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66 [01:00:57] <rant> It seems at some point over the last few years the typical behavior of scrollbar widgets in gtx apps has changed to clicking on the scroll bar seeks to the clicked position rather than just pgup/pgdn based on if you click above/below the seek bar.. anyone know how to revert that behavior?
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82 [01:13:38] <ardualabs> No, but now that you mention it, I'd be interested myself.
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99 [01:32:24] <rant> yeah its just a little annoying when you've used a widget on nearly a dozen different systems for decades then suddenly it works differently, not even mentioning on slower systems jumping to a different spot in a page like that causes severe UI lag cause the prgrams only reload the next content not the whole page when there isnt enough ram
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242 [04:17:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded my backup server to Stretch and now the Bacula director service terminates with "No bacula-director SQL package installed" but one is.
243 [04:17:53] <Pegasus_RPG> Why is it still saying that?
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265 [04:49:46] <AkQ> is there a script generator in internetz where i could choose what repos to install and after i've done choosing, it would generate me a script to run and it would install all those things that i chose?
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344 [06:37:31] <Dungeon> hey guys i have nginx trying to come up on my server on port 8080. originally it was there to answer as a database manager. i had used the apt-get purge nginx but its still poping up from somewhere. can someone assist me in running down whatever is starting it and where from?
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347 [06:42:51] <teatime> `dpkg -l | grep -i nginx` to see if any pkgs are installed, `pgrep -a nginx` might get you a full path if it's installed from source etc., or `sudo updatedb; locate bin/nginx`
348 [06:43:03] <RoyK> chekck ps axf
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357 [06:59:10] <Dungeon> the didnt show anything
358 [06:59:19] <Dungeon> and im running it as root
359 [07:00:15] <Dungeon> the db command did though /opt/ng99/sbin/nginx
360 [07:00:52] <teatime> looks like manually installed software
361 [07:01:45] <Dungeon> i run a lamp setup when i setup the server
362 [07:01:51] <Dungeon> from debians page
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364 [07:02:18] <Dungeon> but im being accused of botnetting because they can telnet to 8080
365 [07:02:58] <RoyK> did you install this thing?
366 [07:03:03] <Dungeon> i told them i thought thats where the db manager was but they kept complaining its not been accessed that i can tell by looking at the who command
367 [07:03:10] <Dungeon> but that doesnt say much
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369 [07:03:39] <RoyK> reinstall it, then
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371 [07:03:44] <RoyK> setup something clean
372 [07:04:04] <Dungeon> i just dont have the time and have been really sick and in bed
373 [07:04:14] <Dungeon> i run an ultima shard on the server
374 [07:04:39] <Dungeon> i have a utility installed that i might could run and clean out the db all together :)
375 [07:05:01] <Dungeon> but if someone can give me an assist on stopping it and or getting rid of it, im down
376 [07:05:22] <RoyK> I really don't care, but if you have nginx installed somewhere you didn't install it, something is obviously wrong
377 [07:05:42] <RoyK> debian packanges don't install into /opt
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379 [07:06:17] <teatime> Dungeon: "systemctl list-unit-files | grep -i nginx" perhaps
380 [07:06:31] <teatime> Dungeon: it's hard to tell you what to do when you don't remember what you did to set it up originally
381 [07:06:56] <Dungeon> i ran a setup that i believe installed it as a db manager i setup for these new cms's
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383 [07:07:18] <Dungeon> ya i know right? and its been a little over a year i believe since it was done
384 [07:07:48] <Dungeon> lost my dad and have been sick on top of it myself. been a rough few years no lie
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388 [07:09:57] <Dungeon> ots of stuff listed in the systemctl
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391 [07:11:08] <acidtripper> systemd is for dummies
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393 [07:12:01] <Dungeon> on the grep command its like its hung
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395 [07:12:39] <teatime> did you type it correctly
396 [07:12:41] <teatime> it's all one command
397 [07:12:44] <Dungeon> i managed to get the dns working and the apache and registered for free certs and several other things and that was about it
398 [07:12:49] <teatime> sigh
399 [07:13:00] <Dungeon> lol
400 [07:13:12] <Dungeon> im sorry
401 [07:13:51] <Dungeon> root@host:/# systemctl list-unit-files | grep -i nginx
402 [07:13:51] <Dungeon> root@host:/#
403 [07:13:56] <Dungeon> nothing
404 [07:14:31] <JustASlacker> killall nginx -s9
405 [07:14:33] <JustASlacker> ^_°
406 [07:14:54] <JustASlacker> is it running at all? pgrep nginx
407 [07:15:01] <Dungeon> i find its pid number with netstat and kill it
408 [07:15:29] <JustASlacker> ok. could use fuser and pgrep as well
409 [07:15:30] <Dungeon> kill -9 command and it reopens itself 4 times 1 pid above where its at then it will stay closed a bit and restart
410 [07:15:59] <JustASlacker> just do a killall
411 [07:16:05] <Dungeon> nginx: no process found
412 [07:16:19] <awal1> dpkg --auto-deconfigure --purge gnome-tweak-tool
413 [07:16:19] <dpkg> awal1: wish i knew
414 [07:16:31] <Dungeon> is the echo that come back with the killall command
415 [07:16:32] <awal1> sorry
416 [07:16:46] <JustASlacker> Dungeon: well, that means there is no nginx anymore
417 [07:17:42] <JustASlacker> I hope that was the plan
418 [07:17:44] <Dungeon> root@host:/# updatedb; locate bin/nginx
419 [07:17:47] <Dungeon> ./opt/ng99/sbin/nginx
420 [07:17:55] <Dungeon> its still showing that
421 [07:18:09] <teatime> that finds files on the filesystem
422 [07:18:10] <Dungeon> and yes that will work :)
423 [07:18:12] <JustASlacker> well, yeah, you just killed the process. the files will still be on disk
424 [07:18:18] <Dungeon> wish it was gone i tried to purge it
425 [07:18:32] <JustASlacker> purge will only remove stuff installed by pkg managment
426 [07:18:36] <JustASlacker> that looks handcrafted
427 [07:18:46] <JustASlacker> /opt/ng99 ?
428 [07:18:51] <Dungeon> i used apt-get purge nginx last month
429 [07:19:11] <JustASlacker> does not matter if it was installed in a different way, without apt
430 [07:19:36] <JustASlacker> also, just apt purge, nowadays
431 [07:20:03] <Dungeon> i did run a custom lamp setup so i cant say it wasnt me
432 [07:20:20] <JustASlacker> I would not believe you anyway
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434 [07:21:12] <Dungeon> so inside the directory opt/ng99 we have html mime.types sbin var
435 [07:21:39] <Dungeon> inside the var is a run folder
436 [07:21:50] <Dungeon> there is a pid.nginx
437 [07:22:19] <Dungeon> so by removing that it wont start by itself at least correct?
438 [07:22:21] <Dungeon> :)
439 [07:22:32] <JustASlacker> what is the endgame? what are you trying to do?
440 [07:22:57] <Dungeon> technically i just need it not to start at the minimum
441 [07:23:22] <Dungeon> need to be nosey and pay it a bit of attention if i can tolerate this infection in my back
442 [07:23:46] <JustASlacker> that can be tricky. you could move /opt/ng99 to /opt/delme
443 [07:24:02] <Dungeon> i put clam on it after resolving an issue that made me pull my hair out trying to purge nginx originally but havent run it
444 [07:24:06] <JustASlacker> that should be the end of pretty much any startup script
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446 [07:24:16] <Dungeon> aye
447 [07:24:22] <Dungeon> ok
448 [07:24:32] <Dungeon> thats a nice start
449 [07:29:12] <Dungeon> ok i created a new dir called delme and moved the ng99 dir into it :)
450 [07:29:35] <JustASlacker> just /opt/ng99 /opt/delme would have done it
451 [07:29:38] <JustASlacker> err
452 [07:29:48] <JustASlacker> just "mv /opt/ng99 /opt/delme" would have done it
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500 [08:10:22] <acidtripper> debhelper, why always setting channel limit?
501 [08:10:34] <teatime> it's a bot.
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504 [08:10:52] <acidtripper> i know :P
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511 [08:16:31] <somiaj> acidtripper: it is to stop mass joins of bots, so the bot is constnatally changing the limit to be a few more than the current number of people.
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513 [08:18:03] <acidtripper> channel if full-of bots
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515 [08:18:16] <acidtripper> beside debhelper attiude
516 [08:18:29] <acidtripper> besides
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519 [08:19:48] <acidtripper> people is the only force can deal bots
520 [08:20:09] <acidtripper> bots cant fight bots
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524 [08:20:53] <somiaj> no need to go too of topic with comments. Though there are a fair number of bots floating around. (:
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527 [08:24:31] <acidtripper> channel politics kill bots, neither bots.
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544 [08:43:21] <choice> Hello! What does it mean when I get this after 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'? 'The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-amd64'
545 [08:43:36] <oskie> choice: try apt-get dist-upgrade
546 [08:43:51] <choice> oskie: Why?
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548 [08:44:39] <towo^work> or apt upgrade
549 [08:44:40] <gpunk> because it is an upgrade
550 [08:45:01] <choice> What will happen if I don't?
551 [08:45:16] <towo^work> you never get the ficed kernel
552 [08:45:21] <towo^work> *fixed
553 [08:45:22] <gpunk> then it wont get installed
554 [08:45:33] <choice> How would it affect me?
555 [08:45:47] <gpunk> .. look at the changelongs
556 [08:46:06] * towo^work is whispering spectre, meltdown
557 [08:46:24] <choice> Why don't they deploy the fix via 'apt-get upgrade'?
558 [08:46:30] <towo^work> and what's the problem with using dist-upgrade
559 [08:46:30] <alkisg> choice: in short, "apt-get update" is the wrong command to do
560 [08:46:37] <alkisg> It means "don't properly update my system"
561 [08:46:40] <towo^work> choice, read the manpage
562 [08:47:08] <towo^work> choice, and learn the differnce between abp and apt-get
563 [08:47:14] <towo^work> *apt
564 [08:47:16] <alkisg> dist-upgrade doesn't mean "go to the next distro version", it means "do a proper update"
565 [08:48:05] <towo^work> and that's why, apt knows full-upgrade
566 [08:48:36] <somiaj> choice: apt-get upgrade will not install new packages with the upgrade, and the recent kernel update due to an abi change, requires you to install a new package.
567 [08:49:00] <towo^work> but apt upgrade would do
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569 [08:49:25] <somiaj> or aptitude upgrade = aptitude safe-upgrade, they use different logic. They will install new packages, but not remove packages to satsify an upgrade.
570 [08:50:36] <towo^work> or apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs
571 [08:50:39] <somiaj> choice: it is just rare in stable that one needs to install a new package in an upgrade. Kernel abi changes are one of the very few exceptions.
572 [08:50:50] <towo^work> would even work, but that's the default for apt upgrade
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575 [08:51:33] <choice> somiaj: I have been maintaining this system for years. Always uses 'apt-get upgrade'. If I use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' now, will crazy stuff happen?
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577 [08:52:06] <somiaj> choice: again read the man page, the difference is what you allow apt to do during the upgrade. Provided you only have stable sources in your system no.
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579 [08:53:02] <somiaj> choice: dist-upgrade will let apt do whatever it can figure out to preform an upgrade (Which could remove half your system). upgrade, won't allow installing of new packages or removing of packages. and apt upgrade (the suggested method for end users these days) will install new packages, but won't remove any packages.
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582 [08:53:29] <choice> somiaj: So you would suggest I run 'apt upgrade'?
583 [08:53:49] <somiaj> choice: but the (remove half your system) would only be due to having bad sources in your sources.list, it will not just do that because it is fun.
584 [08:54:10] <somiaj> choice: yes, apt is meant to be a more end user replacement for apt-get, and apt-get is kept around to have a stable abi and for scripts.
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586 [08:55:01] <choice> somiaj: I have 'jessie main', 'jessie/updates main contrib non-free', 'jessie/updates main contrib non-free', 'jessie-backports main' and 'stretch main' in my /etc/apt/sources.list
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588 [08:55:44] <somiaj> choice: you should for the most part be fine (jessie-backports isn't as well tested as the other sources, but provided you only install a few things from there, would be fine)
589 [08:56:02] <towo^work> jessie and stretch in the sources
590 [08:56:36] <somiaj> oh yea, nevermind, I totally missed you have stretch in your sources. You most likely arne't running jessie anymore.
591 [08:56:40] <choice> towo^work: Yes. Not sure why. stretch is only sources though. 'deb-src replaced-url
592 [08:56:53] <somiaj> choice: as a deb-src that is fine, it won't affect binary packages.
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595 [08:57:53] <choice> Man, this sounds dangerous.
596 [08:58:49] <somiaj> choice: simple answer, just run apt. so 'apt upgrade' and you'll be fine.
597 [08:59:08] <towo^work> does jessie have apt?
598 [08:59:23] <somiaj> I think so, I think it was introduced in jessie.
599 [08:59:26] <choice> somiaj: This server has 50k users. So I rather think twice before doing new stuff.
