix a security issue
• 1054[10:17:27] <HotBeefDip> do Linux distros typically push out security updates faster/more often than commercial OS's (OS X, Windows)?
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• 1056[10:18:06] <pingfloyd> some distros are lousy with security
• 1057[10:18:10] <pingfloyd> look at Mint
• 1058[10:18:29] <HotBeefDip> I almost installed Mint when I got ready to build a linux virtual machine
• 1059[10:18:31] <Kelsar> still no new clamav?
• 1060[10:18:34] <pingfloyd> it will hold back upstream (read ubuntu) security updates if there are conflicts with their own packages.
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• 1062[10:18:48] <pingfloyd> so they put higher priority on their own packages over security updates.
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• 1064[10:19:19] <pingfloyd> security should always be a first priority
• 1065[10:19:35] <HotBeefDip> I narrowed my decision down to Ubuntu, Debian, Mint and Elementary...chose Debian because it seemed like one of the furthest upstream and has such a huge dev community
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• 1080[10:22:56] <choice> Good Morning
• 1081[10:23:14] <choice> So yesterday you guys convinced me to switch from apt-get to apt....
• 1082[10:23:35] <choice> Today I got this: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libpci3 libspeechd2'
• 1083[10:23:42] <choice> "Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them."
• 1084[10:23:53] <choice> Should I use apt-get autoremove or apt autoremove now?
• 1085[10:24:06] <pingfloyd> choice: why did you switch to apt?
• 1086[10:24:29] <bites> i don't think there is a practical difference.
• 1087[10:24:57] <choice> pingfloyd: People here said its better. One example was that it will update the kernel while apt-get would need options set to do so.
• 1088[10:25:14] <pingfloyd> I don't see how it's better
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• 1091[10:25:20] <pingfloyd> it's a front-end
• 1092[10:25:26] <msn> never asks me questions except if there is config change
• 1093[10:25:31] <msn> i always use apt-get
• 1094[10:25:41] <msn> only benefit i see is that "progress"
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• 1096[10:25:55] <pingfloyd> apt-get updates the kernel for me without any problems
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• 1098[10:26:04] <choice> pingfloyd: As I said, one way it's "better" is that "apt upgrade" upgrades the kernel while "apt-get upgrade" just displays "the following ... have been kept back: ..."
• 1099[10:26:17] <msn> apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1100[10:26:19] <msn> does that
• 1101[10:26:19] <pingfloyd> use dist-upgrade when you have kept back packages
• 1102[10:26:32] <pingfloyd> dist-upgrade is there as a "safety"
• 1103[10:26:33] <msn> or use dist-upgrade if you want apt upgrade feature
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• 1105[10:26:49] <choice> msn: True. But that was just one example. Another one is that apt does not keep the downloaded packages on disk by default.
• 1106[10:27:00] <pingfloyd> dist-upgrade will allow apt to include removal of obsolete packages in dependency resolution to install the newer packags.
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• 1109[10:27:26] <msn> choice: you mean its absicaly QoL things
• 1110[10:27:31] <pingfloyd> choosing between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' is a feature
• 1111[10:27:36] <msn> apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get clean
• 1112[10:27:38] <choice> Hmm... there seems to be no 'apt autoremove'.
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• 1114[10:28:00] <bites> on stretch there is.
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• 1116[10:28:04] <pingfloyd> just do an apt-get --purge autoremove and be done with it
• 1117[10:28:10] <choice> msn: Yes. Thats the whole point of apt. It simplifies that.
• 1118[10:28:25] <choice> bites: What is stretch? Debian 9?
• 1119[10:28:30] <bites> yes
• 1120[10:28:36] <choice> bites: I'm on 8.
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• 1122[10:29:00] <bites> then apt-get autoremove ^^
• 1123[10:29:05] <choice> :)
• 1124[10:29:29] <choice> I wonder why it doesn't automatically remove unused packages.
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• 1126[10:29:30] <pingfloyd> why don't you want to stick to using the apt suite directly?
• 1127[10:29:40] <choice> When you install new ones that need them, it will re-install them anyhow.
• 1128[10:29:43] <pingfloyd> sounds like you're already used to it
• 1129[10:29:47] <pingfloyd> why add training wheels
• 1130[10:30:12] <choice> pingfloyd: Why did Debian add apt if it's not an improvement?
• 1131[10:30:24] <pingfloyd> choice: why did they add aptitude?
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• 1133[10:30:34] <pingfloyd> why did someone make synaptic?
• 1134[10:30:34] <choice> pingfloyd: I have no idea. I never looked into it.
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• 1136[10:31:01] <bites> just use what you want to. it's not that big of a deal.
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• 1138[10:31:35] <pingfloyd> anyway, looks like your version of apt doesn't cover autoremove so you're back to using apt-get for the autoremove feature.
• 1139[10:31:35] <bites> and aptitude very much has its place too.
• 1140[10:32:06] <choice> bites: What is it?
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• 1143[10:32:38] <pingfloyd> I can see the TUI of aptitude saving you some time in certain scenarios
• 1144[10:32:40] <bites> aptitude has a somewhat smarter dependency resolve algo and a useful search syntax.
• 1145[10:32:57] <pingfloyd> like when you've got a big dependency snafu on your hands
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• 1147[10:33:19] <choice> I don't think I ever had such a snafu.
• 1148[10:33:23] <pingfloyd> and you're trying to figure out which package is setting it all off
• 1149[10:33:32] <bites> then don't worry about it.
• 1150[10:33:33] <pingfloyd> choice: get used such snafus if you use unstable
• 1151[10:33:45] <choice> apt-get has been working fine for me for 18 years now.
• 1152[10:33:58] <pingfloyd> you shouldn't run into them with stable assuming no pebcak involved.
• 1153[10:34:09] <pingfloyd> if you do, you can consider them bugs that should be fixed.
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• 1159[10:37:36] <msn> i been using testing for about 10 yrs now
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• 1161[10:37:52] <msn> never ran into a dependancy snafu not resolvable
• 1162[10:38:25] <f31n> hi, i'm running into follwing issue i'm to stupid to find in google ^^ - i use for multiple server i'm connecting with an ssh cert, now that i just wanted to change to lxde i figure that all the file browsers are ignoring my ssh-add command and ask for passwords, and not taking the cert thats already added... can you tell me how to resolve that issue?
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• 1171[10:45:50] <rant> f31n: your description is a bit vague and ambiguous. ssh is a secure shell and typically has nothing to do with file browsers, and there are dozens of file browsers. also ssh deals with keys not certs.. so.. at best I can assume you're using sshfs to access a remote filesystem and having some sort of issue with a key.. and that may be entirely wrong
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• 1183[10:55:24] <Kelsar> rant: ssh can use certs too
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• 1188[10:56:01] <Kelsar> f31n: did you ssh-agent start before your desktop started? otherwise they won't have the needed env variables to use it
• 1189[10:56:13] <SanchoPensa> hi
• 1190[10:56:19] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys!
• 1191[10:56:31] <SanchoPensa> so, another day, another üpro
• 1192[10:56:37] <SanchoPensa> problem..
• 1193[10:57:48] <SanchoPensa> since yesterday, i got the computer back up and runnign, drives are mapped, as desired, and ther eis a debian 9.3 version on the harddisk, id DOES actually boot, but to what point, I can't exactly tell, as the screen goes black.
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• 1195[10:58:25] <SanchoPensa> quod erat expectandum... or in other words, what I had already suspected yesterday, when the live DVD wouldn't work.
• 1196[10:58:37] <SanchoPensa> guys... how do I get my graphics back, please?
• 1197[10:59:10] <SanchoPensa> if i remember it correctly, it was a fx460
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• 1200[11:01:06] <f31n> Kelsar: yes i added the ssh-agent to the autostart of lxde if that is what you mean
• 1201[11:01:35] <Kelsar> f31n: dunno if that is enough
• 1202[11:01:53] <Kelsar> plasma has special startup file just for those cases, dunno about lxde
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• 1204[11:02:24] <f31n> can you send me a link to that file? i'll look into that
• 1205[11:03:01] <Kelsar> /etc/plasma/ something, it is executed before kwin and plasma itself start
• 1206[11:03:09] <Kelsar> like xinitrc
• 1207[11:03:17] <SanchoPensa> babilen: u there, bro?
• 1208[11:03:28] <f31n> rant: what i try to do is sftp:// to a server that has only a cert access and not an password one
• 1209[11:03:39] <Kelsar> cert or key?
• 1210[11:03:46] <Kelsar> those are different
• 1211[11:04:22] <rant> with completely different set of problems
• 1212[11:04:38] <Kelsar> and usually you use public key access, certs are usually only used in bigger company structures
• 1213[11:04:46] <rant> a cert can fail to work just because your timezone/date/etc is wrong
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• 1215[11:05:11] <SanchoPensa> rant: yes, it can
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• 1217[11:05:32] <Kelsar> anyways gotta go
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• 1219[11:07:34] <f31n> sorry, its wrong in my vocabulary, ssh key-based auth is what i'm using
• 1220[11:08:45] <rant> f31n: and have you verified your key manually on the commandline, ruling out something unrelated to the filemanager or ssh-agent?
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• 1223[11:09:18] <f31n> so i'm used from gnome / mate that wenn i do a ssh-add on the terminal, the file browser (doesn't matter which) just loggs me into that server, but here it doesn't
• 1224[11:09:40] <f31n> yes i did, i used ssh to connect to the server
• 1225[11:09:51] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Just ask your question ... I will answer if I'm there (let alone know it)
• 1226[11:09:51] <f31n> the shell, is connecting as it should
• 1227[11:10:03] <rant> and you checked to make sure that ssh-agent is running?
• 1228[11:10:14] <f31n> yes
• 1229[11:10:46] <rant> because if the key works and ssh-agent is running then it does seem like it matters which file browser because for whatever reason whichever one isnt working isnt talking to ssh-agent
• 1230[11:11:03] <rant> how they do that or even if they do that, depends on what filemanager it is
• 1231[11:12:06] <rant> this is kinda a dumb questoin but are you absolutely sure that the file browser and ssh-agent are all running as the same user who owns the key?
• 1232[11:12:09] <f31n> thats what i guessed so too, but neither caja (which is working fine in mate), nor pcmanfm, nor files is working and that looks like strange forme
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• 1234[11:14:04] <f31n> i just opened from a terminal where i connected via ssh to a server (and it worked), caja, and caja has no access to the key
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• 1246[11:21:13] <f31n> the most frustrating thing on that is, when i relog to mate or gnome, its working as it should - but its not working on lxde or xfce
• 1247[11:21:47] <f31n> so i guess there is something missing on the lightwight desktop manager
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• 1249[11:22:12] <rant> all you should need is a keyring manager, the simplest form of which is ssh-agent
• 1250[11:22:30] * rant tests this out
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• 1253[11:25:41] <rant> well I just logged out and logged in using just sawfish and started caja and was able to sftp:// from caja to this host
• 1254[11:26:01] <rant> I'm using lightdm.. I didnt even make any attempt to setup or start ssh-agent
• 1255[11:26:39] * rant tries again without lightdm
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• 1259[11:29:56] <rant> odd.. I can't seem to start X without lightdm :P
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• 1264[11:33:14] <rant> in any case I can't seem to reproduce the issue.. for me caja fires up gnome-keyring and all those other things like gvfsd
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• 1270[11:38:27] <rant> actually now that I've logged out, slayed my user and logged back in I see its starting gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login when I login via lightdm to sawfish
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• 1272[11:38:46] <rant> so that may be the only difference between our setups is that I'm running the keyring daemon
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• 1277[11:40:00] <rant> no, even when I kill gnome-keyring-daemon it still works :P
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• 1283[11:41:11] <rant> and I didn't setup crap.. I just did ssh-keygen, then copied my id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. I made no attempts to start ssh-agent, or use ssh-add
• 1284[11:41:21] <rant> I'm TRYING to break this and unable to do so :P
• 1285[11:43:11] <rant> hell, even when I kill ssh-agent and start caja it still works :P
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• 1292[11:45:36] <rant> yeah idk.. I can't make it not work here.. I've closed mate, ssh-agent, gnome-keyring-daemon, my ssh connection to this host, slayed my user, started X with only sawfish and launched caja and it still works
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• 1296[11:46:31] <SanchoPensa> babilen: do you remember, when I said yesterda, that I have the suspicion, that my graphics adapter is too opld for debian 9? I am afraid, I was right.
• 1297[11:46:31] <SanchoPensa> I get qa black screedn with a "no signal" right after the boot sequence...
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• 1299[11:47:03] <babilen> That could have ten million reasons
• 1300[11:47:17] <babilen> You might want to ensure that whatever driver/module you use is properly installed and configured
• 1301[11:47:38] <cheapie> FWIW, I have the same issue on all of the computers here with the i810 chipset, but I haven't bothered to try to fix those yet :P
• 1302[11:47:55] <SanchoPensa> babilen: I reinstalled all of debian during the night.
• 1303[11:48:14] <cheapie> wheezy and older works fine on them, jessie and up runs in text mode fine but X provides no video output.
• 1304[11:48:26] <SanchoPensa> i changed the orde of the hard disks physically, by pluging this hdd there, and so on.
• 1305[11:48:41] <SanchoPensa> then i adapted the order int he bios accordingly
• 1306[11:48:57] <SanchoPensa> put my current os hdd as sda1
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• 1308[11:49:20] <SanchoPensa> reinstalled.
• 1309[11:49:20] <SanchoPensa> and bamm.
• 1310[11:49:20] <SanchoPensa> black screen.
• 1311[11:49:26] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 1314[11:50:10] <tobiasBora> I would like to know what's the current state of the meltdown & spectre vulnerabilities
• 1315[11:50:17] <SanchoPensa> babilen: so, that driver module, that i installed, is the one,t hat a fresh debian installation ships with.
• 1316[11:50:50] <babilen> I have no idea what you installed, what your graphic card is or why it's not working right now
• 1317[11:51:12] <tobiasBora> I just ran the test to see if my computer is vulnerable, and it's not vulnerable to meltdown, but he is vulnerable to both versions of spectre
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• 1319[11:51:43] <SanchoPensa> babilen: look, man, I do not mean to privatize you, but since you successfully helped me yesterday, and are familiar with my problem history..
