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0 [00:00:11] <coruja> maybe synaptic has messed up some things there
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2 [00:00:13] <jan6> I have both the .gpg and .gpg.d/
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7 [00:03:45] <jan6> ok, kinda found a solution...
8 [00:04:14] <jan6> use synaptic to manually import every key from the .gpg.d (and the .gpg too just in case)
9 [00:04:27] <jan6> it will complain they're invalid, but still add the,
10 [00:04:30] <jan6> m
11 [00:04:31] <coruja> an apt-file search for a trusted.gpg file has no results
12 [00:04:56] <jan6> dunno what's up, I thought this was the stable branch, not unstable
13 [00:05:07] <coruja> so i guess synaptic has created it
14 [00:05:24] <coruja> stable doesn't mean 100% bug free
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16 [00:06:08] <jan6> also don't know if the .gpg was created by synaptic as root, and apt probably picked it up as default
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18 [00:06:47] <coruja> synaptic is, mildly spoken, kind of out of date, and apt has developped a lot recently
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20 [00:07:07] <coruja> (which synaptic is just a frontend of)
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23 [00:09:34] <jan6> something is wrong and I hope it won't be in a version or two, there doesn't really seem to be any choices for graphical package managers, other than the "so friendly it's unusable" one which even hides it's name (probably gnome's) and synaptic...
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25 [00:10:31] <raynold> Ahh it's a wonderful day
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27 [00:11:00] <jan6> for me it is, because I don't get errors whenever I try updating
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84 [00:45:47] <FightingFalcon> i installed debian live iso to usb via universal usb installer but its not booting from the usb... whats up?İ
85 [00:46:43] <dvs> it isn't win32diskimager?
86 [00:46:53] <metastable> Many of those utilities can mangle the data written to the USB.
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89 [00:47:18] <FightingFalcon> What do you recommend me to install the iso to usb?
90 [00:47:33] <metastable> On Windows?
91 [00:47:34] <dvs> !win32diskimager
92 [00:47:35] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
93 [00:47:45] <metastable> Rufus is another option, IF you write the image in DD mode.
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96 [00:48:23] <FightingFalcon> ok thanks
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102 [00:50:26] <annadane> do not use rufus
103 [00:50:28] <annadane> !rufus
104 [00:50:29] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
105 [00:50:51] <metastable> Rufus works just fine if you use DD mode, as it writes the image directly to the device.
106 [00:50:56] <annadane> 'kay.
107 [00:51:01] <metastable> In DD mode, it functions the same as win32.
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134 [01:12:01] <FightingFalcon> Well, i installed and started linux from usb. however, the problem is that it doesnt detect wireless. i need to download the driver?
135 [01:13:03] <aedinius> Likely need the non-free firmware
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139 [01:15:25] <annadane> !non-free firmware
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141 [01:15:48] <annadane> !non free firmware
142 [01:15:54] <annadane> damn it
143 [01:16:09] <annadane> i wish dpkg had a list
144 [01:17:35] <DerLGm> annadane: man dpkg | grep list
145 [01:18:15] <hassoon> anyone elese who cannot download files from google drive, in firefox/iceweasel ?
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147 [01:18:40] <annadane> i mean dpkg the bot
148 [01:18:54] <annadane> hassoon, jessie? i remember a question like that before
149 [01:19:06] <hassoon> annadane: yeah i run jessie
150 [01:19:09] <annadane> though if you say "iceweasel" then yeah, probably jessie
151 [01:19:34] <hassoon> annadane: why? doesn't iceweasel exist in stretch ?
152 [01:20:17] <annadane> ,v iceweasel
153 [01:20:18] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.5.0esr-1; sid: 52.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates:
154 [01:20:19] <judd> 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.5.3esr-1
155 [01:20:35] <annadane> it does but the licensing issues went away in stretch
156 [01:20:44] <hassoon> ah okey
157 [01:20:46] <annadane> so you don't have to use iceweasel if you wanted firefox
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166 [01:25:45] <annadane> hassoon, when you say "cannot", do you get any error messages?
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171 [01:27:16] <hassoon> annadane: the error is : the pa isn't redirecting properly
172 [01:27:18] <hassoon> here replaced-url
173 [01:27:54] <annadane> okay. not sure what the answer to your problem is but in future, we need those kinds of details to be able to solve problems
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175 [01:28:02] <annadane> !ask
176 [01:28:02] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
177 [01:28:09] <annadane> !context
178 [01:28:09] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
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182 [01:28:45] <santaclauze_> #reactjs
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185 [01:29:26] <Sveta> hassoon: try it in a new private window in firefox
186 [01:29:42] <Sveta> hassoon: does it still show this error message there?
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188 [01:30:35] <hassoon> damn it around 0.5G left in the ram
189 [01:30:43] <hassoon> 1 minute opening
190 [01:33:07] <hassoon> Sveta: alright it's actually downloading in the private session, so what caused the issue in the normal mode ?
191 [01:33:29] <Sveta> perhaps they set a cookie but then broke, try removing all cookies for that site
192 [01:33:43] <hassoon> Sveta: alright
193 [01:34:08] <annadane> why didn't i think of that? =/
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218 [01:56:44] <ultrason> Hello Debian community, I'm just on here asking how I can get Node Package Manager for Debian 9. I tried the Debian package search and it showed as being available for Jessie and Sid. Can I enable Jessie repositories on Stretch?
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221 [01:58:21] <rjsalts> ultrason: it's a bad idea to mix distribution sources, better to take the source package and compile for your distribution
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223 [01:59:11] <ultrason> I thought as much. I'll see if I can do that. Thank you very much.
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225 [02:00:38] <rjsalts> ultrason: you can do it, but it often ends up dragging in half the other distribution and/or having uninstallable packages
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229 [02:01:51] <rjsalts> ultrason: apt-get source <package>;apt-get build-dep <package> and then cd <package>-<version>;dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
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234 [02:02:29] <rjsalts> if apt-get build-dep fails with can't satisfy some build dependency you'll have to apt-get source for that, etc.
235 [02:02:46] <ultrason> Ah okay, I was just about to download the source through the Debian packages site.
236 [02:03:32] <rjsalts> it can be tedious if there are a lot of build dependencies which aren't able to be satisfied on your distribution version
237 [02:04:41] <ultrason> The first command is giving me the error 'E: Unable to find a source package for npm'
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239 [02:05:56] <rjsalts> ultrason: you'll need to add deb-src replaced-url
240 [02:06:17] <rjsalts> then apt update
241 [02:07:30] <ultrason> That should be it in Synaptic now.
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243 [02:09:25] <novilog> Anyone in here familiar with freerdp at all?
244 [02:10:31] <novilog> I'm trying to figure out if it's an rdp server/client or just a client implementation. Running Debian 9.3 and trying to get an rdp setup going
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246 [02:11:55] <aedinius> novilog: xfreerdp is a client
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248 [02:11:59] <aedinius> novilog: xrdp is a server
249 [02:12:04] <rjsalts> novilog: continue, how're you attempting to connect (e.g. give us the command line invocation you're using)? what's happening when you attempt to connect?
250 [02:12:10] <novilog> aedinius: I'm not talking about x[anything]
251 [02:12:16] <novilog> aedinius: I'm talking about freerdp
252 [02:12:58] <aedinius> Sorry, xfreerpd is the actual client for freerdp
253 [02:13:13] <novilog> aedinius: freerdp is a client.
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255 [02:13:30] <novilog> aedinius: xrdp is an old project that hasn't been touched since 2009
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258 [02:14:01] <aedinius> 19:11 < aedinius> novilog: xfreerdp is a client
259 [02:14:03] <aedinius> I just said that
260 [02:14:03] <novilog> rjsalts: I haven't tried to connect to anything yet, as I can't figure out how to start the server, or if there even is a server
261 [02:14:15] <rant> remmina IIRC is a server for RDP
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263 [02:14:29] <rant> no wait.. thats a client
264 [02:14:35] <rjsalts> novilog: replaced-url
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266 [02:14:40] <aedinius> The server options are xrdp and vrdp
267 [02:14:45] <aedinius> vrdp is virtualbox though
268 [02:15:20] <rjsalts> novilog: so the package you want is freerdp-x11 which installs the client xfreerdp
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271 [02:15:28] <novilog> rjsalts: I'm actually running a nightly from yesterday. 2.0.0.rc1
272 [02:15:44] <aedinius> novilog: the command you're looking for to run the client is xfreerdp
273 [02:15:59] <novilog> aedinius: I don't want to run a client -- for the last time.
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276 [02:16:23] <aedinius> Don't don't run the client?
277 [02:16:29] <rant> novilog: winswitch is in stretch and seems to support all manners of remote client/server including xpra for single apps
278 [02:16:29] <aedinius> s/Don't/Then/
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280 [02:17:04] <novilog> Maybe I should back up and explain in general what I'm trying to accomplish.
281 [02:17:12] <aedinius> Probably
282 [02:17:23] <aedinius> novilog: FYI last version of xrdp was released in August
283 [02:17:40] <novilog> I want my debian 9.3 box to act as an rdp server to which I can connect with my laptop/mobile device
284 [02:18:04] * rant installs winswitch
285 [02:18:12] <novilog> aedinius: Not unless they moved domains and failed to point to the new one? I checked their sourceforge. It was last committed to in august of 2009.
286 [02:18:15] <aedinius> replaced-url
287 [02:18:27] <aedinius> replaced-url
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289 [02:19:16] <rant> novilog: do you want it to export a currently running session or start a new one? do you want it to run persistently or on-demand? do you want to be able to login as different users?
290 [02:19:31] <rant> thing is we got a plethora of apps that do what you describe in different ways
291 [02:19:44] <aedinius> And the version in debian/stretch is 0.9.1, which was 22Dec2016
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294 [02:20:41] <awal1> how can I make a bash history log? save all history there instead of delete it? or maybe crearte a dir and have .log1, 2... or a compressed file?
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296 [02:20:53] <novilog> aedinius: I saw that you linked a github, which I assumed was newer -- but they don't link to their github repository on their website. Only to their sourceforge, which was last committed to in 2009.
297 [02:21:05] <rjsalts> novilog: I'd suggest you ask upstream for help. It doesn't look like the package supports running as a server.
298 [02:21:08] <aedinius> novilog: What are you looking at for their website
299 [02:21:24] <aedinius> novilog: Because the website I went to (xrdp.org) linked to their github
300 [02:21:34] <aedinius> That's how I found the github
301 [02:21:58] <novilog> rant: I suppose start a new one, persistently/on-demand doesn't matter, and different users?? That's the primary difference between rdp and vnc excluding data transfer magic, so I don't even understand that question
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303 [02:22:24] <novilog> rjsalts: Ah ok, thank you rj.
304 [02:22:25] <rant> novilog: heh, lots of developers have been dealing with changing paradigms in this regard.. I 'd started a project on SF moved to github then to gitlab cause now many FOSS devs are concerned with the proprietary nature of github.. its a PITA to keep that info up to date :P
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307 [02:23:11] <rant> novilog: to me the key difference in RDP is all the extensions, I never thought about it in the way you just described
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310 [02:24:32] <novilog> rant: Yeah, a big feature difference is the fact that, with vnc, it's a single-user environment. Everyone sees what's going on in the one session
311 [02:24:41] <novilog> rant: Whereas with rdp, every user is sandboxed
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314 [02:25:25] <novilog> rant: Not that that feature is relevant at all to what I'm trying to do, but rdp also happens to be superior ito performance
315 [02:25:40] <rjsalts> novilog: looks like the nightly build from upstream has server turned on, just not official debian packages
316 [02:26:15] <novilog> rjsalts: So is the solution to compile instead of downloading the nightly .deb?
317 [02:26:32] <rjsalts> novilog: replaced-url
318 [02:26:33] <Sveta> Speaking of remote access, we've got one shared linux computer that runs graphics-aware apps. Someone would like remote access. I've suggested vnc, but this needs them to walk to the computer and start a vnc server under their username first. They may be unable to do that. What to do?
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321 [02:27:04] <novilog> Sveta: Use rdp X'D
322 [02:27:10] <b_> anyone alive?
323 [02:27:12] <rjsalts> novilog: seems to indicate that the deb has server component there, I just have nfi how to set it up
324 [02:27:14] <novilog> vnc is stale
325 [02:27:28] <Sveta> novilog: does rdp handle graphics?
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328 [02:27:54] <novilog> Sveta: Of course. Rdp is superior to vnc in all ways excepting a technical support scenario.
329 [02:28:02] <b_> i need c++ coding consultiing
330 [02:28:21] <Sveta> b_: I
331 [02:28:48] <Sveta> b_: I've read two messages from you, yet they don't have your question in there. Asking your question straight away makes the communication more efficient.
332 [02:29:04] <Sveta> b_: what's the issue?
333 [02:29:23] <b_> the thing is edax-4.4 code
334 [02:29:35] <novilog> Thank you rjsalts, and rant, and aedinius for your time and efforts.
335 [02:29:39] <b_> the issue i do not understand
336 [02:29:59] <b_> Sveta
337 [02:30:25] <b_> are you listen to?
338 [02:30:40] <Sveta> yes
339 [02:30:40] <b_> or just typing?
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341 [02:31:06] <Sveta> b_: I do not know C++, but "I have an issue with edax-4.4 code" is not enough information.
342 [02:31:16] <Sveta> b_: what is the issue with this code, specifically?
343 [02:31:26] <novilog> b_: With something specific like that, have you tried joining #c++ or #cplusplus ?
344 [02:31:59] <rjsalts> novilog: and I can't see any documentation on it in their wiki, but check /opt/freerdp-nightly/bin
345 [02:32:11] <b_> Sveta, thanks
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347 [02:32:31] <novilog> rjsalts: Yeah that documentation is pretty limited. It suggests reading the documentation in the source files X'D
348 [02:32:36] <rjsalts> novilog: maybe man freerdp-shadow-cli
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350 [02:33:16] <rant> novilog: yeah sorry its been ages since I used RDP and I don't offhand know of a server in debian however I recommend looking into replaced-url
351 [02:33:35] <novilog> rjsalts: I think that's the server executable, just based on the fact that it says it's listening on a port and keeps the terminal tied to a process
352 [02:33:54] <novilog> rjsalts: But I have no idea how to interact with it or set up anything related to keys or anything
353 [02:33:54] <rant> I been using xpra lately myself and now that I looked at this winswitch I think I'm gonna start using this as my main framework from now on
354 [02:34:04] <b_> Sveta, there is nobody alive
355 [02:34:18] <rant> this looks simple enough I can install it for my father to use :P
356 [02:34:59] <Sveta> b_: they usually wake up after seeing a question
357 [02:35:13] <Sveta> b_: if the question is good (has many specifics), they wake up quicker :-)
358 [02:35:14] <b_> count_param = parse_int(count_param, &depth); BOUND(depth, 1, 90, "max-ply"); for 8x8 max-ply must be 64 or 60?
359 [02:35:19] <novilog> rant: I'm looking at winswitch right now, and it appears to be VNC based
360 [02:35:29] <b_> why 90?
361 [02:35:42] <ultrason> rjsalts: I ran all of the commands, should I install the generated .deb file?
362 [02:36:04] <novilog> rant: It says it supports rdp on the page you linked, but I think what that means is that it can service as an rdp client to windows machines
363 [02:36:13] <b_> something like commons solutions?
364 [02:36:19] <b_> common
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366 [02:36:55] <rjsalts> ultrason: aye dpkg -i <package>_<version>.deb
367 [02:37:43] <ultrason> Thank you
368 [02:37:59] <novilog> rjsalts: Wow I'm an idiot. The most obvious answer is the ellusive one, it would seem.
369 [02:38:06] <b_> anyone alive?
370 [02:38:19] <themill> rant: winswitch wants a new upstream it seems (removed from Debian)
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372 [02:38:29] <novilog> rjsalts: When you run that executable, it drops an INFO text right in front of your face that says "com.freerdp.server.shadow.x11"
373 [02:38:52] <themill> b_: if anyone is actually able to answer your questions based on the very tiny amounts of useless information you have provided, they would have demonstrated that they have mind-reading powers.
374 [02:38:54] <novilog> elusive*
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376 [02:39:48] <rant> themill: I just installed it on both a jessie and stretch system so I take it you're talking about buster/sid?
377 [02:40:17] <rjsalts> novilog: so you got it working?
378 [02:40:18] <themill> rant: yes; it's useful looking at what will happen in the future when you're designing your current workflow
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380 [02:40:29] <b_> are you stupid?
381 [02:40:37] <themill> b_: that's enough, thanks.
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383 [02:40:53] <novilog> rjsalts: I believe the server to be running. I haven't connected to it yet, but I think I ought to be able to take it from here with documentation.
384 [02:41:02] <novilog> rjsalts: Thank you so much for your eyes
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386 [02:41:25] <rant> novilog: yes that appears correct.. it can only do rdp in client mode.. though I been using xpra standalone and its excellent and can tunnel over ssh without having to muck with ssh forwarding stuff yourself.. and idk about this nx it supports, I never tried that
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388 [02:41:49] <themill> ,bug rm winswitch
389 [02:41:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
390 [02:41:53] <themill> rant: ^^
391 [02:42:12] <rant> themill: well understand my workflow is personal use for me to run apps remotely for no-critical personal use and to aid my father when he needs help.. and he's still on jessie I'm afraid to update him as he doesnt deal well with change :P
392 [02:42:28] <themill> sure
393 [02:43:17] <rant> themill: if he didnt have 3rd party stuff like crossover to run MS-Office which he f'n insisted on even after I showed him libreoffice, and stuff like that I'd have upgraded him months ago.. but there is no telling what small glitches may occur upgrading a non-technical person with vrious 3rd party crap installed :P
394 [02:43:55] <novilog> rant: ? Just install virtualbox on his machine and teach him how to click 2 buttons
395 [02:44:14] <rant> novilog: oh I got VB on there with both XP and Win7 but he didnt like that
396 [02:45:07] <novilog> rant: Oh well. Better to tailor the system to the individual who uses it.
397 [02:45:23] <novilog> rant: If a person doesn't have the desire to learn -- you can't "teach" them something new.
398 [02:45:33] <novilog> rant: Horse to water allegory.
399 [02:46:02] <rant> yeah.. he's a bit of a PITA but less so since he got a linux machine to fall back on.. and he seems to use it primarily now. His frequent windows woes were beyond my ability to support
400 [02:47:32] <rant> he still wants a few things like apparently the MS-Office (2003 I think he has) image viewer of some kind doesn't work properly in the old Crossover I got on there. There is also major issues with saving files from office.. it seems to have huge bugs that are less apparent in windows
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404 [02:48:39] <rant> personally in my experience MS Office is less user friendly and offers nothing over libreoffice.. idk why some people insist on it.. I just select 3 cells in libreoffice calc and right click and goto merge. I still can't figure out how to do that in MS Office :P
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407 [02:49:46] <aedinius> Most people that complain about lo also don't know how to use msoffice right, either
408 [02:50:05] <novilog> rant certainly lives up to his name, ay?
409 [02:50:11] <novilog> Hah
410 [02:50:26] <aedinius> He's not wrong, though ;]
411 [02:50:45] <novilog> I'm just looking forward to the day that I get an out-of-the-box rdp solution for debian.
412 [02:50:48] <rant> well he's no pro, but he's been using excel especially for almost everything for ages.. he even uses it for a keyring which I've advised against numerous times :P
413 [02:50:56] <novilog> Plug-and-play, just like it is on windblows.
414 [02:51:22] <aedinius> I don't require a GUI enough for that
415 [02:51:37] <aedinius> rant: I use sc for my spreadsheets ;]
416 [02:52:23] <rant> I was just thinking today I could use a really lightweight spreadsheet app cause LO takes a long time to start and sometimes I am only using it to temporarily hold data for easy visualization
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419 [02:52:36] <novilog> aedinius: It's useful when your work has special constraints -- like requiring a specific IDE that is inconveniently GUI based
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421 [02:52:56] <aedinius> novilog: ah, yeah.
422 [02:53:02] <rant> novilog: idk why you're so set on RDP, its a proprietary protocol and back in the day it was a nice enhancement over VNC but we now have other options which are open. like xpra and nx
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424 [02:53:23] <aedinius> If I can't ssh -X it I just run it locally =/
425 [02:53:29] <b_> anyone alive?
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427 [02:53:53] <rant> b_: no we're typing corpses
428 [02:53:54] <seiburii> @b_ : i am
429 [02:53:56] <novilog> rant: Yeah... xpra is barebones. So is xn.
430 [02:54:04] <aedinius> rant: article on sc replaced-url
431 [02:54:07] <seiburii> nice rant
432 [02:54:39] <annadane> physically alive, braindead though
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434 [02:54:44] <b_> seiburii, 9<b_> count_param = parse_int(count_param, &depth); BOUND(depth, 1, 90, "max-ply"); for 8x8 max-ply must be 64 or 60?
435 [02:54:49] <novilog> rant: But chiefly -- the advantage over all three (vnc, xpra, xn) of rdp -- is that rdp uses image generation to reduce network load (thereby increasing speed dramatically)
436 [02:54:56] <novilog> rant: It only has to send a fraction of the data
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438 [02:55:06] <rant> novilog: idk its smooth as silk I was using it to run that Win7 VB from my fathers computer over a hotpot on an orange pi lite (512MB ram shared w/ video) and it ran like it was running natively on a machine with 8 times the ram
439 [02:55:07] <novilog> rant: All three of the others literally just share the entire desktop environment
440 [02:55:17] <Sveta> b_: err
441 [02:55:27] <Sveta> b_: what is that in english?
442 [02:55:29] <aedinius> rant: it takes some getting used to, but it works great once you figure out the quick commands. And it's not bad on formulas for basic spreadsheets
443 [02:55:45] <rant> novilog: and the way xpra integrated the handling of the ssh stuff and whatnot was real nice
444 [02:55:47] <b_> Sveta,aaazzz)
445 [02:55:55] <novilog> rant: That will depend on the distance and the number of nodes the data is hopping through between your father's computer and your raspi
446 [02:56:04] <Sveta> b_: what is a 'ply' ?
