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2 [00:00:33] <drocsid> ahh debian next is on a different server..
3 [00:00:52] <drocsid> * #debian-next *
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9 [00:06:02] <quotemstr> rant: No, I mean tty0
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12 [00:06:22] <quotemstr> rant: Right now, in a UML kernel, I see messages about starting getty on tty[1-6], but not tty0
13 [00:06:33] <quotemstr> And UML doesn't really do non-tty0 ttys very well
14 [00:06:46] <quotemstr> (Why on earth would I be using UML? Because I can reverse-debug it with rr(1))
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35 [00:22:42] <FuzzyNubbinz> brb
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42 [00:30:45] <rant> talin: no, what it says is IF YOU ARE RUNNING STABLE, not if you are running old-stable
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44 [00:31:31] <rant> quotemstr: idk.. no experience with UML and I didnt know there was a tty0, heard of ttyS0
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46 [00:34:27] <rant> talin: you basically told your system to rather arbitrarily skip a release and install random buster packages in jessie. Doing an "upgrade" from one branch to the next even if they're back to back isn't a good idea.. you need a dist-upgrade for that because it will allow the package manager more room to resolve issues that arise during a branch upgrade. Now you're not likely running any debian release, but
47 [00:34:33] <rant> some hybrid of jessie/buster that nobody can support.. best case scenario you may be able to complete migration to buster and no longer be elegible for support here.. otherwise you need to go reinstall your system with jessie or stretch, preferably stretch
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49 [00:35:15] <qifan> hi
50 [00:35:52] <qifan> Does anyone have make it work out of the box, the dongle USB NANO adapter, D-Link 131 wda ? RTL8192CU in most linux's
51 [00:36:03] <qifan> under stretch
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53 [00:36:48] <qifan> i only see support for : Debian 8 "Jessie" Debian 7 "Wheezy"
54 [00:37:27] <rant> I've heard that mentioned a few times in here recently.. the RTL8192CU not the Dlink model specifically.. but I believe it only requires the realtek non-free firmware package to work
55 [00:38:22] <rant> Mine is an old RTL8187B, doesnt even need the firmware package to work IIRC
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59 [00:39:03] <qifan> rant: does firmware-realtek sounds familiary to you?
60 [00:39:06] <rant> qifan: I can check though, I'm on stretch..
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63 [00:39:17] <qifan> ok thank you
64 [00:39:35] <rant> yeah thats the realtek firmwares.. if you want me to I'll check my modinfo and the firmware-realtek package to see if that model is listed
65 [00:39:56] <qifan> sure
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67 [00:41:18] <rant> qifan: from the package info for firmware-realtek on stretch: * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU UMC A-cut firmware * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU UMC B-cut firmware * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU TMSC firmware * Realtek RTL8192CU/RTL8188CU fallback firmware
68 [00:41:29] <rant> seems to have 3 firmwares for that model
69 [00:41:41] <qifan> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 2001:3319 D-Link Corp.
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72 [00:42:00] <rant> qifan: do you offhand know which kernel driver it is?
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74 [00:42:29] <rant> cause I'm not sure without looking it up.. and I need to know the driver to check modinfo
75 [00:42:55] <qifan> P/N: EWA131EU...EG1
76 [00:42:55] * rant checks his modules dir
77 [00:43:08] <qifan> E1G
78 [00:43:09] <qifan> soz
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80 [00:43:27] <qifan> does it help where your looking for
81 [00:43:33] <qifan> ?
82 [00:43:36] <rant> no
83 [00:43:44] <qifan> check modinfo?
84 [00:43:49] <qifan> how?
85 [00:43:52] <rant> I just thought if you'd been looking it up you'd know what the driver was
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87 [00:45:15] <qifan> pvt did it help?
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89 [00:45:46] <rant> qifan: the wifi driver has two parts the kernel module and the firmware that loads onto the device itself. I verified the firmware package in stretch for you, I gotta double check the kernel module.. but first I gotta figure out which one :P
90 [00:46:00] <qifan> thank you
91 [00:46:07] <qifan> i really apreciate :)
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94 [00:46:51] <qifan> if you need anyting else just pm me
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96 [00:47:11] <qifan> as for info of any other kind of stuff :D
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98 [00:47:29] <rant> qifan: its not listed in the rtl8192cu driver
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100 [00:47:46] <qifan> so my trully one shot would be rtl8192eu
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102 [00:47:51] <rant> qifan: there are 5 devices with vendor id 2001 and thats not one of them
103 [00:48:08] <qifan> in gentoo worked with rtl8192eu
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105 [00:48:24] <qifan> :>
106 [00:48:44] <rant> qifan: I dont have a rtl8192eu on this stretch kernel
107 [00:48:51] <qifan> neither do i
108 [00:49:27] <qifan> ill have to go deep and do things by hand
109 [00:49:27] <qifan> :(
110 [00:49:34] <rant> qifan: bottom line here is that the firmware package supports it, but thats non-free so it wont be "out of box" for that reason.. it requires a non-free firmware package to work.. and the kernel doesnt seem to support it, but thats actually a fairly easy fix.. you just need a different kernel.
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112 [00:50:21] <qifan> wich one would you guess ?
113 [00:50:39] <rant> qifan: idk.. I'm checking for other modules that may support it in my /lib/modules dir
114 [00:50:54] <qifan> cant i just do like they say here ?
115 [00:50:57] <qifan> replaced-url
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117 [00:51:08] <qifan> make things easy
118 [00:51:09] <qifan> :P
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122 [00:53:24] <rant> well r8189-usb supports p3301, and rtl8192cu supports p330d 330a 3309 3307 and 3309 with the vendor 2001
123 [00:53:42] <qifan> meh
124 [00:53:46] <rant> I also checked rtl8193ee, de, se, and none of them support it
125 [00:53:46] <qifan> ive tryed
126 [00:54:22] <rant> qifan: do you have the time/knowledge to compile your own kernel, or would you need one already built?
127 [00:54:44] <rant> you can also like you suggested, just install headers and build the module yourself
128 [00:54:52] <rant> rather than the whole kernel
129 [00:55:19] <qifan> yeh
130 [00:55:21] <qifan> :)
131 [00:55:25] <qifan> im a gamer and a dj
132 [00:55:30] <qifan> not a geek
133 [00:55:30] <qifan> :P
134 [00:55:34] <rant> I'm sorry to hear that :P
135 [00:55:39] <annadane> join us
136 [00:56:19] <rant> well, some of us anyhow.. if you join annadane you'll be addicted to reddit and be installing new versions of plasma daily :P
137 [00:56:29] <annadane> still a geek!
138 [00:56:40] <rant> and if you join me, you'd have to save up to be broke
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163 [01:16:47] <qifan> rant, make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/build: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado. Pare.
164 [01:16:50] <qifan> what does it mean?
165 [01:17:06] <qifan> says archive or directory not found
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167 [01:17:25] <qifan> do i need any extra package ?
168 [01:20:51] <qifan> cmake i need it ?
169 [01:21:02] <qifan> in this case
170 [01:21:03] <qifan> :)
171 [01:21:08] <qifan> trying brb
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173 [01:22:01] <qifan> is it possible to install a kernel (stable) from apt ?
174 [01:22:14] <qifan> im not a developer i dont want a home kernel
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177 [01:23:56] <jim> should be
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179 [01:24:42] <qifan> and does it update the bootloader also ?
180 [01:24:44] <qifan> :>
181 [01:25:09] <jim> debian kernel imaga packages should do that, yes
182 [01:25:28] <qifan> ill search them just a stable 4 somthing kernel linux-image
183 [01:25:32] <qifan> in apt
184 [01:25:36] <qifan> ok?
185 [01:25:50] <jim> it will also build an initrd with information gained from looking at how / is mounted
186 [01:26:20] <jim> are you running stretch now?
187 [01:27:17] <jim> you can run apt-cache search linux-image
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189 [01:28:19] <qifan> yes
190 [01:28:23] <qifan> did that
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192 [01:28:24] <qifan> :)
193 [01:28:33] <jim> find one you like?
194 [01:28:40] <qifan> linux-image-amd64 - Linux para computadores de 64 bits (meta-package) *edit* from portuguese to english
195 [01:28:40] <jim> also,
196 [01:28:42] <qifan> sounds ok?
197 [01:28:58] <qifan> yes?
198 [01:29:17] <qifan> udo apt-get install linux-image-flavour
199 [01:29:25] <qifan> is it stable flavour ?
200 [01:29:31] <jim> your computer is intel 64bit (or amd too)?
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203 [01:29:38] <qifan> amd ryzen 5 1600
204 [01:30:28] <jim> that sounds good... plus, if you have that installed, it should keep you uptodate
205 [01:30:38] <qifan> awsome !
206 [01:30:46] <qifan> ill going to install it
207 [01:31:38] <qifan> :>
208 [01:31:45] <rant> qifan: you had much use out of that ryzen so far?