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• 1321[11:52:27] <SanchoPensa> babilen: it is an nvidia fx460 adapter, if I recall that correctly, i would like to execute a lshw, leider, you know...
• 1322[11:52:46] <babilen> Well .. why don't you ask the channel, provide some information (along the lines of "I have this GPU ...", "I installed ...", "Output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" is ...", ....)]#
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• 1325[11:54:16] <SanchoPensa> babilen: dude... how am i gonna execute that, with a black monitor...?
• 1326[11:54:16] <SanchoPensa> I'll be booting a rescue conmsole, brb
• 1327[11:54:21] <rant> tobiasBora: replaced-url
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• 1331[11:55:32] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Did you install any nvidia drivers?
• 1332[11:56:38] <SanchoPensa> babilen: no
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• 1334[11:57:10] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i did a debian standard installation from the version, that i downloaded form the debain home pag yesterday
• 1335[11:57:20] <babilen> Okay
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• 1337[11:57:47] <SanchoPensa> babilen: it wasnt wquit ethe standard stasnd dard debian version, bus the firmware version
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• 1340[11:58:19] <SanchoPensa> i hoped to avoid exactly the sitatuation that i am in by doing so.
• 1341[11:58:29] <babilen> That's okay .. it only differs in that it includes firmware (which is good in many cases)
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• 1343[11:58:59] <tobiasBora> rant: I'm not sure to understand why there are linux AND nvidia driver. This vulnerability also applies to nvidia cards? And also I don't see anything in linux, does that mean that for now there is no solution for spectre on Linux ?
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• 1345[11:59:22] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what i thouhgt... unfortunately no happy end so far for me... :)
• 1346[11:59:36] <babilen> tobiasBora: Intel is letting customers run their tests .. See replaced-url
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• 1348[11:59:59] <babilen> "We also continue to release beta microcode updates so that customers and partners have the opportunity to conduct extensive testing before we move them into production."
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• 1350[12:00:07] <babilen> (cf. replaced-url
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• 1354[12:00:27] <babilen> I'd have hoped that *they* run tests, before *we* move it to production
• 1355[12:00:45] <rant> tobiasBora: there is no solution for spectre at all on anything..
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• 1358[12:02:04] <tobiasBora> babilen: ok thanks. But I heard that Linux deployed an inneficient solution that basically consists in loading/unloading all the kernel variables at each system interruption (sorry I'm not using the good technical terms, I'm not familiar at all with these notions), isn't it still the case?
• 1359[12:02:23] <babilen> There is that, yes
• 1360[12:02:35] <babilen> It's still not finalised AFAIK
• 1361[12:02:38] <Martin_vW> A few minutes ago, I ran dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc on a server, and it asked my if I want to overwrite my local changes to /etc/default/grub. I looked at the diff but afterwards accidentally pressed return, and thereby I answered "no, keep my local changes". Now dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc will not ask this question again. How do I get it to ask the question again?
• 1362[12:02:41] <SanchoPensa> babilen: says nvidia gf104 [GeForce GTX 460] [ 10de:0e22], vev1
• 1363[12:02:52] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Cool, thanks
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• 1365[12:03:07] <tobiasBora> babilen: ok thanks. Do you know if somehow the user can disable it if for example he fixed the microcode?
• 1366[12:03:12] <SanchoPensa> me too!
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• 1368[12:04:11] <babilen> SanchoPensa: replaced-url
• 1369[12:04:24] <babilen> SanchoPensa: We'd have to figure out which driver version supports your card first though
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• 1371[12:04:43] <babilen> Is that a laptop or anything else that might use Optimus?
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• 1373[12:05:17] <SanchoPensa> babilen: should I have somehow "adressed" my graphics drive during installation somewhere?
• 1374[12:05:20] <babilen> judd: v nvidia-driver
• 1375[12:05:21] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1
• 1376[12:05:22] <SanchoPensa> i mean, can i even?
• 1377[12:05:33] <SanchoPensa> babilen: nope, it is a
• 1378[12:05:38] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1379[12:05:57] <babilen> dpkg: nvidia dkms
• 1380[12:05:57] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 1381[12:06:01] <SanchoPensa> n ordinary pc, it is only a laptop, that i am currently writing fdrom, as my pc is obviously in limbo...
• 1382[12:06:26] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 1385[12:07:13] <SanchoPensa> hmmm... i will loook into this, thank you so far!
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• 1388[12:08:13] <SanchoPensa> babilen: can i do all that in chroot?
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• 1392[12:10:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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• 1398[12:14:18] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Should work, yeah
• 1399[12:14:35] <babilen> dpkg: fixmbr
• 1400[12:14:36] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 1401[12:15:04] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Just make sure you chroot completely ^^
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• 1403[12:16:03] <iateadonut> hi. i've got phpmyadmin tunnelling through ssh to 127.0.0.1:port - can i put in my pword even though i'm not using ssl since i'm tunneling?
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• 1406[12:18:57] <antoszka> iateadonut: yes
• 1407[12:19:21] <antoszka> though I can't say phpmyadmin is good practice anyway
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• 1411[12:21:55] <debuser> I installed i3 with media sound hotkey configured like replaced-url
• 1412[12:22:13] <debuser> now how can i enable display of volume sound icon when pressing hotkey?
• 1413[12:22:49] <debuser> for instance pressing f2 lowering sound volume, screen will display icon with sound volume 'decreasing'
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• 1415[12:23:48] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what the nheck do you mean by "completely"?
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• 1417[12:24:05] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Mount proc/sysfs/...
• 1418[12:24:39] <SanchoPensa> babilen: aparently debians rfescue console does that automagically, cos last time i checked, they were there!
• 1419[12:24:47] <SanchoPensa> yay! :)
• 1420[12:25:06] <SanchoPensa> but thanks for the hint anyways!
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• 1424[12:26:18] <iateadonut> antoszka, then i will rephrase: "my dummy designer coworker refuses to learn the mysql command line..."
• 1425[12:26:44] <antoszka> iateadonut: heh, yeah, that's the usual problem. you should be good with ssh tunneling end-to-end
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• 1431[12:31:54] <ArsenArsen> How do I find out what driver packages I need?
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• 1435[12:34:43] <toruvinn> any idea how i can get execve() logging like grsec used to do? with parent's pid and argv data?
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• 1441[12:37:49] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i am trying to do it, but when i want to apt update, i get a bnunch of errors, that the links in sources. löist cannot be resolved.
• 1442[12:37:57] <SanchoPensa> i can ping my gateway though
• 1443[12:38:12] <SanchoPensa> no name resolution in other words... what do i do?
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• 1446[12:40:04] <bites> SanchoPensa: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf ? check that there is a sensible nameserver like your router or "nameserver 8.8.8.8" are you not using dhcp? can you ping 8.8.8.8?
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• 1448[12:41:15] <antoszka> debuser: you'd need some daemon like the one that's integrated in gnome (but not pulling in most of gnome), TBH nothing comes to mind, though you might get some dzen2 or other notifier integrations
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• 1450[12:41:25] <toruvinn> oh, jessie-backports has a grsec kernel. let's see.
• 1451[12:41:26] <antoszka> debuser: I'll be curious myself if you find something
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• 1454[12:42:22] <babilen> judd: v linux-patch-grsecurity2
• 1455[12:42:23] <judd> Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; jessie: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; buster: 3.1+4.9.11-201702181444-1; sid: 3.1+4.9.11-201702181444-1
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• 1461[12:45:25] <SanchoPensa> babilen: yes i can ping 8.8.8.8, and yes, i ckecked to use dhcp during the invocation of the rescue console
• 1462[12:46:11] <SanchoPensa> babilen: believe it or not, i do not have an /etc/resolv.conf...
• 1463[12:46:26] <babilen> Ah ha!
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• 1466[12:46:45] <SanchoPensa> could that be related to iproute2?
• 1467[12:47:03] <SanchoPensa> :D
• 1468[12:47:04] <babilen> You should have /etc/resolv.conf
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• 1470[12:47:23] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what does the fact, that i dont have one tell us?
• 1471[12:47:35] <babilen> That you should sort that out
• 1472[12:48:07] <SanchoPensa> HAHAHA, i see!
• 1473[12:48:29] <debuser> antoszka: thanks. i will check that and reply back if i find any!
• 1474[12:48:47] <antoszka> thx, too
• 1475[12:49:35] <antoszka> debuser: I googled for a while, but found nothing with visual feedback, you can easily plug the media-keys to the 'pactl' program, but that won't display anything.
• 1476[12:50:27] <SanchoPensa> babilen: ok, i found the resolv.cnf, and it pints to /var/run/Networkmanager/resolv.conf
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• 1487[12:54:37] <babilen> SanchoPensa: So, what's in there?
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• 1496[12:58:09] <SanchoPensa> babilen: nothing
• 1497[12:58:14] <SanchoPensa> very spooky..
• 1498[12:58:26] <SanchoPensa> when i try to open it, it says, it doesnt exist
• 1499[12:58:32] <SanchoPensa> but ls -l finds it
• 1500[12:58:37] <SanchoPensa> very, very spooky
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• 1513[13:04:45] <babilen> I'd recommend configuring /etc/resolv.conf
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• 1521[13:07:17] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help with this? replaced-url
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• 1525[13:12:50] <fosstux> Hi! I'm having problems getting my Samba access working. When I try to locally connect with the following command: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER
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• 1527[13:13:10] <fosstux> all I get is session setup failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER
• 1528[13:13:11] <Rembo> what is the latest gcc version for debian 8 ?
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• 1530[13:13:49] <fosstux> FYI: I've been using GADMIN-SAMBA for setting up.
• 1531[13:13:55] <fosstux> Please help!
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• 1533[13:14:10] <teatime> Rembo: you can find out at packages.debian.org or (if you know how) one of these bots
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• 1535[13:14:25] <teatime> dpkg: tell hexhaxtron about ubuntu
• 1536[13:15:06] <hexhaxtron> teatime: the Debian pastebin was considering it spam...
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• 1541[13:16:27] <teatime> forgive me
• 1542[13:16:48] <teatime> force of habit :)
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• 1546[13:20:24] <teatime> hexhaxtron: the code you're trying to compile appears to need updating for compatibility with openssl 1.1.x
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• 1556[13:26:57] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i cannot open that file, as it says, doesnt exist.
• 1557[13:27:08] <SanchoPensa> i cannot create that file, as it says, it doesnt exist
• 1558[13:27:14] <SanchoPensa> but i can list that wfile
• 1559[13:27:19] <SanchoPensa> with ls -l
• 1560[13:27:25] <SanchoPensa> what the hell?!?
• 1561[13:27:27] <bites> remove the symlink, create a new file.
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• 1563[13:28:17] <Oki_> WHO
• 1564[13:28:35] <bites> wasn't me.
• 1565[13:28:47] <SanchoPensa> eureka! thsanks bites!
• 1566[13:29:17] <Oki_> QUIT
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• 1580[13:40:44] <SanchoPensa> ok, babilen, my friend, we are two steps further: install of the nvidia driver was finally successfull, but i do get an all white screeen, sayin, oops, something went wrong, please log out and try again. tty 2 works, though
• 1581[13:41:14] <SanchoPensa> so, i am looking at the xorg logs right now, i guess, i will need some sort of xorg conf, does that still exist?
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• 1587[13:43:19] <g0zzy> Getting "mmc0: error -123 whilst initialising SD card". Another machine reads it OK. Is it a hardware error or an OS one do you think?
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• 1589[13:44:35] <SanchoPensa> babilen: whts module "nv"? its missing..
• 1590[13:45:50] <teatime> 2d-only open-source driver for nvidia gpus
• 1591[13:46:05] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: don't worry about nv, nv is the old open nvidia driver that no one uses anymore. The two main ones are nouveau as the open driver and nvidia as the closed soucre driver.
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• 1593[13:46:30] <teatime> g0zzy: that error seems to be "No medium found"... is sdcard seated all the way? in backwards? etc.
• 1594[13:46:51] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: thanks, there, nouveau is installed and loaded
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• 1596[13:47:19] <SanchoPensa> other thatn that, i can see a gazillion of ranges, like vsiincs and hsyncs, and what not
• 1597[13:47:29] <SanchoPensa> but no error so far...
• 1598[13:47:57] <g0zzy> teatime: Yes, i've chivvied it in many different ways while tailing syslog. Nothing
• 1599[13:48:00] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: You are trying to use the nvidia closed source driver?
• 1600[13:48:51] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i just folloewd this procedure:
• 1601[13:48:51] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
• 1602[13:48:54] <g0zzy> I might try it under some live BSD. I'm beginning to lose confidence in Debian
• 1603[13:49:05] <teatime> heh.
• 1604[13:49:17] <SanchoPensa> and it appears, that 1400x1020 is my highest resulution currently...
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• 1606[13:50:36] <SanchoPensa> aha... failed to initialize GLX extension, compatible NVIDIA X driver not found
• 1607[13:50:39] <SanchoPensa> huh? :D
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• 1609[13:51:06] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: lsmod | grep nvidia (did the nvidia modules load)? What nvidia card do you have?
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• 1611[13:52:02] <somiaj> g0zzy: could it be issues with the cardreader's compadability with the linux kernel?
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• 1613[13:52:12] <onyx> hi ;) winter is coming ^^
• 1614[13:52:13] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: it is a GTX460, pretty ancient, i know...
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• 1617[13:52:40] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: that isn't too acient, but older cards need older drivers sometimes. One second.
• 1618[13:52:47] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: and the weird thing is, X server's log just ends somewhere in the middle. just like that
• 1619[13:53:12] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i know, bro, thanks, and thats the reason, why i followed that procedure on that page.
• 1620[13:53:16] <SanchoPensa> first of which
• 1621[13:53:27] <onyx> how can load lvm2 and luks module in initramfs for mykernel?
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• 1625[13:54:28] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: and nope, lsmod | grep nvidia doe not return a result, ie. not loaded. strange.
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• 1628[13:55:02] <g0zzy> somiaj: I certainly hope not ;)
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• 1630[13:55:13] <onyx> hi
• 1631[13:55:15] <teatime> onyx: they should get included automatically during `sudo update-initramfs` whenever they're needed
• 1632[13:55:31] <onyx> helloteatime
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• 1634[13:56:08] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: the gtx 460 seems to be supported by the driver. So you said you installed the linux-headers and nvidia packages. Can you give the output of 'dpkg -l | grep linux-headers' and 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' at paste.debian.net
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• 1639[13:57:06] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: oh boy... yes, i will type them into pastebin, ill report back, when i am done, just a few moments, please...
