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• 7[00:05:57] <httperr418> rant: thank you for the suggestion, is strace easy to use? I've heard of it but never used it
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• 12[00:08:02] <rant> httperr418: use generally isnt very complicated its understanding the output that is the tricky part.. the output is calls to the kernel and if you dont know the API/ABI then you may not understand it much
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• 14[00:08:31] <airking_> Is there a way to make the pause/break key not do anything?
• 15[00:08:35] <rant> httperr418: but for something this simple you're just looking for what file it tries to access and fails right before you see the call to print the error message
• 16[00:08:42] <airking_> Currently it quits whatever is running in the shell
• 17[00:08:44] <airking_> I need it to not do that
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• 20[00:13:04] <somiaj> airking_: are you running this in xorg, or standard linux tty consoles?
• 21[00:13:41] <rant> I've never seen a debian system do that.. ^C is the break command and thats not what the pause/break key does
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• 23[00:14:26] <somiaj> might be useful to get the xev output from that key to see what code it is actually producing.
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• 84[01:14:23] <squarecircle> ohai
• 85[01:14:48] <squarecircle> I can remove a file, but cannot create file: Operation not supported
• 86[01:15:10] <squarecircle> what am I doing wrong? ^^
• 87[01:15:14] <somiaj> squarecircle: give more details. What command did you run, what file system are you trying to write/delete from?
• 88[01:15:32] <squarecircle> somiaj: its an 9p virtio fs
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• 90[01:16:01] <squarecircle> somiaj: i tried touch /share/file, mv ./file /share and rm /file/share
• 91[01:16:42] <somiaj> what is the output of mount, just need the line in the vm about mounting this file system.
• 92[01:17:03] <squarecircle> somiaj: mount does not output anything
• 93[01:17:14] <squarecircle> its quietly mounting the share
• 94[01:17:52] <rant> I find that odd cause on my system which is vastly less complex than yours I'm sure, it outputs 29 lines
• 95[01:18:03] <rant> squarecircle: he meant mount.. as in just mount, without arguments
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• 97[01:18:14] <squarecircle> rant: oh ... ooohh
• 98[01:18:16] <squarecircle> sure
• 99[01:18:42] <squarecircle> /nfs72 on /nfs72 type 9p (rw,relatime,sync,dirsync,trans=virtio,version=9p2000.L)
• 100[01:19:22] <rant> thats about all I can add to this.. heh.. cause I never heard of 9p and dont know anything about virtio
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• 102[01:19:46] <somiaj> My guess (I have never used this file system to share with my vms) is it is a permsion issue on the host.
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• 107[01:20:52] <squarecircle> replaced-url
• 108[01:22:22] <somiaj> squarecircle: is the host debian as well?
• 109[01:22:27] <squarecircle> yes
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• 111[01:22:38] <squarecircle> both machines are debian
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• 114[01:24:07] <rant> well thats got to be the plainest patebin i ever saw.. if it worked without ssl, i'd be real simple
• 115[01:24:09] <somiaj> squarecircle: are you using libvirt to set this all up, or manually with qemu
• 116[01:24:25] <squarecircle> libvirt
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• 119[01:25:29] * rant notes the "plain text" option req ubuntu one account
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• 122[01:26:52] <somiaj> I don't know how much help I can be, I'm not finding any clear google hit. For the most part it sounds like a permision issue dealing with what user is running the vm, the permisions on the share, making sure the uids match in both the guest and host, and so on.
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• 124[01:27:52] <somiaj> if no one else chips in, you may find asking in #libvirt on irc.oftc.net or some other qemu-kvm related support place more helpful to debug what permision issue is preventing you from accessing the share.
• 125[01:28:44] <somiaj> and the output of mount seems a bit weird, why is the mount source and location the same, they are both /nfs72, that seems odd to me, but I can't say more.
• 126[01:29:23] <squarecircle> oh oh
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• 128[01:30:07] <rant> I have my one system setup with a luks file that I mount over top of the directory containing it.. but that src/dest being the same is a bit puzzling
• 129[01:30:39] <Gm4n> my system doesn't seem willing to boot, and is instead constantly complaining on serial about an ATA device (action 0xe frozen, connection status changed). Anyone know how to decode these errors? replaced-url
• 130[01:31:35] <squarecircle> rant: hm
• 131[01:32:23] <squarecircle> somiaj: I changed this to nfs72 without any / but the result stayed the same: Op not permitted
• 132[01:32:43] <squarecircle> somiaj: I'll now try to fix thsi with a direct mount from the storage server
• 133[01:33:16] <somiaj> squarecircle: This is the first I have seen a kvm way to share storage. I always just use rsync/scp to get things to my vms, but I really don't need them sharing a file system.
• 134[01:33:47] <squarecircle> somiaj: normally I'd say: youre correct
• 135[01:34:07] <squarecircle> somiaj: but my vm will create some 7TB of data, which is not available on the host
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• 139[01:34:58] <somiaj> Now in such a file system, it is very important to ensure there is some buffer so two oses aren't messing with it at the same time, and thus requires some extra configuation. Libvirt should manage a good amount of this, and my guess is something subtle is incorrect about your configuration/setup.
• 140[01:35:34] <squarecircle> somiaj: well I guess its somewhere in the details
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• 142[01:36:16] <squarecircle> somiaj: but I'll now go the direct way and mount the storage nfs share directly in the vm
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• 146[01:38:12] <squarecircle> somiaj, rant: thank you for your help
• 147[01:38:20] <somiaj> squarecircle: you have double checked all the correct modules are loaded in guest and host?
• 148[01:38:43] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 149[01:39:00] <bites> Gm4n: smells like hardware failure. can you pull the drive out and test it on a different system?
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• 152[01:39:53] <somiaj> sometimes it is just a bad sata cable
• 153[01:39:54] <Gm4n> bites: oddly enough, the system seems to be booted and the drive seems to be working? (mdadm reporting all clear)
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• 155[01:40:31] <somiaj> haha funny first google hit I get on the error says the same thing, replaced the sata cable, errors went away.
• 156[01:40:35] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 157[01:41:12] <Gm4n> alright, I'll try that - thanks!
• 158[01:43:02] <Gm4n> is "ata6" the same as /dev/sdf? (not sure if it's 0-index or 1-index)
• 159[01:43:40] <somiaj> Gm4n: /dev/sdX are detcted in order of how the bios presents them, if this translates on your current setup, yes that could be the case, but I wouldn't not assume it.
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• 163[01:52:15] <bites> Gm4n: ls -l /sys/block/sd* | sed 's/.*\(sd.*\) -.*\(ata.*\)\/h.*/\2 => \1/'
• 164[01:52:41] <bites> found on stackexchange ^^
• 165[01:53:26] <Gm4n> Thanks bites; I was trying something similar (and with more lines) from <replaced-url
• 166[01:55:00] <frostschutz> that's a lot easier to remember if you just - don't do the sed ;)
• 167[01:55:22] <somiaj> Gm4n: might be ata6 can't be read, and is being ignored. Do you have anything pluged into it?
• 168[01:56:13] <somiaj> also note cd/dvd rom drivesr are also usually ata these days, and they get mapped differently and may not show up in those lists
• 169[01:56:32] <Gm4n> well, I'm still a little confused about which motherboard port corresponds to which ata device. I do have one ATA cable plugged into motherboard with nothing on the other end
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• 173[01:58:30] <somiaj> that could be it, maybe it detects a cable is plugged in, and gets confused when it can't read anything.
• 174[01:58:33] <somiaj> I would remove that cabe
• 175[01:58:47] <somiaj> also if you look really closely at the mobo, you can sometimes see the lables of which ata device each plug is
• 176[01:58:57] <somiaj> the manual usually provides this info too, whcih you cang et from teh manufacture site online
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• 181[02:01:09] <Gm4n> thanks bites and somiaj; I'll try that in a bit :)
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• 185[02:02:32] <bites> good luck :)
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• 199[02:16:52] <rant> Gm4n: I'd unplug that lose cable just to avoid the chance it might hit a stray pin and short something out or something
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• 220[02:39:53] <hiexpo> I found the work around for when creating a launcher to be ran in the terminal to not have to use x-term and be able to use xfce terminal like I wanted
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• 222[02:42:39] <somiaj> hiexpo: what was it? Just tell the launcher what terminal to use?
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• 224[02:43:04] <airking_> whoops
• 225[02:44:26] <hiexpo> somiaj, kinda like for using nmap create launcher as application xfce4-terminal -e 'sh -ic "nmap -h; exec bash"'
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• 227[02:46:42] <somiaj> hiexpo: yea, I belive that was the suggestion I gave, you can tell the launcher what terminal to use. Problem is, it isn't that portable if you want to change terminals. Though your laucnher seems strange, and not sure why you want to use both dash and bash.
• 228[02:47:05] <somiaj> hiexpo: oh I see, you want to run nmap, and then be left at a shell, not just exit.
• 229[02:47:23] <hiexpo> somiaj, how should i have wrote it
• 230[02:47:43] <hiexpo> somiaj, yes
• 231[02:47:43] <somiaj> hiexpo: do you want to be left in a shell, or just keep the term around until you have read the output?
• 232[02:48:04] <somiaj> hiexpo: something like xfce4-terminal -e "nmap -h | less" might do what you want.
• 233[02:48:17] <hiexpo> somiaj, I want to keep the shell open to run my command
• 234[02:48:53] <somiaj> my suggestion would exit as soon as you type 'q' to exit less
• 235[02:49:24] <hiexpo> somiaj, so use the less command?