447 [02:56:11] <b_> move
448 [02:56:28] <b_> one move
449 [02:56:30] <aedinius> rant: it's very vi-ish, though
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452 [02:56:55] <rant> aedinius: ew.. I loathe vi.. heh..
453 [02:57:17] <aedinius> rant: no one's perfect
454 [02:57:22] <Sveta> b_: reading the code, it looks like their board size is 8 and their max-ply is 90. i'd need the game logic to figure that out
455 [02:57:37] <rant> aedinius: heh.. yeah I was thinking something more pointy-clicky that I can copy/paste data to-fro easily
456 [02:57:40] <b_> othello or reversi
457 [02:57:40] <novilog> rant: And ultimately rdp has the best support. The VNC master has been out of development for a long time
458 [02:57:50] <novilog> rant: and the others have relatively few contributors
459 [02:57:55] <aedinius> rant: looked at gnumeric? It might be a little lighter than lo
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461 [02:58:09] <rant> aedinius: I';; give that a try
462 [02:58:10] <b_> Sveta, google it: computer othello
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464 [02:59:27] <novilog> I guess, in summary, rdp may be proprietary yes -- and I understand the aversion, and in general I agree that open source if preferable. I also subscribe to the belief that you should use the best tool for the job, though. And that's why I am so set on rdp [EOA]
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466 [02:59:38] <b_> Sveta:it's simplest game on board after tic-tac-toe
467 [02:59:48] <Sveta> b_: yes, i played this when i was 8 :P
468 [03:00:16] <b_> Sveta:so, why 90?
469 [03:00:28] <Sveta> b_: but i'm not sure why 90 max moves, it's an interesting thing to code. i'd just replace 90 with 64 and play one game on a 8x8 board and see whether it crashes
470 [03:00:29] <rant> I first played it on the Mattel Intellivision (reversi)
471 [03:00:47] <Sveta> i first played it on a 1998 proprietary platform :P
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473 [03:01:27] <b_> Sveta, it was long a go)
474 [03:01:36] <rant> probably where I learned chess too.. I had one back in the late 80s :P
475 [03:02:19] <b_> Sveta, remember everything with arnold, you wanna?
476 [03:02:46] <Sveta> no, i don't remember arnold
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479 [03:03:37] <b_> Sveta, why not?
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483 [03:04:11] <rant> well I think I largely started it, but we're all prettu offtopic. I'm going back to bed, the rest of you should consider #debian-offtopic :P
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487 [03:06:00] <b_> well, guys you are quite stupid to play:-)
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492 [03:07:40] <b_> Sveta, when game is crashed, just me know, i have a rest:-)
493 [03:07:56] <b_> let
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504 [03:12:40] <ChetManly> Hey is it possible to automate aptitude?
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507 [03:13:40] <deicide-> anyone here good with tlp?
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509 [03:14:32] <annadane> !anyone
510 [03:14:32] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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513 [03:14:57] <deicide-> i don't have a question
514 [03:15:06] <deicide-> i need someone to help me get that install
515 [03:15:06] <r4fk_debian> Hi all, please, my firefox is taking too much time to me started.
516 [03:15:42] <r4fk_debian> My god ! a Deicide Death Metal Warrior here !
517 [03:15:47] <annadane> you changed your name, rob, i'm disappointed. :P
518 [03:16:02] <r4fk_debian> oh, hi annadane, how are you ?
519 [03:16:10] <r4fk_debian> oh, in fact, it's wrong here !
520 [03:16:38] <r4fk_debian> sorry, this is my first name when I started to use irc by the 1st time
521 [03:16:55] <r4fk_debian> my real nick is 'rob_debian' forever, annadane ! :)
522 [03:17:07] <r4fk_debian> back in few minutes !
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524 [03:17:22] <deicide-> anyone here good with tlp?
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528 [03:18:32] <rob_debian_II> don't know why the fist option wasn't accepted: 'rob_debian'
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533 [03:19:17] <rob_debian_II> better now, annadane :)
534 [03:19:44] <rob_debian_II> Please, how to fix this issue ? my firefox browser is taking too much time to be opened...
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536 [03:20:22] <rob_debian_II> in some occasions, it was displayed a screen describing: 'this connection is not secure', referring to google
537 [03:20:36] <rob_debian_II> replaced-url
538 [03:21:38] <rob_debian_II> oh, this issue was fixed here, it was about time fuse adjustment....
539 [03:21:51] <rob_debian_II> now, it's running fine again
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543 [03:23:17] <current_user> hello o//, hoping for some help. Installed debian on macbook. Fresh install and all went well, but as soon as the computer died, I turn it back on and I can't get into my operating system and I can't get into rescue mode. I can however get into grub - grub2 - I belive though I don't know for sures - anyway I found the file system, grub.conf and vmlinuz and followed this tutorial: replaced-url
544 [03:23:18] <current_user> grub2/ and this one: replaced-url
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546 [03:24:09] <current_user> oh and btw, when I boot up I can actually decrypt my computer but then after it just shows a black screen with a cursor at the top
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548 [03:25:16] <rob_debian_II> bye all !
549 [03:25:22] <rob_debian_II> bye annadane, see you !:)
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566 [03:36:20] <ryouma> wish i could help
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569 [03:37:03] <ryouma> i think booting in debian is its weakest point. incomprehensible, imo.
570 [03:37:34] <current_user> what do you mean weakest point?
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575 [03:38:20] <Howie69> General forgetfulness...
576 [03:38:41] <ryouma> when something goes wrong, which it does, the ordinary user is obliged to wade through hairy incomprehensible messes of initramfs, grub, mbr, etc. and it screws up fonts so some people who need large fonts cannot even do it.
577 [03:38:44] <Howie69> I added a PPA for older stable packages, and I have a set of packages that I want to force apt to install from that one
578 [03:39:04] <Howie69> just apt install uses the universe repo, not the one I added
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580 [03:39:13] <Howie69> how do I force it to use the repo I added?
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584 [03:39:42] <fasdfd> current_user, mount the fs from a liveusb?
585 [03:39:46] <ryouma> current_user: (this probably applies to many other distros and free oses also)
586 [03:40:09] <ryouma> but debian's initramfs is revoltign
587 [03:40:11] <current_user> okay, define fs?
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589 [03:40:24] <Howie69> filesystem
590 [03:40:34] <deicide-> anyone here good with tlp?
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593 [03:40:55] <current_user> one moment
594 [03:42:11] <ryouma> i get that debian is trying to be really friendly with initramfs, but it sort of ends up being rude
595 [03:42:37] <ryouma> like, if you don't use lvm and never have, it randomly says "lvm is not available" instead of booting.
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599 [03:43:43] <ryouma> yeah you can mount boot and root and try to redo grub
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601 [03:44:06] <current_user> right, I thought I knew how to mount filesystem from usb but I guess idk
602 [03:44:24] <current_user> I can get grub easily though
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604 [03:45:27] <current_user> oh wait do you mean like go into the a session on the livecd and mount the hd?
605 [03:45:52] <ryouma> yes
606 [03:46:41] <current_user> okay
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608 [03:47:07] <current_user> wait a minute it looks like I don't have that ability I only have install options
609 [03:47:09] <ryouma> then you do chroot (which is another sort of abomination maybe) and run grub-install and stuff. and if initramfs is broken you have to unpack it, fid it, pack it, and run a command...
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611 [03:47:23] <ryouma> you awnt a live cd, somethign that gives you a shell
612 [03:47:49] * current_user thought grub WAS a shell
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615 [03:48:22] <ryouma> a bash or zsh shell
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617 [03:48:42] <ryouma> grub shell is some inscrutable abomination itself, because you can't use your computer to figure it out
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619 [03:49:04] <ryouma> get a real os up and running, then mount your partitions
620 [03:49:44] <current_user> oh ok one sec. I'm not sure how to resolve the livecd problem except to install the livecd onto itself
621 [03:50:06] <ryouma> put cd into drawer. boot.
622 [03:50:29] <current_user> yes I diid that, but there are only install options
623 [03:50:36] <ryouma> (or use the grml iso on boot feature of debian if grub boots)
624 [03:50:49] <ryouma> debian install disk should have a shell someplace
625 [03:51:17] <ryouma> i mean ability to launch debian? somebody help out here.
626 [03:51:38] <somiaj> you can hit ctrl-alt-f2 in the debian installer and get a limited shell
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629 [03:52:45] <current_user> nothing
630 [03:52:56] <current_user> I'm using a macbook keyboard though
631 [03:53:59] <somiaj> how far into the installer have you gotten?
632 [03:54:19] <somiaj> There is (usually use expert mode) and option you can select which gets you to a shell fairly early on too
633 [03:54:26] <current_user> detect network hardware
634 [03:54:36] <current_user> ok
635 [03:54:40] * current_user restarts
636 [03:54:45] <somiaj> hmm, that should be far enough into the install to open a shell, though I haven't done this in a while
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639 [03:55:43] <current_user> theres only "graphical expert install" as far as expect things go
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642 [03:56:13] <current_user> okay
643 [03:56:17] <current_user> what's next
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654 [04:03:44] * current_user doesn't know how to start googleing
655 [04:03:49] * current_user feels unsafe
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657 [04:05:23] <awal1> BASH VARIABLE 'SHLVL' MEANS?
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659 [04:05:42] <ryouma> awal1: it'sshells within shells, my friend
660 [04:07:28] <awal1> ryouma, i understood that, what i wanted to know what meaning of letters s h l v l
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662 [04:07:57] <ryouma> shell level
663 [04:08:18] <awal1> hm, sub shel level, ok
664 [04:08:31] <awal1> thanks
665 [04:08:59] <somiaj> sounds like you are building a nest.
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667 [04:09:55] <awal1> :)
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671 [04:10:27] <awal1> trying to understand better bash files in $HOME
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673 [04:12:10] <annadane> probably in the reference manual
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676 [04:14:34] <somiaj> awal1: which ones? And yes as annadane points out they are all in the man page, though man pages both require experience to read and some just suck (the bash one is actually pretty good though)
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683 [04:16:47] <annadane> i meant reference manual but sure let's pretend i said man page, it makes me look smarter than i am
684 [04:17:03] <awal1> somiaj, in fact I just don't understand how changing " if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ] " in .bash_logout to " if [ "$SHLVL" = 2 ] " helps to solve replaced-url
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686 [04:17:25] <ryouma> oddly bash man page is to me among the worst. maybe the info is better dunno.
687 [04:17:36] <ryouma> but you can just grep
688 [04:17:51] <awal1> annadane, bash manual is good but a bit complex if not used (toshell stuff)
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690 [04:18:18] <annadane> the debian reference manual...
691 [04:18:20] <annadane> forget it :P
692 [04:19:05] <awal1> there are a few bugs reported in debian about same topic of freedesktop
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696 [04:19:51] <awal1> trying to understand that bcoz I am affected by that bug in my sid machine
697 [04:20:43] <current_user> ryouma, hey I'm back can you elaborate on what you were saying earlier about mount my filesystem and boot and root?
698 [04:20:50] <somiaj> awal1: what do you mean change? Where did you get this $HOME/.bash_logout in the first place. By default is isn't there on my systems, but can be put there to run extra commands.
699 [04:21:32] <ryouma> current_user: i'm not the best
700 [04:21:37] <ryouma> also rsi
701 [04:21:42] <awal1> somiaj, in my sid I have if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ]; then
702 [04:21:42] <awal1> [ -x /usr/bin/clear_console ] && /usr/bin/clear_console -q
703 [04:21:42] <awal1> fi
704 [04:22:20] <somiaj> awal1: I wonder what is creating that .bash_logout file.
705 [04:22:44] <somiaj> awal1: anways my brief look at it is the problme is the command clearn_console. It is messing with things causing the machine to crash.
706 [04:23:04] <somiaj> awal1: so basically it looks like your bug was due to the fact that after you exited bash, this clear_console command was run causing the problem.
707 [04:23:29] <annadane> i do need to set aside some time to learn me some bash
708 [04:23:38] <somiaj> awal1: SHLVL lets you know how many nested shells you are. The suggestion just makes it so clear_console is only run on the second to last shell, and not the last one.
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710 [04:23:56] <awal1> somiaj, clear_console semms the problem yeah
711 [04:23:59] <awal1> oh, ok
712 [04:24:04] <awal1> i get it know
713 [04:24:07] <somiaj> awal1: thus changing the '1' to a '2' makes it so this command will not run when you exit a bash shell from a terminal, thsu avoiding the problme.
714 [04:24:47] <somiaj> now as to why you have this $HOME/.bash_logout file and why it is running clear_console, I do not know. At least in stretch this isn't default, maybe something else needs this.
715 [04:25:28] <current_user> ryouma, any help is good help. Also rsi??
716 [04:25:35] <somiaj> oh I see what it is doing, this makes it so when you logout in a tty, all of the stuff on the screen (and maybe buffer) is cleared
717 [04:25:52] <somiaj> awal1: anyways, I see what it is doing, I still don't see why this file is in your $HOME dir by default.
718 [04:26:06] <awal1> somiaj, ok with "The suggestion just makes it so clear_console is only run on the second to last shell, and not the last one." I understand now
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720 [04:26:28] <awal1> happened after an upgrade last few weeeks in sid
721 [04:26:28] <somiaj> current_user: I missed your actual issue, what was it?
722 [04:26:33] <awal1> not sure which one
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724 [04:27:27] <awal1> replaced-url
725 [04:27:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
726 [04:27:44] <current_user> hello o//, hoping for some help. Installed debian on macbook. Fresh install and all went well, but as soon as the computer died, I turn it back on and I can't get into my operating system and I can't get into rescue mode. I can however get into grub - grub2 - I belive though I don't know for sures - anyway I found the file system, grub.conf and vmlinuz and followed this tutorial: replaced-url
727 [04:27:45] <current_user> grub2/ and this one: replaced-url
728 [04:27:45] <current_user> when I boot up I can actually decrypt my computer but then after it just shows a black screen with a cursor at the top
729 [04:27:46] <awal1> thanks for your clarification somiaj
730 [04:28:31] <current_user> I have since made it onto the installation media I installed from and have a shell. Making an attempt to mount filesystem as instructed but idk how to do that
731 [04:29:02] <awal1> somiaj, so default in stretch is if [ "$SHLVL" = 2 ] ?
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735 [04:29:58] <awal1> ok, you said not there at all (?)
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738 [04:30:14] <somiaj> current_user: if you only have a grub folder in (hd1,gpt2), it could be that this is your /boot mount and not / (root) which is seperate
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740 [04:31:00] <awal1> annadane, you sid have if [ "$SHLVL" = 2 ]?
741 [04:31:03] <somiaj> awal1: In stretch no $HOME/.bash_logout exists on my systems, but one could be there. I still don't see why sid is all the suddon putting stuff like this in $HOME
742 [04:31:08] <awal1> or = 1?
743 [04:31:17] <somiaj> awal1: but stretch does do some sort of clear console, so unsure what stretch does to triger it.
744 [04:31:30] <current_user> okay, but just to clear, I'd restarted my computer fine, decrytion okay, but only when my battery suddenly died did it do this. And it happended also with parrot in that same way
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746 [04:32:11] <somiaj> current_user: so both these sittations occured with an ecnrypted system when the battery died and stuff wasn't completely unmounted?
747 [04:32:41] <current_user> I believe so yes
748 [04:32:54] <somiaj> current_user: I'm not that familry with lvm, encryption, lukes, so unsure what extra stuff you need to do to get that to boot.
749 [04:33:20] <somiaj> but from your description, you are pointing grub at the /boot partition, which won't work. YOu need to point grub at the / (root) partition, but if it is encrypted, you need to have the key for it.
750 [04:33:40] <somiaj> so my guess is the issue is in providing the encryption key/password, and I don't really know how to do this.
751 [04:33:43] <current_user> I do have the key
752 [04:33:43] <annadane> awal1, 1
753 [04:33:49] <current_user> oh
754 [04:34:02] <somiaj> (it is very common in encrypted system to have /boot be a seperate unencrypated partition, so grub can see it.
755 [04:34:24] <awal1> annadane, ok, thanks. somiaj, the file is in my home since stretch developement (2016) according to 'stat' replaced-url
756 [04:34:36] <current_user> can't I just say "set boot=(hd1, gpt2)/"
757 [04:34:45] <current_user> also I didin't set /boot seperate
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759 [04:35:20] <current_user> as far as when I initially installed and it asked whether I wanted seperate partitions
760 [04:35:46] <somiaj> awal1: This is a user config file (not a system one). Stretch has both the ability to use this file and clear_console command. What I said is I'm unsure how this file got into your $HOME directory in the first place. I wonder what did that.
761 [04:36:18] <annadane> awal1, and that result comes from echo $SHLVL in konsole
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763 [04:36:22] <somiaj> current_user: grub by defalt in debian doesn't support using an encyprted /boot. It might automatically make it seperate when you select an encyprted system (again I don't know the details)
764 [04:36:42] <somiaj> annadane: what awal1 meant to ask was do you have a $HOME/.bash_logout file and what is the if conditional set to there.
765 [04:36:56] <current_user> oh okay I see
766 [04:37:16] <annadane> if shlvl = 1
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768 [04:37:43] <somiaj> annadane: hmm, so you too have a $HOME/.bash_logout. I wonder what is putting these files there
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771 [04:38:32] <somiaj> hmm, guess I have it on some of my newer stretch systems, but not my main desktop which was reinatlled years ago.
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773 [04:39:06] <awal1> annadane, without a DM, I guess sddm there, and having =1, X crashes closing second tty open (X in tty1 will crashe if you close tty2, for example)
774 [04:39:19] <somiaj> anyways, it looks as if bash in debian is now making this a user configuation option to clear the console after logout in the tty. And it seems like awal1's bug exists in the clear_console/xorg combination, and all this fix does is get rid of it.
775 [04:39:30] <awal1> =2 solve the problem, as a work around
776 [04:39:50] <somiaj> note I don't think changing the shell level to 2 is a good work around. I doubt you gain much (and maybe you don't want to) clear the console when exiting nested bash shells.
777 [04:39:59] <somiaj> Just comment out the whole if block to avoid running that command.
778 [04:40:13] <somiaj> and leave it at 1.
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780 [04:41:53] <somiaj> awal1: the bug is probably a race condition of clear_console and the auto/swtiching back to the xorg console causing clear_console to bug out when trying to clear the xorg console (wild guess)
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785 [04:42:55] <awal1> somiaj, ok, I get it; thanks
786 [04:42:57] <somiaj> replaced-url
787 [04:42:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
788 [04:43:08] <awal1> i wonder why that doesn't happen having a dm
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791 [04:43:43] <somiaj> awal1: I'm not seeing a clear bug report on this. You should maybe file one now that you found this out. It also could be something with that race condition bug I mentioned there. Though that bug isn't descriptive of the actual issue.
792 [04:43:48] <awal1> I mean x not crashes when a dm is active on a given tty
793 [04:44:09] <somiaj> awal1: it is probably nothing to do with a dm, and to do with user vs root permsinios. with a user, xorg is ran with user permisions, as with a dm it is usually root.
794 [04:44:42] <somiaj> awal1: so a user running clear_console wouldn't have a problem. It might affect root logging out of a shell though (maybe only if root too had /root/.bash_logout file)
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796 [04:44:51] <awal1> somiaj, I already reported one days ago replaced-url
797 [04:44:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
798 [04:45:02] <awal1> I thought it was systemd fault, but no
799 [04:45:15] <awal1> I reported a bug about the wrong pkg :P:D
800 [04:45:34] <somiaj> awal1: update that bug, change the page, it is the fault of /usr/bin/clear_console in bash. And maybe reference the bug I mentioned to say maybe this race condition is related.
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803 [04:45:42] <somiaj> awal1: that happens, there are ways to reassign bugs.
804 [04:45:53] <awal1> systemd maintainer already did that
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809 [04:46:12] <awal1> already reasigned it
810 [04:46:19] <somiaj> oh I see, I missed the merge/change in the bug report I found, it was the same one. (:
811 [04:46:39] <somiaj> arg, nevermind
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813 [04:47:38] <awal1> as you said I may just comment out if [ "$SHLVL" = 1 ] line and problem solved until the bug is solved
814 [04:48:10] <awal1> as 'stat' says my bash_logout is there since 2016, so I guess all stretch users have it also
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817 [04:48:43] <somiaj> hmm, yea looks like they are saying the bug is in xorg, and not bash. Though it might be nice pointing the matainers of that bug to #862781, as maybe they are related.
818 [04:48:49] <somiaj> though I"m not positive.
819 [04:48:54] <current_user> somiaj, I'm still trying to make this boot happen. And I tried - set boot=(hd1,gpt2)/ and root=(hd1, gpt2) and prefix=(hd2, gpt2)/boot/grub but it doesn't boot with - insmod normal | normal
820 [04:49:40] <somiaj> current_user: why are y ou seeting boot and root to the same thing? Also I don't know grub that well as to say what the problem is. Maybe someone who actually uses encryption can help you out.
821 [04:50:35] <current_user> well I thought if I put / after it that would indicate to start there
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823 [04:50:57] <awal1> somiaj, looks like both bash and xorg are guilty . I confess I just know basic about these big pkgs; my option may be just wait :P
824 [04:51:00] <current_user> I'd go somewhere else if I know some place that knew about this
825 [04:51:04] <somiaj> current_user: no, you need to point grub at partitions, and they don't work like file systems.
826 [04:51:22] <somiaj> current_user: your root file system is somewhere inside your encrypted/lvm, and I just don't know enough on how to manually getll grub to use it
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831 [04:51:52] <somiaj> awal1: well the problem is how they are interacting. As to which is fault, or what fix is best, maybe look in both areas.
832 [04:52:23] <current_user> okay, then how do you take off a variable that you put in
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834 [04:52:38] <current_user> boot was not in set params before I put it in there
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836 [04:52:52] <awal1> somiaj, for now following the bugs ... Thanks for you clarifications
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839 [04:54:22] <somiaj> awal1: I would update your original bug and point them at that race condition one I found, maybe ask if they think this is related.