• 1640[13:57:37] <g0zzy> I mean this card read fine on this Thinkpad until today
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• 1644[13:59:04] <somiaj> g0zzy: so it read fine in debian using the same reader and it stopped working today? Have you tried it in another machine since it stopped working?
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• 1646[13:59:25] <onyx> ok i ll try
• 1647[13:59:30] <g0zzy> Yes. Another box (also Debian) reads it fine
• 1648[13:59:46] <g0zzy> (though it needed a dos fsck)
• 1649[14:00:07] <somiaj> g0zzy: do you have another card you can test in that reader, make sure the reader didn't go bad? Did you update the kernel on that thinkpad since the last time it worked?
• 1650[14:00:34] <bitess> SanchoPensa: you can use pastebinit or something like ls | nc termbin.com 9999 to pastebin something from the command line.
• 1651[14:00:38] <onyx> @teatime thanks may my kernel compilation way need somme extra module :)
• 1652[14:00:47] <g0zzy> Yes. I've got one in front of me with RPi on it. I'll see what happens
• 1653[14:01:44] <g0zzy> Not looking good: "mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data, sector 272, nr 128, cmd response 0x900, card status 0xb00"
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• 1655[14:02:06] <somiaj> g0zzy: so in this case either the reader is going bad or something changed with your kernel.
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• 1657[14:02:19] <somiaj> g0zzy: at least that is what the test says to me.
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• 1659[14:02:55] <g0zzy> Well it does mount actually
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• 1662[14:04:14] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: here we go: replaced-url
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• 1664[14:05:04] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: and the dpkg -l | grep nvidia (what nvidia packages do you have installed). And uname -a, double check you are running the 4.9.0-5-amd64 kernel.
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• 1666[14:05:09] <g0zzy> Well thanks guys. I'll keep an eye and see if i can home in on whether the card reader's really gone off
• 1667[14:05:18] <somiaj> g0zzy: well bad hardware can cause buggy results.
• 1668[14:05:24] <teatime> g0zzy: what kernel version?
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• 1670[14:05:31] <teatime> oh, sorry, was scrolled up.
• 1671[14:05:31] <debuser> antoszka: come across volnoti - replaced-url
• 1672[14:05:33] <somiaj> (or yea, it could be a kernel change)
• 1673[14:05:34] <g0zzy> Linux t410 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1675[14:05:56] <debuser> it basically works as expected.
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• 1677[14:06:00] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i have like 10.000 nvidia tnings ionstalled...
• 1678[14:06:32] <somiaj> g0zzy: hmm, that would be a weird regression to have the newer kernel cause this, you may have the old 4.9.0-4 kernel still installed, you could boot into and see if this is a regression issue.
• 1679[14:06:38] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: version generally seems to be 375.82-1~deb9u1
• 1680[14:06:56] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: do you have one of the form nvidia-kernel-dkms?
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• 1683[14:07:25] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: as described before, i have all of it exclusivley through apt
• 1684[14:07:27] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: and have your rebooted since you installed these packages.
• 1685[14:07:32] <SanchoPensa> yes
• 1686[14:07:40] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: yea, I'm just double checking things, to try to figure out what isn't working.
• 1687[14:07:46] <SanchoPensa> as described, it rebootesd me into this white screen
• 1688[14:07:47] <g0zzy> Yes, i could look into that
• 1689[14:07:47] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: lsmod | grep nouveau (is the nouveau module loaded)?
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• 1692[14:08:02] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: yes, i am following, thsank you m8!
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• 1694[14:08:28] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: nope, not either
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• 1696[14:08:51] <teatime> g0zzy: after you check into that, remember backports kernel is an option for you to try, if suitable.
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• 1698[14:09:07] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: dmesg | grep -i nvidia (do you see any errors regarging trying to load the nvidia module)?
• 1699[14:09:10] <g0zzy> Though i've had a lot of weird problems recently such as my scroll wheel not scrolling always.
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• 1703[14:09:19] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: gimme a sec
• 1704[14:09:23] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: take your time
• 1705[14:09:40] <SanchoPensa> , please, i was just audacious to modprobe nouveau, and now i got black scfreen again... :D
• 1706[14:10:06] <SanchoPensa> woha
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• 1708[14:10:23] <SanchoPensa> i crashed the whole os, i need to reboot, sec, pls...
• 1709[14:10:25] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: well I would have suggested trying to modprobe nvidia to try to see if we can track down why the module isn't loading.
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• 1711[14:10:28] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: take your time
• 1712[14:10:33] <g0zzy> Backports, yes. Thanks
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• 1714[14:11:10] <teatime> dpkg: tell g0zzy about stretch-backports
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• 1716[14:11:23] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: nvidia isnt there, man...
• 1717[14:11:41] <SanchoPensa> ok, im back
• 1718[14:11:54] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: what do you mean? You mean you get no output from 'dmesg | grep -i nvidia'? After the machine boots, try to manually load the nvidia module, 'modprobe nvidia'
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• 1722[14:13:17] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i mean, whe i tried that previously, it returned, no such module
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• 1724[14:13:40] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: okay, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms (look for any errors in building of the module)
• 1725[14:14:28] <SanchoPensa> now, dmesg | grep envidia retuns: input HDA NVidia HDMI/DP, pcm=3 and that runs through 7, 8 and 9 too as /devices/pci, and then comes a lot of binary
• 1726[14:15:14] <pos> SanchoPensa, cervantes+expanse?
• 1727[14:15:21] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: I htink I would have to see the whole output to make sense of that. But if the module wasn't found, we should see what happens when we try to build it.
• 1728[14:15:40] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: nono, different error this time! :D
• 1729[14:15:47] <SanchoPensa> looks like this, sec pls:
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• 1734[14:16:56] <SanchoPensa> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64
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• 1736[14:17:20] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: uname -a, what kernel are you actually running?
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• 1738[14:17:28] <linurandy> hello to everyone, how do i push my nvidia card as default and not my graphic intel?
• 1739[14:17:42] <SanchoPensa> modprobe: ERROR: ..//libkmod-module.c_977 command_do() Error running install command for nvidia
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• 1741[14:18:12] <SanchoPensa> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Operation not permitted
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• 1743[14:18:33] <BluesKaj> linurandy, is this a laptop with an Otptimus hybrid gpu system ?
• 1744[14:18:47] <BluesKaj> Optimus
• 1745[14:18:48] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: it looks like we have found the issue, seems you are still running the old 4.9.0-4-amd64 kernel. And you need to upgrade to the newest kernel, 4.9.0-5-amd64. My guess now is this, 'apt install linux-image-amd64' will fix your problem.
• 1746[14:18:55] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: uname -a retunrs 4.9.0-4-amd64
• 1747[14:18:55] <pos> SanchoPensa, modprobe must be done as su/sudo
• 1748[14:19:10] <linurandy> yeap is a Asus VivoBook with Nvidia GEFORGE MX150
• 1749[14:19:15] <SanchoPensa> Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1
• 1750[14:19:43] <SanchoPensa> pos: i am logged in as root, i am on tty2
• 1751[14:19:46] <linurandy> i had upgrade it to stretch-backports for he drivers
• 1752[14:19:49] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: yup, that is it, your kernel is outdated, get the current kernel.
• 1753[14:20:15] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: how the hjeck can it be outdated, whe i downloaded that DVD set only yesterday? :D
• 1754[14:20:15] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: in this case you missed an important security update and odn't have the most current kernel running.
• 1755[14:20:25] <SanchoPensa> iseee...
• 1756[14:20:27] <SanchoPensa> lulz
• 1757[14:20:33] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: the security patch to fix meltdown came out after the dvd's were made.
• 1758[14:20:37] <SanchoPensa> one moment, pleasxe
• 1759[14:20:46] <SanchoPensa> oh boy...
• 1760[14:20:50] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: one should usually make sure to upgrade all packages after download, but this should most likely fix your problem, thanks for being paitent.
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• 1762[14:21:02] <linurandy> BluesKaj: yeap is a Asus VivoBook with Nvidia GEFORGE MX150 i had upgrade it to stretch-backports for he drivers
• 1763[14:21:04] <SanchoPensa> was that the intel cpu backdoor?
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• 1765[14:21:31] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i havent precisely had a chance to do any updates yet... :D
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• 1767[14:21:48] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: correct.
• 1768[14:21:50] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: and thanks for YOUR patience and assistance too, bro, appretiate it!
• 1769[14:22:04] <SanchoPensa> i see, thanks
• 1770[14:23:23] <BluesKaj> linurandy, not sure, but you might have a disable the tntel gpu option in your uefi/bios graphics settings
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• 1772[14:24:05] <linurandy> BluesKaj: let me see and i tell you
• 1773[14:24:57] <BluesKaj> linurandy, I'm not really up to speed on how debian handles the otptimus sytem
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• 1776[14:25:37] * BluesKaj curses his phat phingers
• 1777[14:26:02] <somiaj> linurandy: BluesKaj: Debian uses bumblbee, which I think doesn't allow you to just disable the intel and make nvidia primary
• 1778[14:26:13] <somiaj> !bumblebee
• 1779[14:26:13] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
• 1780[14:27:03] <linurandy> dpkg: yeap just i wanna make my nvidia primary
• 1781[14:27:03] <dpkg> linurandy: I wish you would RTFM.
• 1782[14:27:34] <BluesKaj> linurandy, replaced-url
• 1783[14:27:38] <somiaj> linurandy: dpkg is a bot, and I don't know if that is possible with optimus. But as far as I know bumblee is the way to get such hardware to work in debian.
• 1784[14:27:39] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: babilen i say yeyeah!, ya that's what i say, i say yeyeah! I has a desktop again! :D thanks gentlemen!
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• 1787[14:28:57] <SanchoPensa> what the hell is a mate, though? :D
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• 1789[14:29:35] <cheapie> SanchoPensa: A desktop environment that sucks but not as badly as the rest of them do :P
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• 1791[14:29:57] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: yea, you just had a version conflict, the headers you installed form security didn't match the kernel you were using. I thought I tried to check this, but should have been more detailed, in general always update to security updates after the install (:
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• 1793[14:30:27] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: a gnome 2 fork (For those who don't like gnome3/gnome-shell but liked gnome2)
• 1794[14:30:27] <linurandy> BluesKaj: I understand now. Thanks. Now i ran sudo systemctl status bumblebeed.service and show me that [ERROR][XORG] (EE) PreInit returned 2 for "<default pointer>"
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• 1798[14:32:23] <BluesKaj> you have to install bumblebee, linurandy
• 1799[14:32:33] <linurandy> i had
• 1800[14:32:40] <linurandy> BluesKaj: i had
• 1801[14:33:29] <SanchoPensa> listen, somiaj: i inserted the usb stick, that i had created a day before.
• 1802[14:33:40] <SanchoPensa> that download was fdrehs, you know?
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• 1807[14:34:10] <SanchoPensa> alöl, i ever got to see after that brand new debian install, was a black screen, and a monitor saying "no signal"
• 1808[14:34:28] <SanchoPensa> it is kind of hard, to update under such circumstances, you know?
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• 1810[14:34:59] <SanchoPensa> so first i hat to chroot into that installation through recovery console to download the graphics driver
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• 1812[14:35:24] <SanchoPensa> then for the first, time i even got a console.
• 1813[14:35:31] <SanchoPensa> when was i to update?
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• 1816[14:36:27] <SanchoPensa> dont, get me wrong, i do really appreciate your help, and all roads finally lead to tranquility base, but the way there is sometiomes a rocky one, isn't it...? :)
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• 1832[14:45:28] <SanchoPensa> omg... how do i switch desktops??
• 1833[14:45:35] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Amazing .. happy that it worked out. Well done!
• 1834[14:46:04] <SanchoPensa> babilen: that definitely makes two of us with the amazement... :D
• 1835[14:46:11] <f31n> rant: sorry for my delay - you rock! thanks for your help! - so there is actually no reason why this damn file browser ask me for any password except for maybe a missconfiguration in my system anywhere ... damn
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• 1837[14:46:38] <SanchoPensa> so, how am i getting xface back...?
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• 1840[14:47:47] <Lyberta> hi, I physically plugged in my laptop into my router but can't access its web interface via 192.168.1.1, I can using different PC, help?
• 1841[14:47:51] <rant> f31n: well mine asks me for a passworf.. but thats because my key has a password :P
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• 1852[14:50:25] <Fahrradkette> hi again, sorry my connection dropped.
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• 1855[14:51:02] <Fahrradkette> is it advisable to do a dist-upgrade from stretch to buster? or should I rather do a clean install?
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• 1857[14:51:18] <babilen> dpkg: install xfce
• 1858[14:51:18] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
• 1859[14:51:18] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: the answer is, before i installed the driver, while i was chrooted, right...?
• 1860[14:51:21] <babilen> SanchoPensa: ^
• 1861[14:52:40] <SanchoPensa> babilen: thanks, biut the situation is, that i checked all desktops, that were available during installation. i havent seen another desktop in a loooong time, so i thought, i'd browse.
• 1862[14:52:48] <rant> f31n: idk I apparently know less about it than I thought because it still worked even without gnome-keyring or ssh-agent running for me *shurg*
• 1863[14:52:57] <SanchoPensa> now, i suppose, will hav to switch soomehow, rightß
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• 1867[14:54:21] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Well, log out, select other desktop, profit
• 1868[14:54:41] <SanchoPensa> on those videos on youtube gnome AND kde look like graveyards, btw...
• 1869[14:54:49] <f31n> if you eval ssh-agent you'll loose the access
• 1870[14:54:55] <SanchoPensa> babilen: yeah, what i thought, only, how'd i do that?
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• 1872[14:55:05] <f31n> eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"
• 1873[14:55:05] <SanchoPensa> nothing there to chose from
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• 1879[14:56:53] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Which login manager do you use?
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• 1892[15:02:35] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i have been trying to find out exactly that, can you gie me a hiunt, how to finmd out, please?
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• 1894[15:02:49] <SanchoPensa> desktop would be mate?
• 1895[15:02:56] <SanchoPensa> hell. mate...
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• 1898[15:03:51] <SanchoPensa> sorry for the many typos, but laptop keyboard...
