6[00:01:41] <kingsley> annadane: I understand your concern, and I believe you're not alone. However, I can say I've been running a Frankenstein box for decades, have found and reported dependency bugs, and gained some insight into the robustness of debian's packaging system.
7[00:02:11] <metastable> kingsley: Be that as it may, that configuration is neither recommended nor supported, and is widely known outside of your experience to cause many, many problems.
8[00:02:44] <kingsley> It may be that I've also discovered that systemd's package dependencies are less robust that other packages'.
9[00:04:26] <kingsley> metastable: It's all true.
10[00:04:50] <hypn0> you didn't discovered not to run it like that :-)
11[00:04:55] <metastable> This has been the case since long before systemd existed.
12[00:05:10] <annadane> you may want to read replaced-url
13[00:06:03] <metastable> kingsley: At this point, you appear to be cherry-picking things to try to support your existing opinion that "systemd is bad."
15[00:06:25] <metastable> kingsley: You've started with a dislike of systemd, and are now looking for evidence to support this. This is logically fallacious.
25[00:13:11] <cuddylier> I'm having an issue with Debian where it seems to timeout trying to get a link on a PXE boot install before the link is ready on a Juniper switch.
26[00:13:24] <cuddylier> Anyone came across this before? Only affects Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS etc are all fine.
32[00:19:23] <kingsley> metastable: It seems to me that your array of Debian VMs gives you an interest in maintaining systemd as the status quo. I'm OK with that. However, I humbly observe that others have had more problems than you. You can see this is so by the hundreds of bugs in the BTS, and criticism on WikiPedia.
33[00:19:46] <xqb> why doesn't this render nicely? replaced-url
34[00:19:53] <xqb> it has something to do with debian chroot
56[00:40:58] <kingsley> annadane: Yes, there may be safer ways to install software than Frankenstein. However, it seems to me that an advantage is finding dependency bugs. Maybe I'll check systemd's next time.
60[00:44:42] <abrotman> kingsley: please stop trolling, you should know better
61[00:46:22] <kingsley> abrotman: I'm not.
62[00:46:33] <abrotman> You are
63[00:46:48] <abrotman> You've been around long enough to understand the folks that are generally in this channel.
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65[00:47:30] <abrotman> kingsley: you came in here, and told us you filed a bug about systemd ... There are other distros that don't use systemd, use those
66[00:48:25] <abrotman> Not jusut a bug about systemd, but asked them to change something you don't personally like. Given the experience I have with your technical level, I'd guess most of your systemd-related issues are your own doing.
67[00:49:14] <abrotman> and filing a bug in the BTS isn't the way to do that
68[00:50:38] <kingsley> abrotman: Please remember that it's not just me. You can see this is so by the hundreds of bugs in the BTS, and criticism on WikiPedia.
69[00:50:57] <abrotman> kingsley: there are also hundreds of bugs against sysv and upstart .. what's your point?
76[00:52:35] <kingsley> abrotman: Also, my understanding is that the technical committee expects to be contacted through the BTS. You can see this is so at replaced-url
90[00:59:02] <awal1> my shutdown process hangs sometimes, almost 1 minute bcoz of eth0 srvice/process not stoping. I never use eth0, jut wlan0 (wifi). can I just remove eth0 from interfaces or what?
91[00:59:11] <abrotman> yes
92[00:59:25] <awal1> eth0 process i guess, since no unit for it
93[00:59:32] <abrotman> awal1: what does it currently say in your interfaces file for the interface?
114[01:06:17] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Does anyone know of some documentation on how isohybrid images work at a technical level? I was under the impression that ISOs had to be 9660 FSes, which wasn't directly compatible with block storage
183[01:57:03] <gubernator> How do I enable my Intel Dual Band Wireless 8260? I have downloaded firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb but what now? I have no ethernet connection.
201[02:06:44] <nixoeen> I created a package and uploaded to mentors.debian.net. The package has a watch file and it works fine in my computer, but in the website, there is a warning that it doesn't work. Is it my package or Mentors website? :) Link: replaced-url
250[02:48:20] <tolland> just logged into a debian 9 box, and when I open some file for editing ,and try to copy something out to use in another program, it goes into visual mode
251[02:48:54] <tolland> which in itself is fine, but its blocking konsole copying into clipboard
252[02:49:39] <tolland> odd thing, is that "set mouse=a" is actually disabled in /etc/vim/vimrc
259[02:55:35] <tolland> if you have to login to a bunch of machines, which are usually ubuntu/centos, and occaisionally deb. Then its a slight annoy
260[02:56:14] <themill> Up until you get used to the new config
261[02:56:18] <tolland> however these days, I generally have to take 2 or three shots at, apt/yum/dpkg and service/systemctl or whatever before I find my bearings
454[06:50:39] <Riku-D830> no computers show up at all
455[06:52:03] <rant> have you tried to acces them directly by IP? //192.168.1.100/ or such?
