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7[00:04:52] <dott> Hi, i got a problem with my network interfaces that i cant figure out. The mac adress keeps changing after every reboot and sleep to a random adress. Macchanger is disabled in if-pre-up. Does anyone has an idea what could be the cause of this?
50[00:26:23] <impermanence> Let's say I have an instance of some web server running on debian. Does anyone know of a way that I could install, without running, a fresh instance of this service somewhere else? I'd like to be able to compare the old instance and any changes that have been made to a fresh install.
51[00:26:59] <impermanence> I'd like to be able to compare what the running instances directory structure looks like, its files, etc. with an untouched instance.
52[00:27:20] <omniuwo> dott: have you tried 'sudo grep -r macchange /etc' ?
101[01:07:23] <SKiTZO> I am making my first .deb package for my software. I am strugling with how to arrive at a sane list of dependencies
102[01:08:04] <dth3kid> anyone have great success running debian on a mac mini? I know it should run, just wondering if there are any pitfalls I should be aware of.
103[01:08:05] <SKiTZO> I have used the output of objdump to figure out what libs are referenced from my executable, but how do I translate that into actual package names without manually going over each and every one? The list is substantial
117[01:21:23] <SKiTZO> any shortcuts or tips? any dependencies I don't need to mention because they are part of base install?
118[01:22:07] <aypea[3]> SKiTZO: maybe. it may not be the best soltuion but it's one I know of. a for loop (or a while loop) will save you a lot of hassle.
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120[01:22:17] <aypea[3]> anything marked essential doesn't need to go in afaik
152[02:12:25] <iresf> hi everyone i need your help
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154[02:13:26] <mutante> !ask
155[02:13:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
156[02:14:25] <iresf> i have installed debian 9 on my laptop with radeon R5 graphic card and with KDE desktop but kwin_x11 use 100 % cpu
259[02:40:43] <geri> mutante: ok delted some stuff
260[02:41:22] <geri> what is udev and tmpfs?
261[02:41:38] <geri> mounted to /dev and /run
262[02:41:52] <somiaj> tmpfs is a file system in your memory, inteneded to be a tempary file system
263[02:42:15] <somiaj> udev is the (now systemd) tool that dynamically adds and removes devices and their nodes from /dev
264[02:42:18] <geri> to share memory accross apps?
265[02:42:23] <somiaj> no, for speed
266[02:42:53] <somiaj> it is a file system just like any other, but it intended for files that only need to be around while the system is running, once you shut the systemdown all data in a tmpfs file system is lost.
267[02:42:55] <geri> like a filesystem but just for apps
268[02:43:24] <Sveta> hi! i have problems with a website. its cgi script runs into permissions issues creating a file. yet `sudo su -c 'touch /path/to/the/file' replaced-url
269[02:43:25] <geri> stack or heap?
270[02:43:59] <somiaj> Sveta: sudo su -s /bin/bash -- replaced-url
287[02:50:26] <Wammy> Hope I can get some help, I've been searching for some time and I haven't found anything concrete. I just 'apt-get dist-upgrade'd on one of my servers and grub started complaining: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: warning: the device.map entry `hd0,msdos1' is invalid. Ignoring it. Please correct or delete your device.map.
288[02:51:07] <Wammy> device.map has two entries, the one it says is invalid is: (hd0,msdos1) /dev/mapper/vda1
289[02:51:16] <Wammy> checked the path and it doesnt exist /dev/mapper/vda1
307[02:56:43] <Wammy> only stuff that comes up is from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
308[02:56:54] <aypea[3]> nothing in /etc ?
309[02:57:06] <Sveta> somiaj: set the 'group' permission but on all these folders to 'replaced-url
310[02:57:28] <Wammy> I just tried dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (basically just went through it) and I am getting this:
311[02:57:39] <Wammy> aypea[3]: nope
312[02:57:54] <Wammy> grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding. grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
313[02:58:15] <aypea[3]> you're using ext2?
314[02:58:26] <Wammy> not as far as I know
315[02:58:47] <somiaj> Sveta: I don't quite follow what your actual isue is. Could it be the lockfile is a deadlink or something?
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318[02:59:06] <aypea[3]> wammy: do a file -Ls on the device that holds /bopot
319[02:59:06] <Sveta> somiaj: the website is trying to create the lockfile
320[02:59:09] <aypea[3]> wammy: do a file -Ls on the device that holds /boot
321[02:59:58] <Wammy> as in file -Ls /dev/sda ?
322[02:59:59] <Sveta> somiaj: for some god knows what reason the site install instructions suggested installing its settings in ~, so now I am tasked with setting up adequate permissions for the webserver to be able to write into that directory
323[03:00:00] <somiaj> Sveta: well the information you showed, the only user who can write to that directory is sveta, if some other use is trying to write it won't work. Seeting the group to replaced-url
374[03:10:35] <Wammy> should there be a grub-2common?
375[03:10:42] <somiaj> have you checked that your lvm is correctly setup, it is actilng like there hsould be another memeober of your lvm -- but I don't know lvms that well, just seems you are looking at grub more than the lvm (or did I totally miss something)?
379[03:11:33] <Wammy> somiaj: that might be possible, but I've no clue how to check?
380[03:11:52] <somiaj> Wammy: I don't use lvm, so I have no experience with it. I just use plain old partition tables.
381[03:12:13] <somiaj> but it seems the issue is more with your lvm than grub, grub is just complaing about it. Now I don't know what the actual issue is though.
382[03:12:50] <Wammy> how would I verify if this has LVM?
392[03:15:28] <aypea[3]> dunno. kinda at a loss. only thing I can really think of is that result from file on /dev/sda1 should not be the same as for /dev/sda
411[03:20:23] <somiaj> Wammy: I'm just catching up on what you have done, sorry if this is repeate. When you did dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, what did you choose as the device to isntall grub on?