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845 [04:57:19] <somiaj> current_user: You might just want to get a live system that boots (full shell) and then try something like replaced-url
846 [04:57:42] <somiaj> after you are in a live system, you can find and unecnrypt the filesystem with your key, then chroot into it to fix grub
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849 [04:59:28] <Cypris> Anyone in here experienced with deb running on a Mac Mini Late 2014 (Macmini7,1)?
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853 [05:00:41] <awal1> somiaj, ok I all do (point 885318 to 862781) . thanks
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862 [05:10:41] <Howie_69> All of my apt sources keep giving 404 errors on most files.. isn't there a utiltiy to choose my best mirror?
863 [05:11:43] <somiaj> what version of debian are you using, and can you share your sources.list and contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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868 [05:14:13] <Howie_69> 17.04
869 [05:14:23] <Howie_69> It's got funky sources.list.d
870 [05:14:27] <somiaj> !ubuntu
871 [05:14:28] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
872 [05:14:57] <Howie_69> Hrm.. I thought this one was ubuntu...
873 [05:15:02] <Howie_69> I mean wasn't
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875 [05:15:04] <Howie_69> bleh
876 [05:15:11] <Howie_69> maybe it is
877 [05:15:39] <Howie_69> oh yeah, this one is, my servers aren't
878 [05:15:48] <Howie_69> stupid kids needing graphical interfaces...
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880 [05:16:10] * Howie_69 looks at his Debian version...
881 [05:16:19] <somiaj> we can point you to morriros for debian, but ubuntu does things differently. In debian
882 [05:16:22] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
883 [05:16:22] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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886 [05:16:31] <Howie_69> I probably really need to upgrade this server though... it's 7 years old :)
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888 [05:17:46] <Howie_69> iirc, on my server there used to be a command line utility that chose the best mirror is what I was thinking of
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890 [05:18:05] <Howie_69> I'll figure that up next weekend when I do the upgrade
891 [05:18:10] <somiaj> there maybe scripts for that, deb.debian.org works for most situations and can change over time if mirrors change.
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893 [05:19:36] <Howie_69> I bet ubuntu makes you use their stupid graphical util. I'll find a script for my wheezy server :)
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918 [05:37:13] <Howie_69> Hah hah. Ubuntu closed the repos for the dist these kids were using. Flat out closed that version. This is why I prefer Debian on my servers
919 [05:37:56] <annadane> okay, but this isn't a bash ubuntu channel
920 [05:38:20] <Howie_69> Not bashing. I got to live with both :)
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922 [05:38:35] <Howie_69> I just never heard of that happening before
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927 [05:43:33] <Howie69> Wow, must be time for sleep, took me this long to realize I said that on the wrong channel
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976 [06:33:07] <marcosfermin> Hello
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978 [06:33:23] <Howie69> hi
979 [06:33:49] <marcosfermin> Hope you are doing well
980 [06:34:09] <Howie69> :)
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983 [06:34:27] <marcosfermin> I have a site I made with Apache and Debian
984 [06:35:01] <marcosfermin> It crawls to the open indexes of servers via Google
985 [06:35:10] <marcosfermin> Based on particular formats
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987 [06:35:32] <marcosfermin> Just a project for fun, but I would like opinions
988 [06:35:49] <marcosfermin> replaced-url
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991 [06:36:43] <Howie69> not bad
992 [06:37:23] <marcosfermin> Select the type of file you are looking for and it’ll generate a query to Google
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994 [06:37:32] <Howie69> ahh
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1011 [06:48:27] <marcosfermin> Howie69: did you use it?
1012 [06:48:35] <Howie69> Sure did
1013 [06:48:44] <Howie69> Looks fine
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1018 [06:54:01] <dczheng> hello
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1023 [07:00:10] <mnuhmnuh> someone was asking about apt-spy (evil!) earlier; see netselect(-apt).
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1038 [07:12:06] <darxmurf> morning
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1046 [07:19:28] <mnuhmnuh> 2212h here.
1047 [07:19:51] <darxmurf> 07h20 here
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1055 [07:26:06] <u0_a195> any one know how to translate has
1056 [07:26:09] <u0_a195> h
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1077 [07:42:54] <TheMess> Whats up
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1083 [07:50:13] <rjsalts> umount /boot; xfs_repair /dev/sda3 gives me xfs_repair: cannot open /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy. nothing apparent in lsof/fuser/dmsetup, etc. What could be causing the problem?
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1086 [07:51:02] <teatime> stupid question: is /dev/sda3 == /boot ?
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1088 [07:51:20] <alkisg> And, did you use `umount -l` at some point?
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1091 [07:51:51] <rjsalts> teatime: yes
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1093 [07:52:13] <rjsalts> I haven't used umount -l
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1095 [07:53:14] <rjsalts> xfs_repair -n seems to work fine
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1099 [07:59:01] <mnuhmnuh> haven't heard of anyone using xfs for years.
1100 [07:59:30] <rjsalts> I've been using it for decades, it's now the default in RHEL7
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1102 [08:00:00] <teatime> the default? really?
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1104 [08:00:22] <teatime> wow, you're right.
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1106 [08:00:48] <retpoline> wait, what year is this?!
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1108 [08:01:11] <TheMess> lol
1109 [08:01:19] <TheMess> What u all into?
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1112 [08:05:25] <darxmurf> mnuhmnuh: it's the FS I'm using for all my servers
1113 [08:05:29] <darxmurf> and machines
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1117 [08:06:58] <mnuhmnuh> TheMess: i'm trying to figure out how to get .xinitrc or .Xsession to work in mate. used to be easy w fvwm and fluxbox.
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1119 [08:07:51] <mnuhmnuh> darxmurf: i did dev with corp using redhat, they weren't using xfs. but that was 2008.
1120 [08:08:05] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: still not working? the breakthrough for me was learning it's Default Session that makes .xsession take effect; I have been wondering why 'Custom Session' was never listed
1121 [08:08:59] <darxmurf> raiserFS FTW
1122 [08:09:37] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: damn, power bump here today and i glossed over that bit recovering. thanks for remind.
1123 [08:09:39] <TheMess> what u guys talking about right now?
1124 [08:10:15] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: yeah. and .xinitrc is only for when you use startx, will never take effect under display manager
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1126 [08:10:22] <rjsalts> weird, reboot fixed it
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1128 [08:11:34] <teatime> rjsalts: I figured it would, just thought it would be an asinine suggestion :)
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1137 [08:16:11] <teatime> Anyone have any info on XCompose? Not working for me anymore in gtk apps, Firefox, etc. I am already setting QT_IM_MODULE=xim GTK_IM_MODULE=xim XMODIFIERS=@im=xim which used to be sufficient to fix it everywhere, but no longer.
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1144 [08:18:44] <shtrb> Should network manager share connection among users if a connection was made by a non root user ?
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1152 [08:21:26] <teatime> shtrb: disclaimer: I don't really use network-manager much. Probably so, if you mean the non-root-user made the internet connection. Probably not, if you're referring to them making the sharing connection. But maybe still on that last one. And I imagine a lot of configurability.
1153 [08:21:59] <teatime> shtrb: you can upgrade connections into system connections, which is handy because then they'll auto connect before you login.
1154 [08:22:11] <teatime> shtrb: what's the actual issue you're having?
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1157 [08:22:59] <shtrb> hi teatime , my situation is as following a user (member of netdev) created a bluetooth connection when the user log out and a different user had logged in network manager tried to connect to that bluetooth device
1158 [08:23:36] <shtrb> Just to check, I have performed a full restart and have seen that the connection is also made during an sddm session (before auth)
1159 [08:23:49] <teatime> sounds like it's a system connection.
1160 [08:24:01] <teatime> the GUI doesn't do a good enough job distinguishing them.
1161 [08:24:05] * shtrb need to see how to verify if that is a system or not system connection
1162 [08:24:06] <teatime> but you should be able to just delete it.
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1165 [08:24:56] <deicide-> anyone here good with tlp?
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1167 [08:25:11] <teatime> !ask
1168 [08:25:12] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1169 [08:25:25] <deicide-> anyone here good with tlp?
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1171 [08:25:42] <alkisg> shtrb: ls /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections, users in netdev group can write connections there
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1175 [08:27:05] <shtrb> alkisg, thanks it is there
1176 [08:27:11] <alkisg> np
1177 [08:27:18] <BossNiggar> shut up foo
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1180 [08:27:45] <BossNiggar> I slap yo ayass in da lips
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1182 [08:28:18] <dw> hi. any idea why the 'haproxy' package might be missing from the official debian:8 docker image? it's in the main section, no license weirdness, apt-get update has run, /var/lib/apt size looks reasonable, yet package not found. some weird image-slimming toggle somewhere maybe?
1183 [08:28:36] <shtrb> To avoid having system connection I need to remove them from netdev ?
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1186 [08:29:07] <alkisg> They can just uncheck the "allow this connection for all users" box
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1188 [08:29:08] <teatime> dw: ? It wouldn't be installed by default. Do you mean missing from the configured repo?
1189 [08:29:11] <alkisg> If you want to prohibit them, sure
1190 [08:29:19] <dw> teatime: yes, naturally
1191 [08:29:19] <shtrb> alkisg, no such checkbox (plasma-mn)
1192 [08:29:28] <rue_> anyone know how I get iceweasel to open pages like lynx can? replaced-url
1193 [08:29:32] <teatime> dw: Doesn't it use official debian repos?
1194 [08:29:36] <dw> teatime: grepping the package lists manually does not reveal it, but e.g. packages.debian.org clearly shows an entry for it
1195 [08:29:36] <alkisg> shtrb: ah, I don't know, I'm using nm-connection-editor, gtk
1196 [08:29:37] <rue_> no, I dont want to change to firefox...
1197 [08:29:44] <shtrb> alkisg, thanks
1198 [08:29:50] <dw> teatime: it's using "deb.debian.org", i'd never seen that URL before. i'm used to ftp.*.debian.org. could that be related?
1199 [08:29:52] <alkisg> shtrb: you can also manually edit the connection files
1200 [08:29:54] <teatime> dw: so 'apt-cache search haproxy' doesn't show it?
1201 [08:30:03] <dw> teatime: right, missing from apt-cache search
1202 [08:30:10] <shtrb> rue_, disable or change your cyphers
1203 [08:30:20] <teatime> dw: that should be fine, it's a redirector. but yeah you can try changing it, perhaps you're getting redirected to a broken mirror.
1204 [08:30:29] <teatime> dw: I assume you did apt-get update already
1205 [08:30:29] <rue_> shtrb, ok, how?
1206 [08:30:35] <BossNiggar> Hey rue_, why dont cha just just OpenWebSpider or something like that?
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1208 [08:30:42] <dw> hrm, i thought the package lists were signed by upstream :S but maybe broken mirror could explain it :)
1209 [08:30:48] <dw> teatime: yep! thanks, broken mirror is a great idea
1210 [08:30:55] <dw> teatime: back in 5 .. :)
1211 [08:31:19] <shtrb> rue_, just entered that site I think you are missing some CAs or if you have something like fortinet you did not install the fortinet CA cert
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1213 [08:31:53] <rue_> sit works in lynx
1214 [08:32:13] <rue_> so your saying lynx has a fortinet cert and iceweasel dosnt??
1215 [08:32:25] <dw> teatime: grmbl, nope.. i can see from download file size this new mirror (i've been using for a decade+) is sending me the same package list
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1217 [08:32:41] <mnuhmnuh> dw: replaced-url
1218 [08:32:53] <shtrb> rue_ , if you fortinet for example but no lynx might just allow to connect with SSL issues
1219 [08:33:09] <mnuhmnuh> ftp's being discontinued.
1220 [08:33:22] <dw> let's see what happens if i add contrib and non-free, but pretty certain it's in main
1221 [08:33:27] <teatime> dw: oh, duh. it's not in debian 8.
1222 [08:33:35] <teatime> dw: I mis-read thought you said 9. it's in debian 9, though.
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1224 [08:33:44] <rue_> what was so horrid about ftp?
1225 [08:33:45] <dw> teatime: b..but.. replaced-url
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1227 [08:33:54] <dw> rue_: people hardcode mirrors, load balancing sucks
1228 [08:33:54] <teatime> nm I searched wrong sigh
1229 [08:34:07] <rue_> lynx shows no errors
1230 [08:34:17] <teatime> what, couldn't they just make it anycast?
1231 [08:34:21] <rue_> I dont 'fortinet' its a blooming home network
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1233 [08:34:29] <dw> let's see if non-free and contrib change anything
1234 [08:34:40] <deicide-> anyone here good with tlp?
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1236 [08:35:01] <shtrb> rue_, if you have fortinet in your network normally you are aware of that
1237 [08:35:10] <teatime> grr, does p.d.o not show what section stuff in in??
1238 [08:35:11] <rue_> no I dont have fortinet
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1240 [08:35:20] <rue_> you can throw out any firtinet notions
1241 [08:35:27] <teatime> deicide-: ask your actual question.
1242 [08:35:30] <dw> teatime: nope :) maybe packages.qa.debian does, i didn't check
1243 [08:35:31] <rue_> its a problem with iceweasel
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1245 [08:35:50] <shtrb> ok , what cert information do you have (cypher types and sha1 fingerprint) ?
1246 [08:35:54] <rue_> thousands of people have problems with it, its ssl related, and none of the fixes are working for me
1247 [08:36:04] <rue_> how do I find out?
1248 [08:36:27] <TheMess> rue are u trying to do a ssl attack or something?
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1250 [08:36:41] <rue_> no, I'm trying to view a non-login, public webpage
1251 [08:36:43] <shtrb> click on the lock icon , then on more information
1252 [08:36:54] <rue_> which I can do fine from lynx, but not iceweasel
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1255 [08:37:12] <mnuhmnuh> rue_: iceweasel == firefox-esr.
1256 [08:37:14] <teatime> technically iceweasel support is not here
1257 [08:37:15] <rue_> 10.0.5, no lock icon
1258 [08:37:22] <rue_> yea
1259 [08:37:38] <rue_> but debian created iceweasel to get around the firefox issue...
1260 [08:37:42] <shtrb> there was a bug #728068 when TLS was not enabled
1261 [08:37:42] <teatime> yes but it's old
1262 [08:37:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1263 [08:38:24] <dw> teatime: good lord i'm a blithering idiot, the image i'm using is wheezy (7)
1264 [08:38:26] <shtrb> 10.0.5 is your iceweasel version ?
1265 [08:38:29] <rue_> yea
1266 [08:38:32] <teatime> rue_: firefox-esr + xul-ext-iceweasel-branding would work on stable.
1267 [08:38:41] <rue_> it has a menu bar, a home icon, and no annoying start pages
1268 [08:38:45] <teatime> dw: I don't feel so bad now. at least you figured it out :)
1269 [08:38:48] <mnuhmnuh> dw: ha haaaaa.
1270 [08:38:52] <rue_> which no other browser to date has
1271 [08:39:37] <rue_> oh and dont get me started about how SLOW chomium is
1272 [08:39:41] <teatime> rue_: I have all of those things in firefox-esr
1273 [08:39:46] <dw> debian's "let's give twelve names to every release" thing has been slipping me up since literally the 90s
1274 [08:39:58] <teatime> rue_: I think I had to twiddle an about:config to get the home icon back, don't remember
1275 [08:40:06] <rue_> click the fire menu with your mouse then!
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1277 [08:40:20] <shtrb> rua_, you can disable all these and enable what you like but TLS 1.2 should be enabled (about:config or via a package)
1278 [08:40:22] <teatime> the fire menu?
1279 [08:40:30] <rue_> and when you open it, its got a page with a bunch of history junk all over it
1280 [08:40:44] <rue_> that really annoys me
1281 [08:40:49] <teatime> you can disable that though
1282 [08:41:03] <dw> thanks all
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1284 [08:41:32] <shtrb> rue_, you can disable it
1285 [08:41:55] <rue_> like with chromium that does a redirect after 250ms?
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1287 [08:42:19] <rue_> or soemthing that causes it not to go there in the first palce
1288 [08:42:41] <rue_> can you get it to do that for new windows and have new tabs be blank?
1289 [08:42:42] <teatime> rue_: you mean the File menu? It's still there if you press alt, and you can make it always-visible like it used to be under right-click-on-toolbars, Customize, Show/Hide Toolbars
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1291 [08:43:07] <shtrb> rue_, browser.newtab.url
1292 [08:43:12] <rue_> I have a few machines, I'll keep wrestling with -esr on them
1293 [08:43:17] <shtrb> rue_, browser.newtab.url=blank
1294 [08:43:26] <rue_> about:config?
1295 [08:43:49] <TheMess> what are u guys trying to do?
1296 [08:43:51] <shtrb> yes , in about:config choose browser.newtab.url and make it blank (no text)
1297 [08:44:06] <rue_> tls is enabled in iceweasel
1298 [08:44:08] <shtrb> and to enable TLS just make minVersion 1 and maxVErsion 3
1299 [08:44:13] <teatime> TheMess: convince rue to switch from iceweasel
1300 [08:44:45] <TheMess> what is iceweasel?
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1302 [08:44:55] * mnuhmnuh somebody warn dw: that wheezy LTS ends 31 May 2018.
1303 [08:44:56] <rue_> its the bandaid for copyright problems
1304 [08:44:58] <shtrb> TheMess, or help him with his old iceweasel version
1305 [08:45:00] <teatime> TheMess: what debian used to be forced to call firefox.
1306 [08:45:54] <shtrb> Does anyone remember the plasmoid which showed ModemManger infromation (mmcli ) ?
1307 [08:46:13] <TheMess> I don't use Firefox in debian lol
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1309 [08:46:40] <shtrb> TheMess, different people use different browsers
1310 [08:46:57] <shtrb> Iceweasel / firefox was the go to browser in the oast
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1313 [08:47:23] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: what debian proudly called what they had (a browser), instead of running the corporocratists mess called firefox.
1314 [08:47:38] <rue_> even tho iceweasel cant open more and more pages becasue of the ssl2 *^*&^%%$, its still a preferable browser to anything else
1315 [08:47:50] <shtrb> iceweasel and firefox are now mess
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1317 [08:48:03] <shtrb> still using it, but it is a big privacy mess
1318 [08:48:11] <mnuhmnuh> qupzilla & w3m work for most i use.
1319 [08:48:28] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: it was just firefox with different name and logo.
1320 [08:48:30] <rue_> yes, the bandaid was good for a while, then it was decided that bleeding out wasn't as bad as it'd been made out to be :)
1321 [08:49:05] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: i know. lawyer shite.
1322 [08:49:10] <shtrb> mnuhmnuh, w3m has it's own issue
1323 [08:49:14] <rue_> it'll hit the fan again when mozilla starts importing closed source extensions
1324 [08:49:14] <shtrb> *issues
1325 [08:49:22] <rue_> that to eeevil things
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1327 [08:49:41] <shtrb> rue_, check your motherboard it has a bunch of closed source stuff :)
1328 [08:50:04] <rue_> yea, I know, should we talk about the pi?
1329 [08:50:07] * mnuhmnuh ha.
1330 [08:50:22] <shtrb> I like the pi, it also have some closed stuff :-(
1331 [08:50:51] <TheMess> Raspberry Pi?
1332 [08:51:00] <shtrb> rue_, are you using debian armhf ?
1333 [08:51:12] <shtrb> TheMess, yes it is the Pi
1334 [08:51:24] <rue_> I appreciate debians attempt to slide the world into open source os, but there dosn't seem to have been enough inertia to cause the required landslide
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1336 [08:52:26] <rue_> shtrb, I just started playing with a pi today, and I wanted to know how to read a gpio pin replaced-url
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1338 [08:52:38] <rue_> (Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
1339 [08:52:49] <rue_> I dont even need a freaking secure connection
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1341 [08:53:03] <rue_> ------ MIDDLE ATTACK ME, I DONT CARE!!! ----
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1343 [08:53:29] <shtrb> rue_, you can use other sources, also if you are running from the pi (armel/hf) you can use other browsers
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1345 [08:53:47] <shtrb> just remember that rasbpian != debian armel/hf
1346 [08:53:51] <rue_> I'm not using a browser on the pi
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1348 [08:54:04] <shtrb> but it so much fun !
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1350 [08:54:07] <teatime> shtrb: is debian on pi 3 ready for use etc.? do you have an links to docs for that combination?
1351 [08:54:08] <rue_> I just want to know how I can write code to take a picture when I push a button
1352 [08:54:33] <shtrb> teatime, If I have a shell I'm happy
1353 [08:54:38] <rue_> *but* *THIS* comes up again, and yes, this time I can read the page in lynx, and THAT DEFINES STUPID
1354 [08:54:46] <TheMess> rue_, what kind of code?
1355 [08:54:49] <teatime> shtrb: I plan to switch from rasp to deb, but was holding off because rasp has helpful stuff like rpiconfig, wasn't sure if debian was well-polished on Pi yet, or just barely-installable
1356 [08:54:54] <TheMess> like what language
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1358 [08:54:58] <rue_> I'm thinking of maybe just using python
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1360 [08:55:12] <teatime> rue_, buddy, it sounds like you're blaming debian or something... it's not our fault.
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1362 [08:55:16] <TheMess> import turtle
1363 [08:55:18] <shtrb> teatime, I'm on the same step , but also trying to see if I can get one of the screens to work with
1364 [08:55:29] <teatime> rue_: your older browser and the server you want to use that we don't control, don't agree on what ciphers they're willing to use.
1365 [08:56:01] <shtrb> rue_, did you set min to 1 and max to 3 in about:config
1366 [08:56:03] <shtrb> for TLS
1367 [08:56:14] <rue_> teatime, I sorta see it as a spat between debian and mozilla, that got sidewalled by ssl2 going bust, and google pushing everyone into shttp
1368 [08:56:18] <rue_> https...
1369 [08:56:27] <rue_> I have no min and max
1370 [08:56:37] <teatime> rue_: it has nothing to do with the iceweasel trademark thing.
1371 [08:56:50] <shtrb> security.tls.version.min
1372 [08:57:06] <teatime> rue_: also you're not answering shtrb who has been trying to help you for a while.
1373 [08:57:09] <rue_> there are 3 tls settings, enable, enable session tickets, and enable for sync
1374 [08:57:22] <rue_> shtrb, sorry, I'll focus
1375 [08:57:38] <shtrb> rue_, securirty.tls.version.min and ...max
1376 [08:57:39] <rue_> shtrb, I dont know how to create that setting
1377 [08:58:28] <rue_> shtrb, as an integer or string?
