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19 [00:08:17] <sir_wombat> Hey there. Is there any way to install a current wine on a debian stretch?
20 [00:08:19] <Fearful> I'm using vmware, running debian with xfce. after about 7 hours of run time the desktop tends to go grey, icons disappear, and can' right click. any idea what is causing it?
21 [00:08:28] <Fearful> using open-vm-tools and desktop
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23 [00:08:46] <Fearful> the taskbar and everything else works fine. it's just the desktop
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44 [00:28:05] <rant> sir_wombat: one of those and maybe both playonlinux or winetricks things is designed for specifically being able to build bottles with different versions of wine
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46 [00:29:20] <rant> sir_wombat: its been years, so sorry I dont recall specifically but I want to say it was playonlinux that was able to download any version of wine and let you create a bottle for a specific program.
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49 [00:30:56] <somiaj> sir_wombat: the winehq.org packages seem to be fairly good, I'm currently using 2.20-staging or whatever the current version is from there.
50 [00:31:30] <somiaj> sir_wombat: the winehq.org packages don't integrate into debian as nicely as the offical debian packages, but provided you don't have the debian packages intsalled (for conflicts) the winehq packages seem to work just fine on my system and I haven't noticed any bad issues with using them on stretch.
51 [00:31:55] <somiaj> rant: playonlinux biggest advantage is the download any version, it is easy to bottle wine with WINEPREFIX.
52 [00:32:01] <rant> replaced-url
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54 [00:32:49] <rant> yeah its handy because you could easily test things with numerous different wine releases
55 [00:32:50] <somiaj> I have always compiled my own wine for years, but have been using the winehq.org packages for about a year now on stretch with no issues.
56 [00:33:16] <somiaj> rant: without having to compile each of the versions....I had a manual setup once that did that. mostly because I dno't like how playonlinux does things.
57 [00:33:25] <somiaj> the first being, they give me a gui.
58 [00:33:44] <sir_wombat> somiaj: The installation as suggested on winehq.org doesn't even work. It has problems with dependencies.
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60 [00:34:14] <somiaj> sir_wombat: what do you mean? did you download the .deb or use the winehq.org sources. The winehq.org sources work just fine for me.
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62 [00:34:59] <somiaj> you need multiple packages for it all to work, and the winehq version links both 64bit and 32bit together in a different way than debian. So downloading .debs would be annoying, but using their sources with apt worked just fine for me.
63 [00:35:05] <somiaj> (provided I removed all the debian wine packages first)
64 [00:35:11] <sir_wombat> somiaj: I set up the repository and tried to install through aptitude.
65 [00:35:32] <somiaj> care to share your sources.list or the output of apt policy, and also did you remove all the debian wine packages first?
66 [00:35:42] <rant> I could dig up an old free version of crossover if that's of any interest to ya.. several years ago when GWB was still president of the US they had a lame duck presitendial challenge and said if any of their conditions were met they'd release their software for free till the end of the month.. I grabbed a copy when the gas prices fell below $3/gal
67 [00:35:45] <sir_wombat> sure, hang on
68 [00:36:14] <somiaj> sir_wombat: note winehq.org packages aren't really supported here. But they seem to work just fine for me in stretch. The other option is compile wine yourself (what I use to do for years until I switched to winehq.org packages)
69 [00:36:53] <somiaj> rant: though most likely the newer wine version works better than that older crossover for many of the office apps now. :/
70 [00:37:28] <sir_wombat> I just need MS Office, which should work with wine 2.0
71 [00:37:40] <somiaj> what version?
72 [00:37:46] <sir_wombat> But debian is still at 1.x :/
73 [00:37:49] <somiaj> no
74 [00:37:50] <sir_wombat> 2013
75 [00:37:52] <somiaj> ,v debian-development
76 [00:37:53] <judd> No package named 'debian-development' was found in amd64.
77 [00:37:57] <somiaj> ,v wine-development
78 [00:37:58] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 2.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0-3; buster: 3.0~rc1-1; sid: 3.0~rc1-1; sid: 3.0~rc6-1
79 [00:38:06] <rant> possibly.. and that being said I should consider trying that for my father cause he's been fairly content on Debian for awhile now but his MS Office 2003 is one thing he still wanted.. and I got it currently running on that old crossover and its got a few issues
80 [00:38:06] <somiaj> stretch has 2.0-3
81 [00:38:41] <somiaj> sir_wombat: I ended up using 2007, as that was the most stable with wine (not crossover) on the newer versions. This may have improved, but last I checked was about the 2.0 release.
82 [00:39:08] <sir_wombat> This is my sources.list: replaced-url
83 [00:39:18] <somiaj> rant: the newer wine may work fine, I use office 2007 just fine with wine 2.0
84 [00:39:33] <sir_wombat> basically standard + the wine repo
85 [00:39:41] <rant> that whole mess is one reason I havent upgraded him from jessie yet
86 [00:39:57] <sir_wombat> I don't have a 2007 :/
87 [00:40:01] <rant> didn't know how it'd effect his current setup with office
88 [00:40:14] <somiaj> sir_wombat: that should work, but as I said their packages seem to conflict with the debian ones, you will have to actually fix the conflicts.
89 [00:40:49] <somiaj> sir_wombat: 2013 may work, but when I was looking into it (my deparment has various versions), everything I read at the time (few years ago) was 2007 is the newest version that runs well in wine (without crossover)
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91 [00:42:26] <sir_wombat> trying to install wine-stable gives me: replaced-url
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93 [00:43:46] <foul_owl> It looks like xrandr is not letting me set the refresh rate to a non-integer value
94 [00:44:22] <sir_wombat> aptitude versions wine yields only 1.8.7-2
95 [00:44:26] <hiexpo> Hey all trying to setup go in debian 9 installed it but when i try to run it go command not found
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97 [00:46:32] <abrotman> hiexpo: and which packages did you install?
98 [00:48:01] <hiexpo> abrotman, golang-1.8
99 [00:48:23] <abrotman> and it pulled in other packages?
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101 [00:49:04] <hiexpo> just golang-go and golang-1.8dev
102 [00:49:40] <abrotman> You mean golang-1.8-go ?
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105 [00:49:53] <hiexpo> abrotman, yes
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107 [00:50:22] <abrotman> hiexpo: dpkg -l golang-1.8-go | grep bin .. see any binaries to try?
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109 [00:51:12] <hiexpo> abrotman, okay I removed it so let me install again
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112 [00:54:27] <hiexpo> abrotman, nothing
113 [00:55:38] <abrotman> nothign what?
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116 [00:56:31] <abrotman> hiexpo: pastebin the output of `dpkg -l golang-1.8-go ; dpkg -L golang-1.8-go | grep bin`
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119 [00:58:51] <fredl> hi folks, for some strange reason after rebooting my PC I no longer seem to have virtual desktops
120 [00:59:09] <fredl> And several things in the GNOME settings have been greyed out
121 [00:59:21] <fredl> Any clue what may cause that?
122 [00:59:42] <hiexpo> abrotman, replaced-url
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126 [01:00:27] <coruja> abrotman, you meant -L?
127 [01:00:49] <abrotman> on the first, no. second, yes
128 [01:01:11] <abrotman> hiexpo: that bin doesn't work ?
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130 [01:01:43] <fredl> Oh.... I do know what else I changed, I connected another keyboard
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132 [01:04:15] <hiexpo> abrotman, no and when i type go version i get ~bash: go: command not found
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157 [01:24:45] <hiexpo> abrotman, think i got it fixed
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162 [01:27:06] <donofrio-g5> anyone know who packaged remmina (only ask cause I'm getting an error - replaced-url
163 [01:27:49] <coruja> replaced-url
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168 [01:30:12] <sir_wombat> somiaj: So now I'm using a 32bit Office 2013 with a 32bit wineprefix with the wine out of debian stretch stable. This seems to work.
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180 [01:43:31] <nirakara> hi. i'm using stretch. I've installed python-virtualenv python-virtualenvwrapper and I have done `sudo pip install virtualenvwrapper`
181 [01:44:03] <nirakara> I have the `virtualenv` command available to me, but for some reason the virtualenvwrapper scripts such as `mkvirtualenv` etc. are not in my path
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183 [01:44:20] <nirakara> does anyone know how this might be solved
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193 [01:52:14] <rant> nirakara: idk what that is, but I know you shouldn't have installed it through the package manager and through pip
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202 [01:58:52] <rant> nirakara: I can also tell you that packages starting with python- are the python modules not utilities that work with them
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211 [02:05:07] <nirakara> rant: indeed, it's those particular modules that I'm looking for
212 [02:05:46] <rant> nirakara: right, I get that but my preliminary thought is that you fubarred something by installing it through the package manager and then running pip install
213 [02:06:13] <rant> mkvirtualenv is not found on packages.debian.org
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218 [02:07:17] <rant> when you need a python module you check your package manager first.. and install it from there.. pip should only be used to install something if its not already packaged
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228 [02:15:49] <rant> unless I'm misunderstanding that the pip install command was the scripts and not the same stuff you'd already installed
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281 [03:03:51] <Oksana> nirakara: if that double-install is indeed the reason for fubar, then feel free to `sudo pip uninstall virtualenvwrapper`, and then reinstall python-virtualenvwrapper and then check availability of `virtualenv` and `mkvirtualenv` commands to you
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317 [03:41:34] <FightingFalcon> how do i install grub from windows 10?
318 [03:42:26] <DerLGm> FightingFalcon: you mean have grub bootloader just for win 10?
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321 [03:43:22] <FightingFalcon> DerLGm, i have windows 10 in drive C... I installed linux to the other hard disk. But grub couldnt detect windows so, i didnt install it when i was installing debian. Now i cant boot into debian. it goes directly into windows
322 [03:44:57] <DerLGm> How are you installing Debian and how did u install 10? What formats, partitions, etc
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327 [03:48:06] <DerLGm> FightingFalcon: did you ? replaced-url
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338 [03:59:33] <metastable> DerLGm: Dont do that.