412[03:20:35] <Wammy> I left what was selected before
413[03:20:46] <Wammy> ./dev/sda and /dev/sda1
414[03:21:44] <somiaj> the first is usually where you want to install grub.
415[03:21:53] <Wammy> yup.
416[03:22:12] <Wammy> I understand that. just wanted to see if that re-configured whatever is off
417[03:22:22] <somiaj> I do have the random thought of using something like this replaced-url
418[03:22:23] <Wammy> I can go through again and just select /dev/sda
424[03:26:40] <somiaj> You should be able to just run 'grub-install /dev/sda' and not need to have debconf do that. And after you ran update-grub that last time you are still getting this partition (hd0,msdos1), despite it not being in device.map anymore?
425[03:27:49] <Wammy> would I still need to restore the windows mbr before running grub-install again?
426[03:28:18] <Wammy> just tried, grub-install... update-grub, grub.cfg still has set root (hd0,msdos1)
427[03:28:37] <Wammy> I can try with install-mbr first if you think that'll give a different result
428[03:29:03] <aypea[3]> when you ran grub-install, what arg did you give it?
429[03:29:16] <Wammy> grub-install /dev/sda
430[03:29:30] <aypea[3]> cos I just realised that means first hardrive, first msdos partition, which is correct for you
431[03:29:40] <Wammy> ok
432[03:29:46] <Wammy> grub-emu fails to 'boot'
433[03:29:49] <Wammy> :-/
434[03:29:53] <Wammy> or is my device map incorrect?
435[03:29:55] <somiaj> Wammy: the mbr thing will only fix any issues with 'grub-install /dev/sda', as to why you have this extra device, that is another issue.
436[03:30:23] <somiaj> s/will/could/
437[03:30:46] <Wammy> grub-mkdevicemap only creates 1 device (hd0)
438[03:31:22] <Wammy> which is mapped to /dev/disk/by-id/.....
439[03:31:36] <aypea[3]> yup. but (hd0,msdos1) is a partition not a device specification
440[03:31:50] <Wammy> ok
441[03:32:25] <somiaj> and provided your device.map has (hd0) correctly in it, it means that (hd0,msdos1) is the first partition, so if the device map points to /dev/sda, then /dev/sda1 is (hd0,msdos1)
461[03:40:02] <Wammy> somiaj: looks like it came back online....
462[03:40:59] <somiaj> well that is a good sign
463[03:41:18] <aypea[3]> things returning from the great beyond is a good thing :)
464[03:42:21] <Wammy> thanks for the help guys
465[03:42:26] <Wammy> much appreciated
466[03:43:13] <Sveta> i'd like all files within a particular directory to belong to a particular group, and be writable (and directories executable) by that group. how is this achieved best?
480[03:52:17] <somiaj> Sveta: this is a much more difficult problem (since there are lots of ways files can be created), but setting up a umask and setgid bit will help with this. umaks of 002 will make all files 775 by default, and the setgid bit will make newly created files adopt the group of the directory.
554[04:45:59] <hidari> awal1: read the process of the script. After reading DigitalOcean site, looking at the code in that script helped me understand the rest of it.
555[04:46:11] <hidari> seeing the code at times is easier to understand
573[05:12:05] <vahe> good day, how to connect USB to Android galaxy MTP? I installed libmtp* mtp-tools jmtpfs mtpfs the system displays the phone but doesn't work (xfce thunar)
597[05:35:45] <awal1> then my phone gets connected via usb cable and automatically detected by my file manager (pcmanfc or thunar)
598[05:35:53] <vahe> awal1: thank you very much, I'll try
599[05:36:04] <somiaj> I personally use adb to get files on/off my andriod. I find it much faster than MTP
600[05:36:25] <vahe> adb?
601[05:37:01] <vahe> awal1: what do you say about the other problems?
602[05:37:06] <vahe> execute
603[05:37:11] <awal1> vale, check if gMTP if you wanta gui for mtp transfer stuff
604[05:37:15] <somiaj> andriod debug bridge. You need to turn on developer mode, but it gives you direct access to the files on the device (well ones you can access without root), and you can transfer at full usb speeds. I find mtp dreadfully slow.
605[05:38:03] <vahe> somiaj: ok thanks also try
606[05:38:19] <somiaj> but works you can basicaly adb pull and adb push to get files on and off (you do have to learn the directory stucture of your device though)
608[05:38:50] <awal1> vahe, not sure about your other issues. I am not a phone/pictures7facebook stuff oriented. I just use my phone for call, almost :D
609[05:39:25] <awal1> sometimes make pictures/videos so I transfer to my debian system; that is all :P
610[05:40:24] <vahe> to be honest I have my phone N900 it's for free, I download movies from torrents and watch movies ) does not connect even wiifi
611[05:41:54] <vahe> I think the phone not only for calls, you can use it for other purposes, it is important what kind of phone, for example my N900 I use pidgin+otr + firefox
612[05:41:57] <vahe> :P
613[05:42:33] <awal1> not aware about phone stuff not bcoz I am not up-to-date with new technologies, I am surely; but that is just bcoz I am not in/on/ don't wanna be part of "life mediatization" business
614[05:42:42] <vahe> I repeat, what could help me, can't run from home-icecat for example , shows that there is no execute replaced-url
620[05:44:08] <awal1> vahe, your goal is: connect your phone device to you debian machine via usb cable and transfer stuff from phone to computer and vice versa?
621[05:44:26] <awal1> not sure if that is what you want finally
622[05:45:12] <vahe> it is clear , I'm more interested in the startup problem icecat
623[05:45:16] <vahe> execute
624[05:46:07] <awal1> me have to google what the guy means by startup execute icecat
625[05:46:48] <vahe> this is just an example.
