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• 2[00:00:22] <rant> the latter though shows how to manually create a grub entry for it
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• 8[00:03:00] <xbadc0de> hmm gona try that
• 9[00:05:32] <xbadc0de> but if you know this just tell me
• 10[00:05:32] <xbadc0de> before booting the os, there is a neet for a bootloader I guess that for linux is usually grub
• 11[00:05:32] <rant> yes, windows uses NTLDR which most people dont realize because its disabled by default, but it has a menu as well
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• 13[00:05:32] <xbadc0de> for windows I don't know what it is but its some portion of code that then loads ntldr.exe which will then prepare the way for spawning ntoskrnl.exe and load all the associated kernel mode modules
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• 16[00:05:32] <rant> NTLDR is the bootloader..
• 17[00:05:32] <xbadc0de> but isn't there any boot code before the ntldr?
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• 19[00:05:39] <rant> well just as grub has binaries on the fs and code it installs to the MBR, ntldr is much the same
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• 21[00:06:38] <xbadc0de> since the windows hard disk has two partitions
• 22[00:06:45] <xbadc0de> then I guess there is only one mbr
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• 25[00:08:13] <Rud3> I have a questione about snort, if anyone knows that. Do I need to install it in a computer before the LAN, or it is enough to install it in one computer in the lan in order to scan the traffic the whole traffic in a LAN?
• 26[00:09:56] <rant> a packet sniffer / analyzer can see the whole network.. the general nature of a star topology like ethernet is that all traffic goes to all machines and they just ignore that which isnt addressed to them
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• 29[00:10:27] <rant> the only way you wouldnt see it all is if you had a gateway/prox/firewall of some kind that was isolating each node
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• 32[00:11:08] <rant> this is more and more common on resitdential gateways and routers which have wifi. .they'll isiolate wifi clients (optionally)
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• 35[00:11:51] <rant> as a means to secure other users on the network from privacy concerns by wifi users or hackers
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• 40[00:16:02] <RoyK> rant: it's another ballpark, that's all
• 41[00:16:27] <xbadc0de> badcoder@corsair:~$ sudo apt install blkid
• 42[00:16:27] <xbadc0de> Reading package lists... Done
• 43[00:16:27] <xbadc0de> Building dependency tree
• 44[00:16:27] <xbadc0de> Reading state information... Done
• 45[00:16:27] <xbadc0de> E: Unable to locate package blkid
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• 48[00:16:52] <xbadc0de> flooded
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• 52[00:17:32] <mischmerz> xbadc0de, Bad lad ;)
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• 54[00:18:08] <coruja> xbadc0de, util-linux
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• 56[00:19:05] <xbadc0de> gracias fofinho
• 57[00:19:44] <rant> heh
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• 62[00:27:50] <jimbzy> Sup rant?
• 63[00:27:57] <jimbzy> Woops, wrong channel.
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• 65[00:30:24] <xbadc0de> it seems to chainload windows
• 66[00:30:41] <xbadc0de> but the ntldr complains about something
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• 263[04:20:53] <jmaher> if I add a google online account in the gnome panel I can see the files through the file browser - how do I see them through the shell?
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• 265[04:24:48] <awal1> people in #debian-gnome 2should" be more expert on gnome stuff, jmaher
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• 267[04:25:23] <somiaj> though that is another irc network, maybe just
• 268[04:25:28] <somiaj> #gnome here would be enough
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• 272[04:27:10] <jmaher> awal1, somiaj: thanks
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• 281[04:33:35] <rant> looking at the deps of gnome-online-accounts its not going to work.. its not a full client but a nautilus integration
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• 284[04:34:33] <rant> you'll need to use another piece of code if you want a normal mount.. many are avaialble commercially, but the most promising thing I'd try if I wanted to mount google drive would probably be this ocaml-fuse driver replaced-url
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• 291[04:39:12] <rant> looks like you'd have to build the gapi-ocaml and ocamlfuse but all other deps are satisfied in debian stable
• 292[04:39:22] <awal1> ,v gnome-gmail
• 293[04:39:23] <judd> Package: gnome-gmail on amd64 -- stretch: 2.3.1-1; buster: 2.5.4-1; sid: 2.5.4-1
• 294[04:39:44] <kisser> ,v freeswitch
• 295[04:39:45] <judd> No package named 'freeswitch' was found in amd64.
• 296[04:39:57] <kisser> ,v nginx-full
• 297[04:39:58] <judd> Package: nginx-full on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.13.8-1; sid: 1.13.8-1
• 298[04:40:09] <somiaj> kisser: /msg judd v foo
• 299[04:40:13] <jmaher> rant: thanks - currently I'm using something called drive I downloaded at random off github
• 300[04:40:18] <awal1> jmaher, i see gnome-gmail but not sure about all features
• 301[04:40:31] <kisser> somiaj ??
• 302[04:40:45] <rant> jmaher: you got a link? work well? build easily on Debian Stretch?
• 303[04:40:54] <awal1> kisser: use /msg judd v foo
• 304[04:41:14] <kisser> no reply
• 305[04:41:19] <kisser> i can talk to it via private
• 306[04:41:20] <kisser> u mean?
• 307[04:41:25] <awal1> yep
• 308[04:41:39] <somiaj> kisser: you get the info in a message and dno't need to add it the channel.
• 309[04:41:47] <rant> kisser: yes you can.. but unlike our other bots it will not respond to invalid commands
• 310[04:42:00] <awal1> in judd window use 'version' instead of 'v', kisser
• 311[04:42:20] <rant> it didn't respond because it didnt find package foo
• 312[04:42:23] <rant> the v is fine
• 313[04:43:01] <somiaj> kisser: should have said packagename insteald of foo.
• 314[04:43:05] <rant> oh it does respond in msg to packages not found.. didnt earlier
• 315[04:43:16] <kisser> yea
• 316[04:43:17] <awal1> previously v wont work here. now it works
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• 318[04:43:28] <awal1> i mean months ago
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• 320[04:43:43] <uniqdom> Hello, how do you change the time in Debian stretch.
• 321[04:43:45] <uniqdom> ?
• 322[04:43:53] <rant> maybe its just a little wonky in /msg cause I did it earlier today and it didnt respond at all to an invalid package but responded to a valid one
• 323[04:43:58] <awal1> well, i rarelly talk to judd, not sure since when v works
• 324[04:44:02] <somiaj> uniqdom: install ntp, and then let it sync with the internet.
• 325[04:44:22] <awal1> timedatectl
• 326[04:44:24] <kisser> or
• 327[04:44:33] <kisser> you can use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
• 328[04:44:41] <kisser> and change ur area zone using root
• 329[04:44:47] <kisser> it will change everything with it ;p
• 330[04:44:52] <uniqdom> yep, but what if I need to set a different date, let's say that I want to fake the date
• 331[04:44:54] <somiaj> that set time? I thought it changed time zone, utc/vs local, still need ntp to actually set the time.
• 332[04:45:01] <rant> kisser: that only applies if the time is wrong due to the tz being invalid
• 333[04:45:20] <kisser> it might be wrong timezone
• 334[04:45:24] <rant> uniqdom: date --set="-10 days"
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• 336[04:45:33] <kisser> we all do the same error
• 337[04:45:37] <kisser> while installing debian
• 338[04:45:42] <rant> uniqdom: man date
• 339[04:46:15] <somiaj> uniqdom: and be careful, some things have trouble if you mess with the time to much.
• 340[04:46:19] <uniqdom> yep, i'm using "date -s", which works correctly, but if I run date again it the real time&date, like the set wasn't woriking
• 341[04:46:34] <awal1> uniqdom, timedatectl is a nice systemd utility
• 342[04:46:39] <somiaj> uniqdom: do you have ntpd running?
• 343[04:47:21] <uniqdom> ntp is not installed
• 344[04:47:35] <rant> uniqdom: as somiaj points out changing the date will not only screw up your logs, but for example you won't be able to browse the web.. most eveything uses TLS now not only websites.. other apps use it too like some irc clients even.. TLS will fail if date is more than a few hours off in either direction because the certificates will be invalid
• 345[04:48:13] <somiaj> lots of things also dont' like files form the future.
• 346[04:48:31] <rant> I vaguly recall something that let you fake a date for a specific program.. like a wrapper
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• 348[04:48:44] <annadane> faketime?
• 349[04:49:19] <rant> annadane: is that in debian? I don't recall what it was called
• 350[04:49:24] <annadane> yeah it's in debian
• 351[04:49:25] <annadane> ,v faketime
• 352[04:49:26] <judd> Package: faketime on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8-1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.9.6-3; stretch: 0.9.6-7+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; sid: 0.9.7-1
• 353[04:49:41] <uniqdom> even the date & time tool from cinnamon is failing to change the time
• 354[04:49:59] <rant> uniqdom: consider that app faketime if you just wanna fool a specific program, its safer.. it just wraps the program in an environment that responds incorrectly to calls for the time
• 355[04:50:30] <rant> you really can't operate a modern computer without the correct time/date there are too many things that rely heavily on that being right
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• 358[04:51:40] <uniqdom> I need it to fool a webpage, but as it was said, it will break TLS. but now i wonder why I can't change the date with "date -s" or with the graphical tool
• 359[04:52:01] <uniqdom> the graphical tool has network time setting off
• 360[04:52:24] <rant> uniqdom: you need root permissions to change the time/date most graphical tools have something to escaalate perms and ask you for the root pw
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• 362[04:53:01] <uniqdom> yes, I'm using my root password there, in console date command, and in the graphical tool
• 363[04:53:19] <rant> uniqdom: if you want to fool a webpage you're gonna have to do this at a higher level within the browser itself.. in a way that tells the right date to the server for TLS auth but lies to any scripts
• 364[04:53:22] <uniqdom> it is needed to unlock the controls
• 365[04:53:36] <rant> uniqdom: maybe you can find a browser plugin for that
• 366[04:54:19] <rant> uniqdom: you may already have ntp working and syncing the clock to a remote server
• 367[04:54:19] <uniqdom> ok, i will try to find if something like that exist...