1378 [08:58:35] <shtrb> right click , new , integer
1379 [08:58:59] <rue_> got it
1380 [08:59:00] <shtrb> I hope that enough to have the min/max setup for you (if iceweasel had TLS at that point )
1381 [08:59:03] <rue_> min 1, max 3?
1382 [08:59:06] <shtrb> yes
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1384 [08:59:54] <rue_> do you know if I need to restart iceweasel for that?
1385 [09:00:02] <shtrb> I have no clue
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1387 [09:00:36] <rue_> I clicked reload, and SOMETHING on the error message changed, but I didn't catch what it changed from
1388 [09:00:42] <rue_> (Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
1389 [09:01:11] <rue_> it would be nice if it said what cards the two sides were holding
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1397 [09:05:08] <rue_> replaced-url
1398 [09:05:12] <rue_> (lots of them)
1399 [09:05:21] <rue_> oh their all tls
1400 [09:05:21] <jusss> I found openvpn server can not run on my debian, replaced-url
1401 [09:05:24] <jusss> help
1402 [09:06:08] <rue_> ooh, there is only one ssl iceweasel does support
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1405 [09:07:23] <rue_> so, basicalyl EVERY cipher on my browser has been cracked, and some webservers refuse to talk with me becaseu of that, instead of saying that any secure data is vunerable and letting me SEE THE PAGE, (sorry, I'm frustrated)
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1407 [09:07:56] <rue_> I think I can say thanks and be quiet again
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1411 [09:09:32] <rue_> this isnt the server, its iceweasel refusing to just show me the page
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1415 [09:10:06] <shtrb> rue_, there is a hype now to move everything to TLS, some providers block non encrypted traffic by default
1416 [09:10:23] <shtrb> unless it was whitelisted
1417 [09:10:48] <alkisg> rue_: I haven't been watching the conversation, but make sure your computer date is correct, otherwise all certificates are considered invalid
1418 [09:10:53] <rue_> this is stupid, what if I just want to see a publically posted picture of a cat!?
1419 [09:11:08] <shtrb> rue_, no one cares what you need
1420 [09:11:19] <shtrb> *from the view of the operator/developers
1421 [09:11:20] <rue_> is it that important that a hacker dosn't incercept my session with a pic of his dick?
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1424 [09:11:38] <rue_> screams..
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1426 [09:12:21] * rue_ cries 'just a picture of a cat....'
1427 [09:12:22] <shtrb> rue_, the best part is when there is mandated MITM (for the children yes for the children and pr0n) , and everything just stop working
1428 [09:12:32] <themill> I assume someone has already suggested that you upgrade to a supported release of Debian.
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1430 [09:12:42] <shtrb> themill, yes
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1432 [09:12:55] <rue_> the new debian dosn't work, I'v tried it on a few machines
1433 [09:12:55] <shtrb> rue_, you can setup sslstrip and connect over it
1434 [09:13:01] <rue_> oh?
1435 [09:13:13] <rue_> as a proxy?
1436 [09:13:16] <shtrb> rue_, share how it does not work and file a bug if something is broken
1437 [09:13:18] <shtrb> rue_, yes
1438 [09:13:20] <rue_> _I'm _ the man in the middle?
1439 [09:13:23] <shtrb> yes
1440 [09:13:26] <rue_> hmm
1441 [09:13:29] <rue_> sneaky
1442 [09:14:11] <shtrb> there was also a package that would add TLS and repackage (forgot the name)
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1445 [09:16:05] <rue_> then I could use it to auto-insert -pinterest into all my google searches?
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1447 [09:16:36] <shtrb> you can do what ever you like
1448 [09:16:43] <shtrb> upgrading debian would be better ...
1449 [09:16:52] <rue_> almost all it has is tls, but it must only be up to 64 bit, none of it has the 128 and 256 settings
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1452 [09:17:10] <rue_> why dont we just jump right to 8192?
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1454 [09:17:32] <rue_> if were just gonna end up using 8kib keys, why not start now!?!?!
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1571 [10:17:39] <eoli3n> Hi
1572 [10:17:49] <eoli3n> is there any way to tell preseed to NOT install grub
1573 [10:17:52] <eoli3n> ?
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1577 [10:19:21] <themill> eoli3n: according to the docs, «d-i grub-installer/skip boolean true»
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1581 [10:22:44] <eoli3n> thx themill just found
1582 [10:23:00] <eoli3n> i need to know what really does only_debian and with_other_os
1583 [10:23:06] <eoli3n> where are preseed code source ?
1584 [10:23:23] <eoli3n> which option is passed to grub-install when set one or other to true or false
1585 [10:23:25] <eoli3n> ?
1586 [10:23:43] <eoli3n> preseed grub install keeps breaking Win7 bootloader
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1588 [10:24:23] <eoli3n> that's strange because md5sum diff tells that, installing grub with preseed options change 0>446 MBR bytes (aka bootloader)
1589 [10:24:29] <eoli3n> when reboot win7 is broken
1590 [10:24:40] <eoli3n> then i boot win7 CDROM and repair
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1592 [10:25:05] <eoli3n> it doesn't touch at 0>446 but it repair by editing C:\Boot\BCD
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1594 [10:25:49] <eoli3n> and again and again (kickstart > bootloader changed : impossible to boot win7 > repair with win7 CDROM : it just edit BCD file, etc...
1595 [10:25:52] <eoli3n> )
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1597 [10:25:53] <teatime> eoli3n: do you resize or relocate or otherwise modify the windows partition as part of the preseed install?
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1600 [10:26:07] <eoli3n> teatime: i'm not talking about partition table
1601 [10:26:11] <eoli3n> it stays the same
1602 [10:26:15] <teatime> that wasn't my question
1603 [10:26:15] <eoli3n> teatime: lets paste something
1604 [10:26:24] <eoli3n> so
1605 [10:26:26] <eoli3n> i don't
1606 [10:26:33] <house__> I think I just witnessed something
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1608 [10:26:41] <eoli3n> i don't think
1609 [10:26:44] <eoli3n> lets paste something
1610 [10:27:06] <eoli3n> that's my kickstart file -> replaced-url
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1612 [10:27:35] <eoli3n> and that's what happen -> replaced-url
1613 [10:28:10] <eoli3n> orange case, are when the state of file differ from previous state
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1618 [10:29:19] <teatime> when you say windows is broken, you mean it fails to boot when grub attempts to chainload, right?
1619 [10:29:24] <eoli3n> teatime: you can see that the entire sda1 md5sum doens't change while installing with kickstart
1620 [10:29:31] <eoli3n> teatime: right
1621 [10:29:45] <house__> pretty sure its a hardware failure. Is it possible for a file being copied to collide with a file playing on the local display?
1622 [10:31:06] <bravvve22> hi,am installing linux headers under vps,distribution is jessie but kernel is 2.6.32,is there solution to get this headres cause vps does not permit kernel update
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1626 [10:32:11] <SirLagz> bravvve22: sounds like it's a openvz container
1627 [10:32:11] <eoli3n> teatime: the strange part is that before using kickstart, i was installing grub manually with some custom script (pxe boot debianbootstart -> detar.xz slash from NFS -> install bootloader with chroot) and it wasn't doing that strange behaviour
1628 [10:32:27] <teatime> eoli3n: perhaps looking at the BCD data (bcdedit or whatever) before and after the preseed install would be informative.
1629 [10:32:40] <eoli3n> you're right
1630 [10:32:55] <eoli3n> but the problem seems coming from preseed grub install
1631 [10:33:04] <eoli3n> lets try to look at BCD
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1633 [10:33:19] <teatime> eoli3n: it's not *that* strange, I'm used to windows acting like this, but only when I move its partition around. Like you, I've never had it happen just from installing grub w/o messing w/ the windows part.
1634 [10:33:31] <eoli3n> parrallely, is there any way to check what "only_debian" and "with_other_os" does in preseed install ?
1635 [10:34:05] <bravvve22> SirLagz:yes it is
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1637 [10:34:08] <eoli3n> teatime: did you take a look at my kickstart file ? you will see that, i think, i don't touch to windows part
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1641 [10:34:40] <teatime> eoli3n: I beleived your checksums.
1642 [10:34:46] <eoli3n> yep
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1645 [10:35:21] <eoli3n> so lets take a look at what BCD is edited for
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1649 [10:37:27] <SirLagz> bravvve22: what are you trying to do with the linux headers?
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1651 [10:38:17] <bravvve22> asterisk
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1655 [10:38:30] <bravvve22> SirLagz:asterisk
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1657 [10:39:16] <SirLagz> bravvve22: why not just install the deb packages?
1658 [10:39:21] <eoli3n> ahhh teatime i already saw what changed in BCD with "view details" -> here is the paste -> replaced-url
1659 [10:40:01] <eoli3n> that's disk identifier which change
1660 [10:40:25] <teatime> disk, or part?
1661 [10:40:37] <eoli3n> i don't know
1662 [10:40:42] <eoli3n> Identifier: {FCCC.....}
1663 [10:40:46] <teatime> the sfdisk in your pre-part script is suspicious to me, but I don't know what it does
1664 [10:40:51] <teatime> and I certianly don't know windows tools :)
1665 [10:41:08] <eoli3n> teatime: sfdisk manage partition table, which never change
1666 [10:41:14] <eoli3n> see checksums
1667 [10:41:28] <teatime> eoli3n: I meant I don't know what your script does with it specifically
1668 [10:41:34] <eoli3n> sfdisk part was the same that i use before with my custom scripts, and i worked well
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1670 [10:41:39] <eoli3n> oh
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1673 [10:42:01] <teatime> well if it changes the UUID of the windows part. which your checksums seem to indicate it doesn't. but it's suspicious.
1674 [10:42:01] <eoli3n> i do this specially to tell kickstart to erase all part exept first one
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1676 [10:42:19] <eoli3n> i can assure you that's its not the problem
1677 [10:42:47] <eoli3n> restoring a part table backup on the same part table does no changes
1678 [10:42:52] <eoli3n> it just erase other partitions
1679 [10:43:04] <eoli3n> et create from sector to sector same windows part
1680 [10:43:09] <eoli3n> which does nothing
1681 [10:43:11] <eoli3n> (on win part)
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1683 [10:44:05] <teatime> yeah I guess sfdisk wouldn't change partition UUID anyway. you should check disk UUID before and after preseed install, perhaps that's it (blind guess)
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1685 [10:44:08] <bravvve22> SirLagz:well ,i did not worked,but now its seems its working
1686 [10:44:20] <eoli3n> teatime: you're right lets check
1687 [10:44:27] <eoli3n> problem is that BCD file isn't clear
1688 [10:44:30] <eoli3n> windows...
1689 [10:44:34] <eoli3n> urgh
1690 [10:44:48] <eoli3n> we don't know well what changed
1691 [10:44:49] <teatime> yeah, it's truly a windows issue IMO, even if a debian install makes it appear.
1692 [10:45:28] <eoli3n> as said before, the strange part is that doing manually what does preseed and installer, doesn't make problem appear
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1696 [10:46:05] <huwjr> Hi can anyone point me in the direction of any info as to know what OS versions/kernels are patched for Meltdown?
1697 [10:46:16] <teatime> the two preseed options you were asking about... have you tried twiddling them?
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1699 [10:46:42] <eoli3n> i just tried true false on two or one or other, but i don't like to try something i don't know what it does
1700 [10:46:50] <eoli3n> debian is open source, so where are sources :) ?
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1704 [10:48:14] <SirLagz> eoli3n: deb-src repots
1705 [10:48:15] <SirLagz> repos*
1706 [10:48:27] <themill> or sources.debian.org
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1711 [10:49:32] <themill> d-i is a bit of a beast of repos, however; follow the instructions on the wiki to get them
1712 [10:49:32] <teatime> eoli3n: it's a valid question. preseed is underdocumented.
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1715 [10:51:46] <eoli3n> themill: which wiki, link please ?
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1722 [10:55:06] <themill> replaced-url
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1814 [11:49:05] <shtrb> ,v The Project that shall not be named
1815 [11:49:06] <judd> No package named 'The' was found in amd64.
1816 [11:49:28] <shtrb> ,v The Project that shall not be named
1817 [11:49:29] <judd> No package named 'The' was found in amd64.
1818 [11:49:30] <shtrb> #@R@F
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1826 [11:51:10] <shtrb> ,v systemd
1827 [11:51:11] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 236-3~bpo9+1; buster: 236-3; sid: 236-3
1828 [11:51:15] <shtrb> at last
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1830 [11:53:48] <shtrb> Does anyone remember the plasmoid which showed Modem Manger information (mmcli ) ?
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1866 [12:08:06] <eoli3n> teatime: blkid says that UUID doesn't change
1867 [12:08:12] <eoli3n> but PARTUUID changed ...
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1869 [12:08:20] <eoli3n> between before and after kickstart
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1872 [12:08:43] <eoli3n> i can't explain more now, but it seems that it is not sfdisk which change part uuid but partman
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1876 [12:09:37] <teatime> eoli3n: that's def the problem, then. dunno the cause.
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1878 [12:10:27] <eoli3n> is there any cli tool to repair Win7 bootloader at the end of installation ?
1879 [12:10:50] <teatime> nafaik
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1882 [12:11:05] <eoli3n> do you know the partman dev ?
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1885 [12:12:03] <eoli3n> or maybe i could backup partUUID at the start of kickstart, then restore it at the end
1886 [12:12:36] <teatime> don't think it works like that, but I don't really know how it does work.
1887 [12:13:09] <eoli3n> i was meaning, to lets windows bootloader match previous partUUID
1888 [12:13:23] <eoli3n> this could be a try
1889 [12:13:45] <teatime> I understood what you meant
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1891 [12:14:07] <teatime> apparently for ntfs, the "uuid" displayed under *nix is the "ntfs serial number". whatever that is. if it helps you.
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1893 [12:14:58] <alkisg> eoli3n: bios or uefi?
1894 [12:15:05] <eoli3n> bios
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1898 [12:15:27] <eoli3n> teatime: UUID doesn't change
1899 [12:15:30] <alkisg> eoli3n: so, you want to remove e.g. debian/grub, and restore the windows mbr?
1900 [12:15:42] <eoli3n> alkisg: i don't
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1902 [12:15:50] <teatime> eoli3n: I have been talking about PARTUUID.
1903 [12:15:50] <alkisg> What do you mean by "windows boot loader"?
1904 [12:15:55] <eoli3n> i want to kickstart install over existing dualboot
1905 [12:15:57] <teatime> eoli3n: the filesystem one, not the disk one
1906 [12:16:02] <eoli3n> and replace only linux, without kicking windows
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1908 [12:16:20] <alkisg> eoli3n: does "ntldr /bootmgr; boot" work if you type it in grub?
1909 [12:16:38] <eoli3n> teatime: ok, but changing PARTUUID (which is ntfs serial) means reformat ntfs, which i don't
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1911 [12:16:49] <eoli3n> alkisg: is this a cmd ?
1912 [12:16:53] <teatime> eoli3n: but you said it changes, yes?
1913 [12:16:55] <alkisg> Windows doesn't care about uuid as long as it's the first active partition
1914 [12:17:01] <alkisg> No need to bother with uuids
1915 [12:17:03] <eoli3n> teatime: it changed in blkid
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1917 [12:17:17] <alkisg> eoli3n: yes, you type "c" in grub to get a command prompt
1918 [12:17:18] <eoli3n> alkisg: teatime lets paste something
1919 [12:17:22] <teatime> alkisg: he's just trying to figure out what changes
1920 [12:17:35] <alkisg> With what, chainloader +1?
1921 [12:17:36] <eoli3n> alkisg: windows boot, but ask for repair
1922 [12:17:38] <alkisg> What changes where?
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1924 [12:17:55] <alkisg> eoli3n: can you ask the exact question again?
1925 [12:18:05] <teatime> alkisg: if he does preseed install, windows can't boot after. but the windows partition he thinks is definitely unmodified.
1926 [12:18:12] <teatime> yeah that would help I'm sure
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1930 [12:18:24] <eoli3n> alkisg: teatime : replaced-url
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1932 [12:19:35] <alkisg> eoli3n: wait. So, you preseed debian install, you get grub normally with a "boot windows" entry, and you say it doesn't boot?
1933 [12:19:40] <tombom> Hello everyone. I just installed Debian 9 netinstall on a usb drive, and all went perfectly fine. When I boot the pc I always have a 'Temporary failure resolving $address", where $address can be ftp.it.debian.org if I try to update, or the website I'm pinging. During installation ethernet cards worked perfectly. What can it be? pc is an asus eeepc 1001pxd, has already run debian without non-free packages perfectly
1934 [12:19:50] <eoli3n> alkisg: actual kickstart file -> replaced-url
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1936 [12:20:00] <eoli3n> alkisg: that's what i said yes
1937 [12:20:02] <eoli3n> it boot
1938 [12:20:06] <eoli3n> but windows breaks
1939 [12:20:12] <eoli3n> windows start, but ask for repair
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1941 [12:20:21] <eoli3n> repair win7 with CDROM works
1942 [12:20:25] <alkisg> Ah, that's completely different to "windows bootloader"
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1946 [12:20:44] <eoli3n> where do you read "windows bootloader" ?
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1949 [12:21:04] <alkisg> (01:13:09 μμ) eoli3n: i was meaning, to lets windows bootloader match previous partUUID
1950 [12:21:12] <tombom> I thought about the kernel may not work with my pc, but the installation didn't have trouble so I wonder if that could be the issue
1951 [12:21:17] <shtrb> eoli3n, in windows 10 and others you can fix the boot loader
1952 [12:21:18] <eoli3n> hm ok
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1955 [12:21:29] <eoli3n> shtrb: thx, but i'm on win7
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1957 [12:21:50] <eoli3n> alkisg: do you get what this means ? replaced-url
1958 [12:21:55] <alkisg> eoli3n: what are those a653 numbers?
1959 [12:22:01] <eoli3n> md5sums
1960 [12:22:06] <alkisg> Of the MBR?
1961 [12:22:11] <eoli3n> i check if step by step, it differ
1962 [12:22:16] <eoli3n> alkisg: check top column
1963 [12:22:24] <eoli3n> sda 0>446 bytes
1964 [12:22:26] <eoli3n> etc
1965 [12:22:27] <shtrb> I think bootrec works there too
1966 [12:22:41] <eoli3n> shtrb: bootrec ?
1967 [12:22:55] <shtrb> eoli3n, that's the command from windows to fix MBR
1968 [12:23:01] <eoli3n> i don't need that txh
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1971 [12:23:14] <shtrb> After you fix that and remove dirty bit you can reinstall grub
1972 [12:23:15] <eoli3n> i'm debugging kickstart to deploy automatically on 800 nodes
1973 [12:23:22] <eoli3n> shtrb: i'm not a end user
1974 [12:23:25] <eoli3n> i'm sysadmin
1975 [12:23:27] <shtrb> sorry
1976 [12:23:32] <alkisg> eoli3n: so in row 2, the 446 bytes md5sum is different yet the 1024*50 is the same? How is that possible?
1977 [12:23:38] <teatime> eoli3n: say preseed instead of kickstart or someone's gonna tell you to go to #rhel :)
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1979 [12:23:49] <shtrb> I was about to say that :)
1980 [12:23:52] <eoli3n> teatime: right
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1982 [12:24:07] <eoli3n> alkisg: it's pretty clear, what don't you understand
1983 [12:24:10] <eoli3n> line are steps
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1985 [12:24:20] <eoli3n> install kickstart, then repair win7 then reinstall kickstart etc
1986 [12:24:32] <teatime> alkisg: one of them is sda one is sda1
1987 [12:24:33] <eoli3n> collumn are "what md5sum i'm checking now"
1988 [12:24:39] <eoli3n> teatime: yep
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1990 [12:24:45] <alkisg> teatime: ah, ty, overlooked that
1991 [12:24:48] <eoli3n> because i test start of sda1
1992 [12:24:53] <eoli3n> ahh
1993 [12:24:54] <teatime> eoli3n: there's empty space in front of sda1 ?
1994 [12:24:55] <eoli3n> ok
1995 [12:25:06] <teatime> 'cause if it's right at the front of the disk, then the question remains
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1997 [12:25:24] <eoli3n> yep between end of sda MBR 512b, and 2048 start of sdaX datas
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1999 [12:25:41] <eoli3n> gap is on sda 512>2048 bytes
2000 [12:25:42] <teatime> oh nm I'm wrong anyway. carry on.
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2004 [12:26:27] <eoli3n> teatime: do you see the strange thing ?
2005 [12:26:30] <eoli3n> at last line
2006 [12:26:39] <teatime> eoli3n: I actually do not understand the last line
2007 [12:26:43] <teatime> what is PRE and POST
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2010 [12:27:18] <eoli3n> teatime: the thing is that in "preseed" file, i backup BEFORE and AFTER
2011 [12:27:28] <alkisg> eoli3n: so you're using sfdisk to redefine the windows partition even though it's already there? Doesn't that write a new uuid?
2012 [12:27:31] <eoli3n> then when preseeding at 4 - PRE is BEFORE
2013 [12:27:38] <eoli3n> BEFORE should be as 3-
2014 [12:28:04] <eoli3n> alkisg: i do, it doesnt write a new UUID nor PARTUUID
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2018 [12:28:26] <teatime> can you link your preseed again (for my convenience)
2019 [12:28:26] <eoli3n> alkisg: problem is that it seems to be partman which set a new PARTUUID
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2021 [12:28:33] <alkisg> partuuid is inside the partition so sfdisk doesn't touch it, but I would expect a different uuid. OK, if you checked it...
2022 [12:28:47] <eoli3n> replaced-url
2023 [12:28:56] <alkisg> partuuid matters, it's in the bcd store
2024 [12:29:01] <eoli3n> alkisg: check last collumn
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2026 [12:29:40] <eoli3n> alkisg: when i repair with win7, here is log of what it does -> replaced-url
2027 [12:29:52] <eoli3n> strange...