209 [01:32:01] <qifan> no actually im selling it
210 [01:32:07] <qifan> to buy a threadripper
211 [01:32:20] <qifan> but i dont have the box :(
212 [01:32:25] <rant> qifan: I read all about it on AMD's website they talk a good game.. the mfg is the last person to believe when it comes to telling the truth about performance :P
213 [01:32:39] <qifan> well its good :D
214 [01:32:47] <rant> qifan: I thought th "threadripper" was the ryzen key "feature"
215 [01:32:47] <qifan> give quake champion under windows 180fps
216 [01:32:58] <qifan> on a 1060 (6GB) everything low
217 [01:33:17] <qifan> r5 is skt am4 ryzen threadripper is tr4
218 [01:33:28] <qifan> ryzen normal ones
219 [01:33:32] <qifan> am4 socket
220 [01:33:37] <qifan> threadripper tr4
221 [01:34:11] <qifan> a 1800x gives the same almost fps as the 1600 benchmarks says it
222 [01:34:11] <qifan> :D
223 [01:34:29] <rant> ah.. I haven't bought AMD in ages.. not familiar with any of their stuff in the last 10 years probably.. just read about it online and they claim its the greatest thing out there.. figured since you said you're a gamer and you had one, you'd be the person to ask :P
224 [01:34:45] * qifan giggling
225 [01:34:51] <qifan> intel fan?
226 [01:34:56] <qifan> amd teaches intel
227 [01:34:57] <qifan> ;)
228 [01:35:24] <jim> did the install go well
229 [01:35:29] <rant> as I said, I'd have to save up to be broke.. so I'm a cheap fan.. which is why I used to build AMD back in the day cause they offered comparable performance for lower cost than intel
230 [01:35:33] <jim> ?
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237 [01:37:27] <rant> qifan: your native tongue is portugese then?
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239 [01:37:48] <qifan> Yes it is !
240 [01:37:59] <qifan> but my keyboard is spanish P:
241 [01:38:42] <qifan> ive installed linux-image-amd64 do i need to make make modules_install? or apt-get did that for me ?
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243 [01:39:37] <qifan> does appear nothing under /usr/src/linux ?
244 [01:39:53] <qifan> not even the link ?
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248 [01:40:41] <qifan> or do i need to reboot ?
249 [01:40:43] <qifan> :>
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253 [01:42:43] <qifan> how do i open te kernel thingy ?
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255 [01:43:24] <somiaj> qifan: I don't get your goal. Is your goal to install a kernel, or to install the kernel headers? Or install the full kernel source?
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257 [01:43:48] <qifan> i want to be able to do make menuconfig
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259 [01:44:07] <rant> qifan: do you know spanish or do you just understand it because its similar?
260 [01:44:25] <qifan> i just understand it cause it similar
261 [01:44:26] <qifan> :P
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264 [01:45:27] <somiaj> qifan: I think there is an XY problem. If you want a newer kernel, install one from backports. If you want to compile a module against the debian kernel, you only need the linux-headers package. If you want to build the whole kernel, you need the linux-source package.
265 [01:45:38] <rant> I have struggled with Portugese and only in recent years realized its the 6th most spoken language by population as Brazil and such has been coming up in technology. I studied Latin, French, Spanis, and German in school and Portugese confuses me. I tend to speak to natives in Spanish and they speak Portugese and we seem to understand one another well enough :P
266 [01:45:44] <somiaj> qifan: also try to hit enter less.
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268 [01:46:45] <rant> somiaj: we were originally talking about a Dlink network adapter they have that is an RTL8192CU and I've determined by checking my system that while we have several firmwares for it, the stretch kernel has no driver that'll claim that specific card.. so it may be related to that
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270 [01:47:26] <rant> I got disconnected inbetween so I no longer have the backlog on the issue
271 [01:47:33] <qifan> replaced-url
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273 [01:47:38] <somiaj> I think I recall someone else mentioning something about teh RTL8192?? driver not being mainline either. so unsure if it would be in a backported kernel. But I dno't recall what ?? they were talking about.
274 [01:47:39] <qifan> Plz how do i fix this ?
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276 [01:48:02] <qifan> i have 2 headers
277 [01:48:03] <qifan> :S
278 [01:48:12] <rant> somiaj: well the RTL8192CU driver is there, it just doesnt have that vend/prod ID listed in modinfo, so its not going to claim the device
279 [01:48:14] <somiaj> qifan: You'll get better support if you produce output in english.
280 [01:48:24] <somiaj> !localized error
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282 [01:48:41] <annadane> !localized errors
283 [01:48:41] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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285 [01:49:03] <qifan> linux-headers-4.9.0-5-amd64/ linux-headers-4.9.0-5-common/
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287 [01:49:06] <somiaj> rant: have you tried to force the driver to assoicate with the vendor/prod ID?
288 [01:49:14] <qifan> I have 2 headers can i clean one ?
289 [01:49:18] <somiaj> qifan: you want both those packages.
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291 [01:49:24] <qifan> k
292 [01:49:26] <somiaj> qifan: what do you mean by clean one?
293 [01:49:27] <qifan> wich one do i use
294 [01:49:51] <qifan> to to compile a module against the debian kernel
295 [01:49:57] <somiaj> qifan: they are linked together, but in this case you are wanting to build using the 4.9.0-5-amd64 headers, the -common is just suff that is independent from arch.
296 [01:50:02] <somiaj> qifan: you need both.
297 [01:50:07] <qifan> :>
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299 [01:50:59] <rant> /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/build directory is not found during make of the rtl driver after installing linux-headers-amd64 is the gist of it
300 [01:51:28] <somiaj> qifan: uname -a, are you still running off the old 4.9.0-4 kernel?
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302 [01:52:00] <qifan> Linux cringer 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
303 [01:52:21] <qifan> yes rant, thank you
304 [01:52:22] <qifan> :)
305 [01:52:29] <qifan> how can i fix it ?
306 [01:52:38] <somiaj> qifan: rant: Something like this might help, echo XXXX YYYY > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/r8169/new_id -- that should force the driver to try to control that new id
307 [01:53:00] <qifan> to dificult for me that part somiaj
308 [01:53:00] <rant> I wasnt aware you could do that without patching the driver
309 [01:53:01] <qifan> :(
310 [01:53:21] <somiaj> I'm unsure if trying to force the driver (replace r8169 with correct module) to assoicate with that card will be enough. I had a usb driver that I had to do this with.
311 [01:53:26] <rant> but the driver you'd want to try force would be the rtl8192cu more than likely
312 [01:53:42] <somiaj> yea, the info I found was for a nother driver, I missed the actual driver, so change that
313 [01:53:44] <qifan> step by step
314 [01:53:45] <somiaj> I would try that first
315 [01:53:48] <qifan> what should i do :)
316 [01:53:49] <rant> and I assume XXXX YYYY is the vend/prod hex codes?
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318 [01:53:55] <somiaj> qifan: you just need to reboot. You are running an older kernel.
319 [01:53:59] <somiaj> rant: correct
320 [01:54:00] <qifan> k
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322 [01:54:38] <rant> somiaj: surely that has to be supported by the driver, and is not just some general interface of the kernel?
323 [01:54:43] <somiaj> rant: I was surprised when I found that too, but it was helpful in the case that I had some odd usb dongle that the driver woudln't recoginze.
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325 [01:55:05] <somiaj> rant: my guess is it is some general interface since most modules know what pciids or usbids they support.
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327 [01:55:28] <rant> somiaj: I checked all the realtek drivers in my stretch kernel against the vendor code he gave me.. only two had support for that vendor and neither supported the specific prod code
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330 [01:56:04] <somiaj> hopefully when they come back you can try that, it is quick, and if it works, then no need to use the upstream driver.
331 [01:56:29] <rant> somiaj: true..unless it has shotty performance.. which is common with wifi drivers
332 [01:56:29] <somiaj> replaced-url
333 [01:56:40] <rant> though in my experience the firmware is usually the cause of it
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335 [01:56:51] <somiaj> rant: mine as well.
336 [01:56:52] <qifan> w0rking now many thanks
337 [01:56:53] <qifan> :)
338 [01:57:04] <rant> because more often than not the issue is noise floor calibration which is typically in the firmware
339 [01:57:07] <somiaj> qifan: anyways, before building the driver, I would have tried my other suggestion.
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341 [01:57:33] <somiaj> only issue is you have to script it to set this up each time you boot.
342 [01:57:37] <somiaj> (if it works)
343 [01:58:06] <rant> qifan: yes I concur that trying to force the existing driver to work is something worth trying.. because this bulding the driver will break anytime the kernel upgrades unless you have a dkms build system for it
344 [01:58:33] <rant> qifan: if the existing driver will work, even if you gotta hack something to set it up at boot, that'll not be affected by kernel updates
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346 [01:59:12] <rant> qifan: when building a module outside dkms, you now have to maintain that module and rebuild it every time the kernel updates
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348 [02:00:49] <qifan> finally!
