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• 1[00:00:10] <rdg_> nix that. the machine booted. it just didn't make it into debian desktop environment
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• 4[00:00:20] <kale> Haxxa: i am on 100 and 199 respectivily, so i gather its not a percentage.
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• 65[00:06:47] <kokoman> why it installed me amd?
• 66[00:06:52] <kokoman> i dont have amd graphics or cpu
• 67[00:06:53] <kokoman> wtf..
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• 72[00:08:10] <snf_gh> because nvidia and intel are super cunts who spread aids and cancer ?
• 73[00:09:28] <kokoman> im still getting error
• 74[00:09:30] <kokoman> damn it
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• 76[00:09:49] <kokoman> and i also try to apt purge *rdp* and it didnt help
• 77[00:09:50] <kokoman> The following packages have unmet dependencies: remmina-plugin-gnome : Depends: remmina (= 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1) but 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
• 78[00:10:15] <kokoman> anyone know if it's solveable?
• 79[00:10:27] <annadane> try using aptitude, which you'll have to install first, probably
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• 81[00:10:33] <annadane> it has dependency resolution information
• 82[00:10:43] <kokoman> btw im using xfce
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• 84[00:10:58] <annadane> that shouldn't matter for packages
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• 89[00:12:42] <coruja> kokoman, and pls paste complete outputs of commands leading to errors
• 90[00:13:09] <kokoman> ok i got it work
• 91[00:13:14] <kokoman> now i cant connect to my remote host
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• 97[00:15:39] <Haxxa> intel has a write amplification bug causing extreme wearout on my 535 ssd and it needs new firmware - they have relesed tools for rhel and windows but not debian - can I still update my ssd firmware from debian?
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• 99[00:18:01] <phogg> Haxxa: I am not an expert on this, but probably. As long as there are no kernel differences between RHEL and Debian that their tool depends on it should in theory work the same.
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• 102[00:18:24] <kokoman> damned it work
• 103[00:18:24] <rdg_> it was a permissions issue... had to add myself to the vboxadd group
• 104[00:18:25] <kokoman> yay
• 105[00:18:28] <kokoman> finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaly
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• 107[00:18:31] <kale> Haxxa: if i remember correctly you could take a look at the alien package. it should help installing packages from foreign distros. usually a package can just be unzipped
• 108[00:18:32] <kokoman> good day every1
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• 113[00:20:58] <Haxxa> hmmm
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• 122[00:28:33] <epicmetal> What's the policy for updating buggy libraries in stable? There's a bug in Stretch's libinput10 1.6.3 which is apparently fixed in 1.9.0. What's the procedure for getting it into stable?
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• 124[00:28:46] <epicmetal> Or backported, even
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• 126[00:29:05] <epicmetal> replaced-url
• 127[00:29:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 129[00:29:59] <fasdfd> is it possible to log every command executed by root? an equivalent of sudo logging
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• 151[00:44:21] <gabboman_> Hi, I fucked up. In /var I made rm *
• 152[00:44:26] <gabboman_> how much did I fucked up?
• 153[00:44:37] <gabboman_> I mean, would a reboot fix my system?
• 154[00:45:31] <kale> gabboman_: if you did not do it recursively then its not that bad
• 155[00:45:52] <gabboman_> yes. Im a little bit scared to be honest
• 156[00:46:00] <kale> link lock to /run/lock and run to /run, thats about it
• 157[00:46:00] <gabboman_> Its a plesk, and mysql is fallen
• 158[00:46:32] <gabboman_> so two symlinks should fix the things I fucked up?
• 159[00:46:41] <kale> looks like it
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• 171[00:53:48] <gabboman_> kale thank
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• 174[00:54:02] <gabboman_> kale I owe you a beer
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• 178[00:54:57] <kale> np
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• 188[01:00:16] <gabboman> hey kale, I dont know if the message was sent on my other account bc my connection is shit. but thanks
• 189[01:00:29] <gabboman> I owe you a beer I guess
• 190[01:01:19] <kale> now thats two beers :-)
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• 192[01:03:42] <gabboman> I was thinking in making a reboot, but I guess that would have been lethal
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• 244[01:31:02] <mnuhmnuh> pray that init/kernel notices and recreates them correctly/recovers gracefully, or something.
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• 274[01:44:09] <bluzeo> hey guys im having trouble installing the newest debian iso to an usb. im mainly using ecther but the thing is. it gets install but after reboot and revmoved the usb. it telling me to put the usb back when i try to update??
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• 276[01:45:14] <kale> bluzeo: check your /etc/apt/sources.list and see if the usb is still there
• 277[01:45:29] <rant> bluzeo: then your problem is with your apt sources. I can give you a one-liner to fix it
• 278[01:45:40] <bluzeo> ok kale.
• 279[01:46:08] <bluzeo> ok rant? nice nick by the way
• 280[01:48:59] <rant> bluzeo: wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list "replaced-url
• 281[01:49:04] <mnuhmnuh> bluzeo: cp blah.iso /dev/sdN # where N == a-z?
• 282[01:49:04] <rant> bluzeo: that must be ran as root
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• 284[01:49:37] <bluzeo> k
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• 286[01:49:47] <rant> dpkg stretch sources is sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list "replaced-url
• 287[01:49:48] <dpkg> rant: okay
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• 290[01:50:48] <rant> bluzeo: thats the standard debian sources with all security, updates, sources, contrib and non-free repos
• 291[01:51:02] <bluzeo> k
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• 293[01:52:21] <rant> bluzeo: for simplicity sake you should keep that barebones in /etc/apt/sources.list and if you ever need to use some other repos for some reason put them in seperate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 295[01:52:55] <bluzeo> ok rant
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• 356[02:19:33] <rant> !stretch sources
• 357[02:19:33] <dpkg> it has been said that stretch sources is for the main sources list run this command _AS_ _ROOT_ _WITHOUT_ _QUOTES_ "wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list replaced-url
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• 359[02:20:12] <rant> I've uploaded 3 standard debian stretch sources.list files and placed them in this factorid for future ref.
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• 361[02:21:50] <themill> ugh, no
• 362[02:21:55] <rant> bad?
• 363[02:22:00] <themill> very
• 364[02:22:09] <rant> what is your thought?
• 365[02:22:20] <themill> wget as root, http resource and then it gets deleted randomly in the future
• 366[02:23:02] <rant> ah yes, well that is possible. or other resource error. the files are set to never expire.. but that doesnt rule out errors
• 367[02:23:20] <themill> paste.d.n expires things at random
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• 374[02:25:12] <rant> maybe I should just look and see whats on the wiki and update it as needed
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• 379[02:26:49] <rant> !stretch sources
• 380[02:26:49] <dpkg> i heard stretch sources is see replaced-url
• 381[02:26:53] <rant> themill: much better?
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• 384[02:28:13] <themill> Probably almost as good as the one that already existed.
• 385[02:28:19] <themill> !stretch sources.list
• 386[02:28:19] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 388[02:29:15] <rant> yeah.. I was trying to simplify it as the whole editing files and quoting stuff in factoids confuses some folk.. but the possible errors with that other approach are undeniable
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• 391[02:30:00] <rant> idk how this is still occuring because I just ran through the installer last week and it seems to be handling adding the web source fairly well now
• 392[02:31:11] <themill> The most common problem is people copying in random things from websites without understanding what they are doing or what is wrong with what they copied.
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• 395[02:31:55] <rant> well the wiki seems to explain it pretty well from what I see.. only gripe I have is it not mentioning backports and such.. but I suppose if I really cared I could login and put links to that
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• 399[02:34:12] <Smithe> which package in gnome handles the volume control instead of the old gnome-volume-control?
• 400[02:34:22] <Smithe> pulseaudio? Or what?