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• 237[02:50:11] <somiaj> hiexpo: it is a suggestion. I am guessing what your actual usecase is, but if you just want a terminal to display info, that you can quick easily when done, less is a good tool for that.
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• 239[02:50:29] <stevendale> Hi
• 240[02:50:37] <hiexpo> somiaj, okay thanks
• 241[02:50:43] <stevendale> I'm still using Debian Wheezy, when is it out of support? o/
• 242[02:51:31] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
• 243[02:51:31] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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• 245[02:52:15] <stevendale> Will I get meltdown patches for Wheezy? o/
• 246[02:53:23] <somiaj> stevendale: hasn't the kernel already been patched for kpi?
• 247[02:53:52] <metastable> That would be visible in the changelog for the kernel package, I suspect.
• 248[02:54:37] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 249[02:54:39] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 250[02:54:40] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
• 251[02:54:57] <stevendale> How to add the backports repo?
• 252[02:55:00] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 254[02:56:17] <stevendale> +*
• 255[02:56:45] <awal1> edit &etc/apt/sources.list and add that repo
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• 259[03:01:59] <awal1> stevendale: "nano etc/apt/sources.list" and insert at the end something like "deb replaced-url
• 260[03:02:45] <stevendale> I'm on Wheezy awal1 o/
• 261[03:02:55] <awal1> oh
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• 263[03:03:10] <awal1> replaced-url
• 264[03:03:21] <awal1> wheezy is dead :P
• 265[03:03:27] <somiaj> stevendale: just change stretch-backports to wheezy-backports
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• 267[03:03:34] <somiaj> awal1: no it is not, it is supported until this summer.
• 268[03:03:41] <somiaj> !wheezy-backports
• 269[03:03:41] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 270[03:04:12] <awal1> somiaj, oh, I see
• 271[03:04:24] <awal1> wheezy lts so?
• 272[03:04:35] <stevendale> How would I upgrade all installed packages to available versions in the wheezy-backports repo?
• 273[03:04:51] <somiaj> stevendale: you don't want to do that
• 274[03:04:58] <somiaj> awal1: yes
• 275[03:05:05] <awal1> maybe just a few pckges still maintained, I guess
• 276[03:05:11] <awal1> security I mean
• 277[03:05:32] <somiaj> if by few, you mean server packages, yes, wheezy-lts has security support for most of wheezy on i386/amd64 and arm ports.
• 278[03:05:56] <somiaj> lts dosen't nesicarally support all desktop software, but some gets supported.
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• 281[03:07:24] <awal1> stevendale, any major reason forces you to use wheezy instead of current stable?
• 282[03:07:26] <georgeowell> heya, does anyone have any reccomendations for ways to track and run updates on lots of servers
• 283[03:07:44] <georgeowell> something roughly equivalent to Landscape on Ubuntu
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• 285[03:07:57] <stevendale> awal1, No, there's no particular reason
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• 287[03:08:40] <somiaj> awal1: upgrading is a pain, not everyone needs to use the most current release, which is why debian provides lts support (though this is more server end than desktop, I know plenty who run desktops on very hold hardware which runs better on older software)
• 288[03:08:50] <awal1> unattended-upgrades ? georgeowell
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• 291[03:09:42] <awal1> somiaj, I understand yeah; I personally lazy to purge all gnome metapkg in my home machine...
• 292[03:10:04] <georgeowell> Something a bit more responsive perhaps. I would especially like to know what updates are avliable (avoiding email if possible)
• 293[03:10:08] <stevendale> Would I have to go through Jessie to get to Stretch?
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• 295[03:11:23] <somiaj> stevendale: yes, scripts are only designed to upgrade one release at a time.
• 296[03:12:03] <somiaj> stevendale: plus due to transitions and the likes, you have to upgrade through releases (it would be way to much to test and ensure that ugprades work from anything else than the previous release as well)
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• 303[03:18:46] <georgeowell> I'm considering the package "apt-dater"
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• 306[03:21:29] <stevendale> My bash version is 4.2.37
• 307[03:21:36] <stevendale> Am I vulnerable to shellshock
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• 310[03:22:56] <somiaj> are you sure, debian patches security holes. Do you have a cve for shell shock?
• 311[03:23:00] <somiaj> ,v bash
• 312[03:23:01] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; buster: 4.4-5; sid: 4.4-5; stretch: 4.4-5
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• 314[03:23:25] <somiaj> the debian version in bash has lots of secruity patches on it( that is what that -0.1+deb7u4 means
• 315[03:24:54] <stevendale> 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3
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• 317[03:25:17] <somiaj> you are outdated if that is your version. Do you have security sources for wheezy and are you up to date?
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• 319[03:26:12] <stevendale> What are the security sources?
• 320[03:26:28] <somiaj> !wheezy soruces.list
• 321[03:26:36] <somiaj> !wheezy sources.list
• 322[03:26:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 323[03:26:44] <somiaj> the second one in that list is the security sources
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• 325[03:27:17] <stevendale> My sources.list has the repos for main, contrib & non-free, in wheezy and whezy-updates
• 326[03:27:37] <stevendale> with sources
• 327[03:27:43] <somiaj> but no wheezy/updates from security?
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• 329[03:27:48] <stevendale> No
• 330[03:27:55] <somiaj> you should be able to compare it to the list the bot gave, and add the missing ones
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• 333[03:31:40] <stevendale> 150 megs of security patches
• 334[03:31:40] <stevendale> o/
• 335[03:32:12] <stevendale> That's just on my cli debian...
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• 337[03:32:19] <stevendale> I wonder about my debian with the DE...
• 338[03:32:33] <stevendale> 313 MB o/
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• 352[03:46:52] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 355[03:49:14] <stevendale> Hi raynold
• 356[03:49:24] <raynold> Morning stevendale
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• 414[04:32:23] <stevendale> Hello
• 415[04:32:34] <stevendale> How do I setup a debian jessie or stretch chroot in Debian Wheezy
• 416[04:32:42] <stevendale> I don't understand the guide in Debian's Wiki
• 417[04:32:58] <stevendale> I want step by step easy to understand instructions o/
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• 421[04:35:11] <somiaj> stevendale: deboostrap is fairly staright forward.
• 422[04:35:25] <stevendale> How to use it?
• 423[04:36:13] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 426[04:39:43] <stevendale> somiaj, I'm using 32-bit debian, could I make a 64-bit chroot?
• 427[04:39:44] <stevendale> o/
• 428[04:40:05] <stevendale> I know that I can run 64-bit VirtualBox VMs on 32-bit Linux
• 429[04:40:23] <stevendale> i just can't allocate more than 4.x GB of RAM to the VM
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• 431[04:40:45] <somiaj> you would have to first install a 64bit kernel and be running that.
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• 506[05:53:18] <rant> in-ter-est-ing.. so if you put in two drives luks encrypted with the same passphrase and you enter the passphrase for one, gvfsd will mount them both.. I wasnt aware of this
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• 509[05:56:17] <stevendale> o/
• 510[05:56:26] <stevendale> Hi rant
• 511[05:56:37] <rant> allo mate
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• 524[06:09:54] <Kurogane> Hi, Its possible to run two mysql at the same time? i mean, running one "normal" and another in chroot? the thing is i don't know if i run in chroot with all Mount the proc, dev, and sys filesystems into the chroot folder, mysql is running without chroot cause crash or something, i just want to backup database for old drive.
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• 527[06:14:18] <ph4nt0m> ola all comment ba
• 528[06:14:24] <stevendale> Hi ph4nt0m
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• 530[06:14:54] <somiaj> Kurogane: well they both can't run on the same port. Is this just to backup the databases, why not dump them into SQL format?
• 531[06:14:57] <ph4nt0m> how are you stevendale
• 532[06:15:04] <ph4nt0m> ??
• 533[06:15:26] <stevendale> ph4nt0m, I'm okay, I'm working on a fix for something on Windows XP :)
• 534[06:15:45] <somiaj> stevendale: this isn't a social channel, no everyone. Use #debian-offtopic or other social channels if you want to chat.
• 535[06:15:54] <ph4nt0m> hehe are u sure to be in the right place
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• 537[06:15:58] <ph4nt0m> ?
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• 539[06:16:25] <stevendale> somiaj, I'll use #debian-offtopic if you tell ph4nt0m that too
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• 542[06:17:53] <Kurogane> somiaj, because is in another drive and that drive can't boot?
• 543[06:19:05] <rant> anyone by chance know how to actually fix an index of a broken video file? vlc will prompt for it and mplayer has -idx and both say they fix it but it doesnt actually save the index because playing the file again it has to do it all over :P
• 544[06:19:20] <somiaj> Kurogane: you might be able to just copy the binary database and not have to have two mysql instances running. But I think in theory it would work porivded you ahve the chroot setup correctly and run on a different port.
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• 552[06:24:30] <Kurogane> somiaj, how copy binary database?
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• 554[06:28:10] <somiaj> Kurogane: I think the binary format is located in /var somewhere, maybe /var/lib/mysql
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• 557[06:30:34] <Kurogane> somiaj, you mean just copy the database folder?
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• 559[06:31:16] <somiaj> depends on how you have mysql setup, but yes you can just copy over the binary folder to the server (then restart it), and it should detect the database. You may have to setup access to it for non-root users though.
• 560[06:31:35] <somiaj> though the mysql versions need to be similar and configured to use the same binary format for the databse
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• 613[07:37:33] <vlt> rant: ffmpeg might do that.
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• 660[08:27:21] <TakWah> Is there a way to make mpd only transcode when a client demands an icecast2 stream?