2028 [12:29:53] <teatime> Isn't there a question of, how can partuuid change when the partition data itself doesn't?
2029 [12:30:04] <eoli3n> you're right teatime
2030 [12:30:06] <alkisg> eoli3n: btw, is sda1 the active partition? usually, even with different partuuid, windows is able to set it to C: and continue
2031 [12:30:14] <teatime> Seems you might need to read up more on where ntfs partuuid's / ntfs volume serial numbers come from
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2034 [12:30:23] <eoli3n> alkisg: you mean "boot" flag ?
2035 [12:30:26] <alkisg> yes
2036 [12:30:34] <eoli3n> it is set to on
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2038 [12:30:38] <alkisg> ok
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2040 [12:31:17] <eoli3n> it will makes me crazy
2041 [12:31:33] <eoli3n> need to eat a bit guys, thx a lot for your help, i appreciate
2042 [12:31:39] <teatime> good luck.
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2044 [12:31:48] <eoli3n> thx, i come back in 1h
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2047 [12:36:34] <teatime> eoli3n: I can't figure out why this line has a backslash: cat <<\EOF > /tmp/pre_part.sh
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2051 [12:37:14] <teatime> eoli3n: and "backup MBR" command is commented out
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2063 [12:46:05] <teatime> eoli3n: it seems as though "identifier" from bcdedit is not the partuuid
2064 [12:46:26] <teatime> eoli3n: just a 'boot menu entry' unique id
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2067 [12:48:53] <tombom> Hello everyone. I just installed Debian 9 netinstall on a usb drive, and all went perfectly fine. When I boot the pc I always have a 'Temporary failure resolving $address", where $address can be ftp.it.debian.org if I try to update, or the website I'm pinging. During installation ethernet cards worked perfectly. What can it be? pc is an asus eeepc 1001pxd, has already run debian without non-free packages perfectly
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2072 [12:50:16] <teatime> tombom: search dmesg output for 'firmware'; see if there are any errors about loading firmware
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2076 [12:56:17] <tombom> teatime, thanks, looking for it now
2077 [12:56:18] <teatime> eoli3n: it appears that BCD is in the same format as windows registry, and there are several tools available to edit that from linux, if you get more desperate (I assume it would be a PITA to figure out what you need to do at that low of a level)
2078 [12:56:35] <teatime> tombom: perhaps `sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware`
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2093 [13:01:49] <tombom> teatime, that's all: replaced-url
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2095 [13:02:54] <tombom> just 2 lines, I'm checking if they are relevant
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2100 [13:05:05] <tombom> they don't seem relevant to the wifi. I know that the packages for it are included in the free repo, and with debian 8 was working just fine
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2105 [13:08:36] <teatime> tombom: welp, all you really know is your network isn't working, right?
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2107 [13:09:01] <teatime> tombom: does the device show up (in, say, `ip addr show`) ?
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2111 [13:10:57] <shtrb> tomtom, was it you few days ago with rfkill not seeing but reloading the kernel module fixed the issue ?
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2113 [13:11:32] <tombom> teatime, both enp1s0 (ethernet) and wlp2s0 are down, lo is unknown state, but I don't know how to put them up without ifconfig
2114 [13:11:46] <tombom> shtrb, no, it wasn't me =)
2115 [13:12:31] <teatime> tombom: ok, so the device exists, at least. just not configured.
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2117 [13:12:37] <shtrb> tombom, maybe a related issue check with rfkill if it is down (for the wifi)
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2119 [13:13:07] <teatime> tombom: is this a desktop system w/ graphics mode installed?
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2121 [13:13:17] <tombom> shtrb, no rfkill installed
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2123 [13:13:32] <tombom> teatime, is a netbook without any DE, only command line
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2126 [13:14:27] <teatime> tombom: you need to either configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces, or install network-manager and do it via nm-cli or nmtui, I suppose then
2127 [13:14:37] <shtrb> tombom, ifup or ip exists ?
2128 [13:14:50] <teatime> tombom: although if you used e.g. DHCP over ethernet to config during install, it should be configured like that after install.
2129 [13:15:16] <shtrb> ip link set blabla up
2130 [13:15:21] <shtrb> where blabla is interface name
2131 [13:15:24] <tombom> I can config network/interfaces right now, let me see...
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2133 [13:15:26] <teatime> tombom: if you did a completely offline install, then this is expected behavior I guess
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2135 [13:16:00] <tombom> it was a netinstall and wifi worked alright during installation, that's why I'm surprised
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2137 [13:16:22] <teatime> actually
2138 [13:16:31] <teatime> tombom: could you do `dpkg -l | grep network-manager`
2139 [13:17:03] <tombom> no output, I guess is not installed
2140 [13:17:09] <shtrb> tombom, are you connected with wire or expexting wifi
2141 [13:17:19] <tombom> I tried both, both now working
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2143 [13:17:32] <shtrb> ok if they work , install net-tools for ifconfig
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2145 [13:17:40] <teatime> shtrb: no
2146 [13:17:53] <shtrb> teatime, in that case use ip to bring the device up
2147 [13:18:06] <tombom> I'm trying ip now
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2149 [13:18:39] <shtrb> tombom, "ip link set interfacename up" , and you will need to set either a dhcp client (dhcpcd or dhclient)
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2151 [13:18:51] <teatime> tombom: is there anything for either eth or wifi device in /etc/network/interfaces ?
2152 [13:19:21] <teatime> shtrb: why would you bother w/ that, the same config is 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces and then remains after e.g. reboot
2153 [13:19:21] <tombom> teatime no, just lo, but seems like wlan0 is not known to the machine
2154 [13:19:33] <teatime> tombom: the names have changed
2155 [13:19:50] <teatime> wlp2s0 is your wifi devices
2156 [13:20:01] <shtrb> teatime, because first I wish to see if it will go up like that
2157 [13:20:12] <teatime> it appears you have no network configuration at all
2158 [13:20:25] <teatime> so, configure /etc/network/interfaces
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2160 [13:21:01] <teatime> tombom: 'auto enp1s0' on one line and 'iface enp1s0 inet dhcp' on the next is enough to configure the wired ethernet
2161 [13:21:45] <tombom> teatime, ok, it actually puts wlp2s0 up with ip. I'll now try with eth and cable
2162 [13:21:51] <teatime> tombom: you can configure the wlan iface in there too, but if you move locations / networks very often, you'll probably enjoy network-manager more, even though it's kindof annoying from the cli. see 'man interfaces' for more info
2163 [13:22:17] <teatime> tombom: it may be "up" but it is not configured
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2165 [13:22:32] <shtrb> or you can use wpa_supplicant.conf and setup it from there
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2182 [13:28:33] <tombom> teatime, shtrb, it works now! I just put it up with 'up link bla bla', set network interfaces and ethernet works. Thank you a lot, I was already thinking of kernel problems, was just not configured!
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2185 [13:29:21] <shtrb> tomtom setup the rest of the things , and install net-tools (it will give you ifconfig) and maybe wpasupplicant
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2187 [13:29:24] <shtrb> for wifi
2188 [13:29:33] <teatime> you don't need ifconfig
2189 [13:29:37] <teatime> fwiw
2190 [13:30:21] <shtrb> teatime, he was asking about it some time ago
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2194 [13:33:20] <tombom> me? When?
2195 [13:33:45] <tombom> yeah thanks all, from here on I can do it =)
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2198 [13:34:41] <shtrb> <tombom> teatime, both enp1s0 (ethernet) and wlp2s0 are down, lo is unknown state, but I don't know how to put them up without ifconfig
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2201 [13:36:06] <tombom> I didn't know about the ip package, now that I know it can do it I'm fine =) I'll install it anyway, I'm more used to it
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2207 [13:37:54] <teatime> tombom: it works fine for most stuff for now but is deprecated
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2216 [13:41:32] <tombom> teatime, ip or ifconfig is deprecated?
2217 [13:41:37] <teatime> ifconfig
2218 [13:41:48] <tombom> ah, I didn't know that. I'll learn ip then
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2221 [13:41:54] <tombom> not a big deal
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2223 [13:42:02] <tombom> thanks again, off to lunch now
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2229 [13:46:07] <rant> does binding something to loopback 127.0.0.1 make it only accessible locally?
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2232 [13:47:13] <rant> my vague recollection tells me yes, but I'm failing to understand why this is default on a remote desktop/application server config when you create a new connection :P
2233 [13:47:23] <BCMM> rant: you mean, like, when choosing a listening port?
2234 [13:47:35] <rant> yes when binding a server
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2236 [13:48:09] <BCMM> rant: it should make it only available locally, yes. it's the default in a lot of things as a fail-safe, to stop you accidentally putting an insecure or partially-configured service on the internet
2237 [13:48:59] <teatime> rant: which remote access application? you can use an SSH tunnel or something to get to a service running on localhost.
2238 [13:49:02] <rant> yeah I understand that for a already configured default.. but when going into this winswitch and hitting new server and it has 127.0.0.1 on all new servers you deliberately create seems silly.. you can't hardly access something remotely that way :P
2239 [13:49:18] <BCMM> rant: lotta people use ssh tunnels
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2241 [13:49:35] <rant> teatime: that could be what they are doing as most things done with winswitch is ssh tunneled
2242 [13:49:41] <teatime> (relevant options are -L for this situation and also -R for the opposite, if you're curious.)
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2244 [13:50:15] <BCMM> rant: also, i'm not familiar with winswitch but it sounds like the sort of software that somebody might use to make a VM feel a bit more integrated
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2246 [13:50:34] <BCMM> rant: i.e. multiple OSs running on same machine, windows displayed on a single desktop
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2249 [13:52:42] <BCMM> remote desktop over loopback arguably *is* silly, but it's surprisingly common
2250 [13:53:15] <shtrb> rant, kind of you must make sure it is not leasing on anything else
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2252 [13:53:41] <BluesKaj> never had much luck with VMs, there's always something that doesn't work, be it audio or a networking problem.
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2262 [13:58:52] <eoli3n> teatime: replaced-url
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2264 [13:59:17] <eoli3n> teatime: backup MBR line is commented out because i do the same with two step further
2265 [13:59:25] <eoli3n> backup 0>446 and 446>512
2266 [13:59:54] <eoli3n> is the same as 0>512, but cutted as bootloader+parttable
2267 [14:00:03] <eoli3n> MBR = bootloader + parttable
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2271 [14:01:05] <teatime> eoli3n: ok. I was just listing everything odd I could find.
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2283 [14:04:22] <eoli3n> teatime: that's ok :)
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2285 [14:04:30] <eoli3n> i asked on #debian-boot
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2302 [14:13:12] <eoli3n> teatime: i think i get something
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2304 [14:13:33] <eoli3n> sfdisk version differs, syntax of dump too
2305 [14:13:44] <eoli3n> and new syntax get label-id
2306 [14:13:48] <eoli3n> which match PARTUUID
2307 [14:13:54] <eoli3n> lets try to force it
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2309 [14:15:03] <eoli3n> hmm no
2310 [14:15:20] <eoli3n> not the problem on actual nodes PARTUUID differs
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2315 [14:17:19] <eoli3n> replaced-url
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2317 [14:18:39] <teatime> eoli3n: you've pretty much exhausted my knowledge of these areas, jsyk.
2318 [14:18:55] <teatime> glad you found #debian-boot tho, I forgot to mention it
2319 [14:19:12] <eoli3n> hm
2320 [14:19:15] <eoli3n> thx again
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2322 [14:19:51] <teatime> eoli3n: UUIDs are *supposed* to be universally unique, though :)
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2324 [14:20:25] <eoli3n> yep but my previous deploy method was a huge tar.xz uncompressed on each nodes
2325 [14:20:49] <teatime> yeah that is what I figured
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2327 [14:21:46] <teatime> eoli3n: I said before, but I think you need to really be looking into where PARTUUID comes from for NTFS. and then when you find that, find out what goes into it (supposedly it's the ntfs volume serial number.)
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2331 [14:22:15] <teatime> OH
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2333 [14:22:23] <eoli3n> OH?
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2335 [14:22:25] <teatime> eoli3n: I had one more idea.
2336 [14:22:32] <eoli3n> tell me :)
2337 [14:22:48] <teatime> eoli3n: sfdisk step sets bootable flag, but does partman step leave it intact? i.e., is bootable flag still set after preseed?
2338 [14:23:03] <eoli3n> it does
2339 [14:23:05] <eoli3n> just checked
2340 [14:23:06] <BCMM> i just realised i don't have my EFI system partition mounted. system works fine, but am I going to run in to trouble when a new version of grub comes out or something?
2341 [14:23:07] <teatime> ah well
2342 [14:23:21] <eoli3n> teatime: but if you have few more minutes
2343 [14:23:24] <BCMM> am i right in thinking that it's supposed to be mounted on /boot/efi/?
2344 [14:23:26] <eoli3n> something is really strange
2345 [14:23:27] <metastable> BCMM: GRUB, the kernel, etc.
2346 [14:23:35] <eoli3n> replaced-url
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2348 [14:23:41] <eoli3n> did you get the last line now ?
2349 [14:23:45] <eoli3n> the last line says
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2351 [14:23:50] <BCMM> metastable: the kernel? that's in /boot, not on the efi partition
2352 [14:24:11] <eoli3n> at last kickstart run, FIRSTLY backup md5sum of existant, before doint anything right ?
2353 [14:24:14] <eoli3n> so PRE
2354 [14:24:16] <teatime> eoli3n: I do get it
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2356 [14:24:20] <metastable> BCMM: Crap, I'm in systemd-boot mindset, sorry. Yes, GRUB.
2357 [14:24:26] <eoli3n> should be same as 3- repair Win7
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2359 [14:24:43] <eoli3n> so it means that something changed on disk , between reboot and sfdisk
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2361 [14:24:48] <eoli3n> and dd dump sorry
2362 [14:24:53] <eoli3n> between reboot and dd dump
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2364 [14:24:59] <eoli3n> replaced-url
2365 [14:25:09] <teatime> eoli3n: that, or something wrong w/ your preseed scripts you don't know about
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2367 [14:25:23] <eoli3n> on the kickstart file, everythings before preseed partman/early_command string /tmp/pre_part.sh
2368 [14:25:31] <eoli3n> did change something on the disk
2369 [14:25:34] <teatime> eoli3n: I closed your preseed; are you sure the info dump happens before the pre_part.sh ?
2370 [14:25:47] <eoli3n> dump are IN pre_part
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2372 [14:25:58] <teatime> ok. is that backslash I mentioned supposed to be in there, btw?
2373 [14:26:11] <eoli3n> yep
2374 [14:26:15] <eoli3n> to not eval $vars
2375 [14:26:21] <BCMM> metastable: i can't find any references to efi in replaced-url
2376 [14:26:26] <eoli3n> %pre generates the future scripts
2377 [14:26:34] <eoli3n> then kickstart start it
2378 [14:26:49] <eoli3n> i do this to detect if using sda or nvme disk
2379 [14:26:50] <teatime> eoli3n: ok. just wanted to confirm.
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2381 [14:27:18] <eoli3n> as you can see, before executing pre_part
2382 [14:27:24] <eoli3n> there are not lots of things
2383 [14:27:35] <eoli3n> just grub-installer
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2385 [14:27:39] <eoli3n> he is the suspect for me
2386 [14:27:59] <teatime> ah, yeah, I'd suspect the hell out of that too. but I can't imagine why it'd write to your windows part.
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2388 [14:28:10] <eoli3n> you're right
2389 [14:28:13] <eoli3n> that's the strange part
2390 [14:28:39] <eoli3n> or maybe
2391 [14:28:41] <eoli3n> "install"
2392 [14:28:41] <teatime> why would grub installer run so early
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2394 [14:28:54] <eoli3n> good question, maybe i can move it later ?
2395 [14:29:07] <eoli3n> lets try
2396 [14:29:09] <teatime> iirc, and it's been a while since I preseeded, order doesn't really matter
2397 [14:29:23] <eoli3n> oh, yep, but with kickstart implementation
2398 [14:29:27] <teatime> you're just providing answers
2399 [14:29:30] <eoli3n> maybe it differs with only preseed
2400 [14:29:40] <teatime> preseed and kickstart are completely different and unrelated
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2402 [14:29:57] <eoli3n> yep, but i use kickstart implementation with preseeding
2403 [14:30:04] <teatime> I don't understand what that means
2404 [14:30:28] <eoli3n> it means that ubuntu kickstat implementation is a RHEL kickstart completly rewrote to match preseed cmds
2405 [14:30:56] <teatime> so, you're not even using debian?
2406 [14:30:58] <eoli3n> so ubuntu kickstart is to preseed what a ansible playbook is to shell script
2407 [14:31:12] <eoli3n> i am, for the deploy OS
2408 [14:31:24] <eoli3n> but yep, i deploy ubuntu
2409 [14:31:34] <eoli3n> but ubuntu installer is debian-installer
2410 [14:31:47] <eoli3n> and #ubuntu differs a lot from #debian...
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2412 [14:31:51] <eoli3n> can ask anything there
2413 [14:31:56] <eoli3n> can't
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2415 [14:32:26] <eoli3n> but maybe you're right, using only preseed could be a solution
2416 [14:32:36] <eoli3n> a full preseed install without any kickstart thing
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2418 [14:32:57] <shtrb> eoli3n, for the last time kickstarter is an RHEL implementation preseed is debian they have different syntax and they are different things !
2419 [14:33:22] <eoli3n> shtrb: you're wrong
2420 [14:33:29] <teatime> shtrb: kickstarter is a funding platform
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2422 [14:33:41] <eoli3n> shtrb: replaced-url
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2424 [14:33:44] <shtrb> lol yes
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2428 [14:33:59] <shtrb> !ubuntu
2429 [14:33:59] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2430 [14:34:04] <metastable> "Kickstart files, as designed by Red Hat for use in their Anaconda installer."
2431 [14:34:09] <metastable> Kickstart is a Red Hat-ism.
2432 [14:34:30] <eoli3n> shtrb: please let me found help where i can found it
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2436 [14:34:45] <eoli3n> !ubuntu is for people which doesn't understand difference
2437 [14:34:45] <dpkg> is for people which doesn't understand difference: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
2438 [14:34:50] <teatime> guys, please, if you're going to bitch at eoli3n, at least read what the man says first
2439 [14:34:51] <eoli3n> oups
2440 [14:35:00] <eoli3n> thx teatime
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2442 [14:35:19] <eoli3n> what i am asking for, is only on debian parts
2443 [14:35:24] <eoli3n> i'm low level here
2444 [14:35:30] <eoli3n> not a ubuntu end user
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2446 [14:35:40] <eoli3n> my concerns are only about debian-installers part
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2448 [14:35:43] <teatime> eoli3n: it really is pretty off-topic for #debian though; this is supposed to be for stable support; #debian-boot & whatever channel(s) for ubuntu's kickstart would be appropriate.
2449 [14:36:01] <eoli3n> i asked on, thx for your time teatime
2450 [14:36:07] <teatime> n/p
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2453 [14:36:28] <teatime> that channel is a lot slower, unfortunately.
2454 [14:36:31] <koollman> eoli3n: well, kickstart is not a debian part. Canonical did a port of it for ubuntu with some preseed integration. But that is rather ubuntu specific
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2457 [14:37:01] <eoli3n> koollman: you're right, but you're wrong as my questions are not about kickstart
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2459 [14:37:13] <teatime> and yeah I would suggest going w/ just debian preseed, or a golden image.
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2461 [14:37:37] <eoli3n> just debian preseed should be the next step, but i don't think that's the problem here
2462 [14:37:40] <eoli3n> i'm near success
2463 [14:37:45] <eoli3n> just need to work a bit more i think
2464 [14:38:26] <shtrb> Wait, are you running and installing ubuntu images ?
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2466 [14:38:43] <teatime> shtrb: again, read before bitching.
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2468 [14:38:54] <Brumbazz> Hi. I've tried to install linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 on my debian jessie. However; DKMS can't compile iptables-addon. Should I create an issue for iptables-addons or the kernel ? The error is: replaced-url
2469 [14:38:56] <eoli3n> are you using bash or zsh to talk with your computer ? so ask EVERYTHING to #bash
2470 [14:38:58] <teatime> he's doing something weird, for sure, but not any of the things he's getting crap for.
2471 [14:38:59] <eoli3n> shtrb:
2472 [14:39:30] <teatime> eoli3n: how do you use ubuntu kickstart to install debian anyway? is that a remotely supported configuration, for either system?
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2474 [14:40:45] <eoli3n> nop i use ubuntu kickstart to install ubuntu, my point is that what my problem concerns, is only part related to debian
2475 [14:41:11] <eoli3n> as a problem with somehting isn't related to shell because you're using it
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2477 [14:41:20] <shtrb> eoli3n, I asked about ubuntu images because from experience when they converted few tools they have modified the underlying configuration syntax
2478 [14:41:37] <metastable> eoli3n: So are we dealing with an actual Debian system anywhere in this?
2479 [14:41:48] <teatime> eoli3n: but, the only debian-related thing here is d-i and preseed being involved?
2480 [14:41:48] <babilen> eoli3n: Please forgive me for not reading the entire backlog, but how is that related to Debian?
2481 [14:41:50] <eoli3n> i am metastable
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2484 [14:42:02] <eoli3n> because my concerns are about Debian
2485 [14:42:08] <teatime> eoli3n: if there's no debian host it's doubly off-topic for here. but perhaps not for #debian-boot.
2486 [14:42:19] <metastable> No, your concerns are about Ubuntu's implementation of debian-installer.
2487 [14:42:21] <eoli3n> ok ok
2488 [14:42:32] <shtrb> eoli3n, From experience UBUNTU modies syntax and default settings
2489 [14:42:36] <metastable> ^
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2491 [14:42:58] <babilen> eoli3n: My impression is that you'd like to take this to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
2492 [14:43:02] <eoli3n> ok, so which is the channel to ask ?
2493 [14:43:12] <eoli3n> babilen: have you ever asked something on #ubuntu ?
2494 [14:43:17] <teatime> eoli3n: can't be certain without diagnosing your issue fully.
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2496 [14:43:26] <eoli3n> teatime: you're right
2497 [14:43:56] <babilen> eoli3n: I use Debian as I cherish getting support in here. If you chose to use Ubuntu, you'd have to accept the fact that your support is different.