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• 1906[15:08:16] <babilen> SanchoPensa: What does "aptitude search '~i~Px-display-manager'" give you?
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• 1910[15:09:36] <petn-randall> xrfang: What kind of daemon is this?
• 1911[15:09:41] <petn-randall> err, program
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• 1916[15:12:57] <xrfang> petn-randall: it is a command line program
• 1917[15:13:07] <SanchoPensa> babilen: says: gdm3, lightdm, sddm
• 1918[15:13:13] <xrfang> written in golan
• 1919[15:13:36] <babilen> SanchoPensa: So, run "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" and select gdm3 as login manager
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• 1921[15:13:40] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what freaking sort of command is that?? :D
• 1922[15:13:55] <SanchoPensa> babilen, ill, thanks!
• 1923[15:14:33] <babilen> It reconfigures the gdm3 package which should bring up a dialog that allows you to choose the currently used display manager
• 1924[15:14:47] <babilen> (should work with every installed display manager)
• 1925[15:15:04] <SanchoPensa> babilen: nana, not that one... the aptitude one, one previous to the gdm one
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• 1927[15:15:34] <SanchoPensa> the '~i~Px-display-manager' one
• 1928[15:16:01] <bitess> that's aptitude's search syntax. replaced-url
• 1929[15:16:16] <babilen> That search for ~i → installed packages that ~P → provide the 'x-display-manager'
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• 1931[15:16:45] <babilen> Please refer to the documentation so kindly provided by bitess for even more madness :)
• 1932[15:16:54] <SanchoPensa> ouh! aptitude regexps, so to speak!
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• 1934[15:17:04] <SanchoPensa> yeah! :D
• 1935[15:17:12] <SanchoPensa> without a doubt! :D
• 1936[15:17:31] <SanchoPensa> ok, i sitll got that same dull login screen...
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• 1938[15:17:54] <SanchoPensa> and mate...
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• 1942[15:19:17] <shaga> I'm using the theme Raleigh, but for some reason dialogue boxes and sliders do not appear on gui application windows
• 1943[15:19:25] <shaga> On xfce
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• 1946[15:20:52] <babilen> SanchoPensa: So .. you can choose different desktops by clicking on the cog wheel
• 1947[15:21:07] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what??
• 1948[15:21:14] <SanchoPensa> come again, please?
• 1949[15:21:54] <SanchoPensa> babilen: would you care to join me in offtopic for a minute please?
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• 1966[15:27:51] <Iridos> I installed debian on an external drive and told the installer to put grub on that drive, too. When I boot now on that disk, I only get a cursor. I booted from the rescue function of the install image into the partition… but everything in grub I find seems to be autodetection… where is the file I need to edit?
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• 1968[15:28:26] <Iridos> /etc/default/grub has nothing regarding the disk it installs on… and /etc/grub.d/ has scripts I don't see I want to touch
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• 1977[15:31:13] <Iridos> the cursor seems to suggest it's not finding the grub entry at all… I should have made a separate /boot, but just followed the guided partitioning
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• 1979[15:31:55] <thunar11> when I open thunar via sudo thunar, I get: Thunar: "Failed to initialize Xfconf: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)"
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• 1982[15:32:28] <Iridos> mmh. it's a 1tb file… and legacy booting because I wasn't sure how stuff would go down with uefi
• 1983[15:32:36] <Iridos> bit late to make a /boot partition, I fear
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• 1988[15:34:10] <thunar11> I also get this error message: (thunar:2084): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance (thunar:2084): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion 'G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
• 1989[15:34:29] <f31n> rant: i solved it; i checked my startup options on lxde, i enabled everything that has gnome in the name like gnome software etc, now its working as it shoud - maybe i disabled it 'centuries' ago when i tried to get in touch with lxde the first time. Thanks a lot for telling my that the issue is MY computer not a broken piece of software ;)
• 1990[15:34:40] <SanchoPensa> babilen: whats a cog wheel?
• 1991[15:35:20] <SanchoPensa> oh, i see. i dont have it
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• 1993[15:35:29] <SanchoPensa> where is it supposed to be?
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• 1995[15:39:21] <Iridos> thunar11, can you open any X11 windows with sudo?
• 1996[15:39:35] <TC`> I downloaded oracle jdk1.8u162*tar.gz . Installed it with >>> update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_162/bin/java 1 <<< And elasticsearch still says it cannot find the bin of java. Even when I set JAVA_HOME="/opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_162" in /etc/environment and /et/cprofile . Has someone more ideas? ordinary user can see whereis java etc.
• 1997[15:40:03] <Iridos> meh. I installed the bootloader again from the rescue disk and it works… why didn't it work the first time in the effin installer, then
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• 1999[15:40:40] <TC`> I have a very strict network, cannot use repositories.
• 2000[15:41:04] <metastable> Then how do you apply security patches?
• 2001[15:41:08] <thunar11> @iridos don't know what you mean by x11 windows
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• 2004[15:44:01] <TC`> metastable: if it is jdk related question then the ansqear is mannual.
• 2005[15:44:04] <TC`> y
• 2006[15:44:17] <metastable> TC`: No, how do you apply security patches to the system?
• 2007[15:44:37] <metastable> You do it manually, by copying the entire patch set via removable media?
• 2008[15:44:46] <TC`> there is a service to forward those packages
• 2009[15:45:02] <TC`> but it cannot be changed at this momment to add new repos.
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• 2025[15:47:04] <deicide-> i have a problem with my laptop turning on suspend after an hour when i'm watching a stream on twitch
• 2026[15:47:31] <deicide-> how do i disable that completely?
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• 2034[15:51:41] <linurandy> why when i ran a movie from the command line with optirun totem movie.mkv stucked or ran slowly?
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• 2039[15:52:44] <onyx> somepeoplehaveswitchtowaylandyet?
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• 2042[15:53:20] <bitess> someone stole your spacebar?
• 2043[15:53:26] <onyx> problem with myback space xD
• 2044[15:53:41] <onyx> ... a litllebit
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• 2046[15:54:05] <onyx> :)
• 2047[15:54:23] <bogus-> My desktop is fedora with wayland ;-)
• 2048[15:54:29] <bogus-> so in that case: yea I switched
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• 2056[15:56:53] <daemon> hey all I have an old linux box I need to boot up to get some files from
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• 2058[15:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1531
• 2059[15:57:05] <onyx> i ll try wayland for I3 desktop env
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• 2062[15:57:38] <daemon> the issue is when I spin it up as a VM the nic does not appear to show up; 82545EM is what I emulating; lspci on it says: 00:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) but there is nothing in 'ifconfig'
• 2063[15:57:47] <daemon> the version is 6.0.10 / Squeeze
• 2064[15:57:47] <Iridos> thunar11, stuff that opens a window
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• 2066[15:58:10] <thunar11> yeah
• 2067[15:58:22] <thunar11> iridos: when I run sudo thunar, thunar still launcheds
• 2068[15:58:24] <thunar11> launches
• 2069[15:59:03] <bogus-> daemon: what does ifconfig -a say?
• 2070[15:59:50] <daemon> bogus-, 'lo'
• 2071[15:59:54] <daemon> and thats all
• 2072[16:00:28] <bogus-> is it possible to emulate another nic?
• 2073[16:00:37] <daemon> bogus-, I can emulate an e1000 or virtio
• 2074[16:00:52] <daemon> but neither appear to show up
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• 2076[16:02:02] <linurandy> why when i ran a movie from the command line with optirun totem movie.mkv stucked or ran slowly?
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• 2082[16:03:22] <bogus-> daemon, I don't think those network cards are supported by squeeze
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• 2087[16:04:14] <daemon> bogus-, seriously freedos supports the e1000 lol
• 2088[16:04:35] <teatime> yeah, e1000 should be for sure
• 2089[16:05:41] <jelly> bogus-: even etch supports those, what use is making virtual hardware if it's going to be incompatible with OSes
• 2090[16:05:58] <teatime> daemon: you're using kvm?
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• 2092[16:06:08] <daemon> teatime, bhyve
• 2093[16:06:30] <daemon> ah ha got it
• 2094[16:06:32] <daemon> that was bizzare
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• 2096[16:06:38] <teatime> do tell
• 2097[16:06:44] <bogus-> indeed
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• 2099[16:06:49] <jelly> daemon: iface will get renamed if MAC changes
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• 2101[16:06:53] <daemon> I force changed the mac address of the card in the hypervisor config
• 2102[16:06:56] <daemon> rebooted the VM
• 2103[16:06:58] <jelly> !70
• 2104[16:06:58] <dpkg> This is outdated, for Stretch see replaced-url
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• 2106[16:07:05] <daemon> and now I have a 'eth1' showing up in ifconfig
• 2107[16:07:27] <daemon> but before hand I did not have eth0 in ifconfig so, who knows -_-
• 2108[16:08:25] <daemon> hmmm I wonder ...
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• 2111[16:08:47] <daemon> I think the way it was setup it just randomly generated the mac each time that system booted
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• 2120[16:09:46] <daemon> oh well all working now, so lets see if we can extract these files
• 2121[16:10:18] <daemon> oh thank you bogus- and teatime ofc :)
• 2122[16:12:02] <Iridos> thunar11, so what is it that doesn't work
• 2123[16:12:19] <thunar11> nothing
• 2124[16:12:34] <thunar11> @iridos just don't know what the error message means
• 2125[16:12:50] <Iridos> if you don't miss functionality why do you care
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• 2127[16:14:37] <Iridos> some stuff is probably trying to interact with your usersession or possibly roots usersession… and can't in the first case because of the user mismatch in the second because root has no session
• 2128[16:14:58] <Iridos> but errors/warnings are only useful when they help you to solve problems
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• 2142[16:21:20] <Iridos> dpkg, autologin
• 2143[16:21:20] <dpkg> If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) The <nodm> package is a good way of automating this.
• 2144[16:21:36] <Iridos> is there more details on how to automate that with nodm somewhere?
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• 2150[16:24:25] <Tobit> Hello, I wish to follow the discussion on the development of the machiotobin in #debian-arm. Would someone please authorize this one to join? Thank you.
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• 2152[16:26:02] <somiaj> Tobit: #debian-arm is on a different irc network, irc.oftc.net
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• 2154[16:26:28] <babilen> aka irc.debian.org
• 2155[16:26:51] <bitSt0rm> Problem configuring i8kmon to work properly, using Dell Inspiron 7000 Gaming Laptop 15' screen. Is enable, active and running. Screenshot: replaced-url
• 2156[16:26:55] <Tobit> somiaj: Thank you very much.
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• 2160[16:27:37] <bitSt0rm> Oh yeah, when it reaches 60degC is the only point fans kick in :S
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• 2172[16:34:18] <Phil-Work`> will Debian 9 ever get kernel >= 4.11 or will that only be available in Debian 10 (notwithstanding backports)?
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• 2175[16:34:40] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Debian 9 is stable (i.e. "not changing") so no
• 2176[16:34:48] <Phil-Work`> ok, thanks
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• 2178[16:34:58] <babilen> I mean that's the very definition of "stable"
• 2179[16:35:15] <teatime> Iridos: it's really easy
• 2180[16:35:19] <Phil-Work`> that's going to be a bit of a balls for anyone wanting to run it on new Dell hardware :(
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• 2182[16:35:46] <teatime> Iridos: if you apt install nodm, it should ask you all the relevant questions via debconf. if not, you can always do `dpkg-reconfigure nodm`
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• 2184[16:36:33] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Just install a newer kernel then
• 2185[16:37:04] <Phil-Work`> babilen, the problem is lack of RAID controller drivers so the installer doesn't work unless you compile and load in the driver
• 2186[16:37:19] <Phil-Work`> once it's booted, you can indeed install 4.14 from backports
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• 2189[16:37:37] <Phil-Work`> but by that time you've installed the driver anyway, so there's little need
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• 2192[16:38:58] <bitSt0rm> Phil-Work` do you run debian on dell laptop?
• 2193[16:39:17] <Phil-Work`> bitSt0rm, no - these are Gen14 servers
• 2194[16:39:22] <jelly> Phil-Work`: filing a bug report to add missing drivers to 4.9 is an option
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• 2197[16:39:30] <bitSt0rm> Oh ok
• 2198[16:39:36] <Phil-Work`> jelly, I'll give it a punt
• 2199[16:39:45] <thunar11> @iridos trying to interpret the message to determine if there is an underlying problem
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• 2201[16:39:49] <Phil-Work`> looks like Ubuntu did it into their LTS
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• 2203[16:39:57] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Huh, let me check .. we are running stretch on some R740xd
• 2204[16:40:10] <jelly> yeah, and they have HWE packs when it's too hard to backport drivers
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• 2209[16:40:51] <Phil-Work`> babilen, Perc H740P is the issue
• 2210[16:41:04] <Phil-Work`> H730 works OK
• 2211[16:41:07] <babilen> Has Dell shipped new Intel microcode or are we still in "Customers are testing new microcode in production, before Intel releases it" mode?
• 2212[16:41:20] <jelly> babilen: HPE has shipped and revoked.
• 2213[16:41:24] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Yeah, I understood that
• 2214[16:42:04] <babilen> Oh, guess I should check Dell's website again after Intel published their update yesterday
• 2215[16:42:10] <babilen> And already revoked? That was fast!
• 2216[16:42:15] <petn-randall> AFAIK it's now been re-revoked, as the issues were not caused by the update.
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• 2218[16:42:24] <babilen> Or are you referring to the revoke on the 22nd?
• 2219[16:42:26] <petn-randall> That's like today's news.
• 2220[16:42:32] <babilen> (i.e. no no bad 2.7.0 on R730)
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• 2222[16:43:42] <babilen> Ah .. replaced-url
• 2223[16:43:56] <babilen> Checked yesterday and there wasn't anything
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• 2225[16:47:04] <bitSt0rm> Hi all. I have a problem setting up i8kmon to work properly, using Dell Inspiron 7000 Gaming Laptop (15inch). Is enabled and active (systemctl). Screenshot: replaced-url
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• 2230[16:49:25] <BanHammor> hi, so general question: should i count on having env in /bin/env or /usr/bin/env?