• 661[08:27:51] <TakWah> it takes 50-70 % on the raspberry and nobody is using it most of the time.
• 662[08:28:35] <TakWah> Who is the master between the two, because icecast2 has an on-demand option.
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• 666[08:30:25] <TakWah> Raspian is an debian right?
• 667[08:30:48] <bazhang> TakWah, not supported here, they have their own channel
• 668[08:31:08] <TakWah> I don't understand?
• 669[08:31:32] <bazhang> /msg alis list raspbian to find their support channel TakWah
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• 671[08:32:04] <TakWah> Why, my question isn't Raspian specific?
• 672[08:32:49] <bazhang> TakWah, are you using raspbian, or debian proper
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• 674[08:33:18] <leachim6> TakWah is right, it's not raspbian specific because it has nothing to do with debian either, it's an MPD question
• 675[08:33:40] <bazhang> mpd probably has a channel here on freenode as well
• 676[08:33:45] <leachim6> indeed
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• 678[08:34:00] <leachim6> #mpd
• 679[08:34:06] <TakWah> leachim6: okay, so that I can live with, though I assumed maybe someone had experience with this package, if not so, you're right, I shall look elsewhere.
• 680[08:34:21] <TakWah> That I didn't know, I apologize.
• 681[08:34:27] <TakWah> Thank you.
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• 683[08:35:09] <bazhang> welcome
• 684[08:35:11] <TakWah> Take this as a sign of how much of a noob I am, I didn't assume something like that was this specific that if warranted it's own channel, my bad.
• 685[08:35:15] <TakWah> l8r
• 686[08:35:26] <codingquark> Hello! After attaching my Android phone to the computer, I turn on USB tethering. However, `ip a` doesn't show any new interface. How should I debug this?
• 687[08:35:47] <leachim6> I imagine there needs to be a module loaded for that
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• 689[08:36:43] <codingquark> leachim6: which?
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• 704[08:50:25] <rant> vlt: yeah I had a similar thought. I think mplayer actually makes an idx file seperately IIRC.. been ages.. rarely I run across a file that isnt indexed but when I do its annoying the player says fixing.. and sometimes it takes awhile, and then it does it again on next play :P
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• 737[09:23:44] <atralheaven> in a fresh install, is there any file in user home folder that its owner by default is not the user?
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• 739[09:24:56] <alkisg> atralheaven: no
• 740[09:26:38] <atralheaven> I accidentally set the owner of any file in home folder of the user to user, like chown user */*/* , I wanted to make sure everything is safe! so its ok, thanks
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• 758[09:39:45] <rant> atralheaven: chown -R user:user /home/user
• 759[09:39:56] <rant> atralheaven: as root, that is the command to do the whole homedir
• 760[09:40:14] <alkisg> That's what he did, and he was asking if it was ok
• 761[09:40:20] <atralheaven> yes
• 762[09:40:23] <vlt> rant: THat's because tools like mplayer are _players_ and not supposed to alter the data of the file.
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• 765[09:41:02] <rant> you said something like chown user */*/* which isn't what I'd said.. heh.. first of all just "user" only does owner not also group owner
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• 767[09:41:48] <rant> but yeah, I do it quite often as I move a lot of data around and sometimes do it on machines with different UIDs and such
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• 769[09:42:31] <rant> vlt: well then they shouldnt claim to "fix" it :P but as I say I vaguely recall that mplayer can create the index as a seperate file
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• 773[09:49:20] <alkisg> I think vlc can do that as well, but it's generally better to just delete the movie and redownload it :D
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• 786[10:09:33] <natten> Im in this position: replaced-url
• 787[10:09:34] <natten> Anyone knows how i can add the spare to the array and rebuild so i am left with a (not degraded) raid6 array with 11 drives?
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• 819[10:32:02] <qifan> morning :>
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• 839[10:52:23] <moozer> Have any of you looked into changing bios settings from linux?
• 840[10:52:45] <moozer> With all the trouble ubuntu had with UEFI, I'm thinking it might be possible
• 841[10:52:49] <Iridos> not for more than 10 years
• 842[10:52:54] <BanHammor> highly system-specific task, look at manufacturer instructions if they have any
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• 845[10:53:23] <BanHammor> unless you mean, like, UEFI boot priorities, which you can totally change
• 846[10:53:46] <moozer> BanHammor, I want to enabl boot-on-lan
• 847[10:54:29] <BanHammor> can't you do this from the gui you get on pressing DEL?
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• 849[10:55:18] <moozer> BanHammor, I want to automate :-) Do you have a program name for a program that can change boot order in UEFI?
• 850[10:56:18] <BanHammor> enabling boot on lan sounds like a thing you only do once.
• 851[10:57:20] <moozer> BanHammor, yes - I don't want to mess with keyboard+monitor if I can avoid it
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• 854[10:59:00] <BanHammor> the tool that changes EFI boot entries is efibootmgr. And it will probably not help you boot on lan.
• 855[10:59:12] <alkisg> moozer: the bios/uefi settings are not stored in a way that is normally accessible from the OS, so you would need a lot of tinkering to do it only for one specific board. Then multiply that with the number of boards you want to support.
• 856[10:59:34] <alkisg> moozer: so, enabling "lan boot rom" isn't a normal uefi setting, not related to boot order etc
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• 859[11:01:02] <moozer> alkisg, That was what my security mindedness was hoping for :-)
• 860[11:01:08] <moozer> I'll find an alternate solution
• 861[11:01:47] <alkisg> moozer: sometimes you even have to go to the bios settings twice, one to enable boot lan/boot rom, and a second time so that the boot order actually sees it so that you can select it
• 862[11:02:03] <alkisg> I don't think you'll find any reliable method other than "do it once manually for all boards"
• 863[11:02:30] <moozer> or ave a bunch of USB stick that can do bot on lan.
• 864[11:02:34] <moozer> boot-on-lan
• 865[11:02:40] <alkisg> ipxe can boot from lan with most cards
• 866[11:02:47] <alkisg> You can put that in stick, cd, hd, wherever
• 867[11:03:11] <moozer> That will probably be the solution
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• 870[11:06:16] <bites> why ipxe? doesn't the mobo alredy have pxe capability and you only need to enable it?
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• 873[11:06:29] <bites> and are we talking about PXE or wake-on-lan now?
• 874[11:06:33] <alkisg> Strangely, that's what he's trying to avoid :)
• 875[11:07:01] <bites> yeah, because ipxe is easier than enabling a setting in bios?
• 876[11:07:13] <alkisg> Dunno. The bios is also usually more reliable.
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• 878[11:07:35] <alkisg> ipxe works on ~95% of pci cards, but only on ~70% of onboard cards
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• 893[11:24:44] * qifan ask what is the software simillar to mamp
• 894[11:24:47] <qifan> to linux
• 895[11:24:55] <qifan> to code php well
• 896[11:24:56] <qifan> :>
• 897[11:25:09] <qifan> that is syntax imbued
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• 911[11:36:35] <cq1> Hey folks. For dumb reasons I tend to have insane numbers of tiny files, and I want to up the inode count when Debian is mkfs.ext4ing my filesystem during installation. Is there an easy way to do this during installation?
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• 914[11:38:01] <BanHammor> cq1, easiest to just format it beforehand
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• 916[11:38:21] <Iridos> You can drop out to a shell during installation and do all the partitioning manually… dunno if that qualifies as "easy"
• 917[11:38:55] <Iridos> I guess you can also let the installer do all partitioning and then just modify or re-create the one file system you want to have differently
• 918[11:39:19] <BanHammor> honestly, i never had a good experience with the busybox shell the installer gives you
• 919[11:39:36] <Iridos> or just take something like xfs
• 920[11:40:08] <BanHammor> or btrfs :))))
• 921[11:40:19] <Iridos> well, that also has a limit, only differently…
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• 923[11:40:34] <Iridos> well, sure, or write your data to /dev/null
• 924[11:40:40] <Iridos> but zfsmaybe
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• 928[11:42:34] <Iridos> oh well… maybe I'm a just a tad biased there… but hearing that suse made btrfs the default screams at me: "it'll lose data"
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• 930[11:44:14] <BanHammor> nah btrfs still being buggy is a pretty popular sentiment
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• 935[11:49:54] <[[R]]> /etc/securetty only has tty1 in it and /etc/pam.d/login requires pam_securetty.so, yet I can login as root in any terminal :(. Ideas why this could be?
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• 943[11:55:15] <mpo> What would be a sane explanation for the observation that the root prompt has changed from '#' to '$' after a reboot? I did not touch any of the profiles.
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• 954[12:01:08] <BanHammor> mpo, something changed your profiles all the same :) check where your PS1 comes from.
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• 959[12:03:39] <jrabe> mpo: make sure your PS1 has '\$' in it, not '$'. If that's the case, make sure $EUID is 0.
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• 969[12:13:10] <qifan> any good plataform to make a website ?
• 970[12:13:26] <qifan> github desktop has no port for linux :(
• 971[12:13:27] <mpo> Thanks guys. I don't have time for that now - it's a typical Monday. I'll have to check that later. I thought maybe you've heard of other people with the same issue
• 972[12:14:37] <BanHammor> qifan, define "make a website"?
• 973[12:14:45] <qifan> start from the scratch
• 974[12:14:46] <qifan> :>
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• 977[12:14:52] <qifan> html with php
• 978[12:14:57] <BanHammor> like, github desktop is not a platform for making websites
• 979[12:15:24] <qifan> you have the paper to code, and its sensitive to php architecture
• 980[12:15:31] <qifan> and replaces the erros
• 981[12:15:33] <qifan> :>
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• 983[12:15:54] <qifan> if you type yes its types true etc....