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385 [04:44:09] <[Ex0r]> Hello, could somebody please help me? I just installed debian 9 with no GUI, and I am trying to manually configure my eth0 network card to a static IP address. After I edit /etc/network/interfaces and attempt to ifup eth0, I get a 'inet expected rather than' error
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391 [04:47:12] <[Ex0r]> This is what I am using
392 [04:47:12] <[Ex0r]> replaced-url
393 [04:48:09] <[Ex0r]> Can somebody explain to me what is going wrong? I have looked at about 30 guides and they all say to do the same thing
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396 [04:50:47] <magyar> hi, I'm betting a bunch of these messages when I start virtmanager >> replaced-url
397 [04:50:55] <magyar> s/betting/getting
398 [04:51:38] <magyar> my OS version >> debian stretch with back-ports enabled
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400 [04:52:22] <[Ex0r]> God this is fricking ridiculous. Not EVERYTHING needs to be on auto pilot
401 [04:53:04] <magyar> [Ex0r]: I think the networking is managed by systemd Network Manager
402 [04:53:25] <[Ex0r]> I am using a lightweight install, and network manager doesn't appear to be installed.
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405 [04:53:41] <[Ex0r]> I don't have X or a GUI installed
406 [04:53:42] <magyar> hmm
407 [04:53:48] <mischmerz> [Ex0r], Welcome in the club. Linux has become ridiculous.
408 [04:54:04] <[Ex0r]> According to every document I've read, what I am doing is exactly what you are supposed to do.
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410 [04:54:52] <qman__> [Ex0r]: 249 is not a valid value for subnet mask - you'd need 255, 254, 252, 248, ...
411 [04:55:14] <[Ex0r]> qman__: 249 is the same value I have been using on all of my other installations
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413 [04:55:22] <qman__> it's not valid
414 [04:55:25] <magyar> [Ex0r]: /30
415 [04:56:15] <qman__> subnet mask is, in binary, all ones, followed by zeroes - 249 is 11111001
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417 [04:58:28] <[Ex0r]> qman__: Okay, that error solved (weird it is only a problem on this distro), however now 'ip address' is showing other issues
418 [04:58:34] <qman__> 249 will not work on any system
419 [04:58:45] <qman__> either you're mistaken, or the system corrected or ignored it
420 [04:59:05] <[Ex0r]> qman__: It's working on other systems, so either the system corrected it, or it fixed it automatically. Regardless it's what I've been using.
421 [05:00:17] <[Ex0r]> I do believe there's another network manager installed. Bringing down eth0 and using 'ip address' still shows the OLD dhcp address that I removed
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423 [05:01:26] <qman__> did you release the lease through the DHCP client, or did you just delete the address?
424 [05:01:38] <qman__> because if you just delete it, the DHCP client will renew it
425 [05:02:07] <[Ex0r]> qman__: the client on the machine itself? I removed the line from interfaces that asks it to use dhcp and restarted networking
426 [05:02:34] <qman__> yeah, that won't release it
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429 [05:03:12] <qman__> dhclient -r
430 [05:03:16] <qman__> if you're using dhclient
431 [05:03:25] <qman__> also, rebooting will clear it out
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434 [05:04:04] <[Ex0r]> yeah ,that's what I ran. It's still listing in 'ip address' though, along with the static one I assigned it
435 [05:04:05] <qman__> in future, if you do ifdown first, then edit the interfaces file, then ifup, that will work as expected
436 [05:04:17] <[Ex0r]> that's what I did, it did not work.
437 [05:04:27] <_systemd_is_evil> removing systemd should help to solve this particular issue
438 [05:04:30] <qman__> that's not what you said you did
439 [05:04:42] <mischmerz> _systemd_is_evil, :D
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441 [05:04:54] <qman__> the key point here is that you have to run ifdown while it's still set to DHCP, so that it will release the address
442 [05:05:04] <qman__> if you change interfaces first, it doesn't know to do that
443 [05:05:21] <[Ex0r]> I didn't know I needed to outline every single step I took, I assumed some of it was already common assumption.
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445 [05:05:45] <qman__> you specifically stated that you edited first, then restarted networking, which doesn't release the address
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447 [05:05:53] <[Ex0r]> The first step before making any changes should always be to stop the service/provider then make changes. I figured that was implied otherwords I would have exclusively said it.
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449 [05:08:17] <qman__> that's not always the case, and not even always best practice, depending on the service
450 [05:08:25] <qman__> it cannot be assumed
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452 [05:10:03] <qman__> for example, changing web server configs is typically done without stopping the web server, and issuing a reload command, in order to keep the web server online
453 [05:11:48] <rant> yeah it is dependant on the case.. some things load their configs at start and write back to them at close.. so changes made while running could be overwritten.. I think transmission-daemon is one that does that
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474 [05:41:56] <awal1> How can I "make" a .old file for bash history?
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477 [05:42:23] <rant> awal1: you mean automatically extend the length of the history?
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481 [05:44:41] <rant> awal1: if this is what you are trying to do you set HISTSIZE in .bashrc to a number less than zero and use a cronjob or logrotate or something of the sort to just periodically make .histort.1.gz or such files
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484 [05:47:01] <awal1> rant, sorry, I got distracted. not what I wanted; I already have HISTSIZE=10000 and HISTFILESIZE=20000. I wante dto know how to make a .histort.1.gz, .2 and so
485 [05:47:40] <awal1> ok, so cronjob/logrotate is a way?
486 [05:48:19] <rant> awal1: well logrotate is a package that uses cronjobs to rotate log files in that manner, yes.. I'm sure there are others and its trivial to do yourself
487 [05:48:50] <awal1> rant, ok; I'll look at that, thanks
488 [05:49:03] <rant> if I recall correctly logrotate can not only work on time but also size of the logs
489 [05:50:11] <awal1> and yes, I have seen a number less than 0 in man bash, but not sure which number exactly I cn put for HISTSIZE AND HISTFILESIZE. somethig like -1 ?
490 [05:50:57] <rant> the docs seem to indicate that anything under zero is unlimited, and zero means no history at all
491 [05:51:48] <awal1> not sure, since not able to check instantaneously
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493 [05:52:49] <rant> well prior to bash 4.3 youd have to set the vars to an empty string, after that -1 is fine
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500 [06:01:32] <awal1> ,v bash
501 [06:01:33] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; buster: 4.4-5; sid: 4.4-5; stretch: 4.4-5
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560 [07:27:43] <trevorj> Hi lovely people
561 [07:28:05] <trevorj> For many years I have wondered what the exact meanings are between `-`, `+`, and `~`
562 [07:28:34] <trevorj> I know when to use them at times just from experience, but I don't know what their purposes come from besides their version resolution order
563 [07:29:09] <trevorj> And this has proven elusive for me to find in the docs, but I could just not know where to look to be honest, can you help my curiosity?
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586 [07:56:24] <alkisg> trevorj: hi, read this: replaced-url
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598 [08:02:46] <wr417h> why debian has separate -dev and -dbg packages where some distributions like Arch don't have it
599 [08:03:21] <wr417h> I know what -dev packages are, but why they are separated?
600 [08:04:17] <wr417h> any fair technical reason
601 [08:04:18] <wr417h> ?
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620 [08:17:33] <jolt> wr417h: Contains a lot of headers used for compiling other software. Not used for just using the software
621 [08:18:07] <jolt> wr417h: Because they add extra space. Debug symbols are often not even used for compiling other software, but for debugging the software itself
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625 [08:22:26] <CTZEN> jolt: I know that -dev pkgs includes header files
626 [08:22:54] <CTZEN> jolt: But Arch and Gentoo includes them by default,but not debian?
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629 [08:23:54] <CTZEN> @jolt I know that -dev pkgs includes header files, But some minimal distros Arch and Gentoo includes them by default,but not debian?
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637 [08:36:31] <dtux> is /var/local a reasonable place to make arbitrary directories?
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640 [08:39:00] <alkisg> man hier =>/var/local= Variable data for /usr/local., and /usr/local: This is where programs which are local to the site typically go.
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646 [08:41:41] <dtux> alkisg: im thinking of moving some torrents there (variable data for Transmission?) in a directory called "transmission"
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648 [08:42:36] <dtux> is that a bad idea because transmission might want to put other data there and collide?
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652 [08:45:32] <alkisg> dtux: I assume you're talking about transmission server (web managed etc), not the ui that some user runs, right?
653 [08:49:33] <dtux> alkisg: eh, that's not what i was thinking, but that would make the most sense (i.e. a system service, not for a particular user)
654 [08:50:21] <dtux> in my case, the torrents are for me, but im the only user on this system
655 [08:50:30] <alkisg> I'd put them under /home/username then
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661 [08:54:10] <dtux> but if i were running it as a system service?
662 [08:55:01] <alkisg> Personally I would put data for all users (such as .torrents and movies) under /home/Public or some other common directory
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668 [09:02:07] <dtux> ty
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694 [09:27:27] <jolt> dtux: I try to use /usr/local for stuff like program-related stuff, the binaries and libs etc. If it's data thats changing and not really part of stuff that needed for your system to run, then I would use /srv or /opt. Those are empty by default also
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738 [10:07:08] <ws2k3> is there any tool that can check/monitor hardware raid on linux? i know eatch raid manufacturere provides own tools but all tools also show different outputs/commands and i have alot of different controllers that i ould like to monitor or do i just need to script it all together?
739 [10:09:17] <k01101011> mdadm is the only thing I can think of
740 [10:09:56] <ws2k3> k01101011 i think mdadm only does software raid?