• 2231[16:49:43] <jelly> the latter
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• 2234[16:50:36] <teatime> iirc it's not specified by e.g. POSIX, but /usr/bin/env is at least a practical, de facto standard
• 2235[16:51:12] <BanHammor> hm
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• 2237[16:51:22] <BanHammor> okay then
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• 2262[17:06:17] <bitSt0rm> If anyone uses or have ever used i8kmon, please ping me (I will be in debt to you for eternity haha) --afk
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• 2268[17:09:43] <annadane> bitSt0rm, sorry for the ping when i don't use it but why don't you ask your question and someone may be able to answer it
• 2269[17:09:45] <annadane> !anyone
• 2270[17:09:45] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 2274[17:11:55] <onyx> @teatime with new "stable" kernel.org version compiled with .config in the boot directories the debian buster not boot
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• 2276[17:13:03] <onyx> i think i need more initramfs documentation
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• 2278[17:13:22] <teatime> onyx: are you following the debian method for compiling a kernel package?
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• 2280[17:14:06] <teatime> (also, I will forego the obvious question of "do you have any need/reason to compile a custom kernel", and assume you do.)
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• 2287[17:16:50] <onyx> @teatime maybe not :$ , I discovered kernel compilation the first time on gentoo, have you link or irc for do it in debian way ?
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• 2294[17:19:32] <metastable> The Debian way is "don't, unless you have a very compelling technical requirement."
• 2295[17:19:56] <onyx> @teatime for (also, I will forego the obvious question of "do you have any need/reason to compile a custom kernel", and assume you do.)
• 2296[17:20:01] <thms> onyx, replaced-url
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• 2300[17:21:22] <onyx> i love the lego or mecano and patch some kernel
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• 2303[17:22:39] <metastable> Also, this isn't Twitter, Slack, Telegram, Chatter, or anything similar. Prepending someone's name with @ breaks name highlighting and therefore does the opposite of what you want.
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• 2310[17:25:40] <onyx> @teatime Ok , i agree ..
• 2311[17:25:41] <metastable> onyx: It sounds like you have no need to build a custom kernel, so stick with the kernel that ships. Also, you're running testing, which isn't supported here, and is expected to break at random by nature of what it is.
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• 2320[17:28:22] <onyx> @teatime today i m not good enough for build my own kernel
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• 2322[17:28:45] <annadane> yeah if it's new features you want testing will have newer kernels anyway
• 2323[17:29:20] <onyx> oops
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• 2327[17:34:29] <DammitJim> how do I know where the packages I have in my system came from?
• 2328[17:34:46] <DammitJim> I suspect I changed my sources.list at some point from debian to virtualbox
• 2329[17:34:55] <DammitJim> and I have broken some stuff.. but not sure
• 2330[17:35:07] <thms> DammitJim, dpkg -l
• 2331[17:35:20] <DammitJim> rc virtualbox-5.0 5.0.40-115130~Debian~jessie amd64 Oracle VM VirtualBox
• 2332[17:35:20] <DammitJim> ii virtualbox-5.1 5.1.32-120294~Debian~jessie amd64 Oracle VM VirtualBox
• 2333[17:35:22] <DammitJim> sorry
• 2334[17:35:33] <DammitJim> where do I go next to find out the source?
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• 2336[17:36:47] <jelly> those look like upstream packages yes
• 2337[17:36:48] <onyx> initramfs take my bollocks in his hands ^^!
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• 2340[17:37:28] <jelly> DammitJim: "apt-cache policy virtualbox-5.1" if the source is still configured
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• 2343[17:38:05] <DammitJim> interesting, jelly !
• 2344[17:38:14] <DammitJim> 500 replaced-url
• 2345[17:38:27] <DammitJim> does that mean that this URL doesn't work anymore?
• 2346[17:38:46] <jelly> it means about the opposite of that
• 2347[17:38:58] <DammitJim> LOL
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• 2349[17:39:12] <DammitJim> ok, so that is the true source, nice
• 2350[17:39:34] <jelly> assuming that's under Candidate:
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• 2352[17:39:41] <DammitJim> man, then I don't understand why on this new server, I can't find virtualbox-guest-dkms
• 2353[17:39:52] <DammitJim> but I can find it on the older server *sigh*
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• 2361[17:44:05] <DammitJim> thanks for the hint jelly... apt-cache policy ;)
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• 2367[17:48:09] <jelly> (yeah, there's a reason why bot asks for that stuff in !basic apt troubleshooting)
• 2368[17:48:19] <DammitJim> !basic apt
• 2369[17:48:22] <jelly> !bat
• 2370[17:48:22] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2371[17:48:51] <jelly> that thing which people REALLY don't like to answer
• 2372[17:49:14] <jelly> because OMG LOTS OF INFO JUST TELL ME HOW TO FIX
• 2373[17:49:29] <DammitJim> next time I'll ask apt
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• 2415[18:16:10] <BanHammor> hey...so i wanna set up ActiveDir-based user auth and groups. The debian guide recommends I set up like 5 different packages. Why do I need to set up Samba for this?
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• 2421[18:17:21] <jelly> BanHammor: start with realmd, see if that's good enough for your purposes
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• 2425[18:19:52] <jelly> BanHammor: and try sssd route first before (samba's) winbind
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• 2432[18:22:23] <BanHammor> aight, thanks.
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• 2438[18:24:13] <guzzlefry> howdy
• 2439[18:25:13] <treadhead> guzzlefry: hello
• 2440[18:25:16] <ArsenArsen> I've seen some Gentoo security mailing lists about clamav some time ago, but no mention of it in Debian, was it not affected?
• 2441[18:25:33] <guzzlefry> I've noticed that all executables under /usr/bin have an ACL rule that removes rwx from the replaced-url
• 2442[18:25:41] <ArsenArsen> Late 2017 that is, it involved arbitrary code execution etc
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• 2449[18:28:09] <guzzlefry> I'm trying to determine if someone manually set those ACL rules.
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• 2457[18:31:04] <Rembo> i'm getting this: screen: loadlocale.c:129: nl_intern_locale_data: Assertion `cnt < (sizeof (nl_value_type_LC_TIME) / sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME[0]))' failed.
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• 2460[18:32:20] <ioc__> Rembo, that is a bug, report with the steps to reproduce
• 2461[18:32:35] <ioc__> close/reopen screen
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• 2465[18:34:00] <Rembo> ioc__ i'm gettiing this after i try to install gcc 7
• 2466[18:34:17] <Rembo> ioc__ what shall i do to reinstall my old version of gcc or to fix this issue?
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• 2474[18:35:27] <Rembo> ioc__ , i'm getting this on every command i try
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• 2479[18:39:28] <BanHammor> how exactly did you go about installing gcc7, Rembo>
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• 2482[18:40:29] <Rembo> BanHammor, via apt-get install gcc7
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• 2484[18:41:27] <Rembo> i'm getting this on everyone command i try to run: loadlocale.c:129: _nl_intern_locale_data: Assertion `cnt < (sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME) / sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME[0]))' failed.
• 2485[18:41:27] <Rembo> Aborted
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• 2487[18:42:19] <treadhead> if im running purely CLI how can i find out what speed my CPU is running at?
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• 2491[18:43:54] <BanHammor> im guessing that something broke glibc
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• 2494[18:44:33] <snow__> hi
• 2495[18:44:43] <treadhead> snow__: hello
• 2496[18:45:42] <snow__> So long story short im new to linux and just installed a new linux distro and i would like to know how i mount my one of my partiotions
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• 2500[18:46:41] <treadhead> i answered my own question, its lscpu
• 2501[18:46:45] <mhicklen> snow__, run ``sudo lsblk`` to list your block devices and partitions
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• 2504[18:47:41] <snow__> ohh okay its sad5 i want to mount :)
• 2505[18:47:47] <snow__> sda5*
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• 2511[18:49:26] <snow__> hmmm i somehow fixed it than you treadhead :)
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• 2518[18:51:16] <ioc__> Rembo, BanHammor looks like replaced-url
• 2519[18:51:24] <jelly> Rembo: which debian release is this supposed to be?
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• 2523[18:52:00] <jelly> Rembo: because it vaguely sounds like you're mixing different releases, that can break things and is a big no-no
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• 2525[18:53:14] <jelly> Rembo: did you save the output of that gcc7 installation (attempt)?
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• 2527[18:54:26] <guzzlefry> So, can anyone with nginx installed confirm that special ACL rules exist for the replaced-url
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• 2529[18:54:46] <guzzlefry> nginx installed on 9.1 that is
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• 2531[18:55:26] <mhicklen> are you talking about php-fpm acls for usernames nginx/apache/replaced-url
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• 2556[19:09:42] <guzzlefry> mhall119: Possibly. I'm just wondering if that's a Debian thing or if the admin here set it.
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• 2559[19:11:23] <guzzlefry> whoops, wrong person
• 2560[19:11:38] <guzzlefry> mhicklen: Possibly. I'm just wondering if that's a Debian thing or if the admin here set it.
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• 2565[19:16:02] <mhicklen> hm?
• 2566[19:16:04] <mhicklen> oh
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• 2568[19:16:20] <mhicklen> well php-fpm has this default acl in its replaced-url
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• 2579[19:19:03] <lizzzy> Can someone pastebin "ls -hal /"?
• 2580[19:19:16] <mhicklen> which version
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• 2582[19:19:35] <lizzzy> I'm on debian sid.
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• 2584[19:20:04] <mhicklen> here's 9: replaced-url
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• 2591[19:22:13] <stripe> hi all, how large does the unencrypted boot partition need to be for an encrypted install? cheers
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• 2593[19:22:28] <lizzzy> mhicklen: can you "ls -hal /boot"?
• 2594[19:22:44] <rudi_s> stripe: I'd use ~ 512 MiB or so.
• 2595[19:22:51] <rudi_s> It must fit all kernels and their initrds.
• 2596[19:22:52] <sh0kx> stripe: just be sure that you will leave enough space for kernel
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• 2598[19:22:55] <rudi_s> Which can get quite big.
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• 2601[19:23:57] <stripe> thanks guys, will try a test setup with the 512MiB and see what thats like, cheers
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• 2605[19:25:38] <elnegro> hi everybody, question: i have debian running xen (host) and when update-grub is executed (after apt-get update for example) a lot of entries are made in the menu, one for each lvm volume of my virtual machines..is there any way to skip adding such partitions to the boot menu? thanx
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• 2607[19:30:07] <mhicklen> lizzzy: sorry replaced-url
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• 2611[19:31:47] <lizzzy> mhicklen: Thanks you, that solved an issue I created. :)
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• 2614[19:32:28] <dutchfish> elnegro, in /etc/default/grub set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
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• 2616[19:32:48] <dutchfish> elnegro, then run update-grub again
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• 2619[19:33:27] <Rembo> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2622[19:34:34] <jelly> Rembo: so you're mixing experimental with Debian 8. That won't fly.
• 2623[19:34:53] <Rembo> jelly: can i reverse the process ?
• 2624[19:35:09] <jelly> Rembo: if you have backups, you can restore the system to previous state
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• 2626[19:35:18] <elnegro> thanks, dutchfish
• 2627[19:35:24] <dutchfish> elnegro, yw
• 2628[19:35:38] <Rembo> jelly, i don't have backup :(
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• 2630[19:36:48] <jelly> Rembo: if you don't, and dpkg command also fails in the same way, you'll have to boot from a debian or debian-based live image, and replace the package versions of glibc stuff from what was upgraded back to jessie
• 2631[19:37:08] <jelly> Rembo: why do you not have backup? If this system is not important, just reinstall
• 2632[19:37:11] <rakor> Hey there what is the advantage of kvm/qemu compared to VBox?
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• 2636[19:37:48] <rakor> Having tested both it seems to me as kvm/qemu is much more fiddeling
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• 2640[19:38:12] <rakor> VBox just works, bringing guest-additions
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• 2642[19:38:18] <Rembo> jelly, it is a production server
• 2643[19:38:27] <Rembo> it is very important
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• 2646[19:42:00] <mtn> Rembo: Not having backups means you don't care about losing your personal files and settings.
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• 2648[19:42:13] <jelly> "production server" doesn't sound "personal"
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• 2653[19:43:15] <jelly> Rembo: boot a live image and MAKE a backup. Then carefully downgrade affected packages.
• 2654[19:43:49] <jelly> Rembo: does dpkg command work? Do you still have a root shell open?
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• 2657[19:45:11] <Agiofws> hello
• 2658[19:46:50] <jelly> Rembo: is that all the output you have saved or is there more?
• 2659[19:46:58] <Agiofws> i'me getting a "start job is not ready... on /dev/foo and it stalls for 90 secs" i suspect that my swap partition is not mounted can you help me debug this?
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• 2661[19:47:32] <Agiofws> where should check in etc fstab ?
• 2662[19:48:48] <Agiofws> UUID=ec93442b-66eb-499b-a2de-15335a66638a none swap sw 0 0
• 2663[19:49:05] <Agiofws> does that line issue that swap is not getting mounted?
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• 2673[19:54:28] <mhicklen> does that uuid match your swap area
• 2674[19:54:43] <mhicklen> what device and partition is your swap area on Agiofws
• 2675[19:54:51] <mhicklen> id like to see something like
• 2676[19:54:56] <mhicklen> blkid -p /dev/sdb3
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• 2678[19:55:01] <mhicklen> where sdb = your swap parition
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• 2681[19:55:44] <mhicklen> you could also just not use swap, it's 2018 :)
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• 2684[19:56:26] <Agiofws> mhicklen, replaced-url
• 2685[19:56:35] <mhicklen> ok sda5 is swap
• 2686[19:56:39] <mhicklen> blkid -p /dev/sda5
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• 2688[19:56:45] <mhicklen> compare the UUID there to the fstab
• 2689[19:56:51] <hypn0> is that new for 2018, no swap partition
• 2690[19:57:01] <mhicklen> no swap was a thing back in 2009 for me
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• 2692[19:57:06] <Agiofws> mhicklen, this is my issue replaced-url
• 2693[19:57:32] <mhicklen> here at work we have debian 7 boxen in colocation where we use swap, one swapped the other day and it took forever to do anything with it. may well have just rebooted it. no oom killer :(
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• 2695[19:57:54] <mhicklen> Agiofws: do you have systemd swap swt up
• 2696[19:57:56] <mhicklen> set*
• 2697[19:58:07] <Agiofws> mhicklen, replaced-url
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• 2699[19:58:18] <Agiofws> mhicklen, is that a service ?