• 368[04:54:38] <uniqdom> does date -s work for you guys?
• 369[04:54:53] <uniqdom> can you change it to a few minutes in the future/past
• 370[04:54:54] <uniqdom> ?
• 371[04:54:59] <rant> yes I can change my clock.. I been using linux long enough to figure that out :P
• 372[04:55:25] <uniqdom> have you tried that in Stretch?
• 373[04:55:38] <rant> you probably have some setting either in your DE or a daemon running that is keeping your time to an ntp server
• 374[04:55:39] <uniqdom> in wheezy and jessie that was working fine.
• 375[04:55:54] <uniqdom> it may be.
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• 377[04:57:06] <uniqdom> but not a setting that I have enabled by my self.
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• 380[05:01:36] <rant> ok, I see your point..
• 381[05:02:02] <rant> uniqdom: I am going to tell you what's doing this but you do understand we all told you its a bad idea to fool with your clock right?
• 382[05:02:18] <uniqdom> yes
• 383[05:02:29] <rant> its the infamous systemd doing it.. heh
• 384[05:02:54] <rant> systemctl shows systemd-timesyncd.service running on stretch, thats whats keeping the time correct
• 385[05:02:58] <uniqdom> so do you have systemd?
• 386[05:03:12] <rant> we all have systemd, its standard in debian
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• 388[05:03:23] <Resilience> me not
• 389[05:03:33] <rant> service systemd-timesyncd stop
• 390[05:03:39] <rant> will allow those commands to change the time
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• 392[05:03:42] <uniqdom> thanks rant
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• 395[05:04:29] <annadane> consider not changing it just for a stupid website
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• 398[05:09:04] <rant> you've been warned.. that advice is without warranty.. and I think testing that is what just had me fighting to get back online and to this screen session on this remote host :P
• 399[05:09:42] <rant> there is a reason systemd is keeping you from doing that :P
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• 401[05:12:36] <themill> awal1: I added 'v' as an alias for 'versions' back in 2011.
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• 403[05:13:33] <annadane> our fingers thank you
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• 406[05:18:39] <awal1> themill, previously judd not answering with 'v', only if i use 'version/versions'. now 'v' works . it is curious
• 407[05:18:58] <awal1> hexchat
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• 477[06:37:58] <buu> So, is it at possible for du -s to return I/O errors due to a software problem
• 478[06:38:03] <buu> That seems unlikely
• 479[06:40:18] <nkuttler> i wouldn't bet on it
• 480[06:41:46] <buu> yeah
• 481[06:42:20] <buu> what was the name of the disk copier that retried real hard in the case of failure?
• 482[06:42:44] <nkuttler> how valuable is your data?
• 483[06:42:51] <buu> as far as I know, not at all
• 484[06:42:53] <SirLagz> buu: ddrescue?
• 485[06:43:00] <buu> SirLagz: Ah, yes
• 486[06:43:31] <buu> nkuttler: Not my data =]
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• 511[07:08:34] <BigBallsBigDick> Hey girls!
• 512[07:09:23] <RuGaL> Hello, I have problem in installing G++ got error replaced-url
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• 517[07:14:47] <RuGaL> Hello, I have problem in installing G++ got error replaced-url
• 518[07:14:50] <nkuttler> RuGaL: the process was killed. low memory?
• 519[07:15:12] <RuGaL> Let me check memory
• 520[07:15:25] <nkuttler> grep -i kill /var/log/messages
• 521[07:15:28] <RuGaL> No its not low memory
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• 523[07:15:52] <nkuttler> apt-cache policy g++ ?
• 524[07:16:43] <RuGaL> replaced-url
• 525[07:17:04] <nkuttler> RuGaL: fwiw, try again..
• 526[07:17:16] <nkuttler> processes shouldn't simply get killed randomly..
• 527[07:17:48] <RuGaL> killed again
• 528[07:17:53] <nkuttler> do you have swap enabled?
• 529[07:17:56] <RuGaL> is G++ is install?
• 530[07:18:06] <RuGaL> swap ? no idea
• 531[07:18:15] <nkuttler> swapon
• 532[07:18:32] <nkuttler> which package are you actually trying to install?
• 533[07:18:57] <RuGaL> ZNC
• 534[07:19:13] <nkuttler> RuGaL: apt-cache policy znc
• 535[07:19:14] <RuGaL> I am using "Debian 9.0 64-bit Minimal"
• 536[07:19:25] <nkuttler> the installer image? that's fine
• 537[07:19:33] <nkuttler> or what do you mean
• 538[07:20:05] <RuGaL> replaced-url
• 539[07:20:31] <nkuttler> RuGaL: paste the actual command you use and the entire output please
• 540[07:21:06] <RuGaL> replaced-url
• 541[07:21:18] <nkuttler> wtf..
• 542[07:21:29] <nkuttler> ok, you are *building* something, not installing it
• 543[07:21:48] <RuGaL> yes
• 544[07:23:02] <RuGaL> Now its giving G++ error
• 545[07:23:16] <RuGaL> Want to Install G++
• 546[07:23:36] <nkuttler> what's wrong with apt-get install g++?
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• 548[07:23:46] <RuGaL> Let me paste again
• 549[07:23:48] <nkuttler> why do you even build znc from source?
• 550[07:24:11] <RuGaL> replaced-url
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• 552[07:24:32] <nkuttler> why don't you use the packaged znc?
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• 554[07:24:50] <RuGaL> wget replaced-url
• 555[07:24:58] <nkuttler> why don't you use the packaged znc?
• 556[07:25:01] <RuGaL> How i use that?
• 557[07:25:09] <nkuttler> why don't you use the packaged znc?
• 558[07:25:28] <nkuttler> RuGaL: apt-get install znc
• 559[07:25:39] <house__> packages can be out of date
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• 561[07:25:58] <RuGaL> It will install oldest znc 1.4 i guess
• 562[07:26:09] <nkuttler> ,v znc
• 563[07:26:10] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.5-1; buster: 1.6.5-2+b2; sid: 1.6.5-2+b2
• 564[07:26:18] <nkuttler> RuGaL: no
• 565[07:26:46] <nkuttler> RuGaL: apt-cache policy <pkg> will show you the available versions..
• 566[07:26:47] <RuGaL> package install now
• 567[07:27:15] <house__> im still scorn over nvidia drivers getting wrecked by apt-get upgrade
• 568[07:27:20] <nkuttler> if you need something newer than available, ask in here first
• 569[07:28:09] <RuGaL> Now package is install let me install then i will let you know if get error again
• 570[07:28:46] <nkuttler> RuGaL: huh? install *what*? you have znc installed now, you don't need to compile it
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• 575[07:35:05] <RuGaL> okay its done thanks but one problem
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• 578[07:37:42] <RuGaL> Thank you for help nkuttler
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• 616[08:41:05] <azrazalea> Hello! I have a script that is designed for ubuntu to install displaylink video chipset drivers and i'm trying to get it to work on debian testing. It is looking for /lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64/build/Kconfig and can't find it. Any advice on how to rig this to work?
• 617[08:41:29] <azrazalea> The headers are there, just not the Kconfig
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• 623[08:51:48] <SirLagz> !testing
• 624[08:51:48] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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• 627[08:53:29] <azrazalea> I mean, i'm pretty sure it is a general debian question
• 628[08:53:34] <azrazalea> Not testing specific
• 629[08:54:37] <SirLagz> azrazalea: well what is the Kconfig file on ubuntu?
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• 632[08:56:50] <rant> azrazalea: is this what you're using replaced-url
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• 636[09:01:11] <azrazalea> rant: nope, didn't see that
• 637[09:01:19] <azrazalea> Going to try that now
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• 639[09:01:48] <rant> SirLagz: Kconfig is a linux thing, its got nothing to do with ubuntu.. its part of the kernel sources
• 640[09:02:22] <SirLagz> rant: I wonder why Debian doesn't have it
• 641[09:02:34] <rant> azrazalea: well to help with testing this driver we need to know what you're using.. or else we can only give general information
• 642[09:02:51] <rant> SirLagz: it does.. if you install the headers/source
• 643[09:02:59] <SirLagz> rant: I have the headers...don't have the source though
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• 646[09:03:27] <SirLagz> rant: don't ever recall seeing a Kconfig in the modules folder, but then again it's been a while since I've looked
• 647[09:03:44] <SirLagz> rant: oh apparently I do have the source installed.
• 648[09:03:49] <rant> yeah well I didnt look either.. heh.. I'm just saying generally speaking kbuild is part of the kernel
• 649[09:04:02] <SirLagz> rant: if it were in the kernel source tree then yeah
• 650[09:04:13] <SirLagz> rant: not sure what the one in the modules directory does though
• 651[09:04:29] <phinxy> Why shouldnt "getty@tty1.service" file in /etc/systemd/system be edited but have a override file instead?