• 401[02:34:34] <rant> Smithe: yes pulse has pavucontrol
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• 403[02:34:48] <rant> as well as some other packages that handle volume
• 404[02:35:11] <Smithe> rant, I mean something that integrates directly in gnome
• 405[02:35:36] <Smithe> without being installed in separate ways
• 406[02:35:39] <rant> that I'm not certain of, I haven't used gnome in ages only MATE
• 407[02:35:49] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Which I do a ssh csims@myserver "env", I get this: replaced-url
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• 413[02:39:17] <themill> Smithe: isn't it within gnome-panel?
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• 415[02:40:40] <rant> in MATE / Gnome 2.x it was an applet that ran in the systray but this user apparently wants something different
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• 440[03:10:52] <themill> RandomGuyOnIrc: more likely the difference between a login shell and not. Putting environment variables / module load stuff in a wrapper script that calls the things that need it is much better than polluting your login shell with them
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• 444[03:12:24] <RandomGuyOnIrc> themill: thanks
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• 454[03:18:00] <teatime> RandomGuyOnIrc: there's a bunch of different ways/places you can setup env vars, that end up applying in slightly different circumstances, it's a big confusing mess tbh. themill's suggestion is one of the best. another good option, if you def. want env vars set for a specific user, is putting them in ~/.pam_environment
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• 457[03:20:07] <mnuhmnuh> rant: you use mate? have you got ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc to work?
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• 463[03:21:05] <mnuhmnuh> see replaced-url
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• 468[03:22:50] <mrr0butt_> is this a bash script?
• 469[03:23:04] <mnuhmnuh> they're never detected/notied by mate, so ~/Xclients never runs.
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• 471[03:23:12] <mnuhmnuh> three scripts.
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• 473[03:23:28] <mnuhmnuh> cat ~/.xsession ; echo " " ; cat ~/.xinitrc ; echo " " ; cat ~/Xclients
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• 483[03:25:22] <mnuhmnuh> sorry; hard to read.
• 484[03:25:27] <awal1> so, from man bash "Numeric values less than zero result in every command being saved on the history list (there is no limit)"
• 485[03:25:49] <awal1> less than zro
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• 488[03:26:46] <mnuhmnuh> for/in/by that option. yeah?
• 489[03:26:47] <awal1> should be any negative number?
• 490[03:27:02] <teatime> what is ~/XClients ?
• 491[03:27:04] <awal1> -1 , for example?
• 492[03:27:06] <mnuhmnuh> looks like.
• 493[03:27:11] <r00ts3c> Anyone hear about getting a reverse TCP connection by using a malicious debian package (debinject.py - deb injector/generator)?
• 494[03:27:43] <awal1> r00ts3c, wrong channel for such stuff
• 495[03:28:08] <r00ts3c> alright my bad
• 496[03:28:34] <awal1> dpkg tell r00ts3c about hack
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• 498[03:28:56] <awal1> dpkg: hacker
• 499[03:28:56] <dpkg> from memory, hacker is someone that hacks. See <hacking>, or an interesting essay can be found at replaced-url
• 500[03:29:26] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: homegrown, intended to be called by either .xinitrc or .xsession, whichever works.
• 501[03:29:53] <teatime> yar I see now, took me a second to figure out how to read the paste
• 502[03:30:18] <mnuhmnuh> yeah, fugly, sorry.
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• 505[03:31:11] <mrr0butt_> why not "tail -vn +1 ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc ~/Xclients" ?
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• 508[03:31:45] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: I want to say .xinitrc is only for startx, and .xsession is either only for choosing the "custom X session" option / custom thingy in /usr/share/xsessions, or just doesn't work currently / for most defined xsessions.
• 509[03:32:23] <teatime> quite rusty on it though. but I have had very similar annoyances, been meaning to get to the bottom of it.
• 510[03:32:42] <mnuhmnuh> maybe 21st century (gnome-ish (mate)) X ignores ~/.xsession & ~/.xinitrc, or am i missing how either are invoked these days?
• 511[03:33:07] <teatime> Does anyone have instructions for un-breaking Compose key on, like, all apps, for Debian 9? It's not just broken in Debian, but if I can fix it in at least Debian 9 I'll consider that a win.
• 512[03:33:26] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: I think you're not getting how they're invoked.
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• 514[03:33:51] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: but also, it's because they look like something that definitely should exist, but doesn't seem to. So it's understandable.
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• 516[03:34:29] <teatime> unless I'm actually just remembering wrong, the Xinitrc wiki page should mention that it's irrelevant if you're running a display manager.
• 517[03:34:39] <teatime> and replaced-url
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• 519[03:35:44] <mnuhmnuh> will dig in and study those. food for thought, thanks.
• 520[03:36:06] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: wiki claims .xsession will take effect as long as you pick "default session" in your DM. and of course .xsession must start a window manager.
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• 522[03:39:22] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: there's also .xsessionrc
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• 527[03:41:21] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: which iirc is the closest thing that actually exists to what we're both wanting (a script that always runs in addition to the selected x session, that you can run some clients from), but it's intended just for setting env vars, and iirc runs too early to easily use it to launch clients.
• 528[03:41:23] <mnuhmnuh> ah geez. .xsession might have worked, but not if it don't call a wm. and it's ...rc, btw. augh! complexity!?!? :-)
• 529[03:41:36] <teatime> .xsession and .xsessionrc are different
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• 532[03:42:41] <mnuhmnuh> thanks for the help, will test.
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• 539[03:46:32] <mnuhmnuh> i had this working fine when i was going w fvwm twm or fluxbox. gnome/21st century alternatives behave differently.
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• 544[03:49:43] <rant> mnuhmnuh: if you want to use .xsession or .xinitrc you need to either startx/xinit or choose default in the DM when you login, and set mate-session or such as the last (foreground) command
• 545[03:49:58] <rant> mnuhmnuh: either that or use the mate session manager in place of .xsession
• 546[03:50:08] <rant> as it also manages startup applications
• 547[03:50:36] <teatime> I just wish I could have my default startup stuff in a script, and still be able to try out random DEs from the DM drop-down menu.
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• 549[03:50:56] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: but yes rant just condensed my rambling into relevant truth.
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• 581[04:12:29] <rant> well that is doable
• 582[04:13:34] <rant> I was over simplifying in my condensation.. and what I said is true for any set of softwares.. but specific DMs have different options. Lightdm which is very common now should be able to accomodate you
• 583[04:14:41] <teatime> I dunno if it *is* do-able, I'd have to hack debian's xsession scripts, or configure every DE to run my script as part of its startup, which many simple window managers and stuff don't even do any session mgmt, so. and that would defeat the purpose. afaik, anyway.
• 584[04:14:47] <teatime> it does seem like something that would exist, though.
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• 586[04:15:51] <rant> session-wrapper is a script that runs on a session start, then there is also session-setup-script, but that runs as root
• 587[04:17:00] <rant> but this is also a short version.. there are more than a dozen settings in lightdm.conf that involve running scripts before/after greeter or sessions
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• 590[04:17:47] <rant> you can also just put chooswm in your .xsession and use "default" and let choosewm or such handle the rest
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• 593[04:18:31] <teatime> choosewm, you say... I can't check it out now, but I suspect you have just solved my long-standing desire.