626[05:47:06] <vahe> I have not start nothing if necessary execute
653[06:01:06] <vahe> hah, just deleted libmtp*and reinstalled gvfs-backends and it worked
654[06:01:29] <vahe> thank you all
655[06:02:56] <awal1> !next
656[06:02:57] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
657[06:04:48] <somiaj> awal1: you could do stuff like that, but be careful. I tend to only use it to copy pictures from my phone, and on my system it is way faster than MTP. So I don't actually mess with the files on the phone exceput throught he phones interface.
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674[06:14:05] <awal1> somiaj, I know one can enabled root access for android device, then remove stuff like under gnu/linux machine, but I haven't checked seriously that yet; so not sure about details
757[07:40:11] <likcoras> I'm wondering whether I should go through the process of installing go1.9 manually or whether I should just wait for it to make it into backports.
812[08:30:24] <n_blownapart> hello I get a message '/dev/sr0 is already mounted on /media/current_dvd. my vlc player will flash a movie title but then shut off. how to be sure the drive is mounted properly on debian stretch? thanks
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888[09:42:05] <misty5> pinging my server yields ping response.. but just nmapping it says "not responding to pings.. host down". That makes no sense. Any idea what's going on here?
972[10:50:29] <phre4k> it's sadly only in oldstable
973[10:50:56] <petn-randall> phre4k: Oh, php5 is not available in stretch, yes. You'll have to install jessie if you want php5. jessie is still supported.
978[10:51:55] <petn-randall> phre4k: One other way would be to do a local install by hand.
979[10:52:08] <phre4k> petn-randall: 3rd party repos was what I hoped for :'D
980[10:52:42] <toolz> hi, I am trying to install debian 9 latest on 2 ssds, raid software, sdi/sdj, I am creating the raid device md0 and then I created lvm, one volume group and 2 lvms, for root / mounted and swap, the installation fails when I try to install grub on the first disk or when entering manually /dev/vg0/root or anything else
981[10:53:08] <petn-randall> !deb.sury.org
982[10:53:08] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
983[10:53:24] <petn-randall> phre4k: ^^^ I believe this is an unofficial repo by the PHP maintainer of Debian.
984[10:53:57] <petn-randall> toolz: Does the system have BIOS or UEFI?
985[10:54:00] <phre4k> the question is: do I trust him
986[10:54:20] <phre4k> er, I mean, is it really him
987[10:54:48] <toolz> petn-randall: both but we use bios
988[10:54:57] <phre4k> I think jessie is the sane option here, this will be a production server
989[10:54:59] <petn-randall> phre4k: You *could* check if the apt key is cross-signed by his DD key.
990[10:55:37] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't recommend 3rd party repos either
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992[10:56:14] <petn-randall> !jessie-lts
993[10:56:14] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "jessie" from the Debian Security Team should end around 2018-05. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
994[10:56:33] <pingfloyd> phre4k: do you know his fingerprint?
995[10:56:52] <petn-randall> phre4k: LTS for jessie should still be around a bit. ^^^ Enough time to upgrade your apps to php7 and move to stretch or buster by then.
1007[11:02:35] <petn-randall> toolz: Have you partitioned the disks or did you create a RAID directly on the blank disks?
1008[11:02:56] <toolz> petn-randall: raid directly on the disks
1009[11:03:41] <petn-randall> toolz: Ah, then grub has no space to write itself in the MBR. You need to partition those devices so grub can write itself onto the beginning.
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1011[11:03:52] <toolz> ok, got it, trying now
1012[11:04:06] <babilen> phre4k: My recommendation would be to use jessie while you work on getting the codebase in shape for PHP7. We've seen significant increases in performance after the transition in most deployments, so you might want to do that sooner rather than later
1013[11:05:31] <phre4k> babilen: well I'm surely not going to get the codebase of Magento to PHP7
1014[11:05:55] <babilen> They should in that case
1015[11:06:11] <babilen> Staying on PHP5 isn't really a viable plan
1032[11:17:31] <petn-randall> toolz: You need to wipe the old mdraid signatures from the disk, otherwise you've got a mess when the partitions and raid elements overlap.
1055[11:35:40] <vlt> Hello. What possible reasons are there that since a few minutes I can't connect from any machine in network A to host B (Debian) in another network but still from A to any host C that I tried (and even to a host in the same network as B) and from there to host B? I tried SSH, HTTP and ICMP. The latter gave me this strange response pattern: replaced-url
1058[11:36:27] <toolz> petn-randall: its weird, it is still not working.. I mean I cannot even create more partitions, for example md0p1 md0p2, if I want, it just created one device md0 with one partiotion with the entire size, is this normal?
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1091[12:06:11] <toolz> petn-randall: thats what I am doing, I now booted in rescue, wiped the disks and created them as dos, created 2 partitions on them as primary and used as raid, re-created the raid md0 and now waiting till the install goes on so I can see if grub will now install.
1092[12:06:23] <dcpc007> i need to capture the last line (with the total size of the folder)
1093[12:06:44] <toolz> petn-randall: disks were formatted as gpt before, could that affect?
1102[12:09:41] <dcpc007> this return me "spawn ncdu -f ...."
1103[12:09:46] <petn-randall> funabashi: No. What problem are you trying to solve?
1104[12:09:55] <dcpc007> the text as if it doesn't execute the line
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1106[12:10:18] <toolz> petn-randall: just asking, when the grub asks me to install on a hard disk, should I choose the first disk or should I enter /dev/pve/root manually? to install it on the raid device?
1107[12:10:20] <funabashi> pentiumone133: i want to see what acitivty a user has on my server
1108[12:10:44] <toolz> petn-randall: on the raid device I created 1 vg and 2lvms for root and swap.