349 [02:01:00] <qifan> my wifi is up and runing
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351 [02:01:15] * qifan clap clap clap
352 [02:01:17] <rant> qifan: you built the driver?
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354 [02:01:20] <qifan> yup
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356 [02:01:35] <rant> qifan: you make note of what I said about having to manually maintain that driver?
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358 [02:02:09] <rant> debian will release kernel updates with security patches and that driver will break and need to be manually rebuilt
359 [02:02:36] <somiaj> qifan: make sure the linux-headers-amd64 package is installed, and keep the source/script for the driver on your system. This should allow you to rebuild it fairly easily after an upgrade.
360 [02:02:59] <somiaj> it might work until another abi change happens, but just keep the meta package installed and be ready to rebuild when it doesn't work.
361 [02:03:22] <qifan> linux-headers-amd64 is important to be installed but its allready installed
362 [02:03:24] <qifan> dont worry
363 [02:03:24] <qifan> :)
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366 [02:04:00] <rant> fair enough.. I'd check the other method if it were me.. cause its more easy to maintain in the long run if it works
367 [02:04:03] <qifan> i just use debian for gaming
368 [02:04:05] <qifan> :)
369 [02:04:19] <qifan> not into upgrading or maintainnig
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371 [02:04:21] <qifan> :)
372 [02:04:39] <rant> qifan: its funny to hear someone say that having been using it for about 15 years.. back in the day gamin is the one thing that kept people from linux
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375 [02:05:29] <qifan> xD
376 [02:05:37] <rant> I know they ported steam years ago but I never did follow up to see about porting of various games along with it.. I'm at most a dabbler in games and really picky.. and I never had a problem playing the games I liked
377 [02:06:23] <rant> I've played GTA San Andreas, Spore, Madden, and a number of others on linux without issues
378 [02:06:47] <rant> that Spore was a really interesting game for people of all ages..
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380 [02:08:10] <rant> took those sim style games and kinda blended it with a RTS of sorts, took you from single cell organisms up through making it to land, civilization, space travel..etc.
381 [02:08:44] <rant> and as complex as it all was, it was easy enough and entertaining enough for a small child to play
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383 [02:13:49] <somiaj> and I've one of the few figured out how to game in linux. Though only play a few games helped with that.
384 [02:14:55] <jhutchins> somiaj: No, really, been gaming for years and I'm not much of a gamer.
385 [02:15:11] <jhutchins> I guess that's part of it, low epectations.
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388 [02:15:45] <rant> I tried Assault Cube recently on a machine I installed for someone and didn't see any servers online anymore.. I used to enjoy that for a quick game..
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390 [02:16:57] <rant> just looking up Spore again I see that Dark Spore was discontinued in 2016.. I never did get to check it out.. idk if its still even playable if the servers went offline..
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407 [02:34:30] <qifan> Q: Is it possible to play "QUAKE" without having the cdrom ? i installed it and it says : Please use game-data-packager to build and install the data packages for Quake.
408 [02:34:45] <qifan> but its allready installed
409 [02:34:46] <qifan> :(
410 [02:34:57] <rant> qifan: you could probably get shareware data files or open source ones easily enough
411 [02:35:13] <rant> usually those games like the doom engines have open data files in the repos
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416 [02:38:44] <qifan> ohh ty
417 [02:38:47] <qifan> ^^
418 [02:38:51] <qifan> for QUAKE
419 [02:38:56] <qifan> what would be the command ?
420 [02:39:55] <elektron> apt-cache search quake data
421 [02:40:40] <qifan> zanks
422 [02:41:29] <qifan> darkplaces right ?
423 [02:41:35] <qifan> elektron,
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425 [02:42:23] * elektron shrugs..
426 [02:43:00] <elektron> check out: nexuiz
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432 [02:47:11] <qifan> game-data-packager is already the newest version (49.1).
433 [02:47:17] <qifan> but quake complains its not
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654 [07:21:41] <g105b> Is it possible to resize the filesystem down so it's quicker and easier to take an image of the drive?
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656 [07:23:30] <darxmurf> which FS ?
657 [07:23:31] <alkisg> g105b: sure, resize2fs, gparted
658 [07:23:42] <darxmurf> you can resize EXT
659 [07:23:56] <darxmurf> XFS too but only grow it, not shrink
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661 [07:24:34] <g105b_> alkisg: thanks, I thought resize2fs was only for going larger.
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663 [07:24:56] <alkisg> man => " It can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file system located on device."
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665 [07:25:40] <g105b_> aha that's the ticket then :) so, I'll need to unmount the root fs, gparted it smaller, then use resize2fs before re-mounting?
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667 [07:25:52] <pingfloyd> no
668 [07:26:01] <pingfloyd> if you're shrinking, you shrink the fs first then the partition
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670 [07:26:15] <alkisg> g105b_, gparted also calls resize2fs, so you can just use its gui without additional steps
671 [07:26:20] <pingfloyd> best to shrink the partition to a little bigger than the fs, and grow the fs to the partition
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674 [07:26:30] <g105b_> oh interesting, thanks alkisg
675 [07:26:44] <alkisg> np; it's all gui-driven, piece of cake there, no need to calculate anything
676 [07:27:09] <pingfloyd> yeah, gparted is probably the most user friendly method
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678 [07:28:34] <g105b_> just to confirm, because this OS is pretty fresh and has only had a few things installed, when trimming the end of the partition in gparted, there won't be any chance of files being lost at the end of the partition? Not sure how partitions work, do they fill up from the start?
679 [07:29:07] <alkisg> g105b_: gparted calls resize2fs, which relocates blocks if needed, so you don't have to worry about any of this
680 [07:29:24] <g105b_> That is just brilliant. Thanks guys.
681 [07:29:31] <alkisg> np
682 [07:30:02] <cheapie> You may also want to look into e2image if you're imaging a drive. I think it's smart enough to only copy used areas, but you do have to give it some options to make it work right, so RTFM :P
683 [07:30:03] <darxmurf> g105b_: there is also a gparted live CD if you want to do that offline
684 [07:30:19] <cheapie> gparted uses e2image if you tell it to copy an ext* partition, I think.
685 [07:30:24] <g105b_> Gparted works on Windows and Mac too doesn't it?
686 [07:30:42] <cheapie> Linux-only AFAIK.
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688 [07:30:50] <pingfloyd> g105b_: you should still have anything important backed up first regardless
689 [07:30:56] <cheapie> But as darxmurf stated, there is a live CD you can use.
690 [07:31:10] <alkisg> partimage is also great to back up partitions
691 [07:31:40] <kopper> g105b_: If you need to use it on Win machine, you could use live distro on USB.
692 [07:31:47] <darxmurf> if you want to resize stuff using a free windows software, you can have a look on Paragon Partition Manager free
693 [07:31:59] <darxmurf> but I would use a live Gparted
694 [07:32:20] <g105b_> Yeah I don't trust Windows for this kind of thing.
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696 [07:32:29] <pingfloyd> just put grml on a usb stick and have that and more
697 [07:33:03] <darxmurf> g105b_: it works :-) but anyway, you have multiple solutions there, take the one you want :-)
698 [07:33:17] <g105b_> Thank you!
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709 [07:44:11] <Haxxa> Hi Guys, All my interfaces on my server were renamed to eno1 , eno2 etc. except some which are still called eth3, eth4, etc. - anyway to force them all to the new naming scheme i.e. eno4
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711 [07:46:49] <alkisg> Haxxa: check if /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules exists, if so move it elsewhere, it has the old names
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713 [07:47:55] <Haxxa> alkisg, thanks it does, so just mv /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.old
714 [07:48:31] <alkisg> Haxxa: you can also move it to /home/somewhere, but I think yes it will be ignored if it doesn't have a .rules extension
715 [07:48:37] <alkisg> And reboot
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717 [07:49:30] <Haxxa> alkisg, hmmm... anyway to avoid rebooting? there are now active users using the file server guest on this machine
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719 [07:50:18] <alkisg> Haxxa: I'm not sure, because you could reload udev rules, but there are a lot of other components on the networking stack
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759 [08:19:27] <chi> what version of e1000e comes with Debian Jessie?
760 [08:19:58] <chi> is it 3.4.0.2-NAPI?
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772 [08:33:52] <grungy> Hello there,
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774 [08:34:02] <grungy> iptables -t raw -L -v -n -x
775 [08:34:08] <grungy> What does this line mean exactly ?
776 [08:34:16] <grungy> It's cronning on my auth.log
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781 [08:42:38] <petn-randall> grungy: the man page explains each of those parameters.
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785 [08:46:09] <grungy> I didn't get it
786 [08:46:17] <grungy> Why would someone use it ?
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791 [08:51:29] <jelly> filename: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
792 [08:51:30] <jelly> version: 2.3.2-k
793 [08:52:00] <jelly> chi, ^^ not the latest kernel but it's unlikely a newer driver got backported in the lat 3 months of security updates
794 [08:52:53] <jelly> grungy, extra auditing, tracking changes done by some other tool?