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• 595[04:19:26] <teatime> I'll look at lightdm too; I mis-read at first and thought you were talking about a DE rather than a WM
• 596[04:19:31] <teatime> er DE instead of DM
• 597[04:19:46] <rant> well chooswm is basically just an app that displays a combo box of things to run.. it defaults to only showing wms but its configurable
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• 599[04:20:26] <teatime> hrm, I was hoping it sucked in /usr/share/xsessions
• 600[04:21:16] <Henry151> Hi #debian
• 601[04:21:17] <rant> idk what exactly it does.. I just use "default" in lightdm or use nodm on my machines and setup my session in .xsession
• 602[04:23:19] <Henry151> I have just installed debian 9 and am having an issue with a webpage not loading properly in firefox, i'm not sure what the issue is, i'm hoping one of you folks can point me in the right direction
• 603[04:23:36] <Henry151> I can load it on my other debian machine, also running firefox-esr
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• 605[04:23:50] <Henry151> but when i try to load it here i get this: replaced-url
• 606[04:23:54] <Henry151> the site is binance.com
• 607[04:24:39] <Henry151> I just reinstalled debian and i could swear i had this problem last week when i first installed debian on this machine, and i figured it out/fixed it, and then i forgot about it, and now that i've reinstalled i'm hitting it again
• 608[04:24:44] <awal1> not sure if .xinitrc and so is closed yet, teatime. basically xinitrc is read by startx only, .xsession is read by both startx and display managers
• 609[04:25:11] <awal1> btw, i use 'wdm', lighter than lightdm, and works great
• 610[04:25:12] <wigums> that a java issue not a debian issue Henry151. i only know this frm mining and trading myself
• 611[04:25:21] <Henry151> wigums: aha
• 612[04:25:22] <mnuhmnuh> rant: ah! yes, session mgr does need to be foreground, forgot, tx. testing ...
• 613[04:25:34] <Henry151> i need the right java plugin thing i guess
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• 615[04:26:33] <wigums> why they choose java to handle crypto is beyond me
• 616[04:27:06] <wigums> do you have a miner running?
• 617[04:27:23] <Henry151> i still can't figure it out though.. right next to me my other machine is running debian 9 with firefox-esr and icedtea and it is loading perfectly, here same config but not loading
• 618[04:27:27] <Henry151> :(
• 619[04:27:30] <Henry151> wigums: no miner
• 620[04:27:32] <Henry151> i trade
• 621[04:27:45] <wigums> hmmm
• 622[04:27:52] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: "I just wish I could have my default startup stuff in a script, and still be able to try out random ..." - exactly what i'm trying for; used to be possible!
• 623[04:28:26] <rant> well it doesnt NEED to be, its just not gonna work properly if its not.. the way .xsession works is its a script so everything needs to be bg for it to get to all commands and the last command is in the fg so that the script doesnt exit until that program closes.. which is why your WM or session-manager goes last so you can logout by exiting the WM or chosing logout via the session manager
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• 626[04:29:46] <Henry151> can i easily roll back to 52.3.0 from 52.5.2 ?
• 627[04:29:58] <wigums> sure
• 628[04:30:01] <Henry151> cause the old machine which is rendering the page correctly is running 52.3.0
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• 632[04:32:59] <rant> Henry151: I just loaded the page fine on Stretch i386, I was not able to reproduce your issue
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• 635[04:36:36] <wigums> rant, its not a debian issue tho. its a firefox/java issue
• 636[04:37:57] <Henry151> i'm fighting with it now
• 637[04:38:01] <Henry151> :/
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• 639[04:39:40] <rant> Henry151: if that were true it would be reproducible
• 640[04:39:47] <rant> wigums: ^rather
• 641[04:39:53] <wigums> sigh
• 642[04:39:59] <rant> more likely is a local config issue
• 643[04:42:25] <rant> I'm trying to post a screenshot but these damn pic pasting sites are unreliable :P
• 644[04:42:59] <rant> replaced-url
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• 646[04:44:06] <rant> if it were me, I'd try it as another fresh user and rule out local config such as plugins and such..
• 647[04:45:03] <rant> because this system was just installed a few days ago and all I use FF for is netflix, I use chromium for everything else.. so nothing was changed but the homepage to netflix.com, and the site loads fine
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• 705[05:30:10] <azzz> hi guys
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• 707[05:30:42] <azzz> i need help with tricky configuration of our domain host records .. a2hosting .. can you guys recommend a suitable channel for me to hit up?
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• 720[05:38:06] <rant> ##networking maybe
• 721[05:38:30] <azzz> k try there
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• 723[05:38:33] <azzz> thanks
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• 799[06:37:26] <hanasaki> How can I connect to a remote machine and get the gdm/kde/etc greeter so I can login
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• 818[06:47:44] <rant> thats a question without a good answer these days.. and really I've alwzys thought it was the wrong question.. remote logins should be remote and local ones local
• 819[06:48:27] <hanasaki> rant: pointis , I need to be able to get a remote gui on another box
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• 821[06:49:19] <rant> yeah, well there are countless ways to achieve this, few include the ability to login froma DM in the rpprocess
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• 824[06:50:41] <rant> you don't even need an X server installed to simple start a vnc session that can be logged into remotely, then there is also rdp, xdcmp, etc. I personally been using xpra lately but thats more for running a single program than the whole desktop
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• 828[06:54:04] <rant> much more information about use case would be required to consider all the options. In short though as I said doing a local login remotely is a bad idea.. complicated to configure, most resource intensive, second only to running a whole virtualized system, and it is a security concern exposing your local auth system to remote ccess
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• 960[09:19:00] <pragomer1> is there a lowlatency kernel in debian9 like in ubuntu-studio for audio recording? because I do not find any package with name "lowlaten"
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• 971[09:25:56] <pragomer1> ah its called "RT".. all good.. thank you
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• 995[09:42:16] <shtrb> Anyone with Raspberry pi 7" screen can say you can use this with Debian's ports ? (armel/hf)
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• 1018[10:06:27] <jaami> why my wifi keep disconnecting ?
• 1019[10:06:53] <jaami> every few seconds it disconnects
• 1020[10:07:31] <jaami> i think my debian is hacked
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• 1022[10:07:46] <shtrb> dmesg / var/log/syslog to paste.debian.net
• 1023[10:07:48] <jaami> is there any update that can check and fix any hacks?
• 1024[10:08:30] <shtrb> jaami, it's enough for your wifi regulatory setting to change to cause disconnects or working on 'N' when you should be working on 'G' mode
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• 1029[10:11:35] <jaami__> dmesg / var/log/syslog to paste.debian.net this command has error in it
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• 1034[10:13:06] <jaami__> what i should do now to fix the wifi problem?
• 1035[10:13:22] <jaami__> please giv e some hints
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• 1126[11:27:40] <Sveta> looking at replaced-url
• 1127[11:27:50] <Sveta> how do i list all packages that have this tag ?
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• 1136[11:32:50] <fasdfd> is it possible to log every command executed by root? an equivalent of sudo logging
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• 1141[11:35:50] <shtrb> ,v auditctl
• 1142[11:35:51] <judd> No package named 'auditctl' was found in amd64.
• 1143[11:35:55] <shtrb> ,v auditd
• 1144[11:35:57] <judd> Package: auditd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.7.18-1.1; jessie: 1:2.4-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.6.7-2; buster: 1:2.8.2-1; sid: 1:2.8.2-1
• 1145[11:36:07] <shtrb> fasdfd, ^
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• 1148[11:37:43] <fasdfd> shtrb, is there any point in using sudo for a one physical user machine if such package exists?
• 1149[11:38:09] <shtrb> yes
• 1150[11:38:22] <shtrb> fasdfd, less chances to do an error
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• 1153[11:40:13] <fasdfd> and that's all?
• 1154[11:40:31] <alkisg> Sveta: manpages.debian.org/debtags search <expression>
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• 1156[11:41:14] <alkisg> Sveta: or online in replaced-url
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• 1158[11:41:42] <shtrb> fasdfd, for me it is,maybe there other reasons
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• 1313[13:16:27] <Bushmaster> my debian root file system, the log folder has 4.0GiB of syslog.text file, hence cluttering up space. can i delete it?
• 1314[13:16:54] <shtrb> backup it to see why, and yes
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• 1317[13:17:03] <miceli> ciao a tutti
• 1318[13:17:04] <shtrb> 4GiB file is slightly big
• 1319[13:17:08] <miceli> !list
• 1320[13:17:08] <dpkg> miceli: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 1324[13:18:53] <Bushmaster> yes shtrb every after 2 weeks, log folder is fill up with these files message1.txt syslof.txt, user.txt and all of them are like over GiB for sure
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• 1326[13:19:33] <shtrb> I think you need to setup logrotate
• 1327[13:19:33] <Bushmaster> i must admit, i am running debian from external dock where the hard drive is slotted in and also i keep running my computer without shutting it off
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• 1329[13:19:48] <shtrb> !logrotate
• 1330[13:19:48] <dpkg> i heard logrotate is a log rotation program that sings
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• 1333[13:21:32] <Bushmaster> how do i do that?