• 2700[19:58:22] <mhicklen> yes
• 2701[19:58:27] <mhicklen> Agiofws: UUID=ec93442b-66eb-499b-a2de-15335a66638a none swap sw 0 0
• 2702[19:58:33] <mhicklen> vs d6a0b800-6b58-43a8-a3db-8b7a79bf4cbc
• 2703[19:58:36] <mhicklen> does not match.
• 2704[19:58:41] <mhicklen> edit fstab and change it to UUID=d6a0b800-6b58-43a8-a3db-8b7a79bf4cbc
• 2705[19:58:45] <mhicklen> (no quote marks)
• 2706[19:58:58] <mhicklen> UUID=d6a0b800-6b58-43a8-a3db-8b7a79bf4cbc none swap sw 0 0
• 2707[19:59:01] <mhicklen> then boot it up.
• 2708[19:59:20] <snow__> hi
• 2709[20:00:34] <snow__> how do i know what debian version i have?
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• 2711[20:00:49] <mhicklen> lsb_release -a
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• 2715[20:01:22] <snow__> lsb_release -a
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• 2725[20:03:48] <jelly> !debian suite
• 2726[20:03:49] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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• 2733[20:05:18] <snow__> Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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• 2735[20:05:24] <snow__> thank you jelly :D
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• 2737[20:06:02] <jelly> Rembo: if that was the start of actually installing stuff, you probably have libc6 from jessie but locales from experimental. purging locales-all might be a good start, but since you don't have a working dpkg, you absolutely need to boot into a working system
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• 2743[20:07:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1529
• 2744[20:07:24] <jelly> Rembo: feel free to /msg me if you want paid help fixing this; however, given no backup and Friday night I'm not going to be cheap
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• 2748[20:08:54] <brw> hrm. very important production server and no backups...
• 2749[20:09:09] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2756[20:10:50] <mcgreg> hi
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• 2764[20:12:25] <mcgreg> I am using debian/kde - and k3b tells me my locale is my "System locale charset is ANSI_X3.4-1968" while locale tells me it is "en_US.UTF-8" - anyone else experienced such a problem? is this rather a bug from k3b or is my configuration kind of broken?
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• 2780[20:19:39] <somiaj> mcgreg: might depend on the shell, when you run locale, you run this in a terminal of some sorts right? Or do you run it in a tty?
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• 2785[20:22:11] <mcgreg> somiaj: I ran locale as user and as root from bash - both exactly same results.
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• 2788[20:23:00] <jelly> mcgreg: well system locale might really be C and your user's en_US.UTF-8, what's the issue
• 2789[20:23:19] <jelly> depending on how you opened that root shell locale might be inherited
• 2790[20:23:24] <mcgreg> somiaj: just checked something. when I start k3b from the menu I get that "warning" that locale is set to ANSI_X3.4-1968 - when I start k3b from bash I dont get that error
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• 2793[20:24:16] <mcgreg> jelly: chaged to tty2 , logged in as root and did the same, locale report the same
• 2794[20:24:22] <jelly> mcgreg: you can start if from menu, don't let it quit, find that process' pid, then look at /proc/PID/environ
• 2795[20:25:46] <jelly> mcgreg: that file has \0 delimited entries, so use something like: cat /proc/$$/environ | tr '\0' '\n'
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• 2800[20:26:52] <mcgreg> hmmm starnge -> LANGUAGE=en but later LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
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• 2803[20:27:04] <tw> Odd conflict.
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• 2806[20:27:25] <tw> mcgreg: For just the one user, you should be able to set LANG=whatever in .xsessionrc if you're using graphical login.
• 2807[20:27:43] <tw> or .profile
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• 2809[20:28:29] <jelly> mcgreg: and none of those are ANSI_X3.4-1968
• 2810[20:28:52] <mcgreg> well, it tells me it is ANSI_X3.4-1968 because it probably isnt set
• 2811[20:29:04] <descuidado> excuse me, how can i run a script before login? aka when the os boots, its for my screen display, for some reason debian doesnt recognize my monitor and i been using xrandr on .profile, i've also tried using .bashrc, they both jsut work after login...
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• 2813[20:29:43] <mcgreg> but - if LANGUAGE=en but later LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 it probably means somewhere "LANG=de_DE.UTF-8" is set - and I have no idea where
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• 2816[20:31:07] <tw> descuidado: which login manager are you using?
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• 2818[20:33:03] <descuidado> tw gdm3
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• 2820[20:33:20] <tw> descuidado: add to /etc/gdm3/Init/display
• 2821[20:33:22] <tw> replaced-url
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• 2823[20:33:49] <descuidado> tw, there's only 1 file named Default there
• 2824[20:33:59] <tw> descuidado: Okay, use that one.
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• 2826[20:34:28] <descuidado> tw, sorry for my lack of knowledge, but do i just put the commands there?
• 2827[20:34:33] <descuidado> at the last line?
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• 2829[20:35:16] <somiaj> mcgreg: it might be a different from a login() shell and interactive shell, they parse differnt files. It could also be a factor of the Xsession you are using, that alos parses different files, so the locale may not be setup in the shell that is running kde correctly
• 2830[20:35:17] <tw> That should work, but I don't know for sure.
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• 2835[20:36:07] <somiaj> mcgreg: but when you load an interactive shell, the .bashrc (or whatever file) get parsed and sets the user local.
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• 2839[20:39:43] <somiaj> mcgreg: the hammer approach, run dpkg-reconfigure locales, and set the default locale -- though in many cases it is suggested to set that to 'none' to let different users set their own locale.
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• 2844[20:41:46] <erasmus> I just got this old terminal server and I'd like to hook it up to a remote debian server I have but it's on an old mac mini. Anyone know any guides for doing that?
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• 2849[20:43:36] <somiaj> ericnoan:what do you mean by 'hook it up', I think ssh should still work, its been a standard around for a long time now.
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• 2854[20:45:34] <erasmus> well I want to send the output from serial
• 2855[20:45:43] <erasmus> I have a usb to serial convertor
• 2856[20:45:48] <erasmus> and that's how it hooks up
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• 2858[20:45:58] <erasmus> and then I can ssh into the little terminal server.
• 2859[20:46:09] <somiaj> I'm not that familar with serial terminals, others maybe able to give better help.
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• 2870[20:52:41] <tw> Does the "old terminal server" have a serial port?
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• 2873[20:54:20] <erasmus> yes
• 2874[20:54:25] <erasmus> 4 of them
• 2875[20:54:35] <erasmus> but it has a web interface and you can also ssh to it
• 2876[20:54:54] <erasmus> I'll figure it out.
• 2877[20:54:56] <tw> Oh, it's already letting you log in on the serial port?
• 2878[20:55:14] <erasmus> nah it needs to be told
• 2879[20:55:22] <erasmus> to output to it
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• 2882[20:56:50] <tw> If it's linux, you should be able to set `console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8` as linux boot parameters.
• 2883[20:57:11] <JackK> Can anyone recommend a debian-compatible 802.11ac wifi adapter?
• 2884[20:57:32] <tw> I think if you set it as console, systemd automatically starts a getty instance on it, but I could be mistaken.
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• 2893[21:01:16] <no_gravity> What is the best way to install a minimal Debian in VirtualBox? I only need a terminal.
• 2894[21:01:22] <deicide-> how can i access shared drives from my nas?
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• 2896[21:02:08] <BenNZ> no_gravity: use the netinstall media
• 2897[21:02:17] <no_gravity> BenNZ: Whare is it?
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• 2900[21:02:46] <no_gravity> BenNZ: This? replaced-url
• 2901[21:02:47] <tw> no_gravity: any installer will do, just turn off all of the package selection options when it asks.
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• 2904[21:03:12] <BenNZ> no_gravity: that should do
• 2905[21:04:11] <no_gravity> BenNZ: But what do I click on?
• 2906[21:04:58] <BenNZ> no_gravity: whichever suits your needs
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• 2908[21:05:26] <teatime> no_gravity: e.g., for amd64, replaced-url
• 2909[21:05:56] <mcgreg> I have found that other programs actually also have LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 which means this is somewhere set - in this case thunderbird . can you perhaps tell me where locales are looked up?
• 2910[21:06:04] <no_gravity> teatime: Ok, trying that one.
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• 2912[21:06:30] <teatime> no_gravity: will be just fine for VMs. for physical hardware, though, especially newer stuff and laptops/netbooks, you will probably want to use the "unofficial" cd "with firmware" instead.
• 2913[21:06:33] <mcgreg> jelly: btw, thx a lot for the trick "/proc/PID/environ" :) that helped a lot
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• 2915[21:07:05] <somiaj> mcgreg: it totally dependson the shell, and what files it parses when it is started.
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• 2917[21:07:17] <somiaj> mcgreg: or via dpkg-reconfigure locales to set system defaults
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• 2919[21:08:02] <somiaj> mcgreg: as in there are lots of different places a user could set the locale
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• 2922[21:09:08] <jhutchins> no_gravity: For a truely minimal install debootstrap. Don't forget to add a kernel.
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• 2932[21:11:10] <tw> and probably a bootloader, I don't recall that being default.
• 2933[21:11:48] <jelly> it is default.
• 2934[21:12:06] <jelly> um, with d-i, not with debootstrap
• 2935[21:13:07] <jelly> no_gravity: but if you're building for a vm guest, might also try vmdebootstrap or vmdb2 (I don't know how well either work)
• 2936[21:13:31] <jelly> ,v vmdb2
• 2937[21:13:32] <judd> No package named 'vmdb2' was found in amd64.
• 2938[21:14:23] <mcgreg> where are "export" -variables stored?
• 2939[21:14:50] <mhicklen> in your environment
• 2940[21:14:53] <mhicklen> run 'env'
• 2941[21:14:54] <teatime> ah yeah, vmdb2, was looking at that recently, seemed nice. not packaged yet, but it's in the works.
• 2942[21:15:04] <mhicklen> also, /etc/profile usually
• 2943[21:15:19] <mhicklen> export = a command to set a variable on the current shell and all new shells opened underneath it
• 2944[21:15:54] <teatime> mcgreg: in the environment of a specific shell/process, and it propagates down to its children. they can be configured quite a number of different places, w/ (sometimes subly) varying effects & for different reasons.
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• 2946[21:16:06] <teatime> mcgreg: do you ask for a particular reason?
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• 2948[21:17:26] <mcgreg> teatime: well, export tells me LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" - while .bashrc is set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 - how ios that possible?
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• 2953[21:18:43] <teatime> mcgreg: if you want to set that in e.g. .bashrc, you'd need the "export" keyword. Also, there are several bash/shell startup files; your .bashrc may not be sourced when you think it is, or may be getting overridden by another.
• 2954[21:19:00] <teatime> mcgreg: the `locale` command is handy for seeing your language and locale -related settings at a glance.
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• 2958[21:20:39] <mcgreg> teatime: replaced-url
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• 2962[21:21:47] <simbalion> Hi, could someone explain to me why /var/replaced-url
• 2963[21:21:58] <tw> mcgreg: did you try `dpkg-reconfigure locales` as was suggested?
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• 2967[21:22:21] <jelly> simbalion: /var/replaced-url
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• 2969[21:22:49] <simbalion> jelly: Data rather than programs? what does /var stand for, if anything?
• 2970[21:23:08] <jelly> !fhs
• 2971[21:23:09] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
• 2972[21:23:12] <mcgreg> tw: I did that before I joined here already - that was my first approach
• 2973[21:23:45] <simbalion> jelly: Thanks! I am familiar with it mostly but my knowledge is like 30 years old
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• 2977[21:24:48] <digdilem> tbf, it hasn't changed much in 30 years :)
• 2978[21:24:55] <simbalion> Hrm, according to that wiki /usr/local/ would be a suitable place to put html also, "tertiary hierarchy for local data specific to this host"
• 2979[21:25:03] <tw> mcgreg: at some point, I'd try grep -RF 'de_DE.UTF-8' /etc | grep 'LANG.*='
• 2980[21:25:35] <simbalion> it says /var is intended for files which are expected to change frequently but really, website files usually aren't frequently changed, except during development
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• 2982[21:26:22] <mcgreg> tw replaced-url
• 2983[21:26:35] <jelly> simbalion: if you treat each website as a separate service it might even make sense to have eg. /srv/replaced-url
• 2984[21:27:05] <simbalion> so my confusion is the same as before.. it seems to me that /var/replaced-url
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• 2986[21:27:28] <tw> mcgreg: same thing with your home directory instead of /etc?
• 2987[21:27:34] <simbalion> I know I can simply change it but I try not to mess with the standard deployment much
• 2988[21:27:43] <jelly> simbalion: /usr/local is for locally managed apps. No need to put _more_ crap there
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• 2990[21:28:05] <jelly> and /var/replaced-url
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• 2992[21:28:53] <jelly> my personal preference is directories for each VirtualHosts under /var/replaced-url
• 2993[21:28:55] <simbalion> jelly: Well I'm thinking of this from a hosting standpoint, and from that perspective placing a customer's website data in the local dir makes some sense.. honestly it seems to me that local never gets used these days... I use it on my personal workstations for apps that require manual installations, but otherwise it seems under-utilized to me
• 2994[21:29:06] <tw> simbalion: It's administrator preference. For example, my /var is noexec,nosuid,nodev but that would not work for /usr. I also have no files in /usr that are not owned by root:root
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• 2997[21:30:03] <jelly> simbalion: if it's not used, it means you didn't have to install crap locally and bypass the package manager. This is usually good.
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• 3001[21:31:26] <simbalion> a fair point
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• 3003[21:31:40] <simbalion> that would suggest it's a pristine sacred place that should usually remain untouched :)
• 3004[21:32:25] <jelly> depends on how well your repos serve your needs
• 3005[21:32:31] <simbalion> but if I think of a comparison it seems to me it would be like :/program\ files/ on a windows system, where all non-default-system apps would go
• 3006[21:33:08] <simbalion> but I guess /opt is used for that more frequently
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• 3008[21:34:07] <simbalion> maybe the fhs needs modernizing, it seems like there's more than one way to do some things but not because that's necessary, which means there's room to tighten up the standard
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• 3011[21:34:23] <teatime> the "best" place for that kind of data, IMHO, is /srv ... wherever under /srv you like, because /srv is reserved just for the local administrator and site data
• 3012[21:34:34] <teatime> /var/replaced-url
• 3013[21:34:52] <teatime> /usr/local is not a good place at all.