456[06:52:49] <rant> may also be smb://192.168.1.100/ idk.. havent really used gnome since 3.x came out
457[06:53:05] <Riku-D830> that seems to work
458[06:53:15] <Riku-D830> and yes it's with the smb: to declare protocol
459[06:53:38] <Riku-D830> okay other problem
460[06:53:41] <rant> if that works then you are either in the wrong workgroup or the windows computers arent broadcasting.. could be a firewall thing
461[06:54:00] <Riku-D830> I installed pulseaudio-equalizer and it's not showing up in my applications
462[06:54:02] <rant> you should however be able to go to the entire network even if you're in the wrong workgroup I'd think
463[06:54:27] <rant> its not showing up in mine either.. cause I dont have any such thing.. and never heard of any such thing
464[06:54:32] <Riku-D830> I usually connect by IP anyway I was just not quite formatting it correctly
465[06:54:49] <rant> in Gnome 2.x it worked with or without the smb:
466[06:55:06] <Riku-D830> my headphones need a bit of a bass boost to sound right which is fairly straightforward in windows
467[06:55:19] <rant> ah
468[06:55:30] <Riku-D830> was directed to pulseaudio-equalizer here, which I have used in the past but it doesn't seem to be working now
469[06:57:03] <rant> did you install the pulseaudio-equalizer package?
470[06:57:14] <Riku-D830> I can use the equalizer in audacious but it doesn't have as many bands as I'd like and isn't system wide
471[06:57:25] <Riku-D830> yes I installed it, removed it, installed it again, rebooted
472[06:57:29] <Riku-D830> doesn't want to work
473[06:57:55] <rant> well I never heard of it before now and my preliminary look shows its not in jessie but is in stretch.. and that its a sink
474[06:58:11] <Riku-D830> ah maybe
475[06:58:13] <rant> for a sink to work it has to be selected as a sink
476[06:58:18] <Riku-D830> I might have to do that yes
477[06:58:39] <Riku-D830> haven't touched desktop linux in over a year forgive me
478[06:58:57] <rant> I'm in MATE (Gnome 2.x) on Debian 9.3 and I have a sound icon in my notification area I cna right click and goto Sound Preferences
479[07:00:16] <rant> I didnt touch one for 3 years.. came back to all this systemd and crap.. heh.. was a nightmare readjusting
480[07:03:35] <Riku-D830> I just put debian back on my old laptop, no graphics drivers for windows 10 and 7 is too old which is why this lives as a linux only machine
481[07:03:47] <rant> yes it would seem there is very little in this package.. a sink shared library and a qpaeq binary.. no menu entry
482[07:03:52] <Riku-D830> had no reason not to use windows on my new laptop though because I wanted to play games
483[07:04:06] <Riku-D830> and yeah I had to run some pactl commands
484[07:04:06] <rant> Riku-D830: you tried gaming on linux lately?
485[07:04:16] <Riku-D830> not really
486[07:04:22] <rant> I used to play games on linux years ago.. and I'm sure its gotten better since then
487[07:04:28] <Riku-D830> my favourite games are windows only
488[07:04:38] <Riku-D830> and don't run well on wine at all
510[07:09:27] <rant> hmm.. yes I suppose you'd have to hack a bit to get that to work properly.. most things as I recall tend to go to one screen only even when the desktop is stretched across multiple screens
511[07:09:51] <rant> and the earliest game I recall having support for 3 seperate displays was doom
513[07:10:23] <rant> but it was designed to output to different screens, where you're talking a layer inbetween the game and the system that does this automatically
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515[07:10:47] <Riku-D830> after bezel correction games just see my 3x 1280x1024 as a 3980x1024 display
523[07:13:05] <rant> the one I saw at the store just had two curved monitors.. I think it may look better with an odd number so you dont have a seam right in the f'n middle :P
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525[07:13:32] <rant> I wonder if anyone makes edgeless displays you could use for that
526[07:14:07] <Riku-D830> samsung makes a single display that's almost as wide but it's about $1500
616[07:18:02] <Riku-D830> the original is something like 24MB
617[07:18:25] <rant> Riku-D830: thats kinda like cheating if you play online with people who dont have that view.. though the gam has to actuall zoom out the lens too.. Assault Cube did that.