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• 1335[13:21:40] <Bushmaster> I am not expert in these
• 1336[13:22:40] <shtrb> check if you have /etc/logrotate.conf
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• 1338[13:23:40] <shtrb> also /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
• 1339[13:24:09] <Bushmaster> how do I check these?
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• 1346[13:26:20] <shtrb> vim /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog for example
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• 1348[13:27:02] <liske1> exit
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• 1350[13:27:26] <Sansar> Good day, can someone advise me a pdf reader for debian? I do not need heavy edits, but just comments. Couldn't find any open source reader like that.
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• 1353[13:29:40] <shtrb> okular ?
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• 1355[13:30:54] <Sansar> shrtb: Thank you, gonna try that
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• 1358[13:31:59] <Bushmaster> shtrb, bushcat@Bushcat:~$ vim /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
• 1359[13:31:59] <Bushmaster> bash: vim: command not found
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• 1361[13:32:28] <shtrb> Bushmaster, choose your favorite editor
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• 1364[13:33:03] <shtrb> nano/pico/vi/whatever
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• 1369[13:34:55] <Bushmaster> none of them work shtrb
• 1370[13:34:57] <Bushmaster> bushcat@Bushcat:~$ bushcat@Bushcat:~$ gedit /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
• 1371[13:34:57] <Bushmaster> bash: bushcat@Bushcat:~$: command not found
• 1372[13:34:57] <Bushmaster> bushcat@Bushcat:~$ bushcat@Bushcat:~$ nano /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
• 1373[13:34:57] <Bushmaster> bash: bushcat@Bushcat:~$: command not found
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• 1377[13:35:37] <Bushmaster> shtrb,
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• 1379[13:36:29] <jrabe> well install one then
• 1380[13:36:33] <gpunk> Bushmaster what distro/DE are you using ?
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• 1383[13:37:17] <Bushmaster> gpunk, Debian, i dont know what desktop environment it is but it is good
• 1384[13:37:21] <themill> You've got to work pretty hard not to have nano installed in Debian
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• 1387[13:37:47] <gpunk> you got kate ?
• 1388[13:38:00] <themill> the copy+paste make it look like nano was never actually tried, however
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• 1390[13:38:10] <BCMM> Bushmaster: vim.tiny?
• 1391[13:38:18] <themill> «bushcat@Bushcat:~$: » is the command that was not found.
• 1392[13:38:25] <Bushmaster> gpunk, nano and kate are all there, when i type nano in console and press enter it goes straight their but that command does not work
• 1393[13:38:49] <Bushmaster> yes that command is not found BCMM
• 1394[13:39:08] <themill> Bushmaster: the command you pasted into the channel was completely wrong
• 1395[13:39:30] <gpunk> paste only from nano ...
• 1396[13:39:31] <Bushmaster> what is the right command then themill
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• 1398[13:39:43] <BCMM> Bushmaster: wait, `nano` on it's own opens nano, but `nano /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog` gives "command not found"?
• 1399[13:40:04] <Bushmaster> yes BCMM
• 1400[13:40:11] <themill> no
• 1401[13:40:25] <gpunk> bushcat@Bushcat:~$: is the command not found
• 1402[13:40:36] <themill> Bushmaster: I'd love it if you looked at what you wrote and considered what you've copy+pasted
• 1403[13:40:44] <BCMM> Bushmaster: are you trying it on the same shell, or are you testing in another terminal window or somesuch?
• 1404[13:40:45] <gpunk> Bushmaster paste only nano /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
• 1405[13:40:56] <BCMM> Bushmaster: wondering if maybe you've unset $PATH somehow
• 1406[13:41:16] <gpunk> no, he pasted bushcat@Bushcat:~$: that too
• 1407[13:41:18] <themill> BCMM: that's not it, Bushmaster is copying and pasting random crap
• 1408[13:41:26] <Bushmaster> oh yeah the last command worked
• 1409[13:41:57] <Bushmaster> BCMM, themill and gpunk the last command worked, i am in
• 1410[13:42:07] <gpunk> ok
• 1411[13:42:13] <Bushmaster> what i need to do now
• 1412[13:42:41] <BCMM> themill: oh right, sorry. only just parsed his messages correctly, he's been pasting his own shell prompt in to the shell???
• 1413[13:42:45] <Bushmaster> it has set of instructions in it, sounds way too technical
• 1414[13:43:33] <themill> BCMM: yeah
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• 1417[13:44:02] <Bushmaster> what you want me to do now
• 1418[13:45:43] <shtrb> change '7' to a lower number '4' in syslog section (to rotate every 4 days )
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• 1420[13:46:22] <Bushmaster> nothing rotated in the past,
• 1421[13:46:22] <shtrb> or you can add size XXXM for max size
• 1422[13:46:40] <shtrb> "size 100M" for maximum 100M
• 1423[13:47:10] <shtrb> sorry maxsize 100MM
• 1424[13:47:17] <shtrb> *100M
• 1425[13:47:22] <Bushmaster> i see rotate 7 in first line yes but do not see size
• 1426[13:47:44] <shtrb> you can add one for max size
• 1427[13:47:56] <shtrb> but you need to check why your syslog is so big
• 1428[13:48:16] <Bushmaster> i will leave for now, its way too technical
• 1429[13:48:36] <Bushmaster> thanks for all the help guys anyway
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• 1437[13:54:37] <BluesKaj> too technical to know which desktop you're using ? :-)
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• 1443[13:56:04] <Bushmaster> how do I find that out?
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• 1449[13:57:43] <gpunk> type konsole in your console
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• 1451[13:57:53] <gpunk> if it works you got kde
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• 1453[13:58:22] <gpunk> you said earlier that you got kate
• 1454[13:58:31] <gpunk> so i think you got kde ...