741 [10:09:58] <k01101011> Oh hardware raid hum not sure mdadm is for software raid
742 [10:10:18] <k01101011> yeah sorry
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746 [10:14:45] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Personally, I ignore all kinds of HW RAID and just use mdadm. The largest performance boost you get with the write-back cache from your RAID controller. And I always hated the bugs most firmware updates brought.
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754 [10:19:02] <k01101011> yeah zfs with flavors of raidz is the thing now a days, freenas
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757 [10:21:59] <ws2k3> petn-randall yeah i understand ur point but HW raid is just handy it allways works etc cause the OS just sees one disk
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760 [10:24:09] <petn-randall> ws2k3: I'd argue the other way around. mdadm "just works" since it's been available since the dawn of age in Linux, whereas I've already lost data in the past due to firmware updates that broke the HW RAID.
761 [10:25:18] <petn-randall> ws2k3: And if the controller ever breaks, with mdadm you just pop those disks into another machine and you can read the data. With HW RAID you often need the exact same controller with the same firmware version.
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764 [10:31:00] <ws2k3> petn-randall hmm. i cant argue with that and i think you might be right. but i allways just used hw raid cause its easyer. but you have some good points. will take it into consideration for the future
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766 [10:31:17] <ws2k3> petn-randall also mdadm makes centrel monitoring easyer if you have alot of machines
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778 [10:41:35] <pingfloyd> so handy it does work unless you run the stack the proprietary hardware manufacturer dictates to
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780 [10:41:55] <pingfloyd> s/does/doesn't/
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795 [10:56:13] <darxmurf> fond some files from 2038 on my server... :D
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797 [10:57:50] <darxmurf> found
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800 [11:00:14] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Indeed. Only downside is that the write-back cache isn't used as effectively. For example, when using RAID1 with mdadm, the cache size is halves, since it's keeping the (duplicated) data for both disks. So if your machine is performance critical and already at the limit, HW RAID still might more sense.
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813 [11:09:56] <pingfloyd> darxmurf: did your future self make them?
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826 [11:23:00] <darxmurf> probably
827 [11:23:11] <darxmurf> I'll travel in time to check that
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847 [11:34:43] <High_Priest> guys, how long does it usually take to fix a bug that got into a stable release?
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849 [11:35:37] <darxmurf> depends of the bug :D
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851 [11:35:54] <darxmurf> I submited a bug report months ago in cifs-utils and nothing moved since that
852 [11:35:55] <High_Priest> it's a intel graphics kernel bug not present in 4.9.0.3 and started with 4.9.0.4
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880 [11:58:50] <Wikiwide> Since when does removal of python mean removal of apper and libreoffice?.. I am on 64bit Stretch, yes.
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885 [12:02:54] <trevorj> @ws2k3: something else -- performance can be better when the OS is aware of each spindle, since it can schedule things better that way. eg, ZFS
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887 [12:03:33] <Wikiwide> By the way, upgrading firefox&iceweasel in absence of apt-listchanges fails. Means at least one of them should depend on apt-listchanges (which happens to depend on python3-apt)?
888 [12:03:47] <trevorj> Hardware raid also requires tldr drives for the most part, which means one error and your drive is kicked out of your array(s)
889 [12:04:04] <trevorj> Stats are exceedingly subpar with every hw raid available
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892 [12:05:03] <trevorj> I quit using hw raid a very long time ago after losing data across multiple arrays over time
893 [12:05:13] <trevorj> I'm just good on all that now
894 [12:05:31] <trevorj> Never had an issue with mdadm (or zfs for that matter)
895 [12:06:00] <darxmurf> trevorj: hum which brand did you use ?
896 [12:06:09] <trevorj> name it, I've probably used it
897 [12:06:34] <darxmurf> never ever had any issues on more than 1500 servers with PERC/LSI/ARECA cards
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899 [12:06:55] <trevorj> LSI is what I lost data with.
900 [12:07:02] <darxmurf> weird
901 [12:07:23] <trevorj> too many disks got kicked out of the array at once
902 [12:07:33] <darxmurf> firmware issue ?
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904 [12:07:49] <trevorj> It was up to date, I am unsure.
905 [12:07:56] <trevorj> This was ~8 years ago now.
906 [12:08:00] <darxmurf> ah okay
907 [12:08:24] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Highly doubt that. Can you provide the following in a single paste?
908 [12:08:25] <petn-randall> !bat
909 [12:08:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
910 [12:08:36] <trevorj> What I was left with was silent corruption across some of the pairs in a raid10
911 [12:08:54] <trevorj> I don't know how it happened, trust me I tried to figure it out for three days
912 [12:08:59] <trevorj> lol
913 [12:09:30] <trevorj> Another failure was across a dell san
914 [12:09:30] <JyZyXEL> how do you give Crontab DBus access to a KDE session?
915 [12:09:37] <darxmurf> the only issue I saw was a serious firmware issue that caused a glitch in the data managment and killed the whole array
916 [12:09:49] <darxmurf> but it was like 10 years ago
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918 [12:10:04] <JyZyXEL> 'DISPLAY=:0 qdbus' used to be enough in jessie, but doesn't work on stretch any more
919 [12:10:04] <darxmurf> and the tech at this time postponed the firmware upgrade 10 times :D
920 [12:10:09] <trevorj> It also just silently corrupted in a raid5 array, which I had made the client sign off that they were not taking my rec to use at least raid6
921 [12:10:19] <trevorj> lucky I did that
922 [12:10:20] <trevorj> lol
923 [12:10:26] <trevorj> 10 times!?
924 [12:10:26] <darxmurf> anyway, even with RAID you need backups :-)
925 [12:10:32] <trevorj> oh yeah, we had them
926 [12:10:37] <trevorj> it just was not optimal
927 [12:10:41] <petn-randall> darxmurf, trevorj, can we move the RAID discussion over to #debian-offtopic?
928 [12:10:53] <darxmurf> I'll move to lunch first :-)
929 [12:10:58] <trevorj> Yeah, I'll move to bed
930 [12:11:05] * petn-randall waves.
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932 [12:11:14] <trevorj> ;)
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935 [12:13:13] <Wikiwide> petn-randall : I am doing it in synaptic, so providing 1 is difficult. 2 should be doable
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946 [12:21:26] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: For 1) you can add the detailed summary synaptic shows.
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950 [12:27:08] <Wikiwide> 2 is not accessible because I have already uninstalled firefox
951 [12:27:17] <Wikiwide> And apper, too
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956 [12:29:29] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Do you have the output of the error you get when upgrading firefox and iceweasel without apt-listchanges? I can't reproduce your problem.
957 [12:31:04] <Wikiwide> /me thinks that firefox and-or iceweasel has a line in either purge, remove or upgrade script that references apt-listchanges
958 [12:31:32] <Wikiwide> /me has restarted synaptic a few times, so location of logs is unknown
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961 [12:34:11] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: I'm 100% sure that's not the case. But it's hard to debug without any data to work on.
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963 [12:34:58] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Let us know when you can somehow reproduce the problem again, then you can show us the logs.
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965 [12:35:15] <Wikiwide> /me nods
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989 [12:58:56] <jordila> umh, from my ignorance, regarding LinuX Containers ( LXC ) ... i' trying to figure it out on the wiki... is now Stretch using 'standalone lxc' or the new libvirt library ?
990 [12:59:07] <Wikiwide> Look for apt-listchanges at replaced-url
991 [12:59:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
992 [12:59:10] * jordila ... my guess is.. the latter ?
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994 [13:01:47] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Those settings are set by apt-listchanges, not by firefox. So I doubt firefox has anything to do with your problem (that you haven't shown us yet in a meaningful way).
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1009 [13:22:42] <BanHammor> hmm, apt-get source <package> doesn't work for me, here's my /etc/apt/sources.list: replaced-url
1010 [13:23:09] <BanHammor> says "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
1011 [13:23:11] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
1012 [13:23:11] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1015 [13:23:29] <BanHammor> two seconds, petn-randall :)
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1017 [13:23:41] <petn-randall> BanHammor: Yes, you need to add some deb-src lines.
1018 [13:24:09] <BanHammor> i posted my sources.list in that link, i don't understand what else it wants from me
1019 [13:24:29] <shtrb> ,v intel-microcode
1020 [13:24:30] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
1021 [13:24:31] <judd> 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1; sid/non-free: 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1
1022 [13:24:52] <shtrb> lol , thanks
1023 [13:25:14] <petn-randall> BanHammor: Are you sure you should be running testing when you need to ask those kind of questions?
1024 [13:26:42] <BanHammor> Would the question not arise in stable?
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1026 [13:27:28] <petn-randall> BanHammor: No, but we expect people to know some basics before jumping into beta-testing buster.
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1029 [13:28:43] <petn-randall> !deb-src testing
1030 [13:28:43] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the testing release is: "deb-src replaced-url
1031 [13:29:52] <BanHammor> Cool, thanks.
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1033 [13:31:30] <BanHammor> The error's language seems like a UX issue to me tbh.
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1038 [13:33:24] <antena-cli> How can I turn my headphone volume even higher? I've tried alsamixer, pavucontrol and even a trick with VLC, turning the volume to 200%. But for some YouTube videos the sound is still low. My headphone is connected to my motherboard, and I use Debian 9.3 stretch (stable).
1039 [13:33:27] <petn-randall> BanHammor: It's documented in 'man sources.list', btw.
1040 [13:33:43] <Wikiwide> petn-randall : I was able to purge firefox-esr by now, reinstalling dpkg might have had something to do with that.
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1043 [13:35:05] <petn-randall> antena-cli: You should be able to turn it up to 200% in playback or output devices.
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1049 [13:39:32] <antena-cli> petn-randall: Everything is at maximum volume - replaced-url
1050 [13:40:03] <petn-randall> antena-cli: That's not pavucontrol, though.