• 984[12:15:59] <BanHammor> uh, atom then
• 985[12:16:03] <qifan> ty
• 986[12:16:04] <qifan> :>
• 987[12:16:25] <BanHammor> maybe not 1:1 what you need but it's a reasonably good text editor with PHP highlight support
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• 989[12:16:41] <qifan> indeed and html?
• 990[12:17:14] <qifan> what is the command to install it ?
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• 994[12:18:11] <mpo> Looking for an IDE? Check out the jetbrains stuff
• 995[12:18:33] <BanHammor> atom is not in Debian repos, but they build .debs: replaced-url
• 996[12:18:35] <qifan> nvm i found it :>
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• 998[12:18:43] <qifan> ty ty ty ^^
• 999[12:19:12] <brontosaurusrex> debian > windows machine screen options? rdp? something else? I don't need stelar performance from windows
• 1000[12:19:24] <brontosaurusrex> And if rdp, what software?
• 1001[12:19:54] <BanHammor> brontosaurusrex, to clarify: windows is the client, debian is the server?
• 1002[12:20:22] <brontosaurusrex> uhmm, yes, two desktops
• 1003[12:20:35] <BanHammor> well, i meant in terms of which controls which
• 1004[12:20:40] <brontosaurusrex> yes, debian is server
• 1005[12:21:10] <qifan> atom is verry decent
• 1006[12:21:11] <qifan> :>
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• 1008[12:22:54] <shingouz> if a non-running linux system drive is mounted to another running linux system, the listing will show empty /proc /sys and /dev directories?
• 1009[12:23:24] <BanHammor> shingouz, unless you bind-mount them, yes
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• 1011[12:24:07] <BanHammor> brontosaurusrex, i haven't done this in a while, but both RDP and VNC connections are possible - look at freeRDP, XRDP, tigerVNC, etc
• 1012[12:24:42] <shingouz> thanks, that is what i thought too. having some serious problems trying to move a system to another drive and as i have to do a nice sshfs/cp/chroot/whathaveyou mess, i just wanted to be sure. thanks BanHammor
• 1013[12:25:32] <BanHammor> there's also X via putty
• 1014[12:25:39] <BanHammor> and ssh in the same manner
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• 1019[12:32:05] <shingouz> around 60G through an ancient 10base-T nic... the damn thing glows a dull red already :p
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• 1021[12:33:48] <vlt> brontosaurusrex: vncserver, xrdp
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• 1031[12:42:00] <cq1> BanHammor: Iridos: Okay, good suggestions. I'll format it ahead of time.
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• 1038[12:51:41] <brontosaurusrex> BanHammor: mkay
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• 1040[12:53:08] <brontosaurusrex> BanHammor: I found something called remmina in repos, which is a gui and seems to support rdp ...
• 1041[12:53:39] <BanHammor> sure. i thought it was a client gui rather than a server one.
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• 1045[13:00:15] <brontosaurusrex> right, win is server.
• 1046[13:00:16] <alkisg> brontosaurusrex: check x2go
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• 1048[13:00:43] <alkisg> You want to control windows from debian? OK then remmina or xfreerdp
• 1049[13:00:54] <alkisg> I thought you said the opposite
• 1050[13:01:02] <brontosaurusrex> yeah, i said wrong.
• 1051[13:01:12] <alkisg> And of course vnc works as well
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• 1063[13:14:00] <dob1> hi, I have a script that execute a remote command via ssh (authentication via key), If I execute it with my user it runs ok. Now I have put it in crontab of the user but I get
• 1064[13:14:22] <dob1> Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied (publickey,password).
• 1065[13:14:22] <dob1> why?
• 1066[13:15:19] <kopper> Does crontab run it as root and you haven't defined username in your ssh command?
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• 1070[13:16:12] <dob1> kopper, this is what I was thinking, but If I define crontab via crontab -e from my user it has to run as my user imho
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• 1073[13:17:04] <frostschutz> dob1, the key is without passphrase? anyway, ssh -vvvvv and compare. cron usually has very little in its environment (PATH etc.) that breaks a lot of scripts (you have to set env vars in crontab)
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• 1075[13:18:45] <evaluate> Hello.
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• 1077[13:19:21] <evaluate> Is there any proper way (without having to execute shell commands) to interact with apt (install/remove packages) from a perl script?
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• 1081[13:19:58] <evaluate> I can't seem to find any modules/libraries that would allow me to do this natively in perl...
• 1082[13:21:35] <dob1> frostschutz, the key has a passphrase
• 1083[13:22:13] <dob1> but I use keychain so it is loaded first time I login
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• 1085[13:26:01] <frostschutz> keychain might not work with cron, you'd have to check
• 1086[13:26:28] <frostschutz> ssh -vvv should tell you what it's trying to do and where it fails
• 1087[13:26:51] <dob1> now I am trying via pass, using sshpass
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• 1099[13:35:12] <Megaf> Folks, why task-lxde-desktop is so bloated?
• 1100[13:35:37] <Megaf> it comes with deluge, gnome-disk-utility, adawaita icons and gtk theme
• 1101[13:35:44] <Megaf> and more gnome components
• 1102[13:36:00] <Megaf> the very reason soemone will want to use lxde is precisely to not use gnome
• 1103[13:36:06] <Megaf> and its components
• 1104[13:36:34] <Megaf> debian lxde desktop installed is just as big and bloated (arround 4 GB) as GNOME 3 desktop, so whats the point?
• 1105[13:37:03] <Megaf> also, it always install lots of speech stuff and on screen keyboards
• 1106[13:37:17] <Megaf> It is great it have that, but it should be optional
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• 1108[13:37:39] <Megaf> even the PDF viewer is the gnome one
• 1109[13:37:57] <meowtism> Megaf: source code and buildscripts are there, you can just recompile it in whatever way you want.
• 1110[13:38:09] <Megaf> wrong answer
• 1111[13:38:34] <meowtism> actually this is the wrong place to complain about it.
• 1112[13:38:34] <Megaf> I asked why lxde desktop on debian is so bloated and Im pointing the facts Im making my question
• 1113[13:38:43] <alkisg> Megaf: the smaller DEs don't have all tools and borrow tools from bigger DEs
• 1114[13:39:05] <alkisg> If the maintainers think that a lightweight pdf reader is not adequate, they'll include a bigger one
• 1115[13:39:17] <Megaf> actually lxde does have the tools, and if theres something lacking, theres plenty of tiny gtk app that perform just as well
• 1116[13:39:39] <alkisg> So no, the point isn't to avoid gtk apps, but to select the apps that do the job (whatever that means to the maintainers), while keeping it as lightweight as possible
• 1117[13:39:42] <Megaf> and if someone is not happy, then at least tools from XFCE or MATE could be used instead
• 1118[13:39:44] <alkisg> Your metrics may vary there
• 1119[13:39:57] <meowtism> Megaf: the maintainers have complied things the way they have because of bugs etc, some things dont always make sense because you dont know the situation and think its all neat an tidy when infact its not at all.
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• 1121[13:40:07] <Megaf> I was testing MATE desktop before, almost nothing at all from GNOME there
• 1122[13:40:14] <alkisg> MATE is a gnome fork
• 1123[13:40:19] <BCMM> Megaf: pretty much, task-*-desktop aim to produce a pretty much complete desktop system with all the normal utils and productivity stuff you might need
• 1124[13:40:20] <alkisg> So it has the older apps of gnome
• 1125[13:40:29] <BCMM> if you want something more minimal, just don't use a task
• 1126[13:40:32] <Megaf> the point is, the very reason someone will use LXDE is to have a tiny system
• 1127[13:40:36] <alkisg> No
• 1128[13:40:42] <alkisg> This is only your opinion
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• 1130[13:41:01] <Megaf> in the installer, the only thing I selected on that list was LXDE, I didnt select gnome desktop
• 1131[13:41:05] <meowtism> alkisg: Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment
• 1132[13:41:08] <meowtism> so Megaf does have a point
• 1133[13:41:19] <alkisg> Desktop Environment
• 1134[13:41:22] <alkisg> Means full list of apps
• 1135[13:41:28] <alkisg> While keeping it lightweight
• 1136[13:41:40] <meowtism> just use wmii and your life will be great[tm]
• 1137[13:41:47] <alkisg> Or openbox :)
• 1138[13:41:50] <meowtism> ;)
• 1139[13:41:54] <alkisg> Completely light, just an xterm there :D
• 1140[13:42:05] <meowtism> alkisg: thats what we like to hear
• 1141[13:42:06] <Megaf> the recommends for LXDE are just insane
• 1142[13:42:36] <alkisg> Many people actually avoid lxde because it's not bloaded enough
• 1143[13:42:42] <alkisg> It doesn't have all the features necessary
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• 1145[13:42:50] <Megaf> If I had selected debian desktop in hte installer than maybe you guys would have a point
• 1146[13:43:10] <alkisg> What do you think "Debian desktop" means?
• 1147[13:43:16] <meowtism> is enlightenment still a thing?
• 1148[13:43:24] <Megaf> meowtism: not on Debian
• 1149[13:43:35] <meowtism> shame, it used to be really nice on my old machine
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• 1151[13:43:44] <meowtism> but was too flashy for me
• 1152[13:43:47] <Megaf> meowtism: debian still have ancient E17
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• 1154[13:44:15] <meowtism> well if you are looking for lightweight id go with something like that wmii or fluxbox/openbox. not a DE
• 1155[13:44:43] <alkisg> It's quite possible to just make a list similar to lxde, just avoiding the packages you don't like
• 1156[13:44:55] <Megaf> LXDE on itself is perfect and it does have plenty of nice tools for a nice deskto
• 1157[13:45:12] <Megaf> LXDE = OpenBox + Collection of light tools
• 1158[13:45:18] <BCMM> i still don't understand the problem - why not just *not install the task*?