663[07:31:14] <rant> not for simple 2d without backstore.. but when gaming you have tons of offscreen buffers
664[07:31:20] <Riku-D830> maybe into the early 2000s if you're using intel graphics
665[07:34:55] <rant> the only way you can render a 3d environment with the ability to just move the mouse about panning the camera is to have all that loaded already :P
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672[07:53:49] <rant> I recall getting a 286 w/ like 20MB HDD and wondering how I was gonna fill that up.. these days people take pictures bigger than that at times :P
673[07:54:02] <Riku-D830> FLAC files man
674[07:54:23] <rant> I never fooled with FLAC as most portables don't support it
675[07:54:31] <Riku-D830> song I'm listening to is 34.6MB
676[07:54:54] <rant> I'd think with FLAC it'd be so def you couldn't hear it :P
677[07:55:04] <Riku-D830> I run rockbox on my ipod classic with a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO mSATA
679[07:56:02] <rant> hmm.. idk what happened to mine.. I broke the small backlight cable taking it apart once cause the HDD came unplugged.. but don't remember what I ever did with it
680[07:56:31] <Riku-D830> I filled the 160GB HDD pretty quickly
692[08:00:37] <Riku-D830> the battery life isn't as good under rockbox and is even worse with the SSD though
693[08:01:18] <rant> yeah its not that simple with the itouch.. I had a 2nd and 3rd gen and managed to hack em, but where the rub comes in is when you have something that the new version or a program you want needs a newer IOS, you gotta go back to itunes and it'll try lock you out again :P
695[08:01:54] <rant> really the only feature I found myself wanting with the itouch was wireless sync with linux and not having to use itunes to sync
696[08:01:59] <rant> other than that I loved it
697[08:02:57] <rant> those little things got me back into gaming when I had em.. they're wonderful little gaming platforms.. I even liked Madden on them and I hate Madden :P
707[08:10:03] <rant> I'm not much of a gamer. I like things with quick gratification and easy to walk away from typically when it comes to games.. and that itouch is the ADGD (Attention Deficit Gamer Disorder :) dream
708[08:11:00] <rant> you can switch between games or turn it off so easily and quickly and always come back right where you left off.. IOS multitasked way better than android.
709[08:12:13] <rant> I also seen a lot of sales on the apple store.. seemed like every weekend and even more so on holidays there were games really cheap. I'd bought a buncha EA games around Christmas for $0.99/ea
710[08:12:59] <Riku-D830> my 2DS has CFW on it so I may or may not haved paid for the 100GB of games on it
711[08:13:18] <Riku-D830> *have
712[08:13:58] <rant> I thought about buying one of those DS back in the day before all the new models came out.. cause at the time I was looking for a decent mobile computing platform and it seemed like promising hw to run linux on
719[08:17:34] <rant> I always hated using CDs for games.. Twisted Metal 2 you could play up to 8 players online but you only needed 1cd for every 3 players
724[08:18:45] <rant> hmm.. was that on Debian or on Windows?
725[08:18:52] <Riku-D830> debian
726[08:19:11] <rant> cause I imagine you may need an emulator to run old dos games on windows these days :P
727[08:19:27] <Riku-D830> 16-bit applications and 64-bit windows don't mix
728[08:20:17] <Riku-D830> you can install a dos subsystem on 32-bit windows though but I don't think it has soundblaster support or anything fun like that
729[08:20:22] <rant> I've seen Vista/7 a little bit.. never even seen 8, and my mother has 10 on one of those touchscreen desktop deals from HP.. I didnt like what I saw of it but haven't actually used it myself
730[08:20:46] <Riku-D830> it's more a restriction of how 64-bit CPUs work
731[08:21:17] <Riku-D830> they can run in 16bit/32bit mode of 32bit/64bit mode and changing modes requires a power cycle
734[08:21:40] <rant> yeah well the dos has been gone since WinNT.. XP was the last version to have something resembling old DOS.. now they just have a cmd.exe that runs on top of explorer
735[08:22:03] <Riku-D830> I have used the dos subsystem on 32 bit windows 10 before
736[08:22:06] <rant> and I highly doubt its sufficient for most dos games
737[08:22:13] <Riku-D830> even got windows 3.11 installed in it
738[08:22:20] <rant> oh yeah?
739[08:22:28] <rant> with working display drivers and stuff?
740[08:22:33] <Riku-D830> somewhat
741[08:22:47] <Riku-D830> was a while ago can't remember how well it worked
742[08:22:52] <rant> I tried to setup a VM with Win3.11 once and couldnt find any drivers to get above 16 colors
743[08:23:13] <Riku-D830> same problem up to 98 there's no support in virtualbox
744[08:23:33] <Riku-D830> the dos subsystem is pretty close to native though
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746[08:24:28] <Riku-D830> ah yes it's called NTVDM
748[08:24:30] <rant> people in my building often put stuff out in the main lobby they're looking to sell and I saw out there a couple weeks ago a really old floppy disk Win3.11 version of Netscape new in the box, shrinkwrapped and never opened :P
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752[08:26:08] <alkisg> I have a collection of 100+ games in dosbox. Unfortunately half of them are not playable because it runs 100 times faster than it's supposed to :D So I keep an actual 386 around just the case I ever want to remind my kids how it was back then :D
753[08:26:29] <alkisg> With a soundblaster 16 and all
754[08:26:33] <rant> last I used dosbox it had a key you pressed to change the speed
755[08:26:48] <Riku-D830> might throw a 32-bit windows 10 install on my extra machine on a new drive just to play with NTVDM
756[08:26:53] <alkisg> F9, it's not working well in most of those games
757[08:27:08] <rant> though on game I played a lot, supaplex the developer released a speedfixed version.. though now there are other game engines available like megaplex and such
758[08:27:22] <rant> I'm surprised nobody ever ported that to linux.. it was a pretty cool game
930[10:46:52] <rant> anyone know of some trickery to select an AP by MAC with n-m (applet) when you have multiple with the same SSID in range? Or would I just have to stop n-m and use interfaces for that?