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• 653[09:05:01] <rant> SirLagz: you're probably right about whatever crap he's using and where it's looking for whatever Kconfig file its looking for.. which is why I was trying to figure out what he was using
• 654[09:05:19] <azrazalea> I was using the official ones originally. Also she
• 655[09:05:30] <rant> location of files IS distro specific
• 656[09:05:36] <SirLagz> rant: indeed
• 657[09:05:45] <SirLagz> rant: I was about to pull the !ubuntu factoid out too lol
• 658[09:06:11] <SirLagz> getting ubuntu-specific things working on Debian always causes isues
• 659[09:06:13] <SirLagz> issues*
• 660[09:06:13] <azrazalea> I used the script regardless, it is doing what I was trying to do
• 661[09:06:20] <rant> azrazalea: the upstream driver is only meant to work with specific versions of ubuntu and specific kernels.. it cannot be used anywhere else without modification
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• 663[09:06:26] <azrazalea> Will have to reboot to see if it works though so it'll be a bit.
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• 666[09:06:39] <rant> azrazalea: you tried that script I was just looking at?
• 667[09:06:43] <azrazalea> Yeah rant
• 668[09:06:55] <rant> azrazalea: well let us know how that goes then for sure
• 669[09:07:00] <azrazalea> Will do!
• 670[09:07:56] <rant> because from what I can see whatever hardware that is, its apparently a PITA on all OSes not just Debian or Linux
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• 672[09:07:59] <rant> it'd be good to document a solution for it
• 673[09:08:34] <alkisg> phinxy: what package provides getty@tty1.service? Isn't that a file you manually created?
• 674[09:09:01] <somiaj> alkisg: that is part of systemd
• 675[09:09:23] <somiaj> it is actually getty@.service, and it lacuhes getty@tty1, getty@tty2, etc
• 676[09:09:41] <alkisg> ...ok, because I couldn't find any package shipping getty@tty1.service
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• 678[09:10:07] <somiaj> the tty1 is a variable that is sent to the getty@.service
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• 682[09:10:47] <alkisg> somiaj: in which version is that, because I don't have it?
• 683[09:10:52] <alkisg> (e.g. in stretch, it's not there)
• 684[09:10:55] <rant> SirLagz: you wouldnt be wrong in a redirect on an issue mentioning ubuntu, testing, and random scripts.. but I thought to hold this issue since I thought I may be able to help simply because its involving obscure hardware a quick google shows is a PITA to get working and if we can solve it and document it, we may be one of the first distros to have support for it
• 685[09:11:17] <somiaj> alkisg: /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service
• 686[09:11:20] <somiaj> alkisg: it is, i'm on stretch.
• 687[09:11:24] <SirLagz> rant: true
• 688[09:11:28] <alkisg> somiaj: well, he asked about /etc, didn't he?
• 689[09:11:34] <somiaj> alkisg: systemd: /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service
• 690[09:11:45] <alkisg> somiaj: (10:04:29 πμ) phinxy: Why shouldnt "getty@tty1.service" file in /etc/systemd/system be edited but have a override file instead?
• 691[09:11:48] <somiaj> alkisg: I missed the original questions, but /etc contains user overrides, the unit files are shpied in /lib/systemd/system.
• 692[09:12:02] <alkisg> somiaj: right, that's what I was answering, that it would be fine to edit it in /etc
• 693[09:12:17] <alkisg> systemd overrides go in /etc, and upstream/distro files go to /lib
• 694[09:12:17] <somiaj> but it is better to have an override, than a replacement
• 695[09:12:45] <somiaj> overrides in ssytemd are slightly different than a replacment. overrides are what you get when you run 'systemctl edit service', which go somewhere slightly different, one second.
• 696[09:12:53] <phinxy> alkisg• the file seems to set up the first tty login prompt
• 697[09:13:01] <rant> SirLagz: especially since the user is using testing and there is work already done on making the driver portable on github.. we'd have a documented case of it working on buster and could maybe get someone to get it in by time buster releases
• 698[09:13:11] <alkisg> phinxy: that file isn't there normally; you put it there manually
• 699[09:13:26] <alkisg> phinxy: the tty logins are set up by files in /lib/systemd
• 700[09:13:47] <somiaj> alkisg: so /etc/systemd/system/unit.service is a replacement, /etc/systemd/system/unit.service.d/override.conf (or other .conf files) are overrides that agument the system unit.
• 701[09:13:49] <phinxy> "/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service"
• 702[09:14:34] <alkisg> phinxy: the "wants" dir is a different thing, it means that this unit should run on that target
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• 704[09:15:23] <phinxy> There are "wants" in /lib/systemd/system as well
• 705[09:16:23] <somiaj> correct, systemd has flies in multiple locations, in general /lib/systemd is for debian packages to put stuff, /etc/systemd is for user overrides
• 706[09:16:49] <SirLagz> all this talk of getty reminds me...why don't I have a text console? =/
• 707[09:16:57] <SirLagz> where should I even start to configure my tty?
• 708[09:17:01] <somiaj> SirLagz: what do you mean ty bext console?
• 709[09:17:06] <SirLagz> somiaj: as in no tty
• 710[09:17:16] <somiaj> SirLagz: in systemd they are dynamic, they are there, your display manager is probabaly running on tty1
• 711[09:17:29] <rant> it used to be /etc/inittab but now its all dynamic via systemd
• 712[09:17:31] <SirLagz> somiaj: ctrl-alt-f1 to ctrl-alt-f6 just gives me a blank screen
• 713[09:17:32] <somiaj> SirLagz: but unlike sysvinit, they are only ran when accessed, if you hit ctrl-atl-f2, it would fire one up.
• 714[09:17:48] <somiaj> SirLagz: this might be a graphics driver/xorg conficlit
• 715[09:17:56] <SirLagz> somiaj: nope, didn't fire up
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• 717[09:18:32] <rant> that was my first thought too but I've seen systems where it doesnt always start a tty .. like my pi.. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt :P
• 718[09:18:35] <somiaj> didn't fire up, so you have a system that is basically not giving you any way to interact with it (or do you use ssh)
• 719[09:18:46] <SirLagz> somiaj: yeah, I can't interact with it other than with X
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• 721[09:19:01] <SirLagz> somiaj: I tried ctr-alt-f2, blindly logging in, and killing things...didn't kill anything
• 722[09:19:09] <SirLagz> somiaj: so I can only assume that my ttys just aren't working
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• 724[09:19:18] <alocer> SirLagz, when i insalled nvidia graphic drivers , i was getting the blank screen as well.
• 725[09:19:21] <somiaj> SirLagz: I thought you meant xorg didn't fire up. And i'm unsure if using waylend if the keybindings for swtichign thigns are different.
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• 727[09:19:33] <SirLagz> somiaj: sorry, if xorg doesn't fire up, then I have to use ssh
• 728[09:19:41] <SirLagz> somiaj: but at the moment, xorg is firing up so I can use X
• 729[09:19:54] <SirLagz> somiaj: but a few days ago, X *didn't* fire up, and I was stuck using ssh from my phone lol
• 730[09:20:00] <rant> a blank screen and a screen with a blinking cursor are two different things
• 731[09:20:08] <alkisg> phinxy: wants in /lib mean "enabled by default", wants in /etc mean "enabled manually or by a postinst script". tty1 is enabled by systemd.posinst
• 732[09:20:14] <SirLagz> somiaj: hmmm. it seems you might be right about the graphics driver/xorg conflict though
• 733[09:20:23] <somiaj> SirLagz: what does 'systemctl status getty@tty2.service' return.
• 734[09:20:30] <SirLagz> somiaj: I can see root logged in on tty2 as I blindly logged in
• 735[09:20:31] <rant> typically when its a gfx issu the screen will be totally blank.. when its systemd not starting a tty you'll see the cursor
• 736[09:20:51] <SirLagz> somiaj: that command returns a 'running' status
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• 738[09:21:05] <SirLagz> rant: yeah, I had a cursor last time when X didn't start up
• 739[09:21:07] <somiaj> some grahically issue, could be a kms driver issue.
• 740[09:21:09] <SirLagz> rant: but no ttys
• 741[09:21:50] <alkisg> SirLagz: alt+ctrl+f2 to activate tty2, then alt+ctrl+f7 to get back, then ps aux|grep getty, is the process running? If yes, it's just a driver issue, you could probably type blindly and login in tty2...
• 742[09:21:52] <rant> SirLagz: because when the gfx is the problem its a framebuffer bug or something.. and that would cause you to not see the cursor either
• 743[09:22:10] <SirLagz> alkisg: yeah, I just did that, and I can see root logged in on tty2 now after I blindly logged in
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• 745[09:22:22] <somiaj> rant: more likely kms these days.
• 746[09:22:34] <SirLagz> rant: last time, I updated the kernel so my nVidia driver wasn't even loaded...so I had no X, and no tty lol
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• 749[09:22:59] <rant> yeah I didnt think about kms.. and if you got nvidia or something that taints the kernel.. it can easily break that
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• 751[09:23:20] <SirLagz> yeah I'm using the official nVidia drivers rather than the packaged ones
• 752[09:23:32] <SirLagz> or I'm pretty sure I am...lemme check
• 753[09:23:43] <frikinz> Hi. I'd like to backport netdata to stretch. Why am I getting this when issuing apt-get -t unstable source netdata:
• 754[09:23:46] <frikinz> E: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
• 755[09:23:50] <SirLagz> yes, using official nvidia drivers
• 756[09:23:55] <somiaj> that could explain lots of things, all it takes is a debian package upgrade to wipe out or cause conflicts with the offical nvidia stuff.
• 757[09:23:57] <rant> SirLagz: did you try the packaged ones first ?
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• 759[09:24:09] <somiaj> SirLagz: really that is a way to just cause your system to be buggy in debian and not supported here.
• 760[09:24:11] <SirLagz> frikinz: that's not backporting, that's installing an unstable package in stable.