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801 [08:58:18] <kopper> grungy: Someone wanted to see a list of iptables rules in raw chain?
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840 [09:38:46] <qifan> Good Morning Vietnam ! :P
841 [09:38:56] <qifan> hi sunshine :P
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843 [09:39:29] <qifan> replaced-url
844 [09:39:37] <qifan> howto install it on debian python way ?
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848 [09:43:02] <BanHammor> qifan, for a single-user install, you can install it via Python's pip
849 [09:43:24] <BanHammor> they also have a PPA, which might or might not work for you.
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853 [09:45:54] <qifan> :>
854 [09:46:02] <qifan> doing the single-user install !
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858 [09:47:54] <qifan> i found revelant to say i found a cool out of the box native game for linux a bit big and espensive but r0cks !
859 [09:48:01] <qifan> star citizens
860 [09:48:06] <qifan> its called!
861 [09:48:15] <qifan> mmorpg fanatic
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874 [09:55:39] <kopper> qifan: Isn't it still in alpha?
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876 [09:55:50] <kopper> Like it's been for ages
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878 [09:56:45] <qifan> could not locate file 'msgfmt', exiting...
879 [09:56:51] <qifan> whatis msgfmt ?
880 [09:56:58] <qifan> what package provide it ?
881 [09:57:05] <qifan> well it runs well on gentoo
882 [09:57:12] <qifan> lackign the cleared finished
883 [09:57:20] <qifan> but thats not a inssue
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886 [09:59:04] <BanHammor> qifan, dpkg -S /path/to/file is the command you're looking for
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888 [09:59:15] <BanHammor> and it tells me the package you need is gettext
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894 [10:02:18] <qifan> tks bankie :)
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897 [10:02:44] <qifan> what does -s stands for ?
898 [10:02:47] <qifan> -S
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905 [10:06:08] <qifan> w0rking now ty
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913 [10:10:22] <qifan> I cant access my root (folder) to put youtube-dlg (app) on gnome favorites, its located under "/root/.config/youtube-dlg"
914 [10:10:38] <qifan> from files on command line it works
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927 [10:20:54] <qifan> I cant access my root (folder) to put youtube-dlg (app) on gnome favorites, its located under "/root/.config/youtube-dlg"
928 [10:20:55] <qifan> from files on command line it works
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936 [10:26:51] <EoflaOE> What does it say? Why file explorer are you using?
937 [10:26:56] <EoflaOE> what*
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948 [10:35:23] <ws2k3> im trying to install debian 8 on a supermicro server. but once i hit install i get a black screen. what can this be?
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950 [10:36:20] <ws2k3> i also tryed with graphic install. same result
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957 [10:44:45] <ws2k3> well lets install wheezy and upgrade
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959 [10:47:50] <gpunk> have you tryed stretch ?
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961 [10:49:19] <ws2k3> gpunk no i didnt
962 [10:49:37] <gpunk> may be you should give it a try ?
963 [10:49:39] <ws2k3> sputnik but all my servers are still on jessie
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984 [11:13:35] <n4mu> Hello, does anyone know where I can find a page that lists compatible printers ? Search engines are dead to me. Cheers.
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990 [11:18:56] <nix64bit> just got lemon zebra printer gk420t
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992 [11:19:31] <nix64bit> we do we suport these idiots if they dont support or os?
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994 [11:19:47] <nix64bit> our os
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998 [11:22:17] <Iridos> n4mu, well… replaced-url
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1000 [11:24:21] <Iridos> but… anything that can do postscript is fine anyway (that's mostly hp) and pretty much anything else, too
1001 [11:24:47] <Iridos> hm, funny, you have to go pretty far configuring something
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1003 [11:25:50] <Iridos> ah, you can just configure an "ipp" network printer on localhost … give it a random name and then there's a long list of printers that have specific config in cups
1004 [11:26:03] <nix64bit> i got it working but need to format it - i guess its pstscript
1005 [11:26:13] <nix64bit> isnt that a bit like pdf?
1006 [11:26:50] <Iridos> oh, that was for n4mu … also… replaced-url
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1010 [11:29:12] <nix64bit> oh the irony - just got spammed by microsoft - what a bunch of whatevers
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1012 [11:32:31] <nix64bit> any thoughts on ps editors? vim :)
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1016 [11:40:48] <n4mu> Iridos: thanks : ] So I guess I just have to go through CUPs to find out..
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1018 [11:42:11] <n4mu> I was already in there, but then "it" started to ask me questions and I just wanted to know if a specific printer would work.. And then I thought, there must be a web page somewhere where I can see which printers work (with or without non-free).
1019 [11:44:58] * n4mu is using "ctrl f" within "Firebug" (or whatever it's called these days) to find a printer.. : ]
1020 [11:45:22] <n4mu> Iridos: thanks for the tip. Have a nice day.
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1025 [11:51:56] <colo-work> I have a (midly technical) co-worker who'd like to learn to interact with a Debian GNU/Linux system via its command line interface. can you recommend a decent learning resource for that?
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1028 [11:53:30] <gpunk> replaced-url
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1035 [11:58:17] <Iridos> colo-work, mmh, definitely not one of those thick unix/linux books… tell him about manpages and "man bash" and how to search for keywords within there?
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1038 [11:59:13] <Iridos> pretty much any guide I've seen goes over board with too much info. You really need to know maybe 30 commands, 10 of which you use really often… and understand something like 5-8 concepts
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1070 [12:29:08] <immae> Brigo: FYI, I ended up finding out why the booting failed: somehow there is a timeout in initramfs scripts to have the root filesystem available (30s). Once over, it goes in panic mode and you cannot boot anymore. Since I need more than 30s to login+unlock the device, it always fell into panic mode. I think this timeout appeared during an initramfs upgrade at some point and it was overlooked...
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1081 [12:42:28] <jim> in a few cases, booting has to assemble a raid array (in which is contained the / partition)
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1102 [13:03:59] <qifan> how do i change the state of a wifi USB dongle, with ip command ?
1103 [13:04:05] <qifan> state is DOWN
1104 [13:04:11] <qifan> i want state UP
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1110 [13:07:30] <JustASlacker> thats what she said
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1117 [13:13:13] <zennix> gifan, ip link set <interface> up
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1130 [13:19:12] <BluesKaj> Hi
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1192 [14:18:52] <Neel> ,v amd-libopencl1
1193 [14:18:53] <judd> Package: amd-libopencl1 on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4
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1196 [14:19:35] <Neel> ,v amd-opencl-icd
1197 [14:19:36] <judd> Package: amd-opencl-icd on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4
1198 [14:19:51] <dob1> what is the "safe" alternative to encfs?
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1223 [14:55:53] <user0> The MIT License is a permissive license that is short and to the point. It lets people do anything they want with your code as long as they provide attribution back to you and don’t hold you liable. What does "attribution" mean ?
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1229 [14:57:29] <qifan> Hi dudes!
1230 [14:57:31] <qifan> :)
1231 [14:58:40] <qifan> my dongle Nano Wifi D-Link 131 Dwa finally w0rks, but the led isnt working
1232 [14:58:44] <qifan> why?
1233 [14:59:06] <qifan> and doesnt accept passwds it seams
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1244 [15:01:57] <jelly> user0: "user0 wrote this library, and not us, we just use it"
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1258 [15:09:06] <qifan> :>
1259 [15:09:48] <BanHammor> So I see Debian's default Linux config builds ext4 support as a module.
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1261 [15:10:09] <hexhaxtron> My https stopped working suddenly. It works with http but not https. What should I do?
1262 [15:10:11] <BanHammor> is debian counting on all the boot-important modules to be loaded via initramfs?
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1264 [15:10:47] <qifan> hexhaxtron, did you mess with proxys ?
1265 [15:10:54] <hexhaxtron> qifan: I didn't...
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1267 [15:11:30] <qifan> http works https doesnt thats prolly because you messed with certifications
1268 [15:11:37] <qifan> kerberus ?
1269 [15:11:49] <hexhaxtron> qifan: I use letsencrypt.
1270 [15:12:08] <qifan> hmmm
1271 [15:12:11] <user0> hexhaxtron: renew your certificate ?
1272 [15:12:19] <hexhaxtron> user0: how?
1273 [15:12:44] <qifan> whats the ouput of #date
1274 [15:12:48] <qifan> in terminal
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1276 [15:12:59] <user0> certbot renew --pre-hook "systemctl stop nginx" --post-hook "systemctl start nginx" --renew-hook "systemctl reload nginx; systemctl reload dovecot; systemctl reload postfix" --quiet
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1278 [15:13:16] <babilen> Assuming hexhaxtron uses certbot and nginx
1279 [15:13:26] <hexhaxtron> I use apache2.
1280 [15:13:44] <babilen> And this is about your own site rather than your inability to access any https site online?
1281 [15:13:49] <hexhaxtron> qifan: Fri 2 Feb 14:13:38 GMT 2018
1282 [15:13:54] <qifan> k
1283 [15:14:03] <qifan> nvm them
1284 [15:14:04] <hexhaxtron> babilen: yes, my own site.