1109[12:11:19] <funabashi> petn-randall: he did history -c so i cant see now :P
1111[12:12:56] <petn-randall> toolz: You want to install grub on the disks. It doesn't make sense to install to the raid device because your bios knows nothing about it to hand off booting to.
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1113[12:13:13] <petn-randall> funabashi: If you don't trust them, don't let them on your server.
1128[12:16:08] <petn-randall> funabashi: If you want to track users on your system, you need to set up something like selinux or some other tool to report every execution.
1136[12:20:59] <petn-randall> toolz: I haven't installed in a while, but at some point you can select where to install it to, then you just select both disks.
1137[12:21:40] <toolz> petn-randall: you cant select both disks :D it worked on first one, I will install it afterwards from the command line
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1162[12:42:44] <ang310> hi there...one question: to change ls colours I put a theme in .dir_colors and then I have echo 'eval $(dircolors ~/.dir_colors)' >> ~/.bashrc
1196[13:06:27] <fred1807> I just installed avahi daemon, and edited /etc/hostname to the name I want to reach via myhostname.local . Question is, should I edit any line at /etc/hosts? should I change: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost to 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain myhsotname ? I found this on a guide, but I guess I should just leave 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ??
1197[13:06:39] <grandfso> Hi, can I you run seperate web service on multiple subdomains, each subdomain mapped to different IP, from one Server?
1214[13:16:08] <grandfso> I mean not all will have different IP's, I generalized because as of now I have no cloue how to serve anything from another IP :)
1221[13:17:49] <Iridos> grandfso, you would need to set up networking of the machine up to have all those IPs … and that only works if all those IPs are on your subnet
1228[13:19:13] <Iridos> Emil, should be /usr/share/man/man1/find.1.gz
1229[13:19:36] <grandfso> gpunk: I don't use Apache (nor any webserver) as of now. Possibly Iridos' suggestion on networking setup is the way to go ?
1230[13:20:14] <Iridos> it's both… the linke gpunk linkes also says "The server has two IP addresses" for the example with virtualhosts on different ip addresses
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1286[13:58:28] <samkod> is anyone out there having an issue with thunderbird opening links in chromium on stretch? this has been happening now for about 2 months and I can't find anything recent on the net regarding this
1287[13:58:53] <samkod> I've tried purging both chromium and thunderbird, reinstalling and creating new profiles and nothing seems to work
1288[13:58:54] <petn-randall> samkod: What is the issue exactly?
1289[13:59:14] <petn-randall> samkod: It's *not* opening the links, or it's opening them in chromium instead of something else?
1291[14:00:00] <samkod> so when i click a link in thunderbird it never opens it at all. it should open it in chromium. when i run tb from the terminal and click a link i get the the following error:
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1295[14:02:37] <petn-randall> samkod: I'm only aware of such an issue in *testing*, where it's caused by a too strict apparmor profile. There apparmor is enabled by default. Are you using apparmor by chance?
1323[14:17:55] <hwdyki> my monitor would not display anything when it's turned on after the computer boots. the monitor does not sense any HDMI signal coming in.
1324[14:18:26] <hwdyki> how can i avoid this? i'm using this box as a kodibox running deb9.
1328[14:20:31] <toolz> petn-randall: do you have any idea why is the system not partitioning the sizes I want? For example I wanted my swap 32GB and during installation I partitioned lvms as 32768M swap, and the rest as root. But my swap is 30.5G and the rest root
1388[14:57:42] <toolz> this is weird that the system actually showing GiB instead of GB, since the installer configures in MB and GB.. :/
1389[14:58:05] <kidnextdoor> guys whats wrong with my codeblocks in debian
1390[14:58:09] <kidnextdoor> ??
1391[14:58:17] <kidnextdoor> is completely bugged
1392[14:58:25] <petn-randall> !context
1393[14:58:25] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
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1395[14:58:33] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: ^^^
1396[14:58:57] <kidnextdoor> seriously
1397[14:59:01] <kidnextdoor> i need this
1398[14:59:10] <kidnextdoor> change ide?
1399[14:59:11] <toolz> petn-randall: why is the system showing GiB instead of GB?! As it did till now? I have no idea, just asking... might look like a stupid question but.. :)
1400[14:59:31] <kidnextdoor> i like codeblocks dudes, to when some update or something?
1401[14:59:54] <SKiTZO> GiB is the correct name for Gibi bytes, which is equal to 1024^3
1402[15:00:00] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Start by adding context, nobody knows what you're talking about.
1403[15:00:20] <kidnextdoor> codeblocks seems to be the only piece of software completely meesed up in my debian installation
1404[15:00:23] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
1405[15:00:23] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
1406[15:00:26] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: ^^^
1407[15:00:27] <SKiTZO> GB is the correct name for giga bytes wich is equal to 1000^3 bytes
1408[15:00:42] <kidnextdoor> they have version 17, inst stable 17?
1409[15:01:05] <toolz> SKiTZO: I saw what it is, but why are my partitions in GiB and not in GB anymore in debian 9 as they were all the time before? What made this change?
1411[15:01:45] <SKiTZO> Because everyone remotely interrested in computers like GiB better than GB, so everyone is moving towards showing that instead
1412[15:02:15] <SKiTZO> before GiB was invented GB could mean both, creating confusion
1413[15:02:48] <petn-randall> toolz: Most HDD manufacturers use 10^6 for mega-, because then the numbers look bigger. Most programmers think this is stupid and tend to use 2^20 as mega-, however to prevent confusion many HDD-related tools still use the 10^6, though it doesn't really help.
1414[15:03:15] <SKiTZO> GiB was invented by EEE. It is a standard that is slowly but steadily being adopted
1416[15:03:33] <toolz> I see, whatever, I dont mind :)
1417[15:04:04] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: You're still failing at describing your problem. What problem are you seeing with codeblocks from Debian stable?