• 761[09:24:18] <rant> frikinz: there is no need for a -t.. /msg dpkg ssb
• 762[09:24:34] <frikinz> SirLagz: apt-get source has never installed anything ;)
• 763[09:24:44] <SirLagz> frikinz: oh right, that's source. sorry
• 764[09:24:46] <SirLagz> frikinz: misread
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• 767[09:25:12] <SirLagz> rant: I did try the packaged ones first a while ago but I had some issue with them so I just ended up using the official ones
• 768[09:25:14] <somiaj> frikinz: do you have multiple deb-src lines in your soruces.list
• 769[09:25:20] <frikinz> rant: yes that did it
• 770[09:25:22] <SirLagz> rant: haven't tried in a while now though
• 771[09:25:33] <frikinz> rant: but then the apt-get manpages seems incorrect to me
• 772[09:25:38] <frikinz> somiaj: I do
• 773[09:25:59] <SirLagz> frikinz: the -t switch is normally used when installing packages from a different tree IIRC
• 774[09:26:01] <somiaj> frikinz: i'm unsure the best way to distniguish between versions with source packages, I think the issue is -t is trying to set the binary package default release.
• 775[09:26:12] <somiaj> frikinz: maybe apt-get source foo=version
• 776[09:26:26] <frikinz> foo/version as mentionned in the manpage also didn't work
• 777[09:26:41] <phinxy> When is it a good idea to enable /var/log/journal? Found a comment about it being diabled by default
• 778[09:26:51] <somiaj> nevermind, the manpage seems to suggest it refelcts the default-release
• 779[09:27:02] <SirLagz> somiaj: I'm guessing that perhaps if I removed the binary-blob nVidia drivers and installed the debian specific ones, my graphic issue might fix itself then?
• 780[09:27:03] <rant> bottom line is we have long since documented the simple sid backport and the proceedure works
• 781[09:27:10] <somiaj> frikinz: did you run apt update after changing your sources.list? Care to share the output of apt policy?
• 782[09:27:43] <frikinz> somiaj: yes I did
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• 784[09:28:11] <somiaj> SirLagz: the issue is that dpkg has no knoweldge of the binaries you installed, and may overwrite the files it intalled with upgrades. Additionally dpkg has a method for allowing multiple glx drivers (nvidia, or mesa for instance) that the nvidia upstream installer doesn't know about and that could cause more conflicts.
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• 786[09:28:27] <phinxy> Whats the difference between dmesg and systemd.journal?
• 787[09:28:31] <SirLagz> somiaj: right. makes sense
• 788[09:28:51] <frikinz> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 790[09:28:53] <rant> phinxy: the journal contains more than just the kernel buffer
• 791[09:28:54] <SirLagz> somiaj: but then if I go and remove the nvidia-binary-blob, install the deb packages, then still have issues, then I have issues elsewhere don't i?
• 792[09:29:04] <frikinz> anyway, I got my source package, no worries. Thanks
• 793[09:29:05] <somiaj> phinxy: journald is more a cenrtail location of logs for all services, dmesg would only list kernel messages.
• 794[09:29:33] <phinxy> Does it grow large over time?
• 795[09:29:36] <somiaj> SirLagz: look at the package nvidia-installer-cleanup as well, and you may need to reinstall all assoicated glx packages.
• 796[09:29:47] <SirLagz> somiaj: sounds like a task for when I have more time
• 797[09:29:55] <SirLagz> somiaj: I'll just have to deal with not having ttys for now I guess
• 798[09:30:15] <somiaj> phinxy: where are you seeing this sytemd.journal? By default this is a log in the systems memeory, you need to create a directory /var/log/journal for it to be saved to the disk, and be persistance over reboots.
• 799[09:31:09] <somiaj> phinxy: journal ctrl is also a binary (compressed log) so it takes up far less space than traditional logs, but also requires journald to read, since it is a binary.
• 800[09:31:14] <phinxy> somiaj• there was a comment about it in the systemd post install script
• 801[09:31:46] <somiaj> I'd have to see the comment for more context, but sounsd like it is talking about journald
• 802[09:32:02] <frikinz> and.. backported
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• 805[09:34:03] <rant> phinxy: man systemd-journald.service for seeing what kinds of info it stores, see man journald.conf for configuration of it and man journalctl for accessing the journal information
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• 808[09:35:44] <rant> phinxy: a real overly general and not entirely accurate description is that systemd's journal service is like all the traditional logs in one place stored and indexed in binary format
• 809[09:36:18] <rant> its far more than just dmesg / kernel buffer
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• 811[09:37:54] <rant> I loathed systemd when I first laid eyes on it, but they really did create an all-encompassing system daemon that while it confuses the hell out of people familiar with the old way of doing things, once you start learning it, it fills in many gaps
• 812[09:38:17] <somiaj> it also provides a bit quicker way to pull out logs assoicated with a paticular service, as opposed to different info being spread across multiple log files.
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• 814[09:38:44] <rant> yeah and it can quickly find info related to a specific time or particular boot etc..
• 815[09:39:04] <phinxy> Shouldnt something like journald just be a program like any other?
• 816[09:39:41] <rant> phinxy: systemd is the daemons momma.. it does it all.. :P
• 817[09:40:28] <somiaj> rant: I actually like a lot of what systemd does once I got use to it. I still object to all the desktop integration stuff, but I just wish it was more modular by design, as opposed to not having those features.
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• 821[09:42:41] <xz> hi there, I'm on debian 9. Trying to use nautilus 'connect to server' thingy to set up scp connection. I use ssh://remote@host path but problem is that I use custom ssh key to connect and that GUI doesn't support -i flag. How do I connect using custom ssh key?
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• 823[09:43:35] <alkisg> xz: maybe create an .ssh/config file that specifies the key,either "globally" or per server
• 824[09:43:44] <xz> alkisg, that's a good idea
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• 827[09:45:30] <rant> all you have to do is leave the user/pass fields blank, use user@host in the server field
• 828[09:45:54] <rant> if it doesnt find your key, use ssh-add pathto/key
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• 831[09:47:19] <xz> rant, alkisg I've added entry to ~/.ssh/config, that worked fine, thanks
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• 833[09:48:24] <alkisg> np
• 834[09:49:23] <jrabe> RuGaL: hi, the correct package name is oidentd (note the d at the end)
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• 839[09:52:33] <jrabe> RuGaL: if you can't find it I'm happy to help you compile from source
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• 842[09:53:23] <RuGaL> jrabe: I Install oidentd
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• 844[09:53:39] <jrabe> RuGaL: ah, from EPEL?
• 845[09:54:06] <RuGaL> jrabe: No :( i need the apt command of oidentd
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• 847[09:56:02] <rant> RuGaL: apt install oidentd
• 848[09:56:59] <jrabe> RuGaL: for Debian?
• 849[09:56:59] <jrabe> (If not, we should probably move this to the right channel)
• 850[09:57:06] <RuGaL> yes Debian 9
• 851[09:57:37] <jrabe> hmm, that *should* work then
• 852[09:57:38] <RuGaL> is this correct? apt-get install oidentd
• 853[09:57:55] <babilen> Should work
• 854[09:59:54] <RuGaL> Is it also possible i can upgrade my old Debian 8 to Debian 9 ? or I should ReInstall?
• 855[10:01:28] <somiaj> RuGaL: debian is designed to be upgradable, /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
• 856[10:01:37] <babilen> Shouldn't take long
• 857[10:03:25] <RuGaL> I don't know If 3rd party repos will cause problems during upgrade.
• 858[10:04:07] <somiaj> RuGaL: they most likely will, it is sugegst you remove all thrid party repos (and maybe remove thrid party packages) before the upgrade, then reinstall them after the upgrade.
• 859[10:04:24] <somiaj> the upgrade scripts are not designed with third-party packages in mind, and their dependecies can mess things up
• 860[10:05:48] <jrabe> ,v oidentd
• 861[10:05:49] <judd> Package: oidentd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.8-5; jessie: 2.0.8-6; buster: 2.0.8-10+b1; sid: 2.0.8-10+b1; stretch: 2.0.8-10+b1
• 862[10:06:35] <RuGaL> I even don't know what are the 3rd party repos has been install... its been a year since i setup
• 863[10:07:22] <RuGaL> This is a bit problem.
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• 865[10:09:21] <babilen> That problem is being addressed in the documentation: replaced-url
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• 867[10:10:48] <RuGaL> yes i am reading throw
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• 907[11:12:20] <nix64bit> I just added myself to the group replaced-url
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• 909[11:12:40] <nix64bit> sudo usermod -aG replaced-url
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• 917[11:16:14] <nix64bit> used chmod +x /var/replaced-url
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• 920[11:16:43] <sh0kx> why?
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• 922[11:17:07] <sh0kx> which is the output of: ls -l /var/replaced-url
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• 927[11:20:23] <nix64bit> drwxr-xr-x 2 replaced-url
• 928[11:21:54] <nix64bit> why because I am getting a bit desprate
• 929[11:22:30] <sh0kx> with chmod +x you are giving executable permission on that file
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• 931[11:22:56] <sh0kx> ls -la /var/replaced-url
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• 933[11:24:00] <nix64bit> drwxrwxr-x 4 replaced-url
• 934[11:24:13] <nix64bit> base belongs to root
• 935[11:24:31] <nix64bit> drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 Jun 18 2016 ..
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• 937[11:24:48] <aaap> nix64bit, the folder might be immute?
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• 939[11:25:14] <nix64bit> what does that mean?