600 [09:00:17] <somiaj> towo^work: yea, the jessie package for apt contains /usr/bin/apt
601 [09:00:31] <somiaj> choice: you'll be fine, apt upgrade is probabaly safer than 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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603 [09:00:50] <somiaj> choice: though both would work just fine, provided you have decent sources.list, which it appears you do.
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606 [09:01:51] <somiaj> or as towo^work also mentioned, apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade would work too
607 [09:02:31] <choice> If I go the 'apt upgrade' route from now on, would I do 'apt update && apt upgrade'?
608 [09:02:53] <somiaj> choice: correct
609 [09:03:25] <somiaj> choice: apt is meant to be a replacement for apt-get, for the most part you can replace apt with apt-get.
610 [09:05:34] <choice> What was the rationale of replacing apt-get?
611 [09:06:20] <somiaj> choice: it is not a full replacement. Multiple reasons, one is apt-get is used in scripts, and as such must have a very stable set of options and behavior. Thus apt-get cannot be changed without causing a lot of mess to important scripts.
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613 [09:07:20] <choice> somiaj: The new behaviour is something else then apt-get could do via its options?
614 [09:07:29] <somiaj> choice: second, was, between apt-get, and apt-cache there were lots of common commands that could be united in a single binary. so apt is an end user tool that has most the functionliaty of apt-get and apt-cache, but for an end user (not a script). As such it has simplifed options, it makes nicer output on the screen (including color), and over all is what a user running the command ni a terminal should
615 [09:07:35] <somiaj> use. apt-get is left around to be stable and for scripts.
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617 [09:08:17] <somiaj> choice: it is mostly in output and options, if you look at man apt-get, you'll get overwhelmed by options that only an very advanced user or script would even want. apt has removed these, and tries to provide a simpiler interface for an end user, while provided the same functionlaity.
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619 [09:12:06] <towo^work> apt also have some other defaults
620 [09:12:21] <towo^work> so apt is not archieving downloaded packages
621 [09:12:45] <choice> towo^work: My systems are full of archived packages?
622 [09:12:52] <towo^work> sure
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624 [09:13:06] <towo^work> if you do not have used apt-get clean some times
625 [09:13:12] <somiaj> choice: check /var/cache/apt/archives, apt-get by default won't delete these, apt will (But you can change this)
626 [09:14:05] <choice> 4GB of stuff on my desktop machine.
627 [09:14:11] <choice> I can just rm * it?
628 [09:14:12] <somiaj> choice: note the differences it not that apt-get couldn't do these things, it is that they don't want to change what apt-get does due to scripts, so apt gives the matainers more freedom to remove/change defaults without causing tourmoil downstream.
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630 [09:14:18] <somiaj> choice: or run apt-get clean
631 [09:14:33] <somiaj> or apt-get autoclean, if you want to have a cache of only the most latest version of the packages on your system.
632 [09:14:43] <choice> apt-get clean deleted them :)
633 [09:14:55] <choice> Why would I want a cache?
634 [09:15:19] <somiaj> choice: various reasons, but maybe for someone running stable, not that important.
635 [09:16:03] <somiaj> I personally like it, when running testing, makes downgrading very easy as I have a copy of the older packages, I can also copy the packages to other machines and not have to redownload them each time (though one should really use apt-cacher-ng for something like that)
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645 [09:20:32] <choice> Trying it on my least important server now ...
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647 [09:22:35] <choice> Strange that checkrestart does not find anything after installing a new kernel.
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651 [09:23:42] <somiaj> choice: dpkg -l | linux-image (you see the -5 kernel installed) which is different than the -4 kernel you are running with uname -a
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655 [09:24:19] <choice> somiaj: dpkg -l gives me a wall of text.
656 [09:24:33] <choice> uname -a tells me I'm on kernel 3.
657 [09:24:37] <somiaj> choice: arg, I mean dpkg -l | grep linux-image (just see what linux images you are on)
658 [09:24:52] <somiaj> oh jessie, sorry, I forget what kernels jessie has.
659 [09:24:59] <choice> rebooted now
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661 [09:26:27] <choice> The machine still works :)
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663 [09:26:53] <somiaj> it should, changeing from apt-get to apt isn't going to change the actual packages your system has available
664 [09:27:13] <choice> Ok. It also changed the kernel though.
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667 [09:28:11] <choice> Progressing to a copy of my production server now. Lets do the apt dance there...
668 [09:28:39] <lastaid> hello. i have a quick questio. replaced-url
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673 [09:30:28] <somiaj> lastaid: debian is not raspbian, so I would doubt it is the raspbian image.
674 [09:30:45] <choice> somiaj: Strange, on that system, after apt-update, uname -n gives me kernel 4.4 but dpkg shows kernel 3.16.
675 [09:30:48] <somiaj> lastaid: there is #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net that might have a better understanding of what that image is and how it is diffrent.
676 [09:31:18] <choice> somiaj: So apt update caused the kernel to go from 4.4 to 3.16?
677 [09:31:31] <somiaj> choice: is 3.16 the only kernel installed in the list 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image', that sounds like an outdated jessie-backports kernel.
678 [09:31:54] <somiaj> choice: no. You would have to have manually install that 4.4. kernel from jessie-backports.
679 [09:32:03] <somiaj> choice: (or you are on a vps sharing a kernel with the host)
680 [09:32:30] <choice> somiaj: Yes, it shows 3.16 three times in dpkg -l and no other versions.
681 [09:32:37] <choice> somiaj: Yes, all my machines are VPS.
682 [09:33:15] <somiaj> choice: depending on the virtualizing system (such as xen or openvz) the kernel you see in uname -a could be from the host.
683 [09:33:42] <choice> somiaj: I should still go the 'apt upgrade' route?
684 [09:33:46] <lastaid> somiaj: thank you, i will look there
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686 [09:34:34] <somiaj> choice: again, apt and apt-get are just slightly different in terms of logic and features. Provided your sources are only stable, you'll be fine.
687 [09:34:56] <somiaj> choice: so the kernel thing or even what packages get installed is more likely due to your configuration/sources.list than if you use apt vs apt-get
688 [09:35:17] <choice> somiaj: Ok. Why is there a difference in kernels between dpkg and uname?
689 [09:35:23] <somiaj> and by logic, I meant default, they use the same libapt backend for logic.
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691 [09:35:59] <somiaj> choice: ls /boot, do you see the 4.4 kernel? If not it is due to the virtualization. As I said, some virtualization systems use the hosts kernel (or kernel provided by the host) not the guest.
692 [09:36:26] <somiaj> but you'll have to ask your host/vps provider about such deatils like that.
693 [09:36:48] <choice> somiaj: in /boot there is the 3.16 kernel
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696 [09:37:30] <somiaj> from what you have said, I see no reason to think you have a 4.4 kernel installed, so this is most likely due to your VPS. Contact your host for more info on this.
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698 [09:37:50] <somiaj> and this maybe why check install isn't thinking you need to reboot, since you are running the host's kernel, not your own.
699 [09:38:01] <somiaj> sorry checkreboot or whatever you were running
700 [09:38:07] <choice> somiaj: Why does uname -a output 4.4? Where does it get that info from?
701 [09:38:08] <versuchsanstalt> I am trying to disable ipv6 on a remote sshd. How can I check if ipv6 is really disabled?
702 [09:38:36] <somiaj> choice: how many times are you going to make me repeate, 'it is most likely from your host', and to check your VPS provider for details?
703 [09:39:15] <choice> somiaj: Well, uname is a program. It will read that info from somewhere in the file system I guess. So my question was where it is looking at.
704 [09:39:16] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: ip a, should let you know if you have any ipv6 address assigned to any of your interfaces. To me that should be disabled enough. (and I would ignore lo)
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707 [09:39:52] <somiaj> choice: it is reading info from your memeory about the kernel you have booted into memeory.
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709 [09:40:12] <choice> somiaj: Ok, so in memory there is a different kernel then in /boot. Interesting.
710 [09:40:48] <versuchsanstalt> somiaj: Thank you for the suggestion. I'd rather not disable ipv6 system wide in order to not break other services. My goal is to disable ipv6 with sshd only.
711 [09:41:09] <choice> somiaj: Wouldnt apt update install the wrong dependencies then if it thinks I run a different kernel?
712 [09:41:25] <somiaj> choice: I think you should take a bit longer to try to understand what you have been told. You are most likely using your host kernel.
713 [09:41:52] <somiaj> choice: apt doesn't care what kernel you are running. apt only knows what packages are installed and what is in the sources.list as I have said. this has nothign to do with apt/apt-get.
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715 [09:42:06] <versuchsanstalt> But what I'm trying to do now is checking if I have been successful... :-)
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717 [09:42:17] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: maybe 'ss' can tell you if you have sshd listening on an ipv6 address or not, I'm not sure the best wayt ot track that down.
718 [09:42:26] <choice> somiaj: Isn't it installing the wrong stuff then in relation to the kernel in my memory?
719 [09:42:43] <versuchsanstalt> maybe tell the client to use v6 explicitly, expecting it to fail...
720 [09:43:02] <somiaj> choice: ...
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722 [09:43:21] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: well you could ip a, get your ipv6 address of your interface and try to ssh to that address.
723 [09:44:06] <choice> somiaj: apt thinks I'm on kernel 4.4, right? But in reality it's kernel 3.16. I wonder why this is not causing problems.
724 [09:44:17] <somiaj> choice: apt knows nothing about what kernel you are running.
725 [09:44:39] <somiaj> choice: I really don't want to explain how a kernel works, go read on google.
726 [09:44:41] <versuchsanstalt> if I try to verify client side I'd rely on the assumption that the client could actually connect using v6 if the server was well configured. Assumptions are a bad way to check.
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728 [09:45:03] <versuchsanstalt> but thank you a lot, somiaj
729 [09:45:37] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: you should be able to try it from the host, just like if I went 'ssh 192.168.1.1' this would work on the host, and only work if sshd was listening on that address.
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731 [09:46:07] <somiaj> choice: apt/dpkg only know what packages you have installed.
732 [09:46:36] <somiaj> (and yes, on may systems you need a kernel to be installed, but when you are using your hosts kernel, this is a different setup). You should contact your VPS if you want to know how they configure things.
733 [09:46:38] <versuchsanstalt> somiaj: ahh, great. that looks quite elegant actually.
734 [09:46:40] <somiaj> I'm only guessing.
735 [09:46:43] <choice> somiaj: All the packages are compatible with kernel 3.16 *and* kernel 4.4?
736 [09:47:14] <somiaj> choice: all -- no, almost all -yes, and the ones that aren't you won't care about anyways.
737 [09:47:39] <choice> Ok .. final step: rebooting my production server...
738 [09:47:49] <somiaj> choice: my guess is your vps has been running this different kernel the whole time, and it has worked this whole time.
739 [09:47:52] <choice> If this goes wrong, 50000 people will cry.
740 [09:48:02] <somiaj> choice: you most likely don't need to reboot since you are using the hosts kernel.
741 [09:48:25] <choice> Well, better reboot now then at some point in the future when something else goes bonka.
742 [09:48:29] <somiaj> choice: well don't take random advise from people ont he internet. Contact your VPS, you pay them, they should support you.
743 [09:49:04] <choice> somiaj: I don't think they employ people. Companies don't do that anymore. They only run machines these days.
744 [09:49:10] <somiaj> they will also know far better how their virtualization is setup. I'm just giving you my best educated guess.
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747 [09:49:40] <choice> The only place where people still meet is a cozy fireside place called irc.
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750 [09:50:16] <plop1342> Hi
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753 [09:50:51] <plop1342> I have exchanged a secret key (a 128bit integer) with a friend
754 [09:51:03] <plop1342> (we'll reproduce the exchange later with a 256 one)
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756 [09:51:22] <plop1342> is there an easy way from CLI to encode a sentence with this 128bit integer?
757 [09:51:40] <plop1342> echo "hello world" |encode -key 98379813091830981903091093
758 [09:51:47] <plop1342> something like that?
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760 [09:53:19] <somiaj> plop1342: replaced-url
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762 [09:55:28] <plop1342> somiaj: i already saw gpg but it seems it requires a key in a specific format
763 [09:55:44] <somiaj> there was also openssl in that list, those are the two main tools in linux
764 [09:55:48] <plop1342> here we only have the 128 bit
765 [09:55:57] <plop1342> or 32 char hex
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767 [09:56:31] <somiaj> this isn't a debian specific question, you may find better answers in ##linux or maybe someplace that support encryption for other tools, but gpg and openssl seem to be the main two encryption tools in linux.
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769 [09:56:45] <somiaj> there maybe other simplier ones for your needs, but I don't know of any.
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771 [09:58:58] <Unit193> openssl aes-256-cbc -in file.txt -out file.enc is one such call.
772 [09:59:28] <plop1342> Unit193 which parameter is the key?
773 [09:59:54] <Unit193> It'll ask for an encryption key.
774 [10:00:00] <Unit193> Phrase*
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778 [10:03:21] <choice> Ok, production server seems to work well too after the apt upgrade.
779 [10:03:26] <choice> Thanks everybody!