1051 [13:40:12] <petn-randall> oh wait, nvm
1052 [13:41:50] <petn-randall> antena-cli: Does the perceived volume change when turning it up and down?
1053 [13:42:03] <antena-cli> Yes.
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1057 [13:43:01] <antena-cli> I think if I could put the volume in 300% it would be good enough.
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1060 [13:45:23] <petn-randall> antena-cli: Something might be broken (HW or SW) on your end. If I turn anything above 30% on my headphones, my ears start to bleed.
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1063 [13:47:07] <antena-cli> petn-randall: Oh, well... Thanks my dude!
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1082 [14:04:04] <Wikiwide> Getting display manager and window manager and desktop to play nicely with each other has to be staff of nightmares. I am currently trying lxdm, it's not as beautiful as sddm though.
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1084 [14:04:50] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Most people just install a meta package and are happy with it.
1085 [14:06:02] <Wikiwide> Which metapackage is gtk2+ oriented? No gtk3+, qt, qml, python (I am being picky), tk, enlightenment, fltk...
1086 [14:06:31] <Iridos> anten… oh well
1087 [14:06:42] <Wikiwide> /me is interested in sawfish and matchbox-desktop, to an extent
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1092 [14:07:41] <Wikiwide> Does synaptic depend on systemd?
1093 [14:09:04] <Iridos> what does it have to play together anyway
1094 [14:09:12] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Both questions can be answered by looking at the package dependencies.
1095 [14:10:15] <Wikiwide> apt-cache depends synaptic isn't sufficient, I would have to see a tree. Aptitude may help...
1096 [14:11:45] <petn-randall> Wikiwide: Well, just recurse all the way down.
1097 [14:12:27] <Wikiwide> Iridos : ideally, standard protocols would allow to match any login manager, any window manager, any panels/widgets, and so on
1098 [14:12:51] <Wikiwide> petn-randall : many branches in a tree
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1100 [14:13:01] * petn-randall shrugs.
1101 [14:13:19] <Wikiwide> Will look at it later, it's midnight here
1102 [14:13:32] <Wikiwide> Thank you :-)
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1109 [14:17:58] <Iridos> I don't see what that does for one
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1111 [14:18:34] <Iridos> judd, why synaptic systemd
1112 [14:18:37] <judd> Packages synaptic and systemd in stretch/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: synaptic ▶ policykit-1 ▶ libpam-systemd ▶ systemd
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1115 [14:19:52] <Iridos> petn-randall, judd can do that kind of stuff… just took me too long to figure the syntax out
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1119 [14:26:00] <darxmurf> hmm is there a way to launch a ldapsearch against 2 bases at the same time ? like -b "(&(dc=blabla,o=edu)(dc=plop,o=edu))" ?
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1121 [14:26:36] <petn-randall> darxmurf: Not that I know of. You can just run the command twice with different bases, though.
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1123 [14:27:40] <darxmurf> ah wait, I can run a global search then filter with something else
1124 [14:27:43] <darxmurf> thanks :-)
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1133 [14:32:46] <tw> (|()())
1134 [14:32:49] <tw> or
1135 [14:33:06] <tw> though it doesn't get you the intersect which is what you want, on rereading
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1140 [14:34:04] <martin-_-_> hi
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1142 [14:34:12] <martin-_-_> can I just rm /var/log ?
1143 [14:34:25] <martin-_-_> the log files should be created after the services are restarted right?
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1145 [14:35:19] <tw> unless the service is badly written, yes. It might not have permissions to create a subdirectory if it opens the log as a non-root user.
1146 [14:35:23] <FinalX> I'd recommend against it. You could technically delete most files, but a lot of them are open by many system processes and would need restarting in order to make them be reopened.
1147 [14:35:52] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: I don't think /var/log gets recreated. Also, rsyslog will likely still keep the files open, so you won't free any space until it's restarted.
1148 [14:36:07] <martin-_-_> hm okay
1149 [14:36:16] <FinalX> And yeah, you would have to take care of the directories existing and with the correct permissions. Many are only created upon package installation and log files themselves are opened by worker processes not running as root, like tw said.
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1152 [14:36:54] <annadane> where's the configuation file in debian to toggle whether daemons automatically get started upon installation of a package?
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1154 [14:37:08] <FinalX> If you wanna get rid of the content of the logs, you could consider truncating the *.log and *.log.1 to 0 bytes and deleting all *.gz files.
1155 [14:37:49] <FinalX> annadane: echo exit 101 > /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d && chmod +x /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d # to disable automatic starting of services upon installation
1156 [14:37:59] <FinalX> removing that file again will re-enable it
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1159 [14:40:16] <FinalX> annadane: reason is that most (if not all) proper post install scripts will do 'invoke-rc.d <service> start'
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1161 [14:41:00] <FinalX> annadane: so by putting that further towards the front of your PATH with the exit 101, it will just exit with "not allowed", basically.
1162 [14:41:56] <FinalX> uh, revision. invoke-rc.d executes policy-rc.d if it can be found.
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1164 [14:42:16] * FinalX shouldn't be doing so many things at once
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1166 [14:45:15] <kryl> hi, do you know a good debian scheduler service or a web interface to crontab ?
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1168 [14:45:53] <annadane> FinalX, is the # required or is that just the beginning of a comment
1169 [14:46:27] <petn-randall> kryl: Why would you need a web interface for crontab? It's fairly straight-forward to use.
1170 [14:46:35] <FinalX> annadane: beginning of a comment in case people copy/paste till the end of line.. happened in the past :)
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1172 [14:47:43] <kryl> petn-randall, sure
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1181 [14:52:19] <converge> Is apt-get remove --purge package_name still the right way to purge all files/config/bin/etc ?
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1183 [14:52:35] <slax0r> afaik yes
1184 [14:53:24] <towo^work> no
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1186 [14:53:43] <towo^work> apt-get purge $package or apt purge $package
1187 [14:56:05] <converge> towo^work, Im purging apache2 , /etc/conf-available is still present, I was expecting purge to delete it all
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1191 [14:58:15] <petn-randall> converge: You mean /etc/apache2/conf-available/? If you have locally created files, it won't delete them. Ever.
1192 [14:58:33] <converge> petn-randall, alright, thanks
1193 [14:59:02] <towo^work> and that directory won't be deleted, if it is not empty
1194 [14:59:21] <towo^work> because many packages put files in /etc/apache2/conf-available/
1195 [15:00:19] <FinalX> it does remove/purge the directory if you haven't added any files there that didn't come from the apache packages themselves though
1196 [15:00:22] <FinalX> iirc
1197 [15:00:27] <FinalX> (but that's ... rare)
1198 [15:01:16] <FinalX> root@3cb7806e6935:~# apt autoremove --purge apache2 -y
1199 [15:01:19] <FinalX> dpkg: warning: while removing apache2-bin, directory '/var/lib/apache2' not empty so not removed
1200 [15:01:20] <dpkg> finalx: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1201 [15:01:25] <FinalX> but /etc/apache2 is gone.
1202 [15:02:23] <FinalX> and interestingly enough, /var/lib/apache2 *is* empty after that 'autoremove --purge', yet the directory still exists.. order of package removal problem, I guess :) otherwise it'd also had been purged
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1206 [15:04:15] <FinalX> yep, adding a custom config caused this: dpkg: warning: while removing apache2, directory '/etc/apache2/conf-available' not empty so not removed
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1257 [15:55:02] <tdn> Is there a good tool I can use to bulk edit metadata inside video files (MP4) such as video title, etc. Something like "juk" or "picard" is for audio files but for video files?
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1260 [15:59:37] <bolt> is there a neat way to fool a program that runs on an interactive terminal to think it's not running on an interactive terminal?
1261 [15:59:49] <bolt> awk, in this case
1262 [16:00:33] <petn-randall> bolt: Depends on how it's coming to the conclusing that it's running in an interactive terminal.
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1268 [16:04:09] <koollman> bolt: | cat
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1270 [16:05:36] <bolt> ah
1271 [16:05:37] <bolt> thanks
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1291 [16:25:34] <mngrif> i'm trying to get kernel version 4.10 and am running sid. it seems like 4.10 is in experimental but not sid. is there any sort of 'backports'-like repo i can use to make this happen?
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1294 [16:29:40] <sdk> mngrif: there's no backport for sid but you can pin package from an other repo.
1295 [16:30:23] <mngrif> thanks. that's what i was about to do but i just discovered there is no linux-headers-4.10 which would entirely defeat the purpose.
1296 [16:30:36] <mngrif> it's looking like i'll just have to roll my own kernel package
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1303 [16:37:15] <petn-randall> mngrif: Just configure the kernel from upstream and then run 'make deb-pkg'. It'll create some .deb packages for you.
1304 [16:37:49] <mngrif> exactly
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1306 [16:39:17] <nirakara> is there a word for 'one who uses Debian'?
1307 [16:39:21] <nirakara> 'debianer'?
1308 [16:39:28] <petn-randall> debianista?
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1310 [16:39:31] <petn-randall> debianite?
1311 [16:39:43] <petn-randall> "debian user"?
1312 [16:39:46] <mngrif> "nerd"
1313 [16:39:50] <nirakara> debster
1314 [16:40:05] <nirakara> "debbler"
1315 [16:40:11] <nirakara> or
1316 [16:40:21] <nirakara> one who dabbles in debian = debbler
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1318 [16:41:54] <nirakara> what's your favourite battery package, laptop-mode or tlp. And do you guys have an strategies for how you care for your batteries (discharge to at most x, don't leave plugged in, etc.)?
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1321 [16:45:15] <petn-randall> nirakara: I don't configure it specially. I don't see much point in it unless you want to "tweak" the lifetime of the battery at the cost of shortening your lifetime.