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1286 [15:14:26] <babilen> Did you renew your certificate and reload your webserver afterwards?
1287 [15:14:39] <babilen> And if you use certbot something like the above might come in handy
1288 [15:14:47] <babilen> I personally also like dehydrated
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1291 [15:15:44] <Iridos> well, what site?
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1294 [15:16:38] <Iridos> first thing would be to check if it's really the certificat? ^^
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1297 [15:17:54] <hexhaxtron> babilen: Failed authorization procedure. replaced-url
1298 [15:19:06] <hexhaxtron> Iridos: replaced-url
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1303 [15:23:51] <user0> hexhaxtron: the server is not running on https
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1305 [15:24:03] <user0> replaced-url
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1321 [15:33:31] <user0> hexhaxtron: How can i get a shell ?
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1323 [15:34:08] <user0> hexhaxtron: Mail registration ok i just saw that.
1324 [15:34:33] <JustASlacker> user0: replaced-url
1325 [15:35:20] <hexhaxtron> user0: just choose a username.
1326 [15:35:28] <hexhaxtron> It's working now by the way. :)
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1330 [15:36:08] <user0> replaced-url
1331 [15:36:33] <DrWatson> Hello
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1334 [15:37:15] <user0> hexhaxtron: This is not green in google chrome i don't know why but the certificate looks valid
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1337 [15:39:11] <JustASlacker> its not secure because the site loads content from replaced-url
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1340 [15:39:51] <user0> JustASlacker: Ok
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1365 [15:55:51] <vahe> how install json-glib (stabile repo)?
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1368 [15:56:33] <vahe> stable*
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1372 [15:58:36] <Nawab> how do i install the AMD graphics drivers for OpenCL
1373 [15:58:48] <Nawab> the non-free ones
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1375 [15:59:19] <towo^work> there are no non-free amnd drivers in debian anymore
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1377 [16:01:31] <Nawab> does anyone dolitecoin mining on their gpu on debian
1378 [16:01:39] <Nawab> do litecoin*
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1382 [16:03:25] <dutchfish> Nawab, in regards to OpenCL you might want to read ths replaced-url
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1384 [16:03:54] <dutchfish> Nawab, and this replaced-url
1385 [16:04:08] <Nawab> thnx dutchfish
1386 [16:04:12] <dutchfish> yw
1387 [16:05:00] <Nawab> ,v beignet
1388 [16:05:02] <judd> Package: beignet on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.3~really.0.8+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 1.3.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.3.0-4; buster: 1.3.2-1; sid: 1.3.2-1
1389 [16:05:40] <dutchfish> Nawab, rem, this is work in progress, only the latest code on sid is what you want, if you really want this to work
1390 [16:06:03] <Nawab> what latest code
1391 [16:06:07] <dutchfish> Nawab, and you need a recent kernel and AMD open source drivers
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1393 [16:07:01] <dutchfish> Nawab, follow the links i gave and their breadcrumbs, this is not for the fiant of hearth ones .....
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1395 [16:07:25] <dutchfish> faint*
1396 [16:07:33] * BluesKaj wonders if the correct kernel modules/headers for nvidia-legacy drivers are available yet. The web pages containing the headers for the kernel modules foe both stretch 9.3 and Buster (KDE/Plasma) are apparently the wrong ones for the nvidia-340 legacy driver, it builds with dkms but won't load on reboot
1397 [16:08:01] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, not yet, but i saw snippets of workarounds the other day floating around
1398 [16:08:44] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, in testing/sid
1399 [16:09:28] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, or go with the older drivers
1400 [16:09:36] <dutchfish> !nvidea
1401 [16:09:36] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidea is that company that makes 'closed-source' drivers for their hardware?, or spelled wrong
1402 [16:09:56] <BluesKaj> dutchfish, I'm patient because the nouveau driver rarely misbehaves. There are few artifacts now and then , but mostly it works quite well
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1404 [16:10:11] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, fair enough
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1407 [16:11:09] <BluesKaj> the website nvidsi driver isn't in the cards ...learned my lesson about that route :-0
1408 [16:11:21] <dutchfish> :)
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1450 [16:48:21] <DammitJim> I have a USB drive attached to my laptop to which I rsync files
1451 [16:48:43] <DammitJim> is it normal that every time I run rsync, all the files get updated?
1452 [16:49:04] <DammitJim> how can I find out the reason why it keeps updating the files every time it runs even though the files haven't really changed
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1454 [16:49:34] <SwedeMike> DammitJim: what filesystem does the usb drive use? WHat options do you give rsync?
1455 [16:49:46] <DammitJim> rsync -av
1456 [16:49:50] <DammitJim> let me look at the filesystem
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1459 [16:50:36] <DammitJim> vfat
1460 [16:50:41] <DammitJim> yuck!
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1468 [16:56:58] <SwedeMike> DammitJim: what do you want it to do? trust date+size of destination file without any further checking? I haven't done this to vfat fs, don't know if there is a problem. Typically when I do rsync I ask it to also check hash, but that involves reading all the files again
1469 [16:57:35] <greycat> Best solution is to use ext4 (or some other unix file system) on the backup medium.
1470 [16:57:48] <jelly> DammitJim: vfat has 2-second timestamp resolution, and limited ownership/permissions support, you will have to tell rsync to ignore differences in some of these things
1471 [16:58:11] <jelly> noone made an uvfat equivalent of umsdos
1472 [16:58:17] <DammitJim> I just want the files to be backed up
1473 [16:58:36] <jelly> the easiest thing to do is what greycat said
1474 [16:58:37] <DammitJim> oh
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1476 [16:59:00] <DammitJim> yeah, I've started to use ext4 on my USB drives
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1478 [16:59:16] <DammitJim> I just can't do it on this one because I need to easily connect it to a windows machine *sigh*
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1480 [16:59:30] <DammitJim> oh, but I think there are switches to "not care" about timestamp, right?
1481 [16:59:31] <jelly> you'll have to learn more about rsync options then
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1483 [17:00:03] <DammitJim> how do I know if timestamp is the actual issue in my case?
1484 [17:00:18] <greycat> By trying it with an option that tells it to ignore timestamp only.
1485 [17:00:29] <jelly> you don't. You try to rsync with new options and see if wants to rsync files again
1486 [17:00:35] <greycat> If it still "fails" (recopies) then it's some other issue.
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1489 [17:00:42] <jelly> DammitJim: -n is useful.
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1491 [17:00:53] <lfamorim> Hello! There is a way to save my current network configuration to /etc/network/interfaces?
1492 [17:00:59] <jelly> when trying thins out.
1493 [17:00:59] <DammitJim> oh ok, thanks
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1495 [17:01:06] <lfamorim> Whitout do it mannualy ...
1496 [17:01:12] <jelly> lfamorim: nope, sorry
1497 [17:01:21] <lfamorim> @jelly, ;(
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1499 [17:01:37] <lfamorim> crying a river right now rs...
1500 [17:01:45] <teatime> lfamorim: it generally isn't very complicated; if you run into problems, feel free to ask us
1501 [17:02:04] <teatime> lfamorim: what do you have so much of configured that it's an issue?
1502 [17:02:28] <jelly> probably got bonding with vlans on bridges!
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1504 [17:02:54] <lfamorim> teatime, the problem is time. Because dnsmasq for libvirt conflict with my DNS program and I don't have any alternative for this DHCP server.
1505 [17:02:59] <teatime> I figured it was something like that, pre/post-up commands etc., that even if there was an automatic saver, it wouldn't likely save them :)
1506 [17:03:19] <lfamorim> The problem is, libvirt use the same solution for DHCP and DNSMASQ.
1507 [17:03:21] <teatime> lfamorim: that doesn't explain why it is difficult for you to create /etc/network/interfaces
1508 [17:03:31] <lfamorim> teatime, because there is a lot of machines
1509 [17:03:43] <lfamorim> many I can only connect with VNC
1510 [17:03:51] <teatime> no configuration management?
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1512 [17:03:55] <teatime> or even ssh?
1513 [17:03:58] <lfamorim> teatime, no network
1514 [17:04:52] <teatime> I assume they're all similar; I bet you could make a script that works for your specific environment etc., w/o too much effort/time
1515 [17:04:56] <DammitJim> ok, the --modify-window thing seems to be working
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1517 [17:05:09] <lfamorim> teatime, yes
1518 [17:05:12] <lfamorim> I will do it.
1519 [17:05:52] <dob1> Hi, I have this case: pc1 that can connect to via ssh pc2, pc2 that can connect to via ssh pc3, pc1 can't connect to pc3 via ssh. I would like to rsync data (copy) from pc3 to pc1, can I use ssh tunnel for this?
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1523 [17:06:39] <teatime> lfamorim: how are they configuring their network now? if not the interfaces file / ifupdown, must be one of: systemd-networkd, NetworkManager, wicd, etc. …
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1527 [17:07:25] <kikadisa> Hell !!