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1419[15:05:08] <kidnextdoor> sometimes, when opening a file or project inside codeblocks, the entire file system disapears i cant select files neither see folders, other times i create a new file and i cant type, its blank, cant select nothing inside it
1425[15:05:56] <kidnextdoor> the second time i close a project inside codeblocks, the entire program closes, not only the project
1426[15:06:15] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy codeblocks' to replaced-url
1427[15:06:42] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Also, please run the program from the commandline, get it to crash, and paste all the output to that paste site, too.
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1429[15:07:19] <kidnextdoor> oh man, this was not what i came here to do
1430[15:07:45] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Well, if you didn't come here for help, you joined the wrong channel.
1431[15:07:52] <kidnextdoor> is this those kinda of licenses you must help by force?
1468[15:43:50] <JohnnyTheSmith> 3:42:23 PM - JohnnyTheSmith: Okay I try some details although you guys don't wanna help in the first place. Using a yubikey I log in to my session 2fa. I did this using with the yubikey library and pamd. Now I want my session to lock every time I remove the yubikey. Writing a rule 85.yubikey.rules with the following content: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="remove", ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}="1050", ENV{ID_MODEL_ID}="0407", ENV{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}="omitted", RUN+
1469[15:43:50] <JohnnyTheSmith> /tmp/test". Triggering this
1470[15:43:50] <JohnnyTheSmith> 3:42:23 PM - JohnnyTheSmith: command in root context results in a test getting written to /tmp/test (following with tail -f) but removing the yubikey doesn't write anything into the file. Testing with udevadm test --action=remove /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1 results in (just an exerpt): RUN 'echo test >> /tmp/test' /etc/udev […] so actually it should execute but it doesn't
1472[15:44:07] <JohnnyTheSmith> ignore the first sentence. just a paste from another channel
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1474[15:44:44] <petn-randall> !crosspost
1475[15:44:44] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
1477[15:45:22] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: You might want to wait a bit before others respond in the other channel, otherwise you'll have a mess when both channels try to support you with your problem but have different approaches.
1492[15:51:36] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: In that case it's offtopic in here, because Kali does things differently than Debian does. You might also tell them that they should support their own users instead of sending them away.
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1494[15:51:40] <JohnnyTheSmith> And they tell me it's not a kali related issue
1495[15:52:18] <JohnnyTheSmith> You know what? You guys (including them in #kali-linux) are just a bunch of fucking morons all together.
1499[15:53:10] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: I've told you to take your issue in their support channel. If the Kali support channel doesn't want to support *their* users, you might want to consider using a distro that does.
1500[15:54:02] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: I can only say that Kali is based off some snapshot of Debian testing, so those package versions don't even *exist* in Debian anymore. So it would only be frustrating for everyone to attempt supporting you in here.
1501[15:54:03] <shtrb> JohnnyTheSmith, move to debian and you could get support here
1513[16:00:34] <seiburii> Any help appreciated - I currently have a debian jessie armhf rootfs which can boot on tablet device which has been provided on xda. I am attempting to mimic this in creating a ubuntu armhf rootfs which can be natively booted.
1514[16:00:54] <seiburii> is it possible to copy kernel and modules between debian and ubuntu?
1515[16:01:29] <petn-randall> seiburii: Not really, they use different versions of things, and sometimes different tools.
1526[16:09:35] <seiburii> shtrb - thanks for the advice. I was wondeing then how to fully recreate this rootfs found on xda, and the creator provided steps on how to compile the kernel (ElementalX5). However I get an error message when attempting to do so.
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1530[16:11:04] <shtrb> Some debian mirrors already have armhf (so you will have everything ready for you)
1531[16:11:19] <fasdfd> Why is there tracking enabled in firefox on debian? I see loads of connections to trackers in background behind-the-scene.
1532[16:11:27] <fasdfd> Isn't this against FOSS?
1533[16:11:42] <shtrb> fasdfd, open a bug
1534[16:11:57] <shtrb> it's is not against FOSS , but it is against Privacy
1535[16:12:01] <petn-randall> fasdfd: FOSS says nothing about tracking. Have you enabled it in the settings?
1536[16:12:19] <busch> Using tcpdump for outgoing network packets, is it "guaranteed" that the packets I see are leaving the physical network interface or could the be an ACL, firewall rule etc. that could be "behind" my tcpdump?
1590[16:40:44] <DammitJim> so, I see this for my video card (I want to know what kind of PCI slot it's using: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce GT 120] (rev a1)
1600[16:43:50] <fakefur> judd, yes thanks but any idea WHEN it will make it into stretch?
1601[16:43:52] <petn-randall> fakefur: What exactly stopped working? Letencrypt has disabled some auth methods.
1602[16:44:04] <DammitJim> petn-randall, I want to know what slow I have available to add a card (without opening the server)
1603[16:44:09] <fakefur> petn-randall, yes and when i try to add a cert for a new site i get an error
1604[16:44:21] <fakefur> and the fix is to upgrade certbot
1605[16:44:30] <fakefur> but the new version isn't in stretch yet
1606[16:44:41] <DammitJim> I know I have an NVIDIA card and I want to use what slot it is using. That could tell me what other slots are available and then I can order a USB3 card if the slow supports the speed
1607[16:44:41] <fakefur> so i was asking if anyone knew when that might happen
1608[16:45:12] <petn-randall> fakefur: *what* error? I'm using certbot from stable fine.
1609[16:45:52] <fakefur> Client with the currently selected authenticator does not support any combination of challenges that will satisfy the CA.
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1630[16:49:31] <tw> Anybody using sierra wireless EM7455 or MC7455 with debian? From what I can tell, all of the kernel support is there, but the userland might be iffy.