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• 1160[13:45:31] <Megaf> heck, gnome-disk-utility instead of gparted?
• 1161[13:45:50] <meowtism> fdisk?
• 1162[13:45:54] <Megaf> I just selected LXDE on the installer, that's all
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• 1164[13:46:32] <Megaf> BCMM: less old grumpy linux user mind and more normla person mind please
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• 1166[13:46:43] <luxpir> new question: cannot delete a file with filename "4"
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• 1168[13:46:48] <luxpir> how?
• 1169[13:46:58] <meowtism> luxpir: ?
• 1170[13:47:08] <alkisg> luxpir: it may have a space after 4, try tab to autocomplete the name
• 1171[13:47:12] <BCMM> Megaf: well, for future reference, if you want any kind of very minimal debian system, deselect all tasks at the installer menu, and then apt-get just what you want to use
• 1172[13:47:13] <alkisg> Type: rm 4<tab here>
• 1173[13:47:25] <luxpir> tried tabbing
• 1174[13:47:34] <alkisg> And, did it autocomplete?
• 1175[13:47:41] <BanHammor> what error does it show?
• 1176[13:47:42] <Megaf> luxpir: rm "4" ?
• 1177[13:47:45] <luxpir> it was an mp4 file I copied via sftp, must have typod in an extra 4 before the real destination
• 1178[13:47:52] <luxpir> Megaf: tried
• 1179[13:47:55] <meowtism> rm 4\space
• 1180[13:47:57] <BCMM> Megaf: the tasks are basically user-friendly defaults - if you want minimalism, accept that you're a grumpy old linux user type and put a tiny tiny bit of work in:)
• 1181[13:48:08] <alkisg> luxpir: ls 4, does it list the file?
• 1182[13:48:11] <alkisg> Or, ls 4*
• 1183[13:48:22] <luxpir> nope alkisg
• 1184[13:48:29] <luxpir> just shows up under ls or ls -lah
• 1185[13:48:48] <alkisg> luxpir: don't you have a file manager, or even mc?
• 1186[13:48:53] <luxpir> 864M, so I know it's 'data'
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• 1188[13:49:04] <luxpir> alkisg: good shout. will grab ranger and try there
• 1189[13:49:09] <alkisg> Otherwise, find a command that lists ONLY that file, e.g. ls *4*
• 1190[13:49:11] <luxpir> odd though, eh?
• 1191[13:49:22] <alkisg> Nah, just some invisible character. Even <enter>
• 1192[13:49:38] <luxpir> that latest did it alkisg, but also brought up a few others. think I can rm all anyway
• 1193[13:49:58] <alkisg> luxpir: just for the fun of it
• 1194[13:50:00] <alkisg> run this:
• 1195[13:50:04] <luxpir> yay done alkisg
• 1196[13:50:07] <alkisg> echo *4* | hexchat -C
• 1197[13:50:08] <BanHammor> or maybe the 4 is not a 4, but a quirky unicode thing
• 1198[13:50:09] <alkisg> ...too late :D
• 1199[13:50:12] <luxpir> oh too late
• 1200[13:50:15] <luxpir> shame!
• 1201[13:50:25] <alkisg> *hexdump, I meant
• 1202[13:50:26] <BCMM> Megaf: and i'm not being "grumpy" - i'm trying to tell you how you can fix this problem. did you come here for a solution, or just to complain to some random people?
• 1203[13:50:48] <Megaf> BCMM: I know very well how to fix the issue, Im not asking for help
• 1204[13:50:53] <luxpir> thanks alkisg - your nick isn't a swedish one is it?
• 1205[13:50:57] <BCMM> Megaf: ah, i see
• 1206[13:51:16] <Megaf> BCMM: Tho a normal user might not know how to remove all the gnome rubbish from his LXDE installation
• 1207[13:51:17] <alkisg> luxpir: haha no it's Greek, I know it means "drunk person" or something in Swedish :)
• 1208[13:51:30] <luxpir> hehe alkisg alcoholic, yeah
• 1209[13:51:31] <Megaf> and then they might thing that Debian and LXDE are bloated
• 1210[13:51:44] <alkisg> Megaf: IRC is mostly for solving issues, while for wishless bug reports, there are bug trackers
• 1211[13:51:44] <luxpir> but efharisto to you anyway alkisg
• 1212[13:51:45] <Megaf> heck, people are using Lubuntu instead because Debian is too fat
• 1213[13:52:06] <Megaf> something is very very wrong
• 1214[13:52:13] <alkisg> luxpir: Väl bekomme :)
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• 1217[13:52:32] <alkisg> *wishlist, meh something's wrong with me today :D
• 1218[13:52:37] <luxpir> alkisg: I'm English, but tack i alla fall :)
• 1219[13:53:01] <Megaf> Also, I didnt select printing support on the list, yet I got tons of printingstuff and apps
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• 1221[13:53:42] <alkisg> And you think lubuntu doesn't have tons of printstuff and apps? :)
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• 1223[13:53:48] <Megaf> The thing I cant remove is adwaita theme
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• 1225[13:54:23] <Megaf> the icon theme that is
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• 1227[13:57:16] <Megaf> will get there
• 1228[13:57:41] <Megaf> will remove libreoffice and all its deps because is just insane too
• 1229[13:57:58] <Megaf> best thing is just get libreoffice from the document foundation
• 1230[13:58:07] <Megaf> you get more tools and way smaller footprint
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• 1246[14:13:38] <dob1> I am not able to run a script that execute a another script remotely via ssh
• 1247[14:13:40] <dob1> using cron
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• 1249[14:13:58] <dob1> just running the script it works, but when I put it on cron, nothing
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• 1251[14:14:05] <dob1> and I don't know how to debug it
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• 1253[14:15:06] <BanHammor> write the output/err to a file?
• 1254[14:15:40] <dob1> the script I am running script.sh, is like sshpass -f passfile ssh user@host 'bash -s' < somescript and it works. but when I put on crontab script.sh it hangs
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• 1256[14:17:50] <dob1> why it has to not work?
• 1257[14:18:00] <dob1> if I run it as ./script.sh it works
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• 1259[14:18:04] <dob1> why not on crontab?
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• 1261[14:18:48] <metastable> It would help if we could see your crontab.
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• 1263[14:19:18] <dob1> it's very simple 09 14 * * * /path/to/script.sh
• 1264[14:20:02] <BanHammor> ...well, for example, at some point ssh expects an interactive session and doesn't get one. are you sure you can't pipe stderr to file?
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• 1266[14:20:11] <metastable> Please pastebin your crontab file, without changing or masking data. It would also help to see your script.
• 1267[14:20:16] <dob1> I assume that if I edit crontab from my user (crontab -e) the script is run as my user
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• 1270[14:21:14] <dob1> 09 14 * * * /home/user01/bin/connect_and_sync.sh
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• 1272[14:21:53] <metastable> And now the contents of the script itself.
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• 1277[14:23:12] <dob1> I have to mask it a bit: /usr/bin/sshpass -f secret_file ssh user@host 'bash -s' < /home/user01/another_script.sh
• 1278[14:23:28] <dob1> but I repeat launching the script works!
• 1279[14:23:46] <metastable> No, you actually don't have to mask it at all.
• 1280[14:24:05] <metastable> Filenames, usernames, and unqualified hostnames aren't sensitive.
• 1281[14:24:06] <dob1> I can't write the real host
• 1282[14:24:22] <metastable> Yes, you can. But whatever.
• 1283[14:24:37] <metastable> And what's the contents of the second script?
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• 1287[14:26:19] <dob1> but sorry, when I edit crontab with crontab -e and I add a crontab job, this will be run with my user or the cron user?
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• 1289[14:26:49] <metastable> Assuming you ran the command as your user, your user.
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• 1293[14:29:41] <dob1> ok I tried this 29 14 * * * whoami and as cronjob mail I get my username
• 1294[14:29:57] <metastable> I still haven't seen what's in the second script.
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• 1298[14:31:28] <dob1> metastable, ok but I know what you will ask next :) replaced-url
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• 1300[14:31:51] <metastable> What kind of mess is this?
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• 1302[14:32:28] <dob1> they were 2 script at the start, on the crontab job I have the sshpass thing, but to test I created an extra script with the sshpass thing
• 1303[14:33:26] <dob1> but the idea is this script is executed remotely, If some partition is mounted it execute another script
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• 1305[14:33:45] <metastable> This sounds like a very hackish solution.
• 1306[14:35:25] <dob1> I don't know
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• 1309[14:37:34] <metastable> I do.
• 1310[14:37:39] <metastable> It's a very hackish solution.
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• 1312[14:40:26] <dob1> in practice this script could be put as cron job of the remote machine but instead I want to create on my local machine a cron job that execute this script remotely
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• 1346[15:06:00] <Sark> £«SШ£û
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• 1370[15:27:43] <ZeroBeholder> So, my onboard NIC works-- it is using a realtek chip 8189? I can't remember, I can look it up. But, the weirdest thing-- apt-get install firmware-realtek --says that the package doesn't exist for stretch. I do have non-free enabled for base, updates, and security repos... running apt-cach search realtek yields nothing. replaced-url
• 1371[15:27:44] <ZeroBeholder> ...says it exists. firmware-atheros and firmware-misc-nonfree installed fine...