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1333 [17:06:39] <nirakara> petn-randall: you mean the time spent optimising is time better spent elsewhere?
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1335 [17:07:44] <nirakara> anyone around here use zsh with `bindkey -v`?
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1352 [17:19:49] <kryl> hi, what when I try to umount something and I have a busy error message. I search with lsof and nothing appear :-) I created the mount in order to enter in a chroot (sys/ dev/ etc...)
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1360 [17:27:38] <Iridos> I prefer fuser over lsof … and you should run either as root, else you can only see access as your own user
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1362 [17:28:35] <Iridos> I mean processes from the same user as running fuser/lsof … and there's things like suid root programs …
1363 [17:29:09] <Iridos> not sure in how far a chroot can interfere… guess a container can als hide an access
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1367 [17:38:04] <rant> kryl: the most commonly overlooked thing is a CWD, just a shell sitting in the dir is all it takes
1368 [17:38:28] <Iridos> but that also shows up in fuser
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1371 [17:40:03] <rant> yeah and I'm unclear what was meant by the whole enter in a chroot sys dev stuff.. but if you binded other mounts on top of it that will do it too
1372 [17:41:38] <petn-randall> kryl: You can't unmount /mnt/chroot/ if you still have /mnt/chroot/sys/ mounted.
1373 [17:41:55] <Iridos> ah, maybe that was meant
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1379 [17:47:02] <petn-randall> kryl: I tripped over that problem in the past, too :)
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1381 [17:48:12] <rant> a chroot with proc, sys, or dev mounted offers nothing but ability to run different env (libs, branch, etc), the minimal security of a chroot is mostly lost at that point
1382 [17:49:11] <petn-randall> rant: Who said it's for security?
1383 [17:49:37] <rant> nobody, just pointing out something that may not be obvious to some folk :P
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1388 [17:50:40] <rant> I've run opensim in chroots before and since it needs mono, and mono needs access to proc and dev to work, its no longer any bit isolated
1389 [17:50:51] <rant> especially in light of recent flaws like spectre/meltdown
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1421 [18:09:27] <wr> which driver should i choose for a Realtek 8822be wireless lan 802.11ac PCI-E NIC on a debian install?
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1423 [18:10:10] <somiaj> the driver should be in the kernel. But you most likely need the firmware-realtek package to get the firmware for that wifi card.
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1425 [18:10:19] <somiaj> I didn't look up the details, so this is just generic advise that applies to most wifi cards
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1439 [18:14:50] <wr> somiaj, if it is not on the installer, should i install the package after? would be nice to have internet on install
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1441 [18:16:07] <acidtripper> you need to have a working connection in order to install netinst
1442 [18:16:23] <acidtripper> contrary case you wont get all the packages, and could have problems configuring your net
1443 [18:16:37] <acidtripper> if some firmware o package needed for net missing
1444 [18:17:43] <wr> acidtripper, was on iso, today not on netinstall
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1446 [18:18:29] <acidtripper> what's missing
1447 [18:18:32] <acidtripper> which iso?
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1452 [18:21:35] <zW> Hi debian masters.
1453 [18:21:53] <zW> I have a proc (php application running in a fpm pool) that regularly gives a 'Could not connect to host' when connection to a SOAP service. I verified all network connectivity and firewalls in between.
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1455 [18:22:23] <zW> I see the actual connect: connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(80), sin_addr=inet_addr("XXX.XX.XX.XX")}, 16) = -1 EINPROGRESS (Operation now in progress) when stracing the proc
1456 [18:22:44] <zW> So the connect is ok, but then it throws a poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLOUT|POLLERR|POLLHUP}], 1, 60000) = 0 (Timeout), resulting in a Could not connect. A poll() means waiting for action on a specific fd. But any tips on troubleshooting this?
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1458 [18:24:21] <rant> zW: you didnt write or are familiar with the code on either end? can't contact the upstream developers?
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1460 [18:25:03] <zW> rant: I am familiar with the client side code, not the server side. I can't reproduce the issue on a node that is doing less traffic
1461 [18:25:07] <somiaj> wr: correct. Debian installers don't include non-free firmware. The install guide states how to include it on a second usb drive during the install. You can also just isntall the system from the install medium, and then copy over the firmware after the install. Last debian does provide 'unoffical' non-free images with firmware on them.
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1463 [18:25:14] <zW> So it looks like i'm hitting something
1464 [18:25:26] <zW> Already verified open files limit, ulimits, ...
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1470 [18:28:12] <rant> this seems far beyond the scope of what we can help with. Especially since you seem to have a good handle on it, we can't likely tell you anything you don't already know or havent tried
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1472 [18:29:13] <somiaj> zW: could be your limits, check ulimit -a for the user in question. Additionally for services you can increase the opened files limit using its systemd unit file (systemd deals with limits differentlly than in the past using /etc/security/limits.conf
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1476 [18:30:12] <rant> case in point.. heh. A suggestion that you've already tried :P
1477 [18:30:23] <somiaj> wr: note the debian 'netinstall' still contains a base system you can install without a network on it. Just additional software beyond the minimial base needs a network.
1478 [18:30:51] <somiaj> rant: yea saw that, figured I'd point out the systemd info though.
1479 [18:31:16] <arCABAL> I got a nice vinyl sticker for my laptop. replaced-url
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1481 [18:31:31] <somiaj> I guess another thing is check iotraf or something like that, wonder if it could be an IO issue.
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1483 [18:31:48] <somiaj> arCABAL: nice, though comments like that best left for #debian-offtopic
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1485 [18:32:04] <user0> Hello, i'm new to vps hosting as client, and i need to install php > 5.6.33, me said to upgrade my debian, should i ask to vps provider to upgrade it for me or i have to do it my self ? If last, here is a documentation for upgrade process i only done fresh install.
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1487 [18:32:20] <arCABAL> ok. understood
1488 [18:32:23] <somiaj> user0: what version of debian are you running on your vps?
1489 [18:32:33] <user0> Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1490 [18:32:40] <rant> user0: that could vary based on the hosting provider.. some may give you full access others may not
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1493 [18:33:32] <somiaj> user0: when you say > 5.6.33, dyou mean php7, in debian you either have the php version you have on jessie on that vps, or 7 in stretch. Nothing inbetween.
1494 [18:33:34] <user0> I have ssh acces and power button in html page but nothing else i will ask
1495 [18:33:49] <user0> somiaj: I need at least 5.6.4
1496 [18:34:00] <petn-randall> ,v php5
1497 [18:34:01] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u12; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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1499 [18:34:23] <petn-randall> ,kernels
1500 [18:34:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1501 [18:34:25] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
1502 [18:34:33] <rant> user0: all our current distros have php 7 that vps is way out of date
1503 [18:34:45] <somiaj> user0: still I would varify that 'at least 5.6.40' does mean that php7 would work. Otherwise upgraind to stretch won't help you.
1504 [18:34:51] <acidtripper> arCABAL, are you from argentina?
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1506 [18:35:13] <somiaj> jessie isn't that far out of date, but I guess that depends on what you are use to. There is still plenty of stuff not ready for php7.
1507 [18:35:31] <petn-randall> user0: If you're running jessie you already have php 5.6.30.
1508 [18:35:42] <somiaj> user0: it looks like you are running on a debian kernel, so that means that if you have root access you can 'most likely' upgrade to stretch on that vps following the release notes. I would still ask your VPS first.
1509 [18:35:58] <somiaj> petn-randall: they originally sayd > 5.6.30, so thinking they meant 5.6.40
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1511 [18:36:01] <acidtripper> stretch is stable and have updated soft
1512 [18:36:06] <acidtripper> best of both worlds
1513 [18:36:06] <arCABAL> No, why do you think that? Maybe its better to ansewr in #debian-offtopic
1514 [18:36:08] <somiaj> arg > 5.6.33
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1516 [18:36:36] <rant> I think the user is confused as they said >5.6.33 and >5.6.4
1517 [18:36:44] <user0> Thank you guys i will get some drink then i will ask and be right back.
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1519 [18:37:22] <rant> 5.6.4<5.6.30<5.6.33
1520 [18:37:46] <petn-randall> Perl > *
1521 [18:37:47] <petn-randall> :)
1522 [18:38:14] <somiaj> hmm, what is dpkg language war factoid..:/
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1524 [18:38:22] <rant> yeah I prefer python as my P in any LAMP setup personally but Perl would still be preferred over php
1525 [18:38:49] <somiaj> though I would still be careful, if something is asking for > 5.6.33 and not 7, makes me wonder if the code is compadable with 7.
1526 [18:39:12] <rant> dpkg, start a language war
1527 [18:39:12] <dpkg> Java is more readable than Ruby
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1529 [18:39:29] <somiaj> I find I wish python did some of the varible typing/switching perl did, but I do prefer python over perl.
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1532 [18:39:55] <BanHammor> i love the idea of defining the last element of the stack as "A programming language, but it MUST start with P"
1533 [18:39:56] <rant> I always found python to be throughly duck typed
1534 [18:40:12] <rant> BanHammor: heh
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1536 [18:41:07] <christopher74837> hi, i was trying to follow old wiki article replaced-url
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1538 [18:42:08] <christopher74837> does anybody know if that has been obsoleted by something else, or...?
1539 [18:42:21] <somiaj> christopher74837: just now looking at the wiki, but what is your overall goal?
1540 [18:42:38] <christopher74837> i wanted two fact auth with regular password + something on a usb stick
1541 [18:43:02] <christopher74837> somiaj: ^
1542 [18:43:07] <acidtripper> christopher74837, who's using stable here and why
1543 [18:43:11] <acidtripper> i mean 8
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1545 [18:43:51] <christopher74837> acidtripper: I'm using stretch
1546 [18:44:03] <acidtripper> me too
1547 [18:44:05] <somiaj> It appears bug #740842 is why it was removed from debian
1548 [18:44:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1549 [18:44:18] <acidtripper> stretch for servers
1550 [18:44:35] <somiaj> christopher74837: seems that software is unmatained and depends on outdated methods. I don't know of any equivlant software for two factor auth though.