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783 [10:04:03] <somiaj> choice: really very little to nothign should change using apt vs apt-get.
784 [10:04:14] <choice> Awesome, thanks.
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805 [10:09:10] <plop1342> thanks Unit193
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816 [10:14:57] <michal__> hello, I have problem with filezilla, libreoffice. Both are rendering very slow, but only if goole-chrome is running
817 [10:15:04] <michal__> on debian jessie
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820 [10:16:48] <ichi634> maybe replaced-url
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823 [10:17:36] <somiaj> or why not just install chormium from debian's repo.
824 [10:17:53] <somiaj> michal__: do you have the same issue using debian's chromium intead of google-chrome?
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826 [10:18:27] <michal__> i have chromium installed, but used to use chrome instead. will try chromium now
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833 [10:21:13] <michal__> again slow, using chromium
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836 [10:21:42] <ichi634> there are at least few chrome alternatives , i woudnt use chromium because is partly closed source and extensively privacy invading
837 [10:21:54] <ichi634> chrome
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840 [10:23:02] <somiaj> ichi634: closed source? Can you point out specificlly what in the debian chromium package doesn't meet the DSFG? If so this is a policy bug.
841 [10:23:08] <michal__> I'm using chrome as web developer, using their web developer tools, not only for browswing
842 [10:23:09] <somiaj> DFSG
843 [10:23:36] <ichi634> sorry , i was refering chrome only ;)
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846 [10:23:46] <bitlan> hi
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850 [10:25:45] <bitlan> i tried run apache in chroot, but after mount proc, i can't start, systemctil fails
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852 [10:25:48] <bitlan> root@vm-lab:/mnt# chroot /mnt/debian/
853 [10:25:51] <bitlan> root@vm-lab:/# systemctl start apache2
854 [10:25:53] <bitlan> Running in chroot, ignoring request.
855 [10:25:58] <bitlan> any sugetsions ?
856 [10:26:24] <somiaj> bitlan: check systemctl status apache2 to see why it failed. Do you already have a webserver running on port 80 or replaced-url
857 [10:26:57] <bitlan> I all commands execute in chroot
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859 [10:27:08] <bitlan> systemctl status apache2 response the same text
860 [10:27:11] <bitlan> root@vm-lab:/# systemctl status apache2
861 [10:27:11] <bitlan> Running in chroot, ignoring request.
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863 [10:27:42] <somiaj> ahh, I'm unsure why systemctl doens't want to run in a chroot. Lets ask google.
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867 [10:28:26] <somiaj> replaced-url
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870 [10:29:27] <ploc> I'm trying to add gnome-shell shorcuts using .desktop files, but shortcuts do not appear in applications list. Anyone has already done that?
871 [10:30:36] <somiaj> ploc: I think you have to add a tag of some sorts to the .desktop file to be detected as an application by the list, can't give more details than that though.
872 [10:30:49] <somiaj> ploc: maybe check one of the system .desktop files that apepar in the list and see what options they use.
873 [10:31:02] <bitlan> somiaj: thank's i will check this
874 [10:31:54] <somiaj> bitlan: The explination there that made sense to me was systemctl asks pid 1 (systemd) to do the work, which is outside the chroot. The top answer gives multiple solutions to deal with this.
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886 [10:37:57] <bitlan> somiaj: thanks, before systemd, chroot is easeier to run :)
887 [10:38:31] <somiaj> bitlan: there is actually a nicer solution than a chroot at that link I liked, but overall, it is different, once you realize how to deal with this difference, you'll be fine.
888 [10:38:39] <somiaj> change requires learning something new.
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890 [10:39:12] <somiaj> (well an alternative to running a chroot for a container with systemd.
891 [10:40:04] <somiaj> haha, well this archwiki author sure likes it, systemd-nspawn is like the chroot command, but it is a chroot on steroids.
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903 [10:45:32] <ploc> somiaj: I already copied the .desktop file from another one
904 [10:45:48] <somiaj> ploc: where did you place the .desktop file?
905 [10:46:58] <ploc> somiaj: here: ~/.local/share/applications
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909 [10:49:00] <somiaj> ploc: unsure, everything sounds reasonable.
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911 [10:49:35] <ploc> somiaj: thanks anyway
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927 [10:54:05] <Dungeon> hey buys?
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933 [10:55:36] <Dungeon> hey @teatime you around by chance still?
934 [10:56:37] <Dungeon> i renamed the directory to delme and its recreated in a folder where it was originally also. duplicates. so now i need to dig a bit more and yank a tooth
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938 [10:57:48] <teatime> Dungeon: I would encourage you to confirm it's actually something you set up, and not evidence that you've been owned.
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941 [10:58:06] <Dungeon> my certs havent changed in ssh
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947 [10:58:55] <Dungeon> so if it was purged where is it hidden?
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950 [11:00:22] <teatime> "purge" refers to debian packages managed by apt. which does not include anything in /opt
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952 [11:00:46] <Dungeon> alright and how do we find and remove it?
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954 [11:01:39] <Dungeon> wish i was on my laptop i had most everything i did to that server bookmarked but im not and i need that to be gotten rid of
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964 [11:08:07] <tmm88> hey guys
965 [11:08:12] <tmm88> use this replaced-url
966 [11:08:22] <tmm88> i made it with a lot of passion and love for the community
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976 [11:17:13] <petn-randall> tmm88: Some words for improvement: Many of those scripts can be replaced by aliases.
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978 [11:18:56] <petn-randall> tmm88: Also, I don't think people will use things like installpwgen.sh to install pwgen, it's just easier to remember the apt command.
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980 [11:19:42] <petn-randall> tmm88: Also, this here is just plain dangerous: replaced-url
981 [11:19:58] <petn-randall> tmm88: You don't want to and you shouldn't upgrade your complete system to backports.
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988 [11:22:03] <RoyK> petn-randall: looks more like spam if you ask me
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991 [11:22:16] <Dungeon> how do i find where this nginx is serving from and get rid of it?
992 [11:22:40] <RoyK> in the config?
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994 [11:23:00] <petn-randall> RoyK: Indeed, the more I look at it, the more it looks like spam ... those commit messages *cringe*.
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996 [11:23:14] <teatime> petn-randall: I just assumed there was a rootkit in there somewhere.
997 [11:23:41] <RoyK> quite possible
998 [11:23:45] <teatime> Dungeon: BTW, I googled '/opt/ng99' to see if I could find your tutorial or whatever, and I beleive you have a rootkit as well.
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1009 [11:33:18] <Dungeon> ill probably end up doing it
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1012 [11:33:50] <Dungeon> however ive not seen anyone actually in the server and need to get it shut down
1013 [11:34:19] <petn-randall> Dungeon: What do you mean with you've "not seen anyone actually in the server"?
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1019 [11:35:44] <Dungeon> paying attention to who is logged in and following the last log hit and miss
1020 [11:36:29] <petn-randall> Dungeon: To verify if it's a rootkit? I can 100% assure you that if it is, it won't announce its presence via wmtp.
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1022 [11:37:22] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Did you install a nginx in /opt/ng99/? If not, from a quick google search this is indeed a rootkit mostly spread in hungary.
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1024 [11:38:18] <RoyK> perhaps time for a reinstallation ;)
1025 [11:38:32] <Dungeon> when i have time in the very near future
1026 [11:38:45] <Dungeon> until then that has got to be pulled like a bad tooth
1027 [11:38:51] <Dungeon> my certs havent changed
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1029 [11:39:06] <RoyK> if you have a rootkit, that future should be around *now*
1030 [11:39:18] <Dungeon> they would have changed in ssh if someone wouldve run a kit on it
1031 [11:39:19] <RoyK> otherwise they'll steal your passwords and everything
1032 [11:39:52] <RoyK> but hell - your choice
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1034 [11:40:40] <Dungeon> yes and itll be redone before long
1035 [11:40:54] <Dungeon> however i got to stop that nginx from starting
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1038 [11:41:12] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Errr, I think you don't understand how rootkits work. SSH keys don't change if you install a rootkit on a machine.
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1040 [11:41:53] <petn-randall> Dungeon: I also completely agree with RoyK, if there's a rootkit, you need to take that machine offline *now* and boot from trusted media to get any data back.
1041 [11:41:56] <Dungeon> no?
1042 [11:42:11] <Dungeon> i thought running 1 would corrupt a security key
1043 [11:42:28] <Dungeon> there is no taking it down now
1044 [11:42:36] <Dungeon> it has been like this 2 months
1045 [11:43:08] <teatime> you are not only doing yourself a disservice, but also your users.
1046 [11:43:11] <Dungeon> 2-3 and ive been in bed for 40 days with a back infection so ive not been up much to do it
1047 [11:43:24] <Dungeon> its just a game server on it
1048 [11:43:39] <Dungeon> and yes if its something i didnt put up i know my src is at risk
1049 [11:43:52] <Dungeon> i know i know i know
1050 [11:43:52] <f-a> hello, my machine (a thinkpad x60) has two buttons to regulate volume. Is there a way to control them via software?
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1052 [11:44:02] <Dungeon> i got to stop the nginx from starting
1053 [11:44:07] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Your call. If it's been rooted and is spreading malware, your ISP will take it down for you.
1054 [11:44:16] <petn-randall> Dungeon: And might bill you for it.
1055 [11:44:18] * petn-randall shrugs.
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1057 [11:44:28] <f-a> I am running a script and want to "turn volume up", but just giving the command to alsamixer doesn't cut it, the "hardware" volume matters too
1058 [11:44:38] <Dungeon> this isnt at my house
1059 [11:45:08] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Sure, it's running in some datacentre. They'll still take it down for you if you don't fix the issue *now*.
1060 [11:45:45] <petn-randall> Dungeon: You've been told how to fix it. We won't help you keeping up a malware-infested machine in any way.
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1067 [11:47:29] <Dungeon> there is no proof my machines still been tampered with. the port theyre claiming is open is one that i had set to a database manager so my brother and a couple others could install cms web pages without me having to do it. however they didnt even have any pages on them well linked to any sql
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1069 [11:48:15] <RoyK> Dungeon: really - if you have a rootkit, that's like what they may call a virus or a troyan - why would you leave it and do nothing?
1070 [11:48:25] <Dungeon> the program holding the port is an nginx process and its popping up even though i tried purging it
1071 [11:48:41] <Dungeon> so im looking for a way to shut down the nginx server
1072 [11:48:54] <Dungeon> and cant seem to get anyone to help me locate it
1073 [11:49:05] <RoyK> there's no reason there should be anything in /opt unless you've installed it manually
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1075 [11:49:12] <teatime> we found it; you deleted it; it resurrected itself; that is incredibly suspicious.
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1077 [11:49:16] <RoyK> so just reinstall, please
1078 [11:49:25] <Dungeon> when i redo my new lamp server you can bet ill have the stuff bookmarked on my workstation at home instead of a crummy laptop
1079 [11:49:37] <teatime> I wish you luck.
1080 [11:49:45] <Dungeon> i did install a bunch of manual shit when i did the lamp config
1081 [11:50:00] <Dungeon> sever pages of tutorials i installed on it over 3-4 days
1082 [11:50:06] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Then there's even less we can help you with, unfortunately.
1083 [11:50:14] <Dungeon> and my free certs the day after that
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1085 [11:50:42] <Dungeon> oh? you cant tell me how to locate it and get rid of the nginx?
1086 [11:50:42] <petn-randall> Dungeon: We don't know which tutorial you followed, and that wouldn't have been the recommended way if you had asked in here.
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1088 [11:51:48] <Dungeon> its not just 1
1089 [11:52:14] <petn-randall> Dungeon: So you say you deleted /opt/ng99? And it appeared again?
1090 [11:52:21] <Dungeon> i just want to find and remove the njinx
1091 [11:52:44] <Dungeon> i took and made a delme dir and moved the ng99 folder in there
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1093 [11:53:05] <petn-randall> and then?
1094 [11:53:13] <Dungeon> did it in midnight commander while i was looking at somethings
1095 [11:53:23] <RoyK> hm - there was a command to check all files for checksums in debian, wasn't there?
1096 [11:53:27] <Dungeon> and 4 hours later strangly it restarted
1097 [11:53:35] <Dungeon> recreated that default dir
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1099 [11:53:47] <Dungeon> it only had like 2 -3 files in it
1100 [11:53:49] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Then I'm 100% sure you got a rootkit, if nobody else did it.
1101 [11:53:56] <Dungeon> that wasnt nginx directory
1102 [11:54:06] * RoyK sings along *lalala* and smiles to Dungeon
1103 [11:54:09] <Dungeon> ok but that doesnt make a shit :/
1104 [11:54:26] <Dungeon> that doesnt shut down nginx right now without delay does it?
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1106 [11:54:29] <Dungeon> its almost 5am
1107 [11:54:30] <RoyK> Dungeon: really - just reinstall
1108 [11:54:33] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Can you paste the output of 'find /opt/ng99' to replaced-url
1109 [11:54:35] <Dungeon> AND ID LOVE SOME FN REST
1110 [11:54:39] <teatime> RoyK: see the dpkg manpage, --verify option
1111 [11:54:48] <petn-randall> RoyK: debsums also works.