1528 [17:07:29] <kikadisa> Hello !!
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1530 [17:07:41] <kikadisa> I'm planning to sign my ssh key.
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1534 [17:08:08] <kikadisa> And i also plan to add "TrustedUserCAKeys" in my sshd_config. Does it mean all my ssh key should be signed ?
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1537 [17:08:50] <teatime> lfamorim: When you said libvirt and dnsmasq conflict, do you mean a deb package conflict? What packages specifically conflict?
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1540 [17:10:45] <lfamorim> teatime, no, I mean dnsmasq use por 53 and my program too.
1541 [17:10:49] <lfamorim> They listen in same addr.
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1546 [17:13:21] <teatime> lfamorim: so, are you using NetworkManager or something like that?
1547 [17:13:31] <teatime> (I asked that question above.)
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1549 [17:14:16] <lfamorim> no, nothing like that
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1551 [17:14:32] <lfamorim> teatime, thank you for your help
1552 [17:14:48] <lfamorim> I changed the DHCP server to another
1553 [17:14:55] <lfamorim> and everthing runs well now
1554 [17:15:14] <teatime> sigh. whatever works for you.
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1556 [17:15:58] <lfamorim> :)
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1581 [17:43:32] <sebboh> Hello. I've just installed pulseaudio via apt-get install pulseaudio. The program 'saytime' works. But 'minimodem' and 'pulsemixer' do not. They say "E: Cannot create PulseAudio stream: Connection refused" and "Failed to connect to pulseaudio daemon: Connection refused", respectively. How do I check if the daemon is running? `sudo ps aux|grep -i pulse` returns no hits other than my grep. I have
1582 [17:43:34] <sebboh> rebooted during troubleshooting.
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1588 [17:46:10] <Brigo> sebboh, the rebooting didn't help?
1589 [17:46:24] <sebboh> `service --status-all` doesn't list anything about pulseaudio.
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1592 [17:46:51] <sebboh> Brigo: correct, I still get the same error messages and still don't see anything matching 'pulse' in my process list.
1593 [17:46:56] <Brigo> sebboh, pulseaudio usually don't run as a service but from your user session.
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1595 [17:47:04] <sebboh> ohhhhh
1596 [17:47:06] <pard68> sebboh, PulseAudio's deamon appears to run as needed via socket. So It might not show. Make sure that pulseaudio.socket is enabled.
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1598 [17:47:17] <Brigo> i have to go, bye :)
1599 [17:47:32] <sebboh> Brigo: you gave me the clue, thanks!
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1601 [17:47:59] <sebboh> I'm not using a proper desktop environment, it's cobbled together. I probably need to put something about pulseaudio into my .xsession. :)
1602 [17:48:48] <sebboh> pard68: I saw a file named pulseaudio.socket in the output of `dpkg -L pulseaudio`. /usr/lib/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket
1603 [17:48:56] <sebboh> But, I don't know what to do with it.
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1605 [17:49:11] <pard68> sebboh, The Arch wiki states that "PulseAudio will be launched automatically regardless"
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1608 [17:50:26] <pard68> That was in ref. to something about autostart up programs. So it sounded like you don't need a desktop environment to run
1609 [17:50:44] <greycat> replaced-url
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1611 [17:51:13] <greycat> my 3rd google result for "how to start pulseaudio"
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1614 [17:52:28] <pard68> sebboh, follow that bbs post. It's what I was thinking, which is that PulseAudio.socket was masked/disabled.
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1617 [17:53:07] <greycat> that's certainly worth checking, but it also contains the command you need to use in a .xsession file to start it up
1618 [17:53:08] <sebboh> greycat I'll check your link but your tone indicates that I should have somehow known that pulse audio wasn't started and that it's my responsibility to start it. ...Check your buffer for my first question in here today! ;)
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1624 [17:58:26] <sebboh> ok I'll have to learn about this systemd socket thing sometime. Meanwhile, I think the current situation is fine and I'll just manually do `pulseaudio --start` on demand. Easy enough. This is the first time I've wanted audio out of this VM in five years so... :)
1625 [17:58:41] <sebboh> Thanks pard68 and greycat!
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1628 [17:59:42] <greycat> "the socket thing" is just "systemd should listen on this socket, and whenever a client tries to connect to it, launch the service"
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1639 [18:02:12] <pard68> sebboh, that took care of it? Deb. probably doesn't auto enable that socket.
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1714 [18:58:28] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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1717 [18:58:47] <greycat> Fuck me sideways.
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1720 [18:59:04] <RoyK> yeah, only -12°C
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1736 [19:11:54] <Sefid_par> I want to host domain (example200.com) on my newly started VPS. I don't know how to create a dns server for that. Where can I find a tutorial on that?
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1740 [19:13:37] <acidtripper> Sefid_par, check Bind tutorial debian
1741 [19:13:51] <acidtripper> it's quite easy to configure it
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1747 [19:18:19] <somiaj> other options are use your register or some other dns to point to the vps. You don't have to run the dns on the server.
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1757 [19:26:38] <Sefid_par> acidtripper: Thank you. I will to understand how to do this task by it.
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1761 [19:30:25] <Sefid_par> I have a very first question. I have a VPS. And I have a Domain. In domain shop, I can set a NameServer ns1 and ns2 to a DNS Server. But. How can I make my Domain to point to my VPS? It's very strange for me. How can it point to my server?
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1763 [19:31:48] <drocsid> I see cron launching my program via syslog. I also enabled cron logging as mentioned here: replaced-url
1764 [19:32:31] <drocsid> I am using crontab from my user account. However I don't see any mail message and the script I'm launching works when I execute it manually
1765 [19:36:09] <greycat> you only get email if the job produces output on stdout or stderr
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1768 [19:37:32] <DammitJim> what can I do to avoid rsync problems like: rsync: symlink ".... -> .... " failed: Operation not permitted (1)
1769 [19:37:42] <DammitJim> is there a way to tell rsync not to do symbolic links?
1770 [19:38:02] <DammitJim> duh
1771 [19:38:06] <DammitJim> no-links
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1774 [19:42:03] <greycat> seriously, use ext4 on your backup file system
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1781 [19:47:24] <drocsid> greycat: Thanks. It should be writing to STDOUT / STDERR . I have set -x at the begining of the script. I've added an echo line now and also the permissions look good to me. Stumped
1782 [19:47:52] <greycat> Does email work at all? echo test | mailx -s test "$LOGNAME"
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1784 [19:48:15] <greycat> that's close enough to what cron does that it's a pretty good test
1785 [19:48:44] <greycat> obviously it'll fall over if you have special email client variables in your interactive shell session
1786 [19:49:40] <drocsid> I see the job launch: Feb 2 10:47:01 kallisti CRON[17591]: (drocsid) CMD (/home/drocsid/code/EMR/create-cluster/create_cluster.sh) . Yes your mail check worked...
1787 [19:50:22] <greycat> Don't know what to tell you, then. set -x writes to stderr by default. You didn't do >/dev/null 2>&1 in the crontab line, did you?
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1789 [19:50:48] <drocsid> No the CMD is the crontab line
1790 [19:50:50] <greycat> Or some "exec >... 2>&1" line inside the script?
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1793 [19:52:44] <drocsid> Nothing like that. First few lines are like #!/bin/bash; echo "START SCRIPT"; export SOME_ENV='some-string' ...
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1797 [19:55:01] <drocsid> when I run it as my user just prints out things expect in the console. I removed set -x just in case there was an issue
1798 [19:55:33] <greycat> any other voodoo in the crontab file? I think you can change the disposition of email there.
1799 [19:56:42] <drocsid> nothing special there that I can tell. Just the schedule and the command. I see it in the log like I showed above...
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1801 [19:57:13] <greycat> crontab(5) says it's "MAILTO=..." which can be empty to suppress all email.
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1804 [19:59:35] <drocsid> is MAILTO set in the crontab?
1805 [19:59:42] <greycat> that's what I'm asking you
1806 [20:00:29] <drocsid> No it's not set. I will try setting it via crontab -e...
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1808 [20:01:16] <megaTherion> can I mark wifi devices in /etc/net/interfaces as optional (that is telling systemd not to wait on those devices, if they arent plugged in)?
1809 [20:01:53] <somiaj> what do you mean by not pluged in with a wifi device?
1810 [20:02:00] <megaTherion> I've wifi usb sticks
1811 [20:02:07] <megaTherion> if its not plugged in, there is no sense to wait for it
1812 [20:02:42] <somiaj> megaTherion: systemd has little to do with the /etc/network/interfaces file, except running the command ifup --allow auto at the boot which will try to bring up all interfaces you have setup with an 'auto interface' line
1813 [20:02:43] <drocsid> I set MAILTO but still don't see it launch
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1815 [20:02:57] <megaTherion> somiaj: oh ok
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1817 [20:03:04] <somiaj> megaTherion: so provided you don't hvae the interfaces marked as auto, the interfaces file won't triger them being brought up at boot.