• 1372[15:28:55] <ZeroBeholder> I'm obviously doing something wrong-- just not sure what.
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• 1374[15:29:34] <_0xis> apt-cache search realtek works for me - also on stretch
• 1375[15:29:41] <bitess> ZeroBeholder: did you run apt update? can you paste the ourput of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy firmware-realtek" to paste.debian.net?
• 1376[15:32:50] <ZeroBeholder> paste.debian.net/1008888
• 1377[15:33:01] <ZeroBeholder> I did run update...
• 1378[15:33:37] <ZeroBeholder> I also ran upgrade with 0 something and 0 to be installed.
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• 1380[15:34:14] <bitess> ZeroBeholder: you are missing quite a few repos.
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• 1382[15:34:43] <mpo> Is KMail still showing difficulties with larger amounts of emails and/or filters? I frequently have to kill akonadi_imap_resource
• 1383[15:34:51] <bitess> !sources.list
• 1384[15:34:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1385[15:34:54] <natten> Im in this position: replaced-url
• 1386[15:34:54] <natten> Anyone knows how i can add the spare to the array and rebuild so i am left with a (not degraded) raid6 array with 11 drives?
• 1387[15:34:58] <ZeroBeholder> I am missing my first line of /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1388[15:35:09] <ZeroBeholder> The second deb-src is the top line.
• 1389[15:35:57] <bitess> you need three lines each with main contrib non-free
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• 1391[15:36:49] <ZeroBeholder> It was there at one time-- I swear. Not exactly sure what I did to nuke it at some point in time.
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• 1410[15:51:39] <ZeroBeholder> On to attaching my wireless card to my bridged ethernet ports. As much as I would like help to make it go faster by just asking for the answer-- I'm going to do some serial failing to see if I learn anything. 4addr looks like it will be easy, but any which way you slice it I think I'm going to need to do some packet finagling so that they don't just get dropped. Mangling IPTables or...
• 1411[15:51:41] <ZeroBeholder> ...something like that.
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• 1415[15:54:07] <simpledat> Hi. What is the best looking desktop for debian? MATE, Gnome ?
• 1416[15:54:16] <darxmurf> Awesome
• 1417[15:54:17] <darxmurf> :D
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• 1427[16:01:38] <NetTerminalGene> simpledat, kde
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• 1429[16:02:20] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: KDE plasma?
• 1430[16:02:24] <NetTerminalGene> yes
• 1431[16:03:25] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: What do you think about Cinnamon?
• 1432[16:03:56] <NetTerminalGene> i haven't used it since years
• 1433[16:04:04] <NetTerminalGene> i don't know
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• 1435[16:04:44] <Iridos> the one that you configured such that you think it is best-looking
• 1436[16:05:09] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: Whats the different between KDE plasma and KDE neon?
• 1437[16:05:20] <NetTerminalGene> kde neon is a distro
• 1438[16:05:45] <simpledat> Oh ok
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• 1440[16:07:53] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: Can you compare KDE plasma to MATE?
• 1441[16:08:49] <NetTerminalGene> i think kde plasma has more customization options
• 1442[16:09:17] <simpledat> also looks better? modern?
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• 1447[16:09:57] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene ^
• 1448[16:10:07] <NetTerminalGene> sure
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• 1452[16:11:46] <NetTerminalGene> i used kde plasma in debian stable but its archiver didn't extract compressed file completely. so i don't trust anymore and swithed to gnome
• 1453[16:12:10] <simpledat> NetTerminalGene: Why did you told me to use KDE plasma then? :P
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• 1455[16:12:41] <NetTerminalGene> you asked best looking desktop :p
• 1456[16:13:03] <simpledat> Yeah sure :) But I want stable desktop too
• 1457[16:13:19] <ZeroBeholder> simpledat: I like KDE and it is what I install when I need a Debian GUI. For my daily driver I use Kubuntu-- which is just Ubuntu with KDE instead of the standard Gnome||Unity desktop. KDE Neon would be similar to Kubuntu. KDE plasma kind of just comes with KDE as best I know, an integral part from my perspective.
• 1458[16:13:24] <NetTerminalGene> i found gnome well
• 1459[16:14:22] <Aramis> KDE plasma is a resource hog in my experience, and way too buggy
• 1460[16:14:38] <NetTerminalGene> gnome is more resource hog
• 1461[16:15:28] <simpledat> ZeroBeholder: is KDE neon more lightweight then Kubuntu with KDE?
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• 1463[16:15:31] <_0xis> I'm partial to XFCE or i3wm depending on who it's for.
• 1464[16:15:47] <BluesKaj> 'morning
• 1465[16:16:01] <_0xis> wife and kids get xfce
• 1466[16:16:03] <simpledat> What do you guys think about Debian with MATE? Is it stable?
• 1467[16:16:35] <simpledat> Good to use?
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• 1469[16:16:48] <ZeroBeholder> Aramis: Yeah, as time has passed there is a lot KDE is doing that I'd prefer it didn't-- like visual effects, I don't need transparency or animation shifts on my servers. Give me a dumb Dolphin window and I'm a happy camper. I don't need a music player... Indexing my files, no thanks. But, I don't do the research to turn all of it off and that's what I get for being lazy.
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• 1472[16:17:42] <babilen> _0xis: My motherly unit used XFCE for quite a while, but actually prefers GNOME 3 these days. I'm with you on i3wm though :)
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• 1474[16:18:15] <_0xis> yea, I got xfce looking pretty nice. It runs well on lower spec systems too
• 1475[16:18:18] <ZeroBeholder> simpledat: KDE neon is more like Arch Linux-- bleeding edge stuff. Newest, latest, "greatest"
• 1476[16:18:31] <ZeroBeholder> simpledat: I think.
• 1477[16:18:45] <ZeroBeholder> simpledat: I don't use it.
• 1478[16:19:38] <bogus-> I don't think mate has a long future ahead of it
• 1479[16:19:49] <bogus-> but that's my personal opinion
• 1480[16:19:55] <babilen> +1
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• 1482[16:20:24] <simpledat> bogus-: What do you mean?
• 1483[16:20:46] <bogus-> it started as a project: "let's keep gnome 2, but with some new tech"
• 1484[16:21:05] <bogus-> where do you draw the line in where it's not gnome2-ey enough
• 1485[16:21:19] <alkisg> That's still a better starting point than most other DEs though :D
• 1486[16:21:26] <bogus-> it's a dead end street imo
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• 1490[16:23:34] <ZeroBeholder> simpledat: For me, the second one I'd choose and have used for it's meager resource consumption is XFCE. It isn't as pretty (or for me familiar). But, you could do so much worse than XFCE. It works well when I need it, nothing bad to say about it. But, the tradeoff is that the more resource intensive projects look nicer-- which is not bad, or surprising.
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• 1493[16:24:40] <ebarrett> has anyone managed to install jdk8 from backports on debian 8 recently?
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• 1495[16:24:49] <ebarrett> ` openjdk-8-jre-headless : Breaks: ca-certificates-java (< 20160321~) but 20140324 is to be installed`
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• 1520[16:41:53] <ZeroBeholder> ebarrett: I have not, jerkhole me usually adds the not recommended Oracle java using the webupd8team repo. There is a reason it is not recommended. The Debian package maintainers do a really good job making sure you don't get into some kind of dependency nightmare. That being said if you are willing to risk your system being jacked and you don't have to worry about regulatory oversights or...
• 1521[16:41:55] <ZeroBeholder> ...high security concerns. I use the webupd8team ppa and haven't yet had a problem. Read into that I go into it prepared to possibly have problems.
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• 1523[16:43:20] <ebarrett> i ended up getting it working by adding `-t jessie-backports`
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• 1718[19:03:25] <brimonk> Does anyone know how to get hashcat running on Debian? I compiled it from GitHub, but I keep getting the message, "Cannot find an OpenCL ICD loader library."
• 1719[19:03:54] <brimonk> And I'm not certain how to install the opencl runtime/drivers on Debian. Intel provides redhat/centos instructions, but I'm really kind of hoping there's just a package for it.
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• 1729[19:08:21] <hypn0> virtual packages
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• 1755[19:26:45] <brimonk> hypn0: If I wanted to install only the Intel one, should I install 'beignet-opencl-icd' instead?
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• 1760[19:29:08] <hypn0> it should install the correct one for your system it seems, but I guess yeh, click on amd64 link at bottom
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• 1762[19:29:43] <hypn0> you might need to install the dependencies first
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• 1764[19:30:29] <hypn0> that's why a package manager is better
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• 1782[19:41:38] <nkaretnikov> how do I download linux with udebs?
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• 1785[19:44:11] <sine0> hey folks. If i want to install lamp on the debian install I have is there a meta package
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• 1788[19:47:21] <metastable> No.
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• 1790[19:48:48] <metastable> Install apache2, php, and mariadb-server.
• 1791[19:48:57] <hypn0> search for "debian lamp" in browser sine0
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• 1799[19:56:06] <somiaj> sine0: debian provides various choices on what webserver you want to use, maybe you want ngnix instaed of apache, or postgres for your sql server. As such it is better to install the actual software you want to use for your setup.
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• 1801[19:56:35] <somiaj> hence, a meta package for lamp is overrated. (also many thin python or perl is a better meaning of p than php)
• 1802[19:57:13] <somiaj> nkaretnikov: your question is very vague, by linux, do you mean th elinux kenrel? And why do you want them as udebs?