1661[17:05:34] <alkisg> DammitJim: googling for Dell 0TP406 shows that it has a lot of slots, so if you're only using one, it has a lot of others free. Not very related to debian though, maybe you could ask also in #hardware.
1665[17:06:17] <DammitJim> alkisg, the reason I was asking on Debian is because I wanted to know if there was a command to see what cards were connected to what PCI slot
1666[17:06:48] <alkisg> DammitJim: sure; but that won't tell how how many slots are free, or are physically exposed to the board
1667[17:07:02] <DammitJim> oh ok
1668[17:07:06] <DammitJim> that's all I was asking
1669[17:07:09] <alkisg> So you can see the output of lspci, but it won't help you with the problem
1670[17:07:17] <DammitJim> thanks!
1671[17:07:21] <alkisg> dmidecode got you the board name; the rest isn't related to the OS...
1716[17:24:59] <greycat> The LEAST important things to back up are /bin and /sbin because those are just files that come from packages that will be there when you reinstall the OS.
1717[17:25:13] <Iridos> dpkg, things to backup
1718[17:25:13] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
1719[17:25:35] <Iridos> mmh
1720[17:25:55] <user0> i need /var
1721[17:26:00] <user0> but not /var/run
1722[17:26:23] <greycat> Are you backing up onto very small media? Is this why you're being so picky?
1723[17:26:23] <alkisg> /var/run/ is just a symlink, it doesn't take up space
1724[17:26:44] <user0> I'm backing up to the same disk as the system
1732[17:28:47] <greycat> OK, as long as you realize that this only protects you from a limited subset of human actions, and NOT from hardware failures.
1735[17:29:25] <greycat> Count how many file systems you have that you want to back up, and how big they are. Create an equal number of backup versions of those same file systems, the same sizes. Set up a cron job to rsync them all.
1744[17:30:50] <brw> you just need a mirrored copy of the data?
1745[17:30:53] <greycat> it's a remote server of some kind? no physical access?
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1747[17:31:05] <brw> what's the end game with the "backup" ?
1748[17:31:10] <user0> greycat: remoteserver yes
1749[17:31:18] <JustASlacker> a local remote
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1751[17:31:40] <JustASlacker> as opposed to a remote local
1752[17:31:50] * JustASlacker hides
1753[17:32:37] <user0> If dpkg crash i want to restore everythink
1754[17:32:47] <greycat> wut
1755[17:32:54] <user0> I installed proxmox and it makes my dpkg crashing
1756[17:33:00] <greycat> !proxmox
1757[17:33:01] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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1759[17:33:07] <greycat> Bye!
1760[17:33:45] <user0> i don't want to install proxmox on a virtual server for now
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1762[17:34:32] <user0> Well thank you for help i will play with tar to create my backup bye.
1798[17:43:57] <tw> hopefully you don't have too many of that file. Eventually you will hit the arg limit and it will fork a second copy so summary will break.
1853[18:04:09] <mpo> Do you guys have a recommendation for usable speech-to-text software? There seems to be plenty software related to the search term "speech"
1860[18:07:57] <tw> For dictation, I don't think there's a usable implementation at this time.
1861[18:08:20] <fasdfd> <petn-randall> I didn't enable tracking in the settings, what it takes is enabling suggestions on the startpage, it bypasses umatrix, even with them disabled it sends data to mozilla tracking service. It's the default debian esr version.
1862[18:08:50] <tw> for developers of voice command apps, cmusphinx is pretty easy to use.
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1876[18:17:14] <mpo> tw, thanks for your input. I was actually looking for a tool for dictation. I'll either have to type all the words, or I'll have to publish a podcast
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1878[18:18:17] <tw> mpo: there might be some options using chrome apps.
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1974[19:18:59] <dpkg> To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
2001[19:27:20] <netvor_> I have q about packaging: I have source pkg A, producinv A1 and A2 "binary" packages, where A1 Depends: on A2. I want to make sure they are always under the same version. can I do that?
2002[19:28:09] <netvor_> under rpm I would use Requires: A2 == %{version}, but is there such macro system in debian/control?
2007[19:29:30] <fasdfd> <petn-randall>, as soon as I enabled suggestions there were dozens of requests to all kinds of trackers and no single suggestion appeared, and all that happened even though I block all these trackers with ublock and only allow document root in umatrix. Mozilla is still the best option for privacy, but someone should either make a good doc on how to privacy tweak it or they should do it themselves. Or debian should do it and ship that.
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2082[20:11:36] <ryouma> i have /boot and /root on sdb. i have another drive, sda, which i want to be TOTALLY untouched by any upgrade. what are the chances that upgrading from jessie to stretch will change mbr or anything else on sda? can i prevent this?
2101[20:28:17] <somiaj> I don't think the upgrade scripts run grub-install, only update-grub. So I doubt you need to do anything, though as alkisg mentioned you could tell debconf not to install grub, but I don't think that affects upgrade (only intsall)
2106[20:32:17] <ryouma> alkisg: i have installed grub on sda, because the entire point of doing so is to have a backup of jessie in case the upgrade goes wrong. but if the upgrade screws up the mbr on sda, then both drives are broken.
2107[20:32:51] <ryouma> somiaj: update-grub only changes the running disk are you saying?
2117[20:34:47] <ryouma> somiaj: and the /boot that it updates will only be the drive that i upfated?
2118[20:34:49] <alkisg> ryouma: OK, then it doesn't make sense to install the same grub to both MBRs
2119[20:35:07] <somiaj> ryouma: correct, it will update /boot/grub that is currently mounted.