• 940[11:25:33] <aaap> replaced-url
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• 942[11:25:44] <sh0kx> if your user belong to 'replaced-url
• 943[11:25:58] <sh0kx> based on permission you set
• 944[11:26:14] <aaap> i think the chattr works for file only. not folder
• 945[11:27:55] <sh0kx> chmod -x /var/replaced-url
• 946[11:28:07] <sh0kx> sudo -u <user_belonging_to_replaced-url
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• 948[11:29:55] <somiaj> nix64bit: rung 'groups', did you logout/back in to be put in teh group.
• 949[11:30:16] <nix64bit> somiaj: no i didnt
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• 952[11:30:51] <nix64bit> cant i run source on persmissions ?
• 953[11:31:26] <somiaj> what do you mean by that?
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• 955[11:32:04] <nix64bit> cant i activate the group permissions while logged in?
• 956[11:32:29] <somiaj> not really, this is set during the login. I've seen some quite advanced ways to try to achive this, but it easier to just login again
• 957[11:32:42] <somiaj> you can also just run, login, or 'su - username' in your shell to login again and get a new shell.
• 958[11:33:01] <nix64bit> ok done that let me see if the mystery is solved
• 959[11:33:53] <nix64bit> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/replaced-url
• 960[11:33:55] <nix64bit> nope
• 961[11:34:13] <somiaj> nix64bit: groups, (you in the replaced-url
• 962[11:34:42] <nix64bit> ./manage.py collectstatic
• 963[11:35:17] <nix64bit> replaced-url
• 964[11:35:22] <nix64bit> groups
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• 968[11:36:53] <somiaj> nix64bit: I have no idea what this manage.py script is doing, you need to figure out exactly what it is getting permsions denyed on.
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• 970[11:37:15] <somiaj> ls -ld /var/replaced-url
• 971[11:37:20] <nix64bit> i cant write to it either
• 972[11:37:56] <nix64bit> ls: cannot access /var/replaced-url
• 973[11:38:15] <somiaj> nix64bit: ls -l /var/replaced-url
• 974[11:38:17] <nix64bit> s -ld /var/replaced-url
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• 976[11:38:55] <somiaj> put teh output at paste.debian.net
• 977[11:39:03] <nix64bit> -????????? ? ? ? ? ? index.nginx-debian.html
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• 979[11:39:58] <nix64bit> driving me insane, trying to do a simple static file copy
• 980[11:41:02] <somiaj> Is it really outtping all those ???? in the file permsions?
• 981[11:41:10] <nix64bit> yes
• 982[11:41:11] <somiaj> and you only have one file in the whole /var/replaced-url
• 983[11:41:56] <somiaj> anyways, the permsions you showed on /var/replaced-url
• 984[11:42:06] <nix64bit> it wont even let me list the dir now
• 985[11:42:10] <somiaj> it coudl be somethign else causing the permsions denyed, check dmesg
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• 987[11:43:06] <nix64bit> Out of memory: Kill process 15867 (pip) score 279 or sacrifice child
• 988[11:43:11] <nix64bit> from dmesg
• 989[11:43:49] <somiaj> sounds like you have some other undlying issues cauing problems, such as being out of memeory
• 990[11:43:56] <nix64bit> i am running from a venv for python3
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• 992[11:44:34] <nix64bit> none of this makes any sense
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• 994[11:46:05] <aaap> nix64bit, look like a broken system
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• 996[11:46:29] <nix64bit> mostly everything works fine
• 997[11:46:33] <nix64bit> ;)
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• 1007[11:55:06] <nix64bit> looks like systemd was using the /var/replaced-url
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• 1010[11:59:39] <petsounds> Hi. On a newly created debian VPS, i installed apache. When i visit the address i see a lot of cross domain requests (screenshot replaced-url
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• 1025[12:10:58] <sh0kx> @petsounds that doesn't seems right
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• 1027[12:12:35] <sh0kx> btw which plugin are you using?
• 1028[12:15:03] <petsounds> sh0kx: mmmm idk, i just install apache2
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• 1031[12:16:19] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.
• 1032[12:16:26] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> pqpqpqpqpqpqpqpqpq
• 1033[12:17:17] <sh0kx> if something smells like not good try to reimage the system (reset the vm on vps)
• 1034[12:17:41] <sh0kx> enable iptables and hardenize you ssh access to it
• 1035[12:18:02] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> answer me plz
• 1036[12:18:05] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> i am here
• 1037[12:18:08] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> anyone see me?
• 1038[12:18:10] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> hello?
• 1039[12:18:28] <sh0kx> take a look on /etc/apt/sources.list and see if everything is ok
• 1040[12:18:33] <sh0kx> aftyer that
• 1041[12:18:44] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> sh0kx: hello, can you see me typing?
• 1042[12:18:50] <sh0kx> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
• 1043[12:19:04] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> hello? you blind or something, all of you?
• 1044[12:19:15] <rozie> !ops
• 1045[12:19:15] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 1047[12:19:44] <sh0kx> sudo apt-get install apache2
• 1048[12:20:08] <sh0kx> if you still see some cross-request the issue is not on your webserver
• 1049[12:20:11] <sh0kx> but on your browser
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• 1051[12:21:00] <sh0kx> you could have some adware on it that is contacting some external domain
• 1052[12:21:06] <qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp> i need know how to get shit stains out of underpants before my mommy sees it
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• 1056[12:21:33] *** qpqpqpqpqpqpqpqp was kicked by somiaj (you should know better)
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• 1059[12:24:21] <petsounds> sh0kx: sources.list seems ok, using official repo. Also i tried connecting from different laptop, still see same problem.
• 1060[12:24:36] <alocer> !ops spam
• 1061[12:24:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: alocer complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1064[12:25:09] <nkuttler> alocer: already gone..
• 1065[12:25:29] <somiaj> You could view the source code, replaced-url
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• 1067[12:25:49] <sh0kx> I would reset the VM and start over. Just copy you configuration on local machine if you have done some
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• 1070[12:28:59] <sh0kx> btw you should never expose to internet a freshly installed apache web server. You should first take some precautions and follow some hardening apache tutorial. Otherwise you will be pwned 4ever
• 1071[12:30:15] <sh0kx> same thing goes with ssh access
• 1072[12:31:14] <ix_> I'd like to compile the 4.15 kernel with GCC 7.3 on Debian stretch, any ideas on how to proceed? I've never done this before
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• 1074[12:33:14] <petsounds> somiaj: just viewed the source, and yes no third-party request from what i saw.
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• 1076[12:34:30] <petsounds> sh0kx: did reisntalling once, same problem. idk whats happening, i have other instances also running Debian Stretch running smooth with no problem like this one.
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• 1081[12:40:16] <sh0kx> check security with root user
• 1082[12:40:22] <sh0kx> then take a look on logs
• 1083[12:40:27] <sh0kx> who
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• 1085[12:40:36] <sh0kx> ss -tep
• 1086[12:41:06] <sh0kx> ss -uep
• 1087[12:42:16] <sh0kx> log location should be on /var/log/apache2
• 1088[12:43:19] <sh0kx> somiaj told you to take a look on source code of your page to see if you have some js loaded
• 1089[12:43:52] <sh0kx> make a diff with the original source and see if you have some differences
• 1090[12:44:04] <sh0kx> also apache.conf
• 1091[12:44:35] <sh0kx> apache2.conf I suppose
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• 1093[12:46:12] <petsounds> sh0kx: Okay, i'll do that again.
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• 1095[12:47:15] <sh0kx> ss -tulp will list all services exposed by your vps server
• 1096[12:48:05] <sh0kx> see which are bind to your wan interface and limit those you don't want with iptables
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• 1100[12:50:43] <petsounds> sh0kx: i use ufw, it's the same thing?
• 1101[12:51:11] <somiaj> more a front end to iptables
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• 1104[12:53:38] <sh0kx> never used but yes, as somiaj says is a front end for iptables. So it should be easier to create rules
• 1105[12:55:04] <sh0kx> just be careful to not kick you out of vps ;-)
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• 1107[12:57:05] <petsounds> yes i allow OpenSSH
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• 1113[13:01:38] <petsounds> sh0kx: mmm in apache2 access.log i see several chinese domain.
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• 1115[13:03:26] <sh0kx> can you paste a snippet?
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• 1118[13:05:27] <sh0kx> sudo apt-get install tree
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• 1121[13:06:05] <sh0kx> go on your root apache dir
• 1122[13:06:56] <sh0kx> and launch tree -a
• 1123[13:07:14] <sh0kx> and see if there are suspicious files
• 1124[13:07:41] <JyZyXEL> ix_: backporting GCC 7.x from sid -> stretch does not look like a picnic unfortunately :(
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• 1128[13:13:57] <JyZyXEL> looks like if you wanted GCC from sid, you would also need to backport: gcc-7-base binutils binutils-multiarch libmpc-dev libmpfr-dev binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu nvptx-tools gnat-7 g++-7 g++-7-x86-64-linux-gnu
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• 1148[13:37:21] <ix_> JyZyXEL, thank you
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• 1164[13:51:43] <micw_> hi
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• 1166[13:52:55] <micw_> is there a special reason that debian's clamav does not receive any security updates for recent vulnerabilities?
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• 1168[13:52:58] <micw_> replaced-url
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• 1170[13:53:33] <micw_> seems that at least wheezy got an update recently. but neither jessie nor stretch
• 1171[13:54:37] <awal1> micw_, do you have 'stretch-updates' repo?