• 1803[19:57:17] <infinity_> I'm running into this bug. How can I find out if it'll ever be resolved? replaced-url
• 1804[19:57:18] <metastable> Strictly speaking, using nginx would be LEMP.
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• 1806[19:57:58] <metastable> And postgres would make it LEPP/LAPP...
• 1807[19:58:01] * metastable shuts up.
• 1808[19:58:12] <somiaj> infinity_: are you running into that bug on debian or ubuntu?
• 1809[19:58:19] <infinity_> somiaj: debian
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• 1812[19:58:34] <nkaretnikov> somiaj: i'm building a custom debian image
• 1813[19:58:43] <nkaretnikov> and want to replace some udebs that i created by hand
• 1814[19:58:48] <nkaretnikov> i wonder how simple-cdd gets them
• 1815[19:58:58] <somiaj> infinity_: first track down a bug report in the debian BTS for the issue. If there isn't one, file one and point at the ubuntu one.
• 1816[19:59:06] <nkaretnikov> there are packages in the repo, like loop-modules, but apt-cache doesn't find them
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• 1818[19:59:10] <infinity_> somiaj: i've never had kernel bugs persist for so long. Just packages, so I'm a little lost as to what to do.
• 1819[19:59:18] <infinity_> somiaj: oaky.
• 1820[19:59:41] <infinity_> somiaj: in the past kernel bugs disappear by changing kernel version for me :)
• 1821[19:59:52] <somiaj> infinity_: but in general debian devs/matainers won't look for bugs in the ubuntu BTS to fix, there is enough in debian.
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• 1823[20:00:09] <somiaj> infinity_: yea, sometimes the bug just affects only a handfull of people and is hard to track down.
• 1824[20:00:47] <somiaj> nkaretnikov: Okay. I would be clearer that is what you are doing when asking a question. I don't know the answer of where to get udebs or how to deal with them when creating a custom installer.
• 1825[20:01:01] <somiaj> nkaretnikov: any reason you actually need the udeb (these only affect what is availble during the install, not the final install)
• 1826[20:02:11] <nkaretnikov> somiaj: yeah, i just want to update the .deb package of the linux kernel, but it depends on these
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• 1828[20:02:31] <somiaj> nkaretnikov: ahh so your overall goal is to create an installer with a newer kernel?
• 1829[20:03:01] <somiaj> nkaretnikov: maybe #debian-boot or #debian-installer on irc.oftc.net can help with that question. And that is the question I would ask (not the speficis about udebs to start with)
• 1830[20:04:30] <nkaretnikov> okay, thanks. sorry for a misleading question
• 1831[20:04:54] <somiaj> it just helps to be clear on the overall goal, sometimes you have taken a path down a rabbit hole in which there is a better approach.
• 1832[20:05:37] <infinity_> somiaj: is the kernel considered "kernel-package" or linux-image-amd64 ?
• 1833[20:05:54] <infinity_> somiaj: what do i search/submit the bug against?
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• 1835[20:07:29] <somiaj> infinity_: kernel-package is something different (it is the old way to turn a kernel build into a .deb)
• 1836[20:07:37] <somiaj> infinity_: linux-image-amd64 is the meta package, don't use that
• 1837[20:08:30] <somiaj> infinity_: report against the main kernel package version you have the bug in, for example in stretch that would be linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64, you could also report it against the source package 'linux', but it is best to state the kernel version you are experincing the bug on.
• 1838[20:08:56] <infinity_> ok
• 1839[20:08:58] <infinity_> thnaks.
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• 1847[20:15:01] <satanluimm> hi everyone
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• 1849[20:18:11] <satanluimm> this one is quite of topic would be kind enough to point me in the right irc direction if nobody can answer this.
• 1850[20:18:11] <satanluimm> I have an intel based laptop with 4gb ram wich has two of them soldered on the mobo. intel website tells me i can put 16gb on. but the manufacturer says otherwise, he states i can only put 6gb in total (soldered ram included). in your experience why would that be and are they right ?
• 1851[20:18:57] <satanluimm> sry trackpad sensibility is messing with the cursor
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• 1854[20:20:15] <rakor> What is this /run for? I don't know this directory from other systems and it is not mentioned in man hier
• 1855[20:21:26] <somiaj> satanluimm: intel usually lists the capacity of the chipset, but won't know what any manufacture would do afterwards. So trust the manfuacture.
• 1856[20:22:05] <somiaj> rakor: some systems call it /var/run or /lib/run, in general it is a tmpfs file system to put runtime info for services, such as lock files, or IPC sockets.
• 1857[20:22:53] <rakor> somiaj: Ah ok, thanks :)
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• 1862[20:25:53] <bolt> satanluimm: well, you can't get a 14gb stick, so 16gb is out the window i guess. if you have access to one, try an 8gb stick. even though the manufacturer doesn't list it as compatible, it might work. don't buy anything you can't return though.
• 1863[20:26:39] <bolt> i have 8 gigs in an old core2duo laptop somewhere, that only supported 6 officially.
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• 1865[20:28:11] <satanluimm> damn it!! :S on crucial website there is a engine with info on laptops which conotains info on mine and it tells me that my laptop can take up to 10gb but the spec sheet says otherwhise!! i'm outrage by this :'(
• 1866[20:28:38] <bolt> well quit being outraged and try it
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• 1868[20:29:25] <metastable> !offtopic
• 1869[20:29:25] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1870[20:29:33] <satanluimm> yeah i should try it but i fear they will not take back memory which has been open...
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• 1872[20:29:38] <satanluimm> sry
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• 1876[20:29:54] <satanluimm> i advertised it as off topic
• 1877[20:30:10] <satanluimm> but thanks for your answers
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• 1879[20:30:22] <metastable> Doesn't matter that you advertised it as offtopic, it's offtopic.
• 1880[20:30:50] <goontl> hi guys, just wanted to know if there are any good reasons to choose debian with testing repos instead of xubuntu
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• 1882[20:31:29] <A|an> I know this is completely off topic, but...can anyone recommend a really dependable shell service, free or paid (I've had it with my commercial IP)
• 1883[20:31:30] <metastable> goontl: Testing doesn't receive security updates in a timely fashion.
• 1884[20:32:08] <metastable> A|an: You're right, that's off-topic.
• 1885[20:32:09] <goontl> metastable: what about unstable?
• 1886[20:32:28] <metastable> goontl: Is there something you need from testing/unstable that's not in stable+backports?
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• 1890[20:33:55] <goontl> metastable: not really, its just that i will be wanting not-so-old software
• 1891[20:34:03] <metastable> goontl: Why?
• 1892[20:34:14] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: The updates not being in unstable is why they're not in testing.
• 1893[20:34:15] <metastable> goontl: If it doesn't give you any additional capabilities, what's the purpose?
• 1894[20:34:22] <metastable> !sns
• 1895[20:34:22] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 1899[20:34:49] <goontl> metastable: is it easy to have an updated version of a particular programme, say GIMP?
• 1900[20:34:58] <goontl> if it is, then i might go with stable
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• 1902[20:35:27] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: Stable is expected to be in production use, and therefor potentially exposed. Vulnerabilities are patched as quickly as possible, while the updates go through the normal course of updates through sid and testing.
• 1903[20:36:04] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: testing is just that - testing. Things are expected to break, and to stay broken until a proper fix is found.
• 1904[20:36:05] <satanluimm> metastable: okay sry
• 1905[20:36:06] <jelly> ,v gimp
• 1906[20:36:07] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u3; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.8.20-1.1; sid: 2.8.20-1.1
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• 1908[20:36:41] <jelly> goontl: gimp is probably too complex for easy backported newer versions to exist
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• 1910[20:37:09] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: What particular fix or feature are you looking for in gimp?
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• 1912[20:37:45] <goontl> lol i dont know really, i guess old gimp can be good :P
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• 1915[20:38:45] <metastable> Version numbers don't exactly accomplish much. Bug fixes get backported.
• 1916[20:39:12] <metastable> If there isn't a new feature that you need, then going to unstable means you get all the new bugs without any benefit.
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• 1919[20:39:56] <goontl> well you guys convinced me
• 1920[20:40:17] <goontl> i have the iso ready to boot lol
• 1921[20:40:45] <goontl> and what are your opinions on unstable?
• 1922[20:40:52] <metastable> It's unstable.
• 1923[20:40:55] <metastable> Hint's in the name.
• 1924[20:41:18] <goontl> so its kind of like a rolling distro?
• 1925[20:41:37] <metastable> No, it's kind of like chaos from which a stable distro is eventually distilled.
• 1926[20:41:55] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: It's not a distro or a release, it's the repository of packages that are on their way into testing.
• 1927[20:42:19] <goontl> I know
• 1928[20:42:34] <goontl> I mean it would be like the rolling distro experience
• 1929[20:42:47] <metastable> No, because even rolling distros have a testing process.
• 1930[20:42:55] <jhutchins_wk> One of the main features of stable is that the program interface is not expected to change, therefore people or systems that use it aren't going to break or have to re-learn.
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• 1935[20:43:44] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: Significant bug fixes and security issues are patched into the stable packages if the patches pass testing.
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• 1937[20:44:15] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: Feature adds and changes may get backported depending on interest in the package and availability of people to do the work.
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• 1940[20:44:37] <goontl> hmm i see. sounds good
• 1941[20:44:44] <goontl> stable i mean
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• 1945[20:45:53] <goontl> is it recommended to upgrade releases without completely reinstalling?
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• 1948[20:47:35] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: That's been one of the most appreciated features of debian for many years now.
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• 1950[20:48:01] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: It doesn't _always_ work, but if you do it fairly soon after the new release you can at least get help.