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1553 [18:45:17] <somiaj> acidtripper: there will be people using jessie on servers for years to come. Wheezy-lts is still being used, and there are ocasionally users in here still using a wheezy desktop.
1554 [18:45:56] <christopher74837> somiaj: ok, thanks. maybe I can install what I need from source
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1556 [18:46:33] <acidtripper> somiaj, yes for servers which doesn't require latest soft could go
1557 [18:46:35] <christopher74837> somiaj: assuming libpam has kept up to date
1558 [18:46:38] <acidtripper> a bit updated, but works
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1560 [18:46:45] <acidtripper> sometimes o choose slackware 14.2
1561 [18:46:57] <acidtripper> well tuned and works great for common use servers
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1563 [18:47:24] <rant> christopher74837: the problem is that the method relies on things that are no longer used, and that the code was unmaintained.. you'd have to either fork the project and update it or start something new.
1564 [18:47:32] <somiaj> christopher74837: you could check upstream, see if they have a version that doens't use udisks and maybe udev more directly.
1565 [18:48:31] <acidtripper> but i alwas prefered debian over redhat, i know howto use it, but prefer slackware and debian from the other server options on market
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1567 [18:49:41] <christopher74837> somiaj: project doesn't seem to be maintained anymore, near as I can tell
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1582 [18:55:23] <DarkSpartan> hello, I need some help with determining what version of debian I should use
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1584 [18:55:36] <rant> I'm somewhat interested in this removable token authentication but I gotta head out now.. I'll look more into it later see what can be done
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1586 [18:56:24] <greycat> DarkSpartan: "stable" (stretch) unless you have some compelling reason to do otherwise
1587 [18:56:34] <Darcidride_> Hi everyoen, i need some help about a thing, do we have a way to configure the 'wait tim' of a FAILED daemon at boot ? (i've something it's normal it's failed because it's an encrypted drive, and it's when i'm unlocking it that it will mount this partition, it's on my fstab and it's why at boot it can't mount it)
1588 [18:56:56] <DarkSpartan> greycat: I'm worried about the Spec Req
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1590 [18:57:57] <DarkSpartan> The hardware on my computer's ancient af
1591 [18:58:11] <DarkSpartan> Intel Atom D410
1592 [18:58:20] <DarkSpartan> Motherboard*
1593 [18:58:23] <greycat> Should work.
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1597 [18:58:55] <DarkSpartan> I have a total of 4gb installed on it
1598 [18:59:28] <greycat> Your definition of "ancient af" is pretty weak. Stretch should run on a Pentium II with 128 MB.
1599 [19:00:37] <DarkSpartan> greycat: Oh ohk
1600 [19:00:42] <greycat> wheezy was supported on 64 MB, but systemd broke that
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1602 [19:02:00] <DarkSpartan> greycat: Eol for debian stretch?
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1605 [19:02:32] <greycat> It's the current stable release, so it should be 100% supported for another ~2 years, then go into TLS (long term support, less than 100%) for 3 more.
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1646 [19:21:49] <Sansar> Hello, does anyone else has problems launching tor browser after recent update?
1647 [19:22:11] <Sansar> tor browser launcher setting looks fine but the icon for torbrowser never launches the program
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1659 [19:30:52] <arCABAL> try launching it from the terminal and see if it spits out any error messages
1660 [19:32:49] <user0> Hey i'm back i can install debian 8.5 (fresh install) from my interface, i have only 1 virtualhost running under nginx so i think it is easier to clean install than upgrade, do debian 8.5 is up to date with php7 ?
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1663 [19:33:22] <greycat> 8.5 is jessie, which is oldstable. it has some php 5.x version.
1664 [19:33:32] <greycat> ,v php5-fpm
1665 [19:33:33] <judd> Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u12; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1
1666 [19:33:53] <greycat> jessie-security has 5.6.33, so after you upgrade from 8.5 to 8.newest, you should have that
1667 [19:35:01] <Igel> ..re jessie/oldstable
1668 [19:35:40] <Igel> has anyone recently bumped to stretch from oldstable? was transition ok? pitfalls?
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1670 [19:35:59] <greycat> replaced-url
1671 [19:36:28] <Igel> i've done it with a laptop, i was following testing.. everything went fine. but this box im on now is due..
1672 [19:36:38] <Igel> thanks gc
1673 [19:36:53] <user0> how can i upgrade from jessie to an updated version is there a guide ?
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1676 [19:37:06] <greycat> !tell user0 about jessie->stretch
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1698 [19:52:10] <DammitJim> I realize this might not be a debian question, but maybe you guys can point me to the right channel
1699 [19:52:25] <DammitJim> I have a debian server with an older GEForce GT 120 that has DVI output
1700 [19:52:41] <DammitJim> my 7 y/o TV died and I had the server connected via DVI
1701 [19:52:59] <DammitJim> if I get a 4K TV, can I just use a DVI->HDMI adapter to connect to the new TV?
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1703 [19:54:04] <shtrb> It should work if it will be identified
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1705 [19:55:14] <BluesKaj> DammitJim: most likely it will work up to 1920x1080, but doubt the gpu can handle 4K
1706 [19:55:25] <DammitJim> BluesKaj,
1707 [19:55:26] <shtrb> the connector cost something like ~$20 but not all monitors will work
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1709 [19:55:36] <DammitJim> I guess as long as I can see something, I should be good
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1711 [19:55:46] <DammitJim> I am running Kodi
1712 [19:56:22] <DammitJim> it's unbelievable... can't find regular HDTVs
1713 [19:56:25] <DammitJim> everything is 4K
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1716 [19:57:18] <shtrb> You can also use a usb to HDMI if it does not work (displaylink or any other)
1717 [19:57:40] <DammitJim> usb? really? wow
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1719 [19:57:59] <algun|home> Hi, I'm using buster/sid, and my desktop's not loading in its entirety. I see the icons and I can click them, but not manage them. The apps open, but they're chromeless. There's no desktop background, there's no GNOME menu. I thought maybe an upgrade failed, so I did apt-get upgrade and indeed there were downloaded but uninstalled packages, but after that was all done I rebooted and I still have the
1720 [19:58:05] <algun|home> same problem. Please advise
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1722 [19:59:29] <shtrb> DammitJim, something like this replaced-url
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1724 [19:59:36] <algun|home> shtrb: he's gone
1725 [19:59:47] <algun|home> shtrb: but I am here
1726 [20:00:53] <shtrb> algun|home, you might need to do dist-upgrade but other than that #gnome and #debian-next at oftc
1727 [20:01:07] <shtrb> If you don't get enough help here
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1730 [20:02:26] <algun|home> shtrb, This probably isn't a gnome thing, and I intentionally ask here. Thanks for the dist-upgrade suggestion but that's 0 pkgs, already tried
1731 [20:03:15] <algun|home> shtrb: you wouldn't happen to know how you switch channels in irssi?
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1733 [20:03:41] <algun|home> I usually use alt+arrow, but that doesn't work on the shell (switches shells)
1734 [20:03:48] <algun|home> *outside of a GUI
1735 [20:03:54] <shtrb> join or alt-window number ?
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1737 [20:05:04] <algun|home> shtrb: join didn't do it, but alt+nr does, thanks
1738 [20:05:33] <algun|home> shtrb: hmm, join does it, it's just there's no #debian-next
1739 [20:05:37] <tw> esc-number
1740 [20:05:46] <shtrb> algun|home, at OFTC network
1741 [20:05:49] <algun|home> tw: thx for your contrib
1742 [20:06:00] <algun|home> shtrb: oh...
1743 [20:06:22] <algun|home> i guess that's a big part of the reason why
1744 [20:08:43] <algun|home> tw: shtrb: sorry for my irssi support questions, but how do I switch to OFTC (I'm connected) without leaving freenode. Right now, it wants to join channels on freenode
1745 [20:09:02] <tw> ctrl-x in the server window.
1746 [20:09:02] <greycat> "/con oftc" assuming oftc is configured already
1747 [20:09:12] <greycat> oh, sorry, already connected.
1748 [20:09:25] <shtrb> /connect oftc and switch
1749 [20:09:33] <greycat> "/j -oftc #debian-next" to join a channel on a specific server
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1751 [20:10:10] <algun|home> ok now i need to sever one oftc connection...
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1753 [20:10:37] <algun|home> ah, /disconnect OFTC
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1755 [20:11:08] <shtrb> irc.oftc.net
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1759 [20:12:39] <algun|home> thanks yall
1760 [20:12:56] <algun|home> greycat: seems you're in a good mood today?
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1763 [20:13:54] <algun|home> haven't talked with you for some time, so I may be out of the loop
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1765 [20:15:24] <algun|home> ah, there's that familiar silence XD
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1767 [20:16:07] <shtrb> #debian-offtopic ?
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1773 [20:21:03] <Darcidride_> Hi everyoen, i need some help about a thing, do we have a way to configure the 'wait tim' of a FAILED daemon at boot ? (i've something it's normal it's failed because it's an encrypted drive, and it's when i'm unlocking it that it will mount this partition, it's on my fstab and it's why at boot it can't mount it)
1774 [20:21:50] <greycat> If it doesn't need to be mounted at boot, there are options you can set in fstab. Like "noauto".
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1776 [20:22:08] <somiaj> you can also set nofail to make it so your system will still boot if it doens't mount.
1777 [20:22:19] <greycat> Or "nofail".