2498 [14:44:05] <metastable> eoli3n: That's not really babilen's problem. You're the one dealing with Ubuntu, not babilen. #debian supports Debian systems. The fact that they might share a common installer doesn't make this on-topic for #debian.
2499 [14:44:11] <babilen> We only support Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons.
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2501 [14:44:19] <eoli3n> babilen: i manage 800 nodes on educational purpose, i didn't choose
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2503 [14:45:12] <metastable> eoli3n: Not really relevant.
2504 [14:45:18] <eoli3n> everybody is right, but, debian isn't a closed entity, it's some tools putted together to work, i'm asking something about one of these components.
2505 [14:45:42] <eoli3n> one or more. i will not imposate myself, understood what everybody said
2506 [14:45:50] <teatime> eoli3n: your issue is not necessarily off-topic for debian in general, but this channel is very specific. for example, debian testing would be off-topic here.
2507 [14:45:50] <babilen> I can appreciate the fact that using Ubuntu is deeply frustrating and that their support channels aren't necessarily as helpful, but that doesn't mean that we support that in here. I'd recommend to take it to #ubuntu-server, pay for professional Ubuntu support or seek support in channels specific to the software you are having issues with.
2508 [14:45:53] <eoli3n> but i just want to clarify some things
2509 [14:46:00] <eoli3n> that's an IRC issue for me :)
2510 [14:46:08] <metastable> eoli3n: To state again: #debian supports Debian systems. The fact that they might share a common installer doesn't make this on-topic for #debian.
2511 [14:46:20] <babilen> So, please accept that we only support Debian and its users in here and move elsewhere (or use Debian)
2512 [14:46:22] <eoli3n> ok ok
2513 [14:46:40] <eoli3n> i accept, but i think it's sad to cut community like that
2514 [14:46:48] <eoli3n> not really opensource mind
2515 [14:46:54] <metastable> We're not cutting anything, we're asking you to abide by this channel's topic and purpose.
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2517 [14:47:22] <babilen> (so that people in here can focus on Debian and spent their time on helping Debian users)
2518 [14:47:26] <babilen> Either way, lets move on.
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2527 [14:51:14] <teatime> Anyone have any info on XCompose? Not working for me anymore in gtk apps, Firefox, etc. I am already setting QT_IM_MODULE=xim GTK_IM_MODULE=xim XMODIFIERS=@im=xim which used to be sufficient to fix it everywhere, but no longer.
2528 [14:52:22] <shtrb> eoli3n, I would also ask at #centos in your place (I got kicksarter help there )
2529 [14:52:59] <eoli3n> shtrb: thx, but ubuntu kickstart is not centos kickstart, it was completly rewrote
2530 [14:53:15] <eoli3n> and again, my concern isn't about kickstart
2531 [14:53:18] <eoli3n> it lower level
2532 [14:53:20] <eoli3n> tis
2533 [14:53:23] <eoli3n> rr
2534 [14:53:25] <eoli3n> its
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2538 [14:53:44] <eoli3n> my luck day ahahahah
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2543 [14:54:42] <babilen> eoli3n: Please appreciate that #debian only supports Debian and its users. Feel free to /msg me if you want to discuss this further.
2544 [14:55:28] <babilen> shtrb: Same for you, if you'd like to help eoli3n then feel free to take it to another channel or /query
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2557 [15:00:48] <eoli3n> (last msg about that, just to laugh a bit -> asked on #ubuntu-server, first answer "dont dual boot" huhu)
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2560 [15:01:36] <BCMM> i am bewildered that ubuntu is so popular as a server distro tbh
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2562 [15:02:49] <metastable> I used to run a 32-school district mostly on Ubuntu. Worked great for us, Canonical provided excellent support.
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2565 [15:03:43] <BCMM> for desktops i sort of understand
2566 [15:03:54] <metastable> I meant on the servers.
2567 [15:04:17] <shtrb> support is a huge thing (payed one)
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2569 [15:04:23] <BCMM> but on the server it loses the "idiot proof" advantage, but it retains the "subtly broken" disadvantage
2570 [15:04:28] <shtrb> Getting Debian support is extreamly hard
2571 [15:05:12] <metastable> BCMM: I, for one, do not share your opinion. But that's fine. We're both arguing from personal experience.
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2573 [15:05:45] <eoli3n> metastable: you paid for support ?
2574 [15:05:59] <metastable> eoli3n: Yes.
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2576 [15:06:09] <eoli3n> well, that could be an idea
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2583 [15:08:35] <p0g0> metastable: I once proposed to this state's Director of School Technology that they use linux and he allowed as how there were not enough support types around to roll it out at the state level- about year 2000 or so.
2584 [15:08:54] <shtrb> d-o
2585 [15:08:59] <shtrb> #debian-offtopic
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2587 [15:09:12] <p0g0> 'k sry
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2627 [15:31:19] <fasdfd> does debian 9 support 32bit?
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2629 [15:31:46] <shtrb> i386 still exists
2630 [15:32:38] <BCMM> fasdfd: yes
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2633 [15:33:16] <BCMM> fasdfd: replaced-url
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2636 [15:35:29] <webmind> does it still run on an 386?
2637 [15:35:38] <webmind> (no)
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2643 [15:38:40] <teatime> uh, actually, shouldn't i386 literally run on a 386?
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2647 [15:39:59] <SirLagz> it should
2648 [15:40:17] <SirLagz> though maybe not the older 386s
2649 [15:40:38] <SirLagz> I think you'd need a 386DX...but I don't have any to test with.
2650 [15:40:42] <abrotman> teatime: no, not anymore
2651 [15:40:53] <SirLagz> abrotman: oh, damn
2652 [15:40:54] <donofrio> 386dx40 ah the good old days
2653 [15:42:24] <abrotman> dpkg: i386
2654 [15:42:24] <dpkg> Debian's i386 port is for some subset of the 32-bit x86 instruction set as has grown organically over the years. From Debian 6 Squeeze onwards, only 586 machines and newer are supported, while from Debian 9 Stretch, only 686 processors will be supported. See replaced-url
2655 [15:42:27] <abrotman> that clear it up ?
2656 [15:42:39] <SirLagz> abrotman: ah yes it does.
2657 [15:42:48] <abrotman> So, does everyone know where 686 starts?
2658 [15:43:00] <teatime> if it diesn't support i386, why is it not called i686?
2659 [15:43:11] <abrotman> historical reasons I'd suspect
2660 [15:43:13] <SirLagz> 686 is pentium isn't it?
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2664 [15:43:26] <abrotman> 686 is PPro, original Pentium is 586
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2666 [15:43:34] <abrotman> 686 is PPro, and later, sorry
2667 [15:43:35] <SirLagz> guess I can still run Debian on my old Pentium 1 for now :D
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2669 [15:43:38] <SirLagz> ah k
2670 [15:43:41] <SirLagz> close lol
2671 [15:44:10] <SirLagz> best thing about Debian...I can download older versions easily :D
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2676 [15:45:55] <shtrb> teatime, wasn't 486 the oldest possible thing to run with linux ?
2677 [15:46:26] <rue_> no
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2679 [15:46:46] <rue_> linux was written to be the first OS to use protected mode on the 386
2680 [15:46:58] <rue_> microsoft hadn't coughed up anything (well, DOS)
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2682 [15:47:12] <rue_> debian, wrong channel, sorry
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2713 [16:09:05] <darxmurf> how can I replace all the occurences of something in a var ?
2714 [16:09:13] <darxmurf> test="aaaab aaab aaab"
2715 [16:09:22] <darxmurf> echo ${test/b/}
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2717 [16:09:31] <darxmurf> to kick out all the "b"
2718 [16:10:01] <darxmurf> I can use sed of course but I was wondering if bash can do it directly
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2720 [16:11:35] <slax0r> $(var//b}
2721 [16:11:39] <slax0r> iirc
2722 [16:11:42] <slax0r> err
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2724 [16:11:48] <slax0r> ${var//b} sorry
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2752 [16:24:11] <darxmurf> damn thanks
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2758 [16:27:55] <BCMM> shtrb: 486 is the oldest machines that will run linux *now*
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2761 [16:28:58] <r3m1> hello
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2764 [16:29:08] <shtrb> BCMM, thanks
2765 [16:29:14] <BCMM> shtrb: but linux was originally written on a 386
2766 [16:29:17] <BCMM> shtrb: replaced-url
2767 [16:29:29] <shtrb> ok
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2770 [16:30:29] <r3m1> I have a small embedded computer running debian 7. I purposely got the storage full, i.e. df shows /dev/root 833468 833024 0 100% /
2771 [16:30:29] <r3m1> Now, my syslog is still growing
2772 [16:30:38] <BCMM> i.e. Linus's original machine continued to be supported by linux until 2012
2773 [16:30:52] <BCMM> r3m1: some space is reserved for root to use
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2778 [16:31:21] <r3m1> BCMM: how can I see how much of this space is left ?
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2781 [16:31:32] <BCMM> r3m1: not sure actually
2782 [16:31:48] <BCMM> r3m1: in ext filesystems i think the default reserved space is 5%
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2784 [16:32:00] <shtrb> r3m1, your system still reserve space for inodes and filesystem things
2785 [16:32:46] <r3m1> ok, seems that by the time I wrote the question I finally reached the very maximum
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2789 [16:34:05] <r3m1> does a full disk could cause that passwd command would refuse to change a password, with exactly the same output as if I entered a different password for the attemps
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2894 [16:41:41] <zer0G> can I purge config files, as an option to pass with apt remove ?
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2904 [16:42:24] <zer0G> so: I forgot to configure whatever option allows for "sudoless network capture" or segregated permissions from root, with Wireshark
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2932 [16:45:45] <shtrb> zer0G capabilities
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2934 [16:45:57] <xet7> How do I install glibc 2.25-6 in Debian 10 butcher? It seems to fix some vulnerabilities.
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2936 [16:45:58] <shtrb> or add to group wireshark
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2941 [16:46:56] <shtrb> zer0G, either add your user into the wireshark group or use cap to enable non root usage
2942 [16:47:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1750
2943 [16:47:35] <shtrb> *setcap 'CAP_NET_RAW+eip CAP_NET_ADMIN+eip'
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2947 [16:49:38] <andyreplaced-url
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2950 [16:50:38] <andyreplaced-url
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2959 [16:52:05] <teatime> You mean, you want to pipe the contents into rsync, instead of the file being on disk?
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2961 [16:52:11] <gladioacuto> hello
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2964 [16:52:46] <gladioacuto> I try to set cpu freq to max value, but I get I cannot because userspace governor is not present, why? any suggestion?
2965 [16:52:52] <gladioacuto> stretch here
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2971 [16:55:27] <zer0G> shtrb, setcap solved it, thank you -- learned a new command
2972 [16:55:48] <shtrb> It's either that or the other (just choose what you prefer)
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2977 [16:57:25] <BCMM> andyreplaced-url
2978 [16:57:40] <BCMM> andyreplaced-url
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2981 [16:58:08] <BCMM> andyreplaced-url
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2987 [17:00:54] <andyreplaced-url
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2989 [17:01:04] <teatime> then no, you definitely cannot do that with rsync
2990 [17:01:13] <BCMM> andyreplaced-url
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2992 [17:01:47] <BCMM> and irritatingly, if you just give it /dev/stdin it says "skipping non-regular file"
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2994 [17:01:54] <andyreplaced-url
2995 [17:01:55] <BCMM> apparently it's smarter than cp.
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2997 [17:02:22] <JyZyXEL> i keep getting these locale errors in my Konsole after jessie->stretch, what do i need to configure? replaced-url
2998 [17:02:33] <andyreplaced-url
2999 [17:02:48] <andyreplaced-url
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3003 [17:03:12] <BCMM> andyreplaced-url
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3005 [17:03:22] <teatime> but then you have to transfer the whole thing
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3007 [17:04:04] <andyreplaced-url
3008 [17:04:12] <BCMM> hmm, isn't there some weird non-POSIX redirect operator in bash that makes fake file-like things?
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3010 [17:04:31] <teatime> yeah, there is, but I don't remember what it is
3011 [17:04:42] <teatime> andyreplaced-url
3012 [17:05:04] <teatime> oh nm you answered that, although it sounds weird
3013 [17:05:26] <andyreplaced-url
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3015 [17:05:41] <BCMM> andyreplaced-url
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3023 [17:07:03] <BCMM> hmm, unfortunately that just generates /dev/fd/ things, which rsync is aware is a "non-regular file"
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3027 [17:08:16] <angelo_> I installed stretch 9.3 amd64 + gnome (apt-get install gnome task-gnome-desktop) but I cannot make power management nor screensaver work with the user session
3028 [17:08:21] <angelo_> please help, thanks
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3035 [17:09:32] <veverak> hi folks!
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3037 [17:09:45] <veverak> I am in a ... "stereotype" situation, started to admin a server
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3039 [17:10:15] <veverak> and it's the common tale: over few last years, 15 admins were managing it, it servers multiple services at once and it's complete chaos about what is where and how it works
3040 [17:10:16] <andyreplaced-url
3041 [17:10:18] <veverak> and no documentation
3042 [17:10:23] <andyreplaced-url
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3044 [17:10:30] <veverak> and reinstall is big no no
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3046 [17:11:03] <veverak> situation is however not as bad, as there is a second server and I cam move step by step all the services to the secondary server, where I can prepare things in more clean way
3047 [17:11:06] <veverak> but that will take some time
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3049 [17:11:20] <gladioacuto> no suggestions for me?
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3052 [17:11:27] <veverak> is there some tutorial/website/tips for how to clean such a server I described above?
3053 [17:11:46] <veverak> (figured out everything that is done to the server, apart from 'pure' installed OS)
3054 [17:12:09] <dokma> Just got an 8TB Seagate ST8000AS0002 from EBay. It's an SMR and I already have 2 same ones in that mining rig. This new one is not working.
3055 [17:12:16] <dokma> This is what I get: replaced-url
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3061 [17:14:20] <teatime> dokma: I would assume it's bad
3062 [17:14:48] <digdilem> RMA, especially if it's the same model as ones you already have working on that computer
3063 [17:15:06] <teatime> dokma: that is just from connecting/booting with it, right?
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3065 [17:15:21] <dokma> teatime: I'm tending to go to that conclusion as well. The only thing that is still bothering me is that the guy mention that this disk requires UEFI BIOS.
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3067 [17:15:40] <dokma> But it doesn't make sense since I'm running two other identical ones in the same machine...
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3069 [17:15:59] <digdilem> hard drives turn up DOA quite often, i wouldn't over-think it
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3071 [17:16:09] <teatime> dokma: and also you can run smart tests on it; that may be a much more definitive 'it's bad' answer
3072 [17:16:30] <teatime> but yeah, 8TB HDDs are more fragile than most, I'd assume, and shipping is not kind of HDDs, and people sell defective stuff on purpose...
3073 [17:16:31] <dokma> Let me run a smartctl
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3078 [17:19:43] <dokma> Dang it. Suspicious stuff...
3079 [17:19:50] <dokma> Warning! Drive Identity Structure error: invalid SMART checksum.
3080 [17:19:57] <dokma> SMART support is: Disabled
3081 [17:20:13] <shtrb> dokma, check your bios
3082 [17:20:24] <shtrb> SMART is disabled by default in some
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3084 [17:20:44] <dokma> shtrb: I have "SMART support is: Enabled" on all my other drives.
3085 [17:20:50] <dokma> So I doubt it would be BIOS.
3086 [17:21:00] <shtrb> in that case it's not
3087 [17:21:05] <shtrb> *it's not that
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3092 [17:21:21] <dokma> This is a refurbished drive off of EBay.
3093 [17:21:28] <teatime> dokma: and also it didn't enable write-cache in your original paste. It's bad.
3094 [17:21:38] <dokma> I have a feeling that "refurbished" means "Errors covered up"
3095 [17:21:53] <dokma> teatime: Yes. I noticed that as well...
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3105 [17:26:26] <wpostma> I tried to copy a very large file using regular bash cp command from a regular hard disk to my SSD, the file is a VM image in qcow2 format, and 101 gigabytes copied and then the cp task return without any error output. Only 25% of the 401 gigabyte file actually copied. Anyone ever seen this happen? Not out of disk space.
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3107 [17:26:35] <wpostma> I'm on debian stretch.
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3115 [17:28:28] <Guy-> hi
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3119 [17:29:48] <teatime> wpostma: I have not. but, perhaps it is a sparse file?
3120 [17:29:58] <Guy-> I'm trying to build a .deb, and dpkg-shlibeps autdetects that it depends on libfoo1; however, I'd like to override that dependency to be libbar1, because libbar1 provides libfoo1 and it's more universally available than libfoo1
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3123 [17:30:24] <Guy-> I've tried creating a /etc/dpkg/shlibs.override file with the contents foo 1 libbar1
3124 [17:30:29] <Guy-> but it doesn't seem to have any effect
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3126 [17:30:49] <Guy-> what am I doing wrong?
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3128 [17:31:12] <wpostma> @teatime. never thought of that ls -alsh shows it's indeed sparse.
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3132 [17:32:49] <wpostma> the origin filesystem was xfs, destination is ext4. both support sparse files. so cp is now reporting a different size after copy. well I never. :-)
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3135 [17:33:26] <teatime> wpostma: well, ls should show the full/fake size though, not how much is actually used afaik
3136 [17:33:49] <teatime> wpostma: perhaps the cp failed because it is a sparse file and that requires some option to cp?
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3138 [17:34:23] <teatime> wpostma: I guess you can md5sum them both
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3140 [17:35:06] <fellipe> hi all. I am running debian jessie. How to open dillo or midori web browser over ssh? I tried ssh -CX , ssh -CY , but nothing happens. I tried with root and non-root users
3141 [17:35:06] <wpostma> if the files are identical, md5sum and a run of the qemu disk image check tool should help
3142 [17:35:12] <teatime> wpostma: or use 'du -h --apparent-size' vs 'du -h' to compare full/fake size vs. actual disk usage.
3143 [17:35:20] <bluzeo> sup guys
3144 [17:35:24] <JyZyXEL> % sudo locale :(
3145 [17:35:26] <JyZyXEL> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
3146 [17:35:40] <Guy-> wpostma: cp doesn't copy sparse files intelligently; you need rsync -S or similar
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3149 [17:36:30] <wpostma> ok wow. du -h --apparent-size was something I never tried before. tx teatime.
3150 [17:36:55] <wpostma> so cp works, which is good.
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3153 [17:37:28] <wpostma> but ls behaves differently in ext4 and xfs, it seems.
3154 [17:37:58] <teatime> ls & 'du --apparent-size' don't agree?
3155 [17:38:06] <teatime> that seems wrong to me, but *shrug*
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3160 [17:38:38] <wpostma> surprisingly, ls -h on ext4 destination volume shows the on-disk-usage, ls -h on xfs mounted volume shows its full sparse size.
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3165 [17:40:26] <hays> I am having trouble witih my resolvconf setup. I am getting a basically empty (no DNS servers) configuration of resolv.conf even though I have the dns-nameservers line in /etc/network/interfaces
3166 [17:40:36] <Guy-> oh wow:
3167 [17:40:37] <Guy-> By default, sparse SOURCE files are detected by a crude heuristic and the corresponding DEST file is made sparse as well. That is the behavior selected by --sparse=auto. Specify --sparse=always to create a sparse DEST file whenever the SOURCE file contains a long enough sequence of zero bytes. Use
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3169 [17:40:42] <Guy-> --sparse=never to inhibit creation of sparse files.
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3171 [17:40:49] <Guy-> this is from cp(1), and it's news to me -- must be a relatively recent feature
3172 [17:41:33] <teatime> Guy-: it does say the heuristic is crude. :)
3173 [17:42:14] <hays> here is my /etc/network/interfaces file : replaced-url
3174 [17:42:30] <jelly> "if disk usage < file size assume sparse"
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3176 [17:42:49] <jelly> teatime: crude but efficient apparently
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3179 [17:43:02] <hays> here is what is showing up in resolv.conf replaced-url
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3184 [17:45:21] <annadane> so i guess it's a good idea to always append --sparse=never for normal file copying operations
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3187 [17:45:50] <teatime> why?
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3189 [17:46:07] <jelly> if you want disk space wasted, sure
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3192 [17:46:52] <teatime> wpostma: is the *source* file a sparse file?
3193 [17:46:59] <JyZyXEL> does debian have a english locale that uses ISO-date and 24h clock as the short format time?
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3195 [17:48:54] <Guy-> JyZyXEL: I'd be surprised -- damn English speakers and their bloody idiotic date formats :)
3196 [17:49:12] <jelly> JyZyXEL: no idea, but if you're dealing with shell, date -I
3197 [17:49:25] <wpostma> teatime: I guess qcow2 files can be sparse, so yes.
3198 [17:49:28] <JyZyXEL> im dealing with KDE Plasma not having any more granularity than that
3199 [17:49:39] <JyZyXEL> you have to set the Time formats to a certain locale
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3201 [17:50:01] <JyZyXEL> and none of the Debian English locales seem to have ISO-date with 24h time
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3204 [17:50:55] <Guy-> JyZyXEL: fwiw, ny_MW has iso date with 24h clock as the short date format (but it's not English)
3205 [17:51:02] <teatime> wpostma: I still don't understand why ls doesn't show the full size
3206 [17:51:43] <jelly> JyZyXEL: ask the #kde people and report back if there's a good answer, please?
3207 [17:51:44] <teatime> JyZyXEL: if you find out such a locale exists, pls let me know :) that's kindof dumb/evil of that KDE widget, tho.
3208 [17:51:57] <TheMess> hello everyone
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3210 [17:52:07] <JyZyXEL> teatime: it affects whole KDE globally and every Konsole instance too
3211 [17:52:45] <wpostma> What I wonder is if it's a glitch or bug in xfs.
3212 [17:52:45] <teatime> JyZyXEL: oh I thought you meant clock/date widget. I get it now.
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3214 [17:53:06] <teatime> JyZyXEL: still; I tried once to configure 24 hour clock and ISO date system wide, and eventually gave up. Let me know if you figure out how.