1818 [20:03:27] <drocsid> I think I did a package upgrade yesterday. It seems silly but I'm going to restart my machine and see if it has any effect.. :/
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1820 [20:04:35] <megaTherion> somiaj: it can bringt them up at boot, provided they are plugged in
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1823 [20:07:05] <megaTherion> somiaj: its just systemd which is saying it waits for network devices with an timeout of like 1m 30s or so
1824 [20:07:09] <megaTherion> its a bit too much for my taste
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1827 [20:10:43] <somiaj> megaTherion: you might need to use another network configuration that can be more flexiable.
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1829 [20:10:56] <megaTherion> pff
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1831 [20:11:36] <megaTherion> somiaj: I'd use NetworkManager, but then I've to login or I wont get any wifi connectivity up and running
1832 [20:11:40] <megaTherion> so thats not going to serve me either
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1845 [20:15:32] <somiaj> megaTherion: I'm unsure if allow-hotplug is enough in the interfaces file to get what you need. You could also write a udev rule that brings up the interface when you plug it in.
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1847 [20:16:13] <somiaj> megaTherion: and yes, systemd will wait for the ifup --allow auto command to complete. Systemd has its own network control tool networkd that might be better for your puroses.
1848 [20:16:44] <megaTherion> oh ok
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1851 [20:17:27] <somiaj> I also think via the network manager cli interface, you can set it up so so interfaces are bought up without logging in and needing a desktop to configure. But I don' tknow network-mangaers configuration.
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1853 [20:17:41] <somiaj> overall it just sounds like what you want cannot be fully provided by the interfaces file.
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1865 [20:19:57] <drocsid> I added output redirection at the end of the script command and see it write the echo line. Then the cron mail system or my mail must be misconfigured or broken. Still not sure why the script doesn't seem to do anything else...
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1873 [20:21:16] <drocsid> Also not sure why the set -x stuff doesn't show up but it does from my shell
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1882 [20:25:04] <jelly> drocsid: does a cron job with a simple echo "stuff" result in a mail message sent?
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1890 [20:26:58] <drocsid> #!/bin/bash echo "hello world"
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1893 [20:27:30] <jelly> no
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1895 [20:27:41] <jelly> just * * * * * echo "hello world"
1896 [20:27:46] <drocsid> ok
1897 [20:28:03] <RoyK> make sure the smtp server works, though
1898 [20:28:14] <greycat> SMTP shouldn't be involved, hopefully.
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1901 [20:28:31] <jelly> they confirmed mailx worked from an interactive shell.
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1904 [20:29:10] <jelly> so delivery works somewhat
1905 [20:29:19] <drocsid> Yes actually that did work
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1907 [20:29:41] <jelly> drocsid: pastebin your user's whole "crontab -l", then
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1910 [20:31:21] <teatime> megaTherion / somiaj : "system connections", which can be added/edited by users in the netdev group, and also a normal per-user level connection can be promoted to being a system connection by checking the "system connection" checkbox, will be brought up before login
1911 [20:31:31] <teatime> (re: networkmanager)
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1914 [20:31:59] <teatime> and yes you can do it with nmtui (curses, similar to gui tool layout) or nmcli
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1917 [20:32:28] <drocsid> replaced-url
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1920 [20:34:45] <jelly> drocsid: which editor are you using when you "crontab -e"?
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1928 [20:36:55] <drocsid> vim
1929 [20:37:06] <jelly> eh, replaced-url
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1931 [20:37:45] <drocsid> the crontab should be installing properly. As above we see the CMD in the log...
1932 [20:38:00] <drocsid> Also the "hello world" mail was sent.
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1934 [20:38:37] <jelly> drocsid: the CMD above does not match any of your current job definitions though
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1936 [20:38:41] <jelly> <drocsid> I see the job launch: Feb 2 10:47:01 kallisti CRON[17591]: (drocsid) CMD (/home/drocsid/code/EMR/create-cluster/create_cluster.sh) . Yes your mail check worked...
1937 [20:39:05] <jelly> you have one starting with bash ... and one with redirection. this ^^ matches neither
1938 [20:39:53] <drocsid> hi yes I added the redirection line after that...
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1940 [20:40:25] <drocsid> because I wasn't getting a mail message
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1944 [20:41:50] <jelly> I wonder... go remove the redirection now, but leave that last echo job definition in place
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1948 [20:42:27] <jelly> vim should not be able to create a line without \n at the end
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1951 [20:44:07] <somiaj> jelly: even if it is the last line of a file and the user didn't hit enter?
1952 [20:44:23] <greycat> yes, vim normally adds \n even if the original input file lacked it
1953 [20:45:02] <greycat> as long as you do a :w or whatever, to write the file back to disk
1954 [20:45:04] <somiaj> does it rember this, because next time you load the file with vim the newline isn't added.
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1958 [20:45:22] <greycat> what are you doing to test this?
1959 [20:45:55] <jelly> vim is sane that way unlike some other editors
1960 [20:46:00] <somiaj> I'm using vim, and using :w to write it, next time I load the file in vim, If I don't put a newline character at the last line, it isn't there when in vim (for woulnd't I see a new line if I did)
1961 [20:46:36] <somiaj> or wonder if this is a \n vs \r? Just trying to better understand.
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1963 [20:46:39] <greycat> somiaj: in my test, I did printf foo > bar; vim bar; and I wrote the file and exited, and the file was now 4 bytes long. Then vim bar; again, and there was no indication of [noeol].
1964 [20:47:04] <greycat> somiaj: also, I have "set notextauto" and other things in ~/.vimrc
1965 [20:47:26] <jelly> "bar" [noeol] 1L, 3C 1,1 All
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1967 [20:47:35] <jelly> huh, so that's what it looks like
1968 [20:47:53] <greycat> anyway, this is a tangent, with the original intent being to make sure drocsid's crontab ends with newline, or at least that the line we *care* about isn't last, so therefore it ends with \n
1969 [20:48:02] <somiaj> yea, I think my issue is how to test the resulting file for a new line or not...
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1978 [20:50:41] <somiaj> yea, I see the newline now, and think I see how vim ignores the last newline on files when displaying them (so it keeps it a hidden caracter of some sorts)
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1981 [20:51:45] <greycat> vim "displays" the newline by not starting the tildes on the same line, but rather on the next line down
1982 [20:52:05] <somiaj> ahh.
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2009 [21:20:58] <jpw> so i was wondering today about enterprise-y package management solutions for debian. on the EL side of things we have satellite/spacewalk. i'm wondering if any equivilent projects exist for debian based systems.
2010 [21:21:34] <DanteD> I've been using debian on desktops and now I'm trying Debian on a server, but it didn't start good. The first service I tried installing (inadyn) fails to start with the init script but works fine when I run it from command line. All my attemps to debug the init script failure have failed. It just says start(exited) and inadyn failed! with 'systemctl status inadyn'. Any ideas?
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2012 [21:22:40] <DanteD> On Gentoo server there was no package for this program so I made my own init script which worked better than this
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2015 [21:26:14] <drocsid> I believe I can see the vim whitespace characters with set list. I see the $ character at the end of each line which I believe represents the newline....
2016 [21:26:25] <greycat> correct
2017 [21:26:36] <drocsid> I think if the crontab was bad I wouldn't see the CMD log...
2018 [21:27:13] <misty5> Okay, "directory service", I can buy that. But why "directory INFORMATION service"? What else would such a directory service serve, food?
2019 [21:27:22] <greycat> OK, long shots here. "Are you editing the right file?" "Are you editing the file on the right computer?"
2020 [21:27:57] <greycat> misty5: hookers and blackjack
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2024 [21:30:33] <karlpinc> Any hardware recommendations for what amounts to a little NAS with Debian pre-installed. I want to be able to rsync to it. And I want either at least 2TB of spinning disk or a E-SATA or USB3 port I can use to attach an external drive. (I'm suspicious of SSD in the event of power loss.) It needs to be able to reboot after power is recovered, without keyboard, monitor, etc.
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2026 [21:32:28] <karlpinc> Fanless would be very nice.
2027 [21:32:38] <nkuttler> debian preinstalled?
2028 [21:32:55] <karlpinc> nkuttler: That'd be best. If I can't find anything then....
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2030 [21:35:08] <karlpinc> And there's always the hidden bomb of proprietary drivers -- that are no longer supported after a kernel upgrade or something.
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2035 [21:37:33] <phantomcircuit> is there a special way to install from netinst without xorg?
2036 [21:37:47] <greycat> just un-check the Debian desktop stuff at the end
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2040 [21:38:56] <phantomcircuit> greycat, k
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2054 [21:49:23] <DanteD> And the problem was that /var/run/inadyn/ was owned by root and not by 'debian-inadyn' user. Should I report bug like this somewhere (this on on stretch) ?
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2092 [22:24:55] <dracc> How do I select what LLVM-version to use when building mesa? I have llvm-7 installed but get the message "configure: error: LLVM 3.9.0 or newer is required for radeonsi"
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2109 [22:45:24] <chookie_> Hello everyone, our team has just finished working on our AlphaBay market clone, and it's now up and live!