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• 3015[21:35:31] <teatime> simbalion: Just read the Linux FHS
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• 3018[21:36:38] <no_gravity> What are the 'standard system utilities'? Should I install them?
• 3019[21:37:19] <jelly> no_gravity: if you want a minimal system, no
• 3020[21:37:30] <no_gravity> jelly: ok
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• 3022[21:37:45] <no_gravity> jelly: But I will have apt-get so I can install whatever I like, right?
• 3023[21:37:48] <jelly> right
• 3024[21:37:52] <no_gravity> Awesome.
• 3025[21:37:57] <jelly> you'll basically only have apt :-)
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• 3027[21:38:17] <no_gravity> :)
• 3028[21:38:46] <jelly> ,depends task-standard
• 3029[21:38:47] <judd> No package named 'task-standard' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 3030[21:39:05] <no_gravity> I got a blue screen ...
• 3031[21:39:28] <no_gravity> It continued :)
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• 3036[21:42:17] <simbalion> I have another question I'd like to solicit opinions about.. Currently I configure servers like: /var/replaced-url
• 3037[21:42:19] <simbalion> files (requiring a lot more labor such as reconfiguring the webserver)
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• 3041[21:43:14] <simbalion> My thought is that with the second method I can run scripts that scan servers for /var/replaced-url
• 3042[21:44:14] <mcgreg> teatime jelly somiaj found it -> /home/mcgreg/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh was set wrong. thank very much!
• 3043[21:44:21] <no_gravity> Ok, I got Debian now. I cannot wget stuff via https because it seems there are not CAs on the system?
• 3044[21:44:58] <Wilawar> Hi. I have put a live image on a thumb drive and it seemed to work reasonably well. (I got screen flickering under some circumstances and so on, but I’ll tackle that later. It’s a NV98 (G 105M) which was driven by Nouveau here. No issues under Vista.)
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• 3048[21:46:52] <no_gravity> Ok, ca-certificates.
• 3049[21:47:12] <no_gravity> I wonder why the text of the debian terminal is grey on black.
• 3050[21:47:18] <Wilawar> I’d like to turn the live system into a permanent one now. I’ve already set up an ext4 partition from within the live system. (Which turned the FAT32 partition unreadable from Windows. :/) \
• 3051[21:47:18] <no_gravity> How do I change it to white on black?
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• 3055[21:47:59] <Wilawar> \ I have read the German version of replaced-url
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• 3067[21:56:49] <no_gravity> Hello! I installed a minimal debian in VirtualBox. The terminal font is grey on black. How can I change it to white?
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• 3076[22:07:46] <jelly> no_gravity: setterm --bold on --store
• 3077[22:08:21] <jelly> (that grey _is_ called white :-)
• 3078[22:08:37] <no_gravity> This magically changed to color to green: printf '\e{38;5;10m'
• 3079[22:08:39] <no_gravity> Green is ok :)
• 3080[22:08:56] <Iridos> 50 shades of white?
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• 3083[22:09:19] <jelly> no_gravity: avoid using hardcoded escape codes.
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• 3085[22:10:03] <jelly> you'll be on some other terminal type some day and it will wreak havoc
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• 3090[22:12:04] <jelly> use tput
• 3091[22:12:35] <tw> you can futz around with vt's defaults with kernel params too, fyi.
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• 3093[22:14:38] <Wilawar> “Regardless of the type of Debian Installer included, d-i can be launched from the Desktop by clicking on an icon.” Ah, huh! Will try that, I guess. replaced-url
• 3094[22:14:41] <jelly> no_gravity: or install openssh-server and log in via ssh like normal people, instead of using the horribly slow fb console
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• 3096[22:16:18] <jelly> the console is there for emergencies, it's not optimized for full time use at all
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• 3098[22:17:02] <jelly> even running a full screen xterm and nothing else inside X is a LOT better
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• 3103[22:19:27] <no_gravity> jelly: 'fb console'?
• 3104[22:19:55] <jelly> framebuffer console
• 3105[22:20:08] <no_gravity> I see. SSHing into the VM is an idea.
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• 3107[22:20:47] <jelly> and then you can start it with VBoxHeadless automatically as a service
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• 3110[22:20:58] <teatime> I need a simple tool to concat together several PDFs into one
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• 3113[22:21:24] <no_gravity> jelly: I see. Well, I just wanted to test a command line utility. Done already.
• 3114[22:21:45] <tw> teatime: gs will do it, but I can't say it's friendly to use.
• 3115[22:21:57] <jelly> teatime: pdfunite, poppler-utils
• 3116[22:22:07] <jelly> never tried it.
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• 3118[22:22:51] <towo`> pdftk should even do that
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• 3122[22:23:37] <tw> pdftk has the easiest syntax I've found, but the results can be sketch =/
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• 3125[22:23:53] <tw> pdftk 1.pdf 2.pdf cat output out.pdf
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• 3127[22:24:04] <jelly> meow
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• 3133[22:26:41] <Iridos> teatime, ah, cool, I'll try that… and I guess the account doesn't have to be passwordless… that'd be as wished
• 3134[22:27:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1522
• 3135[22:27:19] <Iridos> I from the nodm factoid, I thought nodm usually does some other stuff
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• 3137[22:28:29] <teatime> Iridos: you don't have to do any of the stuff from the factoid (except set graphical as default target)
• 3138[22:28:48] <teatime> Iridos: because when you dpkg-reconfigure nodm it will select it as the active DM and disable any others you may have installed.
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• 3147[22:32:59] <Iridos> yeah, just did that… booting to see how it works
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• 3152[22:34:13] <Iridos> meh, only that shutdown and reboot are also flakey on that laptop
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• 3158[22:36:05] <Iridos> teatime, urgh, but it logged me in as root
• 3159[22:36:10] <bgnr> Hi, can somebody point me to a latest debian distro that has gcc in it, so i can build a wifi usb dongle firmware to have net
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• 3161[22:36:35] <bgnr> I tried the latest firmware dvd iso and it didnt had gcc, i was unable to buil the driver
• 3162[22:36:45] <jhutchins> !gcc
• 3163[22:36:45] <dpkg> The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>. replaced-url
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• 3168[22:37:17] <bgnr> machine is isolated, only connectable trough usb or wifi usb
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• 3170[22:37:33] <ni291187> hoje
• 3171[22:37:43] <bgnr> hoje is today
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• 3173[22:37:50] <bgnr> in my home language :P
• 3174[22:38:05] <ni291187> hoje
• 3175[22:38:23] <jhutchins> bgnr: So what you're really asking for is which disk has gcc and dependencies on it.
• 3176[22:38:29] <bgnr> yep
• 3177[22:38:31] <bgnr> :)
• 3178[22:38:34] <ni291187> olá
• 3179[22:38:37] <bgnr> olá :P
• 3180[22:38:45] <ni291187> Pt?
• 3181[22:38:59] <bgnr> So i can build that driver, and afterwards get internet connection to the machine
• 3182[22:39:04] <jhutchins> bgnr: What's on which disk is a perpetually difficult question.
• 3183[22:39:08] <jhutchins> !pt
• 3184[22:39:08] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
• 3185[22:39:13] <bgnr> Olá, sim sou Português
• 3186[22:39:50] <bgnr> jhutchins , do you have any idea of a distro that has it
• 3187[22:39:59] <bgnr> i mean a debian version
• 3188[22:40:13] <ni291187> Boa estou á procura de kalilinux Chanel. sabes qual é?
• 3189[22:40:22] <bgnr> I really wanted to try debian, since i recently moved to linux
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• 3191[22:40:35] <bgnr> Não sei
• 3192[22:40:37] <bgnr> desculpa
• 3193[22:41:06] <ni291187> não tem problema, ora essa
• 3194[22:41:23] <jhutchins> bgnr: Maybe you could give us the model & chipset of the adapter we could help track it down.
• 3195[22:41:44] <ni291187> primeira vez por aqui ainda não sei bem a linguagem bios
• 3196[22:41:51] <metastable> ni291187: O canal Kali Linux pode ser encontrado em #kalilinux.
• 3197[22:41:52] <ni291187> do IRC
• 3198[22:42:16] <bgnr> hi jhutchins, i have the driver source
• 3199[22:42:45] <bgnr> its a dlink wireless n300 nano
• 3200[22:42:47] <jhutchins> bgnr: Build it on a machine that has internet/GCC?
• 3201[22:42:55] <ni291187> por isso torna se confuso saltar para outros chancela
• 3202[22:43:02] <jhutchins> !dlink
• 3203[22:43:02] <dpkg> D-Link is the worst wireless access point manufacturer, buy one if you don't want to walk over 30 feet away from the AP, or too special to bother to give their wireless cards unique names. To determine the chipset within a D-Link wireless LAN device, ask me about <what's my wireless>.
• 3204[22:43:23] <bgnr> im real noob, so i dont know how to get that installed version and port it
• 3205[22:43:41] <bgnr> i know how to configure, make and make install :P
• 3206[22:43:54] <ni291187> channel
• 3207[22:44:06] <jhutchins> bgnr: Are you running a different linux that has the driver?
• 3208[22:44:08] <Iridos> teatime, oh, it only asked me on the dpkg-reconfigure… thanks… wouldn't have occured to me … ever… that I have to reconfigure it because I wasnt asked the first time
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• 3210[22:44:18] <bgnr> this laptop is windowze
• 3211[22:44:22] <Iridos> even now this was by far not the first thing I tried
• 3212[22:44:29] <bgnr> recently i tried linux to play quakeworld, yep im a player
• 3213[22:44:33] <bgnr> and im loving it
• 3214[22:44:37] <jhutchins> bgnr: Yeah, you can't use that.
• 3215[22:44:48] <bgnr> some ppl recommended debian
• 3216[22:44:54] <bgnr> i downloaded, dd the iso
• 3217[22:44:57] <bgnr> and intalled etc
• 3218[22:45:06] <bgnr> but then i was with a scenario with no build tools
• 3219[22:45:12] <bgnr> wich i finded very weird
• 3220[22:45:20] <jhutchins> bgnr: /msg dpkg what's my wireless, try to figure out the chipset, see if the driver is available pre-built, and see if you need firmware.
• 3221[22:45:22] <bgnr> even tough it was a firware dvd version
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• 3223[22:45:26] <bgnr> with loads of stff
• 3224[22:45:42] <ni291187> good i think this
• 3225[22:46:19] <bgnr> jhutchins, actualy debian, recognized , i just didnt want to mentione it to dont increase further the confusion
• 3226[22:46:27] <bgnr> problem is with debian pre installed drivers
• 3227[22:46:31] <bgnr> connection never happened
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• 3229[22:46:40] <bgnr> it commnicated with that usb wifi dongle
• 3230[22:46:50] <bgnr> detected wifi ap
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• 3232[22:46:58] <bgnr> but was unable to connect to my hotspot
• 3233[22:47:05] <bgnr> i introduced pass
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• 3237[22:47:12] <jhutchins> bgnr: Possibly you need firmware, which you don't need to compile. Check dmesg.
• 3238[22:47:12] <bgnr> i tried diff settings on connection
• 3239[22:47:18] <bgnr> but was unable to make it
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• 3243[22:48:13] <bgnr> jhutchins, Thank you for all your time
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• 3245[22:48:39] <bgnr> You were so good
• 3246[22:48:52] <bgnr> atm i dont have acess to the debian ,machine
• 3247[22:48:55] <bgnr> i will see it later
• 3248[22:49:04] <bgnr> and i will try dmseg to see what im getting
• 3249[22:49:04] <jhutchins> Good luck!
• 3250[22:49:06] <bgnr> Thanks
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• 3252[22:49:08] <bgnr> :)
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• 3264[22:55:34] <Guest44216> hi. I've intalled an old version of glibc on stretch, and now I'd get the next error when i'd try to install / update / remove with apt-get : apt-get: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.18' not found (required by /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
• 3265[22:55:42] <Guest44216> somone knows what to do?
• 3266[22:55:52] <Guest44216> thanks =)
• 3267[22:55:57] <metastable> Why would you do that?
• 3268[22:56:04] <annadane> !frankendebian
• 3269[22:56:04] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 3273[22:56:52] <Guest44216> yeah its stupid. some program required the old version and my knowledge about glibc isnt that big
• 3274[22:57:10] <metastable> You basically destroyed that system.
• 3275[22:57:10] <Guest44216> kinda stupid
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• 3278[22:57:42] <Guest44216> so it cant be resolved
• 3279[22:57:43] <Iridos> your knowledge maybe just grew for about one "don't do that"
• 3280[22:58:23] <Iridos> hard to say
• 3281[22:59:12] <Guest44216> well i can reinstall the system... but i first would like to know if I could do something
• 3282[22:59:20] <Guest44216> otherwise there is no other option =)
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• 3290[23:03:18] <RayReddington> Hello? Is there anybody in there?
• 3291[23:03:22] <RayReddington> Just nod if you can hear me
• 3292[23:03:23] <abrotman> many people
• 3293[23:03:26] <RayReddington> GOod thank god
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• 3295[23:03:34] <RayReddington> I need help installing linux mint on an old ass mac mini 1.1
• 3296[23:03:41] <RayReddington> none of the tutorials ive tried work
• 3297[23:03:46] <RayReddington> i always get an error in the terminal commands
• 3298[23:03:49] <RayReddington> can anyone help
• 3299[23:03:53] <abrotman> RayReddington: What is the name of hte channel?
• 3300[23:03:59] <RayReddington> ok fine ill install debian
• 3301[23:04:02] <RayReddington> i have the iso its big
• 3302[23:04:09] <abrotman> try ##linux or ask the Mint people
• 3303[23:04:12] <RayReddington> and its named debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome-mac-mattgadient.com.iso
• 3304[23:04:19] <abrotman> that is not a debian installer
• 3305[23:04:23] <RayReddington> can i get a link
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• 3308[23:04:35] <abrotman> dpkg: mint
• 3309[23:04:36] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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• 3311[23:05:01] <RayReddington> ok fine ill use debian
• 3312[23:05:04] <RayReddington> but i need a link to the installer then
• 3313[23:05:11] <abrotman> dpkg: tell RayReddington about firmware images
• 3314[23:05:17] <abrotman> dpkg: tell RayReddington about ig
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• 3316[23:05:50] <RayReddington> i dont think its working
• 3317[23:05:52] <RayReddington> oh
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• 3320[23:07:29] <RayReddington> can someone walk me through it in dms?