1778 [20:22:31] <Darcidride_> nofail seems perfect, im going to try it
1779 [20:22:44] <somiaj> if you need better timing to ensure it is mounted at boot, create a systemd mount unit to better control when it is mounted.
1780 [20:23:02] <somiaj> fstab is kinda all processed at once and turned into mount units using 'best guesses'
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1782 [20:23:41] <shtrb> Darcidride_, If that luks you can use crypttab to ask for the password
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1785 [20:24:16] <Darcidride_> oh.. well... the 'nofail' is already set in the fstab and when im booting it waits 1m30 because it's in state "failed"
1786 [20:24:17] <JeevesMoss> how do I recover GRUB2 if the root drive is a LVM?
1787 [20:24:58] <Darcidride_> somiaj, greycat, my actual fstab : /dev/disk/by-id/md-name-NAS01:RAID5data /srv/dev-disk-by-id-md-name-NAS01-RAID5data ext4 defaults,nofail,user_xattr,noexec,usrjquota=aquota.user,grpjquota=aquota.group,jqfmt=vfsv0,acl 0 2
1788 [20:25:22] <Darcidride_> im going to try with noauto
1789 [20:25:50] <somiaj> you will have to manually mount it later if you want it mounted in that case though.
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1791 [20:26:07] <Darcidride_> somiaj, yes, actually i manually mount it when boot is dne
1792 [20:26:21] <Darcidride_> i just not want to wast 1m30s at each boot for something i know
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1794 [20:26:45] <Darcidride_> don't want*
1795 [20:26:59] <finuit> how do i configure gnome to treat left-mod ("win key") the same as right mod, to show the launcher?
1796 [20:27:06] <Darcidride_> Ok perfect, with nofail+noauto i don't wait 1m30 at each boot
1797 [20:27:53] <Darcidride_> JeevesMoss, i think you should install again the grub2 ext2 partition, it's not a big deal, it's easy and will autodétect the LVM boot partition
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1800 [20:28:31] <DarkSpartan> need some help with dd
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1804 [20:29:47] <DarkSpartan> hello?
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1807 [20:30:14] <mikeymop> DarkSpartan: just ask the question
1808 [20:30:17] <Darcidride_> finuit, keyboard parameters > tweaks tool > keyboard and mouse > additionnal layout options > alt/win key behaviour
1809 [20:30:28] <DarkSpartan> ohk, apologies
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1811 [20:30:58] <DarkSpartan> I once flashed kali linux onto my usb
1812 [20:31:02] <DarkSpartan> using dd
1813 [20:31:18] <DarkSpartan> And now, I'm seeing two partitions on the usb
1814 [20:31:21] <Darcidride_> A question please DarkSpartan
1815 [20:31:46] <DarkSpartan> Look up?
1816 [20:32:02] <DarkSpartan> How do i get rid of these partitions?
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1828 [20:32:49] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, why do you want to get rid of them?
1829 [20:33:00] <Brigo> are you sure they are not needed for kali?
1830 [20:33:05] <DarkSpartan> I'd like to install debian stretch onto my pc
1831 [20:33:21] <Darcidride_> I think it's normal, dd command line tool extract the iso and put it in the path you tell him, the 2 partitions are surely normal
1832 [20:33:27] <Brigo> with that usb stick?
1833 [20:33:33] <Darcidride_> or you already had 2 partitions in this usb key and you nned to format it before the dd to be sure
1834 [20:34:05] <DarkSpartan> dd created these two partitions
1835 [20:34:24] <Darcidride_> DarkSpartan, if you're not familiar with 'dd' you can use a free/libre tool like 'Etcher' replaced-url
1836 [20:34:52] <Darcidride_> If dd created these partitions, it's a normal behaviour, i suppose
1837 [20:35:14] <DarkSpartan> I'd like to flash the iso onto that usb, but idk which one i should choose
1838 [20:35:24] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, FYI, if you install debian in that usb you will lose all the information.
1839 [20:35:34] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, the debian iso?
1840 [20:35:43] <DarkSpartan> aye, the debian iso
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1842 [20:36:00] <DarkSpartan> I don't need the info stored on the usb
1843 [20:36:01] <Brigo> you don't have to choose, you dd it in the disk not in a partition.
1844 [20:36:05] <darkhanb> In .service files, should I specify a full path to binaries? or just the command suffices? For example: ExecStartPre=/bin/mkdir vs ExecStartPre=mkdir
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1846 [20:36:23] <Brigo> for exampl, dd output=/dev/sdb no /dev/sdb1
1847 [20:36:30] <s00x> hey, where to look to debug mounting devices. When I use veracrypt, it logs me out (but device is being mounted). The same with unmount
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1849 [20:36:56] <DarkSpartan> Brigo: can I pm?
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1851 [20:37:22] <DarkSpartan> you?
1852 [20:37:23] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, you may, buy you shouldn't.
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1854 [20:37:48] <DarkSpartan> apologies for my poor English
1855 [20:37:58] <DarkSpartan> I wanted to pm you
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1857 [20:38:20] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, as i said, you can, but it is not a good idea.
1858 [20:38:32] <DarkSpartan> ohk
1859 [20:38:36] <Brigo> if you write here more people could read you and help
1860 [20:38:51] <DarkSpartan> kk
1861 [20:38:56] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, but if you want, i have no problem.
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1863 [20:39:07] <DarkSpartan> ohk
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1865 [20:40:07] <DarkSpartan> sudo fdisk -l gives me /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2
1866 [20:41:08] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, if you are sure that is the disk then use /dev/sdb.
1867 [20:41:20] <DarkSpartan> aight, thanks
1868 [20:41:31] <Brigo> /dev/sdb means the whole disk, /dev/sdb1 the first partition and so on.
1869 [20:41:31] <DarkSpartan> yeah, that's the disk
1870 [20:41:50] <Brigo> you have to dd or just cp the partition the the whole disk.
1871 [20:42:13] <Brigo> cp debian.iso /dev/sdb will work too.
1872 [20:42:19] <AlexPortable> I downloaded a program, but now when executing it I get No such file or directory
1873 [20:42:26] <Brigo> just make sure /dev/sdb is the right disk :)
1874 [20:42:39] <Brigo> AlexPortable, is it executable ?
1875 [20:42:51] <DarkSpartan> ok, thanks for the help, Brigo
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1877 [20:43:04] <Brigo> DarkSpartan, np, good luck :)
1878 [20:43:12] <DarkSpartan> thanks
1879 [20:43:29] <DarkSpartan> Tbh, I've never tried cp
1880 [20:43:55] <DarkSpartan> I'll try the command you gave me
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1883 [20:45:23] <s00x> anyone here using veracrypt?
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1885 [20:46:16] <annadane> !anyone
1886 [20:46:16] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1887 [20:46:23] <annadane> ,v veracrypt
1888 [20:46:24] <judd> No package named 'veracrypt' was found in amd64.
1889 [20:46:27] <annadane> hmm
1890 [20:46:28] <AlexPortable> Brigo: i made it executable
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1892 [20:47:42] <s00x> annadane: I asked specified question like 10-15 mins ago, noone answered
1893 [20:47:42] <Brigo> AlexPortable, try with a leading ./ as ./myexecutable
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1895 [20:48:11] <Brigo> s00x, your first question was good, not this one.
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1897 [20:48:46] <Brigo> s00x, i would ask in veracrypts chats or forums if i were you.
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1899 [20:49:56] <AlexPortable> Brigo: doesnt work
1900 [20:50:10] <Brigo> AlexPortable, any message?
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1902 [20:50:31] <AlexPortable> ah wrong architecture
1903 [20:50:49] <Brigo> which one?
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1907 [20:52:32] <wh0rd> php
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1919 [20:59:34] <Megaf> Folks, I think I found a bug that affects all updated Debians from Jessie
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1921 [21:00:11] <Megaf> Basically, when you run out of memory, still technically having 1 GB free if you don't consider cache, the system ill begin to trash IO
1922 [21:00:25] <Megaf> all comes to a total halt and IO goes crazy
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1924 [21:00:39] <Megaf> swap is not touched and OOM killed is never called
1925 [21:00:53] <Megaf> understandebly since there's sill 1 GB free
1926 [21:01:02] <Megaf> though, occupied by cache
1927 [21:01:27] <Megaf> it happens with Kernel 3.x and 4.x on Debian 8 and 9
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1929 [21:01:56] <Megaf> Only way out of this is hard reset. I tried to wait it out overnight already, no luck
1930 [21:02:05] <Megaf> IO trashing the whole time
1931 [21:02:26] <Megaf> maybe a race condition between caching and dropping cache?
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1933 [21:03:32] <Brigo> Megaf, if you can reproduce it, i would fill a bug.
1934 [21:03:54] <Megaf> Can you point me to where I should fill a bug?
1935 [21:03:57] <AlexPortable> Where is the command lslogin
1936 [21:04:00] <AlexPortable> lslogins
1937 [21:04:02] <Megaf> And no idea which package to blame
1938 [21:04:02] <AlexPortable> what package is it part of
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1941 [21:04:58] <rozie_> Megaf: it's kernel, but you need to provied more details
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1943 [21:05:53] <Brigo> AlexPortable, util-linux: /usr/bin/lslogins
1944 [21:06:10] <Megaf> rozie: what kind of details?
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1946 [21:06:36] <Megaf> I can tested in two laptops
1947 [21:06:41] <Megaf> it affects Sid too
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1949 [21:07:01] <AlexPortable> Brigo: not there
1950 [21:07:07] <AlexPortable> -bash: /usr/bin/lslogins: No such file or directory
1951 [21:07:15] <AlexPortable> apt-get install util-linux -> util-linux is already the newest version.
1952 [21:07:23] <Brigo> AlexPortable, is util-linux installed?
1953 [21:07:28] <AlexPortable> ys
1954 [21:07:39] <Brigo> AlexPortable, which version? which debian version are you using?