931[10:47:31] <qifan> kismet is a nice interface
932[10:47:47] <qifan> might help you out
933[10:48:16] <rant> kismet is for sniffing the airwaves I thought
934[10:48:18] <Codsworth> yes kismet
935[10:48:32] <qifan> yy
936[10:48:38] <qifan> i said might help you
937[10:48:45] <qifan> .>
938[10:48:46] <qifan> :>
939[10:48:48] <rant> I dont need to sniff. I just dont want n-m selecting the strongest AP
940[10:48:49] <Codsworth> it cant sort by ap and mac
941[10:49:17] <Codsworth> you trying to connect or passive?
942[10:49:34] <qifan> normally software does that automatically
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944[10:49:41] <qifan> strongers is the first to be served
946[10:50:16] <rant> I use xfinitywifi.. ALL their access points are called "xfinitywifi" but its getting too saturated here and I just was unable to connect cause I had half a dozen of em on channel 11, two were xfinitywifi others were various other routers.
947[10:50:41] <rant> I want to at least be able to setup a directional, point it somewhere and have it stay on that AP and not to chose one I know wont work
948[10:50:43] <Codsworth> what about iwconfig ?
949[10:51:02] <rant> yes I know how to set it up manually.. I was just wondering if I could do it with n-m or not
951[10:52:00] <rant> I like having the n-m applet to show me my signal and use it to enable/disable my connection
952[10:52:11] <rant> I just dont like it thinking it knows better than me which AP to connect to :P
953[10:52:31] <Codsworth> True...I someones have the same issue and find it annoying
954[10:52:47] <rant> its usually not an issue for most folk as ESSID are typically unique.. but in this case every f'n comcast customer has a public hotspot called "xfinitywifi"
955[10:53:08] <Codsworth> many isps are doing that now
956[10:53:20] <Codsworth> but comcast is probably the worst with that ssid
957[10:53:36] <rant> and I know which ones I can point a directional at and get a reliable connection based on the other signals around.. nm isnt taking this into account when selecting an AP, its just going for the strongest signal which may cause me to have to point my antenna into heavy congestion on the same channel
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960[10:55:47] <rant> I live in a sparsely populated area of a poor run down ghetto.. idk how people are still getting by in more affluent areas where everyone has wifi.. there just isnt enough bandwidth to go around.. a card can only calibrate a noise floor so effeciently when you have half a dozen or more signals all on the same channel
961[10:56:11] <BCMM> rant: would blacklisting the other APs would be a workable solution?
964[10:56:31] <rant> and the 14 channels or so we have aren't really helping because each channel overlaps 8 other channels :P
965[10:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1423
966[10:57:12] <rant> no blacklisting is worse than just setting wireless-ap in the interfaces file and getting rid of n-m cause at times I may need to switch to another one
967[10:57:38] <rant> though the one I've been using most reliably is a business across the street.. the problems only occur when someone in this building gets wifi
968[10:59:18] <rant> you'd think I'd get better signal when someone right here has an AP but it doesnt work like that.. and I think its not only due to channel congestion but also I think they crank the power up on the hotspot side of the gateway because I noticed when I was downtown I could get a signaat the popeyes resturant from the grocery across the street and was on VOIP but as I got closer to the grocery the signal cut out
969[10:59:36] <rant> its like these things only work at a distance.. which likely means the transmit power is cranked way up
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972[11:02:58] <qifan> guys i have a game on /dev/sda and a disk nvm0 (faster) all my mp3/videos are on /dev/sda , so the game is there too, instead of having the game folder on those two disks can i make a linksym and run the game on dev/nvm0 ? thank you
974[11:03:44] <bitSt0rm> Where do you guys place your workspace folder for programming stuff? Wondering if there any reason to put it anywhere beside my home folder, would rootfolder be more reasonable somehow?
975[11:04:13] <BCMM> bitSt0rm: does the sort of programming you do typically need to be done as root or something?