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• 1456[13:58:50] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you only need to add one line in that config file
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• 1458[13:59:13] <BluesKaj> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
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• 1460[13:59:34] <Bushmaster> oh yeah, i know its KDE yes
• 1461[13:59:46] <Bushmaster> i even have Konsole installed anyway
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• 1463[14:00:03] <BluesKaj> Bushmaster, good choice :-)
• 1464[14:00:07] <gpunk> ok use kate as you editor then
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• 1467[14:00:38] <Bushmaster> shtrb, what line ? if you give me the line, i will add it but if i make mistake, it may screw up the system hence i am scared okay
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• 1469[14:00:41] <shtrb> kdesu / kdesudo or something like that
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• 1472[14:01:09] <Bushmaster> oh no
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• 1474[14:01:10] <shtrb> maxsize XXXM# <- change XXXX to your favorite size
• 1475[14:01:29] <shtrb> but check your logs why they are so big (what fills it)
• 1476[14:01:44] <Bushmaster> i may need full consultation later, i need to go now okay
• 1477[14:02:05] <shtrb> have fun
• 1478[14:02:54] <Bushmaster> i do not know what fills in, all i know every after 5-6 days, messages1.txt and user.txt and syslog.txt become 1.5 to 4 GiB in size
• 1479[14:03:11] <Bushmaster> may be cos I keep running the machine with internet on all the time
• 1480[14:03:19] <shtrb> open it with less/or your favorite editor and check what repeats
• 1481[14:03:34] <shtrb> Bushmaster, open the file with less/ or an editor
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• 1483[14:03:58] <Bushmaster> i cant check anything, these are way too technical, i can copy and paste it through pastebin or something later when i return okay
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• 1488[14:06:29] <Bushmaster> I love Debian cos it allows me to work on set of software like R, R Commander, Python, SciLab, WxMaxima, Java, Lyx, TexMaker, Octave and many more
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• 1491[14:06:56] <Bushmaster> but when it comes to system learning, i know nothing
• 1492[14:07:18] <shtrb> !debian-administrator
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• 1496[14:07:51] <Bushmaster> i like to learn commands but its not easy, the books i got are even harder
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• 1498[14:08:15] <shtrb> dpkg debian-administrator is 'debian-administration.org is a debian administration web site, has lot's of nice stuff'
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• 1500[14:08:16] <dpkg> shtrb: okay
• 1501[14:08:34] <shtrb> Bushmaster, visit debian-administration.org , it has many usefull tools
• 1502[14:08:46] <Bushmaster> i never heard of it
• 1503[14:08:49] <shtrb> And that's debian specific
• 1504[14:08:51] <Bushmaster> i will visit it yes
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• 1506[14:09:15] <themill> that website is going away and is largely full of outdated info these days
• 1507[14:09:50] <shtrb> I think it has recent enough information (for today at least0
• 1508[14:09:55] <shtrb> not all , but some
• 1509[14:10:02] <Bushmaster> Debian is best operating system as far i see, i used Mint, Ubuntu, PCLinux, OpenSuse, Open Mandriva and many more in the past, they all have certain limitations of the software i always wanted, Debian does everything, its like Godfather of all
• 1510[14:10:10] <themill> its most useful stuff was a decade ago
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• 1512[14:10:21] <BluesKaj> Bushmaster, there are many websites with cli tutorials , google is your friend
• 1513[14:10:38] <Bushmaster> oh yeah
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• 1515[14:10:43] <Bushmaster> i need to go now okay
• 1516[14:10:51] <shtrb> themill, you make it sound as if the pre system50 info is no use today
• 1517[14:11:21] <BluesKaj> believe it or not :-)
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• 1520[14:11:38] <themill> shtrb: at the point where it tells you how to configure apache2.0 and php4, it's of little use
• 1521[14:11:40] <shtrb> yes, some information is outdated but you can extrapolate from it and to apply it with slight changes
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• 1523[14:12:21] <Bushmaster> yes i even set up apache server in debian, it worked 100% fine themill
• 1524[14:12:40] <Bushmaster> and process was easy, a kindergarten kid can do it
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• 1535[14:16:38] <BluesKaj> of beer and potato chips :-)
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• 1572[14:37:52] <jan6> hi, I installed debian from a livecd and it doesn't seem to have the repo keys, how'd I solve that?
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• 1574[14:38:33] <shtrb> apt-get install debian-keyring
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• 1577[14:39:58] <themill> (debian-archive-keyring)
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• 1579[14:40:17] <jan6> done
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• 1581[14:41:01] <jan6> doesn't seem to have any effect though
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• 1584[14:41:29] <jan6> (I installed them before, and have rebooted since, too)
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• 1586[14:42:17] <shtrb> apt-get update ?
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• 1588[14:42:34] <th6> apt
• 1589[14:42:46] <jan6> nope
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• 1591[14:42:58] <jan6> tried, but it fails to get pubkeys
• 1592[14:43:06] <th6> apt-get update
• 1593[14:43:18] <th6> hi
• 1594[14:43:31] <th6> where you from
• 1595[14:43:33] <jan6> apt-get update and apt update both have the exact same error
• 1596[14:43:42] <themill> jan6: perhaps you could pastebin the entire output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy"
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• 1598[14:44:28] <th6> apt-get update
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• 1604[14:45:16] <fasdfd> jan6, reinstall?
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• 1612[14:49:38] <jan6> apt-cache: replaced-url
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• 1614[14:50:37] <jan6> apt-get: replaced-url
• 1615[14:51:57] <metastable> I see sid.
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• 1618[14:52:10] <themill> jan6: and you just installed the debian-archive-keyring package?
• 1619[14:52:38] <jan6> I have a handful of packages that use unstable, about 5 or so
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• 1621[14:53:04] <jan6> I installed the keyring a bit earlier
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• 1624[14:53:17] <metastable> !frankendebian
• 1625[14:53:17] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 1627[14:53:34] <jan6> doesn't apply here
• 1628[14:53:40] <themill> jan6: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring"?
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• 1630[14:54:34] <jan6> replaced-url
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• 1632[14:55:21] <themill> jan6: and what's in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d ?
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• 1634[14:55:40] <shtrb> jan6, make sure you have one distro in /etc/apt/sources.list (remove everything other that stable ) and try again
• 1635[14:56:08] <themill> s/stable/stretch/
• 1636[14:56:11] <shtrb> or setup pinning for stretch to have the best priority
• 1637[14:56:13] <jan6> removing doesn't matter if it doesn't have the keys, it won't magically get them
• 1638[14:56:20] <jan6> I have, I think
• 1639[14:56:39] <shtrb> jan6, removing and then doing apt-get update and then installing the packages
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• 1641[14:57:28] <jan6> it won't change a thing if straight after install it was the problem
• 1642[14:57:45] <shtrb> and apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring -t=stable
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• 1644[14:58:10] <shtrb> jan6, you have unstable after a fresh install that is not normal
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• 1646[14:59:06] <jan6> did the apt-get reinstall from stable, which didn't change a thing, again
• 1647[14:59:15] <themill> jan6: and what's in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d ?
• 1648[14:59:30] <jan6> the unstable applies to only about 5 packages
• 1649[14:59:43] <metastable> That's still a frankendeb.
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• 1651[14:59:52] <alkisg> apt-key list | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1655[15:00:38] <jan6> replaced-url
• 1656[15:00:59] <alkisg> Is your date correct?
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• 1658[15:01:30] <jan6> date should be, set via network
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• 1661[15:02:05] <themill> worth double checking since apt-key clearly does know the relevant keys
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• 1664[15:02:32] <jan6> it is correct date
• 1665[15:03:37] <jan6> and for the contents of /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d is replaced-url
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• 1670[15:06:08] <CoderEurope> Can someone please put this in archive.org today ? thank--you !! | replaced-url
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• 1672[15:06:50] <shtrb> That's an odd spam
• 1673[15:08:17] <shtrb> searching for 8B48AD6246925553 mention wheezy
• 1674[15:09:13] <BluesKaj> is there an equivalent in debian plasma/kde like the root actions in dolphin services on kubuntu? it's difficult to read or even see files in root mode on a large monitor since font and icon sizes aren't permenently fixed from one session to another
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• 1677[15:09:57] <BluesKaj> size settings
• 1678[15:10:00] <jan6> I have no idea why jessie and wheezy keys are included, since I installed from a debian 9.3 cd
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• 1680[15:10:31] <shtrb> BluesKaj, are you asking about HiDPI settings ?
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• 1682[15:12:33] <BluesKaj> shtrb, yes, they apply in system settings in user mode once they're se , but not in reoot mode
• 1683[15:12:40] <BluesKaj> set
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• 1688[15:14:05] <jan6> so, your conclusion to my problem is that "it's a mystery, files are there, should be working"?
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• 1691[15:14:58] <shtrb> BluesKaj, There was the QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=xx workaround a while back
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• 1693[15:15:15] <themill> jan6: all the usual problems are absent
• 1694[15:15:35] <shtrb> I think there was a warning a while ago not to install from live cds
• 1695[15:15:40] <jan6> what are "the usual problems"?
• 1696[15:15:58] <themill> jan6: not having the d-a-k package, having deleted keys
• 1697[15:16:12] <shtrb> jan6, please just for the test , nuke frankendeb and have just one single repository (only debian ones all other should be removed)
• 1698[15:16:29] <jan6> also, I get no warnings since I don't follow news and there was no warning on any download page
• 1699[15:16:46] <shtrb> The warning was few weeks or months ago
• 1700[15:16:53] <themill> shtrb: ?
• 1701[15:17:16] <shtrb> someone warned not install from live cds and just use installation disk
• 1702[15:17:18] <themill> Installing from the live image can forget to install packages that you need but has nothing to do with this.