2120[20:35:22] <alkisg> ryouma: each grub should be installed to its own MBR, e.g. the grub of sdb should go to sdb and the grub copy of sda to sda (using dpkg-reconfigure)
2121[20:35:42] <ryouma> right. but i have foudn that grub often does, and smoetimes on an upgrade. i have even had a case where grub booted from one disk and tehn transferred me to the other disk. :/. this could be user error but i want to prevent all errors.
2122[20:35:52] <alkisg> Otherwise if sdb fails, the sda grub will be trying to load its modules from sdb
2125[20:36:27] <alkisg> One good way to test is: unmount /dev/sda*, and run sudo kvm -m 1024 /dev/sda, andsee if it boots in that VM
2126[20:37:01] <ryouma> i think there is something misleading in the user text for dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc or one of those grub tools. it implies that the user should want to install to all of the drives. but it only makes sense typically to install to only one.
2127[20:37:02] <ryouma> iirc
2128[20:37:29] <alkisg> I don't find it misleading
2129[20:37:46] <alkisg> There are cases you only want to install to one mbr, and cases where you want to install to all of them
2130[20:38:07] <ryouma> you are likely more advanced than i am
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2132[20:38:30] <ryouma> 12:36 <alkisg> One good way to test is: unmount /dev/sda*, and run sudo kvm -m 1024 /dev/sda, andsee if it boots in that VM -- what does this do?
2133[20:38:46] <alkisg> Do you know what a virtual machine is? E.g. kvm?
2134[20:39:24] <ryouma> yes but never used kvm because it did not meet my accessibility needs
2135[20:39:37] <alkisg> What are you using? Virtualbox?
2137[20:40:08] <ryouma> i have used it a few times, but setting it up to have decent fonts and to do what i wanted was not trivial and i forget each ttime what i need to do to use it correctly
2138[20:40:21] <alkisg> Anyway, this basically means "put my sda disk to a virtual machine with 1 GB ram and try to boot it"
2139[20:40:47] <ryouma> and it won't harm the disk?
2140[20:40:47] <alkisg> So that VM then only sees the first disk, and you'll know if it relies on sdb (which won't be accessible from the vm) or not
2148[20:42:28] <ryouma> i wonder then if i should just do my real upgrade on sdb using that?
2149[20:42:52] <alkisg> If you want, pastebin both your /boot/grub/grub.cfg's, they'll tell us a few things more about your setup, if it has issues or not
2162[20:46:04] <ryouma> hmm my usb drive has taken over sda for some reason, so it's really sdb vs. sdc
2163[20:46:47] <somiaj> henec you should use uuids and not /dev/sdb when doing things, those are assigned in order of detection, and having a usb pluged in sometimes gets detected before the other drives.
2174[20:52:34] <alkisg> ryouma: note that if you put the sdc grub to the sdb MBR, it will still boot from the wrong disk, i.e. it won't be able to boot if you remove sdc
2175[20:52:56] <ryouma> alkisg: yeah i think that is what i am afraid of
2178[20:53:50] <alkisg> The correct way to maintain grub there, is to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc while booted first in sdb and then in sdc, and select only their respective MBRs each time. Only one MBR per grub.
2179[20:54:08] <alkisg> Either from the physical host, or from KVM, it doesn't matter
2181[20:55:02] <ryouma> hmm, so i could do this before the upgrade and there will be magical debconf stuff that i do not understand that will possibly make the upgrade operation (or future flailing around with grub and initramfs) safer?
2182[20:55:24] <alkisg> The safer part is: if the upgrade totally ruins everything, the other disk still boots,
2183[20:55:37] <alkisg> while now, you're in doubt, maybe it'll try to load the other grub/linux and it won't boot
2188[20:56:33] <somiaj> ryouma: you could also just run grub-install /dev/sdX to install grub to the desired mbr, you don't have to use dpkg-reconfigure.
2189[20:57:23] <ryouma> what is the difference?
2190[20:57:43] <ryouma> i use grub-isntall when i create the sda boot and root
2191[20:57:45] <alkisg> dpkg-reconfigure remembers the answer for later runs of grub.postinst, while grub-install doesn't remember what you want :)
2193[20:58:07] <ryouma> yeah the remembering is what disturbs me
2194[20:58:22] <alkisg> Remembering is the better of the two options
2195[20:58:23] <somiaj> but since as you see the device names change, and most likely you won't be reinstalling grub, it is more personal preference.
2196[20:58:24] <ryouma> but it is dpkg-reconfuigure that gets called in upgrade?
2197[20:58:47] <somiaj> no dpkg-reconfigure does not get called during upgrades. That is part of the install script. An upgrade is not an install.
2198[20:58:55] <ryouma> ok
2199[20:59:09] <ryouma> doesn't it get called whenever kernel upgrades though? or is that something else?
2200[20:59:26] <somiaj> that is update-grub
2201[20:59:27] <ryouma> maybe that is just grub-update
2202[20:59:29] <ryouma> oops
2203[20:59:30] <ryouma> yeah
2204[20:59:43] <ryouma> alkisg: somiaj thank you for giving me tools and more confidence and verifying my cfg and fstab
2205[20:59:58] <alkisg> somiaj: the grub debconf dialog appears in various cases when grub gets upgraded
2206[20:59:59] <somiaj> grub is not like lilo that has be reinstalled in the mbr each change. It only needs to be installed once, and then you can contorl it via updating config files.
2207[21:00:19] <ryouma> i still don't have total confidence, but i have enough to seriouysly consider joining the stretch revolution now
2209[21:00:35] <somiaj> alkisg: hmm, I haven't seen that in years of using sid, but I trust you. Though I'm surprised it is using things like /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, because those could change between upgrades which could cause problems.
2210[21:00:46] <alkisg> It doesn't, it's using uuids
2211[21:01:13] <somiaj> there is a uuid for /dev/sda, I thought uuids were for filesystems?