1112 [11:54:52] <Dungeon> paste the output?
1113 [11:54:56] <RoyK> debsums, yes
1114 [11:54:57] <teatime> RoyK: it isn't *all* files, though.
1115 [11:54:58] <RoyK> thanks
1116 [11:55:02] <Dungeon> you mean the files that are in it?
1117 [11:55:10] <RoyK> teatime: only executables needed
1118 [11:55:19] <RoyK> I have my own for checking it all
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1120 [11:56:04] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Well, I mean run that command, and paste the output of it to that site.
1121 [11:56:17] <Dungeon> i dont see any file except the pid.nginx
1122 [11:56:22] <teatime> is there an easy way to revert a single configuration file to its original/default? or even better not revert in-place, for easy comparison.
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1125 [11:56:55] <JustASlacker> ug
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1127 [11:57:06] <JustASlacker> teatime: what file?
1128 [11:57:14] <teatime> any, general question.
1129 [11:57:15] <Dungeon> and a bunch of folders in a ng99/var/proxy dir
1130 [11:57:44] <petn-randall> Dungeon: I specifically asked for the output, not for an interpretation.
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1133 [11:58:41] <Dungeon> how to get the output?
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1135 [11:58:43] <BanHammor> hi! Debian 9 uses the "eth0"-like interface naming convention, right?
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1137 [11:59:10] <teatime> BanHammor: no, by default it has moved to the 'persistent-names' style.
1138 [11:59:50] <petn-randall> Dungeon: 1) Run 'find /opt/ng99' 2) Copy that output to replaced-url
1139 [12:00:03] <teatime> BanHammor: replaced-url
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1144 [12:00:58] <teatime> s/persistent/predictable/
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1148 [12:01:56] <Dungeon> bummer deal
1149 [12:02:06] <Dungeon> i had deleted it and killed the process
1150 [12:02:13] <BanHammor> oh, so basically if i upgraded from jessie, it will continue using classic names.
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1152 [12:02:16] <Dungeon> let me get you that of the delme dir
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1154 [12:03:01] <petn-randall> BanHammor: Correct.
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1156 [12:03:29] <petn-randall> BanHammor: That's to ensure that your system doesn't break because all the firewall rules, etc. don't match anymore.
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1159 [12:05:05] <BanHammor> hm, i still seem to have the old rules despite not having anything in /etc/udev/rules.d
1160 [12:06:05] <petn-randall> Dungeon: Btw, what OS release are you running?
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1162 [12:06:48] <Collaken> hey, can anyone give me a hint why my cinnamon suddenly keeps crashing?
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1164 [12:07:12] <towo^work> Collaken, solar flares?
1165 [12:07:23] <petn-randall> Collaken: What OS release is this?
1166 [12:07:30] <Collaken> i did not do any (real) changes on my system ... now it keeps crashing, for example ALWAYS when i turn on the connected tv
1167 [12:07:49] <Collaken> my os should be more or less up to date
1168 [12:08:04] <Collaken> i guess theres a command to get the exact version?
1169 [12:08:16] <Collaken> let me google that ^^
1170 [12:08:34] <petn-randall> Collaken: Can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' to replaced-url
1171 [12:08:53] <Collaken> 9.3
1172 [12:09:07] <Collaken> okay, one moment pls
1173 [12:09:18] <Dungeon> whats the uname switches to get the version?
1174 [12:09:23] <Dungeon> my brain isnt working
1175 [12:09:26] <Dungeon> replaced-url
1176 [12:09:57] <Dungeon> wait -a
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1179 [12:10:37] <Dungeon> Linux myhostname 4.14.12-x86_64-linode92 #1 SMP Fri Jan 5 15:34:44 UTC 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1181 [12:10:48] <Dungeon> lol
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1184 [12:11:34] <petn-randall> Dungeon: That's not the OS version, though. You can paste the output of 'apt-cache policy'.
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1188 [12:13:53] <Collaken> i got the output in a file, but stucked in an cinnamon-crash-loop right now XD
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1191 [12:14:06] <xuxx> hi
1192 [12:14:11] <Collaken> its hard to do stuff when no window or something is responding XD
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1195 [12:14:49] <xuxx> Do one of you guy know a little bit about c language ?
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1198 [12:15:18] <Dungeon> replaced-url
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1201 [12:15:57] <Dungeon> some but not much. trying to pick up on csharp currently because its what the majority of scripting is written in
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1205 [12:16:30] <edgar> so, kidn of a dumb quesiton but is there an msbuild in the repositories?
1206 [12:16:39] <xuxx> replaced-url
1207 [12:16:46] <edgar> or a package that has msbuild?
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1210 [12:17:27] <petn-randall> xuxx: You might want to ask in a C development channel, this one is for Debian support.
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1212 [12:17:43] <petn-randall> xuxx: /join ##c
1213 [12:17:55] <BanHammor> edgar, apt-file says no.
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1215 [12:18:03] <Collaken> replaced-url
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1217 [12:18:06] <Collaken> im back!
1218 [12:18:15] <BanHammor> i'm not entirely sure how msbuild would work in linux either
1219 [12:18:29] <Collaken> and there should be the output of apt-get policy
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1221 [12:18:48] <edgar> why didn't i just run apt search... there is a package called that under libmono
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1224 [12:19:32] <petn-randall> Collaken: So what "unreal" changes did you do that might have caused the crashes?
1225 [12:19:39] <Collaken> so apt-get policy gives recently used mirrors?
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1227 [12:20:34] <Collaken> fyi, when i clicked on a button on this paste-website my cinnamon also crashed
1228 [12:21:03] <Collaken> i have no idea why, im more or less a novice in linux usage and was so happy with my running system xD
1229 [12:21:42] <towo^work> what graphics crad you have and what graphics drivers you use?
1230 [12:21:56] <Collaken> nvidia gtx 970
1231 [12:22:13] <Collaken> and well, my drivers worked perfectly for 6 months ^^
1232 [12:22:32] <Collaken> i even reinstalled them yesterday as a try to solve my issues
1233 [12:22:39] <towo^work> that was not my question
1234 [12:22:50] <Collaken> true, sorry
1235 [12:23:13] <Collaken> i try to figure out the exact name and version number, one moment pls
1236 [12:23:17] <towo^work> and what exactly is crashing? only cinnamon or the whole x?
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1239 [12:24:22] <Collaken> it says something like "cinnamon just crashed and is in fallback mode. do you want to restart cinnamon"
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1242 [12:26:55] <Collaken> kernel driver in use: nvidia
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1246 [12:27:19] <Dungeon> so did you see those 2 pastes i did from debian?
1247 [12:27:24] <Dungeon> not trying to rush ya
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1252 [12:32:08] <Collaken> | NVIDIA-SMI 375.82 Driver Version: 375.82
1253 [12:32:53] <towo^work> Collaken, pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia and your Xorg.0.log
1254 [12:33:36] <Collaken> ok
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1256 [12:35:09] <Collaken> replaced-url
1257 [12:35:37] <Collaken> this is the dpgk.... output, im looking for the xorg log now
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1263 [12:37:27] <Collaken> replaced-url
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1289 [12:52:30] <Collaken> petn-randall: i installed a programm called "Blender"
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1291 [12:52:54] <Collaken> its an open source 3d render software
1292 [12:53:31] <lapio> it's a nice piece of software
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1294 [12:53:56] <lapio> the movie "hardcore henry" had special effects made with blender
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1322 [13:14:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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1325 [13:17:27] <BanHammor> aft'noon
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1327 [13:17:30] <Collaken> hi BluesKaj, are you an expert on cinnamon crashes?
1328 [13:17:43] <Collaken> im desperatly looking for help
1329 [13:17:44] <Collaken> xD
1330 [13:17:44] <BluesKaj> Collaken, nope
1331 [13:17:57] <BanHammor> isn't there a cinnamon IRC?
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1333 [13:18:05] <Collaken> really? haha
1334 [13:18:09] <Collaken> ill google that
1335 [13:18:21] * BluesKaj is a KDE/Pasma guy
1336 [13:18:35] <BluesKaj> Plasma even
1337 [13:18:53] <BanHammor> maybe a phasma guy too? :)
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1339 [13:19:19] <Collaken> well. one single guy in cinnamon channel XD
1340 [13:19:53] <BanHammor> what about the IRC they suggest in replaced-url
1341 [13:20:13] <BanHammor> if you got a crash dump they might just help
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1343 [13:21:58] <Collaken> already tried to find that
1344 [13:22:22] <Collaken> normally i get along in a few hours on my own and google :D
1345 [13:22:29] <Collaken> but this time im **********
1346 [13:22:33] <Collaken> :D
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1351 [13:26:32] <Collaken> okay ... just to be sure ive got these outputs of whatever:
1352 [13:26:49] <Collaken> replaced-url
1353 [13:26:49] <Collaken> xorg.0.log
1354 [13:26:49] <Collaken> replaced-url
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1364 [13:29:46] <Collaken> im back, everything crashed/freezed again ^^
1365 [13:30:21] <Collaken> so nobody has an idea what to do? so i have to fight my way trough the set up of a new os ^^
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1375 [13:34:21] <BanHammor> Collaken, well, Xorg.log doesn't show any errors
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1377 [13:34:54] <Collaken> but cinnamon crashes EVERY time i turn on my second monitor, for example
1378 [13:34:58] <Collaken> with random crashes
1379 [13:35:04] <BanHammor> so this problem must be local to cinnamon. Maybe ~/.xsession-errors?
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1381 [13:35:13] <Collaken> i have a look
1382 [13:35:45] <petn-randall> Collaken: What does "crash" exactly mean in this case? What happens?
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1384 [13:36:01] <BanHammor> i also am bound by duty to let you consider switching to a DE that has an IRC channel at least :P
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1386 [13:36:17] <Collaken> replaced-url
1387 [13:36:55] <Collaken> petn-randall: it shows a message
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1389 [13:37:04] <Collaken> cinnamon just crashed and is in fallback
1390 [13:37:11] <Collaken> restart y / n
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1392 [13:37:17] <Collaken> if restarted, sometimes it works
1393 [13:37:21] <Collaken> sometimes crashloop
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1401 [13:43:30] <DanteD> How can I list enabled services that have failed/exited?
1402 [13:43:45] <petn-randall> DanteD: 'systemctl'
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1404 [13:43:56] <bites> enable or restart?
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1406 [13:44:07] <bites> eh, i can't read.
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1410 [13:44:14] <DanteD> petn-randall: Yeah, but can one only show those services?
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1412 [13:44:46] <DanteD> To quickly check if there are issues or to even mail the info to sysadmin
1413 [13:45:08] <petn-randall> DanteD: Have a look at the man page, it has parameter to filter just those.
1414 [13:45:32] <petn-randall> *a
1415 [13:46:24] <Collaken> brb
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1421 [13:48:07] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
1422 [13:48:07] <SanchoPensa> I am in some sort of next to worst case scenario, and I urgently require your assistance, please...:
1423 [13:48:07] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
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1427 [13:50:47] <babilen> SanchoPensa: You shouldn't rely on sda/sdb/... but on filessytem UUIDs
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1429 [13:51:38] <babilen> Maybe just edit your fstab and grub configuration to use UUIDs
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1433 [13:53:00] <SanchoPensa> babilen: in fstab you mean? i do.
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1435 [13:53:38] <SanchoPensa> or, do i??
1436 [13:53:40] <SanchoPensa> sec
1437 [13:56:55] <DanteD> These man pages are so cryptic. 'systemctl if-failed *' prints 'inactive' four times while I'd like names of failed services
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1451 [14:04:17] <cybrNaut> ,v i2p
1452 [14:04:18] <judd> Package: i2p on amd64 -- buster: 0.9.32-2; sid: 0.9.32-2
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1460 [14:08:27] <SanchoPensa> babilen: even worse, i have it mixed...
1461 [14:08:27] <SanchoPensa> is this the reason, why it doesn't work, or was that more, like a general statemen?
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1467 [14:09:33] <Collaken> SanchoPensa: can you repost your fstab?
1468 [14:10:06] <SanchoPensa> Collaken: no, sorry, I am on a different computer right now, that we are talking about...
1469 [14:10:16] <SanchoPensa> than
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1471 [14:10:37] <Collaken> ah ok, i made a fstab succesfully a few month ago ^^ sorry for that
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1474 [14:11:25] <SanchoPensa> Collaken: no, no, it is me, who is sorry, I would like to pot that, but i'd have to hand-copy it, letter by letter...
1475 [14:11:40] <Collaken> :-D
1476 [14:11:53] <SanchoPensa> right?
1477 [14:11:55] <babilen> SanchoPensa: It could very well be related to your problem which is why I mentioned it
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1479 [14:12:35] <SanchoPensa> let me put it this way; it does absolutely make sense, what babilen says. not to see the wood from the trees, after so many hours...
1480 [14:13:20] <SanchoPensa> babilen: yes, thank you for the hint, m8, i will gather those uuids, and swap the fstab entries.
1481 [14:13:25] <SanchoPensa> will take a while.