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3217 [17:53:28] <JyZyXEL> teatime: that's how i've had it in Plasma 4
3218 [17:53:57] <teatime> wpostma: no, XFS is showing the behavior I'd expect. although I don't know for sure that XFS supports sparse files (not every FS does). But I assume so. BTW, any kind of file can be sparse; it's transparent to users of the file.
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3220 [17:54:12] <JyZyXEL> i don't like how it allows you to pick locales that haven't even been installed and then you get mysterious errors in consoles after that..
3221 [17:54:14] <Guy-> teatime: 24h clock and iso date is easy, if you don't insist on English :)
3222 [17:54:15] <teatime> JyZyXEL: I want it for command-line things too, ideally.
3223 [17:54:27] <teatime> Guy-: it's not nice to taunt like that :)
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3225 [17:54:58] <wpostma> as a developer who speaks english and prefers ISO datetimes, I would like my debian installs with iso date formats.
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3228 [17:55:18] <wpostma> The whole d/m/y y/m/d m/d/y debacle is heinous.
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3236 [17:56:48] <Guy-> wpostma: en_CA is almost what you want (but it has a 12-hour clock)
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3238 [17:57:07] <wpostma> yay for canada. en_CA means canada english right?
3239 [17:57:13] <Guy-> yes
3240 [17:57:46] <wpostma> i like 24 hour ISO times including UTC offset but those are rather verbose.
3241 [17:58:03] <JyZyXEL> or iu_CA, if you don't mind weird long dates
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3244 [17:58:40] <teatime> Guy-: wpostma: behold the clock I like to have on my panel/bar: replaced-url
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3246 [17:59:46] <BCMM> plasma lets you have a single clock on permanent display, and mouseover for additional timezones. i think i prefer that.
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3254 [18:00:45] <wpostma> @teatime: nice clock.
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3257 [18:01:10] <teatime> BCMM: to mine? it's the same timezone :)
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3259 [18:01:21] <wpostma> i like to read the time as 17 hundred zulu when it says 17:00:00 Z
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3261 [18:01:46] <BCMM> teatime: how is 11:55 am the same tz as 16:55?
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3267 [18:02:53] <teatime> BCMM: ignore me, I guess that doesn't actually make sense to say.
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3273 [18:04:45] <nmschulte> I've been alerted to the thermald package (replaced-url
3274 [18:05:33] <nmschulte> Rather, why might I want to use thermald instead of/atop what the kernel does already?
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3280 [18:07:09] <wpostma> does the kernel provide thermal overload protection or is that more of an EFI firmware provision on your motherboard?
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3282 [18:08:12] <teatime> nmschulte: this looks like it's intended to answer the question: replaced-url
3283 [18:08:49] <nmschulte> wpostma: how would I determine that? the system in Q is a laptop, Dell Precision Workstation, Skylake Xeon.
3284 [18:08:54] <TheMess> Teatime: what are u guys talking about?
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3286 [18:09:46] <nmschulte> wpostma: I hope this kind of thing isn't controllable by EFI realm, but I'm not super familiar w/ the bowels of the stack.
3287 [18:09:53] <teatime> I don't understand the question, everything is in the channel.
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3290 [18:10:57] <wpostma> well, it was my understanding that at least preventing thermal damage of your system is the job of your firmware and the intel management engine. better and more proactive control of throttling, would be done via the daemon.
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3292 [18:11:11] <nmschulte> TheMess: my system logs "Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled" (and s/Package/Core/) messages often, and I wonder if those messages are "to be expected" or indication of poor hardware (cooling issue, in the case of a brand new laptop).
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3294 [18:11:22] <wpostma> on my server and workstation class systems, all the fans are at 100% until the daemon takes over. on laptops, I don't know what happens.
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3296 [18:12:02] <nmschulte> The Skylake chips have the "turbo" features that are "self-regulating" about the temperature/power-consume/performance lines.
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3300 [18:12:56] <nmschulte> teatime: I'm looking at those pages now (01.org) thanks.
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3309 [18:15:17] <wpostma> seeing some throttling on a laptop wouldn't surprise me at all.
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3320 [18:21:31] <nmschulte> These messages are from the kernel (core, no specific module) then? replaced-url
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3325 [18:24:46] <ultrason> Hi Debian community, I have just installed Telerik NativeScript and I keep encountering a problem when trying to run the HelloWorld template application.
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3329 [18:25:19] <ultrason> It says "You need to have Android SDK 22 or later and the latest Android Support Repository installed on your system."
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3331 [18:25:42] <ultrason> Is there any way I can get this to work with Debian's Android SDK without any Google dependencies?
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3346 [18:35:28] <awal1> a quick question: is there any utility or commnad for check which file(s) have been changed recently in $HOME including hidden ones and recursively?
3347 [18:36:22] <nmschulte> awal1: ls -Rt
3348 [18:36:24] <teatime> awal1: based on mtime? find | sort, w/ some various options
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3352 [18:37:07] <awal1> nmschulte, teatime , ok, thanks. I ll check with that
3353 [18:37:10] <nmschulte> erm... ls -aRt $HOME
3354 [18:37:16] <teatime> awal1: ls -ltr <-- this is my usual ls command, but it isn't recursive
3355 [18:37:26] <teatime> nmschulte: the problem with that is it sorts every directory separately, not collated together
3356 [18:37:28] <awal1> thanks guys
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3360 [18:38:11] <awal1> recursively no matters, it was an error, since I am talking about files not dirs
3361 [18:38:38] <teatime> awal1: then yeah, ls -1srta or ls -lstra
3362 [18:38:49] <teatime> newest will be at the bottom
3363 [18:38:51] <teatime> because -r
3364 [18:38:57] <teatime> (which is nice interactively)
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3370 [18:39:39] <teatime> sorry not -s :)
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3372 [18:40:07] <awal1> lol, no worries
3373 [18:40:10] <teatime> awal1: or, for the 21 newest files in ~ (but not subdirs): ls -lat | head -n 21
3374 [18:40:30] <teatime> er 20 newest files, you're not supposed to parse ls output 'cause it isn't very consistent/easy
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3381 [18:41:59] <awal1> thanks, I will check ls man quietly later so
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3387 [18:43:04] <awal1> I know about ls being complex and very useful but I sometimes avoid it bcuz, like now, I thought there is a "simpler" tool
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3389 [18:43:11] <teatime> awal1: -t is sort by mtime, -r is reverse sort order, -l is show details (long listing), -a is include hidden files. but yeah do that anyway, there are lots of nice options.
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3394 [18:44:22] <awal1> teatime, ok, thanks
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3398 [18:45:31] <awal1> I have to find time for learn about ls, not only for my actual question but for daily use bcuz it is a great gnu tool
3399 [18:46:08] <n4dir> give "find" a try too, if you like.
3400 [18:46:14] <teatime> yes
3401 [18:46:23] <teatime> more complex / harder, but it will pay off more dividends
3402 [18:46:37] <awal1> yep, another utility I have to learn about :D
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3404 [18:46:45] <awal1> more complex sure
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3406 [18:46:50] <alkisg> find ~ -maxdepth 1 -mtime -1
3407 [18:47:02] <alkisg> remove -maxdepth to make it recursive...
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3414 [18:49:23] <wpostma> find is worth learning. the most common ls options are worth comitting to memory. I find locate and updatedb essential also.
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3418 [18:50:03] <wpostma> i just learned an ls option today that I had never used before. thanks to teatime.
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3422 [18:52:04] <awal1> alkisg, "find: ‘1’: No such file or directory"
3423 [18:52:31] <alkisg> awal1: if you remove maxdepth, you need to also remove 1
3424 [18:52:45] <alkisg> This is recursive: find ~ -mtime -1
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3426 [18:53:51] <awal1> alkisg, great. nice
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3428 [18:54:16] <alkisg> np
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3436 [18:55:46] <awal1> i confess i only used in the past find bcoz of mlocate not able output new stuff after boot
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3443 [18:57:20] <awal1> ok, now, is it possible to check somehow if the listed applications files by ls or find have been changed by the application it self or by user?
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3445 [18:58:25] <annadane> lots of options *are* simple. :-)
3446 [18:58:33] <awal1> that was really the goal of my question
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3458 [19:07:14] <awal1> btw, for find stuff in system I only know about 'find' and 'mlocate/locate'. any other utility?
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3473 [19:15:11] <awal1> thanks for your timr guys. work time now. see ya
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3478 [19:16:43] <Thedarkb> Hello.
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3484 [19:19:46] <Thedarkb> Yeah, I'm having wifi driver issues.
3485 [19:20:06] <Thedarkb> My wifi adapter worked during the setup but it won't work now.
3486 [19:20:11] <Thedarkb> It's a Ralink USB adapter.
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3488 [19:21:02] <Brigo> Thedarkb, that's weird.
3489 [19:21:09] <Brigo> have you checked the logs?
3490 [19:21:12] <Thedarkb> This happened to me with Lubuntu too.
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3492 [19:21:20] <Thedarkb> Where are the logs kept?
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3497 [19:22:24] <Thedarkb> And what logs should I be checking?
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3499 [19:23:41] <Brigo> Thedarkb, try journalctl -b as root.
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3506 [19:25:59] <Thedarkb> Brigo, The device is called wlx000f00416cec
3507 [19:26:15] <Thedarkb> It's failing because it's "taking too long"
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3509 [19:27:01] <shtrb> Thedarkb , check dmesg for firmware messages
3510 [19:27:03] <Brigo> anything about firmware prloblem? any error?
3511 [19:27:19] <Thedarkb> lemme grep firmware
3512 [19:27:22] <shtrb> dmesg | grep -i firmware
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3515 [19:28:33] <Thedarkb> There's a message here saying it loaded the firmware.
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3520 [19:30:00] <shtrb> can you see if network-manager is complaing about something ? (/var/log/syslog)
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3536 [19:34:45] <Thedarkb> shtrb, No complaints from network manager.
3537 [19:34:49] <gladioacuto> I try to set cpu freq to max value, but I get I cannot because userspace governor is not present, why? any suggestion?
3538 [19:34:51] <gladioacuto> stretch here
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3540 [19:35:03] <Thedarkb> It worked fine during installation and when I had XP on this machine.
3541 [19:35:23] <Thedarkb> Wait.
3542 [19:35:30] <shtrb> XP?!
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3544 [19:35:39] <Thedarkb> networkManager is is throwing a link is not ready message.
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3547 [19:35:46] <Thedarkb> Yeah, I've upgraded.
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3550 [19:36:00] <Thedarkb> I'm not still on XP.
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3553 [19:36:28] * shtrb goes to check the date and if there is a dolorian around
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3555 [19:36:44] <Thedarkb> Any suggestions?
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3557 [19:37:01] <shtrb> are you using some kind of DE or are you working in cli only ?
3558 [19:37:30] <RoyK> Thedarkb: to remove xp, use dd if=/dev/zero of=somedevice - it works
3559 [19:37:56] <Thedarkb> I'm using MATE
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3561 [19:38:18] <Thedarkb> Nah, drive failed catastrophically and did that for me.
3562 [19:38:45] <shtrb> Are you just after the install ?
3563 [19:39:07] <shtrb> *no changes to the system I mean
3564 [19:40:19] <Thedarkb> Fixed
3565 [19:40:25] <petn-randall> Thedarkb: Can you check the exact device model? 'lsusb' will tell you.
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3567 [19:40:30] <Thedarkb> I fixed it.
3568 [19:40:46] <Thedarkb> [device]
3569 [19:40:47] <Thedarkb> wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no
3570 [19:40:52] <Thedarkb> I added this to my networkmanager.cong
3571 [19:40:55] <Thedarkb> *conf
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3573 [19:41:08] <Thedarkb> It was trying to randomise my MAC address for some reason.
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3575 [19:41:15] <petn-randall> Interesting, I wouldn't have expected that to cause problems.
3576 [19:41:22] <petn-randall> Thedarkb: That's a privacy feature.
3577 [19:41:26] <Thedarkb> Apparently Ralinks don't like it.
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3579 [19:41:42] <shtrb> Thedarkb, Qubes or real debian ?
3580 [19:41:43] <petn-randall> Thedarkb: Which all current OSes do (Windows and Mac OS X included).
3581 [19:41:47] <Thedarkb> real Debian
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3583 [19:41:58] <Thedarkb> From a fresh NetInst
3584 [19:42:15] <Thedarkb> Where's the sudoers file again?
3585 [19:42:29] <greycat> sudo is not installed by default
3586 [19:42:37] <Thedarkb> It is installed for me.
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3588 [19:42:42] <petn-randall> Well, it is if you don't set the root password.
3589 [19:42:46] <greycat> then it's /etc/sudoers and you edit it with visudo
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3594 [19:43:02] <Thedarkb> Oh, I've always used nano.
3595 [19:43:19] <greycat> visudo invokes your editor of choice
3596 [19:43:36] <petn-randall> Thedarkb: visudo actually verified the syntax before changing the file. If you edit it manually there's a chance to lock yourself out of your own system.
3597 [19:43:37] <greycat> it's called vi* because of vipw, which also invokes your editor of choice, and because most people's editor of choice has always been vi
3598 [19:43:46] <Thedarkb> I'm an emacs man.
3599 [19:44:09] <petn-randall> Ah nice, didn't know about vipw
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3611 [19:50:01] <JyZyXEL> when i do "systemctl stop sddm", nothing happens. and when i try "killall sddm", it kills sddm, but it immediately respawns.. how do i turn off sddm?
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3613 [19:50:22] <greycat> the systemctl stop SHOULD have worked
3614 [19:50:32] <JyZyXEL> it does not appear to work when sddm is in the login screen
3615 [19:50:55] <greycat> which version of Debian is this?
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3617 [19:50:58] <JyZyXEL> stretch
3618 [19:51:34] <greycat> then I don't know why the systemctl stop didn't work :(
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3622 [19:51:43] <shtrb> JyZyXEL, what is your goal ?
3623 [19:51:59] <shtrb> JyZyXEL, you can do systemctl isolate multi-user to go the provious target
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3628 [19:52:35] <shtrb> also make sure to wait untill all process had stoped before restarting sddm otherwide you will not be able to login
3629 [19:52:39] <JyZyXEL> shtrb: i wanted to run some commands before starting Xorg
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3631 [19:53:11] <shtrb> You might need to a systemd service to that in a clean way
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3633 [19:53:16] <greycat> if you're trying to get sddm not to come up on the NEXT boot, I would use systemctl set-target
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3635 [19:53:35] <shtrb> or block sddm from starting next time
3636 [19:53:49] <greycat> err, set-default
3637 [19:54:33] <JyZyXEL> couldn't i just use "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" on the cmdline?
3638 [19:54:41] <greycat> yes, that would also do it
3639 [19:54:50] <shtrb> yes, I suggested that to you few seconds ago
3640 [19:54:51] <greycat> or some syntax that looks kinda like that
3641 [19:55:00] <shtrb> systemctl isolate multi-user
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3644 [19:55:13] <shtrb> but do it from non graphical tty !
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3647 [19:55:35] <greycat> still unclear on the REASON he wants to not have sddm come up right away
3648 [19:56:07] <shtrb> maybe to setup wanted by
3649 [19:56:19] <greycat> if it's the typical reason ("my graphics drivers aren't configured yet and the whole system hangs/catches on fire") then you wouldn't want to start it and then stop it; you'd want to NOT start it at all
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3652 [19:57:19] <JyZyXEL> im just experimenting with hotplugging an AMD gpu
3653 [19:57:22] <shtrb> If you pc burst into flams because of sddm disabling it would be the least of your problems
3654 [19:57:34] <greycat> (my solution to that is not to install a DE from the installer; get the drivers & firmware in place first, THEN reboot, THEN install the DE crap)
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3662 [20:00:32] <shtrb> Hot plugging device does sound like a fire hazzard
3663 [20:00:57] <JyZyXEL> depends what layers are involved
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3665 [20:03:25] <JyZyXEL> its quite cool being able to 'modprobe amdgpu' during an X-session and have the GPU come available as a DRI rendering device and then afterwards just rmmod amdgpu and pass the card to another virtual machine for example
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3667 [20:04:10] <JyZyXEL> while the Xorg itself is being rendered with iGPU
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3712 [20:24:52] <deicide-> can anyone help me with installing tlp in my laptop, last time i tried(alone) even though i followed all the steps in the guide on their website it went pretty awfully
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3738 [20:34:39] <jsuntheimer72> Hi! I see that PCmanFM gets the type of info retrieved by the "file" command, but "file" isn't included in Debian 9.3 by default. Is there a different, equivalent command available by default?
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3740 [20:35:22] <greycat> file is a standard package; it should be there, unless you did a manual, minimal install
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3742 [20:35:56] <jsuntheimer72> greycat - thank you. This is in fact a minimal install.
3743 [20:36:12] <TheMess> Hello
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3745 [20:37:20] <abrotman> jsuntheimer72: install that package
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3747 [20:37:49] <TheMess> Does anyone wanna attack some company's with me?
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3752 [20:38:59] <abrotman> Companies .. at least learn how to Engrish ..
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3766 [20:45:41] <SuperTramp83> hehe
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3779 [20:49:58] <OS-34181> <?php
3780 [20:49:59] <OS-34181> / php-reverse-shell - A Reverse Shell implementation in PHP
3781 [20:49:59] <OS-34181> / Copyright (C) 2007 pentestmonkey@pentestmonkey.net
3782 [20:49:59] <OS-34181> /
3783 [20:49:59] <OS-34181> / This tool may be used for legal purposes only. Users take full responsibility
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3826 [21:09:12] <Thedarkb> that NTFSresize tool really freaks out over bad sectors.
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3833 [21:11:55] <somiaj> Thedarkb: it is usually best to use windows tools with ntfs, to avoid such issues.
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3835 [21:12:20] <shtrb> Thedarkb, bad sectors is a bad sign
3836 [21:12:21] <Thedarkb> I mean, bad sectors are kind of a fact of life.
3837 [21:12:27] <Thedarkb> Yeah, I know.
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3841 [21:12:59] <shtrb> also -b should be enough
3842 [21:13:07] <Thedarkb> -b?
3843 [21:13:13] <wr417h> well, hey
3844 [21:13:26] * Thedarkb enters man ntfsresize
3845 [21:13:36] <shtrb> ntfsresize -b (bad sectors)
3846 [21:13:49] <wr417h> aa, mounting partitions still asks me for sudo password
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3848 [21:14:04] <wr417h> I tried polkit, but still no luck
3849 [21:14:17] <shtrb> but Thedarkb ntfs in that state might have issues
3850 [21:14:29] <Thedarkb> I already chkdsk /F'd it.
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3861 [21:17:23] <Thedarkb> Does there need to be a channel limit?
3862 [21:17:30] <Thedarkb> It's not super active.
3863 [21:17:49] <shtrb> it's to avoid bots
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3866 [21:18:28] <greycat> Join floods are rare, but the limit isn't that onerous as long as the bot keeps updating it.
3867 [21:18:42] <somiaj> Thedarkb: it avoids mass joins/quits. The bot keeps the limit a few more than the users
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3870 [21:18:52] <somiaj> arg just mass joins.
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3873 [21:19:01] <shtrb> Thedarkb, you might need to remove dirtybit after
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3885 [21:24:48] <Sansar> Hello, I've been getting error for the repo "Err:7 tor+replaced-url
3886 [21:24:49] <Sansar> SOCKS proxy socks5h://localhost:9050 could not connect to sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion (0.0.0.0:0) due to: Host unreachable (6) [IP: 127.0.0.1 9050]"
3887 [21:24:54] <Sansar> does anyone has a similar problem?
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3889 [21:25:25] <Sansar> from time to time I get similar errors but no clue if it is related with debian's tor addresses or a general problem?
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3893 [21:25:51] * greycat wonders why on earth you'd use TOR for debian packages
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3895 [21:26:27] <Sansar> The country I live does not like linux users
3896 [21:26:33] <shtrb> Sansar, wtf
3897 [21:26:36] <Sansar> yup
3898 [21:26:39] <Sansar> regretfully
3899 [21:26:45] <buu> In what way?
3900 [21:26:49] <greycat> I am skeptical.
3901 [21:26:54] <Sansar> it attracts attention
3902 [21:27:07] <Sansar> "hmmm why you use linux, got stg. to hide"?
3903 [21:27:08] <Sansar> Evet
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3905 [21:27:18] <SuperTramp83> Sansar: more than tor usage?
3906 [21:27:21] <Sansar> but not living in Turkey
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3908 [21:27:41] <shtrb> Sansar visit freenode to get a clack
3909 [21:27:47] <shtrb> *cloak
3910 [21:28:05] <Sansar> tor also attracts attention here, correct
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3912 [21:28:12] <Sansar> shtrb: What does it work for?
3913 [21:28:21] <SuperTramp83> Sansar: so...? Why Tor?
3914 [21:28:38] <shtrb> Sansar, that way people will not see where you are connecting from
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3916 [21:28:50] <Sansar> first, I generally torify all my connections, including thunderbird e-mails via enigmail
3917 [21:28:52] <shtrb> Some place cold
3918 [21:29:00] <Sansar> so it is easier to use tor in whole system
3919 [21:29:21] <SuperTramp83> Sansar: I am pretty sure Tor usage attracts 10 times more attention than mere GNU/Linux usage
3920 [21:29:45] <shtrb> Sansar, ^
3921 [21:29:59] <shtrb> it's literraly using US DOD project
3922 [21:30:08] <Sansar> shtrb: Great, thanks for the information. I generally use either TOR or a paid, fully privacy respecting vpn but the place I live has no international banking system and I sometimes can't even pay damn 5 bucks for a vpn
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3924 [21:30:39] <shtrb> just get a cloak at #freenode
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3926 [21:30:47] <shtrb> now back to the tor, what is that address ?
3927 [21:31:02] <Sansar> SuperTramp83: If whole system is torified, they don't care at all, but if you use linux they are suspicious. Believe me, damn stupid, but its just the way here
3928 [21:31:31] <greycat> how do you know this?