2212[21:01:19] <alkisg> I've seen it get called when disks get changed or when there are new grub conffiles/updates in /etc
2218[21:02:46] <somiaj> ahh, that could be how it tracks it. I only use a few systems, but I have no recolletion of grub needing to be reinstalled after any upgrade on my few systems. And the few times I changed disks, I just manually used grub-install.
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2222[21:05:02] <ryouma> i use /dev/disk/by-id for grub-install, because there is no uuid for the whole drive that i found. yet i know the kernel (udev or some such) changes those a lot. i wonder if the wwn-0x500a07510d234cc0 notation is more stable?
2226[21:07:19] <alkisg> They're getting that from udev
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2228[21:08:19] <somiaj> ahh so it might reinstall grub if it detects a change in disks? Still seems strange to me an upgrade script would risk installing grub over some other bootloader.
2229[21:08:22] <ryouma> (dunno if udev is part of kernel or what, but i do know that the id's change from kernel version to kernel version in practice in debian)
2233[21:11:00] <samsquatch> I've had some weird errors I cannot seem to pin down
2234[21:11:20] <samsquatch> I am on Stretch with Mate
2235[21:11:56] <samsquatch> and every so often I lose keyboard/mouse and video
2236[21:12:04] <alkisg> Last time I had trouble with that was years ago when I was dual booting 2 ubuntu partitions on one disk, and on each grub update, that ubuntu version would reinstall itself to the MBR... until I realized what was happenning and I ran dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and selected no MBR at all on one of them
2237[21:12:06] <samsquatch> I have to do a hard reset
2240[21:12:46] <samsquatch> i cannot find anything that really jumps out in the logs
2241[21:13:07] <alkisg> samsquatch: does alt+ctrl+f1 give you a text console at that point?
2242[21:13:12] *** Quits: MurkySocks (~humbag@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2243[21:13:14] <samsquatch> no
2244[21:13:20] <alkisg> Wait, video, do you mean that the screen goes black?
2245[21:13:27] <samsquatch> no keyboard or mouse works
2246[21:13:29] <samsquatch> no
2247[21:13:31] <samsquatch> well
2248[21:13:44] <samsquatch> so when the things tarts its shit it will blink black
2249[21:13:54] <samsquatch> and then the desktop freezes
2250[21:14:04] <samsquatch> and no input devices work
2251[21:14:07] <ryouma> alkisg: somiaj 2 minor questions. is it ok to ^C at a prompt when you run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc? also, is " 4. - /dev/sdc1 (999 MB; /boot)" an indication that i am already installing only to /dev/sdc1 and not to the other items on the proferred list?
2252[21:14:11] <samsquatch> (except the power button)
2253[21:14:49] <alkisg> So it's just a crash, everything is frozen, not just the keyboard/mouse. Well, first make sure it's not hardware, e.g. try running a live cd for a period of time, doing intensive tasks, watching youtube etc
2254[21:14:52] <samsquatch> like the screen flickers and I lose all input devices
2255[21:15:07] <somiaj> ryouma: where you put /boot is independent of the disk you install grub onto the MBR with grub-install.
2256[21:15:34] <samsquatch> this has only happened since upgrading to Stretch
2257[21:15:44] <ryouma> somiaj: i was referring to the - character which shows up on only that entry
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2259[21:15:50] <somiaj> ryouma: as mentioned there are two different things going on. 1) installing grub to the mbr via grub-install, 2) configuring grub via update-grub and the files in /boot/grub
2260[21:15:56] <alkisg> ryouma: on that dpkg-reconfigure, only select whole disks, not partitions. It's usually NOT ok to install grub to partitions, I hope you didn't check your boot partition there.
2261[21:15:58] <ryouma> so i guess i should select "3. /dev/sdc (512110 MB; Crucial_CT512MX100SSD1)"
2262[21:16:05] <samsquatch> and I'll have open like x-chat and looking at a wiki page
2263[21:16:36] <samsquatch> any ideas on that?
2264[21:16:42] <somiaj> ryouma: yes, you can choose to install grub onto the MBR of the first partition, /dev/sdc1, instead of the main disk, /dev/sdc. Most would install on the main disk.
2265[21:16:42] <samsquatch> I have an ssh console open
2266[21:16:47] <ryouma> i was already aware of installing to whole disks, so i would not have done so intentionally. but that - character is disturbing.
2267[21:16:59] <samsquatch> thing is, if im downloading something and it locks up the download continues
2268[21:17:06] <samsquatch> so it seems to be in the UI
2269[21:17:09] *** Quits: fujisan (uid4207@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2270[21:17:15] <alkisg> somiaj: "MBR of the first partition" => partitions don't have MBRs... if you mean boot sector, that's a different thing
2271[21:17:21] <ryouma> oops, i mean i was already aware of the wisdom of installing to whole disks, so i would not have done so intentionally. but that - character is disturbing.
2272[21:17:35] <ryouma> would not have installed to a partition intentionally*
2273[21:18:16] <alkisg> ryouma: from what I see, that - character means "partition that is child of a disk", doesn't it?
2274[21:18:28] <ryouma> alkisg: ah then it would be ok
2275[21:18:40] <alkisg> Like drawing an ascii-based tree...
2276[21:18:41] <ryouma> alkisg: yeah that hypothesis is not falsified
2277[21:19:09] <ryouma> does dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc always do both grub-install and update-grub?
2278[21:19:38] <alkisg> I think so
2279[21:19:52] <ryouma> i will ^C and when i am prepared to try a reboot, i will select "3. /dev/sdc ..." just in case it is not already selected. however, normally i use "grub-install /dev/disk/by-id/..."
2417[23:13:34] <oct2pus> not sure if i should ask here or #neovim, but is it possible to use the vim-pathogen package on debian to work on neovim or will i need to install a second version of pathogen not from APT just for neovim?\