• 1172[13:55:22] <awal1> I think updates for clamav and such stuff are provided via that repo (ex volatiles)
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• 1174[13:55:44] <micw_> replaced-url
• 1175[13:55:56] <micw_> no stretch-updates there for that package
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• 1177[13:56:09] <micw_> most of my mailservers still run jessie
• 1178[13:56:35] <micw_> i wonder why wheezy got update u3 but none of the others
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• 1186[13:58:11] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 1199[14:04:24] <micw_> "Note: It is recommended to restart your machine after the installation, so that the virus signature database updates and informs ClamAV about the update." -seriously?
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• 1203[14:05:53] <micw_> awal1, but what do you mean with that link? there's no update/security related information on this page
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• 1211[14:08:35] <awal1> micw_, i dont use clamav or any other antivirus since i have relation with windows stuff. i just talk by memory ,
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• 1214[14:09:18] <awal1> i used a bit clamav under squeeze and i remember updates for that pkg came from squeeze-updates, if my memory is good
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• 1218[14:11:08] <micw_> usually that kind of updates comes from security and comes fast ;)
• 1219[14:11:33] <micw_> for wheezy there's one (from security)
• 1220[14:11:47] <awal1> must go work
• 1221[14:11:52] <awal1> good luck
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• 1223[14:13:05] <micw_> thx
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• 1236[14:21:07] <mikaop> yep! i installed debian 9 and i'm having problems with apt updaye
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• 1239[14:21:41] <mikaop> Obj:4 replaced-url
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• 1242[14:25:45] <mikaop> all okay, i switched to another repo
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• 1245[14:26:36] <BluesKaj> dunno if you have the same problem, mikaopm, butI had to switch repos mirrors to get some updates and upgrades yseterday
• 1246[14:27:13] <BluesKaj> oops
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• 1277[14:49:50] <sh0kx> I'm trying to setup a FDE on Debian 9
• 1278[14:50:01] <sh0kx> I have some issues with initramfs
• 1279[14:50:34] <sh0kx> I have boot and root partition encrypted
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• 1281[14:51:31] <sh0kx> I figure it out with GRUB what I have to do, but still I'm not sure with initramfs once the boot partition is unlock
• 1282[14:51:51] <sh0kx> basically the root partition is on a LUKS inside an LVM
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• 1284[14:52:26] <sh0kx> do you know if have to configure some specific hooks inside initramfs in order to read properly the root encyphered partition?
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• 1331[15:36:43] <iresf> i dowloaded debian-xfce-cd-1.iso then i installed it on my laptop but during installing it couldn't download software and package to install and debian installed without it and now i only access to terminal and no GUI
• 1332[15:37:06] <iresf> how to install some package and sofware to get GUI in debian ?
• 1333[15:37:25] <eck> use tasksel
• 1334[15:37:52] <eck> that will let you install an xfce or gnome desktop the same way as you would from the installer
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• 1339[15:43:31] <babilen> iresf: Which desktop environment (if any) would you like to install?
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• 1341[15:44:25] <iresf> babilen : xfce
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• 1344[15:46:52] <JyZyXEL> sh0kx: if you set up /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab properly, initramfs-tools should automatically include cryptroot hooks
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• 1346[15:47:47] <coruja> iresf, before installing check your apt sources.list for uncommented mirror entries (which will probably be disabled when having had no network during installation)
• 1347[15:48:04] <babilen> dpkg: install xfce
• 1348[15:48:04] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
• 1349[15:48:30] <babilen> dpkg: stretch sources.list
• 1350[15:48:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1351[15:49:41] <coruja> iresf, when sources.list is fine then apt install task-xfce-desktop
• 1352[15:51:54] <babilen> I wouldn't install the task, but individual packages as that allows for a more fine-grained selection later
• 1353[15:52:14] <babilen> judd: depends task-xfce-desktop
• 1354[15:52:15] <judd> Package task-xfce-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, xfce4, lightdm, light-locker.
• 1355[15:52:25] <coruja> user's choice then ;)
• 1356[15:52:38] <babilen> judd: recommends task-xfce-desktop
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• 1358[15:52:39] <judd> Package task-xfce-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: xfce4-goodies, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-mixer, xfce4-terminal, mousepad, orage, libreoffice-gtk2, default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, xsane, vlc, quodlibet, evince-gtk | evince, tango-icon-theme, network-manager-gnome, synaptic, firefox-esr | firefox, libreoffice, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us,
• 1359[15:52:40] <judd> system-config-printer, gnome-orca.
• 1360[15:52:46] <babilen> Just pick what you want/need
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• 1363[15:53:55] <coruja> babilen, btw i wouldn't install the task package either but it's convenient for new users
• 1364[15:55:09] <eck> think about all the megabytes of disk space you'll be saving
• 1365[15:55:20] <babilen> IMHO, they complicate things later on .. but in the end it is up to the indivdual. iresf should have the information needed to make an informed decision now :)
• 1366[15:55:22] <eck> it could be dozens!
• 1367[15:55:40] <babilen> I think disk space really isn't a concern these days
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• 1372[15:59:17] <sh0kx> JyZyXEL: thanks I will take a look on those configuration and I will let you know
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• 1417[16:42:57] <Sbef_BigBlue> ehy guys! i tried to install a package some days ago that needed java 6 to run. i was so dumb that i tried to install java 6, but obviously is too old so the link fives 404 not found (i simply installed java 8 then)
• 1418[16:43:32] <Sbef_BigBlue> the problem is that now every times i try to install anything with apt/dpkg, dpkg keeps trying to install java 6/7 :)
• 1419[16:43:45] <Sbef_BigBlue> and obviously it can't, so gives error
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• 1423[16:48:06] <Sbef_BigBlue> replaced-url
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• 1459[17:23:45] <zleap> hi, I have an option in word press for the rss feed, i am trying to find what link to put in the wiget to display updates from debian.org
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• 1462[17:25:21] <zleap> ah got it
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• 1472[17:42:12] <dionysus69> gpg comes preinstalled right?
• 1473[17:42:25] <zleap> possibly
• 1474[17:42:35] <dionysus69> hmm I dont remember
• 1475[17:42:52] <zleap> you can install it anyway sudo apt install gnupg (i think)
• 1476[17:43:24] <dionysus69> building an installation script
• 1477[17:43:30] <dionysus69> wonder if I need to install that too :P
• 1478[17:44:08] <zleap> one may install the other
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• 1486[17:50:07] <Oberon4278> Are there any Debian ISOs available that are built specifically for VMWare?
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• 1494[17:59:45] <Shmam> My GTK2 applications have this weird bug where menu items have no padding at all and are all smushed together: replaced-url
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• 1518[18:14:27] <Shmam> hello?
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• 1543[18:29:48] <mtn> Shmam: which desktop are you using? which version of debian is this?
• 1544[18:30:09] <Shmam> Debian 9 + KDE
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• 1551[18:31:50] <mtn> Shmam: have you looked at the gtk2 setting in system settings?
• 1552[18:33:17] <Shmam> Yeah it only lets me set the GKT2 theme, font, GTK style toolbar (text after icons), show icons in GTK buttons (checked), show icons in GTK menus (checked), left mouse wraps scroll bar (unchecked), and icon theme settings
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• 1555[18:33:50] <mtn> Shmam: did you try changing themes and the other settings?
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• 1558[18:34:46] <Shmam> yeah I've tried different themes and tried switching the other settings. they will change the toolbar so that it only shows icons or whatever I select but there is still no padding between them
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• 1577[18:45:22] <fasle> I'm on Buster, and flatpak has been failing throwing errors "flatpak-com.valvesoftware.Steam-2553.scope: Failed to add PIDs to scope's control group: Permission denied" and "flatpak-com.valvesoftware.Steam-2553.scope: Failed with result 'resources'" ... I tried reinstalling flatpak, as well as --reset and --user options for every flatpak. I get the same errors for Steam, Krita, and Inkscape. Anyone with the
• 1578[18:45:24] <fasle> same problem? I tried the options google revealed to me, yet nothing changes and I'm not sure how to debug
• 1579[18:45:53] <mtn> fasle: testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
• 1580[18:46:07] <fasle> thanks will try there!
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• 1598[19:01:06] <deepfreez> Hi, I have multi php version and I try to compile php 7.1 with imagick and give me: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-imagick
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• 1600[19:04:23] <deepfreez> I think I found a solution: yum install ImageMagick* , after pecl install.
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• 1602[19:04:55] <somiaj> I think you are in the wrong channel if you are talking about installing thigns with yum, this is debian.
• 1603[19:05:06] <somiaj> go ask in fedora, centos, or whatever yum distro you are using.
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• 1605[19:06:57] <deepfreez> :) sorry, right
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• 1613[19:16:42] <octet> is using smxi still the best way to get nvidia drivers?
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• 1615[19:18:56] <somiaj> in debian you should get the nvidia drivers using nvidia packages in non-free
• 1616[19:20:57] <octet> I had used smxi before, a script that automates getting nvidia drivers. just wondering if people still use that nowadays
• 1617[19:22:13] <Oberon4278> Is there a Debian ISO specifically designed to run in VMWare?
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• 1619[19:23:49] <jelly> Oberon4278, no, why?
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• 1623[19:27:05] <Oberon4278> because I'm having trouble getting open-vm-tools working
• 1624[19:27:22] <Oberon4278> and I thought an ISO that has it already set up would be easier than continuing to mess with it
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• 1626[19:28:34] <jelly> make sure you have linux-headers-$(uname -r), and also build-essential, installed before installing open-vm-tools-dkms
• 1627[19:29:24] <Oberon4278> The first thing you said -- what is it?
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• 1631[19:30:49] <Oberon4278> bash: linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64: command not found
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• 1633[19:30:55] <Oberon4278> so presumably I do not
• 1634[19:32:12] <Oberon4278> build-essential is going now though, thank you
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• 1636[19:33:06] <Oberon4278> jelly: glibc should get me the headers right?