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1486 [14:14:35] <babilen> I mean once you have your devices (once again) correctly and uniquely identified it might "just work"™
1487 [14:14:40] <babilen> If it doesn't you continue there
1488 [14:14:47] <High_Priest> guys, I'm getting this warning for any apt repository I add: W: The repository 'replaced-url
1489 [14:15:19] <SanchoPensa> babilen: roger that! :)
1490 [14:15:21] <High_Priest> I'm trying to install nodejs & npm
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1492 [14:15:34] <SanchoPensa> thanks so far!
1493 [14:16:08] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Also remember to rebuilt your initramfs (update-initramfs -u) as it might have devices messed up
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1495 [14:16:40] <earl_> hi
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1499 [14:18:45] <earl_> Why can't I use "apt-get install" to download software all the time?it's always 0%
1500 [14:19:04] <JustASlacker> uh?
1501 [14:19:12] <JustASlacker> needs more information
1502 [14:19:35] <SanchoPensa> babilen: it sure does...
1503 [14:19:52] <earl_> Software can not be downloaded from a software source.
1504 [14:19:53] <alkisg> earl_: are you normally using a proxy? If yes, you need to tell apt to use it too
1505 [14:19:57] <SanchoPensa> and I haven't even begun the ops upgrade... :D
1506 [14:20:02] <babilen> I'd also suggest to always turn your hardware off when working on it ;)
1507 [14:20:18] <earl_> may be,wait a minute
1508 [14:20:20] <babilen> dpkg: tell earl_ -about bat
1509 [14:20:29] <babilen> earl_: Please paste to replaced-url
1510 [14:20:30] <SanchoPensa> chances are, after thqat, my graphics adapter won't work... or at least not without the frimware pack...
1511 [14:20:55] <babilen> Firmware is packaged in Debian non-free
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1513 [14:21:39] <alkisg> babilen: what does "bat" stand for?
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1515 [14:22:02] <SanchoPensa> babilen: yes thanks, i burnt that one to dvd just about an hour ago...
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1517 [14:22:10] <babilen> alkisg: "basic apt troubleshooting"
1518 [14:22:13] <alkisg> ty :)
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1520 [14:23:01] <earl_> Paste the finished
1521 [14:23:22] <SanchoPensa> scares mi kinda, though.. you know, babilen, it is a quadcore computer with some 4 gig ram and some 4 terrabyte hdds in total. it may be 9 yrs old, but hey! i am on linux, that the hcek more do I need? :D
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1523 [14:23:52] <SanchoPensa> it now I broke it... duuh...
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1526 [14:24:16] <alkisg> earl_: now you're supposed to paste the URL here, is it this one? replaced-url
1527 [14:24:37] <High_Priest> anyone has any ideas how to overcome this issue and/or get npm installed on stretch?
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1530 [14:25:09] <earl_> alkisg:yes
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1532 [14:25:56] <JustASlacker> High_Priest: #Node.js ?
1533 [14:26:17] <alkisg> earl_: mirrors.163.com doesn't sound like a proper debian mirror
1534 [14:26:23] <High_Priest> thanks JustASlacker
1535 [14:27:04] <alkisg> Use another mirror
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1537 [14:27:13] <angelo> hi
1538 [14:27:16] <angelo> please
1539 [14:27:17] <babilen> deb.debian.org would be an option
1540 [14:27:28] <angelo> I need help with gnome-screensaver
1541 [14:27:39] <babilen> angelo: What kind of help?
1542 [14:27:43] <earl_> okay.let me try
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1546 [14:28:50] <angelo> sorry
1547 [14:29:04] <angelo> I cannot setup it in the panel, no config
1548 [14:29:28] <angelo> then power management works only when logged out from gnome
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1550 [14:30:19] <earl_> alkisg: I commented it out, and then "sudo apt-get update", perfect solution, thank you very much.
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1553 [14:31:56] <Collaken> SanchoPensa: you broke it?
1554 [14:32:42] <Collaken> SanchoPensa: where is the problem? is it a bind mount or something?
1555 [14:33:12] <Collaken> SanchoPensa: as a newbie i had to figure out how this worked with ntfs partitions. maybe theres a problem?
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1557 [14:34:19] <SanchoPensa> Collaken: long story... to make it short, i was in the process of swapping a few hdds, when I accidentally broke it, yes. now the hdd order is a mess, but I think, babilen just pointed me in the right direction.
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1560 [14:34:47] <Collaken> you have to adress your hdds by UUID i guess
1561 [14:34:55] <SanchoPensa> Collaken: no, bro it's what fstab mounts, and what it acually should mount
1562 [14:35:02] <SanchoPensa> hehehe
1563 [14:35:12] <SanchoPensa> yes, i guess, you guessed right...
1564 [14:35:29] <Collaken> wait, there was a command
1565 [14:35:36] <Collaken> i guess blkid or something like that
1566 [14:35:42] <Collaken> it shows you the UUIDs
1567 [14:35:54] <SanchoPensa> nice one, thanks! :)
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1569 [14:36:25] <Collaken> it is blkid
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1571 [14:36:36] <SanchoPensa> (y<)
1572 [14:36:42] <Collaken> but on my system you have to sudo
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1575 [14:37:58] <Collaken> gl
1576 [14:38:18] <SanchoPensa> luck has fortunately nothing to do with it... :)
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1584 [14:42:28] <SanchoPensa> Collaken: do you happen to have the command for them labels too?
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1588 [14:43:26] <babilen> SanchoPensa: "lsblk" should answer all your questions
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1590 [14:43:59] <babilen> "lsblk -o name,mountpoint,label,uuid" in particular
1591 [14:44:07] <babilen> (but check its manpage)
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1594 [14:44:26] <FukFukFukFukFuk> i <3 fetish porn
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1600 [14:46:18] <dka> I have this error , how can i solve it :
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1602 [14:46:18] <dka> W: GPG error: replaced-url
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1604 [14:47:14] <babilen> dka: Ask dockerproject.org people where they provide their apt keys and how to configure their repository
1605 [14:47:16] <SanchoPensa> babilen: and once more thanks!
1606 [14:48:02] <SanchoPensa> oh, and does anybody by any chance know, how to scroll up and down in the command history of the rescue shell?
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1609 [14:48:52] <babilen> dka: replaced-url
1610 [14:49:01] <sdk> SanchoPensa: shouldn't pageup/pagedown work?
1611 [14:49:02] <babilen> replaced-url
1612 [14:49:09] <babilen> ^ Debian rather
1613 [14:49:33] <babilen> replaced-url
1614 [14:49:40] <SanchoPensa> sdk: hehe, i wish... produces ^[[A
1615 [14:49:47] <tys101010_> Günter?
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1617 [14:49:58] <SanchoPensa> Dörte?
1618 [14:50:06] <tys101010_> Dörte!
1619 [14:50:12] <SanchoPensa> Günter!
1620 [14:50:14] <tys101010_> long time no see;)
1621 [14:50:17] <babilen> Störtebeker!
1622 [14:50:18] <petn-randall> o_O
1623 [14:50:26] <SanchoPensa> :D
1624 [14:50:26] <babilen> But please .. take it to #debian-offtopic
1625 [14:50:32] <tys101010_> sure
1626 [14:50:38] <SanchoPensa> sorry!
1627 [14:50:43] <petn-randall> Or get a channel you two! ;)
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1630 [14:51:15] <babilen> #ganzalleinmitgunter
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1632 [14:52:14] <SanchoPensa> na kommta, oder wat? :D
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1635 [14:53:55] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: You're not in #debian-offtopic yet ....
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1638 [14:54:54] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: i was in #alleinmitgunter, though..
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1665 [15:05:11] <valdez> hi. is there any way to make dkms echo compiler commands (like running 'make' would) when doing apt-get install <module>-dkms?
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1670 [15:09:20] <Brigo> valdez, i usualy run dpkg-reconfigure dkms-package.
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1678 [15:10:39] <Brigo> valdez, dkms autoinstall, is probably what you want, but check the man page for more.
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1706 [15:24:17] <valdez> Brigo: dkms building is triggered automatically during bootstrapping a rootfs (using multistrap). and it takes quite a while to compile one module, so i figured i could look for a way to make it verbose. i don't run it manually
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1718 [15:26:28] <c8bitglitch> Does anyone have expierence with Netflows and a collector?
1719 [15:26:39] <c8bitglitch> I have a few questions.
1720 [15:26:44] <petn-randall> c8bitglitch: Better ask your real question then.
1721 [15:26:53] <ioudas^work> I do
1722 [15:27:07] <c8bitglitch> petn-randall, so with Netflow would I be able to see Layer 7?
1723 [15:27:14] <c8bitglitch> ioudas^work, ^
1724 [15:27:30] <c8bitglitch> I understand networking monitor from a OID is different from FLow based monitoring
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1726 [15:27:45] <c8bitglitch> however, I am looking for the capability for billing.
1727 [15:27:55] <c8bitglitch> based on type of traffic source and DST Ip addresses
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1729 [15:28:03] <c8bitglitch> without having to ue a PROXY
1730 [15:28:10] <c8bitglitch> to get the internal IP address of the SRC
1731 [15:28:46] <c8bitglitch> Already graphing bandwidth usage with Nagios.
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1737 [15:33:11] <jelly> c8bitglitch: netflows in general do not collect data, only metadata, src and dst ip is layer 3 and you do get that info
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1740 [15:34:11] <jelly> c8bitglitch: ask in ##networking if you haven't already
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1742 [15:34:28] <c8bitglitch> jelly, I have not... very new to IRC... let me look in the networking channel
1743 [15:34:32] <c8bitglitch> jelly, thank you
1744 [15:34:41] <lastaid> my troubles have evolved. smsc95xx: unknown parameter 'macaddr' ignored apparently means that my network interface never comes up?
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1748 [15:35:47] <petn-randall> lastaid: It would help if you add some context, I can't see any previous message from you in my backlog.
1749 [15:35:50] <petn-randall> !ask
1750 [15:35:50] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1752 [15:37:20] <lastaid> petn-randall: i had trouble with raspbian and the serial interface. turns out its a kernel up specific to the raspberry pi kernel. now i booted into debian testing aarch64 and the serial bug is gone. but i cannot get the network interface working
1753 [15:38:13] <petn-randall> lastaid: Why Debian testing and not stable?
1754 [15:38:40] <lastaid> because i could not find a build for the raspberry pi aarch64
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1777 [15:56:51] <valdez> is there any debian metapackage that provides all the common networking utilities like ping, traceroute, tracepath, arp, etc?
1778 [15:57:23] <valdez> i see a number of iputils-* and inetutils-*, but those are in fact separate packages
1779 [15:57:44] <valdez> the goal is to pull a single thing to grab all the common networking tools
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1781 [15:59:53] <petn-randall> valdez: There isn't such a thing. It would probably also cause endless debates on what should go in there, and what shouldn't.
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1784 [16:02:39] <jer0me> hey there, running up to date debian stable (bpo 4.14), I have these annoying console-kit error messages that I can't trace back to an application: Feb 8 16:02:03 marvin console-kit-daemon[1600]: console-kit-daemon[1600]: GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 2267 was not found when attempting to remove it
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1786 [16:02:58] <jer0me> Any idea how to diagnose the origin of the problem?
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1789 [16:03:29] <valdez> petn-randall: gotcha
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1791 [16:03:40] <jer0me> Actually, messages log file has "Feb 8 16:03:14 marvin udev-acl.ck[22985]: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed"
1792 [16:03:49] <jer0me> at the same time
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1794 [16:05:48] <Iridos> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
1795 [16:05:48] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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1808 [16:11:24] <jer0me> oh, I found the reason. it seems related to ssh connection. I had a program running that connects to localhost:22 every 10 seconds (dev environemnt) So I guess it was some kind of race bug.
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1825 [16:17:34] <RedSoxFan07> Anybody else having issues with Thunderbird?
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1827 [16:18:08] <SwedeMike> !anyone | RedSoxFan07
1828 [16:18:35] <SwedeMike> RedSoxFan07: imagine someone said yes and ask the next question you intended to ask.
1829 [16:18:59] <RedSoxFan07> Ever since last night, I've been unable to send emails in Thunderbird
1830 [16:19:04] <RedSoxFan07> Is there a solution?
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1832 [16:19:37] <SwedeMike> RedSoxFan07: probably. But without know more details it's impossible to tell.
1833 [16:20:07] <RedSoxFan07> I haven't made any changes between then and now.
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1835 [16:20:14] <RedSoxFan07> Well, with one exception.
1836 [16:20:53] <RedSoxFan07> I went here: replaced-url
1837 [16:20:57] <somiaj> could be something changed on your SMTP server you have configured thunderbird to use.
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1839 [16:21:42] <RedSoxFan07> The only email account I use in Thunderbird is my Gmail account.
1840 [16:21:48] <RedSoxFan07> I guess I'll have to check that out.
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1870 [16:40:03] <lastaid> i fail to find a raspberry pi image for debian aarch64 stable ... could someone point me in the right direction?
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1875 [16:41:33] <spaceman> hey any ppl here?
1876 [16:42:14] <petn-randall> spaceman: nearly 1,500, last time I checked.