987[11:06:42] <rant> if I were the type to do php coding I may have it in /srv/ where I'd keep my webserver's root at
988[11:06:47] <BCMM> bitSt0rm: (i mean, actually, my /home/ is on an ssd and my code is symlinked to my hdd instead because some of it uses unreasonable amounts of space, but that's besides the point here)
989[11:07:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1429
990[11:07:15] <BCMM> basically, do you have a specific reason to keep it elsewhere?
991[11:07:28] <rant> cause me personally, when I setup any services I put it in /srv/. I.e. /srv/samba, /srv/httpd, /srv/tftpd etc
999[11:09:42] <BCMM> but i'd still try to develop in ~/ and just move the finished product, where possible
1000[11:09:54] <bitSt0rm> Good help and tips, thanks guys BCMM and rant
1001[11:10:58] <rant> I often make my system-wide scripts in /usr/local/ check for files in ~/ where users can customize the function of the script or hook commands into it
1028[11:43:53] <dracc> I'm trying to setup autofs/samba/openLDAP on a server. I don't want TLS as it's a closed environment and only for testing purposes. I've tried disabling TLS both in ldap.conf, slapd.d, smbldap.conf and smbldap_bind.conf . Still I get errors related to starttls when trying to start smbd. What have I missed this time? :(
1112[12:42:23] <simpledat> or is apt-get remove enough?
1113[12:44:17] <rant> purge would only be necessary if you had really old incompatible configs or something.. its mostly concerned with you getting binaries and libs with the same name out of your path
1114[12:45:48] <rant> this is not something we can support here though and we'd encourage you to report issues on the BTS, get them fixed, or try one of our other solutions like Gnome Boxes, qemu, etc..
1139[13:19:25] <dracc> cifs.mount, using vers other than 1.0 (2.0, 3.0, 3.02 tested), get successful mount and error message "ioctl error in smb2_get_dfs_refer rc=-2". My google fu is weak today. Any ideas what's wrong?
1199[13:51:47] <grandfso> Hello, can someone help me troubleshoot network config? I have two public IP's assigned to vps, /etc/network/interfaces looks like this replaced-url
1200[13:52:08] <grandfso> What would you check now for problems ?
1221[14:08:53] <grandfso> qifan: not sure if this is what you asked, but: the telnet server which I'm trying to connect to is hosted with linode, while server which I'm telnetting from is hosted by some other vps provider.
1238[14:27:55] <mpo> Well, why do you want to connect to these machines via telnet? You already have an SSH-server active. SSH is the recommended way to connect to remote machines. Telnet provides absolutely no security, it transports usernames and passwords unencrypted over the wire.
1254[14:47:26] <mpo> rant, well, we both see what kinds of services are running on these machines now :)
1255[14:47:30] <grandfso> mpo: I am on learning endeavour. I chose telnet as the most basic tool to get to work first :) I am not going to transfer anything sensitive over telnet ;)
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1281[15:03:07] <Nekophone> Hey everyone o/ is there anyone who could help me change my video driver temporarily? I think it's been causing problems, and I've run into issues trying to do it myself
1282[15:03:37] <Nekophone> I'm on the latest Debian Testing btw
1283[15:04:24] <Nekophone> Basically, I'm pretty sure I'm meant to edit xorg.conf, but I don't actually have one
1290[15:06:37] <Nekophone> The system is very unstable as of a recent update, previously it couldn't enter the DE at all, after renaming my user directories I can, but starting most programs crash X
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1330[15:17:01] <Nekophone> While it's logging in, things that crash it, so far, are: Firefox, HexChat, LibreOffice, Unity and even Net (the tiny puzzle game)
1332[15:18:04] <Nekophone> It seems that the KDE programs, like Kate and Dolphin, don't, so it might be a GTK issue possibly?
1333[15:18:34] <SirLagz> could be. could be a library compatibility issue
1334[15:18:52] <Nekophone> Also it's not logging back in, I'm getting the same problem I did before x_x just a black screen and a mouse cursor
1335[15:19:33] <SirLagz> Nekophone: check the X.org logs? should be something in there if X doesn't start up
1336[15:19:38] <Nekophone> Rebooting should fix it
1337[15:20:35] <Nekophone> No, X has started when it does this, it's plasmashell that won't
1338[15:20:50] <SirLagz> oh, mouse cursor, sorry, thought it said flashing cursor for some reason =/
1339[15:21:10] <SPF> I'm having an issue with mail. strace says pen("/var/mail/.lk098692debian", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0644) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) any ideas?
1345[15:22:41] <Nekophone> Usually, when the program-related crashes happen, I can just log back in again, but sometimes I can't and I get stuck at a black screen
1347[15:22:48] <cyphex> Hi, ,I'm trying to install gksu on a fresh install of debian testing, but I get an error ("no installation candidate") for it. Any ideas?