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• 1638[19:33:29] <Oberon4278> apparently not
• 1639[19:33:30] <jelly> Oberon4278, no, installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) should get you the headers.
• 1640[19:33:47] <jelly> also, that's an old kernel you're running.
• 1641[19:34:26] <jelly> might want to patch up that system completely and reboot into the current kernel
• 1642[19:34:43] <Oberon4278> Huh. I just barely downloaded it.
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• 1644[19:34:57] <aci> Oberon4278: Why not open-vm-tools?
• 1645[19:35:13] <Oberon4278> aci: that's what I'm trying to get working
• 1646[19:35:31] <aci> I think the dependecies is alright?
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• 1648[19:36:11] <jelly> Oberon4278, weird. your kernel and headers ought to be at 4.9.0-5-amd64 then. run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1653[19:37:24] <aci> Oberon4278: What is the problem with open-vm-tools?
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• 1655[19:37:47] <jelly> aci, dude, they've JUST been explaining it?
• 1656[19:38:01] <aci> Ohh, sorry missed that scrollback then
• 1657[19:38:06] <jelly> not being able to get it to build
• 1658[19:38:58] <Oberon4278> There we go, now it's 4.9.0-5
• 1659[19:39:40] <jelly> 4.9.0-5-amd64 presumably
• 1660[19:39:47] <Oberon4278> yes
• 1661[19:40:15] <jelly> so make sure the headers for that one are installed
• 1662[19:41:35] <jelly> if they are open-vm-tools-dkms ought to build
• 1663[19:41:46] <jelly> and open-vm-tools get installed
• 1664[19:42:04] <Oberon4278> ok I'll give it a shot
• 1665[19:42:11] <Oberon4278> what's dkms btw? I haven't seen that one before
• 1666[19:42:26] <jelly> !dkms
• 1667[19:42:27] <dpkg> Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
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• 1669[19:44:33] <Oberon4278> okay
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• 1671[19:44:39] <Oberon4278> open-vm-tools-dkms built
• 1672[19:44:44] <Oberon4278> it appears to be running?
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• 1674[19:44:54] <Oberon4278> but I still can't copy and paste from the VM to the host
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• 1677[19:47:05] <jelly> maybe you want the desktop bits?
• 1678[19:47:20] <somiaj> Oberon4278: did you install the guest module dkms package in the guest?
• 1679[19:47:42] <octet> how do I close my xserver so I can generate my xorg.conf via "Xorg -configure"
• 1680[19:47:56] <jelly> somiaj, why is everyone asking questions that have JUST been answered
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• 1682[19:48:34] <jelly> Oberon4278, the package is split into more bits: apt-cache search open-vm-tools
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• 1684[19:48:45] <Oberon4278> I did install the guest module dkms package in the guest.
• 1685[19:49:07] <jelly> maybe you need the -desktop one, no idea. I don't do copy/paste via remote console.
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• 1689[19:49:53] <Oberon4278> I installed -desktop as well
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• 1691[19:50:27] <jelly> I guess if you start X inside the guest it might make copy/paste work? No idea
• 1692[19:50:29] <Oberon4278> Honestly, any solution that will get my public key off of the VM without having to do it by hand would be a win.
• 1693[19:50:40] <Oberon4278> I'm running X :D
• 1694[19:50:49] <somiaj> octet: with a modern xorg you don't really need a full xorg.conf file. What are you needing an xorg.conf file for?
• 1695[19:51:03] <Oberon4278> Wait... I assume I'm running X.
• 1696[19:51:04] <octet> set set a persistant refresh rate
• 1697[19:51:09] <octet> to set a*
• 1698[19:51:35] <Oberon4278> Out of curiosity, which processes should I look for to see whether the vmware tools are running?
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• 1702[19:52:02] <somiaj> octet: just add the piece of the config you need to change what is automatically detected. You don't need to generate a full config file.
• 1703[19:52:26] <jelly> root 1882 1 0 2017 ? 01:22:30 /usr/bin/vmtoolsd
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• 1705[19:52:38] <octet> I dont have a xorg.conf, so I just add the few lines I need?
• 1706[19:53:05] <somiaj> octet: and many will create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-foo.conf, instead of creating a single xorg.conf file.
• 1707[19:53:08] <jelly> Oberon4278, service open-vm-tools status
• 1708[19:53:18] <Oberon4278> ohhh, vmtoolsd is running!
• 1709[19:53:20] <somiaj> octet: but yes, xorg will read the conf file if it exists, and you should only need to include the items you need to change.
• 1710[19:53:24] <Oberon4278> It's running as me, not as root, but at least it's running now.
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• 1713[19:53:49] <Oberon4278> It's running!
• 1714[19:53:56] <octet> I dont even have that config dir. I'll add that then. thanks
• 1715[19:53:58] <Oberon4278> Is service the preferred command for checking the status of things these days?
• 1716[19:54:11] <Oberon4278> I'm used to just ps -aux | grep whatever-ing
• 1717[19:54:25] <Oberon4278> -aux is probably even wrong now, I learned that on FreeBSD
• 1718[19:54:28] <JustASlacker> systemctl
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• 1720[19:54:35] <jelly> it's good for checking the status of _services_
• 1721[19:54:47] <somiaj> Oberon4278: it gives more info than just the program is running.
• 1722[19:54:50] <Oberon4278> Well, right, I figured ;-)
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• 1724[19:55:19] <aci> anyone who use systemctl theese days
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• 1726[19:55:31] <JustASlacker> doesnt everyone?
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• 1728[19:55:56] <jelly> and it works with both sysvinit and systemd
• 1729[19:55:57] <jelly> (systemctl is systemd-specific)
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• 1731[19:57:04] <aci> everything today is docker swarms and junk
• 1732[19:57:26] <octet> buttery smooth! thanks somiaj
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• 1734[19:59:16] <Oberon4278> Holy crap it worked! Briefly! And now it's not any more.
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• 1738[20:01:01] <rmk0> 'lo. can anyone explain to me why adding an interface to a bridge immediately stops networking ... working? here's a little example script: replaced-url
• 1739[20:01:11] <rmk0> the second wget call will time out. the first and third work correctly
• 1740[20:01:16] <rmk0> ip forwarding is enabled
• 1741[20:01:27] <rmk0> there's no packet filtering enabled (no iptables, etc)
• 1742[20:01:39] <rmk0> i've reproduced this on multiple machines, so it's presumably expected behaviour
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• 1749[20:04:14] <JustASlacker> can you test if it works with adresses?
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• 1751[20:04:21] <JustASlacker> might be name resolution that fails
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• 1753[20:04:46] <rmk0> JustASlacker: will try it
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• 1755[20:07:15] <rmk0> JustASlacker: nope, fails with addresses too
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• 1757[20:07:25] <rmk0> i'm pretty sure there's no traffic getting out whatsoever
• 1758[20:08:17] <rmk0> it does stop incoming traffic too, but strangely, it doesn't break existing connections (i'm running the commands on a machine that i'm ssh'd into, and the ssh connection doesn't go down)
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• 1760[20:09:07] <JustASlacker> routing?
• 1761[20:09:10] <JustASlacker> ip r
• 1762[20:11:02] <rmk0> the routing doesn't change when the bridge goes up, if that's what you're asking
• 1763[20:11:10] <Oberon4278> omfg you guys
• 1764[20:11:14] <Oberon4278> this whole time...
• 1765[20:11:24] <Oberon4278> I could have just logged into GitHub ON THE GUEST OPERATING SYSTEM
• 1766[20:11:35] <Oberon4278> and copied and pasted my public key entirely within the guest OS
• 1767[20:11:51] <Oberon4278> now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go bash my brains out against a bottle of vodka
• 1768[20:12:01] <JustASlacker> I like vodka
• 1769[20:12:26] <Oberon4278> So do I, but actually I don't have any right now so instead I'm going to fix a martini.
• 1770[20:12:35] <jelly> Oberon4278, next time, maybe state your real goal
• 1771[20:12:40] * JustASlacker shakes head
• 1772[20:12:48] <loeken> Oberon4278, alcohol sounds like a good solution :)
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• 1774[20:12:49] <Oberon4278> Sadly it will be clean since I have no olives.
• 1775[20:13:17] <loeken> spent 6 hours finding out that i had to press a button today too :)
• 1776[20:13:22] <loeken> cause bad ui :/
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• 1783[20:15:55] <Oberon4278> Cheers!
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• 1787[20:17:34] <magic_cookie> Salut!
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• 1797[20:22:04] <bernat> Hi. I've just installed Linux 4.14 from bpo in Stretch and it enables AppArmor. How do I disable it?
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• 1806[20:25:18] <ChmEarl> bernat, --no-install-recommends <-- prevents that
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• 1810[20:28:38] <somiaj> bernat: there is a boot commandline parameter you can send to the kernel to disable it as well, and you could add it to /etc/default/grub -- I would have to look up the parameter, or you can with google.
• 1811[20:28:43] <bernat> ChmEarl: so simply removing the apparmor package or disabling its service would completely disable it?
• 1812[20:28:52] <somiaj> you could disable the service as well.
• 1813[20:29:43] <bernat> Thanks!
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• 1816[20:31:55] <vvor> With xterm or urxvt I ssh into an embedded box it "gets in" and it freezes after the first command (ls a the dir). With eshell, from within emacs, all is good. Any thoughts...
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• 1818[20:35:01] <xcm> vvor: increase ssh verbosity / `set -x` after logging in
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• 1825[20:43:05] <vvor> xcm: Looks like any command I try a get a freeze. Including set -x ...