1877 [16:42:20] <petn-randall> !ask
1878 [16:42:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1880 [16:42:30] <spaceman> i need help installing wine32 on debian 9
1881 [16:42:36] <Tr4sK> Hi here
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1884 [16:42:51] <slax0r> you still haven't asked
1885 [16:42:51] <teatime> lastaid: replaced-url
1886 [16:43:13] <Tr4sK> spaceman: sudo apt install wine:i386
1887 [16:43:14] <lastaid> teatime: this is the one i am using.
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1889 [16:43:53] <petn-randall> lastaid: I think teatime is inferring that you shouldn't expect it to work in any way.
1890 [16:44:40] <spaceman> Tr4sK, wine:i386 has no installation candidate.. it refers me back to the original wine pkg
1891 [16:44:53] <spaceman> says it's a virtual package
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1893 [16:45:17] <bites> !multiarch
1894 [16:45:18] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1895 [16:45:23] <bites> spaceman: ^
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1897 [16:45:45] <spaceman> okay i'll look into it.
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1907 [16:50:30] <spaceman> does anybody ever have such issues with wine and debian 9?
1908 [16:50:43] <spaceman> i fear i've done something wrong hours ago..
1909 [16:51:13] <friend_to_pandas> Hello. I have a USB drive that on this computer, sometimes automounts, sometimes needs manual dev mount, and sometimes doesn't detect at all. Right now, lsusb sees the USB flash drive, but lsblk, ls /media/dev, and fdisk -l fail to see it. is there a way to mount it?
1910 [16:51:57] <BCMM> it sounds a *lot* like the hardware itself is dodgy
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1915 [16:52:42] <spaceman> so everytime i try to any different way to install wine32 i get a whack of Depends: ... but is not installable, is not going to be installed, etc.. How can i get areound this??
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1931 [16:55:32] <petn-randall> !bat
1932 [16:55:33] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1935 [16:55:44] <petn-randall> spaceman: Can you provide *all* of the abovce in a single paste?
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1957 [17:02:34] <spaceman> wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 1.8.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
1958 [17:02:45] <spaceman> and then it leads into more recursions of dependency errors
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1960 [17:02:58] <spaceman> *errors=*requirements, whichever
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1962 [17:03:26] <petn-randall> spaceman: That's not what I asked for, though.
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1964 [17:03:53] <petn-randall> spaceman: Have you read the message from dpkg yet?
1965 [17:03:54] <spaceman> without pasting all my info maybe you can lead me somewhere. i thought i knew of a tutorial online once that showed me perfectly how to install 32 bit wine on 64bit debian 9
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1967 [17:04:39] <spaceman> no offence i wuz just looking for a simpler lead
1968 [17:04:47] <spaceman> i guess i'll have to read
1969 [17:05:23] <metastable> spaceman: Or you could do what's being asked of you.
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1971 [17:05:43] <spaceman> k 1 min
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1978 [17:08:21] <spaceman> replaced-url
1979 [17:08:40] <spaceman> any other ones?
1980 [17:09:06] <Tr4sK> spaceman: have your tried apt install wine:i386 after adding i386 architecture?
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1983 [17:09:09] <petn-randall> spaceman: Cool, now read the message again and add the missing bits.
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1985 [17:09:31] <petn-randall> spaceman: You skipped 1. and 3. of what we asked you about.
1986 [17:09:41] <spaceman> Tr4sK, i've literally tried every command line.
1987 [17:09:52] <Tr4sK> apt update?
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1989 [17:10:29] <Tr4sK> once the new architecture added, you have to refresh repos.
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1993 [17:11:24] <Tr4sK> spaceman: a workaround is to go with playonlinux. You will be able to manage multiple wine version by prefix.
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1995 [17:11:47] <petn-randall> !playonlinux
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1997 [17:12:24] <spaceman> replaced-url
1998 [17:12:50] <petn-randall> I don't know how playonlinux would help with a broken Debian installation.
1999 [17:12:50] <spaceman> yes i'm using playonlinux. will a 64 bit wine application run 32 bit applications?
2000 [17:13:41] <petn-randall> spaceman: And what about 3.? This is gonna take long if I have to ask for everything several times.
2001 [17:13:57] <spaceman> believe it or not it is working, playonlinux, so far. i'm just mind-blown why i cannot, for HOURS, figure out around this dependencies stuff
2002 [17:14:12] <spaceman> 3. ??
2003 [17:14:34] <petn-randall> !bat
2004 [17:14:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2005 [17:14:45] <petn-randall> spaceman: Read this very carefully. ^^^
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2010 [17:16:16] <Tr4sK> spaceman: in playonlinux, you can manage different wine version and architecture
2011 [17:16:16] <spaceman> so my packages are whacked. gotcha
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2014 [17:16:57] <spaceman> yes so far that is working. Tr4sK I have other problems in that aspect. i'm trying to install eve online with it, almost there *i*hope*
2015 [17:16:59] <Tr4sK> Another question, how could I add omamqp1 output in rsyslog ?
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2017 [17:17:22] <spaceman> im out, thnx for your help folks!
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2020 [17:17:38] <tw> still no apt-cache policy.
2021 [17:17:40] <Tr4sK> spaceman: have a good way into space
2022 [17:17:46] * petn-randall shrugs.
2023 [17:18:00] <petn-randall> I'm sure they'll be back in a few hours to go through the whole ordeal again.
2024 [17:18:18] <Guest3533> hi, its posible to install package without installing some required package? apt\aptitude
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2028 [17:18:56] <petn-randall> Guest3533: *required* package? Why would you want that? That would install something but make it unusable.
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2031 [17:19:21] <petn-randall> Guest3533: Tell us about what you're trying to achieve.
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2057 [17:27:50] <BCMM> Guest3533: there is certainly a way to make that happen, but the result will generally be that the package does not work
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2060 [17:29:07] <Guest3533> i dont want to broke some "critical" dependencies
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2062 [17:29:37] <metastable> Then why would you install a package without its dependencies?
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2064 [17:29:53] <BCMM> Guest3533: if the dependency is not *really* required, but just enables some optional feature, it should be a "recommend", not a "depend"
2065 [17:29:54] <Guest3533> just some dont needed things
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2067 [17:30:29] <BCMM> Guest3533: are you able to give a concrete example here? what's the name of the package you want to install, what's the name of the package you *don't* want to install, and what's the distro?
2068 [17:30:32] <petn-randall> Guest3533: Again, what are you *exactly* trying to achieve?
2069 [17:31:13] <Guest3533> for example, i nstall mate but dont need cursors\wallpapers etc
2070 [17:31:22] <Guest3533> but this required
2071 [17:31:43] <Guest3533> i install*
2072 [17:32:23] <BCMM> Guest3533: i'll answer on the assumption we're talking about debian: don't install mate-desktop-environment
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2076 [17:32:54] <BCMM> because mate-desktop-environment doesn't actually provide any programs - it's a "metapackage" which exists only to depend on other packages
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2080 [17:33:06] <Guest3533> i install *-core
2081 [17:33:11] <Guest3533> not full package
2082 [17:33:16] <petn-randall> Guest3533: Try 'apt-get --no-install-recommends install <foo>' to avoid installing recommended packages. In your case however, you rather want to install mate-core instead and pick the things you need.
2083 [17:33:26] <BCMM> Guest3533: mate-environment-core is a metapackage too
2084 [17:33:31] <annadane> core does still have backgrounds
2085 [17:33:35] <Guest3533> sooo
2086 [17:33:37] <annadane> so Guest3533 is correct
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2088 [17:33:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is there a way I can tell a preseed file to install a package from backports if available?
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2090 [17:35:01] <petn-randall> Guest3533: There's no way around it, that's how the maintainer set up the dependencies.
2091 [17:35:05] <annadane> i guess probably you'd have to install it anyway and later manually remove it and apt-mark manual some of the packages (possibly, not sure how mate does it but you ought to just remove them) so a bunch of packages don't end up in apt autoremove
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2093 [17:35:28] <Guest3533> petn-randall, uh-oh :C
2094 [17:35:42] <petn-randall> Guest3533: That isn't really a problem though, is it?
2095 [17:35:48] <annadane> you can remove the backgrounds later, just be careful when you apt autoremove
2096 [17:35:51] <somiaj> Guest3533: you could rebuild the packages, but to most, the extra space used to have the files on your disk isn't a big issue.
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2098 [17:36:08] <Guest3533> . _.
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2101 [17:36:53] <BCMM> just look at what core depends on and pick out what you actually want
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2106 [17:37:26] <petn-randall> Guest3533: replaced-url
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2108 [17:38:01] <petn-randall> Guest3533: My recommendation would not to care about 20 MB more, because in a year you'll be scratching your head why you don't have any wallpapers even though the package is installed.
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2110 [17:38:59] * Pegasus_RPG is thinking to add the backports repo to the preseed then use late_command string to install the chosen packages
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2113 [17:39:34] <BCMM> woah, sorry about that. i asked about distros because i thought i was in ##linux
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2115 [17:40:12] <Guest3533> petn-randall, yeah, i understand this, but wtf... for example: in arch i can install any package without any required package
2116 [17:40:19] <Guest3533> so, thats why i ask
2117 [17:40:58] <Guest3533> 20mb of not used space
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2119 [17:41:15] <BCMM> Guest3533: the *entire point* of a metapackage is to bring in other packages
2120 [17:41:26] <BCMM> if you don't want it to bring in those packages, don't install it
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2124 [17:41:51] <tw> mate-core points to a metapackage, it doesn't have any files of its own. You can install the included packages without deps if you want, but manual dependency management is tedious.
2125 [17:41:55] <annadane> BCMM, except if you want MATE with the minimal install even core has those packages
2126 [17:42:18] <BCMM> annadane: i keep telling you, mate-desktop-environment-core is a metapackage
2127 [17:42:51] <Guest3533> BCMM, you meen look at deps and install only depname depname2... ?
2128 [17:42:56] <annadane> oh, i suppose you could install just the window manager, i don't remember which one mate uses, one second
2129 [17:43:02] <petn-randall> Guest3533: Yes, you could do that.
2130 [17:43:06] <Guest3533> oh
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2132 [17:43:17] <BCMM> annadane: marco
2133 [17:43:17] <petn-randall> Guest3533: You might save 20 MB, but you'll spend 30 mins of your life on it.
2134 [17:43:27] <BCMM> apt install marco caja mate-panel would be a good start
2135 [17:43:37] <Guest3533> petn-randall, dont tell me how waste my time! :C
2136 [17:43:46] <annadane> yes, so do that
2137 [17:43:51] <annadane> what BCMM suggested
2138 [17:44:04] <annadane> sorry
2139 [17:44:13] <BCMM> i mean that's just from looking at replaced-url
2140 [17:44:25] <Guest3533> oh, thx guys
2141 [17:44:26] <BCMM> you'd probably want mate-control-center too
2142 [17:44:34] <Guest3533> have a nice day!
2143 [17:44:35] <Guest3533> :3
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2145 [17:44:53] <aslmx> hey there... a couple of weeks ago i installed two virtual machines from the exact same Debian-Stretch CD image. I installed one to be used headless and the otherone with Xfce Desktop Environment. That is about the only big difference. Now the Headless VM cant "apt-get update" because it can't connect to the FTP Server that holds the Repo. The apt/sources.list is identical. both Machines run on the same Physical mac
2146 [17:44:53] <aslmx> hine. What can i do?
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2152 [17:45:38] <somiaj> Though I don't see a direct connection between mate-desktop-enviroment-core and make-backgrounds. You may want to track down exactly which package depends on it and why if you want to undrestand how it gets pulled in.
2153 [17:45:41] <BCMM> aslmx: are the networks configured the same way? do they both have a working internet connection?
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2155 [17:45:56] <arauka> do a ping
2156 [17:46:06] <somiaj> oh nevermind, I'm blind......
2157 [17:46:17] <aslmx> yes. Both can ping Google just fine.. (first thing i checked ;)) ... the broken one says: Err:3 replaced-url
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2159 [17:46:35] <aslmx> yes. Both can ping Google just fine.. (first thing i checked ;)) ... the broken one says: Err:3 replaced-url
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2161 [17:46:45] <BCMM> aslmx: are the network set up the same on both machines?
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2163 [17:46:56] <neoclust> hello
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2165 [17:47:14] <aslmx> what do you mean by "the same"? they have different IPs in the same subnet... both can ping each other and both can ping google (and resolve its hostname)
2166 [17:47:21] <BCMM> aslmx: noting that i mean both the settings in Debian, and whatever system you use to provide networking to the VM
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2169 [17:48:30] <petn-randall> aslmx: BCMM means e.g. is one of them using NAT, and the other a bridged network?
2170 [17:48:41] <aslmx> okay, there is one difference... The broken one has "rtl8139" as a network interface (Host device vnet0, bridge) and the otherone (working) has device model: virtio
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2172 [17:49:02] <aslmx> both use Host device "vnet0" and Brdige0
2173 [17:49:10] <aslmx> let me check the other 3 vms
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2175 [17:49:44] <aslmx> okay, 3rd one has also VirtIO device. Vnet0 (bridge br0)
2176 [17:49:52] <petn-randall> aslmx: If you run 'wget -O - replaced-url
2177 [17:50:13] <BCMM> unable to resolve host address ‘replaced-url
2178 [17:50:24] <BCMM> world wide whatever web
2179 [17:50:27] <petn-randall> ...