1348[15:23:44] <dvs> cyphex, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
1349[15:23:45] <cyphex> oops, just read the topic, sorry
1359[15:30:09] <Nekophone> I think the current, successful boot overwrite the Xorg log though, since Xorg.0.log is from a few seconds ago and .1 os from yesterday
1377[15:44:00] <grandfso> mpo: let me try to explain in higher level, ultimately I am after having one user bound to first IP, another user bind to second IP (so that anything they run, runs on/from dedicated IP). The way I know how to make it happen _right_now_, is by having seperate VPS's each with single IP. I am trying to figure out, if I can use one VPS with multiple IP's to achieve the same result.
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1444[16:22:55] <_likoris> Hey. I have an issue with a bluetooth mouse on my Deb laptop. It disconnects after a few minutes, even while using it, and doesn't reconnect automatically. Can anyone point me to a solution? (I'll post /var/log/messages output when it happens again)
1445[16:24:31] <JustASlacker> check batteries
1446[16:25:08] <_likoris> Batteries are fine, the mouse works without problems on the other machine.
1516[17:58:05] <sine0> hey guys, I have an netinstall vm image I have been using that is jessie. If I update && upgrade will I be good for security fixes
1533[18:03:58] <sine0> how does one account for dist upgrade when they are building servers, I mean if I were to setup servers for clients would it not be a pita to have to update the os often.
1534[18:04:28] <sine0> or is that about LTS and rolling upgrades
1535[18:04:51] <metastable> I build new servers using the current stable release. I periodically rebuild images to avoid these issues.
1545[18:09:54] <SirLagz> I just always build machines with the net install...preseed and netinstall means the newest packages that I need for every machine every time
1546[18:10:36] <user0> Hey, have installed vsftpd changed conf with TLS then restarted service but it won't start anymore, i removed tls conf no start, reinstalled vsftpd no default config file. copied config file from /usr/share no start. Any help please ?
1549[18:10:55] <sine0> SirLagz: yea but how do you keep that up to date, by distupgrade ?
1550[18:11:02] <SirLagz> sine0: yep
1551[18:12:21] <sine0> SirLagz: over the years I have done a debian netinstall so many times its painful, for instance install all the php modules and vhosts for apache and mysql modules
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1587[18:35:03] <somiaj> !ask
1588[18:35:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1600[18:43:17] <dob1> hi, I have some doubs about rsync and slashes in source: if I am using rsync /dir1 /dir2 and I have to exclude dir1/path1 I have to use --exclude=/dir1/path1 not --exclude=/path1, right? becuase I used as source "/dir1" without the final slash, this is correct?
1603[18:46:53] <grandfso> n-st: both servers (source / target) are my sandboxes. And it does let me connect using one of the IP's on the source, but rejects the other. Would like to understand what is the reason my smtp server rejects my second IP. The IPs on source are configured as follows: replaced-url
1626[19:06:00] <dracc> I have removed a lot of settings from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf - such as domain-name-servers, domain-search and domain-name, yet they're replaced in /etc/resolv.conf . WHY?! :(
1630[19:07:41] <spigot> mid tmux session, the color has disappeared from my prompt, and I feel silly not knowing what happened :P apt hasn't touched anything in a while, color works in ls and weechat, but my prompt just... as if my bash_profile changed, just stopped being colored
1631[19:08:25] <somiaj> the prompt is controled by an enviroment variable, just export that variable.
1632[19:09:03] <somiaj> as to why it isn't being read, but .bash_profile is only read in login shells, interactive shells (such as those in tmux) won't parse .bash_profile
1636[19:11:08] <spigot> so if the shells in tmux are using the inherited environment variable that hasn't changed since the login shell that contains the tmux process, then I'm even more lost
1645[19:13:49] <spigot> so a different config file could have been changed. that's disconcerting, without me knowing, that something might have edited a startup file and changed my prompt :/ I wonder what I did
1646[19:13:58] <jelly> spigot: you can verify if $PS1 is still the same or not
1653[19:19:23] <spigot> I'm going to figure out if it has anything to do with mremoteNG's term profile, and if somewhere along the line something is saying/thinks this can't do color brb
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1687[19:47:59] <bitSt0rm> Been tinkering around with i8kutils for managing my fans (Dell Laptop) - but I simply cannot make it work. It is like my i8kmon.conf is completely ignored. I've enabled i8kmon with systemd though, do anyone know what I'm doing wrong of if there is some issue?
1700[19:54:48] <maxzor> dracc, I alreay have it installed, my little game does not launch, and i got told on winehq chan i needed i386 version on top of amd64
1701[19:55:43] <dracc> maxzor, Oh, ok. Sorry, no, I don't know how. :/
1711[20:00:13] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1713[20:00:18] <spigot> well removing the remote terminal, I'm now logged in locally, and I know the termcap reports color support successfully, because $PS1 contains all the color flags. but the prompt remains b&w
1714[20:00:19] <bites> maxzor: ^
1715[20:01:22] <spigot> looks like the startup recognizes terminator supports color, adds the color info, but terminator isn't displaying it. though it will colorize ls or the output of a command.