1955 [21:07:51] <AlexPortable> how to find out?
1956 [21:08:08] <Brigo> cat /etc/debian_version
1957 [21:08:14] <AlexPortable> 8.9
1958 [21:08:21] <Brigo> for util-linux dpkg -l util-linux
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1960 [21:08:58] <greycat> maybe you need to reinstall the util-linux package
1961 [21:09:02] <AlexPortable> ii util-linux 2.25.2-6 amd64 Miscellaneous system utilities
1962 [21:09:02] <Brigo> i am with debian 9, maybe is not in Jessie package.
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1964 [21:09:15] <Brigo> ,v util-linux
1965 [21:09:16] <judd> Package: util-linux on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.20.1-5.3; jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.29.2-1; buster: 2.30.2-0.3; sid: 2.30.2-0.3
1966 [21:09:39] <greycat> ,file usr/bin/lslogins --release jessie
1967 [21:09:44] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
1968 [21:09:49] <greycat> ,file /usr/bin/lslogins --release jessie
1969 [21:09:52] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
1970 [21:09:57] <greycat> (?)
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1972 [21:10:28] <Brigo> greycat, as i said, maybe it is not in Jessie package.
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1974 [21:10:47] <greycat> yeah, I don't see it on replaced-url
1975 [21:10:47] <Brigo> ,file usr/bin/lslogins --release stretch
1976 [21:10:51] <judd> Search for usr/bin/lslogins in stretch/amd64: util-linux: usr/bin/lslogins
1977 [21:11:24] <Brigo> and there is no backport either.
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1982 [21:15:41] <AlexPortable> so its not in 8?
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1984 [21:16:10] <greycat> definitely not in the util-linux package in 8 (jessie)
1985 [21:16:17] <martopoulos> since Nagios 3/4 are completely unpackaged in stretch, is there a monitoring suite that Debian recommends...?
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1987 [21:17:37] <Brigo> martopoulos, what about icinga?
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1989 [21:18:27] <martopoulos> based on Nagios - interesting
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2003 [21:33:55] <shtrb> ,v spectre-meltdown-checker
2004 [21:33:56] <judd> Package: spectre-meltdown-checker on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 0.31-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.31-1; sid: 0.32-1
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2011 [21:40:02] <xgpt> Looking for suggestions for non-raspberry-pi (they're too expensive compared to alternatives) single board computers, I want something that's just as highly reliable as a raspberry pi, and I'm willing to take significant performance cuts to have it, I want to spend as little as possible on this board as possible, and I want a "Just works" experience, just like installing the most popular operating systems on
2012 [21:40:08] <xgpt> the raspberry pi would get me. Suggestions?
2013 [21:40:11] <xgpt> Looking for suggestions for non-raspberry-pi (they're too expensive compared to alternatives) single board computers, I want something that's just as highly reliable as a raspberry pi, and I'm willing to take significant performance cuts to have it, I want to spend as little as possible on this board as possible, and I want a "Just works" experience, just like installing the most popular operating systems on
2014 [21:40:17] <xgpt> the raspberry pi would get me. Suggestions?
2015 [21:40:24] <xgpt> Anyone running debian or a debian offshoot on a non-raspberry pi and enjoying it / finding it highly stable and feature filled?
2016 [21:40:50] <shtrb> Does anyone have installed spectre-meltdown-checker and can say if the recent kernel are declared NOT VULNERABLE ?
2017 [21:41:43] <greycat> There isn't a "recent kernel".
2018 [21:42:04] <greycat> The stable one shows a build date of 2018-01-04.
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2025 [21:49:42] <mpo> Guys, what could possibly be the reason for stunnel not wanting to work as expected? replaced-url
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2031 [21:55:54] <mpo> Oh, there is #796776
2032 [21:55:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2033 [21:56:13] <mpo> Oh, nice bot-bot!
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2036 [22:01:18] <mpo> So, what do I do next, folks? File a new bug, compile a new package and send it to the maintainer?
2037 [22:01:52] <greycat> If there's already an existing bug, you can add information to that. Don't open a new one.
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2039 [22:02:50] <mpo> And send in the compiled package? Not much has changed in two and a half years there.
2040 [22:03:13] <greycat> A patch would be OK. Sending a compiled binary sounds bad.
2041 [22:03:17] <mpo> Does nobody use stunnel here?
2042 [22:03:22] <greycat> Probably not.
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2045 [22:04:02] <mpo> mmh
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2048 [22:05:24] <nbah> i'm unable to use tty1-6 because the screen freezes on current GUI (X on tty7). It works only when nomodeset param is in /etc/default/grub accordingly. But then login manager doesn't startup. How to access VT by correcting the kernel issue or installing proper drivers? NOT nvidia, it's netbook Intel Atom
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2050 [22:06:42] <RoyK> nbah: ctrl+alt+f1 may help
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2053 [22:07:37] <annadane> i thought ctrl alt f1 was tty 1?
2054 [22:07:53] <nbah> indeed
2055 [22:08:07] <annadane> just wondering what the logic behind that is
2056 [22:08:10] <converge> I can login remotely on my local network, but when I try to login outside my network, it always says permission denied, anyone knows what could be wrong ?
2057 [22:08:29] <RoyK> annadane: it is - just saying, since alt+f1 don't always work
2058 [22:08:51] <RoyK> annadane, nbah: no offence
2059 [22:09:25] <nbah> annadane: so kernel graphics doesn't load, it uses bios vga until X is loaded
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2061 [22:12:43] <RoyK> nbah: normally it uses framebuffer
2062 [22:14:01] <nbah> know little about it. can it be done?
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2066 [22:16:38] <nbah> other than 'nomodeset' ?
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2079 [22:24:36] <RoyK> nbah: there are some modeset hacks - can't remember them atm - but nomodeset didn't work last time I had that issue
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2081 [22:25:11] <RoyK> nbah: iirc forcing something like 640x480 moved it back to standard vga - this was some years back, though
2082 [22:25:39] * RoyK had issues setting up linux on hyper-v v1 (or v0.1 which should have been the version)
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2090 [22:27:42] <aci> from/in
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2106 [22:41:43] <nbah> RoyK: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT could be empty then, instead of vga=791/788 ?
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2111 [22:46:53] <RoyK> nbah: sorry - don't remember - and what I wrote on the subject was in a wiki somewhere I worked eight years back
2112 [22:47:11] <RoyK> btw - "update-command-not-found" doesn't seem to be working too well - any ideas? replaced-url
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2135 [23:11:34] <Sbef_BigBlue> ehy guys! my grandpa is still using a pentium 166 mhz ahahahahah
2136 [23:11:56] <Sbef_BigBlue> and, well, is debian is pretty much outdated
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2138 [23:12:18] <Sbef_BigBlue> obviously i don't think that debian is still supporting non-mmx cpus, am i right?
2139 [23:12:30] <greycat> If it's a Pentium, not a Pentium II, then you might not be able to run the current release on it.
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2141 [23:12:43] <Sbef_BigBlue> ehy greycat !
2142 [23:12:44] <greycat> I know there's a crossover point somewhere in between. Pentium MMX?
2143 [23:13:04] <Sbef_BigBlue> yeah i think so too. i don't think it is a pentiu mmx. though
2144 [23:13:41] <Sbef_BigBlue> so let's use jessie?
2145 [23:14:51] <Sbef_BigBlue> btw, fun fact:
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2147 [23:15:28] <Sbef_BigBlue> is since the P6 architecture, so pentium pro /mmx and later, that we got the dear old meltdown and spectre problems
2148 [23:15:43] <Sbef_BigBlue> so debian just dropped support to the only secure x86 cpus eheheheh
2149 [23:16:11] <greycat> replaced-url
2150 [23:16:23] <greycat> "jessie will not run on 486 or earlier processors"
2151 [23:16:43] <Sbef_BigBlue> greycat: ok all pentiums should be i586
2152 [23:16:46] <greycat> replaced-url
2153 [23:16:51] <greycat> "stretch will not run on 586 (Pentium) or earlier processors"
2154 [23:16:59] <Sbef_BigBlue> perfect
2155 [23:17:33] <Sbef_BigBlue> so i'll use jessie. it should be doing fine
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2157 [23:17:55] <Sbef_BigBlue> btw, how cool is a man with a pentium 1 in 2018
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2159 [23:18:39] <greycat> Not very.
2160 [23:19:22] <greycat> If he's planning to use a web browser, I would buy a newer computer.
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2164 [23:25:31] <volga629_> Hello Everyone, iscsi report error -16
2165 [23:25:33] <volga629_> replaced-url
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2171 [23:25:54] <volga629_> how to find out what issue
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2181 [23:35:55] <Meavo> Hello
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2185 [23:38:14] <Meavo> Noones answering eh?
2186 [23:38:25] <RoyK> !ask
2187 [23:38:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2190 [23:38:51] <Meavo> lol
2191 [23:38:52] <annadane> Meavo, you have to understand that "hello" could mean "i'm being friendly" or "i need help"
2192 [23:39:02] <annadane> and it's also only been 3 minutes
2193 [23:39:04] <Meavo> dpkg: I never asked a question
2194 [23:39:04] <dpkg> Meavo: I give up, what is it?
2195 [23:39:13] <annadane> dpkg is just a bot
2196 [23:39:14] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, annadane
2197 [23:39:21] <annadane> but if you have a question, ask it
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2202 [23:41:02] <Meavo> lol
2203 [23:41:04] <Meavo> im back
2204 [23:41:56] <mischief> how are you gentlemen !!
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2209 [23:43:17] <annadane> there are a great many people who just leave when people don't immediately address them when all they have to do is just ask their question and someone will get around to it
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2213 [23:46:31] <Meavo> annadane: ikr
2214 [23:46:38] <Meavo> :/
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