2180 [17:50:34] <petn-randall> remove the extra w
2181 [17:50:34] <aslmx> ;)
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2183 [17:50:37] <petn-randall> :P
2184 [17:50:38] <aslmx> yeah i've seen that
2185 [17:50:39] <aslmx> 018-02-08 17:50:26 (418 KB/s) - written to stdout [14952/14952]
2186 [17:50:41] <aslmx> so that one works
2187 [17:50:51] <arauka> resolv.conf?
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2191 [17:51:21] <petn-randall> aslmx: Is it literally "Err:3 replaced-url
2192 [17:51:28] <aslmx> both have the same resolv.conf pointing to an extra server running dnsmasq
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2195 [17:51:42] <arauka> ok, but change it to 8.8.8.8
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2198 [17:51:55] <aslmx> no it is not litterally, i had put an extra space there because i had the feeling the message would not go through
2199 [17:51:56] <teatime> arauka: no.
2200 [17:52:05] <petn-randall> arauka: What would that help? We already established that DNS works.
2201 [17:52:08] <aslmx> so, the space between replaced-url
2202 [17:52:15] <petn-randall> Ok, I see.
2203 [17:52:16] <aslmx> yea, my dns works i guess..
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2205 [17:52:30] <arauka> ok i see
2206 [17:53:11] <teatime> aslmx: can you ping 141.76.2.4 ?
2207 [17:53:33] <aslmx> no i can't funnily
2208 [17:53:37] <aslmx> i had seen it but forgot to mention
2209 [17:53:43] <tw> can you ip ro show to match 141.76.2.4 ?
2210 [17:54:25] <aslmx> whait
2211 [17:54:27] <aslmx> wait
2212 [17:54:35] <aslmx> i can ping google.de - but i can't ping 8.8.8.8
2213 [17:54:50] <aslmx> ähm
2214 [17:54:59] <arauka> that's crazy
2215 [17:55:00] <aslmx> ip route on the broken one misses "default. .."
2216 [17:55:00] <BCMM> congratulations, your problem is actually kinda interesting
2217 [17:55:05] <arauka> (:
2218 [17:55:11] <aslmx> sebastian @ redpanda[~]:ip route
2219 [17:55:11] <aslmx> default via 192.168.2.1 dev ens3
2220 [17:55:11] <aslmx> 192.168.2.0/24 dev ens3 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.47
2221 [17:55:14] <aslmx> that is the working one
2222 [17:55:18] <tw> there you go.
2223 [17:55:20] <BCMM> wait, if there's no default route, why does it sometimes work?
2224 [17:55:21] <aslmx> root@polarbear:/home/sebastian# ip route
2225 [17:55:21] <aslmx> 192.168.2.0/24 dev ens3 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.42
2226 [17:55:27] <aslmx> that is the broken one
2227 [17:55:35] <aslmx> yeah i have no clue that sounds odd
2228 [17:55:45] <BCMM> aslmx: how do you manage that interface? networkmanager? /etc/network/interfaces?
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2231 [17:56:04] <aslmx> well... good question... i had left that pretty much default
2232 [17:56:13] <arauka> i use a systemd service for that
2233 [17:56:15] <petn-randall> aslmx++ on the naming scheme ;)
2234 [17:56:43] <petn-randall> arauka: what?
2235 [17:56:46] <BCMM> aslmx: so i presume it gets config from dhcp somehow?
2236 [17:56:54] <aslmx> (yeah there is panda, polarbear, quokka, penguin, redpanda)
2237 [17:57:13] <BCMM> quokkas are probably the all-round cutest animal
2238 [17:57:13] <aslmx> BCMM: ... i just seethat on the broken one i seem to have changed the config manually
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2240 [17:57:23] <aslmx> but to be honest , and shame on me, i had totally forgotten
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2243 [17:57:42] <BCMM> i still don't understand why some address were routing correctly
2244 [17:57:42] <aslmx> how could that ever work
2245 [17:57:46] <petn-randall> aslmx: I remember libvirtd had a problem with certain virtual NICs because they didn't calculate the checksums correctly and the data got thrown away.
2246 [17:57:46] <aslmx> gateway 192.168.2.42
2247 [17:57:47] <aslmx> <- its its own gateway?
2248 [17:58:15] <BCMM> wait, where did you get that from?
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2250 [17:58:24] <aslmx> its in /etc/network/interfaces
2251 [17:58:27] <BCMM> huh
2252 [17:58:33] <aslmx> but why the f*** was that ever workign partially...
2253 [17:58:35] <BCMM> but that didn't make it in to ip route
2254 [17:58:47] <aslmx> i'll change it to 192.168.2.1 and see what happens
2255 [17:58:51] <tw> he could have some policyroutes set up.
2256 [17:58:58] <tw> those only show up if you specify the table.
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2258 [17:59:09] <teatime> or ipv6?
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2260 [17:59:37] <aslmx> hmm stupid question ... i had never learned what is the replacement for ifconfigß
2261 [17:59:55] <aslmx> ip addr show - but how do i list interfaces? ;)
2262 [17:59:55] <teatime> aslmx: ip from the iproute2 package
2263 [18:00:03] <BCMM> teatime: i think you've got the answer
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2265 [18:00:19] <teatime> BCMM: I've been thinking it for a while but didn't want to say something stupid.
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2267 [18:00:34] <BCMM> teatime: i feel stupid for *not* thinking it
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2269 [18:00:46] <teatime> aslmx: ip link show , technically, but usually ip addr suffices
2270 [18:00:54] <BCMM> aslmx: when you successfully pinged google.de, what IP address came up?
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2273 [18:01:07] <petn-randall> hehehe
2274 [18:01:09] <BCMM> teatime: oh no wait, ping is ipv4 only isn't it?
2275 [18:01:18] <aslmx> PING google.de(fra15s10-in-x03.1e100.net (2a00:1450:4001:811::2003)
2276 [18:01:20] <BCMM> don't you need to use ping6 to get ipv6 pinging?
2277 [18:01:25] <BCMM> well i stand corrected
2278 [18:01:25] <elc79> Hi guys!
2279 [18:01:32] <BCMM> and teatime had the right answer
2280 [18:01:33] <teatime> BCMM: it depends
2281 [18:01:33] <aslmx> maybe that is the reason... it works on ipv6?
2282 [18:01:39] <teatime> I don't know how it is in debian stable
2283 [18:01:50] <BCMM> aslmx: yeah, all the ip addresses you tried were ipv4 addresses
2284 [18:01:51] <elc79> when i try to load an hd video in youtube the image freezes, how can i fix this?
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2287 [18:02:04] <BCMM> aslmx: but *some* of the hostnames you tried resolved to ipv6 addresses
2288 [18:02:23] <aslmx> yeah... and the local ipv4 i use seem not to require a proper gateway to reach
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2290 [18:02:44] <BCMM> fwiw, on Sid ping4 and ping6 are symlinks to ping
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2292 [18:03:00] <BCMM> so i guess it does both, but you can explicitly restrict it to one or the other
2293 [18:03:07] <teatime> they did used to be separate
2294 [18:03:19] <tw> It's a symlink on stable as well.
2295 [18:03:27] <BCMM> aslmx: you don't need a gateway if you're on the same network
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2297 [18:03:49] <aslmx> yeah makes sense
2298 [18:04:06] <BCMM> e.g. on a typical home LAN, if you forget to set a gateway you will be able to ping everything on the lan but nothing on the internet
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2300 [18:04:39] <arauka> the switch do the magic
2301 [18:04:44] <BCMM> would've jumped straight to no gateway if i wasn't thrown off by some internet hosts working
2302 [18:04:58] <BCMM> (in my defence, i've never had an ISP with working ipv6)
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2304 [18:05:16] <aslmx> YAY
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2306 [18:05:28] <aslmx> rebooted it with proper gateway set - now it can "apt-get update"
2307 [18:05:33] <aslmx> thanks for helping me to debug this
2308 [18:05:36] <teatime> there were a number of hints... germany, + I figured google.de and replaced-url
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2310 [18:05:57] <aslmx> i would never have thought that
2311 [18:06:02] <BCMM> teatime: is germany ahead on ipv6 deployment then?
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2313 [18:06:52] <BCMM> oh right, leading the world nearly replaced-url
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2318 [18:08:46] <elc79> when i try to load an hd video in youtube the image freezes, how can i fix this?
2319 [18:09:21] <annadane> elc79, not really a debian question
2320 [18:09:24] <BCMM> elc79: what graphics hardware and driver have you got?
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2322 [18:09:39] <annadane> but okay, i guess it can be addressed anyway
2323 [18:09:49] <BCMM> elc79: and can you play back video smoothly in other applications?
2324 [18:09:56] <BCMM> (e.g. vlc)
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2326 [18:10:37] <elc79> BCMM: Intel graphics, and yes, when i download the video with youtube-dl i can see it smoothly in vlc
2327 [18:10:52] <BCMM> elc79: hmm. what browser, and do you have issue with video on other sites?
2328 [18:11:16] <elc79> BCMM: Firefox
2329 [18:11:23] <elc79> i can check on vimeo
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2331 [18:11:41] <BCMM> elc79: oh and have you checked it's not just buffering? how fast is your internet?
2332 [18:12:00] <BCMM> (asking because one difference with using youtube-dl is that you typically download the whole thing before you play it)
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2335 [18:12:42] <BCMM> elc79: oh and which version of firefox/debian are you on?
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2337 [18:12:56] <elc79> BCMM: it's very fast, this problem does not happens with Manjaro
2338 [18:13:19] <elc79> Debian 9 and i think is the last version available of Firefox
2339 [18:13:53] <elc79> the problem is in vimeo too
2340 [18:13:56] <petn-randall> elc79: If it's Debian 9, that would be Firefox ESR (not the latest version).
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2343 [18:14:14] <elc79> petn-randall: you are right
2344 [18:14:26] <BCMM> i was kinda hoping he would say testing so i could suggest a newer firefox...
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2346 [18:14:55] <towo`> btw, intel graphics is saying zero
2347 [18:14:59] <petn-randall> elc79: Do you have Adobe Flash installed?
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2349 [18:15:04] <towo`> there are tons of chipsets around
2350 [18:15:28] <elc79> Nope
2351 [18:15:45] <elc79> only main repo it's enabled
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2353 [18:16:26] <petn-randall> elc79: You could try incognito mode, or a fresh profile.
2354 [18:16:26] <towo`> elc79, again, which intel graphics exact?
2355 [18:16:49] <elc79> towo: i965
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2357 [18:17:37] <BCMM> elc79: try firefox -safe-mode, in case it is just a misconfiguration in fx
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2364 [18:20:49] <jorb> so i'm trying to set up PCI (VGA) passthrough to a libvirt QEMU+KVM node
2365 [18:21:08] <jorb> the box i have does not have integrated graphics either to the MOBO or CPU
2366 [18:21:33] <elc79> BCMM: no way, the image freezes
2367 [18:21:35] <jorb> so the kernel appears to automatically be grabbing part of the GPU via the efifb kernel
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2369 [18:22:07] <elc79> but this does not happen in Manjaro
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2371 [18:22:16] <jorb> i need to make the kernel not do that, but have yet to find any suggestions, any advice? (don't make me compile one plz :( :()
2372 [18:22:25] <tw> jorb: are you specifying vfio-pci as the driver for that pci id?
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2374 [18:22:33] <jorb> tw: yes
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2377 [18:23:33] <tw> is it actually getting picked up before your graphics adapter driver? you can check with lspci -v
2378 [18:23:34] <jorb> early in the bootup efifb grabs it too
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2381 [18:24:51] <tw> try video=efifb:off on the commandline
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2383 [18:25:00] <tw> kernel commandline
2384 [18:25:33] <jorb> "Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci" shows up there (annoyingly so does this "Kernel modules: nouveau" even though it is blacklisted)
2385 [18:25:45] <jorb> i'll try that,thx
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2389 [18:26:50] <tw> notably, if it's a PCI device, it's very unlikely to handle VM reboots well.
2390 [18:27:09] <tw> it has to be a fairly recent EFI enabled GPU to handle passthrough correctly.
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2392 [18:27:24] <tw> Otherwise you get one VM boot per HW boot.
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2411 [18:36:08] <elc79> BCMM: seems to be an Firefox issue, in Chromium the videos run smoothly
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2433 [18:45:54] <jorb> tw: glorious! thx
2434 [18:46:10] <jorb> thank you for not making me switch to Gentoo!
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2437 [18:47:34] <tw> You'd like have the same problem in the default kernel config. efifb is usually built in as a legacy fallback mode.