1716[20:01:41] <spacevisionary> hello everyone! today I rebooted Mint via reisub and eversince have been unable to get past asus brand screen, cannot even access bios. do you have any ideas? thank you
1717[20:02:13] <dracc> spacevisionary, What computer are we talking about?
1718[20:02:27] <spacevisionary> asus x553m notebook
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1749[20:15:21] <spacevisionary> interestingly, i only get the asus welcome screen if i remove battery, hold pb for a couple mins, plug charger, unplug charger, plug battery and power on
1750[20:15:40] <spacevisionary> otherwise it shows nothing
1751[20:15:43] <argusbr> whats error in command line-> for i in `ps -ef | grep -v grep | grep "sshcheck" | awk '{print $2}'`: do kill -9 $i: echo "Process id $i is killed": done
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1770[20:22:45] <rant> bitSt0rm: this is what I said already.. my first observation is that "pgrep" replaces the entire ps|grep|grep|awk thing and my 2nd was that killall replaces the entire one-liner
1771[20:22:46] <bites> the grep part looks correct though
1772[20:22:59] <maxzor> bites, thank you, I found an i386 one but its version is 1.12 while i need 1.10 :o replaced-url
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1775[20:23:55] <rant> if you wanna talk syntax and functionality.. thats a whole different discussion.. I'm just talking about the "error" in the command which is that its the wrong "command"
1776[20:24:12] <bites> maxzor: yeah, 1.12 isn't packaged for stretch.
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1778[20:25:28] <maxzor> and can I find a 1.10 i386 version in some archive repo?
1779[20:25:57] <bites> you can install it using apt without adding additional repos.
1780[20:26:01] <bites> !multiarch
1781[20:26:01] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1784[20:26:46] <rant> before I take my Capt-obvious-teaches-linux-shell cap off, you may also want to learn the apropos command which would find commands like pgrep and killall for you in the future before you start making a rube-goldberg script to recreate them
1797[20:34:30] <leemar> Anyone know the status of Debian updating gcc in stable for full retpoline support? GCC says they may be backporting to versions 4/5/6?
1800[20:35:03] <deadman36g> Hello guys. I am curious if I can get some quick help. My system went down earlier during a power glitch and now it is saying "A Start job is running for File System Quota Check" can I stop this and boot my system?
1809[20:40:26] <freenoodle> just trying to configure a smarthost setup with exim4. Mail gets rejected because HELO wants an FDQN. Strange though, shouldn't exim4 in smarthost mode announce itself to the smtp smarthost just as every mail client does? Do other mail clients really send an FDQN each time they talk to an SMTP server?
1818[20:44:16] <dracc> No matter what settings i put inside /etc/systemd/network/settings.network, everything stays the same. I have a DNS server on my internal network that I want to use instead of the ISP supplied one. Why is resolv.conf always overwritten with dhcp settings?
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1846[20:53:55] <maxzor> bites, ok, apt found it, but it has a dependency unresolved with libsidplay1v5:i386. dpkg tells me there are those on my system : replaced-url
1847[20:54:34] <bites> man dhclient.conf has an example that might be relevant. interface "<fill in>" { prepend domain-name-servers <fill in> }
1848[20:54:35] <maxzor> When trying to install libsidplay1v5:i386 manually, apt wants to remove the old gstreamer and a cascade of libs.
1849[20:54:53] <dracc> bites, solved it by setting 'prepend domain-name-servers'. But I only want ONE dns. :(
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1889[21:31:55] <hiexpo> Hi all hey when I right click on desktop and select create launcher I select create launcher in terminal than enter the command like for nmap sh -c "nmap;${SHELL:-bash}" it always opens it with gnome terminal and I want to open it with xfce terminal I have used update-alternatives but that has made no differance what should I do thank you
1890[21:32:32] <deadrom> debian 8, / ran full, checked: kern.log.1 and messages.1 are at 3+ GB and *brimming* with messages "sr0 disc change detected." the funny bit is there is no optical drive connected
1891[21:34:47] <deadrom> nevermind, found the culprit. usb device attached kept switching modes
1905[21:46:27] <oo_miguel> I am installing debian and have to manually set up the network in a shell (i.e set a custom route).. I wonder what I need to set beside the address, gateway, and route in order to proceed to the next insallation point?
1906[21:46:48] <oo_miguel> will I be prompted for hostname or nameservers later?