3929 [21:31:37] <Sansar> sthrb: What address? Didn't get that? Not TOR on now
3930 [21:31:56] <SuperTramp83> Seems absurd but if you say so. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about your issues with fascism
3931 [21:31:57] <Sansar> greycat: Cause I also work for a govt. institution here
3932 [21:32:15] <Sansar> SuperTramp83: It is not fascism at all, just old soviet reflexes
3933 [21:32:32] <Sansar> they do not have any idea about anything on privacy and anonymity or different OS
3934 [21:33:06] <shtrb> I doubt it, but let's leave it as is
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3970 [21:43:17] <anonit> Hello, I need some help. I recently came back from a trip with my desktop to find the usb wireless adapater I was using no longer worked. Luckily, I have an extra AWUSO36NEH (which is better than what I was using anyways). After installing the firmware-ralink package, the adapter only seems to half work. If I turn the adapter off and on in the network-manager, I have to replug it back in. Additionally, it
3971 [21:43:20] <anonit> does not seem to be working with DHCP? It only assigns itself an IPv6 link local address (using its MAC). Lastly, I can browse a couple websites like google and cnn, but pretty much all other websites won't load?
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3973 [21:44:23] <shtrb> anonit, make sure ipv4 is enabled , check if there is hardware lock when you need to reinsert it
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3976 [21:45:08] <anonit> shtrb: how could I do that? In the network-manager (gui) it shows IPv4 enabled with DHCP chosen
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3979 [21:45:57] <wpostma> if you can browse some websites, then DHCP must have assigned you an IP
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3981 [21:46:26] <shtrb> It could be the 'N' issue (disconnects and peridoc reauth )
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3983 [21:46:38] <anonit> wpostma: well it shows no IP in the ip command. All it shows is the link-local IPv6 address that my machine generated
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3988 [21:47:02] <wpostma> are you sure? "ip address" may output a lot of stuff. You're sure you're looking at the correct interface?
3989 [21:47:23] <anonit> I'm using "ip a"
3990 [21:47:26] <anonit> and yes I am
3991 [21:47:45] <Dagger> sounds more like it has a v6 address from SLAAC, not just link-local
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3995 [21:48:29] <anonit> Dagger: do you know why I can only browse a few sites then?
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3999 [21:48:45] <Dagger> not that that helps much with the problem on the v4 side
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4002 [21:48:49] <anonit> Also I just noticed I cannot ping 8.8.8.8
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4004 [21:48:52] <Dagger> both sites you mentioned have v6
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4007 [21:49:01] <TomTheDragon> How can we get an architecture added unofficially? It looks like I'm going to have to fight with getting wanna-build, buildd, sbuild, etc to all work, on my own systems.
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4012 [21:49:06] <anonit> Yeah I guess I can't ping 8.8.8.8 since I only have ipv6
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4019 [21:49:32] <wpostma> anonit which desktop are you using (so I know which network settings app you might be looking at)
4020 [21:49:35] <anonit> This is weird, I'm not sure why I am not getting an IPv4 from DHCP because my other wireless devices are working fine
4021 [21:49:45] <anonit> wpostma: I am using Debian 8 with gnome
4022 [21:49:46] <shtrb> anonit, does your ISP give ipv4 ?
4023 [21:50:00] <anonit> shtrb: yes, but I'm plugged into my router
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4025 [21:50:09] <shtrb> maybe your router give you only ipv6
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4027 [21:50:42] <anonit> shtrb: That's the thing though all other wireless devices are using ipv4
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4031 [21:51:36] <wpostma> does it have ipv4 enabled if you view it in nmtui (terminal mode network settings app)
4032 [21:51:48] <shtrb> does you router has some kind of log to show what it give you ?
4033 [21:51:56] <anonit> wpostma: I never used nmtui before, what should I run?
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4035 [21:52:03] <wpostma> open terminal, type nmtui
4036 [21:52:20] <wpostma> then pick interface, and click edit
4037 [21:52:36] <wpostma> there's usually an ipv6 checkbox and ipv4 one
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4042 [21:52:54] <wpostma> choices are automatic, enabled, disabled
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4044 [21:53:10] <wpostma> probably it's going to be automatic for both
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4046 [21:53:29] <wpostma> Automatic means, enabled, and use DHCP
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4050 [21:54:18] <wpostma> if you expand the ipv4 configuration section ther eis a checkbox "require IPv4 addressing for this connection"
4051 [21:54:19] <anonit> wpostma: it shows wireless networks instead of interfaces when I choose edit a connection
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4054 [21:55:22] <anonit> They're both automatic. Also, since I connected to this network from my old interface, it has 2 entries for them. "Network name" and "Network name 1"
4055 [21:55:36] <anonit> The first one has the MAC of presumably my old interface and the 1 has the MAC for my current
4056 [21:55:51] <wpostma> I wonder if having the old wifi "Connection" and the new wifi connection in the list of connections
4057 [21:55:57] <wpostma> is messing up the auto configuration
4058 [21:56:11] <anonit> Should I try deleting them both to start from scratch?
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4060 [21:56:27] <wpostma> or at least the old one.
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4062 [21:57:06] <wpostma> is there any device mapped to the Connection or is the device entry box blank?
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4065 [21:58:20] <anonit> wpostma: So I deleted them both and then check require IPv4, should I try disconnecting and reconnecting
4066 [21:58:33] <anonit> and yes the MAC of my wireless interface is shown under the connection
4067 [21:58:58] <wpostma> I think a reboot might be best.
4068 [21:59:19] <wpostma> I'm not 100% certain when it will reconfigure those NetworkManager elements.
4069 [21:59:27] <anonit> Will do
4070 [21:59:41] <wpostma> it also might be enough to just restart the NetworkManager daemon
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4072 [22:00:14] <wpostma> like sudo service network-manager restart
4073 [22:01:20] <anonit> So I restarted my computer and it shows no networks
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4075 [22:01:39] <anonit> For some reason this happened before and everytime I boot up I need to replug in the device?
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4077 [22:02:01] <wpostma> that's not how I thought NetworkManager was supposed to work.
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4079 [22:02:29] <wpostma> what does "nmcli dev status" tell you?
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4081 [22:02:56] <anonit> disconnected
4082 [22:03:01] <wpostma> do you ee your wifi device in the list tho?
4083 [22:03:11] <anonit> Yes
4084 [22:03:30] <wpostma> so that wifi device did not auto-connect to your wifi network, you may have to repeat the steps to join the network
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4086 [22:03:49] <anonit> Well it didn't even see networks
4087 [22:04:05] <anonit> Now I'm running into the problem I had when for ipv6 I chose force dhcp in network manager
4088 [22:04:09] <anonit> It won't connect
4089 [22:04:52] <anonit> Dmesg says "deauthenticating from MAC by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
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4096 [22:07:57] <wpostma> does iwconfig tell you anything more interesting?
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4100 [22:09:06] <anonit> hmm I doesn't see anything interesting. IEEE 802.11bgn, Mode: managed
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4104 [22:10:27] <shtrb> anonit, try setup your router without the N mode and see if you get better experience
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4106 [22:10:46] <shtrb> the deauth could happen because of bad password or incorrect encryption chosen
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4112 [22:11:45] <wpostma> gnome network-manager requires you to set not only your password but also to guess the encryption type
4113 [22:11:56] <wpostma> which makes it a bit harder to get right than windows or mac
4114 [22:12:19] <shtrb> normally n-m select the encryption correctly
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4124 [22:15:29] <anonit> shtrb: Trying to see where I can disable that
4125 [22:15:42] <shtrb> on the router level
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4129 [22:15:56] <anonit> Yes I know I meant where lol
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4133 [22:17:26] <anonit> I'm going to try booting into windows to see if it works
4134 [22:17:28] <teatime> anonit: don't force dhcp for ipv6, dhcp is usually not even used for ipv6. but that isn't your current issue, ipv4 & ipv6 happens after you connect to a network.
4135 [22:18:56] <shtrb> anonit, also check if you ahve any logs regarding to that client
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4137 [22:19:30] <darkhanb> So Debian 8 comes with default Python 3.4, I'd like to compile and install Python 3.5, if I install it in /usr/local prefix, are they completely isolated?
4138 [22:19:33] <anonit> There are no logs regarding it on the router
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4140 [22:20:39] <teatime> darkhanb: yes, you can do that and that's what /usr/local is for. if you install all your software under /usr/local manually it can be hard to uninstall, though. so sometimes people use something like /opt/python-3.5 instead.
4141 [22:20:41] <anonit> So this seems to work on windows so I'm going to back to linux to figure out what is happening
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4146 [22:21:26] <teatime> darkhanb: but there are python-specific methods to create self-contained/isolated python installations and virtual environments, so I'm thinking you should probably be using those.
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4150 [22:22:23] <teatime> darkhanb: the downside to /opt is you have to modify PATH and probably other env vars each time you install something; /usr/local/{bin,sbin,…} are already in your PATH, etc.
4151 [22:23:05] <darkhanb> teatime I see, I'll just use /usr/local as I'm building a production machines, and if something changes, it's easier to just rebuild the machine with orchestration tools
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4153 [22:23:45] <wpostma> they aren't fully isolated though. that's why virtualenv exists
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4155 [22:24:03] <greycat> in many cases, that doesn't matter
4156 [22:24:05] <teatime> yeah I was just thinking that, python may already look in /usr and /usr/local for stuff
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4158 [22:24:08] <teatime> which you wouldn't want
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4160 [22:24:23] <anonit> So it seems my old wireless interface works with windows too
4161 [22:25:16] <teatime> anonit: you said conflicting things (doesn't show any networks, but deauth'd which doesn't happen unless you're connected to a network)
4162 [22:25:39] <teatime> so, could you describe the current broken behavior, once you get into linux and see what it is
4163 [22:26:14] <anonit> Well I'm trying to use my old adapater now and dmesg shows "8812au: disagrees about version symbol module_layout"
4164 [22:26:15] <wpostma> both your wireless interfaces are external usb hot-plugged adaptors?
4165 [22:26:19] <darkhanb> ok thanks
4166 [22:26:20] <anonit> wpostma: yes
4167 [22:26:32] <shtrb> some old kernel and modules ?
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4169 [22:26:35] <wpostma> and you're on debian stretch?
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4171 [22:26:44] <teatime> anonit: have you done anything weird to your kernal or kernel modules?
4172 [22:26:55] <darkhanb> (separate question) so those /usr/local/{bin,sbin} binaries take higher precedence than /usr/{bin/sbin}, correct? and are /usr/local binaries are available for any user?
4173 [22:27:07] <teatime> darkhanb: echo $PATH
4174 [22:27:11] <teatime> see the order for yourself :)
4175 [22:27:16] <anonit> wpostma: I am on Debian 8 I believe
4176 [22:27:22] <wpostma> in my path, they do. :-) how about yours darkhanb.
4177 [22:27:37] <anonit> teatime: not that I can remember, and definitely not in the past month (how long its been since I've used the interface)
4178 [22:27:48] <darkhanb> "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games"
4179 [22:27:50] <teatime> yes, they're available for every user. you could mess w/ the permissions but it wouldn't make a lot of sense.
4180 [22:28:29] <wpostma> so on your path, darkhanb, it does indeed look like local is first, which I would expect for most people's systems who didn't change their $PATH
4181 [22:28:29] <darkhanb> got it, thanks for responses
4182 [22:28:42] <teatime> local is naturally first
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4186 [22:28:50] <anonit> teatime: I did do some weird stuff with nvidia but that was probably 9 months ago and I removed what I could, and I hav not touched that since
4187 [22:29:20] <wpostma> so on your path, darkhanb, it does indeed look like local is first, which I would expect for most people's systems who didn't chanthat's not how I thought NetworkManager was supposed to work.that's not how I thought NetworkManager was supposed to work.that's not how I thought NetworkManager was supposed to work.that's not how I thought NetworkManager was supposed to work.
4188 [22:29:28] <wpostma> ^ sorry mistake. ignore
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4191 [22:29:50] <darkhanb> lol
4192 [22:29:58] <alkisg> anonit: doesn't 8812au require manually (or dkms) compiled modules?
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4194 [22:30:06] <wpostma> was trying to kill my text input and instead pasted some history
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4197 [22:30:33] <anonit> alkisg: I think so? it's been so long since I installed and setup this machine
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4199 [22:30:57] <alkisg> anonit: last time I tried one of those, I had to use replaced-url
4200 [22:31:06] <alkisg> Which is the exact usb id?
4201 [22:31:12] <alkisg> lsusb will tell you...
4202 [22:31:18] <nmschulte> teatime: wpostma: after starting thermald (no reboot) and crunching primes: replaced-url
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4205 [22:31:44] <anonit> alkisg: looks like I have a local copy of the driver downloaded, must have installed it that wai
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4207 [22:32:03] <alkisg> anonit: right, and you probably need a newer copy now
4208 [22:32:08] <alkisg> With updates for newer kernels etc
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4210 [22:32:35] <alkisg> anonit: `modinfo rtl8812` may tell you more details about where you got it from etc
4211 [22:32:37] <anonit> alkisg: All it says is "ID 13b1:003f Linksys"
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4215 [22:33:19] <anonit> alkisg: hmm says I don't have that module
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4217 [22:33:26] <wpostma> @nmschulte: that's interesting. that sort of confirms my hypothesis that there's something in the BIOS/EFI that gets loaded into the intel AMT.
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4219 [22:33:35] <alkisg> anonit: it may be modinfo rtl8812au
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4221 [22:34:09] <anonit> it seems to just be 8812au
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4224 [22:34:25] <shtrb> nmschulte, I do not know if related but there are some reports from intel not to upgrade the recent patches ...
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4226 [22:34:49] <ryouma> that stuff freaks me out
4227 [22:34:57] <wpostma> yeah. avoid recent intel bios patches. ;-)
4228 [22:35:01] <shtrb> replaced-url
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4230 [22:35:23] <ryouma> no i just mean privacy stuff. i presume nothing debian can do about it.
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4232 [22:35:29] <hawken> :o
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4235 [22:36:23] <foul_owl> What's the canonical FOSS video conferencing tool for Debian?
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4238 [22:37:05] <shtrb> you nean the one used during debconf ?
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4241 [22:37:33] <foul_owl> Whichever one is good and works :)
4242 [22:37:43] <foul_owl> I am open to suggestion
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4246 [22:38:46] <wpostma> I have read good things about jit.si but haven't tried it
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4249 [22:39:03] <shtrb> oh , I thought you are asking about something like replaced-url
4250 [22:39:32] <shtrb> there was ring which was promising
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4253 [22:40:33] <alkisg> anonit: for example, this github repository does support the 13b1:003f chipset: replaced-url
4254 [22:40:44] <alkisg> anonit: you might want to use that one to get your wifi working
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4256 [22:40:53] <wpostma> I think the #1 most popular "skype but open source" would be ekiga
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4258 [22:41:06] <shtrb> is it still running ?
4259 [22:41:11] <anonit> alkisg: So not all 8812au repos will support all of them?
4260 [22:41:28] <shtrb> I used linphone but it's video quality was #%@%#
4261 [22:41:47] <alkisg> anonit: no; some of them only support a couple, some others give connection issues etc. I tried that ^ one with 3 cards and it worked fine for those
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4263 [22:42:15] <ryouma> do any of those work with skype?
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4266 [22:42:22] <marcosfermin> First time I hear about Ekiga
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4269 [22:42:44] <shtrb> ryouma, only against skype-sip gateway which will soon be close (if not already)
4270 [22:42:44] <anonit> alkisg: cool thanks. So how would I go about upgrading? Never manually upgraded a dkms before
4271 [22:42:56] <ryouma> i ahve somebody who might want to communicate via skype and i have no idea what to do to ensure security and privacy while doing so using linux
4272 [22:42:56] <alkisg> anonit: ubuntu also has a package, replaced-url
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4275 [22:43:28] <shtrb> ryouma, check the new peer to peer encryption or use text + otr on top of skype
4276 [22:43:39] <alkisg> anonit: either install the ubuntu .deb, or follow the replaced-url
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4279 [22:43:49] <shtrb> you can use pidgin + skypeweb (built from git) and otr package
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4281 [22:44:37] <ryouma> shtrb: i'm lost here, not sure what you are referring to, running real skype, using debian packages, replacing skype, etc.
4282 [22:44:49] <ryouma> shtrb: idk any of these things
4283 [22:44:50] <shtrb> All debian
4284 [22:44:52] <anonit> alkisg: I see the instructons for compiling but how would I go about upgrading after doing so?
4285 [22:45:22] <ryouma> so i install pidgin skypeweb otr and then just run them and my interlocutor can just run regular skype?
4286 [22:45:23] <wpostma> just tried it and ekiga's sip servers seem dead
4287 [22:45:25] <alkisg> anonit: you can remove your older package, I don't know what it is, you need to check your local sources for how to uninstall it
4288 [22:45:25] <shtrb> ryouma, pidgin and otr are debian packages the skypeweb is a plugin for skype (text only)
4289 [22:45:27] <ryouma> on windows
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4292 [22:45:42] <shtrb> ryouma, only text but yes
4293 [22:46:07] <shtrb> for techsupport for pidgin you can get support at #pidgin but installing is just apt-get install pidgin ..
4294 [22:46:11] <ryouma> ok so basically irc except 1 to 1 then
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4296 [22:46:46] <shtrb> and file transfer and the other side has no idea
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4298 [22:47:13] <shtrb> IF he does not have otr setup this will not encrypted and data will be stored at skype servers
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4302 [22:50:09] <TheMess> what are u guys talking about shtrb
4303 [22:50:11] <TheMess> lol
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4306 [22:50:40] <shtrb> TheMess, just about pidgin plugin
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4309 [22:51:02] <TheMess> what is pidgin plugin?
4310 [22:51:53] <foul_owl> Thank you! I'll look at ekiga!
4311 [22:52:03] <shtrb> TheMess, yes
4312 [22:52:07] <shtrb> skypeweb
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4315 [22:52:46] <TheMess> is anyone in here into Exploit Researching?
4316 [22:53:06] <greycat> we can make the next ban longer than 2 hours
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4318 [22:54:47] <anonit> alkisg: That got it working, thanks so much for your help :D
4319 [22:54:52] <alkisg> np
4320 [22:54:57] <shtrb> anonit, what was the solution ?
4321 [22:55:35] <alkisg> Compiling the module from a github repository, it's not mainlined in the kernel...
4322 [22:55:52] <anonit> shtrb: so I used my old adapter (which funnily is not natively supported by linux, yet the one that was having problems is supported) and I had to update the module
4323 [22:55:58] <anonit> and yes as he said I had to use a github repo
4324 [22:56:25] <shtrb> nice , thanks
4325 [22:56:28] <anonit> I guess when I updated my packages while I was using ethernet for a month the kernel got updated which made me need to update the wireless firmware
4326 [22:56:50] <anonit> Wish I could have figured out why the other one isn't working since Linux natively supports it but unfortunately I have work to doio
4327 [22:57:33] <wpostma> maybe you should update to latest debian and the latest stock kernel instead of repairing the old one
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4329 [22:58:08] <anonit> Yeah I should definitely do that soon I just need to find a weekend when I do that
4330 [22:58:14] <anonit> so I can migrate everything I have
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4333 [23:00:04] <wh0rd> woohoo! just convinced our director to introduce Linux as an alternative OS at our work place.
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4338 [23:02:18] <annadane> :)
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4342 [23:03:43] <shtrb> wh0rd, good job
4343 [23:03:48] <shtrb> if that helps your goals
4344 [23:03:54] <shtrb> but linux is no OS :D
4345 [23:04:13] <annadane> indeed, linux is a kernel
4346 [23:04:27] <annadane> what you want is a linux *distribution*, of which debian stable can be wholeheartedly recommended
4347 [23:04:33] <wigums> and a kernel is an os.... all the other shit is userland
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4349 [23:05:52] <wh0rd> GNU/Linux :P
4350 [23:06:00] <shtrb> That;s better :)
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4352 [23:06:13] <annadane> :(
4353 [23:06:29] <wigums> thats still Gnu userland and Linux OS
4354 [23:06:40] <wh0rd> This should reduce our cost and dependency on Mac products.
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4359 [23:07:14] <Thedarkb> What causes FIFO underruns?
4360 [23:07:22] <Thedarkb> I get them constantly on both my installs.
4361 [23:07:47] <ultrason> Hello all, I'm having problems building an Apache Ant project, when I attempt to build it, it spams java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError from junit/framework/JUnit4TestAdapterCache
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4364 [23:08:14] <ultrason> I notice I have both JUnit 3 and 4 installed (due to dependencies) and /usr/bin/junit points to JUnit 3
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4371 [23:10:29] <teatime> ultrason: do you wish to change that?
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4374 [23:11:27] <ultrason> If it stops the errors.
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4379 [23:13:17] <mkultramagnus> guys, what would cause this? replaced-url
4380 [23:13:44] <teatime> ultrason: couldn't help you there, but it may use the debian alternatives system to set up /usr/bin/junit , do `update-alternatives --query junit` to find out.
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4383 [23:14:31] <ultrason> No alternatives for junit
4384 [23:14:41] <teatime> ah, well it doesn't then.
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4386 [23:15:36] <teatime> mkultramagnus: try running ldconfig as root. otherwise, no idea.
4387 [23:15:47] <shtrb> mkultramagnus, did you play with preload ?
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4389 [23:16:24] <shtrb> and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
4390 [23:17:21] <ultrason> Neither showed anything
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4393 [23:20:14] <mkultramagnus> I don't think so
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4399 [23:23:06] <mkultramagnus> ldconfig didn't seem to do anything. It just exited instantly
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4404 [23:24:39] <teatime> in *nix command-line, no news is good news
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4428 [23:32:30] <mkultramagnus> Anybody
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4440 [23:36:37] <klys> mkultramagnus, hi
4441 [23:36:46] <mkultramagnus> Hello
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4448 [23:39:30] <klys> mkultramagnus, ldd /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
4449 [23:39:39] <klys> worked on my system
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4454 [23:41:13] <mkultramagnus> You had the same problem klys ?
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4460 [23:43:43] <mkultramagnus> replaced-url
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4482 [23:53:15] <Alina-malina> hey all how to add ssh legacy support to my openssh client?
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4492 [23:59:58] <teatime> define legacy support
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