2438 [18:47:47] <tw> glad it works
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2445 [18:51:25] <jorb> just cause i think i've spent the last week trying to get vfio-pci to work
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2456 [19:00:19] <tw> There's some interesting stuff you can do with vfio-mdev instead of vfio-pci, but I've never had it work for me; probably needs an actual GRID board instead of a consumer one. All kinds of interesting vgpu stuff expected to pop up this year.
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2478 [19:11:41] <jorb> well hopefully the GPU price gouging goes back down, fkn cryptocurrencies
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2480 [19:12:38] <jorb> bought a GTX 1050 in Nov for $160, it was up to $220 last i checked
2481 [19:15:20] <jorb> haven't heard of vfio-mdev checkin it out now
2482 [19:16:37] <jorb> no mention of it on vfio.blogspot.com, Alex Williamson must not have a hand in it
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2484 [19:17:17] <jorb> or w/e he hasn't posted on their since 2016 lol
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2503 [19:30:27] <thenewone> Hi guys
2504 [19:30:33] <thenewone> i have a small problem i think
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2506 [19:31:07] <thenewone> i removed the debian partition from windows now i can't boot to windows because of grub can't detect it how can i fix it and thanks
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2513 [19:33:45] <BanHammor> debian partition from windows? what
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2517 [19:34:17] <thenewone> i will explain
2518 [19:34:17] <alkisg> He needs to reinstall the windows MBR
2519 [19:34:26] <thenewone> BanHammor, i did install windows7 + debian 9
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2522 [19:34:36] <thenewone> BanHammor, i removed debia 9 from windows 7
2523 [19:34:42] <thenewone> BanHammor, i forget grub
2524 [19:34:56] <thenewone> BanHammor, now how can i configure grub to detect windows7 partition and thanks
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2527 [19:35:55] <BanHammor> okay so basically you can't repair grub any more, it's pretty much dead. You -CAN- remake the windows MBR via Windows' installation CD
2528 [19:36:17] <thenewone> BanHammor, so there is no other options only with windows CD
2529 [19:36:20] <thenewone> hmm
2530 [19:36:28] <alkisg> Or with debian cd
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2535 [19:37:57] <thenewone> thanks alot
2536 [19:38:02] <thenewone> wish one is ez
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2566 [19:50:39] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2585 [19:57:19] <mntmn> hi, i pinpointed the exact location/reason of a ssl-related crash of debian's chromium 62 on armhf, how/where do i best report this?
2586 [19:57:28] <mntmn> using the normal bug reporter thingie?
2587 [19:57:45] <greycat> yes
2588 [19:57:50] <mntmn> ok, thx
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2631 [20:16:56] <Sia-> hi
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2634 [20:18:04] <webmind> lo
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2703 [20:37:29] <snarfy> anyone know where I can find out more about packaging of julia? I've tried chatting in the #julia channel, but my messages are getting blocked?
2704 [20:38:38] <bites> ,v julia
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2706 [20:38:39] <judd> Package: julia on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.2-2; stretch: 0.4.7-6+b3; sid: 0.4.7-7+b3
2707 [20:38:50] <bites> snarfy: what exactly are you trying to find out?
2708 [20:39:13] <hypn0> this replaced-url
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2710 [20:40:23] <snarfy> bites: have been working on projects in julia to learn, but am starting to outgrow the version I have from debian stable. Am looking to find out what my options are, and what the future holds for julia packaging.
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2712 [20:41:02] <greycat> Is there a newer upstream release, or something?
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2715 [20:41:48] <snarfy> greycat: if you're talking to me, yes, there's a 0.6 version that seems to be current version in dev.
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2718 [20:42:21] <greycat> Well, then. Since judd just showed us that sid still has essentially the same version as stable, your choices are "keep with the stable version" or "use upstream's version in /usr/local or /opt"
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2721 [20:43:55] <snarfy> greycat: ok, that was an option I was considering. I'm not always sure what the impact of installing outside the packaging system is, though.
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2726 [20:44:17] <greycat> The impact is you have less unused disk space.
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2729 [20:45:51] <snarfy> greycat: My concern was that I might hork a system that is intended to be stable. If I do an independent install, do I have to worry about contention between debian packages and local third-party packages?
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2738 [20:46:50] <greycat> Whatever you do in /usr/local and /opt has no effect on Debian's packages. The only way it can screw anything up is if you run it and it's broken and screws something up in your $HOME dir.
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2740 [20:48:14] <snarfy> greycat: good to know. I don't expect that behavior, and I have lots of good backups of the most important stuff from home, so I'm willing to give it a try.
2741 [20:48:19] <bites> snarfy: instructions look very easy. replaced-url
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2744 [20:48:37] <bites> snarfy: just unpack it somewhere and create the symlink like described in there.
2745 [20:49:21] <snarfy> bites: yeah, I'm reasonably comfortable with manual installs, but I usually only have done them when there's no risk to my personal data.
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2754 [20:51:50] <snarfy> It would be nice to know if Debian was planning on updating the package in the near future, though. It's in development, so I can understand it might be in flux, but if I knew that an update from the maintainers was in the works, I'd wait it out.
2755 [20:52:11] <greycat> You can see if there has been a wishlist bug report filed against the julia package for the new upstream.
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2758 [20:52:29] <greycat> Or you can file such a bug report yourself, if it's not there.
2759 [20:52:36] <bites> there is also the julia packaging mailing list you might refer to.
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2763 [20:53:07] <bites> replaced-url
2764 [20:53:18] <snarfy> Thanks, those are good options, but I kinda hate email. Is there a way to file a wishlist without using email?
2765 [20:53:25] <hypn0> snarfy: is there a risk to my personal data.
2766 [20:53:58] <hypn0> isn't it the same as installing it :-/
2767 [20:54:42] <snarfy> hypn0: ? not sure, that's why I'm asking
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2775 [20:56:50] <hypn0> I mean isn't it static package, what's the difference :-/
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2779 [20:57:57] <snarfy> hypn0: I don't really have much insight into packaging, but I understand that installs can be sensitive.
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2784 [21:01:21] <hypn0> what about aaimages, are they fine to use too
2785 [21:01:34] <hypn0> about appimages*
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2828 [21:18:40] <snarfy> ok, so I've got the current version installed, but I'm not happy with my immediate solution. I unpacked the tarball inside my /usr/local/bin directory, but I really only want the binary in that path. Where do local installs usually go?
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2832 [21:19:47] <greycat> if it's a "tarball" and the "tarball" contains more than one file, then you probably sbould have unpacked it in a subdirectory of /opt instead of inside /usr/local/bin/
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2835 [21:20:28] <greycat> this is *especially* true if the "tarball" contains its own bin/ subdirectory.
2836 [21:20:32] <bites> and then put a symlink to the binary in /usr/local/bin/
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2838 [21:20:47] <snarfy> Ok. I should be able to move it there without much trouble. Yeah, it does have it's own bin dir.
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2840 [21:21:11] <greycat> Then you make symlinks from /usr/local/bin/julia to /opt/julia-x.y/bin/julia or whatever.
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2845 [21:21:44] <snarfy> yeah, I already did the symlink for the way I had it, but I didn't want all that extra junk on my path.
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2848 [21:22:14] <greycat> Making symlinks in /usr/local/bin/ means you don't *have* to add /opt/julia-whatever/bin to your $PATH.
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2853 [21:23:24] <snarfy> No, I didn't add it to a path variable, but all those other files would have now been searched, since they were now in /usr/local/bin
2854 [21:23:39] <greycat> Yeah, they shouldn't be there.
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2856 [21:24:13] <snarfy> right, just didn't know what best practice was for the local tarballs. /opt makes sense to me.
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2870 [21:26:29] <snarfy> cool. It's up and running.
2871 [21:27:01] <snarfy> Oh, but that leads me to another question with regard to packaging...
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2877 [21:29:19] <snarfy> Is there a defined interaction between debian packaging and other system's packaging behavior? For example, I notice that Mozilla allows add-ons, but sometimes these are packaged separately in debian. Likewise, julia seems to have its own internal packaging system based on git. I think I may end up with two copies of ImageMagick, for example, because debian installs one, and julia installs its own (or so it seems).
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2880 [21:30:19] <greycat> I don't know a single thing about julia. It could do what you describe.
2881 [21:30:47] <greycat> Or, it could see the OS's imagemagick and decide not to install its own.
2882 [21:31:24] <snarfy> It seemed to be installing its own today, so I checked, and I already had the package installed.
2883 [21:31:46] <BanHammor> generally saying, packages installing bundled libraries should do so ANYWHERE BUT /usr/lib/
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2888 [21:33:19] <snarfy> I guess I'm just confused about what the scope of debian packaging is intended to be. I would prefer to rely on debian packages when possible.
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2890 [21:34:02] <BanHammor> i'm not sure that is a question one can answer
2891 [21:34:33] <snarfy> I guess I would have thought there was a policy or mission statement that defined scope.
2892 [21:34:39] <greycat> The upstream version isn't packaged in Debian yet. That's all we can say. For more details, ask the julia-packaging mailing list.
2893 [21:35:17] <snarfy> greycat: noted. I'm shifted topic somewhat. ;)
2894 [21:35:17] <BanHammor> "package popular things, don't break DFSG".
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2896 [21:36:38] <BanHammor> preferably make it so the user can't delete things installed via the package manager without the package manager
2897 [21:36:58] <greycat> That's not possible.
2898 [21:37:01] <teatime> snarfy: imo, you're asking a general question (applies to perl, python, etc.), to which the answer is usually "it's tricky". Debian packages some modules etc. that are dependencies of software in Debian.
2899 [21:37:33] <BanHammor> greycat, iirc Python modules installed via deb get their setup.py erased
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2901 [21:37:53] <BanHammor> precisely so the user can't run pip remove
2902 [21:37:53] <snarfy> teatime: so maybe the rule of thumb is, "whatever is required to make debian work"?
2903 [21:38:02] <greycat> The user can still run rm.
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2905 [21:38:47] <teatime> snarfy: I beleive that's often what it comes down to.
2906 [21:38:48] <BanHammor> sure, but by then they are determined to screw things up
2907 [21:39:27] <somiaj> snarfy: required sure does get more reason to do it, but a lot depends on the matainers who volunteer their time to package software. There are lots of advantages to only having software in the form of well tested debian packages, so people end up volunteering their time to package things they use a lot.
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2915 [21:44:31] <snarfy> yeah, debian is an amazing system. I'd kind of like to help, myself, but every time I read the documentation, I feel like I'm starting in the middle somewhere.
2916 [21:44:41] <bites> debian has pretty hight quality demands. it's not that easy getting a package approved like it is with some other distros.
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2918 [21:45:04] <Harm133> Hey guys. What the go-to package to setup an iSCSI target :)?
2919 [21:45:11] <Harm133> Want to try it out for a bit
2920 [21:45:24] <greycat> replaced-url
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2922 [21:46:09] <somiaj> bites: the sponsors are really helpful, but a matainer does have to be willing to fix all the lintian errors their packges produce.
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2924 [21:48:08] <Harm133> greycat, I´m working with stretch, the docs are outdated for those. But I´ll give LIO a whirl
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2927 [21:49:10] <snarfy> ok, off to play with Julia for a bit. Thanks for the help!
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2937 [21:53:46] <bites> somiaj: i tried to get something packaged once but it failed due to upstream not being active. i ended up hosting the package on a private repo. which is fair i think.
2938 [21:54:37] <somiaj> bites: In that case I can see one needing to be known by the debian developers, because matainging a package with a dead upstream, turns you into upstream.
2939 [21:55:17] <somiaj> so yea, I can see sponsors being more cautions on such things, as a lot more rides on the matainer than a project with a more active upstream.
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2943 [21:57:07] <bites> yeah ^^
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2957 [22:08:04] <antoszka> Guys, is it possible to manually walk through a standard installer and save the selections to a preseed file?
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2966 [22:13:34] <teatime> antoszka: essentially, yes. replaced-url
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2968 [22:14:10] <antoszka> teatime: looking, thx
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2972 [22:15:14] <antoszka> I'm mostly interested in getting my partitioning reseedable to other servers, I've pretty much got the rest already.
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2974 [22:15:40] <teatime> antoszka: the best advice is "Do not work off a debconf-get-selections (--installer) generated preseed.cfg but get the values from it and modify the example preseed file with them." re: generated preseed
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2976 [22:16:59] <teatime> hrm, well that should be pretty easy to do in the preseed text, or you can just do a pre script to do it. but perhaps that method will help some.
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2984 [22:19:56] <antoszka> teatime: Cool, thanks.
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3081 [22:56:20] <spaceman> anybody else have issues installing 32 bit wine along with the regular packages?
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3083 [22:57:35] <teatime> spaceman: it's more helpful if you show exactly what you were trying to do, and what error message you received
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3085 [23:00:28] <petn-randall> spaceman: Welcome back! Once you provided the following, let's carry on:
3086 [23:00:30] <petn-randall> !bat
3087 [23:00:30] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3099 [23:06:22] <spaceman> what do a,b and c stand for in apt-cache policy?
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3102 [23:07:37] <bites> archive, barchitecture and component
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3104 [23:09:51] <spaceman> thanks . .
3105 [23:09:56] <bites> but you might want to answer petn-randall's request if you want help.
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