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• 1704[15:17:38] <shtrb> themill, yes
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• 1707[15:20:23] <shtrb> jan6, can you give me the link you used to download so I would redo the same test ?
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• 1709[15:21:18] <BluesKaj> used the netinstall image and guess most defaults were installed , but it's difficulr to know what's default on debian until one tries to find an app or option
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• 1711[15:21:49] <shtrb> BluesKaj, you can install the default plasma desktop
• 1712[15:21:53] <jan6> replaced-url
• 1713[15:22:07] <BluesKaj> shtrb, I did
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• 1720[15:23:09] <jan6> nonfree to support some thing that didn't work with standard one, wifi maybe, not sure as it showed up "unknown"
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• 1723[15:24:37] <shtrb> BluesKaj, just in case you can always also ask in debian-kde@oftc
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• 1726[15:29:53] <BluesKaj> shtrb, have you been there? only7 or 8 users there
• 1727[15:30:36] <BluesKaj> oftc ok, I'll check that out
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• 1738[15:36:14] <jan6> am I stuck on a broken system then (unless I reinstall)?
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• 1741[15:37:13] <shtrb> BluesKaj, thouse 8 people are the ones who setup plasma for debian they know many things
• 1742[15:37:20] <shtrb> jan6, still downloading the image
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• 1746[15:38:53] <shtrb> jan6, you use all default settings during installation ?
• 1747[15:39:02] <jan6> not sure
• 1748[15:39:31] <shtrb> I will only get the iso in ~30-40 minutes
• 1749[15:40:06] <jan6> language, and partition changed for sure, but don't remember other settings, did it last weekend or so
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• 1764[15:49:08] <jan6> also I don't have much time, maybe about an hour at most, after which I'll have to get back behind school's port block, for the rest of the week (they're smart, anything other than ports 22, 80, and 443 are blocked)
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• 1770[15:50:45] <wigums> tunnel through ssh
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• 1772[15:51:00] <shtrb> jan6, use pwnat or something like that if you can afford ssh / sshredirect
• 1773[15:51:25] <shtrb> sshredirect = sslh
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• 1807[16:07:03] <jan6> still downloading?
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• 1815[16:13:54] <shtrb> yes
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• 1817[16:14:13] <shtrb> done
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• 1824[16:23:33] <shtrb> so d-i just fails for me
• 1825[16:23:42] <shtrb> *when choosing from the boot menu
• 1826[16:24:37] <shtrb> with 7.5 base parttion
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• 1834[16:26:58] <jan6> d-i?
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• 1836[16:27:19] <shtrb> debian-installer (one of the last options)
• 1837[16:27:35] <shtrb> I'm now trying with the graphical install
• 1838[16:28:36] <jan6> I used the graphical one, so it'll look nicer
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• 1848[16:36:56] <jan6> any progress?
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• 1850[16:37:07] <shtrb> ok graphical seem to allow installation (configuring apt)
• 1851[16:38:52] <hiyosilver> Hello, I'm trying to activate iwlwifi4965 from hp 6710 wifi card into debian 9.3 livecd but wlan0 not show into iwconfig, i tried rfkill, put ucode into lib/firmware, look a bug.
• 1852[16:40:06] <hiyosilver> in lsmod look fine, iwlwifi 151552 0
• 1853[16:40:09] <hiyosilver> cfg80211 589824 4 iwlwifi,mac80211,iwl4965,iwlegacy
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• 1859[16:41:09] <shtrb> hiyosilver, is it listed with rfkill list
• 1860[16:41:25] <shtrb> jan6, installation finished now will try to login :)
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• 1862[16:41:34] <hiyosilver> yes, 1: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
• 1863[16:41:41] <hiyosilver> like not blocked
• 1864[16:42:32] <hiyosilver> i tried to up with ifconfig, nothing, iwconfig nothing :(
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• 1866[16:43:19] <hiyosilver> i have this into dmesg, 24.806285] iwl4965 0000:10:00.0: request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode' failed.
• 1867[16:43:38] <hiyosilver> but i think is from boot and not the drive i tried to use
• 1868[16:43:49] <shtrb> have you installed a package that provide that ?
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• 1871[16:44:17] <shtrb> jan6, after a clean install using the graphical there is no unstable resources there
• 1872[16:44:18] <hiyosilver> yes, i tried installing firmware-iwlwifi driver support from debian instruccionts
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• 1874[16:44:58] <hiyosilver> and i tried too to unpack ucode manually to /lib/firmware
• 1875[16:45:08] <jan6> no unstable, yes, but does apt update work?
• 1876[16:45:25] <shtrb> yes
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• 1879[16:46:05] <shtrb> I choose US , let apt use mirrors
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• 1881[16:46:17] <shtrb> did you manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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• 1884[16:47:40] <hiyosilver> ummmm, why not showing 4965 file into sudo modinfo iwlwifi | grep 4965
• 1885[16:47:50] <hiyosilver> i think is not properly charged
• 1886[16:48:31] <jan6> I eventually added the unstable lines, but otherwise no
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• 1888[16:49:34] <hiyosilver> jeje modprobe: FATAL: Module iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64
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• 1891[16:50:29] <shtrb> jan6, please remove unstable from there as I asked several times in the past
• 1892[16:50:32] <dvs> hiyosilver, are you using the nonfree live cd?
• 1893[16:50:37] <jan6> I did
• 1894[16:50:40] <shtrb> did you do apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1895[16:50:41] <shtrb> ?
• 1896[16:50:48] <jan6> commented out, not removed, but still
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• 1898[16:50:58] <dvs> jan6, uname -a
• 1899[16:51:01] <shtrb> did you install any package from unstable ?
• 1900[16:51:21] <jan6> Linux janThink 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1901[16:51:23] <hiyosilver> dvs not
• 1902[16:51:23] <jan6> yes
• 1903[16:51:27] <hiyosilver> i think
• 1904[16:51:35] <jan6> but it didn't work before I did either, as I said
• 1905[16:51:51] <shtrb> jan6, was it yes for a dist-upgrade or for some package installation ?
• 1906[16:51:53] <hiyosilver> modprobe: FATAL: Module iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64
• 1907[16:51:58] <hiyosilver> sorry not this
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• 1909[16:52:16] <hiyosilver> Linux debian 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3 (2017-12-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1910[16:52:20] <jan6> yes for a package, more precisely 5, regulated via priorities to prevent any others
• 1911[16:52:30] <hiyosilver> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.3 (stretch)
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• 1913[16:53:40] <hiyosilver> maybe i installed firmware-iwlwifi from #deb replaced-url
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• 1916[16:54:15] <shtrb> jan6, which packages ?
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• 1918[16:55:03] <jan6> haxe and neko, replaced-url
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• 1921[16:55:45] <dvs> hiyosilver, uh-oh, no meltdown/spectre protection.
• 1922[16:55:46] <jan6> and I've said several times that it was an issue before the unstable stuff too
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• 1926[16:57:43] <misty5> I'm not getting it (read a bunch of articles and stackexchanges now). What's the difference between DAC and MAC? Is it that DAC allows users to control access rights while MAC isn't?
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• 1932[17:01:05] <hiyosilver> ok, driver is charged from ucode file properly, and no error shows, but wlan0 not appear
• 1933[17:01:32] <hiyosilver> 23Jan 21 15:59:53 localhost NetworkManager[15065]: <info> [1516550393.8423] manager: kernel firmware directory '/lib/firmware' changed
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• 1935[17:01:35] <hiyosilver> Jan 21 16:00:35 localhost kernel: [ 5283.033682] Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux
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• 1940[17:03:34] <JyZyXEL> is there a simple way to get shell access during boot, before local root filesystem is mounted?
• 1941[17:03:45] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: ctrl-alt-f2
• 1942[17:03:51] <SirLagz> er
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• 1944[17:03:54] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: sorry read wrong
• 1945[17:04:02] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: single user mode maybe?