• 3321[23:07:32] <RayReddington> this tutorial is huge
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• 3323[23:07:45] <no_gravity> So how do I ssh into a VM inside of VirtualBox?
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• 3328[23:09:06] <metastable> RayReddington: Have you considered reading through the documentation and trying it yourself, then asking specific questions if/when you encounter issues?
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• 3330[23:10:10] <RayReddington> ok problem one
• 3331[23:10:14] <RayReddington> where are the dl links for debian
• 3332[23:10:28] <metastable> A very brief Google search would yield that information.
• 3333[23:10:44] <RayReddington> i dont even know what to download
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• 3335[23:10:46] <RayReddington> a debian iso?>
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• 3338[23:11:33] <RayReddington> replaced-url
• 3339[23:11:35] <RayReddington> how am i supposed to download those
• 3340[23:11:55] <brw> no_gravity: Does the VM have an SSH server running?
• 3341[23:12:37] <bitess> RayReddington: sure you want the one for powerpc ? what kind of computer do you use?
• 3342[23:12:44] <RayReddington> its a mac mini 1.1
• 3343[23:12:51] <RayReddington> i cannot fuckin find the link for mac mini intel
• 3344[23:13:01] <metastable> Language.
• 3345[23:13:03] <no_gravity> brw: The Linux inside the VM? Yes, I installed it via 'apt-get install openssh-server'.
• 3346[23:13:15] <RayReddington> mac osx 10.4 (sorry for language) 1.66 intel core duo
• 3347[23:13:28] <RayReddington> can i get a link?
• 3348[23:13:43] <brw> no_gravity: ok, do you know if it is actually running?
• 3349[23:13:52] <metastable> You may not need a mac-specific version of the image.
• 3350[23:14:10] <RayReddington> so which one do i choose and how do i download whats literally just a bunch of hypertext links in a browser
• 3351[23:14:32] <brw> no_gravity: if you are on the box as root, run: netstat -tupan
• 3352[23:14:35] <no_gravity> brw: ps aux tells me sshd is running.
• 3353[23:14:36] <brw> sorry
• 3354[23:14:42] <brw> netstat -tupan | grep sshd
• 3355[23:14:46] <brw> then see if you see it in that li9st
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• 3357[23:15:18] <brw> if you do, then check your IP address that is assigned to the VM. If it is not on the same network as the VIrtual Box itself, you may need to configure the host to join the guest NIC to the main network as opposed to running some kind of NAT between it and the host.
• 3358[23:15:20] <metastable> Assuming that that Mac Mini supports BIOS emulation (Boot Camp), the normal i386 installer will work. You need to download an ISO and burn it to a CD/DVD, as I'm almost totally certain that Mac Mini won't boot from USB.
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• 3360[23:15:51] <metastable> RayReddington: That said, we're not here to serve as a substitute for your own research. We are a support channel to help with specific issues that your research alone cannot solve.
• 3361[23:16:01] <no_gravity> brw: no netstat on that machine.
• 3362[23:16:04] <RayReddington> I cant figure out any of the tutorials thats my issue
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• 3364[23:16:30] <brw> no_gravity: its part of the net-tools package
• 3365[23:16:39] <n4dir> RayReddington: is it still a ppc architecture ?
• 3366[23:16:45] <metastable> n4dir: No.
• 3367[23:16:47] <brw> no_gravity: It would be a useful package to have. But check your network config
• 3368[23:16:50] <n4dir> ah, good then.
• 3369[23:16:53] <brw> no_gravity: ifconfig -a
• 3370[23:16:54] <metastable> n4dir: He's on a Core Duo T2300.
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• 3373[23:17:23] <RayReddington> my mac mini just spit out a cd i tried to put in
• 3374[23:17:42] <no_gravity> brw: It has an IP but that seems to be not reachable from the host.
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• 3376[23:17:55] <Iridos> Guest44216, from what you say pretty much any command fails now… and it's not totally clear to me how you even managed to do that… there should be dependencies on a newer glibc
• 3377[23:18:01] <no_gravity> brw: inside the vm, I can ssh into it.
• 3378[23:18:07] <RayReddington> are you sure i cant boot from usb on mac mini?
• 3379[23:18:26] <metastable> RayReddington: Knowing how many of those tutorials are written, either you're not trying hard enough, or you lack the foundational computing knowledge required to understand the basics. I don't mean this as an insult. You might be trying to run before you can walk.
• 3380[23:18:54] <metastable> RayReddington: Without going into technicals, there are a lot of constraints on what a Mac will and will not boot from via USB, depending on system and age.
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• 3382[23:19:03] <RayReddington> ok if i wipe this disc of the illusionist can i put debian on it
• 3383[23:19:18] <brw> no_gravity: Are you on the same network as the host?
• 3384[23:19:23] <alkisg> no_gravity: what kind of VM, virtualbox, kvm? Is the emulated NIC in bridged or in NAT mode? If in NAT, did you enable port forwarding?
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• 3386[23:19:26] <brw> no_gravity: and is the guest IP on that same network as well?
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• 3388[23:19:42] <metastable> RayReddington: Almost certainly not. Movie DVDs are not writable.
• 3389[23:20:00] <RayReddington> ok
• 3390[23:20:02] <RayReddington> i have a blank dvdr
• 3391[23:20:05] <RayReddington> will that work
• 3392[23:20:10] <no_gravity> brw: I have no idea.
• 3393[23:20:16] <no_gravity> alkisg: VirtualBox
• 3394[23:20:26] <RayReddington> ok nope it just spits it out
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• 3397[23:20:35] <brw> no_gravity: when you do ifconfig -a on your guest, grab that IP address
• 3398[23:20:41] <brw> then look at the IP address of the virtual box
• 3399[23:20:45] <brw> are they on the same subnet?
• 3400[23:20:56] <alkisg> no_gravity: the default virtualbox options are "NAT mode", which then is not accessible by the server. Put it in "bridged mode", and restart the VM.
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• 3402[23:21:07] <no_gravity> brw: What do you mean by 'IP address of the virtual box'?
• 3403[23:21:28] <RayReddington> metastable: what do i need to look for for a cd
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• 3405[23:21:36] <RayReddington> metastable: the dvd r thats blank just gets spit out
• 3406[23:21:42] <no_gravity> alkisg: ok
• 3407[23:21:45] <brw> no_gravity: your VirtualBox is on a network, correctA?
• 3408[23:21:53] <no_gravity> brw: Not sure what you mean.
• 3409[23:22:35] <no_gravity> alkisg: That worked!
• 3410[23:22:39] <no_gravity> alkisg: Thanks man!
• 3411[23:22:41] <alkisg> np
• 3412[23:22:45] <no_gravity> alkisg: Any security implications?
• 3413[23:22:48] <brw> no_gravity: then I'm confused. If you are trying to SSH to a VM that is on VirtualBox, you certainly can't do that from outside the guest if nothing else is connected to a network.
• 3414[23:23:04] <metastable> RayReddington: Look... As I said before, we're not here to walk you through every stop of this because you don't know the basics. Macs are bizarre creatures and are finicky about what they will and won't run.
• 3415[23:23:16] <alkisg> no_gravity: now it's like a pc that is connected to your switch. So it's accessible by all your local pcs.
• 3416[23:23:16] <RayReddington> alright fuck it
• 3417[23:23:21] <RayReddington> ill just do a virtual machine
• 3418[23:23:28] <no_gravity> alkisg: Thats ok
• 3419[23:23:31] <metastable> Language. Don't make me say it again.
• 3420[23:23:39] <toli> hi, i have installed basic installation of stretch and now i cannot use my touch panel to reduce brightness or volume up and down on my thinkpad x1. before when i installed kde or gnome, everything worked just fine. well now i dont have a decent windows manager as i use i3 tile WM. do you know how i can fix the touch panel bar?
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• 3422[23:24:19] <alkisg> no_gravity: the other method is to put NAT again, and add "port forwarding" to vbox options for port 22, so that only your host can then access it. Whatever you prefer. It's documented in the chapter for vbox networking (in the pdf manual)
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• 3433[23:29:31] <RayReddington> will unetbootin work if i format the usb to msdos file system
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• 3435[23:30:20] <metastable> First, your Mac Mini will not boot the Debian installer from USB. I said that already.
• 3436[23:30:22] <metastable> Second...
• 3437[23:30:24] <metastable> !unetbootin
• 3438[23:30:25] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 3439[23:30:56] <RayReddington> well what do i need for a cd to boot it off of
• 3440[23:31:02] <RayReddington> the dvd r i have just gets spit out when i put it in
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• 3446[23:32:37] <RayReddington> ok i have an evga driver software disc
• 3447[23:32:39] <RayReddington> will this work lol
• 3448[23:32:45] <metastable> Then yours might be the old revision that can't write DVDs.
• 3449[23:32:55] <RayReddington> sooo im boned
• 3450[23:32:58] <RayReddington> 'theres no way to install linux
• 3451[23:33:01] <RayReddington> what about a netinstaller
• 3452[23:33:05] <annadane> slow. down. christ.
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• 3455[23:34:38] <RayReddington> well what other options do i have
• 3456[23:34:50] <RayReddington> i dont even have sound on this mac
• 3457[23:34:56] <RayReddington> i cant run any of the websites or apps that i want to
• 3458[23:35:15] <RayReddington> if someone could spare 30 minutes to run me through this i would love it
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• 3461[23:36:04] <metastable> Because this is not a 30-minute thing.
• 3462[23:36:18] <metastable> You're actually asking for someone to dedicate several hours to teaching you basic stuff and troubleshooting ancient hardware that isn't theirs.
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• 3465[23:36:31] <RayReddington> id pay you in a few weeks
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• 3467[23:36:33] <RayReddington> 10 bucks on paypal
• 3468[23:36:45] <brw> um
• 3469[23:36:46] <RayReddington> next next thursday
• 3470[23:36:56] <brw> I mean, this is entertaining and all....
• 3471[23:37:15] <hypn0> you can get a newer system for that :-)
• 3472[23:37:17] <metastable> Uh, yeah, my paid time is invoiced at $210 per hour.
• 3473[23:37:27] <RayReddington> a 10 dollar computer?
• 3474[23:37:28] <RayReddington> realllllyyy?
• 3475[23:37:36] <mhicklen> whoa whoa
• 3476[23:37:40] <mhicklen> we just did this in ##linux
• 3477[23:37:42] <RayReddington> i somehow doubt that
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• 3479[23:37:53] <mhicklen> someone came in with a 12 year old laptop that couldnt boot a 32bit linux iso from usb
• 3480[23:38:04] <RayReddington> and what happened
• 3481[23:38:05] <metastable> mhicklen: Deja vu.
• 3482[23:38:12] <brw> metastable: hehe, I was going to say I'll do it for $2K flat rate.
• 3483[23:38:20] <brw> and deliver back a working installation
• 3484[23:38:22] <metastable> brw: Might be about right. Ten hours.
• 3485[23:38:47] <RayReddington> brw what do you mean i can get a newer system for 10 dollars
• 3486[23:38:48] <mhicklen> RayReddington: well there was a language barrier
• 3487[23:38:59] <mhicklen> and their laptop is trash they ended up having to burn a small iso to a cd-r
• 3488[23:39:07] <brw> RayReddington: no, I mean that the computer may be $10, but the working system may be $2,000
• 3489[23:39:15] <mhicklen> RayReddington: whats happening when youre installing linux on your mac mini?
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• 3491[23:39:21] <RayReddington> well uhhh
• 3492[23:39:29] <RayReddington> unetboottin wont work cause it wont recognize the install
• 3493[23:39:33] <RayReddington> refit wont install even with the commands
• 3494[23:39:33] <mhicklen> dont use unetbootin
• 3495[23:39:35] <metastable> Nothing. He keeps asking for someone to handhold him to even get that far.
• 3496[23:39:37] <mhicklen> dont use refit
• 3497[23:39:39] <mhicklen> what are you doing
• 3498[23:39:43] <mhicklen> step 1 download iso
• 3499[23:39:47] <annadane> either use cp or dd or win32diskimager
• 3500[23:39:47] <mhicklen> step 2 ??? what did you do ???
• 3501[23:39:53] <mhicklen> step 3 slap usb or cd into mac mini
• 3502[23:40:01] <RayReddington> mhicklen can you link an iso
• 3503[23:40:05] <RayReddington> i cannot find a debian iso for the life of me
• 3504[23:40:06] <mhicklen> what distro
• 3505[23:40:09] <mhicklen> dont use debian
• 3506[23:40:23] <mhicklen> you my friend, you will want ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
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• 3508[23:40:23] <metastable> His Mac Mini won't boot stuff from USB with few exceptions.
• 3509[23:40:29] <RayReddington> oooook
• 3510[23:40:33] <RayReddington> im willing to try it meta
• 3511[23:40:35] <annadane> please don't actively not recommend debian
• 3512[23:40:52] <annadane> not that i'm sticking up for debian but it isn't constructive
• 3513[23:41:01] <metastable> This has now jumped the shark. You don't want Debian, you want something that has the exact same constraints as Debian because ????? magical reasons.
• 3514[23:41:13] <hypn0> get a pi zero $7?
• 3515[23:41:20] <RayReddington> i just need someone to hold my hand so ill go with his os
• 3516[23:41:25] <RayReddington> lets do it in private mhicklen
• 3517[23:41:27] <mhicklen> annadane: nah sometimes you can tell a user will have a better time on buntu
• 3518[23:41:38] <metastable> Your funeral. This is now off-topic.
• 3519[23:41:43] <metastable> #ubuntu is ---> that way.
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• 3521[23:42:04] <brw> haha
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• 3524[23:42:41] <annadane> and ray, if you're going to use linux PLEASE learn to slow down
• 3525[23:42:46] <annadane> rushing problems leads to more problems
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• 3536[23:49:06] <n4dir> the debian wiki says you will need the debian-mac-XXX-netinst.iso. , but i for one sure can't find it. It also says to , first of all, upgrade the firmware. last but not least: "The oldest Mini (macmini1,1) is typically the most problematic, "
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• 3543[23:51:33] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 3545[23:52:28] <annadane> RayReddington, ^
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• 3549[23:53:24] <n4dir> macs are sure a pain, and to help me trough it i always was happy to have a pal from the forum at my site, which walked me through the problems (those were ppc's though).
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