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• 1834[20:51:35] <fred1807> I can run the binary systemd-timesyncd and it works. But systemctl start systemd-timesyncd gives me: status=203/EXEC
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• 1848[21:06:07] <Olanzapin> can someone help me out? I am using a realtek 8211ae wireless. I am getting terrible speed using n and ac. In windows i am getting 300 mbit +
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• 1854[21:09:43] <Olanzapin> someone?
• 1855[21:10:01] <rant> Olanzapin: there isn't much that anyone can do to help that. Chances are the drivers suck.. you can look in dmesg and see what may be going on, and you can perhaps try using the windows driver which is a hack that may not work any better
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• 1857[21:10:26] <rant> wifi are flaky devices.. and when it comes down to it you want one well supported by your system
• 1858[21:11:03] <Olanzapin> ok thx guys
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• 1860[21:11:47] <rant> Olanzapin: if its something failry new you can try staying up to date with the latest drivers to see if it improves
• 1861[21:13:32] <Olanzapin> i'm going to install firmware-realtek and see if i get some better results
• 1862[21:14:00] <rant> Olanzapin: if you needed firmware-realtek your card wouldnt work at all without it
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• 1864[21:14:10] <rant> Olanzapin: I have one I'm using that doesnt need it..
• 1865[21:14:34] <Olanzapin> ok strange and confusing
• 1866[21:15:18] <rant> Olanzapin: firmware is required to power the device on and get it to work.. some cards the firmware is entirely opensource.. I have a realtek here that I dont need non-free firmware for cause its really old and uses open firmware
• 1867[21:15:39] <Olanzapin> ac?
• 1868[21:16:18] <rant> Olanzapin: well it may be so that a card is supported by BOTH a free and non-free firmware and the non-free firmware extends the features
• 1869[21:16:33] <rant> but I've never known of a specific case where that is true.. but its a possibility
• 1870[21:17:04] <Olanzapin> ok i will power down and try both methods named her and post results after that
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• 1872[21:17:28] <rant> Olanzapin: look in dmesg because thats ultimately what'll tell you what firmware is being used and whats going on
• 1873[21:17:52] <Olanzapin> how do do that?
• 1874[21:18:01] <rant> Olanzapin: figure out the driver name (lsmod) and manually remove and reinsert it (modprobe) and see what changes at the bottom of the kernel buffer (dmesg |tail)
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• 1877[21:18:24] <Olanzapin> ok! be bck in a flash
• 1878[21:18:31] <Olanzapin> back
• 1879[21:18:31] <rant> Olanzapin: the dmesg command shows you the kernel buffer, lsmod shows you modules loaded and modprobe loads/unloads drivers
• 1880[21:18:54] <Olanzapin> dkms or not ?
• 1881[21:19:14] <bernat> probably "sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware" would already give the info
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• 1884[21:19:56] <rant> well they know the card is working, they are just seeing poorer performance than in windows and looking for a solution to make it work better
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• 1886[21:21:25] <Olanzapin> ow do i use the windows driver+
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• 1888[21:22:34] <rant> Olanzapin: idk if thats even still supported I havent used it in ages, but we had this thing called ndiswrapper that allowed wrapping of a windows driver for use with linux.. which as I said may or may not work or work better.. it was typically only used in cases where there was NO support in linux
• 1889[21:22:44] <rant> !ndiswrapper
• 1890[21:22:44] <dpkg> NDISwrapper enables the use of Windows XP (not Vista/7/8) network device drivers within the Linux kernel (x86 and x86-64 systems only). If a Linux kernel driver is available for your device, consider using that instead; for wireless LAN devices, ask me about <wireless>. To install NDISwrapper on Debian systems, see replaced-url
• 1891[21:23:33] <Olanzapin> USELESS IM USING AC
• 1892[21:23:39] <Olanzapin> opps
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• 1897[21:25:40] <rant> Olanzapin: preliminary search suggests this is a pcie network card.. can you get the specific ID from lspci -nn
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• 1899[21:26:03] <rant> Olanzapin: it'd be a [1234:5678] kind of identifier
• 1900[21:26:07] <Olanzapin> im on windows right now
• 1901[21:26:24] <Olanzapin> i'm going to install and report basck
• 1902[21:26:30] <rant> Olanzapin: oh, well windows can also show the pciid.. but its not quite as simple..
• 1903[21:26:47] <Olanzapin> i'm saving all tips from you guys
• 1904[21:27:08] <rant> typically in the device properties from the device manager you'll have some tab that will show specific hardware info and it'll show a vend and prod id code
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• 1906[21:27:22] <Olanzapin> ok great
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• 1908[21:27:37] <rant> the "name" of hardware is fairly generic.. and can be any of a number of similar devices.
• 1909[21:27:39] <Olanzapin> i'm installing now be back in 30 or so
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• 1911[21:27:49] <Olanzapin> thx
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• 1918[21:34:12] <bernat> rant: he might have an ADMTek 8211 instead of a Realtek 8211.
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• 1923[21:38:47] <rant> bernat: you never know what something is by what people call it even the OS mfgs names for it.. the only way to know what a device is in terms of support or being claimed by a driver is by it's vend:prod id code
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• 1926[21:39:43] <mpo> Are there any KDE and Clementine users here who can confirm that version 1.3.1 does start kaccessibleapp as well?
• 1927[21:39:43] <rant> bernat: problem is OSes dont usually make that information very apparent and they give users a name that really means thoning in a support situation like this
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• 1929[21:41:15] <dutchfish> mpo, on Debian/testing it does. /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kaccessibleapp
• 1930[21:41:26] <mpo> dutchfish, cheers
• 1931[21:41:43] <mpo> That worried me some
• 1932[21:41:53] <dutchfish> mpo, ?
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• 1935[21:42:45] <mpo> dutchfish, I mean it's not clear why kaccessibleapp should be needed by Clementine
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• 1938[21:43:34] <dutchfish> mpo, well, if you configure it to not use scraping for sonngs, pics and lyrics, you can shut it down. However its poxied over dbus anyway.
• 1939[21:43:59] <dutchfish> mpo, and you could run apparmor
• 1940[21:44:23] <mpo> indeed
• 1941[21:44:48] <dutchfish> mpo, i like it, because i have one interface to rule all my streams
• 1942[21:44:59] <dutchfish> (but that is just me)
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• 1944[21:45:44] <dutchfish> mpo, oh, be aware to run the latest openssl from security updates.
• 1945[21:45:58] <dutchfish> (if you are on stable)
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• 1948[21:47:23] <mpo> What happened to opnessl?
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• 1950[21:47:45] <rant> I think it became openssl
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• 1952[21:48:22] <mpo> Yeah, some people like funny
• 1953[21:49:40] <dutchfish> mpo, replaced-url
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• 1956[21:50:49] <mpo> I run daily updates
• 1957[21:51:04] <dutchfish> ok
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• 2056[23:33:13] <ZeroBeholder> I'm hoping to get direction from someone that has used deb-src for apt-src commands... sources.list modified, installed apt-src, updated, upgraded, apt-src install hostapd in /tmp/hostapd installs "wpa-2.4 wpa_2.4-1+deb9u1.debian.tar.xz wpa_2.4-1+deb9u1.dsc wpa_2.4.orig.tar.xz"
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• 2058[23:33:47] <ZeroBeholder> I'd like to use the compile options to add 802.11ac support-- but, not exactly sure where to do that just yet...?
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• 2060[23:37:12] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, apt-get source [foo]/[stable | testing | unstable] then sudo apt-get build-dep [foo] then debuild -b -us -uc
• 2061[23:37:30] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, you nee dbuildessentials and prolly some others like make
• 2062[23:37:43] <dutchfish> need buildessentials*
• 2063[23:39:22] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, another way is to dget -x [foo.dsc] then dpkg-buildpackge -b -us -uc
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• 2066[23:41:44] <dutchfish> replaced-url
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• 2069[23:41:57] <ZeroBeholder> Ok,that is a step I missed with the build tooling (they might be there from previous futzing-- but will check on them because I am not sure), but where would I put the hostapd build options?
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• 2073[23:42:54] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, is this Debian/stable?
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• 2077[23:44:33] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, the buiild options are normally in the rules file, which debuild and dpkg-buildpackage do obey
• 2078[23:44:55] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, as you as you meet the build dependecies
• 2079[23:45:08] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, as long as you meet the build dependecies*
• 2080[23:45:18] <dutchfish> sorry for my typos
• 2081[23:45:51] <ZeroBeholder> No harm no foul, just being able to google about rules files is a ton of help.
• 2082[23:46:18] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, also very helpfull is the debian new maintainers guide ;)
• 2083[23:47:00] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, replaced-url
• 2084[23:47:15] <ZeroBeholder> I'm in the debian/rules file now and it looks exactly like what I was hoping for.
• 2085[23:47:35] <dutchfish> :)
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• 2087[23:47:50] <ZeroBeholder> I'm going to do us both a solid and read fully that link you shared.
• 2088[23:48:00] <dutchfish> have fun
• 2089[23:49:30] <ZeroBeholder> I don't know if you know it-- but I seem to find myself being a liar from time to time. That may take me a few days and I may skim sections that don't seem to apply to anything I may ever do.
• 2090[23:50:18] <dutchfish> ZeroBeholder, but bookmark it anyway, might be usefull. Spoiler: the is tons of usefull info in there.
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• 2092[23:50:47] <ZeroBeholder> Oh, definitely, and I will read it. I just finished ngBook. So it is now on the top of the list.
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• 2094[23:50:56] <dutchfish> :)
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