1907[21:47:49] <hiexpo> rant, I use a lot of tools and can't always remmeber the commands so I want to create custop launchers to launch them
1909[21:48:42] <rant> oo_miguel: no way to answer that without knowing which point you are at.. but if you are using manual commands you should probably not be using a step-by-step process anyhow. There are steps that do all the network configuration though and may overwrite anything you do
1910[21:49:15] <oo_miguel> configure the network fails
1911[21:49:29] <oo_miguel> and I want to procedd with set up users and passowrds
1912[21:50:45] <rant> hiexpo: I understand.. I'm just saying that if the alternatives isn't working you could just put the name of the terminal in the command.. but I know Gnome 2.x (MATE) anyhow has its own set of preferred applications, it doesnt necessarily use alternatives to determine what to launch.. perhaps what you are using does the same.. since you didnt specify, I just gave you a solution that would work in any
1913[21:50:49] <oo_miguel> maybe it is better i try the expert mode..
1914[21:50:52] <rant> environment
1915[21:51:17] <rant> oo_miguel: would probably be a good idea.. but some manner of Ctrl+C or hitting back on a step takes you to a list of all the steps and lets you skip ahead
1916[21:51:33] <rant> don't recall exactly but I did it a week or so ago when I installed
1917[21:51:36] <oo_miguel> yeah I skipped to the list in order to config the network manuelly
1918[21:52:04] <oo_miguel> but I am afraid I did not configure everything that the step I skip expects to configure :P
1919[21:52:22] <hiexpo> rant, I am using debian 9 mate
1920[21:52:43] <oo_miguel> ill try the expert mode. hope this will ask me if I want to autoconfig
1921[21:52:47] <rant> heh.. well I think it sets the hostname after the setting of all the other stuff but idk if its a seperate step or not.. you'd know better than me if you're in the installer now
1922[21:53:50] <rant> hiexpo: then yes, as I said MATE has a preferred applications System > Preferences > Personal > Preferred Applications on the System tab of that you'll see the terminal
1924[21:54:44] <bites> oo_miguel: autoconfig is usually what it does first. what kind computer is it? laptop with wlan? are you missing firmware? is it an ethernet connection?
1925[21:54:45] <rant> that is where MATE looks to figure out what applications to launch.. alternatives only works when you use generic names like foo-aplication-program-dodad
1931[21:58:23] <rant> hiexpo: well technically your command as I saw shouldnt open any terminal because you didnt tell it to.. unless you checked something like "run in a terminal"
1934[22:00:00] <rant> I however don't do that.. I just make a launcher and tell it my terminal as part of the command.. cause first of all something like nmap typically just runs a command that prints info then exits.. and this is going to result in a terminal being opened then closing anyhow..
1935[22:00:28] <oo_miguel> bites: it is a kvm behind a custom bridge
1936[22:00:31] <alkisg> (10:31:55 μμ) hiexpo: Hi all ... opens it with gnome terminal ... I am using debian 9 mate ... I have it set to xfce ==> that's 3 different environments there, gnome, mate and xfce, fun :D
1937[22:00:38] <hiexpo> rant, okay I right click on desktop and select create launcher in terminal than apply the command
1938[22:01:31] <rant> hiexpo: I also implore you to not only consider my end-all suggestion of just changing the command itself to have the terminal name rather than letting MATE decide the terminal at all, but also to consider not using a terminal and making use of a dialog utility like zenity, yad, or such to display the info you want
1947[22:04:43] <alkisg> hiexpo: I just tried it in mate, sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator; and created a launcher; and it opens e.g. with xterm, all work fine here
1949[22:06:23] <rant> hiexpo: apt-get install zenity, then just do nmap | zenity --text-info, and it'll give you a scrollable dialog with the output of nmap..
1956[22:11:57] <hiexpo> alkisg, okay yes it will always use x-term try to change to a differant terminal and see it has now switched to gnome terminal on mine since i needed gnome terminal and i change it and nothing happens
1976[22:33:52] <finlstrm> hypn0: The details are a bit long - basicly I'm trying to roue between two networks. I've created a reddit post here: replaced-url
1977[22:34:55] <httperr418> is the avahi-daemon that has turned up on my system anything to do with systemd?
1995[22:58:34] <httperr418> hi, I can no longer start my tor service, with the error "Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/bin/tor: Stale file handle". Google suggests that this might be a problem of having created an inappropriate symlink
1996[22:59:08] <httperr418> but the suggested ones are /tmp -> /var/tmp and /var/tmp -> /tmp, neither of which is the case on my system. What else might I need to look at?>
2002[23:02:51] <rant> httperr418: that error seems to indicate a stale file handle without being specific, if it were me I'd figure out what specifically its talking about. strace would likely aid in figuring that out if the app doesnt have any more verbose or logging features
2036[23:41:55] <rant> pfft.. I still haven't bothered learning that one yet. It does seem to encompass several utils though.. seems to also do the functions of the route command among others