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2111 [22:45:56] <chookie_> We hope to get the market populated quickly, so please spread the link to your friends/favorite vendors
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2113 [22:46:09] <chookie_> Feel free to check us out, thanks everyone! :)
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2132 [22:54:29] <qifan> Q: whats the real path for quake files , i downloaded, quake, i searched quake data i have game-data-packager
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2134 [22:54:40] <qifan> but game dont run i also have pak0
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2136 [22:54:43] <qifan> for multiplayer
2137 [22:55:02] <qifan> but i dont know the real path for the file pak0
2138 [22:55:06] <qifan> and maps
2139 [22:55:06] <qifan> :D
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2141 [22:56:37] <qifan> game-data-packager is already the newest version (49.1). && bash: game-data-packager: comando não encontrado
2142 [22:56:49] <qifan> Command not found
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2144 [22:57:43] <greycat> use "dpkg -L pkgname" to see what files came from the package
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2146 [22:58:04] <greycat> possibly use "dpkg -L pkgname | grep /bin" to see what programs came from the package, although programs could be installed somewhere else...
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2148 [22:58:41] <greycat> hmm, actually make that "grep /bin/" to be sure
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2151 [23:03:03] <awal1> according to debian wiki, when you run "game-data-packager" you get a list of supported games (games that can be built)
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2153 [23:03:18] <greycat> ,file bin/game-data-packager
2154 [23:03:22] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
2155 [23:03:48] <awal1> replaced-url
2156 [23:04:04] <greycat> there's no "bin" at replaced-url
2157 [23:04:42] <qifan> :(
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2160 [23:08:17] <qifan> i have them all
2161 [23:09:04] <greycat> Just sayin', there is no obvious *program* included in that package. Nor did I see any instructions for how to use it, on replaced-url
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2164 [23:09:29] <greycat> You could look in /usr/share/doc/game-data-packager/ and see if there are instructions there.
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2176 [23:14:55] <TomTomTosch> there is this binary: /usr/games/game-data-packager
2177 [23:16:00] <greycat> *facepalm*
2178 [23:16:10] <greycat> OK. Totally forgot about /usr/games/.
2179 [23:16:44] <talin> hello. i followed the instructions at debian.org to upgrade to buster. basically changed from jessie to buster in sources.list and ran apt update && apt upgrade. it seems to work fairly well, but there are some packages that i can't find when i search with apt search... anything else i should do?
2180 [23:16:57] <greycat> you can't go from jessie to buster. you have to do it in steps.
2181 [23:17:07] <greycat> maybe you got lucky!
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2183 [23:17:45] <greycat> You also know that "apt upgrade" did NOT complete the dist-upgrade, right?
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2185 [23:19:20] <dracc> Any tips on how to install just one package (with recommends) from another dist (rc-buggy instead of testing)?
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2188 [23:20:22] <dracc> I want the latest mesa, but don't want to upgrade all other packages to rc-buggy as seems to be the default behaviour when adding a later dist to sources.list.d
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2190 [23:21:03] <karlpinc> dracc: You don't want to install a package from a later dist, best way is to backport it.
2191 [23:21:22] <karlpinc> !tell dracc about backports
2192 [23:21:35] <karlpinc> !tell dracc about ssb
2193 [23:21:40] <phantomcircuit> so i've installed onto an msata on a device which has a serial console at /dev/ttyS0 and attempted to configure getty with systemctl
2194 [23:21:45] <greycat> !rc-buggy
2195 [23:21:45] <dpkg> methinks rc-buggy is a codename for the <experimental> distribution.
2196 [23:21:57] <phantomcircuit> but the last output i get is "loading initial ramdisk..." and then nothing
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2198 [23:22:35] <dracc> karlpinc, Oh, thanks.
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2200 [23:22:54] <dracc> !tell dracc about uupdate
2201 [23:23:04] <phantomcircuit> i've also tried to get ssh working but it's not getting an ip via dhcp
2202 [23:23:12] <jpw> ,systemd
2203 [23:23:25] <jpw> wc
2204 [23:23:46] <phantomcircuit> presumably because the network interface name is different from the one configured on /etc/network/interfaces ?
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2207 [23:26:44] <phantomcircuit> i've no idea why the serial console isn't working though
2208 [23:28:59] <dracc> !tell dracc package recompile
2209 [23:29:10] <dracc> !tell dracc <package recompile>
2210 [23:29:27] <dracc> !tell dracc package_recompile
2211 [23:29:34] <dracc> !tell dracc package-recompile
2212 [23:29:39] <dracc> !tell dracc package recompile
2213 [23:29:49] <booyah> !tell dracc "package recompile"
2214 [23:29:53] <dracc> !tell dracc about package recompile
2215 [23:29:56] <booyah> !tell dracc recompile
2216 [23:30:00] <dracc> forgot
2217 [23:30:04] <booyah> yeap. we can't figure out that one
2218 [23:30:04] <dracc> forgot 'about' :D
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2220 [23:30:25] <booyah> dpkg: recompile
2221 [23:30:25] <dpkg> well, recompile is Why have the source available for a kernel if your not going to use it? Dont fear the code, fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to The Dark side (aka windows)
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2224 [23:32:59] <dracc> And now it worked to build the same exact file. fml.
2225 [23:33:06] <dracc> Thanks for all the help karlpinc !
2226 [23:33:45] <dracc> Do I need to go through the same procedure for all the mesa-related packages I want installed?
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2230 [23:39:11] <talin> hello. i followed the instructions at debian.org to upgrade to buster. basically changed from stretch to buster in sources.list and ran apt update && apt upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. it seems to work fairly well, but there are some packages that i can't find when i search with apt search... anything else i should do?
2231 [23:40:16] <TomTomTosch> phantomcircuit: try adding console=ttyS0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub. i can't remember if i did that or enable the systemd getty service or both to get it to work for me.
2232 [23:40:45] <phantomcircuit> TomTomTosch, i did that, which is why i can see the kernel booting
2233 [23:41:04] <phantomcircuit> but when it loads the initial ramdisk it appears to ignore that
2234 [23:41:36] <annadane> talin, well, which packages
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2236 [23:43:57] <talin> annadane: i do apt search kivy and it finds nothing
2237 [23:44:14] <annadane> ,v kivy
2238 [23:44:15] <judd> No package named 'kivy' was found in amd64.
2239 [23:44:21] <annadane> well, that'd be why
2240 [23:44:33] <talin> huh? that's strange, someone here yesterday told me it's there
2241 [23:45:02] <annadane> there's python-kivy and python3-kivy
2242 [23:45:08] <annadane> also take a look at replaced-url
2243 [23:45:10] <talin> but apt searhc should find those?
2244 [23:45:23] <annadane> and also replaced-url
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2246 [23:45:38] <annadane> well, right, i did apt search kivy and came up with those
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2249 [23:46:13] <TomTomTosch> phantomcircuit: that's my config: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
2250 [23:46:28] <talin> annadane: here nothing shows up
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2252 [23:46:49] <annadane> talin, post your sources list, paste.debian.net
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2254 [23:46:52] <talin> annadane: if i do apt search emacs, for example, a bunch of stuff shows up
2255 [23:47:14] <annadane> ,v python-kivy
2256 [23:47:15] <judd> Package: python-kivy on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.0+dfsg-2.1; stretch: 1.9.1-1; sid: 1.9.1-1+b1
2257 [23:47:19] <annadane> ah that's why, i'm on sid
2258 [23:47:23] <annadane> so it shows up for me
2259 [23:47:38] <talin> annadane: replaced-url
2260 [23:47:56] <talin> annadane: hm, so it's not in buster? i thought upgrading to testing would generally provide me with more/newer packages
2261 [23:48:19] <annadane> some packages aren't in testing because they don't meet certain criteria or other reasons
2262 [23:48:24] <annadane> !why isn't python-kivy in testing
2263 [23:48:24] <dpkg> python-kivy is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
2264 [23:48:44] <annadane> note the "news" section, most recent item, "removed from testing"
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2266 [23:49:09] <annadane> and specifically bug 873501
2267 [23:49:18] <annadane> bug #873501
2268 [23:49:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2269 [23:50:01] <annadane> it appears that it failed a reproducible package test
2270 [23:50:19] <talin> annadane: that's very specific, thanks a lot!
2271 [23:50:26] <talin> so my distro might not be broken after all
2272 [23:50:46] <talin> yesterday someone in here shouted at me, that i'd destroyed my distro etc
2273 [23:53:28] <annadane> talin, but to avoid confusion in future perhaps search packages via packages.debian.org
2274 [23:53:40] <annadane> apt search only uses your current sources list
2275 [23:53:53] <annadane> and check the tracker for news related items like that
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2278 [23:54:30] <talin> annadane: that's very useful, thanks a lot. i didn't know this tracker even existed
2279 [23:54:45] <annadane> also useful: replaced-url
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2281 [23:55:52] <talin> nice!
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