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• 1947[17:04:20] <hiyosilver> chroot to it with livecd
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• 1950[17:04:38] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: why do you need shell access before the root filesystem is mounted?
• 1951[17:04:48] <JyZyXEL> SirLagz: so i can snapshot it before it gets mounted
• 1952[17:04:50] <hiyosilver> good question xD
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• 1957[17:05:22] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: is this a VM? or do you mean LVM snapshot?
• 1958[17:05:32] <JyZyXEL> LVM snapshot
• 1959[17:05:32] <hiyosilver> JyZyXEL: use lvm
• 1960[17:05:50] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: I would boot from a livecd then.
• 1961[17:06:05] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: since without the root filesystem is mounted, you won't be able to access the lvm tools
• 1962[17:06:59] <JyZyXEL> SirLagz: initrd would contain the tool though
• 1963[17:07:08] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: not sure if it'd contain the tool for snapshots
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• 1966[17:09:47] <JyZyXEL> i thought it would contain full lvm2
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• 1969[17:10:51] <JyZyXEL> what about a systemd unit that exec's /bin/sh with Before=local-fs.target?
• 1970[17:11:13] <SirLagz> JyZyXEL: systemd is beyond me, sorry
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• 1974[17:12:27] <hiyosilver> hw showed: 10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
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• 1979[17:14:46] <kallenp> Please, may i ask for a example command for block IP address on INPUT for specified time ? For example I have this rule: iptables -I INPUT -s 192.168.1.100 -j DROP and I need to set expire for this rule after 1 hour / 3600s. Verry thanks. Petr
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• 1990[17:20:28] <hiyosilver> any idea to restart livecd without restart computer? i havent persistent usb and i want to reload driver without rebooting
• 1991[17:20:48] <hiyosilver> i restarted, udev, NetworkManager, networking :(
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• 1995[17:21:56] <alkisg> (06:03:34 μμ) JyZyXEL: is there a simple way to get shell access during boot, before local root filesystem is mounted? ==> break = mount, which breaks inside the initramfs right before root is mounted
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• 2008[17:28:01] <JyZyXEL> alkisg: how do you inject it?
• 2009[17:28:21] <JyZyXEL> with the actual break key? :P
• 2010[17:28:49] <alkisg> JyZyXEL: you press "e" in grub and you type break=mount in the kernel command line
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• 2012[17:29:07] <alkisg> There's also break=bottom, which is after the file system is mounted
• 2013[17:29:16] <alkisg> (before chrooting into it)
• 2014[17:30:20] <JyZyXEL> ah yes, from man initramfs-tools, very nice!
• 2015[17:30:52] <kallenp> Please, Can I ask for a example command for block IP address on INPUT for specified time ? For example I have this rule: iptables -I INPUT -s 192.168.1.100 -j DROP and I need to set expire for this rule after 1 hour / 3600s. Verry thanks. Petr
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• 2019[17:36:43] <hiyosilver> ok i remove debian and try with other distro, only for wifi driver :(
• 2020[17:36:56] <hiyosilver> i only need debian to install LFS, but i will use other
• 2021[17:37:00] <hiyosilver> thank u team!ª
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• 2033[17:45:56] <misty5> for how much longer will debian support 32 bit?
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• 2044[17:51:29] <n4dir> misty5: there are still release notes for the actual testing, i would assume at least that long can be taken for granted: replaced-url
• 2045[17:51:56] <n4dir> i didn't hear any rumors it would be dropped, btw.
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• 2067[18:01:56] <Bobbix> Hi, Please Help. The default user for phpmyadmin on debian 9 is "phpmyadmid" instead of "root" but it's not authorized to create db or do something, i want to have root privileges on phpmyadmin.
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• 2072[18:04:00] <rant> is there a way to make bash tab-complete files without examining their name/type? I.e. foo bar[tab] when bar.baz instead of bar.foo
• 2073[18:04:24] <rant> seems depending on the command you type in only wants to complete certain types of files
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• 2077[18:05:02] <rant> personally, I think its thinking above its paygrade :P
• 2078[18:06:02] <rant> actually nm, I'll ask in #bash :P
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• 2108[18:21:13] <brimonk> Does anyone know how to remove duplicate files in a directory?
• 2109[18:21:29] <brimonk> Like, remove 3/4 files that have the same checksum, that kind of a thing.
• 2110[18:21:42] <alkisg> rant: sometimes when it doesn't autocomplete properly, I type "cat" in front of the command, just to allow it to autocomplete properly, and then I remove "cat"
• 2111[18:22:29] <rant> alkisg: yeah as it turns out simply quoting the command makes it stop custom completion
• 2112[18:22:48] <alkisg> brimonk: manpages.debian.org/fdupes ?
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• 2115[18:25:26] <alkisg> `env command params` works too...
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• 2163[18:48:35] <jim> hi... is i915 the name of an x driver module?
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• 2170[18:51:17] <Bobbix> Anyone have succefully installed and configured phpmyadmin on debian 9 ???
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• 2175[18:52:52] <NetTerminalGene> jim, i think it is intel driver
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• 2177[18:53:15] <n4dir> i think so too.
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• 2187[18:56:05] <jim> is it for x? or for the virtual consoles?
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• 2210[19:07:28] <alkisg> jim, `man intel`
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• 2212[19:07:58] <alkisg> and `modinfo i915`
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• 2224[19:13:02] <apollo13> Bobbix: why would one wanna do that XD
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• 2245[19:24:57] <Bobbix> apoll13 ohave you understand my question? I've resolved, no more help needed. Thanks.
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• 2300[20:06:04] <jim> thanks
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• 2340[20:29:26] <Zelda> Hi. Is a LTS for Stretch planned when Buster is released as stable?
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• 2356[20:42:20] <atralheaven> Hello, I'm using debian stable, can I install firefox quantum (the latest version) on it, and get its updates without switching to unstable? thanks
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• 2363[20:46:24] <Shmam> Can someone tell me why this is not a valid env var? export: `ORANGEPI-ONE_IP=1234': not a valid identifier
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• 2370[20:47:46] <alkisg> Shmam: because of -
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• 2372[20:48:24] <Shmam> Can I use _?
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• 2374[20:48:52] <Shmam> it didn't work when I tried it as ORANGEPI_ONE_IP
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• 2376[20:49:05] <Shmam> so what should I use as separators?
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• 2378[20:49:37] <alkisg> ORANGEPI_ONE_IP=1234
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• 2397[20:55:21] <rant> Shmam: fwiw putting it in /etc/hosts will achieve the same thing and even allow multiple aliases for the same IP
• 2398[20:55:44] <Shmam> I need it for a node.js script that I'm making
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• 2400[20:56:01] <Shmam> that will ping different hosts to make sure that they are online
• 2401[20:56:15] * rant shrugs
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• 2410[21:00:45] <dfcnvt> When I open via [Win Key] and started typing 'draw' to expect to see the software that I installed, "Pinta". Pinta is the drawing software -- but after I typed "draw", it doesn't show up the Pinta but only other two different drawing apps. How do I add the attribution/tags to Pinta, ensuring it will show up after typed 'draw'?
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• 2413[21:01:39] <wigums> why dont you just type Pinta?
• 2414[21:02:29] * rant guesses this is some Gnome-shell or such crap.. cause my system has no such functionality
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• 2416[21:02:43] <dfcnvt> wigums: I can, but there's a good chance that if I don't use it for months later -- I wouldn't know the name 'pinta' but simply seach what I am looking for, "draw" or "sketch" or whatever it is that I am trying to reach to.
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• 2418[21:03:19] <wigums> well dont you think instead of remembering "draw" you could remember "pinta"?
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• 2420[21:03:42] <rant> the day I need to start searching for apps in my menu is the day I stop using a computer
• 2421[21:03:47] <Shmam> what desktop env are you using?
• 2422[21:03:49] <dfcnvt> wigums: I could. But I would like to know how to add the tags/attribution to the software.