• 1951[20:48:13] <jhutchins_wk> Let it go too long and you're likely to be building new.
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• 1963[21:00:02] <annadane> i wonder how long is "too long"
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• 1966[21:00:18] * metastable keeps his mouth shut.
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• 1983[21:06:38] <goontl> jhutchins what do you mean "building new" sorry im such a noob
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• 1987[21:07:31] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: Installing the new release from scratch.
• 1988[21:07:56] <goontl> oh
• 1989[21:07:56] <jhutchins_wk> goontl: In prod environments that's what we usually do anyway, build a new VM and migrate the data.
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• 1994[21:12:01] <goontl> there is a debian installer GUI by default no?
• 1995[21:12:14] <goontl> from the live usb
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• 1997[21:14:09] <Maui_Maui> anyone here alive
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• 1999[21:14:25] <Maui_Maui> hey
• 2000[21:14:37] <hypn0> why
• 2001[21:14:47] <Maui_Maui> im new to irc :3
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• 2005[21:15:47] <hypn0> type /topic
• 2006[21:16:03] <Maui_Maui> 2:15:53 PM - You are not a channel operator on #debian.
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• 2009[21:17:13] <Maui_Maui> hypn0: would u b willing to show me around if ur not busy
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• 2012[21:18:07] <hypn0> around what, there are irc websites for beginners
• 2013[21:18:08] <goontl> is the automatic partitioning of the install good?
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• 2016[21:18:21] <Maui_Maui> depends goontl
• 2017[21:18:22] <ompaul> it isn't bad ... if that's a thing
• 2018[21:18:37] <ompaul> if you don't know, or it is a desktop then I'd say yes
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• 2021[21:18:49] <goontl> cool, so it sets up swap and all?
• 2022[21:18:53] <ompaul> yes
• 2023[21:18:57] <goontl> cool thx
• 2024[21:19:06] <Maui_Maui> i like to do it manually cuz im difficult
• 2025[21:19:17] <ompaul> we guessed that being new to IRC and all that
• 2026[21:19:28] <Maui_Maui> usually takes a few odd tries to get it working sometimes
• 2027[21:19:44] <Maui_Maui> wat u mean ompaul
• 2028[21:20:40] <ompaul> I sometimes wonder that myself.
• 2029[21:21:14] <Maui_Maui> well wat are some good channels here
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• 2031[21:21:26] <Maui_Maui> like some must have channels
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• 2036[21:23:33] <goontl> going to install now wish me luck
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• 2038[21:24:11] <ompaul> goontl: have fun with that
• 2039[21:24:38] <goontl> im leaving fedora.. too slow
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• 2054[21:38:12] <zerocool> guys i have been using kde for a little bit and it's pretty cool but i can never use apt because something else is always using it
• 2055[21:38:18] <zerocool> how can i stop whatever it is
• 2056[21:38:26] <greycat> remove or stop the packagekit thing
• 2057[21:38:26] <zerocool> from ever touching apt ever again
• 2058[21:39:22] <zerocool> greycat: thank you!
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• 2072[21:57:12] <FollowMeDown> Where i can get debian Developer book? pdf sure!
• 2073[21:57:48] <nashimus> Anyone ran into this when using debootstrap? replaced-url
• 2074[21:58:17] <jhutchins_wk> FollowMeDown: They've sneakily hidden them all as general linux developer books.
• 2075[21:59:40] <nashimus> I'm usig debian, but the binutils scripts for chromium assume that everyone is using ubuntu...
• 2076[22:00:11] <nashimus> and for some crazy reason it decides to look for replaced-url
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• 2078[22:00:58] <nashimus> seems like maybe I could just add this keyring ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
• 2079[22:02:18] <nashimus> well, that was a lot easier than I was expecting.. it's a package lol
• 2080[22:02:20] <nashimus> apt install ubuntu-archive-keyring
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• 2089[22:09:31] <g0zzy> I'm trying to work out why i have this problem: i'm connected to a box with VNC and on that box i'm watching BBC Iplayer. Even if i kill screensavers on both ends, i get into a position where the 'TV' (the box with Iplayer) loses its video and the screen goes blue. I then have to go to the VNC client and move the mouse. This restores the video. This is a PITA - what should i do to ensure constant video?
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• 2091[22:11:50] <BlueHoodie> g0zzy: stop trying to watch tv at work :D
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• 2094[22:12:25] <BlueHoodie> g0zzy: did you disable turning off the screen when inactive for x min ? its the setting under power options
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• 2096[22:13:09] <g0zzy> Ah. I'll look at that. I thought no screensaver might do that automatically
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• 2101[22:14:48] <g0zzy> BlueHoodie: i think it might be as simple as that. I'll thank you in advance ;)
• 2102[22:15:14] <BlueHoodie> g0zzy: Hope that fixes it, gl
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• 2105[22:17:33] <BCMM> i've broken man, and i don't know how
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• 2107[22:18:12] <BCMM> if i type man cat, i get a blank terminal with just "Manual page cat(1) line ?/? (END) (press h for help or q to quit)" on the last line
• 2108[22:18:51] <BCMM> any ideas? (i'm running sid)
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• 2110[22:19:02] <BCMM> oh and this happens for every man page i've tried
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• 2112[22:19:03] <greycat> (1) check df, make sure disk isn't full; (2) try reinstalling the coreutils package, which is what contains the cat(1) page
• 2113[22:19:16] <greycat> (3) sid? #debian-next on OFTC
• 2114[22:19:45] <BCMM> greycat: 1) 72G free on / 2) happens on non-coreutils man pages 3) heading there now thanks
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• 2143[22:34:38] <LostSoul> Hello
• 2144[22:34:48] <LostSoul> I was wondering are there any repos for mongodb 3.0 for jessie?
• 2145[22:35:01] <LostSoul> I can't find anything lower than 3.2 and I really need 3.0
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• 2147[22:35:41] <greycat> ,checkbackport mongodb --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie
• 2148[22:35:43] <judd> Backporting package mongodb in stretch→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libssl1.0-dev.
• 2149[22:35:45] <Brigo> ,v mongodb-server
• 2150[22:35:46] <judd> Package: mongodb-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1; buster: 1:3.2.17-1; sid: 1:3.2.17-1; experimental: 1:3.4.7-1
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• 2152[22:36:09] <Brigo> LostSoul, you have 2.0 in jessie
• 2153[22:36:29] <LostSoul> In official repos - yes
• 2154[22:36:46] <LostSoul> But in those that are provided from mondodb team there are 3.2-3.6
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• 2156[22:36:56] <LostSoul> 3.0 and 3.1 are missing there
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• 2158[22:37:09] <greycat> Your choices are to run a non-Debian version of mongodb, or to upgrade to stable.
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• 2161[22:37:21] <LostSoul> Do you think it's safe to install wheezy on jessie?
• 2162[22:37:46] <greycat> huh?
• 2163[22:37:48] <metastable> Hell no.
• 2164[22:37:56] <LostSoul> replaced-url
• 2165[22:38:06] <LostSoul> My thoughts exactly
• 2166[22:38:15] <greycat> Do you mean "a third party package built for wheezy"?
• 2167[22:38:34] <LostSoul> As far as I've read it's safe to upgrade 2.6 -> 3.0 -> 3.1 ... and this way
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• 2169[22:38:52] <LostSoul> I want to migrate 2.x to 3.x but I can't get deb package for 3.0
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• 2171[22:39:01] <greycat> Your choices are to run a non-Debian version of mongodb, or to upgrade to stable.
• 2172[22:39:04] <LostSoul> greycat: yes, sorry for not being clear what I mean
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• 2174[22:39:32] <greycat> A third-party package built for wheezy *could* work on jessie, since jessie is NEWER than wheezy, but you may have to install some additional wheezy pkgs as deps.
• 2175[22:39:55] <LostSoul> Ok makes sense
• 2176[22:40:19] <LostSoul> I was wondering if there are mirror or something of those repos but I couldn't find one
• 2177[22:40:32] <greycat> If you choose that route, be sure to test it on a disposable Debian instance first. Just to be sure it works.
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• 2180[22:40:51] <LostSoul> Yeah, you are right, I will do dry run first
• 2181[22:41:47] <LostSoul> thanks greycat
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• 2185[22:43:44] <bitess> LostSoul: it's packaged for jessie, so rather use the native version.
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• 2187[22:43:52] <bitess> LostSoul: replaced-url
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• 2194[22:46:34] <zerocool> when i see people using service instead of systemctl
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• 2196[22:46:52] <zerocool> it makes me unhappy
• 2197[22:46:56] <zerocool> is this normal
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• 2199[22:47:29] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: You shouldn't worry about other people's work habits.
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• 2201[22:47:57] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: I use it because I work on both init and systemd based systems, and "service" works on both.
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• 2204[22:48:40] <zerocool> but on one it's a crutch
• 2205[22:48:43] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: I still use fdisk because I learned to use it on DOS 2.x and never needed the features of the newer tools until GPMs.
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• 2207[22:50:13] <zerocool> is fdisk not fdisk?
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• 2209[22:50:26] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: I work with ~3200 systems on five different distros across three releases. Least Common Denominator is important.
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• 2218[22:53:03] <jhutchins_wk> fdisk, cfdisk, ?fdisk, parted...
• 2219[22:54:03] <zerocool> i am very worried about your work habits.
• 2220[22:54:09] <jhutchins_wk> gdisk
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• 2223[22:55:10] <LostSoul> bitess: Sure but as I've mentioned there is no 3.0 version for jessie in their repos
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