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• 2425[21:04:36] <Shmam> KDE has a tool that lets you add and edit things in the application launcher. Not sure if others have this feature too but if ur using KDE, I can help you out
• 2426[21:04:47] <rant> dfcnvt: someone would first need to know what software you're talking about.. I been using debian for 15 years roughly and I've never seen any such feature of searching for apps in my f'n menu
• 2427[21:04:57] <dfcnvt> Shmam: I think this is gnome (default)
• 2428[21:04:57] <rant> I saw this on unity in ubuntu
• 2429[21:05:23] <dfcnvt> rant: I suppose, my routine of finding it differ.
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• 2431[21:05:55] <Shmam> Check this: replaced-url
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• 2433[21:06:10] <wigums> you still would have to set it to accept "draw" when what you want is Pinta... i dont understand why you cant remember pinta
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• 2435[21:06:45] <dfcnvt> Shmam: It's a start. Thanks
• 2436[21:07:55] <rant> I can't understand why anyone would want to search for apps on their system, but I'm not gonna argue about it.. heh.. I only have about a dozen or two apps I will use anyhow and they're already neatly sorted by category in the menu
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• 2438[21:08:42] <Shmam> the great thing about linux is that you can make it however you want :)
• 2439[21:09:00] <dfcnvt> It's a small thing, no biggie. I only ask a specific question -- is there a way to add attribution/tags to the application to make it searchable. That's it.
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• 2441[21:09:39] <wigums> dfcnvt, there are better ways to achieve your goal
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• 2443[21:09:43] <dfcnvt> I've always does the alternative, type down the specific application and there you go, you got what you need.
• 2444[21:09:48] <wigums> like typing Pinta
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• 2447[21:10:21] <dfcnvt> wigums: I'll just say that I have short term memory. Then we can focus on solutions. But Since Shmam already give me the link to solutions. I will figure out my way there.
• 2448[21:10:25] <rant> dfcnvt: the question is simple enough the problem is your inability to properly tell us what software you speak of and asking in the right place.. many of us here are long time users who don't use such interfaces.. which is why long ago seperate channels were made for seperate desktop environments
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• 2450[21:11:02] <dfcnvt> rant: I've already said the specific application, "Pinta" in my intital question.
• 2451[21:11:20] <rant> then the answer is simple.. no.. pinta has no way for you to make it searchable
• 2452[21:11:29] <wigums> its been stated 100 times... Pinta. he wants to type draw and have it run Pinta cuz pinta is too hard to remember
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• 2454[21:11:36] <dfcnvt> But it doesn't have to be that specific application, I could wish to add the attribution/tags to different software.
• 2455[21:11:39] <dfcnvt> lol
• 2456[21:11:47] <rant> that would be handled by whatever software is running the search.. i.e. the panel holding the menu
• 2457[21:11:57] <dfcnvt> Alright, guys. I think we're happy to make fun of my short term memory.
• 2458[21:12:01] <rant> we have probably 30 different panels in Debian all which work differently
• 2459[21:12:31] <dfcnvt> rant: Right, and through encouter question, I already stated that it is gnome.
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• 2461[21:12:42] <Shmam> Clearly they are a new user, asking questions like this are fine
• 2462[21:13:01] <Shmam> that's how you learn. by asking questions and people shouldn't be afraid to ask questions
• 2463[21:13:17] <wigums> dfcnvt, youd be better off asking in a gnome related channel since gnome isnt developed or maintained by debian
• 2464[21:13:51] <dfcnvt> wigums: Sure. Debian is just the first thing on my mind. So, I freely ask it here.
• 2465[21:14:14] <wigums> right. so now go ask where its appropriate for you to ask
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• 2610[22:35:13] <bhermon> W1ll1am43
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• 2614[22:36:32] <krytarik> bhermon: Changed your password yet?
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• 2631[22:43:45] <bhermon> krytarik: dont seem to need to do that...
• 2632[22:44:00] <bhermon> I turn it off when I'm not actively using it.
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• 2635[22:45:21] <krytarik> bhermon: I mean you just spilled your NickServ password into the channel when trying to identify.
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• 2638[22:45:34] <bhermon> oops
• 2639[22:46:02] <bhermon> I will need to read up on that...
• 2640[22:46:06] <krytarik> "/msg NickServ help set password"
• 2641[22:46:12] <bhermon> thx
• 2642[22:46:16] <krytarik> Sure.
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• 2644[22:47:30] <bhermon> krytarik:done
• 2645[22:47:37] <krytarik> Good good!
• 2646[22:48:05] <bhermon> sorry, I don't use IRC often, just when I'm stuck on some issue or other.'
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• 2649[22:49:16] <bhermon> trying to learn more about debian. I normally run fedora, and used to be HP-UX admin.
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• 2703[23:26:46] <jan6> hi, I just did a clean install, apt update was fine, used synaptic to enable the nonfree and stuff, and those don't seem to work properly, at first /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is unreadable by user _apt, and if I manually set the permission then it says the keys are missing, yet it claims debian-archive-keyring to be up-to-date and I also installed debian-keyring just-in-case, but no help
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• 2708[23:28:04] <metastable> jan6: You were here earlier asking for help with this, you also enabled sid in your sources.list.
• 2709[23:28:23] <jan6> pub by "just" I mean like a few minutes ago
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• 2711[23:28:35] <jan6> wiped the old install
• 2712[23:28:43] <metastable> Ah, fair enough.
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• 2721[23:32:28] <jan6> stretch-updates/InRelease and /stretch/updates/InRelease seem to be the problem, for now at least
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• 2724[23:33:13] <metastable> What media did you use for the install?
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• 2726[23:33:24] <jan6> that is if I don't chmod the trusted.gpg and unleash the cascade of missing keys
• 2727[23:33:32] <jan6> dvd
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• 2729[23:33:42] <jan6> this time the netinstall
• 2730[23:33:49] <metastable> Specific ISO filename?
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• 2732[23:34:36] <jan6> replaced-url
• 2733[23:34:57] <metastable> Pastebin your sources.list?
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• 2736[23:36:53] <jan6> replaced-url
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• 2738[23:37:37] <metastable> Have you tried a different server other than the ftp.ee ones?
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• 2740[23:37:42] <jan6> that stray # might be from me removing the install disk from sources using synaptic
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• 2755[23:43:43] <jan6> it's a bit weird why straight after installing things break
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• 2758[23:46:50] <jan6> I literally installed aptitude, sudo, update, no issues, enable every stable option (contrib, nonfree, sources, updates, backports, etc) so the only unchecked was the "proposed" option, and things are instantly broken...
• 2759[23:47:11] <jan6> via synaptic of course
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• 2766[23:49:06] <jan6> if you change the way stuff works, make sure it takes more than just 4 mouse clicks to break it, sure, I can use the "regular" sources, but broken things are still broken
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• 2769[23:50:07] <coruja> can you paste output of 'apt upgrade' (as root)?
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• 2774[23:51:48] <jan6> upgrade? it just wants to upgrade the kernel
• 2775[23:52:11] <coruja> sorry, i meant 'apt update'
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• 2778[23:53:16] <jan6> replaced-url
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• 2782[23:55:44] <jan6> if I try to import the key to synaptic it claims that it's corrupted
• 2783[23:55:56] <jan6> well, "not a gpg OR corrupted"
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• 2785[23:56:37] <coruja> it should work ootb, i never encountered this that soon after installation
• 2786[23:56:41] <jan6> and if I try for example "chmod 666 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg;apt update" as root, it throws a bunch of missing key errors
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• 2790[23:57:17] <themill> they should be root:root 0644
• 2791[23:57:40] <themill> (the only examples of this I've seen have been from synaptic)
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• 2793[23:58:57] <jan6> they are 600 (or -rw-------)
• 2794[23:59:04] <coruja> there is no /etc/apt/trusted.gpg in my stretch install, but a /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ with keys in it
• 2795[23:59:05] <themill> and that is incorrect
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